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Subject: [HerbInfo] Fwd: Apothecary's rose

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:59:17 -0500

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The easiest successful way I have found to start rose cuttings is the 

following:

 

 (1) Take a plastic gallon milk jug and cut off the top so there is approx.

 six inches of the bottom part of the jug left.  Take something sharp (I use

 a large nail) and punch a row of holes all the way around the jug 3 inches

 from the bottom.

 

 (2) Fill the bottom three inches of the jug with washed gravel.  Fill the

 rest of the jug almost to the top with sterile potting soil. I like soiless 

 potting  mixes best.

 

 (3)  Make six inch tip cuttings of non blooming plants.  Early spring works

 best but late summer also.  I get 9 out of 10 to root then.  If the plants

 are blooming, I get 5 out of 10 to root successfully.  Blooming takes alot

 out of the plant and it's energies are not focused on vegetative growth.

 

 (4) Pinch out the very end of the top (the growing tip).  Remove the leaves

 from the bottom 3 inches of the shoot and coat this 3 inches with rooting

 hormone powder(available at any garden supply place)..

 

 (5) gently insert the shoot into the soil mix, stopping at the line of

 holes.  You can get 30 or so shoots into one jug.

 

 (6) Water well and place outside under a bush where it gets mostly shade

 and only very early morning or late evening sun. Don't forget it! Water

 every day if it does not rain. The gravel area will hold water, but excess

 will run out the wholes preventing over watering.  If you get rain often,

 this is almost maintenance free.

 

 (7) New growth at the tips is a sign that the plant has rooted.  Cutting

 should be ready to  move to individual pots or garden spot in 8 weeks.

 Don't disturb before then or tiny new roots may be damaged.  If a jug with

 translucent plastic was used you should be able to see roots by 8 weeks.



 Using a jar over cuttings works well to keep the air humid inside during the 

 spring and fall seasons but don't use in the heat of summer.  The temperature 

 inside the glass can rapidly climb to frying even with a tiny bit of sun.  

 The idea is to prevent the plant from loosing moisture through it's leaves 

(respiration) until it has developed enough root to take more in. 



 The above described method works well with any plant which can be rooted, 

 but is particularly suited to plants which take a long time to do so.  I 

 use it for lavenders and scented geraniums all the time.

 

 Happy propagating!

 KB

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Yarrow

From: joanr@mindlink.net

Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 11:25:01 -0700

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Patt Miller wrote:

> The yarrow I planted last year is blooming & it is white.  The stuff I

> have bought in the past is yellow.  Same medicinal properties or did I

> buy the wrong thing? 

> It is really cool here this year.  Must be 10/15/20 degrees cooler than

> usual at this time.  Maybe that causes it?



There are many different varieties of yarrow. The white one (Achillea

millifolium) is the native one (here in B.C.) and I have other varieties like

Paprika - reddish yellow, Summer pastels, Anthea (a pale pale yellow, one of

my favorites), Moonshine (yellow), Cerise Queen I think the name of it is,

bright pink.  The wooly yarrow seems to have disappeared - I think I grew that

one from seed - will have to get some again.  The white one is the "official"

and from the conflicting info I find on yarrow, the white one is the medicinal

one OR the others have medicinal properties too.  So I just use the white

yarrow medicinally.  I am going to put up pictures of my different yarrows

after the summer flowering season. 



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Yarrow

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 11:54:16 -0700

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Hi all,



The yarrow I planted last year is blooming & it is white.  The stuff I

have bought in the past is yellow.  Same medicinal properties or did I

buy the wrong thing?



It is really cool here this year.  Must be 10/15/20 degrees cooler than

usual at this time.  Maybe that causes it?



TIA



Patt

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Yarrow

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:59:10 -0400

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The white one is the medicinal variety.  It grows wild all over California.

 I also grow it.  The red-pinks and the yellow I grow for ornamental.  So,

you bought the right one.  Yarrow is a wonderful herb.  And so easy to

grow.  

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

Sue's Herbals

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Yarrow

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 21:59:35 -0700

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Thanks to all for the info on the Yarrow.  I was really worried.  Now I

feel so much better.



Patt





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Subject: [HerbInfo] Gardening Advice

From: Sapress123@aol.com

Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:05:35 EDT

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Hallo all,



I know you're out there, just busy, right?  :-)  I'm Susanne and I have been 

lurking on this list for about a year and can not even begin to convey how 

much helpful and just plain downright interesting information I've gleaned 

from you.  Normally I really wouldn't want to delurk while it's this quiet 

and then have the gall to ask an off-topic question (sorta!) but here goes 

anyway.



I am about to have a house with a garden.  A pretty large garden, in fact.  

Now while I've cooked with herbs, used herbs medicinally, I've never actually 

grown *anything*. . .  I think I can hear the collective gasp of astonishment!



Now that I've fessed up, could someone direct me to a gardening list, 

preferably organic, that will have patience with questions like: when do I 

need to cut down the geraniums, why isn't my jasmine flowering, how do I sow 

seed, when and how do I fertilize... you get the idea.  All this applies to 

herbs too btw, because I definitely want to have an herb garden.



TIA for any pointers!!

Cheers,

Susanne (looking forward to a new venture)

sapress123@aol.com

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Gardening Advice

From: Darrell & Evonne Benedict <benedict@seanet.com>

Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:45:27 -0700

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Darrell & Evonne Benedict <benedict@seanet.com>



At 09:05 PM 7/3/99 EDT, you wrote:

>

>Now that I've fessed up, could someone direct me to a gardening list, 

>preferably organic, that will have patience with questions like: when do I 

>need to cut down the geraniums, why isn't my jasmine flowering, how do I sow 

>seed, when and how do I fertilize... you get the idea.  All this applies to 

>herbs too btw, because I definitely want to have an herb garden.

>

>TIA for any pointers!!

>Cheers,

>Susanne (looking forward to a new venture)

>sapress123@aol.com



Susanne,

    A great place to start is the Gardenweb Forums

http://www.gardenweb.com/forums

    I have amillion other garden links, here's a few

    http://www.holisticmed.com/www/herbalism.html

    http://www.angelfire.com/ca/traute/herbs.html

    http://www.sharewareplace.com/101/101plant.shtml

    http://www.hortmag.com/

    http://www.wholeherb.com/

    http://pathfinder.com/vg/

    http://www.digthenet.com/

    http://www.taunton.com/fg/_admin/sitesframed.htm

    http://www.helsinki.fi/kmus/bothort.html

    http://homearts.com/affil/gardb/main/plantc1.htm



 these are just a few in no particular order, some may not even work

anymore -- but try them out, you'll be linked to alot of other sites.  To

me the best resource is to talk to as many gardeners in your particular

area about how and what to grow.  Climate is so important, and no one knows

your local climate like a gardener!  Good luck, and feel free to email me

privately if you need any more help!



 Evonne (herb gardening in the rainy Pacific Northwest) 

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Gardening Advice

From: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@juno.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 07:48:45 -0400

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> To me the best resource is to talk to as many gardeners in your

particular

> area about how and what to grow.  Climate is so important, and no one

knows

> your local climate like a gardener! 



YOu may also wish to contact your nearest dept of Agriculture

(city-county) or your extension agent.  Master Gardener classes (and the

volunteer work) are low cost AND extremely informative even if they're

not 100% organic.  (Monsanto has their hand in everything, ya know)  The

programs are usually connected with the state's university

horticulture/agriculture curriculums.



good luck and happy gardening



:::a gardener and a cheap hoe live here:::



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Gardening Advice

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 22:05:12 -0700

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And check out PBS & other stations on the TV.  Rebecca's Garden is

another one, don't remember for sure but it may be CBS.  Some on the

cable stations, Victory Garden always good but more on veggies.



Hints on those that you often don't see elsewhere.



And boy, have you gotten some neat answers. I will be checking all the

sites posted.



And check out gardening mags, especially herb ones like "Herb Companion"

for sites & software too.



Patt





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Gardening Advice

From: ALIST4U Administration <alist4u@alist4u.net>

Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:48:34 -0600 (MDT)

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Sapress123@aol.com asked?



<<SNIP>>



>Now that I've fessed up, could someone direct me to a gardening list, 

>preferably organic, that will have patience with questions like:



Reply:



In looking for lists, one of the best places to look is



http://www.liszt.com



They index about 90,000 lists.  You can search

on any topic.



HTH :)



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Gardening Advice

From: paf@webzone.net

Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:30:22 -0600 (MDT)

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Dear Susanne,

Try this:

(l) Trip to your local library where you'll scarf up all the gardening

books you can carry, esp. those on herb culture.

(2) Subscribe to a serious gardening mag such as Flower & Garden, or

National Gardening.

(3) Phone & trip to your local state Univ. extension office and load up on

all the hand-outs they have available, and corner one of their master

gardeners who will give you experienced help on getting started right.  One

of them may even come to your new house to lay out a plan for how to get

started and how to maintain what's already there.  Don't forget to take a

soil sample to the extension office for analysis.  The cost is minimal;

benefits are great.



Good gardening,

Anita

>Now that I've fessed up, could someone direct me to a gardening list,

>preferably organic, that will have patience with questions like: when do I

>need to cut down the geraniums, why isn't my jasmine flowering, how do I sow

>seed, when and how do I fertilize... you get the idea.  All this applies to

>herbs too btw, because I definitely want to have an herb garden.

>

>TIA for any pointers!!

>Cheers,

>Susanne (looking forward to a new venture)

>sapress123@aol.com



paf@webzone.net





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Subject: [HerbInfo] Mullein

From: Bunny <bunny@blarg.net>

Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 14:13:24 -0700

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I am growing mullein for the first time this year -- does anyone know how

hardy it is in Seattle?  Does it spread?  I know it's biennial; mine is in

the second year (has flowers); for propagation, should I let the flowers go

to seed, or go ahead and harvest the flowers for oil?  I have a greenhouse

that I could use to winter it over; would that be advisable -- does it take

kindly to being dug up and replanted -- or will it likely make it through

the winter in the ground?



Thanks,

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Mullein

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:20:17 -0500

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I also would like a little info on Mullein.  It is supposed to be one of the

wild herbs here in the Ozarks and I thought I had identified several plants.

However, one just bloomed and looks for all the world like a white

hollyhock.  My plant book shows the flowers with a darker center.  Any

thoughts?  One other question, the Plantain is the English Plantain I

believe - though supposedly there are 10 varieties that grow in MO.  Is

there a difference in the medicinal value?  I currently have some infusing

in oil.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Mullein

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 07:38:48 -0700

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>



Hi Listers,



Gee, it's nice to see the list "waking up" after it's long winter nap!



Bunny asked about Mullein growing in the seattle area.  Mullein grows

wild in the Boise area in the hills.  So... I guess it either reseeds or

winters just fine at over 3000 ft, where it gets a lot colder than the

Seattle area.  And that is the sum total of my knowledge of growing

Mullein.  Wouldn't have answered except that you are in my area (well,

sort of).



Patt

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Mullein

From: Pat Creighton <syrinx@axionet.com>

Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:45:12 -0700

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Bunny wrote:



> Posted To HerbInfo By: Bunny <bunny@blarg.net>

>

> I am growing mullein for the first time this year -- does anyone know how

> hardy it is in Seattle?



Mullein grows here in the drier, sandier spots of Greater Vancouver, (Canada),

area and we are quite moist as far as climates go.  We see it growing on

roadsides and reseeding itself year after year.  We past two 'sentinals' of

mullein at the entrance to some stairs in a garden yesterday and they were

looking magnificent - after all the rain and cold weather we have been having,

just like you.



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Subject: [HerbInfo] boneset

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:29:49 -0400

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I'm growing boneset for the first time. I had no idea it would grow so

large. It's a giant and it's a beauty. However, no flowers as yet. Should I

expect flowers the first year?



Also, it's beginning to reach my bergamot, so I need to trim that side

back - should that be OK? I'd hate to hurt it.



Susan H.



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Cayenne & Bugs?

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:29:33 EDT

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Does anyone know if there is a bug that actually LIKES cayenne? I thought 

they hated the stuff, but found bugs in my bottle of cayenne! 



<3

Pari 

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Cayenne & Bugs?

From: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 08:45:09 -0400

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worms are attracted to pepper.

(my da used to tell me pepper killed the worms, but it's exactly

opposite)



even had them in my habeneros.... geez, I want a constitution like that!



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Re:Plantain

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:25:53 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>



YOU WROTE:

One other question, the Plantain is the English Plantain I believe - though

supposedly there are 10 varieties that grow in MO.  Is there a difference

in the medicinal value?  I currently have some infusing in oil.

 

I ADD:

Plantago major AKA broadleaf plantain & probably the one your calling

English plantain

P. lanceolata AKA snake leaved or lance leaved plantain

These are the two used medicinally here in Tennessee, (not native but

naturalized) - both are used interchangably.  Others are not.

 

When discussing plants it is very important to include proper names.

Different areas of the country/world use the same common name for many

different species.  To avoid a costly mistake. please try to always include

botanical name.  Name your varieties and I'll send what info I have.> KB

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re:Plantain

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:33:48 GMT

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>Posted To HerbInfo By: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

>

>I ADD:

>Plantago major AKA broadleaf plantain & probably the one your calling

>English plantain

>P. lanceolata AKA snake leaved or lance leaved plantain

>These are the two used medicinally here in Tennessee, (not native but

>naturalized) - both are used interchangably.  Others are not.



You can use any Plantago sp., leaf or seed, as long as it's feasible to pick

them. Some of the desert species are -really- tiny.



Cheers

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Re:Mullein

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:27:04 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>



YOU WROTE:

I am growing mullein for the first time this year  Does it spread?  I know

it's biennial<snip should I let the flowers go to seed, or go ahead and

harvest the flowers for oil?  <snip>does it take kindly to being dug up and

replanted



 I ADD:

 The mullein most used medicinally is Verbascum thapus.  It is covered with

 a white fuzz on all leaf and stem parts and has sunny yellow flowers.

  Sometimes called flannel flower or rabbit ears.

 

 It is very hardy.  It does not spread except by self seeding.   It is a

 bienniel and will die after completeing it's second season of growth.  Pick

 some of the flowers for use but allow some to ripen seed or you won't have

 any next year.   If you plant some seed every year for two in a row you

 will have some plants in the first cycle and some in the second cycle each

 summer - ensuring a harvest every year.

 

 Mullein has a long tap root and resents being transplanted.  Moving a

 mature plant will more than likely kill it.   You can move small first year

 plants if you are very careful.  They will probably be stunted but will

 mature and produce seed and the new generation will not be stunted.

 

 I have a book which says root cuttings may be made in late winter to

 propagated mullein, but I've never known anyone to have any luck with that.

  Seed is easy.  It will sel sow freely is allowed to do so.

