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Subject: [HerbInfo] sick cats

From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:43:01 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>



There were questions regarding cats.  For those interested in the issue, here is 

a faq at

http://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/usenet-by-group/news.answers/cats-

faq/medical-info



(join  the long line for the url)



GO one level back up for more info on cat health.

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Rosemary

From: "Gardenthyme~lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:00:01 -0500

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My Rosemary plant is dying, does anyone have any advise how to save it?  The

needles are drying out & falling out at an alarming rate.  It's a really big

beautiful plant and I hate to lose it.

TIA

Dee



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Rosemary

From: Ann <hathor@cheta.net>

Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:03:37 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Ann <hathor@cheta.net>



catskin (did you recently change your name?) wrote:

<<betcha ya got mites.

if so, there is nothing to do but let it go and treat your other

plants.>>



~~~~~~~~ I always have trouble with rosemary. Mine is doing the same

thing, and always does this thing. There's no bugs on it. I'm in the

process of trimming off all of the dead sticks so the healthy bit

remaining can have a chance. Giving it some miracle grow and misting it

often. I'm starting to see a little bit of improvement. There's

something tricky about watering rosemary, at least for me. It certainly

doesn't like the roots to be too wet, but it seems to like the stems and

needles to be damp. 

       I've gone through 3 rosemary topiaries in the last 5 years. It's

a tricky plant for me to get to grow here. I'm convinced it's a water

thang, but I'm still working on learning exactly what it wants.

             Ann

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Rosemary

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:49:23 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>



> I've gone through 3 rosemary topiaries in the last 5 years. It's

> a tricky plant for me to get to grow here.



I'm in zone 7b (the Piedmont, NC) and my rosemary stays outside even in

pots throughout the year, my bay leaf laurel topiary comes inside.  As

does my Standard Jasmine.  Topiaries, I have found, don't do well for me

either, it may be the soil that the nursery pots it in.  I would

recommend transplanting.



btw, you won't see any sign of mites sometimes except after it is too

late.  if you're lucky, you'll notice VERY fine webbing on the back side

of leaves.  Tricky on a rosemary.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Rosemary

From: "Kim Jarvis" <kimberlyjarvis@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:56:14 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Kim Jarvis" <kimberlyjarvis@hotmail.com>



I live in the Seattle, WA area and my rosemary plant doesn't seem to mind

the wet.  It's planted outside and it's about 3 years old.  It survives the

winters here no problem.  I don't really know what I'm doing, but it's happy

and healthy.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Rosemary

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:22:36 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



I too have lost my big Rosemary I potted up in October.  Like you said,

dried up and the leaves have fallen off.  Checked it thoroughly - no pests,

washed and sprayed.  We are zone 5 here so they can't stay out through the

winter.  Had the same problem in 96, but they all made it through fine in

97 - seems like they last two years for me.  This year I had 18 smaller

plants to bring in -  I layered all summer.  Two of the smaller ones died

but all the others are thriving and have doubled in size.   I have two Arps

which are still in the ground, though I did put a cover over them this week

as we were expecting ice and snow.  It started this morning, we have lots of

ice and expect 15" of snow by tomorrow morning.  This is my first try with

the Arp and I'm anxious to see how it does.



I'm a CA transplant and can't live without fresh Rosemary :)

Jan Flood  oakridge@windo.missouri.org

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Rosemary

From: rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>

Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 15:36:27 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>



Out of five rosemary plants that I purchased last spring, two of them

are living. The other three turned brown and died. After reading the

posts of this lists about the problems with it, I just now placed one of

the two remaining ones outside. I love rosemary, and hate seeing them

die. The one that I am leaving inside seems to be thriving quite nicely

though. I am thinking that maybe not enough sunlight is one factor.  I

just moved to Mississippi a year ago from Phoenix, Arizona. Out there I

had a huge rosemary bush growing outside not in a pot that survived heat

and cold, drought and rain. I do not understand why I cannot get just

one of these plants to do the same.



Happy New Year

Cindi Z.

Vicksburg, Mississippi

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Subject: RE: [HerbInfo] Rosemary

From: mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:13:21 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com



Here near Wash D.C,  two years ago I lost a plant that had survived for 3

years to over watering. This year, I brought my new one in and a few days

ago it began shedding. I think its mite due to low humidity so I've started

misting.



However, I wonder if there may be other factors.  I think it likes well

drained soil and soggy roots weaken it. More than the amount of water

though, (like all the rain in Seattle), rain water is not necessarily the

same as your tapwater.  I wonder if it might not be super sensitive to the

pH or some mineral salt. Anyone know?



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Behalf Of catskin

Sent: Friday, January 01, 1999 2:49 PM

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Rosemary







Posted To HerbInfo By: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>



> I've gone through 3 rosemary topiaries in the last 5 years. It's

> a tricky plant for me to get to grow here.



I'm in zone 7b (the Piedmont, NC) and my rosemary stays outside even in

pots throughout the year, my bay leaf laurel topiary comes inside.  As

does my Standard Jasmine.  Topiaries, I have found, don't do well for me

either, it may be the soil that the nursery pots it in.  I would

recommend transplanting.



btw, you won't see any sign of mites sometimes except after it is too

late.  if you're lucky, you'll notice VERY fine webbing on the back side

of leaves.  Tricky on a rosemary.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Rosemary

From: Gayle <whonew61@yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 03:53:34 -0800 (PST)

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Sometimes it is easier to take cuttings to over winter in the house. 

Rosemarys are best to be ignored and in a cool bright window, over

winter in the north. Just my 2 cents.  Kind Regards Gayle









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Subject: [HerbInfo] Rosemary

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:36:56 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)



Is there anything that will make Rosemary grow faster? I have yet to get one a foot tall during a growing season.



Karen Shelton

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Rosemary

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 03:41:38 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>



>Is there anything that will make Rosemary grow faster? I have yet to get

one a foot tall during a growing season.  Karen Shelton<

Plant it in California  :-)   Maybe your growing season isn't long enough. 

 Mine is the upright kind and it is over 4 feet tall.  It is huge and is

blooming right now; but then again it blooms all year long.  Maybe you

planted the trailing kind.  They like abuse.  Don't pamper them.  Don't

overwater.  Mine gets alittle steer manure each year and that is about it.

Good luck Karen!  Nice to hear you are back on the list.

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

Sue's Herbals

in sunny Northern California

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Rosemary

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:38:04 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



>>Is there anything that will make Rosemary grow faster? I have yet to get

one a foot >>tall during a growing season.



What type are you growing?  Mine grow tremendously during the season - it's

the winter I have trouble with.  I layer them during the summer and when

it's time to bring them in I have about 5 new plants per each plant I

started with.    Of course, after my fiasco last week and losing about 18, I

don't have near as many as I started with :)  This mid-west weather sure is

daunting to my ego.  Dropping 44 degrees in one day is a shock to my system

too!



Jan Flood  oakridge@windo.missouri.org

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Rosemary

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:01:27 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



>>Sue's Herbals in sunny Northern California



.....where I'm beginning to wish I was again after braving the wind to get

straw back over the plants that seem to think it's spring.  Didn't like the

taxes in CA and a few other things but the mid-west weather is faking me out

<vbg>  What to do?  Many plants are up a good 6" already due to our

unusually warm spell - now we have had another freeze last week and heavy

snow predicted this weekend.  I wonder if the weight of the snow over the

layers of straw will break down the new shoots?



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Plant Database

From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:56:40 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>



If you haven't seen it before, there is a really excellent Plant 

database located at

http://www.rain-tree.com/plants.htm



For the plants listed, it gives a very complete breakdown of the phyto 

chemical elements, uses by disease, action of components and how 

applied in various countries.



Also see:

http://www.alternatives.com/libs/agherbs.htm

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Plant Database

From: John Marshall / Jaya Tirtha Charan Dasa <jtcd@xtra.co.nz>

Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:32:52 +1300

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Posted To HerbInfo By: John Marshall / Jaya Tirtha Charan Dasa <jtcd@xtra.co.nz>



Can anyone tell me the best natural passive way to deter houseflies / blow

flies / blue bottles, call them what you will.



Fly screens have been one option, although a somewhat expensive one.



It all goes to show that New Zealand is a great place to live - 100 billion

flies can't be wrong!!!



Jaya

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Plant Database

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 08:33:56 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>



> Can anyone tell me the best natural passive way to deter houseflies / blow

> flies / blue bottles, call them what you will.



do you have animals in the yard?



Planting fennel near your door will help repel flies.  there is also a

tropical plant (red flowers) that are 'sticky' and work like fly paper,

but I can't remember the name, sorry.  Sun dews (carniverous plants)

which are local for me work wonders.



Citronella PLANTS help to repel.

Pyrethrin spray will help (can make from Tanacetum cinerariifolium or T.

coccineum)  (Pyrethrins - insecticidal chemical extracted from the

pyrethrum daisy)

pyrethrins are highly concentrated in the seed of the  flower head and

rae a contact insecticide meaning the pest only has to touchthe

substance to be affected.  flying insects are paralysed.



_Chemical free Yard and Garden_  Rodales publishing  ISBN 0-87857-951-6

an indispensible book if you garden AT ALL.  :-)



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Subject: RE: [HerbInfo] Plant Database

From: mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:26:45 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com



Citronella plants is one step.  There are no screens of any kind in place on

wherever it is you wish to deter them from?



If they are biting, then a good b vitamin complex will make you taste/smell

bad to them.



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Behalf Of John Marshall / Jaya Tirtha Charan Dasa

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 4:33 PM

To: herbinfo@alist4u.net

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Posted To HerbInfo By: John Marshall / Jaya Tirtha Charan Dasa

<jtcd@xtra.co.nz>



Can anyone tell me the best natural passive way to deter houseflies / blow

flies / blue bottles, call them what you will.



Fly screens have been one option, although a somewhat expensive one.



It all goes to show that New Zealand is a great place to live - 100 billion

flies can't be wrong!!!





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Subject: RE: [HerbInfo] Plant Database

From: John Marshall / Jaya Tirtha Charan Dasa <jtcd@xtra.co.nz>

Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 20:03:36 +1300

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Posted To HerbInfo By: John Marshall / Jaya Tirtha Charan Dasa <jtcd@xtra.co.nz>



At 05:26 PM 1/6/99 -0500, you wrote:

>

>Posted To HerbInfo By: mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com

>

>Citronella plants is one step.  There are no screens of any kind in place on

>wherever it is you wish to deter them from?

>

>If they are biting, then a good b vitamin complex will make you taste/smell

>bad to them.

>

Thank you for the response, but wasn't really what I'm looking for.



these flies here sit around drinking citronella oil (that we put on to keep

away the sand flies - now they bite) as if its some kind of beverage.



these flies they don't bite, but just fly around landing on everything,

contaminating everything. And keep landing on you.



you may have seen the traditional Australian hat that bushmen use to keep

the flies away, I look silly in a hat like that.



Jaya







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Subject: [HerbInfo] Using lavender in cooking

From: "Ian Caldicott" <ian@lavenderfarms.com>

Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:34:19 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Ian Caldicott" <ian@lavenderfarms.com>



I have been toying around with some ideas for new recipies that use lavender

and ended up asking myself a question that I would like other thoughts on.



Is there a difference between lavender varieties when it comes to cooking?



I know there are differences between fresh and dried when it comes to

cooking and I know there are differences in oil quantity and quality between

varieties but i'm wondering if anyone can detect a difference between the

varieties when cooking.



Any thoughts?



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Using lavender in cooking

From: HERBWORLD@aol.com

Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:02:15 EST

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Posted To HerbInfo By: HERBWORLD@aol.com



Lavendula vera is the recommended variety for eating.  We have a 9 page

handout on Lavender (with recipes) available as a download in either Word 7 or

text format.  Please write directly to me at herbworld@aol.com to request it.



Our January magazine is now online at http://www.herbnet.com.  Profiles

include Vietnamese coriander, culantro, white and blue vervain, lady's mantle,

sweet woodruff and screwpine.  Also lots of new calendar listings and new herb

books (under Herb Press)



Maureen Rogers

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Subject: [HerbInfo] herbs and alcoholism

From: Patricia Turner <pturner@avalon.net>

Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 22:14:36 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Patricia Turner <pturner@avalon.net>



I'm looking for help with herbs that would be helpful in treating

alcoholism.  Specifically for detox and for fighting off the urge to

start drinking again.  He will be researching/using "traditional" forms

of treatment as well, but I'd like some info on complementary therapies.



TIA!

Trish



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] herbs and alcoholism

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:18:34 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>



Patricia Turner wrote:

> 

> Posted To HerbInfo By: Patricia Turner <pturner@avalon.net>

> 

> I'm looking for help with herbs that would be helpful in treating

> alcoholism.  Specifically for detox and for fighting off the urge to

> start drinking again.  He will be researching/using "traditional" forms

> of treatment as well, but I'd like some info on complementary therapies.

> 

> TIA!

> Trish



"KUDZU" is reputed to help with alcoholism.  I read up about it in

regards to possibly helping my ex husband but he never had the time to

follow thru.  Fascinating stuff. Perhaps some of the more knowledgable

on this list has some info readily available, but I remember doing a

search and found a wealth of info..but alas...did not keep the links.



good luck



Choalayna

EnchanteD EncounterS

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] herbs and alcoholism

From: WANAKEEH@aol.com

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:41:20 EST

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Posted To HerbInfo By: WANAKEEH@aol.com





Milk Thistle!!!

Its listed in John Heinerman's herb book as being excellent for alcohol detox,

and of course, its also listed for helping all liver dysfunction and related

ills, such as hepatitis, jaundice, et al...



Kee : )

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In a message dated 1/10/99 9:50:20 AM EST, PROCESSOR@prodigy.net writes:



> > 

>  > I'm looking for help with herbs that would be helpful in treating

>  > alcoholism.  Specifically for detox and for fighting off the urge to

>  > start drinking again.  He will be researching/using "traditional" forms

>  > of treatment as well, but I'd like some info on complementary therapies.

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] herbs and alcoholism

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:54:38 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>



> but I'd like some info on complementary therapies.



milk thistle is good, as is dandelion root as a liver detox and

nutrient.  Diet plays a BIG role as does moral support.  Flavored waters

(herbed sun teas) with Vit C (hibiscus, rose hips, citus) can help

replace the oral fixation as well as support the blood as it clears.



Cut down on grease intake and fried foods.  Don't make the liver work

any harder than it has.  (I know fats are handled by the gallbladder,

but the relation is important)



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To: Ian Caldicott <ian@lavenderfarms.com>

Subject: Re: Using lavender in cooking

From: Susanna Holstein <pkb00700@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu>

Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 08:59:43 -0500

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Ian,

Just visited your website, and signed up for the newsletter. I'm not a

professional, just someone who loves the scent of lavendar, and to have

the plants growing in my gardens. I really enjoyed browsing your site.

Some good gift ideas there for my English mother.



Susanna

Sandyville, WV





Ian Caldicott wrote:

> 

> I have been toying around with some ideas for new recipies that use lavender

> and ended up asking myself a question that I would like other thoughts on.

> 

> Is there a difference between lavender varieties when it comes to cooking?

> 

> I know there are differences between fresh and dried when it comes to

> cooking and I know there are differences in oil quantity and quality between

> varieties but i'm wondering if anyone can detect a difference between the

> varieties when cooking.

> 

> Any thoughts?

> 

> Ian Caldicott

> Ian@lavenderfarms.com

> http://www.lavenderfarms.com

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Subject: Re: Using lavender in cooking

From: Roger Bastin <bastinkk@cuci.nl>

Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:44:21 +0100

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>I have been toying around with some ideas for new recipies that use lavender

>and ended up asking myself a question that I would like other thoughts on.

>

>Is there a difference between lavender varieties when it comes to cooking?



Hybrid Lavender (L. x intermedia f.e. 'Grosso', 'Grappenhall', ) is not

good for consumption, they are to camphrous. You need the true lavenders

(L. angustifolia.) for cooking. As many people may not know more than 90%

of lavender production is for industries like perfume. Medicinal lavender

is rare in cultivation. If you try to buy true lavender essential oil in a

health shop they seldom know what you are talking about. If the label does

not clearly say it is Lavandula angustifolia it will in most cases be L. x

intermedia wich is cheaper to produce due to the higher oil content. L. x

intermedia is good for vaporisers but not for medicinal purposes.



One of our favourites for cooking is L. a. 'Cedar Blue' it has a very sweet

taste, the srongest flavour is from L. a. 'Lady'.



We like to add leaves and garlic to backed potatoes when they are almost

done, otherwise the leaves will burn. Even better is fresch flowers, only

the corolla, right after they are done. But picking the flowers for a

family of 4 is rather time consuming. But it is really great  for taste! On

our open days at the nursery we had a maitre cook with lavender. Among

others he made a strawberry pastry with lavender pudding and to finish it

he put a few leaves of Mentha 'Lavender' (lavender mint) on top. Delicious!



We also make lavender Ice.



Roger Bastin,





               Kruidenkwekerij, V.O.F. Roger & Linda Bastin



             Kruiden, geurplanten en bijzondere tuinplanten

       	        Nederlandse planten collecties:

           Lavandula, Rosmarinus, Salvia, Santolina, Thymus



          Herbs, fragrant plants and uncommon plants nursery

	          Dutch National collections of:

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                            http://www.cuci.nl/~bastinkk/



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              Tel.: **31-45-5231475, Email; bastinkk@cuci.nl

                                            Zone 8

                                 









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Subject: Re: Using lavender in cooking

From: Cyan451762@AOL.COM

Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:30:12 EST

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This spring I am going to be making an edible flower garden.

I found a really good book with good info and recipes, it is

"Edible Flowers from garden to palate"-Cathy Wilkinson Barash.

It was a nominee for the Julia Child cookbook awards. I recomend

it to anyone interested in trying edible flowers or those who are

looking for new recipes for there flowers.

Cyan-St.Paul,MN





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Subject: [HerbInfo] Tinctures - What consistency should they be?

From: "Colette and Warrick Wilson" <warrickw@bond.net>

Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:21:57 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Colette and Warrick Wilson" <warrickw@bond.net>



Can someone tell me what consistency a tincture should be?  I just

purchased a bottle of comfrey tincture and find it to be syrupy.  Should

it be thinner than that?



Colette Wilson

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Great Pyrenees & Berger des Pyrenees

Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Tinctures - What consistency should they be?

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:43:39 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>



> Can someone tell me what consistency a tincture should be?  I just

> purchased a bottle of comfrey tincture and find it to be syrupy.  Should

> it be thinner than that?



not for comfrey.  Comfrey is a very mucilagenous herb.  It promotes

healing and reduction of scarring.  It is not recommended for internal

consumption.  (definitly not every day!)



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Leg Cramps 

From: "Colette and Warrick Wilson" <warrickw@bond.net>

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:50:06 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Colette and Warrick Wilson" <warrickw@bond.net>



I sent this message to the list at the same time as my question re

tinctures.  For some reason this one didn't show up.  I'm sending it

around again, my apologies to anyone who receives it twice.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------



My uncle is a long distance truck driver and has been bothered with leg

cramps.  Someone suggested to him that he should be taking magnesium

phosphate.  Has anyone heard of it being used for this sort of problem.

Are there any other suggestions of alternative remedies that might help?



Regards,



Colette Wilson

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Great Pyrenees & Berger des Pyrenees

Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Leg Cramps

From: WANAKEEH@aol.com

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:22:58 EST

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Posted To HerbInfo By: WANAKEEH@aol.com



Always take a Calcium / Magnesium combo, for better results. Also, rosemary

and butchers broom help circulation, and would be beneficial to your uncle. 



Kee 



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In a message dated 1/11/99 12:55:29 PM EST, warrickw@bond.net writes:



> My uncle is a long distance truck driver and has been bothered with leg

>  cramps.  Someone suggested to him that he should be taking magnesium

>  phosphate. 

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Leg Cramps

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:04:51 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>



> My uncle is a long distance truck driver and has been bothered with leg

> cramps.  Someone suggested to him that he should be taking magnesium

> phosphate.  Has anyone heard of it being used for this sort of problem.

> Are there any other suggestions of alternative remedies that might help?

> 



magnesium IS the alternative remedy, if not the best one.  :-)

Zinc also is a muscle relaxer

-- 

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Leg Cramps

From: "Patt A. Miller" <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:26:46 +0000

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Patt A. Miller" <grammafatt@rmci.net>



Colette wrote:



<<My uncle is a long distance truck driver and has been bothered with

leg

cramps.  Someone suggested to him that he should be taking magnesium

phosphate.  Has anyone heard of it being used for this sort of problem.

Are there any other suggestions of alternative remedies that might

help?>>



I use the cell salt (tissue salt) Mag. Phos.  (little bottle of 500 for

about $6 in health food store).  It is the #1 first aid for muscle

cramps (spasms) ANYWHERE in the body.  I got started with it years ago

when I ran out of prescription med while out of town.  It worked faster,

better (no weakened eye muscles, etc) & cheaper.  It is magnesium

phosphate but finely ground so it enters the blood stream faster.  IT

WORKS!  Plus, it helps to solve the problem, not just relax the spasm

itself.



Adding other sources helps too, (calcium supplements should always have

ratio of 1/2 mag. to 1 part calcium.  Check the bottles) but as I said,

this is first aid.  It is always on my night stand.



Other things can help too.  I'm sure someone will come up with more.



Patt





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Subject: just blossoms to cook with..

From: "Paulette" <aparker@shianet.org>

Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:28:08 -0500

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you wrote...

 >>anyone interested in trying edible flowers 



I've got a recipe for squash blossoms.  You stuff them like you would to

make

cabbage rolls.  I tried it, ... it works and was different.  Taste,.... ?

... each person would have to make their own call on that.  I just enjoyed

it.







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Subject: [HerbInfo] Off topic, Intuition

From: Sheri McGregor <mcgregor@adnc.com>

Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:27:59 +0000

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Sheri McGregor <mcgregor@adnc.com>



Hi list,

This is off topic and I hope I'm not breaking a rule by posting this here.

In addition to my interests in herbs, etc., I am a freelance writer and

