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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: caffeine withdrawal

From: "lisa van der laan" <lizradnor@rglobal.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:24:50 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "lisa van der laan" <lizradnor@rglobal.net>:





-----Original Message-----

From: Jill F. Becker <jbecker@oceanus.mitre.org>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: maandag 1 februari 1999 6:10

Subject: Re: caffeine withdrawal





>To herb@MyList.net from jbecker@oceanus.mitre.org (Jill F. Becker):

>

>

>> Has anyone got any suggestions for countering the symptoms of caffeine

>> withdrawal, especially the headaches?

>>

>> Cheers

>>

>> Graham White

>

>I can't make an suggestions about what to take...but I can suggest that

>you wean yourself off slowly, rather than all at once.  That's what worked

>for me.

>

>I just kept reducing the amount of caffeine...slowly...over a period of

>about a month and a half.  As a result, I didn't really have any headaches.

>

>Jill

>

>Hi!  You might try the herb called Rue.  It comes as dried leaves.  You put

one teaspoon in a cup of boiled water, let it steep for 10 minutes, and then

drink. You might need to  add honey or brown sugar to improve the taste.

Never Boil the leaves!--just add them to the boiled water.  Another thing

you can do is drink fresh juices.  Some supermarkets sell the raw juices.

You have got to clean out the caffei e, and juices are the very thing to do

that.  A good mix is carrot, celery parsley and spinach.  This mix provides

practically all the nutrients your body needs.  At some health stores the

mix comes ready made.  Other stores sell carrot  juice separately, and the

celery,spinach and parsley together. So then you will buy both and mix them.

It is better to have  more carrot so the color should be more carrot colored

when mixed together.  The reason I say that is if you take too much of the

green mixture you will end up lowering your blood sugar and possibly feeling

drained. of energy.  If your blood sugar is high, then it will be

beneficial.  Try the green mix separately, in 1 oz doses., and watch the

reaction your body gives you.= BODY SIGNALS  Relaxing you, might ease the

headache.  If you feel no reacion, then you can continue to drink the green

mix, but only in small doses.Always chew the juicxe, to help it get

digested. This is food, and it is powerful and it is going directly into

your blood.  This is  medicine, to build the nerves which the caffeine has

destroyed.  You only take in small amounts. There are homeopathic  formulas

for calming the nerves.  Do ask at your local healthstore.  Finally, you

should try  the supermagnet.  Placed on the point where the headache is

worst, it will relieve the pain in a very short time.  Sometimes in seconds.

Contact me about the supermagnet.  Congratulations for making the change to

better health.  It takes courage to do so.  As you feed the nerves, the

cravings will be less.  Kind regards,  lizradnor@rglobal.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: caffeine withdrawal

From: jbecker@OCEANUS.MITRE.ORG (Jill F. Becker)

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 99 08:58:35 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from jbecker@oceanus.mitre.org (Jill F. Becker):



 

> Has anyone got any suggestions for countering the symptoms of caffeine

> withdrawal, especially the headaches?

> 

> Cheers

> 

> Graham White



I can't make an suggestions about what to take...but I can suggest that

you wean yourself off slowly, rather than all at once.  That's what worked

for me.



I just kept reducing the amount of caffeine...slowly...over a period of

about a month and a half.  As a result, I didn't really have any headaches.



Jill







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: caffeine withdrawal

From: "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:26:53 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>:





-----Original Message-----

From: Graham White <hendongreen@gn.apc.org>

To: Herb List <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Sunday, January 31, 1999 11:58 AM

Subject: caffeine withdrawal





>To herb@MyList.net from "Graham White" <hendongreen@gn.apc.org>:

>

>Has anyone got any suggestions for countering the symptoms of caffeine

>withdrawal, especially the headaches?



Afraid I can't suggest too much, but personal experience. The best I found

was to ease off gradualy.



You could try using drinks that contain less caffine. drink more of them and

less of what you have been using. (I'm assuming that you are talking about

coffee. With me, I was mixing cocoa and coffee to improve the flavor of the

coffee. Moca! Helped me stay awake for the 5 pm to 9 am shift. Ended getting

hooked on the stuff.) Sorry, I don't have have the amounts with me. Perhaps

someone else could help here. (Caffine isn't that common in teas. Most

common in 'Chinese' tea. Coffee and some soft drinks contain the most. There

are chocolate and cocoa mixes that are decaffanated, but some people are

very sensitive to any sort/amount of caffeine.)



Good luck,

Shirley Deming









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: caffeine withdrawal

From: Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 00:37:07 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>:



At 04:34 PM 1/31/99 -0000, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Graham White" <hendongreen@gn.apc.org>:

>

>Has anyone got any suggestions for countering the symptoms of caffeine

>withdrawal, especially the headaches?

>

>Cheers

>

>Graham White

>----------------------

>

>hendongreen@gn.apc.org

>gw035@mdx.ac.uk

>



Cut down slowly, if possible, and drink lotsandlotsandlots of water.

If you drink tons of coffee or cola, you might try switching to green tea

first, and then cutting down.



Sarah

***************************************************************************

	Sarah Hasler				hasler@highfiber.com

		Student at National College of Phytotherapy,

			    Albuquerque, NM







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: caffeine withdrawal

From: Elsie Kirk <elsiekirk@yahoo.com>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 00:39:35 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Elsie Kirk <elsiekirk@yahoo.com>:



Yes, the only way I know of, and have personal experience in, is to

slowly reduce till "weaned."  I went 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0 cups and had

severe headache the 0 cup day.  I revised the plan from 0 cup day to 1

cup that day, and the two following.  Then, after the 3rd day of 1 cup

day, I had no headache from then on.



> you wean yourself off slowly, rather than all at once.  That's what

>worked for me.



==

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: caffeine withdrawal

From: "Graham White" <hendongreen@gn.apc.org>

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:15:38 -0000

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To herb@MyList.net from "Graham White" <hendongreen@gn.apc.org>:



Thanks to all who replied, however most of the suggestions were to taper off

slowly which never works for me.  I'm an all-or-nothing type person (Paul -

what sort of constitutional type does that make me?) and I have to go

cold-turkey if I'm to give anything up!



After one week without caffeine of any type the headaches are virtually

gone, although I've been suprised to find that it takes me more willpower to

go without coffee (especially in the morning) than it did for me to give up

smoking.



>To herb@MyList.net from "Graham White" <hendongreen@gn.apc.org>:

>

>Has anyone got any suggestions for countering the symptoms of caffeine

>withdrawal, especially the headaches?





Cheers



Graham White

----------------------



hendongreen@gn.apc.org

gw035@mdx.ac.uk











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:caffeine withdrawal

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:22:48 -0500

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Graham White:



I remember reading a book by Dr. Andrew Weil about caffeine withdrawal.  He

recommended starting on a Friday when there was nothing terribly important for

the weekend.  Headache would make productive activity difficult and last about

two days.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Nerve damage

From: "lisa van der laan" <lizradnor@rglobal.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 03:53:58 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "lisa van der laan" <lizradnor@rglobal.net>:





-----Original Message-----

From: p_iannone@lamg.com <p_iannone@lamg.com>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: dinsdag 2 februari 1999 11:06

Subject: Re: Nerve damage





>To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:

>

>> Massaging

>> the hand with calendula oil or cream may help regain some mobility.

>

>Calendula should not be put on open wounds. It stings quite a bit.

>

>Paul

>

>Hi! I have just seen the message "nerve damage'.  I do not know what

exactly is the damage and how did it occur?  Could you fill us in?  There

are things we could mention, but it is preferrable to have more details.ok?

Thanks.  Congratulations for taking charge of your own health, and seeking

answers.  llizradnor@rglobal.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Nerve damage

From: KaiforChi@aol.com

Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 19:46:17 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from KaiforChi@aol.com:



I cut the palm of my hand (not deep, but took 5 stitches). Cannot extend my

middle and ring finger without screaming pain. Doc said it might take several

weeks or months to recover from subcutaneous nerve damage. Any ideas? This is

my mouse and writing hand; also, I have about 1% strength in that hand. Also,

need ideas about coping with having only one (non-dominant) functioning hand.

He prescribed Vicaden for pain--but so far (2 days), I have no relief. Wound

site doesn't hurt much--it's movement of bad fingers or trying to use thumb

and forefinger (say, to open a screw-on bottle, or door, etc.) that is also a

killer.



tia

kai





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Nerve damage

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:31:36 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



I'd take St. John's wort tincture, 1/2 dropper 3 times a day for several

weeks and up the antioxidants.  And investigate using magnets to help

speed the healing- Michael Tierra has a very good article on his site at

www.Planetherbs.com



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.                  

                "Treating an illness after it has begun is like

suppressing revolt after

it has broken out."      The Yellow Emperor's Classic of Medicine



On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 19:46:17 EST KaiforChi@aol.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from KaiforChi@aol.com:

>

>I cut the palm of my hand (not deep, but took 5 stitches). Cannot 

>extend my

>middle and ring finger without screaming pain. Doc said it might take 

>several

>weeks or months to recover from subcutaneous nerve damage. Any ideas? 

>This is

>my mouse and writing hand; also, I have about 1% strength in that 

>hand. Also,

>need ideas about coping with having only one (non-dominant) 

>functioning hand.

>He prescribed Vicaden for pain--but so far (2 days), I have no relief. 

>Wound

>site doesn't hurt much--it's movement of bad fingers or trying to use 

>thumb

>and forefinger (say, to open a screw-on bottle, or door, etc.) that is 

>also a

>killer.

>

>tia

>kai

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Nerve damage

From: brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor)

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:38:10 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor):



I'd also start using Dr. Christopher's BF&C Ointment.  A carpenter friend

was putting it on his knees and told me that his right hand (the one he

uses for hammering and the one he used to apply the ointment to his knees)

has regained some of its lost feeling.  It doesn't tingle and hurt like it

used to.  Oh, and his knees are doing better, also.  I have no commercial

gain from this - email me directly if you'd like their 800 #.



Rusty



>I'd take St. John's wort tincture, 1/2 dropper 3 times a day for several

>weeks and up the antioxidants.  And investigate using magnets to help

>speed the healing- Michael Tierra has a very good article on his site at

>www.Planetherbs.com

>

>Karen Vaughan



>

>On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 19:46:17 EST KaiforChi@aol.com writes:

>>To herb@MyList.net from KaiforChi@aol.com:

>>

>>I cut the palm of my hand (not deep, but took 5 stitches). Cannot

>>extend my

>>middle and ring finger without screaming pain. Doc said it might take

>>several

>>weeks or months to recover from subcutaneous nerve damage. Any ideas?

(snip)



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Nerve damage

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:55:49 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>>>I cut the palm of my hand (not deep, but took 5 stitches). Cannot

>>>extend my

>>>middle and ring finger without screaming pain. Doc said it might take

>>>several

>>>weeks or months to recover from subcutaneous nerve damage. Any ideas?





Lavendar oil will speed healing as will comfrey.  I would recommend soaking

the hand in a strong infusion of comfrey, slippery elm and lobelia.  Apply

the Lavender oil after the soak.  Soak for 30-60 minutes daily.  Massaging

the hand with calendula oil or cream may help regain some mobility.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Nerve damage

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:51:12 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Massaging

> the hand with calendula oil or cream may help regain some mobility.



Calendula should not be put on open wounds. It stings quite a bit.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Nerve damage

From: Lory2x2@aol.com

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:04:24 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Lory2x2@aol.com:



In a message dated 1/31/99 5:47:44 PM Mountain Standard Time,

KaiforChi@aol.com writes:

<< I cut the palm of my hand (not deep, but took 5 stitches). Cannot extend my

 middle and ring finger without screaming pain. Doc said it might take several

weeks or months to recover from subcutaneous nerve damage. Any ideas? >>

 Kai - you might try a salve made with St. John's wort infused oil - a local

health food store might have some. We make our own, but obviously it's the

wrong sesaon for picking flowers.    Lory



Lory2x2@aol.com

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Nerve damage

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 23:26:26 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:







Lory2x2@aol.com wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from Lory2x2@aol.com:

>

> In a message dated 1/31/99 5:47:44 PM Mountain Standard Time,

> KaiforChi@aol.com writes:

> << I cut the palm of my hand (not deep, but took 5 stitches). Cannot extend my

>  middle and ring finger without screaming pain. Doc said it might take several

> weeks or months to recover from subcutaneous nerve damage. Any ideas? >>

> >



>Last time I researched nerve healing it was 6 months per square inch " normal

healingtime"  that means no vitamin or herbs--just thought some one might find

this information

interesting.

Herbally, Harriett









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Nerve damage

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:38:08 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



Doc said it might take several

>> weeks or months to recover from subcutaneous nerve damage. Any ideas? >>

>> >

>

>>Last time I researched nerve healing it was 6 months per square inch "

normal

>healingtime"  that means no vitamin or herbs--just thought some one might

find

>this information

>interesting.





Depends on how bad the injury is.   My daughter slammed into a log while

sledding in the 5th grade (10 yrs old).   A stump of branch went to the bone

just below the knee.  She is only now getting feeling in the area of the

injury.  She's now 20.







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: "lisa van der laan" <lizradnor@rglobal.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 04:26:05 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "lisa van der laan" <lizradnor@rglobal.net>:





-----Original Message-----

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: dinsdag 2 februari 1999 10:26

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve





>To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:

>

>>> consider a footbath with some things like White Oak bark or Alder cones

>>> prior to the soothing cream.

>>

>>White oak bark and alder are full of tannin - thus are also drying

>

>

>True but they are also anti-fungal and anti-bacterial which is why I might

>make the recommendation  IF there is a problem with infection.  Following

>with creams might offset their dryness.  Steps should aslo be taken to

>"lubricate" internally.  If there is dryness, the spleen is not functioning

>as it should.  I should think that this would be an expected result of

>diabetes.

>

>In the Advanced treatise in Herbology, Dr.E. Shook gives a formula for

diabetres:

Put one ounce Glauber's salt [sodium sulfate ]  into 2 quarts hot watwer and

stir until dissolved.  Then take of:   geranium root-2 ozs.; lily of the

valley root 2 ozs; star grass [aletris ] 4 ozs; echinacea root 4 ozs;

cascara sagrada [sacred bark ] 4 ozs.  Mix all together, and put into the

above solution and boil slowly for 30 minutes.  Strain, and return

tosaucepan and boil till reduced to 1 pint. add 12 fluid ozs. glycerine and

shake well.  When cold, bottle, and keep in a cold  place. dose: 1

teasponful to a dessertspoonful in water 3 or 4 times daily until the bowels

are eliminating perfectly. Then regulate the dose to suit the needs either

increasing or decreasing it.    Explanation: Its great antiseptic power

immediately checks decay. Its cleansing and laxative action  cleans every

inch of the colon, and either gently or drastically forces out all fecal

matter according to the dose.  The diuretic action of the lily root and star

grass does not permit any useless waste to lon remain in the tubules.

Echinacea takes care of pus, and geranium estores tone to the epithelium.

The lilyroot is not onkly a diuretic of great power, but it also a great

heaert tonic, slowing and tning its action much more effectively and safely

than deadly digitalis.  You will be amazesd at the results you will get."  I

know a lady from the Phillipines who took this formula and was delighted

with the results.  I know a gentleman whose feet had turned black because of

his diabetes, and he tied magnets on them and  the feet soon became a

healthy pink. The circulation had been restored.  According to Hanna Kroeger

{ Instant vitamin and mineral Locator ] diabetics need vitamins B1,B2, B6

,B12, B3, Vitamin C, E, Lecithin, and Potassium.  Dry skin is usually

connected to Vitamin a deficiency.  In his book: Raw Juice Therapy" John

Lust suggests the following juices:

Carrot 10, spinach 6 ozs.; or carrrot 7, celery 4, parsley 2, spinach 3 ozs;

or  carrotrs 6 ozs;, lettuce 4, string bean3, brussels sprouts 3 ozs.; or

Carrots 7 ozs.,    celery 5,  endive 2, parsley 2 ozs.  Take in small sips.

take one mixture for a day or two, then try rhe next formula, etc.  get a

variety.   Dr. Julian Whittaker cures diabetics.  He is in Huntington Beach,

CA.  Contact us about the magnets, and other stuff we think will help you

Kind regards, lizradnor@rglobal.net









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To: APOTHECARY@KJSL.COM

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:06:36 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



I want to make up a salve or emulsified creme for a friend with

insulin-dependent, type 2 diabetes.  He has problems with the skin of his

feet drying out, cracking and getting infected with fungal or other

organisms.  



My intention is to make something to use between acute conditions that

would prevent the problem and which could clear up minor skin iritation. 

However I am not well acquainted with the problem of capillary damage

from diabetes and I know conditions can be quite serious.  Is there

anything that would contraindicate capsicum or cinnamon essential oil to

increase circulation?



My idea is to make a warming and anti-infective creme of oils infused

with St. John's wort, yarrow, and calendula, with essential oils of rose,

cinnamon, and capsicum and grapefruit seed extract, thickened with

beeswax, emulsified with water and tincture of witch hazel.  Is anything

about this a bad idea?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.                  

                "Treating an illness after it has begun is like

suppressing revolt after

it has broken out."      The Yellow Emperor's Classic of Medicine





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To: <herb@MyList.net>, <APOTHECARY@KJSL.COM>

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:48:25 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>I want to make up a salve or emulsified creme for a friend with

>insulin-dependent, type 2 diabetes.  He has problems with the skin of his

>feet drying out, cracking and getting infected with fungal or other

>organisms.

>

>My intention is to make something to use between acute conditions that

>would prevent the problem and which could clear up minor skin iritation.

>However I am not well acquainted with the problem of capillary damage

>from diabetes and I know conditions can be quite serious.  Is there

>anything that would contraindicate capsicum or cinnamon essential oil to

>increase circulation?



I would think these would aid in circulation.  You might also consider Ginko

b. to aid in circulation.  I would also consider Siberian Ginseng.  Of

course all these would be taken internally but they might also lend effect

externally.  Don't forget the wonderful properties of Plantain in your

cream.



>

>My idea is to make a warming and anti-infective creme of oils infused

>with St. John's wort, yarrow, and calendula, with essential oils of rose,

>cinnamon, and capsicum and grapefruit seed extract, thickened with

>beeswax, emulsified with water and tincture of witch hazel.  Is anything

>about this a bad idea?



cinnamon might be drying as would witch hazel.  Go very easy on the

capsicum, I would think.  Don't forget some Plantain.  maybe you should

consider a footbath with some things like White Oak bark or Alder cones

prior to the soothing cream.







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 00:32:41 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>:



> I want to make up a salve or emulsified creme for a friend with

> insulin-dependent, type 2 diabetes.  He has problems with the skin of his

> feet drying out, cracking and getting infected with fungal or other

> organisms.  

> 

> My intention is to make something to use between acute conditions that

> would prevent the problem and which could clear up minor skin iritation. 

> However I am not well acquainted with the problem of capillary damage

> from diabetes and I know conditions can be quite serious.  Is there

> anything that would contraindicate capsicum or cinnamon essential oil to

> increase circulation?



	The problem with capsicum is that chronic use of it inhibits a substance

called substance P (P for Pain) from being able to be utilized at the site

of persistent use.  This is why arthritis sufferers use capsicum creams. 

Diabetics, in general do NOT need diminished sense of pain in the feet.  I

would instead add ginko into the diet to increase peripheral circulation

internally.

	Cinnamon EO can be irritating in cracked skin - especially so for

allergy

prone or sensitive individuals. 

	Also warming salves on the feet will make his feet sweat, ultimately

causing them to be cold and uncomfortable.  Many people discontinue warming

foot salves for this reason. 

	The more out of control the blood sugar, the more prone the feet are to

cracks.  I'd suspect your friend does not have his blood sugar in control. 

I'd also question the amount of exercise his feet are getting.  A few

minutes of toe-heel flexes, alternating hot and cold (add oatmeal to

prevent cracks) foot baths, a foot massage or a brisk walk (which will also

help lower blood sugar levels when high)  will be more effective at

increasing foot circulation -AND there is no worry about the cream being

too hot for delicate diabetic skin.

	Research using devil's club (Oplopanax horridum) to help get sugar

levels

under control - seaweeds for mineral support - and hardest of all for

diabetics... no cheating at diet! 



> My idea is to make a warming and anti-infective creme of oils infused

> with St. John's wort, yarrow, and calendula, with essential oils of rose,

> cinnamon, and capsicum and grapefruit seed extract, thickened with

> beeswax, emulsified with water and tincture of witch hazel.  Is anything

> about this a bad idea?



I would discard the rose as is astringent - drying, same with the witch

hazel.

Could emulsify with aloe gel instead of water - or a simple strained

oatmeal broth to add soothing mucilage and a protective silica barrier to

the cream.  (must refrigerate)



Consider adding comfrey root for healing - very effective in combo with St.

Johns.

JoyceW  





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 00:33:06 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>:





----------

> cinnamon might be drying as would witch hazel.  Go very easy on the

> capsicum, I would think.  Don't forget some Plantain.  maybe you should

> consider a footbath with some things like White Oak bark or Alder cones

> prior to the soothing cream.



White oak bark and alder are full of tannin - thus are also drying



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 00:38:45 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>:



Duh. My last post was supposed to say "a blood-moving herb taken as a tea".



Sorry.



Sarah





At 03:06 PM 2/1/99 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

>I want to make up a salve or emulsified creme for a friend with

>insulin-dependent, type 2 diabetes.  He has problems with the skin of his

>feet drying out, cracking and getting infected with fungal or other

>organisms.  

(snip)

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		Student at National College of Phytotherapy,

			    Albuquerque, NM







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 01:22:31 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>:



I think I REALLY could have used that salve when I got athlete's foot from

the communal showers in my college dorm! ;)  What about supplementing it

with a blood-moving herb to increase circulation to those areas, and

hopefully keep further problems from developing?



Sarah



At 03:06 PM 2/1/99 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

>I want to make up a salve or emulsified creme for a friend with

>insulin-dependent, type 2 diabetes.  He has problems with the skin of his

>feet drying out, cracking and getting infected with fungal or other

>organisms.  

(snip)







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:07:07 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





> Research using devil's club (Oplopanax horridum) to help get sugar

>levels

>under control - seaweeds for mineral support - and hardest of all for

>diabetics... no cheating at diet!

>





I have been experimenting with Oplopanax in Type II diabetes.  It seems that

strong doses are needed and it is better if it is accompanied by other

herbs.  I have added Panax Ginseng, Gymnema sylvestre, Rhemania, psyllium

with limited success.  Diet is key as is weight loss.  When the weight is

down it works better.  There is a connection between body fat and sugar

metabolism.  The more body fat the harder it is for the herbs to balance the

mechanisms.  You'll find that blood sugars go down dramatically with weight

loss and it is easier to control with diet alone.







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:11:35 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>> consider a footbath with some things like White Oak bark or Alder cones

>> prior to the soothing cream.

>

>White oak bark and alder are full of tannin - thus are also drying





True but they are also anti-fungal and anti-bacterial which is why I might

make the recommendation  IF there is a problem with infection.  Following

with creams might offset their dryness.  Steps should aslo be taken to

"lubricate" internally.  If there is dryness, the spleen is not functioning

as it should.  I should think that this would be an expected result of

diabetes.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:06:26 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I have been experimenting with Oplopanax in Type II diabetes.  It seems that

> strong doses are needed and it is better if it is accompanied by other

> herbs.  I have added Panax Ginseng, Gymnema sylvestre, Rhemania, psyllium

> with limited success.



The finest herb for this complaint (if indeed it is middle diabetes) is

so-called 'Prince' ginseng, Pseudostellaria heterophylla. Other obvious herb

choices are licorice, dendrobium (which together make an excellent beverage for

all sorts of middle 'jiao' dryness or overwork); American ginseng, white peony

root, slippery elm, red dates, and astragalus.



The points you make about weight loss are indeed very valid. Fat is accumulated

'earth' energy...if it can be reconverted to available Qi, actually it is an

advantage. A thin diabetic is in much worse shape than a lean one.



Paul

(taoistherbs.com, online soon)







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:10:38 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>:



> >> consider a footbath with some things like White Oak bark or Alder cones

> >> prior to the soothing cream.

> >White oak bark and alder are full of tannin - thus are also drying

> True but they are also anti-fungal and anti-bacterial which is why I might

> make the recommendation  IF there is a problem with infection.  Following

> with creams might offset their dryness.  Steps should aslo be taken to

> "lubricate" internally.  If there is dryness, the spleen is not functioning

> as it should.  I should think that this would be an expected result of

> diabetes.



A cream might offset dryness, but since dryness is a concern, we'd want to

counter it, not bring in additional drying elements.  I'd work with an

antifungal to begin with that is not drying...such as thyme, lavender, or

even mild lemon balm.



If you could please expand what you mean by lubricate internally? 

Mucilage? EFA's? Minerals?     

Which ones and preferred applications?

JoyceW







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:41:38 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sun, 12 Jan 1997 04:26:05 -0800, "lisa van der laan" <lizradnor@rglobal.net>

wrote to <herb@MyList.net>:



>take one mixture for a day or two, then try rhe next formula, etc.  get a

>variety.   Dr. Julian Whittaker cures diabetics.  He is in Huntington Beach,

>CA.  Contact us about the magnets, and other stuff we think will help you



First, the lengthy formula in above post sounds really weird. Like it was first

concocted back in the 1850's, with no idea of what makes diabetes tick.



Second, as this evidently was an ad, Lisa is no longer with us.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 05:42:18 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> >In the Advanced treatise in Herbology, Dr.E. Shook gives a formula for

> diabetres: Put one ounce Glauber's salt [sodium sulfate ]  into 2 quarts hot

watwer and

> stir until dissolved.  



WHY give sodium to a diabetic?



> Then take of:   geranium root-2 ozs.; 



> lily of the valley root 2 ozs; star grass [aletris ] 4 ozs; echinacea root 4

ozs;



WHY give echinacea to a diabetic?



> cascara sagrada [sacred bark ] 4 ozs.  



WHY give laxatives to a diabetic?



> Explanation: Its great antiseptic power

> immediately checks decay. 



So this is for gangrene? 



>Its cleansing and laxative action  cleans every

> inch of the colon, and either gently or drastically forces out all fecal

> matter according to the dose.  



So this is based on Colonic theory? What a stretch. Diabetes, WHEREVER it is,

is a DEFICIENCY condition. That means that organs are exhausted. You do not

'add' energy by purging. You further deplete it. 



These theories only work with the strong. The weak will be flattened by this

sort of therapy, and diabetics are very often weak constitutions.



>The diuretic action of the lily root and star

> grass does not permit any useless waste to lon remain in the tubules.



Giving diabetics diuretics is a weird idea. Chinese healing uses so-called

'disinhibitors' if needed, but as a general therapy this isn't the first

choice.



> Echinacea takes care of pus, and geranium estores tone to the epithelium.



See? Gangrene! NOT diabetes per se, but late stage degenerative diabetes. 



> The lilyroot is not onkly a diuretic of great power, but it also a great

> heaert tonic, slowing and tning its action much more effectively and safely

> than deadly digitalis.  



Lily root and Lilly of the Valley root are two different things as far as I

know. The one is something like peony or slippery elm...a demulcent, a very

appropriate class of herbs for diabetes. The second is a stimulant herb which

may very well harm diabetics, which is, if I don't miss my bet, in this formula

to reduce cardiac edema, another >late stage problem.



>You will be amazesd at the results you will get."  I

> know a lady from the Phillipines who took this formula and was delighted

> with the results.  I know a gentleman whose feet had turned black because of

> his diabetes, and he tied magnets on them and  the feet soon became a

> healthy pink. The circulation had been restored. 



Pullease.



> Contact us about the magnets, and other stuff we think will help you

> Kind regards, lizradnor@rglobal.net



Spreading myths, misconceptions, and poorly labelled half-truths is no way to

proceed in healing.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:26:22 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> [in diabetic cases] If there is dryness, the spleen is not functioning

> as it should.



In 'middle' type diabetes, yes, that's true. But upper or lower can have OK

spleen function. If the kidneys are 'dry' (lack of yin), that alone is a cause.

If the lungs are 'dry,' that alone is a cause. 



There are three different diastheses recognized in Chinese healing for this

'disease.'



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:26:29 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I think I REALLY could have used that salve when I got athlete's foot from

> the communal showers in my college dorm! ;)  What about supplementing it

> with a blood-moving herb to increase circulation to those areas, and

> hopefully keep further problems from developing?



In chronic cases, ok. But remember (or learn, :0) that MOVING anything DRIES

it. While this drying effect might be good for a damp foot (I'm a swimmer, so

towel off carefully every time the foot gets wet and most problems will be

eliminated)----it might not be so good, for instance, for a woman who already

has blood dryness problems (dry scalp, brittle hair, lack of concentration,

emotional emptiness, insomnia, etc.).



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Parkinson's information

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:47:55 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



I heard today on Living On Earth, broadcast on National Public Radio stations

including WFPL in Louisville KY, about a study at Cornell University linking

pesticide exposure, also smoking, as a high risk factor in Parkinson's disease.

Living On Earth has a web site at www.livingonearth.org.



Agriculture uses some very toxic chemicals that require special license and can

not legally be sold to the general public or home gardeners.  Poisoning has been

a problem with migrant farm workers and farmers too.  Farmers and farm workers

have to wear respirator and protective covering over the whole body when

applying the more toxic chemicals but can't be expected to wear this protective

gear 24 hours a day.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Parkinson's information

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 00:39:59 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I heard today on Living On Earth, broadcast on National Public Radio

> stations including WFPL in Louisville KY, about a study at Cornell

> University linking pesticide exposure, also smoking, as a high risk

> factor in Parkinson's disease. Living On Earth has a web site at

> www.livingonearth.org.



The particular study I was noting was from California. It was a genetic

connection study, not a risk-factor study.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Advice for vaginitis

From: "Skher Brown" <skherb@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 09:15:33 PST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Skher Brown" <skherb@hotmail.com>:





  My wife is experiencing what the doctor has labeled vaginitis.  it's 

acute to the point that when she has gas the pressure against the region 

hurts.  i am thinking that this inflammation is due to a build-up of 

bacteria and thought of approaching it from this standpoint.  the doctor 

has prescribed some antibiotics but i also wanted to get folks thoughts 

on natural remedies.  any thoughts guys?



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Advice for vaginitis

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:12:32 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



I'd go for the acidophilous/vinegar douche.  Antibiotics are likely to

make it worse.  And have her take the acidophilous and full complement of

probiotic foods to reestablish her gut bacteria so she won't have the

gas- blue cheese, full-fat plain yogurt from the health food store, miso,

unpasteurized sauerkraut, buttermilk, etc.  And avoid sugar and flour

until the gas subsides [there may be candida- in which case she needs to

avoid fermentable foods (sugar, flour, yeast, sweet wine, many fruits)

for a year or two.]



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

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                "Treating an illness after it has begun is like

suppressing revolt after

it has broken out."      The Yellow Emperor's Classic of Medicine



On Mon, 01 Feb 1999 09:15:33 PST "Skher Brown" <skherb@hotmail.com>

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Skher Brown" <skherb@hotmail.com>:

>

>

>  My wife is experiencing what the doctor has labeled vaginitis.  it's 

>

>acute to the point that when she has gas the pressure against the 

>region 

>hurts.  i am thinking that this inflammation is due to a build-up of 

>bacteria and thought of approaching it from this standpoint.  the 

>doctor 

>has prescribed some antibiotics but i also wanted to get folks 

>thoughts 

>on natural remedies.  any thoughts guys?

>

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Advice for vaginitis

From: Okwaha@aol.com

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:22:16 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Okwaha@aol.com:



In a message dated 2/1/99 9:16:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, skherb@hotmail.com

writes:



<< To herb@MyList.net from "Skher Brown" <skherb@hotmail.com>:

  >>

To the person looking for a remedy for his wifes vaginitis. The doctor gave me

many different antiobotics trying to cure the vaginitis I developed about six

months passed and I got tired of being ill. After going to an herbalist and

was give Tea Tree Oil Suppositories my infection cleared up withen days and

have had no problem since. The suppositories can be gotton at most health food

stores where vitimins and herbs can be found. Maggie





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: Nettles

From: Diana Rae <DianaRae@FairIsaac.com>

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:28:53 -0800 

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To herb@MyList.net from Diana Rae <DianaRae@FairIsaac.com>:



Sorry I'm so dense, but how do you pound them?  



:D



-----Original Message-----

From: Hazelanne Lewis [mailto:p.d.lewis@ic.ac.uk]

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 1999 6:41 AM

To: herb@mylist.net

Subject: Nettles





To herb@MyList.net from Hazelanne Lewis <p.d.lewis@ic.ac.uk>:



If you pound nettles they lose their sting. The pounding is cooling and

soothing. I use it against nettle rash, insect bites etc.

Hazelanne





mailto:p.d.lewis@ic.ac.uk

<AHREF="mailto:p.d.lewis@ic.ac.uk">mailto:p.d.lewis@ic.ac.uk"</a



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Nettles

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:10:45 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:28:53 -0800 , Diana Rae <DianaRae@FairIsaac.com> wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>Sorry I'm so dense, but how do you pound them?  



You crush nettles any which way you choose.

If I wish to use fresh nettles (ie. unboiled), I use gloves, a plastic bag, and

something to roll with pressure. Bottles work fine. The finer details are left

as an exercise for the reader.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Nettles

From: Hazelanne Lewis <p.d.lewis@ic.ac.uk>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:41:18 +0000

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Hazelanne Lewis <p.d.lewis@ic.ac.uk>:



Don't forget I do this when I am in Tudor mode. I pound nettles using an

enormous pestle and mortar. I've not tried it, but maybe a foodprocessor

would have the same effect.

Hazelanne





mailto:p.d.lewis@ic.ac.uk

<AHREF="mailto:p.d.lewis@ic.ac.uk">mailto:p.d.lewis@ic.ac.uk"</a



Hamba Gahle









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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Vaginitis

From: Shannon Kinnard <shannon@ideastation.com>

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:25:25 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Shannon Kinnard <shannon@ideastation.com>:





>>To herb@MyList.net from "Skher Brown" <skherb@hotmail.com>:

>>

>  My wife is experiencing what the doctor has labeled vaginitis.  it's 

> acute to the point that when she has gas the

> pressure against the region hurts.  i am thinking that this inflammation 

>is due to a build-up of bacteria and thought of

> approaching it from this standpoint.  the doctor has prescribed some 

>antibiotics but i also wanted to get folks thoughts

> on natural remedies.  any thoughts guys?





I talked to my pharmacist dad about your question. He said, first, that it 

could be a whole range of things.



If it's a yeast infection, yogurt and cranberry juice can help (it can't 

hurt). He's also seen success with patients using enzymes. Plantidophilus 

is the enzyme formula to use for this.



The only other thing is, if she's 45+ and vaginal dryness is the problem, 

she might consider natural hormones (like estrogen). But that's probably a 

topic for another list.



Shannon



Shannon Kinnard, Editor of "The Balance" by KinnardsPharmacy.com

mailto:balance-request@listhost.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Vaginitis

From: Tsadi@aol.com

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:01:36 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Tsadi@aol.com:



In a message dated 99-02-01 17:21:22 EST, you write:



<< >>To herb@MyList.net from "Skher Brown" <skherb@hotmail.com>:

 >>

 >  My wife is experiencing what the doctor has labeled vaginitis.  it's 

 > acute to the point that when she has gas the

 > pressure against the region hurts.  i am thinking that this inflammation 

 >is due to a build-up of bacteria and thought of

 > approaching it from this standpoint.  the doctor has prescribed some 

 >antibiotics but i also wanted to get folks thoughts

 > on natural remedies.  any thoughts guys? >>



it sounds like you're getting good advice from the list on this. one more

thing though...if your wife is getting treated, you might consider getting

treated as well. men can be asymptomatic carriers  -- getting the whatever

from their wives, who get better with treatment, but relapse with infection

once relations resume with their husbands.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Vaginitis

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 07:43:42 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:







Skher Brown wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from "Skher Brown" <skherb@hotmail.com>:

>

> Many, Many thanks to all who responsed!  we will inform you of our

> course of action and results.

>

> Skher

>

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Finally something in my area of expertise

  I found a product that works for me and  my clients as long as you

catch it early.

It is called Fem Cleanse douche concentrate made by IMHOTEP It is made

from the

grapefruit Extract and the following herbs:  Goldenseal, calendula,

yellow dock, red clover, red raspberry leaf.  I have used it for

external symptoms with out having to douche also.

For vaginal dryness I recommend those wonderful mexican yam creams that

you rub on

the skin.  Most ladies in the 40's are in the 10 years before menopause

and can use a little help from herbs. There are other formulas that have

other herbs so that estrogen and progesterone are in "normal" (depending

upon what week it is) proportions that seem to help our sisters during

menopause.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: hypothyroidism

From: Marie Bell <marieb@estipro.com>

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:52:38 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Marie Bell <marieb@estipro.com>:



On Sun, Jan 31, 1999, Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:



>In some thyroid problems you went through a positive feedback loop,

>effectively

>burning out your thyroid, leaving you with -no- thyroid hormone,

necessitating

>lifelong thyroid hormone pill popping. No practitioner, no matter how good,

>will

>be able to resurrect that dead a horse.



Ah, so true. Wish I hadn't been so dumb when I started taking these

little pills. I've tried all kinds of alternatives too late!



Marie







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: hypothyroidism

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 00:40:19 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Paul, you said that thyroid pills for hypothyroidism are bad. What do you

> recommend for that condition? Thank you.--Alice



The point was that what you need for that 'condition' is a DIAGNOSIS.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: hypothyroidism

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:08:39 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> No practitioner, no matter how good,

> >will be able to resurrect that dead a horse.

> 

> Ah, so true. Wish I hadn't been so dumb when I started taking these

> little pills. I've tried all kinds of alternatives too late!



Naw, no one short of radiation killing of the organ, and even then, knows when

the organ is destroyed (except excision, of course). Keep trying! Better

diagnosis, better treatment, better followthrough...better results. 



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: help for allergies

From: Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 00:35:42 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>:



At 12:09 PM 1/31/99 +0200, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>:

>

>Sarah Hasler wrote:

>> 

>> I myself have used an alcohol tincture containing lobelia in 

>> combination with other herbs for asthma, with great success. 

>

>Would you care to share this combination with us?

>

>-Miikkali

>



Certainly. It is, as follows:



Ganoderma lucidum (Reishi) 40 ml

Ceanothus (Red Root) 60 ml

Taraxacum off. (dandelion) 60 ml

Liguisticum (Osha) 60 ml

Lobelia 30 ml



This formula was developed for me after a consultation with a local

herbalist. Since it was specific for me, I would assume that not all asthma

sufferers would get the same good results that I did.



Sarah





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: help for allergies

From: T B <thimbleberry@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:05:10 CST

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On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi> 

wrote:



>> You MUST use caution with this however.  Overdose when smoking

>> is very easy.  It can cause headache, trembling, nausea and

>> other undesireable side effects when overdosed.

>

> I disagree with this, for the reason you yourself spell out above.

> When smoking, I think it is much easier to control dosage because

> the results are almost immediate. But this is merely speculation;

> I have not smoked coltsfoot or lobelia myself. Comments, anyone?



Howie's "Herbal Smoking Mixtures" states:

   

   Medicine: There are a variety of medicinal uses of smoking 

   mixtures. One can use calming or tranquilizing herbs to relax 

   physically or mentally. Some herbs can be smoked for calming the 

   lungs or to aid in expectoration. The difference between poison 

   and medicine is dosage; smoking a strong herb is one way to 

   regulate its dosage.



What I've found, though, with the current mugwort product I'm 

testing is that the headache from too much comes a day and a half 

later, after smoking too much.  I'm currently testing a home made 

tincture of it to see if the same happens.



Thimbleberry



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Subject: Re: Simple remedies

From: Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 00:36:22 -0700 (MST)

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At 07:32 AM 1/31/99 EST, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Magda2@aol.com:

>

>In a message dated 1/31/99 2:38:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>hasler@highfiber.com writes:

>

>> Usually for allergies they're taken freeze-dried, but you DON'T want to eat

>>  them raw! The little stingers wouldn't be very good for your insides ;)

>My hubby uses the Freeze-Dried Stinging Nettles from the Eclectic Institute

>out of Oregon I believe (NCI). He finds they bring him much relief. Your

local

>health food store should carry them............and if not they can order them

>for you too,as mine did.

>



Same brand I've used, with good results. As an interesting sidenote, I

sprinkled some onto my cats' food when they seemed to be a little under the

weather. Both of them seemed to LOVE the taste, which really surprized me.



Sarah

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Your thoughts needed: how could I refuse?

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 00:41:10 -0700 (MST)

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> To herb@MyList.net from "natural" <natural@wt.net>:

> 

> Paul:  The Tofu compress fascinates me.  Can you expound on this.

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Rosie



Standard coastal asian therapy for burns. Soy beans and especially tofu have a

cold energy. Thus, through complimentarity, tofu feels damn good on the skin,

especially hot-irritated or hot skin. The other obvious plant is >>aloe vera<<.

I am so stupid not to have mentioned that immediately. That's the miracle plant

in this case, for sure.



You know, I want to compliment all the healers and all the plant people on the

list. After the paradigm disputes of the last week (thank you for your

tolerance--it is thankfully rare), I praise everyone who looks around and finds

friends and teachers, not weeds. 



The encroachments of scientific analysis on matters of >the heart< (and WHO

ever proved that healing was done with machines instead of the heart???) have

the effect of making them sound like subjects that are about >the mind<. Just

so with healing. 

Instead of settling oneselves down for a quiet, heartfelt chat with the plants,

some think to get technological, hyperrational, mechanical...to reconnect

themselves with health! That's miles from healthy. 



You and a date and a willing horse or two, a million acres of Colorado or

Finland or Southern California or anywhere else with no one else on it, a

bottle of wine, an apple, fresh bread, a slice each of two cheeses with

character, a bulb of garlic, some pepper, a dandelion, long grass, a stream, a

dragonfly, a hummingbird or a hawk, and a free afternoon-->>>that's healthy.

Toss in a big fluffy cloud, and the smell of hay. 



You'll never die if you get enough picnics. There were no deaths in the Garden.

One decent rose bush can alter your fate, remove your doom, introduce you to

love, and grant happy dreams. It is REAL magic.



Nylon underwear, a bottle of dangerous pills, the surrender to stress, and an

addiction to periodicals and authorities---that ain't what we're talking about,

OK?



Plants find all this hubub distantly interesting as usual. People have all

manner of funny ideas because their root to the earth is broken! 



Ginseng can fix that a bit, make you more of a plant so you don't blow away

like a feather. Plants can lend you roots. Tobacco can rebuild your heart. Tea

can settle your soul.



You want to be healthy? More trees. 



More trees, more food, less starving monkeys, happier society. That is the way

the food web--and in the larger sense, the plant/human web--works, already. 



We hardly need to improve it. Maybe a snip here or there, for the romance with

classicism. Certainly not a gas-powered nylon whip and every leaf broken.



Forget the food 'chain'--like life is some sort of bondage and discipline

party. Focussing on the violence makes you afraid--predicably. Handling plants

calms you, immediately. You go back to being sane. 



You can heal a person of "death from cancer"--->just by getting them to

garden---if you get them to start soon enough, and teach them how to listen and

release. 



Plants sway and relax into the dirt. They take reassurance in every breeze, and

every sunbeam. And you would be healthier if you did exactly the same. I kid

you not.



Gardeners, plant people know this better than priests. Plant people ARE

priests.



