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Subject: Re: cat tail info

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:14:58 EST

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In a message dated 3/31/99 3:35:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

seagul1@voicenet.com writes:



<< has anyone heard of using young cattail shoots as a sweetner.

 Any other good uses for cattail, besides flour? >>



Terri,



I don't know about a sweetener, but I do remember very fondly going on fishing

trips in the far reaches of Northern Maine in early summer  with my dad after

school got out back in the 50s.  One of the highlights of the trips and

something we always looked forward to was camping on the bank of the St. John

River and eating fresh trout, fiddleheads, and cat tail shoots.  At that time

of the year up there the fiddleheads and cat tails are just coming up and were

wonderfully sweet and filling.  If my memory serves me correctly you need to

get them before they are 6-8 inches out of the water and cut them below the

water line or about an inch above the ground - then cut the tops just 1/2 inch

or so into the green  - the white part was what was the tastiest.  Also, I

remember quite well that you should find them near fresh running water as they

take on the taste of what is around them and a brackish swamp can really ruin

their taste. 

Peter 





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Subject: Re: cat tail info

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:55:53 -0500

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The fluff off of the brown tails makes good insulation.  (And is NOT the

same as the pollen which can be used as flour, as I found out in my

youth!)  The shoots can be steamed and eaten as a vegetable.  The tubers

can be cut and cooked as a root vegetable.



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Re: Recovering from the end of bronchitis

From: mh <drductape@texoma.net>

Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:16:20 -0600

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I have had success with elderberry flower tea for congestion

Mary



>I was successful at throwing off a bronchial infection, but the gunk is

>still in my lungs.  By this time it is so thick that I cannot easily

>expectorate.  It clogs my lungs and makes me gag when it is in my throat

>because it doesn't move easily.

>I've avoided the ginger/cayenne/garlic respiratory remedies since I am

>showing signs of heat.  Rosemary essential oil rubbed into the chest

>helps somewhat.  Would a bronchiodialator like ephedra be useful here?







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Subject: Re: Recovering from the end of bronchitis

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:07:52 -0500

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I've been on elderberry tea (with muellin, astragalus and red clover)

since I started this infection, but it isn't clearing out the lungs.  It

did seem to help the initial infection.  Tried some elderberry pine syrup

as well.



Also taking peppermint/eleuthero tea regularly.  Feels like the liquid

goes straight through without liquifying the gunk in my lungs.



I'm not sure the lobelia would help if it is primarily antispasmodic. 

The spasms are the only thing slightly moving the sludge out of my lungs,

and not very effectively.  Or were you suggesting an emetic dose Anita?



Karen Vaughan, hoping for breath sometime soon.

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>I have had success with elderberry flower tea for congestion

>Mary



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Subject: Re: Recovering from the end of bronchitis

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:46:05 -0900

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>

>I'm not sure the lobelia would help if it is primarily antispasmodic. 

>The spasms are the only thing slightly moving the sludge out of my lungs,

>and not very effectively.  Or were you suggesting an emetic dose Anita?



Not really.  Using acid tincture of Lobelia (Lobelia, apple cider vinegar

and capsicum) seems to be particularly effective in loosening mucous in the

lungs and in the stomach even without an emetic dose.  I've used it in

bronchitis before when there is a tight, unproductive cough with good

results.  I also have used a tincture made with Devil's Club root, Licorice

fern root, Yarrow, Drosera, Viburnum and crabapple inner bark in cherry

brandy which does nicely with tight dry coughs.  I got the idea from the

Haida's who make what they call Haida cough syrup from Devil's Club and

Licorice fern.  I added the other things because they seemed to go well

with the product.  It won't stop a cough but it will loosen it up and move

junk out.  It is very relaxing as well.  People who have used it, without

exception, say it does the job.  I'm still perfecting the recipe.





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Subject: Re: Recovering from the end of bronchitis

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 06:30:05 -0500

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At 12:53 AM 3/31/99 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

>I was successful at throwing off a bronchial infection, but the gunk is

>still in my lungs.  By this time it is so thick that I cannot easily

>expectorate.  It clogs my lungs and makes me gag when it is in my throat

>because it doesn't move easily.

>

>I threw off the infection with an astragalus, elderberry, muellin, ginger

>and red clover infusion.  There are no signs of infection now- the mucous

>is white.  



This is a Kapha type of problem if the mucous is white.  When you are able

to expectorate, it may be followed by yellow from the Pitta lodged there

that reflects the inflammatory part if it was that type of infection as

well,  



Copious drinking hasn't thinned it out appreciably.



Try hot water throughout the day -- and for morning make an infusion of

black pepper, ginger, sage, and licorice or marshmallow root.  In a case

like this, the hot will clear the ama (white gunk) with the licorice or

marshmallow thinning and softening it to make it easier to move.  Morning

from 6 to 10 a.m. are Kapha hours where phlegm tends to accumulate.  You

want to be sure to have a light supper meal early in the evening without

late snacks to ease the accumulation in the stomach which is the "seat" of

Kapha. Don't eat in the early a.m.-- wait until closer to 10 when Pitta

(fire) is the primary energy working. Use the spicy herbs on your food -- a

little black pepper, cayenne--enough to be a little pungent but not

overwhelming. They will help re-build digestive fire and improve

respiratory function in consequence.



Aliceann

ayurveda@mint.net  

>

>I've avoided the ginger/cayenne/garlic respiratory remedies since I am

>showing signs of heat.  Rosemary essential oil rubbed into the chest

>helps somewhat.  Would a bronchiodialator like ephedra be useful here?

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

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>while allowing nature to do her work. -Voltaire

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Subject: Re: Recovering from the end of bronchitis

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:17:08 -0500

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Anita-



Can you tell me what might substitute for licorice fern root?  I actually

have Devil's club and some oof the other ingredients.  



Karen Vaughan

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On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:46:05 -0900 Anita Hales

<anita.hales@worldnet.att.net> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:

>

>

> I also have used a tincture made with Devil's Club root, Licorice

>fern root, Yarrow, Drosera, Viburnum and crabapple inner bark in cherry

>brandy which does nicely with tight dry coughs.  I got the idea from 

>the Haida's who make what they call Haida cough syrup from Devil's Club 

>and Licorice fern.  I added the other things because they seemed to go 

>well



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Subject: Re: Recovering from the end of bronchitis

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:06:59 -0900

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At 06:17 PM 4/1/99 -0500, creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

>Anita-

>

>Can you tell me what might substitute for licorice fern root?  I actually

>have Devil's club and some oof the other ingredients.  

>



I would suspect that you could substitute plain old Chinese licorice root

or perhaps Sword fern root.  My memory fails me on the latin for the Sword

fern but it has that same licorice taste and I have just chewed it on

occasion to get rid of tickles in the throat.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Recovering from the end of bronchitis

From: brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor)

Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:24:42 -0800

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>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

>I've been on elderberry tea (with muellin, astragalus and red clover)

>since I started this infection, but it isn't clearing out the lungs.  It

>did seem to help the initial infection.  Tried some elderberry pine syrup

>as well.

>

>Also taking peppermint/eleuthero tea regularly.  Feels like the liquid

>goes straight through without liquifying the gunk in my lungs.

>

>I'm not sure the lobelia would help if it is primarily antispasmodic.

>The spasms are the only thing slightly moving the sludge out of my lungs,

>and not very effectively.  Or were you suggesting an emetic dose Anita?

>

>Karen Vaughan, hoping for breath sometime soon.

>CreationsGarden@juno.com



lobelia is antispasmodic, but it is also expectorant - it calms a cough,

but doesn't stop it - makes it more "productive" - I've used it alot on #2

son.