currently working on an article for Real Woman Magazine on the Power of

Intution. 



If you have an intuition experience to share, even if it's jsut that you

listen to your gut, and wouldn't mind being quoted in an article, please

email me privately with your experience. I am mostly looking for intutiion

in your every day lives. Not so much the HUGE instance where you just knew

you'd get in a car crash, but the subtler, bad feeling about something kind

of thing. Maybe as it relates to decisions with regard to children, jobs,

crime, etc.



If you can help, email me at: mailto:mcgregor@adnc.com



Thank you.



Sheri McGregor, mailto:mcgregor@adnc.com

STILL WATERS' CURE (tentative title) Kensington/Zebra Books, June '99

Happy Campers travel series (scroll down to Attraction Reviews) at:

<http://www.happycampers.net/admin/toc.cgi>

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Lavender -- cedar blue

From: "Ian Caldicott" <ian@lavenderfarms.com>

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:48:19 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Ian Caldicott" <ian@lavenderfarms.com>



I am trying to find out if anyone in the US or Canada has a particular

lavender variety.  It is Lavandula angustifolia "Cedar Blue".  I have tried

all my sources without any luck.  If you have this variety of know anyone

that does please contact me.



Thank you

Ian Caldicott

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Quiet or something wrong?

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:06:47 EST

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Parijata2@aol.com



In a message dated 1/21/99 11:56:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,

grammafatt@rmci.net writes:



<< 

 Has the list just been very quiet for several months or am I not getting

 my messages?  And Herbchat..  Were we automatically subscribed to it too

 in the change or do I have to go in & re-do?  I think I have not had one

 chat message since the change. Went to the page but didn't have time to

 really check out much except the pages that said they were superfluous

 or whatever it was they said.  I am about to go into withdrawal without

 my "herbinfo" fixes!<<



LOL Yes, I too have noticed it has become very quiet on the list. Though I

myself am on another list for something else which has my hair turning red!

hehe Keeps me busy. Also, consdier the month. In January everything seems to

slow down, from the sap in the trees to people. But hey, we can fight it! :)

 

>> I went back to the list & tried to subscribe to herbinfo chat & it says

 I am already on.  Can't believe there has been NO chat for however long

 it has been.<,



Glad you mentioned herbinfo chat. I finally have a little time and might be

able to go there. Can someone tell me how to get there? Do I have to

subscribe? 



<3Pari

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Quiet or something wrong?

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:53:10 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



Guess everyone is busy, as I should be right now.  The herb garden survived

the ice storm only to start putting out new growth again.  My Arp

rosemaries, which is my first try with them, survived quite well, banked

them good with hay.  Lavender is my problem through.  We are zone 5 so don't

leave them outside, but have too many to dig up and bring in now.  Does

anyone have good suggestions for overwintering them outside?

Jan Flood  oakridge@windo.missouri.org

Visit our farm at http://www.oakridgefarm.com

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Quiet or something wrong?

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:59:38 +0000

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>



Hi Jan,



Thanks for the comeback.  I also am on another list, which is working

out well, herbs slow right now, it is knitting so it is busy.  Enjoying

both of them.



you wrote:  <<Lavender is my problem through.  We are zone 5 so don't

leave them outside, but have too many to dig up and bring in now.  Does

anyone have good suggestions for overwintering them outside?>>  I can't

for the life of me think for sure what zone I am, I think 5 also & can't

find a map just now.  I know there must be at least 4 or 5 of them in my

books but can't find..  Anyway, my lavendar is umpty years old.  Started

from seed ages ago, it self seeds like crazy so I know it is not one of

the new hybreds just a nice French Lavendar.  I do nothing to it except

trim it to keep it the size I want.  It has survived maybe 15 winters, 3

moves.  I don't even mulch it.  I am in Boise, Idaho called the banana

belt locally cause all around us is a zone colder.  But we get down to I

think the ave is 10 F... there again, you can look it up.  Why don't you

just keep track of the ones you had to leave out & see.  Bet they will

winter just fine.  Looks to me like you are in or near Missouri.  Should

be similar to us.  Look on your map, (hopefully you are better organized

than I am & can find one!).



And, I have something I would like to send to chat list.  Is the address

herbinfo-chat@blah blah blah?  I can't seem to find it.  Or, maybe ans

me on the chat &see if I get it.  The web page says I am already

subscribed but I have gotten nothing from it in months.



TIA,



Patt





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Quiet or something wrong?

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:50:06 EST

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Parijata2@aol.com



In a message dated 1/22/99 6:36:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

grammafatt@rmci.net writes:



<< 

 And, I have something I would like to send to chat list.  Is the address

 herbinfo-chat@blah blah blah?  I can't seem to find it.  Or, maybe ans

 me on the chat &see if I get it.  The web page says I am already

 subscribed but I have gotten nothing from it in months. >>



Yes, this is what I have been asking too. How do I get to herinfo-chat?



<3

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Subject: [HerbInfo] RE: herbinfo-digest V98 #348

From: "Ian Caldicott" <ian@lavenderfarms.com>

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:57:17 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Ian Caldicott" <ian@lavenderfarms.com>







Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:53:10 -0600

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Quiet or something wrong?







Guess everyone is busy, as I should be right now.  The herb garden survived

the ice storm only to start putting out new growth again.  My Arp

rosemaries, which is my first try with them, survived quite well, banked

them good with hay.  Lavender is my problem through.  We are zone 5 so don't

leave them outside, but have too many to dig up and bring in now.  Does

anyone have good suggestions for overwintering them outside?

Jan Flood  oakridge@windo.missouri.org

Visit our farm at http://www.oakridgefarm.com

"If you can't find the time to do it right, how will you find the time to do

it over?"



- ------------------------------



Jan

	Lavender is generally much hardier than you might think.  There are places

in Montana and Canada where it does quite well without coming inside during

the winter.  Some varieties are more prone to cold damage than others so you

may want to check on the individual varieties you are growing.   Here in the

pacific norhtwest we have thousands of plants out in the fields of numerous

varieties,  If I am not mistaken we are about the same zone as you.  Most of

the plants have nothing special done to them, some have a heavy bed of mulch

put around them for the winter.



Ian Caldicott

http://www.lavenderfarms.com - lavender plants, craft supplies, crafts and

everything lavender



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] RE: herbinfo-digest V98 #348

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:28:05 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



Thanks for the info re lavender, enjoyed your website.  Was told they would

not survive the winter here (I'm from CA) so dutifully dug them up last year

too :)  Couldn't see starting with new plants each spring and can't live

without lavender.

Jan Flood  oakridge@windo.missouri.org

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] RE: lavender talk

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:31:38 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>



My lavender in NH and northern MA (zone 5) has never succumbed to

winterkill, I have never brought it is (in 20 years) and I have grown

several varieties...I do not grow those varieties labeled "tender"

perennial, though.

I rarely mulch, hope that fallen leaves and snow will do the job.

Joanie



> Lavender is generally much hardier than you might think.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] RE: lavender talk

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:22:03 +0000

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>



OK, my daughter sent me 2 sites with zone maps.  Maybe I won't misplace

these :))

I am officially in 6 or possibly 5.  I can second the stuff Joanie said

& I also don't do anything about mulch or anything except to weed & trim

just to keep them the size I want.



<<My lavender in NH and northern MA (zone 5) has never succumbed to

winterkill, I have never brought it is (in 20 years) and I have grown

several varieties...I do not grow those varieties labeled "tender"

perennial, though.

I rarely mulch, hope that fallen leaves and snow will do the job.

Joanie>>



As I said... ditto



Patt



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Re:Abcess

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:58:58 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>



YOU WROTE: 

It's Saturday and my boyfreind has a abcessed tooth. No Dr.'s in til Mon.

Anyone have any ideas for a herbal poultice? help he's in pain. I gave him

some antibiotics left over from a previous infection, Pharmacist said that

will be ok til Mon.



I ADD:

Clove oil on cotton in tooth cavity will numb.   Poltice of mashed raw garlic

and plantain leaf will kill infection every bit as well as antibiotics.  Place

in cheek as if it was chewing tobacco.  Keep there at least 15 min.  Repeat 4

times a day. 



Can keep plantain in mouth almost continuously.  Garlic will irritate mouth

tissue if used more than above. 

KB

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re:Abcess

From: P Nighswander <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:16:40 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: P Nighswander <nighs@king.igs.net>









> It's Saturday and my boyfreind has a abcessed tooth. No Dr.'s in til Mon.

> Anyone have any ideas for a herbal poultice? help he's in pain. I gave him

> some antibiotics left over from a previous infection, Pharmacist said that

> will be ok til Mon.

>

> I got an abcess tooth when the dentist took a long weekend. First I tried motrin

> for the pain 1200 mg every four hours then I did echinacea tea from fresh

> flowers finishing by eating the flower. The pain totally went away.  The dentist

> didn't believe till the exrays came back. Any form of echinacea if you get

> enough should do the same. The Indians used to use it for toothache. pn







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Subject: [HerbInfo] Abcess

From: "schick1" <schick1@ptd.net>

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:22:00 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "schick1" <schick1@ptd.net>



Hi It's Saturday and my boyfreind has a abcessed tooth. No Dr.'s in til Mon.

Anyone have any ideas for a herbal poultice? help he's in pain. I gave him

some antibiotics left over from a previous infection, Pharmacist said that

will be ok til Mon.Help, Thanks, Patti in Pa.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Abcess

From: "Sno0wl" <sno0wl@earthlink.net>

Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:13:04 +0000

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On 23 Jan 99, , schick1 wrote:



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> Posted To HerbInfo By: "schick1" <schick1@ptd.net>

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> Hi It's Saturday and my boyfreind has a abcessed tooth. No Dr.'s in til Mon.

> Anyone have any ideas for a herbal poultice? help he's in pain. I gave him

> some antibiotics left over from a previous infection, Pharmacist said that

> will be ok til Mon.Help, Thanks, Patti in Pa.



It's not exactly herbal but a few teaspoons of Colloidal Silver on an infected tooth 

works miracles for me. I use a medicine dropper and put it directly on the tooth and 

gum. I also use a plantain oil infusion which takes away pain and seems to heal as 

well.I put that on with a Q-tip. Just a little dab does it.



You've probably solved this problem by now, since it's Monday. But these things are 

wonderful to have on hand for emergencies. I just made my very first batch of Colloidal 

Silver and it's wonderful to have a limitless supply!!!!





sno0wl

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Subject: [HerbInfo] DREADED FLU

From: k9228@webtv.net (gee/whiz kid)

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:36:50 -0800 (PST)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: k9228@webtv.net (gee/whiz kid)



Hi all

I have had that  horrid flu now about 10 days..... everything coming out

of my sinus's  is green...my head is so stopped up I feel like I am

drowning...I am drinking 4 literes of water aday plus am taking

elderberry ..echinacea..... golden seal combo pill form 2 at  4  times

aday 

also 2 echinacea  4 times a day

and just added natures way CAPSICOOL cayenne with ginger..2 of those per

day

Any suggestions on what else I can do??



please any sugggestions (no insurance)

thanks I am in bed  helpp 

 Kathy   



                                                 





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] DREADED FLU

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:09:23 +0000

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>



Kathy,



My suggestion is to add lots of raw (or powdered) garlic to what you are

already doing.  Patt



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] DREADED FLU

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:56:06 EST

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In a message dated 1/23/99 7:37:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, k9228@webtv.net

writes:



<< plus am taking

 elderberry ..echinacea..... golden seal combo pill form 2 at  4  times

 aday  >>



I was told that once a flu hits, in order to quicky rid oneself of them, one

has to take immunity, or the above, pills every hour until symptoms subside.

Tincture is better. Good luck! 



<3

Pari 

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] DREADED FLU

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:04:22 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>



I would say stay in bed, sleep, and keep warm, warm enough to sweat,

probably.

Joanie



>I have had that  horrid flu now about 10 days..... <snip>

>Any suggestions on what else I can do??

>thanks I am in bed  helpp









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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] DREADED FLU

From: Melanie <Lallym@uswest.net>

Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:29:11 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Melanie <Lallym@uswest.net>



gee/whiz kid wrote:



> Posted To HerbInfo By: k9228@webtv.net (gee/whiz kid)

>

> Hi all

> I have had that  horrid flu now about 10 days..... everything coming out

> of my sinus's  is green...my head is so stopped up I feel like I am

>



Hi! Hope you are feeling better!! I would also take Vit C and lots of

garlic- pills, but raw or sauteed lightly if you can take it. I would also

think about going to see a heatlh care provider- Sinusitis can lead to other

complications. You may need anitbiotics at this point!   Take care, Melanie









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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] DREADED FLU/Sinus Infection?

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:15:59 EST

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In a message dated 1/23/99 7:37:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, k9228@webtv.net

writes:



<< I have had that  horrid flu now about 10 days..... everything coming out

 of my sinus's  is green...my head is so stopped up I feel like I am

 drowning...I am drinking 4 literes of water aday plus am taking

 elderberry ..echinacea..... golden seal combo pill form 2 at  4  times

 aday 

 also 2 echinacea  4 times a day >>



Hi Kathy,



Sounds like your taking all the right things...but have you considered that it

might be a sinus infection and not the flu? My youngest son suffers from

chronic sinusitis (due to allergies), sounds like his symptoms when he comes

down with a full-blown infection. You may want to include Garlic or onion

also, although Goldenseal is excellent for bacterial infections esp. when

combined with enchinacea ... could you increase the dosage or frequency of the

Goldenseal? In James Dukes book the Green Pharmacy he states, "Naturopaths say

that combining 250 to 500 mg of pure Bromelain (compound found in pineapple)

with Goldenseal enhances the herb's already potent effectiveness. (It is

always best to consult a professional.)



Vapor or steam inhalations should help to bring some relief also.

Use 2 to 3 drops each of pine or rosemary, peppermint and eucalyptus eo in a

bowl of steaming water, cover head with a towel and breath vapor for 5-10 with

your eyes closed. Repeat several times a day.

Sinus Infections can occasionally lead to serious secondary infections, if you

do not start feeling better soon, you should not hesitate to see a Dr., it may

be cheaper in the long run.



take care and feel better soon,

denise

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Re:  Lavender plants

From: jodi yeager <mamajo@netexp.net>

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:38:36 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: jodi yeager <mamajo@netexp.net>



Dear Jan:



Regarding over-wintering lavender plants in zone 5 (I'm in nw Ohio) What

I was told to do is to mulch heavily around the plant to a depth of 4-6

in., but do not put the mulch next to the stem.  As soon as spring comes

pull the mulch away.



This is my first year for lavender, Perhaps we could compare notes.



Peace, 

Jodi

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re:  Lavender plants

From: P Nighswander <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:23:59 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: P Nighswander <nighs@king.igs.net>







This is my third or forth year for wintering over lavender in Ontario Canada



zone 5.Last year with the ice storm there was lots of freezing and thawing.

This year i built a little cage fence around it and dumped a couple of bags

of shredded maple leaves on it.  Presently it is under two feet of snow,

unusually  large amount.  Spring will tell me if it works. It likes to face

south. pn



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Flu Relief & Prevention

From: k9228@webtv.net (gee/whiz kid)

Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:17:55 -0800 (PST)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: k9228@webtv.net (gee/whiz kid)



Hi Sabrina,   Pari   and all the list who wrote....

Thank you all for taking the time to write.

I enjoyed getting all that attention ;) I am writingto say I am feeling

much better!!!!!!

I went to the Davis food coop and got Elderberry Sambucol suyrp  liquid

New bottle of Echinacea extract and Alacer corp. Emergen-C effervescence

that you mix in water ....  I took the Echinacea and Elderberry in 1 oz.

of Cabernet  every 2 hours for 1 day and drank 5 literes of water with

the  Emergen C  in it for the last 3 days !!!!!!!!

the green in my sinus is gone  and I don't feel like dying anymore I am

still gonna stay in bed for another 2 days to rest.. I sure hope no one

else gets this terrible stuff it was pretty bad!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you again

KATHY



 



                                                 





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] poison ivy

From: WANAKEEH@aol.com

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:29:29 EST

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Bathing in vinegar is excellent for neutralizing poison ivy, and it helps with

the itching too. A homeopathic herbal cream that is available in health food

stores, that contains  calendula, Echinacea and such is a good follow-up to

the vinegar treatments. Hope this helps...





Kee 



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In a message dated 1/26/99 6:24:10 PM EST, tamara.moore@home.com writes:



> Does anyone know of any good herbs, etc to rid oneself of poison ivy?

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] poison ivy

From: k9228@webtv.net (gee/whiz kid)

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:35:06 -0800 (PST)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: k9228@webtv.net (gee/whiz kid)



Tamara 



try oatmeal baths you will think you had gone to heaven!!!!!!!

take a cup of oatmeal the kind you eat for breakfast is fine,then put it

in a piece of cloth ie.a sock is also fine tie a knot in it and throw it

in your bath water while its running leave it in there while you soak in

tub  fairly warm water is fine stay in as long as ya like a

drop  of tea tree oil in the bath would'nt hurt either

good luck

Kathy

sorry about the run on sentences i did this w- one hand;)



                                                 





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] poison ivy

From: DriftwoodDave & Starwomyn <ejvdwp@js-net.com>

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:44:41 -0800

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I think Jewelweed is supposed to be a specific for it. 



DriftwoodDave





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Subject: [HerbInfo] poison ivy

From: "Tamara L. Moore" <tamara.moore@home.com>

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:19:13 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Tamara L. Moore" <tamara.moore@home.com>



Greetings all,



Does anyone know of any good herbs, etc to rid oneself of poison ivy?



Thanks in advance,

(Itchy) Tamara





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] poison ivy

From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:36:31 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>



Jan Flood's comments about Fels Natptha is the one I would also go with.  

It is a strong laundry soap that comes in a yellowish bar.   It is  a strong 

alkaline that normally you would not wash your skin with it.  However it 

breaks down the urushiol ( love that word) acid  from poison ivy that cause 

the itching and bumps.  If you wash as soon as you can after exposure, it 

is unlikely that you will even break out.  I've seen people crawl, without 

shirts on, thru poison ivy vines. The ones that washed with Fels did not 

break out.   If you are already broken out, wet your fingers, make a paste 

by rubbing the soap and pat it on the sores and itching.  It does a much 

better job of stopping the itching and drying up the sores than calamine, 

etc.  



Did you know cashews are from the same family? 



> 

> Posted To HerbInfo By: "Tamara L. Moore" <tamara.moore@home.com>

> Does anyone know of any good herbs, etc to rid oneself of poison ivy?

> 



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] poison ivy

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:05:29 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>



My addition to this list is to bathe in a strong tea of astringent sweet

fern (related to bayberry) IF you have that growing around you.

While some people swear by jewelweed, I find it only works when fresh, and

the poison ivy exposure is fresh.

Joanie







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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] poison ivy

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:00:23 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



Suffered a terrible case of poison oak this summer - evidently got exposed

while my husband was cutting weeds - even tho I was never near any greenery.

Took weeks to clear up, shots and medication and left scars along one arm.

A friends husband passed along a tip from his Marine days.  They had the

guys wash with Fels Naptha - and rub it on their clothes before going into

areas that might contain poison oak or ivy.  Then bathe with it when they

came in.  Thought that was interesting - wonder what's in it?

Jan Flood  oakridge@windo.missouri.org

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] poison ivy

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:39:44 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>



Hi Jan again - :-)

I found this on the toiletries list...



<<Fels Naptha contains Napthalene.  It is on the label.  It states on the

label that this bar is intended to be used as a laundry soap and is not

intended to take a bath with or prolonged contact with the skin. >>



When I was a kid, neighbors used "yellow soap", in this case a strong lye

soap an old Finnish woman in the neighborhood made.  But my own grandmother

used sweetfern tea.



Joanie





>A friends husband passed along a tip from his Marine days.  They had the

>guys wash with Fels Naptha - and rub it on their clothes before going into

>areas that might contain poison oak or ivy.  Then bathe with it when they

>came in.  Thought that was interesting - wonder what's in it?





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] poison ivy

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:17:12 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>







>Did you know cashews are from the same family?



yes...mangoes, too, I think...(not sure on my memory there)



Actually, if you look closely at the seed of the poison ivy (birds eat 'em)

you can see that it looks like a miniature cashew fruit, with mini "cashews"

growing around an inner core...

And also, the oil in the skin around raw cashews, which is usually

thoroughly removed

before it gets to the consumer, has an effect like that of poison ivy.  It

has the same type of poison.

I think that roasting deactivates this property.

We used to be very careful with raw cashews back in the 60's...

some used to come into the country not totally cleaned of this stuff...

they did cause some bad "poison ivy reactions".

Long ago memories here.



Joanie







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Subject: [HerbInfo] Food

From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:51:51 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>



Not necessarily pleasant reading if you are easily bothered,however, you 

may find it useful.  



Caution: Don't read it if you are easily convinced that eating anything and 

everything is bad for you.  Until we come up with something better, we still 

need to eat.





>From the Scout Report, Copyright Internet Scout Project 1994-1999.

http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/

======  January 22, 1999                                     ====

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12. All You Can Eat -- EWG

http://www.foodnews.org/



Just what's on that apple, or in that salad or ice cream? Although they

are unlikely to be happy with what they find, users can now discover which

and how many pesticides are likely to be on the food they eat. Provided by

the non-profit Environmental Working Group (EWG), this site allows users

to match selections from hundreds of food items with more than 90,000

government lab tests. Visitors to the site have four sections to choose

from: Daily Fare, which lets users select a full day's worth of meals and

find out what pesticides they ate; Fruit Salad Roulette, which reveals the

pesticides in a typical fruit salad or individual piece of fruit; the EWG

Supermarket, which allows users to fill a cart and then picks random

samples of each food chosen from government data and lists the 

pesticides;

and a Kids Menu, which analyzes the pesticides that a child between the

ages of one and five eats in a typical day. In addition, the site offers a

selection of chemical and food FAQS and tips for reducing exposure. [MD]



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Parsley

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:13:02 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



A rough basketball game left two of the girls with minor injuries,  a broken

toe and a sprained thumb.  The young girl with the toe problem heard

somewhere about freezing parsley in water and using it on an injury -

parents and coach couldn't believe the rapid improvement.  They've asked me

how it works, but I don't really know.  It is listed in my books as a

dressing for sprains and the juice of the root is used to reduce swelling -

but doesn't give much more information.

Jan Flood  oakridge@windo.missouri.org

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Starting Herbs