Consider this: We're like big bromeliads, air plants. And yet people don't even

take time to breathe. No wonder there is asthma and emotional and mental

illness and unhappiness. No root AND no air. Anaerobic. Entropic. Cut-off.



Here's a bonus thought: human beings have chaos if they violate their

naturalness---because of not having roots they find it hard to RETURN. 



Plants bring order, because they have roots. No chemicals need apply. The

active ingredient is LIFE.



Think on that for a while, and you will realize that it is MORE important for

the healer to handle or talk to the plant they are giving a person while

healing than what particular chemistry that particular sample has in it.

Henriette's ecological point taken to the point of magic: the plant sample

becomes whatever the healer wishes it to be.



That is the compost for the healing of thousands, with plants. Cause life don't

come out of machines, and you can't really feed a hungry person with words, or

heal a sick person with fine print.



Paul





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Your thoughts needed: how could I refuse?

From: "natural" <natural@wt.net>

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:50:52 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "natural" <natural@wt.net>:



Paul, thanks so much for the clarification on tofu compress.  Personally

can't eat tofu, get very bloated and uncomfortable in GI tract whenever I

try to eat it; same for soymilk, few cooked beans do not affect me.  Any

thoughts on this?



And thank for sharing your thoughts.  Friends and teachers all on this list

plus  the lovely herbs in the fields and gardens.



Paul, I have a Polygonum multiflorum in the back yard, the vine is taking

over; have referenced and found vine to be Caulis Polygoni Multiflori

indicated for yin deficiency with blood deficiency and also found external

use for rheumatism and urticaria.  Do you know how the external formula

would be prepared?



So many questions we have for you.  I'd love to find a book on preparing

Chinese herbs; to find, to touch and gather and prepare the herbs hold such

interest for me; much more than purchasing prepared formulations.  Can you

recommend such a book if it exists?  Also found not too far from home huge

bamboo field; have referenced and see so many different uses.



Yesterday located trees full of Fructus Lugustri Lucidi.  Have been ordering

it for my Mother who had saw black spots in front of eyes and the simple

decoction alleviated them.  haven't found reference if the fruit needs to be

prepared or just dried and used as is.  One reference indicated to partially

dry the fruit, then steam in honey and complete the drying process.



Any suggestions,



Thanks,





Rosie



>

>Standard coastal asian therapy for burns. Soy beans and especially tofu

have a

>cold energy. Thus, through complimentarity, tofu feels damn good on the

skin,

>especially hot-irritated or hot skin. The other obvious plant is >>aloe

vera<<.

>I am so stupid not to have mentioned that immediately. That's the miracle

plant

>in this case, for sure.

>

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Your thoughts needed: how could I refuse?

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 00:32:01 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Paul, thanks so much for the clarification on tofu compress.  Personally

> can't eat tofu, get very bloated and uncomfortable in GI tract whenever I

> try to eat it; same for soymilk, few cooked beans do not affect me.  Any

> thoughts on this?



Get some 'Beano' from the health food store. You cannot break down the

gas-producing chemicals in the beans (without outside enzymatic help). It's a

common metabolic limitation, easily corrected.



> Paul, I have a Polygonum multiflorum in the back yard, the vine is taking

> over; have referenced and found vine to be Caulis Polygoni Multiflori

> indicated for yin deficiency with blood deficiency and also found external

> use for rheumatism and urticaria.  Do you know how the external formula

> would be prepared?



No, heshouwu is not good for yin deficiency but for BLOOD deficiency. It is

another warming herb like danggui. Externally it is used raw, macerated, and

soaked in rice wine. But I wouldn't make too much of it, since there are

numerous herbs that can be made into liniments, which is what is being

discussed. The key point is that IF the urticaria is due to HEAT, then you have

no business applying a warming herb in alcohol, but had better stick to tofu

like I said.



Btw, on the previous heshouwu posting...I believe that the translation of the

term 'fo ti' is 'Buddha's Hand,' which is similar to herb names like Christ's

Blood, and medieval common names like that. Don't use it; it is one of those

ignorant mistakes that are all too common any more (like calling taijiquan 'tai

chi.' It never was 'chi,' it has always been 'ji' and the only reason why it is

'chi' is because someone at some point forgot that how to pronounce the word

they made out of roman letters, sort of like Mexico, or Paris...neither of

which was ever pronounced in the original language anything like what we

pronounce it now.



> So many questions we have for you.  I'd love to find a book on preparing

> Chinese herbs; 



There is a very good book on the subject...can't remember the name right now,

but it is inexpensive and available. I'll check my library tomorrow when I am

back.



>to find, to touch and gather and prepare the herbs hold such

> interest for me; much more than purchasing prepared formulations.  



Prepared formulations are a real boon to humankind, and formulation is a very

high art. But I understand what you're saying.



>Can you

> recommend such a book if it exists?  Also found not too far from home huge

> bamboo field; have referenced and see so many different uses.



Bamboo leaves are a useful cooling herb.



> Yesterday located trees full of Fructus Lugustri Lucidi.  Have been ordering

> it for my Mother who had saw black spots in front of eyes and the simple

> decoction alleviated them.  haven't found reference if the fruit needs to be

> prepared or just dried and used as is.  One reference indicated to partially

> dry the fruit, then steam in honey and complete the drying process.



It is dried and then decocted. But that is mostly for convenience in the

pharmacy...you can use them fresh just fine. Ligustrum is an excellent

blood/yin booster, which is why it helped in your mothers blood deficiency. She

should address deficiencies in her diet as well.



Paul







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Your thoughts needed: how could I refuse?

From: "natural" <natural@wt.net>

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:36:52 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "natural" <natural@wt.net>:





Hi Paul:

>

>Get some 'Beano' from the health food store. You cannot break down the

>gas-producing chemicals in the beans (without outside enzymatic help). It's

a

>common metabolic limitation, easily corrected.



thanks for the explanation; can live without tofu unless need "compress".

Honestly, don't like the taste.



 But I wouldn't make too much of it, since there are

>numerous herbs that can be made into liniments, which is what is being

>discussed. The key point is that IF the urticaria is due to HEAT, then you

have

>no business applying a warming herb in alcohol, but had better stick to

tofu

>like I said.



Good point about energies of herbs in salves.  Learned that years ago with

my own Lupus and my clients later.  Made external salves for joint

inflammation; cooling salves needed not the typical OTC arthritic salves;

same for rashes as you indicated. Did little more research on the heshouwu

vine; don't want to give it to compost heap; internal specific uses. Will

dry stem and incorporate in appropriate formula.

>

>Btw, on the previous heshouwu posting...I believe that the translation of

the

>term 'fo ti' is 'Buddha's Hand,' which is similar to herb names like

Christ's

>Blood, and medieval common names like that. Don't use it; it is one of

those

>ignorant mistakes that are all too common any more (like calling taijiquan

'tai

>chi.' It never was 'chi,' it has always been 'ji' and the only reason why

it is

>'chi' is because someone at some point forgot that how to pronounce the

word

>they made out of roman letters, sort of like Mexico, or Paris...neither of

>which was ever pronounced in the original language anything like what we

>pronounce it now.





Well Paul, this gets very confusing  for all.  Most know what chi is but no

ji.  I've seen so many different spellings of Chinese herbs sometimes

difficult to reference one I'm looking for.  Same for classic patented

formulas.

>

>There is a very good book on the subject...can't remember the name right

now,

>but it is inexpensive and available. I'll check my library tomorrow when I

am

>back.



Yes please.  Would love to have that reference and source to purchase.  Am

find several herbs in my city and need to bring them home.  Any other books

you think might be helpful would be appreciated.

>



>Prepared formulations are a real boon to humankind, and formulation is a

very

>high art. But I understand what you're saying.



Good, and I agree. Since I have sources for Chinese herbs and a few fresh

around here, not so difficult to put together a classic formula specific for

someone if I have the "recipe".  Also more cost effective for those on very

limited income. Don't have the knowledge yet to formulate my own.



>Bamboo leaves are a useful cooling herb.



Found another field of bamboo today.  Will have to do research on this one.

Ayurveda and Chinese.  Will be good study.  It's cold, sweet,

sedative,dissolving phlegm and relieving cough.  Purges fire, cools blood,

dissolves heated phlegm, anti-emetic, stabilizes the fetus; used with

bronchitis with thick sputum, hemoptysis, belching, comiting, hiccup,

insomnia, epilepsy, convulsion, fetal agitation in specific formulations.

What a useful herb.  Read sap is considered more of a phlegm dissoving

material, and leaf considered more of a fire-purging and anti-emetic

material.



>

>It is dried and then decocted. But that is mostly for convenience in the

>pharmacy...you can use them fresh just fine. Ligustrum is an excellent

>blood/yin booster, which is why it helped in your mothers blood deficiency.

She

>should address deficiencies in her diet as well.





Thank you Paul!  That's why I need the book you referenced unless I can

e-mail you for each herb I find--hehe.  It really helps floaters.

Wildcrafted about 3 pounds of Ligustrum L. berries today.  Have discussed

blood deficiency and appropriate diet with Mother.  She's quite happy with

her Ligustrum L berries and will not change diet.  sigh....so many like

that.  Yet, at least the floater are gone and she's happy.  Makes nice tea f

or her.



You are appreciated.



Rosie









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Your thoughts needed: how could I refuse?

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:55:11 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Well Paul, this gets very confusing  for all.  Most know what chi is but no

> ji.  



Doesn't matter...the 'chi' is actually 'ji' and has nothing, never had anything

to do with qi. Ji means polar.



>I've seen so many different spellings of Chinese herbs sometimes

> difficult to reference one I'm looking for.  Same for classic patented

> formulas.



They aren't 'patented,' they are patent medicines, which meant at one point

what we now would call 'branded.' Not just 'cornsilk' in bulk, but Payless

Brand Cornsilk. 



It has nothing to do with patents.



> >There is a very good book on the subject...can't remember the name right

> now, but it is inexpensive and available. I'll check my library tomorrow when

I

> am back.



Foster, Yue; Herbal Emissaries. Healing Arts Press. 1992

ISBN 0-89281-349-0



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Your thoughts needed: how could I refuse?

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 18:21:28 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> PAUL:  thank you very much.  Will try to find it this weekend locally.

> 

> Rosie

> 

> >Foster, Yue; Herbal Emissaries. Healing Arts Press. 1992

> >ISBN 0-89281-349-0



REALLY a great book. Anyone interested in plants should have this book.

Certainly the best example of a comprehensive plant person's herbal, even

though it is only Chinese herbs.



Paul





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Rosacea

From: "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:33:42 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>:



Can any of you respond to this affliction?   Can you tell me if it is a

heat related problem and if so , how would you go about treating it,

internal and/or external.



It is for a very dear friend.



Thank you,

Marcia Wilson

Journeywoman Herbalist







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Rosacea

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:06:36 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Can any of you respond to this affliction?   Can you tell me if it is a

> heat related problem and if so , how would you go about treating it,

> internal and/or external.

> 

> It is for a very dear friend.



Rosacea is certainly heat related (heat in the blood stage). Ask the person

about nightsweats and caffeine usage, and menstrual and psychological disorders

(assuming the person is of the gender that has a psyche :-0).



Paul







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Another question

From: "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:41:28 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>:



I am just full of questions today aren't I?   Has anyone heard of a tea

product called "Jason Winters Tea".  I keep getting people asking about

this and I don't know what it is. they tell me that he was banned from

selling it because he made claims of curing cancer.  



Anyone know anything about this?



Thanks in advance,

Marcia Wilson

Journeywoman Herbalist







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Another question

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:06:32 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I am just full of questions today aren't I?   Has anyone heard of a tea

> product called "Jason Winters Tea".  I keep getting people asking about

> this and I don't know what it is. they tell me that he was banned from

> selling it because he made claims of curing cancer.  



Famous health food store item of a few years back. Mostly red clover, as I

recall.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Another question

From: OZARKCOOP@aol.com

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:16:09 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from OZARKCOOP@aol.com:



I used Jason Winters Tea years ago. I believe it was red clover, vitex and

something else.





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Another question

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:44:30 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



Jason Winters tea had chaparral in it.  It is still available via the

internet...but the newest version has some kind of sage instead of

chaparral, although both can still be found.  I good search engine can find

it...

I do not know all the other ingredients though...

Joanie



>I used Jason Winters Tea years ago. I believe it was red clover, vitex and

>something else.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: arthritis help

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:06:40 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> >Try Glucosomine with Chondroitin, Shark Cartilage, MSM, etc., 

> liquid formula >by Innovative Natural Products.  I have Osteo

> Arthritis and that's the only >natural remedy that I've found to

> work for me.



The use of shark cartilage is a crime against nature, the same as tiger penis

or ivory.



Ban all use of such medicinals until they can be harvested under controls.

Encouraging such use is destroying the SE aquasystem. Shame on you, and calf

cartilage will do very much the same thing.



Nine times out of ten, 'osteoarthritis' is misdiagnosed, to boot.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Building Blood and menstruation

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:46:24 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



My acupuncturist gave me instructions to "build Blood and to build Qi" in

my herbal remedies.  I am taking either Tan kwei gin or Planetary

Formula's Womens' Treasure (a dong quai/viburnum/false unicorn/rhemania,

etc. compound ), along with Fo Ti and Eleuthero.



My question is this.  If I am building Blood (Chinese medicine term),

should I stop during my menstrual period?  I'm at a stage in life where I

flood like crazy the first day or so, then drip (both before and after

the prescription).  I had been taught that dong quai should not be taken

during the menses, but only up until the week before because it would

increase flow and hence blood loss.  The instructions on the bottle and

the information I was given do not address periodicity at all.  My doctor

says I can take it either way.



The second question I have has to do with building Blood and how it

manifests itself during the menstrual cycle.  Does the dong quai

preparation actually increase blood loss, or does it move it more

readily?  Is the body making more uterine lining during the cycle and if

so is it diverted from other Blood?  Or is it addressing Blood in the

whole body, with a proportional building in the uterine lining?



Karen Vaughan

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Building Blood and menstruation

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 05:43:17 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> My acupuncturist gave me instructions to "build Blood and to build Qi" in

> my herbal remedies.  I am taking either Tan kwei gin 



A rather poor product, which uses cheap danggui. Jin, by the way, means

'juice.' If I recall correctly, this also has asses' glue in it, which is of

course an animal product, which may be a caveat for some people.



>or Planetary

> Formula's Womens' Treasure (a dong quai/viburnum/false unicorn/rhemania,

> etc. compound ), along with Fo Ti and Eleuthero.



No such thing as 'Fo ti.' A marketing term only. Correct name is heshouwu.



If indeed you need to build qi, you aren't going to do it on that program. That

is basically a boost blood only regime.

 

> My question is this.  If I am building Blood (Chinese medicine term),

> should I stop during my menstrual period?  



Generally women do not take herbs once their period starts until it ends. There

are plenty of exceptions.



>I'm at a stage in life where I

> flood like crazy the first day or so, then drip (both before and after

> the prescription).  



Flooding is a sign of digestive weakness. You need to be taking stronger

qi-producing herbs.



>I had been taught that dong quai should not be taken

> during the menses, but only up until the week before because it would

> increase flow and hence blood loss.  The instructions on the bottle and

> the information I was given do not address periodicity at all.  My doctor

> says I can take it either way.



Oh well. Not in my opinion. Your thinking is basically correct.



> The second question I have has to do with building Blood and how it

> manifests itself during the menstrual cycle.  Does the dong quai

> preparation actually increase blood loss, or does it move it more

> readily?  



Danggui will not cause disharmony in a case like yours. Where there is heat it

can increase blood loss. You are a cold person, and should take some ginseng!

Eat warm foods, especially meat soups.



>Is the body making more uterine lining during the cycle and if

> so is it diverted from other Blood?  Or is it addressing Blood in the

> whole body, with a proportional building in the uterine lining?



The latter. In Chinese healing, the menstruum is not considered blood, per se.

Even so, it is directly linked to the blood.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: moisturizing herbs

From: la luna <thessalia@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:22:08 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from la luna <thessalia@juno.com>:



hello 



i was wondering if you have any suggestions for herbs to be drunk in tea

that would help my body retain moisture.  for the last couple of winter

months, i have been constantly thirsty, my skin and eyes feel dry, and my

joints are stiff. 



my diet is mostly vegetables and whole grains or legumes.  i eat about

8oz of lowfat yoghurt a day and usually a little cheese.  sometimes i eat

seafood or a little poultry.  i have about 2 servings of fruit per day

also.  i drink distilled water *constantly* it seems.  i have stayed away

from the diuretic herbs that i know of and am not stingy on consuming

vegetable oils.  i started taking evening primrose oil and it has seemed

to help a little. 



i have always had dry sensitive, eczema-prone skin in the winter.  any

oils heavier than avocado just make my skin itch, and lanolin makes my

legs break out in tiny bumps.  i work in a heated or air conditioned

environment which i am sure does not help.  my hands broke out in a rash

that looks like tiny white cysts.  it may be fungal, however, the dryness

seemed to make it worse.



any suggestions would be appreciated. thanks :-)



luna



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Subject: Re: moisturizing herbs

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 05:43:02 -0700 (MST)

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> i was wondering if you have any suggestions for herbs to be drunk in tea

> that would help my body retain moisture.  for the last couple of winter

> months, i have been constantly thirsty, my skin and eyes feel dry, and my

> joints are stiff. 



You have yin depletion. Stop immediately all stimulants. Ensure PLENTY of rest.

Double your protein intake.



There are specific formulae for this pattern, but one of the best folk remedies

is PEAR JUICE. 



Drink many cans of Kerns over a day, and you may get some relief. DO NOT,

however, consume any fruit or pear juice with meals, within one hour of

completing your meals, and half an hour before meals.



Longterm, this has to be treated at its root, and it has to be determined just

what you did to yourself to cause such a loss (drugs, alcohol, lack of rest,

amphetamines or antihistamines....).



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: moisturizing herbs

From: la luna <thessalia@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:36:15 EST

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first LUNA:



>>  for the last couple of winter  months, i have been constantly

thirsty, my skin and eyes feel dry, and my  joints are stiff. >>



PAUL:

>>You have yin depletion. Stop immediately all stimulants. Ensure PLENTY

of rest.

Double your protein intake. There are specific formulae for this pattern,

but one of the best folk remedies is PEAR JUICE. Drink many cans of Kerns

over a day, and you may get some relief.>>





******LUNA:  funny...i have just been craving nuts like nuts lately. 

guess i need more protein.  hard for a full time student to get enough

rest unfortunately.  also a question about your suggestion of Kerns

(nci).  are you talking about kern's nectar?  isn't it loaded with sugar?

 any particular need for the sugar?  i know that sugars are

moisturizing--i use raw honey in tea.  comments?





PAUL:

>> DO NOT, however, consume any fruit or pear juice with meals, within

one hour of completing your meals, and half an hour before meals.>>





***********LUNA:  may i ask the reason for this?





PAUL:

>>Longterm, this has to be treated at its root, and it has to be

determined just

what you did to yourself to cause such a loss (drugs, alcohol, lack of

rest, amphetamines or antihistamines....).>>



***********LUNA:  there was a time when i had the most difficult

allergies and relied heavily on benedryl and coffee to function.  but

ever since infanthood i have been plagued with dry skin.   is there any

other recommendations you might offer?





luna





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Subject: Re: moisturizing herbs

From: "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:15:44 -0500

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>also.  i drink distilled water *constantly* it seems.



Ouch!. Do you take some sort of supliment to give you the minerals you

aren't getting? I know I'm getting off topic here, unless your drinking

herbal teas that are high in mineral content. This may not help your dry

slin but it will help you head off any helth problem that come from low

mineral consumtion.



 i have stayed away

>from the diuretic herbs that i know of and am not stingy on consuming

>vegetable oils.



What kind of skin creams are you using? I'm assuming none. Try rubbing some

of your veg. oils on your skin and see if that doesen't help. *Test on a

small part of skin first, but as is is already in your diet you should not

have a bad reaction. (Canola, safflower, sesame, sunflower, walnut, wheat

germ, and corn oils are absorbed by the skin. Useing any one of these will

help. Just a little dab will do, and apply several times a day, especially

after washing any part of you body.) Another suggestion is the vegitable

shortening you use for cooking. (Usually made of soybean and cotton seed

oils. A small jar in your purse is easy to carry and won't spill like oils.)



This will give you quick releaf from dry skin. There are herbs that can be

infused into these oils but thay take a month to steep. (Fill small jar with

herb(s) of choice. Pour in oil to cover. Put on lid. Let sit in dark place,

not too warm, not too cool. Shake jar every day or so to besure oil gets

into every nook and crany. After one month, strain and rebottle oil.)

Lavender is my favoret. (For scent, anti-septic, and mointurizing

properties.)



Good luck,

Shirley Deming









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Subject: Re: moisturizing herbs

From: la luna <thessalia@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:36:15 EST

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SHIRLEY:

>Ouch!. Do you take some sort of supliment to give you the minerals you

>aren't getting? I know I'm getting off topic here, unless your 

>drinking

>herbal teas that are high in mineral content. 



*******LUNA: i drink usually between 2-5 cups of herbal tea per day.  a

wide range of fresh and dried herbs depending on how i am feeling.  some

favs:  dandelion, red raspberry, licorice, yellow dock, parsley, alfalfa,

ginger, peppermint, chamomile, catnip.

>

>

>What kind of skin creams are you using? I'm assuming none.



********LUNA:  avocado oil.  anything heavier itches.  sometimes coconut

oil if my skin is feeling thick.  sometimes aloe and glycerin, but

believe it or not, these seem to dry out my skin and i use them more for

purification.  





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Subject: Re: moisturizing herbs

From: Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>

Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 20:00:24 -0700

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...deletions...



>

>********LUNA:  avocado oil.  anything heavier itches.  sometimes coconut

>oil if my skin is feeling thick.  sometimes aloe and glycerin, but

>believe it or not, these seem to dry out my skin and i use them more for

>purification.  

>

>



Important note: Glycerin (or glycerol) is an alcohol, and is drying to the

skin. Not horribly so, but over time it does have a drying action. Those

who put it in skin-care preparations should be aware of that.



Sarah

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: moisturizing herbs

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:44:55 -0900

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 was wondering if you have any suggestions for herbs to be drunk in tea

>that would help my body retain moisture.  for the last couple of winter

>months, i have been constantly thirsty, my skin and eyes feel dry, and my

>joints are stiff.



You might be needing some GLA's.  How about a dose of fish oil daily?  You

can get cod liver oil in capsules so it's not too bad to consume.  Lanolin

is frequently irritating.  Perhaps some Plantain cream and infusion.  Avoid

coffee and tea which may be drying.  Build up your liver and kidneys with

some dandelion root beverage daily.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: moisturizing herbs

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 01:31:35 -0700 (MST)

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> ******LUNA:  funny...i have just been craving nuts like nuts lately. 

> guess i need more protein.  hard for a full time student to get enough

> rest unfortunately.  also a question about your suggestion of Kerns

> (nci).  are you talking about kern's nectar?  isn't it loaded with sugar?

>  any particular need for the sugar?  i know that sugars are

> moisturizing--i use raw honey in tea.  comments?



Kern's pear juice is just pear juice. Yes, fruit juices have lots of sugar in

them. Sugar is not a negative automatically, although it became cultic a few

years back to demonize it. The main problem is sugar taken with or around

meals. Very bad for your digestion, as anyone can prove.



> ***********LUNA:  there was a time when i had the most difficult

> allergies and relied heavily on benedryl and coffee to function. 



BINGO!



> but

> ever since infanthood i have been plagued with dry skin.   is there any

> other recommendations you might offer?



Plenty of them. But that's what consultations are for. I really can't do

justice to a health complaint or its treatment slapdash on the fly. The main

thing, though, is that you aren't a person who can afford to drink any more

coffee, colas, or allergy pills.



Paul







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: moisturizing herbs

From: "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:26:58 -0700 (MST)

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> ***********LUNA:  there was a time when i had the most difficult

> allergies and relied heavily on benedryl and coffee to function.  but

> ever since infanthood i have been plagued with dry skin.   is there any

> other recommendations you might offer?



Ectopic skin disorders that have origins from infancy to very young years

often respond well to EFA supplements - especially true if your ancestry is of

one that relied heavily on fish/seafood as a main food source - such as

Scandinavian, Welsh, Japanese.   Lake of EFA's often accompany by cravings for

foods/sweets with a high glycemic index which temporarily satisfy the

bodies depleted resources, but ultimately add to the problem.  



I've seen great successes for acute relief with therapeutic doses of cod

liver oil, raw organic liver, flaxseed, evening primrose seeds (grind them

in a mortar and pestle and sprinkle on food just before eating) or borage

seeds.  Your craving of nuts give some indication that your body is trying

to find a way to fill this need.    



Long term therapy is often as simple as adding rich food sources of EFA's

into the diet.  I'd also consider adding green oatstraw into the diet to

help replenish the nervous system and allow stress to be handled better.



Coffee and Benadryl can cause depletion of adrenals - licorice may be quite

useful here.   



I also find that allergies go hand in hand with the dry skin flare-ups, and

of course, extra stress will exacerbate both, one can be an marker the

other is about to flare up and can be used as an indicator to re-assess

diet and life-style.  



Also, extreme thirst and tiredness are indicators of potential diabetes. 

Get your blood sugar levels checked.

JoyceW



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: yerba mate

From: danlowe@ciudad.com.ar

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 01:57:45 -0200

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From:           	hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

To:             	herb@MyList.net

Subject:        	Re: yerba mate

Date sent:      	Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:20:48 GMT

Organization:   	Yrtit ja yrttiterapiaa

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> To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):

> 

> >To herb@MyList.net from "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>:

> >

> >In summary, it SOOUNDS like a miracle herb - a long list of both mental

> >and physical benefits which - to my mind - put it into the "probably too

> 

> It contains caffeine, so use it instead of coffee or regular tea.

> The traditional way is to leave the leaves in your cup and sip the liquid

> through a silver straw (bomba?). The taste gets more interesting, and you get

> far more caffeine too that way.

> 

> Henriette

> 

Hello to everyone on the list!



It is a long time since I am not here, and I am glad to see that as 

usual very interesting topics are discussed. :-))

Also I am glad to see that some people are still here and giving 

their useful advices.



Concerning yerba mate, and since I drink it as I live in one of the 

countries that consumes more yerba mate (Argentina), I would like 

to tell you some stories about it...



Yerba mate, Ylex Paraguayensis, is a plant that grows in the most 

tropical zones of our country, Paraguay, Uruguay and Brazil.

It has been known for many years, and here as well as in the other 

countries it is a hot drink that is mostly shared with friends, family 

etc.

It has been used by our "gauchos" (somewhat similar to your 

cowboys) whenever they have a time to rest near a fire in the fields, 

or after having lunch or dinner, (asados,or barbacues)

It is even sipped as breakfast.



Actually there are two ways of drinking mate, one is hot (I mean 

using hot water, not boiled, just very hot, and this is a tip to get a 

well prepared mate), using a small "mate" wich is a squash skin 

dried in the sun, then cured, and yerba mate wich is the sold 

product of the Ylex. The other way is very cold, using instead of hot 

water, a jar of very cold water with ice cubes, using instead of the 

"mate"an ordinary glass,and of course the yerba mate.

Both kind of drinks, are sipped with a metal straw, called 

"bombilla" (pronounced bombiia) (Henriette, a bomba is a bomb :-) )

and you can drink it either sweetened or bitter. If you sweeten the 

mate, you can use sugar, stevia or honey,or whatever you like for 

this  purpose, but generally people in the Pampas (our grassy 

fields) drink it bitter, and hot.



Concerning the nutritional compounds, I have a list of some of the 

ingredients that come within 100 gramms of Yerba Mate.:



(please excuse my spanglish)



Glucose		0,59 gr

Sacarose		2,77 gr

Proteins		2,14 gr

Cafeine			0,85 gr

Vitamin C     	5,11 mg		

Vitamin B1		1,48 mg

Niacinamide	1,27 mg

Vit. B6			0,94 mg

Calcium		80,9 mg

Phosphorum	45,9 mg

Ferrum			2,2   mg

Magnesium	58,6 mg

Sodium		14,1 mg

Potasium		100,6 mg



In our packets of Yerba Mate, you can also find a small 

advertisment of the Argentine Cardiological Foundation, which 

recomends this product for one's health.



Well, I hope you can find this information useful,  I know that there 

are many more research investigations done around the Yerba 

mate, but I thought that these facts were interesting to share with 

all of you.



Again,  I am glad to be here, and learning more and more within 

each new topic.



My best wishes to all of you.



Danielita.



danlowe@ciudad.com.ar

Buenos Aires

Argentina.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Ear Rocks

From: dpotocki <dpotocki@erols.com>

Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 23:01:07 -0500

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Does anyone know any herbal remedies or aids for positional vertigo

(otoconia), commonly known as ear rocks? Apparently the condition is due

to the formation of calcium  crystals in the inner ear. These deposits

roll into balance-canal openings and can lodge there causing terrible

sieges of vertigo. The person suffering from this condition has high

blood pressure, tends to experience adverse reactions to several

medicines, and has very little ear wax because of ear infections as a  

teen. She has undergone two professionally-administered Epley treatments

(now is actually worse).Currently she has begun Brandt Daroff maneuvers.

I am wondering if there is any herbal treatment which might help the

body re-absorb (or otherwise rid itself of) the calcium deposits or

perhaps just improve the health of the inner ear. 



Any information at all would be appreciated. TIA



Donna





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Ear Rocks

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 05:43:48 -0700 (MST)

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> Does anyone know any herbal remedies or aids for positional vertigo

> (otoconia), commonly known as ear rocks? 



Defined many centuries ago as 'Wind due to Heat." 



>Apparently the condition is due

> to the formation of calcium  crystals in the inner ear. 



Like crystals form in molten rock.



>These deposits

> roll into balance-canal openings and can lodge there causing terrible

> sieges of vertigo. The person suffering from this condition has high

> blood pressure, 



Due to heat.



>tends to experience adverse reactions to several

> medicines, and has very little ear wax because of ear infections as a  

> teen. 



Little ear wax=depleted yin and specifically jinye, the fluids; Cause of

heat=repeated treatment with antihistamines?



Accumulations can be reduced by consuming seaweed, and additionally, treating

the underlying condition!!!!!!!!!!!  The heat that is there is detrimental to

health in more ways than just this.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Ear Rocks

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 01:30:55 -0700 (MST)

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herb@MyList.net,Internet writes:

>How do you get rid of the heat?



Well, that, of course, is the other side of the story. But for that, you

basically need a diagnosis, which is not what I offered. How could I? I don't

know how the person developed the heat to begin with, how they are living now,

and several other things. Consultation is needed, for which they can contact me

for an email consult, or someone local to them.



Maybe some peppermint tea will offer some initial relief. One thing else I can

say is that the heat is not 'from' the ears, but most likely from the kidneys

and/or liver.



Paul







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Subject: Re: Re(2): Your thoughts needed: how could I refuse?

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:31:19 -0500

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<<	Back in the '60's they used to hook up plants to lie detectors,

and do

all manner of experiments on them.  In one experiment they had a person,

covered from head to toe,  sneak into the greenhouse in the dark of night

and uproot some seedlings next to the experimental plant.  The next day,

when the same person came into the room, the lie detector hooked up to

the

plant showed high stress levels.  They came to the conclusion that the

plant 'knew' the individual that harbored evil intentions toward plants. 

Maybe the plants aren't distantly disinterested in the hubub after all! 

Maybe they are watching us in quiet desperation, knowing they will be

crushed for our use!  Where's that pestle?

>>



Cleve Backster has been doing those experiments for 25 years now and

keeps a laboratory where plants are permanently hooked up to lie

detectors with tape records and where he clicks a timer whenever there is

an incident or he has a strong thought.  The tapes are then compared with

the timer record.  He has also found that plants form a relationship with

a person very readily and then are attuned to that person, even when the

person is not present.  Plant attunement is thereafter nonlocal, which is

interesting given the rootedness of plants.  And plants are able to

distinguish between a true intent to, say, burn a leaf and the thoughts

of a researcher saying "Maybe I should think of burning a leaf to see

whether the plant will respond."   There was a long interview with

Backster in the Sun literary magazine last year.  Very interesting stuff.



But plants may find their highest purpose in healing you through that

mortar and pestel or that tincture bottle.  Ask them first, and thank

them.  You don't need a central nervous system to be sentenient.



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Re: Re(2): Your thoughts needed: how could I refuse?

From: Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:11:31 -0700 (MST)

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...deletions...



>	Back in the '60's they used to hook up plants to lie detectors, and do

>all manner of experiments on them.  In one experiment they had a person,

>covered from head to toe,  sneak into the greenhouse in the dark of night

>and uproot some seedlings next to the experimental plant.  The next day,

>when the same person came into the room, the lie detector hooked up to the

>plant showed high stress levels.  They came to the conclusion that the

>plant 'knew' the individual that harbored evil intentions toward plants. 

>Maybe the plants aren't distantly disinterested in the hubub after all! 

>Maybe they are watching us in quiet desperation, knowing they will be

>crushed for our use!  Where's that pestle?



I've ALWAYS been taught that the best way to harvest any plant or plant

part is to first ask permission, take only what you need, and thank the plant.



Perhaps that ritual *IS* important to the plant as well as the person?



Very similar to indiginous people thanking an animal after a successful hunt.



Sarah

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Subject: Re: Re(2): Your thoughts needed: how could I refuse?

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:56:13 -0900

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 take only what you need, and thank the plant.

>

>Perhaps that ritual *IS* important to the plant as well as the person?

>

>Very similar to indiginous people thanking an animal after a successful

hunt.





The world would be a better place is we were more thankful about everything.

But along the lines of ritual.  (a little off thread here).  I once talked

to an old native woman about using herbal remedies.  She told me several

stories of her grandmother who was an accomplished native healer.  The

rituals were very important, not only for the spiritual/psychological aspect

but also in determining the power and dosage of the plants used.  Many of

the herbs used are considered poisonous.  However, the rituals followed

ensured that the plant collected was of a proper potency and that it was

administered correctly over time and in proper doses.  Ritual also brought

the patient to the proper frame of mind for healing.  Bedside manner is of

ultimate importance.  Frame of mind might make the difference in the

treatment being successful or a failure.  Always remember to thank your

healers too.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Simple remedies/nettle

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:12:27 -0700 (MST)

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Henriette,



Would one tablespoon powdered dried nettle leaf per day or per serving be 

suitable for cooking with grains such as brown rice or oats?  I suppose

cut/sifted dried nettle leaf would also be suitable, but not nettle herb with

the stringy stem parts.  Dried cut/sifted nettle herb should be OK for infusion

(decoction?).  Nettle in infusion seemed to have throat-tickling tendency with

me; I could take it better mixed with other herbs than straight but could never

discern an anti-allergy effect. 



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Simple remedies/nettle

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:41:41 GMT

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On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:12:27 -0700 (MST), tmueller@bluegrass.net wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>Would one tablespoon powdered dried nettle leaf per day or per serving be 

>suitable for cooking with grains such as brown rice or oats?  



Yes. Or add it, already rehydrated, to potato mush.



>I suppose

>cut/sifted dried nettle leaf would also be suitable, but not nettle herb with

>the stringy stem parts.  



Correct.



>Dried cut/sifted nettle herb should be OK for infusion (decoction?).  



Infusion. 



>Nettle in infusion seemed to have throat-tickling tendency with me; I could 

>take it better mixed with other herbs than straight but could never

>discern an anti-allergy effect. 



Perhaps it's not for you then. What kind of allergy are you trying to work on?



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Simple remedies/nettle

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:06:54 -0500

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Henriette,



I can't say nettle ever harmed me, but I never noticed any clear benefit.



I have allergic rhinitis with asthma thrown in for good measure.  House dust is

the most obvious culprit for allergic rhinitis.  If I put my nose to the floor,

as might happen if I have to look for something under the bed, I notice a nose

tickle followed by running.  But I haven't noticed any trouble with pollen or

mold spores.  Worst asthma triggers are food allergies, then the reaction is

slow in developing, like four hours or more, and slow in intensifying.  Worst

plant offenders are potato, eggplant, peppers (Capsicum) and tomatoes in that

descending order of severity.  I have to stay away from tobacco smoke.  Now I

seem to be having trouble with fish and seafood, but vegetarian seafood (i.e.

seaweed) is OK.  Household ammonia for cleaning is too irritating for me,

probably not good for anybody.



Green tea is the best allergy fighter I have found so far, more for asthma than

allergic rhinitis.  I remember the posts on Ledum palustre, which I am not able

to find commercially except in homeopathic form.  One person who was allergic to

cats could prevent the allergic reaction with Ledum palustre (Labrador tea,

marsh tea, wild rosemary).  I must bear in mind that my mileage might vary.  I

have never been allergic to cats, though my exposure in recent years has been

infrequent.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Cracking fingernails

From: Donna Ferrara <Ferrara@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU>

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:42:56 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Donna Ferrara <Ferrara@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU>:



My 84 year old Dad is having trouble with the fingernails on one hand

drying and cracking under the skin.  This has become very painful for

him.  I suggested vitamin E or vit E creme rubbed on the nails.  Any

other ideas?  Weird that only one hand has been affected.  He had a

stroke several years ago and lost the use of his right hand.  This one

has not been affected.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Donna







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Cracking fingernails

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:39:27 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> My 84 year old Dad is having trouble with the fingernails on one hand

> drying and cracking under the skin.  This has become very painful for

> him.  I suggested vitamin E or vit E creme rubbed on the nails.  Any

> other ideas?



PROTEIN. Many older people eat far too less protein. Protein starvation is very

widespread.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Re: Cracking fingernails

From: KR1989@aol.com

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:44:42 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from KR1989@aol.com:



In a message dated 2/3/99, 9:43:03 AM, herb@MyList.net writes:

<< My 84 year old Dad is having trouble with the fingernails on one hand

> drying and cracking under the skin.  This has become very painful for

> him.  I suggested vitamin E or vit E creme rubbed on the nails.  Any

> other ideas?

>>

Could this be caused by a fungus?  try tea tree oil on it if it could be.



Kathy





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: honeysuckle

From: Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 07:02:49 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:



Are all varieties of wild honeysuckle edible?

are there any poisonous varieties of honeysuckle?



Thanks

Lucinda





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Diabetes foot salve (now blood dryness)

From: October Moon <oct-moon@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:56:15 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from October Moon <oct-moon@juno.com>:



I must ask, what causes blood dryness, and what can change it?  Or is

that too vague...



On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:26:29 -0700 (MST) p_iannone@lamg.com writes:

----it might not be so good, for instance, for a woman who 

>already

>has blood dryness problems (dry scalp, brittle hair, lack of 

>concentration,

>emotional emptiness, insomnia, etc.).

>

>Paul

>

>



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Subject: Re: Diabetes Foot Salve

From: "Claudia M. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionistclm@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:12:57 PST

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To herb@MyList.net from "Claudia M. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionistclm@hotmail.com>:



Karen,



When you get just the right formula for this foot

salve figured out, please let me know, I'd like to

try it for my husband.  He was diagnosed with Diabetes

a year ago September, foot problem was what finally

got him to go to the Doctor.  He has controlled it

remarkably well with diet - only eats low-carb vegies,

some meat, and some dairy and now adds a bit of carbo

like rice, etc.  Over the holidays he "cheated" a lot

and the feet started to suffer again.  Now he is back

on track, and they are improving.  He also uses some

herbal, vitamin & mineral supplements to support the

many body systems that are challenged by diabetes. 



Exercise should be mentioned as key here as well, it

is good for all of us :-) but there is a special

benefit for diabetics to rev the metabolism up -

helps with insulin resistance - a good, brisk walk

for 40 minutes every other day is great - affect 

carries over to the next day. 



Claudia Meydrech, LCN

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Diabetes Foot Salve

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:33:37 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Claudia-



I'm getting a variety of responses from other lists, but one thing he

could do right off for diabetic foot conditions is to soak his feet in

warm water (you test it if he has impaired pain resistance) in which two

tablespoons of ground turmeric have been dissolved.  His feet will turn

yellow and so may his urine since some is absorbed internally. The

turmeric is high in flavanoids, antioxidants and specific factors that

help diabetes.  It is used for diabetic foot problems in Hawaiian

traditional medicine.  



Turmeric is also given orally for diabetes in auyrveda, even in a paste

with honey (!) (But of course the diet would have to accomodate it.) 



Karen Vaughan

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On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:12:57 PST "Claudia M. Meydrech, LCN"

<nutritionistclm@hotmail.com> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Claudia M. Meydrech, LCN" 

><nutritionistclm@hotmail.com>:

>

>Karen,

>

>When you get just the right formula for this foot

>salve figured out, please let me know, I'd like to

>try it for my husband.  He was diagnosed with Diabetes

>a year ago September, foot problem was what finally

>got him to go to the Doctor.  He has controlled it

>remarkably well with diet - only eats low-carb vegies,

>some meat, and some dairy and now adds a bit of carbo

>like rice, etc.  Over the holidays he "cheated" a lot

>and the feet started to suffer again.  Now he is back

>on track, and they are improving.  He also uses some

>herbal, vitamin & mineral supplements to support the

>many body systems that are challenged by diabetes. 

>

>Exercise should be mentioned as key here as well, it

>is good for all of us :-) but there is a special

>benefit for diabetics to rev the metabolism up -

>helps with insulin resistance - a good, brisk walk

>for 40 minutes every other day is great - affect 

>carries over to the next day. 

>

>Claudia Meydrech, LCN

>"A cheerful heart is good medicine.." Prov. 17:22a 

>

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Chinese Herbs

From: Marcia Elston <samara@wingedseed.com>

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:02:53 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Marcia Elston <samara@wingedseed.com>:



Hi All,



This is probably a question for Paul.  Regarding the Chinese herb, Xiao Hui

Xiang is Fennel fruit, or in the latin, Foeniculum vulgare fructus.  Just

where is the fruit produced on the fennel plant?  I am, of course, familiar

with the seed, which in many other plants does turn to fruit, but not in

fennel.  Are they referring to the seed when they say it is from the fruit?

 Or perhaps that fleshy part of the plant that grows just aboveground?  Any

help you can provide is appreciated.



Be well,  

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Chinese Herbs

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 17:58:31 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:02:53 -0800, Marcia Elston <samara@wingedseed.com> wrote

to herb@MyList.net:



>This is probably a question for Paul.  Regarding the Chinese herb, Xiao Hui

>Xiang is Fennel fruit, or in the latin, Foeniculum vulgare fructus.  Just

>where is the fruit produced on the fennel plant?  I am, of course, familiar



Fruit -is- seed, in the Umbelliferae.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Drying skin

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:27:35 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



To add to the discussion on dry skin, as several have said it is important to

find the *cause* of this condition, not just treat the symptom.  In that

regard with the amount of information given this could potentially be a

complex case.  I would strongly suggest you see a natural health practitioner

for a proper case-taking procedure.  This condition can also be caused by a

deficiency in sulphur, silicon and/or hydrogen, all of which can lead to

another form of treatment balanced along with herbal medicine.  You might also

need to hydrate from within by drinking more water (mineral not distilled),

and to look at the kind of heat source you are using because dry heat can be

terrible on the skin.  Just another side to add to the matrix.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Chinese Herbs or fennel question

From: WhisperMtH@aol.com

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:59:44 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from WhisperMtH@aol.com:



Two types of fennel - the seed type and the separate vegetable type that makes

the bulb for harvesting





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Chinese Herbs or fennel question

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 21:54:42 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:59:44 EST, WhisperMtH@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>Two types of fennel - the seed type and the separate vegetable type that makes

>the bulb for harvesting



The bulb is part of the root. The seed is part of the fruit. Elementary botany,

dear Dr. Watson.