Rusty



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Subject: Re: Recovering from the end of bronchitis

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 00:56:31 -0500

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In response to Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>I also have used a tincture made with Devil's Club root, Licorice

fern root, Yarrow, Drosera, Viburnum and crabapple inner bark in cherry

brandy which does nicely with tight dry coughs.  I got the idea from the

Haida's who make what they call Haida cough syrup from Devil's Club and

Licorice fern. 

>



Where do you get Drosera and crabapple inner bark?  I have never seen Drosera

commercially available except for homeopathic Drosera rotundifolia.  What is

licorice fern?  I thought licorice and fern were two separate herbs; there are

many different ferns, most not used in herbal medicine.



Thomas Mueller

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Recovering from the end of bronchitis

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:22:37 -0900

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At 12:56 AM 4/2/99 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:

>

>In response to Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:

>

>>I also have used a tincture made with Devil's Club root, Licorice

>fern root, Yarrow, Drosera, Viburnum and crabapple inner bark in cherry

>brandy which does nicely with tight dry coughs.  I got the idea from the

>Haida's who make what they call Haida cough syrup from Devil's Club and

>Licorice fern. 

>>

>

>Where do you get Drosera and crabapple inner bark?  I have never seen Drosera

>commercially available except for homeopathic Drosera rotundifolia.  What is

>licorice fern?  I thought licorice and fern were two separate herbs; there are

>many different ferns, most not used in herbal medicine.



It's Polypodium glycyrhizza for licorice fern.  It grows here in the

Northwestern US.  I harvest my own fern, Drosera (rotundifolia and

lateralifolia) and wild crabapple.  I suspect that you could substitute any

apple bark.  I used the Drosera both as an anti-bacterial and decongestant.

 If you can't find it, substitute something similar.  Drosera acts well

against strep.  You might substitute regular licorice root or Polystichum

munitum root (Sword fern) for the Licorice fern.  I think you'd be

surprised at how many ferns have a history of use herbally.  A native man I

studied herbs with told me that ALL plants are medicinal, you just have to

know their "spirit".  There are no non-medicinal plants.  At one time or

another any given plant has been used for medicine.





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Subject: Re: Recovering from the end of bronchitis

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:30:26 -0600 (MDT)

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> Also taking peppermint/eleuthero tea regularly.  Feels like the liquid

> goes straight through without liquifying the gunk in my lungs.



If you cool it enough, it will dissolve. But forget the eleuthero.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: coffee substitue

From: diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu>

Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:02:29 -0500

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seagul1@voicenet.com wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from seagul1@voicenet.com:

> 

> Hello,

> Could anyone give me a recipe for a coffee substitue?   I would like to use

> dandelion, chicory or other types of herbs, roots.



The book _Carrots Love Tomatoes_ has a whole section on coffee

substitutes. Unfortunately I'm moving this weekend and the book is in

one of many boxes. The book itself is a good read on companion planting

and gardening - nice info on herbs too. A worthwhile purchase.



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Subject: Question for Paul.

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:22:56 EST

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Paul,



Someone stopped into the shop today and asked me if I had ever heard of "Gold

Coin Grass" in tincture form for "softening"  gall stones - he indicated that

he had read it somewhere and was looking for it for his wife -  Since I have

neither heard of it nor was aware of something in the plant world that would

soften a gall stone, (recognizing that somewhere over the last 2,500 years the

Chinese might have indeed found something that has not yet made its way into

western herbalism,) I figured I would ask the resident expert on TCM.  Any

thoughts??   

peter





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Subject: Re: Question for Paul.

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:28:49 EST

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In a message dated 3/31/99 6:33:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, NEHrbSup@AOL.COM

writes:



<< Someone stopped into the shop today and asked me if I had ever heard of

"Gold

 Coin Grass" in tincture form for "softening"  gall stones - he indicated that

 he had read it somewhere and was looking for it for his wife -  Since I have

 neither heard of it nor was aware of something in the plant world that would

 soften a gall stone, (recognizing that somewhere over the last 2,500 years

the

 Chinese might have indeed found something that has not yet made its way into

 western herbalism,) I figured I would ask the resident expert on TCM.  Any

 thoughts??   

 peter

  >>



Hi Peter -



Actually Shook uses Hydrangea decocted in apple cider to "soften" and remove

stones from the body. We used it this year and it works wonderfully, but

hydrangea is not an herb to take for long periods of time.  The maximum time

we used it was 12 weeks.  But would be interested to hear what Paul has to say

for TCM too.



In health -

Mary



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Subject: Re: Question for Paul.

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:58:03 -0600 (MDT)

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> Someone stopped into the shop today and asked me if I had ever heard

> of "Gold Coin Grass" in tincture form for "softening"  gall stones -

> he indicated that he had read it somewhere and was looking for it

> for his wife -  Since I have neither heard of it nor was aware of

> something in the plant world that would soften a gall stone,

> (recognizing that somewhere over the last 2,500 years the Chinese

> might have indeed found something that has not yet made its way into

> western herbalism,) I figured I would ask the resident expert on

> TCM.  Any thoughts??   

> peter



Indeed, Jinqiancao (lit: gold money plant), generally Lysimachia (in the West

not generally those other plants Hsu mentioned), has been shown clinically to

dilate ducts, especially gallbladder duct. 



It does not 'soften' or dissolve the stone, though there are some plants that

will, depending on the type of stone (the type of health pattern that produced

it). 



I have used lysimachia in some several cases, and it was helpful.



Paul







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Subject: Re: coffee substitute (try roasted dandelion roots)

From: KaiforChi@aol.com

Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:19:59 EST

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Roasted dandelion roots are wonderfully earthy and rich. (Non-roasted does

nothing for me.) I've roasted my own--slice, dice, or grate, then heat in a

pan in the oven with moderate to high heat until they *just* begin to scent

the room. You will need to monitor them so they don't burn. They, and kukicha

(sorry, don't have the box here, but they are twigs of some plant), give me

great pleasure, but I consider both to be "teas" rather than coffee

substitutes. For me, I want my coffee thick, and I want it to be coffee.



Since dandelions grow wild (as weeds) in many yards, the trick is to either

grow them yourself or harvest them youngish (from yards that don't use

pesticides) before they are too deep to easily dig up. (The leafspan or

height:root ratio is something like 1:1 or 1:2.)



You can also roast them in a toaster oven on aluminum foil, or stovetop in a

cast iron skillet (stir frequently). 



This might sound odd, but raw brown rice, roasted lightly, also makes a

wonderful tea (or, as you phrase it, coffee substitute.) It also staves off

hunger, because it tastes like (you are eating a portion of) rice. 



The two make a wonderful mix of flavors.



best,



kai

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: jet lag

From: Xanthia <xanthia@gothic.net>

Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:31:51 -0600

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My old standby's for flying and jetlag: ginger, peppermint and chamomile.

They have herbal motion sickness pills at Walgreens! Who knew? Not being

tense as you travel will help reduce your jetlag. I agree with the

scullcap and valerian suggestion... you sometimes need to help your

system rest.



Xanthia







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Direction of disease and cure

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:49:50 -0500

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Paul and others,

I've been thinking quite a bit about supression and disease in treatment,

and the following quote from the Yelow Emperor's Classic of Medicine

synchronistically popped up on another list on the subject: 



" The skin is where all the luo are contained and spread. When the

pathogen attacks the skin, it forces the pores open and initially attacks

the luo channels. When these fill up , the pathogen flows into the main

channels. When these fill,it flows into the fu organs. One can determine

decisively where the disease is by observing the skin and the

corresponding dermatomes. When one can see changes but nothing is done,

the pathogen has the opportunity to travel to the organs and cause major

disease."



