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Subject: Acidophilus?

From: "Alan Grossberg" <snowbird@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:23:38 -0400

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I know it's not an herb.....but does anyone know if acidophilus (capsules or tablets) can help soften bowels? Thanks.









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Subject: Re: Acidophilus?

From: "Camille E Kea" <CARBONATED.CHERRY.O@prodigy.net>

Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:32:34 -0700

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it can also help if you have skin conditions like acne, dandruff, exzema.

acidophilus aids in the digestion of foods and is great for travelers

especially.  i take two chewible doses daily from GNC.

Loralsl2 <loralsl2@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990502002058.08594.00000915@ng-fc1.aol.com...

> It can help if your problem is lack of good bacteria.    Loralsl2@aol.com









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Subject: Re: Dandelion

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 30 Apr 1999 22:28:44 GMT

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>How do I go about using these little yellow flowers (stems, roots, leaves)

>for

>liver cleansing????  Do I just eat the leaves as salad?  Do I dry the leaves

>and make a tea????  Do I use the root???  The flowers???



I would use the entire plant. I like to eat the flowers if hte bitter calyx has

been pinched off. The flowers are much higher in lecithin than soy, and

lecithin is good for the liver. The leaves I would also eat as a bitter to help

cleanse the liver. The root I never tried to chew, I normally use it as a

powder that I capsule up.





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Subject: Re: herbs to increase breastmilk?

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 30 Apr 1999 22:34:00 GMT

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>Blessed thistle, fenugreek seed, and Goat's Rue (Galega officinalis)



Just wanted to mention that goat's rue is hypoglycemic (drops blood sugar)

internally. So people prone to hypoglycemia or that are on diabetic drugs

should be careful with this one.

Fenugreek is also hypoglycemic, but I don't think it is near as strong as the

goat's rue.





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Subject: Re: herbs to increase breastmilk?

From: Pamela Love Black <pam@soapcrafters.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:32:00 -0700

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Massage a couple of drops of sweet fennel essential oil into the breasts

daily.



Or/ drink a beer.  (weird, but that's what I've been told by my always

pregnant sister.)



Pam

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Kayly S. Newcomer wrote:

> 

> Blessed thistle, fenugreek seed, and Goat's Rue (Galega officinalis)but I

> don't know dosages...anyone else?

> Kayly

> 

> Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

> news:37436d3d.11401085@uutiset.saunalahti.fi...

> > On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:19:23 -0600, oliverj@gtelco.net (J. Oliver) wrote

> in

> > alt.folklore.herbs:

> >

> > >Am looking for herbs to increase breastmilk in nursing mom...dosages as

> > >well, please.

> >

> > The olde standby is fennel seed tea. One teaspoon to 2 dl boiling water,

> let

> > steep 5-10 minutes, strain, drink. 1-3 cups a day.

> >

> > Cheers

> > Henriette

> >

> > --

> > hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

> >               -+- olde Eclectic tomes added Mar99 -+-

> > Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: herbs to increase breastmilk?

From: "marcus" <sales@tdinfo.com>

Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 01:26:04 +0800

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anise, pimpinella anisum

dill, aniethum graveolens



are used to increase breakmilk. of course, be careful!



marcus, sales@tdinfo.com











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Subject: Re: herbs to increase breastmilk?

From: P & J <pjerlandsen@world.com>

Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 02:30:03 GMT

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"J. Oliver" wrote:

> 

> Am looking for herbs to increase breastmilk in nursing mom...dosages as

> well, please.

> 

> Thanks in advance

>  



I used fennel with good results.  I do not like the taste so I used the

capsules.  I did try borage once and did regret it.  I was engorged for

a week.  borage is to be only used when a person wants to bring in the

milk.  I used a few leaves from my plants in a salad once.



J9





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Subject: Re: herbs to increase breastmilk?

From: loralsl2@aol.com (Loralsl2)

Date: 2 May 1999 04:39:21 GMT

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I have been in the alternative health business since I was 5...now I am 28 and

have 3 kids born at home totally natural....  The best thing that helped me was

Blessed Thistle and Marshmallow. Blessed Thistle helps with the quantity of

milk and Marshmallow helps with the quality(like 2% instead of whole

milk).........Loralsl2@aol.com





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Subject: Re: doesn't oxygenating => oxidation?

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 30 Apr 1999 22:46:46 GMT

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>I may be oversimplifying things here but lately I've been seeing a lot

>of hype about products which increase basic quality of life by

>"oxygenating" cells/ blood/organs.  My question is if a person who doesn't

>necessarily have a oxygen level problem takes these supplements then

>doesn't this lead to increased oxidation and ends up hurting their quality

>of life later on?

>



The free radical issue has been really overblown. The primary purpose of a free

radical is to destroy diseased cells and microbes which do not absorb

antioxidants. This is why our bodies form the free radical hydrogen peroxide.

The peroxide also activates white blood cell activity. So in a way free

radicals are necessary for our survival, and high doses of antioxidants can

actually interfere with immunity. Some oxygen therapies, like ozone therapy,

are self protective since they stimulate the production of the antioxidant

enzymes catalase, glutathione peroxidase, methionine peroxidase, and superoxide

dismutase. On the other hand there are "oxygen" products on the market which

are actually saltwater with a hypochlorite. The hypoochlorite in the presence

of water and organic material causes oxygen to be released from the water and

the oxygen gets absorbed in to the body. My concern is the chlorine since

chlorine can react with organic matter forming carcinogens. Chlorine is also

present in a lot of very powerful poisons. Since we do not know how these

products will react with any other substances that may be present, there is a

possibility that poisonous compounds could form from an interaction of the

hypochlorite with let's say medications. The reason I mention this is because

one company promoting their product was telling people that it was safe to take

with their medications.





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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: turpin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Turpin Rob)

Date: 30 Apr 1999 23:18:38 GMT

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In article <372918C1.86C870F2@bellsouth.net>,

Chris & Christine  <csquared@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes

>

>D. C.,

>

>Thanks for your reply.

>

>I'd like to encourage others to reply too!

>

>If I take a half dose of Ephedra, I fall asleep. If I take a full dose, I get

>drowsy at first but then stay quite awake all day or night, depending on when

>I take it. If I've had a lot of caffeine, which I don't often do, it makes my

>heart race. So, perhaps it does help me wake up, but what can we do to help

>relieve anxiety? I've noticed that Zantac seems to reduce worry...but that's

>not herbal.

>

>What's out there that is herbal which could

>be used with or without ephedra that doesn't

>zombify, yet reduces worry and clears the noggin?

>



I wouldn't look for an herbal remedy to reduce your worries and clear your

noggin.  That's your responsibility.  







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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Chris & Christine <csquared@bellsouth.net>

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 05:07:05 GMT

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Turpin Rob wrote:

> I wouldn't look for an herbal remedy to reduce your worries and clear your

> noggin.  That's your responsibility.



Turpin Rob,



Thank you for your reply.



I agree with you. I do most everything in my power to achieve the same. Please

remember that the subject is a cross post regarding attention deficit

disorder. I've tried most every avenue available that I know of to try and

avoid taking the very addictive and stupefying drug ritalin. I've been doing

Tai Chi for six years. I've been doing meditation for nearly twenty. I also do

some basic Yoga. These wonderful mind exercises do help with focus and worry.

Yet still, I'll be in the middle of a conversation and forget the topic... Or

change the topic... Often... This is not a good thing on a job interview. And

I'll worry about things that have little to do with me... I've bought tapes,

read books, talked with many knowledgeable people. But that does not stop the

front left part of my brain from sporadically falling asleep without my

control. In my understanding, when that happens another part of the brain (the

amygdala) runs unchecked, causing unfounded worry. So I agree with you that I

must take this into my own hands.



I suspect there may one day be a way of "reprogramming" the brain to stay

awake by some special learning method which as yet eludes to me. Until that

day, I am forced to either deal with the worry and lapses in coherence by

letting it continue to wreak havoc on my body and my social life, or I can

mask the problem with ritalin or something herbal. I fully understand the

implications that this is merely a masking of the problem. Until a true "cure"

is found, I'd like to try to function as normally as possible, but without the

harmful side effects of ritalin or other pharmaceuticals. So I guess I'll just

put it out there once again: What herbal remedies has anyone had experience

with that might be effective for Attention Deficit Disorder?



Any responses are greatly appreciated.



Regards,



Chris





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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: annbal9@thecia.net (Ann)

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 12:41:51 GMT

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Chris & Christine <csquared@bellsouth.net> expounded:



>I've tried most every avenue available that I know of to try and

>avoid taking the very addictive and stupefying drug ritalin.



So, were you intentionally being inflammatory, or have you never even

used Ritalin and have no idea of its effects?  Crossposting this into

ASAD is sure to get your fanny singed.



Ritalin is not stupifying.  Unless you are willing to offer proof of

that ridiculous statement, I'd suggest you take your crosspost back

into alt.folklore.herbs and stay there.  If, however, you are willing

to be educated, then hang around.  It's your choice.



-- 

Ann

Illegitimi non Carborundum

annbal*at*thecia*dot*net





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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: jpalmer1@ix.netcom.com (John Palmer)

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 15:56:50 GMT

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On Sat, 1 May 1999 09:44:44 -0400, "Janet Fine" <jfine@inforamp.net>

wrote:



>Why don't you all give the guy a break?

>Why are you all dissecting his post and attacking the ONE point that he made

>that you disagree with. Did you notice that he has tried many other

>disciplines and pills, but still is suffering? he man is looking for some

>help here, that's all.

>All he is looking for is some relief from his symptoms and some sharing with

>others of things that have helped.

>Why are you jumping down his throat just because he does not have good

>results with Ritalin or wants to try something else?



     He doesn't?  Hmmm.



>Chris & Christine wrote in message <372A8D62.F8B103C1@bellsouth.net>...

>>I've tried most every avenue available that I know of to try and

>>avoid taking the very addictive and stupefying drug ritalin.



    It sounds like he's arguing from ignorance, not from a lack of

good results with Ritalin.



     However, Ritalin is not "very addictive", and anyone who did the

first bit of learning about the subject would know this, and I don't

think it's "stupefying" unless "stupefying" means "has a mild

stimulant effect".  (You never can tell with these made up words,

equiblitix.)

--

Everything I needed to know in life I learned in Kindergarten.  Like: 

Once you pull the pin on Mr. Hand Grenade, he is no longer your friend.





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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: "Martin G. Diehl" <mdiehl@nac.net>

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 14:44:01 -0400

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Janet Fine wrote:

> 

> Why don't you all give the guy a break?

> Why are you all dissecting his post and attacking the ONE point 

> that he  made that you disagree with. 



Why?  Because we try to deal in facts here.  Facts based on double

blind, 

peer reviewed studies.  We tend to identify false statements and post 

corrections to them.  



> Did you notice that he has tried many other disciplines and pills, but 

> still is suffering? The man is looking for some help here, that's all.

> All he is looking for is some relief from his symptoms and some sharing 

> with others of things that have helped.

> Why are you jumping down his throat just because he does not have good

> results with Ritalin or wants to try something else?



I reread his most recent message.  Here is a partial quote: 



>> I've tried most every avenue available that I know of to try and

>> avoid taking the very addictive and stupefying drug ritalin. 



Since he has avoided Ritalin due to reasons that are not consistent 

with taking a medical dosage, the replies needed to address this issue.  



> Chris, if I could help I would, but I havent tried anything else that 

> really works.  I wish you good luck! Keep with the meditation and 

> Tai Chi.  That's half the battle.



While the meditation might be of some help at that time, medication 

might be need to improve concentration for the rest of the day.  



Exercise is another component that can help with the management of

ADHD.  



In addition, anything that builds a steady routine will also be

helpful.  



Medication such as Ritalin is important.  



Additional strategies are also needed.  



Hope this helps.  



-- 

Martin G. Diehl



I am what I am.  All opinions expressed within are strictly my own.





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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Chris & Christine <csquared@bellsouth.net>

Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 05:03:26 GMT

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Zula bean,



Before I reply, I'd like to remind any thread watchers that we are looking for

herbal alternatives for use with Attention Deficit Disorder and that the

thread has been cross posted from alt.support.attn-deficit to include

alt.folklore.herbs so that we can benefit from the knowledge of any herbalists

out there. We have discussed valerian, st. johnswort and ephedra so far. In

specific, I'm looking for herbs that I can buy in bulk to make my own

tinctures.



I've received several replies off the thread from people who have herbs to

sell. I want to thank them for addressing me outside of the thread and being

on topic in the email when they do. I've already contacted some of them and

hope to finish my replies to these sales people soon. This will be my last

post on this thread or in alt.support.attn-deficit. Please post any future

replies to my email address. Flames will be ignored, but those who genuinely

care will at some point receive a reply. You will notice the address is not spamblocked.



That said, Zula bean, I'd like to thank you for affording me the chance to clarify.



1. I recognize the validity of ADD. It is as valid as diabetes or astigmatism.



2. Neither ADD nor Diabetes currently has a _cure_. What I mean when I say

"cure" is "a long- or short-term process by which, when the process is

_finished_, the diabetes or ADD is _gone_ and no further intervention is

required. 



3. Like diabetes, ADD can at present only be kept under control through

intervention with various meds. The ADD is still there. It has not been cured.

It is simply being medicated on an on-going basis. There is nothing wrong with this.



4. But wouldn't it be great to just not _have to continue_ to take any meds?

Wouldn't that be a true _healing_? I wear glasses too. I'd like to wake up one

day and never have to wear glasses again. To wake up clear, focused and whole.



5. Here's a small story - please bare with me. If I go a doctor and say "Doc,

I get acid reflux when I eat pizza. What can I do?" The doctor will often say

"Take Zantac before you eat pizza and you should be fine." It's a little bit

like saying "Doc, when ever I pound on my stomach with a hammer, I get acid

reflux. What can I do?" Doctor says, "Put this pillow over your stomach before

you hammer and you should be fine." The doctor hasn't really addressed the

problem. He has only given the pizza-eater something to _mask_ the reaction.

But the reaction is a _valid reaction_. The body reacts for good reason.

Eating pizza is obviously the problem. A good doctor would say "Stop eating

pizza." (Stopping pounding the hammer.) However, if I were to go the same

doctor and say that _everything_ I eat causes acid reflux, it's different. The

doctor asks lots of questions and says "I don't know why you are getting acid

reflux. We probably need to do some lab tests. In the meanwhile, take this

zantac prior to eating." This is a good use of zantac. The problem exists. No

cure is in sight. Meds are used until a solution is found. This is sensible.

However, to my mind this is _still_ merely masking the situation and cannot be

viewed as a cure. And that's okay. It's like taking insulin or wearing glasses.



6. If the word "mask" is offensive, I apologize. It is my way of viewing

medicine: either something _cures_ or it _obscures_ the problem until a cure is

found. It in no way reflects the validity of the situation. I've taken this

approach out of years of spending thousands of dollars to deceptive

practioners. I'm not letting anyone fool me again. If it works, it cures.

Otherwise I refuse to let myself believe that a practitioner knows enough to

do more than mollify the situation. For now, it seems prevention is the best

cure for _preventable_ ailments. Who knows? Perhaps some day we may find a way

to prevent ADD, diabetes and astigmatism.



7. If I'm not mistaken, ritalin is a stimulant which, when taken in

combination with something like wellbutrin, can balance out the brain's

electrical impulses so that a person with ADD can function with a clear focus

and without unfounded worry. This is of course under ideal circumstances.

I know one person on ritalin who is super clear. Another person I knew very

well has since become a zombie. I see that it may be different for each

person. I suspect it's a combination of the right doctor and the right meds at

the right dose that makes it work. Otherwise, I'd rather deal with the

intestinal troubles and the anxiety.



These meds are expensive, and just like some of the _herbs_ mentioned above, they

can have wacky side effects. So I'm looking for other herbs that might have

been used successfully by others for ADD.



8. I suspect that it may be possible to retrain brain processes, much in the

same way that people who have had stroke re-educate another portion of their

brains to take over speech if the speech area is affected. I've had some

interesting results from a CD I bought called "Attention!" which literally

seems to tune me in to whatever task I have in front of me. (Stereo

entrainment method.) How far could it go? What exercises could we do to make

our brains better? The brain is an amazing thing, and I don't think even the

most enlightened of us use it to a tenth of its capability.



Please don't flame me. If your reply is remotely hostile, I will not respond.

What I need now is understanding and education. We all start with ignorance.

I'm doing my best to exorcise mine. Please be well.



Regards,



Chris



Zula bean wrote:

> 

> >the very addictive and stupefying drug ritalin.

> 

> If you truly need it, it's not addictive.

> 

> >I suspect there may one day be a way of "reprogramming" the brain to stay

> >awake by some special learning method which as yet eludes to me.

> 

> That'd be a really cool trick for you to do seeing that it would entail

> changing the way the neurotransmitters fire in your head. Bet you could make a

> lot of money off that.

> 

> >or I can

> >mask the problem with ritalin or something herbal. I fully understand the

> >implications that this is merely a masking of the problem. Until a true

> >"cure"

> >is found,

> 

> Chris, let me ask you something: When a diabetic takes insulin, is he *masking"

> a problem? And just what do you think Rit does?

> 

> I inject a numbing agent when I latch on.





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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Victoria Dragon <victoria_dragon@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 03:19:35 GMT

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> There's a number of people on the low-carb newsgroup with food intolerances,

> similiar to yours. Lots of good recipes and ideas, too. You might want to

check it

> out: alt.support.diet.low-carb

> Kate Coe



Thanks for the info. I've also forwarded the name of the group to a friend who

has a lot of the same intolerances as I do.



Victoria Dragon



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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: "Wubba" <skyward@frognet.net>

Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:24:34 -0400

--------



Victoria Dragon wrote in message <7godc3$h83$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>

>> There's a number of people on the low-carb newsgroup with food

intolerances,

>> similiar to yours. Lots of good recipes and ideas, too. You might want to

>check it

>> out: alt.support.diet.low-carb

>> Kate Coe

>

>Thanks for the info. I've also forwarded the name of the group to a friend

who

>has a lot of the same intolerances as I do.

******************

I follow that ng, (alt.support.diet.low-carb) and agree with the previous

poster.  I switched to a low carb diet in February, many of the troubles

that I had with food intolerances are now little to none!!  It is such a

relief!  And I've lost close to thirty pounds besides :o)

Wubba









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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Nick/Kate Coe <ncoe@pacbell.net>

Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 08:42:14 -0700

--------

Good for you!  That's  (low-carb) a newsgroup with pretty *wild* personalities,

too--see they don't all flock here. (except me, and I'm domesticted.)

Kate



Wubba wrote:



> Victoria Dragon wrote in message <7godc3$h83$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

> >

> >> There's a number of people on the low-carb newsgroup with food

> intolerances,

> >> similiar to yours. Lots of good recipes and ideas, too. You might want to

> >check it

> >> out: alt.support.diet.low-carb

> >> Kate Coe

> >

> >Thanks for the info. I've also forwarded the name of the group to a friend

> who

> >has a lot of the same intolerances as I do.

> ******************

> I follow that ng, (alt.support.diet.low-carb) and agree with the previous

> poster.  I switched to a low carb diet in February, many of the troubles

> that I had with food intolerances are now little to none!!  It is such a

> relief!  And I've lost close to thirty pounds besides :o)

> Wubba











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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Victoria Dragon <victoria_dragon@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:08:17 GMT

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> I am not yet diagnosed as ADHD(probably should be, but that is another

> thread :-).  I am, however, allergic.  An allergy is an *over*reaction to

> something that in most people would be otherwise harmless.  One of my

> triggers seems to be air pressure differentials- a strong cold front comes

> through, or a hurricane, and I get a severe sinus headache, complete with

> stuffiness, runny nose, the works.  Another is the dander of certain

> insects/animals.  Same overreaction.  Cold, damp weather and any aerobic

> exercise?  Asthma.  An overreaction to cool damp air, that would not even

> bother a normal person.



You may want to check out TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine)for some help. TCM

pays a lot of attention to weather/ environmental conditions as triggers for

medical conditions.



I'm one of those people who has found that different schools of healing work

better for different things and sometimes a combined approach works best.

There is no one school of healing - be it conventional, chiropractric,

Western herbalism, nutrition, etc., or TCM that has all the answers.

Different methods work better for different things, and sometimes a combined

approach works the best.



I'm not a trained TCM healer, just someone who got a lot of help from it, who

has done a lot of reading on it, and who knows the basics. The best thing

would be to see a trained TCM healer who knows how to do the pulse and tongue

diagnosis and do the TCM style questionnaire if there is such a person in the

area where you live. If there's not, you can still get some help by reading

up on some of the basics and proceding very, very cautiously. The best

introductory book I've found on TCM is Chinese Herbal Cures by Henry C. Lu.

The best website I've found for TCM herbalism is the Rocky Mountain Herbal

Institute website.



When Westerners first start reading about TCM, the terminology sounds very

strange because it is a very different approach to healing than conventional

medicine, and the Chinese use terms which are at the same time both more

poetic and more literal than those in Western conventional medicine. Also,

TCM syndromes rarely correspond to Western disease entities or medical

conditions. The common cold and most arthritis do, but the majority of things

do not.



One of the first things that a TCM healer considers is if the person (or

condition) is too Cold or too Hot. (English words that have special meanings

in TCM are captitalized.) Herbs are classified according to if they have

Cold, Cool, Neutral, Warm, or Hot energy. Very often, Warming herbs will be

used to treat Cold condtions and Cooling herbs to treat Hot conditions. In my

case I have an extreme sensitivity to cold weather and have problems

generating enough heat. (I do have a history of thyroid problems that

correspond to bouts of mono, but even when I'm in remission from mono and

thyroid function is normal, I still have a sensitivity to cold and generating

enough heat though it isn't as bad as when I have an active case of mono and

am hypothyroid.)



One of the things the TCM herbalist I saw recommended for me are warming

herbs. One of the warming herbs that helps me the most is ginger. That's

ginger like you can buy powdered in a jar in the spice section of just about

any supermarket in the U.S. I make ginger tea from it, an eighth of a

teaspoon or less in a cup of hot water. The tea made from boiling pieces of

ginger rhizome is stronger, but fresh ginger rhizome or dried pieces aren't

available in a lot of supermarkets. I have such a severe problem with cold

that I also add some gloves and cinnamon when I boil ginger rhizome. Other

herbs that have warming energy include basil and fennel seeds, (also

available in the supermarket spice section.) Cayenne is another good one for

me.



You may want to cautiosly try a little ginger tea and see if you get a

pick-me- up from it. It's contraindicated in Heat conditions (TCM) and when

there are stomach ulcers. Also, sometimes in TCM Heat can masquerade as Cold,

and vice versa, so that's why I said be cautious. If you are too Cold and

need warming,you'll know after the first few sips if this is something you

need.



What you're described in your post sounds like a sensitivity to Cold, Wind

(changes in air pressure), and Dampness. These are 3 of the environmental

energies considered in TCM.  The other 2 are Heat and Dryness. There are

herbs for eliminating Dampness and for transforming Dampness, but I don't

want to go into a lot of detail about this in this post because it's not as

simple to explain as the the concept of Hot and Cold conditions. There are

also herbs and acupressure methods for treating Wind conditions. One thing

that TCM healers look at when Wind (barometric changes) are a problem is

blood circulation. There are herbs, Western prescrption drugs, massage

techniques, chiropratric or DO adjustments, acupressure/ acupuncture points,

and both Western and Yoga exercies that can improve blood circulation.



One very good book for some basic acupressure points for various conditions is

Acupressure's Potent Points.  I forget the author's name, but if you local

library doesn't have a copy of it (or the Lu book), and you live in the U.S.,

the library can order a copy on interlibrary loan.  It's a free service.



There's some points in there that can help with sinus congestion and runny

noses and other things.  BTW, whenever there's barometric changes I get

stuffed up. I know which acupressure points, exercises, and herbs that help

me.



As for the asthma, you didn't mention if it's worse at night than during the

day and worse when you lie down than when you're sitting up. The answer to

this will point to some specific treatments.



As for asthma in general, the next time you've having slight problems

breathing, either check your back or have someone else check it for a sore

spot (s) over the spine in either the neck (cervical) or upper chest

(thoracic) area. (In a few cases a sore spot will be found further down the

back.) You check by applying gentle pressure over the spine along its length.

Obviously, if the breathing problems are severe you don't want to waste time

doing this but proceed immediately with conventional treatments. But if the

problem is mild, check for those sore spots. People who are asthmatic and who

are having problems breathing very often will have one of more sore spots

over the spine. Chiropractors or DOs can give an adjustment that helps

breathing, but a lot of people don't want to have their spines popped. I've

found that gently massaging the area which is sore until it's not sore will

help breathing. BTW, there's also an adjustment that chiropractors and DOs

can give that can clear a stuffy head instantly, but for people who don't

want to see a chiropractor, there are some exercises that can help that

problem.



Also, in the case of asthma, consider magnesium deficiency. I don't want to

go into too much detail in this post because it's already a long post, but

I'm available for further discussion. Briefly, Mg is needed to help muscles

to relax (sometimes tight muscles can be a factor in breathing difficulties)

and it dilates the air passages.  Note: Too much Mg can be fatal, so this

most definitely is not one of those if a little is good, a lot is even better

things. If you're on a calcium supplement or eat a lot of dairy, you might

want to consider switching to a Ca supplement that also contains Mg.



Some other advice. If you run into an alternative healer who tries to tell you

that you created your own illness and all you have to do is to think happy

thoughts, run, don't walk in the opposite direction. Also, if you encounter a

TCM healer who tries to tell you that you have to have a very expensive herb

that can only be obtained from China, run, don't walk in the opposite

direction. There's a number of herbs used in TCM that are easily available in

supermarkets and health food stores in the U.S.  There are some that can only

be obtained from overseas, but they're not terribly expensive. I also want to

point out that just like regular doctors, alternative healers and TCM healers

differ in their levels of competency. I was very fortunate in that the TCM

herbalist I saw is very competent. (I believe he gives guest lectures at this

state's medical school. This state's medical school has a dept. of alternative

medicine and runs an alternative medicine clinic.)



TCM is very, very careful about identifying root causes rather than just

treating symptoms. TCM recognizes that different individuals can have the

same symptoms, but the root causes can be different for each.  The correct

treatment for one may do nothing or even hurt another person with the same

symptoms. Western herbalists - at least the good ones - also recognize this

and won't recommend any one size fits all treatments. They - like the TCM

healers - will insist on knowing a lot of details. And if you run into

someone selling an herbal mixture that is supposed to cure everything, that's

definitely a time to run in the opposite direction. This is a quack, not a

competent herbalist or other alternative healer.



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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:33:13 GMT

--------

Ritalin, according to the Physicians Desk Reference is a powerful

amphetamine combined with a sedative.  Nobody, PDR says, knows why it

works.



Combine Skullcap with Ginkgo Biloba.



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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: annbal9@thecia.net (Ann)

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:17:05 GMT

--------

Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com> expounded:



>Ritalin, according to the Physicians Desk Reference is a powerful

>amphetamine combined with a sedative.  Nobody, PDR says, knows why it

>works.



Eh?  I don't think so.  There isn't a sedative in Ritalin.

Methylphenidate is the active ingredient in a Ritalin tab, along with

fillers.  I think your PDR is broken.



-- 

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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: rlb@intrinsix.ca (Lee)

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:20:52 -0500

--------

In article <374635cd.5426595@enews.newsguy.com>,

annbal9@thecia.net (Ann) wrote:



>Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com> expounded:

>

>>Ritalin, according to the Physicians Desk Reference is a powerful

>>amphetamine combined with a sedative.  Nobody, PDR says, knows why it

>>works.



Five lies in two sentences! A new world record!



>Eh?  I don't think so.  There isn't a sedative in Ritalin.

>Methylphenidate is the active ingredient in a Ritalin tab, along with

>fillers.  I think your PDR is broken.



LOL!



Lee









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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:41:31 -0700

--------

>

> >Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com> expounded:

> >

> >>Ritalin, according to the Physicians Desk Reference is a powerful

> >>amphetamine combined with a sedative.  Nobody, PDR says, knows why it

> >>works.

>

> Five lies in two sentences! A new world record!

>

> >Eh?  I don't think so.  There isn't a sedative in Ritalin.

> >Methylphenidate is the active ingredient in a Ritalin tab, along with

> >fillers.  I think your PDR is broken.

>



I believe that the misinterpretation came from the statement that ritalin

has an thusfar unexplained sedative effect even though it is a

noerpinepherine stimulant in the brain.

j o  s    h







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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Kevin@Quitt.net (Kevin D. Quitt)

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:09:44 GMT

--------

On Fri, 14 May 1999 00:41:31 -0700, Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com> wrote:

>I believe that the misinterpretation came from the statement that ritalin

>has an thusfar unexplained sedative effect even though it is a

>noerpinepherine stimulant in the brain.



Except it doesn't have a sedating effect; it activates the brain's 'control

center'.



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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:33:50 -0700

--------





"Kevin D. Quitt" wrote:



> On Fri, 14 May 1999 00:41:31 -0700, Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com> wrote:

> >I believe that the misinterpretation came from the statement that ritalin

> >has an thusfar unexplained sedative effect even though it is a

> >noerpinepherine stimulant in the brain.

>

> Except it doesn't have a sedating effect; it activates the brain's 'control

> center'.

>



It is not a sedative on a physiologic level, but it does seem to calm people who

take it.

j o  s    h







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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: rlb@intrinsix.ca (Lee)

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:29:46 -0500

--------

In article <373CCEFE.10A80B7@sprynet.com>,

Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com> wrote:



>"Kevin D. Quitt" wrote:

>

>>[on the purported sedative effect of Ritalin]

>>

>> Except it doesn't have a sedating effect; it activates the brain's 'control

>> center'.

>>

>

>It is not a sedative on a physiologic level, but it does seem to calm people who

>take it.



Others here know better than me, but that's never stopped me before. :) So

here goes...



a) It often has a calming effect on those with hyperactive ADHD, because it

"wakes up" the part of the brain that allows them to control impulsive

behaviour.



b) The very last thing that most inattentive ADHD "daydreamers" need is

calming, and it has no such effect on them.



c) It has a very un-calming effect on people without ADHD, because it

overstimulates brain systems that were not in need of stimulation. 



At least, that's what I've gleaned from reading. Anyone have information to

the contrary?



Lee









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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Kevin@Quitt.net (Kevin D. Quitt)

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 02:50:53 GMT

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On Fri, 14 May 1999 21:29:46 -0500, rlb@intrinsix.ca (Lee) wrote:

>c) It has a very un-calming effect on people without ADHD, because it

>overstimulates brain systems that were not in need of stimulation. 



Therapeutic doses also help non-ADD people with attention, but much less than

ADDers.





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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: "J. Clarke" <nospam@nospam.nospam>

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:37:26 -0400

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Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message

news:7hda4p$9ki$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Ritalin, according to the Physicians Desk Reference is a powerful

> amphetamine combined with a sedative.  Nobody, PDR says, knows why it

> works.



Which edition of the PDR contains this information?  Ritalin is neither an

amphetamine nor is it a sedative.  Care to support your assertion with a

quotation?



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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Kevin@Quitt.net (Kevin D. Quitt)

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:45:27 GMT

--------

On Thu, 13 May 1999 01:33:13 GMT, Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com> wrote:





>Ritalin, according to the Physicians Desk Reference is a powerful

>amphetamine combined with a sedative.



Would you like to tell me what year's PDR you are using, and what page you find

that comment on?  Because it's absolute bullshit.  I'll bet you $100 you can't

cite chapter and verse.





>  Nobody, PDR says, knows why it works.



So is this.  Exact details are not known, but the general mechanisms are.



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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: joe@cyber-mall.com (Joe Parsons)

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:49:42 -0700

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On Thu, 13 May 1999 01:33:13 GMT, Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com> wrote:



>Ritalin, according to the Physicians Desk Reference is a powerful

>amphetamine combined with a sedative.  Nobody, PDR says, knows why it

>works.



I'm scratching my head, wondering whether you're a liar or just

unbelievably ignorant.



>Combine Skullcap with Ginkgo Biloba.

>

>E-mail me and tell me what happens.

>

>

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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Anna Hayward <Anna@ratbag.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:55:22 +0100

--------

>Ritalin, according to the Physicians Desk Reference is a powerful

>amphetamine combined with a sedative.  Nobody, PDR says, knows why it

>works.



You haven't actually read it, have you? If the PDR did say such a thing,

I think someone should sue them for gross inaccuracy and

misrepresentation.



I feel bored because I've said it so often, but

   Ritalin is not an amphetamine

   If Ritalin was/contained a sedative, it wouldn't work

-- 

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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: George <george_of_the_jungle@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:17:41 GMT

--------

In article <7hda4p$9ki$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,

  Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

> Ritalin, according to the Physicians Desk Reference is a powerful

> amphetamine combined with a sedative.  Nobody, PDR says, knows why it

> works.



You must have gotten the PDR confused with your books on witchcraft.

The PDR says nothing of the sort.



>

> Combine Skullcap with Ginkgo Biloba.

>



Ginko is an ancient Chinese herbal medicine.  It has not been

scientifically shown to help with ADHD and it may have some undesirable

side effects depending on use.  Buyer beware, it has some real medicinal

properties.  As far as I know, God only knows about 'skullcap'.



You need to learn something about ADD before you start prescribing

witches brews for it. You might hurt yourself or turn into a toad.



> E-mail me and tell me what happens.



Enquiring minds want to know.  If any one is fool enough to try her

potions, please post your experiences here.





George





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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:52:42 GMT

--------

In article <7hfc13$qmm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,

  George <george_of_the_jungle@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

> In article <7hda4p$9ki$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,

>   Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

> > Ritalin, according to the Physicians Desk Reference is a powerful

> > amphetamine combined with a sedative.  Nobody, PDR says, knows why

it

> > works.

>

> You must have gotten the PDR confused with your books on witchcraft.

> The PDR says nothing of the sort.



Sorry, George, I did confuse it with another book, although it was not

a book on witchcraft.  I posted a retraction.





> > Combine Skullcap with Ginkgo Biloba.

> >

>

> Ginko is an ancient Chinese herbal medicine.  It has not been

> scientifically shown to help with ADHD and it may have some

undesirable

> side effects depending on use.  Buyer beware, it has some real

medicinal

> properties.  As far as I know, God only knows about 'skullcap'.



Yes, that's an appropriate expression.  God only knows about skullcap.





>

> You need to learn something about ADD before you start prescribing

> witches brews for it. You might hurt yourself or turn into a toad.

>



I'm not prescribing.  The question was did anyone have information about

herbal remedies that may help in ADD.  Many herbal remedies have a long

history of use through ancient times.  Perhaps my suggestion is

folklore.  I also suggest that you put a slice of onion on the ear of a

child with an ear infection, and you soak a foot with toenail fungus in

a garlic bath.  I suggest that you make a compress of horsetail and

calendula and goldenseal when you cut yourself.  These are old wives

tales.  Children have been hyperactive since the beginning of time.  Old

wives knew that.



I do indeed follow the religion of wicca, and I made no attempt to hide

my religion.  What religion are you, George?  Would it be relevant for

me to bring it up in this context?







> Enquiring minds want to know.  If any one is fool enough to try her

> potions, please post your experiences here.

>

> George





I would appreciate very much if anyone who had tried using Skullcap and

Ginkgo Biloba would post their experiences here.  That's why I posted it

and asked for a response.  Needless to say, however, herbs of the Earth

belong to Nature, not me.  They are not "my" potions.



They are Our Mother's.



--- Gem Faith Christopher









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To: George <george_of_the_jungle@my-dejanews.com>

Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:04:19 -0400

--------





George wrote:



> In article <373B5239.464C5947@pilot.infi.net>,

>   cnovak@pilot.infi.net wrote:

> > There are several herbs which may prove useful in dealing with ADD.

>

> What aspects of ADD are you trying to treat with these herbs?  Why did

> you chose these particular herbs? How do you control the dose so you do

> not overdose these herbs?



George, these herbs address several aspects of ADD. The herbs that my

classmate chose to use with her son were chosen for a number of reasons. One

prepares a dose according to the weight of the recipient. Most herbal

dosages are based on a 150 pound adult frame. A child weighing 50 lbs would

take 1/3 the recommended dosage.



>

>

> One

> > fellow herbalist and former herbal classmate found that she had good

> results

> > with her son using German chamomile tea (steeped 30 or more minutes

>

> Why would you want to steep the chamomile so long?



You steep the chamomile so long to gain its medicinal activitity. Chamomile

is a very soothing and supportive herb.



> , 2

> > teaspoons to eight ounces of hot water), skullcap,



Skullcap is a gentle nervine, supportive of the nervous system without

sedating it. It is calming without being sedating.



> gingko biloba



to help with capillary function, brain function



> and

> > Hypericum perforatum (aka St. John's wort).

> >



St. John's Wort is a restorative tonic for the nervous system as well as

being useful in some cases of depression. It may aid with the functioning of

damaged nerves.



>

> > She'd also cleaned up his diet of processed foods, dyes, sugars, etc.

> >

> > Cathy, Wise Weeds

> > http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/

> >

> >







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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Dave Knapp <dk@usa.net>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:23:11 GMT

--------

Catherine Novak wrote:

> 

> St. John's Wort is a restorative tonic for the nervous system as well as

> being useful in some cases of depression. It may aid with the functioning of

> damaged nerves.



And can do significant additional damage, too.  It is a powerful drug,

not a "restorative tonic."



  -- Dave





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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:37:57 -0700

--------





Dave Knapp wrote:



> Catherine Novak wrote:

> >

> > St. John's Wort is a restorative tonic for the nervous system as well as

> > being useful in some cases of depression. It may aid with the functioning of

> > damaged nerves.

>

> And can do significant additional damage, too.  It is a powerful drug,

> not a "restorative tonic."

>



I am afraid that I must disagree.  SJW is a gentle tonic with virtually no side

effect threshold (this is if using a fresh flower tincture.. I can't speak to that

standardized stuff). I have only heard of one instance of negative effect with the

tincture (photosensitivity). This was due to rediculously high doses being taken,

a fair complection, high altitude, sunny day, and lack of good judgement... j o

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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: rlb@intrinsix.ca (Lee)

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:29:47 -0500

--------

In article <373CCFF5.642B4AD4@sprynet.com>,

Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com> wrote:



>I am afraid that I must disagree.  SJW is a gentle tonic with virtually no side

>effect threshold



Doesn't "tonic" mean mild stimulant? Then why does St John's Wort make me

dopey and sleepy?



Lee









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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Dave Knapp <dk@usa.net>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 04:58:27 GMT

--------

Joshua Muscat wrote:

> 

> Dave Knapp wrote:

> > And can do significant additional damage, too.  It is a powerful drug,

> > not a "restorative tonic."

> >

> 

> I am afraid that I must disagree.  SJW is a gentle tonic with virtually 

> no side effect threshold (this is if using a fresh flower tincture.. I 

> can't speak to that standardized stuff).



Irresponsible posts like this are what make me leery of herbal

remedies.  If an herbal preparation is effective, then there will be

side effects.  Pretending there aren't is (a) dishonest, and (b)

dangerous.



IIRC, people have _died_ from St. John's Wort.



  -- Dave





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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Dave Knapp <dk@usa.net>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 05:15:50 GMT

--------

Dave Knapp wrote:

> 

> IIRC, people have _died_ from St. John's Wort.



Let me make this more concrete: I have a friend who nearly died as a

result of taking St. John's Wort.



So don't tell me the stuff is harmless.



Though it is far more harmless than the snakes who sell it.



  -- Dave





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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 05:59:07 GMT

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Well I am sorry then for taking us off topic. I want to learn about herbs

and most others here propably do also. I've only been studying it for thirty

years so please excuse me (BTW was a chemistry major in college).



A few facts seem to be ignored.

1) Herbs and drugs are two very different words with very different

meanings, although no one can argue that drugs can not be extracted from

herbs. If some people want to ignore the synergistic effects of some of the

various multiple chemical compunds that are included in the whole herb, that

is your right and I will respect it.



2) Herbs can be misused and so can water, etc. but you must ask your self

why this bothers you even though I may already know.



3) I take it for irrefutable fact that mankind is an animal (part of the

animal kingdom) with an advanced nervous system who can not survive nor

could he evolve the way she has without oxygen (from herbs), soil, sun

light, gravity, water, food, habitat, and medicine from nature. For my

fellow human beings to still insist in this "denial" of what appears to be

obvious speaks to the mental disease and arrogance of the time (which the

same mentality continues to perpetuate) Simply put we co-evolved with the

universe, solar system, mother earth, and mother nature over millions of

years and it was greatly due to our brother and sister allies -- our fellow

non-human living things. This is belief in co-evolution has been confirmed

from my own experience and seems to be held up by science as well.



But I can still respect you without requiring you to believe the way that I

believe, You are entitled to your right to believe the way you like and I

support it and respect it just like I expect that you will also respectfully

disagree with me.



If I believe that I can and do communicate with other species without the

use of words, that may not be your experience and you are rightfully

sceptical, but my belief does not really "threaten" you does it? Yes, even

infants communicate before they learn the words, and maybe some of us (I

know that I have) have become unnecessarily distracted from this modality

through artificial and alien belief systems and social conditioning that

will not withstand the test of time.



Sorry, let's get back to our love, which I suppose is the reason you are on

the conference in first place, i.e., the healing powers and usage of mother

nature's herbs? If this is not your purpose here, why are you here? I've

stated my unpopular position and my integrity toward it, so let's go on.

I've seen SJW do amazing healing work. Isn't that something! Nature's

chemistry laboratory is so intelligent and I have so many things to learn.

Don't we all?



Thank you all for sharing what you know and love!









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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:50:16 GMT

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Dave;



Truly sorry to have upset you. Didn't know this was being cross posted to

another newsgroup. I am in alt.folklore.herbs and this is where your posts

appeared. Herbs and nature having been a life long love of mine (and a great

personal healing aid) as well. Despite our considerable cultural differences

(and your childish verbal abuse), please try not to be further agitated or

stressed. It doesn't serve any one (nor your self). Thank you again for your

obvious concern and I hope that your problem finds its just resolve (without

my help for sure!).



Truly seek it with your heart and you will find it!



Don









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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:09:20 -0700

--------





Dave Knapp wrote:



> Dave Knapp wrote:

> >

> > IIRC, people have _died_ from St. John's Wort.

>

> Let me make this more concrete: I have a friend who nearly died as a

> result of taking St. John's Wort.

>



Please relay the story... j o  s    h







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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:15:56 -0700

--------





Dave Knapp wrote:



> Dave Knapp wrote:

> >

> > IIRC, people have _died_ from St. John's Wort.

>

> Let me make this more concrete: I have a friend who nearly died as a

> result of taking St. John's Wort.

>



Also, I would like to know what form of the plant was being used... j o

s    h







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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: hrbmoore@primenet.com (Michael Moore)

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:51:37 -0700

--------

In article <373CFEB2.8152D650@usa.net>, Dave Knapp <dk@usa.net> wrote:



> Joshua Muscat wrote:

> > 

> > Dave Knapp wrote:

> > > And can do significant additional damage, too.  It is a powerful drug,

> > > not a "restorative tonic."

> > >

> > 

> > I am afraid that I must disagree.  SJW is a gentle tonic with virtually 

> > no side effect threshold (this is if using a fresh flower tincture.. I 

> > can't speak to that standardized stuff).

> 

> Irresponsible posts like this are what make me leery of herbal

> remedies.  If an herbal preparation is effective, then there will be

> side effects.  Pretending there aren't is (a) dishonest, and (b)

> dangerous.

> 

> IIRC, people have _died_ from St. John's Wort.

> 

>   -- Dave



Please site your references re: death from consumption of Hypericum.



I feel that your reply is completely groundless, otherwise.



Further, the presumption that there MUST be side effects if an herbal

preparation is effective is a tired, pedantic, dare I say malaisical

rebuttal. Alternative therapeutics and nutrition abound with therapies

that, although effective, lack any iatrogenesis...so is standard practice

medicine, for that matter.



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@primenet.com)



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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: joe@cyber-mall.com (Joe Parsons)

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:26:47 -0700

--------

On Sat, 15 May 1999 00:55:47 GMT, "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

wrote:



>Dave,

>

>SJW is not a drug, but rather an herb. It, like water or any other "natural"



Don, I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but a substance that

is taken as a cure or palliative is a drug.  It doesn't matter whether it

happens to grow in your Aunt Hepzibah's garden or whether you get a scrip

from the doctor and go to the pharmacy.  St. John's Wort is a drug.  It

just happens to be one that does not require a prescription.



>thing, can be dangerous if used unwisely, but this has always been "our"



You're exactly right.  That's why many people prudently decline to put

their health in the hands of MLM salespeople, health food store clerks or

the next door neighbor's brother in law who considers himself an authority

on "herbs."



>situation as a co-evolving species. Some would like to outlaw anything

>potentially dangerous even to adults and/or even restrict "our" remaining

>rights to express our views utilizing the same scare rhetoric, "It's a

>dangerous drug".

>

>I'd like to say that SJW has been used for thousands of years by human

>beings and I would like to remind you to value this and not feed the

>hysteria that we need even more legislation and a bigger government to

>protect ourselves from ourselves, while not coincidentally feeding the

>pocketbooks of the pharmaceutical houses, chemical companies, insurance

>companies, and allopathic medical providers who contribute greatly to the

>over 10,000 iatrogenic allopathic medical deaths per year in the US alone.

>

>Is herbal usage (or specifically SJW) as dangerous as this? This is a place

>for discussion about the use of natural remedies and as such I wouldn't

>think that we should intimidate or scare anyone off. If you feel some one is

>acting "dangerously", then I certainly encourage you to share the

>information or your educated concerns that you have with us all without

>exhibiting intimidation tactics. Thank you.

>

>What is it that you "fear" in SJW or what is it about it that makes you feel

>threatened? If I'm off topic, I apologize.



And what is it that makes you think Dave Knapp "fears" this particular

substance or that he feels "threatened?"  The way it looks to me, he

simply made a statement of fact: that SJW can do significant damage and

that it is a powerful drug.



Joe Parsons



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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: Kevin@Quitt.net (Kevin D. Quitt)

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 02:57:38 GMT

--------

On Sat, 15 May 1999 00:55:47 GMT, "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net> wrote:

>...but this has always been "our"

>situation as a co-evolving species.



First of all, you have an extra article there.  Secondly, what makes you think

humans and ANY herbs are co-evolving?  They have little or no effect on our

survivability, and we have little or no effect on them.  The nonsensical idea

that we have co-evolved with these wonder herbs that are making drugs for us is

one of my favorites.  It shows a real lack of understanding of biology,

medicine, and evolution.



If there are drugs/chemicals in them that help us, is purely a coincidence and

based on nature's parsimony.  They don't make those chemicals for us; they make

them for themselves.  Those chemicals work as drugs for us because they are

similar is some way(s) to the chemicals we create within ourselves.  



Because they are virtually never the same chemical, they are less effective than

they might be, and are more likely to have deleterious effects than the ones we

produce.  Further, if the chemical isn't refined properly from the herb, it

comes with all sorts of *other* chemicals - and why take drugs you don't need?



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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: dmoisan@shore.net (David Moisan)

Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:34:39 GMT

--------

On Mon, 03 May 1999 04:55:32 GMT, Camden-Grey <aroma@bellsouth.net>

wrote:

>

>And Turpin Rob's reply is akin to telling someone with cancer or

>diabetes that the cancer or diabetes is their responsibility and not to

>look for any alternative means of treating or controlling it.  Chris did

>not create his ADD, he was born with it.  Get real and develop some

>compassion you two.



I don't think *anyone* has ever said to someone that their ADD or

other disorder or disease was "their fault".  Most of us, in fact,

have to fend off people from outside this NG who are INSISTENT that if

we do NOT treat ourselves with "alternative" medicine, or God or Good

Old Fashioned Discipline, then we are *at fault*.



Alternative medication for cancer or diabetes is a deadly joke.  If

anything, it demands even *more* "global responsibility" than regular

medicine;  at least if my neurotransmitters aren't working right, it's

a statement of fact and I am not to blame.  (I'm held responsible only

to deal with it.)  Whereas with holistic medicine, I must spend the

next 20 years learning how to be centered and if I get sick, too bad,

it's my fault deep down in my subconscious.



Take care,



Dave



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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies for ADD?

From: brownswan@aol.com (Brownswan)

Date: 6 May 1999 06:28:11 GMT

--------

I've read about and am now trying Pycnogenol.  L. Packer, Ph.D. wrote that one

of his patients with ADD likened the effects to "putting on a pair of

glasses.--Suddenly everything comes into focus.  It has given me clarity of

thought that I did not have before.'  use it with other therapies," he

suggests.

Of course, the flavinoids like ginko biloba are very helpful, he says, and I

agree.  Gotu kola...and there are the many antioxidants, especially in the form

of food, that help the brain immensely.  I  tried Ritalin and it did help help

me to focus to a degree.  However, I have to add, with Ritalin especially, be

careful to focus on the positive.  It does a wonderful job of excentuating the

worst frame of mind as I'm sure it does the most constructive.





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Insect Bites

From: "Lani Loring" <Your_login_here@wco.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:20:43 -0700

--------

I agree with Henriette to cleanse/support your liver with herbs & diet. I

have a similar problem with mosquitoes biting me & have found that taking a

mega Vitamin B complex (at least 50mg. of the basic ones) once a day helps

alot. I would suppose that whether or not the bugs find one attractive to

nibble on has to do with one's diet & what one "tastes like", although I

have not experimented with this. I have a relative who swears by a dab of

straight Clorox on the bite, but it's not particularly an antidote that I'd

try myself.









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To: J & J <jlr54@pipeline.com>

Subject: Re: Herbs for Insect Bites

From: Madronna Holden <holdenma@ucs.orst.edu>

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:40:27 -0700

--------

Plain old plantain is great.  Just chew it (yup) and plaster it on your

bite.  It's good inside and out.  







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Subject: Re: Herbs for Insect Bites

From: lurie@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Andrew J Lurie)

Date: 2 May 1999 05:36:28 GMT

--------



: > How about some Off or Cutter

  on that note, how about a thick coating of crude oil?

: The Chinese rate Tiger Balm (ie strong menthol/peppermint oil based

: ointment) for insect stings and I've had no worse results with this than

: any antihistamine creams. 

   on that note, try just peppermint oil. just a drop. theres also 

'whiteflower oil' which is a blend of oils similar, i think, to tiger 

balm. but its liquid. works great on headaches too.



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Subject: Re: Herbs for Insect Bites

From: illyanatvr@aol.com (IllyanaTvr)

Date: 6 May 1999 00:27:45 GMT

--------

Is there anything one can take/ eat/ wear to keep bugs from bitng in the first

place? I'm a smorgasbord for mosquitos and fleas.





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Insect Bites

From: "Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 21:52:07 -0400

--------

Good question! I know the only time I went without a mosquito bite, is when

I was really unhealthy.  I don't want to get sick again, just for them to

leave me alone!

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IllyanaTvr wrote in message

<19990505202745.19631.00002380@ng-cc1.aol.com>...

>Is there anything one can take/ eat/ wear to keep bugs from bitng in the

first

>place? I'm a smorgasbord for mosquitos and fleas.









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Subject: Re: Herbs for Insect Bites

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 6 May 1999 02:55:05 GMT

--------

I use yarrow tincure. I water it down a bit and put it in a spray bottle. Have

to spray now and then but it works. Also might suggest you stay away from sugar

in all forms, the bugs love it as much as some of us do.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Insect Bites

From: "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 03:35:03 GMT

--------

Firstly, I'd like to thank all the folks who took the time to share in

response to my post about insect bites. It is much better now. I found that

oil of myrrh seemed to help immensely. Internally I took plantain leaf tea,

milk thistle extract, gentian root, and yellow dock, and some B vitamins

(things I had easy access to). As I was suffering to such a degreem I

decided to "shotgun" the treatment so I do not know which treatments may

have been causal. I am now also taking some evening primrose oil, ginseng,

and vitamin E and feel very good.



I was not consuming any foods high in the vitamin B category, and I suspect

that in some cases especially flea bites where vitamin B1 is very effective

to repel fleas) that you may look at a possible increase in B vitamins as a

preventative. Secondly, I consume much fresh fruit and fruit juices and a

raw food vegan friend of mine is convinced that reduced sugar in the diet

(including sweet fruits) will also discourage the mosquitos. Topically, I

find that pennyroyal works better than citronella while others also like

eucalyptus as a repellant, but I feel that I still have much work to do with

"adjusting" my inner ecology so that if/when I do get bit, the "reaction" is

not so exagerated. Thank you all very much!



Don









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Subject: Re: Herbs for Insect Bites

From: Media Goddess <rduffey@indiana.edu>

Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 12:27:25 -0400

--------

IllyanaTvr wrote:

> 

> Is there anything one can take/ eat/ wear to keep bugs from bitng in the first

> place? I'm a smorgasbord for mosquitos and fleas.



I'm not sure if this works for people, but my mother always told me

that feeding garlic or garlic oil to the pets kept feas and ticks and

the like off of them, as they sweat it out through their pores, and

pests don't like the smell.



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Subject: Re: Herbs for Insect Bites

From: "kmurphy1" <kmurphy1@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:24:39 -0400

--------

Dogs don't sweat.  They regulate their body temperature through panting.

Vets have been recommending garlic as a flea repellent for years.  Also

eucalyptus oil.



For Humans - mosquite repellant:  my grandmother always fed us food laced

with lots of garlic and supplemented diet with brewers' yeast.  I live in

Florida and have very few insect bites.  (didn't have many dates, either)

:-)



regards

cedar

Media Goddess wrote in message <3733146A.960113E6@indiana.edu>...

>IllyanaTvr wrote:

>>

>> Is there anything one can take/ eat/ wear to keep bugs from bitng in the

first

>> place? I'm a smorgasbord for mosquitos and fleas.

>

>I'm not sure if this works for people, but my mother always told me

>that feeding garlic or garlic oil to the pets kept feas and ticks and

>the like off of them, as they sweat it out through their pores, and

>pests don't like the smell.

>

>--

>-Rae

>

>It's a little known fact, the Y1K problem caused the Dark Ages...













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Subject: Re: Green tea concentrate?

From: "Lani Loring" <Your_login_here@wco.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:21:56 -0700

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Celestial Seasonings makes a caffeine-free Green Tea.









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Subject: Re: anti-seizure drugs alternatives

From: donwiss@spamnot.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 00:35:28 GMT

--------

On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:49:19 -0700, "Jack Carr" <jcarr@sprint.ca> wrote:



>My son had a seizure over a year ago and nothing since. Various test are

>negative. He is on medication as a preventative measure but makes him tired

>and drowsy. Other drugs are available but possible side effects are a

>concern to him. Since he needs to drive and wants to be on the safe side, he

>uses the medication but would like to know of alternatives.

>

>Any suggestions in regards to alternatives to anti-seizure drugs?



I know of two alternatives to seizures. One is the ketogenic diet, which is

usually done under medical supervision. The other is gluten has been

implicated with some types of seizures. Generally these present with some

calcification in the brain. If gluten is involved then a gluten-free diet

stops them.



These two diets are not incompatible. And one can go on a low-carb diet,

like the people on the Atkins diet do, without medical supervision. And it

isn't too hard to make the Atkins diet also gluten-free. Personally I'm not

fond of Atkins as he pushes dairy and worse of all he pushes aspartame. Now

that again is another possibility. The anti-aspartame crowd blames it for

seizures. Does your son consume this chemical?



The diet I now believe in and follow is a Paleolithic diet. This is what

our ancestors ate for more than two million years, leading up to the major

diet change of the Neolithic era (the era of farming). This was only some

5,000 or so years ago, depending on where your ancestors are from, and even

less if Scotland, Northern Ireland or Scandinavia.



I feel this diet will be preventative against civilizatory, or Western

Diseases. Our ancestors didn't get any of the diseases that now plague us,

e.g. all autoimmune diseases, cancer, dementia, strokes, cholesterol

problems, heart problems, obesity, high blood pressure, arthritis,

osteoporosis, etc. Nor did these exist in any of the remaining

hunter/gatherer populations studied earlier in this century. And I would

consider seizures to be a disease of civilization.



I have always been a strong believer in evolution as the explanation of

things, and this is a logical next step. I do not see how creationism fits

in, and look to evolution and nature as controlling forces.



There is no carb counting or portion control, but one can make it low-carb

and put oneself into ketosis. Foods are either in or out. Our ancestors

ate: vegetables (esp green leafy ones), meat, fish, eggs, nuts, seeds,

berries, fruit, and roots. They also ate insects, which are high in

vitamins and proteins. They did not eat food chemicals (e.g. MSG,

aspartame, colorings, and preservatives), grains, dairy, most beans,

vegetable seed oils (olive is a fruit oil), refined sugar, vinegar,

peanuts, added salt, and foods that require technology to make them edible.

For more on this see:



  The Paleolithic Diet Page:   http://www.PaleoDiet.com/

  PaleoFood Recipe Collection: http://www.PaleoFood.com/



Don (donwiss at panix com).





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Subject: Re: anti-seizure drugs alternatives

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 06:36:03 GMT

--------

On Sat, 01 May 1999 00:35:28 GMT, donwiss@spamnot.com (Don Wiss) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I feel this diet will be preventative against civilizatory, or Western

>Diseases. Our ancestors didn't get any of the diseases that now plague us,

>e.g. all autoimmune diseases, cancer, dementia, strokes, cholesterol

>problems, heart problems, obesity, high blood pressure, arthritis,

>osteoporosis, etc. Nor did these exist in any of the remaining

>hunter/gatherer populations studied earlier in this century.



How do you know? You can't be all -that- old... and I seem to remember research

on old bones with both arthritis, osteoporosis and cancer.



I don't think cholesterol or heart problems or most autoimmune problems leave

much of a trace on the skeleton, which is all the archeologists have to work

with. Next, consider life span when you consider who got which diseases when.



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Subject: Re: anti-seizure drugs alternatives

From: donwiss@spamnot.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 00:46:19 GMT

--------

On Sat, 01 May 1999, hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress) wrote:



>On Sat, 01 May 1999 00:35:28 GMT, donwiss@spamnot.com (Don Wiss) wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>I feel this diet will be preventative against civilizatory, or Western

>>Diseases. Our ancestors didn't get any of the diseases that now plague us,

>>e.g. all autoimmune diseases, cancer, dementia, strokes, cholesterol

>>problems, heart problems, obesity, high blood pressure, arthritis,

>>osteoporosis, etc. Nor did these exist in any of the remaining

>>hunter/gatherer populations studied earlier in this century.

>

>How do you know? You can't be all -that- old... and I seem to remember research

>on old bones with both arthritis, osteoporosis and cancer.



Yes, but those are Neolithic people, or ones that have taken up farming and

started to eat grains. Paleolithic and Neolithic groups of people both

existed until earlier in the century and the paleo ones became civilized.

Actually there are some examples still left.



>I don't think cholesterol or heart problems or most autoimmune problems leave

>much of a trace on the skeleton, which is all the archeologists have to work

>with. Next, consider life span when you consider who got which diseases when.



The bit about our ancestors dying young is a myth. To put it short, age

estimates from human bones are very uncertain indeed above the age of 40.

Even a complete skeleton from someone who is supposed to have died at the

age of 50 could well have passed 80 years of age. 



1.   Arcini Caroline (1999). Health and disease in early Lund:

Osteo-pathologic studies of 3,305 individuals buried in the first cemetery

area of Lund 990-1536 [PhD Thesis].

2.   Isan, M. Y., Kennedy, K. A. R. (1989). Reconstruction of life from

the skeleton. New York, Wiley-Liss.

3.   Saunders, S. R. and M. A. Katzenberg (1992). Skeletal biology of past

peoples: research methods. New York, Wiley-Liss.



Staffan Lindeberg has made a health survey of people in the island Kitava <

http://www.paleodiet.com/lindeberg/ > and has an article in a Swedish book

where he has photos of a 92 year woman and a 100 year man who both look

like 70. There is also a 65 year old who looks like 50 in the face and less

than 40 in the body.



Don (donwiss at panix com).





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To: Jack Carr <jcarr@sprint.ca>

Subject: Re: anti-seizure drugs alternatives

From: Marcello Spinella <marshmallow@earthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 15:14:36 -0400

--------

Trading seizure medications for an herbal alternative is a tricky if not

dangerous thing. There are herbs with anti-seizure effects in animal

studies, like Kava.  But none of them have been tested in humans to see

if they really work for seizures, and stopping seizure medications can

sometimes precipitate seizures.  Anti-seizure meds may leave much to be

desired in terms of side effects, but they have the best research to

show that they actually work.



Another posting mentioned a ketogenic diet. This has some good research

to support it.





Marcello Spinella, Ph.D.







Jack Carr wrote:

> 

> My son had a seizure over a year ago and nothing since. Various test are

> negative. He is on medication as a preventative measure but makes him tired

> and drowsy. Other drugs are available but possible side effects are a

> concern to him. Since he needs to drive and wants to be on the safe side, he

> uses the medication but would like to know of alternatives.

> 

> Any suggestions in regards to alternatives to anti-seizure drugs?

> 

> TIA







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Subject: Re: anti-seizure drugs alternatives

From: gggmd2bee@aol.com (GGG MD2BEE)

Date: 2 May 1999 04:19:14 GMT

--------

Consider getting a second opinion from another neurologist.  If he has had only

one seizure, and his EEG, MRI, and neuro-exam are normal, he may be a candidate

for going off therapy.  At this point thats a better option than going herbal. 

I have seen an unsubstantiated report that Valerian root may have Gaba agonist

activity which is similar to anti-seizure medications, but I have not seen this

in the literature.  It also is a sleep agent and will not likely be less

sedating than what he is on.  If your son needs a medication, ask the

neurologist to try another.  There are several well tolerated meds out there

for seizures, but given the potential severity of having a seizure I would not

deviate from traditional medical care under the close supervision of a

neurologist on this one.  For more general supplemental med info, check out

supplementalmed.com. 





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Subject: Re: anti-seizure drugs alternatives

From: "Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 18:13:18 -0400

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Don Wiss wrote in message <373a4a7f.100493715@news.panix.com>...

Our ancestors didn't get any of the diseases that now plague us,

>e.g. all autoimmune diseases, cancer, dementia, strokes, cholesterol

>problems, heart problems, obesity, high blood pressure, arthritis,

>osteoporosis, etc. Nor did these exist in any of the remaining

>hunter/gatherer populations studied earlier in this century. And I would

>consider seizures to be a disease of civilization.



5000 years ago in the Bronze Age, it is thought that the average life

expectancy was about 20, by the Middle Ages about 30 years.



In the few years I have been studying these things, I know of very few

people under age twenty (in ratio to older people) who suffer from the

diseases you state as reasons for following your diet.



Also, you might want to consider that ancient peoples worked their bodies

much harder than we do for the sole purpose of survival.  A mere cold caught

from overexposure to the elements could kill them.  Moreover, some days,

finding food was an all day expedition.  Perhaps you might want to consider

combining exercise into your diet.  Climbing rocks and trees to escape a

very hungry wild animal, or outrunning a violent storm to the nearest cave

probably kept them on the go a bit.

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what direction we are moving."

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Subject: Re: anti-seizure drugs alternatives

From: donwiss@spamnot.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 00:58:13 GMT

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On Sun, 2 May 1999 18:13:18 -0400, "Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com> wrote:



>Don Wiss wrote in message <373a4a7f.100493715@news.panix.com>...

>Our ancestors didn't get any of the diseases that now plague us,

>>e.g. all autoimmune diseases, cancer, dementia, strokes, cholesterol

>>problems, heart problems, obesity, high blood pressure, arthritis,

>>osteoporosis, etc. Nor did these exist in any of the remaining

>>hunter/gatherer populations studied earlier in this century. And I would

>>consider seizures to be a disease of civilization.

>

>5000 years ago in the Bronze Age, it is thought that the average life

>expectancy was about 20, by the Middle Ages about 30 years.



First 5,000 years ago, depending on where you are, could be in the

Neolithic Age. Then a life expectancy of 20 makes no sense. At that age the

mother wouldn't have lived long enough to raise her kids, and the human

race would have become extinct. Then in the Middle Ages you are in the

Neolithic.



>In the few years I have been studying these things, I know of very few

>people under age twenty (in ratio to older people) who suffer from the

>diseases you state as reasons for following your diet.



How about juvenile rheumatic arthritis? How about juvenile diabetes? How

about asthma? How about celiac disease? These are all diseases of

civilization. Had they existed in the Paleolithic they would have died

before reproducing and that ill would have been selected out.



>Also, you might want to consider that ancient peoples worked their bodies

>much harder than we do for the sole purpose of survival. 



Actually not true. Studies of hunter/gatherers find they only have to work

30% of the time. When farming started they actually had to work harder. Of

course now with mechanization this is no longer true.



> A mere cold caught

>from overexposure to the elements could kill them.  Moreover, some days,

>finding food was an all day expedition. 



But only part of the tribe went out to hunt, and could get enough food for

all. Then others gathered, a not particularly strenuous activity.



> Perhaps you might want to consider

>combining exercise into your diet.  Climbing rocks and trees to escape a

>very hungry wild animal, or outrunning a violent storm to the nearest cave

>probably kept them on the go a bit.



No doubt, but I doubt there were many caves around to run to. How many

caves have you stumbled upon? 



There are many of us following a Paleolithic diet that also exercise. Also

there are many on a Neolithic diet that exercise and still drop dead from a

civilizatory disease. What was the name of the author of running books that

dropped dead?



Don (donwiss at panix com).





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Subject: Re: anti-seizure drugs alternatives

From: "Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:08:17 -0400

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Well, Don, if you're talking history we can speak the same language.



Believe it or not, most women didn't wait until age twenty to raise their

kids.  In fact, as late as the medieval era, there was no such thing as

"adolescence" in most of Europe's societies.  (For simplicity, I'll keep to

one continent, and time before the Renaissance.)  Before age seven, one was

considered a child/baby.  After seven (yes, seven!), a child was expected to

be self-sufficient.  In other words, one was considered an adult.



Most girls lost their virginity by ages we would now consider savage and

severe.  If the average girl reaches puberty by age 13, and she has a modest

"bearing rate" of one child every two to three years, she could have a

decently-sized family by age twenty for today's standards.



Furthermore, the fact that a woman could bear just one child, in ancient

times, raised her to a very high status within the community.  She was

looked upon as a goddess, because she created life from her own body, and

ensured another generation for the clan/tribe.



Sorry to have debunked one of your theories, but you might want to consider

studying ancient history a bit more.  It could only stand to serve you well,

no matter the outcome.



The rest of your arguments, I will leave to you.  <smiles>  Happy hunting!



--

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what direction we are moving."

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Don Wiss wrote in message <373af1e5.25653883@news.panix.com>...



>First 5,000 years ago, depending on where you are, could be in the

>Neolithic Age. Then a life expectancy of 20 makes no sense. At that age the

>mother wouldn't have lived long enough to raise her kids, and the human

>race would have become extinct. Then in the Middle Ages you are in the

>Neolithic.











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Subject: Re: Herbal Shampoo Question

From: <dennes@crl5.crl.compart> (octinomos)

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:28:09 -0700

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In article: <r0wV2.5685$rL4.1267107@news3.mia>,

"Loyd" <gobama84@bellsouth.net> wrote:



| You really need to check out info before you spread it as gospel. Go to

| http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa090998.htm then see if you

| are still confused about SLS.



I'm confused as hell. So 'sodium laureth sulfate' which is in my

herbal shampoo is totally harmless, but 'sodium lauryl sulfate'

which is in every tube of toothpaste that i have, and i've got

a few ayurvedic ones even, is found in industrial strength deter-

gents and is used to scrub floors and will cause cancer, or what?



                                                              --dennes

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tal Exercise of supernatural Contemplation, before the search of the knowl-

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Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: P & J <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 03:54:04 GMT

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Nick wrote:

> 

> Saw a nice fat comfrey plant going cheap so I snarfed it.

> 

> Can anyone suggest a disease that I could try and get which the comfrey

> might then be beneficial in treating?

>  



I had used mine for treating a friends burn.  She had a 6 inch long

second degree grease burn.  I made a mixture of comfrey and aloe.  She

was so excited that it did not even leave a scar.  I have also used it

for my Mother for a shallow cut on her thumb that was about 1/2 inch in

diameter.  She loved the results. Again not even a scar.



j9





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Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: loralsl2@aol.com (Loralsl2)

Date: 2 May 1999 04:32:20 GMT

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Well, Comfrey is a wonderful herb!!!!!! Good thing to try is on a sprained

ankle or other injury. Bruise the leaf then apply it to the injury. Works

really good!!!  Loralsl2@aol.com





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Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: "Michael Flynn" <michael@bayberry.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:40:28 +0100

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I used Comfrey for a friend's broken arm. we made a poultice and she drank

it as an infusion. The first night she used it, she had greater movement the

next day. apparently it speeds up the healing and heals it in about half the

normal time. She certainly was able to used her arm again very quickly and

she hardly used much of the comfrey. i made an infused cream for her as well

which rubbed on the area...so I think it all helped.I use the cream for sore

joints in the hands if I have been typing too much at work.



Jacqui









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Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: rosemarie <knots@mint.net>

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 01:29:33 GMT

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About five years ago, I had to have a knee operation during which I was

awake, but still shot up with pain killers. Got home later that day and

started to feel heartburn. I had a sense that the 3 or 4 different things I

had been shot up with was the cause. Thought some bland food would help, so I

had some plain white rice. More heartburn. A few sips of water and then a

bland cracker didn't help, actually, any food seemed to make it worse. Enough

time went by so that I actually was begining to feel hungry, but feared

anything I ate would contribute to the heartburn.



Then I remembered what I had read about comfrey root and that I had tinctured

some. So I placed two dropper-fulls of the tincture in a little water and

sipped it. Heartburn gone within ten minutes, and I could eat without

netgative repurcussions. I did not have to take another dose of the tincture

for that episode.



I have used comfrey tincture a couple of times subsequently, for heartburn,

and never have to take more than one dose.



-Rosemarie



In article <7gkqjt$hjg$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>,

  "Michael Flynn" <michael@bayberry.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> I used Comfrey for a friend's broken arm. we made a poultice and she drank

> it as an infusion. The first night she used it, she had greater movement the

> next day. apparently it speeds up the healing and heals it in about half the

> normal time. She certainly was able to used her arm again very quickly and

> she hardly used much of the comfrey. i made an infused cream for her as well

> which rubbed on the area...so I think it all helped.I use the cream for sore

> joints in the hands if I have been typing too much at work.

>

> Jacqui

>

>



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Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:03:22 -0700

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I fell last Sunday while on an herb walk and fractured my 2nd metatarsal in

my left foot. You bet I'm taking comfrey. Actually have some from HerbPharm

and am taking 1/2 a dropper 5-6 times a day.



Ingrid









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Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: <@mail.tds.net>

Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:29:02 -0400

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Rastapoodle wrote in message <37286a77.9033275@news.mia.bellsouth.net>...

>The interesting part will be to see if you have a male of female ginkgo.

The

>female's fruit smells likea cross between dog crap and rotten flesh. That's

why

>when cities purchase trees for streetscapes, they certify the sex of the

tree

>before purchase -- to avoid the messy, smelly female fruits.





In certain areas of Baltimore, Maryland I don't think they check because

they drop this little orange fruit that stinks like vomit.









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Subject: Celestial Seasonings?

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 00:27:48 -0500

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I have been wondering: I drink Celestial Seasonings tea because I just love

the whole thing that goes with it... the pretty pictures on the box, all the

cool sayings, the famous quotes, the web site, etc. OK I'm a consumer. It is

all very tasty though, and it really does help me relax. I love Tension

Tamer especially, and good old Peppermint. But can anyone tell me, does CS

tea really provide any *true* herbal benefits? Or is it all just a tasty

drink with pretty marketing? I never really see anyone talking about it

here.



Not that I'll stop drinking it, if it is... But I was wondering if I wanted

the benefits of raspberry tea, would I need to make my own, or could I "get

away with" the CS?



Hilary



(I really hope that was not an asinine question...)









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Subject: Re: Celestial Seasonings?

From: "Alan Grossberg" <snowbird@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 13:26:37 -0400

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Hilary <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com> wrote in message news:7ge2nm$2cqh@enews1.newsguy.com...



> I have been wondering: I drink Celestial Seasonings tea because I just love

> the whole thing that goes with it... the pretty pictures on the box, all the

> cool sayings, the famous quotes, the web site, etc. OK I'm a consumer. It is

> all very tasty though, and it really does help me relax. I love Tension

> Tamer especially, and good old Peppermint. But can anyone tell me, does CS

> tea really provide any *true* herbal benefits? Or is it all just a tasty

> drink with pretty marketing? I never really see anyone talking about it

> here.

>

> Not that I'll stop drinking it, if it is... But I was wondering if I wanted

> the benefits of raspberry tea, would I need to make my own, or could I "get

> away with" the CS?

>

> Hilary

>

> (I really hope that was not an asinine question...)





I've used their teas quite a bit since they first started in 1973 and always enjoyed them. As for true herbal

benefits.....I've always found that some herbal teas work better than others, regardless of brand name. For example, I've

never found teas for relaxation/sleep to be effective, or not nearly as effective as tablets or tinctures. But if you ever

need to "clean yourself out".....senna tea is an experience you'll never forget.

Lately I've switched to other brands for two reasons.....1) unlike Celestial, many other companies individually wrap their

teas in foil packets which keep it fresher longer. I've never used a box of CS fast enough before the bags lose their

potency, even if I keep them in some sort of sealed container.......2) very few CS teas use organic ingredients.









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Subject: Re: Celestial Seasonings?

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 2 May 1999 03:42:46 GMT

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A hot cuppa herbal tea that tastes good is probably as therapeutic as a cup of

awful-tasting medicinal tea, from the point of view of relaxation. Enjoy. Nex





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Subject: Re: Celestial Seasonings?

From: lurie@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Andrew J Lurie)

Date: 2 May 1999 05:30:54 GMT

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    considering that you could buy, say, 10 times as much peppermint (and 

organic, at that) for the price as comes in the landfill-bound overpriced 

container of CS< i would say to you that you should just get a big jar of 

peppermint. i imagine tension tamer is a blend, valerian or chamomile or 

lavender, and this too could be bought cheaper. get reusable canvas bags 

or a coffee press or just some cheesecloth (boil water w/herbs in it for 

higherr extraction, then pour through cheesecloth). why get ripped off 

and recieve lower quality, eh?





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Subject: Re: Celestial Seasonings?

From: "Marvin L. Zinn" <marvinlzinn@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:42:12 EDT

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Hilary,



In article <7ge2nm$2cqh@enews1.newsguy.com>, Hilary wrote:

> Or is it all just a tasty

> drink with pretty marketing?

>

   If it makes you happy, who cares? <g>

   

                       marvinlzinn







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Subject: Re: Celestial Seasonings?

From: "Karen" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 12:24:30 -0500

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Had some green tea with ginseng and lemon by CS last night at a friends

house, it was delicious :-) and is a healthier choice than coffee so that is

at least two benefits :-)

Karen Shelton

AltNature Online Herbal and Photo Gallery

http://www.altnature.com

Marvin L. Zinn wrote in message ...

>Hilary,

>

>In article <7ge2nm$2cqh@enews1.newsguy.com>, Hilary wrote:

>> Or is it all just a tasty

>> drink with pretty marketing?

>>

>   If it makes you happy, who cares? <g>

>

>                       marvinlzinn

>









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Subject: Re: Celestial Seasonings?

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 3 May 1999 15:17:01 GMT

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If you are looking for true medicinal value you'll have to have more than a

teabag and let it soak longer than 5 min. But if you want something that tastes

yummy and because of that makes you feel good, go for it! I've heard herbalists

refer to CS as "flavored, colored water."



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Celestial Seasonings?

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:32:40 -0500

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That's kind of what I was afraid of. I guess I will have to have something

with my tea like red clover salad ;)



Hilary



Bilherbs <bilherbs@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990503111701.13131.00002858@ng-ch1.aol.com...

| If you are looking for true medicinal value you'll have to have more than

a

| teabag and let it soak longer than 5 min. But if you want something that

tastes

| yummy and because of that makes you feel good, go for it! I've heard

herbalists

| refer to CS as "flavored, colored water."

|

| Belinda









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Subject: Re: Celestial Seasonings?

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 3 May 1999 18:22:31 GMT

--------

>That's kind of what I was afraid of. I guess I will have to have something

>with my tea like red clover salad ;)

>

>Hilary



Why not try making an infusion (strong tea) and adding something like hyssop or

peppermint to flavor it? That would give you the medicinal value as well as the

taste. I like peppermint in my comfrey (only way I can get it down to tell the

truth).



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Celestial Seasonings?

From: "Stephen W. Anderson" <swa@rockymountnc.com>

Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 13:04:27 -0400

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Bilherbs <bilherbs@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990503111701.13131.00002858@ng-ch1.aol.com...

> If you are looking for true medicinal value you'll have to have more than

a

> teabag and let it soak longer than 5 min. But if you want something that

tastes

> yummy and because of that makes you feel good, go for it! I've heard

herbalists

> refer to CS as "flavored, colored water."



I keep a box of their ma huang teabags (I forget what they call it) in a

cabinet during the winter. I find it useful for congestion.



--

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Rocky Mount, NC











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Subject: Re: Dandruff !!!!!

From: Pamela Love Black <pam@soapcrafters.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:35:59 -0700

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Wet your hair in the shower, rinse it with Listerine and then wash as

normal. :)}

Pam

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condor wrote:

> 

> Any natural remedy for a mercyless and virulent dandruff ?





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Subject: Re: Dandruff !!!!!

From: ETxFreespirit@webtv.net (Jean)

Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 08:10:14 -0500 (CDT)

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We found Tea Tree Oil Shampoo to be very beneficial.  Won't work

overnight but it does work.  Found ours at a health food store. 



JeanS













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Subject: Re: Dandruff !!!!!

From: "Infomaui" <infomaui@tropicals.com>

Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:05:27 GMT

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Try some rosemary oil. Dilute about 1 tea spoon of oil in

on pint of water and apply it after hair wash and do not

rinse you can blow dry your hair. BE SURE to do it before 

going to bed in the evening because rosemary relaxes

and is not good to go driving etc..

Good Luck, Chris





condor <nando@sci.fi> wrote in article <7gb97j$k0s$1@tron.sci.fi>...

> 

> 

> Any natural remedy for a mercyless and virulent dandruff ?

> 

> 

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: Dandruff !!!!!

From: "robyn james" <robyn@hnhc.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 00:46:18 +0100

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What? I find just the opposite. If I used rosemary last thing at night, I

would get no sleep at all.

Infomaui wrote in message <01be946b$4953e900$95f9a6cd@maui>...

>Try some rosemary oil<snip>. BE SURE to do it before

>going to bed in the evening because rosemary relaxes

>and is not good to go driving etc..















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Subject: Re: Dandruff !!!!!

From: "Suzanne Harrell" <swamprat1@geocities.com>

Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:32:14 -0400

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We have found white vinegar to work wonders here... We keep it in a spray

bottle...



spray on scalp and massage in... let sit about 5 minutes or so and then wash

as usual.  I would suggest a shampoo and conditioner that doesn't have a lot

of perfumes, as this has been known to irritate our scalps!



--------------------------------------------

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http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9315

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condor <nando@sci.fi> wrote in message news:7gb97j$k0s$1@tron.sci.fi...

>

>

> Any natural remedy for a mercyless and virulent dandruff ?

>

>

>











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To: nando@sci.fi

Subject: Re: Dandruff !!!!!

From: John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 01:55:32 GMT

--------

In article <7gb97j$k0s$1@tron.sci.fi>,

  "condor" <nando@sci.fi> wrote:

>

>

> Any natural remedy for a mercyless and virulent dandruff ?



Well, anything that is not supernatural, is natural in my book.



I carried something like this around for about 20 years.  (I think I

picked it up while in Vietnam during the late 60s.)  Then the last few

years, it seemed like everyone in my family came down with extreme

dandruff including crusty ear canals, beard and eyebrows, moist red sore

spots under the flaking, and rapid increase in the areas affected.

Almost daily shampooing with Head and Shoulders shampoo kept it barely

under control.  Doctors told us it was allergies, inherited and all

sorts of other unhelpful things and usually prescribed cortizone creams

that supressed the symtoms temporarily.  Then I saw one of Head And

Shoulders commercials where they flashed a split second of a micrograph

of some critters and mentioned that the medicine in their product was

effective against them.  This was the first time I saw something that

confirmed my suspicions that the thing was infectious.  I think they

have a good product, but are afraid of offending people by telling them

in certain terms that their scalp is infected.  Also, why tell people

how to cure their dandruff if you can get them to use the product

forever just to control it.



To make a long story short, after three months we are all seborrhea free

with this treatment:



Before getting in the shower, coat your scalp, or any skin affected with

a layer of Head and Shoulders shampoo or any other brand that contains

pyrithione zinc.  Let it sit for at least a half hour (watch a TV

program or something.)  If you are afraid of getting it on your couch,

wrap your head in Saran wrap.  Then shower and wash your hair normally,

being extra thorough with the rinse (or you will itch).



My theory is that the beasties live in the hair folicles, and a quick

shampoo does not allow the active ingredient to diffuse down to where

they live.



We also tried the same procedure with T-Gel, a coal tar shampoo, but we

had already seen dramatic improvement with the pyrithione zinc, so I am

not sure if it is effective by this method or not.



If anybody tries this method, I would appreciate some feedback of your

results.  We saw dramatic improvement after one or two passes, and

continuing improvement since, including almost total recovery of what

had looked like permanent scar tissue.



Best of luck,



John Popelish





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Subject: Re: Dandruff !!!!!

From: bb@home.com

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:27:18 GMT

--------

Well, I had dandruff for the first time. Pharmacist suggested a product,

didn't do much, tried something with coal tar. smelled great but

ineffective, the found from the Net that some dandruff is due to a

fungus for which they recommended Selenium Sulfide. Got that, and with

ONE treatment the problem was gone, and stayed gone with no further

treatment needed.





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Subject: Re: Dandruff !!!!!

From: pah6@cde.psu.edu (Phyllis Harbst)

Date: 21 May 1999 15:39:41 GMT

--------

I posted a similar question awhile back and didn't get a response, so I

started experimenting. Here is what finally worked.



Get a spray bottle and fill with white (5%) acidity vinegar. Spray this

on your dry hair (especially scalp) and let sit for a few minutes.

Rinse this with a little clear water and shampoo with a shampoo that

contains tea tree oil. The one I have is Jason brand, bought at Target.

I do this every other day.



On the off days I shampoo with the over-the-counter strength of Nizoral

shampoo, bought at Wal-Mart (expensive, $9/bottle).



This is all that has worked for me.



The coal tar, head and shoulders, salysilic acid routes, had no effect.



Some other alternatives I've heard, but not tried. Tea tree oil,

directly on scalp. Baking soda and water to shampoo with. Rinsing with

water containing two melted aspirin tablets.





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Subject: Re: Dandruff !!!!!

From: cstgeme@aol.com (Cstgeme)

Date: 20 May 1999 02:24:15 GMT

--------

well i don't know if this helps ...but when i found the little white flakies

coming my way i started rinsing my hair with white vinager after shampooing

...rinses out all the shampoo and i didn't even need hair conditioner ....

after about 3 times my scaple stopped itching and the flakes were gone 



katya





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Subject: Re: Stupid question

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 00:38:55 -0500

--------

St. John's Wort, and meditation...



Hilary



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| Does anyone know of an herbal remedy for the broken heart

| of a lifetime?









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Subject: Re: magnesium & calcium question

From: helen@ddc.co.za

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 10:54:28 GMT

--------

"Evelyn Ruut" <puddies@frontiernet.net> wrote:



snip



>Regarding the calcium and magnesium, my natural doctor told me to take the

>magnesium in the morning, then to take the calcium at night, but not to take



And I've been told by natural and allopathic doctors alike that

whenever you take it, just don't take them together.



Some folk prefer to take the magnesium at night as they find it helps

them sleep better and some folk also find they are nauseous after

taking magnesium in the am.



Helen

helen@ddc.co.za











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Subject: Re: magnesium & calcium question

From: barbara <rsgt@california.com>

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 20:21:19 -0700

--------

helen@ddc.co.za wrote:

> 

> "Evelyn Ruut" <puddies@frontiernet.net> wrote:

> 

> snip

> 

> >Regarding the calcium and magnesium, my natural doctor told me to take the

> >magnesium in the morning, then to take the calcium at night, but not to take

> 

> And I've been told by natural and allopathic doctors alike that

> whenever you take it, just don't take them together.

> 

> Some folk prefer to take the magnesium at night as they find it helps

> them sleep better and some folk also find they are nauseous after

> taking magnesium in the am.

> 

> Helen

> helen@ddc.co.za



Why shouldn't they be taken together? I take Jarrow's microcrystalline

hydroxyapatite form of calcium and it includes magnesium, boron, zinc

and vitamin D. 



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Subject: Re: magnesium & calcium question

From: "Evelyn Ruut" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 03:20:44 -0400

--------



barbara wrote in message <372BC4AD.7B35@california.com>...

>helen@ddc.co.za wrote:

>>

>> "Evelyn Ruut" <puddies@frontiernet.net> wrote:

>>

>> snip

>>

>> >Regarding the calcium and magnesium, my natural doctor told me to take

the

>> >magnesium in the morning, then to take the calcium at night, but not to

take

>>

>> And I've been told by natural and allopathic doctors alike that

>> whenever you take it, just don't take them together.

>>

>> Some folk prefer to take the magnesium at night as they find it helps

>> them sleep better and some folk also find they are nauseous after

>> taking magnesium in the am.

>>

>> Helen

>> helen@ddc.co.za

>

>Why shouldn't they be taken together? I take Jarrow's microcrystalline

>hydroxyapatite form of calcium and it includes magnesium, boron, zinc

>and vitamin D.

>

>Barbara





Hi Barbara,



The natural doctor whom I went to, (and yes, he is a real doctor who is what

is called a "supplementary physician")  told me that they tended to cancel

each others effects if taken together.   His exact words " I can't tell you

how many people come in here with those cal/mag tablets.... they are all

useless, since they cancel each other out.   You have to take them

separately to get any effect"



He told me to take the calcium in the evening and with dinner, and the

magnesium in the morning and at lunchtime.    He especially recommended for

me to take magnesium taurate in particular, since with the taurine involved

it helped with the blood pressure.   He did say the microcrystalline

hydroxyapatite form of the calcium was good, but I found it upset my stomach

in the night.



I have since started taking the liquid calcium capsules, and had no problem

with them at all.   They seem much more digestible even if I take them just

before bedtime.



The magnesium taurate is made by Cardiovascular Research and I have had no

problems with it of any kind.



Regards,

Evelyn









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Subject: Re: magnesium & calcium question

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 3 May 1999 21:11:16 GMT

--------

>The natural doctor whom I went to, (and yes, he is a real doctor who is what

>is called a "supplementary physician")  told me that they tended to cancel

>each others effects if taken together.   His exact words " I can't tell you

>how many people come in here with those cal/mag tablets.... they are all

>useless, since they cancel each other out.   You have to take them

>separately to get any effect"

>



Calcium and magnesium can be antagonistic to each other, but that does not mean

they cancel each other out. Amino acids are the same way, though we still meet

our protein needs in the foods we eat without having to take each amino acid

separately.



>He especially recommended for

>me to take magnesium taurate in particular, since with the taurine involved

>it helped with the blood pressure. 



Magnesium itself helps with blood pressure by acting as a calcium antagonist.

Calcium in the nerve synapse causes blood vessels to constrict raising blood

pressure. Thus the use of calcium channel blockers for some cases of high blood

pressure. Extra magnesium can push the calcium out of the nerve synapse

relaxing the blood vessels, and lowering the blood pressure. In fact,

intravenous magnesium is given to lower the blood pressure of women with

toxemia of pregnancy who are having hypertensive episodes.









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Subject: Re: magnesium & calcium question

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 4 May 1999 04:30:46 GMT

--------

>> He especially recommended for

me to take magnesium taurate in particular, since with the taurine involved

it helped with the blood pressure.  <<



I don't know about the taurine itself but the magnesium has an effect on blood

pressure (helps to reduce it) and a normal heart rhythm. Diuretic drugs can

cause magnesium to be excessively eliminated via the urinary tract.



Irwin Green





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Subject: Re: magnesium & calcium question

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 3 May 1999 04:01:49 GMT

--------

>> Regarding the calcium and magnesium, my natural doctor told me to take the

magnesium in the morning, then to take the calcium at night, but not to take <<



I may be wrong but I thought it was usually recommended to take them together

for better absorption?



Irwin Green





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Subject: Re: magnesium & calcium question

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 3 May 1999 21:22:15 GMT

--------

>If the Calcium isn't absorbed it can run free

>>through the body hardening the arteries and causing Kidney stones and

>>more.



If the calcium is not absorbed then it will never reach the arteries or

kidneys.





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Subject: Re: magnesium & calcium question

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 4 May 1999 04:14:23 GMT

--------

>> If the calcium is not absorbed then it will never reach the arteries or

kidneys. <<



What happens to it then? Merely passed out of the GI tract with the stool?



TIA, Irwin





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Subject: Re: magnesium & calcium question

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 4 May 1999 09:41:32 GMT

--------

>>> If the calcium is not absorbed then it will never reach the arteries or

>kidneys. <<

>

>What happens to it then? Merely passed out of the GI tract with the stool?

>



If it is not absorbed into the blood it will be passed through the stool and it

can thicken the fluid mucous  coating membranes. For example when you drink

cow's milk the protein in the milk inhibits the absorption of the calcium. So

the calcium instead enters and thickens the fluid mucousin the throat creating

that thick plegm that a lot of people experience after drinking the milk.

Vitamin D is added to milk to try and counter the proteins blocking effect,

though vitamin D levels are not closely regulated. Low levels have little

effect, while high levels are believed to be a factor in heart disease by

raising serum calcium levels. Synthetic vitamin D also has a hormonal action

and because of htis is believed to be carcinogenic.