From: "Gardenthyme~Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 07:45:36 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Gardenthyme~Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>



Hi all, my name is Dee, and this is the first time I've posted here.  I love

herbs, and I'm trying to learn to use them all the time.  I grow my own and

I'm interested in starting some for the garden, but I'm not sure when I

should start them.  Are there some that need to be started this early?  I

live in Zone 5, in the heartland.   I'm also interested in any herb blends

any of you might have.  (Trying to cut out salt)  Any help is appreciated.

Happy Day,

Dee



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Starting Herbs

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:57:39 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>



> (Trying to cut out salt)



Well come to a list that has been somewhat dormant over these Northern

hemispheric winters.  (was wearing shorts Friday, thermals today)



As for salt, NaCl (sodium chloride), it is necessary for proper brain

function.  Perhaps it would be a better consideration to read labels and

cut out your Sodium intake (Na citrate, -sulfate, -nitrate) or at least

reduce it.



If HBP is your reasoning, then there are many wonderful diuretics that

are amazing garden plants, parsley, dandelion, corn silk, wild carrot.



unfortunately for me my brother is mad at me so I have to borrow someone

else's rotor tiller.  :-)



soon, very soon.  



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Soapwort.

From: PARADISE DOCTOR <padoctor@carnival.com>

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:14:56 -0500 

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Posted To HerbInfo By: PARADISE DOCTOR <padoctor@carnival.com>



Hi Everyone!



	It's been a while since I've been in touch but I was wondering if

anyone has any information at all on Soapwort? It's just that I'm providing

a garden (Veggies & Herbs & edible plants.)for an orphanage in Jamaica & I

need to find out all the information I can to make this successful. I've

checked my list thoroughly for any poisonous plants & so far the garden

should be fine. I've been researching all the herbs & flowers & veggies but

I've found 

very little information on Soaps wort.



	I was considering this plant as the children have no soaps or

cleaning detergents, and they didn't even have tooth brushes before we

arrived at the orphanage. They used to use the end of a twig. They would

slay the end and use it like a brush, essentially picking their teeth. I am

trying to allow them to be a little more self sufficient by providing them

with plant & flowers that they can use. If you have any ideas or information

I'd be eternally grateful. This is a very important project for me that lays

very close to my heart. Many thanks once again.



Bestwishes.



Lisa Robertson.

padoctor@carnival.com



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Soapwort.

From: Stacey Graham <sigraham@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:18:49 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Stacey Graham <sigraham@juno.com>



Hi Lisa,

I found a recipe for shampoo using soapwort, hope this helps!



~1 tablespoon grated or powdered soapwort root

~a handful of fresh or 1tbsp dried chamomile or other herbs

~1 cup boiling water

Pour the boiling water onto the soapwort and chamomile, cover and leave

to infuse until cool.  The chamomile will add additional strength and

scent to the shampoo.



Good luck!

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Soapwort.

From: John Marshall / Jaya Tirtha Charan Dasa <jtcd@xtra.co.nz>

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 14:41:53 +1300

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Posted To HerbInfo By: John Marshall / Jaya Tirtha Charan Dasa <jtcd@xtra.co.nz>





>	I was considering this plant as the children have no soaps or

>cleaning detergents, and they didn't even have tooth brushes before we

>arrived at the orphanage. They used to use the end of a twig. They would

>slay the end and use it like a brush, essentially picking their teeth. I am

>trying to allow them to be a little more self sufficient by providing them

>with plant & flowers that they can use. If you have any ideas or information

>I'd be eternally grateful. This is a very important project for me that lays

>very close to my heart. Many thanks once again.

>

>Bestwishes.

>

>Lisa Robertson.

>padoctor@carnival.com



Two really good natural toothbrushes are the twigs from the Nim tree, and

from the Gum (Eucalyptus), try then, they are really good, cheap and with a

tree nearby in near endless supply.



All you have to doo is chew the end a little to make like a brush and the

natural oils both being antiseptic do the rest.



....and for tooth past try this recipe:



Equal parts of each; chalk powder, salt, ground mustard seed.



A small amount of each: thymol, camphor, and menthol.



Add a little Oil of Wintergreen, and Glycerine to make a paste.



....you can blend it to suit your taste, and each time you only need the

size of a pea so it lasts for a long time in a sealed container.



Jaya



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Soapwort.

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 20:44:51 -0500

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> They used to use the end of a twig.



Dogwood (Cornus spp) or Sweetgum (don't have it off hand) are the

traditional 'twig' brushes.



I have soapwort growing in my garden, they say all parts of it suds in

water, but don't have enough yet to experiment.  Grows well in zone 7b,

is all I know.  :)



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Soapwort.

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:50:09 -0600

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I've never had much luck getting soapwort to suds, I'd hate to depend on it

for cleaning, and it seems like it would take an enormous amount of plants

to be very useful.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Soapwort.

From: hek@hetta.pp.fi

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 05:37:03 GMT

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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:50:09 -0600, "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

wrote to <herbinfo@alist4u.net>:



>I've never had much luck getting soapwort to suds, I'd hate to depend on it

>for cleaning, and it seems like it would take an enormous amount of plants

>to be very useful.



The idea that suds are equal to cleaning power is shampoo-makers marketing hype.

It doesn't take all that much, really.



So for Saponaria "soap", or laundry "detergent", or "shampoo", take any part of

the plant you can get and crush it up in more or less warm water. Then strain

and use.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Soapwort.

From: miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>

Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 08:26:47 +0200

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Posted To HerbInfo By: miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>



PARADISE DOCTOR wrote:



>  I was considering this plant as the children have no soaps or

> cleaning detergents, and they didn't even have tooth brushes before we

> arrived at the orphanage. They used to use the end of a twig. They would

> slay the end and use it like a brush, essentially picking their teeth. I am

> trying to allow them to be a little more self sufficient by providing them

> with plant & flowers that they can use. ]



Lisa,



With regard to using twigs as toothbrushes, that is a time-honored and efficient

way to clean teeth. David Hoffman's _ Holistic Herbal_ has a method for making

natural toothbrushes: peel the ends of 5-inch pieces of marshmallow or liquorice

root; boil with cinnamon sticks and cloves till tender; soak them in brandy for

a day. He says to handle them carefully at this point, as they break easily. I

guess soaking them in brandy is to help get them flexible. After a day in

brandy, allow them to dry. Before using, soak the end which will go in the mouth

in hot water. This is all you need, no additional toothpaste necessary.



My guess is that instead of marshmallow or liquorice, another root or twig,

maybe from the same tree that the children already know to use, could be

substituted. Marshmallow and liquorice have medicinal properties of their own,

of course, but if they're not available where you are, others just as good will

be, I'm sure. Instead of brandy, any small amount of the the local liquor would

do. It would certainly sterilize the roots: not that any toothbrush is sterile

if it's been used even once.



It seems to me that making their  toothbrushes is more economical than providing

modern brushes and toothpaste, and teaching the children how to make them is a

skill they can have for the rest of their lives.  I have a dentist friend whose

main patient population are children from a poor neighborhood, coming from

families of 15 or more, most often all living in three rooms. He says that they

are hard put to keep socks on their feet, much less buy dental hygiene products.

Their mothers are used to  traditional Eastern-European home remedies, and would

probably be open to this "twig alternative".



At any rate, I wish you success and blessing in your endeavor to provide shelter

and home to needy kids.



Miriam Kresh

miriam_k@netvision.net.il



P.S. It sounds as if you're as busy as a human can possible get, but have you

considered learning to make your own soap? Or perhaps there is a person in the

area who makes it and could give you a workshop (or provide it for you cheap). I

used to live in Brazil, where coconut soap is considered the best laundry

cleaner - too harsh for bathing, I think. But soap made from lard would cost

little. This too could be taught to responsible older kids (ages 15 and up, I

should think), as the lye and lye-water involved in the process are not

materials to have out where little ones might be. Well, soapwort would certainly

be easier and safer, after all... question is, can you grow enough of it to

provide for your needs? Let us know!



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Need remedy for Gall stones/ kidney stones

From: "Jim mettenbrink" <jimsjn@parma.ru>

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:31:37 +0300

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jim mettenbrink" <jimsjn@parma.ru>



I am in Northern Russia where medical treatment is ?????

A friend was recently in the hospital with gall stones or

kidney stones.  Essentially the doc did nothing but wait

until the pain went away and they discharged him.  Medicine

and treatment are poor and in short supply.  A Russian

proverb states "Free medical isn't worth a kopeck (cent)."

A friend said last year "going to our hospital is certain

death."

   So I appeal to you for natural remedies for gall stones

an kidney stones.  Thanks.  Yes its cold here - last week it

was below -40 all week. God bless.



Jim

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Need remedy for Gall stones/ kidney stones

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 04:54:27 -0500

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> A friend was recently in the hospital with gall stones or

> kidney stones.



well, one doubles you over forward, the other backward, which did this

person have, there are major differences in treatment as they have

vastly different functions.



I have sent for a regimine for gallbladder detoxification from a Dr.

friend of mine, as for kidney stones, dietary will help, but one needs

to know if the stones are calcium based or oxalic acid based.  



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Subject: [HerbInfo] RE: Need remedy for Gallstones/Kidney Stones

From: "Claudia M. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionistclm@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 20:28:26 PST

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I have successfully done a gall bladder cleanse, a 

description of what I do is at my web site, to long

to post here.  The cleanse seems to also affect the

kidneys and is good for the liver.  Lemon Juice is

also good for kidney stones...drink fresh lemon

squeezed in pure water 2-3 times daily.  A link to

my site is in my sig lines, and then you page down

to the link re gallbladder cleanse.  It's not always

fun, but it does the job :-)



Have a great day!



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Re:Soapwort

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:40:58 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>



YOU WROTE:

 <snip> never had much luck getting soapwort to suds, I'd hate to depend on

 it for cleaning, and it seems like it would take an enormous amount of

 plants to be very useful.  <snip>

 

 I ADD:

 Soapwort is a very mild cleaner and doesn't suds much BUT it does a good

 job of cleaning.  A bit like old-fashioned-pork-fat-and-homemade-lye soap. 

 We have become too used to detergents and associate suds with cleaning power.

 

 I have used it to wash my hair while on camping trips and it's is great.

 

 It is traditional for cleaning antique fabrics and laces and other valuable

 and delicate fabrics.  It cleans without stripping or changing the fiber

 texture.  If you use it to wash fair-isle type knits, it will clean the

 dirt without removing the wool grease that makes the knits shed rain and

 without making the wool itchy.

 

 I use it regularly to wash my handmade quilts and knits.  One pound of

 fresh herb (everything growing above ground) will usually clean one regular

 wash tub load.  Adjust if fabrics are heavily soiled.    



 The roots are a bit stronger.  I use them when my patch outgrows it's 

 boundries and I remove the extra.  Otherwise I stick to the herb.

 

 Crush the soapwort and swish around in the water, remove the bigger plant

 pieces and add fabrics.  Let soak like you would using "woolite" (nci),

 then rinse and dry.

 KB

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re:Soapwort

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:18:24 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



Thanks for all your input, I am familiar with soapwort and it's uses.  I

evidently don't have as much luck growing it as some of you - it didn't seem

to thrive in it's original location, semi-shady, moved it to full sun with

late afternoon shade and it finally died out.  I never had enough to feel

good about cutting it so maybe I just didn't use enough for good cleaning.

On-the-other-hand, my yuccas are going great guns, any tips on using them

for cleaning?  I know it was used in times past too.



Worked in the garden yesterday, everything is growing, felt so good to get

my hands in the dirt again.  Will probably have 10,000 plants to deal with

though, due to our very late and very warm winter.  The mints seem to have

escaped their boundaries and are intent on mutating and taking over.  The

lime especially seems to have invaded the peppermint, I cut, dug and pulled

but would guess I should probably purchase new peppermint this year?  I use

a lot of it.

Jan Flood  oakridge@windo.missouri.org

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re:Soapwort

From: "Carole Ottesen" <cottesen@hortshorts.com>

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:59:10 -0800

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Dear Jan Flood,

Have you had any experience with vitex berries?  I have some, but don't

know if they ought to be ground up before making a tea or if what I can

make with the berries contains all it ought?

Carole





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Soapwort/Info.

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 19:58:39 EST

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In a message dated 2/3/99 8:56:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

oakridge@windo.missouri.org writes:



<< I've never had much luck getting soapwort to suds, I'd hate to depend on it

 for cleaning, >>



Fortunately the suds are not what make soapwort a very good, mild cleanser.

It's great for dry or sensitive skin. Museums and antique fabric restorers use

it to clean delicate items. All parts of the plant will suds but I harvest and

use only the dried root.

take care,

denise

Here's a little more info;

 Soapwort 

Saponaria ocymoides 

Called "Bouncing Bet" among many other things. Used by both Europeans and

Native Americans as a soap, hence its common name. Used now primarlily as a

low growing ornamental with flower color ranging from white to purple. Most

cultivars we know of bear lots of small pink flowers. Can be planted outdoors

in the Autumn.  

QUICK STATS 

Plant Type:  Herb  

Zones:  3 through 11  

Flower Color:  Pink  

Foliage Color:  Green  

Bloom Time:  Mid Summer - Late Summer  

Width:  24"  

Height:  18"  

Attributes:  -  

  Exposure:  Full Sun  

Planting Time:  Mid Spring - Mid Summer  

Soil Moisture:  Average  

Soil pH:  Neutral  

Soil Composition:  Normal, Sandy, Loam  

Planting Depth:  -  

Care Rating:   Easy   

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Subject: [HerbInfo] What to plant

From: Uni Covert <unicovert1@yahoo.com>

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 03:36:47 -0800 (PST)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Uni Covert <unicovert1@yahoo.com>



Hi everyone!



  I've got a question for all of you.  I am finally going to be able

to start my own herb garden.  It will be a very small one, only about

three feet square.  What herbs should I plant.  I mean which ones

would be most useful to me?  I live in the Bakersfield, California. 

Sorry, I can't remember what zone that is or find the site that tells

me either!



Thanks for any help.



Bright Blessings,

Uni













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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] What to plant

From: thinkfast@linkfast.net (Leslie L. Smith)

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:47:48 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: thinkfast@linkfast.net (Leslie L. Smith)



Uni in Calif. you have the distinction of being divided into micro-climates

by Sunset gardens for ease.

I am thinking you are in USDA 10   I am not sure



<< What herbs should I plant.  I mean which ones would be most useful to me?  >>



That depends on which will be the most useful to you.

I mean do you want a kitchen Herb Garden??

or medicinal--or a cross.



I am new to the Herbs aspect of gardening but locally here i was able to

visit a small biz set of 3 greenhouses that specialze in herbs for both.



I have heard about a lot of many of these herbs but until I was invited to

touch and smell and taste I thot of them as for someone else.

my neighbor and I bought $60 worth and only becasue I am not working.

I will be attempting to propagate several they were the most devine thing I

have done in a long time.



maybe you can find a speciality nurshery that has a broad selection after

thinking of these personal questions and I am sure this list will give you

more than 3sq ft of ideas!!





Then I would go with a few you are familiar with and a couple you find

interesting.



GOOD LUCK!





--leslie

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] What to plant

From: Uni Covert <unicovert1@yahoo.com>

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:41:18 -0800 (PST)

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I guess it would've helped to differenciate!  I am looking mostly for

medicinal herbs.  I have two teenage sons and a bunch of cat's if that

helps any!



Thanks for the input.  I will look for a herb nursery around here.



Bright Blessings,

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Subject: [HerbInfo] soapwort

From: Linda Boyce <orehomestead@proaxis.com>

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:32:31 -0800 (PST)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Linda Boyce <orehomestead@proaxis.com>



Kathryn,

Thanks for the soapwort info. I do handspinning and will try washing the finished yarns with it.



Linda 

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Re: Soapwort

From: "Liz" <h1374@eznet.net>

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:28:29 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Liz" <h1374@eznet.net>



Hi List!,

    Does someone have a good source for soapwort? I would like to add some

to my daughters face wash.



TIA

Liz

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Small Herb Garden

From: SCSabrina@aol.com

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:41:20 EST

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I'm in zone 7 (Columbia, SC).  I started my herb garden for cooking.  I began

with some perennials ... chives, thyme, sage.  I've also got a horehound

plant, but I don't really know what to do with it.  Then each spring I put in

the annuals ... basil and oregano.  I'm expanding my herb garden this year so

I'm eager to hear what others recommend growing, as well.



Sabrina

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re: Soapwort/Source

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:54:07 EST

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Ivyvine058@aol.com



In a message dated 2/5/99 2:21:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, h1374@eznet.net

writes:



<< Hi List!,

     Does someone have a good source for soapwort? I would like to add some

 to my daughters face wash. >>

Hi Liz,

Like Joanie I have some in my garden also ... but if you wish to purchase it,

Penn Herb has it in root & powder form. 



Penn Herbs

http://www.pennherb.com/



good luck,

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re: Soapwort/Source

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 23:12:32 EST

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In a message dated 2/5/99 10:30:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Ivyvine058@aol.com writes:



<< 

 Like Joanie I have some in my garden also ... but if you wish to purchase it,

 Penn Herb has it in root & powder form. 

  >>



But where can the seeds be purchased from?



<3

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re: Soapwort/Source

From: ephraim mallery <elizneph@xmission.com>

Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 00:33:27 -0700

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Posted To HerbInfo By: ephraim mallery <elizneph@xmission.com>



>But where can the seeds be purchased from?

>

><3

>Pari 





Hi there!

I'm a full fleged lurker on this list but I guess I've been inspired to

take the interactive plunge!  I've been checking out sites for seed sources

and noticed that www.richters.com

sells about everything including soapwort seeds and plants. 



Watching the sun return in Salt Lake City,



Elizabeth

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re: Soapwort/Source

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 02:19:59 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>



Richter's has seeds...sure other places, too.

It is a perennial...not easy to grow from seed...easier to get starts from

old gardens and roadsides.

-

Joanie



> Like Joanie I have some in my garden also ... but if you wish to purchase

it,

> Penn Herb has it in root & powder form.



>But where can the seeds be purchased from?





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re: Soapwort/Source

From: Brenda R <brunions@inetone.net>

Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 08:58:22 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Brenda R <brunions@inetone.net>



I found seeds for soapwort right off the shelf.  'Plantation' markets

them.  They also have other herbs.  Most are .99 per pack and the

shipping costs are saved.



Brenda



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Womens fertility???? 

From: "william busser" <wbusser@scescape.net>

Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 16:26:56 -0500

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Any herbs help with womens fertility?????

Thanks in advance for any help

Robert



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Subject: [HerbInfo] re: What to plant

From: <lmorris@tcjc.cc.tx.us> "Laurie Morris"

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 99 16:26:49 CST

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Posted To HerbInfo By: <lmorris@tcjc.cc.tx.us> "Laurie Morris"



I expanded my herb garden last summer, although it is still small.  i had 

the most success with basil (especially genovese and cinnamon), with st. 

john's wort, comfrey and clary sage.  also melissa (lemon balm) and 

orangemint and catnip did well.  my chamomile died, i think because it 

didn't get enough sun.  epazote did extremely well.  as did sage and 

oregano.  i grew the epazote and basil from seed; the rest were purchased 

as plants from a reliable local source.  last summer was also my first year 

to go completely organic--worked very well.  i'm in Fort Worth, TX--the 

summer last year was a bear.



the SJW, comfrey, clary sage, melissa, catnip, orange mint, oregano, and 

sage have survived the winter well; however, our winter has been extremely 

mild this year.  i did mulch the garden in the fall.  oh, i would also 

recommend rosemary, but don't plant on north side if you get freezes at 

all.  i've lost two that way.  otherwise, they are great plants, fast 

growers.



i would just try what you're interested in growing.  most herbs don't seem 

too fussy, some like more shade than others, but most will do well just 

about anywhere.  add some compost to your soil and work it in, and you're 

in business.



Laurie

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Need Sleep Aid

From: "Parislexi" <parislexi@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:32:40 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Parislexi" <parislexi@worldnet.att.net>



I automatically wake up each morning at about 3:30am-4:30am.  Don't have to

get up until 6:00am.

No matter what time I go to bed, probably 5 days out of 7, I wake up too

early and can't go back to

sleep.  Sometimes I get drowsy at about 5:30am, but since I have to get up

at 6:00am, I oversleep 

some mornings.  Feel sleep deprived: sluggish, sleepy at work...



Can anyone recommend a sleep aid (non-narcotic, of course)?  I get up

several times throughout

night to go to the bathroom  ( I drink lots of water throughout the day),

but can usually go back to

sleep OK until about 3:30am..



Thanks!



Barbara L.

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Need Sleep Aid

From: "Carole Ottesen" <cottesen@hortshorts.com>

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:42:10 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Carole Ottesen" <cottesen@hortshorts.com>



Dear Barbara,

  The same thing happens to me whenever I drink wine at night.  I have

started drinking chamomile tea with a shot of valerian in it (

non-alcoholic, non-addictive).  I buy the tincture of valerian at a health

food store.  It works for me.  Even if I get up and heat the water, etc., I

get back in bed with the tea and a book and in about ten minutes I'm

dropping off.

Good luck!

CArole Ottesen





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Need Sleep Aid

From: "CoraLynn McKelvy" <cmckelvy@usa.net>

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:32:32 -0500

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I have great success with valerian root caps.  2 caps 30-60 minutes before

bed, 2 more after 90 minuntes if I can't get to sleep.  My son cannot

tolerate valerian (says it gives him a "hangover" type feeling next day) so

uses kava kava.



CoraLynn

ne TN

cmckelvy@usa.net





>Can anyone recommend a sleep aid (non-narcotic, of course)?





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Need Sleep Aid

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:33:11 +0000

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CoraLynn wrote:



<<I have great success with valerian root caps. >>



And for me valerian & passionflower together do the trick.  Neither

really does it alone.  Whereas, my

daughter gets relief from chamomile.  Different strokes.....



Patt





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Need Sleep Aid

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 09:22:22 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>



> I automatically wake up each morning at about 3:30am-4:30am.  Don't have to

> get up until 6:00am.



I was just cleaning out my mailbox and came across this.

One question, do you drink alcohol?  (wine, beer, etc)

Reason I am asking, alcohol is a stimulant (even though it knocks you

out first) and it generally kicks in between 2-3 am when your liver

wakes up to function.

I used to wake up at 3:45 every morning, whether I liked it or not.

Have since reduced amount of wine before bed and with Fibro, I still

find it hard to sleep, but I'm not waking up like I used to.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Need Sleep Aid

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:21:26 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>



it's been real slow.