Since I recieved this quotation out of context, I don't know whether it

refers to specific types of (say external parasitic) diseases or is an

overall concept.  Interesting that the Yellow Emperor's classic sees

disease here as emanating from the skin in, rather than from the inside

expressing itself outwards towards the skin.   I have found the

homeopathic (and naturopathic) concept of the direction of disease to be

most helpful in my work.



I've wondered about the concepts of Chinese medicine in amplifying the

body's own processes.  When I see heat expressed in the skin or organs,

my instinct is to try to amplify the body's heating processes to raise

fever or open pores and thus to fight pathogens.  I give yarrow and

boneset for flu, for example, to induce diaphoresis, before I go for the

antimicrobials like echinacea.  (Exceptions would be an appendix on the

verge of exploding or a dangerously high fever in an infant.)  My

acupuncturist on the other hand often tries to cool heat signs.  I have

wondered if this isn't supressive.



Paul, you have experience with both homeopathy and Chinese medicine.  Do

you find that Chinese medicine's balancing can be supressive?  Or are

their schools of thought within Chinese medicine that amplify heat in

someone showing heat, for example, as a step in regaining homeostasis? 

It strikes me that both approaches might work on an acute condition, but

I do wonder which best ultimately strengthens the bodily terrain.  



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Re: Direction of disease and cure

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:55:08 -0900

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>I've wondered about the concepts of Chinese medicine in amplifying the

>body's own processes.  When I see heat expressed in the skin or organs,

>my instinct is to try to amplify the body's heating processes to raise

>fever or open pores and thus to fight pathogens.  I give yarrow and

>boneset for flu, for example, to induce diaphoresis, before I go for the

>antimicrobials like echinacea.  (Exceptions would be an appendix on the

>verge of exploding or a dangerously high fever in an infant.)  My

>acupuncturist on the other hand often tries to cool heat signs.  I have

>wondered if this isn't supressive.



I might throw in a thought here.  I never considered diaphoretics as

substances that amplify heat.  To me they seem to disperse heat and cause

it to flow outwards.  Yarrow, when used hot is very diffusive and extends

throughout the body bringing heat to the surface of the skin where it can

be dissipated.  However, when given cold it is less diffusive and directs

its energy to the liver, where it is cooling, not heating.  Boneset seems

to work from the liver and kidneys outward when given hot and does little

good when given cold, which is why I recommend drinking a hot beverage

after taking it in capsules and downing the capsules with warm water or

just drinking it in infusion.  Maybe I just come from a different school of

thought or maybe I'm just wrong.  I've brought down fever in infants just

by bathing them in peppermint.  It draws the heat outward.  Does this make

sense to you?





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Direction of disease and cure

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:58:06 -0600 (MDT)

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> I might throw in a thought here.  I never considered diaphoretics as

> substances that amplify heat.  To me they seem to disperse heat and cause

> it to flow outwards. [...] Maybe I just come from a different school of

> thought or maybe I'm just wrong.  I've brought down fever in infants just

> by bathing them in peppermint.  It draws the heat outward.  Does this make

> sense to you?



Herbs are either cooling or heating (or neutral). Diaphoresis indeed cools the

body, but you would not treat a fixed cold-type cold (stuffy head, stiff neck,

lots of clear mucous, etc.) with cold herbs like peppermint, even if given hot.

Nor would you treat a hot, dry cold with mahuang.



Paul







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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: coffee substitutes

From: "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:47:55 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "JoyceWardwell" <plantpeople@triton.net>:



>Hello,

>Could anyone give me a recipe for a coffee substitute?   I would like to

use

>dandelion, chicory or other types of herbs, roots.



>I want to gather them myself so any help regarding best time and best

>method of gathering and best method of preparation would be appreciated.



I find that roasted soybeans makes a very similar tasting beverage.  Also

roast chick peas, but must cook and mash the chick peas first so is a bit

extra work.  I swear that many fast food places have roast soybeans in

their coffee blends.

Then I use herbs to flavor - roasted dandelion or chicory give a nice

bitter aspect, a little licorice gives it a malt-like flavor - a little

vanilla a creamy texture.  Sometimes I add a bit of angelica root, or a

dash of cinnamon or cardamom.  Sometimes I add lemon and stevia.  The

possibilities are endless.  Also nice to have a few roasted nuts such as

hazlenut or almond to add to the grind.  Oh, did I mention you need a

coffee grinder?  Sure helps.











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Garcinia/Brand names - questions

From: Lisa Contreras <LMCONT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

Date: Thu, 01 Apr 99 15:18:39 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Lisa Contreras <LMCONT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>:



Hi all,



    Just have a few quick questions.

    First about brands, and I apologize if this has already beenanswered at

 some previous point on the list because I never have seen it:  What is the

 collective opinion of these product brands:  Rainbow Light, Sundown, Sunrider

  and Nature's Resource?



  Next question.  My daughter - who will not, of course, listen to me about

 anything, is taking a diet aid containing 250 mg of garcinia extract as its ma

jor ingredient.  The stuff is called CitriLean and is by Enzymatic Therapy. The

 other ingredients are ginger root extract, fenugreek seed extract, curcuma

root extract (isn't this tumeric?) and chromium picolinate. (At least this one

doesn't contain ephedra or caffeine!)  Wil this stuff harm her in any way - ie

 upset blood sugar balance, etc. ?  What do you all know about garcinia?  I

can't seem to find much about it.





Someday I will be filled with wisdom and learning and can give back a little

to you who have been so helpful to me.  But in the meantime, I will have to

keep asking questions.  (If there is a website re garcinia, let me know and I

will find it and print out the info to give to my daughter).





TIA



Lisa Contreras

lmcont00@ukcc.uky.edu





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Garcinia/Brand names - questions

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:32:44 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



Chromium picolinate needs to be used cautiously by people with blood sugar

problems--it actively affects blood sugar levels.

Aliceann





At 03:18 PM 4/1/99 EST, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Lisa Contreras <LMCONT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>:

>

>Hi all,

>

>    Just have a few quick questions.

>    First about brands, and I apologize if this has already beenanswered at

> some previous point on the list because I never have seen it:  What is the

> collective opinion of these product brands:  Rainbow Light, Sundown,

Sunrider

>  and Nature's Resource?

>

>  Next question.  My daughter - who will not, of course, listen to me about

> anything, is taking a diet aid containing 250 mg of garcinia extract as

its ma

>jor ingredient.  The stuff is called CitriLean and is by Enzymatic

Therapy. The

> other ingredients are ginger root extract, fenugreek seed extract, curcuma

>root extract (isn't this tumeric?) and chromium picolinate. (At least this

one

>doesn't contain ephedra or caffeine!)  Wil this stuff harm her in any way

- ie

> upset blood sugar balance, etc. ?  What do you all know about garcinia?  I

>can't seem to find much about it.

>

>

>Someday I will be filled with wisdom and learning and can give back a little

>to you who have been so helpful to me.  But in the meantime, I will have to

>keep asking questions.  (If there is a website re garcinia, let me know and I

>will find it and print out the info to give to my daughter).

>

>

>TIA

>

>Lisa Contreras

>lmcont00@ukcc.uky.edu

>

>

LifeWorks -- Ayurveda and Healing

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/5408

Try the "Down and Dirty" Ayurvedic Assessment 

New at LifeWorks on 1/30/99



  









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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Garcinia/Brand names - questions 

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:18:41 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:



Lisa,



>At 03:18 PM 4/1/99 EST, you wrote:

>>To herb@MyList.net from Lisa Contreras <LMCONT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>:

>>

>>Hi all,

>>

>>    Just have a few quick questions.