Henriette



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To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Chinese Herbs or fennel question

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 19:05:18 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



>>Two types of fennel - the seed type and the separate vegetable type that

makes

>>the bulb for harvesting



>The bulb is part of the root. The seed is part of the fruit. Elementary

botany,

>dear Dr. Watson.





Hmmm...beg to differ slightly here.  What is being called the "bulb" of

fennel is not part of the root, but overlapping clusters of  basal ("at the

base") leaf stems or stalks.  The root of fennel, as well as other

umbelliferous  plants (carrots, celery, parsley among many) is a tap root,

below this base.  Even true bulbs that we commonly think of as roots, such

as garlic and onions, are really compact clusters of food storage LEAVES,

with the stem within.....the roots grow out of the base of these clusters

during growing season.



That being said...fennel plants with even the largest, thickest juiciest

basal stalk or stem clusters can be grown until it sets seed (to grow more

of these plants, of course)..  The plants that are grown for seed for the

spice trade have the same thickened (but much scrawnier) base...are more

easily grown under different conditions (sunnier, drier, hotter) than the

"vegetable" fennel we see in the groceries.



  And each has been cultivated and developed since ancient times to  make

either bigger and tastier enlarged bases or more and bigger (and maybe more

potent)

seeds.  But they are both basically the same plant...the same species

(Foeniculum vulgare)....but man has developed several varieties of this

species.  



F. vulgare is also called F. officinalis...it is the same species, though.



Joanie













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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:fennel question

From: Augcsm1@aol.com

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 19:08:16 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Augcsm1@aol.com:



I have heard that fennel is very good at reducing intestinal gas. Is that

true?





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Re:fennel question

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:21:37 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>I have heard that fennel is very good at reducing intestinal gas. Is that

>true?

>



YUP.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: fennel question

From: MARJMAY@aol.com

Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 08:49:12 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from MARJMAY@aol.com:



  Yes Fennel is very good for relieving gastric problems.

                   Gail





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:fennel question

From: Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>

Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 20:20:13 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>:



At 07:08 PM 2/4/99 EST, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Augcsm1@aol.com:

>

>I have heard that fennel is very good at reducing intestinal gas. Is that

>true?

>



Many, many seeds are. You can chew them after a meal, or drink a tea.



I personally don't like the taste of fennel, so I usually chew anise seeds

for the same effect. Or cardamom. Or coriander. Or even cumin. Peppermint

tea helps in this respect, as well.



Sarah

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Barley Green 

From: Heather@altnews.com.au

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:28:08 +1000

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To herb@MyList.net from Heather@altnews.com.au:



Hi Herb List,



I have just been introduced to AIM's BarleyGreen with Brown Rice 

and Kelp.

I wish to use BarleyGreen instead of taking the multitude of 

suppliments that I now consume. Will I get adequate nutrients from 

just taking BarleyGreen? Does anyone have positive results from 

just using Barley Green as a suppliment? I will also continue taking 

essential oils (EPA, Lectin, EPrim, VitE), plus vit.C.



Looking forward to feedback.



Heather













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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Fruit? was Re: Chinese Herbs

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:09:00 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Are they referring to the seed when they say it is from the fruit?



A 'fruit' is the reproductive portion of the plant. In the case of

Umbelliferae, the fruit is usually a slightly juicy seed. 

'Fruit,' botanically, doesn't refer to an 'orange' or an 'apple.'



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Corns on foot

From: paf@connix.com

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:23:51 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:



Wd appreciate learning of any good solutions to treating corns on the

bottom of one's foot.

Best, Anita





--



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Corns on foot

From: Csono@aol.com

Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 10:04:49 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Csono@aol.com:



In a message dated 2/4/99 11:30:01 PM Central Standard Time, paf@connix.com

writes:



<< Wd appreciate learning of any good solutions to treating corns on the

 bottom of one's foot.

 Best, Anita >>



I put a slice of garlic on my corn every night when I went to bed for a week

and the corn just flaked away. You could also use garlic oil. I used a regular

band-aid to keep the garlic in place. 

Robyn

Csono@aol.com





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Thoughts needed/tofu indigestibility

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:07:06 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



Rosie,



If you have trouble digesting tofu or soy milk, possibly fresh raw pineapple

might help, or maybe dried papaya leaf or fresh or dried papaya fruit.

Pineapple is probably the strongest of these as a digestive aid.  Pineapple

contains bromelain, a digestive enzyme, has helped me digest things that would

otherwise give me trouble.  My experience is that soybeans are the easiest to 

digest of all beans, but I directly cook the dry soybeans with brown rice and/or

other cereal grains.  I have also used ground soybeans, mixed with wheat, in

bread.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Thoughts needed/tofu indigestibility

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 08:23:25 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> bromelain, a digestive enzyme, has helped me digest things that would

> otherwise give me trouble.  My experience is that soybeans are the

> easiest to  digest of all beans



The offending chemicals aren't proteins, and bromelain is a proteinase enzyme,

so bromelain won't help with this kind of digestive upset. 



Paul





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to: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Thoughts needed/tofu indigestibility

From: "T. Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 04:58:29 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "T. Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>:



Paul Iannone seems to think pineapple has no effect on digestion of beans, or is

that only tofu and soy milk?  Anyway, I have found that fresh raw pineapple

helps me digest beans, but beans don't usually trouble me anyway, and almost

never when eaten at breakfast.  However, citrus fruit eaten with beans, except

for soybeans, carries the risk of digestive trouble.  Fresh raw pineapple also

greatly increases the amount of peanuts I can digest at one meal.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Thoughts needed/tofu indigestibility

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 11:00:57 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Paul Iannone seems to think pineapple has no effect on digestion of

> beans, or is that only tofu and soy milk?  



All beans, if the problem is a biochemical lack of the enzyme that breaks down

the bean CARBOS.



>Anyway, I have found that

> fresh raw pineapple helps me digest beans, but beans don't usually

> trouble me anyway, and almost never when eaten at breakfast.



They don't trouble you anyhow? Well, Thomas, then why do you say anything here?

You're not the case in point.



Paul





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To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Mullein for asthma

From: Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>

Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:47:28 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>:





I have been talking with Thomas Mueller privately about asthma. Now that

the conversation is drifting back to herbal subjects, he asked if I'd

take it back on the list. The subject once again is mullein (Verbascum

thapsus) and its use on treating asthma (or bronchial symptoms of

asthma, if you like).

   I have asthma. Every morning I drink two mugs (about 4,5 dl or half a

quart) of herbal infusion. The mixture is mostly mullein leaf, then some

peppermint (Mentha x piperita) and some thyme (Thymus vulgare). Nowadays

I also add some caraway (Carum carvi) seeds to aid in digestion. The tea

works.



tmueller@bluegrass.net wrote:

> 

> Maybe you could tell me and the list how much mullein leaf you use per 

> volume of water.  



I am not a very scientific-or-accurately-measuring-type-of-person and I

don't have a need to be. I go by intuition. I take two large fistfuls or

cut and sifted mullein leaf and stuff it in a thermos bottle. Mullein

leaf is a bit hard to measure by quantity because it's so fluffy. So I

squeeze it in my fist and feel the amount by hand.

   Then I add a pinch of peppermint, "a pinch" being maybe one teaspoon.

Then about 1 tsp of thyme and 1 tsp of caraway. Then I pour two mugs

boiling water on the herbs, close the thermos tightly and go on with my

morning practises, take a shower and after one hour I drink the infusion

with a little honey.



> I believe you can use mullein flowers too.



I have seen mullein flowers used for oil-infusions. The flowers do have

medicinal properties: the oil works great for ear-aches. I have yet

heard no explanation why the leaves are not used for that. Maybe they

are milder or maybe they are just different. Does anyone know?



--

Miikkali Leppihalme - mii@media.edu.hel.fi





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Mullein for asthma

From: "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:57:43 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>:



> I have seen mullein flowers used for oil-infusions. The flowers do have

> medicinal properties: the oil works great for ear-aches. I have yet

> heard no explanation why the leaves are not used for that. Maybe they

> are milder or maybe they are just different. Does anyone know?

> --

> Miikkali Leppihalme - mii@media.edu.hel.fi





I do a bit of work with Mom's showing them how to make their own mullein

ear oil.  Sometimes, someone is in a hurry and will quickly pick leaves, or

the whole flower head and use to make the oil.  It also works, but does not

seem to be as pain-relieving as when just the mullein flowers are used.



I can arrest spastic coughing instantly, if the person coughing can manage

to breathe in mullein smoke.  Have used this successfully many times for

whooping cough, bronchitis, and mild asthma attacks.  

When I have a person smoke mullein flowers, the effect is more calming and

sedating.  Many times the person will drift off to sleep in about a half

hour or so.

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Mullein for asthma

From: "T. Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 04:57:53 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "T. Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>:



Since mullein is fluffy and light, it is easy to get an underdose.  Maybe that's

why it had little or no effect on me.  John Lust, in The Herb Book, says

"Infusion: Steep 1 tsp. leaves or flowers in 1 cup water.  Take 1 to 2 cups a

day."  I say 1 tsp mullein is practically nothing.  For digestion, I find papaya

leaf much better than caraway, cumin, anise or fennel seeds.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: cataracts

From: Valexplore@aol.com

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:10:27 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Valexplore@aol.com:



All,



On another list regarding holistic treatments for animals, eucalpytus honey

has been touted as a cure for cataracts.  Has anyone heard about using it in

humans?



Regards,

Valerie Traina

valexplore@aol.com





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: cataracts

From: Samuel Sussman <ssussman@julian.uwo.ca>

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 00:05:07 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Samuel Sussman <ssussman@julian.uwo.ca>:



Please help. im 58 and now wear two hearing aids and the ophthamologist says

I have the beginnings of cataracts. 

I might as well just shoot myself. Any advice.



Dr. Sam Sussman- London Canada



>To herb@MyList.net from Valexplore@aol.com:

>On another list regarding holistic treatments for animals, eucalpytus honey

>has been touted as a cure for cataracts.  Has anyone heard about using it in

>humans?







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: cataracts

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:45:42 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 2/15/99 2:08:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ssussman@julian.uwo.ca writes:



<< Please help. im 58 and now wear two hearing aids and the ophthamologist

says

 I have the beginnings of cataracts. 

 I might as well just shoot myself. Any advice.

  >>



Hi Sam -



We are currently treating cataracts in a client with chaparral.  The herb is

still controversial over here, but we've had amazing results.  Also I have

heard that Sea Herb is good also.  But, you need to do this under the guidance

of a professional, so be sure to go to an herbalist or naturopath who knows

how to safely deliver the doses to you.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:cataracts

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:29:15 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



to Mary Conley:



What is this "Sea Herb"?  There are many different edible seaweeds/sea

vegetables.

Does the "need to do this under the guidance of a professional refer to "Sea

Herb" or to chaparral?  How safe is chaparral?



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Essential Tremors

From: Danaroma@aol.com

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:19:46 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Danaroma@aol.com:



A young friend (male - age 30) has been diagnosed with Essential Tremors which

appears to be a genetic problem in his family.  History tells him that his

great-grandfather, his grandmother, his uncle, and his mother all have been

afflicted.  



The family history is of shaking in the hands only but this young man tells of

shaking all the way up into his shoulders.  The family elders seem to be

smitten in their 30s but the condition has seemed not to worsen as they aged.

His case seems to be accelerating.  



He has been tested for Parkinson's -- negative.  I would appreciate any/all

input on this subject.



Thanks,

Dan







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Essential Tremors

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 19:25:06 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> A young friend (male - age 30) has been diagnosed with Essential

> Tremors which appears to be a genetic problem in his family. 

> History tells him that his great-grandfather, his grandmother, his

> uncle, and his mother all have been afflicted.  



Constitutional homeopathy is the proper course for such an inherited illness.

Herbal therapy would only be a patch.



Contact me privately, maybe we can hook hiim up with a good doctor.



Paul





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Re:Thoughts needed/tofu indigestibility/Pineapple

From: "natural" <natural@wt.net>

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:25:35 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "natural" <natural@wt.net>:



Hi Joanie:



I'll also start looking for carefully at pineapples and perhaps ask produce

manager of they have any knowledge of irradiation or not.



Concerning your question about my bromelain source, will e-mail you

privately.  Don't know if our list Mom would object to posting a

manufacturer on her list.  Henrietta, are we allowed to do this?



Rosie







>To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:

>

>Have no answers...but if pineapples are irradiated, would this not change

>the way they ripen, and then rot once they are have been delivered to

>stores?  I have not seen any that have stayed "fresh forever", but, in

>general, they do not seem to really ripen up and get bright orange and

>ferment anymore, though I have found some that did.

>Instead pineapples from the grocery store seem to succumb to a green mold.

>But I am not sure that this was not always the case with pineapples that

>were picked too green.

>I will pay more attention to this now.

>

>And...what effective brand, Rosie, is it that you have no commercial

>interest in?

>









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: incision pain

From: Judy and Bob McCabe <mccabe2@execpc.com>

Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 08:13:13 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Judy and Bob McCabe <mccabe2@execpc.com>:



Good Morning,



My mother had a masectomy two weeks ago and is experiencing some pain

around the incision area. The pills that the Dr. gave her do not help.

Could someone recommend anything that will help speed the healing process.

I'll be seeing her tomorrow. Thank you all and I am thankfull for lists

like this.



Judy







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: incision pain

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 11:48:59 -0600 (CST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:



Hi Judy,



On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, Judy and Bob McCabe wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from Judy and Bob McCabe <mccabe2@execpc.com>:

>

> My mother had a masectomy two weeks ago and is experiencing some pain

> around the incision area. The pills that the Dr. gave her do not help.

> Could someone recommend anything that will help speed the healing

> process.





I have lots of surgery and have lots of practise with overcoming the

resulting pain.  But my surgeries were not the same as your mothers.  I

was cut twice, in the same 10" location across my pelvic area

(laparotomies) in order to remove ovarian & uterine cancers.  The

laparotomies were performed within 3 weeks of each other.  That was so 

painful the surgeon told me I would need a spinal pain blocker to recover

from the second surgery.   Also I have had multiple laparoscopies (going

in through the belly button) and surgery to remove polyps from my nasal

cavities (all within the last five years!).



Some of the things that helped me speed up the healing process &

reduce pain are listed below.



I found mild yoga stretches that stimulated the nerves to regrow 

especially helpful for speeding up healing process.  But the

movements were very gentle at first and can cause an increase in the

awareness of pain, at first. Using yoga stretches I found that once the

pain reached a climax, the pain around an incision usually subsided and

went away for at least several hours. If your mother is in a lot of pain

it may be too soon for her to start exercising. Her doctor(s) will

probably have advise on the appropriate time for her to resume physical

activities. 



I have noted that nerve pain remains for years after surgeries.  Sometimes

I still get painful twinges in the locations where surgeons cut me.  I do

not consider the pain to be all bad. I believe the pain sometimes

indicates the nerves are regrowing & healing.  The pain tells me the

nerves are coming alive in that area of my body again.  So I may try to

just go *through* the pain (without pain killers) & bless it & focus

positive healing thoughts into the paticular region of my body that is

giving me trouble.  Obviously, this is a long term approach that may not

be so useful immediately after surgery.  But focusing your mind on healing

mediations and the images of the body regrowing into a healthy  state

again has been very useful to me throughout all stages of recovery &

healing.  I have read in various places how inducing a deep, calm, state

in the mind & body, is one of the most powerful healing techniques

available for almost any kind of problem.  In one book, D. Chopra talks

about this calming technique as the one common variable he has observed   

in cases of spontaneous remission from cancer, when the patient does not

make use of western medicine.



Drinking lots of water & applying vitamin E oil to the incision also

helped me quite a bit.  The vitamin E is really good for reducing scaring

too.  Vitamin E can be taken internally to speed up healing as

well.  



Vitamin B complex is really good for nerve health. Some studies have

recommended some of the B vitamins for pain control too, but I think this

is still controvertial.



Recently there has been some discussion on the herbal list about using a

drink made from tumeric root paste, warm milk and honey to reduce various

types of pain.  The pain reducing and anti-inflammatory properties of

tumeric root were compared to that of prednisone.  I am not sure if

tumeric root applies to your mother's situation for pain control but I

know tumeric is recommended for cleansing the liver which is helpful after

surgery to remove the ill effects from all the drugs, anesthesia, and

pain medications.  The warm Tumeric drink is really tastey too.  (Thanks,

Paul, for the recipe!)





Besides Tumeric, my herbal books recommend hot peppers, Chamomile, Dong

quai (Angelica, which BTW also has anti-cancer properties, it stimulates

the growth of B & T Lymphocytes, & interferon production, references

available), Passion flower, Lapacho, & Valerian, for treatment of pain.  I

beleive these herbs can all be taken internally.  Again, I do not really

know if these herbs are recommended for your mother's situation.  Maybe

some of the experts on this list will have further comments about using

these herbs for post mastectomy treatments.



I think your mom should check with her doctor(s) before starting any

herbal therapies to verify there are no toxic results from mixing the

herbs with any medicines her doctors are prescribing. 







Good luck to your mom!



Barbara







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: incision pain

From: Judy and Bob McCabe <mccabe2@execpc.com>

Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 21:43:55 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Judy and Bob McCabe <mccabe2@execpc.com>:



Barbara, Kai and Paul,

Thanks for responding about my moms masectomy pain.

 I went to see her this weekend with a SUITCASE full of herbs and teas. She

has always had insomnia and since her operation she feels she's been

sleeping about 2 hrs. per night. I gave her camomile to start with. Then I

had her take valarian and alfalfa. I read outloud from some of my books

just what they would do to help her. We put vitamin E on her incision and

had more tea..dong quai, passion flower, had her take vit. B. By bedtime

her nose was in one of my books and SHE was reading outloud to ME, :-) When

I woke up in the morning she was reading over her cup of tea. She said that

she slept better than she had in a long time with less pain. I'll be

sending her St. Johns extract,& zinc.  She has been taking E and C for some

years and I think she's going to do much better now. I just wish I had more

of an awareness of herbs when she had her hip replacement a few years ago.

That was tough. Apologies for such a long post.

Judy  



At 11:48 AM 2/6/99 -0600, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:

>

>Hi Judy,

>

>On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, Judy and Bob McCabe wrote:

>

>> To herb@MyList.net from Judy and Bob McCabe <mccabe2@execpc.com>:

>>

>> My mother had a masectomy two weeks ago and is experiencing some pain

>> around the incision area. 









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: incision pain

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 22:37:23 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Drinking lots of water & applying vitamin E oil to the incision also

> helped me quite a bit.  The vitamin E is really good for reducing scaring

> too.  Vitamin E can be taken internally to speed up healing as

> well.  



E, C, and zinc can be put in solution and sprayed on the wound every few

minutes.



Bromelain is the obvious choice for internal use. It will reduce the

inflammation and prevent excess scar tissue formation.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: incision pain

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 22:37:33 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> My mother had a mastectomy two weeks ago and is experiencing some pain

> around the incision area. The pills that the Dr. gave her do not help.



Dandelion root internally, and tofu plasters externally, will clear away the

heat that is accumulating in the injured skin. 



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: aluminium

From: October Moon <oct-moon@juno.com>

Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 09:06:45 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from October Moon <oct-moon@juno.com>:



I KNOW that one should never use aluminium for preparing any herbal

concoction, and probably not for any cooking at all, and I have read in

several books "Never use aluminum",

but I can not ever recall reading exactly why?

Anyone?

Blessings,

Nell



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: aluminium

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:44:15 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Aluminium is toxic in larger than required doses, and like most minerals

it has a fairly narrow amount and relative balance to other minerals to

be necessary.  It is found in a very large number of herbs (like

echinacea, thyme, rasberry leaf and kelp), but is not necessarily

absorbed.   The intestinal flora regulate your aluminium absorption, but

most of us have compromised flora due to past antibiotic use, poor diets

and even "good" foods with a low level of vitality. 

 

Aluminium in any cooking or decanting vessel which is exposed to acids

will react with the food or menstrum. (They used to tell us in Home Ec to

cook peas in aluminum to make them brighter.)  The pots are very

reactive:  I tried growing a crystal from solution in a Smithsonian

Institute kit with my sons and we used an aluminum cooking pot.  Instead

of 3" long acqua crystals we ended up with powdery white crystaline sand

which kept growing and growing.



Dementia is associated with aluminum in rats and people.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.                  

                "Treating an illness after it has begun is like

suppressing revolt after

it has broken out."      The Yellow Emperor's Classic of Medicine



On Sun, 07 Feb 1999 09:06:45 EST October Moon <oct-moon@JUNO.COM> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from October Moon <oct-moon@juno.com>:  I KNOW that 

>one should never use aluminium for preparing any herbal

>concoction, and probably not for any cooking at all, and I have read 

>in

>several books "Never use aluminum",

>but I can not ever recall reading exactly why?

>Anyone?

>Blessings, Nell  

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: aluminium

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:29:20 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



Karen Vaughan said

>Aluminium is <>found in a very large number of herbs (like

>echinacea, thyme, rasberry leaf and kelp), but is not necessarily

>absorbed.   The intestinal flora regulate your aluminium absorption, but

>most of us have compromised flora due to past antibiotic use, poor diets

>and even "good" foods with a low level of vitality.



Okay, Karen...are you saying then that good intestinal flora will absorb

very little aluminum (or "just enough"), and that compromised flora will let

too much in (which is how it would make sense to me), or are you saying the

opposite....that good flora absorbs more aluminum and weak flora lets it

pass through unabsorbed (doubt the latter, but I need to ask)...

Thanks for the info on this...

Joanie







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: A question

From: COG197@aol.com

Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:50:24 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from COG197@aol.com:



Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could suggestion some herbal remedies for chronic

diarrhea or spastic colon

thanks

Jeanne





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: A question

From: RP <palemoon@bestweb.net>

Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 17:21:41 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from RP <palemoon@bestweb.net>:





Mullein Leaves:



Mullein is said to be of much value in diarrhea, from its combination of

demulcent with astringent properties, by this combination strengthening the

bowels at the same time. In diarrhcea the ordinary infusion is generally given,

but when any bleeding of the bowels is present, the decoction prepared with

milk is recommended.



Roger



COG197@aol.com wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from COG197@aol.com:

>

> Hi,

> I was wondering if anyone could suggestion some herbal remedies for chronic

> diarrhea or spastic colon

> thanks

> Jeanne







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: A question

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 17:42:17 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:







COG197@aol.com wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from COG197@aol.com:

>

> Hi,

> I was wondering if anyone could suggestion some herbal remedies for chronic

> diarrhea or spastic colon

> thanks

> Jeanne



 cat"s claw  and slippery elm sometimes help as does bark powders

herbally yours Harriett







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: ??? on herbal drinks

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:11:47 -0600 (CST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:





Hi All,



There has been some interesting discussion lately about herbal drinks to

replace coffee in the list.  Usually folks were talking about getting rid

of headache symptoms or finding a replacement that tasted like coffee.  I

would like to hear about tastey herbal drinks to drink instead of coffee

but the coffee taste does not need to recreated.  Hot or cold drinks are 

fine for my purposes.  Certain medical properties would be nice, but are

not required since my main purpose is to lower caffiene intake. (I would

say our most pesky health concerns these days are help with nasal

allergies or liver cleansing for me, or help with congestion in the lungs

and general detoxification from the harmful effects of smoking for my SO.)



I already mix my own blend of Chai, take milk thistle, know about &

periodically make the exotic tumeric and milk drink Paul wrote about,

make homemade fruit smoothies, & drink green & peppermint teas.



BTW Someone told me pepermint is really good for helping the lungs detox

from cigarette smoking but I can not substantiate that claim.  Does anyone

have any info about peppermint & the lungs?



Thanks!  



Barbara







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ??? on herbal drinks

From: "Kristine J. Makl" <kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu>

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:27:57 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Kristine J. Makl" <kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu>:



I would be very interested in this exotic tumeric and milk drink.  What is

the recipe and what are the benefits of drinking it?  I've seen quite a bit

about tumeric lately, it seems to be an herb that has lots of uses.



Thanks

Kris







Barbara wrote:

>

>I already mix my own blend of Chai, take milk thistle, know about &

>periodically make the exotic tumeric and milk drink Paul wrote about,

>make homemade fruit smoothies, & drink green & peppermint teas.









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: ??? on herbal drinks

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:09:54 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>I would be very interested in this exotic tumeric and milk drink.  What is

>the recipe and what are the benefits of drinking it?  I've seen quite a bit

>about tumeric lately, it seems to be an herb that has lots of uses.





Cook the Turmeric in water at a pasty consistency for a minute.  Paste may

be stored in refrigerator.  Use 1 spoonful in a cup of scalded milk with a

little honey to taste.  Great for inflammations, stomach troubles, etc.







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To: "Med Herbs" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Prednisone

From: "M. Lazar" <jedihands@wwisp.com>

Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:15:54 -0000

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To herb@MyList.net from "M. Lazar" <jedihands@wwisp.com>:



Could you please suggest a

replacement for prednisone?



TIA

Marianne

jedihands@wwisp.com







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Prednisone

From: "M. Lazar" <jedihands@wwisp.com>

Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:21:07 -0000

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "M. Lazar" <jedihands@wwisp.com>:



It was prescribed for Chronic

Myofacial Pain, similar to

Fibromyalgia.

Marianne

jedihands@wwisp.com

>>

>> Could you please suggest a

>> replacement for prednisone?

>>

>> TIA

>> Marianne

>> jedihands@wwisp.com

>

>  Need to know the reason it was

prescribed before can suggest herb

or

>homeopathic.

>

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Prednisone

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 23:47:35 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:







M. Lazar wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from "M. Lazar" <jedihands@wwisp.com>:

>

> It was prescribed for Chronic

> Myofacial Pain, similar to

> Fibromyalgia.

> Marianne

> jedihands@wwisp.com

> >>

> >> Could you please suggest a

> >> replacement for prednisone?

> >>

> >> TIA

> >> Marianne

> >> jedihands@wwisp.com

> >

> >  Need to know the reason it was

> prescribed before can suggest herb

> or

> >homeopathic.

> >

> >



  I know exactly what you are going through. I was on prednisone also,

bad stuff.

I have a few suggestions.

First: find a myofacial release facilitator, or in plain english a

massage therapist that specializes in myofacial massage.

Second: Healthy diet

third: LOTS of pure water at least 80 oz a day

fourth: get on a good vitamin regimen e,c,b,zink,beta carotene folic

acid ect.

fifth: herbs I take are, St. John's wart, cats claw, ginkgo, kava kava.

I also take glutiamne leucine glucosamine MSM

sixth: you must exercise-I started with gentle stretching and walking

around the outside of the house.  Now I can do three miles on a good

day.  Still have bad days (but much less often) those days I go to the

mail box and back.

Don't want to bore the group so will stop here.  If you want to know

more feel free

to e-mail me hahardin@cntwk.net

herbally Harriett







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Prednisone

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 23:10:17 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:







M. Lazar wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from "M. Lazar" <jedihands@wwisp.com>:

>

> Could you please suggest a

> replacement for prednisone?

>

> TIA

> Marianne

> jedihands@wwisp.com



  Need to know the reason it was prescribed before can suggest herb or

homeopathic.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: aluminum

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 18:06:34 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:







October Moon wrote...



Hi Nell,

It is really simple aluminum breaks down while you are cooking especially

with high acid foods such as tomato products.  Remember the iron skillet how

if you are low in iron eat foods cooked in it, works the same with your

aluminium pot.  Theoretically aluminum can cause Alzheimers and other

neurological diseases.



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: United Plant Savers

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:52:25 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



I want to urge members of this list who have not yet done so, especially

those living in North America, to join and actively support United Plant

Savers.  

( info@plantsavers.org or http://www.plantsavers.org )



UpS is a nonprofit organization dedicated to preserving native medicinal

plants.  Its activities include planting endangered species, educating

the public about which herbs are endangered or at risk, disseminating

information on research  which may permit sustainable cultivation or

harvest of at-risk plants, sponsoring  trail building projects, medicinal

plant identification tagging programs, establishing a network of

Botanical Sanctuaries as respositories for at risk native medicinal

plants, establishing seed-saver programs, rebuilding habitats for native

plants, consulting with farmers to cultivate and market organically

cultivated medicinal herbs and informing the marketplace about the

importance of buying sustainablely harvested herbs.  



The group is run by well-known herbalists like Rosemary Gladstar,

Christopher Hobbs and Pam Montgomery.  Other board members or advisory

committee members include James Green, Deb Soule, James Duke, Steven

Foster, Michael Moore, David Winston and David Hoffman.  (There are many

others).



Membership is not expensive and is *well* worth the cost in benefitting

the native medicinal plants we depend upon for our health.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re ??? on herbal drinks

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:17:07 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



Barbara,



When you asked about a non-caffeine substitute for coffee, I thought about

roasted chicory root.  I have seen roasted corn in some Oriental grocery stores.

I believe this is used as a coffee substitute.  But if you don't need to

recreate the coffee flavor, you can choose among anything except tea, cola,

yerba mat, chocolate and guarana.



I have used peppermint, not convinced of anything special, but if it were

capable of cleaning the lungs, that would be felt on a very gradual basis, so I

wouldn't have noticed it and therefore can't rule out that possibility.  Coal

miners, who all develop black lung disease after some years, surely could 

benefit from a lung cleaner.



Thomas Mueller

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Re ??? on herbal drinks

From: Roses9652@aol.com

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:35:45 EST

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I have a question.  I find that when I drink several cups of peppermint tea

(say 4 in a morning or evening, when I have a cold coming on, or feel

congested a bit)my throat and lungs seem to "burn" a bit.  I'm not quite sure

that is the description I want to use...but, all the same, why would I have

this symptom?  It is not painful, just a little uncomfortable & annoying; and

inevitably, I quit drinking the tea.  Any thoughts on this?  



RJH





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: aluminium, minerals and herbs

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:26:29 -0500

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I'm saying that generally speaking, the healthy gut flora absorbs "just

enough" aluminum from normal dietary sources, and causes the excretion of

the rest (and this would apply to many other minerals too.)  Of course

most of us do not have the healthiest gut flora, so we should avoid

non-normal dietary levels (from drugs, aluminum pots and the like.) 

Other factors that affect absorption include which other minerals are

present in which proportions, how frequently the mineral is given (all at

once as with a pill or throughout the day through the diet.) And

sometimes, as with yellow dock and iron, an herb permits better

utilization of a mineral eventhough it contains little of it itself.



This illustrates the fallacy of "constituent thinking".  Just because a

mineral or other nutrient is in a plant (and constituents are discovered

by grinding up or burning dead plants, not by measuring our absorption of

them), it doesn't mean that we either benefit from or are hurt by that

nutrient.  



With some nutrients we can measure serum levels in the blood after

ingesting plants, but these are not terribly common and a correlation

with healthy gut flora is almost never (if ever) considered.  That is why

clinical outcome based analysis is necessary with herbs.  



Karen Vaughan

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On Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:29:20 -0500 "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:

>

>Karen Vaughan said

>>Aluminium is <>found in a very large number of herbs (like

>>echinacea, thyme, rasberry leaf and kelp), but is not necessarily

>>absorbed.   The intestinal flora regulate your aluminium absorption, 

>but

>>most of us have compromised flora due to past antibiotic use, poor 

>diets

>>and even "good" foods with a low level of vitality.

>

>Okay, Karen...are you saying then that good intestinal flora will 

>absorb

>very little aluminum (or "just enough"), and that compromised flora 

>will let

>too much in (which is how it would make sense to me), or are you 

>saying the

>opposite....that good flora absorbs more aluminum and weak flora lets 

>it

>pass through unabsorbed (doubt the latter, but I need to ask)...

>Thanks for the info on this...

>Joanie

>

>



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Subject: RE: Question

From: "Claudia M. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionistclm@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 07:29:44 PST

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To herb@MyList.net from "Claudia M. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionistclm@hotmail.com>:



Hi, Jeanne



>I was wondering if anyone could suggestion 

>some herbal remedies for chronic

>diarrhea or spastic colon



I have had trouble with this on and off myself,

and first had to consider my diet, what foods

would aggravate this condition and what foods

I am sensative to - I believe this varies with

the individual but there are certain foods that

you can avoid right off and see if it helps,

like dairy, caffeine, raw vegies (vegies are good

but steam them when the system is acting up).



I have found it helpful to use powdered Slippery

Elm - shake a teasp. in water a couple times a

day and drink or use capsules with water.  Though

not an herb, Acidophilus is very important for

replenishing "good" bacteria in the colon, and has

even stopped diarrhea for my husband and myself.

Magnesium - a couple of around 250 mg. tablets

at seperate times during the day - relaxes spasms.

Though a lot of magnesium can cause loose stools, I

haven't found this amount to be a problem.

Herbs in tea or other form like

chamomile and catnip are also calming. 



Once more, though, I think diet is something that you

should really consider more, find a nutritionist near

you or contact me if I can be of any service.  

 

Have a great day!



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Tinctures

From: "Becky Wells" <wellsb@facmgmtserver.fm.csus.edu>

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:48:18 PST8PDT

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To herb@MyList.net from "Becky Wells" <wellsb@facmgmtserver.fm.csus.edu>:





I have a question from a friend and I'm too new at using herbs to

answer her. I don't remember this one ever coming up since I've been

lurking.



She took weekend course in herbs with me last summer and using the

instructions as we were taught and what she read in books, she

started several tinctures... 



She says she put 1 handful of each chosen dried herb into its 

own 1 pint Mason jar, poured in Korbel Brandy (interesting choice!)

to cover the dried materials plus an inch, set them in a dark

cupboard, shook them daily for a while and FORGOT that they were

there... That was back in July of 1998. Some of the names I remember

from her recitation are Cramp Bark, Dong Quai, Wood Betony, and

Gingko, but there are a few more.  I think she got a "recipe" for a

tonic from the instructor.



Now, the obvious question is "Are they still good medicinally?" The

herbs are still soaking in the brandy and have not been decanted yet

and she asked ME if they are still good and I don't know how to

answer her.  I was told by the same teacher that they need to be

filtered and strained within  2 to 4 weeks and used within 2 years.



Any advice?

I learn so much from you all... Thanks!

Becky









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Tinctures

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:21:24 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



First, the tinctures are probably as good as if she strained them

earlier.  There are a few herbs that don't hold well in tinctures, but

most will last many years.



Secondly, brandy will work for any herb that doesn't need a higher proof

menstrum  (I use 151 proof rum when I can't get grain alcohol and need

something stronger than vodka).  Go to Henriette's web page and find the

list of tincture/alcohol  proportions in the archives.  It will tell her

which herbs need which percentage of alcohol to extract properly.  Bear

in mind that the water within fresh undried plants needs to be taken into

account in calculating the ratios.



The ratio of plants to menstrum (alcohol plus water) is another issue. 

With that much herb to alcohol, it may be difficult to squeeze out enough

tincture, especially without a tincture press.  Standard tincture ratios

are 1 part dried herb to 5 parts menstrum or 1 to 3, for a stronger

product.  Her method may be better suited to fresh herbs (but then

stronger alcohol may be needed because of the water content of the herb.)

 



I suggest you both might want to get Debra St. Claire's book, The Herbal

Medicine Cabinet, which provides good information on making tinctures and

contains a solven range chart for the specific herbs.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:48:18 PST8PDT "Becky Wells" >She says she put 1

handful of each chosen dried herb into its 

>own 1 pint Mason jar, poured in Korbel Brandy (interesting choice!)

>to cover the dried materials plus an inch, set them in a dark

>cupboard, shook them daily for a while and FORGOT that they were

>there... That was back in July of 1998. Some of the names I remember

>from her recitation are Cramp Bark, Dong Quai, Wood Betony, and

>Gingko, but there are a few more.  I think she got a "recipe" for a

>tonic from the instructor.

>

>Now, the obvious question is "Are they still good medicinally?"



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Subject: Re: Tinctures

From: "natural" <natural@wt.net>

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:42:46 -0600

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Excellent post as always Karen.  Thank you.



I'd like to have a list of herbs which don't hold well in tinctures.  I know

yellow dock and poke root don't.  Any other?



Rosie





>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

>First, the tinctures are probably as good as if she strained them

>earlier.  There are a few herbs that don't hold well in tinctures, but

>most will last many years.

>

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:tofu indigestibility/bean indigestibility/solutions

From: Christine Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@macalester.edu>

Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 11:15:25 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Christine Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@macalester.edu>:



I'm not sure if this is true of soy specifically, but beans in general

cause gas because of long chain carbohydrates called ogliosaccarides.  The

ogliosaccaride content of beans can be cut down by soaking them overnight &

then discarding the water.



But various companies have been marketing ogliosaccaride supplements, and

people buy them.   I suppose they are beneficial to the intestinal flora,

since what causes the problem gas is these carbs getting down to your

intestine undigested and "flora" gobbles them up and makes gas.  I've also

heard (and experienced) that if you make beans a regular part of your diet,

the gas reaction gets less and less, probably because more efficient

"flora" start to predominate in your gut.  (Warning: the Probably part is a

theory, and may or may not be correct)  So, the gas that comes from beans

may be a positive thing, and the amount of gas can be decreased during the

"breaking in" period by soaking those beans.  A painful amount of gas would

not be beneficial. Yes, that means you shouldn't use the canned beans, you

have to start working from the dried until you're ready for full strength

beans.  No, I'm not sure this is entirely true of soy beans, and soy beans

are the very devil to cook, but I am certain this is true of kidney, pinto,

black, great northern, chickpeas, etc.  Besides, most forms of soy wouldn't

really be things you can reduce ogliosaccarides in by soaking, since few of

us actually eat soy beans.



If you were having trouble with soy and wanted to include it in your diet

you could try working these other more simple beans into your diet &

breaking yourself in on them, and then adding soy gradually.



If you are new to beans, I recommend trying black beans first.  They are

really cool looking, they turn the soaking water purple, and they are very

tasty.

In the interest of intestinal health, I have included a brief recipe:



2 cups dried black turtle beans, soaked overnight, drained, and covered to

twice their depth in water and cooked in a slow cooker all day while you

are at work or doing something else.

When you get home, mash undrained beans with a potato masher, or run

through a food processor or blender.

fry 2 cups chopped onions in a little olive oil & throw them into the crock

pot with your soupy mashed beans.  Throw in a teaspoon or two of chili

powder, 3 big tablespoons of cumin, 1/2 cup orange juice concentrate

(frozen or thawed) More or less to taste, and a cup or more of picante

sauce, any strength.  Stir until blended.  Continue to heat in the slow

cooker until hot.  Add cayenne or any of the other forms of chiles to

taste, if you want some additional heat.  If you must, add salt only after

tasting the finished soup.  Salt will slow the softening of beans if added

to early in the cooking process.  Beans are like a black hole when it comes

to spices, you think you are adding a lot of spice but the beans just soak

it up.



Chris

oinonenehren@macalester.edu









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Insomnia

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:22:22 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:



I'm looking for information for someone who has suffered from insomnia and

irregular sleep for a number of years and is complaining that it is worse

recently.



She's  a woman in her mid forties, ovaries have been removed, sometimes

suffers from bad nightmares, prone to diarhea, drinks one cup of coffee a

day in the morning, has undergone radiation treatment in the last six months

for a suspected tumor, has a fair bit of stiffness in her lower back. Her

legs are a little thin but otherwise her weight is about normal for a woman

of her age.



She finds valerian upsets her stomach.



I'm thinking maybe skullcap.



Any other ideas?







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Insomnia

From: Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 13:52:22 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



At 12:22 PM 2/8/99 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:

>

>I'm looking for information for someone who has suffered from insomnia and

>irregular sleep for a number of years and is complaining that it is worse

>recently.

>

>She finds valerian upsets her stomach.

>

>I'm thinking maybe skullcap.

>

>Any other ideas?



Three... Catnip tea, Chamomille tea, and, IMHO, the best -- Hops!



Scott Carlton

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: Insomnia

From: Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:24:15 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



At 02:12 PM 2/8/99 -0800, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Deatherage, Geralyn" <GDeather@regalusa.com>:

>

>Would these be Okay for a pregnant woman?    She has serious insomnia.

>

>>Three... Catnip tea, Chamomille tea, and, IMHO, the best -- Hops!

>>

>>Scott Carlton

>>carlton@mint.net



Certainly I would have no concerns re: catnip or chamomille.  From a

personal note I would have none with the hops either, although some other

folks may have a better feel on this.  I recall stories of women working in

the hops fields having experienced shifts in menstrual cycles, and some

other hormonal annomalies but I believe that was shown (or believed) to be

primarily a function of the pollen.  Some people allegedly contract a

'contact dermatitis' from handling of the plant ... but again, I think that

is primarily from the 'fresh' plant... I can't imagine dumping some dried

hops into a teapot would have that effect... but it sure does help one

sleep!  



Scott

carlton@mint.net





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Insomnia

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:55:51 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>I'm looking for information for someone who has suffered from insomnia and

>irregular sleep for a number of years and is complaining that it is worse

>recently.

>

>She's  a woman in her mid forties, ovaries have been removed,



Probably having trouble balancing hormones



 sometimes

>suffers from bad nightmares, prone to diarhea, drinks one cup of coffee a

>day in the morning, has undergone radiation treatment in the last six

months

>for a suspected tumor, has a fair bit of stiffness in her lower back. Her

>legs are a little thin but otherwise her weight is about normal for a woman

>of her age.



Lots of heat here.  Needs to detoxify.  Needs to absolutely quit ALL

caffeine intake. Drink Chamomile and peppermint instead.  Stiffness in lower

back might indicate kidney stress.  Cool off the liver and kidneys, perhaps

cold yarrow infusion  (infuse with boiling water and cool in refrigerator).

Dandelion root is good for both kidneys and liver.  There are a number of

detoxifying methods.  Diet should be investigated.  Lifestyle should be

looked at.  She could use a proper consultation with a good clinical

herbalist.

>

>She finds valerian upsets her stomach.

>

>I'm thinking maybe skullcap.

>

>Any other ideas?

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Insomnia

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 22:02:44 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> sometimes

> >suffers from bad nightmares, prone to diarhea, drinks one cup of coffee a

> >day in the morning, has undergone radiation treatment in the last six

> months

> >for a suspected tumor, has a fair bit of stiffness in her lower back. Her

> >legs are a little thin but otherwise her weight is about normal for a woman

> >of her age.

> 

> Lots of heat here.  Needs to detoxify. 



Nope. Those aren't heat signs, but signs of cold and qi depletion, which are

probably on top of a liver pattern. 



This is the sort of person who simply has too little energy to sleep well. The

Chinese formula of choice is Gui Pi Tang, Restore the Spleen Decoction. 



Failing that, ginseng tea would be helpful.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Insomnia

From: Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:51:28 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>:



I don't think anybody's mentioned my favorite for insomnia, passionflower.

Great for the type of insomnia where you can't sleep because you can't stop

thinking.



Sarah





At 12:22 PM 2/8/99 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:

>

>I'm looking for information for someone who has suffered from insomnia and

>irregular sleep for a number of years and is complaining that it is worse

>recently.

>

>She's  a woman in her mid forties, ovaries have been removed, sometimes

>suffers from bad nightmares, prone to diarhea, drinks one cup of coffee a

>day in the morning, has undergone radiation treatment in the last six months

>for a suspected tumor, has a fair bit of stiffness in her lower back. Her

>legs are a little thin but otherwise her weight is about normal for a woman

>of her age.