Snowed here yesterday and I'm trying to shed this cold I've had since

Thanksgiving.  (comes and goes!!!)  Echinacea, zinc, C, you name it and

it ain't going!!! even did a round of zithromycin (new antibiotic) and

it's just stubborn.  I'm thinking that I possibly have an allergy to

Jasmine pollen as the silly tree is in full bloom once again.  (Jasminum

officinalis, 6' tall in the house)



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Subject: re: Re: [HerbInfo] Need Sleep Aid

From: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>

Date: 21 Feb 99 02:43:25 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>



Isnt Melatonin supposed to be dangerous????

I tried taking that, and it made me dizzy..and my heart hurt....any ideas or thoughts?

Sheila



> **--------- Original Message follows... 



>Posted To HerbInfo By: "Parislexi" <parislexi@worldnet.att.net>



Started taking melatonin this past weekend (3mg) and it seems to be helping

some without grogginess

but I may need to take a stronger strength or 2 per night (6mg) instead of

1.  I am awaking a little later

(automatically, at about 5:00-5:30am) but that's still too early,

especially on weekends!



Barbara L.







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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Need Sleep Aid

From: "Parislexi" <parislexi@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:57:25 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Parislexi" <parislexi@worldnet.att.net>



No,I don't drink alcohol, but think problem is related to a problem I had

with the morning paper delivery person who was making a lot of noise

running in the stairwell and letting fire doors slam on each floor

while delivering papers in the apt bldg I live in .  I live in apt on the

end near fire doors.  Got management

to fix doors so they don't slam anymore and complained to everyone

applicable up to the vice president of the paper, so problem now seems

resolved.  The disturbance usually occurred each morning between

3:30 and 5:00am. Started in Oct 98 thru Feb 5 99. 



Now my body seems to be used to getting up at about that time so I

automatically wake up then.



Started taking melatonin this past weekend (3mg) and it seems to be helping

some without grogginess

but I may need to take a stronger strength or 2 per night (6mg) instead of

1.  I am awaking a little later

(automatically, at about 5:00-5:30am) but that's still too early,

especially on weekends!



Barbara L.



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> From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

> To: herbinfo@alist4u.net

> Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Need Sleep Aid

> Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 9:22 AM

> > 

> from parislexi (Barbara L.):

> > I automatically wake up each morning at about 3:30am-4:30am.  Don't

have to

> > get up until 6:00am.

> 

from catskin:

> I was just cleaning out my mailbox and came across this.

> One question, do you drink alcohol?  (wine, beer, etc)

> Reason I am asking, alcohol is a stimulant (even though it knocks you

> out first) and it generally kicks in between 2-3 am when your liver

> wakes up to function....

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Lavender varieties

From: "Ian Caldicott" <ian@lavenderfarms.com>

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:15:51 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Ian Caldicott" <ian@lavenderfarms.com>



Hello all,

	I am finally able to find some time to get back to building my US lavender

database so I have a request.  AS many of you probably already know I am

trying to put together an updated list of all the lavender varieties

currently under cultivation in the US.  As Part of the endeavor I would like

to be able to indicate which states they are being successfully grown in.

So if you are growing lavender I would appreciate hearing from you (by

private e-mail so we don't tie up the list) concerning which varieties you

have, where you are and where you obtained your plants.  As soon as I have

the information organized in a reasonable manner I will make it available to

everyone over the web.



Thanks

Ian Caldicott

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Dormancy lifts

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:08:11 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>



Welcome new folks.  We're real quiet right now.  Sam Brooks, the

moderator does a few other lists too, but I'm sure he'll say a howdy

soon.  If the rest are like me, it's hybernation with new plant starts

about now.  (I don't do seeding well and have enough dirt in my house

I'll just wait till I can sow directly)



If you have any specific questions or remedies, please don't hesitate to

post them, someone will speak up.



I personally work with herbs on a remedial scale (thank you whoever it

was that sent me a private email offering me their wares, I make my own)

I find that behavior affects our sleep pattern as well as certain

chemical make ups.  Valerian, hops and passion flower give me great

hangovers, but I take them on occassion anyway.  I'm not a big pill

eater, but try to implement the herbs when I cook, but I haven't been

doing a lot of that lately either.  Ready to get out and till the

gardens.



nice to meet you



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Dormancy lifts

From: October Moon <oct-moon@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:50:41 EST

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Posted To HerbInfo By: October Moon <oct-moon@juno.com>



As for sleeping assistance, I find that linden flowers are tasty, and I

feel as though I have had a good rest in the am, not too groggy.

Passionflower often makes me woosy the next day...

Blessings, Nell



On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:08:11 -0500 catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

writes:

>

  Valerian, hops and passion flower give me great

>hangovers, but I take them on occassion anyway.  



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Children's Herbs

From: October Moon <oct-moon@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:50:41 EST

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Posted To HerbInfo By: October Moon <oct-moon@juno.com>



Come out of hybernation!



I am wondering what herbs any of you might use for childrens ailments? 

Right now my daughter is getting over a vile 24 hour virus~continual

vomiting and now quite feverish.  Thankfully she is as cheerful as ever! 

I gave her a chamomile bath, and tried to get some

catnip/boneset/peppermint tea into her, but she wasn't going for it!  I

did get some homeopathics in (Ferrum Phos & Chamomilla)  

What I am looking for is tips, for future or for sharing with my mom

friends.

Thanks for any advice or thoughts!

Blessings & more,

Nell



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Children's Herbs

From: WANAKEEH@aol.com

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 23:34:27 EST

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Posted To HerbInfo By: WANAKEEH@aol.com



Herbs for Kids brand Echinacea grape root is excellent and kids like the

taste.



Kee



In a message dated 2/20/99 7:52:30 PM EST, oct-moon@juno.com writes:



> I am wondering what herbs any of you might use for childrens ailments? 

>  Right now my daughter is getting over a vile 24 hour virus~continual

>  vomiting and now quite feverish.  Thankfully she is as cheerful as ever! 

>  I gave her a chamomile bath, and tried to get some

>  catnip/boneset/peppermint tea into her, but she wasn't going for it! 

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Tea  - poisons

From: "Jim mettenbrink" <jimsjn@parma.ru>

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 06:19:17 +0300

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jim mettenbrink" <jimsjn@parma.ru>



Jimsjn@parma.ru



Does anyone know if black/ green tea emits poisons if it is

left to steep to long?  I have heard of this, but does

anyone know of studies attesting to it? The Russians like to

steep and re-steep until there is no "color" left.



Thanks

Jim

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Sinus headaches

From: diane downs <rdowns@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:10:02 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: diane downs <rdowns@ix.netcom.com>



They don't want to go away.  Please help me.



My husband continually suffers off and on from sinus

headaches but

refuses to see Dr.  Could anyone please send useful

information on how

to help him. Have been told to give him nettle but an

unsure of dosage

or side affects.



Thank You, Trish.









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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Sinus headaches

From: WANAKEEH@aol.com

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:04:42 EST

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Despite the controversy surrounding MaHuang, it is excellent in helping me to

get rid of sinus headaches.  The Chinese have used it forever, however, if

overused, it can be dangerous and sometimes fatal. 

Also, stinging nettle and myrrh are helpful in helping to diffuse sinus

troubles before they start. Moist heat, or steam is most beneficial.



Kee



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> My husband continually suffers off and on from sinus

>  headaches but

>  refuses to see Dr.  Could anyone please send useful

>  information on how

>  to help him. Have been told to give him nettle but an

>  unsure of dosage

>  or side affects.

>  

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Sinus headaches

From: S Casey <seancc@primenet.com>

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:28:19 -0700 (MST)

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I would agree that nettles are beneficial for sinus problems.  I am not

aware of any side effects or dosage limitations.  I use them to treat

hay fever symptoms, and will take 2 caps 4 times a day at the peak of the

season.  They are drying, but that's what is wanted.  I just drink more

water.



Note that if the sinus discomfort can be relieved, there is no need for

pain-killers for the headache.



> In a message dated 2/21/99 8:08:46 PM EST, rdowns@ix.netcom.com writes:

> 

> > My husband continually suffers off and on from sinus

> >  headaches but

> >  refuses to see Dr.  Could anyone please send useful

> >  information on how

> >  to help him. Have been told to give him nettle but an

> >  unsure of dosage

> >  or side affects.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Sinus headaches

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:43:45 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>



> Moist heat, or steam is most beneficial.

 

It's been a while, but the subject of Neti pots (sinus cleaning by a

saline or herbal solution run through the sinuses through the nose) was

a popular one last year.  You can use a turkey baster, baby's snot

sucker (for lack of better terminology, I don't have kids) or even a

neti pot itself (looks like a tea pot with extra long spout, single

serving).



It sounds gross, but honestly, it does help.



I don't recommend Ma Huang (Ephedra) for conditions accompanying tight

chest and bronchitis.  Can make heart palpitate.  (like certain

decongestants)



In a tea with white sage (Salvia apiana) it will help break up

congestion.



free breathing.....

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Sinus headaches

From: FJBCIII@aol.com

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:31:06 EST

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i recommend using a product called grapefruit seed extract that you can buy

from most health food stores or go to web site of nutribiotic

( not to be confused with grape seed )



It is in nasal spray form and it helps my sinuses clear when i use it for that

purpose 



 there is no over dosage and it is also in tablet form for those suffering

from candidas to help rid the body of that aweful albicans 

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Re: herbinfo-digest V98 #366

From: "John Batt" <johnbatt@wavecom.net>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:41:08 -0700

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "John Batt" <johnbatt@wavecom.net>



-----Original Message-----

>

>Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:21:26 -0500

>From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

>Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Need Sleep Aid

>

>

>

>it's been real slow.

>Snowed here yesterday and I'm trying to shed this cold I've had since

>Thanksgiving.  (comes and goes!!!)  Echinacea, zinc, C, you name it

and

>it ain't going!!! even did a round of zithromycin (new antibiotic)

and

>it's just stubborn.  I'm thinking that I possibly have an allergy to

>Jasmine pollen as the silly tree is in full bloom once again.

(Jasminum

>officinalis, 6' tall in the house)

>

>woodwitch of LorinGuild Apothecary

>*all standard disclaimers apply

>





Since a cold is caused by a viral infection then an antibiotic

wouldn't work as they are used primarily for bacterial infections.  If

it's hung on since Turkey day then it's entirely possible that you

have an allergy. or a really stubborn cold in which case you need to

keep on with what you are doing.



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Subject: [HerbInfo] allergies and house cleaning

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:04:23 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>



> Since a cold is caused by a viral infection then an antibiotic

> wouldn't work as they are used primarily for bacterial infections. 



Yep, a cold only lasts 7 days MAX.  The antibiotics are for secondary

infections that occur (sinus, bronchitis)  Apparently one round of

zithromax (new stuff) in Jan didn't do the job.  I wouldn't be concerned

but asthma is a killer, besides, I work in retail now, not fun to cough

and blow nose in front of customers.  :)  



back history, since there are so many new people.

I worked in the medical field most of my life, 8 years in Genetics.  I

am cetified EMT and have been practicing herbal medicines and remedials

seriously for the last 10 years.  I also grow my owm.



I did find out before leaving the hospital (environmental exposures)

that I had allergies to mold and mildew (who doesn't in NC?, the worst

state for them)  On the other hand I am Feng Shuiing my house and have

found that surroundings affect one's immediate health as well.  (good

reason NOT to clutter)



Everything is interconnected.

thank you for your input and concern as I drink my daily dose of Raw

honey and Apple cider vinegar to improve the colon to fight the

allergies.  I really would hate to get rid of this Jasmine, it is

absolutely beautiful.   ;-]



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Subject: [HerbInfo] 1. Iridology, and  2. Hair Analysis

From: Ron Clibborn-Dyer <roncd@asiaonline.net>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:25:58 +0800 (HKT)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Ron Clibborn-Dyer <roncd@asiaonline.net>



Do any of the Herb List members have any knowledge or experience in either

Iridology or Hair Analysis to determine what natural elements are missing 

from the body and hence what changes can be made to diet/way of life 

to improve health.

Ron in Hong Kong



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] 1. Iridology, and  2. Hair Analysis

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:25:59 +0000

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>



Hi Ron,



I think both are good diagnostic tools.  I have had both used on me a

bit by a naturopath years ago.  And I have an acquaintance who has also

used iridology.  Like any and all medical techniques, you must be sure

your practitioner is good.



Patt





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Subject: [HerbInfo] New member, sinus problems

From: "Stacy Canez" <stardancer80@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:31:14 PST

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Stacy Canez" <stardancer80@hotmail.com>



Hi, everyone!



I'm new to the list--my name is Stacy and so far what I've read has been 

very interesting. It's nice to know I'm not the only so-called "strange" 

person out here who prefers herbs to chemicals. What little I know has 

been learned from my Lakota grandfather, and I'm interested in learning 

more.



My first problem is this...I live with my adoptive brother, and he has 

really bad sinus problems. He's allergic to almost everything I can 

think of that causes allergies, and he has very narrow nasal passages on 

top of the fact that his nose is slightly crooked. His mom wanted him to 

have an operation so he could breathe through his nose, but he said no, 

why bother, he's always had the problem since childhood so he's used to 

it. But as a result he always sounds like he has a cold, always stuffed 

up, and sinus headaches are constant. I know it would be treating 

symptoms rather than the problem itself, but what herbs would make it 

easier on him?



Also, if anyone lives in the Tucson, AZ area, could you tell me where to 

go to find herbs? If I were stll in NY I'd know, but I don't know

what grows in this area or what I can just buy around here.



Stacy



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] New member, sinus problems

From: Mvscapo@aol.com

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:01:13 EST

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Stacy,

Your brother may need to see a doctor for the symptoms you have described.  I

too had the exact same problems with my nose and sinuses.  I had too much

septum in my nose (which was causing it to be crooked) and was blocking the

breathing passages in my nose.  I too sounded like I constantly had a cold and

had unbearable sinus problems.



They ended up operating on my nose and cut the septum, which when pulled

straight, opened the passages and straightened my nose to boot!  



Just a thought...



Mvscapo  :o) 

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Re: herbinfo-digest, sinus headaches

From: "Bob Woolery, DC" <bwool@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:28:34 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Bob Woolery, DC" <bwool@ix.netcom.com>



A teaspoon of salt (NaCl) in a pint of good water (no chlorine) makes a

fine irrigation solution. Either snuff it up each nostril from a

teaspoon, or if really plugged, hang your head backward over the edge of

a bench or bed, and have a helper either spoon or drop from a straw into

the upturned nostrils. Two benefits: rinses pollens, dust, etc out, and

also softens mucus plugs that often obstruct the openings from the

sinuses into the nose.

  Works for us.   Bob







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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re: 1. Iridology, and  2. Hair Analysis

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:34:39 +0000

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>



Ron,



I didn't have a lot of choice in my area about practitioners.  The only

reference I had was my local health food stores, co-op, & people I

talked to at those places.  Then, your own gut feeling.  And yes, I am

certain that it saved my life.  I was one really sick puppy & altho I

will never be 100 %, I at least am still around, still learning!



Incidently, I do think the gut feeling part is the most important of

all.



Good luck,



Patt





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re: 1. Iridology, and  2. Hair Analysis

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:23:07 -0500

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Ron,

irridology is a good diagnostic tool, I'm not so sure about hair

analysis, it is just now coming around, but with so many chemicals we

put into our hair.....



there is a place in SW USA that does testing by blood and urine and

gives the result of necessary vitamins and minerals.  They have started

using this for children born with genetic defects (down syndrome

especially) and it has helped immensely.



woodwitch of LorinGuild Apothecary

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re: 1. Iridology, and  2. Hair Analysis

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:51:17 +0000

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Woodwitch wrote:



<<hair

analysis, it is just now coming around, but with so many chemicals we

put into our hair.....>>



As I understand it, the theory behind hair analysis is that because it

grows so fast, it is a good barometer of the state of the body.  One of

the reasons they take the sample for testing really close to the scalp.

It has nothing to do with what you put on it topically.  Just a bit of

info.







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Subject: [HerbInfo] Aluminium in 'AntAcid' tablets

From: Ron Clibborn-Dyer <roncd@asiaonline.net>

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:29:37 +0800 (HKT)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Ron Clibborn-Dyer <roncd@asiaonline.net>



Recently there has been a Hair Analysis experiment conducted by a Newspaper

in Hong Kong on a sample selection of the population to check on pollutants.

The Company that did the diagnostics was "Mineralysis" & "Trace Elements Inc"

based in Dallas, Texas. 



One of the outcomes indicated that the high quantity of trace aluminium 

found in the hair of one person may be from the widely marketed 'AntAcid' 

tablets taken for indigestion.



Can anyone recommend a suitable replacement AntAcid that does not contain

traces of Aluminium.



Alternative treatments for indigestion would also be appreciated.



Ron in Hong Kong

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Aluminium in 'AntAcid' tablets

From: "Gail Smith-Sofsky" <dragons2@dragonrock.com>

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:56:28 -0500

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You might want to try a course of slippery elm bark powder.  a teaspoon in

a glass of milk and put into a blender tastes like a malted milk shake.  It

can be put in any liquid but I prefer the blender or it just gets lumpy and

yucky to swallow if you just try to stir it in.  When I had severe

indigestion (I was to the point of being on prescription drugs ie: Tagmet) 

 I took it 3x a day...its said it's even has been known to cure bleeding

ulcers that way.  It certainly worked for me!!

Gail

my comments are strictly educational,  please seek out your health care

professional





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> Posted To HerbInfo By: Ron Clibborn-Dyer <roncd@asiaonline.net>

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> 

In

> Can anyone recommend a suitable replacement AntAcid that does not contain

> traces of Aluminium.

> 

> Alternative treatments for indigestion would also be appreciated.

> 

> Ron in Hong Kong

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Aluminium in 'AntAcid' tablets

From: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:25:43 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: catskin <woodwitch@prodigy.net>



> Alternative treatments for indigestion would also be appreciated.



peppermint candies are what I use.

also Jaggermeister (german liquor) is an herbal liquour made from 57

different herbs.  It is used medicinally (tell that to the college

crowd) for bloating, indigestion, and over eating.  It works for me. 

Just a shot or two.



If you are having constant indigestion, it may be acid reflux. 

Acidopholus replacement helps a lot.

Also, try changing the diet and the times you eat.

:)



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Aluminium in 'AntAcid' tablets

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:05:13 EST

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Peppermint works for those who don't have a problem with acid stomach, or

reflux.Peppermint increases the acid in the stomach. Slippery elm is good for

GERD or reflux. 



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Herbs for Antacids

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:38:45 EST

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In a message dated 2/25/99 7:37:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

roncd@asiaonline.net writes:



<< Can anyone recommend a suitable replacement AntAcid that does not contain

 traces of Aluminium.

 

 Alternative treatments for indigestion would also be appreciated. >>



For indigestion soda pop works well for kids. We like and use Hylands

homeopathic tablets for indigestion (my favorite, since they go under the

tongue, I don't have to chew or swallow anything) and off course peppermint.

For an antacid, try dandelion, fennel, slippery elm, Irish moss and Kelp.

goodluck,

denise 

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Subject: [HerbInfo] 1. Iridology, and  2. Hair Analysis 3. Aluminium in 'AntAcid'

  tablets

From: Ron Clibborn-Dyer <roncd@asiaonline.net>

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 00:19:18 +0800 (HKT)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Ron Clibborn-Dyer <roncd@asiaonline.net>



Thanks to everyone for all the helpful advice.  



I will pass on the herbal remedies to the guy with indigestion. [It's not me]



I used to be a sufferer, [hiatus hernia also], but change of lifestyle after 

retirement - Active daily outdoor life - No Stress and mostly natural

foodstuffs 

has put an end to all that painful nonsense.



Now all I need is for one of our South African subscribers to let me know of a

Capetown practitioner of iridology and or hair analysis.



Best wishes, Ron, at the Temple of Hidden Peace and Tranquillity in Hong Kong



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Herb Spirals

From: Ron Clibborn-Dyer <roncd@asiaonline.net>

Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:42:21 +0800 (HKT)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Ron Clibborn-Dyer <roncd@asiaonline.net>



We have had a raised herb spiral for the past three years. 

The herbs that like dry soil go in at the top whilst those 

that like more water go in towards the bottom.  

Built by volunteer students from the United World College 

on a Project Week Stay.  

We have a small round pond at the bottom of the spiral. 

We have put on a spray nozzle on a spike at the top with 

remote tap to water it all once in a while.  The water drains 

down the spiral.  We leave out herbs that would smother the others, 

like Basil, Colombian sage [Pineapple sage] and mint. 

These we either grow in separate recycled car tyres in an area for 

'retired' gardening, or they have a special spot in the garden which 

is best suited to them.  We haven't yet found a lavender and a thyme

which is really suited to our very humid summer [wet season] weather.

Suggestions Welcome.  

Stepping stones recommended so as to reach all part of the spiral 

without crushing precious herbs.

If we were to do it again, I think we would go for Charles Barber's

Mandala-shaped [round] beds, with a raised centre reached by access 

stepping stones arranged like the spokes of a wheel.  

If space was lacking - semi-circles would still do, but then so would 

beds alongside pathways where you would constanly brush against the herbs

bringing out the fragrance.

At Kirstenbosch Botanical gardens in Capetown, I was very much taken by 

their raised herb beds beside a flat path suitable for wheel chairs.  

There is a rail to guide the blind, and as you feel the herbs and get 

the fragrance, you find labels along the rail in a variety of languages 

including brail.  Now that's holistic herbals for you!

Ron in Hong Kong - struggling for water in very dry winter.

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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:07:28 +0000

From: Roy Meddings <Roy@farm3.demon.co.uk>

Subject: Re: Herb Spirals

John Marshall <John@marshall01.demon.co.uk> writes:

>Has anyone tried this idea?  

For what it's worth, My wife says that large herbs would swamp small

herbs, so! it would have to be a _Large_ mound and, most herbs like a

moist situation and mounds do dry-out.

good luck, oh! she has not tried it by the way ]

Roy Meddings, Herefordshire,UK.

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Herb Spirals

From: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@prodigy.net>

Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 00:09:44 -0500

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> a thyme

> which is really suited to our very humid summer



silver thyme or mother of thyme (Thymus spp) would work if well drained.

both of these are ground covers so would fill the spaces of long talls,

around the rosemary.  :)



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Licorice Root

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:26:54 EST

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I remember about a year ago someone sent some info on licorice root in

relationship to it's hormonal qualities in regards to a man even growing

breasts! :) I would like to know if that info is still available, as well as

any other info on this herb, including it's natural cortizone properties and