>>    First about brands, and I apologize if this has already beenanswered

at

>> some previous point on the list because I never have seen it:  What is

the

>> collective opinion of these product brands:  Rainbow Light, Sundown,

>Sunrider

>>  and Nature's Resource?



I have used Rainbow Light and found them to be of fairly high quality and

reliable.  They have several unique combinations that were more convenient

then taking multiple supplements.  However, I consider them to be somewhat

over priced.



>>  Next question.  My daughter - who will not, of course, listen to me

about

>> anything, is taking a diet aid containing 250 mg of garcinia extract as

>its ma

>>jor ingredient.  The stuff is called CitriLean and is by Enzymatic

>Therapy.



Garcinia accomplishes two things that assist with dieting.



1.  It interferes with the production of an enzyme in the liver, that

normally causes excess circulating (consumed) carbohydrates to be converted

to fat for storage in fat cells.

2.  By the same mechanism, allowing the continued circulation of carbs in

the bloodstream causes the brain to send out the "I'm full" signal sooner

than it normally would.  This makes it easier to consume less calories.



I doubt that any long term studies have been done on it's effects over time.

But it does have a history of native use.  I don't see how short term use

could cause any harm.



Marie Winston

marie.winston@worldnet.att.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Garcinia/Brand names - questions 

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:33:46 -0600 (MDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Garcinia accomplishes two things that assist with dieting.

> 

> 1.  It interferes with the production of an enzyme in the liver, that

> normally causes excess circulating (consumed) carbohydrates to be converted

> to fat for storage in fat cells.

> 2.  By the same mechanism, allowing the continued circulation of carbs in

> the bloodstream causes the brain to send out the "I'm full" signal sooner

> than it normally would.  This makes it easier to consume less calories.

> 

> I doubt that any long term studies have been done on it's effects over time.

> But it does have a history of native use.  I don't see how short term use

> could cause any harm.



The body is not so simple. Stopping carbohydrate storage as fat has vast health

implications. Maybe obesity is enough of a risk factor to make that a

trade-off, but it is not just a given that this is OK to take. Native use was

not in the context currently proposed.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Stagnant Healing (long)

From: sapita@juno.com

Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:37:23 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from sapita@juno.com:



Hi folks,



First off, apologies for the length.



About a year ago, April 15th is the one year mark, I was struck by a car

as a pedestrian.  I am a 30 year old female who lives by myself in New

Jersey, all family lives on the West Coast.  Luckily I survived, but I

ended up with breaking both the tibia and fibula (the two lower leg

bones) in both legs. I fractured my right arm and my left hand and

separated my right shoulder.  Initially the leg fractures were

straightened and titanium rods were put through each tibia with a

stainless steel screw on either end of the rods to hold them in place.

Stainless steel wires were wrapped around the right tibia to hold the

pieces that broke off together .  The hand was casted, the arm was put in

a sling and the shoulder had part of the clavical taken out to help

correct the separation.    The healing arm created an impingement and was

arthoscopically fixed.  The prognosis was that I should heal to doing

what I did before the accident.   I was an avid runner, mountain biker,

rollerblader, weight trained and tried to keep my self as active as

possible.   I ate as healthy as possible trying to keep all 'junk food'

out of my diet.



About 6 months into my recovery it was noted by the doctors that my leg

bones were not healing, so they did another surgery to 'stimulate

healing'.  I obtained some homeopathic comfrey on advice of a friend and

comfrey salve that I rub on my legs twice a day.  Three months later

(this March) I had xrays again and the legs continued to show no

significant healing.  The doctors warned that by next month if no healing

still has occured, they would consider going back into surgery to either

cut down my fibulas to 'stimulate healing' or do bone grafting by taking

bone from my  hip and planting it into the tibias.  They say that I'm a

candidate for "non-union healing"  So far everything else has healed

well.  My muscle tone has bounced back and I am very strong again.  I go

to physical therapy 3 times a week and ride a bicycle at a local gym 2

times a week.  The problem lies with the bone healing in the legs.  I'm

not sure what to do.  



I have also been taking alot of calcium and silica. I take naprosyn for

an anti-inflammatory for my ankles and Ultram only on occasion for pain

in my legs.  I've weaned myself off of all other meds.  I am very

sensative to most drugs, mostly found out by this accident where the

majority of narcotics the doctors tried to put me on had very bad

reactions.   My mother sent me a mixture of Ginger root, Devil's Claw,

Yucca, Horsetail and burdock root that a friend gave her to help with my

ankles.  The swelling from wearing braces is disturbing the ligaments and

tendons and causing some problems, but beyond that, I really don't know

what more I can do.  The doctors I've gone to say there isn't anything

"I" personally can do to help my healing out.  It's all a matter of what

my body wants to do.  I am having trouble accepting that and I feel like

my mental well being is suffering.  



I can't go back to work, although I'm a software engineer, the nature of

my work requires me to travel and I can't do that until I heal.  Working

from home is not an option either. I am basically a social person, so the

isolation is kinda getting to me. My sleep patterns have changed from

being an early morning person to staying up till 2 or 3 in the morning

and sleeping to noon and now I'm not sleeping very much at all now.  Yet

another friend recommended taking 1500mg of St Johns Root to help and

some adrenal support herbs, Chinese Thoroughwax, Korean Ginseng, Siberian

Ginseng, Mexican Yam and Licorice Root.  I also drink at least one cup of

peppermint tea a day, mostly because I like the flavor, I don't know if

there is any therapeutic benefits to it.  I have also taken a

vitamin/mineral/herbal blend supplement twice a day.



Well I am sorry for the length of this, I wanted to get as much

information out as possible.  I really need to start healing and I am

really at a loss.  I'm not sure what I can be doing to help things out. 

If anyone has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it.  I am

really tired of being 'cut on' and having my life on hold.



TIA and blessings,



Kimber

sapita@juno.com 

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Stagnant Healing (long)

From: diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu>

Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:09:01 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu>:



sapita@juno.com wrote:

<snip>

 

> About 6 months into my recovery it was noted by the doctors that my leg

> bones were not healing, so they did another surgery to 'stimulate

> healing'.  I obtained some homeopathic comfrey on advice of a friend and

> comfrey salve that I rub on my legs twice a day.  Three months later

> (this March) I had xrays again and the legs continued to show no

> significant healing.



About 5 years ago, I had a really bad fracture of my ulna and a

dislocation of my radius of my left arm (I fell out of a tree and onto

my elbow). I used comfrey leaf, but drank it as a tea 1-2 times a day

for most of the time I was in a cast. I also tried to drink more milk

and up my calcium intake, but since I'm not big into dairy, I think the

comfrey was more helpful. The doctors were amazed at how fast the bone

was healing. 



Studies are showing that calcium, though, isn't enough for strong bones.

I found this website that may give you more info: 

http://www.strongbones.org/



Of course alot of that was negated after they took the cast off. I

realized the radius was dislocated (no one noticed in any of the 3

billion xrays taken up to that point). They ended up cutting off my

radial head (ugh!) and putting a titanium plate on my ulna. Not to scare

you... but just try to avoid surgery if you can - it SUCKED.



> Well I am sorry for the length of this, I wanted to get as much

> information out as possible.  I really need to start healing and I am

> really at a loss.  I'm not sure what I can be doing to help things out.

> If anyone has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it.  I am

> really tired of being 'cut on' and having my life on hold.