>

>She finds valerian upsets her stomach.

>

>I'm thinking maybe skullcap.

>

>Any other ideas?

>

>

>





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Insomnia

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:01:23 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I don't think anybody's mentioned my favorite for insomnia, passionflower.

> Great for the type of insomnia where you can't sleep because you can't stop

> thinking.



For occasional insomnia, passionflower is pretty good. But most people feel

drugged the morning after, and CHRONIC cases like the one in question can't be

managed with such acute-prescription plants anyhow.



It is a great plant, though. Thanks for mentioning it.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: At risk herbs to avoid

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:25:38 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Those of you who are new to herbs and those who are branching out into

new herbs should be aware of the ecological problems associated with

wildcrafted herbs.  Many of the at risk herbs are being denuded from

their natural habitats to supply the ever growing herb trade.  Land which

supports many wild plants is being  torn apart, killing not only the

overharvested plant but the many which grow in association with it. 

There are potholes across the prarie of the midwest where echinacea has

been strip mined.  American ginseng and goldenseal are nearly gone from

the wild.  But many of us have heard that "wildcrafted is stronger". 

What to do?



First, there are several herbs that you should avoid altogether, like

Lady's slipper orchid (Cypripedium spp.), Venus fly trap (Dionacea

muscipula), Sundew (Drossera spp.), Osha (Ligusticum porteri and spp.). 

Osha, for example tends not to grow well in cultivation- it requires high

elevations, doesn't set seed every year and the practice of "ethical

wildcrafters' of replanting the crown appears not to be terribly

effective at allowing regrowth.  



Then there are herbs which you should avoid unless you KNOW you have

organic cultivated sources.   Echinacea angustifolia, for example, is

rarely cultivated because it is somewhat more difficult to grow than E.

purpurea.  Wildcrafting of echinacea is responsible for habitat

destruction and the disappearance of rarer varieties of echinacea. So use

cultivated echinacea and that usually means E. purpurea.  



Avoid goldenseal (Hydrastis canadensis) altogether in major name brands

because there is not enough cultivated organic goldenseal to supply major

suppliers.  There are smaller labels that can supply organic cultivated

goldenseal, but there is so little that you should reserve it for

pneumonia or serious, deeply entrenched respiratory illnesses.  HerbPharm

is doing promising chromatographic analysis to see whether the leaves can

be sustainably harvested instead of the root, but it isn't at market. 

Use NO echinacea-goldenseal capsules either- they do different things and

the capsules are wasteful of one herb or another.  Goldenseal does not

prevent flu or colds and is not useful at the early stages of the

illnesses.  Use cultivated echinacea or Oregon grape instead.  And if you

need it, or even just have the proper habitat, grow goldenseal yourself.



Wild yam (Dioscorea villosa) should also be cultivated because it is

disappearing from the wild and the digging destroys habitat.  The

increasing demand from both the herbal and pharmaceutical industry has

placed this herb at risk.  Don't use it as progesterone if you need

progesterone, because that isn't what it does (you would need a lab, not

a human body to transform it.)  Use cultivated sources for the legitimate

lubricating uses.



Kava kava (Piper methysticum) from Hawaii is at risk.  Use kava from

other areas or from the small manufacturers which are known for their

committment to  ethical wildcrafting. 



American ginseng can be difficult to cultivate without fungicides.  Woods

grown Panax quinquefolium is being cultivated in Maine and should be on

the market in five years or so.  A few growers using glacial soil dust

have cultivated root that equals wild-crafted root, but this is a

minority of the American ginseng on the market.  Use eluthero (Siberian

Giinseng) which is generally more suitable for younger, adrenally

stressed persons, with warming herbs for older people who might actually

benefit from panax species.  Or nettles, ashwaganda, or other tonic herbs

as appropriately chosen for the person in question.



Slippery elm (Ulmus rubra) has succumbed to Dutch Elm disease, habitat

destruction and over harvesting.  Use marshmallow instead and plant

slippery elm trees if you have land.  It would be a tragedy if this

important tree were to disappear.



Black cohosh (Cimicifuga racemosa)'s popularity for memstrual and

menopausal conditions has created a huge demand which threatens the

plant.  Much of the black coholsh harvested in America goes to the

multinational pharmaceutical industry.  It can be harvested sustainably

by breaking off the bud-less "back" of the pronged root and replanting

the remaining prong.  Planting is difficult (the seed must be planted

quickly after stratification) but not impossible and if you use it, grow

it in your garden.  The plant is ornamental and  readily available for

cultivation.  Try to find cultivated sources.



Other at risk plants include Bloodroot (Sanguinaria cancdensis), Blue

cohosh (Caulophyllum thalicteroides), Helonias or False Unicorn Root

(Chamalirium), Lomatium dissectum, Partridge berry (Mitchella repens),

Peyote (lophophora williamsii), Trillium and True Unicorn (Aletris

farinosa).  Find substitutes for these plants or simply avoid them. Grow

these if you have the proper conditions, even if only to provide a

sanctuary for the future.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: At risk herbs to avoid

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:44:20 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:25:38 -0500, creationsgarden@juno.com wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>Those of you who are new to herbs and those who are branching out into

>new herbs should be aware of the ecological problems associated with



(snip)

Where'd you get your list from? A couple of points:



>Sundew (Drossera spp.), 



Drosera is abundant in every single bog over here. Problem is, it's got such a

good camouflage, and it's so tiny that you can't see it unless it's in flower. 

I don't think it's endangered, I think it's been looked for at the wrong time of

year.



>Osha (Ligusticum porteri and spp.). 



There are LOADS of different Ligusticums. Only a handful of them do what osha

does, and among that handful are some locally abundant ones. 

It's gone from places where you go to pick up a fast buck, ie. within a mile or

so from roads. Walk further into the woods and you'll find it.

And if you find osha too expensive you can try Levisticum officinale (lovage)

(also called Ligusticum levisticum). It's similar in effect, even if it hasn't

got that little something that osha has.



>(goldenseal)

>is doing promising chromatographic analysis to see whether the leaves can



Shrug. The leaves work just fine. You pick the larger leaf, which doesn't

support a flower, and leave the rest to grow.



>(wild yam)

>a human body to transform it.)  Use cultivated sources for the legitimate

>lubricating uses.



It's a duct antispasmodic. "lubricating uses"?



>Kava kava (Piper methysticum) from Hawaii is at risk.  Use kava from



Kava kava is one of those plants without origin, and without a "wild"

population. It's either cultivated or gone wild from cultivation. That means

there's no real "wildcrafting" of kava, and therefore it can't be an endangered

species.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: At risk herbs to avoid

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:54:30 -0500

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The at risk plants are at risk medicinal herbs of north America, all on

the United Plant Saver's at risk list.  Our bogs have been extensively

drained in the last several years, to make room for housing developments,

roads and other less "messy" land uses.  Glad to know Drossera is still

are doing well in Finland..



Lovage and Chinese ligusticum are good partial substitutes for Osha-

thanks for mentioing lovage, which even grows in Brooklyn herb gardens. 

When osha was primarily harvested by herbalists and Native Americans who

had the patience and reverence to do it correctly, the stands were not in

great danger- especially when taken from locally abundant fields. 

However commercialization has hit Osha (In factOsha/Lomatium capsules are

being sold as "beyond echinacea" according to Kathleen McKeon in the UpS

Winter '99 newsletter- an at risk two-fer!)



Aerial parts are useful for a number of plants which are harvested as

roots.  Goldenseal is one, ginseng is another, and of course echinacea is

a third.  With the exception of echinacea however, the commercially

available herbal capsules on the mass market are made from the roots.  So

unless you know what you are getting, (say your local herbalist or you

make it up from cultivated leaves) , assume yours is coming from the

roots .  Some 90 million goldenseal plants are currently being harvested

annually in the US, most of which are not sustainably harvested.



Kava kava was fairly abundant in Hawaii- I can't say whether it was

native there or a naturalized alien import from the South Seas.  However

it was not just cultivated.  Kava is not at risk in Polynesia. 

Cultivated sources rather than wildcrafted sources should be used.  It is

being grown on plantations in several areas of the world, which should

save wild stocks.  However demand is so great that lots of low-quality

kava is coming to market.  Buy yours from someone who tests and uses the

cultivated stuff.



And I learned the lubricating properties of Dioscorea (wild yam) from

Amanda McQuade Crawford. Also a duct antispasmodic, as you say.  Which is

why wild yam creme  tends to help menopausal women for internal

lubrication, even absent the progesterone which many think they are

getting.



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Subject: Re: At risk herbs to avoid

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:40:37 -0700 (MST)

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Karen <KarenM@lsnc.org>:



If osha is the only thing that seems to relieve your worst asthma symptoms, how

do you take/prepare it?  Raw?  Decoction?  Infusion?  Whole or cut/sifted?



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Labor

From: Kat11559@aol.com

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:18:53 EST

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Hi all,



My daughter inlaw is 2 weeks past due.  The Dr.s say that they are going to

induce labor on Thursday.  Any suggestions?



Thanks in advance.

Kathrine





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Labor

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:29:47 -0500

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I did it with blue cohosh the first time I was 2 weeks overdue...dosage I do

not remember though...it was a thick yucky decoction...

The second time, when I was a whole month overdue, blue cohosh would not

work (well, it HAD gotten old)...so, well....this one I gotta tell you

offlist...

Joanie



>Hi all,

>

>My daughter inlaw is 2 weeks past due.  The Dr.s say that they are going to

>induce labor on Thursday.  Any suggestions?

>

>Thanks in advance.

>Kathrine







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Subject: Re: Labor

From: Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:32:56 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



 from Kat11559@aol.com:

>

>Hi all,

>

>My daughter inlaw is 2 weeks past due.  The Dr.s say that they are going to

>induce labor on Thursday.  Any suggestions?

>

>Thanks in advance.

>Kathrine



 Red Trillium or Wakerobin (Trillium erectum) and Motherwort (Leonurus

cardiaca) spring to mind.  Both used for easing labor and, in the case of

the trillium, for the induction of labor... (so timing might be of some

import here!)... as well as promoting easier delivery.  



Might be worth seeing what you can find ... and other folks I'm sure have

more direct experience than I.



Scott

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Subject: Re: Labor

From: miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 02:03:57 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>:







Aliceann or Scott Carlton wrote:



> >My daughter inlaw is 2 weeks past due.  The Dr.s say that they are going to

> >induce labor on Thursday.  Any suggestions?



I have had sucess with the following: a full-body massage with gentle emphasis

on the sole of the foot, inner leg and thigh, using relaxing essential oils such

as lavender and/or geranium: this will relax, yet stimulate. Hot baths (not so

hot as to be uncomfortable, as this will distress the baby). A brisk walk, or as

brisk as a woman in her 10th month can manage... on the other hand, being rested

enough makes a positive difference too. Homeopathic caulophylum (consult a

qualified practitioner). A hot decoction of rosemary, in the bath or as the

basis for a steam treatment (put the hot decoction in a large soda bottle, put

the whole in the toilet - it won't tip over - and sit over this steam of

rosemary for 15 minutes).



All these mechanical considerations aside, it's important to talk with the

overdue mom and see if some emotional tangle exists which is pushing labor off.

I once had to stay up all night talking with an overdue woman whose contractions

were capriciously starting and stopping. She needed to talk about her parent's

divorce and her subsequent teenage life alone with her mother. Once she worked

through certain parts of her past, labor started and proceeded normally. Is your

daughter-in-law feeling safe and supported, or pressured/harried? A tense

woman's uterus and cervix take a long time to start working toward labor. If she

has been feeling pushed around or overwhelmed, lots of TLC will help everything

move forward. As Scott suggested, motherwort (Leonorus cardiaca) is a very good

calmer for pregnant women whose nerves are getting the better of them.



I hope everything works out well and that you'll be blissfully holding your new

(naturally birthed) grandchild in your arms soon.



Miriam Kresh

miriam_k@netvision.net.il







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Subject: Re: Labor

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:22:13 -0500

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Black and blue cohosh tinctures, in equal proportions (and use both!), 1

tsp each in pennyroyal leaf (NOT oil) tea.  Take  a cup hourly.  Make

sure you have your thermos of rasberry leaf tea, your bag packed and

transportation nearby.  I started it with my second when they started

hinting "toxemia, no birthing room" and I nearly had him on the front

steps.



(Never made it to the birthing room, at least not until after he was

out!)



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On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:18:53 EST Kat11559@aol.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Kat11559@aol.com:

>

>Hi all,

>

>My daughter inlaw is 2 weeks past due.  The Dr.s say that they are 

>going to

>induce labor on Thursday.  Any suggestions?

>

>Thanks in advance.

>Kathrine

>



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Subject: Re: Labor

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:26:57 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:



Kat11559@aol.com wrote:



> My daughter inlaw is 2 weeks past due.  The Dr.s say that they are going to

> induce labor on Thursday.  Any suggestions?

>

> Kathrine



  There is a formula that has blue cohosh, black cohosh,squaw vine, and

valerian.  It is in tincture form.  If the momma to be is ready for labor she

will go into it, but if not she won't. 10-15 drops in a cup of tea or juice.

If have to get separately, three drops per herb.  Once in labor Cotton root

bark also works to relax the cervix.

I have my ladies start on blue cohosh four weeks before due date and they seem

to have an easier time.

A few midwives use pennyroyal-I have used it only in cases of miscarriage, I am

not so sure of the safety with a live baby, so I don't take a chance. The

professionals in the list

will be able to tell if this is a safe option or not.

On the lighter side on sure way to get labor started IF baby and momma are

really ready is for the parents to be to have relations   Seminal fluid has

hormones that will act as

a natural inducer, I have my ladies prop their hips and stay in that position

until the bladder makes them get up.  Usually labor will start in 12-24 hours.

There are a couple of other

things but I can't think of a tactful way to phrase it so I won't.

Herbally, Harriett







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Subject: Re: Labor

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:55:32 -0500

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The problem with pennyroyal is its use in early pregnancy.  The oil used

even topically can cause miscarriage (and internally can be fatal).  One

would need huge amounts to cause a miscarriage in even an early healthy

pregnancy, but it might tip the balance towards miscarriage in a

tentative pregnancy. But drinking the tea to facilitate labor is entirely

appropriate.  



Note that most lists of herbs which are contraindicated in pregnancy

include herbs that stimulate labor.



Castor oil packs on the abdomen can help stimulate labor as well.  Seems

strange that something topical would work, but it can.



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Re: Labor

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:49:23 -0800

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On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:18:53 EST Kat11559@aol.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Kat11559@aol.com:

>

>Hi all,

>

>My daughter inlaw is 2 weeks past due.  The Dr.s say that they are 

>going to

>induce labor on Thursday.  Any suggestions?

>

>Thanks in advance.

>Kathrine

>

A  neighbor of mine went in with false labor and came home upset,

disappointed and discouraged.  As a palliative I gave her a branch of 

raspberry cane, and suggested that she take the leaves, wash them, make a

tea maybe with lemon and honey.  " It may do you good, and will do no

harm", I told her.   She did, and weeks later, she reported it was

successful.

It is an old remedy in many herbals.  Good luck!  Marcia

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Subject: Insomnia during pregnancy

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:01:00 -0500

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Don't take herbs for the insomnia during pregnancy, other than a little

catnip after the first trimester.  The awakening is Nature's way of

getting the mother prepared  for the baby's schedule.  



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Subject: Herbs for Treatment of Incontinence?

From: Christina Paul <sekhmet@netins.net>

Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:26:57 -0600

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Dear List:



Which herbs can any of you recommend for occassional incontinence. The

woman that I am talking to is complaining of 'losing a bit of control' when

she coughs.  She is in her mid thirties,  and seems to be in reasonably

good health. 



Any help would be appreciated.



Christina







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Herbs for Treatment of Incontinence?

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:57:58 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>Which herbs can any of you recommend for occassional incontinence. The

>woman that I am talking to is complaining of 'losing a bit of control' when

>she coughs.  She is in her mid thirties,  and seems to be in reasonably

>good health.







Probably needs some hormone balance.  Should do kegel exercises several

times daily.  Should get lots of exercise.  Walking is great.  Make sure

there is no low grade infection she is dealing with.







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Subject: Re: Herbs for Treatment of Incontinence?

From: "natural" <natural@wt.net>

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:49:14 -0600

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Both Karen and Anita gave some wonderful advise.  I've had several people

who have had similar problems and have been experimenting with several

formulations.  So far, equal parts of uva ursi, peppermint and chamomile in

either tea or capsule seems to help. After second week,  reduced the uva

ursi and used corn silk and/or horsetail and marshmallow.  If anyone cares

to try, please let me know how it works.



Thanks,



Rosie

this information is for e-mail discussion groups only and is not intended to

replace

a medical professional.

>

>Which herbs can any of you recommend for occassional incontinence. The

>woman that I am talking to is complaining of 'losing a bit of control' when

>she coughs.  She is in her mid thirties,  and seems to be in reasonably

>good health.

>

>Any help would be appreciated.

>

>Christina

>

>

>

>http://www.netins.net/showcase/ankh

>

>ICQ # 4699385

>

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs for Treatment of Incontinence?

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 22:02:52 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> >Which herbs can any of you recommend for occassional incontinence. The

> >woman that I am talking to is complaining of 'losing a bit of control' 

> >when she coughs.  She is in her mid thirties,  and seems to be in 

> >reasonably good health. 



Depletion of the 'kidney gate' is common enough in mid thirties. It is usually

due to qi depletion (insufficient qi to hold things in). The appropriate

therapy is astringent and qi boosting herbs. 



The Chinese like to use lotus calyx for these complaints. Peanut (or lotus

seed!) butter can be helpful (eaten). More rest, mild exercise, and consuming a

little lamb might be in order.



Golden Lock Pill is the standard herbal prescription.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs for Treatment of Incontinence?

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:26:18 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:



Christina Paul wrote:



> Which herbs can any of you recommend for occassional incontinence. The

> woman that I am talking to is complaining of 'losing a bit of control' when

> she coughs.  She is in her mid thirties,  and seems to be in reasonably

> good health.



A lot of my ladies have that problem after giving birth,  sometimes

incontinence doesn't make itself known for months and sometime years after, but

most of the time in ladiesincontinence is caused by the trauma of childbirth.

The pelvic floor muscles which support the uterus and the bladder take a

literal beating.  Before doing anything else I would first

have her start the kegel exercises-they will make the muscles toned and help

control

things better.  Of course healthy diet, pure water and healing herbs will help

the body

heal while the muscles rebuild.









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Subject: Re: Herbs for Treatment of Incontinence?

From: October Moon <oct-moon@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 10:00:19 EST

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I would reccomend an exercise called a Kegel, which is the tightening and

holding of the pelvic floor muscles for about 5 seconds at a time.  They

should be done in increments of 50- four times a day.  They may be done

in almost any position, ie. sitting in the car at a traffic light!

Blessings, Nell

On Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:26:57 -0600 Christina Paul <sekhmet@netins.net>

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Christina Paul <sekhmet@netins.net>:

>

>Dear List:

>

>Which herbs can any of you recommend for occassional incontinence. The

>woman that I am talking to is complaining of 'losing a bit of control' 

>when

>she coughs.  She is in her mid thirties,  and seems to be in 

>reasonably

>good health. 

>

>Any help would be appreciated.

>

>Christina

>

>

>

>http://www.netins.net/showcase/ankh

>

>ICQ # 4699385

>

>

>



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Subject: Re: trillium

From: Judy and Bob McCabe <mccabe2@execpc.com>

Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 20:35:00 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Judy and Bob McCabe <mccabe2@execpc.com>:



Hi,



What else can trillium be used for? We have a cabin in the northwoods of

Wi. and in the spring trillium is everywhere, It has a white blossom.  



Judy



>

> Red Trillium or Wakerobin (Trillium erectum) and Motherwort (Leonurus

>cardiaca) spring to mind.  Both used for easing labor and, in the case of

>the trillium, for the induction of labor... 







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Subject: Re: trillium

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 01:17:34 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



You can just enjoy them where they are, and know that many species are

becoming rare and endangered in other parts of the country.  It might also

be nice to learn what species

 grow around you ;-)

Joanie



>What else can trillium be used for? We have a cabin in the northwoods of

>Wi. and in the spring trillium is everywhere, It has a white blossom.

>

>Judy









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Making tinctures...

From: John Leschinski <muscle@televar.com>

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:28:11 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from John Leschinski <muscle@televar.com>:



>The ratio of plants to menstrum (alcohol plus water) is another issue.

>With that much herb to alcohol, it may be difficult to squeeze out enough

>tincture, especially without a tincture press.  Standard tincture ratios

(snip)

>I suggest you both might want to get Debra St. Claire's book, The Herbal

>Medicine Cabinet, which provides good information on making tinctures and

>contains a solven range chart for the specific herbs.



Where might one obtain a "tincture press?" As well as a host of other herb

preparation and and processing supplies? Tincture making goods, decent

non-toxic tea pots for infusions, etc. Is there a company or companies out

there that anyone knows of that would have a catalog of supplies?

Preferably DISCOUNT. :-)



And this St. Claire book on making tinctures...is it comprehensive and

worth the investment? Sounds like it, since it was Karen who suggested it,

but just thought I'd ask. Anyone else familiar with it on the list? I've

been trying to locate a decent book on making tinctures, so if anyone has

some good suggestions, please let me know. Thanks!



John









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Making tinctures...

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:27:48 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



For a tincture press, do a web search.  The one I got was like a large

C-clamp mounted to a stainless steel container, with a hard rubber

stopper.  You use it after having squeezed out the marc manually and get

a lot more tincture.  THe web page I got it from was from something like

Indian Motorcycle parts company (but I think they have moved it to a

linked site.)  I've seen it on a second web site as well.  The smaller

size actually applies more force to the marc.



There is another press that looks like a small wine press with a

perforated stainless steel basket, but I haven't used it.



I have a bunch of old second hand Chemex coffee makers- glass funnels,

beakers, etc. which are good for decanting and filtering.  Also some

vetinary syringes from Agway for getting things in and out of small

bottles. A small glass funnel with a stem which will fit in a tincture

bottle from a surplus store (lab equipment).  And most usefully, a medium

sized, conical, fine mesh strainer from a high quality cooking equipment

store which I use for infusions, tincture straining and general

straining.  The latter is the single most useful tool.



Earl Sweet of Canada had a fabulous percolation unit on display at the

last Green Nations conference.  It circulates the menstrum through a

glass chamber several times with a pump, making a tincture within a few

days or so.  His web page isn't very descriptive, but I tasted the

tinctures he made and was very impressed with the unit.  Now if I could

only afford the thousand dollars it cost... (which compares favorably to

other units on the market.) wizard@herbmeds.com



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Re: Making tinctures...

From: Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:11:47 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



At 08:27 AM 2/9/99 -0500, Karen Vaughan wrote:  (edited)

>For a tincture press, do a web search.  The one I got was like a large

>C-clamp mounted to a stainless steel container, with a hard rubber

>stopper.  You use it after having squeezed out the marc manually and get

>a lot more tincture.  I've seen it on a second web site as well.  The smaller

>size actually applies more force to the marc.

>

>There is another press that looks like a small wine press with a

>perforated stainless steel basket, but I haven't used it....

 Now if I could

>only afford the thousand dollars it cost... 



I add:  Some of you may already have an instrument which will increase your

yields significantly .  A centrifugal juice extractor (such as the Waring

NCI) which has a stainless steel screen basket will aid significantly in

extracting much more from your marc.  While it may not be quite as

efficient as an high-powered press it can sure help!  Don't be afraid to

let it run a few minutes, I think you'll be surprised at how dry your

residue is. 



Other household/garagehold/barnhold items likewise can be cobbled-up to

provide pressure... a small hydraulic jack comes to mind... it's just a

matter of putting a piston and a strainer together before pumping up!



Scott

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Making tinctures...

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:42:41 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:11:47 -0500, Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>

wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>>There is another press that looks like a small wine press with a

>>perforated stainless steel basket, but I haven't used it....



(on the convoluted percolator)

>>Now if I could

>>only afford the thousand dollars it cost... 

>

>I add:  Some of you may already have an instrument which will increase your

>yields significantly .  A centrifugal juice extractor (such as the Waring



A couple of points.



1) if you percolate your herbs with the right percentage then no matter what you

do, the quality of output will not increase significantly with more than one

pass-through.

2) a percolator cone needs be nothing fancy. A nice large clear screwcap

glassbottle will do the trick, after you've taken the bottom off it. One way to

do that is to tie a flammable-liquid-soaked string around the bottom, add flame,

let burn, and after a couple minutes quench in icewater. Then sandpaper. NO 1000

bucks needed, and perfectly adequate up to mid-sized businesses - your

percolated tincture will be done in 24 hours, most any time.

3) you don't need a tincture press if you percolate.



1) and 3) are related in that the quality of your percolate tincture will only

decrease if you add solids (which you do if you let your perc'd tinct pass

through the same marc again, let it pass through new marc, or if you press the

marc left over from your perc'd tincture). 

That is, if you percolate properly.



Of course, you can't percolate fresh herbs. And the centrifuge method should

work just nicely on macerated those leftover plant materials.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Making tinctures...

From: Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:08:36 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>:



Another cheap percolation kit:



Get a Mason jar and a Perrier bottle (they're just about the right size and

shape.) Take the very bottom of the Perrier bottle off, either with glass

cutters or the ice-water procedure that Henrietta described earlier, and

sand it down.



Put an unbleached coffee filter into the bottom of the inverted Perrier

bottle, fill with ground herb, place the inverted bottle into the Mason

jar, and cap the bottle so that about one drop per second will leak out,

and add menstruum. Voila! A cheap perc kit! It's small, but obviously

extremely inexpensive.



Sarah

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Making tinctures...

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:56:25 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>Where might one obtain a "tincture press?"



As a substitute, I picked up a centrifugal juicer at a garage sale for $5.

I just insert the tinctured herbs into the juicer and it nicely spins out

the juice.  It is fairly efficient.  maybe not as efficient as a tincture

press but better than pressing by hand.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herbs at risk, was Labor

From: miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:40:34 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>:







creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

> Black and blue cohosh tinctures, in equal proportions (and use both!), 1

> tsp each in pennyroyal leaf (NOT oil) tea.  Take  a cup hourly.  Make

> sure you have your thermos of rasberry leaf tea, your bag packed and

> transportation nearby.



Hi, Karen,



I was interested to see your post above. In my response to the "over due

date" question, I had included a formula I often use with my overdue

clients: 30% each black and blue cohoshes and trilllium, 10% liquorice to

balance everything. Before sending the post, I read through other messages,

and having found the three first herbs mentioned as currently at risk (at

least in the U.S.), decided against mentioning this formula. I went to sleep

wondering what other oxytocic herbs there are which would do the trick

(which are not at the edge of extinction), and meant to ask you about it

today.



So here are my questions: are there other oxytocic herbs which could be

effectively substituted for the cohoshes and trillium? And then, is there

justification for continuing to buy these herbs at risk, if one is confident

that their use will benefit people in need? Personally, I believe that

helping a woman to avoid induced labor benefits her, the baby, her family,

and society as a whole.



I'd welcome your comments, and anyone else's who cares to contribute.



Miriam Kresh

miriam_k@netvision.net.il











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs at risk, was Labor

From: Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 12:09:52 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



At 05:40 PM 2/9/99 +0200, miriam kresh wrote:  (edited)

In my response to the "over due

>date" question, I had included a formula I often use with my overdue

>clients: 30% each black and blue cohoshes and trilllium, 10% liquorice to

>balance everything. Before sending the post, I read through other messages,

>and having found the three first herbs mentioned as currently at risk (at

>least in the U.S.), decided against mentioning this formula. 

>

>So here are my questions: are there other oxytocic herbs which could be

>effectively substituted for the cohoshes and trillium? And then, is there

>justification for continuing to buy these herbs at risk, if one is confident

>that their use will benefit people in need? Personally, I believe that

>helping a woman to avoid induced labor benefits her, the baby, her family,

>and society as a whole.



In coming back to this topic I would submit that, while we need to be aware

of the ecological status of those species we use and recommend others use,

the basic point is that ALL SPECIES ... animal, plant, and mineral ARE AT

RISK as soon as a commercial market is deemed to exist.  



Plant species distributions are very irregular for many reasons, not the

least of which has been active intervention on the parts of human beings

and their animals.  What we see today is the result of hundreds (indeed

thousands) of years of such distribution.  The  consequence is that species

which have become rare/endangered in some localities are thriving in

others.  Trillium, for example (the red, erectum) is extremely common in

areas of  the Northeast US.... and for those of us on this list from New

England (whom I know to be conscientious in our collecting behaviors),

should still feel comfortable in utilizing what is available.  For any of

us to begin harvesting wild populations for market would be a crime... not

because of any plant's ecological 'index of relative abundance' but because

these markets are, indeed, precursors to extinction. 



This is clearly an example of the continuing "conservation/preservation"

argument.  There are pros and cons on each side of the fence. Miriam raises

a very good point on the side of conservation... the wise and sustainable

use of our resources ... while others (Joanie and Henriette among them)

point to a very legitimate preservationist outlook particularly where

species such as Goldenseal are concerned.  



There are, in my opinion two caveats we might embrace.  First the ages-old

idea that healing is best realized with local healing entities ... so for

us living in Trillium country, Trillium may be the way to go.  If Trillium

does not grow where you are, my guess is there is another plant which has

been used for the same purpose which is native to your area.  (And which is

very likely still available). 



Second, let's realize that commercial markets are, by and large, driven by

misunderstanding, ignorance, and greed.  Just look at what has happened in

the past two years ever since talk of "regulation" and "legitimization" of

herbal remedies and alternative medicine have gained in popularity.

Pharmaceutical companies are flocking to buy up every stick of herbal

product they can find no matter what the source to cash in on the

anticipated consequences.  There are no new eco-criminals here, just the

same old crowd ... and, I can assure you, when they talk about

"Green"-friendly, they are NOT talking ecology!



The point?  Use what you need to use... but responsibly, and in the

smallest amounts you can. Use locally farmed material first, locally

harvested (sustainably) second, if you still need to go elsewhere buy small

amounts of bulk ... and as an absolute last resort, buy commercial

formulations.  It's always nice to feel you've done your homework and found

that company XYZ (nci) has an eco-friendly "policy"... but are you really

certain they do?  Many may... many others may only know it's a nice

marketing phrase. 



My soapbox is beginning to feel a bit unstable... perhaps I've been here so

long the termites have taken up residence!  Any resposible termiticides??



Scott

carlton@mint.net



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Herbs at risk, was Labor

From: "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:34:59 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>:



> So here are my questions: are there other oxytocic herbs which could be

> effectively substituted for the cohoshes and trillium? And then, is there

> justification for continuing to buy these herbs at risk, if one is confident

> that their use will benefit people in need? Personally, I believe that

> helping a woman to avoid induced labor benefits her, the baby, her family,

> and society as a whole.

> I'd welcome your comments, and anyone else's who cares to contribute.



The lay midwives I studied with always relied on mechanical means BEFORE

taking any medicine internally.  Massage and relaxation would be the first

choices, followed by sexual relations.  Semen helps precipitate labor, as

well as does orgasm, they said "what gets the baby in, gets the baby out." 

Since labor has not begun, membranes have not been broken.  Intercourse

should not occur if the water has broken.

Still no labor?  They'd try warm compresses on the abdomen. Still no labor?

 Warm casor oil packs on the abdomen.  Still no labor?  A tablespoon of

castor oil internally was one of their last choices.  With all the effort

that went into it before, I asked one of the midwives if she ever had to

resort to using oxytocic herbs - her answer - not once in over 900

deliveries!



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs at risk, was Labor

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:01:45 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> The lay midwives I studied with always relied on mechanical means BEFORE

> taking any medicine internally.  Massage and relaxation would be the first

> choices, followed by sexual relations. 



To the view of traditional peoples, that is a bizarre and negative idea. 



The fetus at term is highly aware and should not be involved in anything so

intense as sexual intercourse.



Castor oil packs indeed work well.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs at risk, was Labor

From: October Moon <oct-moon@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:56:14 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from October Moon <oct-moon@juno.com>:



Paul,

I must disagree with you.

Intercourse for one thing is not nearly as intense as birth itself... and

the prostaglandins in the sperm do indeed soften the cervix, Orgasm

massages the baby, and relaxes the mother, which is helpful for an easier

birth.

I'm not sure which traditional people you mean.  Sex is quite safe during

most pregnancies, as long as both partners are comfortable (and no

restrictions have been placed by caregivers.)

Respectfully,

Nell



On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:01:45 -0800 p_iannone@lamg.com writes:



>To the view of traditional peoples, that is a bizarre and negative 

>idea. 

>

>The fetus at term is highly aware and should not be involved in 

>anything so

>intense as sexual intercourse.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs at risk, was Labor

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:36:00 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



The amount of herb used for a delayed labor is miniscule, and compared to

the relief offered to the woman and her baby, is well worth the effort. 

If there are alternative, especially local herbs, so much the better. 

Black cohosh is being taken as a daily tonic by many menopausal women,

and in this case the amount of herb is much larger.  



I have a local small supplier who grows black and blue cohosh, so I don't

object to using it when necessary, but I won't purchase it from

mass-market herb labels (and that includes many German companies who

import wildcrafted American black cohosh).  Trillium can be cultivated

easily in the Northeastern US- I grew it even before I knew of its herbal

value as an ornamental wildflower.  I think that sources of supply and

amount of herb needed are the essential considerations.  For a use that

has great commercial application (like echinacea for flu), I would not

promote an at-risk herb unless there were easily obtainable cultivated

sources.

  

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Herbs at risk, was Labor

From: "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:40:17 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>:



> From: p_iannone@lamg.com

> > The lay midwives I studied with always relied on mechanical means BEFORE

> > taking any medicine internally.  Massage and relaxation would be the first

> > choices, followed by sexual relations. 

> 

> To the view of traditional peoples, that is a bizarre and negative idea.  

> The fetus at term is highly aware and should not be involved in anything so

> intense as sexual intercourse.



Not always the case today, and it the real people today who are the real

clients.  

Traditionally, relations  when a woman is menstruating were/are considered

much more negative - taboo.  Also, relations were often discouraged until

the baby was weaned as that was time for the sacred mother/child bond to

develop - (and a natural birth control, child spacing technique, I might

add.)   Later in life the real mother is replaced by the metaphorical earth

mother, a relationship sadly lacking in our culture today.  I have been

told by traditional grandmothers that relations during pregnancy allowed

the man to share in the process of creation and create a bond with his

unborn child.  



However, this comes from Anishinaabe grandmothers, living in a matriarchal

society.  Women's libido often increases during pregnancy - especially

after the first trimester, and perhaps incorporating a women's natural way

is more readily done in a matriarchy.  I cannot speak to how it may be in a

traditional patriarchal society - expect perhaps the dominant western

culture we live in the states :-0 



> Castor oil packs indeed work well.



I don't believe they had castor oil packs either.  I have been told of the

practice of the man smoking kinnickinnick and blowing the smoke on the

women's belly to encourage both conception and labor, but have never worked

with that technique, and since kinnickkinnick literally translates as

"mix-mix" what herbs were smoked are not as important as the medicine of

the action itself, I believe.



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs at risk, was Labor

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:16:46 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Not always the case today, and it the real people today who are the real

> clients.  



The value of tradition in guiding innovation remains.



> Traditionally, relations  when a woman is menstruating were/are considered

> much more negative - taboo. 



Intercourse during periods is bad for a woman's health. That is the main issue

there.



>I have been

> told by traditional grandmothers that relations during pregnancy allowed

> the man to share in the process of creation and create a bond with his

> unborn child.  



Weird idea. I doubt the historicity of that. 



On a side note, there is a slight possibility of causing the death of the

mother through such practices. Introduction of a bubble of air into the uterus

due to dislodging the wax plug at the cervix is very dangerous, since the

placenta can allow that air bubble to enter the mother's bloodstream. There

have been a few deaths reported in the literature with this causation.



Last time on this off-topic thread. Contact me privately if needs be.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs at risk, was Labor

From: Lttlmama37@aol.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 02:02:36 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Lttlmama37@aol.com:



In a message dated 02/11/1999 12:18:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,

p_iannone@lamg.com writes:



> Intercourse during periods is bad for a woman's health. 



Can you tell me why that is, Paul?  Truly curious, for personal reasons.

Karen  :o)





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs at risk, was Labor

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 07:11:24 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 02:02:36 EST, Lttlmama37@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>> Intercourse during periods is bad for a woman's health. 

>

>Can you tell me why that is, Paul?  Truly curious, for personal reasons.



Reverse peristalsis in your tubes (like during or after intercourse) during

menses (when you have uterine tissue floating around) might lead to

endometriosis.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs at risk, was Labor

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:33:00 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Reverse peristalsis in your tubes (like during or after intercourse) during

> menses (when you have uterine tissue floating around) might lead to

> endometriosis.

> 

> Henriette



Why, thank you, Henriette. I can only add at this is a time for the

MOBILIZATION AND DOWNWARD EXCRETION of liver and heart accumulations.

Intercourse counters that natural flow, being itself an INWARD movement of

energy (for women----last time I checked.  :-)).



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs at risk, was Labor

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:37:39 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



I'm having keyboard problems:



> Why, thank you, Henriette. I can only add [th]at this is a time for the

> MOBILIZATION AND DOWNWARD EXCRETION of liver and heart accumulations.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs at risk, was Labor

From: Kevin Chisholm <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:10:40 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Kevin Chisholm <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>:



At 09:33 AM 13/02/99 -0800, p_iannone@lamg.com wrote:

...del...

>Why, thank you, Henriette. I can only add at this is a time for the

>MOBILIZATION AND DOWNWARD EXCRETION of liver and heart accumulations.

>Intercourse counters that natural flow, being itself an INWARD movement of

>energy (for women----last time I checked.  :-)).



Would it not be correct to observe that the inward and outward movements

are exactly equal and balanced, so that there would be no net effect either

way? If inward movement counters natural flow, then the outward movement

should help it. 



Kevin







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Labyrinthitis

From: "linda semple" <lindasemple@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:00:19 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from "linda semple" <lindasemple@hotmail.com>:



I'm continually amazed and impressed by the wealth of herbal knowledge 

displayed on this list...and you all seem like great people as well!



A colleague has been diagnosed with labyrinthitis (didn't someone ask 

about this last year???) and is being treated only with anti-nausea 

drugs. It's probably the viral form (but the GP is not yet sure...)



any suggestions?



many thanks





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Department of Public Health

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Labyrinthitis

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 12:08:29 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> A colleague has been diagnosed with labyrinthitis (didn't someone ask 

> about this last year???) and is being treated only with anti-nausea 

> drugs. It's probably the viral form (but the GP is not yet sure...)



Liver and gallbladder reduction (includes cleansing, detoxing, etc.). Such

illnesses are almost always accompanied by shoulder tension and irritability,

and by high-stress lifestyles with history of significant caffeine and

stimulant drug use.



Sedation with kava kava, for instance, might be quite effective. A tea made

from kudzu (available in Japanese sections of grocery stores) mixed with a bit

of peppermint for flavor would be pretty good therapy. And, of course, real

lifestyle reorientation.



Paul





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: PMS was RE: Insomnia

From: "Janina Srensen" <janinaherb@bigfoot.com>

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:35:16 +0100

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To herb@MyList.net from "Janina Srensen" <janinaherb@bigfoot.com>:





-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----

Von: Deatherage, Geralyn <GDeather@regalusa.com>

An: 'Herb List' <herb@MyList.net>

Datum: 9. februar 1999 19:11

Betreff: PMS was RE: Insomnia





>To herb@MyList.net from "Deatherage, Geralyn"

<GDeather@regalusa.com>:

>

>Which herbs are good for calming down serious PMS?

>

One of the best is Vitex agnus castus (chastetree). There are

tinctures available made of the ripe fruits (seeds).

There is a lot of scientific evidence. Compounds in chastetree bind to

progesterone receptors, and as such the drug has a hormone balancing

action. The tincture works wonders in PMS and menopausal problems, as

well as in diseases related to estrogen domination. So also a good

prophylactic. No side effects, easy to take and dose. Dosage about

20-40 drops (up to 1ml/day). However, has to be taken continously for

some time before any effect is noticed.

I have prescribed it in many cases with absolute success, also for

normalising periods and other hormonal disorders.

Absolute recommended!!  Good luck

Janina









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: PMS was RE: Insomnia

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:03:35 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Which herbs are good for calming down serious PMS?  



Start with the no-coffee herb.  :-)



Then move on to the 'no-sweets with meals' herb.



And finish up with the 'I've gotta relax sometime!' herb.



These three work pretty good.



And there's always peppermint.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Kava Kava

From: Carrie9557@aol.com

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:28:22 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Carrie9557@aol.com:



I see so much reference to Kava Kava.  I tried taking it last year but it made

me VERY nasty and grumpy.   Couldn't even stand to be around myself.  Is this

a common side effect?  Has anyone experienced this?

Carrie

Carrie9557@aol.com





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: Kava Kava

From: "Don Powell" <d.powell@prelude.com>

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:07:42 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Don Powell" <d.powell@prelude.com>:



I don't know that Kava Kava is exactly an herb (and therefore should be

discussed) but here goes...



I take it occasionally but instead of the euphoric sense it is supposed to

give, I only get a relaxed sense.  It is an excellent sleeping herb to me.

From that I would have to assume that the effects vary pretty significantly

between users.



I'm sorry it affects you that way.



>

> I see so much reference to Kava Kava.  I tried taking it last

> year but it made

> me VERY nasty and grumpy.   Couldn't even stand to be around

> myself.  Is this

> a common side effect?  Has anyone experienced this?

> Carrie

> Carrie9557@aol.com

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kava Kava

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:56:10 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I see so much reference to Kava Kava.  I tried taking it last year

> but it made me VERY nasty and grumpy.   Couldn't even stand to be

> around myself.  Is this a common side effect?  Has anyone experienced this?



It is a warming herbal, so it may not be good for liver complaints. I mentioned

it in a post this morning, but actually I should have suggested skullcap.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: peppermint coldness

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 18:17:07 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I have a question.  I find that when I drink several cups of peppermint tea

> (say 4 in a morning or evening, when I have a cold coming on, or feel

> congested a bit)



A rundown, damp feeling should not be treated with peppermint.



>my throat and lungs seem to "burn" a bit.  



Cold can burn just like heat. Peppermint is a cooling herb.



>I'm not

> quite sure that is the description I want to use...but, all the

> same, why would I have this symptom?  It is not painful, just a

> little uncomfortable & annoying; and inevitably, I quit drinking the

> tea.  Any thoughts on this?  



Such discomforts suggest that actually you are trying to stave off a COLD

complaint with a cold herb. It doesn't work that way. 



If you have a tendency to cold complaints, then you need more rest, better

nutrition, and daily exercise, and NO CAFFEINE. Chinese ginseng is often the

plant of choice for such complaints, or a formula like Yu Ping Feng San

(literally, Jade Windscreen Powder) if tiredness isn't a factor. 



Eating greasy foods, especially eggs and beef, and/or consuming garlic, can

boost the defense qi.



I recommend you try taking garlic capsules when you feel that rundown feeling.

They are very effective for COLD-TYPE depletion URI's (upper respiratory

infections), especially boosted by echinacea.



Paul





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To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Herbs at risk, was Labor, and is labor again

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:34:14 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:





>> The lay midwives I studied with always relied on mechanical means BEFORE

>> taking any medicine internally.  Massage and relaxation would be the

first

>> choices, followed by sexual relations.