how much one must take? TIA



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Subject: [HerbInfo] pep up your plants

From: WANAKEEH@aol.com

Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:56:01 EST

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I found this tip relevant to this list. I hope it helps my flax this year! : )



Kee



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

TIP O' THE DAY

Spoonful for plants

Castor oil or cod liver oil is a good way to make puny, 

drooping plants perk up again. Put half a teaspoon on the 

earth around the bottom of the stalk to let the oil feed the 

roots of the plant. Results can be seen within several hours. 



Watch for the "Tip of the Day," "Daily Bullet," and 

"World News Daily," when you visit Natural Land at  .    .    .

     "http://www.naturalland.com"

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Subject: Re:  [HerbInfo] pep up your plants

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:13:35 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>





Have you tried this?

I always understood that oil of any type was toxic to plants as it clogged

the root pores...and toxic to compost piles, too...

Joanie



>TIP O' THE DAY

>Spoonful for plants

>Castor oil or cod liver oil is a good way to make puny,

>drooping plants perk up again. Put half a teaspoon on the

>earth around the bottom of the stalk to let the oil feed the

>roots of the plant. Results can be seen within several hours.

>



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Herb Garden on collapsed wall site

From: Ron Clibborn-Dyer <roncd@asiaonline.net>

Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:35:54 +0800 (HKT)

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After a great deal of discussion on the organic List on retaining walls and 

ugly banks, I have the following to report which may be of interest to this

List whilst it is so quiet:

Veronica [my wife] and Roger [the garden helper] have been attacking the

bank where the retaining wall collapsed in a rainstorm on 18th February 1998

"right before my very eyes".  Having sought and received all manner of

advice on how 

to spend a fortune to fix it.  We have decided that as it hasn't moved since 

the wall collapsed, then the wall should never have been there in the first

place.  It was clearly never built as a retaining wall anyway as the

strongest [and heaviest] part of it proved to be the top ledge which held

all our herb plant pots [before the crash] and this re-inforced concrete

ledge came down in one piece whereas the wall disintegrated into its

original component parts of 

bricks and large granite stones.  We have been gaily calling it a rockery 

ever since then, but now Veronica has been inspired by a visit to the garden 

of 'Wild Slopes' on Lantau Island where most of the front garden consists of

a jumble of natural stone boulders down a steep hillside with steps going

every which way between, around and over the rocks with little pockets of

greenery 

and a confusion of colourful flowers in between the rocks.  Our wild rockery

full of weeds and sweet potato vine has now begun to be transformed in

similar fashion as the large stones are being re-arranged where they fell on

the slope to make a wonderful steep slope rockery garden with natural stone

staircase winding down to the two Lychee trees at the base.  It is plain to

see now that that wall should never have been there in the first place.

It clearly interrupted the forces of nature in the form of the Yang line

that passes through the centre of the main temple altar and [these lay

lines] need

a clear unobstructed path across the valley to the hills across the water.  

I spent a little time down there with them cutting the reinforcing bars of

the now fallen top ledge so that we can haul the pieces away to use as bench

seats around the garden, or in-situ for those too heavy to shift. It is

looking wonderful already.  We intend to fill all the earth pockets with

colourful and fragrant herbs which tolerate long hot and humid summers and

gentle cool short winters.  Any donations of seeds or suggestions would be

welcome.  

Best wishes to all,  Ron & Veronica in Hong Kong, China.

[PO Box 600 Tai Po Post Office Hong Kong]



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Subject: [HerbInfo] CD-Rom

From: Brenda R <brunions@inetone.net>

Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 20:08:05 -0500

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I have been looking for a good plant encyclopedia that has the

pronunciation of the names. (Like the American Heritage Talking

Dictionary)  If any one knows of one, please let me know.



Brenda



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] CD-Rom

From: Darrell & Evonne Benedict <benedict@seanet.com>

Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 18:55:42 -0800

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At 08:08 PM 3/5/99 -0500, you wrote:

>

>Posted To HerbInfo By: Brenda R <brunions@inetone.net>

>

>I have been looking for a good plant encyclopedia that has the

>pronunciation of the names. (Like the American Heritage Talking

>Dictionary)  If any one knows of one, please let me know.

>

>Brenda

>

>

I have the Sunset Western Garden CD-rom.  It has the pronouncer, and pretty

good photos.. 

check out http://www.sunsetmagazine.com/Books/BooksFrame.html

go to cd-roms, then the western garden one!  I ordered mine by phone, the

number is on the web site.



Evonne (outside Seattle)





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] pep up your plants/Works great!

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:55:19 EST

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In a message dated 3/5/99 1:57:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, WANAKEEH@aol.com

writes:



<< Spoonful for plants Castor oil or cod liver oil is a good way to make puny,

 drooping plants perk up again. >>



Kee,

I tried this on a very old, root bound, droopy Christmas Cactus I have in the

house. It worked great! I did see results within a few hours. Great tip! (I

used castor oil)

tc,

denise

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Question?

From: SSchuy2011@aol.com

Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:56:15 EST

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Hi all,

I have not been active on the list for quite a while, but now I would

appreciate some advice.  



My mom has been trying to get her cholesterol under control for a few months

now and is not having any luck, in fact, it has gone up a bit.  I am aware of

some of the herbs that are helpful in controling cholesterol, but I would like

to know of some combinations that really would help quickly.  Does anyone have

any good advise?



I would appreciate any help.



TIA,

Sydney 

sschuy2011@aol.com

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Question?

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:28:57 EST

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In a message dated 3/6/99 9:57:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, SSchuy2011@aol.com

writes:



<< 

 Hi all,

 I have not been active on the list for quite a while, but now I would

 appreciate some advice.  

 

 My mom has been trying to get her cholesterol under control for a few months

 now and is not having any luck, in fact, it has gone up a bit.  I am aware of

 some of the herbs that are helpful in controling cholesterol, but I would

like

 to know of some combinations that really would help quickly.  Does anyone

have

 any good advise?

 

 I would appreciate any help.

  >>

Garlic is great for doing this, but ya may not have many freinds. :) So there

are others. Eating oatmeal helps. Herbs are Fenugreek (lipotropic) , chickweed

(plaque resisting), Ginseng (reduces blood cholesterol). 



<3

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Here's a tricky one for ya. :)

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:03:53 EST

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I came down with something that I have no idea what it is. At first I thought

it was a boil because it reacted like one, having puss, forming a head and

that part of my leg swelled up and got red. I took detox tea and ate garlic.

The boil part (or pus) went away, but the itch didn't. Oh does it itch! I

thought, OK, maybe this is posion ivy (that is how it feels), but in tihs

weather??? So, I bathed with brown lava soap and I put on aloe fresh from my

plant, which helped a little. But it is spreading all over my body and so far

all I can come up with is symptomatic relief and even that is insufficinet. I

have tried oatmeal, rosemary essential oil, calamine lotion, even surrendered

to cortizone cream. If anyone has any idea what this is, or even if you don't

know what it is but have an idea in general on what might help, please let me

know!! 



<3

Pari 

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From: WANAKEEH@aol.com

Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:22:28 EST

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You need to see a doctor to find out what it is that you have, then look for

methods of treating it. The skin can show signs of inward problems like

allergies, kidney problems, etc. See a doctor and keep us posted.



Kee



In a message dated 3/6/99 4:05:56 PM EST, Parijata2@aol.com writes:



> I came down with something that I have no idea what it is. At first I

thought

>  it was a boil because it reacted like one, having puss, forming a head and

>  that part of my leg swelled up and got red. I took detox tea and ate

garlic.

>  The boil part (or pus) went away, but the itch didn't. Oh does it itch! I

>  thought, OK, maybe this is posion ivy (that is how it feels), but in tihs

>  weather??? So, I bathed with brown lava soap and I put on aloe fresh from

my

>  plant, which helped a little. But it is spreading all over my body and so 

> far

>  all I can come up with is symptomatic relief and even that is insufficinet.

> I

>  have tried oatmeal, rosemary essential oil, calamine lotion, even 

> surrendered

>  to cortizone cream. If anyone has any idea what this is, or even if you

don'

> t

>  know what it is but have an idea in general on what might help, please let 

> me

>  know!! 

>  

>  <3

>  Pari 

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Here's a tricky one for ya. :)

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:24:55 -0500

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I agree - consult a doctor. But a good sea salt bath might be in order for

several days. It might not solve the problem, but might prevent infection.



Susan H.



> You need to see a doctor to find out what it is that you have, then look

for

> methods of treating it. The skin can show signs of inward problems like

> allergies, kidney problems, etc. See a doctor and keep us posted.





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From: Tsugu/karyn <tfkg@pacbell.net>

Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 14:40:55 -0800

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have you considered poison oak?  I got it last year this time from a stray dog I

rescued.  I had never had it before, being from the east, but I had the same

reaction you are describing.  Are you in an area that has it?  Hope it gets

better soon - mine spread for about a week then finally began to subside.  The

rash was like thick red welts everywhere, and itched miserably.

Karyn in CA



Parijata2@aol.com wrote:



> The boil part (or pus) went away, but the itch didn't. Oh does it itch! I

> thought, OK, maybe this is posion ivy (that is how it feels), but in tihs

> weather???



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From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:07:55 EST

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Regarding those telling me to go to a doctor, I already know that. I live in

the woods and my husband is trucking and won't be home for a couple of more

days.



>>have you considered poison oak?  I got it last year this time from a stray

dog I

rescued.  I had never had it before, being from the east, but I had the same

reaction you are describing.  Are you in an area that has it?  Hope it gets

better soon - mine spread for about a week then finally began to subside.  The

rash was like thick red welts everywhere, and itched miserably.

Karyn in CA<<



That's a possibility and yes, we do have posion oak in this area. Big time. I

spoke to someone who also suggested it could be some type of parasite? 



<3

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From: WANAKEEH@aol.com

Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:30:57 EST

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For itching...





Apple cider vinegar, all over helps neutralize insect bites and poison

ivy/oak. You may want to give that a try after a sea salt bath : )



Kee



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From: AMChismar@aol.com

Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:32:21 EST

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In a message dated 3/6/99 9:22:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, rlcz@netdoor.com

writes:



<<  with brown lava soap and I put on aloe fresh from my

 > plant, which helped a little. But it is spreading all over my body and so

far

 > all I can come up with is symptomatic relief and even that is insufficinet.

I

 > have tried oatmeal, rose >>



Any chance is could be from a spider bite, and yes, i would see a doctor.

You take care of yourself!

Huggers

Annamaria

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:39:36 EST

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it sounds like a spider bite 

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Boils and itchy skin

From: Margaret Wallace <walmus@texas.net>

Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:14:48 -0500

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I would consider a Benadryl or two as the anti-histamines can reduce the

swelling and itching.



Margaret 



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Boils and itchy skin

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:24:53 -0500

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Good, good idea - nettles might do this naturally if traditional makes you

feel bad (does me).



Susan H.

 I would consider a Benadryl or two as the anti-histamines can reduce the

> swelling and itching.

>





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Subject: [HerbInfo] Pain Management, help needed

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:01:08 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)



Had surgery for scoliosis 17 years ago, need help with pain management as

pain keeps getting worse as years go by, and radiates from the spine--I

suspect pinched nerves, slow circulation, and the ever present muscle

spasms.



Doctors no help, pain meds just knock me out. Need to find a way to remain

active so I can tend my herb garden this year.



Have considered trying magnets, Has anyone used these with metal rods in

place? My spine is fused from L3 to T4, no kidding, and I have two

Harrington Rods in place. Was wondering how the magnets would act with all

that steel in there.



Any help and advice appreciated.

Karen Shelton

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From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 09:36:14 +0000

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Karen wrote:



<<Had surgery for scoliosis 17 years ago, need help with pain management

as

pain keeps getting worse as years go by, and radiates from the spine--I

suspect pinched nerves, slow circulation, and the ever present muscle

spasms.>>



And here I go again.  



Pain: acupuncture.  Really helps



Muscle spasms:  (Quick, cheap help) Mag Phos (a homeopathic remedy from

Health Food Store.  Instructions on the bottle.  Also be sure you get

enough calcium (with magnesium & vit D)



Others will give you better herb tips than I can.



I have no experience with magnets but have a friend who swears they are

great.



Patt



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From: "LauraLee" <lauralee@gte.net>

Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:23:38 -0500

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I just spoke to my traditional doc last week about using biomagnetic therapy

when metal pins are present!! He said it poses no problem, unless of course

the patient has a pacemaker ;-)



My 5 year old son has cerebral palsy and we began using a magnetic mattress

a week ago. There's been a NOTICEABLE difference in his range of motion and

comfort ;-)



LauraLee



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Subject: [HerbInfo] tintures

From: "Toney Edwards" <toney@cybersouth.com>

Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:20:14 -0500

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I am having a problem with tinctures. I used the 4ounces of herbs to 1 pint

of vodka but I didn't think it had enough liquid, the herbs were barely

moist. I ended up adding 2 more pints of the vodka before the liquid covered

the herbs. The 4 ounces of herbs is by weight isn't it? I can't figure out

why it took so much liquid. Will this make the tincture weaker due to more

liquid and will I need to adjust the dosage in pproportion  TIA -- toney

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From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:08:25 GMT

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Posted To HerbInfo By: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)



On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:20:14 -0500, "Toney Edwards" <toney@cybersouth.com> wrote

to <herbinfo@alist4u.net>:



>I am having a problem with tinctures. I used the 4ounces of herbs to 1 pint

>of vodka but I didn't think it had enough liquid, the herbs were barely

>moist. I ended up adding 2 more pints of the vodka before the liquid covered

>the herbs. The 4 ounces of herbs is by weight isn't it? I can't figure out

>why it took so much liquid. Will this make the tincture weaker due to more

>liquid and will I need to adjust the dosage in pproportion  TIA -- toney

>edwards



I'm assuming it's dried, as 1:4 (to 1:6) of a 40 % tinct (vodka is usually

around that, here) wouldn't make sense if it were fresh.



So, which plant, and which part of it are you trying to tincture? Is it whole?

Cut and sifted? Powdered? 



Henriette



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From: "Toney Edwards" <toney@cybersouth.com>

Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:55:39 -0500

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The tincture recipe calls for 4 parts bugleweed, 2 parts motherwort, 2 parts

skullcap, and 1 part hawthorn. To make this into a 4 oz. to 1 pint alcohol I

used 1 ounce bugleweed, 1 ounce motherwort, and skullcap each and 1/2 ounce

of hawthorn. I know this put me over the 4 ounces by 1/2 an ounce but I

didn't think this would be a problem. The herbs are dried, as to which part

of the herb - the recipe did not specify except it did list the latin names

so I was able to know to order the Hawthorn leaf and not the berries. This

is a tincture for an overactive thyroid - Hyper thyroidism - Graves disease.

toney edwards



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Here's a tricky one / Yeast?

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:15:46 EST

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In a message dated 3/6/99 4:05:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Parijata2@aol.com

writes:



<< I came down with something that I have no idea what it is. At first I

thought

 it was a boil because it reacted like one, having puss, forming a head and

 that part of my leg swelled up and got red. >>



Pari,

WOW, you are describing the exact symptoms that made me finally, after 2

months, go to the dermatologist. I'd never had anything like this before. I

treated myself internally and externally for fungus, eczema and boils with no

luck. Zinc oint.me a little relief. The rash would get a bit better and then

worse again. It turned out to be yeast / fungus. She gave me a Rx lotion,

knocked it right out. Really irritated me, I did my research, used all the

common and not so common treatments and still ended up at the Dr. The Dr. did

say, although it appeared to be a nasty rash, it did look as if it was trying

to heal.

Don't feel bad I tried cortisone also, didn't help a bit. When you itch like

crazy you'll do almost anything!

good luck!

denise 

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] pep up your plants/Works great!/Why?

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:39:53 EST

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In a message dated 3/6/99 10:34:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, paf@connix.com

writes:



<< Do you know what properties castor and cod liver oil possess that benefit

 the plants?

 tia, Anita >>



Sorry, I have no idea. (would be easy enough to find out) I do know that my

grandmother used to give everyone or anyone who would stand still long enough

a dose of either. If I remember correctly...as a general tonic, fortifier and

to keep you "regular".<BG> Anyone who wasn't "regular", wasn't healthy. Never,

ever act cranky around Granny either ... to her it was another indication you

were not "regular" ... and time for another dose!

take care,

denise

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] pep up your plants/Works great!/Why?

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 10:03:59 +0000

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Denise wrote:



<<snip> If I remember correctly...as a general tonic, fortifier and

to keep you "regular".<BG> Anyone who wasn't "regular", wasn't healthy.

Never,

ever act cranky around Granny either ... to her it was another

indication you>>snip



Another bit of that sort of thing.  I read somewhere that one of the

reasons our ancestors were not low on magnesium, as we supposedly all

are, is because most also got "a dose of salts" every spring for the

same reasons.  Epsom salts is mag & in larger doses really does the

job.  Those old grannies knew a lot of stuff!



Edgar Cayce touted  castor oil for many, many things.  Wrote a whole

booklet about it and it's many applications.



Patt

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Subject: [HerbInfo] A cry for help

From: pauline story <paulinestory@yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:49:01 -0800 (PST)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: pauline story <paulinestory@yahoo.com>



Hello lovely people of this list,

I am reaching out to you as I have a dear friend with whom I currently

live who is falling back into severe depression.  As this list is

fairly annonymous I feel I can be more honest with you.  She is 19 and

has previously suffered from manic depression from 17-18.  During this

time of her life the question of whether to even bother continiung

with this life loomed large.  I must admit I have come to you without

really trying to research much myself at present, so I hope you can

forgive my laziness.  

 At the moment I try to relieve her with Shiatsu massage.  However I

am only in my third week of learning.  The interesting issue in this

case is that her depression is active not reactive.  Meaning that her

upbringing or previous events aren't (supposedly, this is what her

psycologist suggests) the cause of her current depression.



I really hope some of you will have had experience with something

related to this as it is so heart breaking to see such a beautiful

soul just flounder this way.



Hope to hear from you soon





Stay Gold

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From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 15:59:30 +0000

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>



Pauline,



Sounds serious & I certainly understand your need for immediate help. 

You will get better herb stuff here than I can give but my old standby,

acupuncture is helpful here too.  Have been a few times when I have had

to ask for it.  Also a couple when my acupuncturist said "Hey, you have

reason just now, let it work itself out".  Yes, my chinese/Dr. acup gal

is great!



You might try it as an immediate band-aid while you also wait for more

info, or for it to have time to work......



Patt

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] A cry for help

From: WANAKEEH@aol.com

Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:52:01 EST

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There are some general nutritional things that can help depression. 

Colloidal minerals contain all minerals, including lithium, which can be

useful in treating manic depression. Also B complex vitamins may be helpful. 



Do you have a juicer? Fresh juice daily will give live enzymes that may be

helpful as well.  I hope this helps.



Kee 

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paulinestory@yahoo.com writes:



> I am reaching out to you as I have a dear friend with whom I currently

>  live who is falling back into severe depression.

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] A cry for help

From: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>

Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:19:48 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>



Hello everyone.

I am a survivor of depression, panic and anxiety. There are herbal remedies

for depression, and many other treatments for depression. However, what

needs to be done is get to the root of the problem. We can sugar coat the

symptoms, but its so important to get to the problem, and deal with that,

and then the person soon will not have to rely on medications, herbal or

otherwise, to feel better again! Depression is an ugly thing to have to go

through....what the person needs is HOPE!!!

I am not a therapist, I only know what I went through, and how I came out of

it.

Drugs, herbs, therapy, acupuncture, massage, all can help.......but if its

not dealt with at the root, it recurs.

Just my two cents worth.

Sincerely

Sheila

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] A cry for help

From: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>

Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:29:58 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>



St. Johns wort is ok for short term usage, long term usage leads to more

depression, and in some cases sterility. Valerian root is good to take to

get some immediate relief, but dont use it with anti-depressants, same with

St. Johns wort, and definately dont take any of these if you are on any type

of asthma medication!....and so on. Kava Kava can be deadly to your

liver.....especially if you are taking alot of it....!! I have checked this

out on various web sites on herbs.

put the herb in question in webcrawler..it will bring up many sites on it.

Just a thought.

Sheila

life101@sterlink.net



>St. John's Wort works for mild to medium depression. It also takes time to

>kick in as it must build up in the system, which takes 4-6 weeks. A good

idea

>is to combine it with kava kava or some other relaxing herb that will bring

>some immediate relief, allowing time for St Johns Wort to accumulate and do

>it's job. Though I have heard a few people say it helped them upon the

first

>dose. I wonder if this is factual or the placebo effect.





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] A cry for help

From: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>

Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:20:39 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>



Ok...

here is the site where I found the information on Kava Kava....go down a few

paragraphs and it gets into long term affects of this herb....

http://www.kcweb.com/herb/kavakava.htm

I will also find the one about St. Johns wort...will also give you the site

itself and you can click on any of the herbs, and it will give you the same

information it gave me.

http://www.kcweb.com/herb/herbmain.htm

Hope this helps you find your way!!!

Sincerely

Sheila



>Posted To HerbInfo By: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

>

>=====I'd like to see your documentation. Thanks - don't know about St.

>John's Wort, but my sources claim Kava Kava is safe, even long term.

>

>Susan





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From: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:00:17 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>



Hi to all,

There are so many variations of manic depression. Its also called bi-polar

disorder. Regardless.....no one wants to be classified as "mental". Its

treatable. Usually with Lithium. Most people dont have to be on it too long.

The depressed person wont go for help due to various reasons....they dont

want people thinking they are mental or have a mental illness, and they

usually dont see the problem with the way they are behaving. One can always

suggest they seek help, but its entirely up to them. In severe cases, loved

ones or good friends might need to step in and help.

But ...we cant judge or make a grand assumption, or tell them what to do.