 

 YOU ALSO WROTE:

 <snip> one just bloomed and looks for all the world like a white hollyhock.

  My plant book shows the flowers with a darker center.

 

 I ADD:

Several mulleins have been used medicinally but most have not been well

researched.  The V. thapsus is the only one I use for "ear oil".



If yours has leaves are dark green, not fuzzy and white, this one is

probably V. blattaria   called moth mullein.  It has big white flowers with

a light purple base.  There is also a less common yellow blooming V.

blattaria, but again it doesn't have the white fuzz. The stamens on both

have purplish beards.

 

The above mentioned mullein has yellow flowers.  Or it could be V. densiflorum

also alled large flowered mullein.  This one is good for increasing uric acid

elimination making it useful in releiving gout.

 KB

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re:Mullein

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:34:08 GMT

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Posted To HerbInfo By: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)



On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:27:04 -0500, Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

wrote to herbinfo@alist4u.net:



> I ADD:

>Several mulleins have been used medicinally but most have not been well

>researched.  The V. thapsus is the only one I use for "ear oil".



All Verbascum sp. work, even the purple-flowered ones. Verbascum phlomoides is

actually "the" medicinal mullein. 



Me? I mostly use V. nigrum (dark mullein) or V. thapsus, because those are the

ones that grow wild around these parts. I also use any other pretty mullein

which finds its way into my garden.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re:Mullein

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:24:13 -0700

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Henriette wrote:



<<Me? I mostly use V. nigrum (dark mullein) or V. thapsus, because those

are the

ones that grow wild around these parts. I also use any other pretty

mullein

which finds its way into my garden.>>



Hi Gal,



Got a question.  Seems I read somewhere that wild herbs are usually

"better" to use if available.  Is this so?



TIA



Patt





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re:Mullein

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:40:34 GMT

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Posted To HerbInfo By: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)



Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net> wrote to herbinfo@alist4u.net:



>Henriette wrote:

><<Me? I mostly use V. nigrum (dark mullein) or V. thapsus, because those are the

>ones that grow wild around these parts. I also use any other pretty mullein

>which finds its way into my garden.>>

>

>Got a question.  Seems I read somewhere that wild herbs are usually

>"better" to use if available.  Is this so?



It depends on the plant. Some are stronger when stressed, some are stronger when

fed and watered. Mullein? No discernable difference, as far as I can tell.



Henriette



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Is it too late to sow?

From: Sapress123@aol.com

Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:16:48 EDT

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Hello everyone,

Time for me to ask some of those elementary questions I promised you.  I had 

a look around my new garden today and it's magnificient.  There's only one 

thing missing: herbs.  I have always wanted an herb garden and I think the 

time has arrived for me to grab the bull by the horns...   So, is it too late 

in the year to sow herbs in pots???  I have seed for chives, lemon balm, 

basil, rosemary, sage and a packet of mixed flours for good luck.

Any help at all is appreciated.

Cheers,

Susanne

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Oak Tree Mulch

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:20:31 -0600 (MDT)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



A friend who owns a lumber yard has offered to supply us - at no charge -

with all the mulch we can use.  However, he cuts mostly oak and something in

the back of my mind say the oak mulch leeches something - tannin??? - that

is not good for the plants?  Anyone know?  How about using it between the

rows out in the field??



Thanks for the info on Plantain, which is the Lancelot (sp, my book is

downstairs :) and Mullein - which I'm not sure of.  I guess the plant in

front is just an old hollyhock that appeared from somewhere, and the plants

in the back have the correct leaf structure but don't appear to be putting

forth the tall blossom stem, is looking more of a rosette.  I'm trying to

identify the wild plants here on our property.  I know we have St. Johns

Wort, Bee Balm and Yarrow, prickly pear on the ridge and an sure there are

elder flowers but so much of this stuff is hard to identify.  I probably

need a book which is more specific and has more detail.  Is the wild

chamomile that covers the ground in the spring the same as that we use as an

herb?  Is there any way to tell if it is German or Roman - or is it just a

wild generic :)



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Uses for Lemon Balm

From: Charlotte E Stowers <cstowers1@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:51:59 -0500

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Just wondering if anyone on the list would like to share their favorite

uses for Lemon Balm (fresh or dried).



Thanks in advance!

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Uses for Lemon Balm

From: ferret <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:27:45 -0400 (EDT)

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Lemon balm tea is excellent!  Why don't you try that?  :->



- Ela



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Subject: RE: [HerbInfo] Uses for Lemon Balm

From: "Kim Jarvis" <kimberlyjarvis@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:45:46 -0600 (MDT)

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Kim Jarvis" <kimberlyjarvis@hotmail.com>



I got a few recipes from a friend of mine.  I'll go and see if I can find

them.



Here's one.  This is the recipe as it was given to me.



I used a combination of Lemon Balm and Lemon Verbena leaves.  I also used a

non-hydrogenated spread instead of butter and soymilk instead of cow's milk.

I think it would still taste good using dried leaves but it is SUPERB with

the fresh leaves and juice from a FRESH lemon!



I nuked the glaze for 2 minutes in the microwave before I poured it over the

top of the loaf.



I also didn't sit there grating a lemon - I just threw in what I thought

would be a good amount of dried lemon rind.



Try to get the fresh plants - you can use them for SO MANY things - they are

wonderful and it makes all the difference in this bread!



> Subject: Lemon Balm Quick Bread

>

> Lemon Balm Quick Bread

> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

> 1-cup sugar

> 8 tablespoons butter

> 1/4 cup lemon balm leaves, finely chopped

> 2 large eggs

> 1 1/2 cup all-purpose flour

> 1-teaspoon baking powder

> 1/8-teaspoon salt

> 1/2-cup milk

> Grated rind of one lemon

>

> Grate the lemon peel and remove the juice from the lemon. >Reserve the

juice for the glaze. Cream butter, sugar, and >finely chopped leaves. Add

eggs and beat well to get a smooth >consistency. Add remaining ingredients

(flour through lemon >rind). Pour into one large or four miniature-greased

loaf >pans. Bake at 350 degrees for 40-45 minutes if using a large >pan or

25-30 minutes if using miniature pans.



> Before removing from the pans, use a toothpick to prick holes in the

crust.

> Pour Lemon Balm Glaze over the top while the loaves are still warm.

> Allow cooling completely before removing from the pan. Loaves can be

frozen for later use.

>

> Lemon Balm Glaze

> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  - - - - - - - - - -  -

> - -

> 1/2-cup sugar

> 2 tablespoons finely chopped lemon balm leaves

  Juice from one fresh lemon (about 4 tablespoons)



You've got to try this one!!    Mmmmmmm..............



I forgot!  I also added a pinch of cardamom!





Smiles,

Kim

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Spinach

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:15:46 EDT

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I would like to know about spinach. It contains an ingredient (lutein) which 

is good for the eyes, especially for macular degeneration. I wish to share 

this article I found on aol, but please don't forget to answer my question, 

which I put below it. :)



>>Spinach -- It's Good For Your Eyes



The age-old parental admonition to eat carrots because they're good for your 

eyes should have promoted spinach instead.



Dark green leaves like spinach, collard greens and kale contain lutein and 

zeaxanthin, phytochemicals that may protect your eyes as your age, says the 

current (May) issue of New Choices: Living Even Better After 50. A study 

found that people 55 and over who ate an average of six milligrams of lutein 

a day (a cup of kale contains about 40 milligrams) were about half as likely 

to suffer from macular degeneration, a leading cause of age-related 

blindness, as those who ate fewer greens.



Robert M. Russell, M.D., of the USDA Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging 

at Tufts University agrees that the evidence for this connection is strong. 

"Lutein and zeaxanthin protect plants against damage from ultraviolet 

radiation. Because these substances are highly concentrated in the eye, we 

think they also play a role in protecting eyes from ultraviolet damage."



Russell notes that people who eat spinach can also raise the levels of these 

pigments in the eye. Lutein pills are available in health-food stores, but 

experts remain cautious about their effectiveness. Antonio Capone, M.D., an 

Emory University opthalmologist, tells New Choices, "There simply aren't 

enough data to show whether a pill of concentrated kale nutrients works as 

well as eating kale."<<



I hope that helped someone. Now I have a question.



I have heard spinach also leeches calcium. However, I *heard* uncooked 

spinach does not leach calcium, but this last one I a unsure of. Does anyone 

know if it is true that raw spinach does not leech calcium? 



Just for the record, in India when they cook sak (spinach in ghee) it always 

contains curd. This is to replace the calcium.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Spinach

From: "Annette" <annette@fred.net>

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:12:21 -0400

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Good question about spinach. It is my personal belief that most vegetables

are best used raw, especially spinach. Spinach is high in oxalic acid which

can interfere/bind calcium being utilized. All the benefits in spinach are

in most green leafy vegetables. I strongly believe that the best way to

prevent illness of ANY kind is to juice your veggies everyday. This way you

can consume larger quantities that you ever could whole. Every morning I

juice 4-6 carrots, 1 red delicious apple, a handful of parsley and a handful

of kale. The greens could be interchanged with other leafy veg altho parsley

is an herb and RICH in nutrients to fight macular degeneration, cancer and

other illnesses.

hugs -  annette

> I would like to know about spinach. It contains an ingredient (lutein)

which

> is good for the eyes, especially for macular degeneration. I wish to share

> this article I found on aol, but please don't forget to answer my

question,

> which I put below it. :)

>





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Spinach

From: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:43:32 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@juno.com>



mixing calcium products with spinach is what does not work.

to do such deprives the human body of the iron and minerals in the

spinach d/t the calcium presence.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Spinach

From: "Sno0wl" <sno0wl@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 18:34:25 +0000

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On 13 Jul 99, , LorinGuild wrote:

> mixing calcium products with spinach is what does not work.

> to do such deprives the human body of the iron and minerals in the

> spinach d/t the calcium presence.



Does this mean that creamed spinach is bad for you?

sno0wl

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Spinach

From: "CoraLynn McKelvy" <cmckelvy@usa.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:48:23 -0400

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>

> I have heard spinach also leeches calcium. However, I *heard* uncooked

> spinach does not leach calcium, but this last one I a unsure of. Does

anyone

> know if it is true that raw spinach does not leech calcium?

>

My info is based on feeding exotic pet birds.  We are all cautioned to go

light on feeding spinach to the birds because of the calcium issue.  It is

not that it leaches calcium but that something else (potassium?) that is

required to process the calcium into usable form is tied up by too much

spinach.



CoraLynn

ne TN

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Spinach

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:27:26 EDT

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In a message dated 7/18/99 9:35:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

sno0wl@earthlink.net writes:



<< 

 On 13 Jul 99, , LorinGuild wrote:

 > mixing calcium products with spinach is what does not work.

 > to do such deprives the human body of the iron and minerals in the

 > spinach d/t the calcium presence. >>



Well, calcium always does that. It's a blocker. Good for acid reflux if you 

are trying to get immediate relief from the pain. Can't stop eating calcium. 

:) A bit of those minerals get through.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Spinach

From: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:12:51 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@juno.com>



no, it means that nutritionally, creamed spinach is a waste of time.

personally, I love spanakopita (greek spinach pie, spinach and feta) 

doesn't stop me, just that the calcium and iron ingested do nothing for

the body.  (not to mention spinach quesadillas)  



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Subject: [HerbInfo] What's Toxic, What's Not

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:19:02 EDT

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Parijata2@aol.com



I use to wild craft red clover in the field directly in front of my house, It 

is FILLED with them and brought great joy to me. However, the landlord came 

out with a gas powered lawnmower and mowed a lot of them down. Some are still 

left but I feel they have been exposed to gas toxins and no longer healthy or 

even safe. My husband says that because the landlord has not mowed since that 

time (about a month ago) that the herbs have been cleansed by the fresh air 

and sun (it is a VERY sunny field). I am not so sure, but would love to be 

able to harvest red clover again. Does anyone know?



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] What's Toxic, What's Not

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:30:57 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



What do you do with your red clover?



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] What's Toxic, What's Not

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:20:18 EDT

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In a message dated 7/13/99 5:02:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

oakridge@windo.missouri.org writes:



<< 

 What do you do with your red clover?

  >>



Sell it and drink it. :-) (Though I won't sell any that is contaminated.)



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Spinach/Calcium

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:32:26 EDT

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In a message dated 7/13/99 2:17:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

Parijata2@aol.com writes:



<< Does anyone know if it is true that raw spinach does not leech calcium? >>

Pari,

I'm not quite sure if this info. is helpful but will past it along anyway.

Oxalic acid found in spinach interferes with calcium absorption by binding 

with calcium in the intestines and producing insoluble salts that cannot be 

absorbed. Casual consumption of foods with oxalic acid should not pose a 

problem, but overindulgence in these foods inhibits absorption of calcium. 

(Rx for Nutritional Healing)

Does this mean spinach contains calcium, but the body cannot utilize it if 

eaten in large amounts?

so sorry I can't help with a simple answer. Perhaps Patt will know, she has 

good knowledge of foods and their nutritional content.

take care,

denise

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] re:red clover-What'sToxic, What's Not

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:00:33 EDT

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In a message dated 7/13/99 9:22:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

djlehman@interl.net writes:



<< 

 <<

  What do you do with your red clover?

 

 I would like to add that red clover is an alterative-that is, it will

 gradually restore the proper function of the body and increase health and

 vitality.  It can be used in treating coughs and bronchitis, because of its

 expectorant actions.  It is especially useful to children.  1-3 tsp. of the

 dried herb in one cup boiling water, left to infuse for 10-15 min. should

 be drunk 3 times a day.

 

  >>



RED CLOVER - These flower heads are reputed to purify the blood as well as 

reduce cysts and tumors. Some have said that while on chemotherapy it may 

help reduce nausea and slow loss of hair. Also known as glandular restorer, 

contains silica and other earthy salts. Good for inflamed lungs, whooping 

cough, arthritis and nerves. In addition, it is phytoestrogenic. Soy contains 

two isoflavones, red clover is one of the few plants which has all four 

isoflavones.



Protects liver cells and cells in other organs from oxidation damage. (Could 

be caused by any number of things, including rancid fats that can throw off 

free radicals and attack the DNA of cells thereby causing mutations that 

could conceivably lead to cancer.) Red clover is rejuvenation, longevity, 

glandular restorer. 



See my web pgae for more info on it.

 <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/parijata2/page3/index.htm">Red Clover</A> 

http://hometown.aol.com/parijata2/page3/index.htm 



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Subject: [HerbInfo] re:red clover-What'sToxic, What's Not

From: djlehman@interl.net (Darren & Jenni Lehman)

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:24:10 -0600

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In a message dated 7/13/99 5:02:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

oakridge@windo.missouri.org writes:



<<

 What do you do with your red clover?