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Subject: Herbal remedy/help for Chron's Disease?

From: "Bobbi" <bobbia@slic.com>

Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 12:58:53 -0400

--------

Anyone know of any alternative/herbal/natural help for someone with Chron's

Disease (in remission now..not flaring)?

Thanks in advance,

Bobbi

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Subject: Re: Herbal remedy/help for Chron's Disease?

From: "Alan Grossberg" <snowbird@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 13:33:06 -0400

--------



Bobbi <bobbia@slic.com> wrote in message news:CEGW2.755$Ny1.8174@newsfeed.slurp.net...

> Anyone know of any alternative/herbal/natural help for someone with Chron's

> Disease (in remission now..not flaring)?

> Thanks in advance,

> Bobbi





If you don't have a copy, stop by a bookstore or health food store and see "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" by James

Balch (2nd edition). On page 218 he lists many herbs for this condition.









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Subject: Re: Herbal remedy/help for Chron's Disease?

From: "louise & mike gourdoux" <lgourdoux@centuryinter.net>

Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 21:27:39 -0500

--------

This is going to sound strange, but my brother is 44 years old and has

suffered from severe Crohn's disease since he was seventeen. He has had two

surgeries and is not considered a candidate for any more surgery. He has

been given every drug available and many experimental ones as well. The

doctors have tried everything to raise his blood iron levels, but nothing

worked. They basically gave up on it. He is developing arthritis related to

Crohn's.

   Two winters ago  he read an article in Readers digest about herbal

medicines. Just on a whim, he started taking ginseng. I couldn't believe it

when I saw him last, he actually is a bit fat!!! Something that had never

happened in his twenty seven years with the disease. Also his blood iron

levels are up. The doctors cannot figure out why or how this has happened.

Apparently ginseng isn't supposed to do this. He hasn't done anything else

to explain this change in his health.

   I wonder, has anyone else had experience with anything like this? This is

a great mystery to our family and to his doctors.

      Mike G



Alan Grossberg wrote in message <7gfdu5$e86@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>...

>

>Bobbi <bobbia@slic.com> wrote in message

news:CEGW2.755$Ny1.8174@newsfeed.slurp.net...

>> Anyone know of any alternative/herbal/natural help for someone with

Chron's

>> Disease (in remission now..not flaring)?

>> Thanks in advance,

>> Bobbi

>

>

>If you don't have a copy, stop by a bookstore or health food store and see

"Prescription for Nutritional Healing" by James

>Balch (2nd edition). On page 218 he lists many herbs for this condition.

>

>









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Subject: Re: Herbal remedy/help for Chron's Disease?

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 2 May 1999 07:42:09 GMT

--------

>This is going to sound strange, but my brother is 44 years old and has

>suffered from severe Crohn's disease since he was seventeen. 



>He has

>been given every drug available and many experimental ones as well. The

>doctors have tried everything to raise his blood iron levels, but nothing

>worked.



>Two winters ago  he read an article in Readers digest about herbal

>medicines. Just on a whim, he started taking ginseng. I couldn't believe it

>when I saw him last, he actually is a bit fat!!! Something that had never

>happened in his twenty seven years with the disease. Also his blood iron

>levels are up. The doctors cannot figure out why or how this has happened.

>Apparently ginseng isn't supposed to do this. He hasn't done anything else

>to explain this change in his health.

>   I wonder, has anyone else had experience with anything like this? This is

>a great mystery to our family and to his doctors.



The ginseng is actually doing 2 things to help the condition. Ginsengs are a

good source of organic germanium which stimulates the bone marrow to increase

red blood cell counts. Though it is not a true ginseng, Siberian ginseng also

contains organic germanium. I recommend it to AIDS patients who become anemic

from AZT. It works very well.

To understand the second effect you must first understand the process of

autoimmunity. I have been attacked for explaining this one before because

simple concepts are often hard for people to comprehend. Since i have also

posted the full explanation before I will just give a simplified version.

Suppression of the immune system leads to the formation of excessive levels of

low affinity (nonspecific) antibodies which mistake the tissues for foreign

antigens. This is why stress and steroids will aggravate autoimmune conditions

since both suppress the immune system further. The steroids are actually given

to autoimmune patients to suppress their immune function so they cannot mount

an immune response. Ginseng helps support the immune system by supporting

adrenal function.

And before anyone decides to slam me again for posting how autoimmunity works,

I would suggest doing your homework first. Get a good book on immunology that

discusses the purification of antibodies. It will explain the procedure used to

separate the low affinity (nonspecific) antibodies from the high affinity

(specific) antibodies. You can also look in to silicone antibodies and there

role in the formation of autoimmunity. This will show that autoimmunity can be

non-hereditary, and second of all that it occurs from immune suppression, and

not stimulation. Silicone does cause an overactive immune system.





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Subject: Re: Herbal remedy/help for Chron's Disease?

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 2 May 1999 22:52:20 GMT

--------

>why not try the true (chinese) Ginseng ? Will see the better result!

>



I feel Siberian ginseng is a better choice for long term use. It is not a CNS

stimulant,and it will not raise testossterone levels in females





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Subject: Re: Herbal remedy/help for Chron's Disease?

From: "Evelyn Ruut" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 03:23:44 -0400

--------



Bobbi wrote in message ...

>Anyone know of any alternative/herbal/natural help for someone with Chron's

>Disease (in remission now..not flaring)?

>Thanks in advance,

>Bobbi







Hi Bobbi,



Some people have reported very good results with Cat's Claw (Una de Gato)

Anyway it is certainly worth a try!



Regards,

Evelyn









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Subject: Re: herbal wards.

From: m8636@abc.se (Staffan Nielsen)

Date: 1 May 1999 18:17:08 GMT

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StGordito (stgordito@aol.com) wrote:

> Does anybody know a good book about traditional warding properties of herbs and

> other plants?  Along the lines of garlic warding off vampires, etc.  I'm

> researching a paper.



I don't know English names for plants, and most of you don't know

Swedish, so I'll use Latin. In Sweden there is an old folk-tale

about somebody whose husband was being lured by the Lady of the

forest ("skogsfrun"). The woman found a means to approach this

supernatural creature, and she asked this question: "My cow is

being bothered too much by your bull, how can I keep him away?""



"Make a wreath of Daphne Mezereum and Valeriana Officinalis and

hang it around the neck of your cow. That will keep my bull

away", was the answer. The woman then sewed these plants into the

clothes of her husband, and then the lady of the forest no longer

had any power over him. She was obviously deterred by the same

stuff as her livestock.



> I'm particularly looking for those that warded off Faerie.



The abovementioned herbs should work excellently. Just don't eat

them. Also, be careful when you pick Daphne Mezereum, its juices

can eat through the skin, causing deep wounds, at the same time

poisoning you. Surely you can find some safer-to-use, non-herbal

elf-repellants on the Web if you search through AltaVista or

Lycos.



S.





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Subject: Re: herbal wards.

From: lurie@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Andrew J Lurie)

Date: 2 May 1999 05:26:40 GMT

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  theres this thing called a 'library' where you could look this up. also 

maybe a 'bookstore.'





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Subject: Where To Get Ayurvedic Herbs For Osteoarthritis?

From: Steve <someone34@iname.com>

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 15:51:29 -0500

--------

I was flipping through the May-June 1999 issue of ARTHRITIS TODAY( page

48 )in my PT's office.



It had a lot of good and solid things to say about an ayurvedic 4 herb

combination for treating the inflamation with either rheumotoid or

osteoarthritis.



The herb combo is:

1. ginger

2. tumeric

3. frankincense

4. ashwagandha



I've been taking spoonfuls of just ginger for a while and I've found it

to be a decent antinflammatory, though my body builds a tolerance to it

quickly.........so I only take it when I need it .  Anyway I am

interested in this ayurvedic combo



Anyone know where I can get information on:

1. the proportions these herbs need to be combined in?

2. dosages to take and the time required to notice a difference?

3. do you take this stuff everyday or only when you get bad pain?

4. will your body build a tolerance?



Thanks in advance



 

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Subject: Re: Where To Get Ayurvedic Herbs For Osteoarthritis?

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 09:00:19 GMT

--------

On 2 May 1999 04:18:33 GMT, loralsl2@aol.com (Loralsl2) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Well, A very good chinese herb for inflammation is IF-C.     MSM is also good

>for arthritus. An herb called JNT-A is good also. Make sure you stay away from

>high acid foods......Loralsl2@aol.com



An herb called IF-C? Another called JNT-A? Since when do herbal names come in

acronyms-B?



Use latin names. They will give us a clue what you're talking about.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Where To Get Ayurvedic Herbs For Osteoarthritis?

From: "robyn james" <robyn@hnhc.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:38:00 +0100

--------

Yes, it would. I think (and hope) many people on this group are primarily

interested in getting to know the plants. Yes, we want to help people get

better, but for herbalists that requires a knowledge of the individual

plants, not just of proprietary products made up of a combination of plant

extracts. Obviously, when you only have such a limited knowledge of the

patient, a fully holistic treatment is impossible, but that is the aim of

any good herbalist. Ready made combinations will rarely be ideal, and their

names alone teach us nothing.

Loralsl2 wrote in message <19990502222321.07846.00001483@ng-cr1.aol.com>...

>Well I could look on the bottles and tell you everything that is in

them.....

>would that help?  Loralsl2@aol.com









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Subject: Re: Where To Get Ayurvedic Herbs For Osteoarthritis?

From: "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 20:36:40 GMT

--------

Another source for Ayurvedic herbs located at Mount Madonna Center in Santa

Cruz is The ayurvedic Store at www.ayurveda-world.com  I am not an ayurvedic

doctor, but you might want to "investigate" rubbing into the joints of the

lower lumbar as well as the sacral region mahanarayana oil (an ayurvedic

combination of herbs). Planetary Formulations (Michael Tierra) in Soquel,

California has a formulation as well as do most ayurvedic stores.



I do not know the exact proportions for the specific ayurvedic formulation

that you request, but perhaps you can get it at the ayurvedic store (above).









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Subject: Re: Re toxic plants

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 02:43:51 GMT

--------

Joanne <jokud@my-dejanews.com> wrote:



>I think Lily of the Valley and also Iris are toxic.



Rather than guess,look them up.  You were half right ... 

Lily iof the Valley are VERY toxic.  Iris are harmless. 

Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: Re toxic plants

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:30:52 GMT

--------

"Harmless"?  I generally read that Iris is "powerfully cathartic".  To me,

that means dangerous in the wrong hands/doses, especially to children, the

old and infirm, and of course potentially to animals (who are generally

smart enough to ignore it).   It might not be lethal, but it is far from

harmless.



-Rich



Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> Joanne <jokud@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

>

> >I think Lily of the Valley and also Iris are toxic.

>

> Rather than guess,look them up.  You were half right ...

> Lily iof the Valley are VERY toxic.  Iris are harmless.

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional!









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Subject: Re: Re toxic plants

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 4 May 1999 20:51:55 GMT

--------

>"Harmless"?  I generally read that Iris is "powerfully cathartic".  To me,

>that means dangerous in the wrong hands/doses, especially to children, the

>old and infirm, and of course potentially to animals (who are generally

>smart enough to ignore it).   It might not be lethal, but it is far from

>harmless.

>

>-Rich

>



Which irris are you talking about? Yellow flag, wild iris, orris? The chemistry

of all palnts are not the same.





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Subject: Re: Re toxic plants

From: "Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:00:08 -0400

--------

This is odd.  I shall check with the aromatherapy group, but I have been

wearing Lily of the Valley essential oil with no ill effects.  Is it the

rootstock, not the blooms that is the part to avoid?



--

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

~Unknown.



>> Rather than guess,look them up.  You were half right ...

>> Lily iof the Valley are VERY toxic.  Iris are harmless.

>> Tsu Dho Nimh

>>

>> We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional!

>

>









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Subject: Re: Re toxic plants

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 03:28:13 GMT

--------

"Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com> wrote:



>This is odd.  I shall check with the aromatherapy group, but I have been

>wearing Lily of the Valley essential oil with no ill effects.  Is it the

>rootstock, not the blooms that is the part to avoid?



  For one, you are wearing an EXTRACTED OIL, not eating the

blossoms.  A water soluble glycoside is responsible for the

toxicity. It would not be extracted into an oil in any great

amount.  You can wear essential oil of oleander blossom too, but

don't eat them.

Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: Re toxic plants

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 5 May 1999 07:40:26 GMT

--------

>This is odd.  I shall check with the aromatherapy group, but I have been

>wearing Lily of the Valley essential oil with no ill effects.  Is it the

>rootstock, not the blooms that is the part to avoid?

>



Are you sure it is an essential oil and not a fragraance  oil? I have never

seen the essential oil, but the fragrance oil is common.





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Subject: Re: Re toxic plants

From: M&G Hoover <mthoover@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 04:18:04 -0700

--------

There is not an essential oil of Lily of the Valley. The plant doesn't

produce enought oil to market.



Gloria



Sara wrote:



> This is odd.  I shall check with the aromatherapy group, but I have been

> wearing Lily of the Valley essential oil with no ill effects.  Is it the

> rootstock, not the blooms that is the part to avoid?

>

> --

> The beatings will continue until morale improves.

> ~Unknown.

>

> >> Rather than guess,look them up.  You were half right ...

> >> Lily iof the Valley are VERY toxic.  Iris are harmless.

> >> Tsu Dho Nimh

> >>

> >> We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional!

> >

> >







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Subject: Re: Re toxic plants

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:20:12 GMT

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But even if there was an essential oil of Lily of the Valley available, what

Tsu Dho Nimh points out in an earlier post is correct.  The cardiotoxin in

Lily of the Valley is a water soluble compound.  It would almost certainly

not be present in a distilled oil product, nor would it likely be taken up

in a carrier oil by an enfleurage process.



-Rich



M&G Hoover <mthoover@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message

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> There is not an essential oil of Lily of the Valley. The plant doesn't

> produce enought oil to market.

>

> Gloria

>

> Sara wrote:

>

> > This is odd.  I shall check with the aromatherapy group, but I have been

> > wearing Lily of the Valley essential oil with no ill effects.  Is it the

> > rootstock, not the blooms that is the part to avoid?

> >

> > --

> > The beatings will continue until morale improves.

> > ~Unknown.

> >

> > >> Rather than guess,look them up.  You were half right ...

> > >> Lily iof the Valley are VERY toxic.  Iris are harmless.

> > >> Tsu Dho Nimh

> > >>

> > >> We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional!

> > >

> > >

>

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Subject: Re: Re toxic plants

From: "Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:50:30 -0400

--------

I apologize to differ with you, but if that were true, rose oil wouldn't be

on the market either.  I do have an essential oil of lily of the valley, and

it's from the first pressing collected from a process called enfleurage.



_____________

Also:

Thanks Tsu and Richard for the info.  Glad to know I'm not doing myself a

mischief!  <smiles>



--

~Sara



M&G Hoover wrote in message <373028EC.26FB70B6@ix.netcom.com>...

>There is not an essential oil of Lily of the Valley. The plant doesn't

>produce enought oil to market.

>

>Gloria

>











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To: Sara <timespace@hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: Re toxic plants

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 22:08:05 -0400

--------

I suspect that if, indeed, what you have is lily of the valley oil produced by

enfleurage, then you have an oil to hold onto, because very likely, unless

you're friends with the person who produced it, you'll not find its like again

real soon.



I meet a woman last summer at a festival who produces her own minute quantities

of essential oils through enfleurage. She gave me quite an education about the

process. Her oils and blends were also highly valued and very expensive (I was

lucky that she wanted a bunch of my candles. I felt I got the better of the deal

when she blended me a 1/2 dram bottle.)



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



Sara wrote:



> I apologize to differ with you, but if that were true, rose oil wouldn't be

> on the market either.  I do have an essential oil of lily of the valley, and

> it's from the first pressing collected from a process called enfleurage.

>

> _____________

> Also:

> Thanks Tsu and Richard for the info.  Glad to know I'm not doing myself a

> mischief!  <smiles>

>

> --

> ~Sara

>

> M&G Hoover wrote in message <373028EC.26FB70B6@ix.netcom.com>...

> >There is not an essential oil of Lily of the Valley. The plant doesn't

> >produce enought oil to market.

> >

> >Gloria

> >







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Subject: Re: Re toxic plants

From: simon J okeeffe <simon_okeeffe@gjames.com.au>

Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:47:54 +0000

--------

>

> Sara wrote:

>

> > I apologize to differ with you, but if that were true, rose oil wouldn't be

> > on the market either.  I do have an essential oil of lily of the valley, and

> > it's from the first pressing collected from a process called enfleurage.

> >

> > _> >



What is the process of enfleurage? Is it possible to do it on a small scale at

home?

I have been trying to find a way to make my own essential oils at home but have not

done very well finding info on it?



Thanks



Simon







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Subject: Re: Re toxic plants

From: m8636@abc.se (Staffan Nielsen)

Date: 5 May 1999 19:00:29 GMT

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Richard Ogden (pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net) wrote:

> "Harmless"?  I generally read that Iris is "powerfully cathartic".  To me,

> that means dangerous in the wrong hands/doses, especially to children, the

> old and infirm, and of course potentially to animals (who are generally

> smart enough to ignore it).   It might not be lethal, but it is far from

> harmless.



I think this is one of the situations where it makes a great difference

whether the herb is fresh or dry. The dried root of Iris Germanicum was

given to babies to chew on when their gums were itching because they were

growing teeth. The idea was that they should not eat the root, just chew on

it to soothe the irritation. The dried root is fragrant, with a smell of

violets. *Fresh* Iris, on the other hand, may well be poisonous, for all I

know.



S.





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Subject: Immune System

From: rendane@webtv.net

Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 22:45:35 -0500 (CDT)

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I just found this group.  My daughter and I have lyme disease.  She is

on massive antibiotics.  Weve both had this for years.  I'll listen to

any advice given, especially on building up the immune system.







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Subject: Re: Immune System

From: SISteve@webtv.net (Steve B)

Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:40:36 -0400 (EDT)

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I would suggest antioxidants.Especially Vitamin

C and Grape Seed Extract.



Also when you're done taking the antibiotics, you should take

Acidophilus to build up the good bacteria that were destroyed by the

antibiotics.



Steve



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Subject: Rose Petal Cream Recipe?

From: wellnessem@aol.com (WellnessEm)

Date: 2 May 1999 05:33:20 GMT

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I'm looking for a recipe for hand cream made with rose petals?

I used to have it written down and now I can't find it?

Would anyone know or have a recipe for this cream that they could share?

Thanks in advance!

Kelly

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Subject: Re: Which echinacea species is best?

From: Chris & Christine <csquared@bellsouth.net>

Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 11:43:27 GMT

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Oops. Thanks for that correction! My latin is

terrible, and when you compound the fact that

many botanical names do not follow the rules of

latin strictly, it can be confusing. :)



However, the angustifolia that I have is white.

Apparently there can be seedling variation in the

species which allows for different colors, just like

with purpurea.



Be well,



Chris





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Subject: Re: Which echinacea species is best?

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:57:18 GMT

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Chris & Christine <csquared@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

news:3729A530.C3C7B4CE@bellsouth.net...

> x-no-archive: yes

>

> Dyl1,

>

> The two species of genus *Echinacea* are *purpureum* and *angustifolium*.

> Purpureum has a purple flower, angustifolium has a white flower.



These is a third species used as well, E. pallida.  All three species

normally have purplish-pink flowers - the white blooms are just "sports"

(occasional genetic accidents).



-Rich











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Subject: a question please

From: "Enchanting Angel" <iamhisangel@azmail.net>

Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 10:16:08 -0500

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i have a sister in law who has been diagnosed with cancer.  She is recieving

chemo again after it came back from being in remission.  Could anyone tell

me if there are any herbs that could help ease the pain  for her or possibly

send the cancer back into remissino?



--

Angel



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Subject: Re: a question please

From: brownswan@aol.com (Brownswan)

Date: 6 May 1999 05:57:12 GMT

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I had a cousin with bone, liver and I'm not sure what else.  To keep things

down and for the pain only marahuana(sp) helped.  There were things that helped

her into remission several times.  For one thing a completely vegetarian diet

and incredible discipline where nutrition was concerned.  She was also a very

determined woman with a wonderful attitude.  As it was she lived two or three

years longer than anyone expected with these types of cancer.  There finding

cures all the time, you know.





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Subject: Re: a question please

From: "Erica Suess" <erica@x-press.net>

Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 12:10:37 -0400

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Look for essiac tea.  There is lots of information on the net about it.  But

you need to be careful in finding a reputable source.  The original form of

this tea is said to have cured thousands of people of cancer since the

1920's.  Its a combination of Sheep Sorrel, Slippery Elm, Burdock Root and

Turkey Rhubbard.  I think it's something to definately look into.    After

you  educate yourself regarding the tea, there are sources where you can

order online or check your local herbal shops.  Just make sure the source

you use uses quality herbs (harvested at the right times, not frozen,

combined in correct proportions, etc.) to ensure maiximum potency.  Best of

Luck to you.



Erica



Enchanting Angel <iamhisangel@azmail.net> wrote in message

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> i have a sister in law who has been diagnosed with cancer.  She is

recieving

> chemo again after it came back from being in remission.  Could anyone tell

> me if there are any herbs that could help ease the pain  for her or

possibly

> send the cancer back into remissino?

>

> --

> Angel

>

> remove iam to reply

>

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Subject: Re: how do I use stinging nettle?

From: "Michael Flynn" <michael@bayberry.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:35:38 +0100

--------



Bilherbs <bilherbs@aol.com> wrote in message

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> >I did a search on dejanews but did not find the answer I was looking for.

> >I was out in the woods last weekend and saw lots of stinging nettle that

was

> >about 6 inches high. It got me to thinking of how to use it in a tea?

When

> >is

> >the time to pick it or what part do I use.

> >thanks

>

Today i picked lots of nettles from my overgrown garden and made a tincture

with vodka out of them. I used a great big jar and i filled it right to the

top. I have so many nettles you wouldn't believe. Also i use them as an

infusion. Just chop up some of the fresh nettles with bolied water. The best

time to pick is Spring and early summer, so now is perfect. They are best

when the leaves are still quite young, I thought I better get cracking

whilst the season was right. I also have made a cleavers tincture today...so

hopefully in about a month my remedies will be ready for action. They make

such a good combination, I have used them together for being run down and a

bit anaemic, for colds which involve swollen glands....Cleavers has an

affinity with the throat and glands.



Jacqui









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Subject: Re: Turmeric cortisone effect (if any)

From: Steve <someone34@geocities.com>

Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 16:36:06 -0500

--------

mikes688@webtv.net wrote:

> 

> Does turmeric (whole herb or an extract) have a cortisone-like effect on

> the body? Can it cause Addison's disease (too little adrenal hormone) or

> Cushing's syndrome (too much adrenal hormone). Thanks, Mike.

> mikes688@webtv.net



The latest issue of Arthritis Today has an article about an ancient

ayurvedic formula for arthritis that contains tumeric, which they said

has a corticol like effect ( nothing more about that ).



I'm lucky, I live in an area that has ayurvedic experts.  I plan on

going to see one of them and ask them about this combo ( ginger,

tumeric, and two other herbs )

 

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Subject: Re: dry skin

From: "Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:06:00 -0400

--------

I agree that there is moisture, even in desert air.



I have a question . . . if it draws the moisture, does it also draw other

components from the surrounding air?  I do not live in the city, but I do

work there.  I am concerned that I might draw the pollution/irritants/bad

stuff to my skin, if I used glycerin.  How long does it stay on your skin?

Perhaps one should use it only when the surrounding air is a bit "cleaner"?



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Subject: Re: dry skin

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 3 May 1999 03:47:21 GMT

--------

>I have a question . . . if it draws the moisture, does it also draw other

>components from the surrounding air?  I do not live in the city, but I do

>work there.  I am concerned that I might draw the pollution/irritants/bad

>stuff to my skin, if I used glycerin.  How long does it stay on your skin?

>Perhaps one should use it only when the surrounding air is a bit "cleaner"?

>



You mean absorb the same pollution we would inhale when we breathe?

I would be surprised if it did, but I have never seen any research done on

this.





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Subject: Psoriasis

From: sbee@aol.com (SBee)

Date: 2 May 1999 23:24:14 GMT

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Around 1948 I was given an injection by a Dr. Compere, (not sure of the

spelling) from Blacksburg, SC that put my psoriasis into remission within two

weeks.  I have no idea what he gave me, but I do remember that I was required

to stay on a controlled fast for three days.



About the only thing I know about this doctor is that he came to our home in

North Carolina to give me the injection in the middle of the night.  The reason

he gave my parents was that he was not allowed to practice medicine because the

State of South Carolina had revoked his license for using non-traditional

medicines.  We are pretty sure that the serum was something he compounded.



By the time my psoriasis had returned we were no longer able to locate the

doctor and a few years later located his wife who informed us that he had

passed away and that all of his records had been lost in a fire prior to his

death.



If anyone has any information about anyone who was ever associated with this

doctor I would appreciate a reply.



Sarah





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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: balrog9@yahoo.com

Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:35:52 GMT

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Don't know anything about the doctor, but have a suggestion.

Do you remember what the "controlled fast" consisted of?

The reason I ask is that I too suffer from psoriasis and

about 10 years ago I was told by a nutritionist that I

should stay away from all foods which contain molds

(like cheese, breads,...) yet I didn't give it much thought

at the time.  Presently I am trying to drop some weight and

have tried cutting way back on my carbo's (and bread/pasta

has always been the majority of my food intake) and I have

noticed that my psoriasis has been reacting positive to this.

So I was wondering if a full blown fast might be beneficial

and if that might have had a greater effect on your remission

than the injection you received?  However I'd be careful about

fasting if your health isn't up to par.



The one factor I have noticed which directly correlates with my

psoriasis is stress.  When I am under a great deal of stress,

it just goes haywire and reducing the stress stops it from progressing

but doesn't seem to make it get better.  The only "real" treatment that

I have found is PUVA.



BTW: in case you are wondering, I haven't been in the sun lately,

so the spring weather is not contributing to the positive effect

I've been seeing lately.









In article <19990502192414.19922.00001526@ng-fw1.aol.com>,

  sbee@aol.com (SBee) wrote:

> Around 1948 I was given an injection by a Dr. Compere, (not sure of the

> spelling) from Blacksburg, SC that put my psoriasis into remission within two

> weeks.  I have no idea what he gave me, but I do remember that I was required

> to stay on a controlled fast for three days.

>



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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:48:24 -0500

--------

I am very interested in this for a friend. Where did you come across this

information? how many IU's are you taking of vit E? and how many mg of the

others? is it ongoing, or was it a cure? I am very intrigued and so is she.



Thank you

Hilary



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| I dont know anything about the doctor, but I do know that a combination

| of Evening Primrose Oil, Vit.E and Fish Oil(one capsule of each)

| completely healed my psoriasis.  It takes a couple of months of taking

| it religiously, but it works for me.

|









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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Hay Fever

From: sindara@pobox.com (Sharon R. Saroff)

Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 00:41:35 GMT

--------

Hi,



I have just today read the post in this thread.  On Friday I read an

article about what herbs to not give a baby.  One of the herbs they

noted was Echinacea.  The reason they said was that Echinacea is in

the same family as goldenrod and ragweed, the same offenders that

cause most hayfever problems.  If a baby is allergic to these items

and there is no way to tell at such an early age, they will have an

allergic reaction to the Echinacea.  This can be quite harmful to a

baby. 



I would think the same would go for an adult with severe hayfever

(like me).  Any thoughts, studies, etc...





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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Hay Fever

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:59:33 GMT

--------

HerbAssist <herbassist@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990428023914.09270.00000467@ng-cm1.aol.com...

<snip>

> ...collagen, which like silicone is silica based...





Please can you explain this?  Do you mean there is demonstrably more Si in

collagen than in tissue in general?  "Silica based" (do you mean silicon?)

sounds like it is mostly "silica"; in fact, it is mostly very like other

living tissues.  I've never run into any references to collagen containing

*any* silicon; mostly it is considered a protein (carbon, oxygen, hydrogen,

nitrogen, some sulfur - no silicon).



-Rich











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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Hay Fever

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 5 May 1999 21:50:09 GMT

--------

>> ...collagen, which like silicone is silica based...

>

>

>Please can you explain this?  Do you mean there is demonstrably more Si in

>collagen than in tissue in general?  "Silica based" (do you mean silicon?)

>sounds like it is mostly "silica"; in fact, it is mostly very like other

>living tissues.  I've never run into any references to collagen containing

>*any* silicon; mostly it is considered a protein (carbon, oxygen, hydrogen,

>nitrogen, some sulfur - no silicon).

>



Silicon does not exist by itself in nature. Silicon is a glassy metal used in

the production of electronic equipment and computer disks. Silica is silicon

dioxide,and silicone is a rubbery plastic containing carbon, hydrogen, oxygen

and silicon. Generally silicone is a repeatring molecule of: 



                                      H

                                       |

                             - H - C- H-

                                       |

                                      O

                                       |

                             - H - C- H-

                                       |

                                      H



Collagen is primarily composed of silica (SiO2), vitamin C, sulfur, and hte

amino acid L-proline.

Most tissue of hte body is composed of collagen including hair, nails, teeth,

bone, skin, cartilage, etc.





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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Hay Fever

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 01:40:54 GMT

--------

herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist) wrote:





>Silicon does not exist by itself in nature. Silicon is a glassy metal used in

>the production of electronic equipment and computer disks. Silica is silicon

>dioxide,and silicone is a rubbery plastic containing carbon, hydrogen, oxygen

>and silicon. Generally silicone is a repeatring molecule of: 

>

>                                      H

>                                       |

>                             - H - C- H-

>                                       |

>                                      O

>                                       |

>                             - H - C- H-

>                                       |

>                                      H

>

>Collagen is primarily composed of silica (SiO2), vitamin C, sulfur, and hte

>amino acid L-proline.

>Most tissue of hte body is composed of collagen including hair, nails, teeth,

>bone, skin, cartilage, etc.



Herbassist - 

  THAT IS PURE BULLSHIT!  Care to cite your references for yout

assertion that not only is collagen made mostly of silica

dioxide, but that hair, bone, teeth, nails and skin are made of

collagen?  

Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Hay Fever

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 6 May 1999 10:42:56 GMT

--------

>>Silicon does not exist by itself in nature. Silicon is a glassy metal used

>in

>>the production of electronic equipment and computer disks. Silica is silicon

>>dioxide,and silicone is a rubbery plastic containing carbon, hydrogen,

>oxygen

>>and silicon. Generally silicone is a repeatring molecule of: 

>>

>>                                      H

>>                                       |

>>                             - H - C- H-

>>                                       |

>>                                      O

>>                                       |

>>                             - H - C- H-

>>                                       |

>>                                      H

>>

>>Collagen is primarily composed of silica (SiO2), vitamin C, sulfur, and hte

>>amino acid L-proline.

>>Most tissue of hte body is composed of collagen including hair, nails,

>teeth,

>>bone, skin, cartilage, etc.

>

>Herbassist - 

>  THAT IS PURE BULLSHIT!  Care to cite your references for yout

>assertion that not only is collagen made mostly of silica

>dioxide, but that hair, bone, teeth, nails and skin are made of

>collagen?  

>Tsu Dho Nimh



Silicon and Siliceous Structures in Biological Systems Simpson, T.L., Volcani,

B.E.,eds. New York: Springer 1981 pp. 69-94



Silicon: A nutritional beneficience for bones, brain and blood vessels?  Nutr.

Today july/August 13-18



Effect of dieatary silicon on growtha nd skeletal development in chickens  J.

Nutr.121: 201-07



I'm not going to sit here all night typing references for you. There is plenty

more information out there if you are interested. All you have to do is to stop

wasting your time attacking others and spend it doing research.

Though I did make one mistake in my wording. I did not mean to say hair is

composed of collagen, that is keratin. Though hair still contains silica. As

far as bone goes, what do you have when you soak a bone in acid for a while?

The bone does not completely disinegrate. What is left behind is collagen. This

is the matrix in which the minerals electrodeposit in to in order to form solid

bone. Wrinkles have a lot to do withcollagen breakdown in the skin causing the

skin to lose elasticity.





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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Hay Fever

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 7 May 1999 10:52:05 GMT

--------

>>>Silicon does not exist by itself in nature. Silicon is a glassy metal used

>>in

>>>the production of electronic equipment and computer disks. Silica is

>silicon

>>>dioxide,and silicone is a rubbery plastic containing carbon, hydrogen,

>>oxygen

>>>and silicon. Generally silicone is a repeatring molecule of: 

>>>

>>>                                      H

>>>                                       |

>>>                             - H - C- H-

>>>                                       |

>>>                                      O

>>>                                       |

>>>                             - H - C- H-

>>>                                       |

>>>                                      H

>>>

>>>Collagen is primarily composed of silica (SiO2), vitamin C, sulfur, and hte

>>>amino acid L-proline.

>>>Most tissue of hte body is composed of collagen including hair, nails,

>>teeth,

>>>bone, skin, cartilage, etc.

>>

>>Herbassist - 

>>  THAT IS PURE BULLSHIT!  Care to cite your references for yout

>>assertion that not only is collagen made mostly of silica

>>dioxide, but that hair, bone, teeth, nails and skin are made of

>>collagen?  

>>Tsu Dho Nimh

>

>Silicon and Siliceous Structures in Biological Systems Simpson, T.L.,

>Volcani,

>B.E.,eds. New York: Springer 1981 pp. 69-94

>

>Silicon: A nutritional beneficience for bones, brain and blood vessels?

>Nutr.

>Today july/August 13-18

>

>Effect of dieatary silicon on growtha nd skeletal development in chickens  J.

>Nutr.121: 201-07

>

>I'm not going to sit here all night typing references for you. There is

>plenty

>more information out there if you are interested. All you have to do is to

>stop

>wasting your time attacking others and spend it doing research.

>Though I did make one mistake in my wording. I did not mean to say hair is

>composed of collagen, that is keratin. Though hair still contains silica. As

>far as bone goes, what do you have when you soak a bone in acid for a while?

>The bone does not completely disinegrate. What is left behind is collagen.

>This

>is the matrix in which the minerals electrodeposit in to in order to form

>solid

>bone. Wrinkles have a lot to do withcollagen breakdown in the skin causing

>the

>skin to lose elasticity.

>



I had a little time on my hands so I looked these up for you as well.

Quote from Dr. Atkins' Vita-Nutrient Solution by Robert C Atkins, M.D. "In

certain mammals , silicon afffects a variety of substances necessary for

healthy development of bones, blood vessels, and the brain, including COLLAGEN,

elastin and glycoaminoglycans. References are included in the book.

Quote from Nutrition Almanac 4th Ed. Gayla and John Kirchmann "The mineral is

present in the tissues of the SKIN, fingernails, BONES, lungs, trachea, lymph

nodes, tendons, and aorta" " Silicon is needed for the connective tissues of

the body such as the tendons, cartilage (the connective tissues of collagen

formation), blood vessels, nails, skin and hair, and is essential for their

integrity." "Silicon works with calcium to make strong bones".

Quote from the Healing Power of Minerals by Paul Berger. SILICON IS IMPORTANT

IN THE FORMATION OF COLLAGEN FOUND IN BONE, cartilage and other connective

tissue." " Silicon is necessary for hte formation of other connective tissues

like elastin, which help maintain the integrity of the elastic quality of blood

vessels and other tissue." "The highest concentrations are found in the hair

and skin."

Quote from Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements by Michael T. Murray N.D.

"In animals, silicon defficiency is characterized by abnormal ligament, tendon,

and bone integrity." "CHICKENS FED A SILICON DEFICIENT DIET DEMONSTRATE BONE

ABNORMALITIES CONSISTENT WITH DEPRESSED COLLAGEN SYNTHESIS." "Collagen is hte

major protein component in the human body essential to proper bone and

connective tissue integrity." " Silicon is required for the proper functioning

of the an enzyme (prolyhydroxylase) that functions in the formation of

ccollagen in bone, cartilage, and other connective tissues." "The highest

concentrations of silicon, however, are found in the skin and hair."

"Interestingly, the silicon content of hte aorta, thymus, and skin tends to

decline with aging while in other tissues it does not." References are

available in his book.

The declining silica levels in the skin with age goes back to my statement of

collagen breakdown leading to wrinkles because the skin loses elasticity with

loss of silica.







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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Hay Fever

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 23:20:19 GMT

--------

HerbAssist <herbassist@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990507065205.24595.00000213@ng-ci1.aol.com...

> >>>Silicon does not exist by itself in nature. Silicon is a glassy metal

used

> >>in

> >>>the production of electronic equipment and computer disks. Silica is

> >silicon

> >>>dioxide,and silicone is a rubbery plastic containing carbon, hydrogen,

> >>oxygen

> >>>and silicon. Generally silicone is a repeatring molecule of:

> >>>

> >>>                                      H

> >>>                                       |

> >>>                             - H - C- H-

> >>>                                       |

> >>>                                      O

> >>>                                       |

> >>>                             - H - C- H-

> >>>                                       |

> >>>                                      H

> >>>

> >>>Collagen is primarily composed of silica (SiO2), vitamin C, sulfur, and

hte

> >>>amino acid L-proline.

> >>>Most tissue of hte body is composed of collagen including hair, nails,

> >>teeth,

> >>>bone, skin, cartilage, etc.

> >>

> >>Herbassist -

> >>  THAT IS PURE BULLSHIT!  Care to cite your references for yout

> >>assertion that not only is collagen made mostly of silica

> >>dioxide, but that hair, bone, teeth, nails and skin are made of

> >>collagen?

> >>Tsu Dho Nimh

> >

> >Silicon and Siliceous Structures in Biological Systems Simpson, T.L.,

> >Volcani,

> >B.E.,eds. New York: Springer 1981 pp. 69-94

> >

> >Silicon: A nutritional beneficience for bones, brain and blood vessels?

> >Nutr.

> >Today july/August 13-18

> >

> >Effect of dieatary silicon on growtha nd skeletal development in chickens

J.

> >Nutr.121: 201-07

> >

> >I'm not going to sit here all night typing references for you. There is

> >plenty

> >more information out there if you are interested. All you have to do is

to

> >stop

> >wasting your time attacking others and spend it doing research.

> >Though I did make one mistake in my wording. I did not mean to say hair

is

> >composed of collagen, that is keratin. Though hair still contains silica.

As

> >far as bone goes, what do you have when you soak a bone in acid for a

while?

> >The bone does not completely disinegrate. What is left behind is

collagen.

> >This

> >is the matrix in which the minerals electrodeposit in to in order to form

> >solid

> >bone. Wrinkles have a lot to do withcollagen breakdown in the skin

causing

> >the

> >skin to lose elasticity.

> >

>

> I had a little time on my hands so I looked these up for you as well.

> Quote from Dr. Atkins' Vita-Nutrient Solution by Robert C Atkins, M.D. "In

> certain mammals , silicon afffects a variety of substances necessary for

> healthy development of bones, blood vessels, and the brain, including

COLLAGEN,

> elastin and glycoaminoglycans. References are included in the book.

> Quote from Nutrition Almanac 4th Ed. Gayla and John Kirchmann "The mineral

is

> present in the tissues of the SKIN, fingernails, BONES, lungs, trachea,

lymph

> nodes, tendons, and aorta" " Silicon is needed for the connective tissues

of

> the body such as the tendons, cartilage (the connective tissues of

collagen

> formation), blood vessels, nails, skin and hair, and is essential for

their

> integrity." "Silicon works with calcium to make strong bones".

> Quote from the Healing Power of Minerals by Paul Berger. SILICON IS

IMPORTANT

> IN THE FORMATION OF COLLAGEN FOUND IN BONE, cartilage and other connective

> tissue." " Silicon is necessary for hte formation of other connective

tissues

> like elastin, which help maintain the integrity of the elastic quality of

blood

> vessels and other tissue." "The highest concentrations are found in the

hair

> and skin."

> Quote from Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements by Michael T. Murray

N.D.

> "In animals, silicon defficiency is characterized by abnormal ligament,

tendon,

> and bone integrity." "CHICKENS FED A SILICON DEFICIENT DIET DEMONSTRATE

BONE

> ABNORMALITIES CONSISTENT WITH DEPRESSED COLLAGEN SYNTHESIS." "Collagen is

hte

> major protein component in the human body essential to proper bone and

> connective tissue integrity." " Silicon is required for the proper

functioning

> of the an enzyme (prolyhydroxylase) that functions in the formation of

> ccollagen in bone, cartilage, and other connective tissues." "The highest

> concentrations of silicon, however, are found in the skin and hair."

> "Interestingly, the silicon content of hte aorta, thymus, and skin tends

to

> decline with aging while in other tissues it does not." References are

> available in his book.

> The declining silica levels in the skin with age goes back to my statement

of

> collagen breakdown leading to wrinkles because the skin loses elasticity

with

> loss of silica.

>



Yes, well, this is very interesting, but saying collagen is *silica-based*

is like saying blood is cobalt-based because you need to cobalt present (in

the form of microgram-quantities of vitamin B-12) to prevent pernicious

anemia.  The fact that there may be vanishingly small quantities of silicon

(excuse me, but even source *you quote* refers to "silicon", not "silica")

required for the working of some enzyme responsible for collagen formation

does not mean the silicon is a structural element in its composition.

Silicone, OTOH, is absolutely *made* of silicon; it is part of the basic

*structure* of the molecule.  You are playing rather fast and loose with

your terminology, and making connections where there really aren't any.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Hay Fever

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 8 May 1999 21:28:43 GMT

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>Yes, well, this is very interesting, but saying collagen is *silica-based*

>is like saying blood is cobalt-based because you need to cobalt present (in

>the form of microgram-quantities of vitamin B-12) to prevent pernicious

>anemia.  The fact that there may be vanishingly small quantities of silicon

>(excuse me, but even source *you quote* refers to "silicon", not "silica")



You apparently have trouble reading so let me walk you through the posting

First of all you missed my first sentence: "Silicon does not exist by itself in

nature." Silicon is elemental represented by the symbol Si. But again it is not

found naturally unattached. It occurs as compounds such as silicon dioxide

(SiO2) also called silica, and silicates for example. So silicon is part of

silica, just as germanium is part of Bis betacarboxyethylgermanium sesquioxide,

which we refer to as germanium.



>required for the working of some enzyme responsible for collagen formation

>does not mean the silicon is a structural element in its composition.



As with other compounds, such as zinc, silica can play multiple roles. Yes it

plays a role in the formation of collagen to form tissues, but it is also a

structural part of these tissues. Again quotes from my posting you did not

read: "The mineral is present in the tissues of the SKIN, fingernails, BONES,

lungs, trachea,

lymph nodes, tendons, and aorta" and Silicon is needed for the connective

tissues of the body such as the tendons, cartilage (the connective tissues of

collagen formation), blood vessels, nails, skin and hair, and IS ESSENTIAL FOR

THEIR INTEGRITY." and "The highest concentrations are found in the hair and

skin." and  "The highest concentrations of silicon, however, are found in the

skin and hair." and "Interestingly, the silicon content of the aorta, thymus,

and skin tends to decline with aging while in other tissues it does not." "The

declining silica levels in the skin with age goes back to my statement

of collagen breakdown leading to wrinkles because the skin loses elasticity

with loss of silica.



More quotes I did not post recently from Silica by Edward A. Lemmo, Ph.D.

"Aside from it's presence in osteobalsts and COLLAGEN, silica is found in

blood, skin, muscle, heart, liver, and thymus." " Since silica is a component

part of ground substance (a compound of carbohydrate and protein), it is

speculated that it my also play an important role in the formation of

collagen." "The high silica content of connective tissues apparently results

from the presence as an INTEGRAL COMPONENT of the glycosaminoglycans ( a

carbohydrate containing amino sugar) and the protein complexes that contribute

to its structural framework." "Collagen, the most abudant protein in the body,

is an extremely tough protein, WITH A RICH SILICA CONTENT." "Collagen is also a

major constitute of bone and cartilage." "As noted above, silica is essential

for collagen production and therefore aa decline in silica content in the sklin

leads to a weakening of hte collagen structure, resulting in the manifestations

of old skin."



>Silicone, OTOH, is absolutely *made* of silicon; it is part of the basic

>*structure* of the molecule. 



More quotes from Silica: "Human beings , animals and plants have an essential

need for silicon in the form of silica." and "Furthermore in many biological

studies, data, are given in the terms of 'silicon' rather than 'silica'."

"However, since there is little evidence that silicon occurs in any form other

than with oxygen, the preferred term used in North America is silica." I

suppose you would also call silicone "silicon" since silicon is part of hte

basic structure of hte molecule as silicon is in silicon dioxide? If you do,

you would be wrong again.



> You are playing rather fast and loose with

>your terminology, and making connections where there really aren't any.

>

>-Rich



No, I am just doing my research first before going on the attack about things I

do not understand. Something you apparently have not learned to do. If you had

done your homework first you would have known all the information I just posted

for you, and I would not have wasted all this time. This is why I hate to look

up references and post them for people, because they get ignored. I posted

references in my second posting, yet instead of looking in to the subject you

come out with an attack instead.

I have had various people write to me directly telling me that they wanted more

information, but they were afraid to post on NGs because of these unwarranted

attacks. It is a shame because I would like to see more interaction on these

NGs, and less of the "I know it all" attitude of the "resident experts". Noone

has all the answers, and we can learn from each other, but only if we wish to

learn. 





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Subject: Re: Chitosan

From: jsherw6704@aol.com (JSherw6704)

Date: 3 May 1999 02:43:05 GMT

--------













Chitosan is a fiber type of product made from shells and other products. It

blocks the absorption of fat, by binding to the fat. The fat is then passed

through the elimination process. 

It also blocks the asborption of vitamins A,D, K,E. It is important to take a

vitamin supplement containing these vitamins 2 hours prior to taking Chitosan.

I have seen great results with Chitosan. 

Another tidbit is that anyone who has shellfish sensitivies be aware that  this

product contains shellfish shells.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: CoEnzyme Q

From: jsherw6704@aol.com (JSherw6704)

Date: 3 May 1999 02:44:38 GMT

--------













COQ10, helps to regulate the heart, it helps to also strenghten it and it helps

with circulation. My internist is also in favor of it.

Thirty milligrams is preferred.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: osteoarthritis pain relief

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 3 May 1999 04:09:27 GMT

--------

>> For cartilage recovery you might want to add in gelatin (aka collagen)

hydrolysate to the other stuff you are taking. <<



Nick, doesn't Jello brand gelatin mix contain collagen? Do you think that will

help?



Irwin Green





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: osteoarthritis pain relief

From: balrog9@yahoo.com

Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:13:31 GMT

--------





Many times I've seen the plain old Knox unflavored gelatin being

highly recommended in the weightlifting groups.  Not sure if Knox's

unflavored has more collagen or if it is prefered because of the

extra calories found in the flavored varieties/brands.



Mike.





In article <19990503000927.18697.00002290@ng-ca1.aol.com>,

  irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen) wrote:

> >> For cartilage recovery you might want to add in gelatin (aka collagen)

> hydrolysate to the other stuff you are taking. <<

>

> Nick, doesn't Jello brand gelatin mix contain collagen? Do you think that will

> help?

>

> Irwin Green

>



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Subject: Re: osteoarthritis pain relief

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 3 May 1999 21:14:56 GMT

--------

>

>Many times I've seen the plain old Knox unflavored gelatin being

>highly recommended in the weightlifting groups.  Not sure if Knox's

>unflavored has more collagen or if it is prefered because of the

>extra calories found in the flavored varieties/brands.

>



It is mainly the sugar that you want to avoid since sugar can break down bone

tissue. Personally I would also like to avoid the artificial colorings, and the

aspartame in some Jello as well.

Bulk gelatin can be obtained as well. Just ask your local health food store to

order some for you. NOW sells bulk gelatin to health food stores.





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Subject: Re: osteoarthritis pain relief

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 4 May 1999 04:21:09 GMT

--------

>> It is mainly the sugar that you want to avoid since sugar can break down

bone tissue.  <<



Could the sugar be a factor in osteoporosis and/or osteomalacia?



Irwin





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: osteoarthritis pain relief

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 4 May 1999 09:35:29 GMT

--------

>>> It is mainly the sugar that you want to avoid since sugar can break down

>bone tissue.  <<

>

>Could the sugar be a factor in osteoporosis and/or osteomalacia?

>



Yes, but here are othe rfactors as well such as caffiene consumption, excess

phosphorus intake, lack of exercise, etc.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: osteoarthritis pain relief

From: rangerco@my-dejanews.com

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:44:21 GMT

--------

Sugar flushes minerals from the body.  Guess what

bones and joints are made of?  good luck.





In article

<19990504002109.04189.00001009@ng145.aol.com>,

  irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen) wrote:

> >> It is mainly the sugar that you want to avoid

since sugar can break down

> bone tissue.  <<

>

> Could the sugar be a factor in osteoporosis

and/or osteomalacia?

>

> Irwin

>







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Subject: Re: osteoarthritis pain relief

From: rangerco@my-dejanews.com

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:49:26 GMT

--------

Yes, Jello has it but processing, I am told, damages it.  Plain old

gelatin is what you want.  Flavorless.  Knox is the expensive stuff.

Sausage supply houses usually have it bulk for alot less money. good

luck.





In article <19990503000927.18697.00002290@ng-ca1.aol.com>,

  irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen) wrote:

> >> For cartilage recovery you might want to add in gelatin (aka

collagen)

> hydrolysate to the other stuff you are taking. <<

>

> Nick, doesn't Jello brand gelatin mix contain collagen? Do you think

that will

> help?

>

> Irwin Green

>





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Subject: GERD - Catnip & Aloe Vera

From: james0mack@aol.com.schpam (James0Mack)

Date: 3 May 1999 04:19:29 GMT

--------

I have acid reflux. The tests I've had done say there's no internal damage, but

that I definitely have acid reflux which isn't being controlled by prescription

medication. 

The doctors are now suggesting surgery--an idea that I don't particularly like

(and I don't understand why they are in such a hurry to hack me open). Anyway,

I'm guessing there are alternatives that haven't been explored.



I've heard that Catnip and Aloe Vera are both supposed to be good for the

stomach, as is Chamomile. This probably sounds stupid, but the only contact

i've had with aloe vera is for sunburn (the gel colored some funky shade of

green). What am I looking for? As for catnip ... I'm pretty clueless as well.

I've seen the capsules. Would that be my best bet? Should I stop at the pet

shop looking for tea ingredients?



I don't know if it's *supposed* to help, but Licorice Root seems to make me

feel better.



I've also heard that peppermint tends to actually create more problems with

stomach acid, and this does seem to be true for me.



any thoughts?



Jimmy

Any thoughts? Sy





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Subject: Re: GERD - Catnip & Aloe Vera

From: "marcus" <sales@tdinfo.com>

Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:19:27 +0800

--------

For aloe vera, you may get the "drink" from health food store and a lot of

online store.



you may also find the fresh leaf in supermarket. Just cut the leaf and take

the jelly inside. don't take the whole leaf for one time. start from 1/10 -

1/15 of a leaf.



or if you are living Texas, Florida..etc, you may from the aloe in your

neighbour's graden.



aloe vera is a very great herb!!



marcus, sales@tdinfo.com













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Subject: Re: GERD - Catnip & Aloe Vera

From: "Erica Suess" <erica@x-press.net>

Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 12:25:13 -0400

--------

I agree, definately try the Aloe juice.  Aloe juice has been used for

centuries for not only wounds and skin disorders, but internally for stomach

problems.  It doesn't taste very good, but definately worth it.





marcus <sales@tdinfo.com> wrote in message

news:7gm2mo$gk23@news.hk.linkage.net...

> For aloe vera, you may get the "drink" from health food store and a lot of

> online store.

>

> you may also find the fresh leaf in supermarket. Just cut the leaf and

take

> the jelly inside. don't take the whole leaf for one time. start from

1/10 -

> 1/15 of a leaf.

>

> or if you are living Texas, Florida..etc, you may from the aloe in your

> neighbour's graden.

>

> aloe vera is a very great herb!!

>

> marcus, sales@tdinfo.com

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: GERD - Catnip & Aloe Vera

From: james0mack@aol.com.schpam (James0Mack)

Date: 11 May 1999 02:14:13 GMT

--------

Thanks for all the great info. I really appreciate it. 



Aloe juice is on my list. 



Jimmy





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Subject: Re: Heart and Lungs

From: james0mack@aol.com.schpam (James0Mack)

Date: 3 May 1999 04:21:58 GMT

--------

>Get your uncle to a professional herbalist/naturopath/other healing modality.



How do you go about picking out a good one?



Jimmy





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Are ligustrum and reishi safe?

From: mikes688@webtv.net

Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 04:48:59 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Please - are ligustrum and reishi safe to take everyday? Thank you!



Mike.  mikes688@webtv.net







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Subject: Re: Regular Coffee Vs. Espresso

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 12:25:58 GMT

--------

marc33333@aol.com (Marc33333) wrote:





>                The question I have concerns the fact that espresso beans are

>roasted longer, and I presume this changes the lovely array of natural

>chemicals I am drinking compared to "regular" coffee. 'Tis the cup poison?



Marc - 

  Hey, it's 100% NATURAL!  The roasted seeds from a tropical

shrub, picked at their peak of ripeness.  Couldn't possible have

ANY ill effects if it's natural.  You could even load it with the

crystallized extract of a tropical grass's juice and it's still

100% natural.





Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: Regular Coffee Vs. Espresso

From: inertia@eden.au (Inertia Eden)

Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:22:37 GMT

--------

On Mon, 03 May 1999 12:25:58 GMT, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

wrote:



>marc33333@aol.com (Marc33333) wrote:

>

>

>>                The question I have concerns the fact that espresso beans are

>>roasted longer, and I presume this changes the lovely array of natural

>>chemicals I am drinking compared to "regular" coffee. 'Tis the cup poison?

>

>Marc - 

>  Hey, it's 100% NATURAL!  The roasted seeds from a tropical

>shrub, picked at their peak of ripeness.  Couldn't possible have

>ANY ill effects if it's natural.  You could even load it with the

>crystallized extract of a tropical grass's juice and it's still

>100% natural.

>



Deadly Nightshade and Datura are also natural.





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Allergies

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 12:27:52 GMT

--------

rendane@webtv.net wrote:



>Grass will soon be pollinating in Tennessee and I need help.  I want to

>get away from the twice yearly steroids.  Are there any herbs that are

>good for this?



I have found that taking Echinacea, daily, at about 1/3 the

recommended dosage (Nature's Way brand capsules) suppresses a lot

of nasal allergies. Start now, because the effect takes a couple

of weeks to build. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Allergies

From: Patricia Geer <pgeer@gpd.fulton.ny.us>

Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:49:39 -0400

--------

stinging nettle helps some people - i like it dried, in capsule form, but

you could also

drink it as tea.



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:



> rendane@webtv.net wrote:

>

> >Grass will soon be pollinating in Tennessee and I need help.  I want to

> >get away from the twice yearly steroids.  Are there any herbs that are

> >good for this?

>

> I have found that taking Echinacea, daily, at about 1/3 the

> recommended dosage (Nature's Way brand capsules) suppresses a lot

> of nasal allergies. Start now, because the effect takes a couple

> of weeks to build.

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional!







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Subject: Re: Herbs for Allergies

From: "Jeff & Jennifer" <jarm666@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 11:09:07 -0500

--------

Echinacea has  a boomerang effect on your immune system, do not take for

extended times.

Try Schizandra, Guarana and Green Tea.

I'm a Diabetic and asthmatic, these products have helped me in many

different ways.   I would also recommend using one brand of herbs.  Mixing

and matching could be harmful.

My wife is into Herbalife, if you wish to see our success stories visit

http://www.naturestech.com

Hope this helps!

JD

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:372e95db.1827976@news.primenet.com...

> rendane@webtv.net wrote:

>

> >Grass will soon be pollinating in Tennessee and I need help.  I want to

> >get away from the twice yearly steroids.  Are there any herbs that are

> >good for this?

>

> I have found that taking Echinacea, daily, at about 1/3 the

> recommended dosage (Nature's Way brand capsules) suppresses a lot

> of nasal allergies. Start now, because the effect takes a couple

> of weeks to build.

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional!









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Subject: Re: Herbs for Allergies

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 8 May 1999 22:02:18 GMT

--------

>Try Schizandra, Guarana and Green Tea.

>I'm a Diabetic and asthmatic, these products have helped me in many

>different ways. 



I agree with the use of schisandra berries for the treatment of allergies, but

not guarana. Guarana contains a lot of caffeine which will weaken the adrenal

glands lowering the production of epinephrine by the adrenals. This can

actually make allergies and asthma worse in the long run. In a pinch though a

strong caffeine source can sometimes stop an asthma attack. The hospitals use

IV theophylline for the same purpose to treat an asthma attack. Cyclic

adenosine monophoshate (cAMP), produced in the cells, can stop an asthma

attack. Though cAMP is broken down by a liver enzyme. So the thophylline is

given to block the liver enzyme from breaking down the cAMP. Other

methylxanthines, such as caffeine and theobromine, which are nearly identical

to caffeine work in the same manner.





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Allergies

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 06:18:42 GMT

--------

On Sat, 8 May 1999 11:09:07 -0500, "Jeff & Jennifer" <jarm666@ix.netcom.com>

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>different ways.   I would also recommend using one brand of herbs.  Mixing

>and matching could be harmful.



That is simply NOT TRUE.



>My wife is into Herbalife, if you wish to see our success stories visit

>http://www.(snip).com



Which probably is why you said that you use one brand only. Sheesh,

entrepreneurs... please note that herbalife has little if anything to do with

real herbalism.



Henriette

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Subject: Re: Herbs for Allergies

From: "Kevin" <khigh@megsinet.net>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:54:37 -0400

--------

Here's a recipe I have been using for the last week or so and it seems to

work.  I live in Ohio and allergy season is starting.  I tried making a tea,

but it was too bitter(even with adding honey), so I mixed into capsules.



2 parts fenugreek

1 part horehound

1/2 part black cohosh

1/8 part lobelia herb.









Jeff & Jennifer wrote in message <7h1ntt$gt@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>...

>Echinacea has  a boomerang effect on your immune system, do not take for

>extended times.

>Try Schizandra, Guarana and Green Tea.

>I'm a Diabetic and asthmatic, these products have helped me in many

>different ways.   I would also recommend using one brand of herbs.  Mixing

>and matching could be harmful.

>My wife is into Herbalife, if you wish to see our success stories visit

>http://www.naturestech.com

>Hope this helps!

>JD

>Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>news:372e95db.1827976@news.primenet.com...

>> rendane@webtv.net wrote:

>>

>> >Grass will soon be pollinating in Tennessee and I need help.  I want to

>> >get away from the twice yearly steroids.  Are there any herbs that are

>> >good for this?

>>

>> I have found that taking Echinacea, daily, at about 1/3 the

>> recommended dosage (Nature's Way brand capsules) suppresses a lot

>> of nasal allergies. Start now, because the effect takes a couple

>> of weeks to build.

>>

>> Tsu Dho Nimh

>>

>> We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional!

>

>









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Subject: Re: Herbs for Allergies

From: ladyhawkna@aol.com (Ladyhawkna)

Date: 24 May 1999 10:58:24 GMT

--------

I have been taking Echinecea for a good while now.  what do you mean it has a

boomerang effect on the

system??????????????????????????????????????????????????Nancy..  

LADYHAWKNA





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Allergies

From: oreandra <oreandra@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:39:51 GMT

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  rendane



I used to have pretty bad allergies. I was diagnosed when I was 6 and

by age 8 I was breaking out in hives to the piont that I had to be

rushed to the emergency room because my throat would start to close. I

was on psuedoephedrine and diaphenhydramine along with steriod shots and

the (i don't recall what they're called) immunity shots.  Since age 8 I

was takeing the aforementioned overthe counter med 4-6 times dialy and

more when the symptoms occured.



FInally I got sick of all that and started seeking out an herbalist.

(always was interested) She had me go on a fruit fast (although I

cheated with coffee:) for 10-15 days and sold me some RAW LOCAL (within

50miles) honey (also note that the honey is for pollen allergies alone)

along with some echineacea, chamomile(sp), mullien and a few others.

Also I decided to quit the meds cold turkey.



The result of all this for me is that I have better over all health

(I've had 1-2 weeks of sickness in the last two years, compared to 1

month (at least) a year) and the worst trouble I've had with allergies

is a little sniffling now and again.



If you need more specific instuction or suggestions I would say find

your local herbalist (becoming easier to find with the growth in the

alternative meds industry) and discuss the specifics of your case. you

may be suggested to change your diet as well. From your post I'm

assuming this is a seasonal allergy which is pollen related. The

herbalists I have run into are more than happy to discuss such things

without charge.





good luck



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Subject: Flaxseed oil used in depression and BP illness

From: LyndaNPremovespam@bigfoot.com (Lynda)

Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 08:33:14 -0400

--------

Greetings fro NC!



Has anyone had any experience with flaxseed (as an adjunct med) oil used

to treat depression and cycling in Bipolar Dosoreder. What are the

recommended doses? I have read that 10 grams/day is suggested.



Thank you.

Lynda (LyndaNP@bigfoot.com)



Reach beyond your grasp!





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Subject: Re: Flaxseed oil used in depression and BP illness

From: "Syd Baumel" <sgb@escape.ca>

Date: 03 May 99 11:01:16 -0600

--------

>Greetings fro NC!



>Has anyone had any experience with flaxseed (as an adjunct med) oil used

>to treat depression and cycling in Bipolar Dosoreder. What are the

>recommended doses? I have read that 10 grams/day is suggested.



>Thank you.

>Lynda (LyndaNP@bigfoot.com)



>Reach beyond your grasp!



I'd recommend checking out Donald Rudin's how-to books in this area before

proceeding.  He's the doctor who introduced the approach around 20 years ago.

People with BP are perhaps the ones who need to use the oil most cautiously.

Rudin himself has found that LSO -- typically at doses of two or more

tablespoons a day -- makes quite a high proportion of patients euphoric,

hyperactive, manic or hypomanic and may have triggered severe rapid-cycling in

one (she was only taking one tbsp a day). This doesn't mean that people with BP

(or a family history of same) can't benefit from LSO, only that they probably

must try it at a very conservative dosage, ideally under medical supervision and

with knowledge of the other complementary components of Rudin's program. 

Perhaps (and this is just me speculating) ground flax seed would be a better

balanced and less "pharmacologic" (as in producing side effects) alternative to

large doses of the pure oil. Flax seed is about 50% oil.



Syd

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Subject: Re: Flaxseed oil used in depression and BP illness

From: Victoria Dragon <victoria_dragon@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:03:48 GMT

--------



> Has anyone had any experience with flaxseed (as an adjunct med) oil used

> to treat depression and cycling in Bipolar Dosoreder. What are the

> recommended doses? I have read that 10 grams/day is suggested.



I don't know about Bi-Polar, but you may want to check the book Beyond Prozac

for info on omega-3 and depression. One cause of depression (not all cases,

just some)is believed to be a high number of a particular kind of "bad"

prostaglandin (PG).  The "bad" is in quotes because the body sometimes needs

"bad" PGs in order to survive.	But sometimes, the body makes too many "bad"

PGs and when not appropriate because of genetics or age, infection, too much

insulin, and/or excessive consumption of hyrogenated/ partially hydrogenated

fats. Omega-3 tilts the body toward making more of the "good" than the "bad".



There's also some info in the book about how too many "good" PGs can also

cause problems. And some info on supplementing with omega-3 and omega-6 at

the same time.



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Subject: Re: Flaxseed oil used in depression and BP illness

From: "Marvin L. Zinn" <marvinlzinn@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:11:04 EDT

--------

Lynda,





In article <1dr7zmy.x6up904blenwN@4oaksm2.nortel.net>, Lynda wrote:

> Has anyone had any experience with flaxseed (as an adjunct med) oil used

> to treat depression and cycling in Bipolar Dosoreder. What are the

> recommended doses? I have read that 10 grams/day is suggested.

>

   I have never heard of using flax oil for such purposes. Usually it is 

to lower cholesterol, or as a preventive against heart disease or cancer. 

I have been using 2-3 tablespoons full a day for a couple years to keep 

arthritis in check, and it works very well in combination with other 

dietary precautions.

   

                   marvinlzinn







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Subject: Re: Flaxseed oil used in depression and BP illness

From: mpd@mindspring.com (Jim)

Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 13:36:13 GMT

--------

And, is there any information (not hype; I can find plenty of that) on

increasing "good" prostaglandins to counteract anxiety? I've started

using Evening Primrose Oil but without any conclusions so far.





LyndaNPremovespam@bigfoot.com (Lynda) wrote:



>Greetings fro NC!



>Has anyone had any experience with flaxseed (as an adjunct med) oil used

>to treat depression and cycling in Bipolar Dosoreder. What are the

>recommended doses? I have read that 10 grams/day is suggested.



>Thank you.

>Lynda (LyndaNP@bigfoot.com)



>Reach beyond your grasp!









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Subject: Re: Flaxseed oil used in depression and BP illness

From: Victoria Dragon <victoria_dragon@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 23:42:59 GMT

--------



> And, is there any information (not hype; I can find plenty of that) on

> increasing "good" prostaglandins to counteract anxiety? I've started

> using Evening Primrose Oil but without any conclusions so far.



The only thing that the EPO (omega-6 source) is going to do is increase the

TOTAL number of all PGs. This is exactly what some people need as they lack

enough of all PGs.



However, there are factors which tilt your body toward making more of the

"bad" than the "good". The main ones are age, insulin (can be a factor for

some hypoglycemics), infection (can be a big problem for people with chronic

or recurring infections), and the consumption of hydrogenated or partially

hydrogenated fats. And, some people may be genetically predisposed to make

more "bad" than "good".



If a person who is making too many "bad" PGs for whatever reason takes only

EPO, that can make the person sicker as all those building blocks for making

PGs are going primarily into making more "bad" PGs. Most people get the best

benefits from taking an omega 3 source along with the EPO.  A few get the best

results just from taking omega-3, particularly fish oil. The omega-3 tilts the

body toward making more of the "good" than the "bad" PGs.



And, there are a few people who have a problem with too many "good" PGs.

Supplementation with omega-3 usually is not a good idea for them.



The "good" and the "bad" are in quotes because sometimes the body needs the

"bad" PGs in order to survive. It's just that some people tend to make too

many of the "bad" ones at inappropriate times, especially if they are

consuming a diet high in hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated fats.



If you choose to ignore a consideration of "good" and "bad" PGs, don't be

surprised if the EPO either doesn't work or increases your problems. There are

no one size fits all vitamin, mineral, or herbal therapies.



As for using EFAs to treat anxiety, there can be many causes of anxiety,and

there is NO ONE treatment that is going to be effective in all cases. Using

omega-3 (fish oil, flaxseed, etc) to treat anxiety is usually the most

effective when the anxiety is caused by slight breathing problems which are

being triggered by sensitivities to food and/or too many "bad" PGs. (The

omega- 3 will NOT work on IgE-mediated allergies, but often will help in the

case of what some allergists term "non-IgE-mediated allergies" and other

allergists call "food sensitivities".) And, if this is the cause of your

anxiety, you need to see a regular doctor for monitoring and treatment in

addition to learning all you can about alternative treatments.



Usually in the case of case of "nerves", magnesium and calcium should be

looked into as a deficiency of either of these can result in "nervousness".

(And quite a few other potential problems.) If for some reason you're

foregoing dairy products and/or eating a lot of meat, this may be a factor. 

Green leafy  vegs like mustard greens are a good source of Mg.



A need for B vitamins can also cause anxiety.



pH inbalance can trigger anxiety.  The best known example is respiratory

alkalosis.  (Hyperventilation is only one of the possible triggers for

respiratory alkalosis. Diet can play a factor too.)



These are some of the more common physical things that can be the basis of

anxiety.



Victoria Dragon





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Subject: Re: Flaxseed oil used in depression and BP illness

From: Whosis@what.com (Whosis)

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:19:51 GMT

--------

Victoria Dragon <victoria_dragon@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

>The only thing that the EPO (omega-6 source) is going to do is increase the

>TOTAL number of all PGs. This is exactly what some people need as they lack

>enough of all PGs.



>However, ...



Wow! Extremely good information yet clear as mud and probably with

good reason, i.e., no cookie cutter answers to "curing" anxiety. For

several days now I've taken one 500mg epo 30 to 45 minutes prior to

turning out the lights for sleep and for the first time I'm sleeping

through the entire night. I'm pretty sure it's not a placebo effect

(long story).  So, I guess the bottom line is that *so far* the epo is

good for easing the anxiety I experience.







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Subject: Re: Flaxseed oil used in depression and BP illness

From: t_mex <t_mex@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:27:15 GMT

--------



> Wow! Extremely good information yet clear as mud and probably with

> good reason, i.e., no cookie cutter answers to "curing" anxiety



If she had known you were reading this thread and that EPO helps you

she could have skipped the info on other causes for other readers.



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Subject: Re: Flaxseed oil used in depression and BP illness

From: Victoria Dragon <victoria_dragon@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 05:05:54 GMT

--------



> Wow! Extremely good information yet clear as mud and probably with

> good reason, i.e., no cookie cutter answers to "curing" anxiety. For

> several days now I've taken one 500mg epo 30 to 45 minutes prior to

> turning out the lights for sleep and for the first time I'm sleeping

> through the entire night. I'm pretty sure it's not a placebo effect

> (long story).  So, I guess the bottom line is that *so far* the epo is

> good for easing the anxiety I experience.



A lot of people on the alt.herbs message group are healers who are here

to learn exactly when something will work and when it won't. A symptom

can have many possible causes, and what helps one person may not help

or may even hurt another because the underlying cause of the symptom is

different.  It's irresponsible for a healer not to be aware of the

possible underlying causes of a particular symptom and the different

treatments for different people. No herbalist - or any other healer -

can pinpoint a cause and treatment over a message group.  So what a lot

of people on here will do is give readers ideas on things to consider

and look into in case a particular treatment isn't working or is

causing problems.



I'm glad the EPO is helping you.  But not everyone with anxiety has the

same underlying cause that you have. And, there are a lot of people

reading this message group besides you. To suggest EPO for every person

with anxiety is irresponsible because it won't help some cases of

anxiety and in some cases it will make anxiety worse. Many of the

regular posters on this message group are professional herbalists and

will go into detail about when a particular treatment will not work and

why it won't work or even hurt.



If the concept of not everyone being your genetic twin and reacting

like you do is too hard to grasp, I suggest you stick with the simpler

posts - like those horrible spammed ads promising one miracle cure for

everything from acne to flat feet for everyone. And lose the sarcasm.



Victoria Dragon





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Subject: Re: Flaxseed oil used in depression and BP illness

From: "Syd Baumel" <sgb@escape.ca>

Date: 15 May 99 23:00:28 -0600

--------

>> And, is there any information (not hype; I can find plenty of that) on

>> increasing "good" prostaglandins to counteract anxiety? I've started

>> using Evening Primrose Oil but without any conclusions so far.



>The only thing that the EPO (omega-6 source) is going to do is increase the

>TOTAL number of all PGs. This is exactly what some people need as they lack

>enough of all PGs.



Actually, EPO can only increase the 1- and 2-series of PG's, not the omega-3-

derived 3-series.



>However, there are factors which tilt your body toward making more of the

>"bad" than the "good". The main ones are age, insulin (can be a factor for

>some hypoglycemics), infection (can be a big problem for people with chronic

>or recurring infections), and the consumption of hydrogenated or partially

>hydrogenated fats. And, some people may be genetically predisposed to make

>more "bad" than "good".



Eating factory farmed (i.e. grain fed) meat may be the major cause of the 2-

series PG excess in our society.  Because the animals are fed omega-6-rich grain

rather than the omega-3-rich grass they normally would munch on, their cellular

membranes become abnormally well-endowed with arachidonic acid (AA), the

linoleic acid-derived precursor to the "bad" (inflammatory, platelet

aggregatory, anxiogenic, depressogenic, bipolarogenic? <g>...) 2-series of PG's.

Cutting away the fat makes no difference: the AA is in the membranes of EVERY

cell.



>If a person who is making too many "bad" PGs for whatever reason takes only

>EPO, that can make the person sicker as all those building blocks for making

>PGs are going primarily into making more "bad" PGs. Most people get the best



Possibly, but the theory is that EPO makes it easier for the body to right the

imbalance between the excess of (probably in most cases) AA-derived 2-series

PG's and the deficiency of the "good" 1-series.



>benefits from taking an omega 3 source along with the EPO.  A few get the

>best results just from taking omega-3, particularly fish oil. The omega-3

>tilts the body toward making more of the "good" than the "bad" PGs.



This seems to be the most generally promising approach for fatty-acid

unbalanced Westerners: increase omega-3 intake, decrease arachidonic acid

intake (to reduce 2-series PG's), and, if necessary, take GLA supplements like

EPO or blackcurrant or borage oil to further right the imbalance.  Also, as you

suggested, avoid processed or hydrogenated oils like the plague.  And limit

saturated fat intake.



>And, there are a few people who have a problem with too many "good" PGs.

>Supplementation with omega-3 usually is not a good idea for them.



>The "good" and the "bad" are in quotes because sometimes the body needs the

>"bad" PGs in order to survive. It's just that some people tend to make too

>many of the "bad" ones at inappropriate times, especially if they are

>consuming a diet high in hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated fats.



Again, I would say look to your meat source (if you insist on eating the stuff).



>If you choose to ignore a consideration of "good" and "bad" PGs, don't be

>surprised if the EPO either doesn't work or increases your problems. There

>are no one size fits all vitamin, mineral, or herbal therapies.



>As for using EFAs to treat anxiety, there can be many causes of anxiety,and

>there is NO ONE treatment that is going to be effective in all cases. Using

>omega-3 (fish oil, flaxseed, etc) to treat anxiety is usually the most

>effective when the anxiety is caused by slight breathing problems which are

>being triggered by sensitivities to food and/or too many "bad" PGs. (The

>omega- 3 will NOT work on IgE-mediated allergies, but often will help in the

>case of what some allergists term "non-IgE-mediated allergies" and other

>allergists call "food sensitivities".) And, if this is the cause of your

>anxiety, you need to see a regular doctor for monitoring and treatment in

>addition to learning all you can about alternative treatments.



Can you point me to any evidence for the omega-3/food sensitivity effect?



>Usually in the case of case of "nerves", magnesium and calcium should be

>looked into as a deficiency of either of these can result in "nervousness".

>(And quite a few other potential problems.) If for some reason you're

>foregoing dairy products and/or eating a lot of meat, this may be a factor.

>Green leafy  vegs like mustard greens are a good source of Mg.



>A need for B vitamins can also cause anxiety.



>pH inbalance can trigger anxiety.  The best known example is respiratory

>alkalosis.  (Hyperventilation is only one of the possible triggers for

>respiratory alkalosis. Diet can play a factor too.)



>These are some of the more common physical things that can be the basis of

>anxiety.



>Victoria Dragon





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Subject: Re: Help: kava kava

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 3 May 1999 15:12:42 GMT

--------

>This newcomer would like to know what SJW is, if you have a moment.  Thanks.



St John's Wort





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Subject: Re: Help: kava kava

From: "John Norgaard" <norgaard@image.dk>

Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:38:35 +0200

--------

As I has understood it St. John's Wort is more for treating depressions,

where kava kava is a stress reliever

that as well removes some of the 'blockings' as for ones openness toward

other people. Kava makes one

more social - I have not tried St. John's Worth, though, just read something

about it.



John



Bilherbs <bilherbs@aol.com> wrote in message

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> >This newcomer would like to know what SJW is, if you have a moment.

Thanks.

>

> St John's Wort









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Subject: Re: standardized

From: OLD Bluesman <sax50man@aol.com>

Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 09:24:13 -0700

--------

what were they sued for?



Brownswan wrote:



> Perhaps they've cleaned up their act, but I've been told by my MD that GNC has

> been sued many times.  I don't trust them, myself.











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Subject: Good to improve memory?

From: mikes688@webtv.net

Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 13:33:46 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Please - what can be used to improve memory? If expensive, what less

expensive alternative is available? What would help alzheimer's? Thank

you!



Mike.  mikes688@webtv.net







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Subject: Re: Good to improve memory?

From: "Michael Flynn" <michael@bayberry.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:41:59 +0100

--------

 Rosemary helps with concentration, but not sure if it improves memory!

<mikes688@webtv.net> wrote in message

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> Please - what can be used to improve memory? If expensive, what less

> expensive alternative is available? What would help alzheimer's? Thank

> you!

>

> Mike.  mikes688@webtv.net

>









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Subject: Re: Good to improve memory?

From: LyndaNPremovespam@bigfoot.com (Lynda)

Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:18:16 -0400

--------

<mikes688@webtv.net> wrote:

Hi Mike,



Vitamin E, 100IU and Ginko Biloba are nw being used to treat Alzheimer's

disease and other kinds of dementia. The controlled studies results were

very positive with subjcts showing increase in memory. This info was

presented at a medical conference I attende in the winter.



Peace,

> Please - what can be used to improve memory? If expensive, what less

> expensive alternative is available? What would help alzheimer's? Thank

> you!





-- 

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Subject: Re: Good to improve memory?

From: baird@gate.net (Baird Stafford)

Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 02:03:28 -0400

--------

Lynda <LyndaNPremovespam@bigfoot.com> wrote:



> Vitamin E, 100IU and Ginko Biloba are nw being used to treat Alzheimer's

> disease and other kinds of dementia. The controlled studies results were

> very positive with subjcts showing increase in memory. This info was

> presented at a medical conference I attende in the winter.



Another thing that seems to help improve memory, according to a cover

story _Newsweek_ did on Alzheimer's sometime during the latter part of

last year, is an amino acid called Acetyl L-carnitine.  The stuff is

fairly expensive - 30 capsules costs $30.00US at my local GNC (less

discount for a Gold Card, of course) but I got it to try to help my

mother, who was fretting about loss of memory, and she swears it does

help.  I take it for other reasons but *think* it has helped improve my

own memory (it's hard to tell when loss of same hasn't yet made itself

boldly evident).



Blessed be,

Baird





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Subject: Re: Good to improve memory?

From: "marcus" <sales@tdinfo.com>

Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 23:18:43 +0800

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old chinese formular to improve memory :



Zizyphus seed, dang gui, dioscoera root,

cistanche stem, schizandra fruit, ginseng root, bamboo resin, biota seed.



good for agitation, poor memory, fatigue, dizziness, sleepnessless



if you know chinese herbs, you may prepare by yurself. Or, you can get the

medicine from chinese grocery (Healthy Brain Pills).



marcus, sales@tdinfo.com











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Subject: Re: Good to improve memory?

From: "Stephen W. Anderson" <swa@rockymountnc.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:38:39 -0400

--------

Radha Stirling <Radha@futurecorp.co.uk> wrote in message

news:373093A4.6E72FF58@futurecorp.co.uk...



> I hear Super Lecithin is good for the memory.



I think I heard that, but I can't really remember.



In what way, though, is "Super Lecithin" distinct from plain ol' lecithin?

Or is that a question one shouldn't ask?



--

Stephen W. Anderson

Rocky Mount, NC











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Subject: Re: Good to improve memory?

From: "MindSpring User" <rjmozer@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:41:40 -0400

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Gotu kola and rosemary for remembrance.



Betsy













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Subject: Re: Good to improve memory?

From: inertia@eden.au (Inertia Eden)

Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:21:17 GMT

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On Mon, 3 May 1999 13:33:46 -0400 (EDT), mikes688@webtv.net wrote:



>Please - what can be used to improve memory? If expensive, what less

>expensive alternative is available? What would help alzheimer's? Thank

>you!

>

>Mike.  mikes688@webtv.net



For age related memory loss Ginko Biloba may be of help as it improves

circulation of blood to the bodies extremeties.



You may wish to try Ginsing or an expensive and rare one is the roots

of Bacopa Monnieri







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Subject: Re: Good to improve memory?

From: gggmd2bee@aol.com (GGG MD2BEE)

Date: 5 May 1999 01:22:01 GMT

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Ginkgo seems to be helpful for Alzheimer's dementia.  A well done study was

published in  JAMA about a year ago showed a benefit in testing and in

caregiver surveys.  There are reports of life threatening  bleeding with Ginkgo

when taken with other anticoagulants (coumadin, heparin, and aspirin).   Anyone

who thinks they may suffer from dementia should see a doctor to make sure there

is not another cause of their memory problems (such as hypothyroidism, B12

deficiency, syphilis, HIV, etc).  Check with your doctor before starting any

supplement including Ginkgo.  Ginkgo's use for memory in healthy adults has not

been well studied.  There is some literature from Europe but it is poorly

designed an inconclusive.  For more info see www.supplementalmed.com.  





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Subject: Re: Good to improve memory?

From: inertia@eden.au (Inertia Eden)

Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:21:24 GMT

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On 5 May 1999 01:22:01 GMT, gggmd2bee@aol.com (GGG MD2BEE) wrote:



>Ginkgo seems to be helpful for Alzheimer's dementia.  A well done study was

>published in  JAMA about a year ago showed a benefit in testing and in

>caregiver surveys.  There are reports of life threatening  bleeding with Ginkgo

>when taken with other anticoagulants (coumadin, heparin, and aspirin).   Anyone

>who thinks they may suffer from dementia should see a doctor to make sure there

>is not another cause of their memory problems (such as hypothyroidism, B12

>deficiency, syphilis, HIV, etc).  Check with your doctor before starting any

>supplement including Ginkgo.  Ginkgo's use for memory in healthy adults has not

>been well studied.  There is some literature from Europe but it is poorly

>designed an inconclusive.  For more info see www.supplementalmed.com.  



I will testify for this, i cut the tip of my finger. I had been taking

ginko for about two weeks+ and had taken an asprin in the morning, my

blood was very thin and this small cut would not stop bleeding. 45

minutes later it stopped. What happened to the clotting. Also some

people take asprin to help thin the blood but I believe ginko is far

superior. It may also be of benefit to people prone to strokes and

related disorders.







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Subject: Re: Good to improve memory?

From: suemilham@aol.com (Sue milham)

Date: 25 May 1999 00:23:15 GMT

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How much did you take?



>From: inertia@eden.au (Inertia Eden)

>Date: Tue, May 11, 1999 6:21 PM

(snip)

>I will testify for this, i cut the tip of my finger. I had been taking

>ginko for about two weeks+ and had taken an asprin in the morning, my

>blood was very thin and this small cut would not stop bleeding. 45

>minutes later it stopped. What happened to the clotting. Also some

>people take asprin to help thin the blood but I believe ginko is far

>superior. It may also be of benefit to people prone to strokes and

>related disorders.

Sue M.





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Subject: Re: Good to improve memory?

From: "Edmund M. Jakopchek" <emja@usa.net>

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 21:53:41 -0700

--------

mikes688@webtv.net wrote:

> Please - what can be used to improve memory? If expensive, what less

> expensive alternative is available? What would help alzheimer's? Thank

> you!

Mike,



I have enjoyed good success with a Ayurvedic mixture called Mentalin

from MetaGenics.  Both short term and long term memory improvements and

a bonus, my dreams are enhanced.  Now I am trying to figure out what

would be the best cycle to go on to keep my body from getting used to

these.  Suggestions would be helpful...



Here is the mix:

Bacopa plant, Gotu Lola Leaf, Trailing Eclipta Leaf, Indian Gall Fruit,

Awhwagandha Root, Amla Fruit, Beleric Myrobalan Fruit, Heart-leaved

Moonseed root, Convolulus Whole plant, Indian Valerian Leaf, Nutmeg

Fruit, Shatavari Root, Cardamom Seed, Ginger Root, Indian Spoikenard

root, Giant Potato root.



Ed J.





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Subject: Re: Good to improve memory?

From: "Jeff & Jennifer" <jarm666@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 11:19:49 -0500

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DHA (Docosahexzenoic Acid) an essential fatty acid present in the brain, and

Phosphatidylserine, an important component of neurons.

My wife had me try "Ultimate Ginko" Herbalife brand which has above

ingredents, and found that it really works!   She has a website if you would

like more information.   http://www.naturestech.com

JD

<mikes688@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:42-372DDDFA-385@newsd-614.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

> Please - what can be used to improve memory? If expensive, what less

> expensive alternative is available? What would help alzheimer's? Thank

> you!

>

> Mike.  mikes688@webtv.net

>









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Subject: Re: Natural medicine

From: metaphorSPAMBLOCK@usaor.net (Stewart/sna)

Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:25:37 -0700

--------

"Jodie Hayes" <jhayes@masterlink.com> wrote:

>I was looking for a site online to order natural medicine and found this.

>Hope this helps someone who is looking

>http://www.wwnh.com





I don't understand your usenet posting history.  It seems that you have

made over 500 posts to dozens of different usenet newsgroups in the last

couple of years, and ALL of them are just like this one, in that they

direct readers to various sites where they can purchase various products.



What's up with that??



Sincerely

Stewart



-- 

The Metaphor Man  *and*  The Great Defender of the Self



metaphorSPAMBLOCK@usaor.net     or    anon-7619@anon.twwells.com

(remove the SPAMBLOCK)



Please send me an e-mail copy of your posted response.





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Subject: Re: Contraindications for astragalus?

From: "robyn james" <robyn@hnhc.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 00:18:15 +0100

--------

Astragalus is an immune system enhancer. The debate about whether this means

it is contraindicated or specifically indicated in autoimmune disease is

still ongoing. You will get totally opposite answers depending on who you

ask. Autoimmune disease is still very poorly understood. So if it is

believed to be a result of an overactive immunity then you would not want

herbal remedies that stimulate this. If however, you believe it to be a

result of a depressed immunity producing large quantities of nonspecific

antibodies then an immune system enhancer is just what you need. Personally,

I would say you should see a local herbalist of good repute and see if she

can convince you to go with her vision. The overall strategy is the

important thing, and usually, most contraindications are really only

important when herbs are used as drug substitutes, rather than as part of a

coherent holistic approach.

mikes688@webtv.net wrote in message

<910-372D5DE8-257@newsd-612.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

Please - can astragalus be taken with an autoimmune disease? Any other

contraindications? Thank you!



Mike.  mikes688@webtv.net











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Subject: Re: Kava & St Johns Wort

From: docherbs@aol.com (Docherbs)

Date: 4 May 1999 02:52:53 GMT

--------

I agree with the previous post.  Most supplemental medicine remedies are not

well studied and may pose significant risk to a fetus.  If your wife suffers

from depression and anxiety her doctor may have some safe treatments, but I

would steer clear of alternative agents.



 Kava has been used predominately for anxiety.  Its mechanism of action is

unknown.  There can be some significant side-effects with high doses, similar

to patients who use alcohol.  Saint Johns Wort has been used for depression and

may  be effective.  It may work similar to some other traditional

antidepressants.  The combination of these agents have not been studied, though

 as described in another post, they are often taken together.  For more info on

these two agents please visit www.supplementalmed.com.





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Subject: Re: Kava & St Johns Wort

From: "John Norgaard" <norgaard@image.dk>

Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:48:16 +0200

--------

Perform a search on the net and you will see that there has indeed been alot

of studies of kava kava and

how it works. I know that kava kava is a very mild herb and that the bad

effects of it is not coming near to those of for instance valium -

grogginess, addictiveness  etc. The medicines prescribed by doctors valium

etc. are the real unhealthy ones and they are addictive which kava kava

isn't. However anything should be used with

wisdom. If you eat 50kg of chocolate you will probably also become sick etc.

In the same way a pregnant woman shouldn't smoke, drink alcohol or take

narcotics etc. I know that for extreme doses of kava there may be some bad

effects, but please don't compare it with alcohol. Instead compare it with

valerina, camomille and other mild herbs.



John



Docherbs <docherbs@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990503225253.24945.00003196@ng-fi1.aol.com...

> I agree with the previous post.  Most supplemental medicine remedies are

not

> well studied and may pose significant risk to a fetus.  If your wife

suffers

> from depression and anxiety her doctor may have some safe treatments, but

I

> would steer clear of alternative agents.

>

>  Kava has been used predominately for anxiety.  Its mechanism of action is

> unknown.  There can be some significant side-effects with high doses,

similar

> to patients who use alcohol.  Saint Johns Wort has been used for

depression and

> may  be effective.  It may work similar to some other traditional

> antidepressants.  The combination of these agents have not been studied,

though

>  as described in another post, they are often taken together.  For more

info on

> these two agents please visit www.supplementalmed.com.









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Subject: Re: Kava & St Johns Wort

From: gggmd2bee@aol.com (GGG MD2BEE)

Date: 5 May 1999 23:25:27 GMT

--------

Again, there is no confirmation on the biochemical mechanism of Kava in humans.

 The active compount has been identified and its molecular weight is known.

Last time I checked, The exact way it works in the brain is not known.  The

problems with Kava and its addictive potential have been described by analysis

of cultures where  Kava is used as a receational beverage.  This is most

apparent in Aboriginal communities in Australia where Kava users were more

likely to complain of poor health, a "puffy" face, and were more likely to have

a scaly rash. Heavy users were 20% underweight with 50% less body fat, with

blood test suggesting malnutrition, immunodeficiency, and liver damage

(Mathews, 1988). A scaly rash also has been described in a case report where a

lymphocytic attack was seen on sweat glands where kavapyrones had concentrated

(Jappe, 1998). There may be a synergistic reaction with some tranquilizers

(benzodiazepines) given a case report of coma associated with simultaneous use

of kava and xanax (Almeida, 1996)  My appologies for not being more clear when

I reported the side effects can be similar to alcohol.  This information was

obtained by performing a medline search of peer reviewed medical journals.  





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cat Nip & Cats

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 4 May 1999 04:16:58 GMT

--------

Could someone please explain how or why Cat Nip has such an effect on cats?



TIA, Irwin





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Subject: Re: Cat Nip & Cats

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 4 May 1999 14:14:14 GMT

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>Could someone please explain how or why Cat Nip has such an effect on cats?