We can only give advice.

Its entirely up to them as to what they want to do with the advice.

Sheila











Posted To HerbInfo By: k9228@webtv.net (Kathy ONEAL)



This is to the person who has a friend about to go into an active MANIC

phase of depression   please please please get your friend to the

nearest county mental health agenncy asap



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From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:39:15 -0500

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===========Sheila, what are you basing this statement on? I've known several

md's and have a bi-polar in my own family - they have all been on medication

for a long time and have never been given any hope of living without it.

Bi-polars are the most serious and hard to treat and most of them search for

the right medication for long periods of time. In fact, many of them

constantly switch as what works for several months suddenly stops working

and the Rx's need adjustments. I'd like to know more about md's and

bi-polars living without drugs successfully.



Susan



Regardless.....no one wants to be classified as "mental". Its

> treatable. Usually with Lithium. Most people dont have to be on it too

long.









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From: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:16:57 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>



HI Susan,

I am a surviver.....and was on lithium for about a year.

Has your family member ever been on lithium?

Sheila





>Posted To HerbInfo By: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

>

>===========Sheila, what are you basing this statement on? I've known

several

>md's and have a bi-polar in my own family - they have all been on

medication

>for a long time and have never been given any hope of living without it.

>Bi-polars are the most serious and hard to treat and most of them search

for

>the right medication for long periods of time. In fact, many of them

>constantly switch as what works for several months suddenly stops working

>and the Rx's need adjustments. I'd like to know more about md's and

>bi-polars living without drugs successfully.

>

>Susan





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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:24:56 -0500

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Sheila, yes, and a number of other meds - but his is severe. He has a son

that's been diagnosed as well, and he too is on drugs - they believe they

will be for a lifetime.



Susan



> I am a surviver.....and was on lithium for about a year.

> Has your family member ever been on lithium?

> Sheila

>

>





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From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 04:50:19 EST

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In a message dated 3/8/99 9:15:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

life101@sterlink.net writes:



<< 

 Hello everyone.

 I am a survivor of depression, panic and anxiety. There are herbal remedies

 for depression, and many other treatments for depression. However, what

 needs to be done is get to the root of the problem. We can sugar coat the

 symptoms, but its so important to get to the problem, and deal with that,

 and then the person soon will not have to rely on medications, herbal or

 otherwise, to feel better again! Depression is an ugly thing to have to go

 through....what the person needs is HOPE!!!

 I am not a therapist, I only know what I went through, and how I came out of

 it.

 Drugs, herbs, therapy, acupuncture, massage, all can help.......but if its

 not dealt with at the root, it recurs.

 Just my two cents worth.

 Sincerely

 Sheila

 life101@sterlink.net

 

  >>

Thank you Shiela! That was a perfect response and you took the word right out

of my mouth. Herbs can be used to help, but they can be misused just likes a

drug such as Prozac, etc., and result in covering up the real issues they need

to address. I suggest this person get into therapy right away. AFTER that,

adding the herbs would be very beneficial. I also have a personal belief that

often such issues are a need to get back in touch with the soul. 



<3

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From: "LauraLee" <lauralee@gte.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:32:41 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "LauraLee" <lauralee@gte.net>



>>I suggest this person get into therapy right away. AFTER that,

adding the herbs would be very beneficial



It was my understanding that this person is already in therapy? I no longer

have the original letter, but didn't it state that the person's psychologist

had determined that the depression is active and not reactive? Is she

currently in therapy? Is she already taking any prescribed medications or

other therapies? I absolutely agree that the underlying issues must be dealt

with to achieve true healing. Herbs, special nutrition, and other therapies

can be used in conjunction to help control symptoms and promote the healing

process.



LauraLee



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From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:18:00 -0600

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Some 'therapists' will do you more harm than good. One sign to look out for is if they seem to have a "Drug of the Month Club" or prescribe medication for symptoms this person doesn't have. Be sure to read inserts on all meds prescribed and ask a lot of questions.  



I suggest being wary of any treatment that seems to focus on prescriptions and doesn't involve talk and behavior therapy; which is needed to help the patient understand how this happened in the first place.



Has St. John's Wort been tried?



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>You may be correct, the person may be in therapy. I lost the letter too.

>However, if the person is currently in therapy and is still feeling THIS

>despondent, I suggest she get a new therapist. 





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From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:32:25 EST

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In a message dated 3/9/99 10:19:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, nature@edge.net

writes:



<< 

 Some 'therapists' will do you more harm than good. One sign to look out for

is if they seem to have a "Drug of the Month Club" or prescribe medication for

symptoms this person doesn't have. Be sure to read inserts on all meds

prescribed and ask a lot of questions.  

 

 I suggest being wary of any treatment that seems to focus on prescriptions

and doesn't involve talk and behavior therapy; which is needed to help the

patient understand how this happened in the first place.

 

 Has St. John's Wort been tried?

  >>

Yes. A talk doctor is better than a drug doctor. Though even some talk doctors

say the wrong things for that person. She shouldn't be afraid to shop around

until she finds a doc that makes her FEEL BETTER about herself. 



St. John's Wort works for mild to medium depression. It also takes time to

kick in as it must build up in the system, which takes 4-6 weeks. A good idea

is to combine it with kava kava or some other relaxing herb that will bring

some immediate relief, allowing time for St Johns Wort to accumulate and do

it's job. Though I have heard a few people say it helped them upon the first

dose. I wonder if this is factual or the placebo effect. 



There are also some precautions to be taken if St Johns Wort is used. Can't be

taken with certain psychotic drugs, avoid sunlight, etc. If you want more,

email me privately. 



<3

Pari 



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From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:14:00 -0500

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=====I'd like to see your documentation. Thanks - don't know about St.

John's Wort, but my sources claim Kava Kava is safe, even long term.



Susan



> Kava Kava, long term use, causes liver damage, same with most of the herbs

> used for anxiety and panic......same with st.Johns wort, that has other

> problems besides liver and kidney ailments, but it also can cause

> sterility...and I have the information on that one too, if anyone wants to

> read that.





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From: k9228@webtv.net (Kathy ONEAL)

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:25:01 -0800 (PST)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: k9228@webtv.net (Kathy ONEAL)



This is to the person who has a friend about to go into an active MANIC

phase of depression   please please please get your friend to the

nearest county mental health agenncy asap ....Your friend has manic

depression it is a chemical imbalance in her brain please at least

consider this.....She needs a psychiatrist not a couselor of lets talk

this out there is nothing to talk about.... your friend cannot help

being a manic depressed person it is not a punishment from god!!!!!!!!!!

please consder taking her to a psychiatrist ASAP

ps HERBS have there place but a little common sense is needed here

Thank you for reading this

please reconsider waitng  for something bad to happen before seeking

professional advice  

Kathy



                                               





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From: k9228@webtv.net (Kathy ONEAL)

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:50:48 -0800 (PST)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: k9228@webtv.net (Kathy ONEAL)



Hi List



I would never presume to diagnose anyone of a desease but if I were ever

told I had a serious illness  such as manic depression , broken leg ,

cancer I would hope my friends at least had the common sense to try to

get me to a PROFESSIONAL DOCTOR WHO DEALT IN MY MALADY 

Thnks forreding this

Kathy  



                                               





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] A cry for help/SJW & Safety

From: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:23:34 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>



So kava kava is then safe to use?

Sheila



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] A cry for help/SJW & Safety

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:53:32 EST

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In a message dated 3/9/99 6:00:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,

life101@sterlink.net writes:



<< Here is another site to check out.....with all medications for depression,

 make sure you read what they say about precautions!!

 http://www.kcweb.com/herb/stjohn.htm >>



Here is some more brief info. on SJW snipped from, "Henriette's Herbal

Homepage"

http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/

Education is using more than one source, then making certain your sources are

accurate. Perhaps when a product is being offered for purchase, the

disclaimers (warnings) are used more for protection than information.

As always do your homework and when in doubt consult your health care

provider.

tc,

denise



The herbFAQs:

 2.1.4.1 St. John's Wort (Hypericum) and MAO inhibition

-----

>>St John's Wort does in fact work like an MAO inhibitor and likewise causes

the same dangerous side-effects.

 

>That's the wrong term. They're not "side effects"; they're food or drug

interactions. But if SJW is an MAO-inhibitor then they're certainly

"dangerous".



From smisch@tiac.net (Samson):



Yes, they would be if SJW really _were_ a MAOI. But it's not. That was a

theory that was floating around for a while without much support, and it has

since been disproven.



See eg.

Thiede HM; Walper A: Inhibition of MAO and COMT by Hypericum extracts and

hypericin. J Geriatr Psychiatry Neurol, 7 Suppl 1:1994 Oct, S54-6 

Bladt S; Wagner H: Inhibition of MAO by fractions and constituents of

Hypericum extract. J Geriatr Psychiatry Neurol, 7 Suppl 1:1994 Oct, S57-9

 

"Using pure hypericin as well as in all ex vivo experiments, no relevant

inhibiting effects could be shown. From the results it can be concluded that

the clinically proven anti-depressive effect of Hypericum extract cannot be

explained in terms of MAO inhibition."

Hypericin does show some MAO-inhibition in vitro at _very_ high

concentrations. At regular human doses, though, virtually nil.

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From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:33:52 -0500

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Sheila, whether it's safe to use would be a personal call for you and your

health care professional. I would not hesitate to take it if I thought I

needed it. My sources do mention problems if taken in high dosages for a

prolonged period of time. But most anything will do harm if abused - reduced

levels of bilirubin is one of the things mentioned - but I haven't

specifically run into the phrase "liver damage."



Northon SA and Ruze P: Kava dermopathy.

Ruze P: Kava-induced dermopathy: A niacin deficiency.

Matthews JD, et al.: Effects of the heavy usage of kava on physical health:

Summary of a pilot survey in an aboriginal community.



Susan

 So kava kava is then safe to use?

> Sheila





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Depression

From: WANAKEEH@aol.com

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:26:08 EST

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Depression can have biological roots -- such as a chemical imbalance. All the

therapy in the world will not correct a chemical imbalance. 

Your body and mind need to be in physical harmony. I suggested NUTRITIONAL

supplements to help ensure the biological aspects are aided with minerals,

enzymes and other nutritional components. 

I believe the original author wrote that her friend IS in therapy and/or has

been there before. Often, simple nutritional supplements can mean the

difference between schizophrenia and reality, etc. Therapy IS important, but I

believe the nutritional needs are most important, for often, a lack of certain

minerals IS the root cause of depression.

As for herbs, anything CAN be abused. But I'd much rather check my depression

with herbs, foods, minerals and vitamins than to hold off on supplements

because they CAN be abused. 

Just my 2 cents worth.



Kee 



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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:39:39 EST

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In a message dated 3/9/99 8:27:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, WANAKEEH@aol.com

writes:



<< 

 Depression can have biological roots -- such as a chemical imbalance. All the

 therapy in the world will not correct a chemical imbalance. 

 Your body and mind need to be in physical harmony. I suggested NUTRITIONAL

 supplements to help ensure the biological aspects are aided with minerals,

 enzymes and other nutritional components. 

 I believe the original author wrote that her friend IS in therapy and/or has

 been there before. Often, simple nutritional supplements can mean the

 difference between schizophrenia and reality, etc. Therapy IS important, but

I

 believe the nutritional needs are most important, for often, a lack of

certain

 minerals IS the root cause of depression.

 As for herbs, anything CAN be abused. But I'd much rather check my depression

 with herbs, foods, minerals and vitamins than to hold off on supplements

 because they CAN be abused. 

 Just my 2 cents worth.

  >>

I totally agree with what you are saying. Something has always run through my

mind on this topic, though it may be a little esoteric. 



I have often wondered if some (not all) that are diagnosed with a physical

chemical imbalance of the brain, if it first started in the mind with alot of

anxiety, which may have released toxins that in turn created the physical

imbalance. Any idea's on this?



<3

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Depression

From: "Jim mettenbrink" <jimsjn@parma.ru>

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:40:45 +0300

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jim mettenbrink" <jimsjn@parma.ru>



 About 12 years ago I suffered clinical depression. I'm not

an expert on depression, although I read a lot about it.

Some of what each of you have written is true. Depression is

almost always caused by allowing a tragic influence, real or

imagined,  effect our spirit which in turn causes the

chemical imbalance in the brain which makes a person feel

worse, which increases the chemical imbalance, making one

feel even worse. It is a snowball roling downhill - giving

one a taste of hell on earth.

        I thought one of my glands had gone wacko. It was

seven weeks before I picked up a book "Happiness is a

Choice," Minnerth & Meyer.  I had all the symptoms. I lost

30 lbs in seven weeks, could not concentrate, would cry

spontaneously, was always tired, but could not sleep and was

never hungry.  I would lie down at night and ask God to let

me die.  I had lost all purpose in life. It was as if I was

in a deep pit and saw the way out but could not get out.  It

was the ultimate hopelessness. I was dying.

    After reading the book, I began running every night to

begin to change the chemical balance. It took 15 months and

some lifestyle changes to help me. The year before I took a

65% pay cut to return to the U. I spent one day in classes

and the rest of the week alone studying. My son was a

teenager and spent a lot of time with his friends, adding to

the time alone.  These factors plus an unchangeable situ

caused a deep unhappiness.  That was the trigger for my

demise. Running, visiting the elderly, new relationships and

coming to grips with the fact that there are some things one

can not change   were the elements in my recovery. I had to

learn to "pick up and move on."  Later I became acquainted

with a therapist who was quite surprised that I recovered

without medication.

     One of you said anxiety is the cause.  That is it in a

broad term. Anxiety is caused by unresolved anger, guilt,

failing to accept forgiveness, deep, especially longstanding

unhappiness - in short all are a sickness of the spirit that

affects the body.  Fixing the spirit is the cure. Chemicals,

herbs, diet and exercise only cure the symptoms.

    There is one good thing about depression.  One comes to

know how fragile the human spirit is and how important it is

to keep it healthy by learning to face reality. You really

get to know yourself.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Depression

From: "annie@home" <caron@ctel.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:20:54 -0500

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I agree with you Jim on "Fixing the spirit is the cure. Chemicals,

herbs, diet and exercise only cure the symptoms"  I've been there

also.  One of life's lessons learned the hard way,  Thanks for 

sharing your experience.  Moving forward,  Annie



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] muscle aches

From: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:56:07 -0800

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>



Hello,

Yes, use peppermint essential oil, and or Patchouly essential oil.

EXCELLENT!

We use the young living essential oils when we need to....and peppermint is

a must have as well as patchouly. Great for muscle aches.

Sheila



>Posted To HerbInfo By: "Tamara L. Moore" <tamara.moore@home.com>

>

>Greetings all,

>

>Does anyone have any HERBAL suggestions for relieving muscle aches



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Subject: [HerbInfo] muscle aches

From: "Tamara L. Moore" <tamara.moore@home.com>

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:09:33 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Tamara L. Moore" <tamara.moore@home.com>



Greetings all,



Does anyone have any HERBAL suggestions for relieving muscle aches?  I have

tried epsom salt baths and that helps temporarily.  These aches are

primarily caused from sinus and allergy.  I also spend a lot of time at my

desk, so this could also be a reason for the aching muscles.



Thanks in advance,

T



ps.  I really enjoy this group.  I have learned a lot.  Keep up the HERBAL

discussions!  :)



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] muscle aches

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:07:54 -0500

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Are these aches all over? If they're body aches, try a hot sea salt bath,

and it may take several nights. Use 1 to 2 cups of sea salt per bath. I know

it sounds like a lot, but when you're detoxing, it isn't.



For those really stubborn aches, try a castor oil wrap - saturate cotton

flannel with warm castor oil and wrap the area. Then, wrap saran wrap to

keep in the heat. If youlike you can even top that off with a heating pad.

Leave wrapped for 1/2 hour to an hour if you can. Repeat as often as needed.



Well, they're not HERBAL... :)



Susan



>

> Does anyone have any HERBAL suggestions for relieving muscle aches?  I

have

> tried epsom salt baths and that helps temporarily.  These aches are

> primarily caused from sinus and allergy.  I also spend a lot of time at my

> desk, so this could also be a reason for the aching muscles.

>





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From: WANAKEEH@aol.com

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:19:09 EST

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Adding flax seed or oil to your diet may be helpful. Also, yoga. Rent a

beginners yoga tape from your local library. It can do wonders for aching

muscles. : )





Kee 



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In a message dated 3/10/99 2:15:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tamara.moore@home.com writes:



> Does anyone have any HERBAL suggestions for relieving muscle aches?  I have

>  tried epsom salt baths and that helps temporarily.  These aches are

>  primarily caused from sinus and allergy.  I also spend a lot of time at my

>  desk, so this could also be a reason for the aching muscles.

>  

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From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:20:58 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)



Have you tried Lavender essential oil in your bath? Helps for a little while. I think the best herb to take for tense muscles is valerian capsules.



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From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:40:26 EST

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In a message dated 3/10/99 2:15:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tamara.moore@home.com writes:



<< 

 Does anyone have any HERBAL suggestions for relieving muscle aches?  I have

 tried epsom salt baths and that helps temporarily.  These aches are

 primarily caused from sinus and allergy.  I also spend a lot of time at my

 desk, so this could also be a reason for the aching muscles.

  >>

Some herbs have been suggested, so I hope you won't mind if I mention

something else, tho it may be something you already know of. Those lacking

calcium get muscle cramps. One may wish to either add calcium to their diet or

take a calcium, magnesium supplement. (Zinc helps absorption.) Especially for

women over 40. 



If someone has a job where they stand their your feet a lot they may need

something as simple as support hose. 



Also, some disorders include warning symptoms of muscle spasms. Hypothyroidism

for one. Check out various disorders along these lines. It can be nipped it

the bud.  



I agree with the valerian caps. 



Conscious relaxation can help one to learn how to release the tension in each

muscle, one group at a time, consciously. I know a really good company for

that, but not sure I am allowed to mention it here.  I am not part of their

company. :) 



<3

Pari 

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:48:32 EST

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In a message dated 3/10/99 2:43:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, Parijata2@aol.com

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<< 

 Also, some disorders include warning symptoms of muscle spasms.

Hypothyroidism

 for one. Check out various disorders along these lines. It can be nipped it

 the bud.   >>

 

I meant muscle ACHES. 



<3

Pari 

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:16:03 EST

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I have fibromayalgia which is problems and aches of muscles.  It is helped

tremendously by taking magnesium malate.  Liz Snow

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] muscle aches

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:08:53 -0600

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>>Rent a beginners yoga tape from your local library. It can do wonders for

aching muscles.



Interesting, exactly how does Yoga help the ache?  I've been told to try it

for joint pain resulting from my Lupus.



Jan Flood  oakridge@windo.missouri.org

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:44:25 EST

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for any muscl problems i have ever had warm baths and streching has done the

trick for me.  them streching has be done regulary to keep it away and it will

help with your flexiblity too:)



sincerly 

Tigre

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from what little i know about yoga, it helps because it's streching and

excerciseing. My aunt I think said somthing about it helping her with her

breathing when she was pregnat more so then the lamaze



Tigre

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] A cry for help/SJW & Kava unsafe?

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:30:49 -0500

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I did not mean to imply that kava kava or any other herb couldn't cause

damage - but rather that used as directed, it should not.



Anyone that's studied herbs knows that "long-term" use is a no-no...unless

you have a chronic condition are are working with a professional that really

knows their stuff.



Susan



>

> http://www.kcweb.com/herb/kavakava.htm

> Please check out this website. It will give you the information on Kava

> Kava.

> Sheila





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] A cry for help/SJW & Kava unsafe?

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:21:28 EST

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In a message dated 3/9/99 9:31:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, harkins@sky1.net

writes:



<< Me too... she did send me some info - thank you very much for doing so. I

 did review most of it. But after reviewing it I have to give my honest

 opinion - I don't believe it. Mainly, because they picked the most popular

 and affective drugs to discredit. >>



I also received the info. on SJW and Echinacea. I thank you kindly for the

information.

The following excerpts are from the article. 

One small study, done with Hamster eggs and human sperm.

Sorry, this is not enough science to make me stop taking my tinctures.

Ever read the warning labels on OTC medications?

Be wise,

denise 

 

>Several popular over-the-counter herbs,

>including St. John's Wort and echinacea, could badly affect people's

>fertility, researchers said on Monday.

 >A study published in the journal Fertility and Sterility suggests

>that high doses of echinacea, ginkgo and St. John's wort can damage

>reproductive cells, can stop sperm from fertilising eggs and might damage

>eggs and sperm.



>     The team at Loma Linda University School of Medicine in California

>said St.  John's Wort in particular both impaired the ability of the sperm

>to penetrate the egg and seemed to cause genetic mutations in the sperm.

>

>     "This is a very important study that could provide important

>information to patients suffering from infertility," Alan DeCherney,

>editor of Fertility and Sterility, said in a statement.

>

>     "The growing popularity of these herbal products means we must

>examine all their possible side effects."

>

>     The researchers did not test people taking the herbal preparations

>but instead worked in the laboratory.

>

>     They took hamster eggs, removed the zona pellucida or outer

>shell-like coating, exposed them to the herbs and then mixed in human

>sperm. Healthy human sperm usually can penetrate the egg, but will not

>fertilise it.

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From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:46:24 +0000

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Denise wrote:





<<Ever read the warning labels on OTC medications?>>



And I add:  Or paid attention to the warnings on the TV commercials for

the new drugs we see on TV?  Whatever that new weight loss one is, &

Propecia for example!  Heard a real MD (older) once on a talk show that

said "practicing medicine is scarey anymore cause the side effects are

often worse than the original problem" (that's probably closer to

paraphrase than actual quote.. it's been a while)



Seems to me the herbal warnings pale in comparison.  They at least are

usually "large doses over a long period"...  No so with many of the