I would like to add that red clover is an alterative-that is, it will

gradually restore the proper function of the body and increase health and

vitality.  It can be used in treating coughs and bronchitis, because of its

expectorant actions.  It is especially useful to children.  1-3 tsp. of the

dried herb in one cup boiling water, left to infuse for 10-15 min. should

be drunk 3 times a day.





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From: JulieReneB@aol.com

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:20:19 EDT

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I am wondering how to identify red clover w/ a certainty.  I have a lot of 

wild clover growing in my yard, large, with deep lavender flowers.  In 

Richter's catalogue, the pic accompanying the "Red Clover" paragraph looks 

very much the same shade as what I have, but I never know how true to colour 

photos are.  Do other varieties of clover have the same medicinal attributes? 

 Are any toxic?  Is there a good way to identify the "red clover"?  Are its 

blooms truly red?



Thanks -- 



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From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:09:36 GMT

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On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:20:19 EDT, JulieReneB@aol.com wrote to

herbinfo@alist4u.net:



>I am wondering how to identify red clover w/ a certainty.  I have a lot of 

>wild clover growing in my yard, large, with deep lavender flowers.  In 

>Richter's catalogue, the pic accompanying the "Red Clover" paragraph looks 

>very much the same shade as what I have, but I never know how true to colour 

>photos are.  Do other varieties of clover have the same medicinal attributes? 

> Are any toxic?  



Not that I know of.



>Is there a good way to identify the "red clover"?  Are its 

>blooms truly red?



You could find a botanical tome and start comparing things.



I use Trifolium pratense and Trifolium medium interchangeably. These two

hybridize; one is native, the other imported. They grow in similar spots, ie.

more or less moist sunny meadows and forest glades.



It's difficult to tell them apart if you don't look at the leaf; one has a white

mark (T. pratense), the other doesn't.



I've a closeup of T. pratense in flower online here:

http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/sf-z/trifpra1.jpg - you can clearly see

the white mark on the leaf.

And here's a pic of a flowering patch:

http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/sf-z/trifprat.jpg



These pics are quite close to actual, at least on my screen.



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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:47:12 -0700

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Hiya folks!



Anybody have a good herbal for head lice?





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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:02:31 -0600

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Best one around is an old remedy(remedies), Olive oil,    you can add

eucalyptus and other repellants, but be cautious if you have allergies,

...comb oil through the hair, leave on 10 min to half hour , depending on

how severe, if you have body lice, coat body( sit on non cloth chair until

ready to shower, (remember to wash clothing and bedding in extremely hot

water and use hot dryer, and spray mattresses,and chairs, even car

seats....use a nit comb, metal ones have closer teeth, and can be boiled and

reused.  wash hair with regular dish soap(not ultra dishsoap),use vinigar as

a a rinse to remove the rest of oil residue, repeat in 3-5 days,(vinigar

loosens the cement that holds the nits the the hair shaft)...you can also

use mineral oil.    The olive oil treatment is recommended in schools now

because headlice have become resistant to rid and rid like products...check

out lice.org or do a search on headlice, you will see a lot of interesting

info....we have been using oil at the headstart school, because it has no

side effects and has been the most effective.





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From: "Sno0wl" <sno0wl@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:17:50 -0600 (MDT)

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On 13 Jul 99, , DriftwoodDave wrote:



> 

> Posted To HerbInfo By: DriftwoodDave & Starwomyn <ejvdwp@js-net.com>

> 

> Hiya folks!

> 

> Anybody have a good herbal for head lice?



I have used a pet shampoo containing Neem to control fleas and other critters on my 

dogs. The pet shop owner tells me that he sells lots of it to parents of school children 

who are having problems with lice, and that it is most uncommonly succesful in 

dealing with the problem.



There is a Neem website where you can get more information about this useful Indian 

herb leaf. I'm sure you can find it by just typing <Neem> (without the brackets)  into 

> into your browers search engine.



The name of the product I use is Tropiclean Neem Citrus Natural Shampoo. It comes 

from TropiClean, a division of Cosmos Corp., St. Peters, MO 63376.

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From: Lori Crouch <lcrouch@Ag.Arizona.Edu>

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:17:43 -0700 (MST)

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DriftwoodeDave and Starwoman requested a remedy for head lice.  The

following was posted last October:



rom: "Wendy Vardy" <wvardy@bconnex.net>

To: <herbinfo@Majordomo.net>

Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] head lice

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:38:20 -0400



Posted To HerbInfo By: "Wendy Vardy" <wvardy@bconnex.net>



>I need information on combatting head lice without chemicals!

>Thanks,  Nell



Hi Nell



I can help!



2 oz of mineral oil

2 oz of vinegar

shake

pour on head and rub in.  Let sit for 1 hour.  Place plastic shower cap or

plastic wrap on the head and let sit for 1 hour more.  Wash hair as usual.



This worked for both my girls last year, combined with those combs with

the

fine teeth.

plus the girls loved the shower caps!  Maybe a plain white one they can

use

their bath crayons on......



We had a strain of lice last year that was immune to the expensive

shampoos.....



Good luck!



Wendy

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From: "Annette" <annette@fred.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:30:28 -0400

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Does anyone have herbal advice for de-toxing mercury? I decided against

using a holistic dentist because I have a mouthful of dental work and am

confident in my regular dentist. I just had a crown put in which required

the removal of a large amalgam so I am sure I am full of mercury! I have

used my supplements, juicing etc but wonder what herbs would be good? I do

have a bag of Essiac tea which I am thinking of brewing up which may help.

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From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:50:19 -0400

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@alist4u.net

>Does anyone have herbal advice for de-toxing mercury?<



Ryan Drum recommends eating lots of overcooked oatmeal.  To the point where

it is dried up it's a polymer pectin that binds up metals and passes them

out of the body like seaweeds.  The seaweeds to eat would be kelp ( brown )

or red ( sp? Keragenin) at 1-5 grams a day.  They both pick up metallic

irons and bind with them to pass them out of the body.  Garlic is good for

taking lead ( I assume all metals ) out of your body and flush it out. 

Also drink alot ( alot ) of purified water.  Aggressive dry brushing of the

skin and 15-20 min. dry sauna ( over 150 degrees) to get the dander off the

skin.  ( Make sure you drink water for 8-10 hrs ).  Every 3-6 weeks the

skin replaces itself.  Another way to expell toxins.  Also drinking yarrow

tea opens you up and calms you down and makes you sweat in the sauna.  Hope

some of this helps.

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

Sue's Herbals

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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:29:52 EDT

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@alist4u.net

>Does anyone have herbal advice for de-toxing mercury?<



Subj:	 NUTR: Heavy Metals Detoxification - Chelation



Source: Alternatives



Date:  June 1998,  pages 91 - 92



Publisher: Mountain Home Publishing



ISSN: 0893-5025



Author: David G. Williams, DC



Title: The Poor Man's Chelation Therapy



         There's nothing I like more than learning about inexpensive,

common herbs or spices that exhibit unusual healing properties.

Historically, the use of herbs and spices in cooking evolved as a method to

preserve foods and make them safer to store and eat. While we've grown

accustomed to using these items to enhanced or accentuate flavors of food,

researchers continue to discover that they have much more to offer

than just good taste. A recent example involves the work of Dr. Yoshiaki

Omura.



         Dr. Omura recently informed us that he discovered almost by

accident, that the leaves of the coriander plant can accelerate the

excretion of mercury, lead and aluminum from the body. He had been

treating several patients for an eye infection called trachoma

(granular conjunctivitis), which is caused by the micro-organism

Chlamydia trachomatis. Following the standard treatment with

antibiotics. Dr. Omura found that the patients' symptoms would clear

up initially, then recur within a few month. He experienced similar 

difficulties in treating viral related problems like Herpes Simplex

types I & II and Cytomegalovirus infection.



Cilantro Helps Flush Out Heavy Metals



   After taking a closer look, Dr. Omura found those organisms seemed

to hide and flourish in area of the body where there were

concentrations of heavy metals like mercury, lead and aluminum.

Somehow the organicism were able to  use the toxic metals to

protect themselves from the antibiotics.



         It just so happens that while he was testing for those

metals, Dr. Omura noticed the mercury level in the urine increased after one

consumed a healthy serving of Vietnamese soup. The soup contains

Chinese parsley, or it is better known in this country, cilantro. (Some of

you may also know it as coriander, since it comes form the leaves of the

coriander plant.)



     Further testing revealed that eating cilantro also increased

urinary excretion of lead and aluminum. And when cilantro was used

concurrently with antibiotics or natural anti-viral agents and/ or

fatty acids like EPA with D.A., the above infection could be

eliminated for good. (Acupnct Electrother Res. 95:20 (3-4): 195-229.)



Dr. Omura has made a remarkable discovery. He's found a novel

technique which greatly increases our ability to clear up recurring infections

both viral and bacterial. And perhaps more exciting, he's discovered

an inexpensive, easy way to remove (or "chelate") toxic metals from the

nervous system and body tissue - one that anybody can use.





This is Great News for Amalgam Sufferers



        Chelation therapy using chemicals like EDTA has long been

used to help remove these heavy metals, but cilantro is the only natural

substance I'M aware of that has demonstrated this ability. This will become

news for people suffering from the ill effect of amalgam dental fillings,

which contains approximately 50% mercury.



         Dr. Omura recently performed another study in which three

amalgam filling where removed from an individual using all of the

precautions available to prevent absorption of the mercury from the amalgam.

Even with strong air and water suction, water rinses, and a rubber dental

dam, significant amounts of mercury were later found in the

individual's lungs, kidneys,, endocrine organs, liver and heart. There was no

mercury in these tissue prior to the amalgam removal.



Remarkably, without the help of any chelation agents, cilantro  was

able to remove the mercury in two to three weeks. (Acupunct  Electrother

Res 96;21 (2): 133-60.)



Since some of the patients didn't like the taste of fresh

cilantro, Dr. Omura had a pharmaceutical company create a 100 mg

cilantro tablet. In the above dental study, one tablet was taken four times a 

day. As of yet, I haven't been able to find a tested commercial tablet of

cilantro. It is believed that the active component in cilantro are

easily destroyed during processing. For this reason, I recommend

sticking to fresh herb. It can be eaten raw in soup or salad, on tacos,

or as garnish with practically any dish.



Recipe for Cilantro Pesto (Make That "Chelation Pesto")



         I would think it should also work if the cilantro were

juiced, but perhaps the easiest and tastiest way to use the herb would be as

the main ingredient in a home made pesto sauce. You can start with the

basic recipe below and add other nuts and spices to suite your taste.



                         Cilantro Pesto

                         1 clove of garlic

                         1/2 cup of almonds, cashews, or other nuts

                         1 cup packed fresh cilantro leaves

                         2 tablespoons lemon juice

                         6 tablespoons olive oil



Put the cilantro and olive oil in blender and process until the

cilantro  is chopped. Add the rest of the ingredients and process to a lumpy

past. (You may need to add a touch of hot water and scrape the sides of

the blender.) You can change the consistency by altering the amount of

olive oil and lemon juice, but keep the 3:1 ratio of oil to juice. (If

freezes well, so you can make several batches at once.)



         In light of the ever-worsening quality of our water and soil

and the widespread use of metals in everyday items like deodorant and

cans, I would seriously suspect that all of us have some toxic metals in our

 body. And unless they are carried out by a chelating agent, things

like lead, aluminum and mercury remain in the body forever. Besides

associated with arthritic condition, depression, muscle pain and

weakness, memory loss and deterioration, and maybe even Alzheimer's

disease.



         Summer's here and cilantro is readily available across the

country. It is very popular herb in Mexican cooking, and due to

their large   Mexican populations is easy to find anywhere from

Texas to California. In other areas, you may need to visit an Oriental market 

or specialty supermarket, (Remember, it's also called Chinese parsley.)



         I would highly recommend that you take advantage of this

"poor man's chelation treatment". I'm in the process of doing it now my

shelf and intend to do so at least once or twice a year from now on. All it

takes is adding fresh cilantro to your everyday foods or eating a couple

teaspoons of cilantro pesto a day for two or three weeks; either

will give the dose Dr. Omura used in his research. Judging by the price

around here, that means you'd be spending less than a dollar for two

 weeks of cleansing! Of course, if you really don't like cilantro,

you can always spend a thousands times that much on a series of

intravenous chelation treatments...



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From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:18:18 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



Wondering what everyone does with their herbs, even with an abundance of

insects, destructive moles, mildew and rust I have a huge crop this year.  I

swear within 24 hours you can't even see where I harvested the plants.



I'm basically a very healthy person and there is only so much salve, infused

oils, teas etc one can use.

Jan Flood  oakridge@windo.missouri.org

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From: "Jan Schmidt" <jans@rnet.com>

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:34:10 -0500

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Jan,

 I dry my herbs and use them in milk baths, bath teas and my soaps. Can make

hanging bundles for decoration, take to farmer's market or swap with someone

who does not have the abundance that you do.

How is that for ideas?? LOL

Jan S.

Sweet Prairie Soap Co.

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From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:38:19 -0700

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Jan wrote:



<<Wondering what everyone does with their herbs, even with an abundance

of

insects, destructive moles, <snip>



I dry a lot of mine for culinary use.  Paper bags with holes punched in,

rubber band around stems, clipped under the patio cover till dry.



And on the Spinach.  I haven't been able to find anything on it and I'll

be darned if I can remember anything either.  I do know that when I was

super sick, the Naturopath put it on the no-no list.. along with many,

many other things.  I'll keep looking.



Patt

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From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:29:44 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



<<So, Jan, put them in the compost pile.  They certainly aren't wasted

then.:))>>



Very true! :)



Just read Comfrey is good for horses - though it specified the Canadian

Comfrey, what is  the difference?  Thinking of giving some of the excess

comfrey leaves to the horses - along with their hay.



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From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:50:31 -0400

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Jan asked what to do with extra herbs from the season harvest.

Herbs and herbal products make wonderful gifts.  Packaged up in nice

containers and with pretty ribbons they are very nice for family and

friends.  Cheers,Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:19:55 -0500

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At 1:18 PM -0500 7/14/99, Jan Flood wrote:

>Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

>

>Wondering what everyone does with their herbs, even with an abundance of

>insects, destructive moles, mildew and rust I have a huge crop this year.  I

>swear within 24 hours you can't even see where I harvested the plants.



Advertise your herbs in your local newspaper; you may meet some other herb

enthusiasts that way and make a few bucks.

-Anita





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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:27:58 EDT

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In a message dated 7/21/99 9:19:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paf@connix.com 

writes:



<< destructive moles >>

how to get rid of them, rabbits and groundhogs?

i'm hoping there are not too many animal rights activists within this group

they have all but destroyed my tomato, watermelon, peppers, zucchini, 

cucumber, herbs and flowers,.......