>

>TIA, Irwin



Can't explain it but it sure is great to watch!



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Cat Nip & Cats

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:00:09 GMT

--------

irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen) wrote:



>Could someone please explain how or why Cat Nip has such an effect on cats?



If you notice, it only begins to have an effect on them when they

reach puberty.  A compound in the herb is very similar to a

pheromone produced by female cats in heat.  



  Not all cats react, and not all that react do so with the

insane antics.  One of mine would settle into the feet folded 

neditation position with his nose right over the pile of catnip

and go into a blissful trance for about an hour.

Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: Cat Nip & Cats

From: "Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:47:35 -0400

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Supposedly it has the same effect that LSD has on humans.  I shall go and

see if I can find some info.  <s>



--

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

~Unknown.

IrwinGreen wrote in message <19990504001658.04189.00001004@ng145.aol.com>...

>Could someone please explain how or why Cat Nip has such an effect on cats?

>

>TIA, Irwin









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Subject: Re: Cat Nip & Cats

From: "TJ" <TJ@nospamearthling.net>

Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:41:06 -0500

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Don't know why it affects them, but mint does the same thing. My cats LOVE

mint. It makes them Crazy! Looks like they have fun that's for sure.

--

All things considered, Insanity may be the only reasonable alternative.









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Subject: Re: Cat Nip & Cats

From: "Ellen Thielmann" <e.thielmann@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:42:40 -0400

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Gives 'em a kitty buzz.  I have two cats, and dry my own catnip.  I cut up

an old shear and made a bag to suspend from a ribbon and a "body pillow".

Sit back and watch 'em go!  I have a little trouble keeping the male cat

from next door in his own yard, so I break off a fresh branch, rub it on HIS

driveway and leave the branch for him to play with.  Won't see him until it

rains!!!  I wouldn't give it to them in too large doses, though.  I've heard

it can also make them sick if overexposed, but I've never witnesses it.



IrwinGreen <irwingreen@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990504001658.04189.00001004@ng145.aol.com...

> Could someone please explain how or why Cat Nip has such an effect on

cats?

>

> TIA, Irwin









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Subject: Re: Cat Nip & Cats

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 03:25:10 GMT

--------

"Ellen Thielmann" <e.thielmann@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>Gives 'em a kitty buzz.  I have two cats, and dry my own catnip.  I cut up

>an old shear and made a bag to suspend from a ribbon and a "body pillow".

>Sit back and watch 'em go!  I have a little trouble keeping the male cat

>from next door in his own yard, so I break off a fresh branch, rub it on HIS

>driveway and leave the branch for him to play with.  Won't see him until it

>rains!!!  I wouldn't give it to them in too large doses, though.  I've heard

>it can also make them sick if overexposed, but I've never witnesses it.



  I had four kittens rip open a 4-ounce plastic container of

"Cosmic Catnip" one night and indulge themselves ... the

AcapulcoGold of catnip, bred for it's effect on cats and

harvested at the peak of its strength.  They lay around for most

of the next day in total exhaustion, but suffered no ill effects.

Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: Cat Nip & Cats

From: "Evelyn Ruut" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:12:02 -0400

--------



IrwinGreen wrote in message <19990504001658.04189.00001004@ng145.aol.com>...

>Could someone please explain how or why Cat Nip has such an effect on cats?

>

>TIA, Irwin



No idea, but I do know they love it.   Too bad it doesn't work the same on

people.... we could use a little bit of some perfectly legal happy stuff

couldn't we?



Evelyn









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbal body wraps

From: CHI <frettls@dhc.net>

Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:26:31 -0700

--------

Is there someone who can give me a tried and true recipeit for an herbal

body wrap?

Any variety and techniques will be apreciated.   Thank you in

advance...........

                                                            CHI







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Subject: Fish oil for bipolar disorder & depression (was Re: Flaxseed oil used in depression and BP illness)

From: mnng@iname.com (Matti Narkia)

Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 07:30:32 GMT

--------

Mon, 3 May 1999 08:33:14 -0400 in article

<1dr7zmy.x6up904blenwN@4oaksm2.nortel.net> LyndaNPremovespam@bigfoot.com

(Lynda) wrote:

>

>Has anyone had any experience with flaxseed (as an adjunct med) oil used

>to treat depression and cycling in Bipolar Dosoreder. What are the

>recommended doses? I have read that 10 grams/day is suggested.



I don't know about use of flaxseed oil for depression or bipolar disorder,

but there has been some studies with another omega-3 fatty acid source:

fish oil. Rcently in a clinical trial conducted at Harvard University

found fish oil effective against bipolar disorder. The study will be

published this month in a major medical journal and a news report about it

can be found from the Washington Post's web page



Fish Oil May Aid Against Manic Depression

Study Attributes Dramatic Improvement in Patients to

Omega-3 Fatty Acids in Supplements

http://www.washingtonpost.com:80/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-04/27/105l-042799-idx.html



A brief citation:



 ""The group taking the fish oil was performing strikingly better than

 the placebo group, including significantly longer periods of

 remission," said Andrew L. Stoll, director of the

 Psychopharmacology Research Laboratory at Harvard Medical

 School/McLean Hospital. "A decision was made to stop the trial on

 ethical grounds."



 Based on those promising findings, Stoll said, the National

 Institutes of Health (NIH) has given preliminary approval for a

 larger fish oil trial starting this summer. That trial, at McLean

 and Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, would include 120 people

 suffering from manic depression and would last for three years.



  "If this works, it would be one of the most exciting findings in

 psychiatry in the past 20 years," said Jerry Cott, chief of the

 psychopharmacology research program at the National Institute of

 Mental Health. "This is the first time we would be testing a

 nutritional supplement that appears to be having efficacy about to

 the degree of a synthetic medication.""





Web links about fish oil and depression:



Docosahexaenoic acid fights depression

http://vvv.com/healthnews/ddiet6.html

http://199.60.118.2/HealthNews/ddiet6.html



Fish oil seen cutting risk of mental illness 

http://www.boston.com:80/dailyglobe/globehtml/247/Fish_oil_seen_cutting_risk_of_menta.shtml



Researchers: Fat in the diet may affect mental ability

http://cnn.com:80/HEALTH/9809/04/fat.brains/



Fish May Cast Away Depression

 - Fish Oil Compounds Can Effect Seratonin Levels

 - Consumption Of Oil May Reduce Depression

http://www.cbs.com:80/prd1/now/template.display?p_story=77828&p_who=network





MedLine references:



Joseph R Hibbeln. Fish consumption and major depression. The Lancet,

Volume 351, Number 9110 18, April 1998. 

http://www.thelancet.com/newlancet/r0eg/issues/vol351no9110/correspondence1213_1.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=9643729&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b



Peet M, Murphy B, Shay J, Horrobin D. Depletion of omega-3 fatty acid

levels in red blood cell membranes of depressive patients. Biol Psychiatry

1998 Mar 1;43(5):315-319 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=9513745&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b



Edwards R, Peet M, Shay J, Horrobin D. Omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acid

levels in the diet and in red blood cell membranes of depressed patients.

J Affect Disord 1998 Mar;48(2-3):149-155 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=9543204&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b



Maes M, Smith R, Christophe A, Cosyns P, Desnyder R, Meltzer H. Fatty acid

composition in major depression: decreased omega 3 fractions in

cholesteryl esters and increased C20: 4 omega 6/C20:5 omega 3 ratio in

cholesteryl esters and phospholipids. J Affect Disord 1996 Apr

26;38(1):35-46 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=8735157&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b



Adams PB, Lawson S, Sanigorski A, Sinclair AJ. Arachidonic acid to

eicosapentaenoic acid ratio in blood correlates positively with clinical

symptoms of depression. Lipids 1996 Mar;31 Suppl:S157-S161 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=8729112&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b



Hibbeln JR, Salem N Jr. Dietary polyunsaturated fatty acids and

depression: when cholesterol does not satisfy. Am J Clin Nutr 1995 Jul

62:1 1-9

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=7598049&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b



Hibbeln JR, et al. Essential fatty acids predict metabolites of serotonin

and dopamine in cerebrospinal fluid among healthy control subjects, and

early- and late-onset alcoholics.  Biol Psychiatry. 1998 Aug

15;44(4):235-42. 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=9715354&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b



Hibbeln JR, et al. A replication study of violent and nonviolent subjects:

cerebrospinal fluid metabolites of serotonin and dopamine are predicted by

plasma essential fatty acids. Biol Psychiatry. 1998 Aug 15;44(4):243-9. 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=9715354&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b





--

Matti Narkia





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Subject: Re: Fish oil for bipolar disorder & depression (was Re: Flaxseed oil used in depression and BP illness)

From: alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no (Alf Christophersen)

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 03:08:56 GMT

--------

mnng@iname.com (Matti Narkia) wrote:



>I don't know about use of flaxseed oil for depression or bipolar disorder,

>but there has been some studies with another omega-3 fatty acid source:

>fish oil. Rcently in a clinical trial conducted at Harvard University

>found fish oil effective against bipolar disorder. The study will be

>published this month in a major medical journal and a news report about it

>can be found from the Washington Post's web page





It may be also interesting that it has been found that cyclooxygenase

may be hyperactive in schizophrenic patients. Do have a look at



 Das I, et al.           [See Related Articles] 

     Increased arachidonic acid induced platelet chemiluminescence

indicates cyclooxygenase overactivity in schizophrenic subjects. 

     Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 1998 Mar;58(3):165-8. 

     PMID: 9610837; UI: 98272393.



Abstract:

Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids 1998 Mar;58(3):165-8 



Increased arachidonic acid induced platelet chemiluminescence indicates

cyclooxygenase overactivity in

schizophrenic subjects.



Das I, Khan NS



Department of Psychiatry, Imperial College School of Medicine, London,

UK. 



Platelets were found to emit a burst of chemiluminescence during

incubation with arachidonic or linoleic acid. This chemiluminescence

response may indicate activation of the enzyme

prostaglandin synthase in the arachidonate-induced platelet

chemiluminescence as it is inhibited by aspirin. Stimulation of

platelets with arachidonic acid and linoleic acid induced a

concentration dependent chemiluminescence response. Platelets from drug

naive schizophrenic subjects showed significantly increased arachidonic

acid metabolism compared to control

subjects. No significant difference was observed between schizophrenic

and control subjects in the chemiluminescence response to linoleic acid.

In schizophrenic subjects treated with

neuroleptic drugs the overactive arachidonic acid response was

normalized. Linoleic acid chemiluminescence response was unaffected by

neuroleptic treatment. Hyperactive

cyclooxygenase activity may reflect a similar condition in the brain and

implicates prostaglandin pathway abnormalities in the pathogenesis of

schizophrenia. 



PMID: 9610837, UI: 98272393 



This mean that fish oil also here may have an interesting effect since

it is an inhibitor of PG2 syntesis by competing for the active site as

an alternative susbtrate. It binds strongly to the catalytic site and is

a very poor substrate, giving a Vm of about 10% of arachidonate as

substrate. (And a Km at a round 10% og Km of arachidonate)





---------------------------------

Alf Christophersen, Computer engineer

University of Oslo

Tel. +47 22 85 13 27, Fax: 22 85 15 32

URL: http://www.uio.no/~achristo





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Using Ground Seeds For Fatty Acids

From: Kevin <donamet@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 02:35:56 -0500

--------

Steve wrote:

> 

> I just read Udo Erasmus' book FATS THAT KILL, FATS THAT HEAL.

> 

> He has made his own blend of oils as an essential fatty acid

> supplement.  The supplement is flax based, with other oils to balance

> flax's low omega-6 content and add some other things.

> 

> Its costly and hard to keep.

> 

> I was wondering if I could just make a blend of freshly ground seeds to

> get these fatty acids.

> 

> Any advice?

> 

> Steve

> someone34@geocities.com  ICQ #: 15754141



-------------------------------





Most people are lacking in the omega 3 

efa's to begin with and if they arent they

probably wouldnt be supplementing with efa's

in the first place. So taking an efa supplement

is just that to supplement. And most people

have very low levels of omega 3 and to

restore these levels in the body would require

you to supplement with something very high

in omega 3, much higher than the optimum ratio

to restore levels back in the body and swing this ratio back in balance. 

as well as balance out the other fat in your daily

diet.

I dont like Udo's choice oil.

udos choice would be very well suited for

someone who has consumed an ideal ratio

of omega 3 to omega 6 diet for their

whole life and is not deficient and is going 

to switch from this already ideal diet and 

remove the fat from it and replacing it with udos choice

which would be silly as the fat in their diet 

is already ideal and wouldnt require supplementing

in the first place !





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cats Claw with clustered water~need info, please

From: dgsaba@aol.com (DGSABA)

Date: 4 May 1999 12:47:00 GMT

--------



Morning Mapickle...and anyone else who can post back some information...Need

more info on Cats Claw, please. ( Uncario tomentosa )



Found this one, http://www.catsclaw.com  but it does not go into deep detail.



Brent Davis DC is my Chiropractor and Herbalist here in Tn. This site refers to

him and his uses of cats claw. Brent goes to Peru yearly.My insurance won't

pick up my visits, so I haven't been to him in awhile. 



I'm starting Cats Claw Formula C-400 today.  It is through the latest in

magnetic resonance technology, the water molecules in C-400 have been clustered

for improved metabolic effciency.  



Has anyone else tried this and if so can you share your info please.



Thanks, Diana











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.support.arthritis,misc.health.arthritis

Subject: Re: Ayurvedic Herbs For Osteoarthritis?

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:01:44 +0100

--------

Steve wrote:

> 

> I was flipping through the May-June 1999 issue of ARTHRITIS TODAY( page

> 48 )in my PT's office.

> 

> It had a lot of good and solid things to say about an ayurvedic 4 herb

> combination for treating the inflamation with either rheumotoid or

> osteoarthritis.

> 

> The herb combo is:

> 1. ginger

> 2. tumeric

> 3. frankincense

> 4. ashwagandha

> 

> I've been taking spoonfuls of just ginger for a while and I've found it

> to be a decent antinflammatory, though my body builds a tolerance to it

> quickly.........so I only take it when I need it .  Anyway I am

> interested in this ayurvedic combo

> 

> Anyone know where I can get information on:

> 1. the proportions these herbs need to be combined in?

> 2. dosages to take and the time required to notice a difference?

> 3. do you take this stuff everyday or only when you get bad pain?

> 4. will your body build a tolerance?

> 



Hi Steve



Was at a herby/nutritional conference and attended a talk by a guy from

a US extract producer concerning Boswellia serrata (frankinsense).  I

won't say the name 'cause I don't need da flame, but anyway, I don't

think they make any finished products so it won't mean anything. 



He had some "proper" in vivo studies (double blind, placebo controlled

lah di dah, decent sample sizes) demonstrating some nice

antiinflammatory results across the board on the subjective arthritis

tests (pain, flexibility etc) but also good results on the ESR tests

too.  



They had some research on the causative action and - my notes are

sketchy - but the boswellic acids in frankinsense interfere with the

chemistry of the inflammatory response (blocking leukotrine formation? 

could that be right?).



Recommended final dosage was 600mg of total boswellic acids/day (so if

you wanted to follow this you'd need to get an extract stndzd to total

boswellic acids in order to be able to dose correctly).  For use every

day, not just on flare-ups. Gently in and gently out same as all

arthritis meds.  No GI problems reported.  



Speaking to the dude after his talk he immediately said better results

came with a combination with Curcuma longa (turmeric) but I didn't get

any concrete details on this (I guess they don't make that one!).  I'm

generally super leery of company presentations (ie blatant adverts) but

I was happy enough with the apparent integrity of this one. 



Hope that helps.



Nick



ps - crossposting back to the arthritis groups but I don't (have time

to) read them too.  You'll have to mail any comments.





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Subject: Re: Ayurvedic Herbs For Osteoarthritis?

From: David Schwarten <the-gooms@home.com>

Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:37:21 GMT

--------





I take a combination of tumeric and boswellia. I don't know if it helps

as I have been afraid to stop it, recent bad flares, etc.

Go to healthy.com, info and a marketplace if you decide to buy.

No affliation, honest.

Susan





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Subject: Re: Rosewater

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:37:03 GMT

--------

Two recipes for Rose Petal Wine.  These are both from books written by H.E.

Bravery and published in the '60's and '70's.  I'm afraid both assume some

knowledge about the general techniques of wine-making; I'd include those as

well but they run to several pages (and my arthritis has been kicking in

hard lately).  I have included Bravery's comments for interest.  Text

enclosed in [brackets] are my comments.



----



Rose Petal Wine (from "Successful Wine making At Home", published 1962).



"One of the most delightful of all flower wines.  The petals of roses of

various colours may be used in one lot of wine, but if you have enough of,

say, both red and yellow for a separate lot of each, do keep them separate.



"3 qts. rose petals (strongly scented if possible), 1 gal. water, 3 lb.

sugar, 1 oz. [wine] yeast, 2 lemons.



"Pour half a gallon of boiling water over the petals in the fermenting

vessel, cover well and leave for forty-eight hours, stirring often.



"Boil half the sugar in a quart of water for two minutes and when this is

cool add to the petal mixture and ferment for three days.



"Strain and wring out well, and return the liquor to the fermenting vessel

and let it ferment for a further ten days.



"Pour the liquor into a gallon jar, leaving as much of the deposit behind as

you can.  Then boil the rest of the sugar and water as before and when cool

add to the rest together with the juice of the lemons.  Cover again as

directed or fit fermentation lock and leave until all fermentation has

ceased."



[My comments:  This simple recipe would likely make any modern amateur wine

maker cringe.  The resulting wine may be satisfactory but would be better if

tartaric acid were used to add acidity instead of the lemons.  Bravery

mentions elsewhere in the book the importance of absolute cleanliness,

proper use of the fermentation lock, etc.  You can obtain this sort of

general information on technique in any beginners book on wine or beer

making.  Be sure to spring for a real wine yeast, and don't ever use the

sort sold for baking, as the latter will never settle out and will leave the

"wine" very cloudy and strongly yeast-flavored.  Also, I added a bit of

"yeast nutrient" to the must, as the yeast must have a source of nitrogen

and phosphorus, etc to flourish.  He didn't mention it, but the yeast can be

added at any point after the liquid has cooled after the first addition of

sugar.]





--------------



Rose-petal Wine (from "The Complete Book of Home Winemaking", published

1973).



"Rose petals make delightfully aromatic wines of distinction.



"2 quarts rose petals

1/4 pint strong tea [for a touch of astringency, missing from the earlier

recipe]

1/4 bottle synthetic must [I understand this is a commercial combination of

wine nutrients and fruit acids available in England; substitutes can be

purchased in other forms from winemaking suppliers]

2 lemons [still the lemons! I prefer a little tartaric acid]

2 to 2 1/2 lbs. sugar

3 fully ripe bananas

1/4 teaspoon Pectozyme [another English product, this is nothing more than a

natural enzyme that dissolves any pectins and starches left in the wine by

the addition of fruit.  There are substitutes widely available.  The pectins

and starches will cause trouble with clearing if left in.]

yeast of your choice [WINE yeast, that is]

nutrient

approx. 1 gallon of water as in method



"Put the petals in the fermenting vessel.  Boil half the sugar in 6 pints of

water for 2 minutes and while very hot pour over the flowers and cover

immediately.  When it has cooled, add the strained lemon juice, tea,

nutrient, yeast, and synthetic must.  Cover as advised for all other wines

and ferment for 8 days, stirring daily.



"After 4 days, peel and pulp the bananas, and boil them for 5 minutes in 1

pint of water.  When this has cooled, add to the rest and add the Pectozyme.

Cover again as before and after 8 days strain and wring out tightly and

return strained wine to cleaned fermenting vessel.



"Boil remaining sugar in 1/2 pint of water for 2 minutes and when it has

cooled, add it to the rest.  Leave covered as before for a further 3 to 4

days.



"Pour carefully into a gallon jar, leaving as much deposit behind as you

can.  Fill up the jar with cooled boiled water to where the neck begins, fit

a fermentation lock, and leave until all fermentation has ceased."



------



Hope this helps.  Good luck!



-Rich



Sara <timespace@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:7fo9e3$9hf$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...

> Please DO share your recipe for rosepetal wine!

>

> --

> Winters know

> Easily to shed the snow

> And the untaught Spring is wise

> In cowslips and anemonies.

> Nature, hating arts and pains,

> Baulks and baffles plotting brains;

> Casualty and Surprise

> Are the apples of her eyes;

> But she dearly loves the poor,

> And by marvel of her own,

> Strikes the loud pretender down.

> For Nature listens in the rose

> And hearkens in the berry's bell

> To help her friends, to plague her foes,

> And like wise God she judges well.

>

> - Ralph Waldo Emerson (1904)

>

> Richard Ogden wrote in message ...

> >Would you be interested in a recipe for Rose Petal Wine?  Sounds strange,

I

> >know, and I've only made it once (when I came across a huge climbing pink

> >rose at an abandoned farmhouse) but the resulting wine is absolutely

> >delicious - flavor not at all like the rose scent, but just as ethereal,

> and

> >quite unlike anything else I've experienced.  It does require a small

> outlay

> >for equipment and a little careful preparation, but it's well worth it.

> >

> >-Rich

> >

> >J & J <jlr54@pipeline.com> wrote in message

> >news:371ead27.93000476@news.pipeline.com...

> >> On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:37:18 -0400, "Stephen W. Anderson"

> >> <swa@rockymountnc.com> wrote:

> >>

> >> >If it weren't easier to buy it than to make it yourself, there

wouldn't

> >be a

> >> >market for it.

> >>

> >> Actually, Rich's post did help. He said, "Some people make a

> >> pseudo-rosewater by soaking rose petals in cold or warm water...<snip

> >> warnings>". Now I know that I would be better off buying it than

> >> trying to make it, at least for the purposes I had in mind. (Or until

> >> I can find someone to make a still, which shouldn't be too hard in

> >> Mississippi. <g>)

> >> I didn't explain in my post is that I sometimes have an abundance of

> >> roses. I was trying to think of ways to making them last longer than 3

> >> days. I also get gardenias all at once. Anyone have suggestions on

> >> what to do with these?...That doesn't involve a still? I have an

> >> espresso maker. :)

> >> Julia

> >> --"This wasn't in the brochure."--Billy Crystal

> >

> >

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: UK herbalists needed

From: Carol <carol@btinternet.com>

Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:33:14 +0100

--------

Hi



I am setting up anew publishing venture in the UK and I need qualified

practitioners of herbalism, homeopathy, aromatherapy and other natural

therapies to join us as expert consultants and writers.  The office is

probably going to be based in Hertfordshire, but some home-working will

be possible.  Both full tiem and part time positions are available.



If you are interested, please email me on carol@btinternet.com with your

qualifications, experience and areas of interest.



Many thanks



Carol Dukes





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Vertigo

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:13:24 GMT

--------

HerbAssist <herbassist@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990423225950.01576.00001282@ng-ck1.aol.com...

> >> valerian has nothing to do with valium.  So what would be the herbal

> >> equivalent/substitute for valium?

> >

>

> >What makes you think there is one?

> >

> >-Rich

> >

>

> Gamma amino butyric acid (GABA) is a neurotransmitter inhibitor. A dose of

> 750mg is said to be the equivelant of a valium. That is why the FDA had a

ban

> on htat dosage for a long time. Does that answer your question Rich?



Well, no, as a matter of fact, it doesn't.  Unless I am badly misinformed,

GABA is not an "herb".



-Rich











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Vertigo

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 4 May 1999 20:49:51 GMT

--------

>> >> valerian has nothing to do with valium.  So what would be the herbal

>> >> equivalent/substitute for valium?

>> >

>>

>> >What makes you think there is one?

>> >

>> >-Rich

>> >

>>

>> Gamma amino butyric acid (GABA) is a neurotransmitter inhibitor. A dose of

>> 750mg is said to be the equivelant of a valium. That is why the FDA had a

>ban

>> on that dosage for a long time. Does that answer your question Rich?

>

>Well, no, as a matter of fact, it doesn't.  Unless I am badly misinformed,

>GABA is not an "herb".

>

>-Rich



I'm sorry if I misread the post, I was refferring to the fact that there are

alternative substitutes for valium. I did not read close enough to see you were

looking for herbal substitutes. I guess I should have said something like

lady's slipper instead. And no I am not advocating the use of htis herb since

it is endangered.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Info on Catnip - what it does to cats

From: "Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:22:34 -0400

--------



Article:

The scent of catnip excites cats because it contains a chemical oil (in the

leaves) called trans-neptalactone, which is closely related to something

secreted by the queen or unneutered tom, most often in the urine. Catnip

seems to affect whole toms (i.e. unneutered male cats) most strongly. But it

also affects some queens and neutered males.



I found this on a website -

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/8008/ACATFORUM.HTML

it doesn't seem to be commercial, rather nicely done, and I have no

connection with them whatsoever.  I found it through an Alta Vista Search.

Hope this helps!

--

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

~Unknown.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: info please

From: "Sue Klaassen" <animals@pangea.ca>

Date: 5 May 1999 03:18:37 GMT

--------

Hi there



I somehow deleted the response from Chris & Beth about newbie.

I was wondering if anyone could tell me some great web sites and

books on how to and transplanting.  I would really appreciate it

if you could give me the info.



Thanks

Sue Klaassen





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Asarum officinale?

From: rkhen@softhome.net

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 04:50:07 GMT

--------

Can anyone give me the current species name of the plant that used to be

called Asarum officinale?



Thanks,





--

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Writer and Photographer



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Subject: Re: Asarum officinale?

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:23:40 GMT

--------

The Asarums are a genus collectively referred to as Wild Ginger.  See

http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/g/ginwil14.html



-Rich



<rkhen@softhome.net> wrote in message

news:7goilu$ljf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com...

> Can anyone give me the current species name of the plant that used to be

> called Asarum officinale?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> --

> RK Henderson

> Writer and Photographer

>

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Indian Herbs

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 01:17:18 -0700

--------

Does any one have a good source for obtaining dry roots of sumbul

(Ferula sumbul)?  Also does any one have experience using Bacopa?... j

o  s    h







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Indian Herbs

From: rosemarie <knots@mint.net>

Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 20:24:03 GMT

--------

Welcome back.

Haven't heard of Ferula sumbul or Bacopa.

Are these Native American Indian herbs?

-Rosemarie





In article <372FFE8E.7A1B6C6B@sprynet.com>,

  skullcap@m2.sprynet.com wrote:

> Does any one have a good source for obtaining dry roots of sumbul

> (Ferula sumbul)?  Also does any one have experience using Bacopa?... j

> o  s    h

>

>



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Subject: Re: Indian Herbs

From: "Hakim Chishti" <hakim@chishti.com>

Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 23:09:07 -0400

--------



http://www.herbsusa.com/in-h-svm1.html



Herbs USA has Ferula Sumbul Root listed for sale at $5.50 to $16.50 per

kilogram.



- info@herbsusa.com



Fax: 312-986-9142 / 312-986-2915

Tel: 312-986-9140



Hakim Chishti



rosemarie <knots@mint.net> wrote in message

news:7gvi4u$t8l$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Welcome back.

> Haven't heard of Ferula sumbul or Bacopa.

> Are these Native American Indian herbs?

> -Rosemarie

>

>

> In article <372FFE8E.7A1B6C6B@sprynet.com>,

>   skullcap@m2.sprynet.com wrote:

> > Does any one have a good source for obtaining dry roots of sumbul

> > (Ferula sumbul)?  Also does any one have experience using Bacopa?... j

> > o  s    h

> >

> >

>

> --

> _______________________________________________________________________

>

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Indian Herbs

From: "Suze" <loom@alphalink.com.au>

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:47:04 +1000

--------

And all the best with it too Josh, don't forget to wear a flower

in your hair!





Joshua Muscat wrote in message

<3737D125.9EE1FEFF@sprynet.com>...

>

>

>Suze wrote:

>

>> G'day Josh,

>> nice to have you back, hope you had a nice time away

>>

>

>Hi, thanks for the kind greeting.  Unfortunately I will not be

posting

>nearly as often now because school is almost over and I will be

focusing

>on geting my practice going again in San Francisco.  I will pop

in from

>time to time however with ocasional periods of heavy posting.

It has

>been a real experience interacting with folks here on the

boards.  In

>one respect it has been real scary noticing how cavileer pople

can be

>about bandying about health care information, and on the other

hand it

>has been a joy to interact with folk who are really passionate

about

>herbs even if we disagree.  My wish is that we can continue to

pursue

>herbal knowledge with the best interest of the health of people

and

>plants sharing equal priority.  My curent dream is to get the

Haight

>Ashbury free clinic in San Francisco to start offering herbal

health

>care... well, no one asked about all this I supose... I just

thought I

>would throw it oput there.  Take care... j o  s    h

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Etidorhpa, The End of Earth, by John Uri Lloyd

From: Michael Ravnitzky <mikerav@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:08:10 +0000

--------

I have an 1895 copy of Etidorhpa, The End of Earth by John Uri Lloyd for

sale on ebay, reasonably priced at:



http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=100090422



This is actually the 1895 author's printing, and may be the first

psychedelic novel.  Lloyd was the foremost pharmacist in America and was

extremely influential in the establishment of the field of herbal

medicine.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Etidorhpa, The End of Earth, by John Uri Lloyd

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 19:47:58 GMT

--------

On Wed, 05 May 1999 09:08:10 +0000, Michael Ravnitzky <mikerav@ix.netcom.com>

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>I have an 1895 copy of Etidorhpa, The End of Earth by John Uri Lloyd for

>sale on ebay, reasonably priced at:

>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/(snip)

>This is actually the 1895 author's printing, and may be the first

>psychedelic novel.  Lloyd was the foremost pharmacist in America and was

>extremely influential in the establishment of the field of herbal

>medicine.



...or, if you really believe you need to own everything J U Lloyd ever wrote,

buy it on bibliofind.com; you'll find about ten different volumes of the

Etidorhpa book there, priced from USD 3.00 on up. I'm not sure a work of

"Science Fiction" (classification by one of the bookstores on bibliofind) is of

interest to alt.folklore.herbs, but I -am- sure ebay ads have NOTHING to do

here.



Cheers

Henriette



--

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              -+- olde Eclectic tomes added Mar99 -+-

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Folk names of Herbs

From: keshi@hotbot.com

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:07:56 +0100

--------

Greetings,



	Could anyone recommend a good source for folk names of herbs with a

Latin-name cross reference?



Thank you,

Keshi





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Folk names of Herbs

From: "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 18:19:33 GMT

--------

Many good herbals that are in print already include a section where the

botanical and the common names are cross indexed (a large one is Grieve's

herbal). An old standard that serves mainly as  a cross index Latin to

English Common Names, English Common Names to Latin, and also including

German Common Names is "J.M. Nickell's Botanical Ready Reference". It is a

little out of date (turn of the century). I am told it is has been recently

(1976) been reprinted by Trinity Center Press, PO Box 335, Beaumont, CA

92223. I've used these two as an amateur, but probably there are better

newer ones available, especially on the internet. Good luck!









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: keshi@hotbot.com

Subject: Re: Folk names of Herbs

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 22:13:17 -0400

--------

Scott Cunningham's "Encyclopedia of Magical Herbs" has a decent cross

reference.



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



keshi@hotbot.com wrote:



> Greetings,

>

>         Could anyone recommend a good source for folk names of herbs with a

> Latin-name cross reference?

>

> Thank you,

> Keshi







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Folk names of Herbs

From: rosemarie <knots@mint.net>

Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 21:27:24 GMT

--------

Keshi,

"The Herb Book" by John Lust has a Comprehensive Botanical Index with a plant

index that lists plants alphabeticly by folkname name and then another list

which lists them alphabeticly by Latin name; a very good cross reference.



"Stearn's, Dictionary of Plant Names for Gardeners" by William T. Stearn

distributed in the USA by Sterling Publishing Co. Inc., 387 Park Avenue South,

NYC 10016-8810  lists every Latin plant name or part of a plant name

alphabeticly and immediately gives the folkname and meaning/definition and at

the back of the book there is an extensive list of plants by folkname and its'

Latin name.



I also have a b ooklet titled "Herbs- A cross-referenced list of common

versus up-to-date scientific names, including nearly 800 species,varieties

and cultivars." compiled by Jim Wilson, Horticulturist (yes, from public TV's

Victory Garden). Can't remember how I purchased it but the pamphlet lists a

book titled "Landscaping With Herbs" written by Jim Wilson and published by

Houghton Mifflin Company. Might be worth pursuing.



Good luck!



_Rosemarie





In article <373050BC.569C2166@hotbot.com>,

  keshi@hotbot.com wrote:

> Greetings,

>

> 	Could anyone recommend a good source for folk names of herbs with a

> Latin-name cross reference?

>

> Thank you,

> Keshi

>



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Subject: Stop Smoking with Ephedra???

From: "Darrell Turner" <scapes@bellsouth.net>

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:33:44 GMT

--------

I know that ephedra is useful as a decongestant. I am also aware of its

weight loss claims. What I want to know is if anyone has first hand

knowledge of its effectiveness in  decreasing cigarette cravings?









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Subject: Re: Stop Smoking with Ephedra???

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 01:36:31 GMT

--------

"Darrell Turner" <scapes@bellsouth.net> wrote:



>I know that ephedra is useful as a decongestant. I am also aware of its

>weight loss claims. What I want to know is if anyone has first hand

>knowledge of its effectiveness in  decreasing cigarette cravings?



  Well, it would certainly make the jittery feeling get worse.  

There are herbs that can east the cravings, but I don't think

ephedra is one. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: Stop Smoking with Ephedra???

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:46:45 GMT

--------

"Ellen Thielmann" <e.thielmann@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>What herbs will ease the cravings?????  DEFINITELY want to know this one!!!



Skullcap is one.  I've never smoked, do haven't had to learn

them.  Many herb shops sella "stopsmoking" blend for a tea.



Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: Stop Smoking with Ephedra???

From: m8636@abc.se (Staffan Nielsen)

Date: 8 May 1999 20:16:58 GMT

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh (abacaxi@hotmail.com) wrote:

> "Ellen Thielmann" <e.thielmann@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



> >What herbs will ease the cravings?????  DEFINITELY want to know this one!!!



> Skullcap is one.  I've never smoked, do haven't had to learn

> them.  Many herb shops sella "stopsmoking" blend for a tea.



Please, what is Skullcap in Latin?



S.





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Subject: Re: Stop Smoking with Ephedra???

From: harouffd@top.net (Don )

Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:25:54 GMT

--------

m8636@abc.se (Staffan Nielsen) wrote:



>

>Please, what is Skullcap in Latin?

>

>S.

Scutellaria lateriflora is one type



Don





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Subject: Re: Stop Smoking with Ephedra???

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 19:06:59 -0500

--------

I used blood purifying herbs. Addictions are in the blood. Clean, pure blood, no addiction. I had no withdrawals. The problem I did have was the hand to mouth habit. That about drove me nuts, so I took some stress relieveing herbs to ease that. Took me two weeks to stop the hand to mouth habit.



-- Kay



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Subject: Re: Stop Smoking with Ephedra???

From: "Ellen Thielmann" <e.thielmann@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 20:50:59 -0400

--------

What blood purifying herbs were you concentrating on?  And what might their

effect be if used in conjunction with Zyban, at least for the first month or

two?  I've come the closest to success with the Zyban, but still didn't

quite get there.  I assume the stress relieving herbs were of the SJW / kava

nature.  And since that hand to mouth is such a problem for EVERY potential

smoke free individual, does anyone know of something that helps there?  And

don't say willpower, PLEASE!



slade or kay henson <nohow-noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message

news:_aqY2.206$84.72049@homer.alpha.net...

> I used blood purifying herbs. Addictions are in the blood. Clean, pure

blood, no addiction. I had no withdrawals. The problem I did have was the

hand to mouth habit. That about drove me nuts, so I took some stress

relieveing herbs to ease that. Took me two weeks to stop the hand to mouth

habit.

>

> -- Kay

>

>   --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

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>   --  slade   at   http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade

>









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Subject: Re: Stop Smoking with Ephedra???

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:30:38 -0700

--------

check out this webpage and substitute tobacco related words for alcohol

www.rational.org/recovery









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Subject: Re: Stop Smoking with Ephedra???

From: CHI <frettls@dhc.net>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:32:55 -0700

--------

I have had personal experience with smoking and alchohol. I started with a

nightly tea of

chamomile"strong"  and in the morning a tincture of angelica sensis, anise,

cinimon, and

chamomile.  the combo of both of these seem to make alcohol and cigi's

taste like crap,

and the desire for them is dampened.  It worked for me.  I used two types

of angelica, but

dont remember the second, sorry.      Good luck.......

                                                            CHI



ma pickle wrote:



> check out this webpage and substitute tobacco related words for alcohol

> www.rational.org/recovery







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To: "Darrell Turner" <scapes@bellsouth.net>

Subject: Re: Stop Smoking with Ephedra???

From: <spirit@taconic.net>

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:34:44 -0400

--------

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In article <cFYX2.2825$W_1.541884@news3.mia>, Darrell Turner

<scapes@bellsouth.net> wrote:



> I know that ephedra is useful as a decongestant. I am also aware of its

> weight loss claims. What I want to know is if anyone has first hand

> knowledge of its effectiveness in  decreasing cigarette cravings?





Ephedra is a serious herb with potentialy harmful side effects if taken

by the wrong person. These include heart palpitations and arrythmias.

Generally this herb can make folks feel wired and nervous. Not exactly

what I'd want for someone t5o help them stop smoking.-Lonny S. Jarrett





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Subject: Re: Stop Smoking with Ephedra???

From: AlwaysAngelic <Ilene@white-star.com>

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:59:37 +0100

--------





spirit@taconic.net said:

>> I know that ephedra is useful as a decongestant. I am also aware of its

>> weight loss claims. What I want to know is if anyone has first hand

>> knowledge of its effectiveness in  decreasing cigarette cravings?

>

>

>Ephedra is a serious herb with potentialy harmful side effects if taken

>by the wrong person. These include heart palpitations and arrythmias.

>Generally this herb can make folks feel wired and nervous. Not exactly

>what I'd want for someone t5o help them stop smoking.-Lonny S. Jarrett

>



Just to tag on here...  I used ephedra and ephedrine for years in an

attempt to lose weight.  I was smoking while I was using these as well.

I wouldn't recommend it for someone WHILE they are smoking or WHILE they

are trying to quit.  One thing I found was it made my blood pressure

raise considerably.  Thankfully, I got off the ephedra before I quit

smoking -- I would have been a complete wreck if I'd tried while I was

taking it.  

IMHO, ephedra has it's place in medicine -- but it's one of those things

that are dangerous enough when misused that I wouldn't touch it again

unless I had a qualified person prescribing it for me.  



Just my 2p,

Ilene



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Subject: Re: red cover vs crimson clover???

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:43:38 GMT

--------

Wish I had a good answer for this one, since crimson (or Italian) clover

also grows easily and prolifically around this area, whereas red clover

typically dies out rather quickly.  Here is what I do know.



Crimson clover is a distinctly different species from red clover.  It is an

annual, whereas red clover is a short-lived perennial.  This might make a

difference in the elements taken up by the roots - or it might not.  Since

at least one old source indicates the value of the plant is due to elements

taken up by the roots, this may be important.  Crimson clover starts growing

from seed in cool weather and ordinarily blooms and sets seed before the

weather gets really hot - that's why it keeps reappearing year after year,

and why the highway departments of several Southeastern states plant it in

medians and along roadsides.  Red clover generally doesn't set seed the

first year of growth and, since it is not very tolerant of the typical humid

hot summers down here, it tends not to persist beyond a single season.



As far as I am able to determine, there is no research or tradition to

support the use of crimson clover as a substitute for red clover.  This

doesn't mean it isn't done, only that I can't find the info if it is.  I

would check for any possible So. European sources if you wish to research it

further, as I believe that's where it originated.



-Rich



Polkinghorne <polkyfam@inreach.com> wrote in message

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> I live in Northern California and crimson clover grows everywhere. It has

a

> darker red color than red clover and the flower heads are longer in

length.

> My question is, can they be used in place of red clover, specifically, for

> topical skin uses?

> Regards, Dina

>

>









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Subject: Wheatgrass

From: "Linda VW" <lindavw@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:31:30 -0600

--------

Hi,

Really enjoying reading this group and now I have a question.

Where would I get the seed to grow my own Wheatgrass? I'm afraid buying it

already grown locally would bankrupt me ;)



Linda









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Subject: Re: Wheatgrass

From: M&G Hoover <mthoover@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:48:11 -0700

--------

I grow it all the time for my cat. At a health food store purchase a small

amount of wheat berries. Soak some in water for 24 hours. Put in a pot with

soil. Sprinkle the wheat berries on top of the soil. Lightly cover with more

soil. Put in a sunny place and a couple of days later you have grass growing.



Gloria

Linda VW wrote:



> Hi,

> Really enjoying reading this group and now I have a question.

> Where would I get the seed to grow my own Wheatgrass? I'm afraid buying it

> already grown locally would bankrupt me ;)

>

> Linda







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To: Linda VW <lindavw@hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: Wheatgrass

From: Rosemarie <knots@mint.net>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:40:13 +0000

--------

Most health food stores have a "bulk food" area, where things like rice,

flour, rolled oats, etc are stored in bins or covered buckets indicate

what it is and the price; the customer then scoops out the portion

he/she wants, weighs it out and attaches the price sticker that rolls

out of the scale. Wheatberries are sold for people to boil up like rice,

to add some to a pot of rice or other grain or to those who want to

grind their own whole wheat flour. 



It's got to be there somewhere; someone in the store should be able to

direct you to it. Don't hesitate to ask. Perhaps it does come

pre-packaged, but they should carry it. 



I paid 75 cents a pound, bulk.



-Rosemarie







Linda VW wrote:

> 

> I guess I need to look more closely at my health food store, didn't see any

> seeds for Wheatgrass anywhere. Thanks for the growing instructions!

> 

> Linda





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Subject: Slightly OT:Traditional Chinese Medicine(wasRe: Herbal Remedies for ADD?)

From: "SumBuny4Me" <rousset@NOSPAMcyou.com>

Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:22:24 -0500

--------



Victoria Dragon <victoria_dragon@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message

news:7gpmst$kgp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com...

.

>

> You may want to check out TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine)for some help.

TCM

> pays a lot of attention to weather/ environmental conditions as triggers

for

> medical conditions.



Oh, I have and I do.  Acupuncture did wonders for me when I had a bad

flare-up of TMJ.  It broke the pain/spasm/clech/pain cycle by cutting down

on the pain, making the spasms relax.  I had it done in Okinawa, but,

unfortunately, have been having problems finding a reputable acupuncturist

in my area(luckily, I have not had a bad recurrance-yet :-)  I also borrowed

a book on acupressure points, and have been using some to help relive sinus

pain, when The western meds seem to be taking "too long" (i.e., more than a

minute <BG>) to kick in.



The point in my post was that sometimes the body's reactions are not normal,

and some type of intervention must be made.  I have no problem experimenting

on myself, but I DO draw the line on my kids-after all, if I eat 2 poundsof

chocolate, I am the one who deserves the belly ache.  If I feed my child 2

pounds of chocolate, he comes crying to me about the bellyache-and I am the

one who feels bad, too, because *I* am the one responsible.



Buny









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Subject: Re: Slightly OT:Traditional Chinese Medicine(wasRe: Herbal Remedies for ADD?)

From: Victoria Dragon <victoria_dragon@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 01:13:40 GMT

--------



> Oh, I have and I do.  Acupuncture did wonders for me when I had a bad

> flare-up of TMJ.  It broke the pain/spasm/clech/pain cycle by cutting down

> on the pain, making the spasms relax.  I had it done in Okinawa, but,

> unfortunately, have been having problems finding a reputable acupuncturist

> in my area(luckily, I have not had a bad recurrance-yet :-)  I also borrowed

> a book on acupressure points, and have been using some to help relive sinus

> pain, when The western meds seem to be taking "too long" (i.e., more than a

> minute <BG>) to kick in.



In my particular case the Small Intestine 3 point in acupressure got rid of

the TMJ. But, in my case the TMJ only appeared when I had a bad headache. SI3

is not one of the usual acupressure points for relieving headaches, but it

does that for me along with the points of the Sea of Vitality and an area

over the shoulder blades. I used to have these "headaches from hell" that

when one really got going, a shot of demerol in ER couldn't even knock out. 

The shot would blunt the headache so I could sleep through most of the worst

of it, but it would take hours and sometimes a couple of days or longer for

one to wear off.  Plus, I either had a full-blown headache or one threatening

most of the time.



At first I discovered heat and/or massage to the back to the area of the

shoulder blades and to the area just below the waist and adjacent to the

spine could knock out one of these headaches. (I didn't know it at the time,

but that spot just below the waist is part of the Sea of Vitality on the

Bladder meridian. Just doing those 2 areas with heat and massage reduced the

tendency to the headaches, and I started having less of them. Later, when I

began to learn about acupressure and discovered that SI3 point in addition to

the others, it really knocked way down on the tendency to the headaches.  I

haven't had one even threaten in many months, and the last time one did, I

cleared it up right away.



> The point in my post was that sometimes the body's reactions are not normal,

> and some type of intervention must be made.



I believe the reactions are "normal" given certain circumstances (if A acts on

B then C results), but there's still a lot to be learned about the body.



>I have no problem experimenting

> on myself, but I DO draw the line on my kids-after all, if I eat 2 poundsof

> chocolate, I am the one who deserves the belly ache.  If I feed my child 2

> pounds of chocolate, he comes crying to me about the bellyache-and I am the

> one who feels bad, too, because *I* am the one responsible.



I agree. Kids don't always react the way adults do. Plus, they don't have the

vocabulary to report what they're experiencing. I also don't believe in

experimenting on other adults.	My advice to any adult is learn all you can,

learn the contraindications, proceed very cautiously, and analyze results

carefully. And don't toss conventional medicine out the window for

alternative. Have a doctor you can trust and whom you respect monitor you.

Needless to say, I also don't believe in tossing alternative out the window

for conventional.



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Subject: Re: Cayenne

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 5 May 1999 21:55:39 GMT

--------

The runny nose you get with cayenne is medically known as gustato rhinitis.

When it comes out the other end the medical term is known as jaloproctitis.

The cayenne stimulates a receptor in the stomach which in turn stimulates the

vagus nerve causing a release of fluid in to the sinuses and lungs.

For those who have trouble with cayenne I would suggest starting with "cool

cayenne" which is about 40,000 heat units compared to regular cayenne which

runs around 90,000 to 100,000 heat units.





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Subject: Re: Cayenne

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 7 May 1999 02:34:31 GMT

--------

>> For those who have trouble with cayenne I would suggest starting with "cool

cayenne" which is about 40,000 heat units compared to regular cayenne which

runs around 90,000 to 100,000 heat units. <<



Interesting! I didn't know they rated herbs with heat units.



Irwin





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Subject: Re: Cayenne

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 8 May 1999 21:52:52 GMT

--------

>In what amount should one take the cayenne?

>



Depends on what you are doing it for, the heat units, and your tolerance. I

only use it on my food, though I am a hot pepper fanatic and it goes on nearly

everything I eat. If you are not use to peppers go for a lower heat unit pepper

and use sparingly until you become accustomed to it. For circulation I

generally mix cayenne with prickly ash bark. The prickly ash is not as strong

as the cayenne, but it's effects last longer so it is a nice combination.





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Subject: Re: Cayenne

From: "marcus" <sales@tdinfo.com>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:38:27 +0800

--------

I just know cayenne is used to reduce low-density lipoproteins (LDL),

improve metabolism and relieve gas.

tell us more about caynenne for sinus problem. good day.

marcus, sales@tdinfo.com











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Subject: Re: Cayenne

From: Victoria Dragon <victoria_dragon@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:16:08 GMT

--------



> I just know cayenne is used to reduce low-density lipoproteins (LDL),

> improve metabolism and relieve gas.

> tell us more about caynenne for sinus problem. good day.



I live near the Mexican border.  A lot of people in this area use it to

open up nasal passages and sinuses. Mexican cuisine uses a lot of

peppers, but when someone has a cold or sinuses are blocked, they add

extra cayenne and chili pepper to get the secretions flowing and the

passages unblocked.  BTW, cayenne and other hot peppers grow really

well in this area because of the strong sunlight. Sweet peppers tend

not to do as well here as the hot ones.



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Subject: Re: Cayenne

From: wlfgld@aol.com (Wlfgld)

Date: 23 May 1999 04:48:25 GMT

--------

>  BTW, cayenne and other hot peppers grow really

>well in this area because of the strong sunlight.



Do you have a seed source?  I live in Florida and they should do well here,

also. 



Thanks, Wolfgold





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Subject: licorice advice

From: "Karen Hunter" <ka.hunter@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 19:44:44 -0400

--------

Hi, I have a hormonal imbalance, low adrenal function and chronic

pancreatitis. A few months ago, I discovered licorice, which is the only

thing that really helps my gastrointestinal symptoms. But now when I take

it, even in small amounts, I have blood sugar swings that make it impossible

for me to work. I follow a very low carb/ moderately low fat diet, and my

blood pressure is low normal (112/77) even when I take the licorice.



When I try not taking the licorice, the gastrointestinal problems return

with a vengeance. My question - is there any safe regime for taking this

herb, that will lessen the blood sugar swings? Or are there any replacements

that will provide the gastrointestinal benefits without causing the blood

sugar problems? Anise? Fenugreek?



Any advice would be appreciated.



Karen









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Subject: Re: licorice advice

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 6 May 1999 03:15:11 GMT

--------

>> When I try not taking the licorice, the gastrointestinal problems return

with a vengeance. <<



What kind(s) of problems? Gas? Diarrhea? Abdominal pain, etc?



>> is there any safe regime for taking this

herb, that will lessen the blood sugar swings? <<



Have you been checked for diabetes? It is said that licorice should not be used

by those with diabetes.



Irwin Green





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Subject: Re: licorice advice

From: Victoria Dragon <victoria_dragon@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 03:26:16 GMT

--------



> Hi, I have a hormonal imbalance, low adrenal function and chronic

> pancreatitis. A few months ago, I discovered licorice, which is the only

> thing that really helps my gastrointestinal symptoms. But now when I take

> it, even in small amounts, I have blood sugar swings that make it impossible

> for me to work. I follow a very low carb/ moderately low fat diet, and my

> blood pressure is low normal (112/77) even when I take the licorice.

>

> When I try not taking the licorice, the gastrointestinal problems return

> with a vengeance. My question - is there any safe regime for taking this

> herb, that will lessen the blood sugar swings? Or are there any replacements

> that will provide the gastrointestinal benefits without causing the blood

> sugar problems? Anise? Fenugreek?



I'm not a trained TCM healer, but I may be able to give you some things to

consider. The thing that caught my attention was the pancreatitis. In TCM

(Traditional Chinese Medicine), the pancreas is considered a part of the

Spleen meridian.  It's called the Spleen meridian, but could more accurately

be called the Spleen-Pancreas meridian. Licorice targets all 12 meridians,

but in particular will tone up the spleen.



There're people on this message group who are a lot more knowledgeable than I

am about herbs for infections and adaptogen herbs (that improve adrenal

functioning).



The licorice may need to be taken with an herb that specifically fights

infection and/or provides cooling energy. If there's a trained, competent TCM

healer in your area, consulting this person would be the best thing to do.

However, trained TCM healers are not that easy to find as there's still not

that many in the U.S. outside of large cities.



You didn't mention if you were on a hypoglycemic diet - frequent, small meals

throughout the day.  This may help (some), but my gut instinct is that the

underlying cause of the blood sugar swings needs to be identified and

corrected.



You mentioned a moderately low fat diet.  What are your blood fat levels? 

One effect of licorice is that it will lower blood fat levels. When blood fat

levels go too low, that also can cause problems.  For one thing, many

hormones -  especially adrenal hormones are made from cholesterol.



Also, when people go on low fat diets, they may neglect to get enough EFAs

(Essential Fatty Acids).  Your body needs enough EFAs just like it needs

vitamins.  Without enough EFAs or enough of specific ones, people get sick and

can die.



You also didn't mention what type of licorice you're on or if the licorice

has been altered.  The Chinese variety (can't remember the scientific name)

does not raise blood pressure as much as the Western varieties. Also, the

Western varieties that are sold in the U.S. for use in treating

gastrointestinal problems frequently has one of the ingredients removed, the

one that will raise blood pressure. This makes it great for treating

gastrointestinal problems in people with high BP, but less effective for

treating some of the other things licorice is used to treat.



One of the books I have lists 5 main effects of licorice. It protects the

liver, produces adrenocorticol hormones (I'm not sure the denatured licorice

would do this), it inhibits influenza, it's good for leukemia, and it reduces

blood fat. It's also called the Great Detoxer, and it's frequently used in TCM

to equalize energy flow throughout the body.



Victoria Dragon





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Subject: INFO needed on milk thistle for Hepitatis

From: c2037@aol.com (C2037)

Date: 6 May 1999 00:11:27 GMT

--------

Can anyone send me information on milk thistle?  I need info on what it does,

how to use it, how to get it, etc.  All info will be appreciated.  Thanks,



Chip



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Subject: Re: INFO needed on milk thistle for Hepitatis

From: "Jacqui McIntosh" <jacqui@bayberry.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:53:04 +0100

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The book of Herbal Wisdom by matthew Wood gives a very good account of milk

thistle, along with about 40 other herbs...fantastic book



Jacqui

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Subject: depression

From: "bluegirl" <bluegirl@progressivetel.com>

Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 21:45:04 -0400

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Does anyone know what to do for a teenager with depression?









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Subject: Re: depression

From: "louise & mike gourdoux" <lgourdoux@centuryinter.net>

Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 22:02:04 -0500

--------

It depends. Is the depression severe? Chronic? Is it a result of something

that has happened in his/her life recently? Has this person seen a doctor

and been diagnosed?

   A certain amount of sadness or the blues is normal, especially during the

teen years. If the sadness is interferring with his/her ability to lead a

normal life, they need to see a doctor, a clergyman, or a counselor.

   A book that I found helpful for dealing with my own depression was

Helplesness by Seligman. I would think that the first thing you would look

at would be lifestyle changes. It is important that a teenager has a sense

of control over his/her life, the perception that the choices they make are

their own and that the decisions they make really matter. I would encourage

an active spiritual lifestyle if at all possible. A church youth group which

encourages and enables a teen to make good friends, for example.  Exercise

helps, an active lifestyle. Try to get him/her away from the tv and involved

with activities that provide rewards. Sports, even informal competition can

help. Meaningful conversation can help a person to not pay so much attention

to internalized defeatist attitudes.

   Self esteem is an extrememly important thing and certainly can take a

beating during the teen years. I wish you the best of luck!

      Mike G





bluegirl wrote in message ...

>Does anyone know what to do for a teenager with depression?

>

>









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Subject: Re: depression

From: "bluemoon" <bluemoon@sympatico.ca>

Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:33:21 GMT

--------

If the depression lasts longer than a month, I would suggest getting some

counciling and trying to avoid taking anything unless absolutely neccessary.

Depression is a hard thing to overcome ,especially if it is chronic.A

teenager may not realize she is depressed, so it is important to seek some

form of therapy-even if its only to the family dr.-thats a start.Medication

or alternative medicine should only come after therapy has started and

progression is slow or nil. Every person is different in their chemical

make-up and it may take years of searching to find the right herbal

treatment or medication.

Good Luck ,



Bluemoon



bluegirl <bluegirl@progressivetel.com> wrote in message

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> Does anyone know what to do for a teenager with depression?

>

>









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Subject: Re: depression

From: "Todd" <TravM@prodigy.net>

Date: 8 May 1999 19:01:12 GMT

--------

If its bad, get professional help. And don't be squemish about medication

(like others have said). If a professional thinks that she should be on

some, do it. 



bluegirl <bluegirl@progressivetel.com> wrote in article

<sA6Y2.1190$yg4.96458@eagle.america.net>...

> Does anyone know what to do for a teenager with depression?

> 

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: depression

From: "Todd" <TravM@prodigy.net>

Date: 8 May 1999 19:05:26 GMT

--------

Also, certain foods are good for depression - salmon and sardines are 2

that I know of. Not a cure or anything, but at worst its neutral, and at

best they may help (they're very healthy anyway).



bluegirl <bluegirl@progressivetel.com> wrote in article

<sA6Y2.1190$yg4.96458@eagle.america.net>...

> Does anyone know what to do for a teenager with depression?

> 

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: depression

From: Maureen Fischer <mfischer@san.rr.com>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:28:04 -0700

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I am assuming that since you are writing to this newsgroup you are

looking for something herbal and that you are pretty worried.  If it

were my child and I was worried I would get them to a psychiatrist and

put on an antidepressant.  I think that St. John's Wort and 5=HTP work

very well, but I would want a third party involved in treatment, and I

don't think you could get a psychiatrist to go along with using either. 

The reason I would be aggressive is that untreated depression kills

people.  



bluegirl wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know what to do for a teenager with depression?





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To: JSherw6704 <jsherw6704@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder and herbal/natural treatments.

From: dp <donhp@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 21:04:52 -0700

--------

I have a 7 year old daughter with Hemiparises diagnosed with ADHD who

has not been put on Ritlin as of yet. Could you please give more info on

Spark ?

YS

Don



JSherw6704 wrote:



> Stress Aid

> Gingko

> Gotu Kola

> Spark- has been used in place of Ritalin

> BeePollen

> Lifepath

> Essential Fatty Acids









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Subject: soaps lotions and health and beauty aids

From: nancybrown@my-dejanews.com

Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:32:25 GMT

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I would like to start to make my own soaps lotions and health and beauty care

products. any thoughts or help would be great.



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Subject: Re: soaps lotions and health and beauty aids

From: "hvnscnt" <hvnscnt@oknet1.net>

Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 23:19:28 -0700

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Nancy-



Consider subscribing to the toiletries digest, a mailing list that has some

very experience soapers as well as enthusiastic newbies. To subscribe send a

message containing subscribe toiletries-digest

in the body to:       MAJORDOMO@ListService.net



A good book such as Susan Miller Cavitch's "The Natural Soap Book" or "A

Soapmaker's Companion" is essential to keep close at hand. If you are a

hands-on learner, many soapmakers offer classes through folk centers or

continuing or adult education departments of local schools.



My wife and I are soapmakers and are always glad to help enthusiastic

newcomers. Check out my newly posted Summer newsletter at

http://www.oknet1.net/~hvnscnt/newsltr.htm . Good luck and...



God Bless,



Jerry Willis



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knows God." -1 John 4:7-



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> I would like to start to make my own soaps lotions and health and beauty

care

> products. any thoughts or help would be great.

>

> --

> Nancy B.

> nancybrown@my-dejanews.com

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Subject: Re: soaps lotions and health and beauty aids

From: peacedawge@aol.com (PeaceDawge)

Date: 22 May 1999 08:22:01 GMT

--------

>My wife and I are soapmakers and are always glad to help enthusiastic

>newcomers.



I have always wanted to try this but cannot seem to find castile soap! I don't

want to try the whole lye process just yet. Do you have any info as to where to

get pure castile soap online?:-) 





Peace,

"Dawge" 





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Subject: Herb for low sex drive?

From: "Darlene" <camden@uninets.net>

Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 19:50:31 -0400

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Hi,

Is there any herb that women can take to increase their sex drive?

Thanks,

DJH









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Subject: Re: Herb for low sex drive?

From: "Jacqui McIntosh" <jacqui@bayberry.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 23:52:49 +0100

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Try an infusion of rose with Ladies mantle. Both are known for their hormone

balancing properties....

Jacqui









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Subject: Re: Herb for low sex drive?

From: "Suze" <loom@alphalink.com.au>

Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:02:52 +1000

--------

Darlene, Damiana has some reputation for this, worth a try!







Darlene wrote in message ...

>Hi,

>Is there any herb that women can take to increase their sex

drive?

>Thanks,

>DJH

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: help Patient

From: bassemf@yahoo.com

Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 02:45:23 GMT

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Hi all, I need advice for a friend have some problems at kidney. His age is

about 40 and he has 3 small children and he is fat & smoker from a long time

and usually do not take the breakfast, his work need him to be outside home

for a long time and he live in village in Egypt.



Doctors said that he have the following:

1. Liver Cirrhosis (Portal Vein)

2. Spleen megaly

3. 2 Stanes in the gall bladder (8 mm)

4. Virus B

5. All liver Enzymes highly increased

6. Bilinubin Increased up to 15.9 (Normal values =1)



And they suggest the following drug:

1. KONAKION ROCHE

2. ADENOPLEX FORTE

2. ZANTAC INJECTION

3. DEVAROL S

4. BETOLVEX

5. GLUCOS 25/500

6. MUCOGEL

7. GABION

8. MULTISIS V

9. K-VITON

10. URSOFALK

11. AUGMENTIL

12. LOPRAL

13. ALDACTONE



So what are your opinions doctors in this situation? Can it be any hopes in

this ill?

And are you agree to let him take 13 DRUG WHICH MAKES HIM HATE ANY THING, Can

we make it one drug or 2 and do the job ??



Thanks very very mush,



Bassem Fahmy

Bassemf@yahoo.com



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Subject: Anxiety in Canines

From: juniper@home.com

Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 04:33:08 GMT

--------

Our beloved Doberman passed away April 26. He was 13 years 

old and will be missed by all. Mean while our

11 year old mixed breed, she's only 17 lbs., deeply misses

her big brother. It more like anxiety then depression. I

was thinking about treating her with  A tincture of

valerian root and skullcap in baby doses (her slight weight)

do you think this is stupid? to treat a dog for anxiety?

any suggestions comments would be appreciated. no sarcasm, though.

we loved the doberman.

thanks, Marge





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Subject: Re: Anxiety in Canines

From: royroy@bigfoot.com (starrin)

Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 12:09:56 GMT

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In addition, Francodex puts out a product called PetSedate, Calming

Tablets, which are entirely herbal.  I got mine (Murphy is frightened

of many things, having been beaten before I got him as a Rescue)

from a store similar to PetsMart.  I know that some vitamin and herb

shoppes also carry similar things.  Rescue Remedy is widely accepted.

I am going to email you direct with some info on pets grieving.



On Fri, 07 May 1999 04:33:08 GMT, juniper@home.com wrote:

>Our beloved Doberman passed away April 26. Mean while our

>11 year old mixed breed, she's only 17 lbs., deeply misses

>her big brother. It more like anxiety then depression





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Subject: Re: Anxiety in Canines

From: <lzardbeth@mindspring.com>

Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:23:53 -0400

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I don't know if the herb would help, but certainly our husky mix was

unconsolable when our old Brittany died.  He would eat, play, respond to

petting or anything.  Fortunately for us we were in a position to get

another dog & he was young, so we brought home a baby beagle-he perked right

up & has been happy ever since.



I trust you will find the solution that works for you.  It is good that you

are aware of your dog's state.



<juniper@home.com> wrote in message news:37326D9B.DAFBB271@home.com...

> Our beloved Doberman passed away April 26. He was 13 years

> old and will be missed by all. Mean while our

> 11 year old mixed breed, she's only 17 lbs., deeply misses

> her big brother. It more like anxiety then depression. I

> was thinking about treating her with  A tincture of

> valerian root and skullcap in baby doses (her slight weight)

> do you think this is stupid? to treat a dog for anxiety?

> any suggestions comments would be appreciated. no sarcasm, though.

> we loved the doberman.

> thanks, Marge









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Subject: Re: Anxiety in Canines

From: snowshoe@xyz.net (Jan Flora)

Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 02:11:18 -0800

--------

In article <37326D9B.DAFBB271@home.com>, juniper@home.com wrote:



>Our beloved Doberman passed away April 26. He was 13 years 

>old and will be missed by all. Mean while our

>11 year old mixed breed, she's only 17 lbs., deeply misses

>her big brother. It more like anxiety then depression. I

>was thinking about treating her with  A tincture of

>valerian root and skullcap in baby doses (her slight weight)

>do you think this is stupid? to treat a dog for anxiety?

>any suggestions comments would be appreciated. no sarcasm, though.

>we loved the doberman.

>thanks, Marge



Get some Rescue Remedy for her. It's a homeopathic thing. My equine vet

recommends it for when animals lose their buddies. She also recommends

it for the person who lost the animal...



   Best wishes,



   Jan



email me if you want to -- I'll put you in touch with the vet that I

mentioned...





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Subject: Re: Antispasmodic herbs?

From: inertia@eden.au (Inertia Eden)

Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 07:24:06 GMT

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On Tue, 4 May 1999 22:54:25 -0500 (CDT), rendane@webtv.net wrote:



>Are there any good, effective antispasmodis herbs?  My daughter has late

>stage chronic lyme disease and suffers quite a bit with muscle spasms in

>her neck and back.



	Although its very controversial some people swear by marijuana

made into a tea or smoked. I don't know how old your daughter is so

please take this advice with a grain of salt. I assume you live in

america and i know they don't take lightly to this herb. 



Maybe skullcap and motherwort may help. 





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Subject: Re: Antispasmodic herbs?

From: "Howard Flemming" <OUREDEN@email.msn.com>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:27:46 -0400

--------

Skullcap is a very good antispasmodic herb.  You can get it in capsules from

a healthfood store.  You can also make a tea from the loose herb itself.

You would use one teaspoon per cup of water. Two to three times a day.

rendane@webtv.net wrote in message

<29607-372FC0F1-44@newsd-284.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

Are there any good, effective antispasmodis herbs?  My daughter has late

stage chronic lyme disease and suffers quite a bit with muscle spasms in

her neck and back.











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Subject: Re: Antispasmodic herbs?

From: "R.Baker" <roy.w.baker@lmco.com>

Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:28:55 -0500

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Howard Flemming wrote:

> 

> Skullcap is a very good antispasmodic herb.  You can get it in capsules from

> a healthfood store.  You can also make a tea from the loose herb itself.

> You would use one teaspoon per cup of water. Two to three times a day.

> rendane@webtv.net wrote in message

> <29607-372FC0F1-44@newsd-284.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

> Are there any good, effective antispasmodis herbs?  My daughter has late

> stage chronic lyme disease and suffers quite a bit with muscle spasms in

> her neck and back.



Yep, Callendula is also an anti-spasmotic. usage is about the same.





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Subject: Re: Antispasmodic herbs?

From: Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:39:43 GMT

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I would approach it from the inside and the outside.  A tea made from

kava kava bark, St. John's Wort, and Blue Vervain, plus an muscle

massage oil or salve made from calendula, skullcap, horsetail, and

lobelia.



Horsetail contains silica, which helps restore connective tissue.

Lobelia is a strong anti-spasmodic that is most often used for deep

bronchial coughs.  Lobelia can cause vomiting if you take too much of it

internally, though, so be careful with it.



For pain you could add some White Willow bark and / or valerian to the

tea.





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Subject: Re: Antispasmodic herbs?

From: "Jennifer Oas" <jocs@bellsouth.net>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:08:27 GMT

--------

cramp bark would be another option, with less potential side effects. as

woold jamacian dogwood and feverfew, and fennel.

Inertia Eden wrote in message ...

>On Tue, 4 May 1999 22:54:25 -0500 (CDT), rendane@webtv.net wrote:

>

>>Are there any good, effective antispasmodis herbs?  My daughter has late

>>stage chronic lyme disease and suffers quite a bit with muscle spasms in

>>her neck and back.

>

> Although its very controversial some people swear by marijuana

>made into a tea or smoked. I don't know how old your daughter is so

>please take this advice with a grain of salt. I assume you live in

>america and i know they don't take lightly to this herb.

>

>Maybe skullcap and motherwort may help.









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To: Bremike <bremike@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Chamomile Tea

From: d <sweetgrass@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:11:37 +0000

--------

I prefer Chamomile and Peppermint together.  I take about a teaspoon of dried

chamomile and about the same of pepperment (or more because I like my tea

strong), and I pour hot water (approximately 1 cup) over it and let steep for

3-5 minutes.



Chamomile is very relaxing.  It doesnt put you to sleep but it takes the

jitters and/or hyperness away.  Peppermint helps to sooth the stomach.  I use

the peppermint mostly because I do not care for the taste of Chamomile all

that much.  I rarely drink Peppermint tea alone either, but together they make

a fine tasting tea that's perfect almost anytime, but particularly is one

needs something calming.



-d







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Subject: Re: resources

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 07 May 1999 19:17:14 GMT

--------

In article <19990427182435.08849.00000197@ng-fs1.aol.com>, lslack9@aol.com

(Lslack9) writes:



>he German Commission E

>Monographs.  It is available at Barnes and Noble for $165.  It's pricey but

>translated into english and written by herbal experts.



For $59.95, you can get the PDR for Herbal Medicine. It covers much the same

subject matter. For $15.95, Michael Murray's Healing Power of Herbs is just as

good a starting place -- perhaps not as many herbs as the Comm E, but it's

unlikely you'll need much more than what Murray lists. The herbals by Susun

Weed cost $9.95, cover a lot of material, and address women's health in a much

more in-depth manner than any of the books listed.



As for Chinese herbology, which really isn't covered in the Comm E, one of the

best books is Dan Bensky's Chinese Herbal Materia Medica ($75). There's a

number of others that are less expensive (although not as complete).



The truth is, unfortunately, that by the time that the ABC got the Comm E out

(and it took them about 5 years of translation work), much of the material was

already published in other sources -- the Comm E reports were a bunch of

government material issued by an German agency similar to our FDA. A number of

writers/researchers outside of ABC had access to the material in the original

German long before the translations appeared and the stuff's been quoted for

years in other books. BTW, if your major interest is herbal contraindications

and drug interactions, Francis Brinker's book is a great buy for less than $20.

 



In short, for the price of Comm E, you could get four or five really great

books for your library and still have money leftover for lunch  (at least,

that's what we tell people in our store). I have to agree with Henriette on

this one; unless you're a doctor and need the Comm E for your clinical library,

it's really not the place to start.





Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Whole herb

From: "James" <jamesmannon@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:07:57 -0700

--------

      I've seen a lost of herb bottles in the store and in the health store.

Most  say whole herb, like the purple cone flower.  So the question is---

Are the same benifits found in the cone flower stem , leaves, and flowers as

well as the root?  Or is this a clever way to fill up a capsuel and sell it.

regards,

james









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Subject: Re: Whole herb

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 07 May 99 21:15:06 EDT

--------

James <jamesmannon@hotmail.com>  wrote:

Ja> I've seen a lost of herb bottles in the store and in the health

Ja> store. Most  say whole herb, like the purple cone flower.  So the

Ja> question is--- Are the same benifits found in the cone flower stem ,

Ja> leaves, and flowers as well as the root?  Or is this a clever way to

Ja> fill up a capsule and sell it. regards,  james



    That is a good question:  How does one easily fill- up a capsule

    with herbs?



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Subject: Re: Whole herb

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 11:25:50 GMT

--------

On Fri, 7 May 1999 16:07:57 -0700, "James" <jamesmannon@hotmail.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>      I've seen a lot of herb bottles in the store and in the health store.

>Most  say whole herb, like the purple cone flower.  So the question is---

>Are the same benifits found in the cone flower stem , leaves, and flowers as

>well as the root?  



Yes, for Echinacea. Depends, for other plants.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Whole herb

From: "Maria-louise Jackson" <q9821118@mail.connect.usq.edu.au>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:32:58 +1000

--------



You may also find that when companies add the whole herb eg. Echinacea that

the medicinally inactive parts counteract some of the sideaffects brought

about from the active part, making it a little easier to digest

(tastewise).



>>      I've seen a lot of herb bottles in the store and in the health

store.

>>Most  say whole herb, like the purple cone flower.  So the question is---

>>Are the same benifits found in the cone flower stem , leaves, and flowers

as

>>well as the root?

>

>Yes, for Echinacea. Depends, for other plants.

>

>Henriette











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Subject: Re: Whole herb

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 18:21:16 GMT

--------

On 08 May 99 08:26:41 EDT, George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>    That is a good question:  How does one easily fill up a capsule

>    with herbs?



Powder it up, open capsule, dip one end first until it's full, dip the other

until it's almost full, close capsule. You can do a couple hundred an hour, and

it's far better to do it this way than to use diverse machines to do it - you

pack 'em tighter, and get less oxidation of the herb. 

You do need something good on TV while you're doing this. Or a good movie on

tape. Or an aquarium. Or something.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Whole herb

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 8 May 1999 22:08:48 GMT

--------

> I've seen a lost of herb bottles in the store and in the health store.

>Most  say whole herb, like the purple cone flower.  So the question is---

>Are the same benifits found in the cone flower stem , leaves, and flowers as

>well as the root? 



Some herbs have potentiating compounds in other parts of the plant. For example

echinacea tops are said to potentiate the actions of the roots. Hawthorn berry

is another example which works best when combined with the flowers and leaves.





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Subject: Re: Whole herb

From: "Edward Lau" <emlau@up.net>

Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:22:44 -0500

--------

I'm a cone flower lover and not aware of the med's effects possible as a

treater of ailments

(what kind?). Are different parts used for different things(ailments?)?

Sorry to sound redundant but you mentioned echinacea and Hawthorn berry

potentiates but not Cone flowers. Is each part of the plant used for

different problems and combinations for others or as a stronger dosage?

Sorry if I sound bewildered but Im new to this herbal treatment .

I'd ask more Q's but one thing at a time.TYVM..,Jozef

HerbAssist wrote in message <19990508180848.21148.00000868@ng29.aol.com>...

>> I've seen a lost of herb bottles in the store and in the health store.

>>Most  say whole herb, like the purple cone flower.  So the question is---

>>Are the same benifits found in the cone flower stem , leaves, and flowers

as

>>well as the root?

>

>Some herbs have potentiating compounds in other parts of the plant. For

example

>echinacea tops are said to potentiate the actions of the roots. Hawthorn

berry

>is another example which works best when combined with the flowers and

leaves.









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Subject: Re: Whole herb

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 9 May 1999 23:15:38 GMT

--------

>I'm a cone flower lover and not aware of the med's effects possible as a

>treater of ailments

>(what kind?). Are different parts used for different things(ailments?)?

>Sorry to sound redundant but you mentioned echinacea and Hawthorn berry

>potentiates but not Cone flowers.



Echinacea is also known as purple cone flower.





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Subject: recipes

From: vwinter@aol.com (VWinter)

Date: 7 May 1999 23:48:21 GMT

--------

Hi there, 

Kelly Reno has 2 books on this subject....the titles are "Oils, Lotions, &

Other Luxuries" and "Soaps, Shampoos, & Other Suds"....

Susie







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Subject: echinecia

From: Helen Williams <helenw@inet.net.nz>

Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 11:07:32 +1000

--------

Hi

I have just bought an echinecia plant, I don't know which one.  Can

someone please tell me the best place/way to grow this plant, and how to

make the most of it the plant

Thank you - Helen









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Subject: Re: echinecia

From: rosemarie <knots@mint.net>

Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 19:56:30 GMT

--------

Echinacea likes to grow in rich, well-drained soil in full sun. I tincture

leaves, flowers and root. I harvest these different parts of the plant when

they are at their peak of vibrancy: leaves in early to middle Summer, flowers

late Summer to early Fall and *three year old* roots in late Fall. I find my

best use for Echinacea is when I can detect the slightest hint that I am

coming down with a cold or flu. At that point, I take about 1/2 teaspoon of

the tincture every two hours or so for 24 hours; I then take one teaspoon,

three times a day for 5-7 days and then discontinue use. During this week or

so of trying to prevent getting the flu, I also increase my daily dose of

Vitamin C and take garlic tincture.



-Rosemarie





In article <37338E53.83355428@inet.net.nz>,

  Helen Williams <helenw@inet.net.nz> wrote:

> Hi

> I have just bought an echinecia plant, I don't know which one.  Can

> someone please tell me the best place/way to grow this plant, and how to

> make the most of it the plant

> Thank you - Helen

>

>



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Subject: Re: INFO needed on milk t

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 07 May 99 21:15:06 EDT

--------

rosemarie <knots@mint.net>  wrote:

Topic:  INFO needed on milk thistle for Hepitatis

Ro> This is what David Hoffmann writes about milk thistle and Hepatitis in

Ro> "The New Holistic Herbal":



Ro> "MILK THISTLE (Silybum marianum) Compositae Part used: the seeds

Ro> Collection: the mature achenes (seed heads) are cut and stored in a

Ro> warm place. After a few days, tap the heads and collect the seeds.

o> Constituents: Flavones silybin, silydianin and silychristin; essential

Ro> oil; bitter principle; mucilage. Actions: Cholagogue, galactogogue,

Ro> demulcent.' Indications: As te name of tis herb shows, it is an

Ro> excellnt promoter of mild secretion and is perfectly save to be used by



    Question:  What does David Hoffman say about the herb, onion?



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Subject: Re: INFO needed on milk thistle

From: "Anna Wolf" <annawolf@msn.com>

Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 19:30:28 -0700

--------

I've read that milk thistle is used in Europe as an antidote to mushroom

poisoning(the antidote is injected)-- due to the thistle's ability to effect

the liver's protein production. Anyone else know about this? Anna



George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY> wrote in message

news:amieBADF6E47.94.239@edgebbs.com...

> rosemarie <knots@mint.net>  wrote:

> Topic:  INFO needed on milk thistle for Hepitatis

> Ro> This is what David Hoffmann writes about milk thistle and Hepatitis in

> Ro> "The New Holistic Herbal":

>

> Ro> "MILK THISTLE (Silybum marianum) Compositae Part used: the seeds

> Ro> Collection: the mature achenes (seed heads) are cut and stored in a

> Ro> warm place. After a few days, tap the heads and collect the seeds.

> o> Constituents: Flavones silybin, silydianin and silychristin; essential

> Ro> oil; bitter principle; mucilage. Actions: Cholagogue, galactogogue,

> Ro> demulcent.' Indications: As te name of tis herb shows, it is an

> Ro> excellnt promoter of mild secretion and is perfectly save to be used

by

>

>     Question:  What does David Hoffman say about the herb, onion?

>

> .. End  of  message

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Subject: Need help finding product please!

From: "grizz" <grizz@kcinter.net>

Date: 7 May 1999 22:33:11 -0500

--------

Looking for a product called "Core Level Detox" that I received from a

homeopath several years ago. Not a bowel cleansing formula. Only ingredient

I can remember for sure is activated charcoal. Don't remember the

manufacturer either. He gave it as a general detoxifier and also for relief

and prevention of migraines. If you know the manufacturer or a source please

email me directly with information.



Thanks









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Subject: How to find a naturopathic-type doctor???

From: lookin_n_learnin@my-dejanews.com

Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 03:35:05 GMT

--------

Where can I find lists of doctors who use herbs, and so forth, instead of the

regular slash-and-burn doctors?



I have already found the American College for Advancement in Medicine at

acam.org. Are there any other lists out there of serious healthcare providers?



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Subject: colostrum supplements

From: lookin_n_learnin@my-dejanews.com

Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 03:42:50 GMT

--------

Which colostrum supplement is best? Bovine? Capsules? What brand?



Some of the "organic" supplements are from New Zealand cows; will this be as

effective as colostrum from local cows?



Is it safe and palatable to drink colostrum fresh from the cow?  How about the

frozen colostrum veterinarians sell for calves?



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Subject: Re: colostrum supplements

From: Ryan <fx@epix.net>

Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 16:01:46 -0400

--------

lookin_n_learnin@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> 

> Which colostrum supplement is best? Bovine? Capsules? What brand?

> 

> Some of the "organic" supplements are from New Zealand cows; will this be as

> effective as colostrum from local cows?

> 

> Is it safe and palatable to drink colostrum fresh from the cow?  How about the

> frozen colostrum veterinarians sell for calves?

> 

> Thanks

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    I own cows and colostrum is only good for the calf within 24 hours

after birth.

I don't know how the colostrum can help in human use.Once your immune

system is in tact, and your digestive system running, the body will

destroy any immunoglobins found in the colostrum.That's why once the

calf is a few days old it can't pass through the stomach any more.



    Ryan





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Subject: Juicing "non-edible" parts of garden plants...

From: lookin_n_learnin@my-dejanews.com

Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 04:01:35 GMT

--------

Which garden plants have parts that are not normally eaten but that can be

safely juiced?



I have juiced the stems & leaves of beets with no problem. But I know some

garden plants are poisonous (like tomato & potato).



What about the large, luscious leaves of the melons, pumpkins, cucumbers,

squash How about the greens off root foods, like carrots, radishes and

turnips.



What about pepper plants? How about beans?  How about the stalky plants, like

corn and okra?  How about leaves of fruit trees?



Is there a website or a book on this kind of juicing?



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Subject: Re: Juicing "non-edible" parts of garden plants...

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 11:26:21 GMT

--------

>Which garden plants have parts that are not normally eaten but that can be

>safely juiced?

>

>I have juiced the stems & leaves of beets with no problem. But I know some

>garden plants are poisonous (like tomato & potato).

>

>What about the large, luscious leaves of the melons, pumpkins, cucumbers,

>squash How about the greens off root foods, like carrots, radishes and

>turnips.

>

>What about pepper plants? How about beans?  How about the stalky plants, like

>corn and okra?  How about leaves of fruit trees?



Forget about green parts of the Solanaceae (potato, tomato, pepper, chili,

paprika). Be aware that green parts of some of the Umbelliferae (celeriac,

carrot) might make your skin very sensitive to bright light (like the sun), if

you overdo it. And walk carefully where you don't have definite info.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Fly Repellent

From: Ryan <fx@epix.net>

Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 01:05:48 -0400

--------

Is there a natural fly repellent out there. My poor cows are getting

bothered by those pests.Especially around the eyes.



Thanks,



Ryan





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Subject: Re: Fly Repellent

From: "Jacqui McIntosh" <jacqui@bayberry.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:47:10 +0100

--------

I found this recipe to repel insects:



combine equal parts rosemary, basil, wormwood and rue. Crush, pour olive oil

in proportions one parts of herb to five parts oil. Add 1 desertspoon of

apple cider vinegar and cover bowl. Infuse in a warm palce for a week.

Strain  and repeat process, one part fresh herbs to five parts of the oil.

Do two more times leeaving for two weeks on the third time. Strain.



Also eating garlic and eating nutritional yeast apparently helps.



Jacqui









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Subject: Re: Fly Repellent

From: Patricia Geer <pgeer@gpd.fulton.ny.us>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:38:46 -0400

--------

Are these milk cows or beef cows?  With our horses we feed garlic and

add natural cider vinegar to drinking water; both of which help repel

flys from the inside out.  I  don't think it would be suitable to feed

garlic to milk cows but the vinegar in the drinking water probably

wouldn't hurt.  I also make a fly natural fly spray using a combination

of essential oils but that would probably be cost-prohibited if you are

speaking of a large herd of cows.  One of the best ways is constant

worming, and keeping the manure as picked up as possible.  There is also

some natural fly control using wasps, etc.  Good luck!



Ryan wrote:



> Is there a natural fly repellent out there. My poor cows are getting

> bothered by those pests.Especially around the eyes.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Ryan







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Subject: Re: Fly Repellent

From: "David Hendry" <dhendry01@snet.net>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:37:17 -0700

--------

I've used a tinsane of Tansy before on my animals; actually watched the

fleas jump off them.  If spraying them isn't feasible, i'd try making a

powder of it.  All sorts of insects hate it.  The good thing is once you've

got the plant, it spreads like a mint, so don't put it somewhere confined.

Donna H.

Ryan wrote in message <3733C62C.5AAB@epix.net>...

>Is there a natural fly repellent out there. My poor cows are getting

>bothered by those pests.Especially around the eyes.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Ryan









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Subject: Re: Fly Repellent

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:48:46 -0500

--------

My apologies but what is a "tinsane"? If you saw fleas leaping off your

animals then I gotta try this thing.



Hilary



David Hendry <dhendry01@snet.net> wrote in message

news:7h7sot$pkp@news1.snet.net...

| I've used a tinsane of Tansy before on my animals; actually watched the

| fleas jump off them.  If spraying them isn't feasible, i'd try making a

| powder of it.  All sorts of insects hate it.  The good thing is once

you've

| got the plant, it spreads like a mint, so don't put it somewhere confined.

| Donna H.

| Ryan wrote in message <3733C62C.5AAB@epix.net>...

| >Is there a natural fly repellent out there. My poor cows are getting

| >bothered by those pests.Especially around the eyes.

| >

| >Thanks,

| >

| >Ryan

|

|









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Subject: Re: Fly Repellent

From: Deb <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:04:02 -0700

--------





Hilary wrote:



> My apologies but what is a "tinsane"? If you saw fleas leaping off your

> animals then I gotta try this thing.

>

> Hilary

>



another word for tea



Deb



> David Hendry <dhendry01@snet.net> wrote in message

> news:7h7sot$pkp@news1.snet.net...

> | I've used a tinsane of Tansy before on my animals; actually watched the

> | fleas jump off them.  If spraying them isn't feasible, i'd try making a

> | powder of it.  All sorts of insects hate it.  The good thing is once

> you've

> | got the plant, it spreads like a mint, so don't put it somewhere confined.

> | Donna H.

> | Ryan wrote in message <3733C62C.5AAB@epix.net>...

> | >Is there a natural fly repellent out there. My poor cows are getting

> | >bothered by those pests.Especially around the eyes.

> | >

> | >Thanks,

> | >

> | >Ryan

> |

> |











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Subject: Re: Fly Repellent

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 15 May 1999 02:46:35 GMT

--------

Yarrow tincture. Put it in a spray bottle and spritz it now and then, keeps all

sorts of little bity things away.



Belinda





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Subject: How to cure Poison Ivy

From: "Karen" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 08:32:02 -0500

--------

Lately I have had a lot of mail from people afflicted with poison ivy and

similar rashes.

http://www.altnature.com/jewelweed.htm feel free to email if you have

questions or want to buy the remedy before poison ivy gets you. Instructions

on web site show you how to find and use the plant that cures poison ivy

rashes.

Karen Shelton

AltNature Online Herbal and Photo Gallery

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Subject: Re: How to cure Poison Ivy

From: "Wubba" <skyward@frognet.net>

Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 10:04:52 -0400

--------



Karen wrote in message <37343cd1.0@news.isdn.net>...

>Lately I have had a lot of mail from people afflicted with poison ivy and

>similar rashes.

>http://www.altnature.com/jewelweed.htm feel free to email if you have

>questions or want to buy the remedy before poison ivy gets you.

Instructions

>on web site show you how to find and use the plant that cures poison ivy

>rashes.

>Karen Shelton

>AltNature Online Herbal and Photo Gallery

>http://www.altnature.com

***************************************



No offense- but wouldn't plantain work?

Wubba









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Subject: Re: How to cure Poison Ivy

From: "Edward Lau" <emlau@up.net>

Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:30:37 -0500

--------

Believe it or not..,Catnip when crushed fresh and swabbed onto affected

areas stops itch and

removes or dries up the lesions rapidly. Store bought ointments didn't help

my brother/law!

Jozef

Wubba wrote in message ...

>

>Karen wrote in message <37343cd1.0@news.isdn.net>...

>>Lately I have had a lot of mail from people afflicted with poison ivy and

>>similar rashes.

>>http://www.altnature.com/jewelweed.htm feel free to email if you have

>>questions or want to buy the remedy before poison ivy gets you.

>Instructions

>>on web site show you how to find and use the plant that cures poison ivy

>>rashes.

>>Karen Shelton

>>AltNature Online Herbal and Photo Gallery

>>http://www.altnature.com

>***************************************

>

>No offense- but wouldn't plantain work?

>Wubba

>

>









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Subject: Re: How to cure Poison Ivy

From: nooutlines@aol.com (NoOutlines)

Date: 11 May 1999 03:14:36 GMT

--------

some spray herbal stuff called Itch Nix with mugwort and jewel weed really

works great.

my neighbor who grew up in an old logging camp told me to use Fels Naptha soap.

 really icky stuff but it dries poison oak ou FAST....





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Subject: Re: How to cure Poison Ivy

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:46:38 -0700

--------

Fels Naptha is good for ring around the collar on shirts too.









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Subject: marshmallow recipe?

From: M&L <changeyourmind@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:08:26 GMT

--------

hi, we are looking for a source for vegan marshmallows,and someone told us

they once had gotten a recipe to make them here on alt.folklore.herbs....

does ayone out there know of a recipe to make vegetarian  marshmallows? thank

you!  M&L -- if you cant change your mind are you sure you still have one?



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Subject: Re: marshmallow recipe?

From: diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:27:48 -0400

--------

M&L wrote:

> 

> hi, we are looking for a source for vegan marshmallows,and someone told us

> they once had gotten a recipe to make them here on alt.folklore.herbs....

> does ayone out there know of a recipe to make vegetarian  marshmallows? thank

> you!  M&L -- if you cant change your mind are you sure you still have one?



I don't have a recipe, but if you look in the Jewish/Kosher section of a

grocery store, or better yet, find a Kosher grocery, you'll find vegan

marshmallows there.



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Subject: Mint

From: milune@worldnet.att.net (Adam Reed)

Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 04:50:18 GMT

--------

What are some of the properties of mint, most paticulary Mentha x

Aquatica (basil mint?) and Mentha x piperita 'crispa' (Crinkle-leaved

Black Peppermint?)



Right now my toungue is numb from a tea I made with them and I am

wondering why.



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Subject: Re: Mint

From: milune@worldnet.att.net (Adam Reed)

Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 05:04:53 GMT

--------

On Sun, 09 May 1999 04:50:18 GMT, milune@worldnet.att.net (Adam Reed)

wrote:



>What are some of the properties of mint, most paticulary Mentha x

>Aquatica (basil mint?) and Mentha x piperita 'crispa' (Crinkle-leaved

>Black Peppermint?)

>

>Right now my toungue is numb from a tea I made with them and I am

>wondering why.





Well, I found another use, to induce sweating. . .any more uses,

affects, properties, or recipies would be appreciated.