>

>To the view of traditional peoples, that is a bizarre and negative idea.



Can you speak for ALL traditional peoples when you say this?



>The fetus at term is highly aware and should not be involved in anything so

>intense as sexual intercourse.



Sexual intercourse is not ALWAYS intense...it can be nice and easy and slow

and rhythmic and produce the desired effect.  I know this. And I know that

my son, who, a month over due, came out this way (no details on list ,

though), with a relatively easy, comfortable and very quick birth, has

always been a warm, sensitive and sensual person....no traumas there.



My other son, 2 weeks overdue did not experience that...my midwife gave me

thick blue cohosh tea...he is the distant one who does not want to be

touched, a long hard birth.



Anecdotal, here, I know, but from very personal experience  My body, from

northern European, part Sami blood, responded well to this when nothing else

seemed to work.



>Castor oil packs indeed work well.



Could be...never heard them used this way though...my midwife wanted me to

drink the stuff..ugh.



Joanie











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herbs, Acupuncture and Uterine Fibroids

From: "Kristine J. Makl" <kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu>

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:49:02 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Kristine J. Makl" <kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu>:



Hello everyone,



I am enjoying this list immensely, what a wealth of information.  Thank you

to everyone who shares their expertise.



I have uterine fibroids and was diagnosed with them three months ago.  I

went to see my family practice physician because I was having pains in my

lower right abdomen.  I was concerned that I was having a problem with my

ovary.   My uterus was  enlarged so I had an ultrasound and they found

several fibroids, the largest being 7cm x 5cm.  I was told I should have a

hysterectomy and they referred me to an OB/GYN.  Fortunately for me he was

not one of these doctors who would have told me that because I'm 45 and not

wanting any more children that I didn't need certain parts of my body any

more so let's take them out.  He wasn't overly concerned and took a wait

and see attitude.  I go back to him tomorrow to see if they have grown or

my discomfort has increased.



Anyway, since my initial diagnosis I have been doing lots of reading and

exploring other options.  I have a very dear friend who goes to an

acupunturist and mentioned to her my problem.  He was told by this

acupunturist that she has treated many woman with fibroids successfully.

So I called around to quite a few acupunturists and was told pretty much

the same thing.  That acupuncture along with herbal treatment can and will

shrink my fibroids and help balance my system.  I have a sneaking suspicion

I'm going into menapause....BAD mood swings...YIKES!



I was told by my OB/GYN that fibroids are fed by the estrogen in your body

and that when a woman goes into menapause the fibroids would shink (do to

lack of estrogen production or less production).  This is also what I hear

from other sources.  I talked to my friends acupunturist the other day and

we talked about what I was looking for and what she could do for me.  She

says that she can reduce the size of my fibroids and/or get rid of them all

together.  That it could be done with just herbs or herbs and acupuncture.

With just herbs the process would be slower.  One thing she did tell me

that I had not heard before was that she has seen woman with fibroids who

got them after being in menapause for several years.  I found that very

interesting.



I won't have surgery, not unless it would be life threatening.  So, I have

made an appointment with this acupunturist and only time will tell.  Even

if my fibroids don't shink it sure would be nice to be in balance a bit

more than I am now.  What the heck, it can't hurt....right?



I would like to know if anyone on this list has any knowledge or experience

with treating uterine fibroids.  Do you know anyone who has been

successfully treated or have you successfully treated anyone with fibroids?

I guess what I'm looking for are testimonials, advice,

suggestions....anything.



Do any of you know if there is an acupunture list like this e-mail list?



Thanks so much

Kris

kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs, Acupuncture and Uterine Fibroids

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:16:33 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I would like to know if anyone on this list has any knowledge or experience

> with treating uterine fibroids.  Do you know anyone who has been

> successfully treated or have you successfully treated anyone with fibroids?



Uterine fibroids are easily treated, compared to endometriosis, for instance.

Softening herbs, blood activating herbs, and qi circulating herbs are all used

in such treatments. Harmonizing the entire health pattern is also important.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs, Acupuncture and Uterine Fibroids

From: miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:05:40 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>:







p_iannone@lamg.com wrote:



> Uterine fibroids are easily treated, compared to endometriosis, for instance.

> Softening herbs, blood activating herbs, and qi circulating herbs are all used

> in such treatments. Harmonizing the entire health pattern is also important.

>



I would like to add a testimonial to the above: several women I know have

significantly shrunk fibroids or made them disappear  with 3 cups of shepherd's

purse tea daily and hot castor oil packs at night. (Oy, castor oil again....)



Miriam Kresh

miriam_k@netvision.net.il







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Herbs, Acupuncture and Uterine Fibroids

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:39:44 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>

>I would like to know if anyone on this list has any knowledge or experience

>with treating uterine fibroids.  Do you know anyone who has been

>successfully treated or have you successfully treated anyone with fibroids?

>I guess what I'm looking for are testimonials, advice,

>suggestions....anything.





Yes.  My good friend Shiela eliminated her fibroids with Chinese herbal

remedies.  She also had non-malignant tumors which also disappeared.

However, she said the remedy was vile tasting and included something like

squirrel excrement.  But she happily drank it and watched the doctor's

amazement as they shrank and went away.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs, Acupuncture and Uterine Fibroids

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:40:45 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> However, she said the remedy was vile tasting and included something like

> squirrel excrement.



Flying squirrel, a marsupial, I believe.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: menopause and allergies

From: Diana Vogel <diana_vogel@yahoo.com>

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:59:04 -0800 (PST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Diana Vogel <diana_vogel@yahoo.com>:



Hi, I just joined and am blown away by the amount of talk on my e-mail

in just three days! Am looking for some info on herbs for menopause

and excessive bleeding  ( Ihave a friend who will not take hormones or

hormonelike substances), and also some remedies for allergies

(sinus-type), which are driving me nuts! HELP!



Appreciate any remedies that you(or friends have actually tried, and

really seem to work)



Thanks!

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: menopause and allergies

From: "Janina Srensen" <janinaherb@bigfoot.com>

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:06:41 +0100

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To herb@MyList.net from "Janina Srensen" <janinaherb@bigfoot.com>:





-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----

Von: Diana Vogel <diana_vogel@yahoo.com>

An: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Datum: 11. februar 1999 01:02

Betreff: menopause and allergies





>To herb@MyList.net from Diana Vogel <diana_vogel@yahoo.com>:

>

>Hi there,

For menopausal problems and excessive/ irregular etc. bleeding, Vitex

agnus castus works wonders. Tincture of the ripe fuits, ca 20 drops a

day, before breakfast in some water. See also my mail of 9 Feb.



Generally, Vitex is the herb per se for women.

V. agnus castus has gained a rising interest among pharmacologists and

scientists in the last decade, mainly because of its capability to

balance especially the female hormone system. Since these hormones,

estrogen and progesterone, have proven to play a key role in a number

of female diseases ranging from Pre-Menstrual Syndrome (PMS) and

menopausal problems over osteoporosis to such serious diseases as

breast and endometrial cancer, this interest is relevant. Unopposed

estrogen is believed to be a major factor in all these conditions, as

numerous studies indicate. Vitex agnus castus extracts have shown to

balance the hormonal household in a quite efficient way, acting

selectively on the progesterone receptors. Correlating the hormonal

activity of Vitex agnus castus seeds to the recent advances in

identifying the role of the sex hormones in human health, it becomes

evident, that this drug, with its progesterone like activity along

with its specific action inhibiting Prolactin release is of importance

for female health.

Apart from the scientific evidence, it also works in real life and has

helped many women. However, it has to be taken regularly for some

time. Since the effect is not just a progesterone-like, but more a

balancing one, you can take it full time. You'll be able to notice the

full effect around your second cycle after starting the medication. No

side effects. Also a balanced hormone level is prophylactic for

hormone-related diseases like breast and endometrial cancer and

osteoporosis.

















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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: ...was Labor, and is labor again

From: miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:19:47 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>:







Joanie MacPhee wrote:



> >Castor oil packs indeed work well.

>

> Could be...never heard them used this way though...my midwife wanted me to

> drink the stuff..ugh.

>



Castor oil, taken in orange juice, is tolerable. What it does, of course, is

provoke peristalsis, which hopefully would mechanically stimulate the ripe

uterus to start contracting also. In addition, the energy in the whole pelvic

area flows easier. I don't know what standard hospital practice is in the States

with regard to enemas at the the start of labor, but I encourage my clients to

arrive at hospital with an empty bowel, achieved comfortably at home (if

possible) in order to avoid that particular unpleasant intervention.



With regard to intercourse at term, Jewish sources say that as long as there is

no medical contraindication, it's good for the baby. I don't know the deeper

meaning of this, but I know that when mother is happy and relaxed, baby feels

happy too.



Miriam Kresh

miriam_k@netvision.net.il







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To: Roseb44170@aol.com, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Epsom Salts

From: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>

Date: 11 Feb 99 02:06:30 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>:



Hi there,

Epsom salts are good for relaxing the muscles, and for taking temporarily pain away from the feet or the body when soaking in it. But read instructions, as some people can get an allergic reaction to epsom salts.

I use them on my husbands feet. He is paralyzed, and it helps some of the pain subside in his feet.

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: epsom salts

From: Roseb44170@aol.com

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:27:48 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Roseb44170@aol.com:



In a message dated 1/26/1999 9:28:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, oct-

moon@JUNO.COM writes:



<< Can someone explain why  epsom salts & baking soda are

  recommended  (in a bath...) after xrays, etc??

 off list if need be~~

 Thanks

 Nell >>



Personally I do use the baking soda in my baths.  It makes the water softer

and I'm sure that there's some medically beneficial use for it - I just don't

know what it is.  





Rose

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        "Herb info List" <herbinfo@alist4u.net>,

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        "Medicinal Herb List" <herb@MyList.net>,

        "Natural Remedies List" <natural@MailingList.net>

Subject: Lavender varieties

From: "Ian Caldicott" <ian@lavenderfarms.com>

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:15:51 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Ian Caldicott" <ian@lavenderfarms.com>:



Hello all,

	I am finally able to find some time to get back to building my US lavender

database so I have a request.  AS many of you probably already know I am

trying to put together an updated list of all the lavender varieties

currently under cultivation in the US.  As Part of the endeavor I would like

to be able to indicate which states they are being successfully grown in.

So if you are growing lavender I would appreciate hearing from you (by

private e-mail so we don't tie up the list) concerning which varieties you

have, where you are and where you obtained your plants.  As soon as I have

the information organized in a reasonable manner I will make it available to

everyone over the web.



Thanks

Ian Caldicott

Ian@lavenerfarms.com

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: Menopause and allergies

From: "Claudia M. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionistclm@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:39:57 PST

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To herb@MyList.net from "Claudia M. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionistclm@hotmail.com>:



Hi, Diana



>Am looking for some info on herbs for

>menopause and excessive bleeding  



I had a friend who complained of this for a few

years and finally came to me for a consult, as part

of her herb program she's taking Blue Cohosh which

is supposed to be helpful to the uterus, reduce

inflammation, etc.  After a few months of this I 

just heard from her and she is doing better than she

has in years.  I am sure the Blue Cohosh is helping,

but it is part of a program that is focusing on 

other areas too, so I'm sure it's all working together

for her benefit.  As for menopause, there are many

helpful herbs as well as vitamins, minerals and good

nutrition.  I've been using a progesterone cream and

have found great relief in the moods and lack of

energy since starting it - Wild Yam cream is not enough,

at least for me it wasn't, needs to have some natural

progesterone in it as well (hope that's okay to talk

about on the list).



>and also some remedies for allergies

>(sinus-type), which are driving me nuts! 



Mullien, Fenugreek, Fennel, Horseradish and Boneset

combination has helped me a lot.  Also recently purchased

a air purifer - we have pet ferrets and I'm not the

best house cleaner <g> - dust, mold etc. due to living

on a lake in a log cabin surrounded by trees, etc. The

air purifier has made our home a bit of a refuge for me:-)

Also irrigation with a neti pot may be helpful.

 

Have a great day!



Claudia Meydrech, LCN

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: methylprednisilone and chemotherapy

From: bboland <bboland@best.com>

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:51:40 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from bboland <bboland@best.com>:



I am a long-term(18 months) prednisone user, with two hospitalizations, 

etc. with an illness called Churg-Strauss Syndrome.  The disorder is rare

and is characterized by asthma-like symptoms, rash, pulmonary infiltrates, 

peripheral neuropathy, paralysis, and a  list of secondary disorders(heart and

lung principally).  It is classified as a systemic necrotizing vasculitis, 

and is notable for inflammation of the small and medium blood vessels, 

particularly in heart and lung.



I am currently diagnosed with Cushing's disease(secondary to pred)

Pulmonary Hypertension (secondary to Churg) and asthma/Chronic Obstructive

Pulmonary Disorder.



Principle pred side effects:  obesity, cataracts, hump.



The current western treatment plan is to slowly decrease use of steroids

by the use of methotrexate. I have concluded that western pharmacology

has gone about as far as it can with this.



My questions are:



Is there a combination of herbs, and or other treatments

that can offset the side effects of methylprednisilone?



What might revitalize or kick start the Hypothalmic-Pituitary-Adrenal

axis?



What combination of herbs (bearing in mind that this is an inflammatory

disease) might support a depleted immune system?



What combinations might work as systemic anti-inflammatories?



Lastly, if there are papers or citations that support this I would be 

interested in reading them.



Cordially, 



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: methylprednisilone and chemotherapy

From: "Gail Freeman" <freeman@sktc.net>

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 05:17:06 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Gail Freeman" <freeman@sktc.net>:



I also have Cushing's Syndrome from having been given too many steroids (to

treat migraines).  This past Tuesday I had a cataract removed that is a

result of the steroids, also, according to the opthalmologist.  I've been

steroid-free since the end of September, but find that the effects of the

steroids just go on and on.  Good luck.



Gail



>I am currently diagnosed with Cushing's disease(secondary to pred)

>Pulmonary Hypertension (secondary to Churg) and asthma/Chronic Obstructive

>Pulmonary Disorder.

>

>Principle pred side effects:  obesity, cataracts, hump.









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: methylprednisilone and chemotherapy

From: bboland <bboland@best.com>

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:11:23 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from bboland <bboland@best.com>:



Thank you Gail, but is there anything anyone can add other than good luck?

This is most depressing.  If there is nothing in the western or chinese

formulary, tell me.

Barry Boland





At 04:37 AM 2/12/99 -0700, you wrote:

>From: "Gail Freeman" <freeman@sktc.net>



>I also have Cushing's Syndrome from having been given too many steroids (to

>treat migraines).  This past Tuesday I had a cataract removed that is a

>result of the steroids, also, according to the opthalmologist.  I've been

>steroid-free since the end of September, but find that the effects of the

>steroids just go on and on.  Good luck.







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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: enemas

From: "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:43:22 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>:



Does any one have thoughts or experience they'd be willing to share about

using mild herbal enemas as a means of administering herbs (such as catnip

enema to reduce fever) to children?  



Some one asked me a question about safety factors which has led to several

discussions, about when to use them, what age (or size)  limits, personal

space, and given the potential for abuse, if they should even be

recommended.   Not looking for answers, just discussion, any input would be

appreciated, and Thank you in advance.

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: enemas

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:47:37 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>Does any one have thoughts or experience they'd be willing to share about

>using mild herbal enemas as a means of administering herbs (such as catnip

>enema to reduce fever) to children?





If the child is too sick to take an herb, this is one way of administering

the herb.  I would not do it except in extreme cases.  A childs fever may be

reduced by simply bathing in lukewarm peppermint tea or soaking the feet in

same.  If you choose to use enema, make sure you know what you are doing.

Use the proper equipment and proper amounts of liquids.  Make sure it is not

too hot.  Using catnip enemas can sometimes relieve severe colic.  But it's

not the only way.  However, remember that overuse of enemas can cause

dependence on assistance in elimination.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: enemas

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:20:21 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Enemas or boluses can be profound ways of dosing, and will stimulate

peristalysis as well which is often, but not always useful.  I remember

that when I lived in Italy many years ago, allopathic medicines were

delivered by bolus (suppository).  But they may be too strong for many

children and an unwelcome bodily invasion.



The skin is very permeable, especially if scrubbed with a washcloth

(adults can use a dry natural bristle backbrush).  A lemon balm bath is

certainly a more pleasant way to administer an antiviral, fever-reducing

herb than either an internal shot of echinacea or an enema of anything. 

How would you prefer to be treated?



Karen Vaughan

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>>Does any one have thoughts or experience they'd be willing to share

about

>>using mild herbal enemas as a means of administering herbs (such as

catnip

>>enema to reduce fever) to children?



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: enemas

From: Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:29:22 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>:



Anita Hales wrote:

> 

> However, remember that overuse of enemas can cause

> dependence on assistance in elimination.



Have you ever witnessed someone coming dependant on assistance in

elimination due to "overuse" of enemas? How many enemas would you say is

overuse?

   I have only what I have read. One book (about fasting) said that the

above statement is a common belief and total nonsense. Who am I to

believe? Comments, anyone? (I can find the book for you if you like, but

I seem to recall it was written by a Finnishman so the most of you

wouldn't probably understand a word of the language.)



-Miikkali





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: enemas

From: frisius@javanet.com

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:56:25 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from frisius@javanet.com:



>Have you ever witnessed someone coming dependant on assistance in

>elimination due to "overuse" of enemas? How many enemas would you say is overuse?



I used to take in people as foster friends. One woman had given herself 

a daily enema for several years and was no longer able to have normal 

elimination. In fact, she came to me from a facility where she did not 

feel comfortable giving herself an enema and had not been able to go for 

over a week. 



Her doctor told me that she was unable to have normal elimination 

because her large intestines no longer functioned as they should because 

of the number of enemas she had had. I guess it's "use it or lose it."



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Subject: Herb-Skin Bleaching

From: Skye984810@aol.com

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:46:31 EST

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Hello All, 

	Can anyone offer any herbal alternatives for bleaching darkened skin over the

mouth area. I am aware that many dermatological prescription lightening creams

have many side effects.I hope someone can help.

Thanks, Tracey





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Subject: Re: Herb-Skin Bleaching

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:10:18 -0800

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>  Can anyone offer any herbal alternatives for bleaching darkened

> skin over the mouth area.



Darkened WHY?



The upper lip is directly associated with the colon by its acupuncture channel.

Do you suffer from constipation?



Paul





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Subject: Re: Herb-Skin Bleaching

From: C C <chessiecat@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 11:20:28 -0500

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What are dark circles under the eyes associated with, Paul?--Alice



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Subject: Re: Herb-Skin Bleaching

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:08:01 -0800

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> What are dark circles under the eyes associated with, Paul?--Alice



Weak digestion. The stomach channel ends at the point just below the eye, on

the orbit (people usually say, kidney, but that is a misunderstanding).



Paul





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Subject: Re: Herb-Skin Bleaching

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:03:05 -0500

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Paul-



How about an infant (totally breastfed) with circles under the eyes?  Is

this a constitutional digestive weakness?  What will help it?



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On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:08:01 -0800 p_iannone@lamg.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:

>

>> What are dark circles under the eyes associated with, Paul?--Alice

>

>Weak digestion. The stomach channel ends at the point just below the 

>eye, on the orbit (people usually say, kidney, but that is a 

>misunderstanding).

>

>Paul

>



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Subject: Re: Herb-Skin Bleaching

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:48:47 -0700 (MST)

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> Wow, how interesting. I can see that weak digestion could be the problem.

> So how does one improve weak digestion? Are there herbs for this? Be gentle

> here, I'm herbally challenged.

> Thank you, Marie



Thanks for reminding me. 



Weak digestion is best corrected through proper diet. The fundamental rules of

proper diet for someone with weak digestion are:



1. Don't skip or delay meals.

2. Don't consume fruit, fruit juice, or iced foods.

3. Don't consume sweets within an hour of meals.

4. Eat warm food.



That should help. In cases where the weak digestion is due to weak or

disharmonized organs and not merely deficient lifestyle, herbal therapy is

appropriate.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herb-Skin Bleaching

From: Marie Bell <marieb@estipro.com>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:15:54 -0800

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On Tue, Feb 16, 1999,  <p_iannone@lamg.com> wrote:



>Weak digestion is best corrected through proper diet. The fundamental

rules of

>proper diet for someone with weak digestion are:

>

>1. Don't skip or delay meals.

>2. Don't consume fruit, fruit juice, or iced foods.

>3. Don't consume sweets within an hour of meals.

>4. Eat warm food.

>

>That should help. In cases where the weak digestion is due to weak or

>disharmonized organs and not merely deficient lifestyle, herbal therapy is

>appropriate.



Thank you, I will make these suggestions to my friend. How does one know

if the organs are weak and disharmonized and in need of herbal therapy?

Marie







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Eye Question

From: "John J Macuga" <macugajr@gte.net>

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:37:32 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "John J Macuga" <macugajr@gte.net>:



I need help!  Just got back from the Ophthalmologist and was told that I

have BLEPHARITIS (crust develops on the eyelids due to over secretion of

oils etc.)



My eyes are constantly irritated and Red. I have to wash the eye lids

several times a day, and was told to use Johnson's Baby Soap.



My Question is..... Can anyone recommend a good herbal cleanser for the eyes

and a good rinse as well as Teas. (really three questions).



TIA



John









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To: p_iannone@lamg.com, herb@MyList.net

Subject: re: Re: Eye Question

From: "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>

Date: 12 Feb 99 21:42:35 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Jeremy and Sheila Hall" <life101@sterlink.net>:



Why don't you clear away the heat causing this condition, before you fry your

internal organs further?



Paul





Can I say something? My brother in law has downs syndrome. This particular thing, BLEPHARITIS, is very common to those with downs syndrome. There are some treatments for it, but its not something that is caused by unhealthy living. As the person stated, its due to over secretion of oils. Its extremely painful. Mom uses eye drops for his eyes to take away the stinging..... My brother in law is 16 years old. He lives at home, and doesnt go anywhere, or eat anything unhealthy. Before "Paul" makes grande statements like the one below ......should really think before he speaks. This isnt meant to get anyone up in airs. Just that I have seen the condition first hand. Its not pleasant. I will check into this and see what my mom in law uses for this.

Sheila

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>To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I need help!  Just got back from the Ophthalmologist and was told that I

> have BLEPHARITIS (crust develops on the eyelids due to over secretion of

> oils etc.)







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Eye Question

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:10:58 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I need help!  Just got back from the Ophthalmologist and was told that I

> have BLEPHARITIS (crust develops on the eyelids due to over secretion of

> oils etc.)



Why don't you clear away the heat causing this condition, before you fry your

internal organs further?



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Eye Question

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:36:32 -0800

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> Can I say something? My brother in law has downs syndrome. This

> particular thing, BLEPHARITIS, is very common to those with downs

> syndrome. 



Such illnesses are due to multiple causes, of course. However, the actual

condition, even in those cases, is due to heat.



>There are some treatments for it, but its not something

> that is caused by unhealthy living. 



Correct. People with preexisting health patterns can have heat from internal

disharmonies unrelated to unhealthy lifestyle.



>As the person stated, its due to

> over secretion of oils. 



No, it isn't 'due' to that, just as the sunrise isn't 'due' to sun moving

around the earth. It has that causal link, but the cause of the hypersecretion?

Hmmm. The 'due' isn't 'due' to the root of the illness, a standard shell game

among conventional doctors.



>Its extremely painful. Mom uses eye drops

> for his eyes to take away the stinging..... My brother in law is 16

> years old. He lives at home, and doesnt go anywhere, or eat anything

> unhealthy. Before "Paul" makes grande statements like the one below

> ......should really think before he speaks. 



I do think before I speak, and I don't believe I was referring to a Down's

syndrome person when I made the comment. So you can get off your high horse.



>This isnt meant to get

> anyone up  in airs. Just that I have seen the condition first hand.

> Its not pleasant. I will check into this and see what my mom in law

> uses for this.

> Sheila



Sure, the world is full of tragedies. Healers know this well, I guarantee you.

It is also full of sufferings caused by misbehaviors, and rather than recommend

a topical remedy that doesn't cure the complaint, I was pointing to underlying

issues. That is appropriate, even if it set off your particular case alarm

bell.



Paul







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Subject: Re: Eye Question

From: awilloby@enternet.co.nz

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:11:49 -0800

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Hi John



> My eyes are constantly irritated and Red. I have to wash the eye lids

> several times a day, and was told to use Johnson's Baby Soap.

> 

> My Question is..... Can anyone recommend a good herbal cleanser for the eyes

> and a good rinse as well as Teas. (really three questions).

I find that bathing my eyes with chamomile tea is very soothing and 

clears up conjunctivitis and other minor ete complaints - it may be 

helpful.



Cheers



Alan



Alan Willoughby

PO Box 296, Tauranga, New Zealand

Phone/fax 64 7 5443087





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Subject: Re: Eye Question

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 08:48:43 -0500

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Be careful using herbal eyewashes.  Triple filter them and use them fresh

so bacteria won't build up.



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: RE: Eye Question 

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:34:11 -0500

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John,



>I need help!  Just got back from the Ophthalmologist and was told that I

>have BLEPHARITIS (crust develops on the eyelids due to over secretion of

>oils etc.)



>My eyes are constantly irritated and Red. I have to wash the eye lids

>several times a day, and was told to use Johnson's Baby Soap.



>My Question is..... Can anyone recommend a good herbal cleanser for the

eyes

>and a good rinse as well as Teas. (really three questions).



Dr. Christopher's herbal eye wash formula contains equal amounts of

Eyebright, Golden Seal, Bayberry & Red Raspberry Leaves and 1/8 as much

Cayenne.  It would serve all three purposes you require.  It does sting a

bit, but not as much as one would suppose.  Also, the instructions suggest

making the tea with only 1/4 tsp. per cup of water (cooled infusion) to

start and working up to a full teaspoon as you become accustomed to it.  It

is available under the name of Herbal Eyebright Tea from Christopher

Enterprises (nic) 800-453-1406 http://www.drchristopher.com



I used the tea for about 2 months straight and had a dramatic improvement in

the speed with which my eyes would focus.  Also, my eyesight was largely

restored to normal.  I washed my eyes (using a glass eyecup) twice a day.

That used up about 1/2 of the cup of tea and I drank the rest.  This way you

get both the internal & external benefits of the herbs.  Make a fresh cup

each day.



The Eyebright is nourishing to, and dilates, the capillaries of the eye for

greater circulation and thus more oxygen and nutrients available to the eyes

thru the blood stream.  Golden Seal and Bayberry are antimicrobial and

astringent.  Since microbes are opportunistic, they tend to take advantage

of excess secretions and may, therefore, be a contributory factor to your

discomfort.  Red Raspberry Leaves are nourishing cell builders.  Cayenne is

antimicrobial, astringent and increases circulation.



Although the body sometimes responds to astringents by increasing oil

production, I doubt that this will happen.  The nourishing herbs and the

increased internal cleansing provided through the increased, localized blood

circulation should offset this tendency.  You, of course, will have to be

the judge.



If you do elect to try this eye wash, let me give you a few pointers to

minimize the "sting" of the cayenne.  First, I want to assure you that it is

perfectly safe to your eyes and the increased circulation it provides is

very beneficial.  I personally have experimented with increasing the amount

of cayenne up to 8 times that called for in the formula.  Although this

stung quite a bit more, it also was quite safe; but did not seem to provide

any added benefits.   Second, most of the stinging occurs on the narrow

strip of skin surrounding the eye, not the eyeball itself.  It seems to be

increased if excess air is allowed inside the eyecup.  Third, the worst

discomfort could occur when you first take the eyecup away from your eye.

To prevent this, keep the eye close for several minutes; your vision would

be blurry at this point anyway.  Rinse the closed eye briefly, by splashing

it with cool water.  Blot dry with a towel and hold the towel over your

closed eye.  After a couple of minutes, you can begin blinking the eye;

letting it become reaccustomed to the light and air.  Fourth, since you will

be unable to "see" normally during the above procedure, allow yourself

enough distraction free time to do the wash properly.



Many people have been able to return to weaker prescription lenses and

reduce or eliminate cataracts by using this formula for an extended period

of time.  You may see lots of that white stuff (the stuff that is usually in

the corner of the eyes upon waking).  It may even contain black specks.  I

was told that this was toxins being drawn out by the astringent herbs and

the increased circulation.  It only occurs during the first few weeks of

use, and presumably allows for a return to better capillary capacity.  I

have used the formula to prevent the need for glasses due to age related

diminished vision.  I highly recommend it's use, but it does take a

motivated person.



Marie Winston

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: astragalus question

From: User276055@aol.com

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:26:18 EST

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Is astragalus an herb or a vegetable?   I have read that it has immune

enhancing properties and it is used in TCM. What part of the plant is

beneficial?



Thanks, I appreciate the comments and answers that I read here. This is a

great list!

Best regards,

Pat Constantine

user276055@aol.com





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Subject: Re: astragalus question

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 08:43:10 -0500

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>Is astragalus an herb or a vegetable? 



Herbs do tend to be vegetable ;-)   The root of the Astragalus

membranaceous plant is used.  Traditionally it is sliced and pressed

flat.  It can be purchased in 10 ounce boxes in Chinese grocery stores

for around $7.00, although most of those have been sulfer treated to

preserve them and are white in color.  It must be boiled for at least 20

minutes to release its immune-stimulating constituents.  It is

traditionally cooked in soups, but can also be added to rice, pasta,

teas, cooked oatmeal or other foods since it has very little taste

(slightly sweet, but harmonius and not obtrusive).  

Karen Vaughan



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Subject: Re: astragalus question

From: "natural" <natural@wt.net>

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 08:52:40 -0600

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Quick follow-up to my previous post.  The information I posted came from

Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute at http://www.rmhiherbal.org/index.html.

RMHI has a good TCM data base on line.



Rosie

>

>Pat:  the following should answer your questions and it is the root that is

>used,









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: astragalus question

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:32:42 -0800

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> Main function: TONIFY QI

> Thermal qual.: slightly warm

> Taste: sweet

> Merid./Organ domain: Sp, Lu



'Tonification' is poor terminology. Look up tonus in the dictionary.

'Meridian' is poor terminology. The energy channels of the body don't run in

straight lines from bottom to top, as any look at an acupuncture chart will

show.

 

> Functions:

> - Tonifies the Spleen and tonifies Qi and Blood.



Doesn't nourish blood itself.



> - Raises the Yang Qi of Spleen; used in sinking of Qi syndrome (prolapse of

> abdominal organs).



Why 'yang' qi? There is no 'yin' qi. False distinction.



> - Strengthens protective Qi and stops sweating; may be used to help regulate

> sweating; used for excessive sweating of Deficiency of Qi, of Yang, or of

> Yin, 



Astragalus is not used to commonly stop yin-deficient sweating.



>or for inadequate sweating of Exterior syndromes depending upon other

> herbs with which it is combined.



These references are to the use of qi boosting herbs to balance qi losses from

sweating. This is a misleading way of presenting such an idea.



> - Promotes urination and relieves edema due to Deficiency of Qi or Yang.



Boosts qi so that the water can flow.



> - Promotes pus discharge and accelerates healing of wounds and sores; used

> for chronic sores that have not drained well.



Promotes the qi. Mixing clinical information with herb analysis is misleading. 



> Cautions:

> - Contraindicated in Deficiency of Yin with Heat. Contraindicated in Excess

> Heat.



Such contraindications are not specific to astragalus, which in fact can be

used in these conditions, in proper formulas.



Paul





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: astragalus question

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:39:11 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



  It must be boiled for at least 20

>minutes to release its immune-stimulating constituents.



In light of this and other herbs that seem to require preparation to release

constituents, I question the value of using some herbs in encapsulated form.

I wonder if you are getting all you pay for and expect when you buy a bottle

of capsules.  I really prefer the old fasioned way really.  Does anyone else

have thoughts on this?







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: astragalus question

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:12:43 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



I know in some of the encapsulated astragalus preparations, the substance

encapsulated is the dried extract rather than the powdered root.  But

astragalus is so easy to take  or to incorporate into cooking that I

question the value of encapsulation.



But it is a good point that many encapsulated herbs do not provide the

constituents necessary.  There are often biochemical changes produced

during the decoction.  And the Chinese Medicine uses of many herbs is

simply different from the western use of the same herb. Preparation is an

important step in obtaining a specific action from an herb and a tincture

or capsule often does not provide what a decoction or an infusion will

provide. 



Karen Vaughan

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On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:39:11 -0900 "Anita Hales"

<anita.hales@worldnet.att.net> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:

>

>  It must be boiled for at least 20

>>minutes to release its immune-stimulating constituents.

>

>In light of this and other herbs that seem to require preparation to

release

>constituents, I question the value of using some herbs in encapsulated 

>form.



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Subject: Re: astragalus question

From: Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:59:26 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>:



At 10:39 AM 2/13/99 -0900, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:

>

>  It must be boiled for at least 20

>>minutes to release its immune-stimulating constituents.

>

>In light of this and other herbs that seem to require preparation to release

>constituents, I question the value of using some herbs in encapsulated form.

>I wonder if you are getting all you pay for and expect when you buy a bottle

>of capsules.  I really prefer the old fasioned way really.  Does anyone else

>have thoughts on this?

>

>



I agree wholeheartedly. I think that capsules, in general, aren't a good

idea. If your digestion is at all compromised it is that much harder to get

anything from them. Herbs have been traditionally taken from broths, teas,

pastes and other preparations so that it is easier to absorb the healing

substances. 



Besides, there's a lot to be said about avoiding the "pill-popping"

mentality. When you actually have to take the time out to cook up a broth,

or brew a tea, or even just actually TASTE the herb in the form of a

tincture, it's going to have a much different impact than just swallowing a

few pills or capsules.



Sarah

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: astragalus question

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:25:14 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> In light of this and other herbs that seem to require preparation to release

> constituents, I question the value of using some herbs in encapsulated form.

> I wonder if you are getting all you pay for and expect when you buy a bottle

> of capsules.  I really prefer the old fasioned way really.  Does anyone else

> have thoughts on this?



The encapsulated herbs I use in my practice were made into decoction and then

spray dried. They are very effective.



Many herbs break down fine in the digestion as is. All Chinese formulas with

'san' at the end (and that's a lot of them) were originally administered as

powders (what san means).



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: astragalus question

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:26:07 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> How do you spray dry them?  Or is this something that you purchase ready

> made?  I'm wondering if I could do something similar, making a decoction

> then drying the results in a dehydrator.



No, they use very big machines called spray driers, which has tiny nozzles that

dry the liquid into powder instantaneously, by evaporation not high heat. Since

these are often formulas, they are quite complex to make.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: astragalus question

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:26:55 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> But it is a good point that many encapsulated herbs do not provide the

> constituents necessary.  There are often biochemical changes produced

> during the decoction.  



Which can be turned to advantage, and has.



>And the Chinese Medicine uses of many herbs is

> simply different from the western use of the same herb. 



A. membranaceous is a Chinese herb, not a western one.



>Preparation is an

> important step in obtaining a specific action from an herb and a tincture

> or capsule often does not provide what a decoction or an infusion will

> provide. 



Contrast that with compliance, and you will see that one can heal a lot more

people with a pill than a decoction.



Paul





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: ظ: astragalus question

From: "Li" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 12:54:38 +0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Li" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>:





>Is astragalus an herb or a vegetable?   I have read that it has immune

>enhancing properties and it is used in TCM. What part of the plant is

>beneficial?

>

>Thanks, I appreciate the comments and answers that I read here. This is a

>great list!

>Best regards,

>Pat Constantine

>user276055@aol.com

>

Astragalus is a herb in TCM,the root of the plant is often used to enchance

immune system.



Li







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Eye Question - PAUL

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:08:19 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Would you care to expand on this.



Maybe. Would the person involved like to confess the stimulants and poor

lifestyle that brought this condition about?



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Eye Question - PAUL

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:22:35 -0800

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> I guess that I will have to give up being a vegetarian and my consumption of

> all organic produce since this contributes to a POOR LIFESTYLE. Since I am

> leading such a POOR LIFESTYLE, I suppose I will have to give up my

> spirituality and start being more sexually promiscuous.



No need to get so defensive. You have a heat condition. Where did the heat come

from? 



Usually, lifestyle problems. If not now, then before. Have you always lived

such a sterling life? 



If so, then great, you shouldn't have such problems, and whatever cause it has

has to be superficial, some sort of 'other' error or condition as yet

undiagnosed. 



FOR INSTANCE, what about cold remedies? Have you used any of those in the last

year or two?



And what about lack of sleep? Or OTHER health problems?



Paul





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: Eye Question - PAUL

From: "John J Macuga III" <macugajr@gte.net>

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:52:48 -0500

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Usually, lifestyle problems. If not now, then before. Have you always lived

such a sterling life?



I am sure that as most due, I did give in to the impetuosity of youth. I can

assure you, however,  that it was many years ago. I due strive, and have

done so for many years, to lead as balanced a life as possible. This applies

physically, spiritually and mentally. I am, after all, the pastor of a New

Thought - Holistic ministry and I do try to Practice what I Preach.



If so, then great, you shouldn't have such problems, and whatever cause it

has

has to be superficial, some sort of 'other' error or condition as yet

undiagnosed.



FOR INSTANCE, what about cold remedies? Have you used any of those in the

last

year or two?





I very seldom have colds and it has been fifteen or more years since I have

had the flu. When I feel a need for a cold remedy it usually consists of

something like Mullein, Coltsfoot and or Lobelia. I have on occasion used

Honey and Olives for laryngitis.



And what about lack of sleep? Or OTHER health problems?





Now your talking!!  I have very bad sleep patterns, hardly any time out of

REM (confirmed by sleep clinic) as well as mild sleep apnea.  Other health

problems would be Arthritis and Degenerative Disk Disease. I am now trying

to avoid back surgery (two previous) for sciatic nerve pinching, and have

several protrusions into the spinal canal at Lumbar and Thoracic areas.



Paul



Respectfully yours



John







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Eye Question - PAUL

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:38:58 -0800

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> And what about lack of sleep? Or OTHER health problems?

> 

> Now your talking!!  I have very bad sleep patterns, hardly any time out of

> REM (confirmed by sleep clinic) as well as mild sleep apnea.  Other health

> problems would be Arthritis and Degenerative Disk Disease. I am now trying

> to avoid back surgery (two previous) for sciatic nerve pinching, and have

> several protrusions into the spinal canal at Lumbar and Thoracic areas.



OK, well, sciatica is certainly treatable, and very often results from heat

conditions. Do you have nightsweats or feelings of unusual heat?



Paul





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: Eye Question - PAUL

From: "John J Macuga" <macugajr@gte.net>

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:48:47 -0500

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OK, well, sciatica is certainly treatable, and very often results from heat

conditions. Do you have nightsweats or feelings of unusual heat?



Paul





I know that in Chinese Medicine, heat and Cold do not necessarily mean

temperature (I  think).



I you do mean temp. then yes, I always end up sleeping on top of the covers,

even in the winter.

I do occasionally perspire heavily during my sleep, to the point that I

rotate pillows to find a dry spot. Most perspiration is in the head and neck

area. Very seldom is the sweating over the entire body. Some people have

commented on the fact that it is hard to sleep with me due to body heat.



John







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Eye Question - PAUL

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:13:29 -0800

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> I you do mean temp. then yes, I always end up sleeping on top of the covers,

> even in the winter.



It's temperature, but not 'body temp' as shown by a thermometer necessarily.

More like 'felt' temp, but the fact that others notice it shows that it is not

just subjective. Shocking that the docs don't consider such imbalances illness.



> I do occasionally perspire heavily during my sleep, to the point that I

> rotate pillows to find a dry spot. Most perspiration is in the head and neck

> area. Very seldom is the sweating over the entire body. Some people have

> commented on the fact that it is hard to sleep with me due to body heat.



So, yes, you DO have a severe heat condition, which is good news, in the sense

that non-surgical interventions exist to resolve the root of the condition,

instead of just treating the surface while your internal organs fry. The

initial diagnosis is correct; the causation is lost to the past, so far...the

sleep problem is no doubt a result, not the root. 



This is deficiency heat, which probably means afternoon tiredness, and feelings

of being overwhelmed by crowds or noise. 



Do you really take no stimulants?



There are formulas for this; contact me privately.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Tooth pain

From: SwedeGirl7@aol.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:04:10 EST

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Hello all~



I have been having some terrible pain on the left side of my mouth.....it

feels like what I would imagine an exposed nerve in a tooth root would feel

like.  Sometimes the pain is in the lower teeth, sometimes the upper---it may

be radiating so I am not sure of the specific area of origin.  I have no

fillings or dental work, other than having wisdom teeth removed more than 10

years ago.  The dentist is baffled.  He has prodded and probed and filed and

taken complete x-rays and cannot find any reason for the pain.  The x-rays

showed a small cavity in the upper left (4th tooth from the back), but he says

it is certainly not something that would be causing this amount of pain.  My

chiropractor has also been adjusting my neck and given me electric stimulation

to see if it would help to alleviate some of the pain, but to no avail.  He

suggested that it might be a sinus infection, so today I went to see the GP

and she prescribed an antibiotic, but she is not convinced that the problem is

stemming from the sinuses (especially since I've had some pain in the lower

jaw area).  The entire left side of my face is swollen and sore.  I am at my

wits end to find some relief!  I hope that someone can offer some insight as

to what might be causing this and some herbal suggestions.  Thanks for your

help, and as always I find this list enlightening and entertaining.



Christy

Swedegirl7@aol.com





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Tooth pain

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:22:46 -0800

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> I have been having some terrible pain on the left side of my mouth.....it

> feels like what I would imagine an exposed nerve in a tooth root would feel

> like.  Sometimes the pain is in the lower teeth, sometimes the upper-



Usually such leftsided pains are due to COLD. 



Do you eat ice cream or frozen desserts, iced tea, that sort of thing?



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Tooth pain

From: Augcsm1@aol.com

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:22:39 EST

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I had a friend who had similiar symptoms. It turned out to be a bacterial

infection.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Tooth pain

From: SwedeGirl7@aol.com

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 13:36:47 EST

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Paul,

I drink alot of iced tea, and also ice water......not much of anything else

cold (food or dessert-wise) that comes to mind.  The teeth were quite

sensitive to heat and cold during the first week of pain, but for the last few

days seem uneffected.

Christy





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Tooth pain

From: awilloby@enternet.co.nz

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:43:48 -0800

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Hi Christy

> 

> I have been having some terrible pain on the left side of my mouth.....it

> feels like what I would imagine an exposed nerve in a tooth root would feel

> like.  Sometimes the pain is in the lower teeth, sometimes the upper---it may

> be radiating so I am not sure of the specific area of origin.  



I had the same type of pain off and on for the past few years, and 

last Friday it flared up into excruciating pain in a particulat tooth.  

Turns out that the tooth had been filled but the nerve had died and 

needed a root canal filling.



However, if you have no fillings or dental work, other than having wisdom teeth 

removed more than 10 years ago, then it is probably not that.



The x-rays

> showed a small cavity in the upper left (4th tooth from the back), but he says

> it is certainly not something that would be causing this amount of pain.  



My problem didn't show up on xrays at all.



Sorry, not much help - hope you find the cause .



Alan



Alan Willoughby

PO Box 296, Tauranga, New Zealand

Phone/fax 64 7 5443087





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Tooth pain

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:17:37 -0700 (MST)

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> Paul,

> I drink alot of iced tea, and also ice water......not much of anything else

> cold (food or dessert-wise) that comes to mind.  The teeth were quite

> sensitive to heat and cold during the first week of pain, but for

> the last few days seem uneffected.