(sadly hanging head down walking away feeling defeated......)

Annamaria

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Herb harvest

From: Carol Ellis <farmgal@madre.com>

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:33:18 -0700

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Rabbits may respond to a cayenne pepper or nicotine based repellent. As

for gophers, I usually resort to having to trap them (Macabee traps,

yes, it kills them). I don't like it, but I've lost 3 year old apple

trees and prized roses. They can down 'em so fast it looks like a

cartoon!

Good luck!

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Herb harvest

From: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:14:32 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@juno.com>



moles are NOT your enemy, the VOLES are.

voles eat the roots and tender growth of plants.  Moles (still slightly

destructive) are such because they burrow (aeriating) looking for grubs

(japanese beetle larvae)



they look almost similar, but be careful in ridding them.  Cats that eat

poisoned varmits themselves become poisoned.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Herb harvest

From: AMChismar@aol.com

Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:00:58 EDT

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In a message dated 7/22/99 10:29:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

woodwitch@juno.com writes:



<< moles are NOT your enemy, the VOLES are.

 voles eat the roots and tender growth of plants.  Moles (still slightly

 destructive) are such because they burrow (aeriating) looking for grubs

 (japanese beetle larvae)

  >>

Never heard of voles but they sound like vermin i'd like to rid my garden 

of--i did'nt have anything to put on the plants cayenne/nicotine 

based(bummer)so i just got my bottle of cayenne pepper out and started 

sprinkling, but i was too late they had chewed ALL but a few of the leaves 

off my watermelon plants off and were also very busy with the tomato plants.  

I'm really bummed.  I hate rabbits with a vengeance, even cute young 

ones--all that teenage angst that never got expelled is trying to find an 

outlet and i think it's the animals eating my plants!  I'm going to wait 

until dark and put on my camoflage(sp?) and darken my face and wait with a 

slingshot!!!!  We are on a water restriction as well, so i have to wait til 

dark to water anyway!!!

On the edge....

Annamaria

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Herb harvest

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:51:13 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



>>Cats that eat poisoned varmits themselves become poisoned.



...and now you know why I have so many destructive moles, voles, critters.

SW Missouri is especially blessed this year with an abundance of these

critters.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Herb harvest

From: mal-swamp@juno.com

Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:26:52 -0400

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Extra Herbs...we would share these in our Herb Clubs (Springfield, MO and

Marshfield, MO) that way if I had an abundance I could share and pick up

things I didn't have. We do that with plants and cuttings also.

Marcia

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Re:Lemon  Balm

From: "Kaj Dorstenia" <kaj.dorstenia@get2net.dk>

Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:57:31 +0200

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Kaj Dorstenia" <kaj.dorstenia@get2net.dk>



Ela and all Listmembers,



<Lemon balm tea is excellent! Why dont you try that?



Yes, surely I often try Balm, fresh or dried and pure.

But I also somtimes make a mixture of Lemon Balm

and the two species of Mentha: M. piperita and M. crispa

(sorry I dont know what they are called in english). It

has a fine taste and flavor, and for me it is a delightly stimulant.



But I still think that pure dried leaves of lemon-grass

(Cymbopogon citratus) gives the best lemon-flavor

and -taste, but it is not so stimulant.



Best regards



Kaj

Copenhagen

Denmark





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Subject: [HerbInfo] Chamomile

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:50:41 -0400

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Hi, Probably the chamomile that is crawling all around is the Roman variety

( roaming ).  It is good for the skin.  Each chamomile is used for

different things.  One thing that is wonderful is if you have a big patch

of it ( or can create one ) is to put a bench or chair by it so you can run

your feet in it.  That is a wonderful experience.  Cheers,

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

Sue's Herbals

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Subject: [HerbInfo] About 500 kB of King's online now

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 22:18:42 GMT

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Posted To HerbInfo By: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)



The first bits from King's 'mercan Dispensatory can be found here:



http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/eclectic/kings/main.html



I'll be adding to it every now and then. Fascinating tidbits. 

(If you know anybody who has been scanning and OCR'ing King's for their own

pleasure, please let me know.)



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: [HerbInfo] URL for Herb Companion

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:09:51 -0700

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>



Recently got my Sept. issue but didn't notice this till today.



www.discoverherbs.com



Haven't even checked it out myself yet but gal from out of the country

asked about this sort of stuff mo or so ago.  Sure hope she sees this.



It is for both Companion &

for "Herbs for Health".



Patt

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Equine Herbologists?

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 10:11:38 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>



Planting some of the invasive herbs in areas that are weed problems - hope

to at least get some enjoyment and they can be mowed down once or twice a

summer.  Other than anything that is dangerous to humans, is there anything

that is dangerous to horses?  They feel anything on the other side of the

fence will always taste better.  So far, put out bee balm, lemon balm &

mints.



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Subject: [HerbInfo] cilantro

From: "Sno0wl" <sno0wl@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:52:20 +0000

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I think it was on this list that someone was talking about cilantro and posted a recipe 

for a cilantro pesto. It was exactly what I was looking for--and I seem to have lost it. 

Could you repost it pleeeeze....



TIA





sno0wl

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:34:54 EDT

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In a message dated 7/21/99 11:52:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

sno0wl@earthlink.net writes:



<< 

 

 Posted To HerbInfo By: "Sno0wl" <sno0wl@earthlink.net>

 

 I think it was on this list that someone was talking about cilantro and 

posted a recipe 

 for a cilantro pesto. It was exactly what I was looking for--and I seem to 

have lost it. 

 Could you repost it pleeeeze....

 

 TIA

  >>



Hi Sno! 



It was me, along with info on how cilantro is natural chelation of heavy 

metals. Here is the info again, along with the recipe.  :)

**********************

Subj:	 NUTR: Heavy Metals Detoxification - Chelation



Source: Alternatives



Date:  June 1998,  pages 91 - 92



Publisher: Mountain Home Publishing



ISSN: 0893-5025



Author: David G. Williams, DC



Title: The Poor Man's Chelation Therapy



         There's nothing I like more than learning about inexpensive,

common herbs or spices that exhibit unusual healing properties.

Historically, the use of herbs and spices in cooking evolved as a method to

preserve foods and make them safer to store and eat. While we've grown

accustomed to using these items to enhanced or accentuate flavors of food,

researchers continue to discover that they have much more to offer

than just good taste. A recent example involves the work of Dr. Yoshiaki

Omura.



         Dr. Omura recently informed us that he discovered almost by

accident, that the leaves of the coriander plant can accelerate the

excretion of mercury, lead and aluminum from the body. He had been

treating several patients for an eye infection called trachoma

(granular conjunctivitis), which is caused by the micro-organism

Chlamydia trachomatis. Following the standard treatment with

antibiotics. Dr. Omura found that the patients' symptoms would clear

up initially, then recur within a few month. He experienced similar 

difficulties in treating viral related problems like Herpes Simplex

types I & II and Cytomegalovirus infection.



Cilantro Helps Flush Out Heavy Metals



   After taking a closer look, Dr. Omura found those organisms seemed

to hide and flourish in area of the body where there were

concentrations of heavy metals like mercury, lead and aluminum.

Somehow the organicism were able to  use the toxic metals to

protect themselves from the antibiotics.



         It just so happens that while he was testing for those

metals, Dr. Omura noticed the mercury level in the urine increased after one

consumed a healthy serving of Vietnamese soup. The soup contains

Chinese parsley, or it is better known in this country, cilantro. (Some of

you may also know it as coriander, since it comes form the leaves of the

coriander plant.)



     Further testing revealed that eating cilantro also increased

urinary excretion of lead and aluminum. And when cilantro was used

concurrently with antibiotics or natural anti-viral agents and/ or

fatty acids like EPA with D.A., the above infection could be

eliminated for good. (Acupnct Electrother Res. 95:20 (3-4): 195-229.)



Dr. Omura has made a remarkable discovery. He's found a novel

technique which greatly increases our ability to clear up recurring infections

both viral and bacterial. And perhaps more exciting, he's discovered

an inexpensive, easy way to remove (or "chelate") toxic metals from the

nervous system and body tissue - one that anybody can use.





This is Great News for Amalgam Sufferers



        Chelation therapy using chemicals like EDTA has long been

used to help remove these heavy metals, but cilantro is the only natural

substance I'M aware of that has demonstrated this ability. This will become

news for people suffering from the ill effect of amalgam dental fillings,

which contains approximately 50% mercury.



         Dr. Omura recently performed another study in which three

amalgam filling where removed from an individual using all of the

precautions available to prevent absorption of the mercury from the amalgam.

Even with strong air and water suction, water rinses, and a rubber dental

dam, significant amounts of mercury were later found in the

individual's lungs, kidneys,, endocrine organs, liver and heart. There was no

mercury in these tissue prior to the amalgam removal.



Remarkably, without the help of any chelation agents, cilantro  was

able to remove the mercury in two to three weeks. (Acupunct  Electrother

Res 96;21 (2): 133-60.)



Since some of the patients didn't like the taste of fresh

cilantro, Dr. Omura had a pharmaceutical company create a 100 mg

cilantro tablet. In the above dental study, one tablet was taken four times a 

day. As of yet, I haven't been able to find a tested commercial tablet of

cilantro. It is believed that the active component in cilantro are

easily destroyed during processing. For this reason, I recommend

sticking to fresh herb. It can be eaten raw in soup or salad, on tacos,

or as garnish with practically any dish.



Recipe for Cilantro Pesto (Make That "Chelation Pesto")



         I would think it should also work if the cilantro were

juiced, but perhaps the easiest and tastiest way to use the herb would be as

the main ingredient in a home made pesto sauce. You can start with the

basic recipe below and add other nuts and spices to suite your taste.



                         Cilantro Pesto

                         1 clove of garlic

                         1/2 cup of almonds, cashews, or other nuts

                         1 cup packed fresh cilantro leaves

                         2 tablespoons lemon juice

                         6 tablespoons olive oil



Put the cilantro and olive oil in blender and process until the

cilantro  is chopped. Add the rest of the ingredients and process to a lumpy

past. (You may need to add a touch of hot water and scrape the sides of

the blender.) You can change the consistency by altering the amount of

olive oil and lemon juice, but keep the 3:1 ratio of oil to juice. (If

freezes well, so you can make several batches at once.)



         In light of the ever-worsening quality of our water and soil

and the widespread use of metals in everyday items like deodorant and

cans, I would seriously suspect that all of us have some toxic metals in our

 body. And unless they are carried out by a chelating agent, things

like lead, aluminum and mercury remain in the body forever. Besides

associated with arthritic condition, depression, muscle pain and

weakness, memory loss and deterioration, and maybe even Alzheimer's

disease.



         Summer's here and cilantro is readily available across the

country. It is very popular herb in Mexican cooking, and due to

their large   Mexican populations is easy to find anywhere from

Texas to California. In other areas, you may need to visit an Oriental market 

or specialty supermarket, (Remember, it's also called Chinese parsley.)



         I would highly recommend that you take advantage of this

"poor man's chelation treatment". I'm in the process of doing it now my

shelf and intend to do so at least once or twice a year from now on. All it

takes is adding fresh cilantro to your everyday foods or eating a couple

teaspoons of cilantro pesto a day for two or three weeks; either

will give the dose Dr. Omura used in his research. Judging by the price

around here, that means you'd be spending less than a dollar for two

 weeks of cleansing! Of course, if you really don't like cilantro,

you can always spend a thousands times that much on a series of

intravenous chelation treatments...

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] cilantro

From: "Sno0wl" <sno0wl@earthlink.net>

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:18:19 +0000

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Thanks so much !!!



I had bought a terrific cilantro pesto made by Instant India....but can't seem to find that 

anymore. I tried to duplicate it and did get close. But really wanted to try your recipe.





sno0wl

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Yarrow, Red clover, and cone flower usage

From: "gardenthyme~lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:35:44 -0500

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>This bounced a couple of time, because I didn't delete everything else I

guess.  If anyone has any answers to this, I'd appreciate it.  Also didn't

someone mention making Cone Flower tincture and using the flowers and leaves

instead of the root??  Can I do that?

>Just wondering how exactly to use Yarrow?  Do you dry it and use it in

teas,

>freeze it or does it need to be made into a tincture?  What dosage do you

>use, also?

>I found some red (pink?) clover in a field by work, there's a lot of it,

>however I have the same question regarding it.  Do I dry it and use it for

>teas, freeze it, or make a tincture with it?>The dosage question applies

>here too.

>I appreciate all the helpful tips from this list.  I've been picking,

>freezing and drying my herbs like crazy.  I caught my cilantro just before

>bolting, and froze it.  Thanks for the interesting info on that herb.  Who

>would have thought it had the properties to clear metals from your blood!

>I'm willing to try it, and hope my husband will too.  He works at a

printing

>company and you can imagine the chemicals he comes into contact with.

>Thanks again!

>Dee (The Gardenthyme~Lady)

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Yarrow, Red clover, and cone flower usage

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:53:30 EDT

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In a message dated 7/22/99 7:41:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

dblan@netusa1.net writes:



<< If anyone has any answers to this, I'd appreciate it.  Also didn't

 someone mention making Cone Flower tincture and using the flowers and leaves

 instead of the root??  Can I do that?

 >Just wondering how exactly to use Yarrow?  Do you dry it and use it in

 teas, >>

Hi,

I'm certain these sites will answer all of your questions.

good luck,

denise

Henriette's Herbal Homepage

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/

Michael Moore - SW School of Botanical Medici...

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

Botanical.com Home Page

http://www.botanical.com/index.html

Medherb.com from Medical Herbalism

http://medherb.com/

Michael Tierra's Planetary Herbology, Acupunc...

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From: "P. Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:56:57 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "P. Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>



 Cone Flower tincture and using the flowers and leaves

instead of the root??  Can I do that?

I did it using glycerine and slow boiling the ground up flowers for a

long time. Last year I did the alcohol tincture way. I thing fresh new

flowers is what to use. pn



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From: "gardenthyme~lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:28:46 -0500

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Don't they smell wonderful; almost like a rose.  I almost missed out on

them, as they are fading fast.  I think I was able to get some viable ones

and I cut the rest off in the hope they will bloom again.  Those herbs, they

just won't wait will they!  I'm going to try to remember to write down when

they're at their peak so next year I don't miss it.  Thanks for the info.

Dee





-> Cone Flower tincture and using the flowers and leaves

>instead of the root??  Can I do that?

>I did it using glycerine and slow boiling the ground up flowers for a

>long time. Last year I did the alcohol tincture way. I thing fresh new

>flowers is what to use. pn

>





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Destructive Critters

From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:28:45 EDT

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In a message dated 7/22/99 8:29:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

AMChismar@aol.com writes:



<< << destructive moles >>

 how to get rid of them, rabbits and groundhogs? >>



Hi,

I have the garden fenced with wire mesh small enough that the rabbits can't 

squeeze through. To protect the other plants not fenced, I plant small 

bunches of red clover through out, the rabbits eat the field clover and leave 

everything else alone.  