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Subject: soil mildew on indoor plants

From: "Ellen Thielmann" <e.thielmann@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 10:11:44 -0400

--------

In another newsgroup, we are exploring ways of getting rid of the occasional

"mildew" type substance that sometimes grows on indoor plants, primarily in

plastic pots.  If there are any of you growing herbs in your garden windows

or the like and either have this problem or have found a solution to this

problem, would you please be so kind as to send me return e-mail or come to

bionet.plants and share your experience?  I would appreciate hearing your

feedback!  e.t.









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Subject: Flax Seed Oil capsules?

From: mavinci2@aol.com-post (MaVinci2)

Date: 9 May 1999 16:02:58 GMT

--------

OK, so I have some ground Flax Seeds, that I'm adding to

recipes now as a part of my weight loss quest (I was told fiber

would jump start my metabolism/fat burning).  Are Flax Seed

capsules as a supplement going to be effective to this end as

well?  Also recommended to take Alfalfa supplements.



Thanks!



Robin

--------------------------------------

Robin

Aurora, Colorado





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Subject: Re: Flax Seed Oil capsules?

From: "Marvin L. Zinn" <marvinlzinn@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 18:16:26 EDT

--------

Robin,



In article <19990509120258.12583.00001253@ng-cf1.aol.com>, MaVinci2 

wrote:

> Are Flax Seed capsules as a supplement going to be effective to this 

end as well?

>

   Flax seed oil must be used within a few weeks (some say days)

   of processing. The capsules probably have some means to     preserve 

it better, but personally I don't trust them.

   

                       marvinlzinn







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Subject: Re: Flax Seed Oil capsules?

From: mavinci2@aol.com-post (MaVinci2)

Date: 10 May 1999 04:03:41 GMT

--------

>Flax seed oil can also be toxic if you take too much, so I'd be

>careful unless you have a knowlegeable adviser.



OK, so my capsules are 1000 mg, and the label

says to take 3 of them two or three times a day.

This sound a-ok?  So far, since I've never taken them before, I've been taking

only 1

two or three times a day, just to make sure they don't upset my stomach or

anything.



They were recommended by the people at the vitamin store I shop at here, in

addition to the ground flax seeds, kind of a flour-like

bag of stuff, they said I could add to bread or muffins or whatever.  Says to

keep in the freezer, which I am.



Anyone think this isn't right or OK?



Thanks again,



Robin





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Subject: Re: Flax Seed Oil capsules?

From: aa@aa.aa (aa)

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:38:42 GMT

--------

I use Udo's Choice Blend.  It's a blend of all the essential fatty

acids including flax seed.  They use a process to extract the oil

which uses no light or oxygen.  Then they store the oil in dark

containers.  





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Subject: Re: Flax Seed Oil capsules?

From: "Marvin L. Zinn" <marvinlzinn@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 06:30:36 EDT

--------

Robin,



In article <19990510000341.20186.00000033@ng-ci1.aol.com>, MaVinci2 

wrote:

> OK, so my capsules are 1000 mg, and the label

> says to take 3 of them two or three times a day.

>

   I take probably five times that much without a problem, but always 

with vegetables or grains, never on an empty stomach or with fruit. And 

I swallow the oil directly. I don't like the flavor, but I prefer to 

get it over with rather than to taint the flavor of something else.

   

                       marvinlzinn

   

   







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Subject: Re: Flax Seed Oil capsules?

From: kgreen@juliet.albedo.net (KENNETH STUART GREEN)

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:16:19 GMT

--------

What did you take it for, depression also ?  If that was the purpose,

did it work?



Ken







On Thu, 13 May 1999 06:30:36 EDT, "Marvin L. Zinn"

<marvinlzinn@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>Robin,

>

>In article <19990510000341.20186.00000033@ng-ci1.aol.com>, MaVinci2 

>wrote:

>> OK, so my capsules are 1000 mg, and the label

>> says to take 3 of them two or three times a day.

>>

>   I take probably five times that much without a problem, but always 

>with vegetables or grains, never on an empty stomach or with fruit. And 

>I swallow the oil directly. I don't like the flavor, but I prefer to 

>get it over with rather than to taint the flavor of something else.

>   

>                       marvinlzinn

>   

>   

>







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Subject: Re: Flax Seed Oil capsules?

From: mavinci2@aol.com-post (MaVinci2)

Date: 16 May 1999 14:46:11 GMT

--------

>What did you take it for, depression also ?  If that was the purpose,

>did it work?



I'm taking it as advised for help with my weight-loss, not depression.  It

appears to

be helping, too!



Robin

--------------------------------------

Robin

Aurora, Colorado





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Subject: Re: Flax Seed Oil capsules?

From: <readandpostNOSPAM@yahoo.com>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:55:43 -0500

--------

how much do you take, robin?

rosie









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Subject: Re: TICKS!

From: w1622@aol.com (W1622)

Date: 9 May 1999 17:58:26 GMT

--------

Sara

Try spreading a pryethrum dust in your basement ,but the ticks are brought in

from woods tall grasses treat your yard as well





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Subject: Re: TICKS!

From: "Wubba" <skyward@frognet.net>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:32:55 -0400

--------



>Sara

>Try spreading a pryethrum dust in your basement ,but the ticks are brought

in

>from woods tall grasses treat your yard as well

**********************

I doubt that ticks are dwelling in the dirt of your basement...but I suppose

stranger things have happened.



Generally- they live in tall grasses, etc.. and when a pet or person walks

thru said area- the tick hitches a ride and climbs around looking for a

blood meal- just as do fleas.



People unknowingly then carry the fellows indoors on their clothes- (if the

critter hasn't attached yet) and may find them in the house.  I have

before-too.  We find them after holding our outdoor cat- who never seems to

have a tick attached to him- but occas. has one that has jumped onboard.  It

does make one's skin start to itch, and one begins to notice any little

tickle :o)



I had a fuzzy doberman-mix pup dumped at our house once who had multiple

egg- nests of ticks in it's hair.  Here's what I did:  The shampoo- Head and

Shoulders contains Pythion Zinc (sp) which is similar(same family) to the

Pyrethrins/Permethrin (that are derived from Chrysanthimum flowers esp-

those from Africa)  that the above poster mentioned. .   It will kill fleas

and ticks if it is lathered and left for a few minutes during a bath or

shower.

*** Adams Flea-off mist bought at a veterinarian clinic is TERRIFIC!!!

Quick knockdown kill!  Both are good for use on dogs and cats over the age

of, say- 10-12 wks old.  That is what the vet I worked for used to

recommend.

**Note:  You never want to *douse* a cat with chemicals, ie: if a little is

okay- then alot more is "great"....NO NO !!!  Cats are very sensitive to

chemicals and can die easily from such.



You may chose to plant some insect repelling flowers around your house and

yard too.



Wubba- HTH's...and I sure don't claim to *know it all*...









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Subject: Re: TICKS!

From: vandyt@bellsouth.net (Vandy Terre)

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:15:29 GMT

--------

On Sun, 9 May 1999 12:31:05 -0400, "Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com>

wrote:



>I live out in the country, and we are being barraged by pestilence!  I just

>found the fourth tick in our HOME.  Noone has been out yet today, so I am

>beginning to think they are in the basement, of which a portion of is dirt.

>(There has been some kind of house here since the 1800's.)



>Is there an herb I can spread to rid myself of these creatures?  I don't

>think annihilation of ticks would be an insult to Mother Earth.



I am not sure of an herb, I use boratine laundry powder or baby talc

to control crawling insects.  If you are far enough from a busy road

and neighbors, you may wish to consider raising guineas.  Guineas an

Asian jungle bird that make their living eating ticks, snakes and

rodents.  Guinea eggs can be used successfully in place of chicken

eggs.  The fowl can be prepared similar to chicken for the meat eaters

in the house hold.  For more information, please email me, this is

getting way off topic for herbs.



>Furthermore, my skin is beginning to crawl, I am insisting that everyone

>check themselves, and I am feeling a bit on the edge of insanity, at best.

>Does anyone have any information from which we could benefit?



That a good hot shower or bath, check for ticks, then rinse body and

hair with vinegar.  Vinegar seems to have a negative affect on most

insects and arachnids.  Eucalyptus soaps and shampoos also help keep

the little crawling beasts away.  



One of the B vitamins makes your blood taste nasty to any of the blood

sucking beasts.  Check your herbs for vitamin B sources and add these

foods to your diet.







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Subject: Re: TICKS!

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:29:38 -0500

--------

B12-- works great for me!



Hilary



Vandy Terre <vandyt@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

news:373de077.5334369@news.atl.bellsouth.net...

|

| One of the B vitamins makes your blood taste nasty to any of the blood

| sucking beasts.  Check your herbs for vitamin B sources and add these

| foods to your diet.

|









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Subject: Keeping scalp moist when hair is braided

From: rainbowmagik <rainbowmagik@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 11:01:36 -0700

--------

Hi



I get my hair braided every so often and the problem I have is my scalp

is so dry and keeping it moist with braids in is a challenge.



Before, I just used moisturizing lotion (I don't use the oil from the

store on my head, doesn't work), and it works wonderful. No problems.



But now, I know I'll be scratching like a dog after my hair is braided.



Any suggestions on keeping a oil sucking scalp from driving me insane?



Thanks!

Ry









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Subject: Re: Keeping scalp moist when hair is braided

From: "Jacqui McIntosh" <jacqui@bayberry.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 19:17:44 +0100

--------

One of my friends this week was complaining of a sore scalp, and I

immediately thought of infused marigold oil which she is going to try. Don't

know if it would work but worth a go!

Jacqui

rainbowmagik <rainbowmagik@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:3735CD7F.C24EEF92@hotmail.com...

> Hi

>

> I get my hair braided every so often and the problem I have is my scalp

> is so dry and keeping it moist with braids in is a challenge.

>

> Before, I just used moisturizing lotion (I don't use the oil from the

> store on my head, doesn't work), and it works wonderful. No problems.

>

> But now, I know I'll be scratching like a dog after my hair is braided.

>

> Any suggestions on keeping a oil sucking scalp from driving me insane?

>

> Thanks!

> Ry

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Leukoplakia

From: "Jim Hale" <kj5tf@madisoncounty.net>

Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:13:02 -0500

--------

My dentest says I have a small patch of Leukoplakia in the back of my mouth.



Looking around the web I see its suspected to be from the E. Barr virus I

think? And common in smokers. Turns into cancer in 2 - 3% of cases.....



Well, what herbs or natural treatments might work on this?



One thing that popped into my head was colodial silver - maybe???



Thanks -  Jim















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Subject: Angelica

From: "Jonathan Williams" <prime@minister.swinternet.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 23:12:56 +0100

--------

I have an Angelica plant which is soon to flower. Can anyone tell me :

1) What part of the plant can be candied. Is it the flower or leaf stem?

2) How to candy them

3) When candied how long will it last and should it be kept in the cupboard

or the fridge?

Thank you









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Subject: Re: Angelica

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:21:14 GMT

--------

On Sun, 9 May 1999 23:12:56 +0100, "Jonathan Williams"

<prime@minister.swinternet.co.uk> wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>I have an Angelica plant which is soon to flower. Can anyone tell me :

>1) What part of the plant can be candied. Is it the flower or leaf stem?



Young stems. It doesn't really matter if you take flower or leaf stems, but they

should still be soft.



>2) How to candy them



That's in the culinary herbfaq (see my .sig)



>3) When candied how long will it last and should it be kept in the cupboard

>or the fridge?



Candied things last in the cupboard, if you use enough sugar, and dry them. 

If you leave them in a sugary solution you need to store that in the fridge.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: perimenopause

From: Rosemarie <knots@mint.net>

Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 23:54:25 +0000

--------

Lj,



Two books I would highly recommend are "Menopausal Years" by Susun S.

Weed and "The Roots of Healing" by Deb Soule.



-Rosemarie





Lj Crabtree wrote:



> 

> any ladies out there experiencing peri symptoms --- i am interested in

> finding natural/herbal remedies (dosages, brands, types of

> herbs/blends); i am experiencing the following : short term memory loss,

> joint pain, weight gain, mood swings, "cold" flashes...HELP!

> 

> i have been to my nurse practitioner and been tested only to show normal

> levels     ( not unusual as levels can vary from hour to hour, day to

> day ).

> 

> "work like you don't need money, love like you've never been hurt, and

> dance like no one's watching..." --- anon





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Subject: Re: perimenopause

From: "marcus" <sales@tdinfo.com>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:44:11 +0800

--------

if you know and believe in chinese herbs, you may try Dong Quai (angelica

sinensis).

it is a very common and save chinese herb. all chinese know about it.

it is also named "Queen" of chinese herb, like Ginseng named "king" of

chinese herb.

Dong Qaui is very good for women,like PMS perimenopause etc.

contituents : A, B12, E.

if you have any chinese friends, you may ask for more info. nearly all

chinese know Dong Quai.

good luck.

mc, sales@tdinfo.com







Lj Crabtree g峹 <21609-373642C6-45@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

any ladies out there experiencing peri symptoms --- i am interested in

finding natural/herbal remedies (dosages, brands, types of

herbs/blends); i am experiencing the following : short term memory loss,

joint pain, weight gain, mood swings, "cold" flashes...HELP!



i have been to my nurse practitioner and been tested only to show normal

levels     ( not unusual as levels can vary from hour to hour, day to

day ).



"work like you don't need money, love like you've never been hurt, and

dance like no one's watching..." --- anon











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Subject: Re: perimenopause

From: johan de vries <johanvrt@telekabel.nl>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:54:10 +0200

--------

Hi.. I experienced the same symptoms and took a product called "melbrosia"

I was in Canada at the time and now am in Holland where it is not availabe.

It contained vitemins and bee pollen.   I took one pill a day and it worked

beautifully, especially for the mood swings.

If you can find this pill in your health food store I highly recommend

it.!!!!!

good luck

Paula



Lj Crabtree wrote:



> any ladies out there experiencing peri symptoms --- i am interested in

> finding natural/herbal remedies (dosages, brands, types of

> herbs/blends); i am experiencing the following : short term memory loss,

> joint pain, weight gain, mood swings, "cold" flashes...HELP!

>

> i have been to my nurse practitioner and been tested only to show normal

> levels     ( not unusual as levels can vary from hour to hour, day to

> day ).

>

> "work like you don't need money, love like you've never been hurt, and

> dance like no one's watching..." --- anon







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Subject: Re: perimenopause

From: suemilham@aol.com (Sue milham)

Date: 25 May 1999 00:02:05 GMT

--------

Believe it or not, plain green or black tea helped me.  Someone on the

menopause newsgroup suggested it and it stopped the hot flashes and other

symptoms for me.  Brew it strong and try it.  Easily accessible anywhere you

happen to be.  worth a try?



>ms_ctree@webtv.net (Lj Crabtree)

>Date: Sun, May 9, 1999 10:21 PM

wrote:

>any ladies out there experiencing peri symptoms --- i am interested in

>finding natural/herbal remedies (dosages, brands, types of

>herbs/blends); i am experiencing the following : short term memory loss,

>joint pain, weight gain, mood swings, "cold" flashes...HELP!

>

>i have been to my nurse practitioner and been tested only to show normal

>levels     ( not unusual as levels can vary from hour to hour, day to

>day ). 

>

>"work like you don't need money, love like you've never been hurt, and

>dance like no one's watching..." --- anon





Sue M.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: homeopathic acne treatment?

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 19:29:03 -0500

--------

I have bought a homeopathic acne remedy called Nature's Cure. It contains 60

tablets to be taken internally and a cream that is basically allopathic in

nature to supplement the pills. You take one tablet in the morning and one

at night. The tablets are comprised of walnut, silica, antimonious sulfide,

yeast, echinacea, potassium bromide, wild rosemary, oophorinum (listed as

"glandular"), calcium sulfide, vegetable carbon, black cohosh, frost weed,

graphite, and lactose (the only inactive ingredient). The cream is basically

benzoyl peroxide, water, allantoin, and aloe.



Has anyone else tried this treatment? It is recommended on the box to use it

for at least 2 months, up to 6 months. There is a "male" formula and a

"female" one. I bought it at the grocery store. I was just curious to know

if anyone else had ever tried this and if it worked for them. What are the

components good for? I mean I know echinacea and black cohosh and all that,

silica is sand, graphite is... well graphite, but what the heck is

oophorinum? What good is walnut to skin conditions? Anyone who knows their

homeopathic treatments, I am very interested in feedback on this. At any

rate I figured I would give it a shot. Nine bucks a month is nothing if it

works.



Hilary









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Subject: Re: homeopathic acne treatment?

From: aris2chat@aol.com (Aris2chat)

Date: 10 May 1999 15:09:06 GMT

--------

Tea tree oil or some thing with a sulfur base.  Chamomile can help some.  The

mushroom from Kombucha tea.  Yogurt.  

Acne can be treated  with antibiotics.  Many detox herbs can help.  So can

immunity boosters.  Unfortuatly it can be quite individual.  What works for one

many not work for others.

It's a bit more then just skin deep.  The skin is just one symptom of a greater

problem.



(\  ~  /)  Liz "Duchess" 