> Christy



So...STOP. Stop consuming anything cold for a week. And your problem will

disappear. Your complaint is cold in the digestion freezing the channel. Not

uncommon. 



Why would you drink alot of iced tea in winter? No wonder your mouth hurts.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: sex/period...who started this? what does th

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:39:20 -0800

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> I use womens clinics for my personal exams and no one ever has said to me

> *and remember not to have sex on your period Honey, causes infections you

> now*



No one was speaking of 'infections.' We mentioned the very real possibility of

endometriosis, especially in those with hot wombs to begin with. 



That this is at least a mechanical possibility cannot be denied (the fallopian

tubes are OPEN to the abdomen, so if the vagina were sufficiently open, an ant

could walk into the vulva and finally end up walking around on the fascia

surrounding your intestines on the inside of your abdomen. Menstruum can indeed

be squirted into these recesses in cases of health imbalance.



And I mentioned an 'emotional' or 'spiritual' reason not to do it, which has to

do with elimination of 'emotional' or 'energetic' (qi) residues.



Of course, in many cases the beneficial effects of lovemaking might outweigh

the health risks. But the health risks are there, and given that western women

often have major menstrual imbalances, it is a factor to be taken into account

in making such decisions. It is not just a given that it is safe, and let me

state for the record this has NOTHING to do with personal squeamishness or

moral fervor. 



Last post on this off-topic thread, unless someone wants to introduce herbal

thought into it. To that end, let me point out that danggui, that famous

'women's herb, may be inappropriate for many women, and that herbs are

generally not taken during the menstrual flow.



Paul





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Gelsemium

From: "Pam Haley" <Auntyfrog@hawaii.rr.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:39:52 -1000

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Aloha,

Can anyone on the list give me information about gelsemium and it's

use for reducing anxiety, stress and similar complaints.





Pam Haley --- Parosa Vizslas

mailto:auntyfrog@hawaii.rr.com

ICQ# 18864148      IM: AFrogie



"Seen it all, done it all. Can't remember most of it!"











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Gelsemium

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:50:51 EST

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In a message dated 2/14/99 12:38:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Auntyfrog@hawaii.rr.com writes:



<< Aloha,

 Can anyone on the list give me information about gelsemium and it's

 use for reducing anxiety, stress and similar complaints.

 

 

 Pam Haley --- Parosa Vizslas

 mailto:auntyfrog@hawaii.rr.com >>



Hi Pam -



Yes gelsemium is excellent for anxiety and is used by many of my students for

exam phobia, performance anxiety and I use it before public speaking

engagements.  It is also wonderful for certain kinds of migraine headaches.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Gelsemium

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:40:13 -0500

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Mary-



Are you using herbal or homeopathic gelsemium for anxiety?  What forms

and dosages?  Any side effects?  I'm thinking of someone who has taken

excessive SSRIs (including SJW, currently Prozac) in a misguided effort

to relieve anxiety along with his depression.  He seems to me to have

serotonin syndrome and I am looking for something to deal with anxiety

that will not enhance SSRIs.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.                  

               "Alas! The way of healing is so profound. It is deep as

the oceans and

boundless as the skies. How many truly know it?"      The Yellow

Emperor's Classic of Medicine



On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:50:51 EST Herbgrow30@aol.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:

>Yes gelsemium is excellent for anxiety and is used by many of my

students for

>exam phobia, performance anxiety and I use it before public speaking

>engagements.  It is also wonderful for certain kinds of migraine 

>headaches.

>

>In health -

>Mary



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Gelsemium

From: "natural" <natural@wt.net>

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:54:03 -0600

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Karen, replying off line since response is not an herb.  Jill Stansbury

presented a good clinical case on similar subject.  client could not

tolerate SJW, Kava or others botanicals affecting serotonin.  She initially

prescribed a commercial adrenal complex formula for fatigue and prolonged

stress; which quickly promoted suicidal feels.  Discontinued and prescribed

tryptophan with Vitamin B6.  Dosage 500-1000 mg at night before bed.  Worked

well.



Have similar client right now and am looking for source of tryptophan.  Am

also interested in Mary's comments about gelsemium.



Rosie Lloyd

Back to Nature

->

>Are you using herbal or homeopathic gelsemium for anxiety?  What forms

>and dosages?  Any side effects?  I'm thinking of someone who has taken

>excessive SSRIs (including SJW, currently Prozac) in a misguided effort

>to relieve anxiety along with his depression.  He seems to me to have

>serotonin syndrome and I am looking for something to deal with anxiety

>that will not enhance SSRIs.

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>***************************************

>Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

>               "Alas! The way of healing is so profound. It is deep as

>the oceans and

>boundless as the skies. How many truly know it?"      The Yellow

>Emperor's Classic of Medicine

>

>On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:50:51 EST Herbgrow30@aol.com writes:

>>To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:

>>Yes gelsemium is excellent for anxiety and is used by many of my

>students for

>>exam phobia, performance anxiety and I use it before public speaking

>>engagements.  It is also wonderful for certain kinds of migraine

>>headaches.

>>

>>In health -

>>Mary

>

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Gelsemium

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 05:53:02 -0700 (MST)

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Is this Gelsemium in question Gelsemium sempervirens?  What about toxicity?  Is

Gelsemium safe to use?  How do you (Mary Conley) prepare and take Gelsemium?   

Do you use the herb form or the homeopathic form?



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Gelsemium

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:42:28 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 2/14/99 10:19:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,

creationsgarden@juno.com writes:



<< Mary-

 

 Are you using herbal or homeopathic gelsemium for anxiety?  What forms

 and dosages?  Any side effects?  I'm thinking of someone who has taken

 excessive SSRIs (including SJW, currently Prozac) in a misguided effort

 to relieve anxiety along with his depression.  He seems to me to have

 serotonin syndrome and I am looking for something to deal with anxiety

 that will not enhance SSRIs.

 

 Karen Vaughan >>



Hi Karen -



I have used both the homeopathic preparation, and the flower essence.  But the

key, as you already know, is to start small like a 30X and see where that

leads.  I have a plant that shows much promise for putting forth wonderful

yellow flowers again this year and will be making up another batch of the

flower essence.  But if you have the plant nearby you can do that too.  If you

can I'd also try to get him on a 3 day cleanse to get as much of the junk out

as you can.  Also be sure he isn't confusing depression and anxiety, and, you

know this one too, be sure to know which type of depression - if it is

clinical or endogenous.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Gelsemium

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:52:15 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 2/15/99 7:53:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

tmueller@bluegrass.net writes:



<< Is this Gelsemium in question Gelsemium sempervirens?  What about toxicity?

Is

 Gelsemium safe to use?  How do you (Mary Conley) prepare and take Gelsemium? 

 Do you use the herb form or the homeopathic form?

 

 Thomas Mueller >>



I ADD:



Hi Thomas -



I use the Gelsemium sempervirens.  I get the homeopathic preparation from

Washington Homeopathic which is about 15 minutes away from my house.  But it

is sold in all of the major homeopathic houses.  The plant is yellow jasmine

and is easy to grow, goes dormant in our winters here in the U.S. but bursts

forth with lovely yellow flowers.  I also make my own flower essence from my

plant.



Here's what the pamphlet says:



Indications - apprehension, stage fright, dread of important events, flu

symptoms, fever, migraine headaches.



Confirmation:  Heaviness of limbs and eyelids, pain in eyeballs (that's the

migraine indication), chills up and down spine, loss of memory.



Symptoms improved by:  Sweating, profuse urination.



Symptoms aggravated by:  Heat, hot weather, bad news.



I've used it for those with performance anxiety, and for some of my kids who

freeze up on tests, as well as before I go to speak before a group ('cause I'm

not the world's best public speaker!).



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

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Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Gelsemium

From: MLCherbs@aol.com

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:04:23 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from MLCherbs@aol.com:



i was always told that yellow jasmine is poisonous - now i am confused.



Mary lynn





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Gelsemium

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:44:43 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 2/15/99 3:08:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, MLCherbs@AOL.COM

writes:



<< i was always told that yellow jasmine is poisonous - now i am confused.

 

 Mary lynn

 

  >>



Actually, Mary Lynn, a lot of homeopathic medications are prepared from toxic

substances.  There is snake venom, belladonna, and poisonous trees.  But in

the method of preparation, and by the time you get the potency made up there

is very little of the actual substance left in the droplets, just resonance.

It is a science that truly baffles doctors and pharmacists.  I tried to give

my boss a lesson in succussion and preparing tinctures and he was thoroughly

frustrated.  Also flower essences seem to have very little potency in them by

their method of preparation, and are used only by drops at a time.  Again it's

in the care you take to prepare, the study of the plant, and the method you

use in dosing that can make all the difference.  To learn more about

homeopathics Dana Ullman has a book out "Everybody's Guide to Homeopathic

Medicines," and it does go into this subject in a readable fashion.  Also good

to have around the house.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

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Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Gelsemium

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:28:09 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:44:43 EST, Herbgrow30@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>Actually, Mary Lynn, a lot of homeopathic medications are prepared from toxic

>substances.  There is snake venom, belladonna, and poisonous trees.  But in



Which is why it's important to mention that you are talking about a HOMEOPATHIC

remedy, EVERY time you mention such on an herb list.



Thank you.

Henriette, listowner.



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Gelsemium

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:01:07 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>Actually, Mary Lynn, a lot of homeopathic medications are prepared from

toxic

>substances.  There is snake venom, belladonna, and poisonous trees.  But in

>the method of preparation, and by the time you get the potency made up

there

>is very little of the actual substance left in the droplets, just

resonance.



To add:

Homeopathic remedies are based on the theory of like cures like.  A

substance that would cause certain symptoms given in larger doses is diluted

to many parts per million.  The theory is that the dilute dose will cure

what the large dose would cause.  Homeopathy was popular until early in this

century when the "war" with pharmacy began.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Gelsemium

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:29:30 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



Gelsemium is not yellow jasmine, it is yellow jessamine.  I wonder if

Jessamine County KY is named for this plant.  Jasmine is Jasminum officinale.

When you drink Chinese jasmine tea, that is tea (Camellia sinensis) with

Jasminum officinale flowers, no Gelsemium.  Names are close enough to invite

mistakes.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Gelsemium

From: Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:07:20 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>:



tmueller@bluegrass.net wrote:

> 

> Gelsemium is not yellow jasmine, it is yellow jessamine.



Common names vary. The Virtual Garden database lists G. sempervirens as

"Carolina Jasmine", Maude Grieve's Modern Herbal at www.botanical.com

adds "Yellow Jasmine", "False Jasmine" and "Wild Woodbine" to the list

and PhytochemDB at probe.nal.usda.gov:8300 says it's "Yellow Jessamine"

as you suggested. That's just the first three databases I looked in, but

you get the point.



--

Miikkali Leppihalme - mii@media.edu.hel.fi





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Gelsemium

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:40:21 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 2/16/99 2:29:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,

tmueller@bluegrass.net writes:



<< To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:

 

 Gelsemium is not yellow jasmine, it is yellow jessamine.  I wonder if

 Jessamine County KY is named for this plant.  Jasmine is Jasminum officinale.

 When you drink Chinese jasmine tea, that is tea (Camellia sinensis) with

 Jasminum officinale flowers, no Gelsemium.  Names are close enough to invite

 mistakes.

  >>



Interesting, Tom, because in Boiron's catalogue it is listed as a yellow

jasmine as the basis for the homeopathic gelsemium, so that's what their

mother tincture is made from.

So does Boericke & Tafel Homeopathic Suppliers.  We'll have to do some more

exploring.  I'll check with Washington Homeopathic if it''s not too busy at

the pharmacy tomorrow.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Astragalus question

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:09:10 -0700 (MST)

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>Herbs do tend to be vegetable ;-)   The root of the Astragalus

>membranaceous plant is used.  Traditionally it is sliced and pressed

>flat.  It can be purchased in 10 ounce boxes in Chinese grocery stores



Would these 10 ounce boxes of astragalus root be required to say so if the

astragalus root slices were sulfur-treated?  I have seen 7 oz boxes ($6.49?) of

sliced astragalus root, white surfaces, in one Chinese grocery store.



Astragalus root, cooked in soup or with rice, etc is tough and stringy, not

chewable but would be used to extract the herbal benefits.  Taste is slightly

sweet but would get lost in a mix.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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Subject: Re:Astragalus question

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 04:51:48 -0700 (MST)

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On the question of astragalus and other herbs in encapsulated form, I believe 

the herb is powdered before encapsulation.  I am not sure how well it is 

absorbed through the capsule.  But one downside of capsules is the capsule

material itself, likely to be beef & pork gelatin except in the case of 

Vegicaps (R).  Some people like me have difficulty with mammal meats; I would

rather not have the gelatin or any form of mammal protein.  This method of

packaging (capsules) adds greatly to the price, and one would likely not get

enough of a herb that should be taken in more than a very small quantity.



Thomas Mueller

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Subject: Re: Astragalus question

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:39:31 -0500

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>Astragalus root, cooked in soup or with rice, etc is tough and stringy,

not

>chewable but would be used to extract the herbal benefits.  



The root slice is discarded before eating (press it out first to extract

the juice).  



The sulfer is used as a common preservative and is probably not listed. 

If jennieleftish is still on the list perhaps she could explain the

benefits of non sulfer treated astragalus, since her company specializes

in non-treated herbs.  The non-treated stuff seems to oxidize (turn dark)

much faster.  It is a case akin to sulfited dried fruit.



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Subject: Re: Astragalus question

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 05:52:27 -0700 (MST)

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Would astragalus root slices as used in China contain sulfite?  I believe U.S.

law requires sulfite to be declared on the label but am not absolutely certain.

I have Frontier's 1996-97 Herb & Spice Catalog, and they use a mark to indicate

which herbs have been treated with sodium sulfite, sodium bisulfite or both.

Astragalus Root Slices don't bear that mark, but Asparagus Tuber Slices, just

above, and Atractylodes Root Slices, just below, show that mark.  Yam Root 

Slices (Dioscorea opposita, from China) bear that mark.  I have seen Chinese yam

root slices in a box (200 grams?) in a Chinese grocery store and wonder if that

is sulfite-treated.  There is also potassium metabisulfite, used by at least one

producer of muscadine juice; I don't know if potassium metabisulfite is used in

herbs.  Sulfur dioxide is used to preserve color in dried fruits; unsulfured

dried apricots or peaches turn dark.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Astragalus question

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:40:15 -0700 (MST)

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> I have seen 7 oz boxes ($6.49?) of

> sliced astragalus root, white surfaces, in one Chinese grocery store.



Sulfured astragalus is yellow: bright yellow. Good quality astragalus is more

yellowish creamy.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: PDR problems?

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:35:41 EST

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In a message dated 2/13/99 3:26:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,

p_iannone@lamg.com writes:



<< How do you know that? The PDR claims this, but in fact most endo is never

 diagnosed.  >>



I ADD:



I'm gonna take a risk here and go out on a limb.  Please take what you read in

the PDR Physicians Desk Reference with a grain of salt.  To avoid lawsuits

manufacturers have to put in all kinds of side-effects, etc. I work with this

directory every day and am familiar with the ins and outs of it's contents.  I

find it to be so very allopathic that there is no room for natural health

concerns or lifestyles and choices.  This is an old and ongoing discussion

between allopathy and the natural health field, and at times can get downright

ascerbic.  I do, however, really appreciate the new Herbal PDR and also have

incorporated it into my daily routine. However, there still exist some very

big discrepancies and to take a PDR as gospel can be a mistake and to

generalize what may be printed in a manual as *good for all* may lead to

mistakes.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: PDR problems?

From: Sarah Hasler <hasler@highfiber.com>

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:52:25 -0700

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I, too, have a copy of the new Herbal PDR and find it a useful reference in

many ways. HOWEVER, I feel that it is definitely written by and for

allopathic physicians, and some of the information contained within it I

feel is somewhat invalid and definitely biased towards a "covering your

story" mentality. From my understanding, it is heavily based on the German

Commission E Monographs.



Sarah



....deletions....



>ascerbic.  I do, however, really appreciate the new Herbal PDR and also have

>incorporated it into my daily routine. However, there still exist some very

>big discrepancies and to take a PDR as gospel can be a mistake and to

>generalize what may be printed in a manual as *good for all* may lead to

>mistakes.

>

>In health -

>Mary

>

>Mary L. Conley, MNH

>The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

>Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

>Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

>***************************



>My comments are instructional only.

>Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.

>

>

>

>

>

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		Student at National College of Phytotherapy,

			    Albuquerque, NM





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: herb in pregnancy 

From: R Dresner <saopedro@yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 03:47:49 -0800 (PST)

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To all those of you who gave us advice over the last few months on

pregnancy (iron deficiencies, sciatica, and vitamin K), a big thank

you!!



We've just been blessed with a beautiful healthy baby boy, 7lb 10oz.



My wife's labour was too long and too painful, but well worth it in

the end. (Yep, that's easy for me, the hubby, to say!) 



Take care



Rick Dresner

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herb Formula and what's in it?

From: "Kristine J. Makl" <kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu>

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:56:14 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Kristine J. Makl" <kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu>:



Oops, forgot a subject line....so I'm resending it.



Hello everyone,



I would like to thank everyone who responded to my post about herbs,

acupunture and uterine fibroids.  It was very helpful for me.



I have another question.  I have a friend who is going to an acupunturist

and is being give herbs as well.  The formula he is taking is in pill form

and there is Celosia, Eucommia, Crataegus, Salvia and Lycium listed as the

ingredients on the label.  I have been able to fine Crataegus, Salvia and

Lycium in the medicinal herb book I have but have not found Celosia or

Eucommia.  Could someone here tell me what these two herbs do for the

body?  The book I have is Complete Medicinal Herbs by Penelope Ody.



Briefly, my friend went origionally because of high blood pressure,

traditional  meds didn't seem to work.  He also has diabetis (not sure what

stage, he takes pills not shots).



Thanks for all your help.



Kris

kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herb Formula and what's in it?

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:38:40 EST

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In a message dated 2/15/99 2:52:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu writes:



<<  I have been able to fine Crataegus, Salvia and

 Lycium in the medicinal herb book I have but have not found Celosia or

 Eucommia.  Could someone here tell me what these two herbs do for the

 body?  The book I have is Complete Medicinal Herbs by Penelope Ody.

  >>



Hi Kris -



The Eucommia might be Eucommia ulmoides which is the Gutta-Percha Tree.

According to Lesley Bremness "the bark has a pleasant taste and has warming

properties in traditional Chinese medicine.  It is used as a tonic for the

liver and kidneys, lowers blood pressure and decreases absorption of

cholesterol.  It is given to build up muscles and bones weakened by joint

injury, or back strain during pregnancy.  The bark is also used for emotional

problems."



This is one I am not familiar with, Kris, maybe some of our TCM masters out

there are!



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Herb Formula and what's in it?

From: "natural" <natural@wt.net>

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:05:15 -0600

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I have but have not found Celosia or

> Eucommia.  Could someone here tell me what these two herbs do for the

> body?  The book I have is Complete Medicinal Herbs by Penelope Ody.

>  >>



In my Materia Medica by Hong-Yen Hsu, Celosiae is usually the dried seed of

Celosia argentea L. of the amaranthaceae family.



Has cold property, enters liver channels.   traditional uses  clears up

liver fire, clears vision, removes eye film, dispels wind-heat.

Applications:  Hyperemia, ocular swelling and pain, pruritus.   It has

antiphlogistic action and causes pupil dilation therefore should not be used

with dilated pupils due to deficient liver or kidneys.



Rosie







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herb Formula and what's in it?

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:31:37 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I have another question.  I have a friend who is going to an acupunturist

> and is being give herbs as well.  The formula he is taking is in pill form

> and there is Celosia, Eucommia, Crataegus, Salvia and Lycium listed as the

> ingredients on the label.  I have been able to fine Crataegus, Salvia and

> Lycium in the medicinal herb book I have but have not found Celosia or

> Eucommia.  Could someone here tell me what these two herbs do for the

> body? 



Celosia is botanically similar to the plant amaranth. Medicinally, the seed is

cooling, clears fire. The plant is otherwise known as cockscomb.



Eucommia is a great plant, the bark of a temperate zone rubber tree. Usually

used for low back pain, but popular in anti-hbp formulas.



Paul







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To: "'herb list'" <herb@MyList.net>

From: "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:56:15 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>:



I saw a posting on this list recently that referred to the Rocky

Mountain Herbal Institute. I checked their web site and found it

interesting. Now I am considering buying these two books, in an effort

to learn something of Chinese healing:



Traditional Chinese Herbal Science, by Roger Wicke, Ph.D.: 



      Vol. 1: The Language and Patterns of Life 

      Vol. 2: Herbs, Strategies, and Case Studies



Would anyone be willing to share with me their knowledge of either these

publications or their author? They are fairly expensive, but would be

well worth the cost if the information contained is accurate and well

presented. Any replies either here or off-list if more appropriate would

be appreciated.



TIA 

Robin Boulton





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To: "herb@MyList.net" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: urgent

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:32:37 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:



Sometimes one is too close to someone to figure out what is going on, it

is a holiday-no doc's available, daughter had bad case of flu, gave lots

of fluids and fruit juices-she has lost 10# in less than days, fever

gone but she is really weak.  Only wants water to drink, refuses every

thing else, have a bad feeling about this but can't figure why.

Thanks ahead of time

Harriett







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: urgent

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:35:53 -0500

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Hariette-



Check her for meningitis signs, to relieve yourself if for no other

reason.  Fruit juice is probably way too dense.  Try flat ginger ale, or

Pedialite if you think she's lost electrolytes with throwing up or

diarrhea.  Chicken broth if you can talk her into it.



A bath with 2-3 cups of melissa infusion may be helpful.  Gentle massage

with ghee or almond oil might help.



If she is an infant and has lost that much weight, and your instinct says

something is wrong, call the doctor anyway, even if you can't put your

finger on why.  His answering service should be able to get badk to him

even on a holiday.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

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               "Alas! The way of healing is so profound. It is deep as

the oceans and

boundless as the skies. How many truly know it?"      The Yellow

Emperor's Classic of Medicine



On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:32:37 -0700 (MST) Harriett Hardin

<hahardin@cntwk.net> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:

>

>Sometimes one is too close to someone to figure out what is going on, 

>it

>is a holiday-no doc's available, daughter had bad case of flu, gave 

>lots

>of fluids and fruit juices-she has lost 10# in less than days, fever

>gone but she is really weak.  Only wants water to drink, refuses every

>thing else, have a bad feeling about this but can't figure why.

>Thanks ahead of time

>Harriett

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: urgent

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:27:21 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:



Sorry I was so worried that I didn't get all the info in.



she is 9 years oldbeen sick for 4 days

lost 10 pounds

won't eat  was drinking juice, but only wants water

really weak,

called doc he will see her tomorrow

thanks

Harriett







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: urgent

From: "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:28:36 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>:



> Sometimes one is too close to someone to figure out what is going on, it

> is a holiday-no doc's available, daughter had bad case of flu, gave lots

> of fluids and fruit juices-she has lost 10# in less than days, fever

> gone but she is really weak.  Only wants water to drink, refuses every

> thing else, have a bad feeling about this but can't figure why.

> Thanks ahead of time

> Harriett



Any unusual joint stiffness?  Restlessness or uncontrolled emotion?  I'm

assuming from your post that fluid intake/output is relatively normal now. 

Is respiration even and easy? Can you listen to her lungs with a

stethoscope?  Are her lymph nodes still swollen - more or less than during

illness?  



Ten pounds in days sounds like water loss, and may indicate electrolyte

imbalance.  A pedialyte solution may help.  

However, if no signs of dehydration are present, remember digestion often

slows way down during fever or illness, in certain cases food intake can

cause complications.  It may be a normal part of the healing process.  Try

having her take some slippery elm tea, or barring that, thin oatmeal or

barley water (with no additional sugars) and see if she improves  Even most

sensitive stomachs can usually handle a teaspoon every five minutes.  









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To: "herb@MyList.net" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: re urgent

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:28:05 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:



Every one,

thanks for stressing going to er- her blood sugars were very high, if I

had waited until tomorrow for the doctor appointment she would have been in a

diabetic coma or worse.  Looks like mom is going to become an expert in

childhood diabetes.

She was given an iv with insulin and has settled comfortably(?) for the

night.  I am exhaused and over- whelmed. Thank you again, you helped save

her life.

truly thankful

Harriett







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: 

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:32:51 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>Briefly, my friend went origionally because of high blood pressure,

>traditional  meds didn't seem to work.  He also has diabetis (not sure what

>stage, he takes pills not shots).





In type II diabetes there is an overabundance of insulin but it does not

work correctly (removing excess sugars from blood).  When the blood sugar is

high, the blood pressure is often high as well.  Losing weight in this type

of diabetes is critical.  Fat messes it all up.  When the excess fat is gone

the insulin seems to work better, the blood pressure comes down.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Mouth Ulcers

From: James Barrett <jamesbarrett@intrepid.prestel.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:06:50 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from James Barrett <jamesbarrett@intrepid.prestel.co.uk>:



Good day to you kind people.



My son has suffered with these ulcers since he was 10 years old.  He is

now 30.  Dentists and doctors have made various recommendations and

given prescriptions, but to no avail.  I believe that the current

treatment is designed to diminish the discomfort from them.



He has been a vegetarian for 14 years, though wasn't when this started. 

He drinks no coffee or tea, does consume large amounts of water, likes

English beer and also drinks wine.  No spirits.



He was recommended to eat fresh pineapple as a soothing and curative

treatment.  It aggravated the ulcers.  I should finally add that these

are sometimes as big as 2 inches across, and dangerously close to his

throat.



Has anyone experience of this and any hard info about remedies that

work, please?   (He is otherwise, extremely physically fit.)



TIA -

James Barrett,

Marlow,  Gt Britain









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Mouth Ulcers

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:15:37 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> My son has suffered with these ulcers since he was 10 years old.  He is

> now 30. 



Most often these are cold type, and simply result from eating too much cold

food. They are VERY simple to treat.



FRUIT and all other cooling foods should be abstained from, then they will go

away. The diet should emphasize warm food.



The clinical name is apthae.



Paul







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Mouth Ulcers

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:16:27 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>My son has suffered with these ulcers since he was 10 years old.  He is

>now 30.  Dentists and doctors have made various recommendations and

>given prescriptions, but to no avail.  I believe that the current

>treatment is designed to diminish the discomfort from them.



I wonder if these are only in his mouth.  Has he been checked to see if they

are throughout the alimentary system?  Sounds like some sort of herpes

perhaps.  I wonder if yarrow, peppermint or boneset might give some relief.

Certainly demulcent herbs would be in order such as slippery elm, mullein,

comfrey, licorice root, etc.  Bitters might also be in order here such as

Swedish Bitters, Dandelion root, myrrh, coptis.  I bet a mouthwash of Coptis

would be great, then swallow the rest to treat the rest of the digestive

system.  Might also check for candida.  Chamomile might help too.  I've

found licorice root powder placed directly on cold sores and mouth ulcers is

particularly effective and soothing.

>

>He has been a vegetarian for 14 years, though wasn't when this started.

>He drinks no coffee or tea, does consume large amounts of water, likes

>English beer and also drinks wine.  No spirits.

>

>He was recommended to eat fresh pineapple as a soothing and curative

>treatment.  It aggravated the ulcers.  I should finally add that these

>are sometimes as big as 2 inches across, and dangerously close to his

>throat.



Terrible advice.  It's way too acidic and fruit can be damaging to some

digestive systems.  I'd avoid much fruit especially citrus.  I'd also cook

my vegetables rather than raw for a while.  Too bad he's vegetarian, I'd

also recommend chicken soup.  Hope he uses B vitamin supplements.









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Mouth Ulcers

From: MDLukacs@aol.com

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:29:01 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from MDLukacs@aol.com:



I have a problem with recurring cold sores on my tongue maybe two times a

year.  When this happens I wet a cotton ball with myrrh extract and compress

them for several minutes over the course of the day.  This generally heals

them immediately.  I do find that overindulging in wine will bring them on.



Denise





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Mouth Ulcers

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:57:45 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I have a problem with recurring cold sores on my tongue maybe two times a

> year.  When this happens I wet a cotton ball with myrrh extract and compress

> them for several minutes over the course of the day.  This generally heals

> them immediately.  I do find that overindulging in wine will bring them on.



These are the hot variety. They are not best treated with myrrh, which is

warming, but it is a tribute to myrrh that it heals nonetheless.



The alcohol is a contributing cause. If we were to examine your health and

lifestyle, we would find other reasons why your stomach is always borderline

hot.



I hope that information helps.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re(2): Herb-Skin Bleaching

From: Marie Bell <marieb@estipro.com>

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:41:36 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Marie Bell <marieb@estipro.com>:



On Sat, Feb 13, 1999,  <p_iannone@lamg.com> wrote:



>> What are dark circles under the eyes associated with, Paul?--Alice

>

>Weak digestion. The stomach channel ends at the point just below the eye, on

>the orbit (people usually say, kidney, but that is a misunderstanding).



Wow, how interesting. I can see that weak digestion could be the problem.

So how does one improve weak digestion? Are there herbs for this? Be gentle

here, I'm herbally challenged.

Thank you, Marie









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Lydia Pinkhams

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:49:58 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



Does anyone know the ingredients of Lydia Pinkhams medicinal compound?  It

was a popular remedy for women from about 1919 up to the 1960's I think.







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Subject: Re: Lydia Pinkhams

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:44:19 -0500

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Ah, one of my favorite remedies until they changed the formula.  It now

contains iron and tastes of it and has lost some of what I thought were

more effective ingredients.



The original receipe for Lydia Pinkham's Vegetable Compound is as

follows:



Unicorn Root (Aletris farinosa L.) 8 oz.

Life Root (Senecio aureus L.) 6 oz.

Black Cohosh (Cimicifuga racemosa (L.) Nutt.) 6oz.

Pleurisy Root (Asclepias tuberosa L.) 6 oz.

Fenugreek Seed (Trigonella foenum-graecum L.) 12 oz.

Alcohol (18%) to make 100 pints



This formula is believed to have been developed through reading King's

American Dispensatory.  J. Burton, in his biography, of Lydia Pinkham,

1949, claims the addition of 8 oz. of False Unicorn (Chamaelirium

luteum). I seem to remember that as recently as the 60's it had Angelica

and Cimicifuga, when it was indicated for menstrual cramps as well as

menopause. I read an excellent biography of her sometime in the early 70s

which documents a number of formula changes over the years.



The current ingredients are:



Piscidia erthrina (Jamacian dogwood)

Asclepias tuberosa (Pleurisy root)

Glycyrhizia

Taraxacum officinale

Gentiana lutea

Leonarus cardiacus

Ferrous lactate 

D-Alpha tocopherol

Ascorbic acid  Ethyl alcohol (13%)



It tastes strongly of the ferrous lactate and lacks the old punch, and is

only suggested as a menopause formula.  It is currently distributed by

NUMARK  Laboritories of Edison, NJ  (nci)



Karen Vaughan

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On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:49:58 -0700 (MST) "Anita Hales"

<anita.hales@worldnet.att.net> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:

>

>Does anyone know the ingredients of Lydia Pinkhams medicinal compound? 

> It was a popular remedy for women from about 1919 up to the 1960's 



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Subject: Lydia Pinkham's

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:39:39 EST

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It is still called Lydia Pinkham's Vegetable Formula or Compound.  Since our

pharmacy is one of the older privately owned ones I will check tomorrow to see

if we can get some.  I hear it's still being marketed.  With the passage of

the Food & Drug Act it made it necessary for patented medicines to say how

much of their formulations were alcohol, and much of her formulation was.  The

family owned business was sold to Cooper Labs back in 1968, and I wonder if a

web search will lead us to their formulation?



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

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Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.











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Subject: Re: Lydia Pinkham's

From: "gil" <gil@alltel.net>

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:21:40 -0600

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About 20% alcohol.

-----Original Message-----

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com <Herbgrow30@aol.com>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 4:43 PM

Subject: Lydia Pinkham's





>To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:

>

>It is still called Lydia Pinkham's Vegetable Formula or Compound.  Since

our

>pharmacy is one of the older privately owned ones I will check tomorrow to

see

>if we can get some.  I hear it's still being marketed.  With the passage of

>the Food & Drug Act it made it necessary for patented medicines to say how

>much of their formulations were alcohol, and much of her formulation was.

The

>family owned business was sold to Cooper Labs back in 1968, and I wonder if

a

>web search will lead us to their formulation?

>

>In health -

>Mary

>

>Mary L. Conley, MNH

>The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

>Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

>Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

>***************************

>My comments are instructional only.

>Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Lydia Pinkham's

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:32:04 -0500

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From a label on a bottle of her pills just like one I had that dated from

the 50's, I can read (using authentic spelling as well as I can read it):

Iron (Ferrous sulphate)

Extract of Jamaica Dogwood (Piscidia Erythrina)

Pleurisy Root (Asclepias Tuberosa)

Licorice (Glycerrhiza  Glabra)



pictures of a bottle like this on this site (the Museum of Menstruation)...

http://www.mum.org/mrspin10.htm



an article found here..

http://www.whatuseek.com/cgi-bin/redirect.go?redirect=http://www.pitt.edu/DO

C/96/273/35392/13.html

says that her Vegetable compound at least at one time included



<<Jamaica dogwood, pleurisy root, black cohosh, life-root, licorice,

dandelion, ginseng

and, "solely as a solvent and preservative," 13.5 percent alcohol. [27

proof]

Fortified wine such as MD 20/20 and Thunderbird contains 13.5 percent

alcohol.>>



Other articles I have read claim that the tonic's principle ingredient was

fenugreek.

Others say just "vegetable extracts"

And still others claim that the alcohol content was as high as 20% (40

proof).



I suspect that the ingredients and alcohol content varied through the

ages...Lydia died over 100 years ago, after all.



This site carries the present day incarnation of Lydia Pinkham Tonic and

Tablets...(nci)

http://www.bogarddrug.com/htf.htm

(this site also carries "666 cold tablets!)



No definitive answers here...but a good start...



Joanie



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Subject: Re: Lydia Pinkham's

From: "gil" <gil@alltel.net>

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:46:17 -0600

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LP's vegetable compound(she had others):

Licorice, chamomile,pleurisy root,Jamaica dogwood,black cohosh,life

plant,dandelion root.

18% alcohol,later 13% when gov't wanted to regulate as beverage.

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To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 4:43 PM

Subject: Lydia Pinkham's





>To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:

>

>It is still called Lydia Pinkham's Vegetable Formula or Compound.  Since

our

>pharmacy is one of the older privately owned ones I will check tomorrow to

see

>if we can get some.  I hear it's still being marketed.  With the passage of

>the Food & Drug Act it made it necessary for patented medicines to say how

>much of their formulations were alcohol, and much of her formulation was.

The

>family owned business was sold to Cooper Labs back in 1968, and I wonder if

a

>web search will lead us to their formulation?

>

>In health -

>Mary

>

>Mary L. Conley, MNH

>The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

>Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

>Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

>***************************

>My comments are instructional only.

>Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Lydia Pinkham's

From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:33:13 -0500

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The Licorice  (Glycerrhiza  Glabra) is an analogue of estrogen.  I 

understand that although it was not part of the original formula, when it was 

added it made it more effective, probably especially for menopause.  



For the guys, Sarsaparilla is an analogue of androgen.  I guess the good 

guy in the cowboy movies knew what he was doing when he got a 

sarsaparilla instead of  a whiskey. 



Gerald W McClurg/ Director/ Technical Services Group





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Subject: A trip to the Chinese Herbalist

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:45:06 -0500

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I spent my day in Chinatown  yesterday and thought it might be fun to

describe my visit to a Chinese herbalist to you (especially for those who

have to rely upon the local GNC!)



I had been given the name of a shop with a good doctor of Oriental

medicine.  (In Chinese medicine, herbalism is seen as a higher art than

acupuncture, which says volumes about how the two cultures view

medicine.)  I entered the shop, where labelled drawers and jars of herbs

outnumbered the displays of Chinese patent medicines.  I asked for a

consultation with the herbalist and was introduced to an older man.  He

took me into a consultation room, asked me about symptoms, took my 12

pulses, looked at my tongue for color, coating, shape and cracks which

correspond to diagnostic imbalances, and asked me about symptoms I had

neglected to mention (which he could tell from my tongue, pulses and

appearance).  He wrote up his diagnosis and prescription in Chinese. 

Although I had been told that $5 more would buy an English translation,

he was unable to translate everything.



His assistants spread out five plastic placemats to distribute the herbs.

 He measured out quantities of astragalus root slices and divided them

evenly among the five mats.  This he followed with white chunks of

Chinese yam, rolled slices of white poria fungus, gutta percha (Eucommia)

bark which looks remarkably like a reptile skin in its cracked, rubbery

sheets, dark red pressed lumps of cooked rhemmania root, little red

lychee berries, large round slices of a tuber which may be Ze Xie (water

plantain), segmented pieces of what appear to be Morinda root,

quarter-inch round slices of a hollow stem or root (probably tree peony),

dark slices of He sho wu (Fo ti) and a scoop of a sand-like substance

that I haven't identified yet.  



The mats were each rolled up to pour the two days dose into a small paper

bag.  Each bag contained about two ounces of mixed herbs.  The first day,

5 cups of water were to be added to the herbs and simmered for an hour,

then the balance would be strained and drunk.  The next day three cups of

water were to be added to the same herbs and simmered for half an hour. 

Every two days I would start a new bag.  In 10 days I was to return for

reevaluation.



The decoction is somewhat sour and warming.  (The taste might be improved

with licorice, but I don't want to throw the balance off.)  



Total cost, including the consultation, was about $35.



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Re: A trip to the Chinese Herbalist

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:59:40 -0700 (MST)

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Karen wrote:



> I had been given the name of a shop with a good doctor of Oriental

> medicine.  (In Chinese medicine, herbalism is seen as a higher art than

> acupuncture, 



I guarantee that is the >herbalist's view, only.



>dark red pressed lumps of cooked rhemmania root, 



Rehmannia is black, not red. Raw is brownish black. You mean heshouwu.



>little red

> lychee berries, 



Those are lycium berries, gouzi (wolfberries), not lychee berries.



> quarter-inch round slices of a hollow stem or root (probably tree peony),



Nope. Poria cocos, fuling.



> dark slices of He sho wu (Fo ti) and a scoop of a sand-like substance

> that I haven't identified yet.  



That was the rehmannia. But please don't use the term 'fo ti.' It is archaic.



> The decoction is somewhat sour and warming.  (The taste might be improved

> with licorice, but I don't want to throw the balance off.)  



It wouldn't affect it negatively at all, and is a common addition.



Paul









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Subject: Re: A trip to the Chinese Herbalist

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:29:35 -0500

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>Rehmannia is black, not red. Raw is brownish black. You mean heshouwu.



Well it was darker than the he shou wu, which I also had, perhaps reddish

black is a better term.  This was one that the herbalist could translate.



>Those are lycium berries, gouzi (wolfberries), not lychee berries.

Well they certainly weren't lychee fruit.  I did see a package of them

elsewhere in Chinatown marked "Lychee" but I'm willing to accept that the

English labelling was wrong.  They were much smaller than lychee fruit,

even allowing for drying.  Would they be Suan zao ren (Ziziphus seeds)? 

I thought lycium berries were blacker (or am I thinking of ligusticum

berries?).



>> quarter-inch round slices of a hollow stem or root (probably tree

peony),

> Nope. Poria cocos, fuling.



No, the Poria was the thin white sheets that were shaved so finely they

curled.  I know poria.  This looked like a hollow, woody stick, about a

centimeter in diameter, sliced into small rounds.  



Thanks for the advice on the licorice.  I'll add it to tomorrow's batch. 





What does the morinda do in the formula?  I'm not familiar with it.  Is

it the root of  Morinda citrifolia (the N___ herb that in MLM-driven

fruit juice form violates the HERB list protocol)?



The sand- like stuff may be a small seed. This batch seemed to cook up

softer, which it probably wouldn't have if it were mineral.



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Re: A trip to the Chinese Herbalist

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:02:14 -0500

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BTW, the round hollow (peony root?) and the red berries are illustrated

on the cover of Michael Tierra's Planetary Herbology.



Paul,  is there a good illustrated book that can be used to identify

Chinese herbs?



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Subject: Re: A trip to the Chinese Herbalist

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:09:27 -0700 (MST)

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> BTW, the round hollow (peony root?) and the red berries are illustrated

> on the cover of Michael Tierra's Planetary Herbology.



Moutan. TREE peony. 



In that picture are (clockwise from top left): alisma, moutan, (the yellow

stuff is more alisma lit through the glass jar), cornus berries, lycium

berries, rehmannia, white peony.



Not a bad book, but unfortunately not entirely reliable either, btw.

 

> Paul,  is there a good illustrated book that can be used to identify

> Chinese herbs?



Plenty in Chinese. But in English, look for:



K.Y. Yen, The Illustrated Materia Medica, crude and prepared; translated by

Nigel Wiseman (our hero). SMC Publishing Inc., Taipei.1992. ISGN 957-638-076-6.



Try Redwing.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: A trip to the Chinese Herbalist

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:06:46 -0700 (MST)

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I have seen lycium berries in a Chinese grocery store: red, size comparable to

raisins.  Latin "Fructus lycii" might spawn confusion with lychee, sort of like

the closeness of jessamine to jasmine.  Yellow jessamine is not related to 

jasmine, and if you were in Jessamine County KY (just south of Lexington) and

referred to it as "Jasmine County", you might get a strange look.



Lycium belongs to family Solanaceae as does Withania somnifera (ashwagandha,

"Indian ginseng").  I have been wondering if these two herbs might produce an

adverse reaction in people who get adverse reaction to potatoes, eggplant, 

peppers (capsicum) and tomatoes.



Thomas Mueller

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Subject: Re: A trip to the Chinese Herbalist

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:19:22 -0700 (MST)

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> Lycium belongs to family Solanaceae as does Withania somnifera (ashwagandha,

> "Indian ginseng").  I have been wondering if these two herbs might

> produce an adverse reaction in people who get adverse reaction to

> potatoes, eggplant,  peppers (capsicum) and tomatoes.



Never have heard of such a thing, no. These are not really cultivars, for one

thing.



Paul







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Subject: ears!

From: luna! luna! <thessalia@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:12:40 -0800

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hi all....





with all of the herbs that are for the lungs, the immune system and the

skin you never really hear much about ear-care and hearing herbs.   at

least not in the non-professional realm like my little college world.  so

i was wondering what herbs are good for cleaning the ears, for helping

with the ringing of the ears, for guarding healing, for helping to

restore lost hearing, and basically anything on the subject.



luna 





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Subject: Re: ears!

From: "Sue M" <suzym98@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 03:35:00 PST

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I haven't tried this personally but a friend told me about when she was 

a child the naturopath her mother took her to used to drop garlic oil 

into her ears for middle ear infection that wasn't responding to 

antibiotics.  Not sure if this is the sort of thing you're after,



Regards,



Suzy







hi all....





with all of the herbs that are for the lungs, the immune system and the

skin you never really hear much about ear-care and hearing herbs.   at

least not in the non-professional realm like my little college world.  

so

i was wondering what herbs are good for cleaning the ears, for helping

with the ringing of the ears, for guarding healing, for helping to

restore lost hearing, and basically anything on the subject.



luna 







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Subject: Re: ears!

From: Kat11559@aol.com

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 09:13:24 EST

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Ear candling seems to be most effective, when it comes to clearing up my

daughters ear problems, after I candle her ears I always follow with garlic

oil.