"real prescribed medicines.



Patt





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From: WANAKEEH@aol.com

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:53:20 EST

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I don't buy the "unsafe" label on kava nor SJW. I use both, and I even give

them to my children. I have done extensive research in the past, and all i can

say is, consider the source. I just don't buy it! 



Kee



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> 

>  I'm not a paranoid, whacked-out weirdo living in a shack in the woods, but

I

>  do believe that the drug industry would like nothing better than to

>  discredit herbs.

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Regarding Ovarian cysts.

From: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:21:36 -0800

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Cedarwood essential oil really helps. My sister in law had a lot of them and

was in supreme pain.....she started rubbing the cedarwood essential oil on

her around her ovaries and putting it on the bottom of her feet, as this is

another way of it being absorbed into the body, and she is healthy and the

cysts are GONE!!

Sheila





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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:56:26 EST

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In a message dated 3/9/99 10:00:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

life101@sterlink.net writes:



<< So kava kava is then safe to use?>>

Sheila,

Since I am not your health care practitioner I cannot say whether or not Kava

is safe for you to use. 

That is your responsibility.

Common sense guides me to research and educate myself on any recommended

course of treatment, whether it be conventional, holistic, herbal, whatever.

As long as it remains my choice.

I choose to first use a holistic, herbal approach for my family's health care

needs. I consider this to be the safest treatment available to us. I also

would not hesitate to seek conventional medical advise or treatment if I felt

it was necessary.

I think it unwise to discount any herbal treatment on one single source of

information.

Once again, if you are in doubt, don't.

tc,

denise     

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From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:06:03 -0600

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A few weeks ago I posted I had brought my lavender plants in for the

winter - and a number of you wrote they would survive the winter outside in

zone 5.  Well, they were responding to the longer days and warm weather,

growing like weeds, so I set them outside under an upper deck.  Of course

the weather turned but it was a southern rain so I figured they would be ok.

Wrong - on both counts - it froze like a mini-ice storm and I had ice

sculptures in the morning and wilted lettuce by the afternoon when they

melted.  Packed those little babies back inside - and see a few branches

that survived.



Question:  Should I take cuttings where I can and trash the rest of the

plant or do you think there is a chance the entire plant will survive?  Also

lost 18 rosemary plants, almost as many scented geraniums and a number of

others that were ready to go in the garden. My arp rosemary plants I tested

this winter are alive, but don't look too green, is that normal for them?

Don't think I will ever get used to this midwest weather.  This is the

second time the garden has sustained a good freeze when the plants were

several inches high, they think it is time to grow.  I'm beginning to wonder

how much I will lose in the final count this spring.

Jan Flood  oakridge@windo.missouri.org

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:20:56 +0000

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<<Should I take cuttings where I can and trash the rest of the

plant or do you think there is a chance the entire plant will survive?>>



Why not take a few cuttings & nurse the plant too?  Might both work. 

But if not, you have your starts.



Patt

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Yoga 'n muscle aches

From: WANAKEEH@aol.com

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:19:24 EST

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Yoga relaxes your muscles and relieves stress as you stretch those muscles.

Its a good way to lower your blood pressure, tone your body and relieve the

many stressors that cause us aches and pains.



Kee 



In a message dated 3/10/99 4:17:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

oakridge@windo.missouri.org writes:



> Interesting, exactly how does Yoga help the ache?

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From: CarolnNY@aol.com

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:38:13 EST

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Hi...



I realize I might be pushing it here, but I got to ask...



Does anyone know of anything that would be effective on removal/dislodging

ect. ovarian cysts?  I have no understanding of ovarian cysts to begin with,

so its like looking for a needle in a hay stack.



One thought I did have was Wild Yam cream.  But then I would be assuming that

the cysts are caused by too much estrogen?



If anyone has had experience with the cysts I would appreciate your input...



Thanks...



Carol

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From: The Smiths <smith5@ptdprolog.net>

Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:53:27 +0930

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Hi, this topic came up on the Menopaus List. From what I understand,

natural progesterone cream conteracts what estrogen does (keeps things

in balance). If you do not get responses on this list you might want to

pose the question to the Menopaus list. Ovarian cysts are common but

must be monitored. Good luck.  joanne

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:29:19 EST

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In a message dated 3/10/99 4:42:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, CarolnNY@aol.com

writes:



<< 

 Hi...

 

 I realize I might be pushing it here, but I got to ask...

 

 Does anyone know of anything that would be effective on removal/dislodging

 ect. ovarian cysts?  I have no understanding of ovarian cysts to begin with,

 so its like looking for a needle in a hay stack.

 

 One thought I did have was Wild Yam cream.  But then I would be assuming that

 the cysts are caused by too much estrogen?

 

 If anyone has had experience with the cysts I would appreciate your input...

 

 Thanks...

 

 Carol

 _________ >>



Dear Carol,



Hi, 



Here is some information I got from another list - of professionals. Hope it

helps. 



>>>Simple ovarian cysts are left alone, unless they grow bigger than 3-4

inches, produce symptoms, or interfere with the cycles in any way.

Complex cysts (liquid-solid, multi-chambered, etc) are operated upon, as they

may be a kind of tumor (usually, big masses) Transvaginal ultrasound may

give most of the answers. US guided fine needle biopsy is the ultimate

diagnostic tool, but most surgeons resent it.

A green way to treat menopausal ailments is Achillea millefolium tea, and

Alchemilla vulgaris tea, twice a day each.

Nightly ginger tea hot pads, or castor oil hot pads may be a good segmental

therapy.



If you want to address it the anthroposophic way, Mixtura Stanni Compositum

drops, will "discourage" the formation of cysts. Ovarium D4, Apis mellifica

or Vespa crabro may also be added.<<



>>



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Thank you all very much for the input on Ovarian Cysts... I appreciate you all

..



Carol

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From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

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In a message dated 3/10/99 4:15:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,

oakridge@windo.missouri.org writes:



<< A few weeks ago I posted I had brought my lavender plants in for the

 winter - and a number of you wrote they would survive the winter outside in

 zone 5. >>

Hi Jan,

Sorry to hear about your Lavender plants. 

They can survive zone 5 winters, mine can and do, planted in the ground,

heavily mulched, which helps to provide insulation for the roots. If you put

potted plants outside where they are unaccustomed to the cold temps., (plants

need to hardened off) without adequate insulation, I'm sure the pots froze

roots and all. 

>>Question:  Should I take cuttings where I can and trash the rest of the

plant or do you think there is a chance the entire plant will survive?>>

If they were planted in the ground, I would leave them alone and see what

happened come spring. If they are in pots, I'm not sure, I think I would still

leave them, my mint survives each year ... can't kill it even if you try

though.

>>My arp rosemary plants I tested this winter are alive, but don't look too

green, is that normal for them?>>

I have mine sheltered and heavily mulched ... covered with snow now, I don't

think I've ever looked at it before spring.

>>This is the second time the garden has sustained a good freeze when the

plants were several inches high, they think it is time to grow.  I'm beginning

to wonder how much I will lose in the final count this spring.>>

It happens every year in colder zones, they survive as long as they are well

prepared.

good luck,

denise 

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] muscle aches/Relief

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:06:49 EST

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In a message dated 3/10/99 2:15:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tamara.moore@home.com writes:



<< Does anyone have any HERBAL suggestions for relieving muscle aches? >>

Hi Tamara,

I have found relief with SJW oil applied topically.

A local massage should help bring relief also, try adding 7 to 10 drops each,

of these eo's to about 2oz. of carrier oil; marjoram, lavender and rosemary.

You can also use 8 to 10 drops in a hot bath and soak until the water begins

to cool.

Ginger, the peppers and pine can be useful as rubs too. Cut the eo amount to 5

drops in 2 to 4ozs carrier oil. As always watch for irritations and or

reactions.

take care,

denise

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Gardening

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:33:03 -0600

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Two things I want to grow a lot more of are German Chamomile and Calendula. So easy from seed and really enjoyed having them in the garden. Am going to try a Lobelia patch this year also.



St. Johnswort has so far been a disappointment. The few cuttings that rooted look OK but I really have not had much luck with seeds. Learned last year that one can easily grow way too much basil! 

Anyone else? How does your garden grow?

Karen Shelton

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-----Original Message----->



>It's almost spring here.  Has anyone planned out their herb gardens with 

>anything new?





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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:37:40 -0500

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==========Didn't know there WAS such a thing as too much basil - the smell

is so wonderful. Equally smellerific is the rose geranium. :) I'm trying

lots of things and have a small patch of lavender that does come back, but

hasn't spread and really hasn't produced much in the way of a crop yet. This

will be its third summer though, so maybe it's time. :) I've have several

small plantings, just started. Will be fun to see how much they grow the

summer.



Susan







Anyone else? How does your garden grow?





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From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:31:19 -0600

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I did a lot of raised bed gardening to make it easier on my back. Used landscape timbers and black plastic to make beds 16 x 8 and 8 x8 . It would have made it easier to cut the timbers in half, the beds are really too wide. The beds were filled with aged horse manure, compost and about 40% coarse sand. I never used fertilizer or chemicals on any of my stuff. I had great results  with everything except the rosemary, sage and lavender. I think last summer was a bit wet for them, also lime most likely should be added. 



The following herbs grew well in clay soil enriched with compost : Catnip, Lemon balm, Feverfew, Bugleweed, Evening Primrose ( the Japanese Beetles ate the leaves but they still made a lot of seed) , German Chamomile, Forget Me Not's, Fennel, strawflower, and Basil, Skullcap, Comfrey  and mints to name a few.  I also grew Okra, Tomatoes, Peppers, cucumbers, carrots and onions. Raised bed tomatoes are prolific producers. Besides the Jap Beetles, there were no pest problems. They pretty much kept to the evening primrose, which was one reason I planted it--they even left me some wild blackberries this year :-)







Just rambling on....any questions?



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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:36:11 -0500

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=============My problem is finding good started plants - anyone have a good

mail order source - one where the plants arrive in good shape and aren't

tiny sprigs? If discussing a real business is against the rules - you might

want to reply privately.



Susan Harkins

--------------

 did a lot of raised bed gardening to make it easier on my back. Used

landscape timbers and black plastic to make beds 16 x 8 and 8 x8 . It would

have made it easier to cut the timbers in half, the beds are really too

wide. The beds were filled with aged horse manure, compost and about 40%

coarse sand. I never used fertilizer or chemicals on any of my stuff. I had

great results  with everything except the rosemary, sage and lavender. I

think last summer was a bit wet for them, also lime most likely should be

added.







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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:46:47 EST

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In a message dated 3/11/99 9:33:57 AM EST, nature@edge.net writes:



<< I did a lot of raised bed gardening to make it easier on my back. Used

landscape timbers and black plastic to make beds 16 x 8 and 8 x8 . >>



You need to be very careful about using landscape timbers around any plants

that you will be consuming.  The treated wood leaches the chemicals used to

treat them into the soil -- mainly formaldehyde.  Use cedar, redwood, or some

other insect and rot resistant wood instead of treated wood.



Sabrina

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Gardening

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:18:16 -0600

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>You need to be very careful about using landscape timbers around any plants

>that you will be consuming.  The treated wood leaches the chemicals used to

>treat them into the soil -- mainly formaldehyde.  Use cedar, redwood, or some

>other insect and rot resistant wood instead of treated wood.



>

>Sabrina



mm...well when I was totally broke a few years ago I made some beds of sorts from old firewood and the bags potting soil came in. Guess I was doing something right and didn't know it..but it got a lot of laughs.

Karen Shelton

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Gardening

From: joanr@mindlink.net

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:20:16 -0700

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Karen Shelton wrote:

> 

> Posted To HerbInfo By: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

> St. Johnswort has so far been a disappointment. The few cuttings that rooted look OK but I really have not had much luck with seeds. Learned last year that one can easily grow way too much basil!

> Anyone else? How does your garden grow?



St. John's Wort seeds aren't easy to germinate but I did grow some last year

from seed.  The instructions I got with my seeds said:  prepare at least 75%

sandy soil mix, sprinkle the seed on the surface of this sandy mix and press

in hard.  Water one or twice daily until the seeds sprout.



I too, grew too much basil last year.  We put in a new large raised bed and I

got carried away with basil.  I probably have enough frozen and dried basil to

last a looong time.  I do like the lime basil that I grew for the first time

last year too.



Some new herbs from seed this year - too numerous to mention them all but some

of the more interesting:  licorice, astragalas, gotu kola, Echinacea paradoxa,

clove pinks and sweet pinks, goldenseal (which was planted last fall, some

will germinate this spring and some next spring and then I will have to wait

for about 7 years to harvest the roots!), black cohosh (warm conditions, cold

conditions, warm conditions then they will germinate - hopefully), stevia,

codonopsis, schisandra, a special lemon balm (actually seeded last year) that

has more oil in it than the regular lemon balm.  I kept 3 plants in the house

under lights and have been using them fresh in tea all winter and my dogs get

the stems........Joan

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Gardening

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 03:52:51 -0500

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@alist4u.net

>St. Johnswort has so far been a disappointment.<



St. John's wort seems to grow much better in the wild.  My garden stuff is

just not strong and tall like the wild variety.  

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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From: "Toney Edwards" <toney@cybersouth.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:11:58 -0500

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Joan Where do you find your herb seeds? I haven't seen some of the ones you

mention. TIA  toney



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Gardening

From: joanr@mindlink.net

Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:30:02 -0700

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Toney Edwards wrote:

> Joan Where do you find your herb seeds? I haven't seen some of the ones you

> mention. TIA  toney



I trade a lot of herb seeds with friends and I also buy seeds from:



Horizon Herbs:       http://www.budget.net/~herbseed/Welcome.html

Richters Herbs:      http://www.richters.com/

Thyme Garden Herbs:  http://www.proaxis.com/~thymegarden/



I think they are all good companies although I have had problems with each of

them at one time or another.  They did fix the problems and being on the

internet it is fast and easy and free.  Horizon Herbs lists the germination

and growing methods of their seeds in their catalog which is really helpful.

Sometimes that is my only source of instructions on how to plant the seeds of

some of the more "obscure" herbs.  I have found that it is hard to get good

germination instructions from Richters and Thyme Garden on some of their

medicinal herbs in particular......Joan

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Chickweed

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:16:47 -0600

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Need tips for use of Chickweed. Also interested to know if anyone actually cultivates it.

Also I started a list about wild plants and uses, if anyone is interested email me.

Karen Shelton

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Chickweed

From: joanr@mindlink.net

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:32:10 -0700

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Karen Shelton wrote:

> Need tips for use of Chickweed. Also interested to know if anyone actually cultivates it.



I admit to cultivating chickweed...  The wild chickweed I was using growing in

the vegetable raised beds died out one winter so I planted some from seed in

one of the raised beds (along with red clover and oastraw actually).  It seems

to grow no matter what I do (usually nothing)- never did look up on how to

cultivate it properly! 



I infuse it in olive oil to make salves, infuse it in apple-cider vinegar

along with other mineral-rich herbs to use instead of regular vinegar and my

chickens and dogs love it too (both my dogs are herb-grazers).............Joan

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Chickweed

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:35:18 EST

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In a message dated 3/11/99 12:30:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,

joanr@mindlink.net writes:



<< 

 Karen Shelton wrote:

 > Need tips for use of Chickweed. Also interested to know if anyone actually

cultivates it.

  >>



Chickweed is helpful for weight loss, also chickweed is plaque resisting. Got

to run. 



<3

Pari

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Chickweed

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 03:53:03 -0500

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You can blend in a blender fresh chickweed and grapefruit juice that comes

in the tall cans from Dole I think and it makes a wonderful green drink. 

It foams like a Daquiri ( sp?) and it tastes wonderful.  I will have to

look up the exact measurements; but you can just try it yourself. 

Chickweed is one of the first greens of spring.  I would love to have it

growing all over my garden.  I tore it out years ago before I knew what it

was.  

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Blessing gardens

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:59:45 -0600

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The only difference I can think of is that our Pastor did a ritual 

>blessing of the church garden when I first created it a couple of years 

>ago.  Everything grows REALLY well there.  I'm thinking of inviting him 

>down to my house this Spring...





I agree that giving your plants positive energy does help them. Whether it be a blessing, a kind word, prayer, meditating with them or praise, it really does seem to work. I bet that Garden Blessing was very nice :-) Maybe all gardens should start out with some kind of dedication ritual based on the beliefs of the attending gardeners. 



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Gardening - licorice

From: Herbtown@aol.com

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:08:47 EST

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Hi,

How do I grow licorice?  I have tried a dozen times and sadly all attempts

failed.  Any help will be appreciated.  I live in Orange County, CA (Zone 9).

I buy rooted herbs in 3 in pots.  Thanks in advance.  Bo

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Gardening - licorice

From: joanr@mindlink.net

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:27:04 -0700

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Herbtown@aol.com wrote:



> How do I grow licorice?  I have tried a dozen times and sadly all attempts

> failed.  Any help will be appreciated.  I live in Orange County, CA (Zone 9).

> I buy rooted herbs in 3 in pots.  Thanks in advance.  Bo



Well, I planted small plants and some of my own seedlings last year in a

raised bed and am waiting for them to come up again this spring. Licorice

doesn't like transplanting and should be planted in their permanent spot when

2 inches tall. I also planted seeds some of which germinated and I am growing

them in the house under lights at the moment.  I am in Zone 6/7 in western

British Columbia so I really don't know if your climate could be wrong for

licorice BUT they do like a cold winter according to my information.......Joan

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re:  [herbInfo]  Rosemary

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:14:01 -0500

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=========Have any of you ever heard of outlining your garden with copper

wire? Does it really work?



Susan

 >Is there anything that will make Rosemary grow faster? I have yet to

> >get one a foot tall during a growing season.





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re:  [herbInfo]  Rosemary

From: joanr@mindlink.net

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:28:29 -0700

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Harkins wrote:

> =========Have any of you ever heard of outlining your garden with copper

> wire? Does it really work?



Does it really work for what?? I have only heard of using copper wire to keep

slugs away.  Never tried it though........Joan

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Gardening/Raised beds

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:01:43 EST

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In a message dated 3/11/99 9:33:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, nature@edge.net

writes:



<< I did a lot of raised bed gardening to make it easier on my back. Used

landscape timbers and black plastic to make beds 16 x 8 and 8 x8 . >>



Karen,



Did you use the plastic on the bottom, (to block grass & weeds) or on top for

mulch. I was thinking of trying news paper on the bottom to kill the grass.

How deep were the beds? I have never done raised beds ... like to see my

husband dig up our rocks and clay by hand.<BG> I keep telling him back braking

work is good for him. Thankfully he enjoys the results as much as I do.

tia,

denise

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Gardening/Raised beds

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:38:17 -0600

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>Did you use the plastic on the bottom, (to block grass & weeds) or on top for

>mulch.



On bottom . Mostly used straw for mulch and pulled weeds but  I don't use anything on top unless the weeds get out of control.  Never know, they might be there for a reason. I didn't do anything to kill the grass under it either, I guess it just died.



Some of the beds are about 8 " deep and some are about 12, depending on the needs of the plants. 

I posted a picture of one of the beds at http://altnature.com/gallery/raisedbed.htm , not a real good pic but you get the idea. That one was three timbers deep. It  was 8 x 8 and held a lot of plants. this pic was in late June of last year.



hope that helps,

Karen Shelton



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Gardening/by mail

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:06:17 EST

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In a message dated 3/11/99 9:42:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, harkins@sky1.net

writes:



<< My problem is finding good started plants - anyone have a good

 mail order source - one where the plants arrive in good shape and aren't

 tiny sprigs? >>



Susan,

I have yet to mail order plants that were not tiny twigs. Amazingly they grow

like weeds, much better than larger sized local nursery stock. We have had

excellent luck with bushes. They look miserable when they arrive but really

take off and do very well.

take care,

denise

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Chickweed/uses

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:15:57 EST

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In a message dated 3/11/99 10:19:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, nature@edge.net

writes:



<< Need tips for use of Chickweed. Also interested to know if anyone actually

cultivates it. >>



Karen,

I use it externally for skin irritations in washes, toners, salves, lotions

and creams. I have very irritable, dry, sensitive skin w/ eczema. It helps to

relieve the itch from dry skin and eczema, nice and soothing for the red

irritable areas.

Chickweed cultivates me, it is althroughout our yard, planting beds and even

in the patio pots.

take care,

denise

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Growing patchouli

From: LGSEKULA@aol.com

Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:55:21 EST

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Are there any tricks to growing patchouli? Does it need rich or poor soil?

It's part of the mint famly so I assume it would be grown the same way. Gaye

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Growing patchouli

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:52:21 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>



YOU WROTE:

Are there any tricks to growing patchouli? Does it need rich or poor soil?



I ADD:

Never let it dry completely out.  Don't keep it soggy, just always slightly

damp.  I learned the hard way - killed two before success.  I've had this plant

for three years now and have rooted many babies from it.   It can take lots of

sun if kept moist but even one complete drying out and it's a goner.

KB

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Growing patchouli

From: Brenda R <brunions@inetone.net>

Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:11:08 -0500

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I ADD:

Never let it dry completely out.  Don't keep it soggy, just always

slightly

damp.  I learned the hard way - killed two before success.  I've had

this

plant

for three years now and have rooted many babies from it.   It can take