I hope you recover. Try to keep positive. I hope you get the help you

need. 



-- 

           Diana Cascioli | Cattle die, kindred die,

        GW Graphic Design | Every man is mortal:

            raven@gwu.edu | But the good name never dies 

gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~raven | Of one who has done well





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Gold Coin Grass:  Chin-Chien-Tsao

From: "natural" <natural@wt.net>

Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:40:23 -0600

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "natural" <natural@wt.net>:



Gold Coin Grass or Chin-Chien-Tsao is Desmodium styracifolium.  Its pinnate

coin leaves account for its name.  According to my Chinese Materia Medica

"it is mainly the entire plant of any of the following:  Desmodium

styracifolium, glechoma hederacea L. var grandis,  lysimachia christinae,

glenchoma hederacea L. (Labiatae).



Any sound familiar?



Sweet flavor, cool property.  Channels entered:  liver, kidney and bladder

meridians.  Actions:  relieves water retention, promotes urination, cleanses

heat, resolves dampness, removes toxins, disperses swelling, promotes

diuresis.  Applications:  renal and bladder calculi, acute urethritis,

hepatic jaundice.



It causes the urine to become acidic, thus causing dissolution of calculus

which form under alkaline conditions.  Dosage 30-60; single herb 120-150 gm.



I also have had good success with Shook's Hydrangea as Mary indicated.



And Peter, Chin-Chien-Tsao is being promoted on several web sites for this

purpose.



Rosie





><< Someone stopped into the shop today and asked me if I had ever heard of

>"Gold

> Coin Grass" in tincture form for "softening"  gall stones - he indicated

that

> he had read it somewhere and was looking for it for his wife -  Since I

have

> neither heard of it nor was aware of something in the plant world that

would

> soften a gall stone, (recognizing that somewhere over the last 2,500 years

>the

> Chinese might have indeed found something that has not yet made its way

into

> western herbalism,) I figured I would ask the resident expert on TCM.  Any

> thoughts??

> peter

>  >>









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Gold Coin Grass:  Chin-Chien-Tsao - Thanks

From: Astralg8@aol.com

Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:06:57 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Astralg8@aol.com:



Mary and Rosie, 



Thanks ever so much for the answers - I also found a reference in M.Grieve's 

Modern Herbal to "two penny grass"   - or Money Wort as we know it here in 

the states also called woundwort - other references pointed me to yellow 

loosestrife - all members of the Lysimachia family - moneywort being 

nummalaria which is supposed to be great for wounds and bruises -  its 

constituents would probably have some beneficial effect though Grieve 

indicates that Culpepper pointed to "staying all fluxes - bleeding inwardly 

or outwardly and weak stomachs given to casting ..."   supposed to be good 

for ulcers as well - Anyway I think I will go with Shook unless I can find 

some of the dry herb from a reputable source.  Again thanks to yourself and 

to Mary for the answers.

peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

From: MARDI2GRAS@aol.com

Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 22:26:43 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from MARDI2GRAS@aol.com:



Does anyone know about this herb? it is a herb from Brazil? As far as I was 

told it is for male sexual perforamnce, and GNC can't keep it on the shelf.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

From: Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 22:46:43 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:





I can't keep it on my shelf either!

 muira puama is called  "potency wood" by the natives who have used it for

years and years...





>Does anyone know about this herb? it is a herb from Brazil? As far as I was 

>told it is for male sexual perforamnce, and GNC can't keep it on the shelf.

>





Lucinda Jenkins

Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

Great Teas!

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs/tea.html





 

     )   Tea           ) 

    (    Time!         (

   ___               ___

   \_/o              \_/O









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

From: "Kristine J. Makl" <kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu>

Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 12:23:10 -0600

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Kristine J. Makl" <kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu>:



What exactly does this herb do for men?  I have a friend who is on high

blood pressure medicine and has the common side affect of not being able to

have an erection.  Would this help and would he be able to take it with the

meds he is on?



Thanks much

kris

ICQ #8837507



>To herb@MyList.net from Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:

>

>

>I can't keep it on my shelf either!

> muira puama is called  "potency wood" by the natives who have used it for

>years and years...

>

>

>>Does anyone know about this herb? it is a herb from Brazil? As far as I was

>>told it is for male sexual perforamnce, and GNC can't keep it on the shelf.

>>

>

>

>Lucinda Jenkins

>Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

>Great Teas!

>http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs/tea.html

>

>

>

>     )   Tea           )

>    (    Time!         (

>   ___               ___

>   \_/o              \_/O







==========

To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

From: HERBWORLD@aol.com

Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:37:34 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from HERBWORLD@aol.com:



Matter of fact, this is one of the profiles we have on HerbNET 

(http://www.herbnet.com) this month....along with watercress, helonias and 

sassafras.   Everything I could find on the research for this plant (touted 

as Herbal Viagra) is there.



Maureen Rogers

The Herb Growing & Marketing Network

http://www.herbnet.com & http://www.herbworld.com





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:38:46 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



Of all the wellness issues men need to face, sexual performance is at the

bottom of the list.  There is a huge difference between nourishing

reproductive tissue for optimum health and maximizing sexual performance.

What a sad commentary on male identity and understanding of health.  



Aliceann





At 10:26 PM 4/2/99 EST, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from MARDI2GRAS@aol.com:

>

>Does anyone know about this herb? it is a herb from Brazil? As far as I was 

>told it is for male sexual perforamnce, and GNC can't keep it on the shelf.

>

>

LifeWorks -- Ayurveda and Healing

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/5408

Try the "Down and Dirty" Ayurvedic Assessment 

New at LifeWorks on 1/30/99



  









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:05:19 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:



Yikes!



I don't think its helpful for women to a) lump all men together as if we all

have the same wellness issues and b) make prissy comments about their

concerns re. sexuality. Maintaining normal sexual performance is an entirely

valid health issue and doesn't necessarily have to sit at the bottom of

anyone's list.



However your comment re. nourishing reproductive tissue etc was more useful.





-----Original Message-----

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 8:47 AM

Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know





>To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:

>

>Of all the wellness issues men need to face, sexual performance is at the

>bottom of the list.  There is a huge difference between nourishing

>reproductive tissue for optimum health and maximizing sexual performance.

>What a sad commentary on male identity and understanding of health.

>

>Aliceann

>

>

>At 10:26 PM 4/2/99 EST, you wrote:

>>To herb@MyList.net from MARDI2GRAS@aol.com:

>>

>>Does anyone know about this herb? it is a herb from Brazil? As far as I

was

>>told it is for male sexual perforamnce, and GNC can't keep it on the

shelf.

>>

>>

>LifeWorks -- Ayurveda and Healing

>http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/5408

>Try the "Down and Dirty" Ayurvedic Assessment

>New at LifeWorks on 1/30/99

>

>

>

>







==========

To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 09:41:21 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



Yikes back!  The discomfort of looking at the media hype over sexual

performance points to a need to raise awareness that it is a reproductive

tissue not an isolated organ function concern. Sorry to seem to "lump"men.

I'm not the one marketing the products, just someone who works with women,

men, infants and children who are the victims of successful marketing of

the wrong substances.  Men and women who seek sexual intimacy as opposed to

lust generally know that it is achieved through loving touch regardless of

the ability to "perform."  Nutrition, not herbs is the best route to

maintain sexual health.  Impotence can be addressed in many ways,

preferably not through drugs or herbs that articficially stimulate

reproductive organs or brain centers -- these are both high risk and

depleting in effect.  As far as last on the list--if all other health needs

are met through diet, lifestyle and spiritual health, it is not necessary

to think about sexual performance as a separate issue.  When it becomes a

separate issue -- there is a distancing of a loving act from a

physiological one.  (Personal view -- not shared by  all and not in any way

intended to be imflammatory).  my apologies if I caused offense.