To date we have not been bothered by moles, but my Dad used to trap them. We 

do have Voles but I've been lucky, my kids corner and catch them, then we 

take them to the open pastures near our home and release them. 

As for the Ground hogs ... my Father in law lives on a farm near by and we 

don't like to think about how he deals with them.

Most critters, bugs ect ... do not like hot stuff, try spraying their burrows 

with a cayenne pepper spray. Our local plant nursery also sells a multitude 

of animal scent repellents, can't tell you if they work though.

good luck,

denise

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:18:38 -0600

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Someone recently asked what to do with all the extra herbs.  Press and dry

them!  They make excellent pictures when matted and framed.  Also, cards

can be made for this winter when the plants will be a happy sight by

friends to whom the cards are given.  I've made several from Lady's mantle,

dill, bugloss, parsley, thyme, etc.  They are so beautiful.





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Subject: [HerbInfo] Smoking Cessation

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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:04:38 +0000

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Hello to all,

Con anyone help me find herbal tea/bath/smoking blends which help people with smoking 

cessation???

Thank you!!!

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From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:33:13 -0700

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Leticia wrote:



<<Hello to all,

Con anyone help me find herbal tea/bath/smoking blends which help people

with smoking 

cessation???

Thank you!!!>>



Hi,



I attempted to quit several years ago & was successful for 1 whole month

without any physical withdrawal pangs using a product I found at the

health food store.  Gonna have to get serious & do it again, for good

this time & haven't had time to look yet but betcha we can find

something already bottled that would give a start for if you want to

make your own too.



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What is tenin?



We are doing some work with Arnica(anole)

and are intrested to undersrtand the effective

materials, which consist this plant.









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>Posted To HerbInfo By: "joseph tany" <yosyama@hotmail.com>

>

>What is tenin?

>

>We are doing some work with Arnica(anole)

>and are intrested to undersrtand the effective

>materials, which consist this plant.

>

>

Tannins cause an astringents action-they contract proteins and can reduce

secretions and discharges.  Because of the tannins it contains, Arnica can

be used for pain  and inflammation, as long as the skin is not broken.  Do

NOT take internally, except in a homeopathic preparation.





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Subject: [HerbInfo] drying

From: diane downs <rdowns@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:23:00 -0700

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hi everybody,

sure is quite must be outside working on herbs. i have a couple of

question to ask about drying flowers. i'm dry calendula, do you use only

the petals what about the center part?

Also i'm drying chamomile, do you use the whole flower?

i will be using them in teas, salve, tinctures and creams.

thanks

diane



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Subject: [HerbInfo] drying

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:40:12 -0400

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With your calendula and chamomile you just clip off the whole flower when

it is dry, during the heat of the day.  I set them in many large flat

baskets one layer thick so they can dry in my herb room.  They are the very

easiest to dry.  You use the whole flower head from each of them.  After

they are completely dry, I store them in large glass jars until they are

used to make calendula oil or in a tea blend or maybe a salve.

Yes, I think we all are out in our gardens.  I know that I have been

spending 4-6 hours out there a day.  We have had very nice 80 degree

weather so my calendula is still producing.  It is usually dried up by the

first of June.  Everything in the garden looks so good because they are so

happy that they are not getting scorched from the California valley sun.  I

am happy I'm not getting scorched either.    Happy gardening!  

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:22:08 -0500

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>>they are so happy that they are not getting scorched from the California

valley sun



Down here in the Ozarks, we have had 100 degree weather with high humidity

for over two weeks straight.  In CA it seems they were toasted by the heat

and hot winds - here they are steamed on the vine :)  Wonder if there is

really a happy medium anywhere?



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>and hot winds - here they are steamed on the vine :)  Wonder if there is

>really a happy medium anywhere?

>

The weeds and grass in my garden here in Middle TN seem happy, everything

else is roasted.

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Chamomile_ use whole flower and calendula just the petals.

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Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:15 PM

Subject: [HerbInfo] drying





>

>Posted To HerbInfo By: diane downs <rdowns@ix.netcom.com>

>

>hi everybody,

>sure is quite must be outside working on herbs. i have a couple of

>question to ask about drying flowers. i'm dry calendula, do you use only

>the petals what about the center part?

>Also i'm drying chamomile, do you use the whole flower?

>i will be using them in teas, salve, tinctures and creams.

>thanks

>diane

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:26:22 -0400

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@alist4u.net

>Chamomile_ use whole flower and calendula just the petals.<



Here in California all the people I know use the whole flower of each. 

Different strokes I guess.

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:29:17 -0400 (EDT)

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Hi, Sue!  Do they use the green part of the calendula flower, too?  Is

this in oil infusions, or things like soap?  



I'm putting them in soap, and I would think the green part might be a bit

scratchy there.  What do you think?



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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 03:59:04 -0400

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Hi,  I think that I would mostly use the petals if you aren't grinding them

up in soap.  In infused oil and for teas etc, the whole flower including

the attached green base leaves are used.  Make an oil and enjoy the nutty

smell - great!

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:42:52 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)



TN got relief this week, yesterday it was only 90 at two o'clock and is

supposed to be that way all week, not humid...feels like spring after last

week. Never thought I would be glad to see ninety degree weather...



Joe pye weed is sending  its pink pom poms skyward up to ten feet, skullcap,

mountain mint and passionflower in full bloom. Soon my field will be full of

ironweed and possibly lobelia. Pigweed, Goosefoot and Poke looming high in

the garden edges and fencerows. Not long til asters start blooming a sure

sign that it will be cold way before we want it too.



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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:55:20 -0600 (MDT)

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We have had a heat index of 100's in the last month or so, with a drought

here in Maryland. We are concerned that our well may run dry (last year was

considered a drought also). thank God my herbs still look healthy but have

not grown much. It is so disappointing, expected a big harvest! Oh well at

least they are alive.

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Calendula?

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 06:05:08 GMT

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"Sno0wl" <sno0wl@earthlink.net> wrote to herbinfo@alist4u.net:



>Can anyone tell me that difference between marigold and calendula. Can marigold be 

>used for the same purposes ?



That depends. Is your marigold a Calendula officinalis or a Tagetes sp.?



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Calendula?

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:26:31 -0400

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@alist4u.net

>Can anyone tell me that difference between marigold and calendula. Can

marigold be 

used for the same purposes ?<

SnoOwl,

Calendula is called pot marigold and is very different from tagetes sp. 

Taggetes repels bugs when grown in the garden.  But pot marigold - 

calendula is wonderful and smells wonderful, unlike marigolds.  Calendula

is the medicinal herb.

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:34:47 -0400

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I have a ton of sunflowers this year and I'd love to dry some for

arrangements. If possible, I'd love to keep the petals -- anyone know how to

accomplish this?



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Subject: [HerbInfo] harvesting cone flowers

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:59:07 -0400

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I know this has already been discussed - but my cone flowers didn't do well

this summer. I have plenty of seed pods, but not many petals. Wondering if I

should go ahead and harvest them anyway.



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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:05:13 -0700 (PDT)

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Hello. Can anyone help in my search for Native American uses of herbs?

I've been to the Native Amer......Ethnobotany database. It was helpful.

Is there anywhere else I could look? Thank you for your

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:03:09 -0600

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try the new mexico state site......

http://www.newmexico.com



see if there are any links there and i forget the last name of the guy who

write the newmexico herb books divided into sections for higher elevations

and lower....will look it up for you...

it's mike moore (I think)







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>Posted To HerbInfo By: kevven d <kevvend@yahoo.com>

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>Hello. Can anyone help in my search for Native American uses of herbs?

>I've been to the Native Amer......Ethnobotany database. It was helpful.

>Is there anywhere else I could look? Thank you for your

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From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:57:44 GMT

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Posted To HerbInfo By: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)



gerryl <gerryl@rt66.com> wrote to herbinfo@alist4u.net:



>try the new mexico state site......

>http://www.newmexico.com

>

>see if there are any links there and i forget the last name of the guy who

>write the newmexico herb books divided into sections for higher elevations

>and lower....will look it up for you...

>it's mike moore (I think)



Michael Moore is at http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE . He's written

"Medicinal Plants of the Pacific West", "...the Mountain West", "...the Desert

and Canyon West", and a couple others.



The Pacific West book is -the- single best book on herbs there is, if you pick

and make your own herbal medicines.



Henriette



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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:56:40 -0400

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I tried this link and searched the site but could find nothing.  Has anyone

else had any success finding  information on native american herbals?



gerryl wrote:



> Posted To HerbInfo By: gerryl <gerryl@rt66.com>

>

> try the new mexico state site......

> http://www.newmexico.com

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> see if there are any links there



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From: gerryl <gerryl@rt66.com>

Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 17:55:19 -0600

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Received from Henriette and I'm off to ck out her web site.....

gerryl







Michael Moore is at http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE . He's written

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From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:09:35 -0600 (MDT)

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May not be exactly what you want... some descriptions on the first one are

incomplete. Some Native American usage although that is not the focus here,

tons of images of Tennessee wild herbs.

http://altnature.com/gallery/index.htm



and many more here with complete descriptions :-)

Deb Jackson's site at http://altnature.com/creekherbs

Takes a while to download thumbnails but I am so proud to have these on my

site, she did a great job!



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From: <lmorris@tcjc.cc.tx.us> "Laurie Morris"

Date: Fri, 6 Aug 99 11:45:39 CDT

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Regarding native american medicine/herbs, go to:



http://indy4.fdl.cc.mn.us/~isk/food/plants.html



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] elder  flowers

From: Lin Frye <linfrye@yahoo.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:35:39 -0700 (PDT)

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Jenni:



I live in the Piedmont of NC and lived 20 years on the

coast of SC.  Sambucus canadensis grows wild in both

places and I have cultivated S. candensis in my garden

in NC.  I have used the flowers for toiletry

preparations, food items such as fritters and baked

goods, and I have made numerous pies, jellies,

wine-turned vinegar from the fruit.  I've also used

the berries dried as a raisin substitute --  Great

plant and in my opinion, easily substituted for S.

nigra.



Lin Frye

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> In all of my herb books, when elder flowers are

> called for, the plant's

> genus and species are Sambucus nigra.  Does anyone

> know if Sambucus

> canadensis can be substituted?

> Also, does anyone have experience growing this

> shrub/tree?

> Thanks! Jenni

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Subject: [HerbInfo] elder  flowers

From: djlehman@interl.net (Darren & Jenni Lehman)

Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:15:32 -0600

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In all of my herb books, when elder flowers are called for, the plant's

genus and species are Sambucus nigra.  Does anyone know if Sambucus

canadensis can be substituted?

Also, does anyone have experience growing this shrub/tree?

Thanks! Jenni





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] elder  flowers

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:38:16 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>



I agree with Lin Frye that S. canadensis can be subbed for S. nigra.

S. canadensis is the American species, and S. nigra the European, of the

blackberried elder.

S. nigra does have a heavier odor, so it may be stronger in some aspects,

but my guess is that half the authors do not know the difference between the

two species, and are just lifting the information (on species used) from

older (book) sources, which originally derived from England, or other parts

of Europe, where S. canadensis is not known.



Growing it?  Likes lots of moisture, is hard to transplant becasue of

shallow running roots that wrap themselves around rocks for stability....but

if you find a small one and do not destroy root system, and give it a nice

area resembling a streambank (as opposed to a desert or forest), it is very

hardy, though may die back and

resprout some cold windy winters. (I am in New England)

There are red berried elders here in New England, too, though...these should

not be used.  The west coast and other cultivated elders are a whole other

study, though....

Joanie





>In all of my herb books, when elder flowers are called for, the plant's

>genus and species are Sambucus nigra.  Does anyone know if Sambucus

>canadensis can be substituted?

>Also, does anyone have experience growing this shrub/tree?

>Thanks! Jenni







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Subject: [HerbInfo] Re: echinacea varieties

From: "P. Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:29:02 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "P. Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>



Last year I planted echinacea purpurea  and white swan echinacea from

seed . They flowered their first year in October.  In spring of that

same year I bought some one year old (apparently?) plants from a local

north american plant store (WR). Some of these plants had a combined

label of echinacea purpurea and rudbekia mangus(hope that's spelled

right;some just said e.p.. I have not been growing them long enough for

any cross pollination or babies to be produced. Is that possible? The

question is why do these same plants echinacea purpurea look different

in height, petal color, droopiness of petals, height.

At first I thought length of time  the flower has been on the plant or

sunlight amounts so I cut all the flowers off (Does this harm root

growth?) and within a week there was lots more new flowers the same age

and the color differences, and petal types seemed to be more extreme.

Are some maybe mislabelled echinacea pallida  crosses? Is there this

much variation in one species? Am I harming root growth by cutting the

flower? Is it possible that cross pollination will be taking place in

the seed cones on this generation? Please help me here. p.n.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re: echinacea varieties

From: Carol Ellis <farmgal@madre.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:58:49 -0700

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It sounds as though you have a mis-labeled species. We have over 600

plants and have not found much variety in them...although since your

plants are from different seed stock they could have some variation, but

not that much.

No they will not cross-pollinate, or at least you will not find any

variation until you grow the seed out. Not sure if the species will

cross pollinate.

Cutting the flower actually produces more root growth, as the plant is

not expending so much energy into reproduction.

All parts of the plant are usable, just a higher concentration in the

root.

c.e.



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From: "P. Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:43:09 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "P. Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>



 We have over 600

plants and have not found much variety in them..

Which varieties do you have?  Are you growing them for their flowers,

seed,

or roots?  Is this a small commercial operation? Do you make tinctures?

Do you find the plant likes lots of compost? What is the average weight

of a three year old root? Which species do you prefer.  That much purple

in a garden must look great. p.n.



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From: farmgal <farmgal@madre.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:30:00 -0700

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I work at a small family farm specializing in medicinal herbs. This is

just our third year in production, with about 2 acres total now, so we

are just now seeing our Echinacea come into it's full glory. Not as

spectacular looking as you'd think, as its all spread out in a row, but

still very nice. We harvest all parts of the plant; we've been told all

parts are useful, even the stems. We cut just as the flowers are

beginning to open, later the heads get too woody. Some plants we leave

to harvest seed. We will be harvesting our first roots this fall and

plan on making tinctures, although we're not really at that stage yet,

we're still pretty caught up getting the whole thing going ( we have

around 60 different herbs now). We're only growing the most useful

medicinally, and those that grow well in the central valley of

California, so we're growing E. purpurea. We've tried E. angustifolia

with extremely poor success, but I imagine we'll try again, perhaps

buying starts this time...

c.e.