 ( \O/ )  Aris2chat@aol.com

   / " \  

 /       \"Angels take themselves lightly

 ~~~~~    That's why they have wing"





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Subject: Re: echinecia-link to infertility?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:42:56 GMT

--------

"Synchronicity" <Synchr0nicity@hotmail.com> wrote:





>I'm curious if anyone has heard any

>information on the link between echineciea and infertility and if so, what

>information they HAVE heard.



  In VITRO  (as in test tubes), when bathed in an extract, 

it did have an effect on sperm.

  However, there's a LONG way to go between that test and

actually proving that orally consumed echinacea has reaches sperm

and eggs in the same concentrations with the same constituents. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: echinecia-link to infertility?

From: Gay Nell Hilton <gnhilton@lcc.net>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 06:51:45 -0500

--------

Good Morning America did a piece on this a month or so back.  It is not

for certain that it causes infertility, they have done lab testing only,

no testing on humans or animals.  It was advised that if you were trying

to start a family not to use either product, but as far as it causing

infertility there is or has been no proof found unless its been within

the last month or so and I haven't seen or heard.



Just my .02

Gay Nell Hilton

Angels & More

http://www.angels-more.com





>I'm not sure if they were talking about

> it making a person less fertile during the period you are taking the herb,

> or if they were talking about long term problems.





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Subject: Re: echinecia-link to infertility?

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 10 May 1999 22:24:47 GMT

--------

>They were talking about a link

>between echinecia and infertility.



The head of sperm contain an enzyme called hyaluronidase which breaks down

hyaluronic acid on the egg to allow penetration of the sperm in to the egg.

Echinacea and myrrh are both hyalurionidase inhibitors. So the theory is that

these herbs can prevent the sperm from entering the egg by blocking the action

of the hyaluronidase. 





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Subject: Re: echinecia-link to infertility?

From: "Synchronicity" <Synchr0nicity@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:10:30 -0600

--------

Thanks for the responses. I have been trying to locate that information on

the www for quite a while now and have been unable to. Fabulous group. It's

nice to know there is information out there on both the pros AND cons of

herbal remedies.





Synchronicity









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Subject: Concussion symptoms: how to relieve

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:04:29 GMT

--------



A motorcycle-riding friend of mine had a close encounter of the

wrong kind with a tree ... broken clavicle, cracked ribs and a

moderately serious concussion,



  Time is the major ingredient, along with lying in a dark quiet

room, but are there any herbs that can minimize the throbbing

headache and nausea of the concussion.



  Something for the broken bones and bruises that is not

contraindicated by the concussion would be nice.  I think that

arnica gel is a bit weak.  

Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: Concussion symptoms: how to relieve

From: Victoria Dragon <victoria_dragon@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:22:30 GMT

--------



>   Something for the broken bones and bruises that is not

> contraindicated by the concussion would be nice.  I think that

> arnica gel is a bit weak.



This is not an herb, but salt (table works fine) and apple cidar

vinegar packs. They will work to prevent and dissolve bruises and

repair the damage. They're messy and stinky, but they work.



Victoria Dragon





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Subject: Re: Concussion symptoms: how to relieve

From: "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 01:32:16 GMT

--------

"Something for the broken bones and bruises that is not contraindicated by

the concussion would be nice."



This is a formula (inspired by Dr. Christopher) to help heal broken bones

and wounds; however I do not know how this may affect the concussion which

would require you do some additional research or wait until the concussion

is healed. The formula is:

Comfrey herb, white oak bark, marshmallow root, gravel root,  black walnut

hulls, slippery elm bark, and mullein leaves.  If you already know about

this, please forgive me. I have found that especially comfrey is an amazing

healer in this regard.



Another herb (German remedy)  to speed up healing inner bruises and injuries

is St. Johnswort, but again you will have to check out if this would be

contraindicated in concussion or if it were best to wait and use later?

Topical use of the former recipe (in poultice form) however should have no

ill effects to the concussion.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Complexion problems?

From: Jenni Detjen <jenner@leading.net>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:13:07 +0100

--------

I am 21 and have occasional bad breakouts of acne on my face,

particularly on my chin area. It really lowers my self esteem when I am

having a bad breakout and would like to know if there are any herbs or

supplements that anyone can suggest I try out. Currently I am using the

homeopathic ointment "Nelson's Acne Gel" and am having some succuss with

it but still am not satisfied.



It's just embarassing to have huge pimples on my face when I'm 21. I

would have liked to leave those troubles behind in my teenage years!



Thanks!

Jenni







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Complexion problems?

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:23:44 -0500

--------

I am taking saw palmetto and B vitamins. It will take a while, but I have

noticed my skin slowly clearing up.



Hilary



Jenni Detjen <jenner@leading.net> wrote in message

news:3736CD51.21893CB4@leading.net...

| I am 21 and have occasional bad breakouts of acne on my face,

| particularly on my chin area. It really lowers my self esteem when I am

| having a bad breakout and would like to know if there are any herbs or

| supplements that anyone can suggest I try out. Currently I am using the

| homeopathic ointment "Nelson's Acne Gel" and am having some succuss with

| it but still am not satisfied.

|

| It's just embarassing to have huge pimples on my face when I'm 21. I

| would have liked to leave those troubles behind in my teenage years!

|

| Thanks!

| Jenni

|









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Subject: Re: Complexion problems?

From: profwdesk1@aol.com (ProfWdesk1)

Date: 15 May 1999 03:01:50 GMT

--------

I get acne on my forehead and I'm 30 years old.  This is after having a clear

complexion in my teens.  I have been taking zinc supplements.  That really

seems to do the trick.  I also watch my consumption of fried foods as that has

been linked to my acne problems.





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Subject: Re: Complexion problems?

From: peacedawge@aol.com (PeaceDawge)

Date: 15 May 1999 22:57:41 GMT

--------

Zinc is good orally  as well as a  honey and crushed garlic mixture applied

topically to the eruptions after a gentle cornmeal and/or sea salt scrub.leave

it on as long as you are able(overnight) and then rinse off with warm water and

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Subject: Re: Complexion problems?

From: simon J okeeffe <simon_okeeffe@gjames.com.au>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:23:10 +0000

--------

I have had skin problems with zits etc as long as I can remember (I'm 25 now).



For the last few months I have been using straight Tea Tree oil.



Just dab a bit on a cotton ball and apply directly to affected area.



It burns a bit for a few minutes but It works a treat for me and others I know.



I have put on 6 kilograms since starting using the Tea Tree oil because I can eat

junk food again with out breakouts.  SWEET.



Simon.







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Subject: Re: Complexion problems?

From: beatgrrl@aol.comnospam (Beatgrrl)

Date: 18 May 1999 02:03:42 GMT

--------

>| I am 21 and have occasional bad breakouts of acne on my face,

>| particularly on my chin area. It really lowers my self esteem when I am

>| having a bad breakout



A simpler possibility -- do you rest your chin on your hands alot? A nurse who

worked for a dermatologist told me this causes a lot of breakouts (hands on the

face). For me she was right -- I was telling her how I kept breaking out along

my right jawbone area, which happens to be where I always rest my head on my

hand.



Diana









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Subject: Re: Complexion problems?

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 18 May 1999 07:18:51 GMT

--------

>>| I am 21 and have occasional bad breakouts of acne on my face,

>>| particularly on my chin area. It really lowers my self esteem when I am

>>| having a bad breakout

>

>A simpler possibility -- do you rest your chin on your hands alot? A nurse

>who

>worked for a dermatologist told me this causes a lot of breakouts (hands on

>the

>face). For me she was right -- I was telling her how I kept breaking out

>along

>my right jawbone area, which happens to be where I always rest my head on my

>hand.

>



This was also shown in tests where students were about to take to final exams.

It was found that during the high stress levels the students would touch their

faces a lot more while they were sleeping contributing to acne breakouts.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Complexion problems?

From: sunshqqn@aol.comNoJunk (SunshQQn)

Date: 19 May 1999 00:54:54 GMT

--------

> have occasional bad breakouts of acne on my face,

>>>| particularly on my chin area.





It was also suggested to change the pillowcases very frequently.  





Knowledge has never been known to enter the head through the mouth.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Complexion problems?

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:05:06 GMT

--------

> Knowledge has never been known to enter the head through the mouth.



Yeah, I know this is just a throwaway line, but...ever hear of taste buds?



-Rich











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Complexion problems?

From: "Evelyn Ruut" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:07:38 -0400

--------



Beatgrrl wrote in message <19990517220342.01648.00000976@ng-cg1.aol.com>...

>>| I am 21 and have occasional bad breakouts of acne on my face,

>>| particularly on my chin area. It really lowers my self esteem when I am

>>| having a bad breakout

>

>A simpler possibility -- do you rest your chin on your hands alot? A nurse

who

>worked for a dermatologist told me this causes a lot of breakouts (hands on

the

>face). For me she was right -- I was telling her how I kept breaking out

along

>my right jawbone area, which happens to be where I always rest my head on

my

>hand.

>

>Diana





Hi all,



Acne breakouts can be limited by certain simple steps.   First of all go to

the drugstore and get a bottle of Chelated Zinc Gluconate tablets 50 mg

size.   Take one every day and you will be absolutely amazed at the

difference.    Do not buy any other kind of zinc or any different size.   It

MUST be Chelated and Zinc Gluconate.    This stuff really works.



Secondly, as has been suggested here, keep your hands off your face, change

your pillowcase often, and keep your face clean, which brings us to this;



Thirdly, DO NOT SCOUR and SCRUB your face with anything stronger than your

two hands.   Use a gentle complexion soap, no scrubs or beauty grains or

anything like that.   This creates tiny injuries that give germs a place to

grow in, plus it sets up an irritation that continues on its own.    Soap up

and rinse twice....Blot dry with a clean cloth.



Moisturize with something very gentle after washing, if it makes your

outbreaks get worse it is because it has to get worse before it can get

better.   Your skin is trying to get rid of clogs in the pores if that

happens.   Just keep up the zinc and the gentle cleanliness routine and the

gentle moisturizer.



Peroxide can sometimes help keep infections at a minimum during this time

when your skin is trying to normalize itself.



Food does indeed affect the skin, high acid stuff like lots of spaghetti

sauce etc.   Regularity is important too.   Drinking WATER is very very very

important.  It is the means by which your body cleans itself.   I am NOT

speaking of soda or coffee or tea.



Some other known offenders?   Orange juice, milk, sugary foods, concentrated

tomatoes as in sauce, for some even wheat products.    Find which one

triggers your skin outbreaks.



Best of Luck,

Evelyn













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Complexion problems?

From: "Infomaui" <infomaui@tropicals.com>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:23:13 GMT

--------

Stay away from fat foods: burgers, fry chicken..., chocolate, pies etc.

Washing your face with chamomile or Melaleuca "tea"

will help 

Chris

You can grow your own Melaleuca email me for more information

infomaui@mauigateway.com



Patricia Geer <pgeer@gpd.fulton.ny.us> wrote in article

<37404DF5.B0F0A4E7@gpd.fulton.ny.us>...

> you could try Queen of Hungary Water as an astringent it has a myriad of

uses

> 

> Hilary wrote:

> 

> > I am taking saw palmetto and B vitamins. It will take a while, but I

have

> > noticed my skin slowly clearing up.

> >

> > Hilary

> >

> > Jenni Detjen <jenner@leading.net> wrote in message

> > news:3736CD51.21893CB4@leading.net...

> > | I am 21 and have occasional bad breakouts of acne on my face,

> > | 

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Complexion problems?

From: Jenni Detjen <jenner@leading.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:32:16 +0100

--------

Hi... I haven't checked this board in about a week. I can't beleive people

are still replying to my complexion question. Thanks!



I don't eat meat and tend to eat quite healthy.... how do you wash your face

with chamomile or Melaleuca tea?



And lastly, what is Queen of Hungry Water?



Thanks so much everyone!!

Jenni



Infomaui wrote:



> Stay away from fat foods: burgers, fry chicken..., chocolate, pies etc.

> Washing your face with chamomile or Melaleuca "tea"

> will help

> Chris

> You can grow your own Melaleuca email me for more information

> infomaui@mauigateway.com

>

> Patricia Geer <pgeer@gpd.fulton.ny.us> wrote in article

> <37404DF5.B0F0A4E7@gpd.fulton.ny.us>...

> > you could try Queen of Hungary Water as an astringent it has a myriad of

> uses

> >

> > Hilary wrote:

> >

> > > I am taking saw palmetto and B vitamins. It will take a while, but I

> have

> > > noticed my skin slowly clearing up.

> > >

> > > Hilary

> > >

> > > Jenni Detjen <jenner@leading.net> wrote in message

> > > news:3736CD51.21893CB4@leading.net...

> > > | I am 21 and have occasional bad breakouts of acne on my face,

> > > |

> >







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Complexion problems?

From: lookin_n_learnin@my-dejanews.com

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:01:49 GMT

--------

Some other things to consider:



Applying Ice may help an acne area to heal faster. This is refreshing

and makes your skin feel clean and healthy.



Alpha Hydroxy Acids can help too, but some are better than others. It is

counterintuitive to put acid on a breakout, but this has worked for me.



Acidophilus may help. Also colon cleansing. A "dirty" colon can cause

skin problems. I think the colon and skin are both involved in

detoxification, but maybe someone else will clarify this point.



Some Ayurvedic herbs are said to help both the liver and the skin, so

there may be a connection there.



I agree with the other poster who stressed being gentle with your skin

(avoiding scrubs, and so forth).



In article <3736CD51.21893CB4@leading.net>,

  jenner@leading.net wrote:

> I am 21 and have occasional bad breakouts of acne on my face,

> particularly on my chin area. It really lowers my self esteem when I am

> having a bad breakout and would like to know if there are any herbs or

> supplements that anyone can suggest I try out. Currently I am using the

> homeopathic ointment "Nelson's Acne Gel" and am having some succuss with

> it but still am not satisfied.

>

> It's just embarassing to have huge pimples on my face when I'm 21. I

> would have liked to leave those troubles behind in my teenage years!

>

> Thanks!

> Jenni

>

>





--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--

---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Complexion problems?

From: peacedawge@aol.com (PeaceDawge)

Date: 22 May 1999 08:17:24 GMT

--------

>I rubbed garlic over my problem area (jawline and chin) once and I got

>terrible blisters followed by red flaky skin for my troubles!



Yes!..straight garlic is too strong!..thats why you mix with honey...both are

natural antibiotics..and the tea is great for the rest of your face too!







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Complexion problems?

From: peacedawge@aol.com (PeaceDawge)

Date: 23 May 1999 03:28:14 GMT

--------

>

>Yes!..straight garlic is too strong!..thats why you mix with honey...both are

>natural antibiotics..and the tea is great for the rest of your face too!

>

>



Duh! I meant to write "and the HONEY is great for the rest of your face

too!"...lolol I never even mentioned tea..i don;t know where my mind was

...sorry....



Peace,

~*Jo*~





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help!!! I need good information for mt thesis paper

From: johnstnhp@aol.com (JohnStnhp)

Date: 10 May 1999 17:49:50 GMT

--------

Hi

Could anyone send me specific information about;

How the "Dandelion" has been used for medicinal purposes throughout the ages. 

If you have read or seen snipets of information or have it secure in a book

somewhere, could I ask of you to send me what you have. I thought I would have

attained more on this section of my Dandelion thesis than I have so far, I

don't want it to let me down. Your help will be appreciated tremendously.

John 

South Yorkshire

England

Please reply by email

JohnStnhp@aol.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help!

From: "Howard Flemming" <OUREDEN@email.msn.com>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:24:30 -0400

--------

If anyone can help me it would be greatly appreciated!  I have a list of

herbs that I need to know the common names for or any information at all

about where I can find them.

    Cinnamomum Tamale

    Plerocarpus Marsupeum

    Momordica Charantia

    Azardichia Indica

    Tinospera Cordifolia

    Aegle Marmelose

    Gymnema Sylvester

    Syzygium Cumini

    Trigonella Foenum Graccum









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help!

From: Dianosaur <fergu127@pilot.msu.edu>

Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:58:30 -0400

--------

Howard,

There is a good book called "The Plant-Book", 2nd ed., by D.J. Mabberley,

Cambridge University Press,1997, IBSN 0 521 41421 0.  I often come across

these types of requests in this newsgroup and I often see the answers in

this text.  It's an excellent source for common names and Latin binomials,

as well as for references to medicinal plants.

Diane



Howard Flemming wrote:



> If anyone can help me it would be greatly appreciated!  I have a list of

> herbs that I need to know the common names for or any information at all

> about where I can find them.

>     Cinnamomum Tamale



This is the cinnamon genus, but I don't recognize the species



>

>     Plerocarpus Marsupeum



misspelled, could be a number of things, pleiocarpa?  pleocarphus?



>

>     Momordica Charantia



in the squash family (Cucurbitaceae).  balsam pear, bitter cucumber,

leprosy gourd, tropical, naturalized in the SE US



>

>     Azardichia Indica



misspelled.  Closest thing I could find is Azadirachta indica = Meliaceae,

common name neem, nim, margosa, found in indomalaysia but widely cultivated

with loads of uses.



>

>     Tinospera Cordifolia



Tinospera is in the Menispermaceae (moonseed family), but Mabberely does

not refer to T. cordifolia at all as being a cultivar.



>

>     Aegle Marmelose



Rutaceae, citrus family, found in indomalaysia.  common names bael, beli,

Bengal quince, golden apple



>

>     Gymnema Sylvester



misspelled.  Should be Gymnema sylvestre, in the milkweed family

(Asclepiadaceae). old world tropics to Australia, S. Africa.  No common

names given.



>

>     Syzygium Cumini



Myrtaceae, same family as cloves, Eucalyptus, tea tree, etc.  S. cumini aka

jambolan, Java plum, found in Indomalaysa



>

>     Trigonella Foenum Graccum



Misspelled.  Probably Trigonella foenum-graecum, it is fenugreek, native to

Europe and Asia.











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help!

From: "Herb Lady" <herbs@mcmsys.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:25:46 -0500

--------

Hi! This is the first time I have posted to a news group, so let me know if

I am doing this wrong.



I can help you with a few of the names below.



Cinnamomum tamala is called Indian Cassia, and is used in Indian cuisine,

and is also used as an aldulterant in cinnamon.

Momordica charantia is called balsam pear, or bitter gourd, and is a gourd,

a food plant in the tropics.  Also medicinal.

Azadirachta indica is an herb used in Ayervedic medicine, and is also used

for its insecticidal properties.

Syzgium cumini is a type of cloves, and helps regulate blood sugar in

diabetes.

Trigonell foenum-graecum is used in Chinese and in Ayurvedic medicine.  It

is called hilba in Egypt.



This info is from The Herb Society of America Encyclopedia of Herbs, by Deni

Bown.  There is more info about each one in it, if you want more info.



Note that some of the spellings are different from yours.







Howard Flemming wrote in message ...

>If anyone can help me it would be greatly appreciated!  I have a list of

>herbs that I need to know the common names for or any information at all

>about where I can find them.

>    Cinnamomum Tamale

>    Plerocarpus Marsupeum

>    Momordica Charantia

>    Azardichia Indica

>    Tinospera Cordifolia

>    Aegle Marmelose

>    Gymnema Sylvester

>    Syzygium Cumini

>    Trigonella Foenum Graccum

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help!

From: "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 02:31:42 GMT

--------

Gymnema Sylvestre is Latin for the Ayurvedic herb known as Gurmar (in

Hindi), which means "sugar simulator". Usually the leaves are used in

diabetic related illnesses, as a sugar eliminator, and a diet aid.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Noni- Morinda citrifolia

From: ricesofhi@aol.com (RICESOFHI)

Date: 11 May 1999 00:24:20 GMT

--------

We were given some Noni seeds by a local man who wants to help keep the supply

of native plants going (we live in Hawaii). Any info on cultivation etc. will

be appreciated.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Noni- Morinda citrifolia

From: Dianosaur <fergu127@pilot.msu.edu>

Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:31:39 -0400

--------

Technically, Morinda citrifolia is not native to Hawaii.  It is found in

Indomalaysia through to Australia.  It is believed to be a Polynesian

introduction, used for dyes and other things.  Maybe this info will lead you to a

direction for cultivation info.

Diane



RICESOFHI wrote:



> We were given some Noni seeds by a local man who wants to help keep the supply

> of native plants going (we live in Hawaii). Any info on cultivation etc. will

> be appreciated.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Feverfew seeds available

From: "TomsFarm" <tomsfarm"@"earthlink.net>

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:28:49 -0400

--------

To all



Feverfew grows great in my zone 6 area, flowers great.

This year I am growing more plants for flowers then other reasons



Have seeds available.  Once you have some, it is easy to reseed and expand

next year.



email me if interested JUST be sure to fix the email address by taking out

the " marks to stop spamming.



No fee for SASE



tom











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: St. John's Wort

From: "Dr. Gareth Pengwerin" <ygaer@tyghet-da.u-net.com>

Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:37:08 +0000

--------

Can anyone tell me how long it takes for

St. John's Wort to clear out of the bodily 

systems?



Took 2,000 mgm. daily for 9 days before I

discovered it counters the effect of

anti-hypertensive drugs!  Still suffering

the effects - exacerbated hypertension.



Gareth





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: "il professore" <ilprof@thegrid.net>

Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:58:24 -0700

--------

Gareth,

Why did you decide to take more than the generally prescribed 900mg at day ?

No wonder you suffered from hypertension !  The day I stopped paying

outlandish prices for Prozac and started 900mg daily of SJW was the best day

of my life.

NORMAN



Dr. Gareth Pengwerin wrote in message

<37381664.538929@tyghet-da.u-net.com>...

>Can anyone tell me how long it takes for

>St. John's Wort to clear out of the bodily

>systems?

>

>Took 2,000 mgm. daily for 9 days before I

>discovered it counters the effect of

>anti-hypertensive drugs!  Still suffering

>the effects - exacerbated hypertension.

>

>Gareth









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: "DarkStarr" <darkstarr@pipeline.com>

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:50:17 -0700

--------

Norman,



How long did you wait for the Prozac to clear out of your system before

starting the SJW?  I would very much like to switch, but my understanding is

that the two do not mix well.

Thanks, Sari

<to reply, remove "nospam." from address>



il professore <ilprof@thegrid.net> wrote in message

news:xl4_2.594$i4.61403@alfalfa.thegrid.net...

>  The day I stopped paying

> outlandish prices for Prozac and started 900mg daily of SJW was the best

day

> of my life.

> NORMAN











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: "Dr. Gareth Pengwerin" <ygaer@tyghet-da.u-net.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:30:23 +0000

--------

il professore wrote:

> 

> >How long did you wait for the Prozac to clear out of your system

> before

> >starting the SJW?  I would very much like to switch, but my

> understanding

> is

> >that the two do not mix well.

> >Thanks, Sari

> 

> I stopped taking Prozac one day, and the very next I began with 3oo mg

> of

> SJW, increasing the dosage day by day until I reached 900mg. I had no

> difficulty just stopping Prozac. No ill-effects, but I can only speak

> for my

> system, no one else's.

> NORMAN



Thanks for your experiences, Norman.  I stopped Prozac

months ago because it produced insomnia.



Just took it into my head to try SJW because of

the current hyp re its value as an alternative.

At the time no one mentioned its adverse interaction

with anti-hypertensive drugs - and I'm on about four

different varieties of these.  Anyone in my situation,

i.e. with essential hypertension should beware of any

herbal product until they fully investigate its side-

effects.



Guess I'll have to wait and see how long it takes for

the SJW to clear.  BTW - the 2,000 mgm caps were sold

to me as a reasonably standard dose by the Health Store.



Gareth





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: St. John's Wort

From: "Graham C" <ycl79@dial.pipex.com>

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:13:58 +0100

--------

I started today to take St. John's Wort in the hope that it will help me to

get over my feelings of depression.

Can you tell me how long it will take before it starts to have an effect?.

Graham









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: "louise & mike gourdoux" <lgourdoux@centuryinter.net>

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 09:20:53 -0500

--------

Hi Graham,

   I have been taking St Johns Wort for over a year now. When things get

going real good I stop taking it. For me I feel the effects within a couple

of days.

   Its important to remember that we all react differently to drugs and

herbs. Your experience could very well be much different than mine. If it

doesn't work right away give it time. For me this herb has been nothing

short of a miracle!

   Good luck to you!!

       Mike G



Graham C wrote in message <7isdc5$4fg$1@lure.pipex.net>...

>I started today to take St. John's Wort in the hope that it will help me to

>get over my feelings of depression.

>Can you tell me how long it will take before it starts to have an effect?.

>Graham

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: mavinci2@aol.compost (MaVinci2)

Date: 31 May 1999 00:53:51 GMT

--------

>I started today to take St. John's Wort in the hope that it will help me to

>get over my feelings of depression.

>Can you tell me how long it will take before it starts to have an effect?.



They say to give it a good 5 or 6 weeks, but

for me it was absolutely working with no question whatsoever in 8 days.  I was

com-

pletely amazed (and continue to be).



Robin





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:13:06 -0500

--------

There is a wide range of normal for SJW... it could be anywhere from two

weeks to 2 months. Most people I think get better results using a tincture

or an extract.



Hilary



Graham C <ycl79@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message

news:7isdc5$4fg$1@lure.pipex.net...

| I started today to take St. John's Wort in the hope that it will help me

to

| get over my feelings of depression.

| Can you tell me how long it will take before it starts to have an effect?.

| Graham

|

|









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: "Taysha Davis" <staff@NOSPAMaspenbotanicals.com>

Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:54:20 -0700

--------

Just a St. Johns warning:



Do not eat cheese or drink alcohol while taking St. Johns Wort as this can

cause your blood pressure to sky rocket to dangerous levels.



St. Johns Wort has a similarity to epilepsy drugs whereby even if you are

not epileptic, if you stop taking the meds you can suffer from epileptic

seizures for a few days.  Be sure you really want to take this, not everyone

has these seizures but they can be hell if they happen.



Do you suffer from heart palpitations, panic attacks, irritable bowel

syndrome, stomach aches, fainting and sensitivity to medications?  If so,

let me know as there may be a physical cause for this depression.



--

Taysha Davis

Aspen Botanicals Aromatherapy Products

www.aspenbotanicals.com







Graham C <ycl79@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message

news:7isdc5$4fg$1@lure.pipex.net...

> I started today to take St. John's Wort in the hope that it will help me

to

> get over my feelings of depression.

> Can you tell me how long it will take before it starts to have an effect?.

> Graham

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: mavinci2@aol.compost (MaVinci2)

Date: 31 May 1999 18:17:07 GMT

--------

>Just a St. Johns warning:

>

>Do not eat cheese or drink alcohol while taking St. Johns Wort as this can

>cause your blood pressure to sky rocket to dangerous levels.



I do both, and I take SJW.  No problem

here.



Robin





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 31 May 1999 20:20:25 GMT

--------

>Just a St. Johns warning:

>

>Do not eat cheese or drink alcohol while taking St. Johns Wort as this can

>cause your blood pressure to sky rocket to dangerous levels.

>



This is true if you are taking MAO (monoamine oxidase) inhibitors. SJW was once

thought to be an MAO inhibitor, but is now believed to be a selective serotonin

reuptake inhibitor (SSRI).





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: "Graham C" <ycl79@dial.pipex.com>

Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:59:38 +0100

--------

Many thanks to all who replied to my question about St. John's Wort.

The type I am taking is made by Kira Limited in Germay and is to be taken

once per day. It is in the form of a tablet containing a concentrated

standardised extract of Hypericum perforatum L in dried form containing 900

micrograms of hypericin. There are other makes which you are supposed to

take 3 times a day, and someone replied to me that the tincture is sometimes

more effective. I wonder if anyone has any thoughts on the type of

preparation which is most effective? Maybe it varies from person to person.

I do not suffer from any of the symptons that Taysha described, but thank

you for your concern.

Graham













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs that cross blood-brain barrier?

From: mikes688@webtv.net

Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:14:31 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Please - looking for herbs that can cross the blood-brain barrier and

reduce inflammation in the brain? Will turmeric do this? Thank you!



Mike.  mikes688@webtv.net







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: agoraphobia (fear of leaving my home)

From: spiritman0@aol.com (SpiritMan0)

Date: 11 May 1999 13:54:24 GMT

--------

hi



any ideas on what kind of herbs can I take to rid my phobia?



can resue remedy or valarian root work?



need to get out so bad...miss the outside world.

been homebound over 3 yrs now.

bob





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: agoraphobia (fear of leaving my home)

From: "Suze" <loom@alphalink.com.au>

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:52:52 +1000

--------

Dear Bob,

Herbs won't solve whatever the underlying problem is that's

manifesting as agrophobia, they might relieve the symptoms, I've

had a brush with this myself, so I do sympathize, support from

caring people, courage, reading experience of others, hope &

confidence are what's needed.  and keep posting, I'll talk to

you.  All the best





SpiritMan0 wrote in message

<19990511095424.14593.00001941@ng-fz1.aol.com>...

>hi

>

>any ideas on what kind of herbs can I take to rid my phobia?

>

>can resue remedy or valarian root work?

>

>need to get out so bad...miss the outside world.

>been homebound over 3 yrs now.

>bob









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: agoraphobia (fear of leaving my home)

From: snowshoe@xyz.net (Jan Flora)

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 02:38:21 -0800

--------

In article <19990511095424.14593.00001941@ng-fz1.aol.com>,

spiritman0@aol.com (SpiritMan0) wrote:



>hi

>

>any ideas on what kind of herbs can I take to rid my phobia?

>

>can resue remedy or valarian root work?

>

>need to get out so bad...miss the outside world.

>been homebound over 3 yrs now.

>bob



Try Rescue Remedy. That, in itself, may be all you need to

venture forth out into the world. I use it on myself and

my horses, when I have to kill an animal. It's for anxiety.

It works.



Get yourself to counseling. Valarian isn't for anxiety -- it's 

to make your mind shut-up so you can sleep.

(I use valarian when I worry too much to sleep. It works. It

makes your mind shut-up, so you can rest.)



There are some really good drugs now for anxiety. I take

Paxill for depression, but it's also for anxiety. It's a lifesaver.

It's expensive, but if it improves your quality of life, it's

worth it.



Listen, bud -- just being out of society for a few years can make

*anyone* anxious. I've been out here on the ranch and up on my

mining claims in the bush for 5 years. I didn't use to fear being

out. I had to stand in the local post office for 20 minutes last

week and almost lost it. You lose your social skills, if you hole-up

for too long. I'm happy being at home with my cows and horses,

so I don't miss "society," but not being able to go out when you want

to really *is* awful. I'm not agorophobic, but I can't handle being in

crowds of strangers anymore. I've been in Alaska for 10 years.

I generally know all of the people I see. When I had to ride on an

airplane to America a few years ago, I was struck by the fact

that I didn't know a single person on the plane, and it scared me!



Good luck. Email me, if you need someone to talk to. You aren't alone.



   Jan



snowshoe@xyz.net





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Subject: Re: agoraphobia (fear of leaving my home)

From: "Romy Schumann" <%%schumann@yebo.co.za%%>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:41:11 +0200

--------

>In article <19990511095424.14593.00001941@ng-fz1.aol.com>,

>spiritman0@aol.com (SpiritMan0) wrote:

>

>>hi

>>

>>any ideas on what kind of herbs can I take to rid my phobia?

>>

>>can rescue remedy or valerian root work?

>>

>>need to get out so bad...miss the outside world.

>>been homebound over 3 yrs now.

>>bob

>



> I'm not agoraphobic, but I can't handle being in

>crowds of strangers anymore. I've been in Alaska for 10 years.

>I generally know all of the people I see. When I had to ride on an

>airplane to America a few years ago, I was struck by the fact

>that I didn't know a single person on the plane, and it scared me!

>

>Good luck. Email me, if you need someone to talk to. You aren't alone.

>

>   Jan

>

>snowshoe@xyz.net





I agree with not having to be agoraphobic to feel that form of anxiety. I

live in a city and am constantly surrounded by crowds. I sometimes find even

standing in a queue with strangers can be stressful. I do envy you the

opportunity to live in the country away from the clutter of the towns and

cities.



One little tip that I found sometimes works (though not in places like the

London underground where people deliberately 'block out' strangers): try to

make a friend of the stranger next to you. This works especially well on

journeys, like a plane or train. Make some innocuous comment. If they don't

respond then there isn't much you can do, but you might be surprised -

almost everyone responds to a bit of friendliness, as underneath they're

just as intimidated by you as you are by them.



Once, when I was travelling from London to Scotland by train, I sat across

from a woman (a retired schoolteacher) who started a conversation with the

young man sitting next to her. Within an hour or so we had a lively four-way

conversation going, and to this day (almost three years on) she and I still

correspond .....



Best wishes,

ROMY











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Subject: Re: agoraphobia (fear of leaving my home)

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:35:00 -0700

--------

I would certainly try Rescue Remedy. You might also use kava.



Ingrid









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Subject: RE:Baking soda for Dandruff- Like to hear comments

From: "Donnie or Stephanie Sorrells" <sorrells@netdot.com>

Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 07:16:00 -0700

--------

I'm not sure who posted about using baking soda for dandruff but I thought

I'd let y'all know that it does work!!

My daughter who is 10, had dandruff really bad (like cradle cap). It was so

thick that you couldn't see her scalp or the pores where the hair grew from.

We used the baking soda only one time and 95% of the caking is gone. We

tried ALL the OTC preps. without any luck. I was amazed t how well it

worked.

Can anyone tell me how often it can be used as a shampoo?

An added advantage of the baking soda that I found when trying it on my hair

is that it is and EXCELLENT exfoliant for the entire body (watch the

eyes!!).

Thanks,

Stephanie









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Subject: RE:Baking soda for Dandruff- Like to hear comments

From: Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:56:16 GMT

--------

In article <7h9738$2vs$1@news.onramp.net>,

  "Donnie or Stephanie Sorrells" <sorrells@netdot.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure who posted about using baking soda for dandruff but I

thought

> I'd let y'all know that it does work!!

> My daughter who is 10, had dandruff really bad (like cradle cap). It

was so

> thick that you couldn't see her scalp or the pores where the hair grew

from.

> We used the baking soda only one time and 95% of the caking is gone.

We

> tried ALL the OTC preps. without any luck. I was amazed t how well it

> worked.

> Can anyone tell me how often it can be used as a shampoo?

> An added advantage of the baking soda that I found when trying it on

my hair

> is that it is and EXCELLENT exfoliant for the entire body (watch the

> eyes!!).

> Thanks,

> Stephanie







Stephanie, make a regular shampoo for your daughter with red clover,

horsetail, and echinacea in it, in addition to a little baking soda.

These herbs will be soothing to her scalp and let you continue to use

the baking soda.

>

>





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Subject: Need cure for Leukoplakia oral virus

From: "Jim Hale" <kj5tf@madisoncounty.net>

Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:35:39 -0500

--------

My dentest says I have a small patch of Leukoplakia in the back of my mouth.



Looking around the web I see its suspected to be from the E. Barr virus I

think? And common in smokers. Turns into cancer in 2 - 3% of cases.....



Well, what herbs or natural treatments might work on this?



One thing that popped into my head was colodial silver - maybe???



Thanks -  Jim













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ant Repellant ???

From: eggs@telusxplanet.net (elaine)

Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:22:39 GMT

--------

Hi,



Local ants have made their way into the corner of my back porch and

are spilling out into the house. What herb would make a good ant

repellant to sprinkle/pour into their access hole to make them go a

different direction?



Thanks,

Elaine

remove x from email to reply





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Subject: Re: Ant Repellant ???

From: kiminy@couriernet.infi.net (Kim)

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:30:34 GMT

--------

On Tue, 11 May 1999 19:22:39 GMT, eggs@telusxplanet.net (elaine)

wrote:



>Hi,

>

>Local ants have made their way into the corner of my back porch and

>are spilling out into the house. What herb would make a good ant

>repellant to sprinkle/pour into their access hole to make them go a

>different direction?



Mint worked well for me.  I planted some just outside the crack that

the ants used for access, and filled in the access with crushed mint

leaves.  Never saw another ant in the kitchen.



Kim







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Subject: Re: Ant Repellant ???

From: m0jojuju@aol.com (M0JOJUJU)

Date: 16 May 1999 04:15:56 GMT

--------

wipe down the area with equal parts apple cider vinegar & water. That should do

the trick! :-)

Peace,

*Jo*



*The Mojo Juju Magick Shoppe*

http://www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/bayou/9084/index.html

"Whatever works..."





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Subject: Re: Ant Repellant ???

From: Patricia Geer <pgeer@gpd.fulton.ny.us>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:07:41 -0400

--------

tru Tansey - I had a problem with carpenter ants several years ago and

after dumping a lot of money into professional chemical peddlers the

problem came back

(the next year) so I transplanted the tansey from my back garden to the

area around the foundation of the house where I was having the problem

and since then I have not been bothered with ants so I believe it is

worth a try - Be forwarned that tansy is a spreader so if you plant it

be prepared for a lot of tansey!



elaine wrote:



> Hi,

>

> Local ants have made their way into the corner of my back porch and

> are spilling out into the house. What herb would make a good ant

> repellant to sprinkle/pour into their access hole to make them go a

> different direction?

>

> Thanks,

> Elaine

> remove x from email to reply







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Subject: Re: Ant Repellant ???

From: "Herb Lady" <herbs@mcmsys.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:10:15 -0500

--------

It used to be an old (pioneer/colonial?) custom to always plant tansy next

to the back door, to keep the ants from coming in.





>elaine wrote:

>

>> Hi,

>>

>> Local ants have made their way into the corner of my back porch and

>> are spilling out into the house. What herb would make a good ant

>> repellant to sprinkle/pour into their access hole to make them go a

>> different direction?











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Subject: Re: Ant Repellant ???

From: "MindSpring User" <rjmozer@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:43:23 -0400

--------

Yes, tansy is an excellent ant repellant.  I've also

been told that ants will not cross a line of lemon

juice.  I've tried it with great success.  You can

use natural lemon juice or products containing

lemon such as furniture polish or liquid deter-

gent, depending on the site.  You should be

aware that when (carpenter) ants feel threatened,

they will take the colony's eggs and move further

from site of attack (possibly further into your house's

framework).



Good luck.



Betsy



-----Original Message-----

From: Herb Lady <herbs@mcmsys.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 1:10 PM

Subject: Re: Ant Repellant ???



Herb Lady wrote in message <7hs72g$72v$1@news.mcmsys.com>...

>It used to be an old (pioneer/colonial?) custom to always plant tansy next

>to the back door, to keep the ants from coming in.

>

>

>>elaine wrote:

>>

>>> Hi,

>>>

>>> Local ants have made their way into the corner of my back porch and

>>> are spilling out into the house. What herb would make a good ant

>>> repellant to sprinkle/pour into their access hole to make them go a

>>> different direction?

>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: grow ginseng for profit

From: tginseng1@aol.com (TGinseng1)

Date: 12 May 1999 00:16:28 GMT

--------

Learn to grow the most lucrative legal crop in the world. THE GINSENG JOURNAL:

A BACKYARD GROWERS GUIDE  For free information about ginseng  e-mail me :

TGinseng1@aol.com





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Subject: Re: grow ginseng for profit

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 12 May 1999 01:47:03 GMT

--------

>> Learn to grow the most lucrative legal crop in the world. THE GINSENG

JOURNAL: A BACKYARD GROWERS GUIDE  For free information about ginseng  e-mail

me : TGinseng1@aol.com <<



I would like to know more please. Thanks in advance.



Irwin Green



PS: Oh, by the way, I live in Tennessee. I understand that our state has some

kind of legislation that requires some kind of special permit for ginseng

dealers. Is this the norm for other states as well?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: grow ginseng for profit

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:53:19 -0700

--------





IrwinGreen wrote:



> >> Learn to grow the most lucrative legal crop in the world. THE GINSENG

> JOURNAL: A BACKYARD GROWERS GUIDE  For free information about ginseng  e-mail

> me : TGinseng1@aol.com <<

>

> I would like to know more please. Thanks in advance.

>

> Irwin Green

>

> PS: Oh, by the way, I live in Tennessee. I understand that our state has some

> kind of legislation that requires some kind of special permit for ginseng

> dealers. Is this the norm for other states as well?



I dont know how lucrative a crop is that takes four years of growth before it is

even reasonable to harvest as poor quality stuff compared to longer grown

plants... j o  s    h









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Subject: Re: grow ginseng for profit

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:40:52 -0700

--------

It takes 4 of more years before you can harvest your ginseng so this is not

a quick way to money...but we do need to cultivate ginseng vs take from the

wild.  You could also  consider cultivatin goldenseal.



Ingrid









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sprouting Herb Seeds.

From: simon J okeeffe <simon_okeeffe@gjames.com.au>

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:41:45 +0000

--------



Hi Everybody,



    I was wondering if any of you people could help me with seed

germination.

I ordered some seeds online and have been trying to get them to sprout

for the last few months.



I have most of the seeds in a sprouting container on special seeds

sprouting mats.



I had good success with St Johns Wort.



Bad to nil success with...



Skullcap 0% germination

Patchouli  <5% germination

The following two are being sprouted in the fridge ...

Angelica 0% germination

Echinacea Angustifolia 0% germination.



Also I have tried a few times to sprout Dill, Fennel and Fenugreek with

no success.



Please help me sprout these seeds. I have a hell of a time finding herbs

around my area

and would really like to have a nice collection of herbs. Sprouting is

my best hope.



Thanks



Simon.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sprouting Herb Seeds.

From: diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu>

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:14:30 -0400

--------

simon J okeeffe wrote:

> 

> Hi Everybody,

> 

>     I was wondering if any of you people could help me with seed

> germination.

> I ordered some seeds online and have been trying to get them to sprout

> for the last few months.

> 

> I have most of the seeds in a sprouting container on special seeds

> sprouting mats.



> Also I have tried a few times to sprout Dill, Fennel and Fenugreek with

> no success.



Dill was very easy for me. I haven't tried the other two.



> Please help me sprout these seeds. I have a hell of a time finding herbs

> around my area

> and would really like to have a nice collection of herbs. Sprouting is

> my best hope.



Where are the seeds? Are they warm? Do they have sufficient light? What

kind of growing medium are they in? Is the soil wet or dry?



I have had excellent results using a seed propagating system that i

ordered from www.garden.com. It comes with a lid and keeps the seeds

moist with a wicking mat. I also use a florescent grow bulb that is

about 4-5" above the seeds.



-- 

           Diana Cascioli | Cattle die, kindred die,

        GW Graphic Design | Every man is mortal:

            raven@gwu.edu | But the good name never dies 

gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~raven | Of one who has done well





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Subject: Re: Sprouting Herb Seeds.

From: Rosemarie <knots@mint.net>

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:34:50 +0000

--------

Simon,

I am far from the final word on how to germinate seeds, but I have been

gardening for almost 30 years and am happy to share my experience with

you.

I think you have picked some of the more difficult herbs to try to start

from seed. I have had sporatic success (this year was good) with

skullcap. I sowed seeds in a flat and refridgerated it for a couple of

weeks. Then gave it good light and kept it moist. Echinacea angustifolia

is not only more difficult to germinate than E. purpurea, but also more

difficult to grow. I think it needs the refridgerator treatment also. I

tried to do it in Maine with less than desireable results- so for me it

was nix the E.angustifolia.



Angelica seeds must be fresh in order to germinate and I have often been

told that one can expect best results when the plant self-sows in ones

garden.



I too, found St. Johnswort rather cooperative. These plants also

self-sow in the garden.



I don't have experience with the others.



I prefer to start what herbs I grow, from seed but when I can't, I buy

plants from Richters; Goodwood, Ontario, L0C 1A0; 905-640-6677; Email:

orderdesk@richters.com; Web: www.richters.com  They are also a good

source for seeds and so is J.L.Hudson, Seedsman;  Star Route 2, Box

337,LaHonda, CA 94020.



Good luck, good growing!

Rosemarie





simon J okeeffe wrote:

> 

> Hi Everybody,

> 

>     I was wondering if any of you people could help me with seed

> germination.

> I ordered some seeds online and have been trying to get them to sprout

> for the last few months. ...(snip)

>





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Subject: Re: Sprouting Herb Seeds.

From: vri@Sun.COM (Revathi Iyengar)

Date: 13 May 1999 16:10:05 GMT

--------

I dont know about other seeds, but I can help with fenugreek.  Start

by soaking the seeds in water for a few hours, until they are noticeably

swollen.  Drain, cover, and place in a dark place (inside of a cupboard

will do) for a day.  You should see the seeds sprouting then, and can

transfer to your pots or ground.  



Good luck,



Revathi



simon J okeeffe (simon_okeeffe@gjames.com.au) wrote:



: Hi Everybody,



:     I was wondering if any of you people could help me with seed

: germination.

: I ordered some seeds online and have been trying to get them to sprout

: for the last few months.



: I have most of the seeds in a sprouting container on special seeds

: sprouting mats.



: I had good success with St Johns Wort.



: Bad to nil success with...



: Skullcap 0% germination

: Patchouli  <5% germination

: The following two are being sprouted in the fridge ...

: Angelica 0% germination

: Echinacea Angustifolia 0% germination.



: Also I have tried a few times to sprout Dill, Fennel and Fenugreek with

: no success.



: Please help me sprout these seeds. I have a hell of a time finding herbs

: around my area

: and would really like to have a nice collection of herbs. Sprouting is

: my best hope.



: Thanks



: Simon.









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Subject: Re: Sprouting Herb Seeds.

From: "Herb Lady" <herbs@mcmsys.com>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:37:56 -0500

--------

>> Echinacea Angustifolia 0% germination.

>



Rich said:

>Patience.  E. angustifolia can take up to 60 or more days of refrigeration

>before germination.  You may also have to remove the seeds from

>refrigeration before sprouting will occur.

>



Echinacea Angustifolia requires a cold wet stratification period of 4-6

weeks.  This means that you need to get the seeds damp, then place them in

the refrigerator for 4-6 weeks.  Mixing the seeds in a plastic baggy with a

couple of teaspoons of sand, helps to distribute the water, and keep them

damp (not wet).  Don't seal the baggy - leave open to the air.



After 6 wks, take the baggy out of the refrigerator.  You can either sew in

pots right then, or let the baggy sit in a window for a few days, till the

seeds sprout; then plant.



I have had great success with this method - about 80 -90% germination.













==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sprouting Herb Seeds.

From: simon J okeeffe <simon_okeeffe@gjames.com.au>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:17:27 +0000

--------

> Some seeds either require stratification or have a very short shelf life.

> These may have bad seeds though (too hold or improperly stored) if you

> aren't getting better than these percentages.

>



I planted some of each of the seeds as soon as I recieved them.

The ones that specified cold stratification were stored in the fridge.

(Is this the only way of cold stratification in warmer climates)



>

> > The following two are being sprouted in the fridge ...

> > Angelica 0% germination

>



> > Echinacea Angustifolia 0% germination.

>

> Patience.  E. angustifolia can take up to 60 or more days of refrigeration

> before germination.  You may also have to remove the seeds from

> refrigeration before sprouting will occur.



Should I remove some of the Echinacae seeds into a lighted sprouting container

after 2 months in the fridge? It is coming into winter where I live.



>

>

> > Also I have tried a few times to sprout Dill, Fennel and Fenugreek with

> > no success.



All these seeds came from a local health shop and I have my doubts as to their

viability.

Just thought I'de ask instead of throwing away good seeds because of my lack of

knowledge.



>

>

> Simon, I don't know where you are, but get seed from a *reputable*

> mail-order supplier and plant it as soon as possible after receiving it.

> "Online" may be part of the problem, though you don't mention the source...



All the seeds except the Dill Fennel and Fenugreek came from Richers.com in

Canada.



Thanks a lot to all who answered my questions.



BTW how much room do I allow for the SJW and Patchouli plants when planting

them.

While off subject is there any Reference Books for sale explaining the sort of

infomation I need for growing Herbs from seed to seed.



Any tips for the rearing of the patchouli seedlings is appreciated I just love

this herb and only 2 seedlings sprouted so I want to give them a good chance of

survival.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: rose beads

From: Darin and Amanda Bray <felixone@mindspring.com>

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:19:12 -0400

--------

I have found a recipes for making old fashioned rose beads! i am dying

to try it, as i have been faithfully drying petals and have tons....what

i don't have is the rose water required to complete the recipe...i can't

find it to buy here, and i don't know a good way to make it. Any

suggestions? Thanks,      Button







==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: rose beads

From: Rosemarie <knots@mint.net>

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:41:48 +0000

--------

The Shakers, at Sabbath Day Lake in Maine might sell this product. I

don't have a better address. Also, did you look for rose water in a

gourmet food/ingredients shop. It is sold with food flavorings like

almond extract, or orange flavoring, but you will need to find an

upscale shop or catalog.

Good luck!

Rosemarie





Darin and Amanda Bray wrote:

> 

> I have found a recipes for making old fashioned rose beads! i am dying

> to try it, as i have been faithfully drying petals and have tons....what

> i don't have is the rose water required to complete the recipe...i can't

> find it to buy here, and i don't know a good way to make it. Any

> suggestions? Thanks,      Button





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: rose beads

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:41:54 -0700

--------

Do you have an international market near you? Rose water is used in middle

eastern cooking. Also you may find at a drug store (the old fashioned kind

not a chain)



Ingrid









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Subject: Re: rose beads

From: Patricia Geer <pgeer@gpd.fulton.ny.us>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:50:54 -0400

--------

I don't know where you live but any herb supplier will have rose water -

also some

pharmacies still carry it but you have to ask for it ( chain store

pharmacies like Eckerd, Walmart,etc are not a good bet but local pharmacies

should be).  If you live in the states mail order herb places are a good

bet)



Darin and Amanda Bray wrote:



> I have found a recipes for making old fashioned rose beads! i am dying

> to try it, as i have been faithfully drying petals and have tons....what

> i don't have is the rose water required to complete the recipe...i can't

> find it to buy here, and i don't know a good way to make it. Any

> suggestions? Thanks,      Button







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Subject: Re: rose beads

From: "Ootchie" <oddysea@geocities.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:19:35 GMT

--------

Hi I haven't tried this recipe yet so if u try it let me know if it

works well Rose Water



Recipe for Rosewater

Petals from two fresh roses



Place the petals and  inch water in a small saucepan, heat until the

petals are translucent.



michelle 

--

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Subject: Re: rose beads

From: "Freebird" <freebird@ticnet.com>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:18:46 -0500

--------

Homemade Rosewater:  In an enamel or stainless steel pan, cover several

handfuls of fresh, spray-free rose petals with pure spring or distilled

water, and bring slowly to a boil.  Stir occasionally with a wooden or

porcelain spoon.  Simmer for 10 minutes, strain through clean cheesecloth

and/or a coffee filter, and bottle.  Refrigerate and use within a week or

two.







Rose Beads:  You will need about a half bushel of rose petals.  The best

kind for fragrance, and also the most available, are the old "wild" roses --

the kind that grow along stone walls and fences and around old cellar holes.

pick the petals only, or pick up those fresh ones that have fallen to the

ground.  The petals may be faded, but they must be fresh, not dried or

brown.  Gather about a shopping bag full.  This may sound impossible, but if

you find an old rose bush, you will be amazed at how fast the picking goes.

By picking only the petals, you avoid later sorting and don't interfere with

thhe development of rose hips if the bush is a hip-bearing kind.



Put the petals through a food grinder.  The result will be a mass that

resembles modeling clay.  Put the ground petals in a cast-iron skillet or

pot (be sure there's not rust in the pot), and regrind daily for 2 weeks.

You will see the paste become thicker each day until it reaches a

consistency where it can be formed into smooth, hard beads.  To do this,

roll little lumps until they are smooth and well-rounded.  Put a large

common pin through the center of each and stick the pin into a soft board.

Continue rolling, piercing, and attaching to the soft board (at least 1/2

inch apart) until you have as many beads as you need.  Keep in mind that the

finished bead will be half the size of the freshly made one.  It will take

about 60 for an adult-sized necklace.



Let the beads dry for at least two weeks -- longer if the weather is humid.

Remove the pins and polish each bead with flannel or other soft cloth.

String them on button thread, using a dark color so it will blend with the

mahogany tones of the beads.  Polish the entire string of beads (which

highlights them and is easier than doing each bead).  The beads will release

the rose scent when worn against warm skin for generations to come.  Store

with a note detailing when and how they were made, and pass them on to your

children.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: rose beads

From: jlr54@pipeline.com (J & J)

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:21:30 GMT

--------

On Wed, 12 May 1999 15:19:12 -0400, Darin and Amanda Bray

<felixone@mindspring.com> wrote:



>I have found a recipes for making old fashioned rose beads! i am dying

>to try it, as i have been faithfully drying petals and have tons....what

>i don't have is the rose water required to complete the recipe...i can't

>find it to buy here, and i don't know a good way to make it. Any

>suggestions? Thanks,      Button



I asked this question about a month ago. I see you got a couple of

good answers, ut you might want to do a Deja News search for

'Rosewater' or use my addy for a few more. The answers were kind of

long, so I didn't want to repost them. I think someone also gave me a

recipe for rose wine.

Julia

--"This wasn't in the brochure."--Billy Crystal





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Subject: Re: rose beads

From: "rustycat" <rustycat@cpis.net>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:20:01 GMT

--------

Dear Button,

   several years ago my grandmother found rose water and orange water at

the drug store. She had to ask behind the counter. They weren't on the

shelf.

Good luck.

Cathy



Darin and Amanda Bray <felixone@mindspring.com> wrote in article

<3739D430.B75AACE4@mindspring.com>...

> I have found a recipes for making old fashioned rose beads! i am dying

> to try it, as i have been faithfully drying petals and have tons....what

> i don't have is the rose water required to complete the recipe...i can't

> find it to buy here, and i don't know a good way to make it. Any

> suggestions? Thanks,      Button

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: Herbal Software

From: kgreen@juliet.albedo.net (KENNETH STUART GREEN)

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:56:37 GMT

--------

I too would be interested in getting my hands on some excellent

software.  I've seen lots of packages but they werent worth much.  Is

there some excellent quality software that anyone is aware of?









On Wed, 12 May 1999 21:23:21 GMT, rebeccabuchbinder@juno.com wrote:



>Hi,

>

>Does anyone know where I can find herbal software, that includes a

>repertory-like search function for herbs?

>

>Rebecca

>

>

>--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--

>---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---







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Subject: Re: Herbal Software

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:15:39 -0500

--------

www.self-realization.com

has some software called "wellness" that seems to be very comprehensive. It

is a small download and I enjoy it. It is from Zentrum publishing.



Hilary



<rebeccabuchbinder@juno.com> wrote in message

news:7hcrg3$qm5$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

| Hi,

|

| Does anyone know where I can find herbal software, that includes a

| repertory-like search function for herbs?

|

| Rebecca

|

|

| --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--

| ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---









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Subject: Re: Herbal Software

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:58:50 GMT

--------

On Wed, 12 May 1999 23:56:37 GMT, kgreen@juliet.albedo.net (KENNETH STUART

GREEN) wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>I too would be interested in getting my hands on some excellent

>software.  I've seen lots of packages but they werent worth much.  Is

>there some excellent quality software that anyone is aware of?



The best herbal therapeutics program is still David Hoffman's "The Herbalist",

CD-Rom, about USD 50.

The best Materia medica program out there is Brigitte Mars' "The Herbal

Pharmacy".



I've reviews of those and a couple of other programs in the medicinal herbfaq,

and I've a couple shareware / demo programs online on my website / in my ftp

space.



Cheers

Henriette



--

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Software

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:03:18 -0700

--------

>>>The best herbal therapeutics program is still David Hoffman's "The

Herbalist",

CD-Rom, about USD 50.



I agree!

Ingrid









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Software

From: "Herb Lady" <herbs@mcmsys.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:54:02 -0500

--------

Have you tried The Herbalist, a multimedia cd-rom from Hopkins Technology?

It has diseases, herbs and their uses for treatment.  Phone is 612-931-9376

or you can probably get it from your friendly herb store.



No, I don't work for this company, and don't know anything about them.  But

I have heard David Hoffman, who put together this software, speak several

times on medicinal herbs and their use in treating disease, and I think he

is excellent.



rebeccabuchbinder@juno.com wrote in message <7hcrg3$qm5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...

>Hi,

>

>Does anyone know where I can find herbal software, that includes a

>repertory-like search function for herbs?

>

>Rebecca

>

>

>--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--

>---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---









==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Software

From: microtex@geocities.com (Alexius)

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 05:33:45 GMT

--------

 I have seen a couple in the net. Some are shareware. S



 However I have serious doubts that this software can be useful at all.



 It may be useful for informational purposes but , as you may already know, herbalism is a sort of an art

like homeopathy and other therapies.



 The problem with this culture is that people f believe that computers can solve anything  and even put their lives in the

hands of a  500 hundred device with some chips soldered on it, so they can go to bed and think how wonderful is the

technological era 

 

 Computers are good for multimedia, playing games, guiding missiles and so on, even putting   man on the moon, but

are  useless  in the field of herbal medicines.





On Wed, 12 May 1999 21:23:21 GMT, rebeccabuchbinder@juno.com wrote:

==Hi,

==

==Does anyone know where I can find herbal software, that includes a

==repertory-like search function for herbs?

==

==Rebecca

==

==

==--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--

==---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---







==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Software

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:47:52 GMT

--------

On Sat, 15 May 1999 05:33:45 GMT, microtex@geocities.com (Alexius) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



> I have seen a couple in the net. Some are shareware.

> However I have serious doubts that this software can be useful at all.

> It may be useful for informational purposes but , as you may already know, herbalism is a sort of an art like homeopathy and other therapies.



Sure, herbalism is an art, but before you can run you have to learn to walk.

Before you can work it intuitively you need information sources. And you need

them constantly ever after, too, because there is always another aspect to learn

about herbs.



> Computers are good for multimedia, playing games, guiding missiles and so on, even putting man on the moon, but are useless in the field of herbal medicines.



Do you then work without books, journals, email mailing lists and newsgroups,

too? Hmmm...



Seriously, herbal programs are an excellent additional source of information to

the serious herbalist, if they 

  a) contain reliable information, and 

  b) have a good search function.

I find it far easier to look up something on the PC than in a book, when I'm

preparing a lecture, writing an article, or checking what it was this guy said

about that disorder and this here plant.



Cheers

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs and pregnancy?

From: "Stardanser" <jugs2@gte.net>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:51:38 GMT

--------

I've been told to take evening primrose oil and red raspberry now that I'm

in my last month of pregnancy, what do they do for me?









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Subject: Re: herbs and pregnancy?

From: Petra <c-p@pacbell.net>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:08:44 -0700

--------

Red Raspberry strenghtens your contractions for easier labor and

therefore shorten the time you are in labor.



Stardanser wrote:



> I've been told to take evening primrose oil and red raspberry now that I'm

> in my last month of pregnancy, what do they do for me?











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Subject: Re: herbs and pregnancy?

From: peacedawge@aol.com (PeaceDawge)

Date: 22 May 1999 08:14:09 GMT

--------

Red raspberry was a godsend for nausea early in my pregnancy as well..with no

ill affects as some seem e to think there are. But as with all herbs..everyone

is different. :-)





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs and pregnancy?

From: Alithea <alithea@mint.net>

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:59:48 +0000

--------

I had good luck with catnip tea.



Rosemarie





Stardanser wrote:

> 

> Is it good for nausea in 9th month also?

> PeaceDawge <peacedawge@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:19990522041409.15941.00000189@ng-cl1.aol.com...

> > Red raspberry was a godsend for nausea early in my pregnancy as well..with

> no

> > ill affects as some seem e to think there are. But as with all

> herbs..everyone

> > is different. :-)





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs and pregnancy?

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:36:48 -0700

--------

You could try red raspberry leaf also a small amount of ginger. You could

cetianly discuss with your doctor but don't be surprised if he/she has never

heard of using these herbs.









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To: ma pickle <mapickle@teleport.com>

Subject: Re: herbs and pregnancy?

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:20:10 -0400

--------

If you're looking to deal with naseau in pregnancy, ONLY make a tea from FRESH

ginger root. DO NOT use dried as it may cause uterine bleeding. Dried ginger is

too hot (or, as they'd say in TCM, too heating.)



Raspberry leaf tea should be fine.



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



ma pickle wrote:



> You could try red raspberry leaf also a small amount of ginger. You could

> cetianly discuss with your doctor but don't be surprised if he/she has never

> heard of using these herbs.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs and pregnancy?

From: loralsl2@aol.com (Loralsl2)

Date: 26 May 1999 02:30:04 GMT

--------

If you are still having nausea in the 9th month....you probably need extra

vitamin b-6.   Loralsl2@aol.com





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Subject: Re: herbs and pregnancy?

From: loralsl2@aol.com (Loralsl2)

Date: 26 May 1999 02:34:37 GMT

--------

Red Reapberry should be taken the whole pregnancy. It helps immensely!!!!!! If

you have any questions at all about what herbs to take while pregnant please

e-mail me. I have a lot of expierience!!!  Loralsl2@aol.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Any cure for Sinus?

From: "Joseph Prabhakar" <jprabhakar@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:52:24 -0700

--------

Hi!!



I am suffering from sinus for the past 25 years. Is there any herb out there

that can cure sinus?



joseph









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any cure for Sinus?

From: Liz Hanson <liz@zylanid.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:12:01 +0100

--------

In article <7he0ec$soa$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Joseph Prabhakar <jprab

hakar@worldnet.att.net> writes

>Hi!!

>

>I am suffering from sinus for the past 25 

>years. Is there any herb out there

>that can cure sinus?

>

>joseph

>

>

Hi, Joseph



My sinusitis went away when I stopped eating cheese and drinking cows' milk.

Have you considered whether any of the foods you eat might be causing the

problem?  It is most likely to be something that you like very much.  I only

suffered for a few years, and was enormously relieved to find a cure that

suited me.  I wish you luck.

-- 

Liz Hanson





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any cure for Sinus?

From: Alithea <alithea@mint.net>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:03:30 +0000

--------

I agree that the most important thing to consider regarding sinus

infections is one's diet. 



A nourishing herb you could add to your diet is stinging nettle (Urtica

dioica). I take tincture every day for 2-3 month periods; get off it for

awhile and then back on. It will not help if you are still eating foods

which contribute to sinus headaches ie, dairy, sugar, wheat and other

possibilities.

-Rosemarie





Liz Hanson wrote:

> 

> In article <7he0ec$soa$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Joseph Prabhakar <jprab

> hakar@worldnet.att.net> writes

> >Hi!!

> >

> >I am suffering from sinus for the past 25

> >years. Is there any herb out there

> >that can cure sinus?

> >

> >joseph

> >

> >

> Hi, Joseph

> 

> My sinusitis went away when I stopped eating cheese and drinking cows' milk.

> Have you considered whether any of the foods you eat might be causing the

> problem?  It is most likely to be something that you like very much.  I only

> suffered for a few years, and was enormously relieved to find a cure that

> suited me.  I wish you luck.

> --

> Liz Hanson





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any cure for Sinus?

From: suemilham@aol.com (Sue milham)

Date: 25 May 1999 20:09:03 GMT

--------

I've had some good luck with Pau d'arco tea, 1 TB per cup, boiled for 20

minutes from the bark.  I use it 3 cups a day when bad sinusitis and one cup

otherwise.  Be sure of your source, and do some research.  I hear, in excess,

it can cause bleeding.



Good luck



>"Joseph Prabhakar" <jprabhakar@worldnet.att.net>

>Date: Thu, May 13, 1999 3:52 AM

>Message-id: <7he0ec$soa$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>

>

>Hi!!

>

>I am suffering from sinus for the past 25 years. Is there any herb out there

>that can cure sinus?

>

>joseph





Sue M.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: How can I sell herbs?

From: "Joseph Prabhakar" <jprabhakar@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:54:13 -0700

--------

Hi!!!



I have few pounds of many herbs lying with me and I also have sources from

where I can get continuous supply of  quality herbs in any form. Can someone

tell me how to sell them so that I can make a small profit?



joseph









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Any interesting herb sites?????

From: "Joseph Prabhakar" <jprabhakar@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:00:02 -0700

--------

Do any of you know of a good site - in the lines of mothernature.com - but

not so commercial and money centered. I am looking for a good site where I

can learn more about herbs and also buy some quality good stuff?



joseph











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any interesting herb sites?????

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:43:07 -0700

--------





Joseph Prabhakar wrote:



> Do any of you know of a good site - in the lines of mothernature.com - but

> not so commercial and money centered. I am looking for a good site where I

> can learn more about herbs and also buy some quality good stuff?

>

> joseph



You can visit my interesting and fun site at...

http://home.sprynet.com/~skullcap/index.html .

There are many liknks to other sites also... j o  s    h







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any interesting herb sites?????

From: maverick@texoma.net

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 07:17:25 GMT

--------





Lets see, a couple of good ones that have some interesting info to

save on diskettes too, hmmmm .......



http://www.naturesway.com



http://www.arborcom.com



Http://www.lef.org



http://www.garynull.com



http://www.pennherb.com



http://www.healthy.net

healthy net, click on site search, then tap in what you want info on

in the little box.



This should keep ypu happy for days or even weeks. ( - ;



Maverick



On Thu, 13 May 1999 01:00:02 -0700, "Joseph Prabhakar"

<jprabhakar@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>Do any of you know of a good site - in the lines of mothernature.com - but

>not so commercial and money centered. I am looking for a good site where I

>can learn more about herbs and also buy some quality good stuff?

>

>joseph

>

>







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any interesting herb sites?????

From: "Erik Gotfredsen" <egotfred@odont.au.dk>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:34:48 +0200

--------

I think my multilingual website on herbs could grow to somthing interesting



http://www.odont.aau.dk/rad/LieberHerbarumII/index.htm









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Subject: Re: Any interesting herb sites?????

From: "MindSpring User" <rjmozer@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:04:27 -0400

--------

Hi Erik.  Neat site.  I didn't see feverfew under your

headache heading (maybe I'm not knowing the correct

latin name?); and under "loss of appetite" heading, are

those remedies for an increased appetite or to make

you lose appetite?  I see dill is listed, so I would assume

the heading includes remedies to decrease appetite, since

dill is an appetite suppressant.



Thanks.

Betsy



Erik Gotfredsen wrote in message <7ie8uh$3i0gn$1@xinwen.daimi.au.dk>...

>I think my multilingual website on herbs could grow to somthing interesting

>

>http://www.odont.aau.dk/rad/LieberHerbarumII/index.htm

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any interesting herb sites?????

From: "Judy Mullins" <logcabin@fuse.net>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:37:33 -0400

--------

If you are looking for interesting herb sites, try Karen Shelton's site in

Tennessee.  http://altnature.com

Erik Gotfredsen wrote in message <7ie8uh$3i0gn$1@xinwen.daimi.au.dk>...

>I think my multilingual website on herbs could grow to somthing interesting

>

>http://www.odont.aau.dk/rad/LieberHerbarumII/index.htm

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: microwave and simmering questions

From: <dennes@crl5.crl.compart> (octinomos)

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:40:55 -0700

--------

would any one know if, let's say i make tea, right? and i refrigerate

some for the next day, or coffee for that matter, and then the following

day i re-heat it in the microwave, would i be destroying all the healing

properties of the tea? would i be better off heating it on the stove?



also, how bad is it if you steep it rather than simmer it, like let's

say i keep it on the lowest possible flame for 5 min. and simmer for 5

more instead of simmering for 15 minutes or so...the water is boiling

when you first put the tea in, right? so why doesn't it do harm at

that point, is it just a matter of prolonged high heat, or what?



please post your reply on the newsgroup so that others may benefit...



                                                            --dennes

__________________________________________________________________________

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: <dennes@crl5.crl.compart> (octinomos)

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:58:42 -0700

--------

oopsie, i just looked up the definition of simmer, so reverse

the words steep and simmer in my original post:



[this:]



| also, how bad is it if you steep it rather than simmer it, like let's

| say i keep it on the lowest possible flame for 5 min. and simmer for 5

| more instead of simmering for 15 minutes or so...the water is boiling

| when you first put the tea in, right? so why doesn't it do harm at

| that point, is it just a matter of prolonged high heat, or what?



[should read:]



also, how bad is it if you simmer it rather than steep it, like let's

say i keep it on the lowest possible flame for 5 min. and steep for 5

more instead of steeping for 15 minutes or so...the water is boiling

when you first put the tea in, right? so why doesn't it do harm at

that point, is it just a matter of prolonged high heat, or what?



                                                            --dennes

__________________________________________________________________________

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         but you can't take the marine corps out of a marine.                   





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: "marcus" <sales@tdinfo.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:44:11 +0800

--------

I just can point that it depends on what herb is used to make the herb tea.

Differce herbs may be handlied in difference ways.

In general, for red tea, is it better to finish it the time you make it.

Don't keep it over night! And remove the tea leaf. it is not good for your

stomach.

bye.











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:29:43 -0700

--------

Do NOT use a microwave to make or reheat herb teas.



How you make the tea depends on the herbs.  Leafy things tend to be

steeped/infused. Barks and roots usually need to be simmered/decocted.  15

minutes is a good rule of thumb.



You can always make the tea in the morning and keep hot all day in a

thermos.



Ingrid









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: <dennes@crl5.crl.compart> (octinomos)

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 05:07:11 -0700

--------

In article <L6D_2.80888$A6.40089175@news1.teleport.com>, "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com> wrote:



| Do NOT use a microwave to make or reheat herb teas.



but for coffee, it's OK?



| How you make the tea depends on the herbs.  Leafy things tend to be

| steeped/infused. Barks and roots usually need to be simmered/decocted.  15

| minutes is a good rule of thumb.



is it true that if the roots come in powdered form, that they don't

need to be simmered? because i usually mix a bunch of herbs and a

bunch of powdered roots together--so i can just steep the whole thing?



i mix together about a cup's worth of herbs and roots, for three quarts

of water, have one big cup and keep the rest hot on the coffee maker.

i had been first simmering and then steeping, because of the root factor,

but the last time i only steeped them, and i think it was more potent...



| You can always make the tea in the morning and keep hot all day in a

| thermos.

| 

| Ingrid



good idea, thanks for the suggestion...



                                                            --dennes

__________________________________________________________________________

            you can take a marine out of the marine corps

         but you can't take the marine corps out of a marine.                   





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:22:58 -0700

--------

>>>| Do NOT use a microwave to make or reheat herb teas.



but for coffee, it's OK?



That's up to you.  I don't eat microwaved food if I have a choice.  I just

reheat my coffee on the stove.



Ingrid











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: lweber@wcl.on.ca

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 00:02:03 GMT

--------

All this talk about drinking tea within a short time.  I guess that

means my dicovery of iced herbal tea is not so great.  I made tea one

night {lemon mints and cammomile}  and forgot to drink it.  The next

day I made iced tea out of it and thought  'What a great idea"  Should

I can that idea?

Thanks for your ideas.



Lori





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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:35:28 -0700

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>>.  I made tea one

night {lemon mints and cammomile}  and forgot to drink it.  The next

day I made iced tea out of it and thought  'What a great idea"  Should

I can that idea?





No keep on doing what you are doing.  This sounds like a tea that you are

making for taste/pleasant beverage use and not for medicine.  So go ahead,

make a pot and put in fridge. enjoy.



Ingrid









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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:58:56 GMT

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On Thu, 13 May 1999 02:40:55 -0700, <dennes@crl5.crl.compart> (octinomos) wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>would any one know if, let's say i make tea, right? and i refrigerate

>some for the next day, or coffee for that matter, and then the following

>day i re-heat it in the microwave, would i be destroying all the healing

>properties of the tea? would i be better off heating it on the stove?



You don't want to make more than one day's worth of herbal tea at a time. The

longer it stands the larger your risk for growing things; and the larger your

risk for precipitating out constituents.

You also don't want to heat your herbal tea. Make, say, a liter, and drink the

first cup hot and the next cups cold, over the day.



Some teas you should drink within one hour of making them; this includes all the

mineral teas (nettles, alfalfa, red clover, horsetail, oatstraw...).



>also, how bad is it if you simmer it rather than steep it, like let's

>say i keep it on the lowest possible flame for 5 min. and steep for 5

>more instead of steeping for 15 minutes or so...the water is boiling

>when you first put the tea in, right? so why doesn't it do harm at

>that point, is it just a matter of prolonged high heat, or what?



If you have bark, hard seed, root, lichen, or wood, you want to make a

decoction. When making a decoction you boil the herb.

If you have seeds which contain volatile oils, leaf, flower, or stems, you want

to make an infusion. You pour boiling water over the herb and let steep,

preferably under cover.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: <dennes@crl5.crl.compart> (octinomos)

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 05:24:32 -0700

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In article <37452efb.7406216@uutiset.saunalahti.fi>, hetta@saunalahti.fi wrote:



| You don't want to make more than one day's worth of herbal tea at a time. The

| longer it stands the larger your risk for growing things; and the larger your

| risk for precipitating out constituents.



shouldn't refrigeration take care of evil things growing?

what exactly are constituents?



| You also don't want to heat your herbal tea. Make, say, a liter, and drink

| the first cup hot and the next cups cold, over the day.



you wouldn't recommend keeping it hot on a coffee pot?



| Some teas you should drink within one hour of making them; this includes all

| the mineral teas (nettles, alfalfa, red clover, horsetail, oatstraw...).



interesting. is there a more complete list?



| If you have bark, hard seed, root, lichen, or wood, you want to make a

| decoction. When making a decoction you boil the herb.

| If you have seeds which contain volatile oils, leaf, flower, or stems, you

| want to make an infusion. You pour boiling water over the herb and let steep,

| preferably under cover.

| 

| Cheers

| Henriette



i already asked ma pickle but i might as well ask your opinion also,

if the roots come in powdered form, i can just steep them, or what?

that's what the lady i get the herbs from said, any way...is she wrong?



should i make two pots, one with my herbs and steep those, and another

for my powdered roots, and simmer that one?



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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:19:11 GMT

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On Fri, 14 May 1999 05:24:32 -0700, <dennes@crl5.crl.compart> (octinomos) wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>| You don't want to make more than one day's worth of herbal tea at a time.

>shouldn't refrigeration take care of evil things growing?



It diminishes the risk. It doesn't remove it altogether. You see that in action

whenever you throw away moldy things which you had hidden away in your fridge.



>what exactly are constituents?



Active and inactive parts of plants. You don't want to precipitate out the

active constituents.



>you wouldn't recommend keeping it hot on a coffee pot?



No.



>interesting. is there a more complete list?



Go get a good book or two on herbs. There's a list of good ones in the medicinal

herbfaq, part 7.



>if the roots come in powdered form, i can just steep them, or what?



I wouldn't. I boil roots.



>should i make two pots, one with my herbs and steep those, and another

>for my powdered roots, and simmer that one?



I boil the root/bark/lichen/seed, and add the leaf/flower/seed/fruit in the

steeping phase, when combining the two types of plant parts.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:24:52 -0700

--------

I agree with Henriette, I boil/decoct roots.  I'd also rather used chopped

roots not powdered.



Ingrid









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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: <dennes@crl5.crl.compart> (octinomos)

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:35:53 -0700

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In article <37431f6e.11692509@uutiset.saunalahti.fi>, hetta@saunalahti.fi wrote:



| On Fri, 14 May 1999 05:24:32 -0700, <dennes@crl5.crl.compart> (octinomos)

| wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:

| 

| >| You don't want to make more than one day's worth of herbal tea at a time.

| >shouldn't refrigeration take care of evil things growing?

| 

| It diminishes the risk. It doesn't remove it altogether. You see that in

| action whenever you throw away moldy things which you had hidden away in your 

| fridge.



well, yeah, if the stuff's been in there for years... i just meant

storing it for a day or two, i usually add tea to my coffee pot

like passion flower or scullcap or licorice mint or wormwood or

orange spice or spearmint or annise star, like in a little metal

bowl, it just sits inside the pot for as long as i'm drinking

my coffee, usually for about 2 to 3 hours, and that's why i don't

like to waste it, if it was just coffee, i'd just throw it out

and make a fresh pot the next day, you know what i'm saying?

now, the wormwood i put in the filter with the coffee because

if it sits in the pot for too long, makes the stuff waaaaay too bitter,

and then i have to add like 3 tablespoons of honey and twice as much

cream just to be able to drink it, but the other herbs it doesn't matter.



| 

| >what exactly are constituents?

| 

| Active and inactive parts of plants. You don't want to precipitate out the

| active constituents.



why not?



| 

| >you wouldn't recommend keeping it hot on a coffee pot?

| 

| No.



well, it's hard to drink coffee cold, you know what i'm saying?

i'm not gonna die, am i? i haven't yet, any way... just seems

like a more healthy option adding herbs to my coffee than just

plain coffee, and it tastes more yummy also... i know i probably

shouldn't drink coffee, but i guess i'm an addict... oh well...



| >should i make two pots, one with my herbs and steep those, and another

| >for my powdered roots, and simmer that one?

| 

| I boil the root/bark/lichen/seed, and add the leaf/flower/seed/fruit in the

| steeping phase, when combining the two types of plant parts.



why didn't _i_ think of that!?



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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 15 May 1999 04:12:02 GMT

--------

>You don't want to make more than one day's worth of herbal tea at a time. The

>longer it stands the larger your risk for growing things; and the larger your

>risk for precipitating out constituents.

>You also don't want to heat your herbal tea. Make, say, a liter, and drink

>the

>first cup hot and the next cups cold, over the day.

>Some teas you should drink within one hour of making them; this includes all

>the

>mineral teas (nettles, alfalfa, red clover, horsetail, oatstraw...).

>

>



Henriette are you serious about drinking nettles within an hour? I make

infusions from all of the above mentioned and to make the infusion I let the

herb sit in the hot water overnight. Haven't noticed any bad effects.



I was also under the impression that in order to get those darn minerals out

one must infuse the plant for at least 3-4 hours.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:50:31 GMT

--------

On 15 May 1999 04:12:02 GMT, bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:

>>Some teas you should drink within one hour of making them; this includes all the

>>mineral teas (nettles, alfalfa, red clover, horsetail, oatstraw...).

>

>Henriette are you serious about drinking nettles within an hour? I make

>infusions from all of the above mentioned and to make the infusion I let the

>herb sit in the hot water overnight. Haven't noticed any bad effects.



You won't get bad effects, but you won't get the minerals. They are in the water

pretty fast, and out of it bit by bit - which is why it's best to drink mineral

teas within an hour of making them. If you want the minerals, that is.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 15 May 1999 22:51:22 GMT

--------

>You won't get bad effects, but you won't get the minerals. They are in the

>water

>pretty fast, and out of it bit by bit - which is why it's best to drink

>mineral

>teas within an hour of making them. If you want the minerals, that is.

>

>Henriette



How I hate it when I get totally opposite views from people I respect, makes it

so hard to decide which person to listen to.  Was under the impression that

minerals are rock therefore rather difficult to get rid of.



So how about herbal vinegars? Should I forget about storing them, making them,

in the hopes of pumping myself full of minerals?



Confused Belinda





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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:14:27 GMT

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On 15 May 1999 22:51:22 GMT, bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>So how about herbal vinegars? Should I forget about storing them, making them,

>in the hopes of pumping myself full of minerals?



Vinegars are different from teas. I'm not sure, but I think vinegars can keep

minerals in solution.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:42:54 -0700

--------





Bilherbs wrote:



> >You won't get bad effects, but you won't get the minerals. They are in the

> >water

> >pretty fast, and out of it bit by bit - which is why it's best to drink

> >mineral

> >teas within an hour of making them. If you want the minerals, that is.

> >

> >Henriette

>

> How I hate it when I get totally opposite views from people I respect, makes it

> so hard to decide which person to listen to.  Was under the impression that

> minerals are rock therefore rather difficult to get rid of.

>



The problem with mineral teas is that  the minerals in them precipitate out (bind

to gether and fall to the botom tha is).  You can view the sediment after a few

hours... j o  s   h







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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: <dennes@crl5.crl.compart> (octinomos)

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:29:14 -0700

--------

In article <373F11AE.C6873037@sprynet.com>, skullcap@m2.sprynet.com wrote:



| > Was under the impression that

| > minerals are rock therefore rather difficult to get rid of.

| >

| 

| The problem with mineral teas is that  the minerals in them precipitate out 

| (bindto gether and fall to the botom tha is).  You can view the sediment after

| a few hours... j o  s   h



what i do is stir the pot up before pouring myself a cup--works beautifully.

i even stir the cup a few times as i'm drinking it, so nothing gets wasted...



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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:31:03 -0700

--------





" (octinomos)" wrote:



> In article <373F11AE.C6873037@sprynet.com>, skullcap@m2.sprynet.com wrote:

>

> | > Was under the impression that

> | > minerals are rock therefore rather difficult to get rid of.

> | >

> |

> | The problem with mineral teas is that  the minerals in them precipitate out

> | (bindto gether and fall to the botom tha is).  You can view the sediment after

> | a few hours... j o  s   h

>

> what i do is stir the pot up before pouring myself a cup--works beautifully.

> i even stir the cup a few times as i'm drinking it, so nothing gets wasted...

>

>



I may be wrong, but I do not think that stiring puts the minerals back into

solution.

j o  s   h









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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 17 May 1999 10:47:21 GMT

--------

>> | > Was under the impression that

>> | > minerals are rock therefore rather difficult to get rid of.

>> | >

>> |

>> | The problem with mineral teas is that  the minerals in them precipitate

>out

>> | (bindto gether and fall to the botom tha is).  You can view the sediment

>after

>> | a few hours... j o  s   h

>>

>> what i do is stir the pot up before pouring myself a cup--works

>beautifully.

>> i even stir the cup a few times as i'm drinking it, so nothing gets

>wasted...

>>

>>

>

>I may be wrong, but I do not think that stiring puts the minerals back into

>solution.

>j o  s   h



It does not dissolve the minerals, but it does hold them in suspension long

enough to be drunk.





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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: <dennes@crl5.crl.compart> (octinomos)

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:39:01 -0700

--------

In article <373FC5B7.38CDC9A0@sprynet.com>, skullcap@m2.sprynet.com wrote:



| I may be wrong, but I do not think that stiring puts the minerals back into

| solution.

| j o  s   h



i don't stir the pot to get the minerals, i do it for all the

powdered roots and herbs that fall to the bottom, i didn't even

know teas had minerals, if i want minerals i take a supplement...



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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:25:27 -0700

--------

>

> i don't stir the pot to get the minerals, i do it for all the

> powdered roots and herbs that fall to the bottom, i didn't even

> know teas had minerals, if i want minerals i take a supplement...

>

>



Many herbs are used as tea for their mineral content.  This is usually only one

aspect of what they do... j o  s    h







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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:09:55 -0500

--------



Henriette,  Are you suggesting the minerals evaporate?  If 

anything, it seems they would fall out of solution - in which case, you'd 

still ingest them if you drink the dregs of your cup.



mineral: a solid homogeneous crystalline chemical element or compound 

that results from the inorganic processes of nature; broadly: any of 

various naturally occurring homogeneous substances (as stone, coal, 

salt, sulfur, sand, petroleum, water or natural gas) obtained from man's 

use usu. from the ground. (Webster's Ninth New Collegiate) 



Gale



On Sat, 15 May 1999, Henriette Kress wrote:



> On 15 May 1999 04:12:02 GMT, bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs) wrote in

> alt.folklore.herbs:

> >>Some teas you should drink within one hour of making them; this includes all the

> >>mineral teas (nettles, alfalfa, red clover, horsetail, oatstraw...).

> >

> >Henriette are you serious about drinking nettles within an hour? I make

> >infusions from all of the above mentioned and to make the infusion I let the

> >herb sit in the hot water overnight. Haven't noticed any bad effects.

> 

> You won't get bad effects, but you won't get the minerals. They are in the water

> pretty fast, and out of it bit by bit - which is why it's best to drink mineral

> teas within an hour of making them. If you want the minerals, that is.

> 

> Henriette

> 

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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 00:49:01 -0700

--------





Gale Koch wrote:



> Henriette,  Are you suggesting the minerals evaporate?  If

> anything, it seems they would fall out of solution - in which case, you'd

> still ingest them if you drink the dregs of your cup.

>



Again, I could be wrong... but....   I believe that when a mineral precipitates out of

solution that it does so by binding to another mineral and then sinking.  Drinking the

stuff at the bottom is not a solution because when bound up as such, we can not absorb

them, nor can they be put back into solution in an unbound state.  Again, I am not sure

of the accruacy of the former statement... j o  s    h







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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 19 May 1999 10:47:53 GMT

--------

>> Henriette,  Are you suggesting the minerals evaporate?  If

>> anything, it seems they would fall out of solution - in which case, you'd

>> still ingest them if you drink the dregs of your cup.

>>

>

>Again, I could be wrong... but....   I believe that when a mineral

>precipitates out of

>solution that it does so by binding to another mineral and then sinking.

>Drinking the

>stuff at the bottom is not a solution because when bound up as such, we can

>not absorb

>them, nor can they be put back into solution in an unbound state.  Again, I

>am not sure

>of the accruacy of the former statement... j o  s    h

>



The minerals, even if they precipitated out would likely form chloride salts

when they come in to contact with the stomach making them absorbable.







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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 19 May 1999 20:00:10 GMT

--------

>Again, I could be wrong... but....   I believe that when a mineral

>precipitates out of

>solution that it does so by binding to another mineral and then sinking.

>Drinking the

>stuff at the bottom is not a solution because when bound up as such, we can

>not absorb

>them, nor can they be put back into solution in an unbound state.  Again, I

>am not sure

>of the accruacy of the former statement... j o  s    h



josh,



Would that mean that only water at  the bottom of the ocean is salty?





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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:57:34 -0700

--------

>

> Would that mean that only water at  the bottom of the ocean is salty?



No, because saltiness is actually due to free sodium and chlorine ions free in

solution... j o  s    h







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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:41:00 -0500

--------



Ah, don't you love when a seemingly simple question develops a complex?  

Time to review inorganic chemistry.  I believe you may be partly correct 

J o  s   h, mineral will also fall out of solution when the solution is 

saturated (obviously NOT the case with tea).  But if you DO 

drink the "bound stuff at the bottom of the cup", will your organic 

bodily processes liberate the mineral from those bonds?  Food for further 

research. 



Gale



On Wed, 19 May 1999, Joshua Muscat wrote



> Again, I could be wrong... but....   I believe that when a mineral precipitates out of

> solution that it does so by binding to another mineral and then sinking.  Drinking the

> stuff at the bottom is not a solution because when bound up as such, we can not absorb

> them, nor can they be put back into solution in an unbound state.  Again, I am not sure

> of the accruacy of the former statement... j o  s    h

> 

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:56:08 -0700

--------





Gale Koch wrote:



> Ah, don't you love when a seemingly simple question develops a complex?

> Time to review inorganic chemistry.  I believe you may be partly correct

> J o  s   h, mineral will also fall out of solution when the solution is

> saturated (obviously NOT the case with tea).  But if you DO

> drink the "bound stuff at the bottom of the cup", will your organic

> bodily processes liberate the mineral from those bonds?  Food for further

> research.

>



If I remember crrectly, percipitation ocurs when molecules are concentrated enough in a

solution that they have an increased chance of randomly coliding.  Is saturation not defined

as the point at which there is not enough room in solution for particles to move about

without coming into contact with other particles that they will bind to and percipitate out

with.  Someone earlier in the thread made a good point though.  Obviously salts are able to

remain in solution (eg sodium chloride in water).... actually, when table salt is disolved in

water, don't the sodium and chlorine ions seperate?  If they ocur in too great a

concentration they also will percipitate.  You can stir the solution to get them back into

solution briefly, but they wil perciitate out again rapidly.  Perhaps when drinking a

minrealizing tea, the best thing to do is keep it in a jar and shake before every sip...

sounds like a pain though... j o  s    h







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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:04:12 GMT

--------

Josh, you are essentially correct.  However, sodium chloride is not a

particularly good model for what happens in an herbal infusion.  Both

sodium-based salts and chloride-based salts tend to dissociate completely in

water (regardless of what other element(s) they are associated with),

allowing a fairly concentrated solution to form, and in a simple salt

solution any precipitation would result from a change in the energy level

(heat) of the solvent.  For instance, most (but not all) solids (like table

salt) are more soluble at higher temperatures than at lower temps; more ions

become and remain dissociated.  Creating a saturated solution of table salt

in hot water (by stirring in salt until no more dissolves and then straining

the solution), and then cooling the water results in precipitation of some

of the salt.



OTOH, herb infusions are not simple salt solutions.  Many of the elements,

especially the more desirable trace elements, can be easily precipitated by

recombining with other ions and organic molecules in the solution.  Most of

the higher-valence ions are capable of such a reaction - iron, copper,

manganese, calcium, zinc, magnesium, etc. etc. can all enter solution in one

form (as simple salts or organic complexes) and then precipitate out after

enough time has elapsed for them to come into contact with other ions or

molecules in the solution.  In living plants many of the "less active"

elements are carried in special organic complexes that are able to remain

soluble or in suspension as long as they 1) remain in a water-based solution

and/or 2) are physically separated (by cell walls and membranes) from other

compounds that would react with them.  Once these barriers are broken down

and the nature of the solute changes in the process of infusion, reactions

take place that would never happen in the living plant; one result of these

can be precipitation.



Whether or not these precipitates still contain *available* beneficial

elements, it seems to me, largely depends on whether the user drinks the

dregs.  Many, I believe, do not.  In the case of some of the organic

compounds, OTOH, some that the *plant* uses for it's purposes (at least) are

certainly permanently inactivated, just as ascorbate (for instance) is

destroyed by heating in solution.



-Rich



P.S.: As far as I know, particles (ions?) never actually come into contact

with each other in solution (unless cold fusion has been achieved ;).  Also,

so far as I know, stirring cannot cause a true saturated solution to

dissolve more of the salt, unless you stirred fast enough to raise the

temperature of the solution.  "Saturation" *means* no more will dissolve

without a change in temperature or pressure.







Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com> wrote in message

news:3743C018.8BE2A4F5@sprynet.com...

>

>

> Gale Koch wrote:

>

> If I remember crrectly, percipitation ocurs when molecules are

concentrated enough in a

> solution that they have an increased chance of randomly coliding.  Is

saturation not defined

> as the point at which there is not enough room in solution for particles

to move about

> without coming into contact with other particles that they will bind to

and percipitate out

> with.  Someone earlier in the thread made a good point though.  Obviously

salts are able to

> remain in solution (eg sodium chloride in water).... actually, when table

salt is disolved in

> water, don't the sodium and chlorine ions seperate?  If they ocur in too

great a

> concentration they also will percipitate.  You can stir the solution to

get them back into

> solution briefly, but they wil perciitate out again rapidly.  Perhaps when

drinking a

> minrealizing tea, the best thing to do is keep it in a jar and shake

before every sip...

> sounds like a pain though... j o  s    h

>









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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:40:52 GMT

--------

On Tue, 18 May 1999 15:09:55 -0500, Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Henriette,  Are you suggesting the minerals evaporate?  



No. 



>If anything, it seems they would fall out of solution - in which case, you'd 

>still ingest them if you drink the dregs of your cup.



Very seldom do you find pure minerals in things natural. That means that they

can get bound up with other things in the herb tea - the longer you let the tea

stand before drinking the more bottom sediment you get. That's what

"precipitating out" means.



If the minerals are in solution in the water they're obviously NOT in the

sediment. If they're in solution in the water you can absorb them through your

stomach lining. 

If they're bound up with other things you might be able to get them in the last

foot or so of your small intestine -- provided you have no digestive problems.

Possibly they're bound up so tight with whatever got them that you're not able

to get at them at all; they pass through unchanged.



Which is why you should drink your mineral herb teas within an hour of making

them.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 19 May 1999 10:58:48 GMT

--------

>Very seldom do you find pure minerals in things natural. That means that they

>can get bound up with other things in the herb tea - the longer you let the

>tea

>stand before drinking the more bottom sediment you get. That's what

>"precipitating out" means.

>



The minerals can precipitate out without being bound to something. The minerals

and other water soluble compounds saturate the water. If the water starts to

become supersaturated the excess minerals will precipitate out without binding

to anything. Keep adding salt to a cup of water. Once the water is saturated,

any excess salt will fall to the bottom without binding to anything. If done

carefully in a sterile environment, the water can be supersaturated without

precipitation. When you tap the glass though the excess salt will immediately

come out of solution and precipitate to the bottom. Makes an interesting

science experiment.







>If the minerals are in solution in the water they're obviously NOT in the

>sediment. If they're in solution in the water you can absorb them through

>your

>stomach lining. 

>If they're bound up with other things you might be able to get them in the

>last

>foot or so of your small intestine -- provided you have no digestive

>problems.



If we are going to be worried about taking minerals bound to things, then why

do we take chelated minerals?



>Possibly they're bound up so tight with whatever got them that you're not

>able

>to get at them at all; they pass through unchanged.

>



I still doubt if the precipitation is due to binding. And even if it were you

would still have to take in to consideration the formation of chloride salts

when these complexes contact stomach acid (hydrogen chloride) as I pointed out

to Josh. These salts would be readily absorbed.





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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 01:01:54 -0700

--------

>

>

> The minerals can precipitate out without being bound to something. The minerals

> and other water soluble compounds saturate the water. If the water starts to

> become supersaturated the excess minerals will precipitate out without binding

> to anything. Keep adding salt to a cup of water. Once the water is saturated,

> any excess salt will fall to the bottom without binding to anything. If done

> carefully in a sterile environment, the water can be supersaturated without

> precipitation. When you tap the glass though the excess salt will immediately

> come out of solution and precipitate to the bottom. Makes an interesting

> science experiment.



Isn't salt by definition a bound substance?  How could a mineral percipitate out

without binding to anything?  Doesn't it at least need to bind to anothe of it's

own kind?... j o  s   h









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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:35:52 -0500

--------



Salts are by definition ionic crystaline compounds, and can be formed when

the acid hydrogen of an acid is replaced by a metal.

 

Ionic compounds dissolve in water rapidly due to the polar nature of the

water molecule.

 

As was already noted:

 

> > The minerals can precipitate out without being bound to something. The minerals

> > and other water soluble compounds saturate the water. If the water starts to

> > become supersaturated the excess minerals will precipitate out without binding

> > to anything. Keep adding salt to a cup of water. Once the water is saturated,

> > any excess salt will fall to the bottom without binding to anything. If done

> > carefully in a sterile environment, the water can be supersaturated without

> > precipitation. When you tap the glass though the excess salt will immediately

> > come out of solution and precipitate to the bottom. Makes an interesting

> > science experiment.

> 



I've done this many times in the course of my work.  The solvent (in this 

case, water) is simply "full" and can hold no more ions.



It seems we've strayed far from herbal substance - although the 

connection is obvious and the content interesting.  One question remains 

for me (any biological chemists out there?) can our bodies use (absorb) the 

bound form of mineral at the bottom of the teacup?



Gale





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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:25:21 GMT

--------

HerbAssist <herbassist@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990519065848.23704.00002334@ng-ci1.aol.com...

> >Very seldom do you find pure minerals in things natural. That means that

they

> >can get bound up with other things in the herb tea - the longer you let

the

> >tea

> >stand before drinking the more bottom sediment you get. That's what

> >"precipitating out" means.

> >

>

> The minerals can precipitate out without being bound to something. The

minerals

> and other water soluble compounds saturate the water. If the water starts

to

> become supersaturated the excess minerals will precipitate out without

binding

> to anything. Keep adding salt to a cup of water. Once the water is

saturated,

> any excess salt will fall to the bottom without binding to anything. If

done

> carefully in a sterile environment, the water can be supersaturated

without

> precipitation. When you tap the glass though the excess salt will

immediately

> come out of solution and precipitate to the bottom. Makes an interesting

> science experiment.

>



The only examples of supersaturation are like that you describe - only occur

in pure solutions under carefully controlled conditions.  The classic

example involves dissolving a pure salt in warm distilled water, then

allowing it to cool.  Then any shock will set off the reaction.  This is

because even exothermic (energy-losing) reactions like precipitation

generally require a small energy input to initiate.  The likelihood of

super-saturation in a complex mixture of organic and inorganic solutes is

extremely remote, since precipitation or reaction of many of the compounds

will result in a sufficient release of energy.  It is far more likely that

saturation of the solvent of some of the less-soluble compounds occurs at

the boiling point, followed by precipitation as the solvent cools.

Super-saturation is not required as an explanation.



> >If the minerals are in solution in the water they're obviously NOT in the

> >sediment. If they're in solution in the water you can absorb them through

> >your

> >stomach lining.

> >If they're bound up with other things you might be able to get them in

the

> >last

> >foot or so of your small intestine -- provided you have no digestive

> >problems.

>

> If we are going to be worried about taking minerals bound to things, then

why

> do we take chelated minerals?



Chelates are compounds that are able to bind to multi-valent ions at more

than one point simultaneously, a rather tight bond.  Many

naturally-occurring organic substances are cabable of acting act as

chelates, as well as a number of synthetics like EDTA.  Some of the

chelation materials are themselves soluble (again, like EDTA), many others

(like the insoluble organic fraction in soils and composts) are not.  Some

of the naturally-occurring organic chelates are soluble only until their

charge has been neutralized by combining with a cation, at which point they

become non-polar enough to be essentially insoluble in water.  The chelates

sold as supplements are (presumably) the soluble sort.



> >Possibly they're bound up so tight with whatever got them that you're not

> >able

> >to get at them at all; they pass through unchanged.

> >

>

> I still doubt if the precipitation is due to binding. And even if it were

you

> would still have to take in to consideration the formation of chloride

salts

> when these complexes contact stomach acid (hydrogen chloride) as I pointed

out

> to Josh. These salts would be readily absorbed.



I think you would agree that, unless you never attend the toilet, there are

some substances that pass all the way through, no?  This unabsorbed material

is rich in organic molecules and, undoubtedly, in insoluble chelates.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: microwave and simmering questions

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 16 May 1999 21:22:03 GMT

--------

>Henriette are you serious about drinking nettles within an hour? I make

>infusions from all of the above mentioned and to make the infusion I let the

>herb sit in the hot water overnight. Haven't noticed any bad effects.

>

>I was also under the impression that in order to get those darn minerals out

>one must infuse the plant for at least 3-4 hours.

>

>Belinda



I mainly drink nettle tea for flavor with a little lemon grass and stevia. I

let it sit at least 3 hours to get a stronger flavor.

As far as the minerals go they are not destroyed. If the precipitate they just

settle out to the bottom which problem can be solved by stirring the tea or

shaking it up before pouring yourself a cup.





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Subject: Re: Migraines and Siberian Ginseng

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:55:03 GMT

--------

ck <korbus*spamfree*@uillinois.edu> wrote:



>I am taking (medical) Calan for my migraines and have been migraine-free

>for about 7 months.  About a month ago I started taking 2000mg Siberian

>Ginseng and 1500mg B-12 daily.  A few days ago my migraines returned

>with a vengeance.  Could there be any connection with the ginseng and

>B-12?



1500 mg B12?  That's enough to cure an elephant of deficiency

anemia!  It's perhaps the excipient (the stuff holding the pills

together) or else it's the ginseng.  



Stop them and see if the migraines go away.  Then add JUST ONE

of the two and see what happens.  If the headache comes back,

stop taking it.  If you go a couple weeks with no migraines, ass

the second one. 





Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: Migraines and Siberian Ginseng

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:45:51 -0700

--------

>   If you go a couple weeks with no migraines, ass the second one.



How should I ass the second one?  As a supository?... j o  s    h







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Subject: Re: Cultures with superlong life-spans?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:03:36 GMT

--------

lookin_n_learnin@my-dejanews.com wrote:



>Is the following quote true? If so, where is more info on this subject?

>

>"Amazingly, five cultures in the world actually have average life spans

>of 120 and 140 years. "

>http://www.insidewallstreet.com/companies/PHLB/index.html



   It's a crock!  For this to be true, either the majority of the

population of those cultures (and note that they don't identify

them by name) is surviving to be 120-130 OR for every person who 

dies at 90, there are several living to be 150-170.  



  This particular rumor has been going on since the Hunza were 

supposedly discovered to beliving to that age.  However, the

persons reporting the phenomonen didn't catch on that that the

culture was not counting age in the same way as westerners.  

  A similar thing was noted for some other groups ... early

draft-dodging was to blame.  When the Czar's census taker showed

up, suddenly all the men in the village were over the age of army

service. 





Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: information please :)

From: "Gary Barker" <tinman@abacus.com.au>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:34:42 +0800

--------

I was wondering if anyone had information about ancient herbal use, in

culinary, ritual, medicinal etc. on the web or in books, preferably around

the European area, namely Englad, Scotland, Ireland and Wales.



Thanks in advance.............Helichrysum









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: information please :)

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:59:01 GMT

--------

On Thu, 13 May 1999 20:34:42 +0800, "Gary Barker" <tinman@abacus.com.au> wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>I was wondering if anyone had information about ancient herbal use, in

>culinary, ritual, medicinal etc. on the web or in books, preferably around

>the European area, namely Englad, Scotland, Ireland and Wales.



Check Maude Grieve's Modern Herbal, online at

http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/mgmh.html - or Culpeper, or Gerard, or

try your local used book store.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Repel cats

From: "Ceg" <Screensavers_by_Ceg@yahoo.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:59:04 -0400

--------

Can you suggest an herb that would repel cats, but not be harmful to them?

I have a problem keeping them off the kitchen counter...they love high

places to sit and watch the goings on.



Thanks..

Ceg













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Repel cats

From: "Wubba" <skyward@frognet.net>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:11:55 -0400

--------



Ceg wrote in message <7hels6$ap8$1@news.news-service.com>...

>Can you suggest an herb that would repel cats, but not be harmful to them?

>I have a problem keeping them off the kitchen counter...they love high

>places to sit and watch the goings on.

>

>Thanks..

>Ceg

********************

A little plant mister sprayed on them makes them jump off but I doubt it

will prevent them from jumping up-even if you place the mister spray bottle

directly on the counter as a deterant.  My cat doesn't seem to get the

message, and only  jumps down when he hears us approach- the stinker!



I've heard that if you place tin foil on furniture or counters or on top of

the soil of a potted plant in might deter the cat.



Sorry that's not an herbal answer...

Wubba









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Subject: Re: Repel cats

From: "Ceg" <Screensavers_by_Ceg@yahoo.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:15:44 -0400

--------

That's worth a shot...where can I get that?





Linda VW wrote in message <373c6024.0@news.mho.net>...

>I know that my cats are horrified by the smell of Tea Tree Oil. If yours

>don't like it, maybe you could daub some on the counter?











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Repel cats

From: Rosemarie <knots@mint.net>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:00:11 +0000

--------

Ceg

Good luck!

I have been living with cats for 30 years now and only once did I have

the luxury of being home every day for most of the day and having a very

young cat. Training was the only thing that did it. The few times she

did jump up on the counter in her younger years, there was nothing there

to interest her, especially food. Since that cat, I have taken in older

cats and although they respect my desire for them not to be on the

counter during the day, who knows what goes on at night? Can you provide

your cat with other high places to view the world from?



Bloodmeal keeps unwanted critters out of gardens. Is that anything you

can work with? (semi-yuk)



Pet stores sell a liquid repellent but I've been told they become used

to whatever is disagreeable about it.



Hope someone has other ideas; I would be interested in it too.

Rosemarie 





Ceg wrote:

> 

> Can you suggest an herb that would repel cats, but not be harmful to them?

> I have a problem keeping them off the kitchen counter...they love high

> places to sit and watch the goings on.

> 

> Thanks..

> Ceg





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Repel cats

From: Bumba <Bumba@home.in.ca>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:33:30 -0400

--------

What I did was use an SPCA trick for stopping squirrels from chew our

facial boards. Take some tin foil smear with a light coating of thick

oil or Vaseline then dust with Cayenne. After it jumps on the foil it'll

jump off right away and start cleaning his feet, and I imagine they find

it a little hot and the next time they think twice.



Mind you you'll have to clean up some cat paw marks at first, but it

doesn't take long for them to give up on jumping. Later you can just

leave the plain tin there, they won't take the chance it's not 'loaded'.



Andrew







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Subject: Re: Repel cats

From: "Hey It's Me!" <LTATER@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:34:16 -0700

--------

What I did to keep my cat off the counter was put a bowl of water in the

sink.  I did this when he first tried to jump into the sink.  While I was at

work I am sure he jumped into the sink, got all wet and I have had him now

for two years and to this very day he will not jump up on my counter.  When

I leave something on the counter, it is as is when I return.

Bilherbs <bilherbs@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990515001426.00811.00001149@ng-cg1.aol.com...

> >Can you suggest an herb that would repel cats, but not be harmful to

them?

> >I have a problem keeping them off the kitchen counter...they love high

> >places to sit and watch the goings on.

> >

> >Thanks..

> >Ceg

>

> Not an herbal method but it did work. I put mouse traps, set, under

newspaper

> on the counter. The cat jumped onto the newspaper the traps went off and

the

> cat jumped up to the ceiling. Everyone but the kitty had a good time. :)









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Subject: Re: spider bite

From: vandyt@bellsouth.net (Vandy Terre)

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:15:33 GMT

--------

On Wed, 12 May 1999 09:17:16 -0700, "Lani Loring" <llhow@wco.com>

wrote:



>Any ideas for a bottom-of-the-foot spider bite that seems worse the 2nd day?

>Herbal or homeopathic or Chinese?  The area is a bit swollen & itches, & all

>that I've used is Lavender Oil for the itch. Thanks.



First clean the wound.  Remove any dead tissue that is allowing toxins

to build up.  Then apply a poultice to draw out the arachnid venom.  I

usually use a slice of raw potato to draw toxins.  But have been told

that wetted, in water, cigarette tobacco also works.  Once all the

toxin has been removed the wound should no longer be an angry,

infected red.  As long as venom remains in the wound, your tissue will

continue to die and the wound will enlarge.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: spider bite

From: snowshoe@xyz.net (Jan Flora)

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 06:33:49 -0800

--------

In article <gSh_2.311$cK4.19925@nuq-read.news.verio.net>, "Lani Loring"

<llhow@wco.com> wrote:



>Any ideas for a bottom-of-the-foot spider bite that seems worse the 2nd day?

>Herbal or homeopathic or Chinese?  The area is a bit swollen & itches, & all

>that I've used is Lavender Oil for the itch. Thanks.



You didn't say where you are. Different parts of the world have diff. spiders.



Go to the ER or to your MD. If it's a hobo or a brown recluse bite, the necrotic

tissue will extend 8 or 10" deep, before it quits dying. In a conical form.

A friend of mine just went through that. You should see the hole in his

back!  If you got the bite in your foot, you may get to see what your

phalanges (bones) look like, before the venom is done rotting your flesh...



First, consult an MD. Later, consult a herbalist, to help restore the tissue

that the spider bite killed.



I guess it's not politically correct to say that anyone with a spider bite who

doesn't take herself to the ER right away is an idiot, is it?



   Jan

   not terribly PC in the first place...





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Grapefruit Seed Extract

From: mavinci2@aol.com-post (MaVinci2)

Date: 13 May 1999 15:22:58 GMT

--------

This has antibacterial properties, I understand.

Would one use it ONLY when one has an infection

of some kind, maybe a sinus infection or something

in the throat?  Or as a preventive kind of thing?



Thanks for any info!



Robin

--------------------------------------

Robin

Aurora, Colorado





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Grapefruit Seed Extract

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:32:47 GMT

--------

On 13 May 1999 15:22:58 GMT, mavinci2@aol.com-post (MaVinci2) wrote:



>This has antibacterial properties, I understand.

>Would one use it ONLY when one has an infection

>of some kind, maybe a sinus infection or something

>in the throat?  Or as a preventive kind of thing?

>

My wife was using it for candida and she suggested I used it too. It

made my teeth very sensitive. Receding gums were much worse so I gave

it up. My wife developed the same problem after a few weeks.	





Steve

--

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Neural Network Shareware 

http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk





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Subject: Re: Grapefruit Seed Extract

From: "Wubba" <skyward@frognet.net>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:24:28 -0400

--------



MaVinci2 wrote in message <19990513112258.22556.00000082@ng-cj1.aol.com>...

>This has antibacterial properties, I understand.

>Would one use it ONLY when one has an infection

>of some kind, maybe a sinus infection or something

>in the throat?  Or as a preventive kind of thing?

>

>Thanks for any info!

>

>Robin

>Aurora, Colorado

***************************

I just read in my herbal book that it is useful to flush the body of

parasites like pinworms, roundworms, threadworms, hookworms.



Book title:  The Medical Advisor- the complete guide to Alternative and

Conventional treatments

by- TimeLife



Wubba- "plaintain is no longer a "weed" in my yard- but a welcome tenant!!"









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Subject: St John's Wort & pregnant ladies

From: "colin" <c.findlay@btinternet.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:34:12 +0100

--------

Anybody know the definite gen on why this isn't a good combination ?

Everybody tells me it;s a bad idea, except Lichtwer Pharma, who are

curiously quiet on the subject...









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Subject: Re: St John's Wort & pregnant ladies

From: Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:13:54 GMT

--------

I'll probably get a whole rash of flames wanting to know where I'm

quoting this from again, and I can't remember where I'm quoting it from,

but I'll post it anyway.



St. John's Wort should not be used in the same places that MAO

Inhibitors should not be used, which I would assume includes pregnancy.

 From that, one could deduce that St Johns Wort must have a lot in

common with MAO inhibitors, but using the paradigms of today's

pharmaceuticals when talking about herbs is backwards.



First came the herbs.  Then came the pharmaceuticals.



To relax during pregnancy, try chamomile and red raspberry instead.





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Subject: Re: St John's Wort & pregnant ladies

From: dsmith1997@aol.com (DSmith1997)

Date: 14 May 1999 14:50:35 GMT

--------

>> ..... which I would assume includes pregnancy. <<



Ever notice how posts on the subject of pregnancy (or somehow connected to

pregnancy) seem to get more replies in these news groups? <LOL>



Daniel





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Subject: Re: St John's Wort & pregnant ladies

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:51:30 -0700

--------

Personally I feel it's best to avoid taking herbs during pregnancy unless

they are known to be safe, ie red raspberry leaf, nettles.  Have not seen

anything about SJW.  I'd want to look at why ther person felt she needed it.

Would not advise to take it "just because" but if there were depression

issues then I would think about it.



Ingrid









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Subject: Re: St John's Wort & pregnant ladies

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:39:15 -0700

--------





DSmith1997 wrote:



> >> ..... which I would assume includes pregnancy. <<

>

> Ever notice how posts on the subject of pregnancy (or somehow connected to

> pregnancy) seem to get more replies in these news groups? <LOL>



True, no wonder we are overpopulated... j o  s   h







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St John's Wort & pregnant ladies

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:52:17 -0700

--------





colin wrote:



> Anybody know the definite gen on why this isn't a good combination ?

> Everybody tells me it;s a bad idea, except Lichtwer Pharma, who are

> curiously quiet on the subject...



I believe SJW to be safe in pregnancy.  I see no reason why it would not

be.  What are the reasons given?... j o  s    h









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St John's Wort & pregnant ladies

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 14 May 1999 14:37:49 GMT

--------

H'mm ......... I am not quite sure about that one. Where did you hear or read

that  SJW should not be used during pregnancy please? Maybe the author/speaker

said it because SJW can impair the absorption of minerals (which it can) across

the intestinal wall? The gut loses some of it's efficiency anyway during

pregnancy and we all all know that the developing fetus need not be deprived of

important minerals. 



On the flip side, SJW can help control uterine contractions at birth. I, for

one, am very skeptical of a pregnant lady taking certain herbs, drugs, etc.

that may not be necessary just in case there may be a unknown or remote

possibility that the ingested material may interfere with the development of

the fetus. For instance: we know that large intakes of caffeine can cause birth

defects, excessive intake of vitamin A can cause cleft palate and other

congenital defects, etc.



Anyone care to jump in that knows the answer to this one? You have got my

interest.



Irwin Green <What do I know? I am just a guy.><LOL>





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St John's Wort & pregnant ladies

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 15 May 1999 02:45:33 GMT

--------

Seems to me I heard of German studies being done on pregnant and lactating

women (not sure if they were ladies) and there were no ill effects from SJW.



If herbs are not to be taken during pregancy you'd best rule out carrots,

parsley and probably half the garden. Much of what we call vegetables today

were called herbs in years past.



Belinda





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St John's Wort & pregnant ladies

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 15 May 1999 05:33:01 GMT

--------

>> If herbs are not to be taken during pregancy you'd best rule out carrots,

parsley and probably half the garden. Much of what we call vegetables today

were called herbs in years past. <<



I think there may be a difference in using a plant for food (fruits & veggies)

versus for medicinal purposes.



Irwin





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St John's Wort & pregnant ladies

From: "colin" <c.findlay@btinternet.com>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:46:40 +0100

--------

To be fair to them, this is what Lichtwer Pharma eventually came back with:



<<Thank you for contacting us concerning our St. John's Wort dietary

supplement

KIRA.



I am writing in regard to your request for information about using KIRA

during pregnancy.   We have not done any studies using KIRA while pregnant,

therefore we strongly recommend that you consult with your doctor before

using KIRA if you are pregnant.



Sincerely,

Kathy Habovick

Consumer Relations

>>

colin <c.findlay@btinternet.com> wrote in message

news:7hfcos$na9$1@mendelevium.btinternet.com...

> Anybody know the definite gen on why this isn't a good combination ?

> Everybody tells me it;s a bad idea, except Lichtwer Pharma, who are

> curiously quiet on the subject...

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: horsechestnut

From: bloodyroze@aol.com (BloodyRoze)

Date: 13 May 1999 23:44:34 GMT

--------

hi everyone....i have been taking st.johns wort for 6 months with vitamin

b-stress complex,everything has been great. 3 days ago i started taking

horsechestnut(supposed to help with circulation) in the am and pm for my

beautiful varicose veins. i started getting a weird feeling last night and when

i took it this morning i got ill and felt weird...yes i stopped taking it,but

has anyone else taken this and had a problem??   





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Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Retraction - My mistake

From: Kevin@Quitt.net (Kevin D. Quitt)

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 05:21:25 GMT

--------

On Thu, 13 May 1999 21:38:16 GMT, Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

>Later it says:  "Long term effect of Ritalin in children have not been

>well established."



Right.  After all, we've only been using it for 50 years.  Too soon for results.



-- 

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs for smoking cessation

From: "Treesitter" <treesitter@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 05:31:11 -0400

--------

it seems to me that I read about an herb that helps with smoking cessation.

can anyone remind me what it was?  My chiropractor asked me yesterday but I

couldn't remember.  He has a patient who has had a lot of trouble quitting.

thanks.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for smoking cessation

From: "robyn james" <robyn@hnhc.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:06:02 +0100

--------

Were you thinking of Lobelia? If I remember my pharmacology right, (but

don't quote me), one of its alkaloids, lobeline, is very similar in

structure to nicotine and can therefore help quell the cravings. I use it in

combination with Valerian and Avena for this purpose, and find it useful for

some people, (but not at all for others).



Treesitter wrote in message ...

>it seems to me that I read about an herb that helps with smoking cessation.











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for smoking cessation

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 14 May 1999 14:45:40 GMT

--------

Several herbs may be used to reduce the anxiety associated with the withdrawal

from nicotine. Some include catnip, hops, skullcap, etc.  Is the one you are

trying to think of in the list?



Irwin Green





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for smoking cessation

From: AlwaysAngelic <Ilene@white-star.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:05:21 +0100

--------

Treesitter <treesitter@hotmail.com> said:

>it seems to me that I read about an herb that helps with smoking cessation.



Here's a few more suggestions from alt.support.stop-smoking:



kava kava, St. John's Wort, valerian

and I believe I've heard about a herbal supplement from Sweden which is

meant to make cig smoke taste absolutely vile... but I can't remember

the name of it.  Sorry!



Ilene -- who quit 6 months ago

icq #2646464 -- http://welcome.to/my.twisted.sense.of.humour/

To email:  AlwaysAngelicATwhiteHYPHENstarDOTcom





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for smoking cessation

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:05:49 -0700

--------

lobelia also helps.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for smoking cessation

From: loralsl2@aol.com (Loralsl2)

Date: 27 May 1999 02:24:41 GMT

--------

Well, Lobiela is very good. It is actually indian tobacco(totally natural) and

helps with the cravings. Also a combination called HVS it has Valerian, hops

and scullcap in it. 

There is a homeopathic that has really helped called Tobacco detox. Make sure

you do a good toxin/blood detoxifier also....these really helped me when I quit

3 years ago!!   Loralsl2@aol.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Rutin and vit. C question

From: "Ladie" <lady@list.net>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:48:55 -0500

--------



Hemorrhoids are pretty tough to get rid of. I have tried taking lots of vit

C and rutin everyday, but perhaps not enough? 1500 mgs C and 100 mg Rutin.

Any other suggestions? These are protruding slightly and uncomfortable on

some days. They ache. Yuk!









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Nightshade Family?

From: dsmith1997@aol.com (DSmith1997)

Date: 14 May 1999 15:48:15 GMT

--------

I recently saw where people afflicted with arthritis should not consume veggies

(tomatoes, potatoes, etc.) from the "nightshade" family because they contain a

substance that can increase the pain and suffering from arthritis. Does anyone

know what the nightshade family is? Does that include herbs? Does cayenne

pepper belong to this family? I use cayenne myself for cardiovascular reasons.



Daniel





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Nightshade Family?

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:48:13 -0700

--------

Nightshade family includes potatoes, tomatoes, peppers and eggplant.  Some

folks with arthritis find that they have less pain when they avoid these

foods. Other folks do not notice a difference.  Me, I can eat them as long

as I avoid meat but when I was a beef eater I would react badly to eggplant.



You could try not eating them and see if your symptoms change. Takes 4-6

weeks to notice a difference.



Ingrid









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aloe Vera grower seeking distributor

From: its760@aol.com (ITS760)

Date: 14 May 1999 22:32:08 GMT

--------

Hello,

We have a nursery where we grow the finest aloe vera. We have great wholesale

prices on large quantities. Any one interested?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: what is Oklahoma Snake Root

From: lookin_n_learnin@my-dejanews.com

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:34:30 GMT

--------

A friend in Oklahoma wants to use the local Snake Root (as a health

tonic, I think). I tried to get some info off the Net, but apparently

there are many different kinds of Snake Root.



What kind of Snake Root grows in southeast Oklahoma? And what is it good

for?



Thanks





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: what is Oklahoma Snake Root

From: hrbmoore@primenet.com (Michael Moore)

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:27:45 -0700

--------

In article <7hi8dn$sv2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, lookin_n_learnin@my-dejanews.com

wrote:



> A friend in Oklahoma wants to use the local Snake Root (as a health

> tonic, I think). I tried to get some info off the Net, but apparently

> there are many different kinds of Snake Root.

> 

> What kind of Snake Root grows in southeast Oklahoma? And what is it good

> for?

> 

> Thanks



Your friend is probably referring to one of the Echinaceas...E.

angustifolia has often been called Kansas Snakeroot, amd E. purpurea as

Missouri Snakeroot (although Parthenium integrifolium, the adulterant root

often used to "step" on Echinacea is still being called Missouri Snakeroot

by some of the brokers).



Both Echinaceas are found in SE Oklahoma, as well as the closely related E.

pallida.



Senega Snakeroot (Polygala senega) also grows around Rich Mountain in the

Ouchitas, however, and Canadian Snakeroot (Asarum canadensis or Wild

Ginger) is found in the east and SE of OK.



I would place my bet on Echinacea...probably E. pallida as the plant your

friend is talking about.



As to what it is good for (to quote myself...)



ECHINACEA



Aphthous stomatitis (as a wash and internally)

Foul breath with sulphur burps.

Gums bleeding, sore and spongy, internally and as a mouthwash.

Periapical abscess (gum boils), internally and topically.

Ear discharge.

Purulent laryngitis with systemic effects.

As a gargle in acute pharyngitis.

Initial stages of acute pharyngitis.

Subacute pharyngitis, slow to heal.

Strep throat; tonsillitis (internally and as a gargle).

Acute sinusitis with ulcerations (as a nasal spray).

Intrinsic humid asthma with moist cough.

Toxic albuminuria.

Septic diarrhea.

Bacillary dysentery with suppurations (with Baptisia).

Fermentative dyspepsia, aggravated by food.

Chronic gastritis with sulfuric, putrid belching.

Peritonitis, post-operative with lingering autotoxicity.

Shigellosis, supportive to primary therapy (with Baptisia).

Abscess, with septicemia, swellings (with Baptisia).

Abscess, with fetid discharge (internal and external).

Abscess, as a moistening agent in a stimulating poultice with Althea powder as a

    base.

As a topical disinfectant for abrasions.

Decubitus with necrosis (internal and external).

Eczema, pustular with sticky exudate.

Herpes simplex, to speed regeneration (externally).

Poison ivy/oak (topically).

Skin ulcers with septicemia, edema, fever (with Baptisia); with septicemia

(internal and external); with fetid discharge or gangrenous lesions (external).

Suppuration with necrosis, in weak individuals (with Baptisia, externally); or

    with necrosis in strong individuals (externally).

Urticaria (externally).

Chronic tendinitis (for extended use).

Cervicitis with ulceration (Calendula as douche, with Echinacea tincture and

    glycerine (1:4 ratio) as night-time suppository).

Endometritis/metritis, with fever (with Baptisia).

Acute vaginitis (douche).

Stomatitis, while nursing.

Infant teething, with usual agitation and GI disturbances (rubbed on gums).

Blood dyscrasias, in general.

Septicemia with strong immunologic vitality.

Blood serum levels: white blood cell depression, any cause (with Commiphora).

Endogenous infections, in general; or in feeble individuals (with Baptisia and

    Phytolacca).

Septic fevers (with Baptisia).

Cancer, immunosuppression from therapy; or immunosuppression with marked

    WBC depression( with Commiphora).

To stimulate acquired or innate immunity.

Immunosuppression, recent, from stress (with Commiphora).

Leukocytosis (with Ligusticum porteri or Lomatium dissectum).

Leukopenia (with Commiphora).

Lymphadenitis, inflammatory with fever.

Lymphangitis, acute in strong individuals (with Lomatium); or acute in weak

    individuals (with Astragalus).

Mononucleosis, acute stages (with Ceanothus).

Mononucleosis, general supportive,

Mumps, acute (2 parts Echinacea to 1 part Aconitum, in small frequent doses;

   also as topical lotion, 3 parts Echinacea to 1 part Phytolacca).

Headache, from fevers.



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@primenet.com)



http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

teaching and clinical manuals, over 1,600 medicinal plant 

images and manuals and texts for the serious herbalist.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: tinnitus/ginko biloba

From: ear <ear@kellnet.com>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:10:31 -0400

--------

can anyone point me to the faq for this ng?



or

give me a link where i could find the medicines that contradict

trying   ginko biloba for tinnitus



or any other comments on tinnitis + herbal treatmentt

thanks

elaine









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tinnitus/ginko biloba

From: Robert Frick <rfrick@psych1.psy.sunysb.edu>

Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:29:02 -0400

--------

ear wrote:

> 

> can anyone point me to the faq for this ng?

> 

> or

> give me a link where i could find the medicines that contradict

> trying   ginko biloba for tinnitus

> 

> or any other comments on tinnitis + herbal treatmentt

> thanks

> elaine



I put some info on tinnitus on my web site

(http://www.medfaq.com/tinnitus.htm).  An extract on Ginkgo:



        The effect of Ginkgo Biloba was difficult to estimate.  Holgers

et al. (1994), first using no control group, found 20% improvement,

which is a little larger but not much larger than the typical placebo

effect.  With a control group, Ginkgo Biloba was not statistically

significantly better than the control group, but there were only a few

number of subjects.  So Ginkgo Biloba could have had a small effect.  In

contrast to these lackadaisical results, Meyer (1986) reported that

Ginkgo Biloba caused improvements for everyone.  Jastreboff et al.

(1997) found that Ginkgo Biloba reduced the tinnitus produced by giving

salicylate to rats.  (And I do wonder how tinnitus is measured in rats

-- by measuring auditory neural activity presumably.) 



Bob Frick





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tinnitus/ginko biloba

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:19:15 GMT

--------

On Fri, 14 May 1999 21:10:31 -0400, ear <ear@kellnet.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>can anyone point me to the faq for this ng?



Try my .sig.



Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tinnitus/ginko biloba

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 15 May 1999 17:57:50 GMT

--------

In article <373CC986.27141EE@kellnet.com>, ear <ear@kellnet.com> writes:



>or any other comments on tinnitis + herbal treatmentt



Paul Yannick's little booklet, NATURAL RELIEF FROM TINNITUS, recommends using

supportive herbs to improve overall digestion and absorption of enzymes. He

recommends herbs like ginger, fennel, dandelion, and gentian.



His theories concerning diet and the effect on tinnitus are interesting, but

mostly unproven. The book's been out for several years -- look at your local

health foodstore -- and so inexpensive that it might be worth picking up just

to get some ideas (his explanations of the mechanics of the ear are very good).



Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tinnitus/ginko biloba

From: David Honaker <david@Aloe-Products.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:30:26 GMT

--------

Elaine,



I really doubt Ginko b. would be effective for tinnitus.  I know people

who have tried this herb, with no effect.



- David

-- 

David H. Honaker

Forever Living Products International

www.Aloe-Products.com

e-mail:  David@Aloe-Products.com

(602) 404-4074



ear wrote:

> 

> can anyone point me to the faq for this ng?

> 

> or

> give me a link where i could find the medicines that contradict

> trying   ginko biloba for tinnitus

> 

> or any other comments on tinnitis + herbal treatmentt

> thanks

> elaine





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tinnitus/ginko biloba

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:27:13 -0400

--------

David,

Along with dealing with an individual's constitution, Gingko biloba can be

helpful for tinnitus. The people who tried the herb and it didn't work,

what form did they use, and for what duration? If all they consumed was a

tea from the dried leaves, then sure, it wouldn't work. Standardized

products or herbal tinctures with a high alcohol to extract the flavanoids

and other constiuents of yellow gingko leaves can be medicinally effective.



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/

David Honaker wrote:



> Elaine,

>

> I really doubt Ginko b. would be effective for tinnitus.  I know people

> who have tried this herb, with no effect.

>

> snip>

> ear wrote:

> >

> > can anyone point me to the faq for this ng?

> >

> > or

> > give me a link where i could find the medicines that contradict

> > trying   ginko biloba for tinnitus

> >

> > or any other comments on tinnitis + herbal treatmentt

> > thanks

> > elaine







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tinnitus/ginko biloba

From: "il professore" <ilprof@thegrid.net>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:55:41 -0700

--------

A very dear friend of mine ,who suffered from tinnitus, reported a 90%

improvement after taking GB at regular intervals.  She said that the sounds

were almost gone.

NORMAN



David Honaker wrote in message <37411668.BC092F4A@Aloe-Products.com>...

>Elaine,

>

>I really doubt Ginko b. would be effective for tinnitus.  I know people

>who have tried this herb, with no effect.

>

>- David











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tinnitus/ginko biloba

From: mikeworth tonya yvonne <mikewort@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:56:30 -0500

--------

I have mild tinnitus and have been using GB for quite awhile now with very

good results.  I have read several books singing the praises of it and

would not so quickly dispute it.  Yes, every person is different and will

react differently but to someone who suffers from it, it could be worth

trying.  Make sure you find very good quality product and you need to take

it for several weeks regularly or it  won't be as effective. 

Tonya



On Tue, 18 May 1999, il professore wrote:



> A very dear friend of mine ,who suffered from tinnitus, reported a 90%

> improvement after taking GB at regular intervals.  She said that the sounds

> were almost gone.

> NORMAN

> 

> David Honaker wrote in message <37411668.BC092F4A@Aloe-Products.com>...

> >Elaine,

> >

> >I really doubt Ginko b. would be effective for tinnitus.  I know people

> >who have tried this herb, with no effect.

> >

> >- David

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Anyone ordered from Richters?

From: Jude@Bennett.com (Judith Scothern)

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 04:12:42 GMT

--------

I'm considering jumpstarting my new herb garden by ordering some

plants from Richters, webpage www.richters.com.  I'm thinking of

starting with comfrey, stinging nettle, echinacea, and others.  Along

with those plants I'll probably get seed for burdock, calendula, st.

johns wort, camomile and red clover.  Has anyone ordered live plants

from Richters?  If so, were you pleased with them, did they survive

the shipping relatively soundly?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anyone ordered from Richters?

From: Rosemarie <knots@mint.net>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:29:39 +0000

--------

Richters has their act down pat; quality of herbs and shipping. I've

ordered several times. (you will be impressed with their shipping)

Give the stinging nettle and comfrey lots and lots of space; I grow them

both and they are INVASIVE (and wonderful).

-Rosemarie 





Judith Scothern wrote:

> 

> I'm considering jumpstarting my new herb garden by ordering some

> plants from Richters, webpage www.richters.com.  I'm thinking of

> starting with comfrey, stinging nettle, echinacea, and others.  Along

> with those plants I'll probably get seed for burdock, calendula, st.

> johns wort, camomile and red clover.  Has anyone ordered live plants

> from Richters?  If so, were you pleased with them, did they survive

> the shipping relatively soundly?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anyone ordered from Richters?

From: eggs@telusxplanet.net (elaine & glenn)

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 05:18:34 GMT

--------

On Sat, 15 May 1999 04:12:42 GMT, Jude@Bennett.com (Judith Scothern)

wrote:



>I'm considering jumpstarting my new herb garden by ordering some

>plants from Richters, webpage www.richters.com.  I'm thinking of

>starting with comfrey, stinging nettle, echinacea, and others.  Along

>with those plants I'll probably get seed for burdock, calendula, st.

>johns wort, camomile and red clover.  Has anyone ordered live plants

>from Richters?  If so, were you pleased with them, did they survive

>the shipping relatively soundly?



Hi,



Richters is great. No problem with live plants...they've got a really

clever packaging system.



Comfrey is huge, stinging nettle needs to be somewhere that kids &

neighbours won't get stung, echinacea's hard to grow from seed,

burdock is huge and you need to take off the seed heads so it won't

take over the neighbourhood, the rest are easy to grow from seed.

Consider buying seeds instead of live plants just to save the money :)



Elaine

remove x from email to reply





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anyone ordered from Richters?

From: Jude@Bennett.com (Judith Scothern)

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:14:31 GMT

--------

eggs@telusxplanet.net (elaine & glenn) wrote:



>Richters is great. No problem with live plants...they've got a really

>clever packaging system.



Thanks for the replies, it seems everyone has had a positive

experience with Richters.



>Comfrey is huge, stinging nettle needs to be somewhere that kids &

>neighbours won't get stung, echinacea's hard to grow from seed,



Yeah.  That eight week germination period, and having to put the seeds

in the fridge, etc, seemed awfully complicated.



>Consider buying seeds instead of live plants just to save the money :)



I am going to buy mainly seeds, but some things should have been

planted earlier in the year (I'm in California), so I'll buy those as

plants, as they're not terribly expensive.  Besides, I want to have a

source of usable nettles and comfrey as soon as possible.



Another question:  I'm also growing a fairly sizable organic vegetable

garden - several dozen tomato plants, lots of chile varieties, many

greens, including wild ones such as lambs quarters, purslane,

chickweed, etc.  Is it better to keep my herb garden completely

separate, or are there some herbs which will do better mixed in with

my veggies?  







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anyone ordered from Richters?

From: eggs@telusxplanet.net (elaine & glenn)

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 03:12:10 GMT

--------

On Sat, 15 May 1999 18:14:31 GMT, Jude@Bennett.com (Judith Scothern)

wrote:



>Another question:  I'm also growing a fairly sizable organic vegetable

>garden - several dozen tomato plants, lots of chile varieties, many

>greens, including wild ones such as lambs quarters, purslane,

>chickweed, etc.  Is it better to keep my herb garden completely

>separate, or are there some herbs which will do better mixed in with

>my veggies?  

>

Hi,



Look into companion planting...there are lots of good books, including

two called Carrots Love Tomatos, and Roses Love Garlic (can't remember

the name of the author but she wrote both books). It gives ideas on

good/bad plant combinations to help with pest problems, etc.



Personally I grow my vegetables in any bare spots in my perennial

borders and don't have a separate vegetable garden any more :)



If you're growing open-pollinated tomatos or peppers and want to

collect seed, remember that the seed won't come true if you grow them

too close together. 



Elaine

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Subject: Re: Anyone ordered from Richters?

From: "Herb Lady" <herbs@mcmsys.com>

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 21:32:23 -0500

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Serge Crispo wrote in message <37461316.0@news.interlinx.qc.ca>...

>In message <373cf2ea.51354756@nntp.best.com> - Jude@Bennett.com (Judith

>Scothern)Sat, 15 May 1999 04:12:42 GMT writes:

>:>

>:>I'm considering jumpstarting my new herb garden by ordering some

>:>plants from Richters, webpage www.richters.com.  I'm thinking of

>:>starting with comfrey, stinging nettle, echinacea, and others.  Along

>:>with those plants I'll probably get seed for burdock, calendula, st.

>:>johns wort, camomile and red clover.  Has anyone ordered live plants

>:>from Richters?  If so, were you pleased with them, did they survive

>:>the shipping relatively soundly?





Richter's has an EXCELLENT reputation - one of the best in the herb mail

order business.  They make a real effort to do a good job, and to try to

find and grow some of the less known herbs, too.



I have heard him (Richter) speak at a conference, and was very impressed

with his  dedication to his business, and to the pursuit of knowledge of

growing these herbs and making this knowledge available, as well as to

finding new herbs, or varieties or herbs, and introducing them commercially,

so people can enjoy them.



    No, I'm not related to him, and I've never bought anything from them.

But I know many who have.













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Subject: Re: Anyone ordered from Richters?

From: ladyokana@aol.com (LadyOkana)

Date: 26 May 1999 02:50:33 GMT

--------

I have had great success ordering from Richter's, and I would recommend them

highly.  The herb plants were healthy and good, they offer seeds I cannot

obtain elsewhere, their catalog is a font of wonderful herbal information, and

they ship super fast.  I can't imagine ordering anywhere else now - I'm

spoiled!