Aliceann



At 09:05 AM 4/6/99 -0400, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:

>

>Yikes!

>

>I don't think its helpful for women to a) lump all men together as if we all

>have the same wellness issues and b) make prissy comments about their

>concerns re. sexuality. Maintaining normal sexual performance is an entirely

>valid health issue and doesn't necessarily have to sit at the bottom of

>anyone's list.

>

>However your comment re. nourishing reproductive tissue etc was more useful.

>

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

>To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

>Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 8:47 AM

>Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

>

>

>>To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:

>>

>>Of all the wellness issues men need to face, sexual performance is at the

>>bottom of the list.  There is a huge difference between nourishing

>>reproductive tissue for optimum health and maximizing sexual performance.

>>What a sad commentary on male identity and understanding of health.

>>

>>Aliceann

>>

>>

>>At 10:26 PM 4/2/99 EST, you wrote:

>>>To herb@MyList.net from MARDI2GRAS@aol.com:

>>>

>>>Does anyone know about this herb? it is a herb from Brazil? As far as I

>was

>>>told it is for male sexual perforamnce, and GNC can't keep it on the

>shelf.

>>>

>>>

>>LifeWorks -- Ayurveda and Healing

>>http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/5408

>>Try the "Down and Dirty" Ayurvedic Assessment

>>New at LifeWorks on 1/30/99

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

From: MARDI2GRAS@aol.com

Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:28:59 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from MARDI2GRAS@aol.com:



I agree, geez your not even a man. Being a man with sexual disfunction, 

really is an health issue. Get off your high horse, we all want healthy 

bodies, and a healthy sex life!





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

From: Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 07:33:36 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



At 09:28 PM 4/6/99 EDT,  MARDI2GRAS@aol.com wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from :

>

>I agree, geez your not even a man. Being a man with sexual disfunction, 

>really is an health issue. Get off your high horse, we all want healthy 

>bodies, and a healthy sex life!



Whoa!  Hey guys!  What does "geez your [sic] not even a man" have to do

with the price of onions in Bombay or the discussion of an issue of human

health??  That is the most self-absorbed position I've seen yet...the

equivalent of "don't bother me with the facts, my mind is already made up."

 The isssue has been (or perhaps has NEEDED to distinguish) between sexual

function as a matter of legitimate health vs. a perception of performance.

 Interestingly, such a perception of performance resides wholly between the

ears of the "enhanced" performer... that's why it's a perception!  Another

interesting point in this thread is that while there has been discussion of

a "sex life" there is no expression of concern regarding a "reproductive

life."  To quest health on social, emotional, and performance grounds while

ignoring the more basic correlation of physiological systems is, one more

time, looking for a quick fix.



If working with herbs and other natural therapies hasn't taught some of us

patience, perhaps that should be our immediate goal.



And... to those of you men who still view your privates as something so

special as to be worth being insulting over... I'd only add... hmm... oh,

really??!!



Scott Carlton

carlton@mint.net

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

From: John Leschinski <muscle@televar.com>

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 05:06:17 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from John Leschinski <muscle@televar.com>:



On Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:38:46 -0400 Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net> wrote:



>Of all the wellness issues men need to face, sexual performance is at the

>bottom of the list.  There is a huge difference between nourishing

>reproductive tissue for optimum health and maximizing sexual performance.

>What a sad commentary on male identity and understanding of health.





Health and wellness are not ONLY dependent on cellular nourishment and

chemical homeostasis. What about addressing the issue of psychological and

spiritual well being? If a male finds that frequent and satisfying sexual

activity is pleasurable and fulfilling, does that not have a level of

positive impact on ones overall level of wellness and health? If an herb

like Muira Puama can enhance this aspect of the male sexuality, and do it

without toxic effects or physiological/biological compromise, then how is

that counter health? I see no difference here, than taking St. John's Wort

for depression, Valerian for sleep problems, or Hawthorne for heart

regulation. Fulfilling sex is a very integral part of our essence as

humans, and if it modes on deprivation, the spirit can suffer and dwindle,

and eventually so can the physical host. If this herb helps with impotence

and sexual performance, then where is the contradiction to health? And how

is that a sad commentary on the male identity? I don't see it that way, and

I'm sure many others don't either.



Just my nickel on the subject.



John









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:25:18 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



Your points are well taken and in agreement with mine--it's always nice to

share beliefs such as the deeper aspects of sexual intimacy.  



Food, lifestyle, and spiritual practices all are types of nourishment

essential to human experience.  If a man enjoys frequent sex to achieve

deep meaning in life, then it is unlikely any herbal additive will be

either sought after or needed.  The body turns off the "acquire" signals

through an act of true sexual union. Presumably his partner shares the

depth of intimacy.  



I will stand by the probability that most of the men emptying the shelves

of a hyped herbal sexual enhancement product do not need it, but would be

better focusing on deepening the sexual experiences of what they already

can do very adequately.  We all chase after the fantasy of "it can be

better than this"...failing too often to appreciate the perfection of what

we already have.  Don't try to fix what ain't broke.  



Aliceann









At 05:06 AM 4/7/99 -0800, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from John Leschinski <muscle@televar.com>:

>

>On Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:38:46 -0400 Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

wrote:

>

>>Of all the wellness issues men need to face, sexual performance is at the

>>bottom of the list.  There is a huge difference between nourishing

>>reproductive tissue for optimum health and maximizing sexual performance.

>>What a sad commentary on male identity and understanding of health.

>

>

>Health and wellness are not ONLY dependent on cellular nourishment and

>chemical homeostasis. What about addressing the issue of psychological and

>spiritual well being? If a male finds that frequent and satisfying sexual

>activity is pleasurable and fulfilling, does that not have a level of

>positive impact on ones overall level of wellness and health? If an herb

>like Muira Puama can enhance this aspect of the male sexuality, and do it

>without toxic effects or physiological/biological compromise, then how is

>that counter health? I see no difference here, than taking St. John's Wort

>for depression, Valerian for sleep problems, or Hawthorne for heart

>regulation. Fulfilling sex is a very integral part of our essence as

>humans, and if it modes on deprivation, the spirit can suffer and dwindle,

>and eventually so can the physical host. If this herb helps with impotence

>and sexual performance, then where is the contradiction to health? And how

>is that a sad commentary on the male identity? I don't see it that way, and

>I'm sure many others don't either.

>

>Just my nickel on the subject.

>

>John

>

>

>

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:46:42 -0600 (MDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>Health and wellness are not ONLY dependent on cellular nourishment and

>chemical homeostasis. What about addressing the issue of psychological and

>spiritual well being? If a male finds that frequent and satisfying sexual

>activity is pleasurable and fulfilling, does that not have a level of

>positive impact on ones overall level of wellness and health? If an herb

>like Muira Puama can enhance this aspect of the male sexuality, and do it

>without toxic effects or physiological/biological compromise, then how is

>that counter health? I see no difference here, than taking St. John's Wort

>for depression, Valerian for sleep problems, or Hawthorne for heart

>regulation. 