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From: "P. Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:52:18 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "P. Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>



We cut just as the flowers are

beginning to open, later the heads get too woody.



Do you cut the whole plant or just the flowers.  I found that two new

flowerheads with the petals just opening was enough to take away a

throbbing toothache.  The dentist didn't believe it said it had to be a

sinus problem. It turned out to be abscess. I mad tea out of the flowers

than ate the flowers. I was in big pain and the e.p. took it away. pn



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From: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:07:05 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@juno.com>



have Echinacea purpurea x. "Magnus" and E.purpurea x."White Swan"

first year together with good bloom, have noticed a varietal shift with

first years seed and transplant.  Fear I have lost my E.pallida....  the

Rudbekia spp (black eyed susan) took root and has livened the front

gardens more than I would have hoped for.  



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From: "P. Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:47:52 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@juno.com>



have Echinacea purpurea x. "Magnus" and E.purpurea x."White Swan"

first year together with good bloom, have noticed a varietal shift with

first years seed and transplant.



Does this mean you have cross pollinated these? Do you find the magnus

has different petal colours? How do you find the different varieties for

strength. Is the white swan as strong as the e.p.?  I'm beginning to

think the

strongest flower is the one just opened where the petals are not fully

formed. What do you think? Do you find the e.p. petals can sometimes be

light pink instead of purple?  Do you find the magnus has shorter petals

but deeper purple? Which is your favourite and why? p.n.



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From: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:36:59 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@juno.com>



I just love them all, the bees don't seem to care.

My magnus is no longer as deep as it was the first year I planted it, but

then I had the E.purperea established when I introduced the Magnus, the

White Swan is just as white as it ever was.  Mine lose their petals as

they age but I am letting them all go to seed this year as it is the

first year in their 'garden'.



I am not particular about the color, I bemoan the loss of the E.pallida

because of the fringe like flowers (I adore my witchhazel -Hamamelis

virginiana x. Arnold's Promise- and the Chinese fringe flowers

-Lorepetulum spp- for the same reason)



I do not grow them for the color, the Rudbekia goldstrum would be one I

grow for petal colors as the gentle shift between yellow and gold is

beautiful in the autumn.  Besides, the goldfinches don't care either.  

:)



enjoy your garden.  I have no favorites (well, the tubrose has my

attention this year) gawds, it's a pervading scent in the evening.  Am

still waiting and hoping for blooms on my night blooming Syrus......   

antique (33 yo potted)  I got seven blooms last year......



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From: "P. Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:47:00 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "P. Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>



My magnus is no longer as deep as it was the first year I planted it,

but

then I had the E.purpurea established when I introduced the Magnus, the

White Swan is just as white as it ever was.

Do you think the flowerheads for the magnus are good for tinctures and

tea.

Do you have any idea which variety would be the strongest. Have you read

any reports on the white swan strength. I have only heard it is

untested. pn



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From: "gardenthyme~lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:51:31 -0500

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Hi all, I went out and checked my ginger, it's 2 years old and about 2 ft

sq.  Is it too early to harvest some ofthe root and could someone be kind

enough to advise me on that?

Dee



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Subject: [HerbInfo] cinnamon, clove, and garlic as antimicrobials (long)

From: "k." <tfkg@pacbell.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:52:20 -0700

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I got this from another list and have heard plenty about clove and

garlic, but less about cinnamon.  Does anyone have any favorite

non-culinary uses for it?

Karyn in CA

tfkg@pacbell.net



Cinnamon Is Lethal Weapon Against E. Coli O157:H7

Source:    Institute Of Food Technologists

( http://www.ift.org/ )         Date:        Posted 8/6/99



                 When cinnamon is in, Escherichia coli O157:H7 is out.

That's what researchers at Kansas State University discovered in

laboratory tests with cinnamon and apple juice heavily tainted with

the bacteria. Presented at the Institute of Food Technologists' 1999

Annual Meeting in Chicago on July 27, the study findings revealed that

cinnamon is a lethal weapon against E. coli O157:H7 and may be able to

help control it in unpasteurized juices.



                 Lead researcher Erdogan Ceylan, M.S., reported that

in apple juice samples inoculated with about one million E. coli

O157:H7 bacteria, about one teaspoon (0.3 percent) of cinnamon killed

99.5 percent of the bacteria in three days at room temperature (25 C).

When the same amount of cinnamon was combined with either 0.1 percent

sodium benzoate or potassium sorbate, preservatives approved by the

Food and Drug Administration, the E. coli were knocked out to an

undetectable level. The number of bacteria added to the test samples

was 100 times the number typically found in contaminated food.



                 "This research indicates that the use of cinnamon

alone and in combination with preservatives in apple juice, besides

its flavoring effect, might reduce and control the number of E. coli

O157:H7," concluded Ceylan, a Ph.D. graduate assistant at K-State.

"Cinna-mon may help protect consumers against foodborne bacteria that

may be in unpasteurized juices and may partially or completely replace

preservatives in foods to maintain their safety," he said.



                 "If cinnamon can knock out E. coli O157:H7, one of

the most virulent foodborne microorganisms that exists today, it will

certainly have antimicrobial effects on other common foodborne

bacteria, such as Salmonella and Campylobacter," noted Daniel Y.C.

Fung, Ph.D., professor of Food Science in the Department of Animal

Sciences and Industry at K-State, who oversaw the research.



                 Last year, Fung and Ceylan researched the

antimicrobial effects of various spices on E. coli O157:H7 in raw

ground beef and sausage and found that cinnamon, clove, and garlic

were the most powerful. This research led to their recent studies on

cinnamon in apple juice, which proved to be a more effective medium

than meat for the spice to kill the bacteria.



                 "In liquid, the E. coli have nowhere to hide," Fung

noted, "whereas in a solid structure, such as ground meat, the

bacteria can get trapped in the fat or other cells and avoid contact

with the cinnamon. But this cannot happen in a free-moving

environment."



                 Regardless of the K-State findings, people who are at

greater than normal risk for foodborne diseases-- namely the elderly,

young children, or immune-compromised-- would be urged to avoid

drinking unpasteurized juices or unthoroughly cooked hamburgers, which

may contain harmful microorganisms.



For a copy of the study presented at IFT's Annual Meeting, contact

Angela Dansby at 312-82-8424 x127

or via e-mail at aldansby@ift.org .



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  (long)

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:15:21 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>



Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@alist4u.net

>Does anyone have any favorite

non-culinary uses for it?

Karyn in CA

tfkg@pacbell.net<



Yes,  I use it as a major ingredient to make a 100 year wet pot pourri,

along with rose petals and lavender petals and brandy.  If interested you

can write me and I will send the recipe.  It is great!

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

Sue's Herbals

in sunny Northern California

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re:Dong Quai

From: "P. Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:54:58 -0400

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Does anyone know anything about growing dong quai. What zone will it

grow in? What type of soil does it like? Is it hardy?  Does it like full

sun? Does it like lots of moisture? Has anyone grown this plant? pn



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re:Dong Quai

From: joanr@mindlink.net

Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:41:24 -0700

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P. Nighswander wrote:

> Does anyone know anything about growing dong quai. What zone will it

> grow in? What type of soil does it like? Is it hardy?  Does it like full

> sun? Does it like lots of moisture? Has anyone grown this plant? pn



I grew some from seed last year and it flowered this year.  It was supposed to

be hard to germinate but I didn't find that.  You do have to sow it on the

surface though which makes it hard to keep the seed moist. It was hard to find

information on Angelica sinensis.  It does likes rich moist soil in sun or

partial shade; I didn't know what zone it was hardy in either so I mulched it

with straw and it was fine (my garden is around zone 6) although we had a mild

winter.  I have it in a raised bed so it is very well drained along with other

root herbs like licorice, chinese licorice, valerian, fo ti, and astragalus.  

I have 2 pictures of my dong quai on my website - one from last year (although

it is a little dark) and one in flower this year. Takes years to mature the

roots for harvesting.  I just collected some seed today, although I seem to

remember that it is better not to let the flowers form when you are growing

for roots?? Anyone know for sure? I really wanted more seed so grew the

flowers to seed.  

Hope this helps some...................Joan



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Re:moist pot pourri recipe

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:32:49 -0400

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Hello herbal friends,  

I have received notes from many of you.  Yes, I promise to send you all the

recipe.  Of course,  I misplaced the exact amounts.  I don't make it very

often as it is called Century pot pourri ( 100 year ).   I will call

another friend that I think has the recipe.  I have not forgotten you all. 

It is a wonderful one.

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

Sue's Herbals

in sunny Northern California

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PS.  Pari and Patt,   Not sure why your emails would come back.  Maybe it

was when I was on vacation in Oregon last week and my mailbox was full. 

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Subject: [HerbInfo] MG to a teaspoon

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:48:50 -0700

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Help,



Somewhere here I have this info but have obviously put it someplace

safe!  You know how that goes, I'll bet.



Anyway, how many milligrams to a teaspoon?  I'll bet lots of you know.



TIA,



Patt

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] MG to a teaspoon

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:57:22 EDT

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In a message dated 8/21/99 10:51:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

grammafatt@rmci.net writes:



<< 

 Posted To HerbInfo By: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

 

 Help,

 

 Somewhere here I have this info but have obviously put it someplace

 safe!  You know how that goes, I'll bet.

  >>



I thought each plant was individual, some with higher potency, higher 

concentration of essential oils than others and therefore one could not 

figure out MG per teaspoon, but I would love to be wrong on this. Please let 

me know.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] MG to a teaspoon

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:52:11 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>



mg of what?

A milligram is a unit of weight or mass - 28.35 grams to an ounce, or

28,350. mg to that ounce of weight.



Teaspoons are units of volume, 6 teaspoon to a fluid oz. (in the US, dry

measurements are different, whereas in the UK liquid and dry measuring

systems are the same...though we are still speaking volume here, not weight)



If we are speaking water here, and we are measuring in the USA (I would have

to check to see whether other areas of the world have any discrepancies), a

teaspoon of perfectly measured water should weigh about 1/6 of an ounce, or

(figuring in my head here) 4725 mg.  This is under 4 3/4 grams.  BUT, this

figure is just for water....it will not work for anything else...oils, dry

ingredients, alcohols, syrups, whatever, all have different weights per

fluid ounce and need to be determined individually.



Joanie





>Anyway, how many milligrams to a teaspoon?  I'll bet lots of you know.





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] MG to a teaspoon

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 09:21:39 -0700

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Ok,



I'm sorry I wasn't more specific.  Should have had my thinking cap on. 

Not building a rocket here or making medicines. 



Basic "rule of thumb" weights for dry & wet.



Water, Joanie sent, Thanks Joanie.



How about dry.  Say something calls for x # of milligrams of regular

table salt, or epsom salts?  corn starch or flour?



I do not need anything carved in stone but the general ballpark figures,

which are at least a starting point.



TIA,



Patt

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From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 09:23:20 -0700

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Oops,



And, is it 100 milligrams to a gram?  See, I am a stupid American who

just never has gotten this metric stuff down.  I'm old, gimme a break!



Patt

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Joanie MacPhee wrote:

       <<SNIP>>

BUT, this

>figure is just for water....it will not work for anything else...oils, dry

>ingredients, alcohols, syrups, whatever, all have different weights per

>fluid ounce and need to be determined individually.





And for this reason, the majority of chemical compounding in

the chemical and pharmaceutical industry is based strictly

on weight.  Liquids, solids, powders, all weight measured.



Sam

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] MG to a teaspoon

From: "Jan Flood" <oakridge@windo.missouri.org>

Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:43:40 -0500

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May be late with this info but...1000mg = 1 gram    28.4 grams = 1oz    In

liquid measure there is approx 6 teaspoons to an ounce.



Is this anywhere close to what you needed???  I use grams a lot and 1 gram

is a very small amount of product.  You need very good scales to even

measure that small.



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Herb Chat rooms?

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:26:50 EDT

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Does anyone know of herbal chat rooms where folks get together and talk about 

herbs and stuff? Even java is ok. If so, incude address and what it is like. 

TIA



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From: Ivyvine058@aol.com

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:36:28 EDT

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In a message dated 8/22/99 11:25:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

grammafatt@rmci.net writes:



<< And, is it 100 milligrams to a gram?  See, I am a stupid American who

 just never has gotten this metric stuff down.  I'm old, gimme a break! >>

Patt,

You're not old ... and why learn metric when you have one of these!

Mega Converter's Homepage

http://www.megaconverter.com/mc_nav.htm

From one stupid American to another!<VBG>

take care,

denise

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Herb Chat rooms?/AOL

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:04:40 EDT

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In a message dated 8/23/99 9:18:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

Ivyvine058@aol.com writes:



<< 

 Hi Pari,

 Have not participated in one of these chats in quite some time. The rooms 

 were monitored by the host and several other individuals, inappropriate 

 behavior was never tolerated.

  <A HREF="aol://4344:308.cht_ntra.6952559.580254493">Click here:  Natural 

and 

 Alternative Health Chats</A> 

 good luck!

 take care,

 denise >>



Thanks Denise! That one escaped me. Here is one, for those on AOL, that is 

fantastic! Just to keyword and type ha That's it. It stands for alternative 

health and healing. They have two chat rooms, sometimes guest chats, and 

other than chat rooms they have a lot of great, easily accessible information 

there. I just keep missing the schedulted chats and that is the only time 

anyone is there. 



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Gardenthyme Potpourri

From: "gardenthyme~lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:14:39 -0500

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Gardenthyme Potpourri



Combine 

2 cups rosemary

1/2 cup whole allspice

2 cups rose petals

2 cups mint

2 whole cloves

4 cinnamon sticks

Combine in a large jar.  

Measure out several cups of white vinegar and heat,

then pour over potpourri and mix well.

Let it "cure" for a week to ten days.

Use in simmering pot.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Gardenthyme Potpourri

From: HERBALS@aol.com

Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:14:34 EDT

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In a message dated 8/25/99 7:52:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 

dblan@netusa1.net writes:



<< Gardenthyme Potpourri

 

 Combine 

 2 cups rosemary

 1/2 cup whole allspice

 2 cups rose petals

 2 cups mint

 2 whole cloves

 4 cinnamon sticks

 Combine in a large jar.  

 Measure out several cups of white vinegar and heat,

 then pour over potpourri and mix well.

 Let it "cure" for a week to ten days.

 Use in simmering pot.

  >>



ok...why are you using heated vinegar in this potpourri recipe?  I am very 

curious, because I just harvested about 55gallons worth of rosemary.



Tamara~HERBALS@aol.com~Country Cottage Creations, Wake Forest, NC~"Indulge 

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Gardenthyme Potpourri

From: "gardenthyme~lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:13:08 -0500

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To "set" the potpourri, and provide a medium for the scents to blend.  It is

then used as a "moist" potpourri in simmering pot or pan on the stove.