lots of

sun if kept moist but even one complete drying out and it's a goner.

KB

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If it does accidentally dry out, water it with VERY warm water (almost

hot) and it may have a chance.

Brenda



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Growing patchouli

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:45:56 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



>>Are there any tricks to growing patchouli?



I grow it, but don't have any tricks.  Even tho it is in the mint family I

was afraid to leave it in the garden over winter so I brought it in the last

two years.  It loses a few leaves and a little color, but already it is

thriving and putting out new growth.  I start several new plants each year

from it.  I put it in the garden in a semi-shady spot and it grows great.  I

haven't found much material on growing Patchouli - do we have any experts on

the list?



Jan Flood  oakridge@windo.missouri.org

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Patchouli

From: Linda Boyce <orehomestead@proaxis.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:13:43 -0800 (PST)

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Where can I find patchouli plants? Do they grow in Oregon?



Thanks-



Linda

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Patchouli

From: "Gardenthyme~Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:45:05 -0500

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I have never seen or heard of growing patchouli.  It's one of my favorite

fragrances and I would be interested in growing some, thanks for the info on

seeds & plants.  Does anyone know if they can be grown in Zone 5 (Indiana)?

Thanks!

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Patchouli

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:48:17 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>





>I have never seen or heard of growing patchouli.  It's one of my favorite

>fragrances and I would be interested in growing some, thanks for the info

on

>seeds & plants.  Does anyone know if they can be grown in Zone 5 (Indiana)?

>Thanks!

>Dee





in a pot that is brought into the house in winter....

Joanie



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Patchouli

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:49:33 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



My Patchouli grows wonderfully here, where we are zone 5, however <g>  I do

bring it inside for the winter.  It is a member of the mint family so I may

try a test plant next year.  I plant in the ground for the summer, take lots

of starts, and dig the whole plant up in the fall.  It does drop a few

leaves over the winter and may yellow some, but right now they are all

strong, dark green and growing - ready to go outside as soon as the weather

settles - it that ever comes to be.  We had 18" of snow this week with 70

degree temps.

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Good Morning America

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:43:21 -0500

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My granddaugher's other grandmother is concerned because I give Lexie

Echinacea - she says she heard on Good Morning America that it causes

sterility.



I hated to just brush her off, that would've been rude. Did anyone see the

show - how credible was the study, the info?



Frankly, I'm not buying it, but I'd like to be well armed, I'm sure it will

come up again.



Thanks,

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Good Morning America

From: Ela <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:22:16 -0500 (EST)

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The study was ONE study, I believe . done on human sperm penetrating

hamster eggs, I believe (which doesn't sound like a super "real world"

scenario to me; do you know any hamster/human crosses in your

neighborhood?)  It seems to me that a bit more testing would be in order

before people draw conclusions about the validity of this info ..



- Ela



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Good Morning America/Echinacea

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:34:52 EST

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In a message dated 3/13/99 2:49:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, harkins@sky1.net

writes:



<< My granddaugher's other grandmother is concerned because I give Lexie

 Echinacea - she says she heard on Good Morning America that it causes

 sterility. >>

Susan,

I did see a portion of the show and it left me unconvinced. I have two boy's,

ages 17 and 11. Both of them take Echinacea and many other herbs when needed.

I consider them to be one of the safest options available today. 

Considering the past history of many prescription medications, I would be more

inclined to question the rationality of giving a synthetic drug to my child

and blindly excepting a drug companies word that it is safe. Twenty-five years

ago reports made headlines that women in the late 1940s and 50's had taken

hormonal shots routinely while pregnant, 20 and 30 years later their sons were

turning up sterile and their daughters with uterine cancer. 

Still today, Dr.'s knowingly prescribe medications that cause serious and

sometimes life threatening side effects.

The main focus on herbal remedies is education and safety, while conventional

treatments still leave you in the dark. 

To me the intelligent choice is a "no brainer".

good luck and take care,

denise 

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Good Morning America/Echinacea

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:50:38 -0500

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Well they didn't study me...I started taking Echinacea for throat infections

and all way back before I had any kids...and I have been quite fertile in

the intervening time.  As a former professional statistician, and at one

time a professional Guinea pig for several tests and trials while I was a

student at MIT, I can tell you that you can prove most anything you want to

if you set up your test, trial or study up right.  My jobs as a statistician

were not to determine WHETHER such and such was needed or necessary butter

to prove that it WAS necessary.  If you know your stuff, you can look at

most any test that "proves" that this medicine or plant does or does not

have an effect, positive or negative.....and find the fatal flaws in it and

tear it apart.



BUT you cannot do this if you are not told the details...and GOODMORNING

AMERICA or the local news or ABC news or even CNN probably are NOT going to

give you the details...and if they do you had better watch out, because the

reporter rarely has the background necessary to get the facts straight

either.



And even if the reporter gets the facts straight...he or she has no idea

what the controls were on the study....in my case, as a student making my

spending money being a guinea pig....there where NO controls whatsoever.

And these were studies at the prestigious MIT....so there.



Anecdotal evidence has as much credibility as does pretty much any study

(with which I disagree, of course)...in my book, anyway.



Joanie





><< My granddaugher's other grandmother is concerned because I give Lexie

> Echinacea - she says she heard on Good Morning America that it causes

> sterility. >>





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Good Morning America/Echinacea

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:58:33 +0000

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I just have to say a very special Thank you to Joanie MacPhee for that

extremely informative post about studies.  I learned a lot from that

Joanie, & am keeping it to remind myself!



Thank you, thank you, thank you!



Patt





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From: LGSEKULA@aol.com

Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:17:25 EST

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Richter's Seed has them & much, much more. http://www.richters.com



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Good Morning America/hamster eggs

From: Tsugu/karyn <tfkg@pacbell.net>

Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:33:39 -0800

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Ela wrote:



> Posted To HerbInfo By: Ela <ferret@panix.com>

>

> The study was ONE study, I believe . done on human sperm penetrating

> hamster eggs, I believe (which doesn't sound like a super "real world"

> scenario to me; do you know any hamster/human crosses in your

> neighborhood?)



It sounds wierd, but that is how they do most fertility testing - they

remove part of the outer wall of the hamster egg and test to see how well

the sperm penetrates.  They use this to test sperm from other species of

animals as well. But I entirely agree that they need to do more testing and

that this method certainly must have its failures.  It seems that anything

people have been consuming for _centuries_ could not have that many ill

effects on reproduction.  Also, I have read that in the US alone, male

fertility has decreased 40% over 50 years because of all the things we do to

our environment.  Not sure I can reference that, but will look in my books

to see.

Karyn



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Good Morning America/hamster eggs

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:45:31 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



>>Also, I have read that in the US alone, male

>>fertility has decreased 40% over 50 years because of all the things we do

to

>>our environment.



Heard a news flash yesterday that was one of those pro's & con's.  The good

news was men who indulge in alcohol in moderation on a daily basis had less

heart problems - the bad news was it decreased their fertility.  They cited

statistics with percentages. Not sure you could call that environment though

:)



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Subject: Violet Leaves

From: RP <palemoon@bestweb.net>

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:16:31 -0500

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Can anyone tell me what the beneficial effects of violet leaves are. I

noticed that they are contained in an herbal cleansing formula that I

take and was wondering what quantity is beneficial.



Roger







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Subject: Re: Violet Leaves

From: Andre & Melana <kanawa@rocler.qc.ca>

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:43:13 -0500

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As far as vitamins are concerned they are packed with A and some level

of C.  

Violet tea made from the leaves is reputed to be a good gargle for soar

throats as well as being good for soothing head aches. For inflamed

mucus tissue in the mouth rinse with a tea made from the root stock or

whole plant. (collect root stocks in the fall)

Violet infusions also have a calming effect on insomnia, hysteria or

nervous problems. I have also seen reference to violets being a good

anti cancer agent when combined with red clover and vervaine.





Melana



RP wrote:

> 

> Can anyone tell me what the beneficial effects of violet leaves are. I

> noticed that they are contained in an herbal cleansing formula that I

> take and was wondering what quantity is beneficial.

> 

> Roger



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Subject: [HerbInfo] B5 in herbs?

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:15:26 EST

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Does anyone know what herbs contain vitamin B5? I need this for an herbal

formula I am making. TIA. 



<3

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From: LauraLee <lauralee@GTE.net>

Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:14:05 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: LauraLee <lauralee@GTE.net>



Some herbs that contain B5 (pantothenic acid) are black cohosh, blue

cohosh, catnip, cayenne, dandelion, fenugreek, ginger, hawthorn,

horsetail, licorice, mullein, and red clover. The following foods also

contain B5; beef, brewer's yeast, eggs, fresh vegetables, kidney,

legumes, liver, mushrooms, nuts, pork, royal jelly, saltwater fish,

torula yeast, whole rye flour, and whole wheat.



LauraLee



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] B5 in herbs?

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:17:46 EST

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In a message dated 3/18/99 12:11:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, lauralee@GTE.net

writes:



<< 

 Some herbs that contain B5 (pantothenic acid) are black cohosh, blue

 cohosh, catnip, cayenne, dandelion, fenugreek, ginger, hawthorn,

 horsetail, licorice, mullein, and red clover. The following foods also

 contain B5; beef, brewer's yeast, eggs, fresh vegetables, kidney,

 legumes, liver, mushrooms, nuts, pork, royal jelly, saltwater fish,

 torula yeast, whole rye flour, and whole wheat.

 

 LauraLee>>



Thank you Laura!  WOW, and the only thing that came to my mind were strawberry

leaves.  hehe 



Actually, I had an entire list of what vitamins are in what herbs, but lost

it. :( 



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] B5 in herbs?

From: LauraLee <lauralee@GTE.net>

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:20:45 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: LauraLee <lauralee@GTE.net>



>>Actually, I had an entire list of what vitamins are in what herbs, but

lost

it. :(



I've got a list here somewhere too but I can't even kick my way through

the room I've got stuff stored in.LOL.  That information came from

"Prescription for Nutritional Healing" ;-)



LauraLee

















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Subject: [HerbInfo] Temple Talk 16-3-1999

From: Ron Clibborn-Dyer <roncd@asiaonline.net>

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:33:34 +0800 (HKT)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Ron Clibborn-Dyer <roncd@asiaonline.net>



Whilst the Herb List is Slow here is the news from Hong Kong.

Memorial from the Temple of Hidden Peace & Tranquillity

Tuesday, March 16, 1999

It rained hard today for the first time this year.  The rain was accompanied

by thunder and the Observatory issued a thunderstorm warning. The thunder

prompted me to go and purchase 100 metres of lightning conductor and all the

fittings, to relieve the earth God of his painful task of attracting all the

lightning in the area and earthing it in the reinforcing bars of the City

God's temple ceiling whilst simultaneously fusing all the electrical

appliances in the building with sometimes expensive results when we get a

direct hit.  The wet weather has prompted us to enlarge the goat's wet

weather cover, and Roger has been down in the bamboo grove cutting extra

supports for the corrugated roofing.  He has also cleared the Temple terrace

of nearly all the flower pots of assorted plants that we have been obliged

to keep their until now in order to prevent the goats from eating them all.

The plants will now spend the hot summer one terrace down below where they

will be cooler on a grass base instead of cooking on the concrete of the patio.

Some if not most of them we will plant out into the ground, just as soon as

it becomes soft enough with the rains to do so.  One of the Muscovy ducks

has spent the last three days and nights down in the ravine on the river

rock pools.  He flew down there one morning after being put to fright by

something or other.  Perhaps the brown dog from Luk Geng which visits us

almost every morning at five a.m.  I have seen him climb the chain link

fence to get out.  Goodness knows how he gets in.  Roger and I recovered the

duck this afternoon just before 5 p.m.  I had purchased 100 feet of green

netting and we strung that out across the ravine, but the wiley duck was

having none of it and he flew down to a lower pool, and when we climbed down

there he hopped rock by rock back up the ravine until I got too close and we

thought we had lost him altogether when he flew way down the hill and round

a corner out of sight.  A few seconds later he re-appeared on a higher

flight path and flew over our heads back into the pool below the netting.

We clambered back up there, Roger cutting a long slender bamboo pole and

making a noose at the thin end of it.  We cornered the duck in a blind water

hole, but no matter how we manipulated the bamboo noose, there was no way he

was going to let us get it over his head.  In the end we cornered him under

some low bushes and Roger made a successful dive for him and caught him with

wings and neck outstretched, but unable to take off.

So now he has had his wings clipped, a new way that Roger learned from his

father in the Philippines, instead of cutting across the feathers, which

spoils the appearance, you simply trim the lower part of each feather on the

outer wing and thus with wings closed it is not visible to the eye, but when

the wings are outstretched the gaps appear and there is insufficient wind

resistance for the bird to take off.  He was given a right old beating up by

Lucky ducky the Aylesbury white and the old Muscovy for being such a naught

stop out.  But he was able to get some grain inside himself before night

fell, so he should sleep a little more comfortable in the company of the others.

In the past week there has been changeable weather, with the temperature

dropping ten degrees and the humidity rising into the nineties.  It has

drizzled hard and visibility has been reduced by the mists of droplets in

the air.

Before this happened, Veronica and I went out on to the abandoned rice paddy

to the east of the Fung Shui woods and lay in the dry grass feeding our two

cows Daisy & Buttercup with nosebags of mixed grain and chicken pellets.  We

have not seen them over here for more than a month, and they were very

friendly and after feeding they both stood as if transfixed whilst I

massaged their undersides.  The rest of the herd looked on from a distance

completely perplexed by the whole scene, two cows with bags over their

heads, two humans and three dogs all lolling about in the grass on the

hillside. A strange scene indeed for Hong Kong.

On Saturday last we joined a guided walk with the Royal Asiatic Society [HK

branch] across Lantau Island along the line of the ancient trade route

between Canton and the island of Cheung Chau.  It was a damp and misty day

and there were no views to be admired from the hilltops all smothered in a

wet mist, but the day was most enjoyable nevertheless and finished with a

most excellent tea at the Bunker's residence at Mui Wo at the top of a

flight of 100 steps.  

Before going on the walk I had written an e-mail message to a friend in England:

"Today, despite the damp and misty weather, Veronica & I are leaving our

hillside

garden to it's own devices to go on a guided walk on an island off the South

China Coast through ancient villages the inhabitants of which have struggled

for centuries to make a living from the soil and the sea.  Their major

problems were getting their barter produce over the hills and across the sea

to another island to sell and the high cost against low returns for their

produce, of bringing essentials across the water to their remote island

homes. Now in the shadow of the new HK International Airport built on two

flattened islands just offshore from them.  The remaining old people see the

buses and trains passing on the airport expressway, but nothing stops

anywhere near them.  They still have to walk several miles to the nearest

public transport or ferry."   

Along the way, whilst walking in the mist we noted the Butterfly plant

"Milkweed" [Asclepia] in flower growing wild by the wayside in the villages

on the north coast. One fellow walker noted how similar it looked from a

distance to the flowers of the [Lantana camara], which also graced the

village outskirts.  But if you look at them closely, you will soon discover

that the only similarity is the colour of their blossoms, all else is very

different.  Also in flower was the tree [Schima superba], 

a wild growing Honeysuckle and the giant Shell ginger.  

The fruits of a Pei Pa Gwo tree were also of great interest.

We drove to the new town of Tung Chung beside the new airport and parked at

the new police station [with kind permission of the duty officer] and after

the walk we took a comfortable airport bus from Mui Wo over the narrow

winding single track mountain road back to our car before driving back to

Sha Tau Kok across the new airport expressway bridges.



Friday 18th March 1997

After three months or more with the back stream dried up, the water began to

flow again yesterday after some very welcome rain.  This last week has seen 

the battle of the WINDS begin over south China - a twice annual affair in

which the cold north Easterly winds do battle with the moist and warm South

Westerly winds up in the heavens to obtain dominance for the season.  This

battle rages back and forth until one of them gives up until the next change

of season.  

The temperature dropped ten degrees and the air became thick with the misty

sweat and tears of the protagonists forces of dragons and unicorns and other

mythical winged beasts as they did battle in the skies. The unseen battle

was so fierce that the air became warmed like a steam bath and it was like

walking out into a wall of heavy moisture. 

On Thursday [17th March] it rained hard in the morning clearing the heavenly

battle field and the wind from the fleeing forces blew leaves off the trees

to reveal a fresh and green mantle over the countryside as the bright green

leaves of spring shone in the afternoon sunlight.  The springs and streams

are bubbling with renewed life and Nami the blind Doberman sits beside the

water pots pulling out water hyacinth in her efforts to catch the croaking

frogs calling to their ladies to join them in a bubble bath frenzy of spring

mating.

Ron & Veronica in Hong Kong, China



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Yick Loong Shan			Dragon Mountain

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Nam Chung			South Stream

Sha Tau Kok			Sand Head Point



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Subject: [HerbInfo] ear candles?

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:05:38 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)



Anyone want to explain ear candling to me? I think I get that you put a candle in your ear and light it, but why? What is it supposed to do and what is the reasoning behind this? And what is special about the candles that are sold for this purpose? Is it a hoax?



Karen Shelton

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] ear candles?

From: CarolnNY@aol.com

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:21:00 EST

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I have done ear candleing, I felt no different afterwards. Locally, I can buy

a ear candle for $4.50.  They are suppose to bring up junk from your ear. When

you are done you open them up & see brownish stuff along with little black

specks, which I was told are mites or yeast (I don't really remember).



I do know you are not suppose to have your ears candled & swim within 3 days

of it.



About 2 months ago I was watching the show "The View" one of the women paid

someone $100.00 to have her ears candled. She was shown the junk inside the

ear candle when it was done & was told it was the impurities ect...  Anyway,

on the show they had some ear candles & burnt them, not putting them in a ear.

After it was burnt they opened it up & all the same junk was in there that

would be present if it was put in a ear.. even down to the little black

specks.   



I also have seen ear candles with Eucalyptus added to the wax, but I have not

tried them.  There are some web sites with pictures of people candleing their

ears, but I have lost their URL.



Carol

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] ear candles?

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:29:28 +0000

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>



Hi Karen,



To answer as well as I can, having had my ears candled only once (should

do again I suppose.. been about 4 years)



1 - The candles are hollow so that the heated air melts/softens the wax

in your ear & draws it up into the candle (vacuum created by heat)



2 - It is not a hoax.  It is painless as opposed to having a med Dr dig

away in there but I suggest having it done rather than trying to do

your own.  Need to use I believe it was a garlic oil in the ear after. 

Loss of the wax means it is "naked" in there for a while.  Without that

precaution, you risk getting an infection.



3 - Often having your ears candled really improves hearing.  That is

when the hearing loss is actually caused by wax buildup.



And that is about the sum total of what I know.  Hope it helps.



Patt



Just read the other answer you got.  $100.00!  Mine cost me $25 & she

came to the house.  But then, I am not in high priced NY like "The View"

(which I like very much)





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Subject: [HerbInfo] Re: Rosemary

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:55:02 -0600

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>



YOU WROTE: 

Is there anything that will make Rosemary grow faster? I have yet to get one a

foot tall during a growing season.



I ADD:

Sorry to be so long anaswering, I am waaaaay behind on reading my email.  

Any re: rosemary that doesn't grow much - what is the soil pH?  Years ago I was

trying to grow in very acidic soil which I had gotten down to near nutral with

line but my rosemary still only grew a bit.  Looked healthy and tasted good but

not productive.  Anyway, I planted some coltsfoot in a row next to the rosemary

and mulched the coltsfoot with limestone gravel.(coltsfoot is found growing in

the gravel beds along the railroads ther.   Surprise, surprise, my rosemary grew

to three feet tall taht year and since.   Seems it likes the soil sweet and high

in calcium.

KB

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Landscape timbers

From: <lmorris@tcjc.cc.tx.us> "Laurie Morris"

Date: Mon, 22 Mar 99 16:17:02 CST

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Posted To HerbInfo By: <lmorris@tcjc.cc.tx.us> "Laurie Morris"



>You need to be very careful about using landscape timbers around any =

plants

>that you will be consuming.  The treated wood leaches the chemicals =

used to

>treat them into the soil -- mainly formaldehyde.  Use cedar, redwood, =

or some

>other insect and rot resistant wood instead of treated wood.



>

>Sabrina



This is a bit late since i'm just now catching up on digests after spring 

break, but I heard just this weekend of a new and environmentally friendly 

lumber product that is not processed with the formaldehyde or arsenic, and 

is supposed to be safe for use in vegetable beds and children's play areas. 

 It IS pressure-treated but with a different process that supposedly 

"fixes" the one metallic element (copper) so that it doesn't leach out.  

The wood also is kind of a honey brown and doesn't seem to have that 

greenish color that pressure-treated wood has.  I'm not pushing anything 

here, i don't have any firsthand experience with this.  It was recommended 

by one of the local organic gardening experts on his radio show this 

weekend.  The name of the product is Kodiak.  Here is the website if anyone 

wants to check it out:



www.kodiakwood.com



Laurie

Property of furkids Nuka, Zeke, Lucy, Garth and Solomon

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Research/pregnancy dreams

From: Sheri McGregor <mcgregor@adnc.com>

Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:29:24 +0000

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Sheri McGregor <mcgregor@adnc.com>



Hi all,



I'm a lurker on this list most of the time, but love reading the posts and

learning from them. Now, I can use your help. I am a writer, currently

doing a piece for L.A. Parent on mother's intuition. I have a psychologist

who did a study on determining gender, but I want to expand this a tad.



What I'm interested in is dreams during pregnancy and how they came true in

the long term sense. For instance, did you (or your wife) dream about

baseball during your entire pregnancy and then your son grew up to be a

ball player? Or perhaps you dreamed about television shows the entire

pregnancy and your child is now an actor.



Longitudinal studies like this are very difficult to conduct by scientists,

so anecdotal info is the only way to go with this particular portion of the

article. Your child doesn't necessarily have to be an adult for this to

work. Perhaps you dreamed of dancing and now your child (10, say) is heavy

into dance not by your prodding.



Can you all help? Email me via private email and include your last name. If

you are in the L.A. (or vicinity) area it's even better...but if not,

that's okay, too.



Thank you in advance for your wonderful help.





Sheri McGregor, mailto:mcgregor@adnc.com

DEAR HEART, Kensington/Zebra Books, September 1999

Happy Campers travel series (scroll down to Attraction Reviews) at:

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