Denice



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Subject: Re: Anyone ordered from Richters?

From: suemilham@aol.com (Sue milham)

Date: 27 May 1999 15:52:47 GMT

--------

If you can find someone with comfrey, it is easy to cut off a node on the root

to get plants started.



>Jude@Bennett.com (Judith Scothern)

>Date: Sat, May 15, 1999 12:12 AM

wrote:

>I'm considering jumpstarting my new herb garden by ordering some

>plants from Richters, webpage www.richters.com.  I'm thinking of

>starting with comfrey, stinging nettle, echinacea, and others.  Along

>with those plants I'll probably get seed for burdock, calendula, st.

>johns wort, camomile and red clover.  Has anyone ordered live plants

>from Richters?  If so, were you pleased with them, did they survive

>the shipping relatively soundly?





Sue M.





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Subject: Re: Blatter Cotrol

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 15 May 1999 18:22:44 GMT

--------

>> My Mother is having problems with Blatter Control. ......... I have heard

there are herbs that can help.  <<



There are several herbs that are beneficial for bladder and/or kidney

infections but I do not know about bladder control. Seems like I have seen

someplace where acupucture or hypnosis may help in these situations. You may

want to poat a similar message in alt.hypnosis -or- misc.health.alternative



Irwin <not a medical professional>





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Subject: Re: Blatter Cotrol

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:05:03 -0700

--------

This may sound wierd but it's important she drink adequate fluids to help

with baldder control.  Concentrated urine is irritating to the bladder and

can make incontinence worse.



Ingrid

who is a health professional, gerontological nurse to be exact.









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Subject: Quality of herbal tea bags ?

From: "mr keith" <mr.keith@virgin.net>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:02:00 +0100

--------

I need to cut down on caffeine so have started drinking

herbal tea, the pre-packed ones taste good but I am

wondering if fresh/loose herbs have any advantage.



Thanks

mr.keith@virgin.net

























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Subject: Re: Quality of herbal tea bags ?

From: aleph089@hotmailsquared.com (Alehandro Taptaptaptaptap)

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 02:51:30 GMT

--------

On Sat, 15 May 1999 23:02:00 +0100, "mr keith" <mr.keith@virgin.net>

wrote:



>I need to cut down on caffeine so have started drinking

>herbal tea, the pre-packed ones taste good but I am

>wondering if fresh/loose herbs have any advantage.

>

>Thanks

>mr.keith@virgin.net



They do, and not the smallest part of it is that you can invent your

own blends. I'd recommend getting a little of each of the following

and playing around with them to see what appeals to you:

Mint (peppermint or spearmint. Or both. Far be it from me to be

picky.)

German chamomile

Hibiscus flowers

Fresh ginger

Fresh or dried lemongrass

Cinnamon sticks

Fennel or anise seed

Dried fruit, whichever is your favorite variety

Rasperry leaf



Try a few of these for more exotic blends:

Star anise

Cardamom pods

Sweet hops

Sweet woodruff

Lemon balm

Licorice

Sage

Bay leaves





It's often very satisfying to craft a particularly good pot of tea.

Try mixing your herbal ingredients with true teas, like oolong and pu

erh (a little star anise and a few schizandra berries in a pot of pu

erh is wonderful.)



--

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Subject: Re: Quality of herbal tea bags ?

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:58:07 -0700

--------

Mr Keith queries:  I am

wondering if fresh/loose herbs have any advantage.



Yes and no.  What really counts is the quality of the herbs.  The commercial

herbs teas are blended more for taste than medicine. And they are easy to

use and taste pretty good. And if you are drinking them as an alternative to

drinking coffee and your enjoy the taste then the ease of teabags sound

reasonable.



With loose blends the cost may be less. Just because they are bulk does not

mean the quality is better.



With bulk herbs you can make your own blend for taste or for medicine. There

are fill your own bags on the market so you can make your own tea bags for

ease of use.



I use both forms.  At work I use tea bags for ease.  At home if I just want

a cup of herb tea for beverage purposes I use tea bags more then loose tea.

If I am making a medicinal tea to drink I use bulk and usually make a

potful.



Hope this helps.

Ingrid









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Subject: Re: Quality of herbal tea bags ?

From: aris2chat@aol.com (Aris2chat)

Date: 17 May 1999 01:37:33 GMT

--------

Most herbal and health food stores will have cotton drawstring bags.  You can

also get a coffee/tea filter for the microwave for a single cup.  They also

sell boxes of filter bags to fill with your own blends.

I depends on if you drink herbal teas for taste or for medicinal use.  Some

herb actually need to simmer for a long time, some just need to be seped.



(\  ~  /)  Liz "Duchess" 

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   / " \  

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 ~~~~~    That's why they have wing"





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Subject: Re: Quality of herbal tea bags ?

From: "mr keith" <mr.keith@virgin.net>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:52:19 +0100

--------

Thanks for the help,



I need to get to grips with my high blood pressure through

diet and exercise and really need a drink to relax with, my

favourites at the moment are camomile and nettle (dont seem

to go for the fruity ones) so I guess I'll stay with the tea

bags.



mr.keith@virgin.net













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Subject: Re: Quality of herbal tea bags ?

From: "Herb Lady" <herbs@mcmsys.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:30:42 -0500

--------

Some people think that dry, loose whole leaves are better to use than dry

ground tea leaves, because they last longer.  Ground up leaves oxidize

faster, and so lose their flavor and beneficial properties faster.



ma pickle wrote in message <5sF%2.84768$A6.41987758@news1.teleport.com>...

>Mr Keith queries:  I am

>wondering if fresh/loose herbs have any advantage.











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Subject: Re: Quality of herbal tea bags ?

From: "Infomaui" <infomaui@tropicals.com>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:19:41 GMT

--------

There are little metal tea bag also. I like those the best.

You can keep them really clean and there is no worries

about the contents of the bags.

Chris



d <sweetgrass@earthlink.net> wrote in article

<3741321F.770C1950@earthlink.net>...

> I prefer buying herbs in bulk because  you can mix your own blends and I

> prefer a strong, flavorful tea that I have never gotten from pre-packaged

tea

> bags.  However, tea bags are useful, particularly when on the go, or as

gifts

> for others.  Frontier makes 'disposable' teabags that you can fill with

loose

> tea (you can iron closed on a cotton setting ... you have to make sure

that

> loose tea doesnt get inbetween the closure part or it opens up on you

....). 

> I

> > mr.keith@virgin.net

> 

> 





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Subject: Ma Huang info please(-_-)

From: peacedawge@aol.com (PeaceDawge)

Date: 15 May 1999 22:39:23 GMT

--------



I want to make a  tincture for my asthma using Ma Huang (ephedra) and some

other beneficial herbs . What would be the concentration ratio of dried herbs 

to alcohol in regards to the Ma Huang and the other herbs( for example

Mullien,Lobelia,Slippery Elm, Licorice & Echinacea/Pau D'Arco) that would be of

benefit as well. Also what would be the dosage of the tincture

when done? I welcome any recipes that others have already found to work as

well! 

TIA to all with greater experience than myself who may be of help.

  

Peace,

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Subject: Re: Ma Huang info please(-_-)

From: "robyn james" <robyn@hnhc.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:04:47 +0100

--------

Ma Huang is a powerful herb and really not suitable for home use by someone

inexperienced. If at all possible, please go and see a professional

herbalist. It may not be suitable for you as a person, even though it is

used for a condition with which you have been labelled. It is really hard to

decide the underlying picture for yourself, as you can't stand outside

yourself and look at it objectively. If seeing a professional herbalist is

not possible, then it would be better to stick with the more gentle herbs.

Chamomile is often underestimated, and just because a herb acts in a gentle

balancing way, it doesn't mean that it is not powerful too, given time.

PeaceDawge wrote in message <19990515183923.18060.00000832@ng124.aol.com>...

>

>I want to make a  tincture for my asthma using Ma Huang (ephedra) and some

>other beneficial herbs . What would be the concentration ratio of dried

herbs

>to alcohol in regards to the Ma Huang and the other herbs









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Subject: Re: Ma Huang info please(-_-)

From: Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:28:38 GMT

--------

Even though I am extremely allergic, and many pre-packaged herbal

formulas use Ephedra, I learned the hard way that Ma Huang is dangerous

for me and makes my heart rate and blood pressure go up.  A long term

program of immune system strengthening herbs, used daily for more than a

year has reduced my problems considerably.  I treat the symptoms as they

occur -- Yerba Santa and Mullein for respiratory, etc, etc -- and rely

on a long term program of whole foods and daily exercise, with a daily

tonic of Nettles, Red Clover and Astragalus (and a few other nutrient

rich herbs)

 --- Gem







In article <7hn8gr$tfj$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>,

  "robyn james" <robyn@hnhc.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> Ma Huang is a powerful herb and really not suitable for home use by

someone

> inexperienced. If at all possible, please go and see a professional

> herbalist. It may not be suitable for you as a person, even though it

is

> used for a condition with which you have been labelled. It is really

hard to

> decide the underlying picture for yourself, as you can't stand outside

> yourself and look at it objectively. If seeing a professional

herbalist is

> not possible, then it would be better to stick with the more gentle

herbs.

> Chamomile is often underestimated, and just because a herb acts in a

gentle

> balancing way, it doesn't mean that it is not powerful too, given

time.

> PeaceDawge wrote in message

<19990515183923.18060.00000832@ng124.aol.com>...

> >

> >I want to make a  tincture for my asthma using Ma Huang (ephedra) and

some

> >other beneficial herbs . What would be the concentration ratio of

dried

> herbs

> >to alcohol in regards to the Ma Huang and the other herbs

>

>





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Foot cramps

From: "Freebird" <freebird@ticnet.com>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:57:41 -0500

--------

What would cause cramping in my feet almost all night one night last week?

And my feet felt sore for 2 days afterward.









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Subject: Re: Foot cramps

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:55:40 -0500

--------

Potassium or I *think* possibly sodium deficiency. or, conversely, not

enough water?



Hilary



Freebird <freebird@ticnet.com> wrote in message

news:146EDC7209519089.3A92FFC0FFE6945C.B85260E117604AC2@library-proxy.airnew

s.net...

| What would cause cramping in my feet almost all night one night last week?

| And my feet felt sore for 2 days afterward.

|

|









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Subject: Re: Foot cramps

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 16 May 1999 06:11:20 GMT

--------

>> Potassium or I *think* possibly sodium deficiency. or, conversely, not

enough water? <<



Aren't sodium deficiencies kinda rare in the US since the average American

consumes many times more sodium than he needs?



Irwin





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Subject: Re: Foot cramps

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:05:14 -0500

--------

You're right... and honestly I don't even know that that is a symptom of

sodium deficiency. But if there were sudden changes to the diet recently?

Hmm. I should have just said "eat a banana."



Hilary



IrwinGreen <irwingreen@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990516021120.16487.00000993@ng-cn1.aol.com...

| >> Potassium or I *think* possibly sodium deficiency. or, conversely, not

| enough water? <<

|

| Aren't sodium deficiencies kinda rare in the US since the average American

| consumes many times more sodium than he needs?

|

| Irwin









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Subject: Re: Foot cramps

From: "Edward Lau" <emlau@up.net>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:01:02 -0500

--------

Got an aid for big toe gout?

Jozef

Hilary wrote in message <7hmpn6$1gmv@enews1.newsguy.com>...

>You're right... and honestly I don't even know that that is a symptom of

>sodium deficiency. But if there were sudden changes to the diet recently?

>Hmm. I should have just said "eat a banana."

>

>Hilary

>

>IrwinGreen <irwingreen@aol.com> wrote in message

>news:19990516021120.16487.00000993@ng-cn1.aol.com...

>| >> Potassium or I *think* possibly sodium deficiency. or, conversely, not

>| enough water? <<

>|

>| Aren't sodium deficiencies kinda rare in the US since the average

American

>| consumes many times more sodium than he needs?

>|

>| Irwin

>

>









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Subject: Re: Foot cramps

From: "Freebird" <freebird@ticnet.com>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:05:46 -0500

--------

I drink LOTS of water, always have.  I've been prone to foot cramps always,

if I sit funny or get in strange positions, they'll go nuts.  But I've never

had them just start cramping for hours on end.  Where do you get potassium

from in nature?











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Subject: Re: Foot cramps

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:06:27 -0500

--------

Bananas. I had a friend who suffered from the cramps you describe and hers

would ease within 15-20 minutes of eating a banana. She kept banana chips at

work, too.



Hilary



Freebird <freebird@ticnet.com> wrote in message

news:281BE1AA5899201B.94420B95C85675E3.487403493A94B8D2@library-proxy.airnew

s.net...

| I drink LOTS of water, always have.  I've been prone to foot cramps

always,

| if I sit funny or get in strange positions, they'll go nuts.  But I've

never

| had them just start cramping for hours on end.  Where do you get potassium

| from in nature?

|

|

|









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Subject: Re: Foot cramps

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:22:12 -0500

--------

Wow, I didn't know that. So if I let them get really ripe and then make a

bread with 4 or so of them, is that good, or does it bake out?



Hilary



HerbAssist <herbassist@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990516174651.20833.00001478@ng-cf1.aol.com...

| >Bananas. I had a friend who suffered from the cramps you describe and

hers

| >would ease within 15-20 minutes of eating a banana. She kept banana chips

at

| >work, too.

| >

| >Hilary

| >

|

| Just a note. Bananas increase their potasium concentration the riper they

get.

| The potassium is drawn from the peel in to the banana.









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Subject: Re: Foot cramps

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 17 May 1999 05:43:38 GMT

--------

>> So if I let them get really ripe and then make a bread with 4 or so of them,

is that good, or does it bake out? <<



Hilary, as a general rule, raw fruits & vegetables are generally better for us

than cooked ones.



Irwin





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Foot cramps

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 17 May 1999 10:44:33 GMT

--------

>Hilary, as a general rule, raw fruits & vegetables are generally better for

>us

>than cooked ones.

>

>Irwin



What makes you say that Irwin? I've always understood it to be otherwise. 



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Foot cramps

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 18 May 1999 02:48:24 GMT

--------

Hi Belinda,



>> What makes you say that Irwin? I've always understood it to be otherwise. 

<<



Most of the stuff I have read on natural health advocates eating raw fruit and

vegetables every day. Now, this doesn't mean that you can't have "some" items

cooked. But why would you want to when that just leads to 1) unnecessary time

consumed preparing the cooked version along with the clean up chores that come

later, 2) the loss of some vitamins and minerals from the cooking process, 3)

added calories, fat grams and possible cholesterol (depending on the shortening

used, etc.), etc. with the cooked version.



Lets take eating fresh pineapple versus a pineapple upside down cake. The fresh

pineapple has a substance called bromelain in it that can be beneficial to the

sufferers of arthritis. It helps to lessen the pain and discomfort of some

types of arthritis. This benefit from the bromelain is lost in the fruit when

in the cake form.



Just curious Belinda, why would you think cooked fruits and veggies be more

healthy than the uncooked ones?



Irwin Green





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Foot cramps

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 18 May 1999 11:11:07 GMT

--------

Hi Irwin,



>Most of the stuff I have read on natural health advocates eating raw fruit

>and

>vegetables every day. Now, this doesn't mean that you can't have "some" items

>cooked. But why would you want to when that just leads to 1) unnecessary time

>consumed preparing the cooked version along with the clean up chores that

>come

>later, 2) the loss of some vitamins and minerals from the cooking process, 3)

>added calories, fat grams and possible cholesterol (depending on the

>shortening

>used, etc.), etc. with the cooked version.

>

>Lets take eating fresh pineapple versus a pineapple upside down cake. The

>fresh

>pineapple has a substance called bromelain in it that can be beneficial to

>the

>sufferers of arthritis. It helps to lessen the pain and discomfort of some

>types of arthritis. This benefit from the bromelain is lost in the fruit when

>in the cake form.

>

>Just curious Belinda, why would you think cooked fruits and veggies be more

>healthy than the uncooked ones?

>

>Irwin Green



I was hoping  you'd ask. <g> It is my belief that you get more vitamins and

minerals out of your veggies when cooked. We, unlike other animals who eat

greens, have one stomach and don't chew our cud. This means that we should have

our food partly digested before we swallow. Like you say, not all food need be

eaten cooked as there are some things that do not survive heat, your pineapple

example and Vit C for instance. If eating raw greens one needs to be sure to

use plenty of oil on them to hold them in the stomach longer, giving plenty of

time to digest.



Example: Ever see a person drinking lots of carrot juice or eating lots of raw

carrots? Pretty orange? Not digesting all that good stuff so it comes out thru

the skin. You can try to do that with cooked carrots but I doubt you'd get the

same reaction.



When you are ill did mom bring you a raw apple or some applesauce? Which would

be more digestable?



Green Blessings,



Belinda







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Subject: Enuresis

From: "Jim Rodriguez" <jimrodriguez@mediaone.net>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:42:52 -0500

--------

Any herbal remedies for treating enuresis (bed wetting)?









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Subject: Re: Enuresis

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 16 May 1999 06:07:43 GMT

--------

>> Any herbal remedies for treating enuresis (bed wetting)? <<



What age are we talking about? A child? Someone of advanced age? A child's

urinary bladder may be too small to hold enough urine to make it through the

night. You may want to try corn silk, buchu, or parsley. Administer these no

latter than 3:00 PM.



Enuresis may sometimes be caused by food allergies to such items as milk,

chocolate, carbonated beverages, etc. This can sometimes be hard to pin-point.



Supplement the individual with especially the B vitamins and make sure he/she

gets enough protein in the diet. A magnesium supplement may also be helpful. 



There are no guarantees that this will be immediately resolved especially if a

child is involved. Young adults may have a problem with this due to the

consumption of alcohol.



Irwin





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Subject: Bastyr Student's Website!

From: "AkiraKhan" <jamesjeanie@NOSPAMearthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:20:55 -0700

--------

Hi, Im a third year naturopathic med student at Bastyr U. in Seattle WA and

Im putting together a treatment notebook on the web... please check it out

and tell me what you think and also feel free to send me links to your

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Subject: Cellulite

From: "Camille E Kea" <CARBONATED.CHERRY.O@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:24:39 -0700

--------

Okay, I' not sure if this has already been tackled, but I visited my local

drug store the other day in search of that new supposed "cellulite cure all"

Cellusene or however you spell it.  Now, in Los Angeles it costs $26.99 or

so for a quantity of who knows.  According to directions, you take three

pills a day for eight weeks then one pill a day for eight weeks and...you

have smooth thighs?  Worth giving a shot.  And then I saw the product may or

may not contain fish oil which I am knowably allergic to.  I didn't buy it

but am currently massaging daily on mu second bottle of Nivea Skin Firming

Lotion.  Any thoughts?



carbonanatedbabe

carbonated.cherry.o@prodigy.net



P.S. Carbonated beverages in vast amounts cause bloat, add inches, and leave

cellulite in certain folks.









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Subject: Re: Cellulite

From: "Janice F." <janicef@onlink.net>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:47:59 -0500

--------



Hilary <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com> wrote in message

news:7hn1om$l67@enews4.newsguy.com...



Hi!  I've read somewhere that cellulite can be a result of toxins in the

system, so cutting anthing that would contribute and using herbs to detox

may be a place to start (or research this and see what you can find)  Also,

the stimulating action of rubbing in the cream may be doing you some good.

I read something about massaging, washing with a loofah or anything like

that to help with circulation and maybe loosens the fat deposits?  I'm not

100% clear on that, I just remember reading that it is a good idea to

massage or loofah etc problem areas.  And of course exercise, water and

plenty of healthy food.   Hope this helps, Janice









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Subject: Re: Cellulite

From: "Camille E Kea" <CARBONATED.CHERRY.O@prodigy.net>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:45:09 -0700

--------

Thank you.  Actually, I do already use the loofa and mesh sponges to

exfoliate.  To be honest with you, I don't have servere cellulite or even a

moderate case, but I am twennty-two, and my close friends and I are already

on the look out for preventive measures and treatments.  Since graduating

college last year I have changed my eating habits dramatically, particularly

by increasing my meals from one and a snack to either three meals a day or

six small, depending on what I can handle.  Also, my grandmother who is

diabetic lives with me and I prepare low fat, low sugar, low sodium meals

for both she and I becasue it is healthier and because I refuse to cook two

separate meals every night.  I don't do preservatives and I limit corn

syrup, cane sugar, etc.  I also try to live as stress free as possible and

have changed my sleeping habits from the zero to five for a college student

to seven to nine.  I'm just at a different stage in my life now than I was

then and am thirty pounds lighter as a result.



                Camille

carbonated.cherry.o@prodigy.net

http://www.gurlpages.com/poetry/jayeded76/.index.html









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Subject: Stinging nettle - need help please

From: lweber@wcl.on.ca

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 05:33:58 GMT

--------

I would like to grow some stinging nettle for tea.  I have some wild

plants coming up in my garden and am wondering if they are safe to use

or are there only specific kinds that are safe for tea.  I touched the

plant and got stung so I assume it's stinging nettle.

Thanks

Lori





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Subject: Re: Stinging nettle - need help please

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 16 May 1999 11:06:14 GMT

--------

>I would like to grow some stinging nettle for tea.  I have some wild

>plants coming up in my garden and am wondering if they are safe to use

>or are there only specific kinds that are safe for tea.  I touched the

>plant and got stung so I assume it's stinging nettle.

>Thanks

>Lori



If you ended up with that wonderful nettle tingle then you probably have the

correct plant. Harvest it now, hang it to dry and make tea/infusion later. If

you don't cut all the way to the ground the nettle will continue to grow in its

effort to produce seed so you will be able to harvest more later.



Green Blessings,



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Stinging nettle - need help please

From: lweber@wcl.on.ca

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:09:45 GMT

--------

I'm in zone 5 and actually it is just out of the ground in a pathway

so I will have to transplant it. There is nothing to harvest yet so

will it grow into a large plant this year?   It must have reseeded

itself.  And yes,  I ended up with the "burn".  Calling it a burn

instead of a "wonderful tingle"-------does that still make me a true

gardener?  :-)



Lori



On 16 May 1999 11:06:14 GMT, bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs) wrote:



>>I would like to grow some stinging nettle for tea.  I have some wild

>>plants coming up in my garden and am wondering if they are safe to use

>>or are there only specific kinds that are safe for tea.  I touched the

>>plant and got stung so I assume it's stinging nettle.

>>Thanks

>>Lori

>

>If you ended up with that wonderful nettle tingle then you probably have the

>correct plant. Harvest it now, hang it to dry and make tea/infusion later. If

>you don't cut all the way to the ground the nettle will continue to grow in its

>effort to produce seed so you will be able to harvest more later.

>

>Green Blessings,

>

>Belinda







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Subject: Re: Stinging nettle - need help please

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 17 May 1999 00:23:30 GMT

--------

>I'm in zone 5 and actually it is just out of the ground in a pathway

>so I will have to transplant it. There is nothing to harvest yet so

>will it grow into a large plant this year?   It must have reseeded

>itself.  And yes,  I ended up with the "burn".  Calling it a burn

>instead of a "wonderful tingle"-------does that still make me a true

>gardener?  :-)

>

>Lori



Hehe I spent a few years trying to "move" some nettle. You might save yourself

some trouble and just move the path. Nettle will grow to a glorious height,

5'-6' tall even. 



Enjoy,



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Stinging nettle - need help please

From: "Karen" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:01:04 -0500

--------

Rub on Jewel weed to ease the burn. Works for those little spines on okra

too.

Karen Shelton

AltNature Online Herbal and Photo Gallery

http://www.altnature.com



And yes,  I ended up with the "burn".  Calling it a burn

>>instead of a "wonderful tingle"-------does that still make me a true

>>gardener?  :-)

>>











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Subject: Re: Stinging nettle - need help please

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:59:07 -0700

--------

Sounds like the nettles found you.  Wear gloves when you pick them so you

don't get stung. pick them now and dry for tea later in the year.





Ingrid









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Subject: lemon grass

From: "Ken Pope" <kcpope@iafrica.com>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:02:56 +0200

--------

anyone tell me if lemon grass likes to be planted in partial shade or full

sunlight?

thanks









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Subject: Re: lemon grass

From: juniper@home.com

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:03:44 GMT

--------

I've only ever planted lemon grass in full sun. Grows beautifully.

It's pretty tender though. Had some in the garden last fall and

didn't pot up and one day of hard frost killed it. So always

pot up some in the fall and more indoors for next spring's planting.





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Subject: Re: lemon grass

From: suemilham@aol.com (Sue milham)

Date: 25 May 1999 20:13:44 GMT

--------

Where do you get seed?  Have you ever heard of it used to repel mosquitos?



Thanks,



> juniper@home.com

>Date: Mon, May 17, 1999 4:03 PM



>I've only ever planted lemon grass in full sun. Grows beautifully.

>It's pretty tender though. Had some in the garden last fall and

>didn't pot up and one day of hard frost killed it. So always

>pot up some in the fall and more indoors for next spring's planting.





Sue M.





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Subject: Re: lemon grass

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:07:24 GMT

--------

Sue, I've never seen it sold as seed.  You can buy plants from

www.richters.com. Down here in N. Central Florida, all the retail plant

nurseries carry it in the spring.  It's relatively easy to grow once

established (read: hard to kill, unless the ground actually freezes).  I

just moved last month to a new place and had to leave behind a patch that

was too big to dig out - several feet across - that started out as a 3" pot

3 years ago.  'Can't wait to start another one - it's really wonderful

stuff.  I love just walking by the plants, pulling off a long blade or two

and crumpling them under my nose.  A friend of mine whose parents emigrated

from Vietnam told me her mother always uses it as a tea for any fevers.

Like many lemon-scented plants, it is also reputed to help repel mosquitoes,

so I will be planting some more near the doors of my new house soon.



-Rich



Sue milham <suemilham@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990525161344.01640.00005983@ng-cg1.aol.com...

> Where do you get seed?  Have you ever heard of it used to repel mosquitos?

>

> Thanks,

>

> > juniper@home.com

> >Date: Mon, May 17, 1999 4:03 PM

>

> >I've only ever planted lemon grass in full sun. Grows beautifully.

> >It's pretty tender though. Had some in the garden last fall and

> >didn't pot up and one day of hard frost killed it. So always

> >pot up some in the fall and more indoors for next spring's planting.

>

>

> Sue M.









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Subject: Re: lemon grass

From: "Polkinghorne" <polkyfam@inreach.com>

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:58:54 -0700

--------

In Northern Calif. you can almost always count on there being a family from

Southeast Asia selling lemongrass at our local farmers markets - for tea and

cooking - and yes..anything citrusy will repel mosquitoes.

Dina



Sue milham <suemilham@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990525161344.01640.00005983@ng-cg1.aol.com...



> Where do you get seed?  Have you ever heard of it used to repel mosquitos?

>

> Thanks,

>

> > juniper@home.com

> >Date: Mon, May 17, 1999 4:03 PM

>

> >I've only ever planted lemon grass in full sun. Grows beautifully.

> >It's pretty tender though. Had some in the garden last fall and

> >didn't pot up and one day of hard frost killed it. So always

> >pot up some in the fall and more indoors for next spring's planting.

>

>

> Sue M.









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Subject: hi..can any one suggest any herbs for weight loss

From: quartz32@hotmail.com (r f)

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 05:48:32 -0800

--------

any idears any one ?







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Subject: Re: hi..can any one suggest any herbs for weight loss

From: loralsl2@aol.com (Loralsl2)

Date: 27 May 1999 02:18:42 GMT

--------

Well, that first depends on your body type. You can basically tell which gland

has to do with your weight problem by your body type. 



I would suggest a good cleansing then building up with a real good vitamin

supplement and also feeding the glandular system.  Loralsl2@aol.com





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Subject: Re: Re: hi..can any one suggest any herbs for weight loss

From: "Monica Toops" <monica@shellworks.com>

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 01:54:20 -0700

--------

I suggest that if you take herbs for the purpose of weight loss, you should

look at ones that have protein, and suppliment the nutrition you should be

getting a day.  Anything that promises weight loss without effort is bound

to have negitive side effects.  Not too much inside herbal information, but

I believe it should be said.  Way too many people fall victim to the diet

pill routine and end up in worse shape than they started.





ssturges@ebaytech.com wrote in message ...

>I strongly suggest against any product containing ephedra or ma huang.

Though effective for weight loss the possible side effects are toooo

detrimental (e.g., depression, suicide, heart attack, stroke).

>

>

>----------------------------------------

>Well, that first depends on your body type. You can basically tell which

gland

>has to do with your

>









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Subject: AriZona Green Tea?

From: "John Lane" <jlane-dab@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:23:27 -0400

--------

Anyone else tried ready -to -drink AriZona

Green Tea with ginseng and honey?

It is packaged in a paper 1/2 gal

container,  like milk .  All I know is that It tastes OK.











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Subject: Re: AriZona Green Tea?

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:56:14 -0700

--------

I would nopt expect any health benefits but if you enjoy the tase then drink

it!









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Subject: Re: AriZona Green Tea?

From: "Camille E Kea" <CARBONATED.CHERRY.O@prodigy.net>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:48:18 -0700

--------

Okay, I admit I indulge in the Arizona frenzy.  It floats my boat.  I like

both their green tea and  the one with wild plum something or other.  If you

all want a prepared tea without corn syrup, try Tazo.  Find them at

http://www.tazo.com



carbonatedbabe

carbonated.cherry.o@prodigy.net









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Subject: high blood pressure

From: "marcus" <sales@tdinfo.com>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:22:30 +0800

--------

how to lower/avoid high blood pressure?









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Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: "AkiraKhan" <uranusaspect@NOSPAM.hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 23:34:46 -0700

--------



marcus <sales@tdinfo.com> wrote in message

news:7hmqel$la3@news.hk.linkage.net...

> how to lower/avoid high blood pressure?

>

>

Marc there are lots of herbal alternatives to dealing with hypertension but

first you should really get evaluated to find out the real cause of it... if

you just treat the symptoms you might be ok for a while, but later on down

the road the cause of the high bp is gonna lead to other problems... this of

course means some lifestyle changes:  diet/exercise/stress patterns -if all

this is addressed then herbal support will help but if not it will just be a

bandaid for a bit then it wont work anymore.

there, was that preachy enough?

James











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Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: "e.t." <e.thielmann@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:05:48 -0400

--------

Preachy?  Not hardly!  Excellent advice!  I noticed a reduction in bp with

CoQ10 and SJW.  CoQ10 is used as treatment for heart ailments, and SJW

provides a pleasant and calming outlook on your surroundings.  Kava

certainly could also be considered.



Now...things to stay away from...Gotu Kola, Rosemary; seriously evaluate any

product that is to provide energy.  I'm not saying they're all no good, but

they should be researched first.  Many herbal info books will cite instances

of use/do not use info.



Belinda and Ingrid...If you are reading this, your valued expertise would be

treasured here!

AkiraKhan <uranusaspect@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:7hoddb$t1$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net...

>

> marcus <sales@tdinfo.com> wrote in message

> news:7hmqel$la3@news.hk.linkage.net...

> > how to lower/avoid high blood pressure?

> >

> >

> Marc there are lots of herbal alternatives to dealing with hypertension

but

> first you should really get evaluated to find out the real cause of it...

if

> you just treat the symptoms you might be ok for a while, but later on down

> the road the cause of the high bp is gonna lead to other problems... this

of

> course means some lifestyle changes:  diet/exercise/stress patterns -if

all

> this is addressed then herbal support will help but if not it will just be

a

> bandaid for a bit then it wont work anymore.

> there, was that preachy enough?

> James

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:40:43 -0700

--------

Here's a formula you could try. Take a one ounce bottle and fill with 1/2 oz

each hawthorne tincture and dandelion tincture (whole plant) then add

cayenne tincture to fill the bottle.  Take a dropperful 3 times a day.

Also add fresh garlic to the diet.   Eat lots of vegetables. grains, fruits,

avoid red meat and salt./processed foods. Try to get some exercise - walking

is good and nonstressful.  Avoid alcohol (as a beverage, don't get stressed

that the tincure has a few drops).



Hawthorne is a known cardiotonic herb that supports cardiac function and can

help to reduce blood pressure.  Dandelion leaf is a diuretic which helps

blood pressure and by using the whole plant you get the liver benefits as

well.   The cayenne helps the herbs work better.



I would recheck B/P in 2 weeks and again at 4 weeks.  You want B/P under

140/90.



Green Blessings,

Ingrid









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Subject: Re: Comfrey salve recipe?

From: hrbmoore@primenet.com (Michael Moore)

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:47:32 -0700

--------

In article <373eea55.7449025@news.atl.bellsouth.net>, herblady@newsguy.com

(Rastapoodle) wrote:



> Anybody got one? Gracias.



Although this is for Echinacea Flowers, just substitute Comfrey leaf (not root).



ECHINACEA SALVE

  Echinacea Purpurea Flowerheads  5 ounces

  Alcohol                         3 ounces

  Olive Oil                      35 ounces

  Beeswax                         7 ounces



Grind and sift the Echinacea Flowers (roots will not work).  Mix the alcohol

with the flowers in a stainless steel bowl with a lid, cover and let stand for

at least 2-3 hours.  Blend the moistened herb with the olive oil in a hearty

blender (an Oster at high speed or a Vitamix at slow speed) until the sides of

the container get warm.  Filter through muslin, squeezing the marc as well as

possible, and heat the oil slowly in the top of a double boiler.  Chop and add

the beeswax, continuing the low heat until the beeswax has melted.  Pour into

containers.



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@primenet.com)



http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

teaching and clinical manuals, over 1,600 medicinal plant 

images and manuals and texts for the serious herbalist.





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Subject: allergies

From: "Ron & Rhonda Brand" <rbrand@mtayr.heartland.net>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:58:16 -0500

--------

My husband suffers from hay fever, and would like some herbs that could

help.

Thanks in advance

Rhonda









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Subject: Re: allergies

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:42:28 -0700

--------





Ron & Rhonda Brand wrote:



> My husband suffers from hay fever, and would like some herbs that could

> help.

> Thanks in advance

> Rhonda



It has been my experience that chronic hay fever is best addressed by

creating a tonic formula based on a persons constitutional patterns.  As

this can be different for people suffering from similar conditions (in this

case hay fever), I recomend visiting an herbalist.  Such an aproach can

often times address the underlying metabolic pattern that suorts the

symptomatic expression, and thus bring about lasting change without

continual use of herbs.  If you need help locating an herbalist, e-mail me

your location and I will look into finding one in your area.  With that

said, I have found a decoction of mormon tea (Ephedera viridis or Ephedera

nevadadensis... not the chinese ephedera), tincture of Ambrosia specise,

or/and fresh freeze dried capsules of nettle to be effective in acute

attacks... j o  s    h







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Subject: Re: allergies

From: "robyn james" <robyn@hnhc.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:56:24 +0100

--------

How do you make fresh freeze dried capsules of nettle? Sounds lovely, but I

can't quite imagine how to do it. Is it possible without setting up an

enormous manufacturing plant?



Joshua Muscat wrote in message <373FC864.ADF38367@sprynet.com>...

>It has been my experience that chronic hay fever is best addressed by

>creating a tonic formula based on a persons constitutional patterns.  As

>this can be different for people suffering from similar conditions (in this

>case hay fever), I recomend visiting an herbalist.  Such an aproach can

>often times address the underlying metabolic pattern that suorts the

>symptomatic expression, and thus bring about lasting change without

>continual use of herbs.  If you need help locating an herbalist, e-mail me

>your location and I will look into finding one in your area.  With that

>said, I have found a decoction of mormon tea (Ephedera viridis or Ephedera

>nevadadensis... not the chinese ephedera), tincture of Ambrosia specise,

>or/and fresh freeze dried capsules of nettle to be effective in acute

>attacks... j o  s    h

>









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Subject: Re: allergies

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:27:17 -0700

--------





robyn james wrote:



> How do you make fresh freeze dried capsules of nettle? Sounds lovely, but I

> can't quite imagine how to do it. Is it possible without setting up an

> enormous manufacturing plant?



I buy them from ecclectic institute.  I am not usually a big fan of herbal

capsules, but I have seen these work fairly consistently (very consistently for

some people, though I have not been able to figure out who it works best for)...

j o  s    h







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: allergies

From: Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:45:26 GMT

--------

In article <373FC864.ADF38367@sprynet.com>,

  skullcap@m2.sprynet.com wrote:

>

>

> Ron & Rhonda Brand wrote:

>

> > My husband suffers from hay fever, and would like some herbs that

could

> > help.

> > Thanks in advance

> > Rhonda

>

> It has been my experience that chronic hay fever is best addressed by

> creating a tonic formula based on a persons constitutional patterns.

As

> this can be different for people suffering from similar conditions (in

this

> case hay fever), I recomend visiting an herbalist.  Such an aproach

can

> often times address the underlying metabolic pattern that suorts the

> symptomatic expression, and thus bring about lasting change without

> continual use of herbs.  If you need help locating an herbalist,

e-mail me

> your location and I will look into finding one in your area.  With

that

> said, I have found a decoction of mormon tea (Ephedera viridis or

Ephedera

> nevadadensis... not the chinese ephedera), tincture of Ambrosia

specise,

> or/and fresh freeze dried capsules of nettle to be effective in acute

> attacks... j o  s    h

>



I agree with Josh regarding the need for a personal solution.  I take a

tonic year-long with Nettles, Red Clover, Astragalus, and Dandelion.

During attack periods I take a specific for whatever symptom has

developed.  For a sinus buildup, I've found 4  capsules of Ginkgo Biloba

and 3 capsules of garlic and capsicum immediately stops the sinus

problem.  IN seconds.



But that's me.

-- gem





>





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Subject: Ritalin

From: "Karen" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:06:22 -0500

--------

I am a 34 year old woman who took Ritalin from 1994 to 1997.  The effect was

that it enhances my alertness but was somewhat calming to the thought

process; therefor enhancing concentration ability. My reason for

discontinuing use is that I do not think that taking an amphetamine for

years on end is a good idea.



Karen Shelton

AltNature Online Herbal and Photo Gallery

http://www.altnature.com









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Subject: Re: Ritalin

From: *star* <starsshine@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 23:09:39 GMT

--------

In article <373f4178.0@news.isdn.net>,

  "Karen" <nature@ficom.net> wrote:

> I am a 34 year old woman who took Ritalin from 1994 to 1997.  The

effect was

> that it enhances my alertness but was somewhat calming to the thought

> process; therefor enhancing concentration ability. My reason for

> discontinuing use is that I do not think that taking an amphetamine

for

> years on end is a good idea.



I find it sad that you were on Ritalin for that long and didn't even

know what you were taking.



*star*



Disclaimer:  This post is not a flame.  Any resemblance to any flames,

living or dead, is purely coincidental.  No flames were harmed in the

making of this post.  Use only as directed.  Have a nice day.





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Subject: Re: Ritalin

From: rlb@intrinsix.ca (Lee)

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:03:54 -0500

--------

In article <373f4178.0@news.isdn.net>,

"Karen" <nature@ficom.net> wrote:



>I am a 34 year old woman who took Ritalin from 1994 to 1997.  The effect was

>that it enhances my alertness but was somewhat calming to the thought

>process; therefor enhancing concentration ability. My reason for

>discontinuing use is that I do not think that taking an amphetamine for

>years on end is a good idea.



Did you have any reason to think this, or did the idea just pop into your

head?



Lee









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Subject: Re: Ritalin

From: Anna Hayward <Anna@ratbag.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:24:49 +0100

--------

>I am a 34 year old woman who took Ritalin from 1994 to 1997.  The effect was

>that it enhances my alertness but was somewhat calming to the thought

>process; therefor enhancing concentration ability. My reason for

>discontinuing use is that I do not think that taking an amphetamine for

>years on end is a good idea.



Then you'll be relieved to learn that Ritalin is not an amphetamine.

-- 

Anna Hayward





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ritalin

From: Kristen <kks@postnet.com>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:21:07 GMT

--------

Let me try and explain to you why (IMO)the newsgroup is so quick to

attack those who wander in with herbal remedies and such. Hopefully,

this will clear it up and at least temporarily end the rumor that we

*monsters* on the ADD support newsgroup are just waiting for an

unsuspecting victim to happen by so we can ambush.



All of us either have a child with ADD/ADHD or have it ourselves.

We have grown up being misunderstood, falling through the cracks in the

educational system, being called stupid, being called lazy, watching

relationships crumble under the weight of it all, feeling like socially

retarded mistfits.  ADD is incurable, and finding a way to cope with it

is the only relief one can hope for.  Half the world has never even

heard of it, and the other half thinks it's a bogus disorder created for

people to fall back on when they can't hack real life.



Ritalin is widely regarded as the legal equivalent to speed, and

admittedly will have a similar effect as speed would on a person

without ADD/ADHD.  Defending the medicinal use of a drug from this

category to someone who has decided (thanks to an antiquated stigma left

over from the 80s' rebound anti-drug alarmism) that Ritalin is no better

or safer than crystal meth or cocaine is virtually impossible. Drugs are

responsible for a lot of harm, as well as a lot of good, and people see

what they choose to see.  But we still have a responsibility to try to

stamp out the myths and replace them with facts.  And yes, beating your

head against a brick wall wears you down after awhile.  It makes for

a volatile group of individuals.



What's ironic is that most folks with ADD/ADHD don't particularly enjoy

taking their medicine.  Nor do parents enjoy giving it to their

children.  If my kid needed glasses at 4 yrs. old, I'd get them so she

could see -- I wouldn't put a poultice of hyssop and wild strawberry

leaves on her eyes and expect her not to get hit by a car crossing the

street just because it's a natural remedy instead of one made in a lab.

It's a pain in the ass to take meds, truthfully.  If there was an herbal

remedy for ADD as staggeringly effective as Adderall or Ritalin, I'd

take it.  I would love to avoid the hassle, expense, and, yes,

*occasional side effects* of these medications.  Unfortunately, herbal

remedies have not worked for the vast majority of those with even

moderate cases of ADD, and so most of us look askance at anyone who

suggests them as a treatment. The fact that nobody seems to

HEAR us when we say that herbal remedies are not an appropriate

treatment is simply irritating.



So here it is, in black and white.  (I do not claim to speak for the

entire newsgroup, although most would probably agree):



HERBAL REMEDIES DO NOT HELP THE SYMPTOMS OF ADD/ADHD.  HERBAL REMEDIES

DO NOT CURE ADD/ADHD.  HERBAL REMEDIES AND ADD/ADHD HAVE NOTHING TO DO

WITH ONE ANOTHER. IF HERBAL REMEDIES HELP YOUR ADD/ADHD, THEN YOU WERE

INCORRECTLY DIAGNOSED.



Mostly, I have grown weary of hearing unfounded and absolutely

incorrect statements regarding the medication I take to function.

It is tiresome to defend something that there

should be no need to defend.  Would you suggest that an epileptic

control his seizures with chamomile tea?  Why is the medication that is

recognized worldwide as the only effective treatment for the symptoms of

ADD/ADHD constantly doubted and scrutinized? In my eyes, it's that

stigma at work again, causing people to leap to conclusions and

pointlessly look for alternatives.



 Why try to improve upon something that already works well? Who here

ASKED for the onslaught of herbal information?  What's more, why should

we tolerate the suggestion that we are so naive or uneducated or obtuse

that we would give our children (or ourselves) something harmful or even

of questionable medicinal value? No more is known about the long-term

effects of toilet paper upon your arse than is known about Ritalin's or

aspirin's effects, for that matter.  It works, and if I end up dying at

65 with some Adderall-induced illness, at least I didn't live those 65

years in a fog. It's better than living to be an addle-brained,

frustrated hundred-year-old whose body is pure and free from any

chemical substance.



Every time someone strolls into this NG with an "herbal alternative"

that "really worked for my Aunt Gloria's second husband's nephew's best

friend's mother's gynecologist's kid" the whole thing flares up -- we

"verbally assault" and "abuse" those who may innocently propose the

effectiveness of herbal remedies because they usually pop up after some

spam avalanche has pissed everyone off, and that starry-eyed wonderment

of *all things Mother Nature has to offer* is just enough to push a lot

of us over the edge of "pissed" and right into "put up your dukes,

hippy."  If I came over to the alt.herbal.whatever newsgroup to laud the

praises of pharmaceutical drugs, do you honestly expect that I'd get a

warm reception?  You are greeted with hostility because ignorance (even

"innocent mistakes," such as a misquote from the PDR) is of direct harm

to all of us.  It perpetuates and feeds more ignorance; it spreads like

the plague, and we end up working our asses off to undo the damage. And

I work hard enough without having to contend with that! So, yes, by all

means, shout your faith in herbal alternatives from the rooftops -- but

not here, not to us.



kristen



In article <7hp0qf$afe$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,

  Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

>

>

> In article <19990517034019.22557.00001338@ng-cj1.aol.com>,

>   herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist) wrote:

> > >> >I am a 34 year old woman who took Ritalin from 1994 to 1997.

The

> > >effect was

> > >> >that it enhances my alertness but was somewhat calming to the

> thought

> > >> >process; therefor enhancing concentration ability. My reason for

> > >> >discontinuing use is that I do not think that taking an

> amphetamine

> > >for

> > >> >years on end is a good idea.

> > >>

> > >> Did you have any reason to think this, or did the idea just pop

> into

> > >your

> > >> head?

> > >

> > >I'd say that the only thing that pops into her head is a lot of

air.

> > >

> > >*star*

> >

> > Why all the attacks on Karen? She mistook Ritalin a mild CNS

stimulant

> for an

> > amphetamine, a stronger CNS stimulant. Is that a reason for these

> unwarranted

> > attacks? It's no wonder so many people are afraid to post here. As

one

> lady put

> > it who wrote to me directly, she was afraid of being "raked over the

> coals" if

> > she asked her question.

> > And where is Ma Pickle to complain about this thread since Ritalin

is

> not an

> > herb? I guess it is alright to be offf topic if we are discussing

> > pharmaceuticals or goats, just not other alternatives like colloidal

> silver.

>

> This thread is getting cross-posted to the alt.support.att-deficit ng.

> Some of the people in that group are responding with personal attacks

to

> anyone who suggests there are herbal alternative treatments for ADD.

> The only way I know of to prevent the posts here from cross-posting

over

> there would be to start a new topic on herbal treatments that is not

> cross-posted, so I would suggest if anyone wants to continue this

> discussion we start a new topic headline.  I've been told my posts

> aren't welcome there, and I don't want to intrude in a newsgroup where

> the etiquette allows personal attacks.

>

> >

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From: zulabean@my-dejanews.com

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:00:16 GMT

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> What's ironic is that most folks with ADD/ADHD don't particularly

enjoy

> taking their medicine.  Nor do parents enjoy giving it to their

> children.  If my kid needed glasses at 4 yrs. old, I'd get them so she

> could see -- I wouldn't put a poultice of hyssop and wild strawberry

> leaves on her eyes and expect her not to get hit by a car crossing the

> street just because it's a natural remedy instead of one made in a

lab.



(snicker) How would you anchor that to her head, anyway?



> It's a pain in the ass to take meds, truthfully.  If there was an

herbal

> remedy for ADD as staggeringly effective as Adderall or Ritalin, I'd

> take it.  I would love to avoid the hassle, expense, and, yes,

> *occasional side effects* of these medications.  Unfortunately, herbal

> remedies have not worked for the vast majority of those with even

> moderate cases of ADD, and so most of us look askance at anyone who

> suggests them as a treatment. The fact that nobody seems to

> HEAR us when we say that herbal remedies are not an appropriate

> treatment is simply irritating.

>

The first thing my brother said when I told him I was going on Ritalin

was "That's like cocaine!" In the meantime, he's on Wellbutrin to help

quit smoking (it became treatment for his AD/HD only after I pointed out

that Wellbutrin is used in treating it, of course. On another note, why

aren't smokers harassed with taking drugs to quit their habits?)



Anyway, I know I for one was not thrilled with knowing that I would be

taking medication for the rest of my life, but I'll tell you what: I

will NEVER go back to life without it. Also, I tried St. John's Wort

before I go the official Dx. Guess what...!?





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From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 17 May 1999 22:54:35 GMT

--------

>So, yes, by all

>means, shout your faith in herbal alternatives from the rooftops -- but

>not here, not to us.



Hi Kristen,



I agree with what you said as far as not posting on your NG about herbal

alternatives. If people are interested in herbal alternatives then they can

come over here so you are not disturbed. On the opther hand if we are not aware

that these threads are being cross posted then your attacks are unwarranted.

Why don't you try politely infoming people that there threads are being cross

posted?

As far as your statement that herbs cannot help with ADD, I have to disagree

with you. I have seen children benefit from adaptogenic herbs, and supplements

like L-glutamine. Nothing is going to work in every case, but they are at least

woth trying if parents do not want to keep their children on stimulants.





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Subject: Re: Ritalin

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:15:26 -0700

--------

> All of us either have a child with ADD/ADHD or have it ourselves.

> We have grown up being misunderstood, falling through the cracks in the

> educational system, being called stupid, being called lazy, watching

> relationships crumble under the weight of it all, feeling like socially

> retarded mistfits.  ADD is incurable, and finding a way to cope with it

> is the only relief one can hope for.  Half the world has never even

> heard of it, and the other half thinks it's a bogus disorder created for

> people to fall back on when they can't hack real life.



On the other hand one might view it as an appropriate response to living in

a society that only accounts for a set way of being, and not fitting in with

that way.  I have three cousins who were considered to have ADD when they

were children (three brothers they are).  They were given ritalin, this did

not help matters.  In any case they have all grown and found lifestyle

niches that allow them to function happily.  I think the problem comes in

when we try to fit people with ADD into the mold of our society.  I fully

understand why many children and adults would have trouble focusing on the

things they are presented with.  Perhaps people with ADD are just smarter

than the rest of us, and are completely unable to find any reason to go

along with the shit.  Sure, this makes life difficult for one who needs to

earn money for things like food, but perhaps in other cultures there has

been an acceptable role for people with such dispositions.  It is a

significant fact that the US is the only nation that even recognizes it as a

problem (as far as I know).  One must ask... What is different about us?



>

>

> Ritalin is widely regarded as the legal equivalent to speed, and

> admittedly will have a similar effect as speed would on a person

> without ADD/ADHD.  Defending the medicinal use of a drug from this

> category to someone who has decided (thanks to an antiquated stigma left

> over from the 80s' rebound anti-drug alarmism) that Ritalin is no better

> or safer than crystal meth or cocaine is virtually impossible.



I agree.  I do however hate the nit picking about technical chemical

classifications.  Let's call it what it is... speed (not literally, but in

effect).



>

>

>  If my kid needed glasses at 4 yrs. old, I'd get them so she

> could see -- I wouldn't put a poultice of hyssop and wild strawberry

> leaves on her eyes and expect her not to get hit by a car crossing the

> street just because it's a natural remedy instead of one made in a lab.



That is plainly a remark derived from ignorance.  While there are those who

would tout herbs as being a viable alternative to any medical problem, most

herbalists (defined as health care practitioners who use primarily botanical

therapeutic agents) know their limits.  I have not worked herbaly with any

people with ADD, but it seems like the kind of thing that herbs would be

good for.  This is assuming that the herbs are chosen with skill, based upon

the persons constitutional uniqueness.  By this I mean that choosing herbs

for such a person is not a matter of saying....  'take valerian because it

is calming'... but rather to choose herbs that will subtlely adjust how a

person works metabolically in the hope of bringing about a state of more

efficient functionality.  This requires careful assessment of the persons

needs by a practitioner.  Each case is different (even with disorders that

carry the same name).  It is how the disorder manifest in an individual that

is the key to determining right action.  Right action does not always mean

using herbs either, sometimes it can also mean giving over to acceptance (or

not).





>

> It's a pain in the ass to take meds, truthfully.  If there was an herbal

> remedy for ADD as staggeringly effective as Adderall or Ritalin, I'd

> take it.  I would love to avoid the hassle, expense, and, yes,

> *occasional side effects* of these medications.  Unfortunately, herbal

> remedies have not worked for the vast majority of those with even

> moderate cases of ADD, and so most of us look askance at anyone who

> suggests them as a treatment. The fact that nobody seems to

> HEAR us when we say that herbal remedies are not an appropriate

> treatment is simply irritating.



As I mentioned above, there is no herbal remedy for ADD, there are

formulations that address individual needs.  There is not ever going to be

one herb that works for all people with conditions that fall under the same

name heading, so in a sense you are right that there is no herbal treatment

for ADD.  I do know people who have worked with it successfully though by

approaching people rather than disease names.



>

>

>

> HERBAL REMEDIES DO NOT HELP THE SYMPTOMS OF ADD/ADHD.  HERBAL REMEDIES

> DO NOT CURE ADD/ADHD.  HERBAL REMEDIES AND ADD/ADHD HAVE NOTHING TO DO

> WITH ONE ANOTHER. IF HERBAL REMEDIES HELP YOUR ADD/ADHD, THEN YOU WERE

> INCORRECTLY DIAGNOSED.



You obviously have limited knowledge in the area of herbal medicine.  I

would suggest that you save such strong opinions for topics upon which you

are knowledgeable.



>

>  Would you suggest that an epileptic

> control his seizures with chamomile tea?



Actually yes... amongst other things.



>  Why is the medication that is

> recognized worldwide as the only effective treatment for the symptoms of

> ADD/ADHD constantly doubted and scrutinized? In my eyes, it's that

> stigma at work again, causing people to leap to conclusions and

> pointlessly look for alternatives.



Because in the long run it is basically speed.  I would not like to take it

long term.  If there is another way to do it then why not?



>

>

>

>

> Every time someone strolls into this NG with an "herbal alternative"

> that "really worked for my Aunt Gloria's second husband's nephew's best

> friend's mother's gynecologist's kid" the whole thing flares up -- we

> "verbally assault" and "abuse" those who may innocently propose the

> effectiveness of herbal remedies because they usually pop up after some

> spam avalanche has pissed everyone off, and that starry-eyed wonderment

> of *all things Mother Nature has to offer* is just enough to push a lot

> of us over the edge of "pissed" and right into "put up your dukes,

> hippy."



The very same thing angers me about some herb enthusiasts.  Many people

bandy about info recklessly.  Not all that is natural is good for us, and

what worked for Aunt Gloria won't necessarily work for others.  This does

not mean all herbal medicine is bunk.  There are some of us trying to do it

responsibly.  I suggest that if you really want to see what herbal medicine

has to offer then seek out just such a person. Best wishes... j o  s    h

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Subject: Re: Ritalin

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 19 May 1999 18:36:09 GMT

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>That being said, I must still take issue with your statement that herbs

>are a good alternative for "parents who do not want to keep their

>children on stimulants" -- the fact is that the parents aren't the

>issue, and stimulants are more effective than herbs in treating

>ADD/ADHD, bottom line.  It is the responsibility of the parent of an

>ADD/ADHD child to make certain that child is receiving the treatment

>that works the best -- and I have yet to hear a valid source state that

>herbal remedies are more effective than stimulants in this area.

>



As I said before, nothing is going to work the same with everyone. On the other

hand some parents have found natural remedies worked very well for their

children with this condition.



>Setting aside your own biases may be a difficult thing,



As we are finding with your statements.



>but when a child

>is unable to choose for himself, it's wrong to expect him to bear the

>weight or suffer the consequences of your personal politics. 



I do not believe in running to drugs as a first line defense for ailment. We

should be teaching our kids that there can be alternatives to drugs for

problems. I think this attitude of a drug for every problem has a lot to do

with the drug problem in America. We basically teach our kids to take a drug

for every problem. So as they grow up they learn to use drugs for social

problems as well. Personally I feel this is extremely unfair to the child since

parents help mold the child's personality. Though as the child grows up, it is

the child that pays the real price.



>When that

>child is old enough to make the decision for himself, the option of a

>less effective treatment is there to do with as he pleases.



See my last statement. Also keep in mind what other long term damage may have

occured in the meantime. For instance stimulants can adversely affect the

adrenal glands leading to a whole host of problems.



> This isn't a matter of deciding whether your child should attend

>Catholic mass with his grandma Judy or the Lutheran service with his

>Grandma Joan on Sunday morning -- it's a matter of giving that child the

>optimal tool(s) to aid him in the pivotal formative years, regardless of

>whether or not YOU would chose the same for yourself as an adult.

>



Again read my statement about teaching kids to use drugs.



>Vegan (lacto-ovo free vegetarian) mothers are frequntly urged to

>incorporate some dairy, and even meat products into their diets if the

>doctor feels the developing baby is not getting the proper nutrients

>from the mother's usual diet.  This may be a horrifying thought to

>someone who has chosen to eliminate animal products of any kind from

>their diet -- but even more horrifying is a mother who opts for the

>"second-best" treatment for her child in order to uphold her own ideals.

>



And maybe Ritalin is the second best treatment. Other parents found adaptogens

and L-glutamine to be the best choice. It does not sound to me like you gave

alternatives a fair chance because of your strongly held biases. Then again

maybe alternatives would not work for your child. But without trying you will

never know. If you want to have a child on stimulants until he is old enough to

decide for himself then there is nothing I can do to change that. On the other

hand parents should have, and do, have the right to choose what they feel is

best for their child. We will not always make the best decision, but we need

todo what we feel is best. You feel Ritlin is the best choice, I feel it should

be a last resort. As I said we have to go with what we feel is best for the

child.

One final note. Ritalin is a stimulant, and epinephrine is a stimulant. The

difference is the latter is produced by the body. Adaptogens strengthen the

adrenal glands, which produce epinephrine, allowing proper levels of

epinephrine to be produced. So maybe adaptogens are a good, and safe,

substitute for Ritalin. If this worked for your child, as it has with others,

the underlying problem would be corrected without the side effects of Ritalin.





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Subject: Re: Ritalin

From: Kristen <kks@postnet.com>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:08:45 GMT

--------



> As I said before, nothing is going to work the same with everyone. On

> the other

> hand some parents have found natural remedies worked very well for

> their

> children with this condition.



Some, as in four?  Can you be more specific?



> I do not believe in running to drugs as a first line defense for

> ailment.



Nor do I.



> We should be teaching our kids that there can be alternatives to drugs

> for problems. I think this attitude of a drug for every problem has a

> lot to do

> with the drug problem in America. We basically teach our kids to take

> a drug

> for every problem.

> So as they grow up they learn to use drugs for

> social

> problems as well. Personally I feel this is extremely unfair to the

> child since

> parents help mold the child's personality.



I would never deign to "mold" my child's personality, and I would hope

that you wouldn't, either.



Let me clarify something.  I do not have a child with ADD; I have it

myself. I was not diagnosed until my early twenties, because my

pediatrician didn't know females could have it.  I was raised by a

mother and father that would sooner cut off their arms than give me a

baby aspirin.  If I had diarrhea, I got Lactobacillus acidophilus pills

or yogurt.  If I had a flu, I got zinc instead of cold medicine.  I was

not allowed to walk out the door for school until I had finished my

glass of orange juice with brewers yeast. For breakfast I got wheat germ

instead of sugar on my cereal.  My mom was giving me green algae pills

for my concentration troubles long before they were available at the

mall health food store.  I didn't have a carbonated soda until I was old

enough to go out with my friends and buy one myself. I watched my dad

recover from a knee replacement without painkillers -- he never even got

the prescription from the hospital filled, becasue he refused to take

drugs.  I was breastfed until I was almost two years old, and my mother

made every bite of baby food I put in my mouth after that from food she

grew in our garden or bought at the farmer's market...  Drugs were a

non-isue in my home -- not first choice OR last resort.  The health of

her children was my mom's primary concern in life.  I took one

medication that I know of as a child, and that was Isoniazid in first

grade when I tested positive for TB -- I either took it, or got

quarrantined. Needless to say, my parents did not jump at the

opportunity to give me pills.  They taught me very well that medicine is

overused in this country, and that most drugs are unnecessary with

prevention and healthy habits.



Yet I was drinking and smoking pot by the age of 14, doing any other

drugs I could get my hands on by the age of 16 -- and I was addicted to

cocaine by the age of 19.  It had nothing to do with my upbringing.  It

was the typical self-medication in which the MAJORITY of those with

untreated/undiagnosed ADD wind up participating ...  It's ironic, isn't

it?  You commented that parents urging their kids to depend upon

medication is a precuror to later drug use/abuse, yet for children with

undiagnosed or untreated ADD, the likelihood is that without a stimulant

like Ritalin to adjust the symptoms of the neurological imbalance, they

will at some point resort to self-medication.  Not as a result or a

reaction, but as an unconscious attempt to compensate.



Having witnessed the changes that have transpired in me since being

diagnosed, my parents not only support my stimulant drug therapy, they

encourage it.  And I'm not on Ritalin -- I'm on Adderall, an

amphetamine.  I can function for the first time in my life.  I have

tried more herbal remedies than you could fit on a page, and not one of

them did any more good than a strong cup of coffee would have.



> Though as the child grows

> up, it is

> the child that pays the real price.



What price is that?  The price of having had a lucid childhood that

wasn't fraught with failures, social problems, emotional instabilities,

learning difficulties, and a myriad of other troubles?





> See my last statement. Also keep in mind what other long term damage

> may have

> occured in the meantime. For instance stimulants can adversely affect

> the

> adrenal glands leading to a whole host of problems.



Do you mean to say that you'd rather have a tall child than a

functioning one? A physically fully-developed child than an emotionally

healthy one? even if what you say were true, I can speak as one

who has suffered with severe ADD for years -- I'd trade a few

inches in a heartbeat for the time and opportunity I've missed because I

was not on the medication as a child.  And I haven't read any viable

documentation that substantiates your claim that Ritalin stunts the

adrenal glands' function.  It is one of a long list of rumors that

surround ADD.



> And maybe Ritalin is the second best treatment. Other parents found

> adaptogens

> and L-glutamine to be the best choice. It does not sound to me like

> you gave

> alternatives a fair chance because of your strongly held biases.



My strongly held biases are against the spread of misinformation only. I

am in no way an advocate for the use of drugs, legal or illegal.  If

they are appropriate and are recognized as the most effective option, I

think it's irresponsible to rule them out in favor of something that is

more natural only in that it is less processed and available without a

prescription.



> If you want to have a child on stimulants until he is old

> enough to

> decide for himself then there is nothing I can do to change that.



No parent WANTS to have a child on stimulants.  What an insensitive

thing to say! Don't fancy that those sharing your view on Ritalin have

the monopoly on compassion, and that the rest of us are ogres with no

regard to the safety or best interests of our children.



> One final note. Ritalin is a stimulant, and epinephrine is a

> stimulant. The

> difference is the latter is produced by the body. Adaptogens

> strengthen the

> adrenal glands, which produce epinephrine, allowing proper levels of

> epinephrine to be produced.



I wonder why, then, more people have not latched onto this simple

solution?  Could it be that millions of callous and uncaring parents are

secretly being paid off by the pharmaceutical industry?  I tried to find

some information on adaptogens and L-glutamine, went to seven or eight

herbal webpages, the FDA site, and couldn't find a thing.  Pretty

incredible breakthrough that nobody has ever heard of?  I did, however,

find (interspersed with the many, many spam posts selling "all-natural"

suppliments that cure ADD) proclaimations that everything from ginseng

to milk thistle to chromium piccolinate helped the child of "someone I

know" with the symptoms of ADD/ADHD.  Strangely enough, these same

children all seemed to have had several food allergies as well, and upon

starting the new diet were cured of all that ailed them.  Is it possible

that these children never had ADD to begin with?



For once, I'd like to hear a first-hand account of this miraculous

change from the child's mouth.  Or from even the parent's mouth.  it's

always someone who knows someone with the success story.



> So maybe adaptogens are a good, and safe,

> substitute for Ritalin. If this worked for your child, as it has with

> others,

> the underlying problem would be corrected without the side effects of

> Ritalin.



ADD cannot be corrected.  It cannot be cured, and it cannot be

contracted.  Ritalin does not have side effects for everyone.  There are

also many other compositionally different stimulants beside Ritalin, and

all are proven to work. If you know people who have had miracle results

with adaptogens and L-glutamine, maybe they'd be willing to share their

stories with us? Because this is the first mention I have heard made of

them in connection with ADD, and God knows we can't just assume, can we?





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To: L Daemon <lda3mon@yahoo_nojunk_.com>

Subject: Re: Ritalin

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:26:37 -0400

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See response below:



L Daemon wrote:



> HerbAssist wrote in message

> >So as they grow up they learn to use drugs for social

> >problems as well.

>

> Please clarify here, are you saying that ADHD is a social problem?

> I thought it was a physical condition.

>

> > Also keep in mind what other long term damage may have

> >occured in the meantime.

>

> Imagine the long term problems without...worse case is death.  I'd rather

> have a child that lives.

>

> >So maybe adaptogens are a good, and safe,

> >substitute for Ritalin.

>

> If Ritalin is working, why substitute?

> What would you substitute for insulin?



Insulin naturally occurs in the body. Are you saying that Ritalin is produced

in the body?



Believe me, I know about diabetes more than I care to because of  family

members who have it. Depending on the type of diabetes, juvenile or adult

onset (to use less technical terms) herbs can actually be used to manage it so

one either takes less or no medication. That's in those cases where the body

is still producing some insulin and is able to use it. Diet also plays a major

factor here.



Now, adaptogenic herbs work with the body's own physical processes to

strengthen body functions. Ritalin, on the other hand, from what little I know

about it, doesn't strengthen body functions and just addresses the symptoms of

ADHA. Like most drugs, including NSAIDS, it's going to stress your liver which

has to filter it out of the blood.



So, why would you "substitute?"  For your body's overall health. And perhaps,

if someone really needed to take Ritalin or any other prescribed drug, they

still would want to use herbs to strengthen and support the body's systems.



>

> How would you 'naturally' manage schizophrenia?



I've worked with clients who have been on some heavy-duty drugs, including

lithium. There are various ways of working with people. Sometimes they

continue to take the drugs (I always tell people to work with their medical

doctors and to NOT just cut out drugs.), sometimes they slowly reduce their

dosages, under medical supervision, and other times they may eventually stop

their medications altogether.



Any time, whether it's with respect to ADHA, diabetes, schizophrenia,

allergies--anytime you're dealing with an individual human being, not a set of

symptoms. So I would not naturally manage any dis-ease or condition. I work

with individuals to help them build their health.



>

> Why are herbs and/or plants 'safer' or 'healthier' than 'medications' [I

> hate to use the term 'medications' because anything that is taken to

> improve, cure, maintain something in the body is a 'medication' whether a

> plant or a pill].

> Opium, BellaDonna, Arsenic, are all 'natural' but I wouldn't say they were

> 'safe'.



I missed the original post on this thread, but knowing HerbAssist's usual

style, I'd say he probably did NOT make a blanket statement that herbs or

plants are necessarily healthier than medications.



I studied in a very formal herbal program for two years. We never covered

opium, belladonna, arsenic, only about 300 herbs that one might want to work

with. Most people would say water was safe. But if you drink enough of it, you

will drown.



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/







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Subject: Re: Ritalin

From: Mark Gold <mgold@tiac.net>

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:44:25 -0400

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On Sun, 23 May 1999, L Daemon wrote:



> >So maybe adaptogens are a good, and safe,

> >substitute for Ritalin.

> 

> If Ritalin is working, why substitute?



Hi!



Most people would rather avoid drugs if possible. Drugs may present

significant hazards to a subset of the population in long-term use. There

are plenty of safer and very successful treatment techniques for persons

with ADD/ADHD.  Unfortunately, many people end up fishing around for a

single herb, vitamin, etc. rather than looking at more involved and

effective techniques.  A subset of such techniques are discussed in some

of the presentations at: 



    http://www.holisticmed.com/add/#experts



Other useful programs and techniques are still to be added to that page.



Best Wishes,

                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net



                     Holistic Healing Web Page

                    http://www.HolisticMed.com/



               Home of ADD/ADHD Holistic Mailing List

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Subject: Re: Ritalin

From: Vivian Howell <vhowell@home.com>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:14:28 GMT

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A Social Worker I know who takes Ritalin told me it helps her on

occasions when she has to take a test or do things requiring linear

thought but she feels it hinders her creativity so when she needs to

think in more abstract and holographic terms, she doesn't take it.  

Did you have any similar experiences?



Vivian Howell



Karen wrote:

> 

> I am a 34 year old woman who took Ritalin from 1994 to 1997.  The effect was

> that it enhances my alertness but was somewhat calming to the thought

> process; therefor enhancing concentration ability. My reason for

> discontinuing use is that I do not think that taking an amphetamine for

> years on end is a good idea.

> 

> Karen Shelton

> AltNature Online Herbal and Photo Gallery

> http://www.altnature.com





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Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ritalin

From: Dave Knapp <dk@usa.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 02:18:45 GMT

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Vivian Howell wrote:

> 

> A Social Worker I know who takes Ritalin told me it helps her on

> occasions when she has to take a test or do things requiring linear

> thought but she feels it hinders her creativity so when she needs to

> think in more abstract and holographic terms, she doesn't take it.

> Did you have any similar experiences?



Quite the opposite.  I have accomplished more creatively in the last 3

years since I started taking Ritalin than I ever did beforehand.



In that time, I've:



*  gotten 3 patents,

*  written and directed a play

*  written several pieces of music that have been performed

*  performed professionally as a magician

*  worked with an ADD kid on a science project that won him $10K in a 

   national contest

*  had original ideas funded to the tune of $3M at work



etc.



You're reaching, Vivian.  Give it up. Go somewhere else and torture

people.



  -- Dave





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Harvesting Echinacea

From: Rebecca Fransway <rfrans@ivillage.com>

Date: 16 May 1999 18:30:02 -0700

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Hi Everybody



Does anyone know when Echinacea should be harvested, what parts should

be used, and how to trim the plant so it grows best?



Last year we transplanted one. I harvested three of the purple cone flowers,

and that's all we got.  This year the same plant is much bigger, not 

flowering yet though.  This is our first herb garden, and, for the most

part, we are gardening dummies.



Rebecca







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Subject: Care and Harvest of St. John's Wort

From: Rebecca Fransway <rfrans@ivillage.com>

Date: 16 May 1999 18:32:41 -0700

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Hello again.



Can someone please post on the care and harvesting of St. John's Wort?



We have two plants--healthy looking, but last year they did not flower.



This year they are much bigger and spreading all over. Very healthy looking,

but still no flowers. I have no idea what parts to harvest, when, and 

what to do when the plant flowers. Do I trim?



Anyone experienced?  



Rebecca







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Subject: Re: Care and Harvest of St. John's Wort

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 17 May 1999 10:40:06 GMT

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>Hello again.

>

>Can someone please post on the care and harvesting of St. John's Wort?

>

>We have two plants--healthy looking, but last year they did not flower.

>

>This year they are much bigger and spreading all over. Very healthy looking,

>but still no flowers. I have no idea what parts to harvest, when, and 

>what to do when the plant flowers. Do I trim?

>

>Anyone experienced?  

>

>Rebecca



St J's grows in places that look as if they couldn't support life in any form.

Do nothing to help the plant and it should do fine. She does need full sun for

at least half the day. I wouldn't trim. 



Harvest the flowering tops, leaving enough to seed for the following year.



Green Blessings,



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Care and Harvest of St. John's Wort

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:10:25 -0700

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When I harvest the flowering tops I pick off bud by bud. I try to only

harvest 50% off each plant so it will produce seed and reseed itself.  Won't

be in bloom for a while, usually mid-June or even later depending on your

elevation.



Ingrid









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Subject: Re: Care and Harvest of St. John's Wort

From: "Edward Lau" <emlau@up.net>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:18:25 -0500

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Where is SJW plants found commercially..,Most nurseries?

Jozef

ma pickle wrote in message ...

>When I harvest the flowering tops I pick off bud by bud. I try to only

>harvest 50% off each plant so it will produce seed and reseed itself.

Won't

>be in bloom for a while, usually mid-June or even later depending on your

>elevation.

>

>Ingrid

>

>









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Subject: Re: Care and Harvest of St. John's Wort

From: Rebecca Fransway <rfrans@ivillage.com>

Date: 17 May 1999 16:55:56 -0700

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In article <7hpj1l$d7e@btc3.up.net>, "Edward says...

>

>Where is SJW plants found commercially..,Most nurseries?

>Jozef



I found mine in a local nursery.  They had a small rack of medicinal

herbs.  I did not expect to find SJW though--guess I lucked out.  You

may want to call the nursery first.



>ma pickle wrote in message ...

>>When I harvest the flowering tops I pick off bud by bud. I try to only

>>harvest 50% off each plant so it will produce seed and reseed itself.

>Won't

>>be in bloom for a while, usually mid-June or even later depending on your

>>elevation.

>>

>>Ingrid

>>

Thanks, everyone who gave input.  Your advice is very helpful.



Rebecca

>

>







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Subject: Re: Care and Harvest of St. John's Wort

From: Janine@Healthyu.NOSPAMHEREnet (Janine )

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:42:05 GMT

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On Tue, 25 May 1999 08:52:33 -0400, "MindSpring User"

<rjmozer@mindspring.com> wrote:



Heya Ma!



I just pulled TWO HUGE SJW plants out of the front yard. I have yet to

find the oil help in pain/inflammations. I still have one plant out

there. Mine grow by runners on the ground. I have already harvested

tons of the flowers and have one gallon of red oil. Mine have been

blooming for a month. It's hot here, what can I say?

Isn't it a bear picking them off one by one? LOL..I do that too.

HerbalGram a magazine of some report, apparently, has people on staff

that are 'experts' in their herbal fields I guess. They said to take

the top 6-8 inches of the plants for harvest. Dunno if they were

talking for drying or for what.

Let me tell ya! SJW is VERY...read....V-E-R-Y invasive!



Janine





>>>ma pickle wrote in message ...

>>>>When I harvest the flowering tops I pick off bud by bud. I try to only

>>>>harvest 50% off each plant so it will produce seed and reseed itself.

>>>Won't

>>>>be in bloom for a while, usually mid-June or even later depending on your

>>>>elevation.

>>>>

>>>>Ingrid



SKN SAVR, fades many scars/marks; Comfrey Ointment,

Botanically Infused oils, Body Butters, HEALING Naturally

http://www.HealthyU.net





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Subject: Re: Care and Harvest of St. John's Wort

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:38:52 -0700

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You can simply pick off the top of the plant, which is how the commercial

folks do it.  However 1. I find you get a better product with just buds and

2. I believe in ethically wildcrafting, and that included leaving enough

plant for it to repopulate. By taking the top of the plant you take it's

seed making ability as well.



There is now a commercial hybrid available of SJW that grows to a standard

height, thus making it easier to harvest with machines.



Sorry you don't find the oil helpful for pain.  Do you make tincture as well

or just oil?



Ingrid









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Subject: Re: Care and Harvest of St. John's Wort

From: simon J okeeffe <simon_okeeffe@gjames.com.au>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:46:32 +0000

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Edward Lau wrote:



> Where is SJW plants found commercially..,Most nurseries?



I got some seeds from Richers.com they have sprouted really well.

I only planted about 1/5th of the bag and have about 50 seedlings. All are

doing well.

I think it cost about 4 bucks for the seeds.



Simon.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fabulous plant databases

From: Rebecca Fransway <rfrans@ivillage.com>

Date: 16 May 1999 18:40:47 -0700

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Hi folks



I don't want to come here and take without giving. So look what I found.

These databases are amazing. On one of them,the phytochemical database, 

 you can type in either the

common or botanical name of any plant, and up will come its chemical

constitution, as well as what those chemicals do in the body. This database

is indispensible for herbalists.  Another is Michael Tim's page, which

contains a database that will allow you to search a plant for various

ethnic uses. It seems just about any plant has been used in some part of 

the world nutritionally or medicinally. Its fascinating!



The following URL lists several database links, including those discussed

above.



http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/syllabus/internet.htm



Have many a happy hour!



Rebecca







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Req: Inf on Aloe Vera please.

From: "John Thompson" <jaytee_@_clear.net.nz>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:02:11 GMT

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Hi Group

	I am keen to get some facts on Aloe Vera as I have five young plants.

Such as;

Cultivation.

Extraction of gel methods.

Storage of gel.

Applications and uses of gel.

Mixable with other oils or emulsions

Warnings and Dangers

If anyone will help please email me or post reply to N.G

-- 

For spambots only abuse@clear.net.nz

My Address is jaytee  @clear.net.nz. Remove the two spaces to reply.. 



Or Remove the two _ _ in the headers address.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lime Juice

From: Michael Broderick <michael_broderick@bc.sympatico.ca>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:08:43 -0700

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Does anyone have any references, cross-cultural or otherwise, about the

use of lime juice buffered with baking soda as a skin

cleanser/treatment?



.../Mike





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gymnema Sylvester (Gurmar)

From: "JUSTIN A GREGOIRE" <jgregoire@snet.net>

Date: 17 May 1999 23:15:15 GMT

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I am looking for info in regards to this

Herb in relation to Dibetic patients and people who suffer from the effects

of Diabetes







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Subject: help please

From: "Debi" <buggadebi@wzrd.com>

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:54:13 -0400

--------



A friend at work, a mother of three, has been diagnosed with lung cancer. It

is the melanoma she had a few years ago. She is not accepting the chemo/drug

therapy recommended because it will not "cure" her so she is seeking an

alternative route. If anyone has any suggestions/guidance please e-mail me

because I do not receive all the posts. I apologize if this is a repeat

question. debi12@wzrd.com thanx! I will print out any responses and give

them to her :)









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pein Tze Huang

From: "marcus" <sales@tdinfo.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:45:29 +0800

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any one has first hand information about this chinese medicine - Pein Tze

Huang?









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pein Tze Huang

From: "Lani Loring" <llhow@wco.com>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:40:15 -0700

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Does it have another name? And what is it used for....









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Subject: Herb Hormones/Vitamins?

From: d <sweetgrass@earthlink.net>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:11:04 +0000

--------

Does anyone here know of websites or books which contain information listing

hormones and/or vitamin/mineral content of various herbs?



Thanks in advance.



-d







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Subject: Re: Herb Hormones/Vitamins?

From: "Herb Lady" <herbs@mcmsys.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:26:06 -0500

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Yes, there is a book called Nutrtitional Herbology, by Mark Pedersen, which

lists many herbs, and their vitamin/mineral content.  Wendell W. Whitman

Company, copyright 1994.  It also gives medicinal uses, and chemical

constituents.





d wrote in message <37412EA9.AF17FF76@earthlink.net>...

>Does anyone here know of websites or books which contain information

listing

>hormones and/or vitamin/mineral content of various herbs?

>

>Thanks in advance.

>

>-d

>









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Subject: Re: Herb Hormones/Vitamins?

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:16:53 -0700

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d wrote:



> Does anyone here know of websites or books which contain information listing

> hormones and/or vitamin/mineral content of various herbs?

>



Please realize that herbs do not contain human hormones (or precursors for that

matter), and that any one who tries to tell you that they do is misinformed...j

o  s    h







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Subject: Re: Herb Hormones/Vitamins?

From: "Herb Lady" <herbs@mcmsys.com>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:10:42 -0500

--------



d wrote in message <37452CF4.AA8FAF94@earthlink.net>...

>Someone who replied to my query said that herbs do not contain hormones.

The

>remark which followed his statement basically said anyone who claimed there

>were hormones in herbs was (unpleasant name or adjective...).  I have read

>several places, including this newsgroup, about hormone content in herbs.

I

>am not saying this person was wrong, but I dont have enough information to

>know whether or not he is.  If you have any information about hormones in

>herbs (or vitamins) please feel free to e-mail directly.





I have also not heard of hormones being in herbs.  I have heard of

"precursors" of hormones being in herbs, or "building blocks."  Meaning that

part of the chemical structure is there, and that it is thought that that

makes it easier for the body to build the rest of the hormone molecule.  But

"I" don't know of any research that verifies this.



For example, that is why many people think yam cream is so good for you.













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Subject: Re: Herb Hormones/Vitamins?

From: "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:36:39 GMT

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Yes, Herb Lady is correct, in that there are many hormone like chemicals in

some herbs (often very sophisticated chemical compounds that are only

slightly different then the actual very complex chemical compounds

identified so far as human hormones found in human blood, ducts, or glands.



As scientists are learning the human body does not operate like a test tube

and many bio-chemical reactions that occur or don't occur actually do not

obey the laws of biochemuistry as understood today (not that biochemistry

isn't constantly changing and one day in the future will be able to explain

better how these compounds are produced and what precursors are needed).



In many cases it has been shown that certain chemical precursors that work

in a test tube and found in certain foods and herbs actually do behave

similarly in the body (with increased hormonal production) or in specific

hormone creation while others do not. Much work is still being done on how

the living laboratory works and by no means is the "end" in sight although

it is a fascinating field. Many of these systems are extremely complex, one

hormone being a precursor to another and often located in a remote area,

which in turn is dependent upon even yet another remote system operating as

a self regulatory and intellgent system (when in balance). It is often when

this very complex self regulatory system gets out of balance, do what is

diagnosed as a "hormone deficiency" occur, however certain nutritional (and

herbal factors indeed may help establish balance).



When I find a specific old time herb that has a historical use that is

nowadays associated with hormonal action often (like wild yam) you will find

a direct hormonal precursor, but at other times we may find an herb or

combination of herbs effective that would  appear to act indirectly, that

the present state of science can not yet explain. From my little knowledge

of this emerging technology (and some medical doctors agree), that it is

safer to supplement with the precursors allowing the body's innate

regulatory intelligence to chose what actual hormones to manufacture than to

supplement/inject the actual final product i.e., hormone therapy which is

usually associated with increased risks.



Biochemistry is a huge and ever changing/evolving body of knowledge and much

that  was considered to be "gospel" 35 years ago when I first studied it,

has been "considerably revised". I look to the next 35 years to even a more

accelerated "re-vision".









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To: Herb Lady <herbs@mcmsys.com>

Subject: Re: Herb Hormones/Vitamins?

From: d <sweetgrass@earthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:15:21 +0000

--------

Is there a website or book which contains information on these "precursors?" 

It sounds like these "precursors" exist in foods, too.  Any websites/books on

what is contained in what?  Thanks for your reply :-)



-d



Herb Lady wrote:

> 

> 

> I have also not heard of hormones being in herbs.  I have heard of

> "precursors" of hormones being in herbs, or "building blocks."  Meaning that

> part of the chemical structure is there, and that it is thought that that

> makes it easier for the body to build the rest of the hormone molecule.  But

> "I" don't know of any research that verifies this.

> 

> For example, that is why many people think yam cream is so good for you.







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Subject: Re: Herb Hormones/Vitamins?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 25 May 1999 19:09:33 GMT

--------

In article <37469FD9.396C18CF@earthlink.net>, d <sweetgrass@earthlink.net>

writes:



>Is there a website or book which contains information on these "precursors?" 

>It sounds like these "precursors" exist in foods, too.  Any websites/books on

>what is contained in what?  Thanks for your reply :-)



There's a number of books like Michael Murray's Getting Well Naturally:

Menopause that deal with botanical precursors. Susun Weed's books are very

popular. Anne Gittleman just released a new book on nutrition and menopause for

Avery.



Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Re: Herb Hormones/Vitamins?

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:58:13 -0500

--------

From what I have read informally, I would think rather than hormones being

in herbs, there are herbs that "encourage" the production of the hormones,

or some that simply allow the organs to better process them. Dong quai, wild

yam, evening primrose oil, and the like.



Hilary





d <sweetgrass@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:37452CF4.AA8FAF94@earthlink.net...

| First, thank you for the replies I've received thus far.  I will check out

the

| book mentioned.  There was also a site mentioned in another thread where

| chemical contents of herbs are listed.  I've visiited it and it certainly

does

| have a  lot of information.

|

| Someone who replied to my query said that herbs do not contain hormones.

The

| remark which followed his statement basically said anyone who claimed

there

| were hormones in herbs was (unpleasant name or adjective...).  I have read

| several places, including this newsgroup, about hormone content in herbs.

I

| am not saying this person was wrong, but I dont have enough information to

| know whether or not he is.  If you have any information about hormones in

| herbs (or vitamins) please feel free to e-mail directly.

|

| -d

|

|

|

| d wrote:

| >

| > Does anyone here know of websites or books which contain information

listing

| > hormones and/or vitamin/mineral content of various herbs?

| >

| > Thanks in advance.

| >

| > -d

|









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Subject: Re: Herb Hormones/Vitamins?

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 29 May 1999 21:31:34 GMT

--------

>From what I have read informally, I would think rather than hormones being

>in herbs, there are herbs that "encourage" the production of the hormones,

>or some that simply allow the organs to better process them. Dong quai, wild

>yam, evening primrose oil, and the like.

>

>Hilary

>

>



Over 350 plants have been identified that contain very weak estrogenic

substances referred to as phytoestrogens.





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Subject: Re: Herb Hormones/Vitamins?

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 04:34:34 GMT

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On 29 May 1999 21:31:34 GMT, herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>>From what I have read informally, I would think rather than hormones being

>>in herbs, there are herbs that "encourage" the production of the hormones,

>>or some that simply allow the organs to better process them. Dong quai, wild

>>yam, evening primrose oil, and the like.

>

>Over 350 plants have been identified that contain very weak estrogenic

>substances referred to as phytoestrogens.



However, the term phytoestrogen is nonsensical. 

Some of said phytoestrogens bind to estrogen-binding sites and activate them

partly - that gives you more estrogen activity in your body.

Others found under the same term bind to estrogen-binding sites without doing

squat, taking up space which real estrogen could have used. That gives you less

estrogen activity in your body.

And you call them phytoestrogens one and all? That's truly silly.



Further, nothing but real estrogen / progesterone will ever activate the

switching estrogen/progesterone-binding sites. Not even oral "hormones" do that

- but then, they're not really hormones, either, they're hormone look-alikes

which are broken down into a semblance of our own hormones in the liver.



Back to the "phytoestrogens": they're usually saponins. They're NOT hormones.

Call them estrogen inhibitors or estrogen strengtheners, depending on which way

they fall, but please do forget about the one size fits all term. It doesn't fit

all.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Herb Hormones/Vitamins?

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 30 May 1999 11:01:17 GMT

--------

>>>From what I have read informally, I would think rather than hormones being

>>>in herbs, there are herbs that "encourage" the production of the hormones,

>>>or some that simply allow the organs to better process them. Dong quai,

>wild

>>>yam, evening primrose oil, and the like.

>>

>>Over 350 plants have been identified that contain very weak estrogenic

>>substances referred to as phytoestrogens.

>

>However, the term phytoestrogen is nonsensical. 

>Some of said phytoestrogens bind to estrogen-binding sites and activate them

>partly - that gives you more estrogen activity in your body.

>Others found under the same term bind to estrogen-binding sites without doing

>squat, taking up space which real estrogen could have used. That gives you

>less

>estrogen activity in your body.



This is helpful in cases of excessive estrogen activity in the body such as

endometriosis, and they block the action of stronger estrogens in breast cancer

to prevent these stronger estrogens from increasing the growth rate of cancer

cells.



>And you call them phytoestrogens one and all? That's truly silly.

>



The term is not mine, but the scientists who discovered them.



>Further, nothing but real estrogen / progesterone will ever activate the

>switching estrogen/progesterone-binding sites.



Many of these compounds are said to exert a weak estrogenic effect.



>Back to the "phytoestrogens": they're usually saponins. 



Saponins from what I have seen tend to be more steroidal compounds, such as the

saponins found in yucca root.



>They're NOT hormones.



If they have any estrogenic activity then I can see why the scientists would

classify them as hormones. But I guess you will have to take that up with them

if you feel that the scientists are wrong.

As a final note, plants do produce hormones. Most may have no effect on the

human body, but the point is that animals are not the life forms that produce

hormones. Check in to auxins, produced by plants, and gibberellic acid,

produced by a fungus. 





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Subject: Capsules was allergies

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 18 May 1999 11:02:08 GMT

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>I buy them from ecclectic institute.  I am not usually a big fan of herbal

>capsules, but I have seen these work fairly consistently (very consistently

>for

>some people, though I have not been able to figure out who it works best

>for)...

>j o  s    h



The use of capsules was explained to me as useless when working with plants.

The reasoning was given and I'd like some opinions. It was said that the

capsule was invented in order to get medication past your stomach and liver and

into the bloodstream without them acting on the medication. Plants need to be

acted upon by both in order to be of use to us as plants are not medication.

Also, by swallowing the plant, tasting it, it gives the tongue a chance to

signal the liver what is coming on down the line and gets the liver ready to

work.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Capsules was allergies

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:12:35 -0700

--------

>  It was said that the capsule was invented in order to get medication past your

> stomach and liver and into the bloodstream without them acting on the medication.



This is untrue.  While it is possible (but unlikely) for a capsule to get herbs

past the stomach in tact, in order to get into the blood stream (or the liver for

that matter via the portal blood flow) the capsule needs to be broken down as do

the contents of the capsule into macromolecules or smaller substances which are

then absorbed thru the intestinal lining.  From there the only way to go is to the

liver where it will most certainly be acted upon in a variety of ways.  Some herbs

contain molecules of a small enough size that they can be absorbed thru mucosal

membranes in the stomach or small intestine, but for the very most part all we

ingest (including capsulated herbs) are subject to the scrutiny of our liver before

the various parts are let into general circulation.  Capsules are merely a

convenient way of packaging powdered herbs into a uniform mass.  There are some

forms of encapsulation such as enteric coating which is specifically designed to

break down slower and thus have a topical effect further along the intestinal tract

than would an normal capsule (due to the fact that it would be absorbed and shiped

off to the liver earlier along the GI tract).



>



>  Plants need to be

> acted upon by both in order to be of use to us as plants are not medication.



This is not necessarily true for all herbs in all applications.  In England as well

as in Germany (and I am sure elsewhere also) herbs are given in intervenous

preperations in some situations.  Sometimes due to chemical explinations beyond my

knowledge constituents in herbs make it into the blood stream the same as they

ocured in the plant.  Perhaps the liver sees no need to change them.  Because of

this, such preperations can be safely injected.  Sometimes the liver would change a

constituent that is benificial in the blood unchanged, in which case IV is a

reasonable means of administration also.  Methods of application vary greatly from

plant to plant, and it is a stretch to put a blanket rule for how to use herbal

medicines in general.  Plants vary in chemistry greatly, and great it the variance

in how we acomidate their chemistry in the context of our own metabolsim.



>

> Also, by swallowing the plant, tasting it, it gives the tongue a chance to

> signal the liver what is coming on down the line and gets the liver ready to

> work.



While this is certainly true in some cases, it is not always true.  Bitters for

example exact a great deal of their efficy by their taste alone.  Astringents on

the other hand work when their tannins come into contact with the distended tissue

in question.  Again, the above statement while true in certain contexts, is a bit

broad sweeping... j o  s    h









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Subject: Foot cramps again

From: "Freebird" <freebird@ticnet.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 06:42:47 -0500

--------

I didn't make it to the store yet to get bananas, and was up all night again

last night.  My feet are miserable now.  I'll be at the store today for

sure!











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Subject: Re: Foot cramps again

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 19 May 1999 11:15:17 GMT

--------

>> I didn't make it to the store yet to get bananas, and was up all night again

last night.  My feet are miserable now.  I'll be at the store today for sure <<



Is it just one foot or both that is bothering you?



Irwin





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Subject: Re: Foot cramps again

From: "Freebird" <freebird@ticnet.com>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 06:48:06 -0500

--------

Both.  And yesterday I got potassium and calcium, and I ate a banana, and

they bothered me a little last night still.  Guess it will take a while...





IrwinGreen <irwingreen@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990519071517.07314.00002343@ng08.aol.com...

> >> I didn't make it to the store yet to get bananas, and was up all night

again

> last night.  My feet are miserable now.  I'll be at the store today for

sure <<

>

> Is it just one foot or both that is bothering you?

>

> Irwin









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Subject: Re: Foot cramps again

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:48:13 -0500

--------

It may not be either... but the potassium in the banana, I should think,

would work faster than the calcium in the tablet.



Hilary



Freebird <freebird@ticnet.com> wrote in message

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s.net...

| Both.  And yesterday I got potassium and calcium, and I ate a banana, and

| they bothered me a little last night still.  Guess it will take a while...

|

|

| IrwinGreen <irwingreen@aol.com> wrote in message

| news:19990519071517.07314.00002343@ng08.aol.com...

| > >> I didn't make it to the store yet to get bananas, and was up all

night

| again

| > last night.  My feet are miserable now.  I'll be at the store today for

| sure <<

| >

| > Is it just one foot or both that is bothering you?

| >

| > Irwin

|

|









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Subject: Re: Foot cramps again

From: "Freebird" <freebird@ticnet.com>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:12:04 -0500

--------

I had the cramps again last night.  And all day today my legs and feet

ached, like I had ran a marathon.  :(



cheri









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Subject: Re: Foot cramps again

From: james0mack@aol.com.schpam (James0Mack)

Date: 20 May 1999 03:05:33 GMT

--------

Stupid newbie quetion ...



Are potssium and calcium good for muscle aches, strained muscles?



I get cramping in my feet, but I've always assumed it has more to do with a

combination of dehydration and nor exercising my toes (I walk on my heels).



Jimmy





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Subject: Re: Foot cramps again

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 20 May 1999 04:29:03 GMT

--------

>> I had the cramps again last night.  And all day today my legs and feet

ached, like I had ran a marathon.  :( <<



Cheri, did you notice anything out of the ordinary such as swelling, distended

veins, abnormally cold (or hot) feet, etc.?



Irwin





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Subject: Re: Foot cramps again

From: Janine@Healthyu.NOSPAMHEREnet (Janine )

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:09:29 GMT

--------

On 20 May 1999 04:29:03 GMT, irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen) wrote:



>>> I had the cramps again last night.  And all day today my legs and feet

>ached, like I had ran a marathon.  :( <<

>

>Cheri, did you notice anything out of the ordinary such as swelling, distended

>veins, abnormally cold (or hot) feet, etc.?

>

>Irwin



I used to get cramps in my feet, only my feet. At odd times too, like

standing on a rock while fishing, or shopping, or walking. The only

thing that helped, and I tried all the herbal remedies I could

find..was a pill. Quinine and sulphur. Eating garlic for the sulphur

didn't work, neither did drinking quinine water, and THAT was

HORRIBLE. I don't get them so much anymore, but once in a while when

fishing. I used to think it was my feet getting cold, or too hot. Docs

didn't know why. No one knows why yet. It would only happen in my

toes. 



Janine

SKN SAVR, fades many scars/marks; Comfrey Ointment,

Botanically Infused oils, Body Butters, HEALING Naturally

http://www.HealthyU.net





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Subject: Re: Foot cramps again

From: "F and  K Gallegos" <alchemytravel@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:14:00 -0700

--------

Muscle cramping is directly related to calcium deficiency. Try a supplement

that has magnesium to help the body with the absorbtion.

Goodluck

Janine wrote in message <374e40ab.120455403@news.gvn.net>...

>On 20 May 1999 04:29:03 GMT, irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen) wrote:

>

>>>> I had the cramps again last night.  And all day today my legs and feet

>>ached, like I had ran a marathon.  :( <<

>>

>>Cheri, did you notice anything out of the ordinary such as swelling,

distended

>>veins, abnormally cold (or hot) feet, etc.?

>>

>>Irwin

>

>I used to get cramps in my feet, only my feet. At odd times too, like

>standing on a rock while fishing, or shopping, or walking. The only

>thing that helped, and I tried all the herbal remedies I could

>find..was a pill. Quinine and sulphur. Eating garlic for the sulphur

>didn't work, neither did drinking quinine water, and THAT was

>HORRIBLE. I don't get them so much anymore, but once in a while when

>fishing. I used to think it was my feet getting cold, or too hot. Docs

>didn't know why. No one knows why yet. It would only happen in my

>toes.

>

>Janine

>SKN SAVR, fades many scars/marks; Comfrey Ointment,

>Botanically Infused oils, Body Butters, HEALING Naturally

>http://www.HealthyU.net









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Subject: Re: Foot cramps again

From: "Evelyn Ruut" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:11:58 -0400

--------



Freebird wrote in message

<36A3F875CD4AB684.7923EB54EBB3D981.3FE21681B4954C36@library-proxy.airnews.ne

t>...

>I had the cramps again last night.  And all day today my legs and feet

>ached, like I had ran a marathon.  :(

>

>cheri





Cheri,



I have problems absorbing calcium myself.   I might suggest that you could

try what really worked well for me..... the liquid calcium gel caps.   For

some reason it makes all the difference in the world.   I now get the

benefits of the calcium whereas the tablets are like useless for me.   It

seems to act almost as a muscle relaxant helping me sleep and reducing

muscle spasms.   With fibromyalgia, I need all the help I can get and these

liquid calcium caps did the trick for me.



Regards,

Evelyn









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Subject: Re: Foot cramps again

From: cheri@ticnet.com

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:45:24 GMT

--------

That's exactly what I got, liquid calcium gelcaps.  Hope they work soon.





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Subject: Re: Foot cramps again

From: "sawest" <sawest@fullnet.net>

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 01:28:08 -0500

--------

you should try tomato juice too muscle cramps are also caused by a lack of

magnesium and potassium



<cheri@ticnet.com> wrote in message news:7i1hnj$8vt$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> That's exactly what I got, liquid calcium gelcaps.  Hope they work soon.

>

>

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Subject: Re: Foot cramps again

From: "Infomaui" <infomaui@tropicals.com>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:16:50 GMT

--------

Yes bananas, orange juice, olives and apricots may help you

Good luck, Chris



Freebird <freebird@ticnet.com> wrote in article

<806A220266BBA38E.B0D584995E3A5112.70DDE23A23121CB0@library-proxy.airnews.ne

t>...

> I didn't make it to the store yet to get bananas, and was up all night

again

> last night.  My feet are miserable now.  I'll be at the store today for

> sure!

> 

> 

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: Foot cramps again

From: "Freebird" <freebird@ticnet.com>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 06:34:15 -0500

--------

Just twisting bones, and the aching muscles don't happen until the next day.

So no, Jimmy, don't think it's just muscles.  When I can see a toe

practically crossing over another one, I don't think of it as an ordinary

cramping muscle.  But maybe I'm wrong, I'm no expert.













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Subject: Nature's beads

From: "Freebird" <freebird@ticnet.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:06:34 -0500

--------

If you can make beads from rose petals, how about other flowers?  Maybe

honeysuckle?  Anybody know of any other flowers that make nice smelling

beads?



Cheri









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Subject: Re: Nature's beads

From: nmherblady@aol.com (NMHerblady)

Date: 18 May 1999 14:28:03 GMT

--------

I believe there are very few flowers that retain their scent after they are

dried. The beauty of the rose beads is that they will smell like roses forever.

 Lavender, jasmine, and roses are the ones that come to mind.  Orange blossoms,

take on a musty smell.  Chamomile is borderline.  I wonder if the other flowers

would stand up to the rigors of making the beads ie:- all the cooking etc. 

Good luck

Louise/Nature's Flavorings

http://members.aol.com/natflav/index.htm

All that mankind needs for good health and healing is provided in nature ...

the challange to science is to find it...---Paraceisus (Father of Pharmacology)







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Subject: Re: Nature's beads

From: "Herb Lady" <herbs@mcmsys.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:27:30 -0500

--------

Someone has a product out that uses lavender to make beads, but I haven't

tried it.



Freebird wrote in message

<5127421B27ED8386.EFFB1F3C790079EA.40E8A971B75DC029@library-proxy.airnews.ne

t>...

>If you can make beads from rose petals, how about other flowers?  Maybe

>honeysuckle?  Anybody know of any other flowers that make nice smelling

>beads?

>

>Cheri

>

>









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Subject: Re: Nature's beads

From: Janine@Healthyu.NOSPAMHEREnet (Janine )

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:02:40 GMT

--------

On Tue, 18 May 1999 12:27:30 -0500, "Herb Lady" <herbs@mcmsys.com>

wrote:



it should work. with the rose petals, you grind them up and lay them

flat out with a towel to cover, and grind them every day for 2 weeks,

add some flour to the paste at the end, I believe it is. Roll them up

on the last grind into balls, put a pin thru them and anchor them to a

cork or similar board. when they dry, they will be lots smaller,

string on a pc of whatever and put around your neck. They are supposed

to darken and polish next to your skin. Haven't ever tried it.









>Someone has a product out that uses lavender to make beads, but I haven't

>tried it.

>

>Freebird wrote in message

><5127421B27ED8386.EFFB1F3C790079EA.40E8A971B75DC029@library-proxy.airnews.ne

>t>...

>>If you can make beads from rose petals, how about other flowers?  Maybe

>>honeysuckle?  Anybody know of any other flowers that make nice smelling

>>beads?

>>

>>Cheri

>>

>>

>

>



SKN SAVR, fades many scars/marks; Comfrey Ointment,

Botanically Infused oils, Body Butters, HEALING Naturally

http://www.HealthyU.net





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Subject: Re: When to EAT proteins, carbos, aminos?

From: IHATA DASPAMA <rebukespam@home.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:15:39 GMT

--------

Actually, McGuire was criticized for using Andro, a substance that

marginally raises testosterone levels.  



Creatine Monohydrate seems to directly increase muscle mass in some

people. However, it does so only temporarily and by causing muscles to

retain fluid. Still, many bodybuilders claim that the effect is

beneficial because the water weight increases leverage for lifting. On

the down side, some studies show a possible link between CM and

kidney/liver problems. The NHL banned creatine supplements because

several players suffered kidney ailments after loading creatine.



BTW, creatine doesn't affect energy levels and I don't know of any

beneficial reasons for taking it with a protein source. Most

bodybuilders recommend mixing it with fruit juice but that's to kill the

taste.



David wrote:

> 

> This is for serious muscle building.  It is the stuff that Mark McGuire used.

> 

> > Blaz Erik Klun wrote:

> >

> > > 2) I heard about some creatine monohydrate stuff?

> > > What it is for? is it better for enery and muscles than proteins?

> > > Must be taken with proteins?

> >

> > Don't know, sounds like it is some sort of hydrated protein.





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Subject: Re: When to EAT proteins, carbos, aminos?

From: Watson Davis <watson3@home.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:42:55 GMT

--------

Please note: this is crossposted all to hell.  I'm responding from

misc.fitness.weights.



IHATA DASPAMA wrote:

> 

> Actually, McGuire was criticized for using Andro, a substance that

> marginally raises testosterone levels.



That's Androstenedione.  4-AD would have been a better choice.  The

Dione's have estrogenic effects on some people and aren't particularly

anabolic.



> 

> Creatine Monohydrate seems to directly increase muscle mass in some

> people. However, it does so only temporarily and by causing muscles to

> retain fluid. Still, many bodybuilders claim that the effect is

> beneficial because the water weight increases leverage for lifting. On

> the down side, some studies show a possible link between CM and

> kidney/liver problems. The NHL banned creatine supplements because

> several players suffered kidney ailments after loading creatine.



Creatine does volumize the muscle cells by retaining fluids.  Some

people experience cramping if they don't drink enough water.  This is

the only known side effect from creatine usage.  There is no link to

kidney/liver problems.  When you go off creatine, you lose that extra

pump.



Creatine's results vary widely from no results, to increased strength,

to increased endurance.  Some people report feeling bloated and losing

definition from water retention.  Creatine is used by muscles for

energy.  Some people are deficient and benefit from creatine

supplementation.  Creatine normally comes from red meat and vegetarians

have frequently had great results from supplemenation.  Personally, I

eat tons of meat and creatine didn't seem to do much for me.



> 

> BTW, creatine doesn't affect energy levels and I don't know of any

> beneficial reasons for taking it with a protein source. Most

> bodybuilders recommend mixing it with fruit juice but that's to kill the

> taste.



No.  Bodybuilders recommend mixing it with a high-gi carb drink right

after a workout to improve its absorbtion into the muscles.  An insulin

spike right after a workout is good for replenishing muscle cells.  Most

people put it in grape juice.  I've mixed it with water; it didn't taste

bad.



Watson (the pencil neck) Davis



> 

> David wrote:

> >

> > This is for serious muscle building.  It is the stuff that Mark McGuire used.

> >

> > > Blaz Erik Klun wrote:

> > >

> > > > 2) I heard about some creatine monohydrate stuff?

> > > > What it is for? is it better for enery and muscles than proteins?

> > > > Must be taken with proteins?

> > >

> > > Don't know, sounds like it is some sort of hydrated protein.





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Subject: eyelid twitch

From: "Anne Weitzer" <47dehaven@email.msn.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:29:34 -0400

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What prevents eyelid twitches?









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Subject: Re: eyelid twitch

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 18 May 99 20:28:55 EDT

--------

Anne Weitzer <47dehaven@email.msn.com>  wrote:

AW> What prevents eyelid twitches?



    A high quality nutritional supplement?



.. End  of  message

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Subject: Re: eyelid twitch

From: "Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:57:12 -0400

--------

In all honesty, I learned that muscle twitching is the result of a potassium

deficiency.



--

--

"It is by spending oneself that one becomes rich."

Sarah Bernhardt

George Lagergren wrote in message ...

>Anne Weitzer <47dehaven@email.msn.com>  wrote:

>AW> What prevents eyelid twitches?

>

>    A high quality nutritional supplement?

>

>.. End  of  message

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Subject: Re: eyelid twitch

From: <readandpostNOSPAM@yahoo.com>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 06:40:22 -0500

--------



the most common and benign cause i know of, is eye fatigue!



rosie









Sara wrote in message <7hvq5q$ug$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...

>In all honesty, I learned that muscle twitching is the result of a

potassium

>deficiency.

>

>--

>--

>"It is by spending oneself that one becomes rich."

>Sarah Bernhardt

>George Lagergren wrote in message ...

>>Anne Weitzer <47dehaven@email.msn.com>  wrote:

>>AW> What prevents eyelid twitches?

>>

>>    A high quality nutritional supplement?

>>

>>.. End  of  message

>>___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]

>

>







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Subject: Re: eyelid twitch

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 22 May 1999 16:46:38 GMT

--------

In article <7HS03.7819$_m4.2580@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net>,

<readandpostNOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:



>the most common and benign cause i know of, is eye fatigue!



And the best solution is to take a couple of days away from the computer.

Putter in the garden, go for walks, take naps -- it does go away. I was also

advised to up my calcium intake when it happens. The calcium probably doesn't

hurt, but I've found that just resting my eyes does more good than anything

else.





Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Re: eyelid twitch

From: xena <xena@cyberhighway.net>

Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:41:43 -0500

--------

Hi, I'm new here, but I once took a herbal supplement that was intended

to relax me (for stress) and in between doses, I found my eye jumping. 

When I discontinued use of the supplement, my eye returned to normal.



Are you taking anything similar to that--that's supposed to calm you?



Xena



Anne Weitzer wrote:

> 

> What prevents eyelid twitches?





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Subject: Re: eyelid twitch

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:47:46 GMT

--------

For me, chewing a couple of fresh rue (Ruta graveolens) usually helps, along

with resting the eyes.



-Rich



Anne Weitzer <47dehaven@email.msn.com> wrote in message

news:eTtqpwVo#GA.302@cpmsnbbsa02...

> What prevents eyelid twitches?

>

>









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Subject: Re: eyelid twitch

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:51:07 GMT

--------

Sorry, that should have been "fresh rue *leaves*"



-Rich



Richard Ogden <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote in message

news:6Oj23.4347$wt5.141675@monger.newsread.com...

> For me, chewing a couple of fresh rue (Ruta graveolens) usually helps,

along

> with resting the eyes.

>

> -Rich

>

> Anne Weitzer <47dehaven@email.msn.com> wrote in message

> news:eTtqpwVo#GA.302@cpmsnbbsa02...

> > What prevents eyelid twitches?

> >

> >

>

>









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Subject: Re: Botanical Extraction

From: Alithea <alithea@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:15:54 +0000

--------

I don't know what the "coldfinger" is. Could you explain.

Two publications I recommend for learning how to make tinctures are:

"Healing Wise" by Susun S. Weed and "The Herbal Medicine-Maker's

Handbook by James Green.

I have read and been told that making essential oils is very difficult;

don't know anyone who does it.

Good luck.



Rosemarie





Drahen wrote:

> 

> Anyone know where I can get information on making my own herbal extracts and

> essential oils.  Techniques, methods an equiptment is what I'm looking for.  I

> allready know of the coldfinger. Thank you.





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Subject: Help with Gallstones

From: michaelb@dingo.vu.edu.au (michael)

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:57:55 GMT

--------

Has anyone had any experience with the non-surgical treatment/removal

of cholesterol gallstones.  Is it possible to dissolve them insitu?

The conventional medical wisdom is to remove the entire gallbladder!





Michael





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Subject: Re: Help with Gallstones

From: "Infomaui" <infomaui@tropicals.com>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:15:28 GMT

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Michael:

You may want to check on Milk thistle, apple pectin and dandelion

Good luck, Chris



michael <michaelb@dingo.vu.edu.au> wrote in article

<3741dfb8.372909@news.edison.dialix.com.au>...

> Has anyone had any experience with the non-surgical treatment/removal

> of cholesterol gallstones.  Is it possible to dissolve them insitu?

> The conventional medical wisdom is to remove the entire gallbladder!

> 

> 

> Michael

> 





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Subject: Looking for interview subjects

From: "E. Kuykendall" <elliemk@pobox.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:12:25 -0400

--------

Hello:



My name is Ellie Kuykendall, and I am a freelance writer and

editor. I am currently writing a book about natural remedies for

arthritis. The remedies include everything from affirmations to

water exercises, and of course, things like glucosamine, etc. 



I've had a very difficult time getting people to respond

seriously to my request.  Yet, I feel this book needs to be

written, in order to give people specific alternatives to

traditional Western medicine. I myself have had tremendous

improvement using various natural remedies like accupuncture and

so forth. 



If you'd like to see my credentials, please go to my web page,

the URL of which is directly below my signature and click on the

Resume and Picture section. 



If you or someone you know has experienced improvement using

natural remedies for arthritis, won't you please contact me as

soon as possible? I am offering a thank you gift to each person

who participates in some productive fashion, even if it's only to

point me to other places where I might place this notice. Thanks

in advance,





-- 

Ellie Kuykendall

Freelance Writer and Editor

"Bloom Where You're Planted"

http://members.xoom.com/elliemk



ARE YOU A FREELANCE WRITER? 

Then you should be a member of the NATIONAL WRITERS UNION!

Web <http://www.nwu.org>, Ph:(212) 254-0279, Email <nwu@nwu.org>





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Subject: Lucky Red Beans

From: catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com>

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:40:52 -0800

--------

from e-mail:

> 

> HELLO;

> 

> I HAVE A BEAN THAT GROWS IN MY YARD. LOCAL NAME IS RED CARIAL BEAN, 

> ITS VERY POSION WILL KILL FIRE ANTS IF BEANS ARE GROUND GREEN IN A 

> LITTLE WATER. TURNS RED WHEN RIPE, HAS A RED FLOWER, FROMS A POT OR 

> STOOL ROOT SYSTEM. I BEEN TOLD THE ROOT IS USED FOR FOOD, ALSO USED IN

> CANCER TREATMENT IN MEXICO AND CENTRAL AMERICA. PLEASE IF YOU CAN,

> SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THIS.



Your description doesn't help me much, and also you don't say where you

live, so i can't tell what climate your bean grows in. A common name

like red coral bean could be applied to several different tropical

beans, for instance Abrus precatorious (also called rosary bean or

precatory bean) or mescal bean. Mescal bean is red all over and

elongated in shape; A. precatorius is round and has a black spot on one

side. Both are poisonous, but A. precatorious is much more so. Both have

been claimed to have medical value, although i cannot vouch for that.

Both are also carried on the person as "lucky" beans, especially in

Mexico, where both can be found in many package amulets and lucky

charms. For more information on these beans, plus links to poages

illustrating their use in folkloric lucky charms and amulets, go to my

page on Lucky Red beans at

     http://www.luckymojo.com/redbeans.html



If anyone can identify your bean, i'd like to know about it. I'm trying

to accumulate more information on the folkloric uses of such beans 



Cordially, 



cat



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Subject: Re: Lucky Red Beans

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:54:26 GMT

--------

catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com> wrote:



>from e-mail:

>> 

>> HELLO;

>> 

>> I HAVE A BEAN THAT GROWS IN MY YARD. LOCAL NAME IS RED CARIAL BEAN, 

>> ITS VERY POSION WILL KILL FIRE ANTS IF BEANS ARE GROUND GREEN IN A 

>> LITTLE WATER. TURNS RED WHEN RIPE, HAS A RED FLOWER, FROMS A POT OR 

>> STOOL ROOT SYSTEM. I BEEN TOLD THE ROOT IS USED FOR FOOD, ALSO USED IN

>> CANCER TREATMENT IN MEXICO AND CENTRAL AMERICA. PLEASE IF YOU CAN,

>> SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THIS.

>

>Your description doesn't help me much, and also you don't say where you

>live, so i can't tell what climate your bean grows in. A common name

>like red coral bean could be applied to several different tropical

>beans, for instance Abrus precatorious (also called rosary bean or

>precatory bean) or mescal bean. Mescal bean is red all over and

>elongated in shape; A. precatorius is round and has a black spot on one

>side. Both are poisonous, but A. precatorious is much more so. Both have

>been claimed to have medical value, although i cannot vouch for that.



Also Erythrina ___ species (coral tree) that grow in San Diego,

Phoenix, and other American sub-tropical areas.  One species is a

small shrubby thing.  All have brillient red flowers and bright

red beans.  Native to Latine America and S.Africa.  Rumored to be

toxic.







>Both are also carried on the person as "lucky" beans, especially in

>Mexico, where both can be found in many package amulets and lucky

>charms. For more information on these beans, plus links to poages

>illustrating their use in folkloric lucky charms and amulets, go to my

>page on Lucky Red beans at

>     http://www.luckymojo.com/redbeans.html

>

>If anyone can identify your bean, i'd like to know about it. I'm trying

>to accumulate more information on the folkloric uses of such beans 

>

>Cordially, 

>

>cat

>

>catherine yronwode ------------------------  mailto:cat@luckymojo.com

>Lucky Mojo Curio Co. http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html

>Lucky W Amulet Archive --------- http://www.luckymojo.com/luckyw.html

>The Sacred Landscape ------- http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredland.html

>Karezza and Sacred Sex ------ http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredsex.html

>Freemasonry for Women ------- http://www.luckymojo.com/comasonry.html

>Comics Warehouse ------ http://www.luckymojo.com/comicswarehouse.html

>news:alt.lucky.w --- discussions on folk magic, luck, amulets, charms



Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: (cringe) need a safe way to kill weeds in the lawn

From: simon J okeeffe <simon_okeeffe@gjames.com.au>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 06:38:08 +0000

--------

Hilary wrote:



> Please forgive me... but my husband, in his desire for a lush, soft lawn,

> wants the weeds gone, including the little mint we discovered late in the

> winter. I probably couldn't have used the mint because he has been spraying

> RoundUp. (I'm hiding my head right now-- Ingrid's going to come hunt me

> down.) Any way is there a natural way I can suggest to him to kill the

> broadleaf weeds in the grass without leaving residual poison? Or is there a

> salt or something we can apply that will kill the stickers too?

>

> --

> Hilary

> ______________________________________________

>

> http://members.xoom.com/practclmagic/

> ______________________________________________



    Try using organic fertilizer and cutting the grass to about 5 cm long. It

should grow out the weeds and be lush and green. I use Dynamic Lifter on mine

(Chicken poo).

I used to use weed and feed but I don't have to any more.







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Subject: Re: (cringe) need a safe way to kill weeds in the lawn

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:57:23 GMT

--------

"Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com> wrote:



>Please forgive me... but my husband, in his desire for a lush, soft lawn,

>wants the weeds gone, including the little mint we discovered late in the

>winter. 

  Round-up is about the safest, for two reasons: 

1. He has to be VERY careful to only apply it to the leaves of

the plants he wants to kill.

2. It breaks down into non-toxic components after less than 24

hours, faster if it hits the soil. 



>Any way is there a natural way I can suggest to him to kill the

>broadleaf weeds in the grass without leaving residual poison?

  The therapeutic, calming way: Get him a weed-killer trowel, one

of those narrow blades with the cutting tip, and have him do

hand-to-hand combat with them. 

Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: (cringe) need a safe way to kill weeds in the lawn

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:32:34 -0700

--------

Hi Hilary,



Only way I know to get rid of the weeds is to dig them up with a trowel.

My yard is one big dandelion patch, actually may need to dig up and start

over! I wouldn't care but me neighbors all have lush grass and I know they

get upset by my weeds.



Ingrid









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Subject: Re: (cringe) need a safe way to kill weeds in the lawn

From: graham walker <katzcom@freeuk.com>

Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 08:26:38 GMT

--------

I use common cooking salt, on dandelions just put some on to the crown of the

plant and in a few days dead.



Patricia Geer wrote:



> it would probably be easier just to get rid of the husband

>

> ma pickle wrote:

>

> > Hi Hilary,

> >

> > Only way I know to get rid of the weeds is to dig them up with a trowel.

> > My yard is one big dandelion patch, actually may need to dig up and start

> > over! I wouldn't care but me neighbors all have lush grass and I know they

> > get upset by my weeds.

> >

> > Ingrid







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Subject: Re: (cringe) need a safe way to kill weeds in the lawn

From: "C. Auvil" <c@auvil.com>

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:32:22 -0700

--------

Boiling water.



Hilary wrote:



> Please forgive me... but my husband, in his desire for a lush, soft lawn,

> wants the weeds gone, including the little mint we discovered late in the

> winter. I probably couldn't have used the mint because he has been spraying

> RoundUp. (I'm hiding my head right now-- Ingrid's going to come hunt me

> down.) Any way is there a natural way I can suggest to him to kill the

> broadleaf weeds in the grass without leaving residual poison? Or is there a

> salt or something we can apply that will kill the stickers too?

>

> --

> Hilary

> ______________________________________________

>

> http://members.xoom.com/practclmagic/

> ______________________________________________











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Subject: Please help! Nasties on my mint!!!

From: "Shiraz" <graphics@icon.co.za>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:15:06 +0100

--------

I was anticipating a pot of mint tea when I noticed that the mint I had

picked was covered (on the underside of the leaves) with lots of nasty

little light-brown many legged bugs!  Does anyone know what to do about this

problem?  Thank you









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Subject: Re: Please help! Nasties on my mint!!!

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:45:55 -0700

--------

sounds like aphids. Try washing the plant with soapy water.  A few drops of

dish soap in water will do.









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Subject: Re: Please help! Nasties on my mint!!!

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 20 May 1999 02:41:58 GMT

--------

>sounds like aphids. Try washing the plant with soapy water.  A few drops of

>dish soap in water will do.

>

>

>



Or be happy that you got all that free meat? 



Belinda





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Subject: Cocoa Leaf Extract 

From: clorest@aol.com (CloresT)

Date: 19 May 1999 16:12:19 GMT

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Does anyone know where I can get some cocoaleaf extract?

My best friend gave me some last year and it stopped my flu 

dead in its tracks! Now she cant remember where she got it 

and I cannot find anyplace that sells it!

PLEASE HELP!





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Subject: Re: Cocoa Leaf Extract

From: "Infomaui" <infomaui@tropicals.com>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:13:05 GMT

--------

If you think Cacao leaves will help why don't you

grow the tree and have a fresh supply at all times.

Email me if interested on purchasing a chocolate

tree seedling.

Good luck, Chris

infomaui@mauigateway.com 



CloresT <clorest@aol.com> wrote in article

<19990519121219.08846.00004270@ng-ch1.aol.com>...

> Does anyone know where I can get some cocoaleaf extract?

> My best friend gave me some last year and it stopped my flu 

> dead in its tracks! Now she cant remember where she got it 

> and I cannot find anyplace that sells it!

> PLEASE HELP!

> 





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Subject: Re Spider bite

From: "Lani Loring" <llhow@wco.com>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:47:42 -0700

--------

Thanks to all of you who responded last week. The bite seems to have almost

disappeared (with no hole in the middle), & my foot is not swollen, just a

tad itchy. I do not normally go running off to the doc, at least to Western

Med. ones, so I guess it's possible that I am an idiot? Hmmm. Life seems OK

to me, actually great! Thanks again for the info.......









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Subject: Endometriosis, biological clock & marital relations--HELP!

From: johnna@interchg.mm.ubc.ca (Miranda's Magic)

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:10:49 GMT

--------

Please make replies directly to this newsgroup.  As my question has to

do with sexuality and I don't want to have my mailbox filled with

wannas, I've scrambled the "reply to" address.  I am not looking for

wannas, so don't waste my time and yours by suggesting all the ways in

which you can "relieve my tension".  



Background: I am a 34 year old woman with endometriosis.  I am

infertile due to an implantation problem related to the progesterone

portion of my wild cycle.  I have been taking vitex for almost 3

months now to deal with the endo (and am hoping it will start showing

signs of helping soon!), as well as taking pain meds.  As if the

infertility and wild cycles weren't enough to show that my hormones

are going crazy, I also suffer from strong PMS, which I treat

reasonably successfully with B6.  



The problem:  I've always had an extremely strong sex drive but over

the last year and a half its gotten to be unbearable.  I am in sexual

overdrive every single day, the only exceptions being when the pain is

so bad that I've got to medicate myself into a stupor.  Short of that,

I'm *always*, ahem, horney, even when I'm suffering mild to moderate

amounts of pain.   I suspect that its my biological clock ticking but

that doesn't make it easier to cope with.  I'm like what I remember

17-19 year old male friends were like, I just can't get enough.  Its

like the "on" switch got flicked and we've never been able to find the

"off".  My husband is 42 and not willing/able/whatever to meet my

unreasonable needs and masturbation only makes me worse.  I will not

consider infidelity and I really am suffering here.  What I'm hoping

is that someone here will be able to suggest an herb or herbal

combination that will subdue my sex drive; heck I don't even mind if

it *kills* my sex drive (my DH would probably be greatly relieved).  



I appreciate any and all *respectful* replies.  (I'm sorry to have to

beat this to death, but even mentioning "sex" on the 'net seems to

bring out the idiots...)

 





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Subject: Re: Endometriosis, biological clock & marital relations--HELP!

From: "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:10:53 GMT

--------

Firstly, the sexual function is a natural (and healthy) function, however it

can be out of balance for many reasons. For this type of balancing, I would

first suggest Chinese medicine, which forthrightly addresses these balances

in sophisticated terms utilizing some basic principles of too much

heat/cold, yin/yang, etc utilizing herbs and acupuncture balancing the

energies and hormones according to your unique constitutional circumstances.



In general, be sure to reduce irritants in your diet (especially garlic,

black pepper, and onions) as is recommended in yoga. Cooling foods and herbs

such as fruits and detoxifying herbs such as goldenseal as well as

anti-inflammatory herbs (perhaps marshmallow and plantain) may produce the

cooling that you desire. I have seen "stuck energy" in the pelvis become

relieved through detox diets, detox herbs, high fiber diets (whole foods),

increasing the ration of raw food to cooked (live enzymes), extra intake of

liquids, a simple colonic or a herbal enema, a chiropractic adjustment,

and/or the elimination of the yang/ heat producing foods i.e., meat, most

grains, and legumes. Experiment to see if less protein cools the system.

Here it is more important in congestive states of "dis-ease" to eliminate

the consumption or exposure to the corruptive agents (irritants, toxins,

congestive causes, etc), rather than to simply just add another miracle

"therapeutic" pill or capsule in the cauldron.



Lastly, I most strongly would suggest engaging in therapeutic exercises that

are designed to work on the glands, organs, and nervous system such as yoga,

tai chi, or chi gong. These should be highly beneficial to circulate the

energy, nourish the body, and balance the mind. I can honestly say that I

have seen all of the above "work" for some people in this regard, but we all

are unique. We live as part of one big wholistic system and there are many

things that work synergistically along with nature's herbs.  I hope this

opens some possibilities. Perhaps some of the more advanced herbal people

who hang out here, can suggest specific herbs that would address more

specifically your specific reproductive system, of which is not my

expertise.













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Subject: Re: Endometriosis, biological clock & marital relations--HELP!

From: dont.call.me@ill.call.u (Codeman)

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 01:19:13 GMT

--------

Preface: I'm not a doctor. Here are a two ideas.



I've read several reports that female endurance athletes will stop

having menstrual cycles. Does a loss of sex drive accompany this? I

have no idea, but it obviously affects the hormonal cycle. 



As a male, I can empathize with your husband. If he is amenable, there

are herbs and drugs that can boost male sex drive to herculean levels.

I've tried a combination of Yohimbe and Viagra, with stunning results.

Nobody should do this daily. As an occasional marital aid, it could

result in eight or more hours of bliss - multiple times, not non-stop

:).  Even an occasional satiation may help you. Not recommended if he

has high blood pressure or heart trouble.



Good luck.





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Subject: Re: Endometriosis, biological clock & marital relations--HELP!

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 20 May 1999 11:46:39 GMT

--------

>Preface: I'm not a doctor. Here are a two ideas.

>

>I've read several reports that female endurance athletes will stop

>having menstrual cycles. Does a loss of sex drive accompany this? I

>have no idea, but it obviously affects the hormonal cycle. 

>





Female athletes stop menstrating because of a lack of fat. My guess is that

training that hard would make them less likely to be interested in sex, much as

any hardworking person might be "too tired tonight." But that's only my guess.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Endometriosis, biological clock & marital relations--HELP!

From: pah6@cde.psu.edu (Phyllis Harbst)

Date: 21 May 1999 17:29:50 GMT

--------

This is not an herbal solution, but perhaps a low-dose birth control

pill will help. Should regulate the estrogen helping both the endo and

drive.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: Phyllis Harbst <pah6@cde.psu.edu>

Subject: Re: Endometriosis, biological clock & marital relations--HELP!

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:01:38 -0400

--------

I missed the original post, but if someone's looking for some thoughts on

dealing herbally with endometriosis, check out my short article (with a

couple of good links) on vitex and endometriosis at

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/vitex.html



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



Phyllis Harbst wrote:



> This is not an herbal solution, but perhaps a low-dose birth control

> pill will help. Should regulate the estrogen helping both the endo and

> drive.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Endometriosis, biological clock & marital relations--HELP!

From: "Ray O'Brien" <obrien7@gte.net>

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:52:49 GMT

--------



Miranda's Magic <johnna@interchg.mm.ubc.ca> wrote in message

news:37430ca0.48670403@news.interchange.ubc.ca...

> Please make replies directly to this newsgroup.  As my question has to

> do with sexuality and I don't want to have my mailbox filled with

> wannas, I've scrambled the "reply to" address.  I am not looking for

> wannas, so don't waste my time and yours by suggesting all the ways in

> which you can "relieve my tension".

>

> I appreciate any and all *respectful* replies.  (I'm sorry to have to

> beat this to death, but even mentioning "sex" on the 'net seems to

> bring out the idiots...)

> **

Because of all the meds that you are on, I tend to shy away from offering

advice.

The best thing to offer you as a supp. is as follows



1 1/2 Tsp Tarragon in 1 3/4 C of boiled water, steep 40 minutes

drink warm.



tough thing about your situation is herbal / drug interaction.

this is not to discourage you

and use common sense as in all things.

any more info I find , I'll post for you









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: How to find a good doctor?

From: lookin_n_learnin@my-dejanews.com

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:05:56 GMT

--------

Are there any directories of good doctors?



Most doctors will give you a quickie exam and toss you out the door with

an antibiotic prescription. On the other hand, I don't want a new-age

hippie faux doctor either.



Any suggestions?





--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--

---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sawpalmetto and Cancer

From: "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:57:09 GMT

--------

Just received this from my local newsletter source. Maybe it already hit

nationally and ya'll already heard it, but it's a bit encouraging to see

that some of this information that the ancients knew about and used for

thousands of years is finally being recognized

by "the scientific" news media.



 SAN FRANCISCO -- Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco

say an herbal compound is effective in reducing prostate specific antigen

(PSA) levels in some men with prostate cancer. Dr. Eric Small, co-author of

the study, says 75 percent of the men in a recent study experienced a

decline of more than 50 percent in their PSA levels after using the compound

called PC-SPES.



The compound is a combination of eight Chinese herbs, including saw

palmetto. It is available at health food stores as an over-the-counter

supplement for the treatment of prostate cancer. The study, which is

considered preliminary, included 61 men.

Small said the researchers have not yet pinpointed the active anti- cancer

ingredient in the compound. The research was presented yesterday to the

American Society of Clinical Oncology at a meeting in Atlanta.



Source: Bay City News



You can also find this news release for a limited time at

http://www.bayinsider.com/news/1999/05/19/prostate.html











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.drugs

Subject: Re: Sawpalmetto and Cancer

From: carcinogen@hotbot.com

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 03:48:56 GMT

--------

On Wed, 19 May 1999 23:57:09 GMT, "Greenlight"

<sahajayoga@netscape.net> wrote:



>Just received this from my local newsletter source. Maybe it already hit

>nationally and ya'll already heard it, but it's a bit encouraging to see

>that some of this information that the ancients knew about and used for

>thousands of years is finally being recognized

>by "the scientific" news media.

>

> SAN FRANCISCO -- Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco

>say an herbal compound is effective in reducing prostate specific antigen

>(PSA) levels in some men with prostate cancer. Dr. Eric Small, co-author of

>the study, says 75 percent of the men in a recent study experienced a

>decline of more than 50 percent in their PSA levels after using the compound

>called PC-SPES.



one of the frequent treatments for prostate cancer is a bilateral

orchiectomy to reduce hormone levels, leaving men at risk of the same

problems of as post menapausal women such as bone thinning and hot

flashes. If any of you guys are looking for good pain killers, get a

prosectomy, post operative they start you off with morphine drip then

move you onto mild stuff like vicodin and percocet. Preoperative you

can get some potent anti depressants and sleeping pills.



>The compound is a combination of eight Chinese herbs, including saw

>palmetto. It is available at health food stores as an over-the-counter

>supplement for the treatment of prostate cancer. The study, which is

>considered preliminary, included 61 men.

>Small said the researchers have not yet pinpointed the active anti- cancer

>ingredient in the compound. The research was presented yesterday to the

>American Society of Clinical Oncology at a meeting in Atlanta.



has anyone using saw palmento noticed a change in their sex drive?





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Subject: Herb name/use

From: William & Ella Mae Fox <emwfox@icx.net>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:41:38 -0400

--------

Years ago, I remember gathering, as best as I can remember, a small,

white flower that was called 'dog fennal'.  The spelling may not be

right.



Is there a 'proper' name for this?  What is it used for?



William











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Subject: Re: Wormwood Tea

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 20 May 1999 02:41:14 GMT

--------

>Dear afh:

>

>I'm relatively new to the herbal scene, and I have a very specific

>question related to 'parasite flushing'.

>

>There are products out there, such as 'Clear', which contain various

>and sundry combinations of herbs.  Each product claims to create in the

>user's body an unhealthy environment for parasites.

>

>I did some very amateur research and I found that each of these

>products contained wormwood.  "Ok," I think, "I'm gonna just march

>right down to the health food store and get me some."  So, I head on

>down there, and got a baggie of dried wormwood. I've made some tea and

>discovered it's oh so lovely bitter flavor right off the bat.

>

>This morning, I read the FAQ for this ng, and found that wormwood was

>used in all sorts of ways.

>

>Now, all I want is a flushing of parasites out of my system.  (I have

>eaten lots of rare meat before I wanted to 'get healthy')  Herbs, I

>know, can help this process, but I want to know how to do it 'best'.

>

>Need I continue to wretch my way thru wormwood tea after wormwood tea 3-

>5x a day for the next month?  Or, as some associates of mine assert,

>would a 'colon flush' be more effective?

>

>

>Mike



Well Mike, at my house we flush the toilet not the colon. What parasites have

you got? Did you really drink wormwood tea?



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Wormwood Tea

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:54:23 GMT

--------

mike_horvath@yahoo.com wrote:





>Now, all I want is a flushing of parasites out of my system.  (I have

>eaten lots of rare meat before I wanted to 'get healthy')  

  For starters, EXACTLY which "parasites" do you have and how

were they diagnosed?  Once we know that, we can give better

advice.  



  and FYI, a "colon flush"will merely rid you of excess cash in

the wallet, because most intestinal parasites are in the small

intestine.





Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Wormwood Tea

From: mike_horvath@yahoo.com

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:53:22 GMT

--------

In article <3743e964.36914352@news.primenet.com>,

  abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:

> mike_horvath@yahoo.com wrote:

>

> >Now, all I want is a flushing of parasites out of my system.  (I have

> >eaten lots of rare meat before I wanted to 'get healthy')

>   For starters, EXACTLY which "parasites" do you have and how

> were they diagnosed?  Once we know that, we can give better

> advice.

>

>   and FYI, a "colon flush"will merely rid you of excess cash in

> the wallet, because most intestinal parasites are in the small

> intestine.

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional!

>



Yes I did in fact drink the tea, and ate the leaves afterward.  I am

laughing at myself, as it seems the following applies:



1:  (My worst mistake)  I did not check here first.

2:  I've elevated my candidacy for the 'Clean the gene pool' award.

3:  I get 5 cool points for eagerness, and -10 for ignorance.

4:  I have had no diagnosis, as it was explained to me like this:

"It's healthy to do a system purge once every 6 months, and if you've

never done one, you'll feel like a new man".



My gullibility will shine forth like the sun as I make this posting,

but hey, we all started somewhere.



--

Mike Horvath





--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--

---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---





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Subject: Re: Wormwood Tea

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 20 May 1999 22:37:27 GMT

--------

Hey Mike,



Next time you feel you need to be punished just go out and cut some nettle and

beat yourself with it. :-)



Belinda





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Wormwood Tea

From: dharmakaya@webtv.net (dharma kaya)

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:48:33 -0400 (EDT)

--------

hiya friend.....my first reaction to this was really the part about

eating rare meat to get healthy???...please correct me if i have

misunderstood you?...ok, so you should definitely never eat raw meat,

unless of course you want to suffer from alien intrusion(bacteria,

parasites, steroids, etc.)and furthermore wash your hands and your food

and counters(with bleach if so)lol.....do not wash your food with

bleach...and if you want try some burdock tea

or maybe some pau d'arco~~~>boil the bark or roots and a little ginger

or peppermint ..