Lucky you to have so much rosemary!  Love it.  I'll try to find some other

recipes for it's use.

Dee

--->ok...why are you using heated vinegar in this potpourri recipe?  I am

very

>curious, because I just harvested about 55gallons worth of rosemary.

>

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Subject: [HerbInfo] tomatoes

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:39:03 -0400

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Is it possible to sun-dry tomatoes without special equipment? I've got tons,

but haven't a clue whether I can dry them or not.



Susan H.



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Subject: [HerbInfo] tomatoes

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:41:29 -0400

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sun-dry tomatoes?

Easy.  Just slice thinly.  I lay them on a window screen and put another

window screen the same size on top, so there is just enough space for the

slices inbetween.  I set it out in a sunny spot on the edge of some large

pots or on some garden furniture and let the sun do all the work.  The

screens obviously keep the insects off them and at the same time give them

air.  You can flip the screens too.  Love those sun dried tomatoes.  



Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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From: "P. Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:28:34 -0400

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you don't have to remove the skins for sun dried tomatoes. This is great

news. What about a food dehydrator is that a bad shortcut? pn



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From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:00:16 -0600 (MDT)

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Hi Susan,



Yes, you can sun dry using screens, dehydrators, etc.  You'll

undoubtedly get more tips on that here but I just want to share a thing

I got years ago from Sunset mag which works well for me.



You puree the tomatoes in the blender or food processor after squeezing

out some of the juice.  Puree skins & all, just cut the core out & any

bad spots of course.  Then bring the puree to a simmer on the stove &

give it a stir every so often.  Here you have a choice.  Simmer only a

few minutes, just to kill the enzymes, or sometimes I simmer quite a

while to reduce it to the consistency of tomato paste.  Sometimes I add

basil, garlic, onion... whatever I want to add.  Then you put the puree

in zip freezer bags & freeze.  This is very concentrated stuff as you

can tell.  I lay my bags flat so they freeze skinny.



First time I did this, I filled pint bags to the brim!  Mistake.  Too

much tomato for anything I was going to make unless I need to make

something for Cox's army.  Made a big pot of chili & it was way too

tomatoey.  About a cup of this is close in flavor to a large can of

tomatoes.  So now I only put about 2 cups to a bag.



Anyway, you might, if you have a freezer, use this for part of them &

with the help of everyone on here, sun dry some.  At least you have the

option.This is so easy.  Takes very little time.  Sure made my life

easier!



Oh, they also mentioned zuchinni this way which is great thown into

stew, etc.



Hope you can use this.



Patt

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Subject: [HerbInfo] Other Herb Lists

From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:46:51 EDT

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Once, Herbinfo had some posts about other herb elists. I recall one was 

mentioned that had something like 800 people on it and was told it sent about 

60 posts a day. I noted it down for future use, and now am ready for it. But 

I must have jotted the address down wrong. Here is the address I have, and if 

anyone remembers the correct one, please let me know. Thanks. 



listserv@trearnpc.ege.edu.tr



And I was to write:



Subscribe HERB first name/last name



Does anyone out there remember and have this info? Its supposed to be a 

professional list or something along those lines. Also, I would like to get 

on it digest form. 



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Other Herb Lists

From: Rob Loach <deloges@juno.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:15:59 -0400

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On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:46:51 EDT Parijata2@aol.com writes:

> 

> Posted To HerbInfo By: Parijata2@aol.com

> 

> Once, Herbinfo had some posts about other herb elists. I recall one 

> was 

> mentioned that had something like 800 people on it and was told it 

> sent about 

> 60 posts a day. 



Pari,



Here's the info on the other herb lists that I know of:



herb (for medicinal uses of herbs)



write to:

majordomo@mylist.net



in the body of the message write either



subscribe herb



	or



subscribe herb-digest



herbs-l  (for culinary uses for herbs)



write to:



majordomo@orednet.org



in the body of the message write either



subscribe herbs-



	or



subscribe herbs-l-digest



What I enjoy about the herbinfo list that we are currently reading is

that it is for all uses of herbs and there's a nice, manageable volume of

mail.



Hope that this helps.

Rob



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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:57:16 -0600 (MDT)

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>Parijata2@aol.com writes:

>

>Once, Herbinfo had some posts about other herb elists. I recall one was 

>mentioned that had something like 800 people on it and was told it sent about 

>60 posts a day. <<SNIP>>



Reply:



This lady, Henriette Kress runs an excellent list.

Her email/website follows:



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You can also search at:



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lsoft.com (that's a lowercase 'L', not a numeral one.)



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From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:11:43 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>



Just go to Henrietta's page

http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/



The herblist she runs (the one, formerly in Turkey, that is being discussed)

and instructions for joining it and a bunch of others are listed in part 7

of the medicinal herb FAQ.



the archives for that list, this list, and others are accessible from her

site.  SO is a bunch of other stuff.



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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:00:27 PDT

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Our Marijuana plants are just blooming.

  Yesterday we found  lots of tiny yelow eggs all over them.

We cleaned them immediatly. using  a mixture of Ginger and

Lemon juice , leaf  after  leaf......

  Is there any better way with it?







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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:12:54 -0400 (EDT)

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Ummm .. why, may I ask, are you growing marijuana?  Are there places in

the world where you can legally grow it?   (I know you can't legally grow

it where I am ...)



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From: farmgal <farmgal@madre.com>

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:18:00 -0700

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Are you sure you're not just dealing with male plants?



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From: "KB" <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:53:38 -0500

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YOU WROTE:

Here is the address I have, and if anyone remembers the correct one, please

let me know. Thanks.  listserv@trearnpc.ege.edu.tr   Does anyone out there

remember and have this info? Its supposed to be a  professional list or

something along those lines



I ADD:

The one Henriette Kress moderates ( Herb@MyList.net) is the same one that

used to be from the addy you mention.  They changed servers because of

undependable connection from the old one (I believe Turkey has been having

some problems).  It is one of the BEST lists.  I have been on it for approx.

3 years now.  An occasional flame war starts but Henriette stops them ASAP

and the folks on it really know their stuff.



It is for medicinal use of herbs - not cooking or crafts - Many are

practitioners and professional herbalists and you will get info!!!  If you

are a rank beginner you may feel more just comfortable lurking for a

while....

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From: "KB" <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:49:59 -0500

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 YOU WROTE:

<snip>listserv@trearnpc.ege.edu.tr   Does anyone out there remember

and have this info? Its supposed to be a  professional list or something

along those lines<snip>



 I ADD:

Tried to send this Saturday but I never saw it come thru, forgive if a

repeat.....

The list Henriette Kress moderates ( Herb@MyList.net) is the same one

that used to be from the listserv@trearnpc.ege.edu.tr  addy you mention.

They changed servers because of  undependable service connection from the

old

one (I believe Turkey has been having some problems for quite a while now).



It is for medicinal use of herbs - not cooking or crafts -   It IS an active

list....  Lots of

mail, but I consider it essential for anyone serious about medicinal herbs.

Many members

are practitioners and professional herbalists and you will get info!!!  The

thought

stimulus helps break through pre-concieved notions and get to real healing

issues.

If you are a beginner you may feel more comfortable lurking for a while,

you'll be

really pleased with how much great info you'll get.  It is one of the BEST

lists.  I have

been on it for approx. 3 years now.  An occasional flame war starts but

Henriette stops

them ASAP and the folks on it really know their stuff.

KB





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From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:53:41 EDT

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In a message dated 8/30/99 10:55:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

kbensin@mail.state.tn.us writes:



<< 

 It is for medicinal use of herbs - not cooking or crafts - >>



That's EXACTLY what I want. I don't use my herbs so much for crafts. Cooking 

I can take care of myself. :) But there is always new medical information on 

herbs and I just love these things. Would still like to find out how to get 

on that list. 



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Rosemary-Black Olive Pesto

From: "gardenthyme~lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:55:11 -0600 (MDT)

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Here's a recipe to use that rosemary in!

1/3 cup fresh rosemary leaves

1 cup fresh parsley leaves

2-3 cloves garlic

1/2 cup pitted black olives

1/2 cup walnuts

1/2 cup olive oil

1/2 cup freshly grated parmesan

Place all ingredients except olive oil and cheese in food processor.  Slowly

add oil and process to a chunky paste (do not overprocess).  Add more oil if

needed.  Fold in cheese.  Store up to one week in the refrigerator or

several months in the freezer in an airtight container.

(Good with lamb, spread on cooked meat or mix with drippings for a great

sauce.  Also goes well with other red meats and mushrooms.)

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Subject: [HerbInfo] medical herb sites

From: "Carol J. Orwant" <orwantcj@erols.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:23:15 -0600 (MDT)

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Pari and others--that address trear....tr is reputed to be a serious

medical herb list.  It's from a university in Istanbul, Turkey.  It may

be off the web right now due to the earthquake calamities.  I tried

twice to subscribe, but was not successful due to the 8 hour time

difference which didn't let me reply in time.  Sorry I don't have the

exact address.  But I got it from Henriette's list.  Carol

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From: ferret <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:29:02 -0400 (EDT)

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Henriette's list moved to its new server LONG before the earthquake ..

about a year ago, I think.



- Ela



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Subject: [HerbInfo] American Cranesbill

From: diane downs <rdowns@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:41:23 -0700

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Posted To HerbInfo By: diane downs <rdowns@ix.netcom.com>



 Henriette,

i couldn't find anything on the

American Cranesbill would you know the  Latin name?

also on the ediblewild i have a pic. of a  mallow i would like to know

the name of it. if you can help. i will have a lots of seeds to trade.



thank

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Subject: [HerbInfo] American Cranesbill

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:39:11 -0400

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@alist4u.net

>American Cranesbill would you know the  Latin name?<



Cranesbill or  Wild Geranium ( Geranium viscossimum ),  Common Geranium

(Geranium dissectum), Dove's- Foot Geranium ( Geranium molle ) and Carolina

Geranium ( Geranium carolinianum )  --  they are all of the Geranium

Family.



Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] American Cranesbill

From: diane downs <rdowns@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:18:43 -0700

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THANKS for the information on american cranesbill i didn't know it was a

geranium.

diane





> Cranesbill or  Wild Geranium ( Geranium viscossimum ),  Common Geranium

> (Geranium dissectum), Dove's- Foot Geranium ( Geranium molle ) and Carolina

> Geranium ( Geranium carolinianum )  --  they are all of the Geranium

> F



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] American Cranesbill

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:17:26 +0000

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Sue wrote:

<<Cranesbill or  Wild Geranium ( Geranium viscossimum ),  Common

Geranium

(Geranium dissectum), Dove's- Foot Geranium ( Geranium molle ) and

Carolina

Geranium ( Geranium carolinianum )  --  they are all of the Geranium

Family>>



Sue or anyone who may be able to help me,



Is that the same plant that is sometimes called "low mallow"?  I have a

friend who calls this stuff wild geranium & it certainly has a geranium

looking leaf.  I know it as low mallow.  It is a "weed" here (south

western Idaho).  Figure as tenacious & hardy as this stuff is, it MUST

be medicinal.  Anywhere you know that has pictures?  Have checked all my

books & can't find a thing.  I've been wanting

info on this for ages altho I admit not working hard at it in the past. 

But this seems

a real good time to get serious about finding out!



Patt





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] American Cranesbill

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:15:57 GMT

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Posted To HerbInfo By: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)



On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:17:26 +0000, Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net> wrote to

herbinfo@alist4u.net:



>Sue wrote:

><<Cranesbill or  Wild Geranium ( Geranium viscossimum ),  Common >Geranium

>(Geranium dissectum), Dove's- Foot Geranium ( Geranium molle ) and >Carolina

>Geranium ( Geranium carolinianum )  --  they are all of the Geranium 

>Family>>

>

>Is that the same plant that is sometimes called "low mallow"?  I have a

>friend who calls this stuff wild geranium & it certainly has a geranium



Malva neglecta, or possibly Malva sylvatica. Or could be the wine cup, Callirhoe

sp. - deep red flowers.

I've pics of M. neglecta and Callirhoe on my website.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] American Cranesbill

From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 21:53:29 +0000

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>



Thanks Henriette,



Went to your page.  Neither of them look exactly.  Leaf more rounded.

But it suddenly occurs to me.. call my extension office.  They ought to

have the Botanical name!  Duh!  Why didn't I think of that before.

Thanks for your help & I'll let you know what they tell me.



Patt





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From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:10:57 +0000

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>



Henriette,



I got my answer from the County Extension office yesterday & (I should

have known!) you were RIGHT ON!  It is Malva Neglecta.  She said (it was

on my answering machine since I was not here when she called so I

haven't had a chance to ask anything nor to thank them yet) they looked

it up in "Weeds of the West", didn't give me an author's name) so guess

I will take a look at said book at the library.  I've gone thru several,

not all, of my books & am finding little on the medicinal uses other

than it appears all the mallows are mucilaginous (thank God for spell

check!).  Anyway, thank you for your input.  I will go back to you site

& see what else I can find there but I'm not real good at that Web

stuff.



Thank you again,



Patt











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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] American Cranesbill

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:33:59 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>



Patt,

Here are three references from which I got the info. I sent:

-- Northwest Weeds by Ronald J. Taylor

-- Edible and Medicinal Plants of the West  by Gregory L. Tilford

-- The Outdoor World of the Sacramento Region ( a local field guide ) by

the American River Natural History Association.



Mallows are their own family ( Malvaceae )  and they have a slippery-sticky

mucilaginous quality which is used as a demulcent and emollient.  They have

rounded or heart shaped leaves.

Malva neglecta - common mallow.

Sorry I can't help anymore.



Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

Sue's Herbals

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From: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>

Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:01:44 +0000

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Posted To HerbInfo By: Patt Miller <grammafatt@rmci.net>



Gee Sue,



Sorry so slow to thank you for your answer on this.  Really appreciate

it.  Will get busy now & see what else I can find.  Take your list to

the library with me.  :)



Thanks again,  Patt

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From: Parijata2@aol.com

Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:54:40 EDT

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In a message dated 8/30/99 10:55:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

kbensin@mail.state.tn.us writes:



<< 

 It is for medicinal use of herbs - not cooking or crafts - >>



I am speaking of the one in Turkey. Is it still down?



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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:02:26 -0400 (EDT)

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The one in Turkey hasn't actually been in Turkey for about a year now, I

think.  It's running fine .. would you like subscription information?



- Ela



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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:27:16 EDT

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In a message dated 8/30/99 12:03:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

ferret@panix.com writes:



<< 

 The one in Turkey hasn't actually been in Turkey for about a year now, I

 think.  It's running fine .. would you like subscription information?