That last comment may be the real crux of the problem of using herbs.  We

try to use them ALLOPATHICALLY.  St. Johnswort, Valerian and Hawthorne may

be the most prescribed and most often misused herbs on the market (throw in

Echinacea and Goldenseal to this list).  Is Muira Puama next?  Instead of

just using an herb by itself to correct a symptom it would be better to

treat the WHOLE person.  Treat the cause NOT the symptom.  Depression is

not a root cause, nor sleeplessness, nor heart problems, nor sexual

dysfunction.  They are symptoms of underlying deep seated problems that

most likely have taken years or even generations to develop.  Our problem

is not identifying a symptom or suggesting a quick fix it is in proper

diagnosis and holistic recommendations.  The WHY must be satisfied.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:19:19 -0600 (MDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>:



>To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:

(snip)

>Echinacea and Goldenseal to this list).  Is Muira Puama next?  Instead of

>just using an herb by itself to correct a symptom it would be better to

>treat the WHOLE person.  Treat the cause NOT the symptom.  Depression is

>not a root cause, nor sleeplessness, nor heart problems, nor sexual 

>dysfunction.  They are symptoms of underlying deep seated problems that

>most likely have taken years or even generations to develop.  Our problem

>is not identifying a symptom or suggesting a quick fix it is in proper

>diagnosis and holistic recommendations.  



The WHY must be satisfied.   I agree about the WHY.   If this is a new

cluster of events, if you are in the Northeast, one issue is the recent

weather changes that can do a number on your resistance and the high

pollen counts that can give a you an allergy to something that last year

at this time you did not know that over the years you were slowly being

sensitized to.  If you are the right age and your family has any history,

adult onset diabetes is another consideration.

Other food intolerances can be developing.   Changes in life can add

stress to all possibilities, including a few that we haven't even thought

of.   Even if the changes are good and constitute improvements in your

lifestyle, they can add stress.    Good luck, good health and good

caution.  Marcia>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Barleygreen 

From: "Susan D. Kueffer" <sdkueff@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 08:54:06 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Susan D. Kueffer" <sdkueff@mindspring.com>:



Hi all!



I'm interested in learning as much as possible about Barleygreen, especially

concerning its use for the relief of wheezing in asthma sufferers.  From

everything I've been able to gather so far, it seems to offer many health

benefits including assimilation, alkalinity, chlorophyll, enzymes, protein,

vitamins & minerals.  Would anyone on this list be willing to provide me

with some information on Barleygreen, or direct me to reliable sources of

information about it?  Thanks.



Susan







-----------------------

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Hayward, CA

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Coffee Substitue

From: "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>

Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:01:24 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>:



To the person who asked for a coffee substitute recipe, here is one I use &

like a lot.



Dandelion Coffee Substitute



3 Parts Roasted Dandelion Root

2 Parts Roasted Chicory Root

1 part Sarsaparilla Root

1 part Irish Moss

1 part Fo-Ti

1/2 Part Licorice Root

1/2 Part Dried Orange Peel



Grind all the dried ingredients to the same coarseness as you like your

coffee and brew the same way you would coffee.  If you don't want to put

licorice in your blend, you may substitute powdered malt instead.  



You can add milk or drink black.  This is similar to coffee and

non-addicting!



Have fun with it,

Marcia the Herblady







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Hawthorn-Crataegus

From: "natural" <natural@wt.net>

Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 23:54:09 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "natural" <natural@wt.net>:





To my great surprise located a hawthorn tree today while wildcrafting.  Even

the local nursery was surprised hawthorn growing in our area.  Tree is

covered with gorgeous, fragrant blossoms.



Plan to go back tomorrow afternoon for the blossoms.  Would appreciate input

best preparation for fresh hawthorn flowers.



Many thanks and a blessed Easter.



Rosie











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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Hawthorn-Crataegus

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 01:35:35 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



Why wouldn't you just let them fruit?  I would think that that would be the

best preparation.

Joanie



>To my great surprise located a hawthorn tree today while wildcrafting.

Even

>the local nursery was surprised hawthorn growing in our area.  Tree is

>covered with gorgeous, fragrant blossoms.

>Plan to go back tomorrow afternoon for the blossoms.  Would appreciate

input

>best preparation for fresh hawthorn flowers.

>Rosie









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Hawthorn-Crataegus

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 11:12:00 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sun, 4 Apr 1999 01:35:35 -0500, "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com> wrote

to <herb@MyList.net>:



>Why wouldn't you just let them fruit?  I would think that that would be the

>best preparation.



Nah, the best is a fresh flowering twig tincture (1:2 95 %) mixed half and half

with a fresh berry tincture (1:2 95 %). That way you get the benefit of both

subsets of active constituents, without the possible side effects of dry plant

preparations.



Not that I remember what said side effects are, but I seem to dimly remember

there are such.



Henriette

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Hawthorn-Crataegus

From: "natural" <natural@wt.net>

Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:49:45 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "natural" <natural@wt.net>:





-

>Nah, the best is a fresh flowering twig tincture (1:2 95 %) mixed half and

half

>with a fresh berry tincture (1:2 95 %). That way you get the benefit of

both

>subsets of active constituents, without the possible side effects of dry

plant

>preparations.

>

>Not that I remember what said side effects are, but I seem to dimly

remember

>there are such.





Thanks Henrietta.  Never having my own hawthorn to tincture, purchased

quality extracts which included the fresh leaves and flowers.  I too

remember warnings aout side effects of dry plant and always careful to

purchase for clients the fresh plant material tinctures/extracts.



Just wasn't sure if 95% alcohol was indicated for the flowers.



I'll do the fresh twigs/leaves/flower tincture now, the ripe berries Fall

and combine both for one great tincture!



Warmly,



Rosie



PS: Did a quick PubMed search and thought you'd be interested in this:



Farmaco 1990 Feb;45(2):247-55



High-performance liquid chromatography of flavonoids  in Crataegus

oxyacantha L. IV. Reversed-phase high-pressure liquid chromatography in

flower, leaf and bud extractives of Crataegus oxyacantha L.



Ficarra P, Ficarra R, de Pasquale A, Monforte MT, Calabro ML

Dipartimento Farmaco-Chimica, Universita di Messina, Italy.



RP-HPLC has been used for qualitative and quantitative analysis of some

flavonoids in flowers, leaves and bud extracts of Crataegus oxyacantha L.

Peak identification was obtained by comparison with retention times of pure

standard substances and by UV analysis. Luteolin, luteolin-3',

7-diglucoside, apigenin, apigenin-7-O-glucoside and rutin have been

identified and determined.



PMID: 2133999, UI: 92181536



Inhibition of thromboxane A2 biosynthesis in vitro by the main components of

Crataegus oxyacantha (Hawthorn) flower heads.



Vibes J, Lasserre B, Gleye J, Declume C

Pharmacologie de la Regulation, CNRS Institut de Physiologie-2, Toulouse,

France.



A hydro-alcoholic extract from Crataegus o. (Co) flower heads inhibited

thromboxane A2 (TXA2) biosynthesis in vitro. This present study aims to find

out which are the active principles. The main components, as revealed by

chromatography, were tested. We also took into consideration catechin and

epicatechin: although they do not appear as such with chromatography because

of their polymerisation or-and condensed structure, these two

proanthocyanidins seem to play a major role in the mentioned activity of the

plant.



PMID: 8022851, UI: 94294467





*****PLANTA MEDICA*****Bahorun T  Trotin F  Pommery J  Vasseur J  Pinkas M

Antioxidant activities of Crataegus monogyna extracts.

In: Planta Med (1994 Aug) 60(4):323-8ISSN: 0032-0943

Interesting antioxidant activities of extracts from different vegetative and

reproductive organs of Crataegus monogyna harvested at different stages of

growth have been determined by the malondialdehyde-thiobarbituric acid (MDA)

test on hepatic microsomal preparations and compared to the contents in

total

phenolics, proanthocyanidins, catechins, flavonoids, and phenolic acids. The

best correlations were established with total phenols while activities in

leaves

seem to be influenced by flavonoids and in flowers and fruits by

proanthocyanidins and catechins.