~~~~~~~~~~~~>good luck







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Subject: Re: Wormwood Tea

From: carcinogen@hotbot.com

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 03:59:03 GMT

--------

wormwood tea and abinsthe liquor can cause some nasty nervous system

damage if used too frequently, and death if taken at too high a

dosage. Be careful.



On Wed, 19 May 1999 14:03:58 GMT, mike_horvath@yahoo.com wrote:



>I'm relatively new to the herbal scene, and I have a very specific

>question related to 'parasite flushing'.

>

>There are products out there, such as 'Clear', which contain various

>and sundry combinations of herbs.  Each product claims to create in the

>user's body an unhealthy environment for parasites.

>

>I did some very amateur research and I found that each of these

>products contained wormwood.  "Ok," I think, "I'm gonna just march

>right down to the health food store and get me some."  So, I head on

>down there, and got a baggie of dried wormwood. I've made some tea and

>discovered it's oh so lovely bitter flavor right off the bat.

>

>This morning, I read the FAQ for this ng, and found that wormwood was

>used in all sorts of ways.

>

>Now, all I want is a flushing of parasites out of my system.  (I have

>eaten lots of rare meat before I wanted to 'get healthy')  Herbs, I

>know, can help this process, but I want to know how to do it 'best'.

>

>Need I continue to wretch my way thru wormwood tea after wormwood tea 3-

>5x a day for the next month?  Or, as some associates of mine assert,

>would a 'colon flush' be more effective?







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: what herb is BEST ANTI ANXIETY HERB

From: oiad@blkbox.com (ahr)

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 04:08:18 GMT

--------

what herb is BEST ANTI ANXIETY HERB



and what kind should one get and what dosage for someone with bad

anxiety (could not afford to pay for anxiety drugs)









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Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition,sci.med.diseases.cancer,uk.people.health

Subject: Essiac Questions and Answers

From: Anne Harris <asharris@essiac-info.org>

Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:31:43 -0600

--------

Essiac Questions and Answers

By Anne Harris, http://essiac-info.org

mailto:asharris@essiac-info.org

May 19, 1999



1. Why are you posting this?



* For keyword "Essiac", search engines turn up marketers (more than 50)

who present limited and biased information, hype and too often, very

high prices. One purpose of my essiac information site is to help people

avoid being ripped off by marketers.

(http://essiac-info.org/ethics.html)



* When people submit the word "Essiac" in Yahoo, the first result is Dr.

Paul Gaulin's members.aol.com/~essiac site. In my opinion, this

marketer's ethics are deplorable.

(http://essiac-info.org/scam.html)



* Yahoo first page results for keyword "cancer information" show many

links to "Cancer Information and Support International"

(cancer-info.com), which is not a source of non-commercial cancer

information but promotes site owner Bill Baker's essiac product. In my

opinion, this is "stealth" marketing.

(http://essiac-info.org/stealth.html)



* Dr. Gary L. Glum garners trust because he wrote the popular essiac

book "Calling of An Angel". In my opinion, his essiac prices are

outrageous. (http://essiac-info.org/comment3.html)



2. So what is "essiac"?



Essiac (pronounced es-ee-ack) is an unproven herbal tea remedy that's

been around for almost 80 years and is made using certain amounts of

Burdock root, Sheep Sorrel, Slippery Elm bark and Turkey or Indian

rhubarb root. (http://essiac-info.org/herbs.html)



3. Why does it have such an odd name?



Canadian nurse Rene Caisse (pronounced reen-case) named it Essiac after

the backward spelling of her last name in 1922. She claimed the recipe

originally came from an Ojibwa medicine man and she treated terminal

cancer patients and others with it for some 50 years before she died in

1978.



4. Was Essiac ever popular in Canada back then?



For a time she had a clinic in Bracebridge, Ontario, enthusiastic

support by some doctors and in 1983 a Bill was introduced in the Ontario

Legislature to permit Rene Caisse to legally operate her clinic and

administer her treatment. It failed by 3 votes.

(http://essiac-info.org/history.html)



5. Did this Rene Caisse make money from her Essiac?



She never charged or was paid any money for her tea and kept her formula

secret because she was afraid unscrupulous marketers might get it.

Rene's hopes were that her remedy would ultimately  (1) be affordable by

anyone and (2) clinically validated. Both hopes have yet to come into

being: few products are reasonably priced and essiac has not been

validated by scientific testing.



6. Why do you say "essiac" sometimes instead of "Essiac"?



The name Essiac is a trademarked product, while the generic word

"essiac" encompasses the remedy in general, unspecified products and

home made tea. (http://essiac-info.org/lecture.html).



7. What does essiac do?



Supporters are of the opinion that it strengthens and enables the immune

system to fight and overcome some adverse conditions -- the body healing

itself -- but no one really knows and essiac has never been subjected to

this kind of scientific research.



8. But does essiac really work sometimes?



The FDA and FTC are concerned about health claims made on essiac

marketer sites and essiac is generally regarded as a "quack remedy" by

most conventional medical sources with the typical observation, "There

is simply no credible evidence that it works". 

(http://essiac-info.org/essiac2.html#Research)



Anecdotal recovery stories continue to attract new users for use with

conventional treatment or in desperate situations. The stories are

inspiring but usually poorly documented. 

(http:// essiac-info.org/essiac2.html#Testimony)

(http://essiac-info.org/poordoc.html)



9. Are there any books available about essiac?



Yes. See http://essiac-info.org/books.html for a listing and two more

books are due out this year. Some marketers offer "online essiac books"

which are biased and self-promoting.



10. Do people who take essiac do anything else?



People attracted to essiac are usually into other unproven alternative

remedies, dietary supplements (vitamins/minerals), nutritional regimes

(http://essiac-info.org/Whitaker.html) and some people cut down on red

meat and fat or become vegetarians.



11. How much does essiac cost?



Thought you'd never ask. It costs anywhere from 32 a pint home made to

*gasp* $40 a pint commercial. In displaying marketer information/prices,

I also show bottled volume, dry weight of herb mix and tea yield, with

consumer cost per ounce in red.

(http://essiac-info.org/prices.html)



12. How is essiac tea sold, what forms does it come in?



It comes bottled and ready to take, or as a dry herb mix that is brewed

using a stainless steel kettle and distilled water. People can also buy

bulk herbs from herb suppliers (of botanicals for the huge dietary

supplement industry) and make their own essiac.



13. So I get the herbs and make my own essiac tea?



Many people start with a bottled product (or a commercial dry mix to get

the hang of brewing) and then get into making their own using

inexpensive bulk herbs. Essiac tea is usually made 1-2 gallons at a time

and stored in amber bottles in a cool, dark place. Once opened, a bottle

must be refrigerated.

http://essiac-info.org/bulk.html  

http://essiac-info.org/recipes.html

http://essiac-info.org/bottles.html



14. Are there any side effects from taking essiac?



Based on anecdotal stories from the past 77 years, essiac appears

remarkably safe to take if there are no complicating health conditions

present. These include kidney problems because of the presence of oxalic

acid in the rhubarb. Pregnant or lactating women traditionally have been

cautioned not take essiac.

(http://essiac-info.org/caution.html)



15. But can essiac be taken during chemo and/or radiation?



From http://essiac-info.org/findings.html: "Apparently, essiac doesn't

interfere with conventional medications or treatments (but don't take

essiac and prescribed medications together)."



16. Is essiac only for sick people?



Some healthy people take 1-2 ounces per day as "a preventative" and some

people use it on pets diagnosed as having cancer.

(http://essiac-info.org/pets.html)



17. How does a person take it? 



A few ounces of essiac are drunk 1-3 times a day and nothing else is

eaten or drunk 2 hours before and after (there is disagreement about

that). It can be taken diluted and taken hot or cold (more

disagreement). It tastes like boiled weeds (no disagreement). 



18. Are there any other disagreements concerning essiac? 



Yes. There is disagreement about the validity of the "secret" recipe

Gary Glum released in his 1988 book (which spawned the marketers) and

the dispute over the trademarked name. There are recipe variations and

even disagreement about whether Turkey or Indian rhubarb is best and how

much to take per day. Sigh... there is controversy or some disagreement

concerning almost every aspect of essiac.



19. Isn't giving links to only your own site rather arrogant?



Considering the number of impartial, substantial sites available that

cover all aspects of essiac, no. The site also has links to about

everything and everybody discussing essiac on the internet. 



20. Do you believe in essiac yourself?



I liken my belief in essiac to my belief in UFOs and NDEs (Near Death

Experiences) based on...



[1] Many testimonies and reports for many years with 

[2] No factual and indisputable evidence, 

[3] No official investigations (except those supporting denial by

    authorities and powers that be), while continuing to hope that 

[4] Someday factual and indisputable evidence may surface.



Thank you and your feedback is invited.

mailto:asharris@essiac-info.org



First posted May 9, 1999:

misc.health.alternative

alt.support.cancer

alt.folklore.herbs

sci.med.nutrition

sci.med.diseases.cancer





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Rami (sp?) for memory.

From: simon J okeeffe <simon_okeeffe@gjames.com.au>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 06:59:20 +0000

--------



I heard about an Indian herb called Rami (sp?). (Sounds like RAH-me)

It is supposed to be ale to increase memory retention and recall.

There was a story on the news about a football player who was injured in

a tackle.

His memory was shot to pieces and his aunt heard about this indian herb

called Rami (sp?). She took the herb first and noticed only positive

effects then her nephew  took it and was complely recovered.  Not sure

of the timespan of the treatment.



This is all second hand information so please take with a grain of salt.



Any one out there have any more information on this herb for me as it

sounds very interesting.



Thanks



Simon.







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Subject: Help with Plantar Warts Sought

From: "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:06:33 GMT

--------

Well I've prided myself too much in being "smart" enough to heal myself, but

lately have become humbled mostly with skin conditions. I am seeking advice

on how to remove and prevent the recurrence of plantar warts. Never had any

warts until last year, then only a few stubborn ones mostly near the balls

of the foot, which I religiously tried to treat for many months 3 times a

day with peppermint oil,  wintergreen oil,  thuja oil, thuja extract, thyme

oil, and celandine extract. No I didn't use them all at once but sometimes

used them in the same day. Nothing really worked (but it didn't get worse

either)  until I made up a very strong alcohol (2 week) extract of mandrake

root and then it dissolved the wart within three weeks.



However, this time a new wart snuck up on me at the heel and is very painful

when I walk. I tried the mandrake this time with zero results (for two weeks

2 to 3 times a day). I also tried the wintergreen and all the others with no

noticeable results. From other people I realize that results can take

months, but my questions are:



1) shouldn't I be experiencing some reduction of the wart (and pain) within

two weeks if the remedy is going to work or was I just lucky the first time?



2) my circulation to the foot seems to be impaired (often a bit swollen) and

I'm very vulnerable to athletes foot. Is there a known folk treatment for

the overall health of the foot?



3) Is there anything systemic (like a tea taken internally) that may be good

to reduce or prevent recurrence?



4) Does anyone know of any effective herbal/natural topical remedy that I

haven't tried yet?



The mandrake extract is less than one year old and was stored in a dark

herbal cabinet. Could that be weakened already?  Lastly, I do much physical

exercise without shoes, so the foot, toes, and ankles get a work out also, I

do not use shoes in the house, and I massage my feet regularly (foot

reflexology and acupressure).



A, grateful and would appreciate any sharing in this regard!

Don









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Subject: Re: Help with Plantar Warts Sought

From: simon J okeeffe <simon_okeeffe@gjames.com.au>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:26:57 +0000

--------

>

> 4) Does anyone know of any effective herbal/natural topical remedy that I

> haven't tried yet?



Try some Dandelion sap. Break the head off just where the stem meets the

flower.

Make sure the fresh sap covers the wart. It should go brown. A few weeks of

that and you should see some results.











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Plantar Warts Sought

From: Ruiseart agus Ceit <raven@networx.net.au>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:07:03 +0800

--------





Greenlight wrote:

> <snipped>

>  I am seeking advice

> on how to remove and prevent the recurrence of plantar warts. 

> Don



Don don't laugh at this.....slice a potato and rub the fleshy side on

the wart. Should only take a few days for the warts to die and fall out.

[ordinary warts take 1 to 2 days]. Seriously, it really does work.

Ceit

-- 

Sla\inte Mhath

Ruiseart agus Ceit /|\

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/1328/

http://members.networx.net.au/~raven/ravenswing.htm

http://members.networx.net.au/~raven/Angus.htm

http://members.networx.net.au/~raven/index.html

ICQ#2541749





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To: Greenlight <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Subject: Re: Help with Plantar Warts Sought

From: d <sweetgrass@earthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:00:49 +0000

--------

I used to get plantars warts alot when I was young (I'm a barefootin girl ;-)

however, once I started taking Vit A and D as well as Vit E supplements, I

haven't had any problems.  Occasionally I get warts on my fingers, but its

usually because I have been lax on taking my supplements.  While Vitamin E

applied directly to my plantar warts never seemed to help, it did seem to help

the "other" warts on my fingers ... altho it may have just been the increased

intake of A, E.

	Since you seem to to indicate skin/circulation problems in general, if you

arent against taking vitamin supplements, I strongly suggest you try the

aforementioned.  Vit E is good for promoting good circulation (among other

things) and Vit. A helps keep skin healthy (among other things ...)



Hope this helps.  If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me.



-d





Greenlight wrote:

> 

> Well I've prided myself too much in being "smart" enough to heal myself, but

> lately have become humbled mostly with skin conditions. I am seeking advice

> on how to remove and prevent the recurrence of plantar warts.

> 

 

> 2) my circulation to the foot seems to be impaired (often a bit swollen) and

> I'm very vulnerable to athletes foot. Is there a known folk treatment for

> the overall health of the foot?

> 

> 3) Is there anything systemic (like a tea taken internally) that may be good

> to reduce or prevent recurrence?

>







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Subject: enlarged uterus

From: "Jacqui McIntosh" <jacqui@bayberry.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:01:18 +0100

--------

Any suggestions for herbs that are good for an enlarged uterus. A friend has

been advised that she needs a hysterectomy in two weeks because her uterus

is enlarged. i suggfested she got a second opinion quick! She is a healer

herself and has felt that she has been clearing much in that area.



Jacqui









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: colds

From: "Jacqui McIntosh" <jacqui@bayberry.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:12:50 +0100

--------

i have found myself with yet another cold. I am sure it is due to



1. Air conditioning at work...everyone looks ill and pasty all of the

time..still i am only there until october and then I leave to do my MSc at

uni

2. Not enough exercise

3. Our house is too hot due to the central heating



Any tips to boost my immune sytem. I eat well, take echinacea ever so often.

But i would rather prevent than have to be drinking cleavers and nettles or

elder flower, yarrow and peppermint everytime sniffles strike!



I think things will be aleviated slightly when I leave my job, there is a

sports hall right within the uni campus and also i will be doing something i

really enjoy, rather than doing a crap job just to save money...think that

has a lot to do with it.



Jacqui











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HCV Regime

From: krispy1@earthlink.net (Chris Poma)

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:10:34 GMT

--------





Is anyone here useing, have or heard of a good herbal regime for HVC?



thanks!



Chris







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Newsgroups: alt.magick.marketplace,alt.lucky.w,rec.gambling.misc,alt.gambling,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gambleers' Charms and Herbs

From: catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:17:34 -0800

--------

Most gamblers try to figure out and beat the mathematical odds, but it

is also true that many gamblers have a strong belief in luck, and for

this purpose they make use of traditional folk-magic lucky charms,

herbs, and amulets -- such as rabbit feet, badger teeth, rattlesnake

rattles, John the Conqueror root, lucky hand root, lodestones, magnetic

sand, alligator teeth, alligator feet, nutmegs, and the like. 



In the American South, it is especially common foir gamblers to carry a

lucky mojo hand -- a red flannel bag containing such natural curios as a

John the Conqueror root, a lucky hand root, five finger grass, cinnamon

bark, pyrite, and a black cat or horseshoe charm. 



Some folks dress the bag and their gambling money with traditional

herb-based anointing oils such as Fast Luck, Black Cat, Attraction,

Money Drawing, Three Jacks and a King, Money Stay With Me, or Van Van.

They may also wear these fragrant oils as personal perfumes while in the

casino. The oils contain a variety of herbs widely reputed to be capable

of drawing or keeeping money, among them five finger grass, alfalfa,

alkanet, cinnamon bark, sassafras root bark, and Irish moss, 



Other people like to perform a candle burning ritual (using a green

candle dressed with any of the above-named oils) before going out to

play, or they might "train" their gambling money by keeping it under

spcially prepared naturally magnetic lodestones and magnetic sand. 



Still others believe that before buying lottery tickets or playing the

slots, they will do better if they scent themselves with Hoyt's Cologne

or wash their hands with an herbal preparation such as Gambler's Gold,

which contains seven "lucky" golden herbs, including chamolmile,

coreopsis, and calendula. 



Even gamblers who don't consider themselves "occultists" may believe in

the power of a lucky keychain, from which dangles a aminiature slot

machine, a horseshoe, a four-leaf clover charm, or a rabbit foot. 



If you want to learn more about gambling customs around the world, go to

the Lucky W Amulet Archive, a free, non-commerical online encyclopedia

(300 pages so far) about folk-magic charms and talismans from all

cultures and eras. There is a special page on "Gambler's Luck," which

contains links to several dozen subsidiary pages, each illustrating and

explaining how people in variuous regions have used the above-named

lucky gambler's amulets and herbal preparations. The URL is

     http://www.luckymojo.com/gamblersluck.html



For those interested in purchasing such items, the Amulet Archive's

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Subject: Rose water question.

From: Bumba <Bumba@home.in.ca>

Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:12:05 -0400

--------

Hi.

I have a question about the difference between Rose oils and Rose Water.

From what part of the plant and at what time do you get Rose Water as

opposed to Rose oils? What are the general uses for the less potent Rose

Water compared to Rose extracts?



I'm new to this world of herbal uses and would appreciate info from real

people and not the marketing pitches from 'hop-on-the-bandwagon'

pharmaceutical companies.



Thanks in advance:)

Bumba.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rose water question.

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:42:29 GMT

--------

Rose Water and Rose Oil are produced the same way, at the same time.  Water

is heated to steam and is passed through rose petals in a sealed system.

The steam then passes to a condenser where it is cooled and condenses as

rose water, which is saturated with as much rose oil as will dissolve in it.

Any excess rose oil (beyond what will dissolve in the water) forms on the

surface of the condensate.  In the original systems (at least) the same

water was reused again and again to distill new batches of petals, because

the water that has run through the still is already saturated with rose oil

and will absorb no more; hence the yield of oil goes up.  Since the oil is

*much* more valuable than the rose water, I believe this remains common

practice (though for all I know they may be using other solvents like

ethanol these days).



I believe rose water is mainly used for it's mild astringent properties.

Probably Henriette or one of our other gentle ladies could tell you more, as

it is I believe still mostly used as a cosmetic.



-Rich



Bumba <Bumba@home.in.ca> wrote in message

news:3744A4D4.33680986@home.in.ca...

> Hi.

> I have a question about the difference between Rose oils and Rose Water.

> From what part of the plant and at what time do you get Rose Water as

> opposed to Rose oils? What are the general uses for the less potent Rose

> Water compared to Rose extracts?

>

> I'm new to this world of herbal uses and would appreciate info from real

> people and not the marketing pitches from 'hop-on-the-bandwagon'

> pharmaceutical companies.

>

> Thanks in advance:)

> Bumba.

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rose water question.

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:44:27 GMT

--------

"Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>and will absorb no more; hence the yield of oil goes up.  Since the oil is

>*much* more valuable than the rose water, I believe this remains common

>practice (though for all I know they may be using other solvents like

>ethanol these days).

>

>I believe rose water is mainly used for it's mild astringent properties.



Yes. Also, (fragrant) rose petals are mood elevators. And the rose water has the

same scent as the rose oil, even if less concentrated, so it's used to improve

scents.



...I've made tincture of rose petals. Tastes like perfume ;)



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Req. Inf. on Aloe (Am I in the right N.G?)

From: "John Thompson" <jaytee_@_clear.net.nz>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:40:08 GMT

--------

Looking for information on Aloe Vera. Anything, Cultivation, harvesting,

extraction methods, storage and applications.

Please Help if you are able.  If I am posting to the wrong group could you

put me on the right track please.



Regards John

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: John Thompson <jaytee_@_clear.net.nz>

Subject: Re: Req. Inf. on Aloe (Am I in the right N.G?)

From: d <sweetgrass@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:16:02 +0000

--------

you can find aloe a the plant store, whatever that may be for you.  It is a

common plant.  or better, yet take a baby (with root) from a

friend/acquaintaince/whatever.  Plant it in some soil, water it once a week,

give it some light ... bright diffused, or sun is best ... and it will grow

and multiply ....



Its difficult to kill ... it cannabalizes its own leaves if it doesnt get

watered.  and it can live under most conditions and little light.  Just slice

a leaf off when in need, slice it open lengthwise and apply to burns, pimples,

or whatever use you know of.



That's about all I use it for.



-d







John Thompson wrote:

> 

> Looking for information on Aloe Vera. Anything, Cultivation, harvesting,

> extraction methods, storage and applications.

> Please Help if you are able.  If I am posting to the wrong group could you

> put me on the right track please.

> 

> Regards John

> --

> For spambots only abuse@clear.net.nz

> My Address is jaytee  @clear.net.nz. Remove the two spaces to reply..

> 

> Or Remove the two _ _ in the headers address.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: lemon balm

From: "Mark & Mary Sullivan" <MMSullivan61@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 02:15:56 -0700

--------

Hi,  I'm growing some lemon balm and wondering if anyone can tell me what it

can be used for?  Thanks,  Mary









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lemon balm

From: "Janice F." <janicef@onlink.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:46:06 -0500

--------



Mark & Mary Sullivan <MMSullivan61@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

news:7i318o$3hl$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...

> Hi,  I'm growing some lemon balm and wondering if anyone can tell me what

it

> can be used for?  Thanks,  Mary

>

>Hi Mary!  Just had to comment as lemon balm is a favourite of mine.  I

drink it using fresh leaves in tea, put it in salads and love it added in

with this gullosh thing I make in the summer with pasta, flavoured oil

(ussually garlic grapeseed, lemon-ginger or olive oil will do), fresh peas.

I heat it all up with cheese until its melted, then top with parmasan (sp).

It's a kind of add whatever you feel would be good thing.  I also add other

greens andfresh herbs (lemon thyme is really good etc) from the garden.

Anyway, I have three kids, and find when I'm getting frazzled, nothing calms

me down like fresh lemon balm tea!  In a hurry!  Best of Luck! Janice









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lemon balm

From: "Herb Lady" <herbs@mcmsys.com>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:15:36 -0500

--------



>Mark & Mary Sullivan wrote in message

><7i318o$3hl$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...

>>Hi,  I'm growing some lemon balm and wondering if anyone can tell me what

>it

>>can be used for?  Thanks,  Mary





Lemon balm has a wonderful fragrance, and is great in potpourris, and in

dream pillows.  Also great in a variety of beverages, cold ones as well as

hot tea.  It is also used in cooking, most often in desserts, such as lemon

balm tea cakes, etc.  It is also a beautiful plant in the garden, with nice

pretty green leaves, and makes a nice mound.













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lemon balm

From: Petra <c-p@pacbell.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:27:24 -0700

--------





Peggy Bramlette wrote:



> I used lemon balm as a filler in the herb garden.  It is such a beautiful

> plant.



With a filler in a herb garden you have to be careful. Lemon balmcan easily

take over a garden ;-) But I have to agree it is a beautiful plant

and a great herb. Sprigs of it as garnish in desserts, top your favorite

cheesecake with nice leaves and top with a lemon balm flavored

glace (looks reeeeeaally pretty!!), add to icetea, or make tea out of it,

add to salads and vinaigrettes...Lots of use for lemon balm!

Petra



> The leaves are great in ice tea and lemonade.

> It doesn't dehydrate well.  It brings sweet dreams when you bruise

> the leaves with your fingers and sniff it's fragrance, before sleeping.

> Maybe that's why it also has another name.  "Sweet Melissa!"

>

> pm

>

> Mark & Mary Sullivan wrote in message

> <7i318o$3hl$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...

> >Hi,  I'm growing some lemon balm and wondering if anyone can tell me what

> it

> >can be used for?  Thanks,  Mary

> >

> >











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lemon balm

From: "e.t." <e.thielmann@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:31:22 -0400

--------

I have both lemon and lime balms in one of my borders.  Wonderful aromatic,

for all the reasons mentioned so far.  Now I had really good luck drying

mine.  Stayed strong both in smell and flavor.  My favorite non-tea or salad

use is to press the dried balm into white meats; it's great on both chicken

and pork chops, and while I have not used it on fish, I imagine it would be

wonderful there as well.  I dried mine by cutting it down to the ground at

the end of the summer, rinsed and bound it and hung it from a coat hanger in

my laundry room.  After two or three weeks, crumble the leaves and place in

an airtight spice bottle.



You know, I like the idea of the dream pillow.  I bet the balms and lavender

would work very well together.  How would I go about doing this?



Mark & Mary Sullivan <MMSullivan61@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

news:7i318o$3hl$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...

> Hi,  I'm growing some lemon balm and wondering if anyone can tell me what

it

> can be used for?  Thanks,  Mary

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lemon balm

From: "hvnscnt" <hvnscnt@oknet1.net>

Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 23:13:29 -0700

--------

Mark & Mary,



Lemon balm makes wonderful tea, it was regarded as an elixir of youth in the

18th century, and it reputedly has anti-viral properties. It blends well

with other herbs. It also has a fine lemony aroma and attractive appearance

in the garden, though it can be invasive.



Enjoy it!



God Bless,



Jerry





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Mark & Mary Sullivan <MMSullivan61@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

news:7i318o$3hl$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...

> Hi,  I'm growing some lemon balm and wondering if anyone can tell me what

it

> can be used for?  Thanks,  Mary

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lemon balm

From: Alithea <alithea@mint.net>

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:58:18 +0000

--------

I would hate for anyone to be discouraged to grow Lemon balm because it

was thought to be invasive. I find that the plant does grow bigger each

year and that if allowed to bloom and go to seed, will set seedlings but

neither is difficult to eliminate from the garden. Mature plants should

be divided at least every three years if they don't just die out by that

time (I live in the far North) and seedlings can just be pulled out and

tossed or used to replace old mother plants. This plant is not the

"invasive" associated with mints or comfrey.



Rosemarie





hvnscnt wrote:

> 

> Mark & Mary,

> 

> Lemon balm makes wonderful tea, it was regarded as an elixir of youth in the

> 18th century, and it reputedly has anti-viral properties. It blends well

> with other herbs. It also has a fine lemony aroma and attractive appearance

> in the garden, though it can be invasive.

> 

> Enjoy it!

> 

> God Bless,

> 

> Jerry





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lemon balm

From: xena <xena@cyberhighway.net>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:34:55 -0500

--------

My lemon balm came back this year, and it's still a tiny neat mound like

it was last year.  It did sow some seed, though.  Two little seedlings

came up in the cracks in my patio. I carefully potted them and gave them

to family members who might enjoy the lemony smell.



Xena



Alithea wrote:

> 

> I would hate for anyone to be discouraged to grow Lemon balm because it

> was thought to be invasive. I find that the plant does grow bigger each

> year and that if allowed to bloom and go to seed, will set seedlings but

> neither is difficult to eliminate from the garden. Mature plants should

> be divided at least every three years if they don't just die out by that

> time (I live in the far North) and seedlings can just be pulled out and

> tossed or used to replace old mother plants. This plant is not the

> "invasive" associated with mints or comfrey.

> 

> Rosemarie

> 

> hvnscnt wrote:

> >

> > Mark & Mary,

> >

> > Lemon balm makes wonderful tea, it was regarded as an elixir of youth in the

> > 18th century, and it reputedly has anti-viral properties. It blends well

> > with other herbs. It also has a fine lemony aroma and attractive appearance

> > in the garden, though it can be invasive.

> >

> > Enjoy it!

> >

> > God Bless,

> >

> > Jerry





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Kegel Exercises

From: d <sweetgrass@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:56:44 +0000

--------

Where can I find descriptions of these exercises?  Is there s website which

describes them, a book?



Thanks in advance.



-d







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kegel Exercises

From: rmcconne.NOSPAM@lightlink.com (Robert McConnell)

Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 04:30:56 GMT

--------

Check with any groups promoting natural or drug free childbirth. We

got similar materials from both LaMaze and Bradley instructors. But

that was 18-25 years ago, so the names may have changed.



Bob McConnell

N2SPP



On Fri, 21 May 1999 09:56:44 +0000, d <sweetgrass@earthlink.net>

wrote:



>Where can I find descriptions of these exercises?  Is there s website which

>describes them, a book?

>

>Thanks in advance.

>

>-d







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: premat ejac

From: "dion" <merols@erols.com>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:04:06 -0400

--------

Anyone know of any herbal remedis for premature ejac?

Thnx









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: kidney stones

From: "kipwoods" <kipwoods@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:14:57 -0700

--------

I am looking for herbs that dissolve kidney stones. I am intrested in

finding souces to aquire

the following herbs. Parsley piert (Aphanes arvensis), pellitory of the wall

( Parietaria diffusa or

Parietaria officinalis ) and gravel root (Eupatorium purpureum ). Any help

you can offer in

finding these herbs would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou,

kipwoods@ix.netcom.com











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Stevia

From: "rrochon" <rrochon@clipper.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:04:15 GMT

--------

Anyone know about growing and using stevia? I just bought a plant which

the lady said will get good sized, but it looks wilted. Does it like

full sun, shade, or mixed; lots of water, little water, or what? Also,

I have made extract with vodka and dried stevia powder, but it doesn't

taste all that good. I still use it, but was wondering if anyone had a

way to process it so you did not get the leaffy taste? Any help will be

appreciated. Also, I grow hot peppers. The book says that peppers are

perennial, and I remember when I was a kid in San Antonio a lot of

people had chili piteen (pequin or tipeen) plants in their yards for

years. Mine froze last year here in Oregon, so I guess they would have

to be brought in for the winter. Let me hear from you. Thenks Dick

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,soc.women

Subject: Methods to delay menstruation?

From: basiliam@hotmail*NOSPAMFORME*.com (Jill Duncan)

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:20:11 GMT

--------

My big vacation is in the middle of a red moon for me! Is there any

way I can either delay the onset of menstruation for about 4 days? I'm

a non-smoker, not on any birth control or other hormone

modulators/prescription medications/medical herbs. Average cycle

length is 26 days and the vacation is in a little under a month.



JD

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inconsistent.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,soc.women

Subject: Re: Methods to delay menstruation?

From: "Laura Wilson" <lmwilson@mindspring.com>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 22:01:15 -0400

--------

I'm not sure exactly what will help with this.  Instead of trying to delay

your period, though, you might try seeking a way to bring it on early so

that it's over before you leave for vacation.  Ergot and rasberry spring to

mind, but I'm fairly new to the whole herbal lore thing, so I'm not sure if

either of those is really what you want.



Laura



Jill Duncan <basiliam@hotmail*NOSPAMFORME*.com> wrote in message

news:3745ccfd.33925295@news.teleport.com...

> My big vacation is in the middle of a red moon for me! Is there any

> way I can either delay the onset of menstruation for about 4 days? I'm

> a non-smoker, not on any birth control or other hormone

> modulators/prescription medications/medical herbs. Average cycle

> length is 26 days and the vacation is in a little under a month.

>

> JD

> remove spam trap to reply via email

> please keep all crossposted groups when replying, my newsfeed is awful

> inconsistent.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Book

From: "Edward Lau" <emlau@up.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:32:55 -0500

--------

I'm looking for a James Duke who wrote a book called "The Green Pharmacy".

He was on NPR a few years back and haven't caught him again.

He had a mail address like jamesduke@cpcug.org but Don't know if thats it.

Very interesting man to listen to.

TYVM..,E











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Book

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:49:09 GMT

--------

On Fri, 21 May 1999 16:32:55 -0500, "Edward Lau" <emlau@up.net> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I'm looking for a James Duke who wrote a book called "The Green Pharmacy".



That's not a very good book, if you plan to -use- the information. It's written

by a researcher, not a practitioner, and it shows.



There's a list of good books in the medicinal herbfaq, part 7.



Cheers

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Book

From: "Herb Lady" <herbs@mcmsys.com>

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 21:40:43 -0500

--------



Henriette Kress wrote in message <37474af5.3082567@uutiset.saunalahti.fi>...

>On Fri, 21 May 1999 16:32:55 -0500, "Edward Lau" <emlau@up.net> wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>I'm looking for a James Duke who wrote a book called "The Green Pharmacy".

>





his email is jimduke@cpcug.org or URL: http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke



He lives in Maryland.  His business is called Herbal Vineyard, Inc.













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Book

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 25 May 1999 19:09:35 GMT

--------

In article <7i4jf4$i3r@btc3.up.net>, "Edward Lau" <emlau@up.net> writes:



>I'm looking for a James Duke who wrote a book called "The Green Pharmacy".



You can write to him in care of his publisher, Rodale. He's currently working

on a follow-up to Green Pharmacy for them.



Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: need some help

From: "Lady" <Ladye@nospamearthling.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:57:20 -0500

--------

Anyone know how to get rid of hemorrhoids? I've had these achy protruding

things for about 6 months! Thanks for any help.



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: need some help

From: "louise & mike gourdoux" <lgourdoux@centuryinter.net>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:32:23 -0500

--------



Lady wrote in message <7i4rso$ri3$1@remarQ.com>...

>Anyone know how to get rid of hemorrhoids? I've had these achy protruding

>things for about 6 months! Thanks for any help.



2 things that have helped me with this problem;

   1) drink plenty of water

   2) make sure you are getting enough fiber in your diet. If this is a

problem for you psyllium seed will really help. (But make sure you drink at

least 12 oz of water with it!!!)

   Hope this helps

     Mike G











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: detox

From: Rosemarie Wiseman <rwiseman@NMSU.Edu>

Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:22:41 -0600

--------





a question for a friend...how does one cleanse their body of marijuana in

a way to pass a drug test?  quickest way possible.



rtw









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: detox

From: innocent-bystander@hushmail.com (Jason Baldwin, Innocent Bystander)

Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 23:09:49 GMT

--------

On Fri, 21 May 1999 23:22:41 -0600, Rosemarie Wiseman <rwiseman@NMSU.Edu>

wrote:



>:

>:

>:a question for a friend...how does one cleanse their body of marijuana in

>:a way to pass a drug test?  quickest way possible.

>:

>:rtw

>:

You can't. Unlike most drugs that eliminate themselves from the system

within three days (this even goes for 'hard' drugs like heroin and cocaine,

marijuana stays in the system for 30 days after it is used.  There is no

quick way to eliminate marijuana.  Perhaps if you'd post in alt.drugs or

some other related newsgroups, they might be of more help.



Jay





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: detox

From: carcinogen@hotbot.com

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 03:55:26 GMT

--------

On Sat, 22 May 1999 23:09:49 GMT, innocent-bystander@hushmail.com

(Jason Baldwin, Innocent Bystander) wrote:



>>:a question for a friend...how does one cleanse their body of marijuana in

>>:a way to pass a drug test?  quickest way possible.



>You can't. Unlike most drugs that eliminate themselves from the system

>within three days (this even goes for 'hard' drugs like heroin and cocaine,

>marijuana stays in the system for 30 days after it is used.  There is no

>quick way to eliminate marijuana.  Perhaps if you'd post in alt.drugs or

>some other related newsgroups, they might be of more help.



if your looking for a natural way to get lower detectiable levels of

marijuana more quickly, raise your metabolism by starting a rigourous

physical activity plan. A person who does aerobics, judo, jogging, etc

daily will have drug residues pass out of their system a lot faster

than someone that sits in their lounge chair all day and watches TV.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: detox

From: "Gazmuth" <gazmuth@pd.jaring.my>

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:14:31 +0800

--------

carcinogen@hotbot.com wrote in message

<37526fd5.9288148@news.matt.mec.edu>...

>On Sat, 22 May 1999 23:09:49 GMT, innocent-bystander@hushmail.com

>(Jason Baldwin, Innocent Bystander) wrote:

>

>>>:a question for a friend...how does one cleanse their body of marijuana

in

>>>:a way to pass a drug test?  quickest way possible.



>>You can't.



>if your looking for a natural way to get lower detectiable levels of

>marijuana more quickly, raise your metabolism by starting a rigourous

>physical activity plan.



This is not necessarily the case either.  If you also drink a lot of water,

and do the exercise, then the levels will be decreased due to the amount of

liquid leaving  the body, but the levels of the THC will still be there,

only slightly hidden because of the dilution of the chemical in the water

being expunged.  You will only have made them weaker.  The THC supposedly

stays in the fat cells of the body, and while I can only go by what I

learned in rehab, the fatter you are, and the more marijuana that you smoke,

then the longer the THC stays in your system, for up to 2 months. 30 days is

just the normal amount of time if one is a light smoker of Marijuana.



There are other false ramifications as well.  But generally, the test that

most places use is a poor one, and so it can be fooled with products out on

the market.  If you deal with larger corporations, then they do a gas

chromatograph, and it will show what you used to mask the test. These also

have guidelines, and so the urine has to be within a certain color range,

lest they know you are not giving a "true" representation of the chemicals

being expelled from your system. Wise companies will test 10 people, and

send in the samples of 2 of those tested, and so no one really knows if they

are being tested or not.



The easiest way to pass the test is to .... NOT USE MARIJUANA!  But that is

my opinion only, and it is because I am an addict and alcoholic, and so I do

not get to use any of those things any more.  I quit that 7 1/2 years ago

and am still in recovery, and now, Two days, 11 hours, 4 minutes and 19

seconds later. 159 cigarettes have not been smoked by me and I guess I feel

better about that, too.



And yes, I too believe in freedom of choice, but sometimes the price is high

enough that you have to give into the establishment too.... at least until a

better system comes along.



Gazmuth

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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Is tribulus terrestris a safe supplement?

From: chris@soluna.demon.co.uk

Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 11:53:52 GMT

--------

Hi



I have seen the herb tribulus terrestris advertised as a way to

increase male testosterone levels. Anyone have any feedback?



Chris





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Garlic question...

From: mpd@mindspring.com (Jim)

Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:57:29 GMT

--------

If one does not normally take any garlic supplements and then has a

nice big breakfast of eggs and sausage, will taking a couple of garlic

pills then do anything significant to minimize the bad effects from

the cholesterol and fats? Is there any point in taking it on an "as

needed" basis?







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic question...

From: peacedawge@aol.com (PeaceDawge)

Date: 23 May 1999 03:30:57 GMT

--------

>

>If one does not normally take any garlic supplements and then has a

>nice big breakfast of eggs and sausage, will taking a couple of garlic

>pills then do anything significant to minimize the bad effects from

>the cholesterol and fats? Is there any point in taking it on an "as

>needed" basis?



I would guess not unless you ate like that at every meal thusly taking several

every day at every meal....lol





Peace,

~*Dawge*~







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic question...

From: "robyn james" <robyn@hnhc.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:35:03 +0100

--------

I seem to remember some study somewhere that claimed that taking garlic with

a meal resulted in significantly lower postprandial cholesterol levels than

eating the identical meal without garlic. So if this was true, then yes,

this ad hoc use of garlic would be useful, although obviously not ideal.

Jim wrote in message <7i6cuv$1bv$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net>...

>If one does not normally take any garlic supplements and then has a

>nice big breakfast of eggs and sausage, will taking a couple of garlic

>pills then do anything significant to minimize the bad effects from

>the cholesterol and fats? Is there any point in taking it on an "as

>needed" basis?

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic question...

From: mpd@mindspring.com (Jim)

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:23:29 GMT

--------

Thanks. That's kind of what I was remembering but don't remember where

I came across the information, much less if it could be trusted to be

accurate. Guess I'll keep looking occasionally for some more research.

Appreciate your input.



"robyn james" <robyn@hnhc.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:



>I seem to remember some study somewhere that claimed that taking garlic with

>a meal resulted in significantly lower postprandial cholesterol levels than

>eating the identical meal without garlic. So if this was true, then yes,

>this ad hoc use of garlic would be useful, although obviously not ideal.

>Jim wrote in message <7i6cuv$1bv$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net>...

>>If one does not normally take any garlic supplements and then has a

>>nice big breakfast of eggs and sausage, will taking a couple of garlic

>>pills then do anything significant to minimize the bad effects from

>>the cholesterol and fats? Is there any point in taking it on an "as

>>needed" basis?

>>













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: comfrey root vs leaf

From: "Polkinghorne" <polkyfam@inreach.com>

Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 11:23:38 -0700

--------

I just made a salve with comfrey root for skin healing purposes - should I

have used the leaf instead? Is the root harmful? New to this...

Thx, Dina









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: comfrey root vs leaf

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 05:19:12 GMT

--------

On Sat, 22 May 1999 11:23:38 -0700, "Polkinghorne" <polkyfam@inreach.com> wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>I just made a salve with comfrey root for skin healing purposes - should I

>have used the leaf instead? Is the root harmful? New to this...



You get more zing from your comfrey if you use the leaf in salve, rather than

the root. More easily accessible constituents.

Internally, of course, there's the comfrey controversy. It's in the medicinal

herbfaq.



Cheers

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleep

From: (psi)

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:18:50 GMT

--------

"louise & mike gourdoux" <lgourdoux@centuryinter.net> wrote:



>Hi Mg

>   I'm not an expert or anything, but I suffer from insomnia and can let you

>know what helps me. 1 450mg valerian will put me to sleep about 70% of the

>time with no morning after effect. 2 450mg valerians will always put me to

>sleep, but I will be groggy throughout the next morning. If I am REALLY

>stressed out I take 1 450mg valerian with 1 3mg melatonin and this will get

>me to sleep about 80% of these bad times.

>   Hope this helps.

>          Mike



I always take 2 Kava Kava and 1 Melatonin, and I'm out like a light

and wake up fresh.  I'll add 1 Valerian 1 hour before if I've had an

emotional day.  This works for me, anyway.

>

>B2Keep wrote in message <19990414065052.22539.00000374@ng126.aol.com>...

>>Could someone please tell me of a herb that helps with insomnia, I was

>recently

>>widowed and cannot sleep very well now. I really need some help with this.

>>Also, there was something on here recently about Sweet Basil helping to

>keep

>>warm, any imformation on that thread would also be greatly appreciated. TIA

>Mg

>

>











psi

_____________________________________________________



In your light I learn how to love.

In your beauty, how to make poems.

You dance inside my chest,

where no one sees you,

but sometimes I do,

and that sight becomes this art"

                                  -Rumi





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: A few herbs wanting to know of

From: "flagShip" <jriggs38@erols.com>

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:48:35 -0700

--------

Can you use these herbs as SAFE teas?



German Chamomile - Matricaria Recutita



Echinacea Purpurea



And This:



Saint Johns Wort - Hypericum Perforatum

"                       " - Hypericum Polyphyilum ?

"                       " - Hypericum Calycinum ?



What about the last two Saint Johns Wort's I have these but can not find

them in my books. Are they safe or will they just be used to grow?



Many Thanks



jriggs38@erols.com











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A few herbs wanting to know of

From: "Herb Lady" <herbs@mcmsys.com>

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 21:24:15 -0500

--------



flagShip wrote in message <7i94hm$smf$1@autumn.news.rcn.net>...

>Can you use these herbs as SAFE teas?

>

>Saint Johns Wort - Hypericum Perforatum

>"                       " - Hypericum Polyphyilum ?

>"                       " - Hypericum Calycinum ?

>

>What about the last two Saint Johns Wort's I have these but can not find

>them in my books. Are they safe or will they just be used to grow?





Hypericum Calycinum is sold a a lot of the nurseries as an ornamental plant.

It has become very popular in the last couple of years because they sell it

as "St. John's Wort,"  but it is not the one used or researched or talked

about in the medicinal literature.  I don't know if it has medicinal

properties.  The one used medicinally is Hypericum perforatum, and that is

MUCH harder to find for sale at nurseries.  I think the nurseries are making

a lot of money by selling "St. John's Wort," and are doing people a big

dis-service by not explaining to people that what they are selling is NOT

the one (touted for depression )in the news.  I wonder how many people have

been using it (H. calycinum) medicinally, and if they have been having any

adverse effects?  Also, you get the other end of the spectrum, where it

might not have any medicinal effects, and then people think that herbs don't

work at all.  Then again, perhaps it does have the same medicinal effects as

H. perforatum, but it has just not been researched and reported in the

literature.  But maybe I am just out of date, and don't know about current

research on it.



    You also asked about Echinacea purpurea, and if it was safe.  There is

lots of information on it.  Whole books have been written just on this

plant.   A popular one is by Steven Foster.  The best and most complete

answers would be these.  But, you are asking a blanket statement "is it

safe," and that is impossible to know without knowing you and your current

health status/medical problems.  What is good for one person may not be for

you, or it may not be good for you just at a particular time, say, if you

have a certain disease.  It is imprudent, and impossible to judge accurately

without knowing a lot more about YOUR specific health and medical problems,

and you shouldn't trust anyone who does so.



    Having said all that, I will add that E. purpurea is the Number 1

prescribed herbal remedy by naturopaths, and is "generally" considered to be

very safe.  But once again, when it comes to your own health, you don't want

to speak in "generalities."











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A few herbs wanting to know of

From: "flagShip" <jriggs38@erols.com>

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 08:39:08 -0700

--------



Herb Lady wrote in message <7iaddv$4pc$1@news.mcmsys.com>...

>

>flagShip wrote in message <7i94hm$smf$1@autumn.news.rcn.net>...

>>Can you use these herbs as SAFE teas?

>>

>>Saint Johns Wort - Hypericum Perforatum

>>"                       " - Hypericum Polyphyilum ?

>>"                       " - Hypericum Calycinum ?

>>

>>What about the last two Saint Johns Wort's I have these but can not find

>>them in my books. Are they safe or will they just be used to grow?





Yes thank you I know the herbs that I have been using without harm to my

system and was wanting to grow my own herbs to use and this is why this

question came up as you have said it seemed strange that these last two ST

Johns came up for I know Perforatum can be used but I was not sure of the

last two. I do not know if they are from the same plant family I can not

find any thing in my books or on the CD's I have on these last two.



So Off I went to the news group hoping that someone would know of these, You

have brought up two great points on how these last two can be sold without

info and how they can make using herbs look as if all herbs use is bad



Many thanks if you find any thing on these last two Please tell me.

JR









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A few herbs wanting to know of

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:34:06 -0700

--------

>>Saint Johns Wort - Hypericum Perforatum

>>"                       " - Hypericum Polyphyilum ?

>>"                       " - Hypericum Calycinum ?





Hypericum Perforatum is the medicinal herb.  You can use as a tea but it is

better as a fresh plant tincture, loses power with drying.  I suspect the

other 2 forms are horticultural forms of SJW.



Ingrid









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A few herbs wanting to know of

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:58:20 GMT

--------

On Sun, 23 May 1999 21:24:15 -0500, "Herb Lady" <herbs@mcmsys.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Hypericum Calycinum is sold a a lot of the nurseries as an ornamental plant.

>It has become very popular in the last couple of years because they sell it

>as "St. John's Wort,"  but it is not the one used or researched or talked

>about in the medicinal literature.  I don't know if it has medicinal

>properties.  The one used medicinally is Hypericum perforatum, and that is



ANY Hypericum whose flowers, buds and seedpods stain your fingers red can be

used like Hypericum perforatum. The only one that doesn't do that, that I'm

aware of, is the perfectly huge-flowered ornamental species. But I can't

off-hand remember the latin name of it.



Cheers

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Any success in dissolving kidney stones?

From: John@melon17.freeserve.co.uk (John )

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:53:29 GMT

--------

Just wondered if anyone

can attribute the dissolving

of their kidney stones (oxalates

in the actual kidney) through

the use of herbs?



John





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any success in dissolving kidney stones?

From: "Evelyn Ruut" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:27:35 -0400

--------



John wrote in message <37486a44.44774043@news.freeserve.net>...

>Just wondered if anyone

>can attribute the dissolving

>of their kidney stones (oxalates

>in the actual kidney) through

>the use of herbs?

>

>John



John, if there was an herb that could do that, I would be running to buy it

right away for my husband who has been a sufferer for years.



Run out to the bookstore and get a copy of "No More Kidney Stones" which has

the best way to prevent them.   There are plenty of things you can do to

prevent the formation of stones, not the least of which is drinking WATER,

not soda, not tea, not coffee, not any thing else.... but real WATER.   That

is the single most important thing.



The next is avoiding certain foods, which are by the way, my husbands

favorites.   Like Green leafy vegetables, salads, spinach, kale, SODA which

contains phosphates, chocolate, peanuts, beets and a few others.



NEVER drink your tea with milk, which allows calcium and oxalates to bind

and form stones,  but instead drink it with lemon which prevents the stones

from forming.



As to getting rid of the nasty things once they have formed, the only way I

know of is to drink huge amounts of water and hope to pass them, or to

intervene with Lithotripsy, the sound wave blasts that are done in hospital

settings to shatter them and allow the pieces to pass.   Yes it is done

under anesthesia, but you pee gravel and blood for days afterwards and feel

sort of icky.



Good Luck,

Evelyn













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any success in dissolving kidney stones?

From: teresa1417@my-dejanews.com

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 04:49:46 GMT

--------

In article <37486a44.44774043@news.freeserve.net>,

  John@melon17.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

> Just wondered if anyone

> can attribute the dissolving

> of their kidney stones (oxalates

> in the actual kidney) through

> the use of herbs?

>

> John

>

Hi John,



I have heard of kidney stones dissolving

with lots of Hydrangea and Marshmallow to

coat the stones/pieces of stones so they

can pass out more easily.



Teresa

herbsnow@softcom.net





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any success in dissolving kidney stones?

From: innoent-bystander@hushmail.coim

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:55:16 GMT

--------

On Sun, 23 May 1999 20:53:29 GMT, John@melon17.freeserve.co.uk (John )

wrote:



>:Just wondered if anyone

>:can attribute the dissolving

>:of their kidney stones (oxalates

>:in the actual kidney) through

>:the use of herbs?

>:

>:John



A good question, It makes me wonder if there is anything that would do the

same for gallstones?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any success in dissolving kidney stones?

From: innoent-bystander@hushmail.coim

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:07:04 GMT

--------

On Sun, 23 May 1999 20:53:29 GMT, John@melon17.freeserve.co.uk (John )

wrote:



>:Just wondered if anyone

>:can attribute the dissolving

>:of their kidney stones (oxalates

>:in the actual kidney) through

>:the use of herbs?

>:

>:John



A good question, It makes me wonder if there is anything that would do the

same for gallstones?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any success in dissolving kidney stones?

From: "Kay Henson" <no_one@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:40:48 -0500

--------

Kidney stones form when minerals that normally free float in the kidney

fluids, combine into crystals. When there is an overload of inorganic waste

and too little fluid, the molecules can't dissolve properly and form sharp

edged stones. It takes from 5 to 15 hours of vigorous and urgent treatment

to dissolve and pass small stones.

Common causes: Excess sugar, red meat, carbonated drinks, sugars and

caffeine in the diet; diabetes; allergies; heavy metal poisoning; excess

aluminum; essential fatty acids deficiency; overuse of prescription or

pleasure drugs; B vitamin and magnesium deficiency; overuse of aspirin, salt

and chemical diuretics.



Prevention through improved diet and exercise is the best medicine.

A short 3 day kidney cleanse to remove infection and help dissolve stones:

Each morning take 2 tablespoons cider vinegar or lemon juice in water. Take

one each of the following juices daily: carrot/beet/cucumber, cranberry,

potassium broth, and a green vegetable drink.

Take 2 cups watermelon seed tea daily.

Take aloe juice before bed.

Drink 8 glasses distilled water daily.

Take 2 tablespoons olive oil through a straw every 4 hours to help dissolve

stones.

Then eat a very simple low salt, low protein, vegetarian diet with 75% fresh

foods for a week.

Avoid all refined, fried and fatty foods, and all cola drinks during

healing. Avoid salts, sugars, and caffeine containing foods. Eliminate dairy

products. Reduce all animal protein.



Herbal Therapy:

Hawthorn or bilberry extract.

Evening Primrose Oil--4 capsules daily

Kidney balancing herbs:

Parsley/cornsilk tea

St. John's Wort if incontinent



Kidney Detoxifiers:

Burdock root tea, echinacea extract 4 times daily, garlic/cayenne capsules

6-8 daily.

Dandelion extract



Kidney stones:

Drink a quart daily of any of these teas to help dissolve:

Chamomile, rosemary or rosehips, or dandelion/nettles



Kidney flushing teas:

Watercress, cleavers or couch grass

Uva ursi/juniper



Supplements:

Take a good multi-vitamin preferably from natural sources, with chelated

minerals.

Vitamin C with bioflavonoids. Take every hour to bowel tolerance until

stones pass.

B complex 100mg with extra B6 100mg and magnesium 400mg two times daily.

Vitamin K 100mcg.



Kidney stones are extremely painful, but very preventable.

Take a daily brisk walk to keep kidney function flowing.

Avoid commercial antacids during healing. Avoid NSAID drugs. They have been

implicated in kidney failure cases.

Avoid smoking and secondary smoke.

Apply moist heat packs, comfrey compresses, and/or alternating hot and cold

compresses on the kidney area.

Apply white flower oil or tiger balm to the kidney area 2 to 3 times daily.

Apply compresses to kidney area, like hot ginger/oatstraw, cayenne/ginger,

mullein/lobelia.



-- Kay



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              or

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any success in dissolving kidney stones?

From: loralsl2@aol.com (Loralsl2)

Date: 26 May 1999 02:07:24 GMT

--------

I have had this problem....LOTS...in the past!!! Take lots of Hydrangea. I

would probably add Comb. K or cornsilk. Make sure you drink lots of pure water

with fresh lemon in it/ It is better if it is made into a warm tea. 

Loralsl2@aol.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Medicinal herbFAQ (v.1.37b) Part 1/7

From: tabreaux@neworleans.com

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:54:18 GMT

--------

Be advised that the two following statements are completely false:





> >Making Absinthe is extremely easy, as long as you don't require the

full

> alcoholic content. Just take Pernod, pour off about an ounce and cram

> wormwood herb in the top. Let it set for a week or two. That's it.



This is nonsense.  Distillation with a high strength spirit is

absolutely necessary to extact the high MW essences.  If distillation

wasn't necessary, it would have never been used.







Pernod

> is Absinthe without the wormwood and about half the alcohol.



Nonsense.  Pernod is simply a maceration of essence of star anise and

added food coloring in a medium strength spirit.



The reference material was otherwise interesting and informative.



Ted B.

Chemist





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Introduction

From: xena <xena@cyberhighway.net>

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:04:11 -0500

--------

Hi, I'm Xena, and I grow herbs, plus antique roses and perennials.  I

like them for scent mostly, but I also plant them for texture & color.

I have tampered with a few of them--trying them out in remedies

according to my herb book. I've learned a lot playing with my herbs. 



My favorite herb in my garden is a curry plant.  I've had this plant

about three years now, and about a year ago, I gave it an all over hair

cut because the foliage needed rejuvenating.  The plant is silver and

the scent reminds me of Stove Top Stuffing.  



I also grow lemon balm.  I wasn't aware the things had bloomed last year

and I found two little seedlings in the cracks in my concrete patio.  I

also have chives, tansy, oregano, thyme, and lemon verbena among others

that I can't think of right now.



Xena





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: decoctions for....

From: "FERNANDO GALLEGOS" <alchemytravel@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:37:57 -0700

--------

mugwort, motherwort, valerian, feverfew, mullein and ashwaganda all are in

the second years of growth in my garden. I would like to know any good tea

recipes that would include these herbs. I am a beginner gardener....your

input is appreciated.

katie



ps... epazote is also used for medicinal purposes , if you know to treat

what I would love to know









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: decoctions for....

From: carol <erkens@home.com>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 02:50:00 GMT

--------

Be careful of the valerian. It's a seditive and a pretty strong one at that.



FERNANDO GALLEGOS wrote:



> mugwort, motherwort, valerian, feverfew, mullein and ashwaganda all are in

> the second years of growth in my garden. I would like to know any good tea

> recipes that would include these herbs. I am a beginner gardener....your

> input is appreciated.

> katie

>

> ps... epazote is also used for medicinal purposes , if you know to treat

> what I would love to know







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Valerian Root

From: "T & J Chapman" <tec@proaxis.com>

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 03:54:48 -0700

--------

Hello All,  I suffer with occasionally bad episodes of anxiety.I am

interested in taking valerian root for this problem, I have also heard it

can help with sleeping at night which the anxiety causes problems with. I am

interested in hearing from anyone that has used the herb for this type

purpose. Also dosage information would be helpful.



                                                     Thanks, Julie









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root

From: Alithea <alithea@mint.net>

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:51:41 +0000

--------

Julie,

You might also want to look into the benefits of milky oats tincture.



Rosemarie





T & J Chapman wrote:

> 

> Hello All,  I suffer with occasionally bad episodes of anxiety.I am

> interested in taking valerian root for this problem, I have also heard it

> can help with sleeping at night which the anxiety causes problems with. I am

> interested in hearing from anyone that has used the herb for this type

> purpose. Also dosage information would be helpful.

> 

>                                                      Thanks, Julie





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root

From: carol <erkens@home.com>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 02:53:01 GMT

--------

My son has TMJ and would drink valarian root tea before going to sleep. He said

it worked great...he slept like a log (he had trouble sleeping as well as a

teen). It's nasty tasting (and smelling) but he didn't care because he wanted to

get some sleep. I think he used 1/4 tsp per cup.



I don't know how safe it was, but it is a very strong herb.





T & J Chapman wrote:



> Hello All,  I suffer with occasionally bad episodes of anxiety.I am

> interested in taking valerian root for this problem, I have also heard it

> can help with sleeping at night which the anxiety causes problems with. I am

> interested in hearing from anyone that has used the herb for this type

> purpose. Also dosage information would be helpful.

>

>                                                      Thanks, Julie







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:23:50 -0700

--------

Works great but I prefer the tincture. Much easier to get down.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aloe Vera -  Any good for Osteo-Arthritis?

From: Bill@No_email_please.com (Bill)

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:47:00 GMT

--------

Hello 



I am trying to find out if Aloe Vera is of any help to an elderly lady

friend who has osteo-arthritis. The pain is mainly in her legs and

particularly in the ankles.



Ater an unsuccessful first attempt she is currently trying it for the

second time with  some gel she got from FOREVER LIVING PRODUCTS which

is supposed to be better quality stuff than she got before.  She is

very unsure whether she is wasting her money or not.  So far after a

couple of weeks on it she appears to feel slightly less pain and have

a bit more energy but whether she is just kidding herself I don't

know.



The thing is I've been asking in the Arthritis groups for people who

have actually been helped by this stuff and there is very little

support for it indeed.  I have also searched dejanews for reference

for its use for arthritis with precious little success.



It would really be good to hear from people (other than those who are

marketing this product) who have personal experience (good or bad) of

using this stuff and who could have some relevant information I could

pass on to this lady.



Another question she has is whether Aloe Vera can help her sleep at

night as this is a great problem for her.  Also what effect does

short/long term use have on the stomach?





Thanks for any info you can give





All the best













Bill





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aloe Vera -  Any good for Osteo-Arthritis?

From: Robert Frick <rfrick@psych1.psy.sunysb.edu>

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:46:59 -0400

--------

I haven't seen much to suggest that aloe vera would be useful.  I assume

the elderly lady has already tried glucosamine?



Bob F.



Bill wrote:

> 

> Hello

> 

> I am trying to find out if Aloe Vera is of any help to an elderly lady

> friend who has osteo-arthritis. The pain is mainly in her legs and

> particularly in the ankles.

> 

> Ater an unsuccessful first attempt she is currently trying it for the

> second time with  some gel she got from FOREVER LIVING PRODUCTS which

> is supposed to be better quality stuff than she got before.  She is

> very unsure whether she is wasting her money or not.  So far after a

> couple of weeks on it she appears to feel slightly less pain and have

> a bit more energy but whether she is just kidding herself I don't

> know.

> 

> The thing is I've been asking in the Arthritis groups for people who

> have actually been helped by this stuff and there is very little

> support for it indeed.  I have also searched dejanews for reference

> for its use for arthritis with precious little success.

> 

> It would really be good to hear from people (other than those who are

> marketing this product) who have personal experience (good or bad) of

> using this stuff and who could have some relevant information I could

> pass on to this lady.

> 

> Another question she has is whether Aloe Vera can help her sleep at

> night as this is a great problem for her.  Also what effect does

> short/long term use have on the stomach?

> 

> Thanks for any info you can give

> 

> All the best

> 

> Bill





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aloe Vera -  Any good for Osteo-Arthritis?

From: Bill@No_email_please.com (Bill)

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:47:44 GMT

--------

On Mon, 24 May 1999 22:46:59 -0400, Robert Frick

<rfrick@psych1.psy.sunysb.edu> wrote:



>I haven't seen much to suggest that aloe vera would be useful.  I assume

>the elderly lady has already tried glucosamine?

>

>Bob F.

>

>Bill wrote:

>> 

>> Hello

>> 

>> I am trying to find out if Aloe Vera is of any help to an elderly lady

>> friend who has osteo-arthritis. The pain is mainly in her legs and

>> particularly in the ankles.

>> 





She has heard about Glucosamine but never tried it.  The Arthritis

groups certainly appear to think that it would be well worth the try.

I was just interested to know if the Herbs group felt the same

.....and this now does appear to be so.



Have you had personal experience of glucosamine?



Thanks a lot for your initial response.





All the best







Bill









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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera -  Any good for Osteo-Arthritis?

From: "MindSpring User" <rjmozer@mindspring.com>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:46:28 -0400

--------

I've heard that chamomile is also useful in treating

arthritic conditions.  Good luck.



Betsy





Bill wrote in message <374c41bb.32118743@nntp.netcomuk.co.uk>...

>On Mon, 24 May 1999 22:46:59 -0400, Robert Frick

><rfrick@psych1.psy.sunysb.edu> wrote:

>

>>I haven't seen much to suggest that aloe vera would be useful.  I assume

>>the elderly lady has already tried glucosamine?

>>

>>Bob F.

>>

>>Bill wrote:

>>>

>>> Hello

>>>

>>> I am trying to find out if Aloe Vera is of any help to an elderly lady

>>> friend who has osteo-arthritis. The pain is mainly in her legs and

>>> particularly in the ankles.

>>>

>

>

>She has heard about Glucosamine but never tried it.  The Arthritis

>groups certainly appear to think that it would be well worth the try.

>I was just interested to know if the Herbs group felt the same

>.....and this now does appear to be so.

>

>Have you had personal experience of glucosamine?

>

>Thanks a lot for your initial response.

>

>

>All the best

>

>

>

>Bill

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help with Nail Fungus

From: "Donnie or Stephanie Sorrells" <sorrells@netdot.com>

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:40:22 -0700

--------

What herbs can be used (and HOW?) for finger nail and toe nail fungus?

Thanks,

Stephanie









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Nail Fungus

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 25 May 1999 00:51:06 GMT

--------

You could try a few drops of tea tree oil in some water and soak.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Help with Nail Fungus

From: donwiss@spamnot.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 02:00:08 GMT

--------

On 25 May 1999 00:51:06 GMT, bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs) wrote:



>You could try a few drops of tea tree oil in some water and soak.



Do you personally know of some cases where this has worked and they have

remained fungus-free after the treatment has stopped? Or are you just

repeating newsgroup folklore?



Don (donwiss at panix com).





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Subject: Re: Help with Nail Fungus

From: "Annie" <felliniesque@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:45:24 GMT

--------

My brother has had results from soaking his feet in Epsom Salt of all

things- soak daily for a few days- and try soaking in warm water with tea

tree oil as well.



Don Wiss <donwiss@spamnot.com> wrote in article

<374f03b5.78726603@news.panix.com>...

> On 25 May 1999 00:51:06 GMT, bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs) wrote:

> 

> >You could try a few drops of tea tree oil in some water and soak.

> 

> Do you personally know of some cases where this has worked and they have

> remained fungus-free after the treatment has stopped? Or are you just

> repeating newsgroup folklore?

> 

> Don (donwiss at panix com).

> 





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Subject: Re: Help with Nail Fungus

From: maggie <maggiem2@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:17:21 -0500

--------

Diluted ammonnia works! On any Fungus. Nasty stuff. Don't make it too

strong or it will burn your skin. Experiment till you find the right

concentration for you. Too little is better than too much.



But then it's not an herb, and I am off topic.



maggie



Annie wrote:

> 

> My brother has had results from soaking his feet in Epsom Salt of all

> things- soak daily for a few days- and try soaking in warm water with tea

> tree oil as well.

> 

> Don Wiss <donwiss@spamnot.com> wrote in article

> <374f03b5.78726603@news.panix.com>...

> > On 25 May 1999 00:51:06 GMT, bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs) wrote:

> >

> > >You could try a few drops of tea tree oil in some water and soak.

> >

> > Do you personally know of some cases where this has worked and they have

> > remained fungus-free after the treatment has stopped? Or are you just

> > repeating newsgroup folklore?

> >

> > Don (donwiss at panix com).

> >





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Nail Fungus

From: herbsnow@softcom.net

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 06:10:30 GMT

--------

Tea tree oil is a good suggestion.  But often nail fungus is due to an

overgrowth of candida in the body.  So, if that's the cause, I don't

think the results you get with tea tree oil used externally will last.

A better approach is to start at the root of the problem.  Change your

diet and take some herbs to rid yourself of candida (assuming, of

course, this is the cause).  You might want to try pau d'arco, olive

leaf extract, capryic acid, or garlic.  I'm working with a man right

now who has candida problems.  A few weeks after he started the diet

and pau d'arco, he noticed some improvement in his toe nail fungus.



Teresa

www.herbsnow.com



In article <7ich0o$hdh$1@news.onramp.net>,

  "Donnie or Stephanie Sorrells" <sorrells@netdot.com> wrote:

> What herbs can be used (and HOW?) for finger nail and toe nail fungus?

> Thanks,

> Stephanie

>

>





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Subject: Re: Help with Nail Fungus

From: Gem <gemfaith@my-dejanews.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:14:28 GMT

--------

In article <7idesk$8hh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,

  herbsnow@softcom.net wrote:

> Tea tree oil is a good suggestion.  But often nail fungus is due to an

> overgrowth of candida in the body.  So, if that's the cause, I don't

> think the results you get with tea tree oil used externally will last.





Isn't toe nail fungus a genetic thing?  My grandfather and my mother

both had it, and now I'm starting to get it.  I planned to try soaking

it in pau d'arco, crushed garlic, and tea tree oil, in warm water, as

soon as I found a place to get some.  I'll let the newsgroup know how it

works.





> A better approach is to start at the root of the problem.  Change your

> diet and take some herbs to rid yourself of candida (assuming, of

> course, this is the cause).  You might want to try pau d'arco, olive

> leaf extract, capryic acid, or garlic.  I'm working with a man right

> now who has candida problems.  A few weeks after he started the diet

> and pau d'arco, he noticed some improvement in his toe nail fungus.

>

> Teresa

> www.herbsnow.com

>

> In article <7ich0o$hdh$1@news.onramp.net>,

>   "Donnie or Stephanie Sorrells" <sorrells@netdot.com> wrote:

> > What herbs can be used (and HOW?) for finger nail and toe nail

fungus?

> > Thanks,

> > Stephanie

> >

> >

>

> --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--

> ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---

>





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---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Nail Fungus

From: "GoingPostal" <postmaster@usgov.com>

Date: 29 May 1999 14:44:30 GMT

--------

Candida?

What about Microsporum, Trichophyton, and Epidermophyton?

Is she a diabetic?



Nacogdoches Peach





herbsnow@softcom.net wrote in article <7idesk$8hh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...

> Tea tree oil is a good suggestion.  But often nail fungus is due to an

> overgrowth of candida in the body.  So, if that's the cause, I don't

> think the results you get with tea tree oil used externally will last.

> A better approach is to start at the root of the problem.  Change your

> diet and take some herbs to rid yourself of candida (assuming, of

> course, this is the cause).  You might want to try pau d'arco, olive

> leaf extract, capryic acid, or garlic.  I'm working with a man right

> now who has candida problems.  A few weeks after he started the diet

> and pau d'arco, he noticed some improvement in his toe nail fungus.

> 

> Teresa

> www.herbsnow.com

> 

> In article <7ich0o$hdh$1@news.onramp.net>,

>   "Donnie or Stephanie Sorrells" <sorrells@netdot.com> wrote:

> > What herbs can be used (and HOW?) for finger nail and toe nail fungus?

> > Thanks,

> > Stephanie

> >

> >

> 

> 

> --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--

> ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Nail Fungus

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 25 May 1999 14:38:49 GMT

--------

>what is

>

> >an

>>overgrowth of candida in the body

>

>??????  



It is when the candida in your body takes over the space that other bacteria

should be occuping. To solve the problem introduce yourself to lots of

fermented foods and yogurt which contains live culture.



>>pau d'arco, olive

>>leaf extract, capryic acid

>

>where do I get these??



Probably from one of those New Age drugstores that call themselves health food

stores but carry no food.



Yes, Don as a matter of fact I do know one, but only one. Don't think she'll

give you her phone number tho.



Belinda





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: St. Johns Wort and Valerian

From: "Rob & Carrie" <rocknrob@apk.net>

Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:53:05 -0400

--------

Can anyone tell me if you can take st. Johns Wort with valerian....

suffering from insommnia...thanks

carrie









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Is this book any good?

From: squimjam@aol.com (SquimJam)

Date: 25 May 1999 06:31:47 GMT

--------

THE HERBAL MEDICINE MAKERS HANDBOOK  

by James Green 



Please give me your take on it.....thanks.

much appreciated! :-)







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Is this book any good?

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:18:20 GMT

--------

On 25 May 1999 06:31:47 GMT, squimjam@aol.com (SquimJam) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>THE HERBAL MEDICINE MAKERS HANDBOOK by James Green 

>Please give me your take on it.....thanks.

>much appreciated! :-)



I think USD 5.00 is too much for the info offerred. It's very basic information

on how to make teas, tinctures, salves, etc.

You'll find the same information in any good basic herbal medicine book. In

addition those include lots of information on herbs... more bang for the book,

as it were.



Henriette



--

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

                -+- over 1200 plant pictures online -+-

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Is this book any good?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 25 May 1999 21:33:47 GMT

--------

In article <37549480.24141569@uutiset.saunalahti.fi>, hetta@saunalahti.fi

(Henriette Kress) writes:



>You'll find the same information in any good basic herbal medicine book. In

>addition those include lots of information on herbs... more bang for the

>book,

>as it were.



Three books that get very specific on how to make things are:

Home Herbal by Penelope Ody -- much more "how to" than her Medicinal Herbs

book.



Homemade Medicines by Christopher Hobbs -- lots of recipes but the photographs

don't have much to do with the text, unlike the more expensive Ody book. It's

relatively inexpensive ($12.95).



Herbal Medicine Cabinet by Debra St Claire -- not as expensive as Ody's book,

as many recipes if not more than Hobbs, and the black-and-white photographs are

fairly good representations of the instructions. My personal favorite in the

"bang for the book" category.





Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Re: Is this book any good?

From: Alithea <alithea@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:18:38 +0000

--------

This is the book I recommend when anyone wants info on making herbal

preparations. True, it does contain less information (skinny book) than

some other herb books that give information on the properties of

specific herbs but I think it really has it all when it comes to

preparing infusions, decoctions, tinctures, oil infusions (from both

dried and fresh plants), glycerites and salves.



Of course, I wouldn't be caught dead relying on only one book for making

herbal preparations.



Rosemarie

<knots@mint.net> 





SquimJam wrote:

> 

> THE HERBAL MEDICINE MAKERS HANDBOOK

> by James Green

> 

> Please give me your take on it.....thanks.

> much appreciated! :-)





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cleaver help please

From: "SharonB" <sharonburton@fuse.net.removeyourfootfromyourmouth>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 05:56:16 -0400

--------

I have a couple of questions on these plants.

I've read to hang them up to dry, or to dry them on a screen....does it

hurt to dry them in the dehydrator?

I've read that the whole plant should be stored, would it lose anything

if I were to run it through the food processor then put in in a coffee

can for the deep freeze?

Supposedly, coffee can be made from the seeds...is there any quick way

to strip the seeds from the plants?

I made a tea after the plants had dried for about four days....tasted

like grass, even after adding lemon juice and honey....what did I do

wrong?



Oops, sorry, that's four questions.  Thanks in advance for the answers.

Is there a really good book around that would list the plants grown

wild, and sort them by harvesting season...eg, May-June--cleavers, wild

strawberries, etc.?



--

      If you believe it to be a fake address,

             call the state highway patrol

      .....quotes from The Stupid Richard Files

remove your foot from your mouth to reply









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To: SharonB <sharonburton@fuse.net.removeyourfootfromyourmouth>

Subject: Re: Cleaver help please

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:05:57 -0400

--------

Sharon,



If you want to use cleavers as a lymphatic herb, drying it loses its

efficacy. You need to make a tincture/extract of the fresh aerial parts.



Other plants which need to be tinctured fresh include shepherd's purse,

scutelleria...scullcap, fresh milky oats.



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



SharonB wrote:



> I have a couple of questions on these plants.

> I've read to hang them up to dry, or to dry them on a screen....does it

> hurt to dry them in the dehydrator?

> I've read that the whole plant should be stored, would it lose anything

> if I were to run it through the food processor then put in in a coffee

> can for the deep freeze?

> Supposedly, coffee can be made from the seeds...is there any quick way

> to strip the seeds from the plants?

> I made a tea after the plants had dried for about four days....tasted

> like grass, even after adding lemon juice and honey....what did I do

> wrong?

>

> Oops, sorry, that's four questions.  Thanks in advance for the answers.

> Is there a really good book around that would list the plants grown

> wild, and sort them by harvesting season...eg, May-June--cleavers, wild

> strawberries, etc.?

>

> --

>       If you believe it to be a fake address,

>              call the state highway patrol

>       .....quotes from The Stupid Richard Files

> remove your foot from your mouth to reply







==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cleaver help please

From: "Jacqui McIntosh" <jacqui@bayberry.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:38:17 +0100

--------

I have just made a cleaver tincture, as well as a nettle tincture. I mixed a

small amount of each together , which is great as a tonic, also for swollen

glands and sore throats and the exhaustion that goes with it.



Jacqui





>

> If you want to use cleavers as a lymphatic herb, drying it loses its

> efficacy. You need to make a tincture/extract of the fresh aerial parts.

>

> Other plants which need to be tinctured fresh include shepherd's purse,

> scutelleria...scullcap, fresh milky oats.