 

 - Ela >>



Yes, Thank you. I tried to subscribe but it bounced back. So I am thinking I 

have the wrong address. Or something! Also, does it go digest? I would prefer 

digest. 



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Subject: [HerbInfo] Here's another use for those wonderful herbs!

From: "gardenthyme~lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:46:43 -0500

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "gardenthyme~lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>



Here's another use for those wonderful herbs!

1 cup dried rosemary leaves

1 cup dried lavender flowers

1 cup dried spearmint

1/2 cup dried chamomile

1-4/ to 1/2 cup dried cloves

blend all herbs thoroughly and store in an airtight container away from heat

& light.

Use 1 teaspoon herbs per cup of water for tea

Place a handful of herbs in a muslin bag & add bag to your bathwater for a

soothing treat.



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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:10:54 -0500

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Our extension club puts up a fair booth information display every

year.  This is some information from one we did on herbs.  Thought it

might be of interest to some of you.



PLEASE READ THIS INFORMATION BEFORE

 BEGINNING ANY TREATMENTS!!

Medicinal plants and herbs are the basis for all medicine, but again,

medicine can have side effects so explore the world of medicinal

plants safely with knowledge and common sense.  It is possible you

will find your garden can serve as your second medicine chest.



The information in this display is meant to be used in conjunction

with the guidance and care of your physician.  The remedies described

here are neither advice nor prescriptions, but ideas.  Any remedy -

from any source - should be employed with caution, common sense, and

the approval of your physician.



Essential oils and how they affect your skin

1. GREASY SKIN

Sage      : relaxes, improves blood circulation

Peppermint: refreshes, cools

Valerian  : calms

Clove     : disinfects

Camphor   : Disinfects, sedating

Cypress   : Refreshing, relaxing

2. UNCLEAN SKIN

Cajeput    :  Improves perspiration

Rosemary   :  Improves blood circulation

Valerian   :  Calming

Camphor    :  Disinfects, sedates

3. THICK, PALE AND WEAK SKIN

Oregano   : Widens the blood vessels

Melissa   : Refreshes, tonic

Geranium  : Refreshing

Linden blossom : Soothing

4. INFECTED SKIN

Juniper   : Disinfects

Lavender  : Healing

Cajeput   : Improves perspiration

Fir       : Refreshes, regulates

5. SENSITIVE, THIN, QUICKLY IRRITATED SKIN

Cypress    : Relaxes, refreshes

Pine       : Balances, refreshes

Melissa    : Against cramps

Chamomile  : Sedating

Therebinth : Softening

6. TIRED SKIN

Lavender    : Detoxifying

Eucalyptus  : Vitalizing

Cajeput     : Improves perspiration

Verbena     : Calming

Lemongrass  : Improves blood circulation

7. BODY CARE (GENERAL)

Oregano   :  Strengthening

Thyme     :  Disinfecting

Mint      :  Tonic

Geranium  :  Refreshing



TO MAKE A TEA, OR INFUSION



To make a tea, or infusion, gather a handful of clean leaves.  Pour

boiling water over the leaves and steep for

five minutes (much longer and it will become bitter) and strain.  For

a stronger infusion, use more leaves.  To

dry the leaves for storing, gather them in the summer after the plant

has flowered and dry the branches in the

shade.



TO MAKE A TINCTURE

Tinctures are easy to make, and a very convenient way to make use of

the healing herbs in todays fast society.

They are made with the more potent herbs that are generally not taken

as herbal teas.



Use one part root or herb to five parts alcohol, usually vodka or rum

(NEVER RUBBING ALCOHOL) Put them

together in a glass jar and shake well, then store for two weeks.  The

amount of liquid should be more than the

herbs can absorb, so you may need to add more liquid as the days go

by.  It is shaken daily and allowed to stand

out of direct light, for two weeks. The liquid is poured through a

cloth, such as layers of cheesecloth.  The herbs

that remain are squeezed thoroughly to remove as much of the liquid

from them as possible..  Discard the used

herb or root.   Keep the tincture stored in sterilized dark glass

bottles in a cool place.  Dont be afraid of the

alcohol content-if you want to be sure the alcohol wont affect you,

or you are a recovering alcoholic, drop the

recommended number of tincture drops into a cup of hot water, wait a

few minutes, then drink.  The alcohol

will evaporate.  To use the tincture, mix 5 ml (about one teaspoon) of

the tincture alcohol into 25 ml of juice or

water and drink.  Take that dosage two or three times a day.







ECHINACEA



Also known as Cone Flower.  The root which should be harvested in the

fall, has the most medicinal value.

The Comanche used Echinacea to ease toothaches and sore throats, the

Sioux to combat rabies and snakebites.

The herb is used to build up the bodys immunity and reduce the

severity of an infection.

The plant must be four years old before the roots are suitable for

digging.  Grow an abundance so you dont

destroy your supply as you use it.











LEMON BALM



Lemon balm has the fresh clean aroma of lemons and is great in iced

tea for a simple pick-me-up.  It is also

used as a tonic for anxiety, mild depression, restlessness, and

irritability and is known to be helpful when

anxiety causes indigestion, acidity, nausea, and bloating.  A simple

tea of two teaspoons of the fresh herb,

gathered just before the flowers open, in one cup of boiling water,

steeped for five minutes can ease nervous

headaches.  Drink three times a day.





LAVENDER



The flowers of the lavender are antibacterial and antiseptic.

Lavender is used to calm nerves, reduce muscle

tension, relieve cramps and gas, relieve sleeplessness, irritability,

headache, migraine and help alleviate

depression. Use a lavender tincture diluted in water at bedtime to

help you go to sleep. The flowers can also be

used for prevention of infection in an infusion as tea.  Gather while

they are in full bloom.

Or put a bowl of warm water with a drop or two of lavender essential

oil near the bed.



GARLIC



Medically, garlic is a diuretic, stimulant, expectorant and

sweat-promoter.  Garlic counters many infections,

including those of the nose, throat and chest.  It is known to reduce

cholesterol, help circulatory disorders such

as high blood pressure and lower blood sugar levels.  No need to make

tea or tinctures,  just enjoy cooking with

garlic often.



DANDELION



The leaves of dandelion are a powerful diuretic, and although

diuretics usually cause you to lose potassium,

dandelion provides potassium.  It is used to treat high blood pressure

and detoxify the body by stimulating the

liver, kidneys and gallbladder.  Young dandelion leaves can be eaten

in salads and older leaves must be cooked

like spinach.  They are full of vitamins.  One example: a cup of

dandelion has more beta-carotene than a cup of

carrots.  The root of the two year old dandelion can be harvested in

the fall and used in tinctures.



CHAMOMILE

A tea brewed from the flowers is said to cure many ills.  It is

regarded by many people as a relaxant and

sedative.  Its ability to calm the nerves and bring on drowsiness have

made it a poplar nightcap for those who

might otherwise have trouble getting a full nights sleep.  Some

herbalist claim that the chamomile brew is a

sure preventive of nightmares.



To brew your own chamomile tea, bring a cup of water to a boil, drop

in about two teaspoons of the dried

flowers and allow to steep for about 10 minutes.  Be sure theres a

tight lid on the container, to prevent steam

(and medicinal value) from escaping.  Then strain off the flowers and

enjoy a warm and soothing drink.









Books to consult



The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants: A Practical Reference Guide to

More than 550 Key Medicinal Plants

and Their Uses.  Andrew Chevallier.



American Medicinal Plants: An Illustrated and Descriptive Guide to

Plants Indigenous to and Naturalized in

the United State Which are Used in Medicine. Charles Frederick

Millspaugh



Aromatic Teas and Herbal Infusions.  Laura Fronty



The Complete Book of Herbs and Spices: An Illustrated Guide to Growing

and using Culinary, Aromatic,

Cosmetic and Medicinal Plants.  Sarah Garland



The Doctors Complete Guide to Healing Herbs.  Sheila Buff



The healing Power of Herbs: The Enlightened Persons Guide to the

Wonders of Medicinal Plants.  Michael T.

Murray



Using Plants for Healing. Nelson Coon







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From: Margaret Wallace <walmus@texas.net>

Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:07:39 -0400

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I am looking into correspondence course classes to learn more about herbs,

healing and uses of herbs.  I have sent off for one, but upon arrival,

Lesson #1 seems terribly "off center".  Does anyone recommend a course?



Please email me privately-walmus@texas.net



Thank you for any help in this matter.



Sincerely, Margaret



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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:16:37 -0400 (EDT)

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Email herbs@ordata.com; I like their classes!  I think the Web site is

www.ordata.com/~herbs



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From: DBurton995@aol.com

Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:42:40 EDT

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In a message dated 9/9/99 8:13:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, walmus@texas.net 

writes:



<< I am looking into correspondence course classes to learn more about herbs,

 healing and uses of herbs.  I have sent off for one, but upon arrival,

 Lesson #1 seems terribly "off center".  Does anyone recommend a course?

  >>

 Hi there!

 I was just wondering if this happens to be the same course I just ordered. 

Is it from "The School of Natural Healing"? I have looked into several and 

the reason I decided on this one is because I could buy the lessons one at a 

time and not have to come up with hundreds at once. 

Deana

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From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:57:28 -0400

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Posted To HerbInfo By: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>



I have never taken a correspondence course of any kind, but have always

heard good things about Rosemary Gladstar's course.

I did read through some of her lesson material back in 1980, and I found

nothing to criticize.

I am more drawn to Susun Weed's material myself, but I know a lot of people

would object to some of what she says.



I am very curious as to what lesson you received, and your specific

criticisms of it.

Joanie







>Posted To HerbInfo By: Margaret Wallace <walmus@texas.net>

>

>I am looking into correspondence course classes to learn more about herbs,

>healing and uses of herbs.  I have sent off for one, but upon arrival,

>Lesson #1 seems terribly "off center".  Does anyone recommend a course?





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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] Classes

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:10:19 -0400

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@alist4u.net

>I have never taken a correspondence course of any kind, but have always

heard good things about Rosemary Gladstar's course.

I did read through some of her lesson material back in 1980, and I found

nothing to criticize.

I am more drawn to Susun Weed's material myself, but I know a lot of people

would object to some of what she says.

<



I have completed Rosemary Gladstar's course as part of my apprenticeship

program at Dry Creek Herb Farm in Auburn CA.  Then in one of my years of

advanced studies ( which is where you study with many many different

herbalists ) I took classes with David Hoffmann who also has a study

program.  I have studied with Susan Weed also and she does have some

controversial ideas, but some really good ones too.  She is the herbal

consultant to Andrew Weil for the info he is passing on to medical doctors

down at U.  Arizona ( as I recall - not going to look up my notes ). 

I would recommend Rosemary's course to everyone.  She presents her

information so it is so usable and enjoyable.  She has many years of

experience and she is called the God Mother of Herbalism in America by

many.  I will answer any other questions you may have.

        PS .David Hoffmann said that there are three Naturalpathic Schools

that are reliable in US.  Basteyr in Seattle is one of them, and another is

in Scottsdale. 



Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

Sue's Herbals

in sunny Northern California

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:41:40 EDT

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Hi,

I am trying to find out a couple things. Does one need an herbal license to 

sell/prescribe herbs in California? Is there a way to check if a Chinese 

herbalist/accupunturist is licensed by the state? State board?  Is OMD 

(Oriental Medicine Doctor?) licensed in any state? I need the information. 

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Bo

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I have enjoyed Rosemary Gladstar's correspondence course and found it to be

of practical and valuable help.  The lessons on nervines and allergies have

been particularly helpful, so far.  Worth much more than the $ I spent on

it.

Best, Anita







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From: Ginnie <ginnie@raex.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:37:05 -0500

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  Is anyone familiar with Dr. Christopher, his Formulas and The School

of Natural Healing book and classes? I've been wanting to give his

arthritis Formulas a try for some time and would like to hear what some

might think or know before I order.

Thanks for your help,

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Subject: [HerbInfo] coneflowers

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:55:48 -0400

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My coneflowers don't look so well. They did bloom, but the leaves were dark

and crumpled. Anyone have any clues what's wrong with them and what I can do

to nurse them back to health?



Susan H.



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Subject: Re: [HerbInfo] coneflowers

From: LorinGuild Apothecary <woodwitch@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:14:41 -0400

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did you have a drought period?  

Watering is essential in gardening, be it pleasure or working.  More

important even than  compost (should tell ya something)  ;-]



There may be insect involvement, but depending on what zone you're

in......

Mine fared very well this year (even with my neglect) and next year is

looking even healthier.



can even spare some seeds if any would care for some (please email me

privately)

I enjoy the goldfinches and waxwings enjoying the harvest.  I've already

done my seeding.



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From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 07:37:17 GMT

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"Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net> wrote to "HerbInfo" <herbinfo@alist4u.net>:



>My coneflowers don't look so well. They did bloom, but the leaves were dark

>and crumpled. Anyone have any clues what's wrong with them and what I can do

>to nurse them back to health?



The prairies are limestone-based, and coneflowers come from the prairies. Have

you given yours enough limestone?



Henriette



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From: "P. Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:34:08 -0400

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My coneflowers don't look so well. They did bloom, but the

leaves were dark

and crumpled. Anyone have any clues what's wrong with

them and what I can do

I think it is drought related this crumpled leaf thing. Although we are

getting lots of rain now the early spring rains were missing.

Some coneflowers that got transplanted in hot early spring weather

always needed more water that the ones that didn't get transplanted. I

live in what they call the limestone city  Kingston Canada and they had

lots of compost and maple leaves to compensate for the acidity of the

compost.The hot no rain days of early spring and summer put them in

shock. p.n.



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From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:30:32 -0400

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maybe be accompanied by some kind of idea where the questioner lives?



Joanie in Massachusetts (where the summer long drought was recently broken

by Floyd, and whose coneflowers  suffered greatly, but the Hurricane really

did more good than harm here, I only lost 1 apple tree, but the water was

really needed)





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Subject: [HerbInfo] more on coneflower

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:07:38 -0400

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My original response bounced - I apologize if the list ends up with two of

these.



Susan



did you have a drought period?

Watering is essential in gardening, be it pleasure or working.  More

important even than  compost (should tell ya something)  ;-]



There may be insect involvement, but depending on what zone you're

in......

Mine fared very well this year (even with my neglect) and next year is

looking even healthier.



can even spare some seeds if any would care for some (please email me

privately)

I enjoy the goldfinches and waxwings enjoying the harvest.  I've already

done my seeding.





========================yes, we had a drought here, but locally, we were

fine -- and we kept the garden well watered. Besides, one of them did poorly

last year. And it seems to have spread.





The prairies are limestone-based, and coneflowers come from the prairies.

Have

you given yours enough limestone?



========================Well, you know, I didn't give them any at all -- but

I can do that. :) the first few years they were just fine -- beautiful.



Susan





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