Kathrine





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ears!

From: Gary Allord <gallord@CAPACCESS.ORG>

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 09:37:32 -0500 (EST)

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Luna,



Black sesame works to dampen ringing in the ears ( tinnitus ).  A 

teaspoon full takes away the annoying sound I have had in my ear for the 

last three decades.  The effect isn't permanent but the seeds taste good 

and are inexpensive ( 8 oz. for about 90 cents ).



Gary







On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, luna! luna! wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from luna! luna! <thessalia@juno.com>:

> 

> hi all....

> 

> 

> with all of the herbs that are for the lungs, the immune system and the

> skin you never really hear much about ear-care and hearing herbs.   at

> least not in the non-professional realm like my little college world.  so

> i was wondering what herbs are good for cleaning the ears, for helping

> with the ringing of the ears, for guarding healing, for helping to

> restore lost hearing, and basically anything on the subject.

> 

> luna 

> 





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Subject: Re: ears!

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:03:38 -0700 (MST)

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> Black sesame works to dampen ringing in the ears ( tinnitus ).  A 

> teaspoon full takes away the annoying sound I have had in my ear for the 

> last three decades.  The effect isn't permanent but the seeds taste good 

> and are inexpensive ( 8 oz. for about 90 cents ).

> 

> Gary



Yin boosting herbs will indeed correct such problems (yin def. tinnitis) on a

dose-by-dose basis, but wouldn't it be better to actually treat the yin

deficiency driving the condition, and eliminate the stimulants, irregular diet,

and lack of rest in your lifestyle?



Paul







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Subject: Our local Chinese Herbalist

From: paf@connix.com

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:08:31 -0500

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I phoned a local Chinese herbalist's office for information.  He was

actually recommended by my medical doctor, BION.  I learned this:



He charges $120 for a treatment and $35 every week for herbs.  I asked what

a "treatment" was and was told that it includes accupressure and hands-on

energy work.  I asked what the energy work consisted of and was told it

meant transmission of the "chi," or personal physical energy of the

herbalist.



My medical doctor, who has been a patient of the herbalist himself at least

once, told me that the herbalist gives no information list of herbs; he

just hands you a bag of them and tells you when to come back.  He also said

that he'd referred some of his most puzzling allergy patients to this

herbalist and that the man had made child's play out of solving their

problems.  Apparently knows his stuff.



This herbalist is located in the high-rent district of tony Westport, CT,

which may account for his very high prices.  Insurance won't help, of

course.  Too bad I can't afford him.



-Anita















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Subject: Re: Our local Chinese Herbalist

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:04:46 -0700 (MST)

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> He charges $120 for a treatment and $35 every week for herbs.  I asked what

> a "treatment" was and was told that it includes accupressure and hands-on

> energy work.  I asked what the energy work consisted of and was told it

> meant transmission of the "chi," or personal physical energy of the

> herbalist.



Pretty high rates for bulk herbs, but not surprisingly high. For comparison,

you can get a weeks worth of herbs in Chinatown anywhere for around $15-20.

[Processed herbs like I use are about $25-50 a month PER formula, or usually

about $80-100 a month for a comprehensive program. Factor into those prices the

convenience and palatability enhancements of processed herbs; for acute

conditions like colds home-decocted herbs can be more effective. Also, note

that you cannot do with one formula what you can do with several in staggered

dosing.] Obviously you need a diagnosis and 'prescription'...but you hardly

need that weekly. It looks like this healer adds the price of his consults into

the cost of herbs, which is not necessarily wrong.



Consult rates are one thing (mine, for instance, are $30 for single formula

determination; $80-110 for a comprehensive consult); treatments, bodywork, are

another topic entirely. 



Transmission of qi (influence) from the healer is of course a well-known kind

of 'faith healing,' but shiatsu and other pressure therapies work on

rearranging the qi of the client without any transmission involved. Whether any

transmission takes place is of course 'in the tasting'...the healers I know who

do transmit have hundreds of client-reports testifying to the feelings

engendered. But my point is that there is a basis for pressure bodywork without

any such transmission involved. In my own body-therapy practice, for which I

charge $50-80 (depending on travel), it is not 'transmission-based.' Dredging

out the accumulated dirt, stagnant qi, and stale blood from the channels is a

very effective method of healing chronic and acute-flareup complaints.



Hope that helps give some perspectives.



Paul







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Subject: 3 points of interest

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:47:44 EST

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Henriette has generously given me permission to take up list space for the

following:



The National Center for Homeopathy in Alexandria, Virginia here in the U.S. is

in immediate need of part-time administrative help in their offices.  Part of

the duties would include assisting with their famous summer school preparation

- sounds interesting.  Please contact Mary off-list for more information.



Also, I have been invited to speak at the Women's Conference on Health Issues

at NIH, The National Institutes of Health, here in Bethesda, Maryland,

Saturday, March 27th at 2:15 p.m.  Those wishing further information can

contact Mary S. Robinson (301) 949-2055 or contact Mary off-list.



Lastly, from time to time I have been asked if I would be willing to give

weekend classes here at the farm, actually working with the plants and making

medicines on site.  There are many hotels nearby.  Before I begin to write up

the courses and order additional plants I'd like to know if some are still

interested.  Please contact Mary off-list with your comments.



Thanks for the space -

mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

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Subject: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: "Claudia M. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionistclm@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:53:29 PST

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I have been reading one of the old messages, and

Paul mentioned that he thought Powder Herbs are

fine, and I have been in other discussions where

it is felt that tinctures are the only way to go.

I am inclined to think that there is not just one

way to go (and I may be bringing up a subject that

has been hashed through already, if so, sorry) and

would like to collect a few different opinions on

this.  I use mostly capsules, but agree that tinctures

(extracts) may get into the system more quickly, do

not like the alcohol either, however.  Also, have 

heard that some herbs give up more of their beneficial

properties into a tincture than you would gain if

you were to take capsules.  Which herbs are best

as tinctures, which as capsules?  I have a cabinet

of both, but would like to narrow things down to

what best to use in powder form and what best to

use in extract form - okay I'm starting to repeat

myself :-)  Thanks for your help.



Have a great day!



Claudia Meydrech, LCN

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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: Sarah Head <sarah.head@online.rednet.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:43:13 -0000

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Sarah Head <sarah.head@online.rednet.co.uk>:



Hi Claudia



It is very interesting how different people feel drawn to using different 

methods. I was recently at a workshop run by Christopher Hedley for the 

Herb Society. He felt that teas were the best method for delivering the 

herbal essence. On the tube going home afterwards, I was talking to a newly 

qualified medical herbalist, who said that she had been taught to use only 

tinctures.



I have not yet tried making capsules, mainly because I don't have the 

equipment and have not felt the need, although the general public is more 

used to taking "medication " in this form. If you are worried about the 

alcohol in tinctures, you can always evaporate it before giving it to 

anyone by adding a tablespoon or so of boiling water to the amount of 

tincture and letting it stand for 10 minutes. Both David Hoffman and 

Penelope Ody suggest this.



As with the decision of what herbs to treat people with, I think the method 

of delivery depends very much on the individual for whom it is meant. 

Considerations will always include age, ability to comply with treatment 

regime, ability to swallow various things etc, etc.



Henrietta commented some time ago that the powdered herbs in some 

commercial capsules tend to be made from those at the bottom of the barrel, 

which is why she preferred other methods. If you are making your own, that 

difficulty should not apply.



I shall be interested to see what others think



Best wishes



Sarah







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Subject: Re: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 21:35:23 -0500

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It depends what you want to achieve in getting value from an herb.  If

you want minerals, a tincture won't do.  Decocting or infusing overnight

seem to work.  Ingesting the powdered herbs also has value for mineral

content, but they are best softened in warm wine, hot water or yogurt. 

They may not break down sufficiently when ingested in capsule form.



Paul is right that compliance is important.  If I have a client who has

to take herbs over a long period of time, I often provide more than one

way to take the herb.  Although a decoction might be best, capsules are

important he won't take the herbs consistently otherwise.  All of us get

into patterns where we are too rushed to stop and sip tea, but I think it

important to do that some of the time.  Otherwise we never address the

lifestyle issues that got us into the problem in the first place.



In Ayurveda, herbs are mixed with a variety of substances, called

anupanas.  Typical anupanas include:  cold water, hot water, honey,

ghee(clarified butter), butter, raw sugar, herbal decoctions or infusions

(like ginger or mint tea), fruit juices, and meat soup.  Ghee is the

strongest substance in helping herbs reduce Pitta and fever; sesame oil

for the reduction of Vata;  and honey for the reduction of Kapha.  The

same medicine taken with ghee may reduce Pitta, but with honey may target

Kapha. 



I use herbal electuaries (honey pastes) for a variety of uses- fresh

lemon balm electuary is good for fever in kids.  Turmeric electuary is

good for getting large amounts in- clients who wouldn't take teaspoons of

the powder have little trouble taking the same amount as turmeric honey

paste.



Herbal vinegars are also important.  In general, lobelia is the herb best

tinctured in vinegar because it preserves the alkaloids, but the vinegar

tincture has a short shelf life.  Other herbs like red rasberry leaf,

nettles, oatstraw and red clover are frequently put into vinegar because

acid enhances their absorption.  I use them dietarily in place of salad

vinegar and to prevent osteoporosis.  The vinegar is not necessarily the

best way to get each constituent of those herbs.



Alcohol is the menstrum of choice for most herbal tinctures, especially

for resinous herbs. Something like St. John's wort or usnea which are

very resinous are best tinctured in very high proof alcohol- Everclear,

if you can get it and as warm as you can safely heat it. (Potentially

explosive unless done properly.)  For most herbs, 100 proof vodka is

fine.



Plants with long chain polysaccharides are best infused, decocted or

tinctured in low alcohol menstrums and most need a period of decoction in

water to release their constituents.  I boil ganoderma (reishi) down, for

instance and then tincture the pulp in Everclear to get out a different

set of constituents.  I mix both in a proportion that will not give more

or less than 25% alcohol needed to preserve the mix and prevent breakdown

of the polysaccharides.  I do something similar with echinacea, since it

has both saccharides and high-alcohol-dissolved constituents.  Or I

follow the Ecclectics and use 80 proof voldka, but it isn't quite as

strong.  Or glycerine and water (preferably boil water from the roots) in

60/40 proportions.



Glycerine is not as strong as alcohol as an extractive agent and I use it

primarily for children or alcohol-sensitive people.  One usually needs a

higher dosage of the glycerite.  I often use alcohol to tincture the herb

then serve it in a cup of warm water to evaporate off the alcohol

instead.



Certain herbs like echinacea which require large dosages may not be

feasible to give totally in tincture form- drunkeness is the unfortunate

side effect.  So I combine fresh capsules from a reputable herbal (not

mass market) company with tincture that provides the taste cues.  Less

alcohol is needed and the taste buds are involved.



And I usually provide nutritive herbs in strong infusions, with a full

ounce of herb placed in a quart of boiling water (to which roots like

astragalus may have been decocted), steeped covered overnight and drunk

the next day.  This gives a medicinal dose in a non-alcoholic way.



No single method gets all the constituents of a herb.  Infusions only get

the water-soluble constituents.  Some constituents are not alcohol

soluble- still others only come out in very high alcohol.  Even eating

the herb raw does not necessarily get everything because some

constituents are only released by long cooking.  This is the same

situation that food is in- you would have to eat 5 pounds of raw carrots

to get all the bioavailable nutrients out of a steamed carrot, but you

would not get the same fiber and enzyme benefit from a cooked carrot. 

You choose depending upon what you want.



Therefore there is a professional tradition that teaches what the uses of

various preparations are.  The traditions are based upon observed actions

of the various preparations.  A single herb will not be useful for the

same purpose in all forms.  For instance valerian tinctured fresh can be

used to induce sleep while the dried root often makes adrenally-stressed

people hyper.  And St. Johns wort is used differently in oil, alcohol and

tea formulas.  And a Chinese herbal formula will harmonize the actions of

several herbs so that the observed end result may actually be

contradictory to the specific action of a single buffering herb.



And there are also important ways of using herbs that use very little of

the material nature of the herbs, such as flower essences or homeopathic

preparations.  These work and I've heard hardcor scientific naturopaths

say that they find flower essences often shift things when nothing else

will work.  (I sometimes say  that I don't believe in them- because I

don't understand how they work-, but I know that they do so I use them.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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Subject: Re: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: Ginnie <ginnie@raex.com>

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 06:36:04 -0600

--------

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Karen,

  Could you please recommend a book or books on this subject. I am just

beginning to use my Herbs for something other than infused oils for Soap and

have made a few tinctures that were called for in different cosmetic

recipes. Your post was so very informative, I envy your knowledge. I would

love to learn all that I can.

Thanks,

--

Ginnie

Pine Moon SoapWorks





creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

> Therefore there is a professional tradition that teaches what the uses of

> various preparations are.  The traditions are based upon observed actions

> of the various preparations.  A single herb will not be useful for the

> same purpose in all forms.  For instance valerian tinctured fresh can be

> used to induce sleep while the dried root often makes adrenally-stressed

> people hyper.  And St. Johns wort is used differently in oil, alcohol and

> tea formulas.  And a Chinese herbal formula will harmonize the actions of

> several herbs so that the observed end result may actually be

> contradictory to the specific action of a single buffering herb.

>

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden@juno.com

> ***************************************







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:06:38 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Penelope Ody's complete Medicinal Herbal is good.  michael Moore's web

site is very good.  The Eclectic manuals show extensive often complicated

formulas.  Deborah St. Claire's The Herbal Medicine Cabinet is very good.

 Also read the archives of this list.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

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the oceans and

boundless as the skies. How many truly know it?"      The Yellow

Emperor's Classic of Medicine



On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 06:36:04 -0600 Ginnie <ginnie@raex.com> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Ginnie <ginnie@raex.com>:

>

>Karen,

>  Could you please recommend a book or books on this subject. I am 

>just

>beginning to use my Herbs for something other than infused oils for 

>Soap and

>have made a few tinctures that were called for in different cosmetic

>recipes. Your post was so very informative, I envy your knowledge. I 

>would

>love to learn all that I can.

>Thanks,

>--

>Ginnie

>Pine Moon SoapWorks

>

>

>creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:

>

>> To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>>

>> Therefore there is a professional tradition that teaches what the 

>uses of

>> various preparations are.  The traditions are based upon observed 

>actions

>> of the various preparations.  A single herb will not be useful for 

>the

>> same purpose in all forms.  For instance valerian tinctured fresh 

>can be

>> used to induce sleep while the dried root often makes 

>adrenally-stressed

>> people hyper.  And St. Johns wort is used differently in oil, 

>alcohol and

>> tea formulas.  And a Chinese herbal formula will harmonize the 

>actions of

>> several herbs so that the observed end result may actually be

>> contradictory to the specific action of a single buffering herb.

>>

>> Karen Vaughan

>> CreationsGarden@juno.com

>> ***************************************

>

>



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Subject: Re: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: "Sue M" <suzym98@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:09:41 PST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Sue M" <suzym98@hotmail.com>:



Dear Claudia,

I'm currently studying naturopathy and from the very few herbs I have 

studied there are a couple already that lose their effectiveness quite a 

bit when dried so for some its recommended that a tincture of the fresh 

herb is far more effective.  If someone does send you a list of which to 

use in which way would you be able to send it to me too please???



Regards,

Sue







To herb@MyList.net from "Claudia M. Meydrech, LCN" 

<nutritionistclm@hotmail.com>:



I have been reading one of the old messages, and

Paul mentioned that he thought Powder Herbs are

fine, and I have been in other discussions where

it is felt that tinctures are the only way to go.

I am inclined to think that there is not just one

way to go (and I may be bringing up a subject that

has been hashed through already, if so, sorry) and

would like to collect a few different opinions on

this.  I use mostly capsules, but agree that tinctures

(extracts) may get into the system more quickly, do

not like the alcohol either, however.  Also, have 

heard that some herbs give up more of their beneficial

properties into a tincture than you would gain if

you were to take capsules.  Which herbs are best

as tinctures, which as capsules?  I have a cabinet

of both, but would like to narrow things down to

what best to use in powder form and what best to

use in extract form - okay I'm starting to repeat

myself :-)  Thanks for your help.



Have a great day!



Claudia Meydrech, LCN

"A cheerful heart is good medicine.." Prov. 17:22a 



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Subject: Re: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: "Sue M" <suzym98@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:01:05 PST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Sue M" <suzym98@hotmail.com>:



**For instance valerian tinctured fresh can be

used to induce sleep while the dried root often makes adrenally-stressed 

people hyper.  



Karen Vaughan**



Karen,



Thank you so much for this.  I've always wondered why the tablet form of 

'sleeping' herbs has made me go hyper and kept me awake for hours. 

Thankyou also for the rest of the information that you gave, I found it 

really fascinating and informative.



Suzy





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Subject: Re: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 06:40:23 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:01:05 PST, "Sue M" <suzym98@hotmail.com> wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>**For instance valerian tinctured fresh can be

>used to induce sleep while the dried root often makes adrenally-stressed 

>people hyper.  



>Thank you so much for this.  I've always wondered why the tablet form of 

>'sleeping' herbs has made me go hyper and kept me awake for hours. 

>Thankyou also for the rest of the information that you gave, I found it 

>really fascinating and informative.



That is an individual response. Only Valeriana is problematic dried, the other

"sleeping herbs" (like Melissa, Lavandula, Eschscholtzia, other poppies, etc.)

work in other ways.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:03:50 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Dear Claudia,

> I'm currently studying naturopathy and from the very few herbs I have 

> studied there are a couple already that lose their effectiveness quite a 

> bit when dried so for some its recommended that a tincture of the fresh 

> herb is far more effective. 



Fresh herb therapy is a different thing from dried, of course. 'Jiang' or herb

juice treatments, however are usually single or few herb combinations, not

formulas, which as you may know form the bulk of therapies in Chinese healing. 



The pharmacopeia utilized by the Chinese is mostly dried, prepared herb

entities, which generally have marvelous potency and (the attendant) ease of

transport, storage, and use which comes with that sort of refinement of tools.



Tincturing herbs is popular in the West; far less so in the East. The question

to ask is WHY? They had plenty of alcohol in China, but never used it much for

this sort of thing, except in the case of yang boosting to slow aging, where

expensive ingredients like ginseng, deer antler, the testicles of various

animals, etc. were soaked in rice wine for up to a year, and then imbibed by

the shot during the winter. 



Alcohol itself is VERY heating, and isn't appropriate for many, many

conditions. 



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:04:36 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Thank you so much for this.  I've always wondered why the tablet form of 

> 'sleeping' herbs has made me go hyper and kept me awake for hours. 



Not necessarily due to preparation, but to essential energetic effect in your

particular health imbalance.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:04:53 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> If you are worried about the 

> alcohol in tinctures, you can always evaporate it before giving it to 

> anyone by adding a tablespoon or so of boiling water to the amount of 

> tincture and letting it stand for 10 minutes. Both David Hoffman and 

> Penelope Ody suggest this.



Evaporating the actual alcohol doesn't necessarily 'cool' the tinctured herbs.

There are still residues of the alcohol, and its 'energy.'



Unless you stir the boiling water/tincture, you won't get good evaporation

rates.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: Kevin Chisholm <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:06:22 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Kevin Chisholm <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>:



At 10:06 AM 21/02/99 -0500, creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:

>Penelope Ody's complete Medicinal Herbal is good.  michael Moore's web

>site is very good.  The Eclectic manuals show extensive often complicated

>formulas.  Deborah St. Claire's The Herbal Medicine Cabinet is very good.

> Also read the archives of this list.



Dear Karen



Thanks for the helpful leads. Would you have the URL for Michael Moore's

web site?



Kevin







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:00:05 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:06:22 -0700 (MST), Kevin Chisholm <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>>Michael Moore's

>>site is very good.  The Eclectic manuals show extensive often complicated

>>formulas.  Deborah St. Claire's The Herbal Medicine Cabinet is very good.



>Thanks for the helpful leads. Would you have the URL for Michael Moore's

>web site?



http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE - go for 

- his Manuals,

- the Other Manuals,

- the Journals,

- Felter.

Prepare for some looong hours of downloading; most of the olde works are large

(up to 8 MB each) Acrobat files.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: T B <thimbleberry@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:22:17 CST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from T B <thimbleberry@juno.com>:



An old message about this is excerpted below:

   

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

   _Sender: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

            <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

   _Date:    Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:12:36 MST

   _From:    Michael Moore <hrbmoore@RT66.COM>

   _Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba as an Aromatic



   [...]



   Sometimes you need a grumpy old Herbalist to remind you that:



   A Medicinal Plant can supply at least FIVE different levels of 

   healing, depending on HOW it is manipulated by us.



   1. The whole plant can be digested, either by eating or by 

      tincturing.



   2. The water-soluble or hydrolyzable parts can be made into tea.



   3. The "gaseous" parts can be extracted by distillation, inert 

      gases or solvents



   4. The whole plant, usually by way of a Mother Tincture, can be 

      attenuated for its Homeopathic energy.



   5. Parts of the plant can be taken out (by REMOVING everything else)

       and used in a pharmaceutical fashion.



   There are MANY more ways of course, ranging from Melification to

   etherification to burning to "Potentizing" to enfleurage to

   Flower-Remedy-Making to fermentation...etc etc.  The first five are

   the most prevalent in use in the Euro-American culture.



   EACH ONE IS A DIFFERENT MEDICINE.



   As a "Galenic" Herbalist, I use a plant for its therapeutic value

   to be found in preparation methods #1 and #2.



   Aromatherapists view the plant by its aromatic nature, #3.

   

   Some plants are good therapeutics in physiologic doses, but seem 

   to retain little "energy" when attenuated, others are drab 

   muffins as "Herbs" but are strong and useful as Homeopathic 

   Remedies.



   And so on.  A given plant may supply us with MANY different 

   therapeutic energies, all dependent upon HOW it is manipulated.



   [...]



= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =





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Subject: Re: Powder Herbs (caps)/Tinctures/Teas, etc.

From: T B <thimbleberry@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:23:11 CST

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To herb@MyList.net from T B <thimbleberry@juno.com>:



My personal experience is that some herbs work best in one form.  

E.g, a tea of one will "work" but not its tincture, and vice versa.  

I've found one herb that only works for me if eaten.  Some herbs 

need to be even smoked, which sounded silly to me at first, but upon 

studying found that it bypasses the digestive tract, and thanks to 

the large surface area of the lungs, gets into the body very 

thoroughly.



An idea I've advanced is that smoking a bit of wormwood can give 

something of the absinthe experience, bypassing the taste issue and 

many of the health risks associated with wormwood tincture.  (It also 

is a useful stimulant for *occasional* use.)



Also, the enjoyable reaction I've had with mugwort comes only from 

smoking it, and not from the tincture or tea.





Thimbleberry



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Subject: Fwd: Respiratory problems hitting your area? Here's one explanation...

From: "Sue M" <suzym98@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 21:52:18 PST

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To herb@MyList.net from "Sue M" <suzym98@hotmail.com>:



I'm on a mailing list for Aromatherapy.  I received this today.  As I 

live in Australia I have only mailings from other people asking about 

the conditions noted in the following.  Can anyone tell me if it is as 

bad as this article outlines????



Sue









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William Thomas

posted February 15,1999







SEATTLE, WA.... As formations of unmarked tanker aircraft continue to

criss-cross American skies on a mission authorities refuse to disclose, 

an

environmental laboratory has identified an extremely toxic component of 

the

spray drifting over cities and countryside.



ENS has learned that samples of oily fallout collected by farmers, truck

drivers and pilots in Maryland and Pennsylvania were tested by Aqua-Tech

Environmental of Marion, Ohio in September, 1997 and found to contain

ethylene dibromide (EDB). An extremely hazardous pesticide, EDB was 

banned

by the US Environmental Protection Agency in 1983.



But in 1991, the composition of jet fuel used by commercial and military 

jet

aircraft in the U.S. was changed from JP4 to somewhat less flammable 

JP8. A

Department of Defence source says the move "has saved some lives" in air

crashes. Ethylene dibromide is a key component of JP8.



The 1991 Chemical Hazards of the Workplace warns that repeated exposure 

to

low levels of ethylene dibromide results in "general weakness, vomiting,

diarrhea, chest pains, coughing and shortness of breath, upper 

respiratory

tract irritation" and respiratory failure caused by swelling of the 

lymph

glands in the lungs. "Deterioration of the heart, liver and kidneys, and

hemorrhages in the respiratory tract," can also result from prolonged

contact with JP8.



According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's hazardous 

materials

list: "Ethylene dibromide is a carcinogen and must be handled with 

extreme

caution." A seven-page summary of this pesticide's extreme toxicity 

notes

that EDB may also damage the reproductive system. According to the EPA,

"Exposure can irritate the lungs, repeated exposure may cause 

bronchitis,

development of cough, and shortness of breath. It will damage the liver 

and

kidneys".



Mark Witten, a respiratory physiologist at the University of Arizona in

Tucson where an official US Air Force study on JP8 was carried out, told

Scientist in March, 1998 that crew chiefs "seem to have more colds, more

bronchitis, more chronic coughs than the people not exposed to jet 

fuel."



EDB is 6.5-times heavier than air. Unlike normal contrails, the thick 

white

streamers being sprayed from downward-pointing tailbooms over at least 

39

states does not dissipate, but spreads into an overcast that refracts a

purple color in sunlight and appears suddenly as an oily film in puddles 

and

ponds.



Hundreds of photographs and videotapes made by ground observers show 

pairs

or larger formations of aircraft spreading a white mist that thickens 

and

drifts toward the ground. More than 200 eye-witnesses - including police

officers, pilots, military and public health personnel - have provided

detailed accounts of aerial spraying in characteristic "X"s and 

east-to-west

grid patterns, followed by occluded skies - and acute auto-immune 

reactions

and respiratory infections throughout affected regions.



"I keeps coughing phlegm that tastes bad," 50 year old Mary Young of

Sallisaw, Oklahoma told ENS after an aircraft sprayed her home at 

rooftop

level one night last January with something that struck the windows like

sand. "My eyes hurt, my joints hurt. I'm not catchin' my breath right. I

can't get rid of this cold. I've had this bad headache - it's not just a

headache. My eyeballs hurt so bad - way in the back - I just wish they 

would

fall out."



Severe headaches, nosebleeds, shortness of breath, joint pain and a dry

jamming hospital Emergency Rooms from coast to coast. While December and

January are traditionally bad months for asthma sufferers, patients, 

doctors

and nurses across the U.S. report hospital wards filled to overflowing 

with

bronchitis, pneumonia and acute asthma admissions at up to twice normal

winter rates.



Early last month, The News and Observer of Raleigh, North Carolina 

reported

that respiratory admissions to Durham regional hospital jumped from the

usual 184 patients a day to 247. Ambulance drivers were told that the

hospital was not receiving any more patients.



In New York City, doctors are calling a flood of respiratory cases an

epidemic. "We have people double- and triple-parked in the ER on

stretchers," Dr. Elliot Friedman, associate director of emergency 

medicine

at Jamaica Hospital Medical Center in Queens, told the New York Times on

January 31. "And there have been times when upwards of 40 people have 

been

admitted but are waiting for someone to be discharged," Friedman added.



"This high fever is not typical of other flus," Dr. Sigurd Ackerman, the

president of St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center told the 'Times 

shortly

after a TV cameraman panned up to frame lingering "X"-shaped contrails 

over

Times-Square. Dr. Robert Saken, a partner in the Soho Pediatrics Group, 

told

that newspaper,  "It was surprising to me how sick they got and how 

quickly

it happened."



Dr. Ilya Spigland, Montefiore hospital's director of virology, doesn't 

know

the reason for the sudden epidemic of respiratory cases. It is, Spigland

told the New York Times, "very possible that the increase in respiratory

infections may not be due to the flu."



That same day in Lake Havasu, California, headlines in Today's News 

Herald

announced: "Victims curse unnamed bug, but can't call it the 'flu'." MD 

Mary

Lou Callername told the Herald "that a nameless virus is bringing at 

least

10 patients a day into her office and driving some into the hospital, 

but

laboratory tests show only a few are suffering from Type A or other

identifiable strains of influenza."



The previous weekend, after San Francisco resident Curtis Schumann 

noticed

"sky grids in the making," and Melanie Zucker watched nine contrails 

being

woven over Berkeley, local TV stations reported Bay area emergency rooms

inundated with flu-like cases.



In Seattle - where a resident reports "I've lived here for 26 years 

never

seeing this number of contrails at once" - pneumonia patient Lowell 

Barger

told ENS that in the hospital where he was admitted in late January, 

"their

respiratory ward was overflowing with people, and they were having to 

put

respiratory patients in other wards." At that time, a resident of 

Spokane

listening to a police radio scanner told ENS he heard "many rescue calls 

for

people with breathing difficulties."



In Palmyra, New Jersey, shortly after Lucrecia Moon watched unusual

lingering contrails from a McDonald's restaurant, a nurse reported "many

people ill." In Las Vegas, Nevada, TV news coverage told of area 

hospitals

being filled with people experiencing breathing problems.



After a resident of Lexington, Kentucky watched helicopters circling the

city for several days, flying low overhead at 3 a.m., "the sky looked 

like a

giant checkerboard from the planes criss-crossing it, and the air still 

had

the steel mill smell." According to this eye-witness, "Everyone here is

sick. So far six counties have closed all the schools because all the

students were sick with 'flu-like symptoms'.  I've been having 

headaches, a

sore throat, and an annoying, hacking cough for the past four months and 

it

seems to get worse after I see these aircraft circling the area."



Similar "chem trails" sightings continue to be reported over Phoenix,

Arizona. The January 28, 1999 edition of Arizona Republic reported that 

"The

incidence of bronchial problems in Phoenix this month is 237

hospitalizations vs. last year at 160 or so."



At the same time, hospitals in Portland, Oregon; Marietta, Georgia;

Chandler, Arizona, Bakersfield, Santa Cruz, Redding and Salinas, 

California

- and other cities across the nation - were jammed with bronchitis,

pneumonia and other acute respiratory cases after repeated spraying and

cobweb-like fallout was reported in those regions.



"We're getting sprayed real heavily with the contrails," a south

Pennsylvania resident told ENS. "It's just total saturation." As 

overfilled

Pennsylvania hospitals were forced to divert respiratory emergencies to

other facilities with bed space, another south-central Pennsylvania

resident, Deborah Kammerer, looked out her window and watched aircraft

"flying and dispersing over the city. It was supposed to be a clear 

sunny

day. It became more overcast as the day progressed. I observed how the 

white

trails widened out and settled down creating a haze over everything."



South Florida resident Karen Okenica told ENS she has watched on several

occasions as contrails "criss-crossed or ran parallel to each other. 

They

did not dissipate but got thicker and stayed in the sky for quite a 

while."

Okenica says she became frightened after gazing through Nikon binoculars 

and

noticing an all-white jet with "plumes" coming from the rear of the 

plane.



In early December, local newspaper reported that Bethesda Memorial and

Delray Community hospitals were full and could not accommodate any more

patients.



The January 7 Philadelphia Daily News reported that "Emergency Room

patients overflowed into the hallways at West Jersey Hospital in Berlin,

New Jersey, and ambulance crews were temporarily diverted to other

institutions as a wave of respiratory illnesses swept the area." At

Northern Westchester County Hospital, "there was a 24 hour waiting

period to get in."



In Manitou, Michigan, Registered Nurse Kim Korte was driving north on

M52, when she noticed "stripes" in the sky. "It appeared as if someone

took white paint on their fingers and from north to south ran their 

fingers

through the sky. These contrails were evenly spaced and covered the

whole sky!" from east to west.



Within 24 hours, Korte became very weak and feverish. After her

boyfriend told her that "many in his family started coming down with the

same complaints," the RN "started noticing alot of my patients and

their family members were coming down with these symptoms at the

same time." On checking with her colleagues, the former hospital

supervisor learned that other nurses and physicians were complaining

"of being extremely busy with respiratory diagnoses."



In Austin, Texas - where Richard Young reports that "The skies here are

filled almost daily with trails crossing each other" - a school nurse

told a worried parent that she had seen over 100 sick children in a 

single

day.



Where is the mass media's reporting of this mass phenomenon? Indications 

of

a concerted cover-up came on February 11, when a retired Southern 

Baptist

preacher named Everett Burton finally succeeded in reaching C-span. 

After

voicing his opinion on the Clinton impeachment trial, this former 

minister

told Americans to get a copy of the Constitution and read it to realize 

what

they have lost. Rev. Burton then advised viewers not to take his word 

for

what was happening in the US -  but to "just look up in the skies as the

planes regularly spray contrails across the skies, spraying people and

making them ill." At this point, Rev. Burton was cut off. The screen 

flipped

from C-span to the Tennessee state seal, remained silent for several 

minutes.



Americans are not alone in their anxious bewilderment and suffering. In

England, after lingering contrails and cobweb-like fallout were reported

over London and Birmingham, the BBC reported on January 14 that

more than 8,000 people - mostly elderly - died from pneumonia and

other respiratory complications in the last week of December and the

first two weeks of January, 1999.



According to the BBC, in early January of this year, more than 97,100 

people

in England and Wales were stricken with respiratory ailments in a single

week - almost double the usual rate. Ambulances in the Greater 

Manchester

and Mersey region were each dealing with more than 1,000 calls every day 

-

almost twice the norm. Norfolk and Norwich suffered such an unexpected

increase in deaths, a refrigerated semi-trailer capable of holding 36 

bodies

was pressed into service as a temporary morgue. [see BBC photo]



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Olive Leaf Extract

From: Tony Cirpulis <tonyvac@juno.com>

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 01:12:45 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Tony Cirpulis <tonyvac@juno.com>:



Hi,

Does anyone have any info or views about using Olive leaf extract? A

friend of mine has done some reading about it, and it almost sounds like

some kind of miracle herb. There are claims that it even kills Herpes

virus ..



Anyone know of it, or  have any experience with it ??



Thanks,



>Hugs<

  Tony





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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Olive Leaf Extract

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 07:16:54 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:



Tony.



>Does anyone have any info or views about using Olive leaf extract? A

>friend of mine has done some reading about it, and it almost sounds like

>some kind of miracle herb. There are claims that it even kills Herpes

>virus ..



>Anyone know of it, or  have any experience with it ??



I'm not sure if this qualifies as an herbal, so I'll be brief.  The extract

does indeed seem to be remarkably effective against virtually any pathogen,

but that is dependent on there being a sufficient quantity of the "active

constituent" in the bottle of extract you end up taking.  The only

manufacturer who's product meets this standard is Eden Park.  Others only

claim up to 10% of this amount.



However, if you buy Olive Leaf Extract from Eden Park, make sure that you

request the

latest lot number and find out when it was manufactured.  Although the

manufacturer claims a shell life of several years, the experience of AIDS

patients and lab analysis indicates that the active ingredient declines

significantly after about 6-8 months.



There is a relatively simple decoction method available to make a more

consistent home "extract" using the Manzanila(sp?) olive leaves.  I would be

glad to forward it to anyone requesting it, off list.  I can also provide

contact info for Eden Park (nci).



Marie Winston

marie.winston@worldnet.att.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Olive Leaf Extract

From: Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 07:59:42 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:



The only

manufacturer who's product meets this standard is Eden Park.  Others only

claim up to 10% of this amount.



Mary, 

not that I doubt your claim but could you direct me to a source that could

substaintiate this claim..



Thanks!





Lucinda Jenkins

Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

Fine Teas, Herbs, Spices, Fine Quality Soaps

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs/customers.html





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Olive Leaf Extract

From: Rainbow Press <rainbowpress@mindspring.com>

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:22:39 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Rainbow Press <rainbowpress@mindspring.com>:



Hello Tony,

My husband & I have been taking this  Olive Leaf Extract now for over 4

mos...we  were both diagnosed with Epstein Barr Virus & since taking this

herb...have not been as tired!

 I don't know everything about it, but have read quite a bit. And what I

read is good...very, very good & you are right, it's sounds like a miracle

cure...it could very well be!!!! From what we've seen on TBN (Dr. To Dr.

with Dr. Helen Pensanti) the expert she had on said, Olive Leaf will kill

the DNA of the virus in the body! So, if that's the case...it truly is a

miracle cure...they are doing extensive research 'as we speak' on all types

of bad diseases...too many to list here.



All I can say is that when we ran out of the Olive Leaf, Don nor I either

one felt as good, so we went right out & got some more...haven't been off

of it since!

I have recommended it to several people who had shingles (a form of Herpes,

I think it's the simplex type, but don't quote me!)...and they have had

great relief with this herb! My cousin said, he is 80% improved, to him

it's a god-send!



With such wonderful results, I say, what has a body got to loose in trying

it for yourself?

I would also recommend that you take Milk Thistle with it to help cleanse

the liver...I do this as well!



Hope this helps you some!

Darcy 0:)



>

>Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 01:12:45 -0800

>From: Tony Cirpulis <tonyvac@juno.com>

>Subject: Olive Leaf Extract

>

>

>

>Hi,

>Does anyone have any info or views about using Olive leaf extract? A

>friend of mine has done some reading about it, and it almost sounds like

>some kind of miracle herb. There are claims that it even kills Herpes

>virus ..

>

>Anyone know of it, or  have any experience with it ??

>

>Thanks,

>

>>Hugs<

>  Tony

>









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Olive Leaf Extract

From: paf@connix.com

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:43:01 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:



I tried it for 2 months while fighting Lyme disease (bacterial disease) and

noticed no improvement while on it, nor any difference when I discontinued

it.

-Anita



At 1:12 AM -0800 2/21/99, Tony Cirpulis wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Tony Cirpulis <tonyvac@juno.com>:

>

>Hi,

>Does anyone have any info or views about using Olive leaf extract? A

>friend of mine has done some reading about it, and it almost sounds like

>some kind of miracle herb. There are claims that it even kills Herpes

>virus ..

>

>Anyone know of it, or  have any experience with it ??

>

>Thanks,

>

>>Hugs<

>  Tony







--



paf@connix.com









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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Olive Leaf Extract

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:30:45 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:









>>The only

>>manufacturer who's product meets this standard is Eden Park.  Others only

>>claim up to 10% of this amount.



>Mary,

>not that I doubt your claim but could you direct me to a source that could

>substaintiate this claim..



Lucinda,



Sorry about my choice of phrasing, I was not intending to make a claim as I

have no interest in the company.  Let me rephrase that to say that I have

searched for another source that even comes close to the 190mg. per 500mg.

capsule that East Park offers as Eden Extract.  The nearest thing I have

found claimed to have 25mg. and the studies have shown that the East Park

product is ineffective once it deteriorates to this concentration.



All of the many tests that I am aware of, that show such tremendous

outcomes, against numerous pathogens (including those involved in Aids, and

suspected as triggers in CFS & Fibromyalgia)  were performed using fresh

Eden Extract.  I do not claim to know of every manufacturer who has jumped

on the band wagon and now offers an olive leaf extract.  Nor can I guarantee

that tests haven't been performed using these products.



Sorry for the confusion,

Marie

marie.winston@worldnet.att.net







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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Olive Leaf Extract

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:47:33 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:



Tony,



>>constituent" in the bottle of extract you end up taking.  The only

>>manufacturer who's product meets this standard is Eden Park.  Others



>Do you really mean Eden Park? Or did you mean East Park??? If you did

>mean Eden Park yes I would like to have the source to get it.  Also what

>is the percentage of the active ingredient of that product.?





Yes, sorry.  The name of the extract is Eden Extract, but the manufacturer

is East Park.  The olive tree in ? has as it's common name Manzanillo,

species olea europaea.  You can buy this olive pickled purely in brine

and/or vinegar (Spanish olives are processed in Lye to remove the

bitterness).  There are several brands available in the supermarkets.  They

usually come as cracked green Greek olives.  These still have some medicinal

qualities, but no one is sure just how much.  I enjoy them and think of them

as immune boosting.



Marie

marie.winston@worldnet.att.net







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Ginkgo Biloba

From: "Fred Shunk" <fshunk@ejourney.com>

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:11:36 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Fred Shunk" <fshunk@ejourney.com>:



I have been using Ginkgo Biloba for more than a year now. After the

first couple of months I suddenly noticed I could hear the alarm on

my wristwatch and the alarm on our oven timer. The oven timer was

quit startling because I had never heard it before. I had set it

and asked my wife to let me know when it went off.  When it went

off I heard it and didn't know what it was at first.



I have had a constant ringing in my ears, Tinitus, for 25 years

more or less, probably, caused by prolonged exposure to factory

noise. This ringing blocked out, or masked, sounds at or near the

same pitch preventing me from hearing things like the alarm beeps.

Doctors have told me it is not curable and I have to live with it.



Now the ringing is almost completely gone. It does fade back in

from time to time but does not seem to be loud enough to

substantially effect my regained hearing.  When I'm outdoors I also

notice that there seems to be a lot more birds around.  I expect

I'm hearing bird calls that I had been unable to hear for years.



I am taking 800mg twice daily. The only other herbs I take is

Echinacea. If you don't already take Ginkgo Biloba and you suffer

from Tinitus you might want to give it a try.



I would like to hear if any one else has had similar experience

Ginkgo Biloba.





Sincerely;



Fred Shunk

Independent Agent for

Tariff Management Consultants Inc.



http://www.telecom-pros.com/members/jjs









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Ginkgo Biloba

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:03:22 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



If you are not taking the echinacea for an infection, I would discontinue

it.  Echinacea is not a tonic herb that you take to build your immune

system.  For that take astragalus, reishi or nettles.  Better yet, let us

know why you take it and what your symptoms are, and while we cannot

diagnose or prescribe, we can tell you something about the suitability of

alternatives for your particular situation..



Gingko is a cerebiovascular tonifier which has documented beneficial

effects on vertigo and tinnitus, as well as source of antioxidants  and

flavanoids.  



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

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the oceans and

boundless as the skies. How many truly know it?"      The Yellow

Emperor's Classic of Medicine



On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:11:36 -0500 "Fred Shunk" <fshunk@ejourney.com>

writes:



>I am taking 800mg twice daily. The only other herbs I take is

>Echinacea. If you don't already take Ginkgo Biloba and you suffer

>from Tinitus you might want to give it a try.



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To: "herb@MyList.net" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: sinus headaches

From: diane downs <rdowns@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:07:26 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from diane downs <rdowns@ix.netcom.com>:



They don't want to go away.  Please help me.



My husband continually suffers off and on from sinus

headaches but

refuses to see Dr.  Could anyone please send useful

information on how

to help him. Have been told to give him nettle but an

unsure of dosage

or side affects.



Thank You, Trish.













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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: sinus headaches

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:12:31 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 2/21/99 8:06:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,

rdowns@ix.netcom.com writes:



<< They don't want to go away.  Please help me.

 

 My husband continually suffers off and on from sinus

 headaches but

 refuses to see Dr.  Could anyone please send useful

 information on how

 to help him. Have been told to give him nettle but an

 unsure of dosage

 or side affects.

 

 Thank You, Trish. >>



Hi Trish -



The absolutely best thing I have seen for sinus headaches is a remedy made by

Natra Bio (nci) and sold in health food stores.  This is a homeopathic remedy

and is a combination of: Euphorbium, Antimonium Tartaricum, Kali Bichromium,

Sponga Tosta, Hepar Sulphuris Calcareum.  Of all of the remedies I have tried

with clients over the years two have worked - constitutional homeopathy, and

the above product.  There are aromatic herbs that you can add to your baths to

assist with breathing and the stopped up sinus pressure such as eucalyptus oil

and lavenders, and they do help some.  Maybe someone has other suggestions.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.