>

> Cathy, Wise Weeds

> http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/

>

> SharonB wrote:

>

> > I have a couple of questions on these plants.

> > I've read to hang them up to dry, or to dry them on a screen....does it

> > hurt to dry them in the dehydrator?

> > I've read that the whole plant should be stored, would it lose anything

> > if I were to run it through the food processor then put in in a coffee

> > can for the deep freeze?

> > Supposedly, coffee can be made from the seeds...is there any quick way

> > to strip the seeds from the plants?

> > I made a tea after the plants had dried for about four days....tasted

> > like grass, even after adding lemon juice and honey....what did I do

> > wrong?

> >

> > Oops, sorry, that's four questions.  Thanks in advance for the answers.

> > Is there a really good book around that would list the plants grown

> > wild, and sort them by harvesting season...eg, May-June--cleavers, wild

> > strawberries, etc.?

> >

> > --

> >       If you believe it to be a fake address,

> >              call the state highway patrol

> >       .....quotes from The Stupid Richard Files

> > remove your foot from your mouth to reply

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: OK to eat herbal tea leaves?

From: qsmd@datasync.com (John A. Erickson)

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:49:03 GMT

--------

Is it OK to have the tea loose in the hot

water, then eat the leaves after you've

drunk the tea?





www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org

www.foreskin.org







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Valarian preperation

From: "FERNANDO GALLEGOS" <alchemytravel@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:38:47 -0700

--------

Could someone please tell me how and when  to harvest valarian root for tea.

Insomnia has been a problem lately.

Thanks, K









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valarian preperation

From: Alithea <alithea@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:32:49 +0000

--------

Since it is the root of the valarian plant you want to use, you should

harvest it in the Fall when the plant, in preparation for Winter

dormancy, sends its energy (medicinal included) into the roots. I live

in Maine; don't know how this translates to areas that do not experience

four seasons.



Dig them up, wash, chop, tincture.



Rosemarie





FERNANDO GALLEGOS wrote:

> 

> Could someone please tell me how and when  to harvest valarian root for tea.

> Insomnia has been a problem lately.

> Thanks, K





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Mail-order suppliers for bulk herbs?

From: jsm@zelus.com (JSM)

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:41:19 -0400

--------

Hi:



I'm looking for mail-order companies, online or offline, selling high

quality bulk dried herbs (4 oz to 1 lb quantities) at reasonable prices. 

Any recommendations?  Any places to definitely avoid?



I recently bought some dried herbs mail-order and was disappointed with

the quality of the herbs - the price was fair, but the quality did not

match what I can find locally (for more $, unfortunately).  Rather than

give up on mail-order, I ask the experts. :)



Thanks,

Josephine





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mail-order suppliers for bulk herbs?

From: "MindSpring User" <rjmozer@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:43:12 -0400

--------

I've found Indiana Botanical Gardens to have

good quality products.  Nothing will be as good

as growing it yourself though!  :0)



Betsy



JSM wrote in message ...

>Hi:

>

>I'm looking for mail-order companies, online or offline, selling high

>quality bulk dried herbs (4 oz to 1 lb quantities) at reasonable prices.

>Any recommendations?  Any places to definitely avoid?

>

>I recently bought some dried herbs mail-order and was disappointed with

>the quality of the herbs - the price was fair, but the quality did not

>match what I can find locally (for more $, unfortunately).  Rather than

>give up on mail-order, I ask the experts. :)

>

>Thanks,

>Josephine









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: MindSpring User <rjmozer@mindspring.com>

Subject: Re: Mail-order suppliers for bulk herbs?

From: Alithea <alithea@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:47:02 +0000

--------

I grow most of the herbs I use for teas and tinctures. When I need to, I

buy from and herbalist grower friend of mine:



Rani Cross,Skyscraper Hill Organic Gardens,RR2 Box 1160,Brooks,ME 04921

(207)722-3659



When she can't supply what I need I get it from:



Jean's Greens; 119 Sulphur Spring Road, Norway, NY 13416; 315-845-6500



Both have good prices and more important, excellent quality.



Rosemarie







MindSpring User wrote:

> 

> I've found Indiana Botanical Gardens to have

> good quality products.  Nothing will be as good

> as growing it yourself though!  :0)

> 

> Betsy

> 

> JSM wrote in message ...

> >Hi:

> >

> >I'm looking for mail-order companies, online or offline, selling high

> >quality bulk dried herbs (4 oz to 1 lb quantities) at reasonable prices.

> >Any recommendations?  Any places to definitely avoid?

> >

> >I recently bought some dried herbs mail-order and was disappointed with

> >the quality of the herbs - the price was fair, but the quality did not

> >match what I can find locally (for more $, unfortunately).  Rather than

> >give up on mail-order, I ask the experts. :)

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Josephine





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mail-order suppliers for bulk herbs?

From: "marcus" <marcus@tdinfo.com>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:24:18 +0800

--------

depends on what herbs you are looking for!

find a on-line store located in the source town/country of the herbs.

tell me what herbs you are looking for, we may be a good source for some of

them!



- marcus.





JSM g峹 ...

>Hi:

>

>I'm looking for mail-order companies, online or offline, selling high

>quality bulk dried herbs (4 oz to 1 lb quantities) at reasonable prices.

>Any recommendations?  Any places to definitely avoid?

>

>I recently bought some dried herbs mail-order and was disappointed with

>the quality of the herbs - the price was fair, but the quality did not

>match what I can find locally (for more $, unfortunately).  Rather than

>give up on mail-order, I ask the experts. :)

>

>Thanks,

>Josephine









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Subject: Herbs for poor circulation?

From: "Romy Schumann" <%%schumann@yebo.co.za%%>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:04:32 +0200

--------

Does anyone know of any natural remedies to alleviate poor circulation? I

have a colleague who suffers from acute agony in the cold due to poor

circulation, and we are heading into winter now here in the southern

hemisphere .....



Thanks in advance.









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Subject: Herbs to regain ferility while breastfeeding

From: "Bente S. Arvesen" <benarv@online.no>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:51:44 +0200

--------

Hello!



My little girl is 6 months and still mostly breastfed (we plan on

introducing a little solids from now on). I have not yet gotten back my

period, something I understand is quite normal.



We do however plan on having another baby as soon as possible - is there any

other way (than to quit bf) for me to start ovulating soon? I was thinking

about herbal treatment. Has anyone experience with taking herbs to start up

their cycles again after a pregnancy?



Maybe we should let nature work its own way and be patient, but we'd really

like to have our kids close.



-Bente











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Subject: Re: Herbs to regain ferility while breastfeeding

From: "MindSpring User" <rjmozer@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:10:23 -0400

--------

feverfew is supposed to encourage menstruation

and regulating of the period.  It will also help with

any headaches you might be having.  :0)



Don't take it while breastfeeding though.



Betsy



Bente S. Arvesen wrote in message ...

>Hello!

>

>My little girl is 6 months and still mostly breastfed (we plan on

>introducing a little solids from now on). I have not yet gotten back my

>period, something I understand is quite normal.

>

>We do however plan on having another baby as soon as possible - is there

any

>other way (than to quit bf) for me to start ovulating soon? I was thinking

>about herbal treatment. Has anyone experience with taking herbs to start up

>their cycles again after a pregnancy?

>

>Maybe we should let nature work its own way and be patient, but we'd really

>like to have our kids close.

>

>-Bente

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Herbs to regain ferility while breastfeeding

From: "Kay Henson" <no_one@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:30:51 -0500

--------

Your period will come back as you cut down on breastfeeding. It is advisable

to wait at least a year after one birth before you get pregnant again. Your

body needs time to get back in shape, heal, and to adjust the hormone

levels.



Kay

http://www.herbcare.com











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Subject: Re: Herbs to regain ferility while breastfeeding

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:47:36 -0700

--------

When you stop breastfeeding your fertility will return.  Mother Nature does

it this way for a reason. Your body need to rebuild itself from one

pregnancy to the next.



Ingrid









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Subject: Re: Herbs to regain ferility while breastfeeding

From: Deb <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 01:09:05 -0700

--------





ma pickle wrote:



> When you stop breastfeeding your fertility will return.  Mother Nature does

> it this way for a reason. Your body need to rebuild itself from one

> pregnancy to the next.

>

> Ingrid



 While not arguing with the validy of the above statement, I would like to

point out that I have cousins that are 11 months apart and brothers that are 13

months apart.  All the babies were breastfed for a minimum of 9 months.



Deb







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Subject: Re: Herbs to regain ferility while breastfeeding

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:31:41 -0700

--------

Breastfeeding is not a foolproof method of birth control.  My point was that

fertility tends to be decreased by breastfeeding and that your body needs to

recover from one pregnancy before the next.









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Subject: Re: Herbs to regain ferility while breastfeeding

From: "Kay Henson" <no_one@nowhere.com>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:54:46 -0500

--------

Hehehehe.....

I have 2 children 13 months apart, and have a 10 month old and am expecting

in November. If I had planned this, they would not have been so close. I

have a total of 5 children and am expecting the 6th....(and last????)

I birth at home (last 2 children were born at home and this is a planned

homebirth also) and my midwife is concerned with bleeding due to the

closeness of pregnancies. We need to give our bodies time to get back in

shape. Whether or not this will be a problem remains to be seen. It wasn't a

problem with my other 2 close babies, then again, I am a bit older now.

I personally cannot handle red raspberry tea. Makes me vomit, unless I mix

it with nettles.I always begin taking the mixture in the 2nd trimester.



Kay



http://www.herbcare.com





Deb <deb@mt.jeff.com> wrote in message news:374BAC20.9346652A@mt.jeff.com...

>  While not arguing with the validy of the above statement, I would like to

> point out that I have cousins that are 11 months apart and brothers that

are 13

> months apart.  All the babies were breastfed for a minimum of 9 months.

>

> Deb

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: "Bente S. Arvesen" <benarv@online.no>

Subject: Re: Herbs to regain ferility while breastfeeding

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:28:19 -0400

--------

Bente,



I'm sure you want to stay healthy and have a healthy pregnancy, too.



Do let nature take its course, and consider birth control of some sort even

after your periods resume. It takes a woman's body four (4) years to recover

from pregnancy.



Yes, four years. I remembered being shocked when I found this out after the

birth of my son (now almost five years old).



Even if you are in tip-top shape, you should still give your body a break from

being pregnant. Even if you don't have your period, you should consider using

birth control because you could get pregnant.



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



Bente S. Arvesen wrote:



> Hello!

>

> My little girl is 6 months and still mostly breastfed (we plan on

> introducing a little solids from now on). I have not yet gotten back my

> period, something I understand is quite normal.

>

> We do however plan on having another baby as soon as possible - is there any

> other way (than to quit bf) for me to start ovulating soon? I was thinking

> about herbal treatment. Has anyone experience with taking herbs to start up

> their cycles again after a pregnancy?

>

> Maybe we should let nature work its own way and be patient, but we'd really

> like to have our kids close.

>

> -Bente







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: impetigo

From: "william semonis" <semonis@servcom.com>

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:51:11 -0700

--------

My friend has it real bad case and he has sores on his body and his head.

He has taken penicilin and nothing seems to help any suggestions









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Subject: Re: impetigo

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:07:23 GMT

--------

One thing that helped me a long time ago:



Make a *strong* infusion of garden sage - like 1/2 to 1 cup of dried herb to

two cups of hot water.  Pour the boiling water over the herb in a pot that

can then be covered tightly (to prevent escape of the oil).  Let it steep

until the water is just cool enough to be comfortable to the touch.  Strain

well, squeezing the herb to get out all the liquid you can.  Bath and

shampoo thoroughly in *hot* water (heat helps open the pores), and then

rinse all the soap and shampoo off.  Slowly pour (or have a friend pour)

about 1 cup of the infusion over the head, massaging the liquid well into

the scalp with the fingers.  Dip a *clean* washcloth into the remaining

liquid and wash the entire body with the sage infusion, concentrating on the

affected areas.  *Don't towel dry*!  You want to leave the extracted sage on

the skin and scalp.  Just let the skin and hair dry by itself (or stand in

front of a fan or blow dryer).  Expect to repeat for at least three days.



-Rich



william semonis <semonis@servcom.com> wrote in message

news:374b6f9b.0@pavlof.gci.net...

> My friend has it real bad case and he has sores on his body and his head.

> He has taken penicilin and nothing seems to help any suggestions

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: arnica montana

From: Jim Thompson <brew@gte.net>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 03:19:09 GMT

--------

Has anyone heard about this?  What is it for?  Where do you buy it?

Thanks, Sue





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Subject: Re: arnica montana

From: "marcus" <marcus@tdinfo.com>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:18:05 +0800

--------

a herb may used to stop plan.

not save to eat.

external use only.

u may get it from health food store.



- marcus





Jim Thompson g峹 <374B6741.7361@gte.net>...

>Has anyone heard about this?  What is it for?  Where do you buy it?

>Thanks, Sue









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Subject: Re: arnica montana

From: "MindSpring User" <rjmozer@mindspring.com>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:54:00 -0400

--------

Arnica montana is a medicinal herb -- you use the

flower tops to make arnica oil which is used by

massage therapists.  The oil will prevent bruising

when rubbed on the affected spot after injury.

It is also good for muscle aches.  I've found it at

a  local nursery in my neighborhood.  It is, I think,

difficult to find plants.  It is a perennial.



Happy gardening,

Betsy





Jim Thompson wrote in message <374B6741.7361@gte.net>...

>Has anyone heard about this?  What is it for?  Where do you buy it?

>Thanks, Sue









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: arnica montana

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:57:43 GMT

--------

On Wed, 26 May 1999 03:19:09 GMT, Jim Thompson <brew@gte.net> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Has anyone heard about this?  What is it for?  Where do you buy it?



The aboveground parts of any Arnica sp. (including Arnica montana) are excellent

for external traumas like bruises, contusions, dislocations, sprains etc. - but

don't put your arnica salve or oil on open wounds.



Internally you'll be helped by the homeopathic remedy for the same things (and

perhaps others as well, I don't know).



Cheers

Henriette



--

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

                -+- over 1200 plant pictures online -+-

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: arnica montana

From: "MindSpring User" <rjmozer@mindspring.com>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:57:36 -0400

--------

Hello Henriette.  I thought that arnica should not

be taken internally.  Is this incorrect?  My herb

dealer was very specific re NOT ingesting it.

Maybe I misunderstood your statement:

Internally you'll be helped by the homeopathic remedy.

Please clarify.



Thanks.

Betsy





Henriette Kress wrote in message <37564423.9012092@uutiset.saunalahti.fi>...

>On Wed, 26 May 1999 03:19:09 GMT, Jim Thompson <brew@gte.net> wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>Has anyone heard about this?  What is it for?  Where do you buy it?

>

>The aboveground parts of any Arnica sp. (including Arnica montana) are

excellent

>for external traumas like bruises, contusions, dislocations, sprains etc. -

but

>don't put your arnica salve or oil on open wounds.

>

>Internally you'll be helped by the homeopathic remedy for the same things

(and

>perhaps others as well, I don't know).

>

>Cheers

>Henriette

>

>--

>hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

>                -+- over 1200 plant pictures online -+-

>Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: MindSpring User <rjmozer@mindspring.com>

Subject: Re: arnica montana

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:17:04 -0400

--------

Homeopathic arnica that is intended for internal use is not actually the herb

itself, but an "energetic" preparation. It's like the homeopathic remedies which

use poison ivy--they are so dilute as to not have any physical presences of all.



Homeopathic uses of herbs differs drastically (in most cases) from herbalism's

use of the actual plants themselves. It's important to not confuse the two. Both

are alternative practices (alternative to allopathic, that is), but very

different from one another.



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



MindSpring User wrote:



> Hello Henriette.  I thought that arnica should not

> be taken internally.  Is this incorrect?  My herb

> dealer was very specific re NOT ingesting it.

> Maybe I misunderstood your statement:

> Internally you'll be helped by the homeopathic remedy.

> Please clarify.

>

> Thanks.

> Betsy

>

> Henriette Kress wrote in message <37564423.9012092@uutiset.saunalahti.fi>...

> >On Wed, 26 May 1999 03:19:09 GMT, Jim Thompson <brew@gte.net> wrote in

> >alt.folklore.herbs:

> >

> >>Has anyone heard about this?  What is it for?  Where do you buy it?

> >

> >The aboveground parts of any Arnica sp. (including Arnica montana) are

> excellent

> >for external traumas like bruises, contusions, dislocations, sprains etc. -

> but

> >don't put your arnica salve or oil on open wounds.

> >

> >Internally you'll be helped by the homeopathic remedy for the same things

> (and

> >perhaps others as well, I don't know).

> >

> >Cheers

> >Henriette

> >

> >--

> >hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

> >                -+- over 1200 plant pictures online -+-

> >Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...







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Subject: Re: arnica montana

From: microtex@geocities.com (Alexius)

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 06:01:00 GMT

--------

Arnica is a well known herb. I think its main usage is when there is a broken bone.

It seems to aid in the healing process. 



On Wed, 26 May 1999 03:19:09 GMT, Jim Thompson <brew@gte.net> wrote:



==Has anyone heard about this?  What is it for?  Where do you buy it?

==Thanks, Sue







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Mint for removal of aphids

From: "Paulette" <pcullarn@ihug.co.nz>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:08:29 +1200

--------

Has anyone got the recipe for green fly spray that you can make from mint

please? ............. Paulette











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Brahmi extract - anybody heard of it?

From: Ruiseart agus Ceit <raven@networx.net.au>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:45:09 +0800

--------

Hi all, can anyone give me any info on Brahmi? I can't find it in any of

my reference books, but was told it is a ground herb root distributed in

tablet form, and supposedly good for memory. At $195AUD for 180 tablets

I'm more than a little wary. Anybody else have a suggestion besides

rosemary for memory enhancement?........Now, what was I saying? <G>, 

Thanks, Ceit. 



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Subject: Re: Brahmi extract - anybody heard of it?

From: "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:13:01 GMT

--------

Brahmi is not exactly gota kola (hydrocotyl asiatica), but most Ayurvedic

sources tell me that it can be used the same way and is generally used

interchangeably, most not even recognizing that there may be a difference.

In India it is used as a major brain tonic and in Ayurvedic medicine

especially for the memory and for affectations of  the nervous and

circulatory systems. It has other usage as well. It is quite stimulating

(not to use before bed) and a tablespoon can be brought to a boil and

allowed to slightly simmer for 5 minutes with cardamom, milk, a dash of

clove, (and honey) for a refreshing tea. You can add green tea in with the

above as well (tasty).



A friend of mine who suffered from a stroke resulting in memory loss and

speech association said that it was the only thing that helped and that he

attributed much of his recovery to that, a clean diet, and to yoga. A source

for Brahmi oil is http://www.ayurveda-world.com/  but they can also supply

the dried herb if you write them. Also most natural food stores here carry

gota kola herb bulk. The prices should be much lower than your quote.



Also of course, gingko is widely recommended for certain types of memory

also, but I have not used it with any success. Thanks.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: chinese medicine for Liver problem

From: "marcus" <marcus@tdinfo.com>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:04:30 +0800

--------

any one using the chinese medicine "Pien Tze Huang" for Liver problem?

we want to some first hand comments of this product!

thanks.

marcus.













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: diabetes type II - Yu Xiao San 8805

From: "marcus" <marcus@tdinfo.com>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:01:44 +0800

--------

anyone using Yu Xiao Sau 8805?

pls give us some comments about this products!

thanks.

marcus









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bulk leaf dulse source?

From: qsmd@datasync.com (John A. Erickson)

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:09:54 GMT

--------

Does anyone know a reliable mail order source of

leaf dulse in bulk?











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: rhodiola rosea

From: Charles Wauters <apgouka@xs4all.nl>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:11:47 +0200

--------

I am looking for Rhodiola rosea in crude form, tincture or extract. Who

can help ?

Thanks

Charles.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: rhodiola rosea

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:03:16 GMT

--------

On Wed, 26 May 1999 15:11:47 +0200, Charles Wauters <apgouka@xs4all.nl> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I am looking for Rhodiola rosea in crude form, tincture or extract. Who

>can help ?



I haven't seen it in any catalogs, but it's in lots of plant shops over here.

You might want to buy a couple of plants and use the root when they have grown

big and strong (or as big and strong as Rhodiola rosea gets...).



You can use the leaf in salads.



If you're after the adaptogen effects of roseroot there's always alternatives:

you could use nettle seeds (Urtica dioica), or ginseng leaf (Panax sp.), or

Leuzea root or seed, or or or ...



Cheers

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Psyllium question

From: "lady" <ladye@@nospamearthling.net>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:14:21 -0500

--------

On advice, I am taking Psyllium capsules (500 mg) 3 times a day to

(hopefully) get rid of achy hemorrhoids. Does anyone know if this is enough,

or too much? Any other advice? Thank U kindly.... Lady









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Psyllium question

From: "louise & mike gourdoux" <lgourdoux@centuryinter.net>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:41:24 -0500

--------

Hi,

  Ok, by my calculations 2 500 mg psyllium capsules contain 1 gram of fiber,

so if you are taking 3 per day you are getting 1 1/3 gram of fiber from

them. This in and of itself would not be enough fiber to correct your

problem. Hopefully you are getting fiber in other areas of your diet. What I

did for the same problem was to count the total number of grams of fiber I

consumed each day. First I worked up to ten grams and then very SLOWLY

increased this until I was near 30 grams. The problem disappeared entirely.

   If you increase you fiber intake too quickly you will experience gas and

cramping. This is quite uncomfortable. I recommend that you look at your

fiber intake right now and very SLOWLY increase it. And also, make sure you

take in enough water. Too much fiber and too little water results in

constipation.

   Good luck

    Mike G



lady wrote in message <7igs12$9r7$1@remarQ.com>...

>On advice, I am taking Psyllium capsules (500 mg) 3 times a day to

>(hopefully) get rid of achy hemorrhoids. Does anyone know if this is

enough,

>or too much? Any other advice? Thank U kindly.... Lady

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Psyllium question

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 27 May 1999 19:50:56 GMT

--------

People with gluten intolerances should be aware that psyllium is a gluten

source.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Oil of Rhodium

From: baddog7@uswest.net

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:16:07 -0600

--------

Can anyone tell me what oil of rhodium is? Thanks





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Asthma and Lobelia - It really works for boy

From: kj5tf@madisoncounty.net (Jim)

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:17:48 GMT

--------

My buddy has a grandson who has been suffering badly with asthma for

YEARS and years! No doctor has ever suggested herbs - I suggested

several herbs and after two months I recieved this email today.



Trust the plants!!!      Jim 



"If you recall a while back you told me about Lobelia in one form or

another to help with asthma.  Well, my son tried it with his boy and

it worked like a champ.  The boy was blowing into this mechanism which

predicts an attack and his recording was 125 (I guess that is low) so

he placed 3 drops of the Lobelia Concentrate on his tongue and within

15 minutes his recording on the blowing machine was over 350 (much

better).  He was impressed and thankful for the information.  Now he

can reduce the amount of steroids the boy is taking to control the

attacks.  I thought you might find thatinteresting."







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: REGARDING THE ADD/RITALIN/ATTACKS NOT herbal

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:49:43 -0400

--------

To the newsgroup,



I'm posting this way because I stopped myself from responding to some of

the recent threads on this topic as they became more and more angry and

vicious. But I did want to talk with the herbal folks on this NG.



I'm not sure why I'm so upset about the posts coming from the ADD

people. The personal attacks on herbassist are very offensive to me. I

suspect that my reaction comes from my having been attacked on other

newsgroups.



What I find particularly discouraging is that I've seen Herbassist

posting thoughtful responses to people who are so angry and

self-righteous that they stoop to the level of personal attack, cursing,

saying he's trying to sell a product. In all the times I've seen him

post on this NG, he's never been selling anything. He's only been

sharing knowledge, and in pretty good detail, too.



I suspect that I speak for a number of people on this NG when I say I

don't like MLM, and I dislike intensely people who push products (even

though my website is commercial). But that's never been Herbassist's

agenda.



I suppose these people who are on the attack just have to justify their

existence at no matter what cost. The sad thing is, why they can't allow

that, just because an alternative might not seem to work for them, that

it might work for someone else.



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/









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Subject: Re: REGARDING THE ADD/RITALIN/ATTACKS NOT herbal

From: "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:50:19 GMT

--------

Catherine, an excellent observation and attempt. I actually have had

correspondence with some of these posters, who are very distraught for

various reasons, the foremost  being that they or a loved one is suffering

from  ADD and they are running scared. Feeling "out of control" many have

placed their trust and faith in high tech drugs and look toward it as a

savior. Contradictions to that not only threaten their misplaced trust and

sense of identity (self), but also indirectly tell those who are parents

that they may be "poisoning" their children. So some of them get defensive

and go on the offensive (being already emotionally/mentally agitated over

their situation in the first place). Of course this doesn't justify abusive

behaviour, but we must realize that we are not dealing with "normal"

mental/emotional function here.



Now of course, I suppose that if I was in "their" condition, I would be very

open to alternatives (I think the Herbasst is a intelligent, well meaning,

informed, and valuable asset), but their present emotional/mental

"situation" obviously is not.



The main problem is that these ADD and Ritalin posts are cross posts

(originating in the alt.add conference. They are posted by people who have

become dependent upon  drugs and thus have concluded that without drugs,

pharmaceutical companies, and high technology, their way of life would be

even more severely deficient. For the most part, they have no desire to go

natural or herbal nor are they asking for herbal assistance. Thus I have

asked two members of that group to inquire on how to stop the cross posting

as the mix is like a match in oil i.e., two conflicting belief systems.



I believe that this ng is for those who love herbs and are into nature's

healing powers, while the predilection in the other ng is very contrary to

that basic belief. I don't think either ng is going to interact well nor be

able to change the minds of the other, so that is why I have suggested that

the cross postings be stopped ('twas a noble experiment). I don't know how

to do this other than let it die while having someone in alt.add start up a

new thread?  Since stumbling into this situation last month, I no longer

even read these above mentioned cross posted threads, but in the meanwhile

your post may help warn the casual poster who does not realize that their

well intentioned post will be cross posted to another "hostile" new group.



Yes, I really like the fact that everyone here (relatively speaking) is into

sharing without the need to defensively/offensively degrade, demean, abuse,

or flame those whom disagree with them. It's a good basis for learning and

dialogue. Thanks for your obvious concern. Again my suggestion is to stop

the cross posting but I do not know how. Maybe someone else has a more

functional solution?



love

Don









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Subject: Re: REGARDING THE ADD/RITALIN/ATTACKS NOT herbal

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 26 May 1999 20:10:01 GMT

--------

>To the newsgroup,

>

>I'm posting this way because I stopped myself from responding to some of

>the recent threads on this topic as they became more and more angry and

>vicious. But I did want to talk with the herbal folks on this NG.

>

>I'm not sure why I'm so upset about the posts coming from the ADD

>people. The personal attacks on herbassist are very offensive to me. I

>suspect that my reaction comes from my having been attacked on other

>newsgroups.

>

>What I find particularly discouraging is that I've seen Herbassist

>posting thoughtful responses to people who are so angry and

>self-righteous that they stoop to the level of personal attack, cursing,

>saying he's trying to sell a product. In all the times I've seen him

>post on this NG, he's never been selling anything. He's only been

>sharing knowledge, and in pretty good detail, too.

>

>I suspect that I speak for a number of people on this NG when I say I

>don't like MLM, and I dislike intensely people who push products (even

>though my website is commercial). But that's never been Herbassist's

>agenda.

>

>I suppose these people who are on the attack just have to justify their

>existence at no matter what cost. The sad thing is, why they can't allow

>that, just because an alternative might not seem to work for them, that

>it might work for someone else.

>

>Cathy, Wise Weeds

>http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/

>



Thanks for the support Catherine. I have been working in medicine, between

conventional and alternative medicines, for 20 years. During htis time I have

done a lot of personal research as well. I want to try to get out as much of

this information, to people who wish to listen, as possible before I leave

medicine. I have always enjoyed teaching anyway, and often teach herb classes

or take people on nature walks to show them the medicinal and edibleplants in

the area. But there are other things I wish to do for the rest of my life, so I

plan to eventually leave the medical field. Though before I leave I plan to put

a lot of my writings in to book form so this information is again available for

those who  are interested.





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Subject: red clover questions

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:47:28 -0500

--------

I was wondering exactly how it is that red clover is effective as a cancer

treatment/preventative measure. I have a friend with psoriasis and I was

wondering if the red clover inhibits cellular overgrowth, then wouldn't it

inhibit overgrowth of skin cells as well?



--

Hilary

________________________________________



Practical Magic for your home, body, and spirit:



http://members.xoom.com/practclmagic/

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Subject: Re: red clover questions

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 26 May 1999 22:21:28 GMT

--------

>I was wondering exactly how it is that red clover is effective as a cancer

>treatment/preventative measure. I have a friend with psoriasis and I was

>wondering if the red clover inhibits cellular overgrowth, then wouldn't it

>inhibit overgrowth of skin cells as well?

>



Red clover contains 4 phytoestrogens. Phytoestrogens are very weak estrogenic

compounds that lock up estrogen receptors. By doing this they can block the

cellular division effects of stronger estrogens from the body, pharmaceutical

estrogens, and xenoestrogens.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: red clover questions

From: jwwright <jwwright@livingston.net>

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 01:59:58 GMT

--------

HerbAssist wrote:

> 

> >I was wondering exactly how it is that red clover is effective as a cancer

> >treatment/preventative measure. I have a friend with psoriasis and I was

> >wondering if the red clover inhibits cellular overgrowth, then wouldn't it

> >inhibit overgrowth of skin cells as well?

> >

> 

> Red clover contains 4 phytoestrogens. Phytoestrogens are very weak estrogenic

> compounds that lock up estrogen receptors. By doing this they can block the

> cellular division effects of stronger estrogens from the body, pharmaceutical

> estrogens, and xenoestrogens.



I've seen this for sale as dried (flowers?), but how do you use it?



regards.





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Subject: Re: red clover questions

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 27 May 1999 19:52:57 GMT

--------

>> >I was wondering exactly how it is that red clover is effective as a cancer

>> >treatment/preventative measure. I have a friend with psoriasis and I was

>> >wondering if the red clover inhibits cellular overgrowth, then wouldn't it

>> >inhibit overgrowth of skin cells as well?

>> >

>> 

>> Red clover contains 4 phytoestrogens. Phytoestrogens are very weak

>estrogenic

>> compounds that lock up estrogen receptors. By doing this they can block the

>> cellular division effects of stronger estrogens from the body,

>pharmaceutical

>> estrogens, and xenoestrogens.

>

>I've seen this for sale as dried (flowers?), but how do you use it?

>



Generally people make a tea from the flowers. Personally I poweder it and mix

it with other herbs, the capsule it.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: Hilary <hily@camalott.com>

Subject: Re: red clover questions

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:48:21 -0400

--------



Hilary,



I've posted some of this info here and elsewhere, but here goes again.



Donald Yance, in "Dietary, Herbal and Nutritional Strategies

for Treating and Preventing Cancer (November 1995 Update) says:



     "Isoflavons cause cancer cells to differentiate and turn more primitive,

     less specialized and less deadly (Pro.Amer. Assoc. Cancer Res. 34:555,

     1993) This has a beneficial effect on breast cancer, prostate cancer and

     other hormonal-receptor type cancers. Genistein also posesses an

     anti-angiogensis effect on tumors. Angiogenesis is the process of

     generating new capillary blood vessels, a critical step in the growth and



     proliferation of solid tumors. Genistein inhibits aniogensis by

     neutralizing vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF), the substance put



     out by tumors to encourage blood vessel nourishment. (Soybean

     Phytochemicals-Walker, 1995).



     Isoflavons also exert a mild estrogenic effect that may help relieve or

     eliminate the symptons of menopause. (Soybean Phytochemicals-Walker,

1995)

     The isoflavons present in soybeans are greatly enhanced during the

     fermentation process. This means one should eat soybean foods such as

     tempeh, miso, shoyu (soy sauce) and natto along with other non-fermented

     soybean foods." (END OF YANCE QUOTE)



In addition to soy products, Yance points out that Red Clover,  Trifolium

pratense,

has genistein. Red clover is often used as a herb to help cleanse the lymph

system

in general and is especially helpful for persons dealing with cancer.



Hope this helps.



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



Hilary wrote:



> I was wondering exactly how it is that red clover is effective as a cancer

> treatment/preventative measure. I have a friend with psoriasis and I was

> wondering if the red clover inhibits cellular overgrowth, then wouldn't it

> inhibit overgrowth of skin cells as well?

>

> --

> Hilary

> ________________________________________

>

> Practical Magic for your home, body, and spirit:

>

> http://members.xoom.com/practclmagic/

> ________________________________________







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Subject: sugar cravings

From: "rosie@readandpost" <root@.127.0.0.1>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:46:21 -0500

--------





i am following a low carb diet, but still have sugar cravings?

are there any herbs that will help me with this?



rosie















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Subject: Re: sugar cravings

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 01:29:53 -0500

--------

Someone just mentioned recently that patchouli is purported to be good for

food cravings. Others have suggested that vanilla perfume oils or chocolate

perfume oils help (not "therapeutically" but psychologically). Vanilla

absolute is supposed to help too if you can tolerate the cost.



--

Hilary



"I know yesterday was Friday, but it would

be just like Monday to bump off Saturday

and Sunday so it could get me sooner."

                                                                 -- Garfield

________________________________________

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http://members.xoom.com/practclmagic/



rosie@readandpost <root@.127.0.0.1> wrote in message

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|

|

| i am following a low carb diet, but still have sugar cravings?

| are there any herbs that will help me with this?

|

| rosie

|

|

|

|

|









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Subject: Re: sugar cravings

From: "marcus" <marcus@tdinfo.com>

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:51:24 +0800

--------

you may try astragalus mambranaceous. it is commonly used in US and Asia.

regards, marcus.













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Subject: Re: sugar cravings

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:22:59 GMT

--------

"rosie@readandpost" <root@.127.0.0.1> wrote:





>i am following a low carb diet, but still have sugar cravings?

>are there any herbs that will help me with this?



Rosie-

  If you are drinking "diet" soft drinks, using artifical

sweeteners, or even herbal sweeteners,  STOP!  The phony

sweetners keep your sweet tooth alive.  



  Another thing to consider is that your metabolism might be

trying to tell you something ... maybe you went too far with the

low carbohydrate idea.





Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sugar cravings

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 27 May 1999 19:58:34 GMT

--------

>i am following a low carb diet, but still have sugar cravings?

>are there any herbs that will help me with this?

>



The amino acid L-glutamine is the only substance other than glucose the brain

can use directly as a fuel source. It can trick the brain in to believing that

it is receiving sufficient glucose and thereby curb the desire for sugars. It

should be taken on an empty stomach since other amino acids could interfere

with it's absorption.

You may also want to have your blood sugar levels checked.

And remember to drink plenty of water if you are eating a lot of protein so you

do not damage your kidneys.





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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera - Any good for Osteo-Arthritis?

From: Gem <gemfaith@my-deja.com>

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:26:54 GMT

--------

I agree that aloe vera doesn't come up as an arthritis remedy in any

sources I've got.  But arthritis, like cancer and allergies, is a

problem resulting from a weakened immune system, isn't it?  The same

type of long term strengthening of the immune system program should be

helpful, with some white willow, scullcap,  and/or feverfew added for

the pain.



Try putting together some of the immune strengthening herbs like red

clover, astragalus, and nettles, combined with horsetail for tissue

healing around the bones and joints.  I think that combination is fairly

drinkable, so it would work as a tea.



These herbs would be part of a long term healing process, not a quick

fix.



-- Gem







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Subject: Re: Gallstones was: Any success in dissolving kidney stones?

From: "Kay Henson" <no_one@nowhere.com>

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:43:59 -0500

--------

There are foods on the diet protocol. There were both fresh vegetables and

fruits for the 9 day diet and the 5 day diet. There are other diets fasts,

but you need to be under the supervision of a trained professional and you

do have a "pre-digested, liquid food" and you also need to keep your blood

sugar level at an even keel.



Kay



http://www.herbcare.com





Innocent Bystander <innoent-bystander@hushmail.com> wrote in message

news:374c1114.2191539@news.supernews.com...

> Thanks, does this mean eating no other foods at all while on this diet?

Am

> wondering about vitamins & nutrition etc.











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Subject: herbs as pesticides

From: DireWolfer@webtv.net

Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:31:38 -0700 (MST)

--------

Hi there! I was just wondering if any of you know of any herbs or

remedies to use as a pest repellant, i dont want to kill them but keep

them out of my house!(ants,spiders,sunspiders,scorpions-i live in the

desert)

thanx!

april







~*Made With Love*~

http://madewithlove.org



"To me a tree is more beautiful than a cathedral. The tree is the

kingdom of god on earth. A tree is the pure land."

                .....Thich Nhat Hanh







      







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Subject: Re: herbs as pesticides

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:42:42 GMT

--------

DireWolfer@webtv.net wrote:



>Hi there! I was just wondering if any of you know of any herbs or

>remedies to use as a pest repellant, i dont want to kill them but keep

>them out of my house!(ants,spiders,sunspiders,scorpions-i live in the

>desert)



April-

  They need food, shelter and water.  Deny them that, and they

will not be able to stay long.  Add some predators and their

number will be minimized.  And don't forget barriers to keep them

out. 

  Start with the outdoors, immediately around the foundation. 



food - Immaculate cleanliness inside and out, especially leaving

no dirty dishes and food spills.  Take food garbage out nightly

and have the trash can as far away form the house as possible.

All recycling containers should be tight-topped to keep rests out

of the soda cans.  Don't leave pet food or poop out to attract

pests. 



shelter -  Clutter, inside and out, gives them hiding places.

Keep the area next to your foundation raked and preferable bare

dirt or gravel for the width of a rake.  Get rid of cutesy

decorarions, and especially stacks of old boxes, magazines and

newspapers.  If you want to keep these items, seal them in

plastic baga and stack them on shelves.

  Keep everything off the ground or floor level if possible. 



water - Fix leaking faucets inside and out.



predators - I put all my patio pots on pebble tripods.  Not only

can I flush debris out with a hose, it gives lizards a place to

hide from the cats.  I have far fewer spiders, roaches, and

crickets since I gave the lizards better housing.  They seldom 

come inside.



barriers - Caulk around ALL pipes, seal all vent holes with

screening (metal window screening), and make sure your doors and

windows are caulked around the frame.  Get door flaps.

  Chemical barriers: Liberally dust boric acid (that roach

powder) under the kitchen appliances, in all plumbing access

areas, and if you can get to it, under the kitchen cabinets. 

Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: TIA Mg - insomnia, sleepless

From: "marcus" <marcus@tdinfo.com>

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:05:33 +0800

--------

Hi, a herb tea from 'bohong' can cure insomnia. If you haven't slove your

problem. I may send you some to try!

- marcus









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: What are the physiological properties of alkaloids?

From: richngill@my-deja.com

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:22:23 GMT

--------

All I can find is vague references!



Thanks...



Rich





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Subject: Re: What are the physiological properties of alkaloids?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:47:12 GMT

--------

richngill@my-deja.com wrote:



>All I can find is vague references!

>

  Which alkaloid?  they are a general class of chemical compounds

with many attributes. 

Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: What are the physiological properties of alkaloids?

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 27 May 1999 22:27:33 GMT

--------

>>All I can find is vague references!

>>

>  Which alkaloid?  they are a general class of chemical compounds

>with many attributes. 

>Tsu Dho Nimh

>



Correct. Caffeine, nicotine, morphine, and strychnine are all alkaloids with

different physiological properties.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: gallstone oil flush

From: michaelb@dingo.vu.edu.au (michael)

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:04:21 GMT

--------

My concern (fear) with the oil flush is that one or more stones get

stuck in the bile duct as they're passed...that means excruciating

pain followed by immediate surgery...



Anyone have any thoughts/experiences?



Michael





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: gallstone oil flush

From: henryyllwb@aol.com (HenryYllwB)

Date: 27 May 1999 13:42:32 GMT

--------

Although I missed the earlier part of this thread, I have heard of the olive

oil flush for gallstones being effective...  Anecdotally, I heard of a

successful complete flush 2 weeks before scheduled surgery...This guy drank 4

oz of extra virgin, twice daily and his stones vanished...Surgery was not

necessary... I also know of a case where it didn't work, but I do suspect the

patient of less than diligence with respect to the dosage...



I would definately try olive oil before going under the knife....Good Luck!!





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: gallstone oil flush

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 27 May 1999 19:42:49 GMT

--------

>My concern (fear) with the oil flush is that one or more stones get

>stuck in the bile duct as they're passed...that means excruciating

>pain followed by immediate surgery...

>



Large amounts of oil will cause the gallbladder to contract which could force a

stone in to a bile duct. Personally I would not recommend this procedure.

There is also some doubt as to whether or not stones are even being passed. I

have heard on several occasions that what people are believing are gallstones

are actually a byproduct of the oil and lemon juice. I fforgot the details, but

they were basically saying that the "stones" are being produced by a chemicla

reaction of the oil and lemon juice in the body. You can probably find this

information easily with a search on Infoseek or Deja News.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: buying capsules

From: Fred Morenberg <fredm@rockland.net>

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:28:36 GMT

--------



buying capsules



I am currently taking a herb that has the most god awful taste I have

ever had the misfortune to try.  I would like to find a resource for

gelatin capsules that I can fill

myself.  Does anyone have any suggestions?



FRED











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Subject: Re: buying capsules

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 28 May 1999 07:18:04 GMT

--------

>>> Try your local co-op. <<

>

>What does the Co-Op use these gelatin capsules for please?

>



A lot of health food stores sell empty gel caps so people can capsule their own

herbs. The usual sizes run from the most popular '0' caps to the largest '000'

caps, sometimes referred to as horse pills.

Vegetarian capsules are also available. They are made with no animal products

like regular gelatin caps.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: buying capsules

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 29 May 1999 00:22:54 GMT

--------

Drug stores used to sell them back when I was putting things other than herbs

into them.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: St.John's Wort  - Bad dreams?

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:04:13 -0700

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I'd be more concerned about the paxil and her B/P meds....and no paxil if

she's on coumadin.









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Subject: Re: St.John's Wort  - Bad dreams?

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:12:06 GMT

--------

I'd like to know why you've increased the dosage from 1 capsule daily to 3

capsules daily over a period of only two weeks when it generally takes

around a month to judge an effect from SJW.



-Rich



Montaigne <montaigne@montaigne.net> wrote in message

news:MPG.11b7281395d7aed0989689@news2.electrinet.com...

> I've been taking St.John's Wort for about 2 weeks now. It comes in 250mg

> capsules  (not standardized extract).  I took 1 capsule daily for a week

> and 2 capsules daily for a few days with no problems.  But when I started

> taking  3 capsules a day I started getting rather awful dreams each

> night.  So far it's been like this 4 nights in a row.  It's very unusual

> for me to have bad dreams like this: the only other time I've had such

> disturbing dreams was when I skipped my paxil and when I quit taking it.

> I waited over a month between stopping paxil and starting  St.John's Wort

> so it shouldn't be the result of any weird interaction.

>

> Has anyone had a similar experience?

>

> Montaigne









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Subject: Re: St.John's Wort  - Bad dreams?

From: montaigne@montaigne.net (Montaigne)

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:33:18 -0400

--------

Richard Ogden wrote:

> I'd like to know why you've increased the dosage from 1 capsule daily to 3

> capsules daily over a period of only two weeks when it generally takes

> around a month to judge an effect from SJW.

> 



I increased the dosage because the "therapeutic" dosage is 900mg 

(standardized .3%) daily.  Sure I could take one capsule daily for one 

month, then increase to 2 capsules for one month, but since the resources 

available to me already state what the optimal amount is, why not start 

with that? 



Montaigne





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Subject: Re: St.John's Wort  - Bad dreams?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:21:08 GMT

--------

montaigne@montaigne.net (Montaigne) wrote:



>I've been taking St.John's Wort for about 2 weeks now. It comes in 250mg 

>capsules  (not standardized extract).  I took 1 capsule daily for a week 

>and 2 capsules daily for a few days with no problems.  But when I started 

>taking  3 capsules a day I started getting rather awful dreams each 

>night.  

  The solution is obvious ... take 2 capsules a day.  



>I waited over a month between stopping paxil and starting  St.John's Wort 

>so it shouldn't be the result of any weird interaction.

  It's the SJW.  Remember that it IS altering your brain

chemistry.  

Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: St.John's Wort  - Bad dreams?

From: montaigne@montaigne.net (Montaigne)

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:42:12 -0400

--------

Sue milham wrote:

> I'm just wondering why you quit the Paxil, and what your dosage was.  It was

> recently recommended for my 85 yr old mother, who is getting bouts of

> depression and diagnosed by her internist as early dementia.  I'm thinking St.

> Johns has too many interactions with her BP med, etc.



I took 30mg for about 2 months, and stopped because of the side effects. 

I was twitching a lot when my muscles relaxed, and while the the 

twitching wasn't completely intolerable, it wasn't something I wanted to 

deal with for the long term.  Who knows what the Paxil was doing to my 

nervous system! 



I really don't know anything about Paxil's effects on the elderly who are 

taking other medications, as I'm young and when I was on paxil it was the 

only medication I was on.



Montaigne





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Subject: Re: St.John's Wort  - Bad dreams?

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:34:58 -0500

--------

I have read in soc.depression.treatment the overall agreement that many Dr's

really don't know what dosage to start someone on, so they tend to start

high. Many people who are experienced with prescriptions simply start

themselves out on 1/2 a tablet.



Hilary



Sue milham <suemilham@aol.com> wrote in message

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| I was talking with a neighbor, in her 40's, who says Paxil has helped her

| immensely, but she takes 10 mg.  My mother was prescribed 20 mg.  Since I

| haven't researched this yet, I'm just wondering why you started with such

a

| high dose.











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Subject: Re: St.John's Wort  - Bad dreams?

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:42:07 -0700

--------

paxil makes the coumadin work harder and your blood gets too thin. Risk of

bleeding internally.



Ingrid









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Subject: Re: St.John's Wort  - Bad dreams?

From: montaigne@montaigne.net (Montaigne)

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:42:12 -0400

--------

Sue milham wrote:



> I was talking with a neighbor, in her 40's, who says Paxil has helped her

> immensely, but she takes 10 mg.  My mother was prescribed 20 mg.  Since I

> haven't researched this yet, I'm just wondering why you started with such a

> high dose.

> 



I didn't start with 30mg. I was on 10mg for a few days and then 20mg for 

2 weeks before I was upped to 30mg.  Actually, I think (or, I know) that 

they shouldn't have been in such a rush to up me to 30mg since paxil, 

like other SSRIs, can take a month to have any effect. 



20mg is usually the therapeutic dose when it comes to paxil, but I have 

read that the elderly are more sensitive to medication so a lower dose 

may be therapeutic for them. Look up paxil (paroxetine) at 

www.mentalhealth.com for more information.



Montaigne







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Subject: Re: St.John's Wort  - Bad dreams?

From: montaigne@montaigne.net (Montaigne)

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:00:59 -0400

--------

Sue milham wrote:

> I'm just wondering why you quit the Paxil, and what your dosage was.  It was

> recently recommended for my 85 yr old mother, who is getting bouts of

> depression and diagnosed by her internist as early dementia.  I'm thinking St.

> Johns has too many interactions with her BP med, etc.





I forgot to mention this before - when I stopped taking paxil I suffered 

some rather horrible withdrawal.  Paxil is addictive, one of those nice 

tidbits that the docs somehow forget to mention. I only took it for a 

couple of months, but the withdrawal lasted two weeks (the worst was over 

in about one week).  Imagine taking it for a year and then trying to 

stop.  Shudder...  My withdrawal symptoms were reminiscent of an 

extremely severe case of the flu, but without the high fever.  The 

withdrawal started with nightmares, then night sweats, then the flu-like 

symptoms hit. I was dizzy and exhausted, had a headache, and for several 

days couldn't get out of bed. Even turning over in bed made me dizzy, and 

I was already lying down!   



Take a look here:

http://x29.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/dnquery.xp?search=next&DBS=1&LNG=ALL&

IS=paxil%20withdrawal&svcclass=dnserver&ST=PS&offsets=&svcclass=dnserver&

CONTEXT=927921355.1862139911



Montaigne





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Subject: Re: St.John's Wort  - Bad dreams?

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:20:10 -0700

--------

>>>.  Paxil is addictive, one of those nice

tidbits that the docs somehow forget to mention. I only took it for a

couple of months, but the withdrawal lasted two weeks (the worst was over

in about one week).  Imagine taking it for a year and then trying to

stop.  Shudder...  My withdrawal symptoms were reminiscent of an

extremely severe case of the flu, but without the high fever.  The

withdrawal started with nightmares, then night sweats, then the flu-like

symptoms hit. I was dizzy and exhausted, had a headache, and for several

days couldn't get out of bed. Even turning over in bed made me dizzy, and

I was already lying down!





Paxil is not addictive, what you had was a physical dependence. DIfferent

thing altogether.  This withdrawal does happen but it's not common.  Lucky

you!











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Subject: Re: St.John's Wort  - Bad dreams?

From: "louise & mike gourdoux" <lgourdoux@centuryinter.net>

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:43:38 -0500

--------



>

>Paxil is not addictive, what you had was a physical dependence. DIfferent

>thing altogether.



What is the difference between these two things? I have heard of

psychological dependence being different that physical addiction, but always

thought addiction WAS physical dependence????

       Mike G









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Subject: Re: St.John's Wort  - Bad dreams?

From: abraxen@hotmail.com

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 04:35:40 GMT

--------

"ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com> wrote:



>>>>.  Paxil is addictive, one of those nice

>tidbits that the docs somehow forget to mention. I only took it for a

>couple of months, but the withdrawal lasted two weeks (the worst was over

>in about one week).  Imagine taking it for a year and then trying to

>stop.  Shudder...  My withdrawal symptoms were reminiscent of an

>extremely severe case of the flu, but without the high fever.  The

>withdrawal started with nightmares, then night sweats, then the flu-like

>symptoms hit. I was dizzy and exhausted, had a headache, and for several

>days couldn't get out of bed. Even turning over in bed made me dizzy, and

>I was already lying down!

>

>

>Paxil is not addictive, what you had was a physical dependence. DIfferent

>thing altogether.  This withdrawal does happen but it's not common.  Lucky

>you!

>

>

>

My GirlFriend was taking 20mg of Paxil and had bad withdraw from about

2 weeks.  She took it for over 6 months.  It is like he said very

dizzy, headache, and upset stomach.  I would not recomend paxil to

anyone after what she went through.  





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Subject: Re: St.John's Wort  - Bad dreams?

From: "Jacqui McIntosh" <jacqui@bayberry.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:46:29 +0100

--------

well I know that when taken as a flower essence st John's wort deals with

fears, so  perhaps it is having this effect on you. Maybe look at the fears

that are represented in your dreams.....I am sure the plant is acting as a

helping hand, but if it is freaking you out, stop taking it! I have found

that herbs not just flower essences, often work on this level, through

dreams, and  it seems to be a way of clearing emotions. You often wake up

and feel like you have let something go and it doesn't require any deep self

analysis. You get the opportunity through the dream to experience the

emotion completely, and doing so it transforms and changes.



Jacqui







Montaigne <montaigne@montaigne.net> wrote in message

news:MPG.11b7281395d7aed0989689@news2.electrinet.com...

> I've been taking St.John's Wort for about 2 weeks now. It comes in 250mg

> capsules  (not standardized extract).  I took 1 capsule daily for a week

> and 2 capsules daily for a few days with no problems.  But when I started

> taking  3 capsules a day I started getting rather awful dreams each

> night.  So far it's been like this 4 nights in a row.  It's very unusual

> for me to have bad dreams like this: the only other time I've had such

> disturbing dreams was when I skipped my paxil and when I quit taking it.

> I waited over a month between stopping paxil and starting  St.John's Wort

> so it shouldn't be the result of any weird interaction.

>

> Has anyone had a similar experience?

>

> Montaigne









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Subject: kava kava - no good for Liver?

From: "marcus" <marcus@tdinfo.com>

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:32:53 +0800

--------

any one knows that Kava Kava is no good for Liver?

any details?

thanks. marcus.









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Subject: Re: new hope for hair regrowth

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 27 May 1999 19:48:50 GMT

--------

>>MSM is supposed to be real good for hair growth. I  wonder if a topical

>>ointment with MSM in it would help?!?!   Loralsl2@aol.com

>

>What is MSM?

>



MSM (methylsulfonylmethane) is a sulfur bearing compound, sometimes refrred to

as organic sulfur. It is a little over 30% sulfur by weight, and in the body is

converted in to elemental sulfur. It does occur naturally, but the majority off

MSM sold on the market  is derived fromthe industrial solvent DMSO (dimethyl

sulfoxide).





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Subject: Re: new hope for hair regrowth

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 28 May 1999 18:29:42 GMT

--------

>MSM (methylsulfonylmethane) is a sulfur bearing compound, sometimes refrred

>to

>as organic sulfur. It is a little over 30% sulfur by weight, and in the body

>is

>converted in to elemental sulfur. It does occur naturally, but the majority

>off

>MSM sold on the market  is derived fromthe industrial solvent DMSO (dimethyl

>sulfoxide).



Where would it occur naturally?



Belinda







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Subject: Kidney stones; Diabetes; High Blood Pressure

From: "pearl davy" <dubby@ihorizons.net>

Date: 28 May 1999 01:07:21 GMT

--------

I have all of the above.  I am wondering if anyone out there can tell me if

I can use echinachea for colds.  







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Subject: Re: Kidney stones; Diabetes; High Blood Pressure

From: oohrah@monumental.com (Betsy O'Reilly)

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 01:29:35 GMT

--------

Hi.  Yes, echinacea (purple cone flower) can be used for colds and

flu.  It contains an antibiotic (echinacoside) and can be used as an

immune system stimulant that prevents infection by "revving" up the

immune system.  It contains enchinacein that inhibits invasion of

germs by counteracting a germ's tissue-dissolving enzyme -- the

enabler that allows a germ to penetrate tissue and cause infection.  



It can also be used for healing wounds such as cuts, burns and skin

irritations or for arthritis.  



The root is used:  2 teaspoons of root material per cup of boiling

water; simmered 15 minutes -- drink up to 3 cups a day. 



It's also looks beautiful in the garden!  :0)



 





On 28 May 1999 01:07:21 GMT, "pearl davy" <dubby@ihorizons.net> wrote:



>I have all of the above.  I am wondering if anyone out there can tell me if

>I can use echinachea for colds.  







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Subject: Re: Kidney stones; Diabetes; High Blood Pressure

From: "Edward Lau" <emlau@up.net>

Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:37:10 -0500

--------

Our two plants are just starting new growth from last years root system.

We cut back the tops in the fall. When is the best time to snip some of the

root system and how much can you cut. Every other root.. 1/3..,1/4 of the

plant? Find the tip and cut 1/2 way up to the plant..,1/3..,1/4? Is this a

flavorful tea like mix..,bitter..,woody..,?

Ed

Betsy O'Reilly wrote in message <3755ee48.16193018@news.clark.net>...

>Hi.  Yes, echinacea (purple cone flower) can be used for colds and

>flu.  It contains an antibiotic (echinacoside) and can be used as an

>immune system stimulant that prevents infection by "revving" up the

>immune system.  It contains enchinacein that inhibits invasion of

>germs by counteracting a germ's tissue-dissolving enzyme -- the

>enabler that allows a germ to penetrate tissue and cause infection.

>

>It can also be used for healing wounds such as cuts, burns and skin

>irritations or for arthritis.

>

>The root is used:  2 teaspoons of root material per cup of boiling

>water; simmered 15 minutes -- drink up to 3 cups a day.

>

>It's also looks beautiful in the garden!  :0)

>

>

>

>

>On 28 May 1999 01:07:21 GMT, "pearl davy" <dubby@ihorizons.net> wrote:

>

>>I have all of the above.  I am wondering if anyone out there can tell me

if

>>I can use echinachea for colds.

>









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Subject: Re: Kidney stones; Diabetes; High Blood Pressure

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 28 May 1999 04:36:34 GMT

--------

>> If your MD doesn't know you could check with a naturopathic physician. <<



Or, pharmacist ........



Irwin





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Subject: Ramfang anyone?

From: dlarson@citi-link.com

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 01:51:11 GMT

--------



I purchased a home this fall and have a plant growing in

my yard that the previous owner said was from Iceland.

It is called "Ramfang".  It is used as a hedge.  It has a strong

mint-like smell.  The leaf is large and has a leaf pattern

similar to a carrot top but *much* larger.  It grew back by 

itself this spring.  She said that she thought it was a member

of the mint family. The leaves are not even close at all, but

it really does smell like mint.



Any help learning more about this unique plant would

be welcome.



Dan









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Subject: Re: Test for B-6 deficiency

From: irwingreen@aol.com (IrwinGreen)

Date: 28 May 1999 04:41:09 GMT

--------

>> If it is difficult, if finger joints don't allow tips to reach your palm, a

pyridoxine (B6) deficiency is likely. <<



I doubt if a person could pass this little test with a vitamin deficiency or

not if he/she has arthritis or gout in the fingers or hands.



Irwin





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Subject: Mugwort

From: "F and  K Gallegos" <alchemytravel@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:55:37 -0700

--------

Could someone tell me what part of mugwort is used and for the treatment of

what condition. I have a large plant in my garden.

Thanks

K









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Subject: Re: Dragon's Blood

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 28 May 1999 07:21:00 GMT

--------

>Could someone please enlighten me on what "Dragon's Blood" is?  I found this

>in powder form in an herbal store.  I do know it has a wonderful fragrance,

>but that is all I know about it.

>



It is a resin derived from soaking some fruit in water. I cannot recall the

name of the fruit, or where I read that. It just stuck because it seemed odd to

me to get a resin this way. Anyway, it does have a nice scent and is often

burned as a resin incense. It also makes a wonderful smelling cologne.





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Subject: Re: Dragon's Blood

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:50:38 -0500

--------

mmmm I love Dragon's Blood. If you follow magical uses, it is said to

increase the power of the user's will. If you don't, then it just smells

fantastic. Buy some charcoal tabs (you should find them where you saw the

powder) and you put a little of the resin powder in the hollow of the tab,

and burn the tab. The tab smells strong at first but the resin should soon

bubble and melt and smell glorious, better than when you just smell the

powder. I find it to be a very empowering scent. I don't know if it has any

of the qualities that other incenses or essential oils have on meditation,

but psychologically it does wonders for me.



Hilary





afae <afae@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

news:7il27t$5m7$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...

| Could someone please enlighten me on what "Dragon's Blood" is?  I found

this

| in powder form in an herbal store.  I do know it has a wonderful

fragrance,

| but that is all I know about it.

|

| Thank you.

| Gin

|

|









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Subject: Re: Dragon's Blood

From: peacedawge@aol.com (PeaceDawge)

Date: 29 May 1999 18:54:15 GMT

--------

>If you follow magical uses, it is said to

>increase the power of the user's will.



Yes...I only know of magickal usage for this as well and it is actually burned 

to "uncross" a jinxed person and for improving  luck.

It is ,in fact, thought to be one of the most powerful jinx removers there are

in certain cultures.  :-) 





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Subject: Re: Dragon's Blood

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:17:49 -0500

--------

Hmmm I have never heard it to be used that way... that's very interesting.

Mainly I have seen it used to increase the will of a caster or increase the

power of whatever is being worked.



Hilary



PeaceDawge <peacedawge@aol.com> wrote in message

news:19990529145415.16992.00002398@ng-fd1.aol.com...



| Yes...I only know of magickal usage for this as well and it is actually

burned

| to "uncross" a jinxed person and for improving  luck.

| It is ,in fact, thought to be one of the most powerful jinx removers there

are

| in certain cultures.  :-)

|

| Peace,

| ~*Dawge*~









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Subject: Re: Dragon's Blood

From: peacedawge@aol.com (PeaceDawge)

Date: 31 May 1999 04:27:50 GMT

--------

Yea!...I beleive it would be of benefit to be added to other herbs,resins to

add more power, seeing as it is looked at as very strong in breaking

negativity. There are several herbs that are looked at in such a way as to add

or increase poweras well,such as Bergamot, Asafoetida etc...





For More info like this check here:

http://www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/bayou/9084/herbsmag.html





Peace,

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Subject: Re: Dragon's Blood

From: joe1954@aol.com (Joe1954)

Date: 31 May 1999 05:08:10 GMT

--------

dragons blood ink,or inscense,is used for evil,to harm,you can use a red ink

pen,or,beet juice,for your magick spell,







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Subject: Bachelor Buttons

From: Lee <pleeks@pop.ptld.uswest.net>

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:41:44 -0700

--------

I'm looking for pictures of Bachelor Buttons (Knapweed). Can

anyone help me?







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Subject: Re:herb for anxiety

From: "Ben" <benali[nospam]@iname.com>

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:31:46 -0400

--------

try eschscholtzia ( california poppy) ; good for insomnia, nerves, and

anxiety,here's the recipe, one tablespoon in a quarter boiling water, infuse

10 min, take 2 or 3 tablespoons  a day far from meals.









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Subject: Re: Re:herb for anxiety

From: "F and  K Gallegos" <alchemytravel@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:01:45 -0700

--------

1T of what part? root, leaves or flowers?  Fresh or dried

I look forward to trying it out.

k

Ben wrote in message ...

>try eschscholtzia ( california poppy) ; good for insomnia, nerves, and

>anxiety,here's the recipe, one tablespoon in a quarter boiling water,

infuse

>10 min, take 2 or 3 tablespoons  a day far from meals.

>

>









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Subject: Re: Re:herb for anxiety

From: "Ben" <benali[nospam]@iname.com>

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:13:01 -0400

--------

I took the info from a book from a french herborist she doesn't mention what

parts since she mentions the flower it must be the flowers, use dried or

fresh,I also checked the info on this website, check it out it might

help.>http://www.sequentialhealing.com/herbs-scientific-name.html

F and K Gallegos wrote in message

<7imb2b$a10$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...

>1T of what part? root, leaves or flowers?  Fresh or dried

>I look forward to trying it out.

>k

>Ben wrote in message ...

>>try eschscholtzia ( california poppy) ; good for insomnia, nerves, and

>>anxiety,here's the recipe, one tablespoon in a quarter boiling water,

>infuse

>>10 min, take 2 or 3 tablespoons  a day far from meals.

>>

>>

>

>









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Subject: Re: herb for anxiety

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 05:12:15 GMT

--------

On Fri, 28 May 1999 11:13:01 -0400, "Ben" <benali[nospam]@iname.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I took the info from a book from a french herborist she doesn't mention what

>parts since she mentions the flower it must be the flowers, use dried or

>fresh,



On Eschscholtzia (California poppy): it's better fresh, and you use the whole

flowering plant. Just pull it up. I make a tincture at the usual 1:2 95 % for

fresh plant.



The petals aren't likely to contain much of the soothing poppy juices... but

they sure are pretty.



Cheers

Henriette



--

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Subject: Aloe "cuttings"

From: "e.t." <e.thielmann@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:45:19 -0400

--------

One of the "babies" from my parent plant has lost a few spears.  Is it

possible to root the spears?  If so, in water or soil?  Thanks!









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Subject: ephedra rebound...help please?

From: ssturges@ebaytech.com

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 02:46:16 GMT

--------

I am 25, 5'8", 146 lbs.  As a typically socialized female I am paranoid about my weight.  I lived on ephedra based diet products for the last 4 years.  Most of the time (assuming I was also working out) the diets were very successful. I was able to get down to 125lbs at various times.  Most of the time though I could at least maintain 135lbs.  



Now I am off ephedra products (due to the unfortuanate side effects) I am having a VERY difficult time dieting.  I eat 1500-2000 kilocal a day, workout (cardio and resistance training) 5-6 times a week.  I can't lose a pound.  And even though I'm gaining muscle (which I'm ok with), I'm not losing fat.  I am determining this by the fact that I still can't fit into half my wardrobe (the half for my 135 self).



Any suggestions???? 





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Subject: ephedra rebound...help please?

From: ssturges@ebaytech.com

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 02:50:53 GMT

--------

I am 25, 5'8", 146 lbs.  As a typically socialized female I am paranoid about my weight.  I lived on ephedra based diet products for the last 4 years.  Most of the time (assuming I was also working out) the diets were very successful. I was able to get down to 125lbs at various times.  Most of the time though I could at least maintain 135lbs.  



Now I am off ephedra products (due to the unfortuanate side effects) I am having a VERY difficult time dieting.  I eat 1500-2000 kilocal a day, workout (cardio and resistance training) 5-6 times a week.  I can't lose a pound.  And even though I'm gaining muscle (which I'm ok with), I'm not losing fat.  I am determining this by the fact that I still can't fit into half my wardrobe (the half for my 135 self).



Any suggestions???? 





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Subject: Re: ephedra rebound...help please?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:42:18 GMT

--------

ssturges@ebaytech.com wrote:



>I am 25, 5'8", 146 lbs.  As a typically socialized female I am 

>paranoid about my weight.  I lived on ephedra based diet products 

>for the last 4 years. Most of the time (assuming I was also working 

>out) the diets were very successful. I was able to get down to 

>125lbs at various times.  Most of the time though I could at least 

>maintain 135lbs.



What is so magic about 125?  Why the number fixation? 



>Now I am off ephedra products (due to the unfortuanate side effects) I am 

>having a VERY difficult time dieting.  I eat 1500-2000 kilocal a day, 

>workout (cardio and resistance training) 5-6 times a week.  I can't lose 

>a pound.  And even though I'm gaining muscle (which I'm ok with), I'm not 

>losing fat.  I am determining this by the fact that I still can't fit into 

>half my wardrobe (the half for my 135 self).



>Any suggestions???? 



  Take your scales and throw them into the garbage!  Instead of

allowing a single (relatively unimportant) numerical feedback on

your body status to control you, concentrate on the things you

CAN control:  work out moderately, eat a reasonably balanced

diet, and instead of doing a "Cinderella's stepsister with the

shoe" routine, figure out what size clothes will actually FIT the

new, more muscular you.  Then buy some.  Give the rest to

charity, trade them in at a consignment shop, sell them on eBay

or have a garage sale.  

  



Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re: ephedra rebound...help please?

From: Gem <gemfaith@my-deja.com>

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:17:40 GMT

--------

Adding to the chorus, there is nothing wrong with being 5'8" and 146

lbs.



You are smart to get off ephedrine.  It is a very important medicine,

but not something to use for weight control.



Concentrate on building yourself an identity that is not body-shape

dependent.  This is particularly important because YOU ARE NOT

OVERWEIGHT!!!!!!



You may have to experiment with clothes styles and stick to a few styles

that are most attractive on you, but who doesn't?  As long as you are

excercising and eating right, you will be the shape and the weight your

DNA was programmed to be.





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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.





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Subject: Re:Re:ephedra rebound...help please?

From: ssturges@ebaytech.com

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:49:08 GMT

--------

I was not posting to emphasize a number on the scale...but instead to emphasize the dramatic increase in body size without ephedra.  Is this normal?  And does anyone have any info. as to the after effects of using ephedra for 4 years?



I'm more concerned about my bodies ability to burn, use calories effectively on it's own, without a thermogenic herb.



>

>What is so magic about 125?  Why the number fixation? 



>

>  Take your scales and throw them into the garbage!  Instead of

>allowing a single (relatively unimportant) numerical feedback on

>your body status to control you, concentrate on the things you

>CAN control:



Well said!! :-) 



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Subject: Re: ephedra rebound...help please?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:29:45 GMT

--------

ssturges@ebaytech.com wrote:



>I was not posting to emphasize a number on the scale...but instead to 

>emphasize the dramatic increase in body size without ephedra.  Is this 

>normal? 



  Yes.  For years you were artificially elevating your

metabolism, and infliciting artificial famines on yourself in the

guise of diets and it probably forgot what "normal" is.

  THE FASTEST WAY to have a weight problem for life is to go on a

rigid diet and take OTC "metabolism boosting" diet aids.  Your

body compensates by increasing its ability to store calories.

Experiments in calory deprivation done in the 1940s (Canada, on

volunteers) showed that the metabolic slowdown began within days

of the calory deficit and lasted for months afterwards. 



>

>I'm more concerned about my bodies ability to burn, use calories 

>effectively on it's own, without a thermogenic herb.

   Aerobic exercise, done daily, and a moderate diet with no

extremes (ie, no deprivation or overuse of protein, fat and

carbohydrates) will do more to get your metabolism back to normal

than anything. 





Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Subject: Re:ephedra rebound...help please?

From: ssturges@ebaytech.com

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 22:21:57 GMT

--------

I was not posting to emphasize a number on the scale...but instead to emphasize the dramatic increase in body size without ephedra.  Is this normal?  And does anyone have any info. as to the after effects of using ephedra for 4 years?



I'm more concerned about my bodies ability to burn, use calories effectively on it's own, without a thermogenic herb.



>

>What is so magic about 125?  Why the number fixation? 



>

>  Take your scales and throw them into the garbage!  Instead of

>allowing a single (relatively unimportant) numerical feedback on

>your body status to control you, concentrate on the things you

>CAN control:



Well said!! :-) 



~*Dawge*~





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Subject: Re: ephedra rebound...help please?

From: "Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 03:06:17 -0400

--------

Start eating.  Seriously, if your body thinks it is starving, your

metabolism has shut down.



Also, no matter WHAT Kate Moss or Pamela Anderson Lee look like, YOU ARE

YOU.  Your genetic make up was formed the day you were conceived.  If your

genes tell your brain that you are to weigh 145, then 145 is what your body

will fight, come hell or high-water, to be.



Learn to love yourself as you are, the best will shine through as soon as

you believe it is there.



--

"It is by spending oneself that one becomes rich."

Sarah Bernhardt

donann stapleton wrote in message <7isa6k$1n7m@enews2.newsguy.com>...

>5/8 146 i dont think you need to loose wait

>ssturges@ebaytech.com wrote in message ...

>>I am 25, 5'8", 146 lbs.  As a typically socialized female I am paranoid

>about my weight.  I lived on ephedra based diet products for the last 4

>years.  Most of the time (assuming I was also working out) the diets were

>very successful. I was able to get down to 125lbs at various times.  Most

of

>the time though I could at least maintain 135lbs.

>>

>>Now I am off ephedra products (due to the unfortuanate side effects) I am

>having a VERY difficult time dieting.  I eat 1500-2000 kilocal a day,

>workout (cardio and resistance training) 5-6 times a week.  I can't lose a

>pound.  And even though I'm gaining muscle (which I'm ok with), I'm not

>losing fat.  I am determining this by the fact that I still can't fit into

>half my wardrobe (the half for my 135 self).

>>

>>Any suggestions????

>

>









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Subject: Selfheal/Heal-all vs. Cut-leaved selfheal

From: Kenneth Greenlee <Greenleek@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:49:50 -0700

--------

Recently I bought a small herb because I liked the name--heal all.  It's

also an attractive plant and has settled in well.  I'm curious, though,

as to what "all" it heals. I've looked in different herb books &, after

realizing the pictures showed a completely different plant, found that

what I have--Prunella laciniata is also called "cut-leaved selfheal" and

is different from the Prunella vulgiaris selfheal that most of the books

mention.  Does anyone know what the laciniata version heals?  _Is_ it

medicinal?



Any information, book suggestions etc would be appreciated!



Jessica









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Subject: Re: Selfheal/Heal-all vs. Cut-leaved selfheal

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:00:47 GMT

--------

On Fri, 28 May 1999 19:49:50 -0700, Kenneth Greenlee <Greenleek@earthlink.net>

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>Recently I bought a small herb because I liked the name--heal all.  It's

>also an attractive plant and has settled in well.  I'm curious, though,

>as to what "all" it heals. I've looked in different herb books &, after

>realizing the pictures showed a completely different plant, found that

>what I have--Prunella laciniata is also called "cut-leaved selfheal" and

>is different from the Prunella vulgiaris selfheal that most of the books

>mention.  Does anyone know what the laciniata version heals?  _Is_ it

>medicinal?



Sure it's medicinal, as medicinal as Prunella vulgaris. You can actually use a

lot of the Lamiaceae as anti-inflammatory astringents.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Looking for Canadian supplier / essential oil

From: lweber@wcl.on.ca

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 03:17:39 GMT

--------

I have been surfing the net looking for a Canadian wholesale supplier

of essential oils with no luck.  Can anyone steer me in the right

direction.

Thanks



Lori





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal remedies for sun induced cold sores?

From: "Jeremy" <waunch@mnsi.net>

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:48:03 -0400

--------

Does anyone know of any natural remedies for cold sores aggravated by sun

exposure?  J in Canada









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Subject: Re: Herbal remedies for sun induced cold sores?

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.ukREMOVEME>

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 08:28:11 +0100

--------

In article <7inr5a$88t$1@remarQ.com>, Jeremy <waunch@mnsi.net>

writes

>Does anyone know of any natural remedies for cold sores aggravated by sun

>exposure?  J in Canada

>

>



Cold sores .... One drop of Tea Tree Oil (Melaleuca alternifolia) twice a

day dabbed on the site of the sore.



-- 

Graham Sorenson        Over 500 UK Suppliers and practitioners listed.

The Guide to Aromatherapy and hundreds of links to alternative health sites 

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/

The Natural Oils Research Association site http://www.acemake.com/NORA/





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Subject: Re: Herbal remedies for sun induced cold sores?

From: peacedawge@aol.com (PeaceDawge)

Date: 29 May 1999 18:47:45 GMT

--------

>Does anyone know of any natural remedies for cold sores aggravated by sun

>exposure?  J in Canada

>



Zinc,salacylic acid(aspirin),stress formula B- vitamin & lysine internally

prior to exposure next time....garlic & honey dabbed on sore topically.... 



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Subject: Soapwort 

From: ami@full-moon.com (Amy Bridger)

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:51:31 GMT

--------

I've got a soapwort plant growing but I do not know much about it. 

Can anyone give me some information on it's uses or point me to some

information on the web? 

I'ld like to know  which parts of it I can use and what for.



Thanks.







--

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Subject: Re: Soapwort

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:31:09 GMT

--------

On Sat, 29 May 1999 12:51:31 GMT, ami@full-moon.com (Amy Bridger)

wrote:



>I've got a soapwort plant growing but I do not know much about it. 

>Can anyone give me some information on it's uses or point me to some

>information on the web? 

>I'ld like to know  which parts of it I can use and what for.

>

>Thanks.



I've got a huge amount growing but have never had any success using

it. It makes the water feel a bit softer but it doesn't make it clean

any better. I recently got a bottle of soapwort shampoo that didn't

produce any bubbles at all so maybe it's not just me who can't get it

to work. It's not a bad looking plant so I won't be digging it up yet.





Steve

--

Stephen Wolstenholme

Neural Network Shareware 

http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Soapwort

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 04:29:03 GMT

--------

On Sat, 29 May 1999 14:31:09 GMT, steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>ami@full-moon.com (Amy Bridger) wrote:

>>I've got a soapwort plant growing but I do not know much about it. 

>>Can anyone give me some information on it's uses or point me to some

>>information on the web? 

>>I'ld like to know  which parts of it I can use and what for.



You use either the aboveground parts or the root, or both. Use it to wash things

with - museums use it to wash very fragile cloth.



>any better. I recently got a bottle of soapwort shampoo that didn't

>produce any bubbles at all so maybe it's not just me who can't get it

>to work. It's not a bad looking plant so I won't be digging it up yet.



Diverse marketing departments have gotten us to equate bubbles with washing

power. That's not so, and you can make a shampoo of soapwort - strain before you

use it. It doesn't have very many bubbles but it will wash your hair.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Susan Weed book title?

From: "Hilary" <hilySTOPSPAMMINGME@camalott.com>

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:01:14 -0500

--------

What is the name again of the book Susan Weed wrote, about herbs for women's

health? I have seen it eightyleven times posted here but can't remember it.



--

Hilary



"I know yesterday was Friday, but it would

be just like Monday to bump off Saturday

and Sunday so it could get me sooner."

                                                                 -- Garfield

________________________________________

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Subject: Re: Susan Weed book title?

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 29 May 1999 18:29:04 GMT

--------

There are 3, Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year, Menopausal Year the

Wise Woman Way and Breast Cancer? Breast Health!









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Susan Weed book title?

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 30 May 1999 02:20:40 GMT

--------

>There are 3, Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year, Menopausal Year the

>Wise Woman Way and Breast Cancer? Breast Health!



3 on women's health that is, the fourth book is Healing Wise, the fifth will be

Healing Well and hopefully the woman will have the time to write more of it

this summer.



Belinda







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: tincture

From: "F and  K Gallegos" <alchemytravel@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:33:56 -0700

--------

Here I go again out on the limb of ignorance....

How do you make tincture? I have seen this posted as the best form of use

but am confused how to properly make.

THanks

K



Also...

I cleaned my files and lost the post for Mugwort

Help!









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tincture

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 30 May 1999 15:42:15 GMT

--------

The way I make tincture is to simply chop the fresh plant material small enough

to fit in the jar I've chosen. Fill the jar with the plant material and then

put in 100 proof vodka, let sit for at least 6 weeks in a dark place then

strain if I need it or let it sit if I don't. You'll want to check the vodka

level the first couple of days, you'll usually need to add some.



Belinda





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tincture

From: "Greenlight" <sahajayoga@netscape.net>

Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 01:13:01 GMT

--------

Regarding a simple tincture simply bruise, macerate, or grind the herb (into

a powder), place it in a jar that has a tight cover, and cover it with a

high proof vodka or other alcohol (such as 80 proof or higher). The higher

the proof, the better. Close the jar cover tightly and shake the bottle

daily. Once in the morning and once in the evening for 5-10 seconds should

be plenty. Do this for two weeks and then filter out the solids and save the

liquid (tincture).



To make the strongest tinctures use the least amount of alcohol per herb

ratio, which is good for high concentration topical applications, but in the

long run less overall active ingredients are extracted (due to more residue

left in the filtered parts). I was taught that it was most effective to

start the process on the new moon and filter on the full moon.



The above two week extraction is a general household easy way and seems to

work OK. Maybe some of the pros will share some fine points.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tincture

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:12:31 -0700

--------

>>>). The higher

the proof, the better



Not necessarily. For a resinous herb you need a high proof.  For otehrs you

do not.  I tend to mix 190 proof vodka (everclear) with distilled water for

a 50-50 solution but have a list that I check. Some herbs can be done at

less alcohol.  Why use more if you don't ned it?









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sunflower Seeds?

From: peacedawge@aol.com (PeaceDawge)

Date: 29 May 1999 18:38:34 GMT

--------

I hear that sunflower seeds are a good source of viatamin E when ingested. If

this is true, can the topical application be of benefit to the face? I ask

because I read somewhere that ground sunflower seeds can be used in natural

beauty products for the BODY but not for the FACE? Anyone have any info/insight

as to why that might be or if it is, in fact,even factual?



Peace,

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Subject: Dong Quai / wild yam + breastfeeding

From: "Bente S. Arvesen" <benarv@online.no>

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:32:28 +0200

--------

I'm considering taking Dong Quai or Wild Yam capsules to regulate my cycles

and start ovulating again after giving birth.



Does anyone know if I can do this while still breastfeeding, or should I

wait until I've weaned my baby completely?



-Bente



















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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Poison Ivy Removal

From: "Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 23:48:59 -0400

--------

I'm not quite sure how it happened, but we have poison ivy growing lush and

strong in one of our flower beds.  Of course, I want to get rid of it

because of severe allergic reactions.  I imagine suiting up and covering

myself completely, ripping it out, and then washing my clothing well is an

obvious answer (is a simple washing enough to remove the poisonous juice?).

. . also, are there any necessary precautions that I have overlooked?

Furthermore, how should I dispose of it?





--

"It is by spending oneself that one becomes rich."

Sarah Bernhardt









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy Removal

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:33:04 GMT

--------

"Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com> wrote:



>I'm not quite sure how it happened, but we have poison ivy growing lush and

>strong in one of our flower beds.  Of course, I want to get rid of it

>because of severe allergic reactions.  I imagine suiting up and covering

>myself completely, ripping it out, and then washing my clothing well is an

>obvious answer (is a simple washing enough to remove the poisonous juice?).



  Get some cheap thrift-store clothing and discard the clothing

and gloves you used.  It will resprout from the roots ... spray

it a couple days ahead of time with Roundup to get the roots, and

shove it into a trashbag as you dig it out. 



>. . also, are there any necessary precautions that I have overlooked?

>Furthermore, how should I dispose of it?

  Bagged and in the trash. DO NOT burn it. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional! 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy Removal

From: "SharonB" <sharonburton@fuse.net.removeyourfootfromyourmouth>

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:08:44 -0400

--------



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <37523d9c.8686143@news.primenet.com>...

>"Sara" <timespace@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>>I'm not quite sure how it happened, but we have poison ivy growing

lush and

>>strong in one of our flower beds.  Of course, I want to get rid of it

>>because of severe allergic reactions.  I imagine suiting up and

covering

>>myself completely, ripping it out, and then washing my clothing well

is an

>>obvious answer (is a simple washing enough to remove the poisonous

juice?).

>

>  Get some cheap thrift-store clothing and discard the clothing

>and gloves you used.  It will resprout from the roots ... spray

>it a couple days ahead of time with Roundup to get the roots, and

>shove it into a trashbag as you dig it out.

>

>>. . also, are there any necessary precautions that I have overlooked?

>>Furthermore, how should I dispose of it?

>  Bagged and in the trash. DO NOT burn it.

>

>Tsu Dho Nimh

>

>We put the FUN back in dysFUNctional!



I live on a "baby farm", and there is too much oak and ivy to get rid

of, but here's some more helpful suggestions.....make sure the vines are

clipped into manageable lengths (the stuff has a way of whipping around

and hitting bare, exposed areas), take a cold shower immediately

afterwards (hot will open your pores), benadryl internally will help, as

will the cream externally.  For severe cases, you can get a bottle of

steroids from your doctor (works great on my arthritis, too....but

unfortunately, it's only a short term med).  I don't throw my clothes

and gloves away...too much oak/ivy here for that, but I do wash them in

hot water with a couple rinses and line dry in the sun.  Good luck :-)

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: new product - synephrine

From: ssturges@ebaytech.com

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 04:44:45 GMT

--------

I just purchased a product containing an extract standardized for 2.5% synephrine.  They've labeled this diet product as an alternative to diet pills containing ephedra (ma huang).



Does anyone have any experience with synephrine or information?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: new product - synephrine

From: peacedawge@aol.com (PeaceDawge)

Date: 30 May 1999 04:50:47 GMT

--------

That's like Neo-synephrine.....the brand name nasal decongestant.....why would

they sell it for weight loss?! I know that applied nasally it can be quite

addictive with a killer rebound affect. It it is a vasoconstrictor.



peace,

~*Dawge*~





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: new product - synephrine

From: ssturges@ebaytech.com

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 04:54:39 GMT

--------

yes, i think it's the same active ingredient as the Neo-Synephrine.  However, ephedrine is used for a decongestant as well (and is VERY effective).  Somehow it doesn't surprise me that Synephrine my be used for it's decongestant properties as well.  What side effects?  or after effects?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ticks

From: P & J <pjerlandsen@world.com>

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 05:14:28 GMT

--------

I live in the county area of San Diego.  For the first time we are

finding ticks on us and the dog.  The dog does not leave the yard so we

are looking for a way of getting rid of the ticks in the yard.  We use

to let our chickens free run of the yard and eat all of the undesirable

bugs before but we are unable to do so now.  I would like to find

something that will not harm the other animals.  



J9





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: synephrine? anyone heard of it?

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 30 May 1999 11:10:36 GMT

--------

>i'm looking for information on the diet aids containing synephrine.  does

>anyone have any info or experience with any?

>



Synephrine is an extract of bitter orange. It works in the same mannner as

ephedra, but without the strong stimulatory efffects. They work by locking on

to cellular receptors which stimulate the production of intracellular cyclic

adenosine monophosphate (cAMP). Fat burning is stimulated by cAMP. 

You will usually see caffeine sources added to diet formulas containing ephedra

or synephrine. The reason for this is that cAMP is broken down by a liver

enzyme. Caffeine, and related compounds; theophylline, theobromine, and

mateine, blockthe action of this enzyme prolonging the fat burning effects of

cAMP.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: feverfew

From: "Janice F." <janicef@onlink.net>

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:01:35 -0500

--------

Hi!  I recently purchased some looseleaf dried feverfew for tea but it

tastes terrible.  Any advice on the best way to drink it.  Can I make a balm

out of dried leaves?  I tried adding mint but it didn't do much.

Any info would be a great help.  Thanks.



Yours in light and love, Janice.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ants again

From: "Angela Wilson" <awilson@newbernnc.com>

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:23:38 -0700

--------

At some point I remember a post about keeping ants out of the house.  At the

time I was thinking, that poor sod, well now I'm the poor sod.  Any help

would be appreciated!!!









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ants again

From: peacedawge@aol.com (PeaceDawge)

Date: 31 May 1999 04:04:00 GMT

--------

.....a mixture of apple cider vinegar & water should do the trick. They won't

cross it!





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Panic Attacks

From: james0mack@aol.com.schpam (James0Mack)

Date: 31 May 1999 03:50:19 GMT

--------

Anyone have any recommendations for herbal remedies for a panic attack?

Obviously dealing with the source is really the key, but what about things like

Chamomile or Valerian? Do you think these will help?



Jimmy





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Subject: Re: Panic Attacks

From: "Taysha Davis" <staff@NOSPAMaspenbotanicals.com>

Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:44:07 -0700

--------

A couple of things to check out first... like you said the source.  Please

read up on Mitral Valve Prolapse.  This is a common cause of panic attacks

and should be diagnosed.  It is suspected that potentially 20% of the

population has it and some 80% don't know it.  Don't let doctors tell you

its all in your head, this is a real physical cause.



Regardless of a diagnosis there are a couple of things you should do

1.     Drink at least 10 (not 8), 10 glasses of water per day

2.    Avoid all caffeine, yes even chocolate

3.    Try to eliminate sugar from your diet

4.    Exercise at least 20min everyday

5.    Learn some breathing techniques... try www.drweil.com



Try Geranium and Clary Sage essential oils.  I just put these in a personal

diffuser that I wear around my neck.  If I feel unsteady I just lift it to

my nose.  Careful with the Clary Sage if you drive a lot, it can be quite

intoxicating.



Stay away from St. Johns Wort as this will only make things worse.  Valerian

is okay especially at night, but try to get away from relying on it, you can

do this without ingesting anything.  I find I don't need it my panic attacks

were coming at a rate of 25 per day, I was blacking out, having convulsions

that left me paralyzed for up to 20min, my hands and feet would turn blue,

etc, etc.  My panic attacks were considered severe.



My above suggestions are all that I do, no other drugs or anything.  And the

great thing is once you stop having panic attacks in certain places your

brain starts to unlearn the process.  Hope this helps.



Living life without panic,

Taysha Davis

Aspen Botanicals Aromatherapy Products

www.aspenbotanicals.com







James0Mack <james0mack@aol.com.schpam> wrote in message

news:19990530235019.02270.00004948@ng-cb1.aol.com...

> Anyone have any recommendations for herbal remedies for a panic attack?

> Obviously dealing with the source is really the key, but what about things

like

> Chamomile or Valerian? Do you think these will help?

>

> Jimmy









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Something for chronic sinusitis.

From: "Irek (IA) Wanicki" <wanickii@rocketmail.com>

Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 08:23:18 +0200

--------

Are there any herbs which could help me with chronic sinusitis?

I am on all sort of antibiotics for quite a while and then seem to help

less and less...



Irek





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: <<< Herbalife - who can tell me >>>

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.ukREMOVEME>

Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:16:43 +0100

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In article <7isdj0$f65$1@news0.skynet.be>, VDC

<megaris@freemail.nl> writes

>Who has experience with Herbalife products ?

>Are they good ?  Are they usefull ?

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>Thanks !

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>Vincent

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Multi Level Marketing. (Pyramid) Network Marketing. 

Emphasis on selling and developing a downline of sellers not the health of

the end user. Most sellers/distributors/agents have a very shallow

knowledge of the products, if any at all. Most products are very

overpriced even at the wholesale prices. 



This on the front page of the site says all. "The Herbalife opportunity and

Herbalife products are only available in countries where Herbalife is open

for business in accordance with the laws and regulations of those

particular countries." Which means that in a few enlightened countries

they are not allowed to operate, such is the way they do operate. 



Ask in alt.folklore.herbs and you will get the acolytes saying how

wonderful they are and the detractors saying how mad they are.



Go to http://www.herbalife.com/ and see the RealVideo broadcasts they

do.  (Click on HBN, {Herbalife Broadcast Network}) It is SELL! SELL!

SELL! Jump up and down histrionics. GET MORE DOWNLINE!



Sick really ..Obviously not taking some of their own products.







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-- 

Graham Sorenson        Over 500 UK Suppliers and practitioners listed.

The Guide to Aromatherapy and hundreds of links to alternative health sites 

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/

The Natural Oils Research Association site http://www.acemake.com/NORA/





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: MSM?

From: ssturges@ebaytech.com

Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 17:09:55 GMT

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I've heard this "MSM" (i don't know if that's a supplement, herb or vitamin) is good for hair growth?  I'm not balding, just my hair grows slowly.  Any info??







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MSM?

From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)

Date: 31 May 1999 20:17:02 GMT

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MSM (methylsulfonylmethane) is a sulfur source, a little over 30%sulfur by

weight. In the body it broken down in to elemental sulfur where it can be used

in the production of keratin, a protein used in the development of hair and

nails.

Some people refer to MSM as "organic" sulfur and claim it is a natural product.

Though it does exist naturally though, the majority of MSM on the market is

derived synthetically from the industrial solvent DMSO (dimethylsulfoxide).

It is sold in health food stores in powder, capsules, liquid, eyedrops, and

added to lotions, etc.