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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: sinus headaches

From: "Jan Schmidt" <jans@rnet.com>

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:30:27 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Jan Schmidt" <jans@rnet.com>:





There are aromatic herbs that you can add to your baths to

>assist with breathing and the stopped up sinus pressure such as eucalyptus

oil

>and lavenders, and they do help some.  Maybe someone has other suggestions.

>

>In health -

>Mary

>

>Mary L. Conley, MNH

>The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

>Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

>Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

>***************************

>My comments are instructional only.

>Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.

>

mary,

 We have tremendous amont of sinus suffering in our local regio, We are on

the Mississippi River. Much moisture and humidty and mold. My family use the

herbal heating bags We spray them down with Peppermint, lavender,

Eucalyptus, and Spearmin eo blended in sterile water. We then heat in

microwave and wrap around fore head, neck adn or chest. WOrks like a charm.

The warm moist heat with hte penetrating EO's are s nice and sothning.

HTH,

Jan S.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: sinus headaches

From: RP <palemoon@bestweb.net>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:45:01 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from RP <palemoon@bestweb.net>:



There is an excellent book called "Sinus Survival" (available through

Amazon.com) that discusses new ways (life style changes, alternative

medicine approaches) to cure sinus problems.



R.



diane downs wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from diane downs <rdowns@ix.netcom.com>:

>

> They don't want to go away.  Please help me.

>

> My husband continually suffers off and on from sinus

> headaches but

> refuses to see Dr.  Could anyone please send useful

> information on how

> to help him. Have been told to give him nettle but an

> unsure of dosage

> or side affects.

>

> Thank You, Trish.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: sinus headaches

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 05:15:52 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> The absolutely best thing I have seen for sinus headaches is a

> remedy made by Natra Bio (nci) and sold in health food stores.  This

> is a homeopathic remedy and is a combination of: Euphorbium,

> Antimonium Tartaricum, Kali Bichromium, Sponga Tosta, Hepar

> Sulphuris Calcareum.



Not only not herbs, but combination therapy for chronic illness with

homeopathics is HIGHLY controversial. Don't get me started!



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:  Re: sinus headaches

From: VetiverGal@aol.com

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:58:47 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from VetiverGal@aol.com:





In a message dated 22/2/99 9:48:55 am, you wrote:



<<There is an excellent book called "Sinus Survival" (available through

Amazon.com) that discusses new ways (life style changes, alternative

medicine approaches) to cure sinus problems.

>>



I addressed my sinus problems with craniosacral therapy. I saw a cranial

osteopath (I live in England) who treated me and I haven't had my annual

whopper of a sinus infection in two years.  She explained that sinus troubles

can be caused by misalignments of the cranium. I have a very high palate and

that was part of the picture too. I recommend this treatment very highly. It

can't hurt and it may help. I think the the USA you can find a practitioner by

contacting the Upledger Institute.



be well,

Amy





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To: "herb@MyList.net" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: hives

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:05:27 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:



Hi all, just have a few minutes them have to get off.

I need quick and good advice.  I have HIVES

and I need them gone quick.  I have several herbs

and vitamins in the house. So hopefully I will have

what is suggested.

itchingly yours

Harriett



PS Daughter is doing very good, blood sugars mostly normal.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: hives

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:18:23 -0700 (MST)

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> I have HIVES

> and I need them gone quick.



Hives is often associated with liver imbalances, such as rushed lifestyles.



In winter and early spring, dryness is a major problem. Add more oil to your

diet, and smear it on the skin. Sesame oil is very good for itching skin.



Paul







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: hives

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:55:21 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



> I need quick and good advice.  I have HIVES

> and I need them gone quick.



A good way to hasten the process is to use Yarrow.  Lots of yarrow and hot.

Most eruptive diseases will do their erupting and get better when

diaphoretics are used.  It will encourage the body to do what is necessary.

The eruption is part of the body's natural processes in trying to deal with

whatever foreign body or other inflammation is the real problem.

Bathing the body in soda water is helpful to deal with the itching.

Do you know what caused your hives?







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: hives

From: awilloby@enternet.co.nz

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:47:47 -0800

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> I need quick and good advice.  I have HIVES

> and I need them gone quick.  



Try urtica urens cream applied topically - haven't tried with hives 

but works with most itching skin complaints.



Cheers



Alan



Alan Willoughby

PO Box 296, Tauranga, New Zealand

Phone/fax 64 7 5443087





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: herbs for excessive sweating

From: SDE <sher@softhome.net>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:10:12 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from SDE <sher@softhome.net>:



I maintain a web site (http://cool.icetorm.com/hyper) that deals with

hyperhydrosis/hyperhidrosis (excessive sweating) and facial blushing.

Aside from the usual herbs (i.e. Kava Kave, St. John's Wort, Sage, etc.) is

there any other herb that would help alleviate this condition?



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.





Sherwin











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herbs for excessive sweating

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:18:56 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I maintain a web site (http://cool.icetorm.com/hyper) that deals with

> hyperhydrosis/hyperhidrosis (excessive sweating) and facial blushing.

> Aside from the usual herbs (i.e. Kava Kave, St. John's Wort, Sage, etc.) is

> there any other herb that would help alleviate this condition?



Excessive sweating results from heat in excess cases, or from qi deficiency in

deficiency cases. None of the herbs you mention treat either cause at root.



Paul







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: herbs for excessive sweating

From: "Toney Edwards" <toney@cybersouth.com>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:37:30 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Toney Edwards" <toney@cybersouth.com>:



Excessive sweating is also a symptom of Graves disease(hyperthyroidism), and

relief may be found taking tincture of bugleweed. If other symproms of

Graves are present a combination of bugleweed, motherwort, skullcap, and

hawthorn in a tincture will help allievate the symptoms.

toney edwards







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Masai?

From: WhisperMtH@aol.com

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:30:44 EST

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Would someone please identify this herb for me?  Masai is the only name I have

go on.  Thank you..........Rose 





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To: Herb list <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Guggula

From: jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:33:56 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>:



I have a question on guggula. I purchased some of the herb by bulk. My 

brother took some home with him and has been taking it. I saw in the 

contraindications that it should not be taken with a active urinary tract 

infection of skin rash. As far as anyone knew he was having no UTI. When he 

starts taking it he has burning sensations when he urinates. He comes off 

of it and it clears up. When he starts back on it it starts back. Any 

ideas?      Thanks         John     jfoster@ebicom.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Guggula

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:35:51 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



Guggul is heating and pungent.  It could produce burning in someone who

already is on the "hot" side either by constitution or by imbalance if

taken in significant quantities.  It is a good approach to tissue clearing

and rejuvenation for chronic conditions, but is not a good idea in kidney

inflammations or acute skin rashes.  



Why is your brother taking the guggul?  There are several guggul

combinations--the choice of use depends on the imbalance or condition

needed correction.



Aliceann Carlton 





At 05:33 PM 2/22/99 -0600, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>:

>

>I have a question on guggula. I purchased some of the herb by bulk. My 

>brother took some home with him and has been taking it. I saw in the 

>contraindications that it should not be taken with a active urinary tract 

>infection of skin rash. As far as anyone knew he was having no UTI. When he 

>starts taking it he has burning sensations when he urinates. He comes off 

>of it and it clears up. When he starts back on it it starts back. Any 

>ideas?      Thanks         John     jfoster@ebicom.net

>

>

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Tooth root canal filling - off topic??

From: awilloby@enternet.co.nz

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:25:07 -0800

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Hi all



I apologize in advance if this is off topic, but I don't know where 

else to turn.



Several days ago I had really bad toothache and was told by my 

dentist that a tooth had a dead nerve in it and needed a root canal 

filling.  He cleaned it out and put in an antibiotic dressing, and it 

stopped hurting and is now fine.  However, it needs a proper filling 

and this is scheduled for 1 March.



Today I went to my acupuncturist (who is fixing my chronic back 

pain very well) and mentioned about the root canal filling (as it at 

my normal acupuncture time).  He was most emphatic in telling me 

to have the tooth out, do not have the root canal filled.  He 

considered this to be a seriously life threatening operation as it 

weakened the meridian through that tooth and increased by many 

thousand times the likelihood of cancer within the organs of that 

meridian.



So I now have a critical decision to make - lose a tooth, which I am 

reluctant to do, or retain the tooth and possibly increase the risk of 

cancer many times.



Do any list members have any advice or can anyone suggest an 

acupuncture or other URL I could visit for more info.



Again, apologies for off-topic post.



TIA



Cheers



Alan



Alan Willoughby

PO Box 296, Tauranga, New Zealand

Phone/fax 64 7 5443087





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: weak digestion, was Re(2): Herb-Skin Bleaching

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 03:54:31 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Thank you, I will make these suggestions to my friend. How does one know

> if the organs are weak and disharmonized and in need of herbal therapy?

> Marie



If symptoms remain after lifestyle has been corrected.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: White area over mouth & herbs for Third World travel

From: LYNEVAJ@aol.com

Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:58:27 EST

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Much has been discussed about dark area over the mouth but what does a white

area--very noticeably white--indicate?  If on a man would be where a mustache

would naturally grow.  Also if I may take advantage and ask two separate --

maybe not so separate -- questions, I will be going on a photo safari to

Tanzania next week to view and follow the Great Migration.  As I take prilosec

for GERD, feel my stomach is already compromised and though we will be

drinking bottled water and staying in tent camps I would HATE to come down

with something--anything and am also subject to URI's, mostly because of

allergies I suspect.  Gee that sounds like an invalid talking but I'm really

healthy for the most part, eat lot's of veggies and salads, little red meat,

drink prodigious amounts of water, mint tea, some green tea and some red wine.

Herb garden a lot, work long hours and walk as often as possible though don't

know if any of that is pertinent.  ANY advice will be valued.  Especially

about the Africa trip.  

Oh yeah, got yellow fever shot 2 weeks ago.  Our guide insists we take malaria

tablets, the once a week kind but nearly everyone I've talked with said they

made them ill.  Herbal remedies?  I'll be taking herbal insect repellent but

he says must take the tablets anyway ?!?

Thanks to all who take the time to respond.

Lyn





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: White area over mouth & herbs for Third World travel

From: Crazymtqt@aol.com

Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:23:54 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Crazymtqt@aol.com:



I am new to this list and new to the interest of herbs, will someone please

point me in the direction to look for looking at ones self and seeing the

different indacations of problems........like the white over mouth or dark. 



thank you,

carol jo





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: White area over mouth

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:03:34 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Much has been discussed about dark area over the mouth but what does a white

> area--very noticeably white--indicate? 



Cold in the large intestine and its channel. WAY too much cold food, fruit,

algae, etc.



Paul







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: recovering from pneumonia

From: "Tera Gram" <teragram@silcom.com>

Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:45:51 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "Tera Gram" <teragram@silcom.com>:



I just spent 4 days in the hospital with pneumonia which arose from a bad

case of this year's flu. (Would love to have those vaccinations, but I'm

allergic to the base serums!).



Anyway, they've got me on three medicines which screw with the blood's sugar

balance.  In essence, I am now a temporary diabetic until I finish my drug

therapy.



Does anyone have any suggestions of herbs which will help me keep my blood

glucose down near where it should be?



Thanks in advance,



- Tera.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: recovering from pneumonia

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 04:27:49 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:45:51 -0700 (MST), "Tera Gram" <teragram@silcom.com>

wrote to <herb@MyList.net>:



>I just spent 4 days in the hospital with pneumonia which arose from a bad

>case of this year's flu. (Would love to have those vaccinations, but I'm

>allergic to the base serums!).



Take thyme (any species with strong taste and scent) and/or sage (Salvia off.)

tea, for about two months every year. That will strengthen your lungs so you

won't get pneumonia the next time a bad flu makes its rounds.



>Anyway, they've got me on three medicines which screw with the blood's sugar

>balance.  In essence, I am now a temporary diabetic until I finish my drug

>therapy.



For how long? Days? Weeks? Months?



>Does anyone have any suggestions of herbs which will help me keep my blood

>glucose down near where it should be?



You want to keep track of the glycemic index of your foods. You'll get a lot of

good info on that with a simple websearch - I had a particular teleport.com page

in mind, but can't find it now. 

Anyway, avoid foods with high glycemic index, or mix them with low glycemic

index foods.



Herbs which will keep your blood sugar low:

- Brickellia leaf

- Bilberry leaf. However, if you overdo it (too long) you'll have arbutine

poisoning (if that's what it's called. I forget).

- Some people swear by bean shells - I have no details, I haven't tried them,

nor seen anybody else take them



Among the fad herbs you'll find guggul. In the Ayurvedic system it's taken

together with some other herbs; I believe it might be a tad harsh on its own.

However, this is pure conjecture on my part.



Good luck.

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: recovering from pneumonia

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:30:11 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>:







On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:45:51 -0700 (MST) "Tera Gram"

<teragram@silcom.com> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Tera Gram" <teragram@silcom.com>:

>

>I just spent 4 days in the hospital with pneumonia which arose from a 

>bad

>case of this year's flu. (Would love to have those vaccinations, but 

>I'm

>allergic to the base serums!).

>

>Anyway, they've got me on three medicines which screw with the blood's 

>sugar

>balance.  In essence, I am now a temporary diabetic until I finish my 

>drug

>therapy.

>

>Does anyone have any suggestions of herbs which will help me keep my 

>blood

>glucose down near where it should be?

>

>Thanks in advance,

>

>- Tera.



Obviously you are in the care of an allopathic physician. Some people

like Vanadyl sulfate and chromium picolinate which are sold as

supplements and not herbs.  Use and dosage should be consulted with your

physician.  Pushing fluids with innocuous herbal teas from the

supermarket such as ginger combinations or peppermint combinations can do

no harm.   Licorice, especially deglyccerized (spelling?) licorice root

might have the property you are looking for and that would be from a

healthfood store.  Good luck, Marcia

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: recovering from pneumonia

From: Tony Cirpulis <tonyvac@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:21:13 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Tony Cirpulis <tonyvac@juno.com>:



.  Pushing fluids with innocuous herbal teas from 

>the supermarket such as ginger combinations or peppermint combinations 

>can do no harm.   Licorice, especially deglyccerized (spelling?) 

>licorice root

>might have the property you are looking for and that would be from a

>healthfood store.  Good luck, Marcia >  



Take care with Licorice if you have high blood pressure!! I will raise

blood pressure levels..



> Hugs <

   Tony





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To: "herb mailing list" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: pneumonia

From: "Mike & Linda Shipley" <n5wuh@ionet.net>

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:27:15 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Mike & Linda Shipley" <n5wuh@ionet.net>:



I have been using mullein infusion for a few months and it has gotten me

through this terrible "crud" everyone seems to have. I usually get

bronchitis or pneumonia every year. I did get strap throat but no bronchitis

for a change! Mullein infusion has REALLY helped me. I am interested in the

thyme and sage tea. I will probably try the infusion method for a stronger

tea. I have a whole pound of mullein though. Guess I will work my way

through it anyway.

Linda S.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: pneumonia

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:43:30 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:27:15 -0600, "Mike & Linda Shipley" <n5wuh@ionet.net>

wrote to "herb mailing list" <herb@MyList.net>:



>I have been using mullein infusion for a few months and it has gotten me

>through this terrible "crud" everyone seems to have. I usually get

>bronchitis or pneumonia every year. I did get strap throat but no bronchitis

>for a change! Mullein infusion has REALLY helped me. I am interested in the

>thyme and sage tea. I will probably try the infusion method for a stronger

>tea. I have a whole pound of mullein though. Guess I will work my way

>through it anyway.



Mullein (Verbascum sp.) is a great lung herb, and it's also soothing to the

stomach. On top of that it's got a whopper of an anti-inflammatory effect. 

And, of course, it's the best herb we have for earaches (infuse in oil, put into

small dropper bottles, label).



The difference between mullein and the thyme/sage approach is this: 

You got the flu? Right now? With a cough? Do some mullein leaf or flower tea.

You want to avoid getting this lung grunge next time around? Do some thyme

(Thymus sp.) or sage (Salvia) tea, for a couple of months.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Bilberry problems

From: paf@connix.com

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:25:26 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:



Henriette mentioned problems due to lengthy use of bilberry, as follows:



>- Bilberry leaf. However, if you overdo it (too long) you'll have arbutine

>poisoning (if that's what it's called. I forget).



I'd like to learn  more about the toxicity of bilberry overuse: How long,

and how much is too much, the symptoms of toxicity, etc.



tia, Anita





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Regulation of Chinese Herbalists 

From: paf@connix.com

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:35:37 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:



Today Yahoo! news has an article re: investigation and subsequent calls for

regulation of Chinese herbalists in Britain.   Check it out, gang, see what

you think. My own view is that licensed medical doctors have sponsored more

drug reactions, harmful side effects, and drug interactions than all the

Chinese herbalists in the world, laid end to end. -Anita



http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/hl/story.html?s=v/nm/19990226/hl/herb3_1.ht

ml





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Hives

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:43:51 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>:



	Somebody expressed serious feeling about hives.   It can be serious. 

Personally I have had three different kinds of hives---size, shape and

color of lesions and overall patterning.  One episode a fast moving hot

rash that occurred twice in relation to eating fish.  The first

occurrence I ran to the shower and showered off and had my husband giving

me water and massive doses of vitamin C.  The next occurrence occurred at

work and I was driven to a local hospital where they watched it fade in

front of them( doctor, resident and nurse), with relief from benadryl by

mouth.  I learned that the next occurence of  eating this very tasty

food, could be a trigger for anaphylactic shock  for me.   There may be

some herbs that can flush out  whatever can trigger this very dangerous

histamine response, and baths in either baking soda ( not washing soda)

and/or diluted constarch and or colloidal oatmeatl ( If you know that you

are not allergic to corn or oats) may relieve some of the skin, and over

the counter anti-itch and or healthfood store creams like callendula and

or  other items that might be recommended might relieve the skin surface.

  



However, the fact that hives are a symptom, and learning the triggers and

preventing worse than break-outs is very necessary should be an indicator

to seek  a trained professional, alternative or allopathic, for your

sake. Good luck, good health and good caution.   Marcia

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Hives

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 00:12:02 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:



Marcia V Grossbard wrote:



> ...to seek  a trained professional, alternative or allopathic, for your

> sake. Good luck, good health and good caution.   Marcia

> ___________________________________________________________________



  Thanks Marsha,

I did have to seek medical attention.  The chiropractor suggested something

but it did not work so after trying everything and I mean everything possable

I got a prescription drug(s).  I still have a couple left but they are going

away.

These were caused by unpreventable stress in my life.  Doc says I need to go

out in the yard and  " throw a hissy fit"  not my style thank you very much.

So I got extra st John and kava kava and extra B vitamins too. I am meditating

although the first evening all I could think of was "I am itching..." now I am

able

to think about peaceful times.  I have purposely not read the newspapers or

listened

to the news to keep negative things out of my mind.  When I am over this I will

need advice of how to detox atarax and benedryl from my body.

 (forced to become an "expert" in childhood diabetes)

Harriett







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Brickellia/recovering from pneumonia

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 02:14:25 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



Henriette,



You mention brickellia leaf as helping keep blood sugar low.  What is 

brickellia, where does it grow, and what family does it belong to?  Most people

on this list, myself included, have probably never heard of it, and probably

most herb dealers never heard of it either.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Brickellia/recovering from pneumonia

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:56:05 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 02:14:25 -0500, tmueller@bluegrass.net wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>You mention brickellia leaf as helping keep blood sugar low.  What is 

>brickellia, where does it grow, and what family does it belong to?  Most people

>on this list, myself included, have probably never heard of it, and probably

>most herb dealers never heard of it either.



Most any SW US curandera will know it by the name Hamula, or perhaps Prodigiosa.

I've seen it grow in the SW US desert, and in the Rockies in southern Colorado.



It's in the Asteraceae, but its growth habit is like a mint. I've a picture of

it on my site, and Michael Moore probably has pic(s) of it on his site:

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE .



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Regulation of Chinese Herbalists Yahoo! news article

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 04:03:31 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



Regarding that Yahoo news article on investigation and calls for regulation on

Chinese herbalists in Britain, URL



http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/hl/story.html?s=v/nm/19990226/hl/herb3_1.html



Chinese herbalists in question were adding an allopathic steroid medication,

dexamethasone, contrary to the philosophy of herbal medicine.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: lung cancer help

From: Richard Kerr <dikerr@smartt.com>

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:10:03 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Richard Kerr <dikerr@smartt.com>:







A friend who is 50 with 2 young teenagers has been diagnosed with lung

cancer which is spread to the mediastinum.  They told him surgery would be

a last resort and that they would be doing some chemo and radiation in the

near future.  He had been going to various specialists all of whom treated

the portion of him that they dealt with and no one found the problem until

it was too late as his symptoms seemed to be more stomach related and no

one looked at his lungs.



This is quite a shock for him and he asked me to write to see if there was

anything that he could take or do to ease the process that is coming or

perhaps better his chances in some way.  Any opinions would be appreciated.

 He lives in the Vancouver Canada area.



Thanx

Dina







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: lung cancer help

From: "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:40:28 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>A friend who is 50 with 2 young teenagers has been diagnosed with lung

>cancer which is spread to the mediastinum.  They told him surgery would be

>a last resort and that they would be doing some chemo and radiation in the

>near future



The first thing to do is to encourage him not to fear.  The allopathic

community has a great reputation for scaring the beejeebees out of you when

your are seriously ill.  This of course, throws you body's ability to use

its immune system out of whack.  The body has every abilty to kill cancer

cells and does it all the time.  When it reaches this point, it may need

some help but there are ways of dealing with it.  His best bet is to find a

local herbalist to help him deal with it.  There is the Dominion Herbal

College right there in British Columbia (Burnaby), not far from Vancouver.

They have a clinic there or may be able to point him to a more local

herbalist.  Cancer is one thing that needs to be monitored and adjusted as

it progresses.  They can advise him of herbs to use to help alleviate the

stresses of chemotherapy or radiation treatment, even surgery.  They may

even suggest alternatives to conventional treatment for his specific case.

It's not the total end just because you have cancer.  Yes, it is possible to

die from it but we do have to die from something.  It is also possible to

live and overcome.  Help him to have peace about  his condition.  That will

help him tremendously.







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To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Mullein use

From: "Ilene Rachford" <irachfrd@erinet.com>

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:12:38 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Ilene Rachford" <irachfrd@erinet.com>:



With all this talk of mullein...I can "see" all the plants I had last year,

but didn't realize all the wonderful uses. Can someone share the best ways

to use and prepare the plant? I guess I'm thinking of teas and infused

oils...do I use the leaves or flowers? Any and all help would be

appreciated.



Thanks much,



Ilene

irachford@erinet.com









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Mullein use

From: "Mike & Linda Shipley" <n5wuh@ionet.net>

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:47:08 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Mike & Linda Shipley" <n5wuh@ionet.net>:



Ilene,

Hi. I love mullein. Have never grown my own, but that would be great. I

order it from Frontier (NCI). I have a large stock on hand due to upper

respiratory infections. Mullein seems to really be the only thing that has

helped so far. However, Henries said there are some herbs that can keep you

from getting upper respiratory infections at all such as sage and

thyme--drinking teas a couple months before the season of colds, etc.

In my mullein leaf infusion, I put about 4 tsp.. leaves in a teapot, pour

hot water over and set for 15 + min. or until I get out of the shower in the

mornings. I have used the flowers also. They both seem to work.  I don't

know if the flowers are a little better. I don't know much about the oil.

Hope this helps.

Linda

-----Original Message-----

From: Ilene Rachford <irachfrd@erinet.com>

To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 12:16 PM

Subject: Mullein use





>To herb@MyList.net from "Ilene Rachford" <irachfrd@erinet.com>:

>

>With all this talk of mullein...I can "see" all the plants I had last year,

>but didn't realize all the wonderful uses. Can someone share the best ways

>to use and prepare the plant? I guess I'm thinking of teas and infused

>oils...do I use the leaves or flowers? Any and all help would be

>appreciated.

>

>Thanks much,

>

>Ilene

>irachford@erinet.com

>

>

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Mullein use

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 07:18:23 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



>To herb@MyList.net from "Ilene Rachford" <irachfrd@erinet.com>:

>

>With all this talk of mullein...I can "see" all the plants I had last year,

>but didn't realize all the wonderful uses. Can someone share the best ways

>to use and prepare the plant? I guess I'm thinking of teas and infused

>oils...do I use the leaves or flowers? Any and all help would be

>appreciated.



I like to lop off the flowerstalks, let them dry for a couple of days, remove

buds, flowers, and seedpods, dry those thoroughly, and use the resulting mass of

grayish green fuzzy herb with a bit of yellow in there. I call this "mullein

flowers".



That is a far more efficient use of my time than the usual "pick the flowers one

at a time, dry carefully", which you'll find in most any book that mentions

mullein.



Leaves are good for coughs. Flowers too. I have no idea which is better - use

whichever you want, as a tea.



The taste of mullein tea is almost as bad as that of Scrophularia. The plant is,

after all, in the Scrophulariaceae, which explains a lot of its

anti-inflammatory effects. Also, fuzzy species sometimes gives some people a

scratchy throat. If you're one of the unlucky ones use a coffee filter to filter

out the itchy hairs before you ingest your tea.



For a good ear-ache remedy steep 

   1 part of dried flowers (by weight) 

or

   1 part flowers straight off a flowerstalk that's been drying for three days

in 7 parts of a good oil, for 1-4 weeks. Strain, bottle, label. Warm bottle in

trouser pocket for 10-15 minutes, use a drop or five in an aching ear. It's

amazing how -fast- this works.



Leaves of the more fuzzy species can be used for toilet paper in times of urgent

need. They even have a floral design ...



You'll find more info on mullein in most any basic herbal. Grieve's Modern

Herbal is online, try that. Or try David Hoffmann's writings, on the healthy.net

site. If you haven't bookmarked these yet I've links to them on my links page.



Oh yes, don't pay any heed to the theory-bound folks that tell you it has to be

Verbascum phlomoides (or Verbascum thapsus? I forget). You can use any species

of Verbascum. Even the purple-flowered one works. As does Verbascum nigrum, the

non-fuzzy species which I mostly have access to.



Henriette



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Mullein use

From: "gil" <gil@alltel.net>

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 02:00:56 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "gil" <gil@alltel.net>:



I have noted in a garden journal somewhere a comparison of mullein seed to

Rotenone as a very effective insecticide.  Do not use these internally.  My

grandmother said her mother used theses as an external wash for vermin.









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Mullein use

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:05:37 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 02:00:56 -0600, "gil" <gil@alltel.net> wrote to

<herb@MyList.net>:



>I have noted in a garden journal somewhere a comparison of mullein seed to

>Rotenone as a very effective insecticide.  Do not use these internally.  My

>grandmother said her mother used theses as an external wash for vermin.



Mullein seeds (and other parts of mullein) contain saponins, which is toxic to

some fish, and in -large- doses in humans. You'll notice you've overdone it when

you get explosive diarrhoea ... however, it's rather difficult to do that much

mullein.

And no, mullein seed won't kill you.



Henriette



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Mullein use

From: "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:23:01 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>:



> Leaves of the more fuzzy species can be used for toilet paper in times of

urgent

> need. They even have a floral design ...



Those little hairs that make mullein fuzzy break off and irritate delicate

tissue, especially for women, don't use it - moss is so much nicer!

JoyceW





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Mullein use

From: "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:26:35 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>:



> With all this talk of mullein...I can "see" all the plants I had last

year,

> but didn't realize all the wonderful uses. Can someone share the best

ways

> to use and prepare the plant? I guess I'm thinking of teas and infused

> oils...do I use the leaves or flowers? Any and all help would be

> appreciated.





For tea or smoking, I simply whack off the top 4 feet or so of the entire

mullein plant and let it hang to dry.  The plant thinks it is going through

an exceptionally bad drought and dries well without bruising or brown spots

(this works great for comfrey also).  



Mullein tea is not my favorite flavor and the fine hairs irritate the heck

out of the throats of my children so I use a unbleached coffee filter to

strain.  I also like to add a little vanilla and molasses and stevia -

picks up a kind of a malted beverage flavor.  Have used the tea to prevent

colds from settling into the lungs, to relieve chronic bronchitis and

prevent whooping cough spasms.  In the latter instance, my family came down

with whooping cough (not immunized, and we all survived quite well thank

you).  Drinking the tea helped prevent the spasms from occurring, however

in the early stages when the spastic coughing was most intense, nothing

stopped a spasm as fast as breathing in mullein smoke.



The effect was almost instantaneous, however, it was tricky (to say the

least) to try to get mullein burning in the middle of a spastic coughing

attack when even breathing is extremely difficult.  The easiest way was to

have some finely rubbed mullein sitting in a stone dish or small tin can

(like a tuna or cat food can) ready to burn at the touch of a match.  For

travel I had some mullein cigarettes ready, but they took more effort to

light.  If I could manage to have myself or my children (my youngest was 9

months at the time) to breathe in even a whiff of the smoke, the attack

would subside.  We were also drinking a mullein tea blend and that was a

factor as well.



Have also used mullein to help calm asthma attacks - not my first choice,

but is usually more readily available.



Mullein is a great firestarter, BTW, and is included in many kinnick

recipes for this reason.	

JoyceW















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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Mullein use

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:46:24 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



Mullein has a history of use as a handy torch since it does burn well.

Useful if you live in the rural areas where the power goes out just when

you need to weave a path to check on livestock--and, as usual the batteries

died a month ago--



Aliceann

ayurveda@mint.net



At 01:26 PM 2/28/99 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>:

>

>> With all this talk of mullein...I can "see" all the plants I had last

>year,

>> but didn't realize all the wonderful uses. Can someone share the best

>ways

>> to use and prepare the plant? I guess I'm thinking of teas and infused

>> oils...do I use the leaves or flowers? Any and all help would be

>> appreciated.

>

>

>For tea or smoking, I simply whack off the top 4 feet or so of the entire

>mullein plant and let it hang to dry.  The plant thinks it is going through

>an exceptionally bad drought and dries well without bruising or brown spots

>(this works great for comfrey also).  

>

>Mullein tea is not my favorite flavor and the fine hairs irritate the heck

>out of the throats of my children so I use a unbleached coffee filter to

>strain.  I also like to add a little vanilla and molasses and stevia -

>picks up a kind of a malted beverage flavor.  Have used the tea to prevent

>colds from settling into the lungs, to relieve chronic bronchitis and

>prevent whooping cough spasms.  In the latter instance, my family came down

>with whooping cough (not immunized, and we all survived quite well thank

>you).  Drinking the tea helped prevent the spasms from occurring, however

>in the early stages when the spastic coughing was most intense, nothing

>stopped a spasm as fast as breathing in mullein smoke.

>

>The effect was almost instantaneous, however, it was tricky (to say the

>least) to try to get mullein burning in the middle of a spastic coughing

>attack when even breathing is extremely difficult.  The easiest way was to

>have some finely rubbed mullein sitting in a stone dish or small tin can

>(like a tuna or cat food can) ready to burn at the touch of a match.  For

>travel I had some mullein cigarettes ready, but they took more effort to

>light.  If I could manage to have myself or my children (my youngest was 9

>months at the time) to breathe in even a whiff of the smoke, the attack

>would subside.  We were also drinking a mullein tea blend and that was a

>factor as well.

>

>Have also used mullein to help calm asthma attacks - not my first choice,

>but is usually more readily available.

>

>Mullein is a great firestarter, BTW, and is included in many kinnick

>recipes for this reason.	

>JoyceW

>

>

>

>

>

>

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Plans

From: Roseb44170@aol.com

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:34:09 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Roseb44170@aol.com:



I just wanted to know if anyone had similar plans like mine typed below>



Even though it can hardly be classified as spring there are some plans that I

have made for my garden this year (Most of which involves just getting out

there more!).



I haven't had that much success with growing herbs indoors so I'm starting my

new growing season outdoors.  First of all my gardening plot isn't that large

but I use all the space I can.  I live just outside of Philadelphia Pa - to

give you a clue of my geographical region.  First thing that has to be done is

to clear the area.  Weeds and everything you know.



I hope that the catnip that I planted last year is still there.  I still see

some green parts of it even now in February.  Even though my cat has first

"dibs" on the catnip I know that there are other uses for it - mainly in tea.

However I don't know the procedure for using it in tea.



As for other herbs that I intend to plant I'll see what I have in storage and

go on from there.





Rose

http://members.aol.com/Roseb44170/home.html

"How did I ever get talked into this?"





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Plans

From: maggie@gpc.peachnet.edu

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:06:39 -0500 (EST)

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To herb@MyList.net from maggie@gpc.peachnet.edu:



> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Roseb44170@aol.com:

> <snip>

>  First thing that has to be done is

> to clear the area.  Weeds and everything you know.

> <snip>

  A trick I learned from my nephew is to put (I use a large

  garbage bag) plastic down on the area you want to clear,

  this kills the grass and weeds and makes it a lot easier 

  to dig up. Whieght it down with bricks or large rocks and

  just leave it there for a month or so. My cat ignored my catnip

  must have been the wrong kind.... but the chipmonks loved it

  kept diggin it up and eating the roots... oh well maybe it will

  come back this year.. whatever kind it was.



  maggie. 



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Plans

From: BeadsKnee@aol.com

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:19:00 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from BeadsKnee@aol.com:



In a message dated 99-02-27 15:07:53 EST, you write:



<< ... put (I use a large garbage bag) plastic down on the area you want to

clear,

   this kills the grass and weeds and makes it a lot easier 

   to dig up. ... >>



This technique works very well.  A tip is to moisten the ground before you

cover it, it helps to speed things up.  A wonderful bonus is that it can also

kill off some weed seed in the soil.  



<<My cat ignored my catnip must have been the wrong kind.... >>



Some cats are immune to intoxicating effects of catnip.  Of course, if your

cat has gone bonkers over other catnip, it probably was the less feline

alluring variety :-).



Sally





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Plans

From: LYNEVAJ@aol.com

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:01:36 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from LYNEVAJ@aol.com:



In a message dated 2/D/YY 1:43:15 PM CST, willowm@proaxis.com writes:



>  too am hesitant to use the black plastic method.  There is a short

>  article in the Jan/Feb issue of "Organic Gardening" Magazine (p. 12) about

>  the potential hazards of using newspaper for mulch in acidic soil.



Thanks Margi--I didn't know that.  We have highly alkaline soil and the

newspaper has only improved it in the areas where I've used it.  At least

according to the soil tests I do on very rare occasions.  Is it the ink or the

paper that is the problem or did the article say?



Lyn





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: re:  Plans

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:34:03 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



An alternative to black plastic and newspaper--



If you can find a sheep farmer, ask for floor sweepings from shearing or

the trimmings from fleeces (the skirtings).  They are mineral rich,

biodegradable, and make great covers to retard weed growth without

toxifying the soil or killing off earthworms.  We laid carpets of the stuff

in the fall or early spring.  It breaks down pretty well and our tiller

mixed it easily after a couple of months' exposure to the elements.  We had

some splendid early potatoes from a wool, aged manure, and soil mix set

above ground in old tires a few years ago when the rains refused to allow

us to put much in the garden except our knee high boots up to the tops.



Aliceann

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: licorice

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:42:44 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:





In theory licorice can riase blood pressure.  However it requires high

doses for a very long term (which would be contraindicated by taste). 

The cases of licorice raising blood pressure in vivo have to do with

persons who ate great quantities of  real licorice candy.  The herb is

unlikely to cause this reaction in normal dosages.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:21:13 -0800 Tony Cirpulis <tonyvac@juno.com>

writes:

>Take care with Licorice if you have high blood pressure!! I will raise

>blood pressure levels..



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: licorice

From: Tony Cirpulis <tonyvac@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:40:50 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Tony Cirpulis <tonyvac@juno.com>:



From my own experience I say you are wrong ! I have mildly high blood

pressure, and if I take Licorice in any form (root, capsules, tea, etc..)

my blood pressure goes up. This happens with single doses!! I have tested

this out many times since I LOVE the taste of Licorice.....I do take

blood pressure medication and the Licorice will wipe out what effect it

has....



Don't mean to start a argument, just I am talking from first hand

experience and not theory!!

> Hugs <

   Tony







On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:42:44 -0500 creationsgarden@juno.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

>

>In theory licorice can riase blood pressure.  However it requires high 

>doses for a very long term (which would be contraindicated by taste).  

>The cases of licorice raising blood pressure in vivo have to do with

>persons who ate great quantities of  real licorice candy.  The herb 

>is

>unlikely to cause this reaction in normal dosages.

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: licorice

From: Ned Reiter <nreiter@netcomuk.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:01:25 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Ned Reiter <nreiter@netcomuk.co.uk>:



>

>------------------------------

>

>Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:42:44 -0500

>From: creationsgarden@juno.com

>Subject: Re: licorice

>

>In theory licorice can riase blood pressure.  However it requires high

>doses for a very long term (which would be contraindicated by taste). 

>The cases of licorice raising blood pressure in vivo have to do with

>persons who ate great quantities of  real licorice candy.  The herb is

>unlikely to cause this reaction in normal dosages.

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com



Research has shown that B.P. can be raised in healthy (ie. non-hypertensive

) subjects at doses of 10-45 g of licorice root equivalent a day.The plant

has also been implicated in cases of hyperaldosterism, hypokalaemia and

amenorrhea 9due to anti-oestrogenic activity). Used correctly, licorice is

a powerful and extremely useful remedy in the medical herbalists

dispensary; however, I avoid using it with patients who are hypertensive,

pregnant, suffering from kidney, liver or certain hormonal problems. If in

doubt, consult a properly qualified herbalist (this is not an advert!).



  ------

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Registered Medical Herbalist

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: licorice

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:03:44 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:01:25 +0000, Ned Reiter <nreiter@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>Research has shown that B.P. can be raised in healthy (ie. non-hypertensive

>) subjects at doses of 10-45 g of licorice root equivalent a day.The plant



That's a lot of licorice root a day. A -lot-.



>has also been implicated in cases of hyperaldosterism, hypokalaemia and

>amenorrhea 9due to anti-oestrogenic activity). Used correctly, licorice is



...however, these symptoms of licorice overdose disappear when you use your

common sense and stop taking licorice.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: licorice

From: "Dr. Georges-Louis Friedli" <georges-louis@friedli.com>

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:01:23 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Dr. Georges-Louis Friedli" <georges-louis@friedli.com>:



Tony and Ned are right about Licorice.



>...however, these symptoms of licorice overdose disappear when you use your

>common sense and stop taking licorice.

>

>Henriette



What nonsense. Do you expect a practitioner to tell his or her patient,

"you should have used your common sense"?. People go to experts for advice

and if we should expect them to use their common sense then there is no

need for experts.



There is more about licorice at:

http://207.36.44.143/herbs/phytochem/glycosides.html





Louis

Georges-Louis Friedli, PhD, MSc, PgD.

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: licorice

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:40:57 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



Whether you call it common sense or inner wisdom, it is a wise person who

learns to use body messages as a means of knowing what plant herbs and

medicines to use.  Experts spend a lot of time justifying their own

expertise, unfortunately, when they could be sharing learning on more equal

ground.



In Ayurveda, licorice has many uses -- ranging from demulcent, expectorant,

digestive to anti-inflammatory to serving as an emetic in the Vaman

(vomiting) stage of Pancha Karma to clear Ama from the stomach.



Aliceann

ayurveda@mint.net  



At 03:01 PM 2/28/99 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Dr. Georges-Louis Friedli"

<georges-louis@friedli.com>:

>

>Tony and Ned are right about Licorice.

>

>>...however, these symptoms of licorice overdose disappear when you use your

>>common sense and stop taking licorice.

>>

>>Henriette

>

>What nonsense. Do you expect a practitioner to tell his or her patient,

>"you should have used your common sense"?. People go to experts for advice

>and if we should expect them to use their common sense then there is no

>need for experts.

>

>There is more about licorice at:

>http://207.36.44.143/herbs/phytochem/glycosides.html

>

>

>Louis

>Georges-Louis Friedli, PhD, MSc, PgD.

>http://www.friedli.com

>http://www.freeyellow.com/members/louis

>

>

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: licorice

From: "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:31:14 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>:



> >...however, these symptoms of licorice overdose disappear when you use

your

> >common sense and stop taking licorice.

> >

> >Henriette

> 

> What nonsense. Do you expect a practitioner to tell his or her patient,

> "you should have used your common sense"?. People go to experts for

advice

> and if we should expect them to use their common sense then there is no

> need for experts.

> 

Not experts, teachers perhaps ... 

Which leads me to one of my favorite quotes, I first heard from herbalist

Cindy Parker of Healing Heart Herbals -

"Remember, X is an unknown factor, and a spurt is a drip under pressure"

JoyceW



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: catnip

From: "CoraLynn McKelvy" <cmckelvy@usa.net>

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:05:17 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "CoraLynn McKelvy" <cmckelvy@usa.net>:



My cat isn't too interested in the catnip but she absolutely LOVES valerian.

Another thing with catnip, cats don't seem to pay as much attention to that

which grows from seed but can destroy a transplant.  Perhaps the sprouts

aren't agitated, don't smell, so don't attract the cat's attention (?).



CoraLynn

ne TN

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: catnip

From: "Kathleen" <kl@bigfoot.com>

Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:39:15 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Kathleen" <kl@bigfoot.com>:









On 27 Feb 99, at 22:05, CoraLynn McKelvy wrote:



>

> My cat isn't too interested in the catnip but she absolutely 

LOVES

> valerian. Another thing with catnip, cats don't seem to pay as 

much

> attention to that which grows from seed but can destroy a 

transplant. 

> Perhaps the sprouts aren't agitated, don't smell, so don't attract 

the

> cat's attention (?).

> 

> 



I have a large catnip patch that self seeds every year.  My cats and 

all the neighboring cats roll and play in it all summer.



Kathleen







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:mullein for innner ear problems

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 10:47:17 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Elfreem@aol.com:



 

>  For a good ear-ache remedy steep 

>     1 part of dried flowers (by weight)  or

>     1 part flowers straight off a flowerstalk that's been drying for three

days

>  in 7 parts of a good oil, for 1-4 weeks. Strain, bottle, label. Warm bottle

in

>  trouser pocket for 10-15 minutes, use a drop or five in an aching ear. It's

>  amazing how -fast- this works.

>  

>  Leaves of the more fuzzy species can be used for toilet paper in times of

urgent

>  need. They even have a floral design ...

>  

>  You'll find more info on mullein in most any basic herbal. Grieve's Modern

>  Herbal is online, try that. Or try David Hoffmann's writings, on the

healthy.net

>  site. If you haven't bookmarked these yet I've links to them on my links

page.

>  

>  Oh yes, don't pay any heed to the theory-bound folks that tell you it has

to be

>  Verbascum phlomoides (or Verbascum thapsus? I forget). You can use any 

> species

>  of Verbascum. Even the purple-flowered one works. As does Verbascum nigrum,

> the non-fuzzy species which I mostly have access to.

>  

>  Henriette





Not only is mullein good for ear ache, its good for other inner ear conditions

such as dizziness. Dizziness isn't always due to inner ear problems, but

when it is mullein seems to help. I posted a message a while ago about my

son's ear infection that was cured with a combination of garlic and mullein

in oil. Recently, a friend was complaining of getting dizzy frequently.

Suspecting 

it was a middle ear problem, I recommended garlic/mullein in oil and the

dizziness went away after ONE application.



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Skokie Illinois - USA