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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Hawthorn-Crataegus

From: SBramscher@aol.com

Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 23:38:16 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from SBramscher@aol.com:



Henrietta and Rosie,



Could you expound a little more on the side effects of dry plant tinctures of 

Hawthorne.  I have a nice little jug sitting here macerating and now you have 

me really worried.  What is the problem with dry plant tinctures?



Sharon in Minnesota



<< , without the possible side effects of dry

 plant

 >preparations. >>









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: HAVE  "Maura Pauma" information.

From: Greenleaf <craft@altinet.net>

Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 12:13:16 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Greenleaf <craft@altinet.net>:



PLEASE REPLY privately (Attn:BJ) if still interested in information on

Maura Pauma. 



Bj Greenleaf

Greenleaf Recipes & Crafts

Mail-Order Workshop

email;  craft@altinet.net





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: HAVE  "Maura Pauma" information.

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 18:17:45 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Mon, 05 Apr 1999 12:13:16 -0500, Greenleaf <craft@altinet.net> wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>PLEASE REPLY privately (Attn:BJ) if still interested in information on

>Maura Pauma. 



It's not Maura pauma, it's muira puama... that doesn't bode well for your info.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Dandelion & Parsley longterm

From: Valexplore@aol.com

Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:19:25 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Valexplore@aol.com:



All,



Would someone please advise me if using dandelion & parsley extracts longterm 

is likely to have any ill effects on the kidneys (or any other organ)?



Many TIA,

Valerie Traina

valexplore@aol.com





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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Dandelion & Parsley longterm

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 11:02:22 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



At 01:19 PM 4/5/99 -0400, Valexplore@aol.com wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Valexplore@aol.com:

>

>All,

>

>Would someone please advise me if using dandelion & parsley extracts longterm 

>is likely to have any ill effects on the kidneys (or any other organ)?

>

>Many TIA,

>Valerie Traina

>valexplore@aol.com



These herbs are generally used to help the kidneys and liver and other

organs.  If used within normal constraints and not abused there should be

no reason to worry about using them long term.  Remember that parsley and

dandelion are diuretic though and it is possible to exhaust kidneys by

overuse of diuretics. You should make a good diagnosis and use all herbs

with wisdom and respect.  Don't just use them for a long time because you

think they might be good for you.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Dandelion & Parsley longterm

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 07:06:29 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



Concentrated extracts long term are more harsh than whole food use. Try

them fresh in salads, lightly steamed (dandelion) instead for beneficial

effect with little risk of damage.  Any chronic condition is better treated

with tonic herbs and foods (those with sweet or for kidneys sweet demulcent

taste) following cleansing, alterative, or palliative treatment.  Why do

you want to use these extracts long term?



Aliceann





At 01:19 PM 4/5/99 EDT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Valexplore@aol.com:

>

>All,

>

>Would someone please advise me if using dandelion & parsley extracts

longterm 

>is likely to have any ill effects on the kidneys (or any other organ)?

>

>Many TIA,

>Valerie Traina

>valexplore@aol.com

>

>

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To: "herb list" <herb@MyList.net>, <sapita@juno.com>

Subject: healing

From: "margo clayson" <margo@gemstate.net>

Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:04:46 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "margo clayson" <margo@gemstate.net>:



My best wishes to you- you have had a hard road!

	I do not read my mail too often, so do not know if you have recieved this

herbal option yet. Excuse me if I am duplicating advice already given!

	I had a badly broken leg a few years ago ( 6" spiral break, fractures and

ankle break) that I decided to not have pinned. The doctor 'assured'  me

that it would heal just fine.. 8 weeks later there was no bone growth and

he was talking surgury. I had not taken any herbs up to this point, but was

worried enough to get my act together and was fortunate enough to recieve

good advice. I began taking Dr. Christophers formula "BF&C" (bone, flesh

and cartilage). 2 weeks later, the x-ray showed significant bone growth. I

ran out of the herbs and quit taking them after 3 weeks. The next x-ray

showed only slight progress. I had some herbs overnighted to me and did not

quit taking again until I could walk without a limp several months later. 

	I cannot say that it will be your answer, however there is no doubt in my

mind that the herbs affected my healing.

	This is the formula of the BF&C- although I buy it premade!

White Oakbark      	6 parts;

 marshmallow root          3 parts

Mullein leaf     		3 parts

Wormwood   		2 parts

Lobelia   	            1 part

scullcap   		1 part

Comfrey root or leaf        6 parts  (note- the package says leaf...)

black walnut bark           3 parts

Gravel root     		3 parts



margo

margo@gemstate.net





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Garcinia/Brand names - questions (fwd)

From: Lisa Contreras <LMCONT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

Date: Tue, 06 Apr 99 09:39:07 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Lisa Contreras <LMCONT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>:



On Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:32:44 -0400 you said:

>To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:

>

>Chromium picolinate needs to be used cautiously by people with blood sugar

>problems--it actively affects blood sugar levels.

>Aliceann



So this would include people with diabetes or hypoglycemia?  Anything else?

My daughter doesn't have either of these conditions, but this is still good

information to have to pass on.  Thanks, Aliceann!

>

Now, does anyone have any information on the other questions that I had?  I am

very cautious about the brands I use and just because the below brands are

carried by a healthfood store that I trust, I am still leery about buying them

w/o knowing anything about their reputation.  Also, what can you all tell me

about garcinia?



Thanks again!



Lisa





>At 03:18 PM 4/1/99 EST, you wrote:

>>To herb@MyList.net from Lisa Contreras <LMCONT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>:

>>

>>Hi all,

>>

>>    Just have a few quick questions.

>>    First about brands, and I apologize if this has already beenanswered at

>> some previous point on the list because I never have seen it:  What is the

>> collective opinion of these product brands:  Rainbow Light, Sundown,

>Sunrider

>>  and Nature's Resource?

>>

>>  Next question.  My daughter - who will not, of course, listen to me about

>> anything, is taking a diet aid containing 250 mg of garcinia extract as

>its ma

>>jor ingredient.  The stuff is called CitriLean and is by Enzymatic

>Therapy. The

>> other ingredients are ginger root extract, fenugreek seed extract, curcuma

>>root extract (isn't this tumeric?) and chromium picolinate. (At least this

>one

>>doesn't contain ephedra or caffeine!)  Wil this stuff harm her in any way

>- ie

>> upset blood sugar balance, etc. ?  What do you all know about garcinia?  I

>>can't seem to find much about it.

>>

>>

>>Someday I will be filled with wisdom and learning and can give back a little

>>to you who have been so helpful to me.  But in the meantime, I will have to

>>keep asking questions.  (If there is a website re garcinia, let me know and I

>>will find it and print out the info to give to my daughter).

>>

>>

>>TIA

>>

>>Lisa Contreras

>>lmcont00@ukcc.uky.edu

>>

>>

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:       Re: Garcinia/Brand names - questions (fwd)

From: MajickLady@aol.com

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:13:17 EDT

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In a message dated 4/6/99 1:43:33 PM, you wrote:



<<So this would include people with diabetes or hypoglycemia?  Anything else?

My daughter doesn't have either of these conditions, but this is still good

information to have to pass on.  Thanks, Aliceann!>>



Not necessarily true. Unfortunately, I have personal experience with what too 

much Chromium picolinate can do to one's body. I was using it for faster 

conversion of fat to muscle while participating in a monitored exercise 

program. I am now severely hypoglycemic, struggling with continual migraines 

caused by the hypoglycemia, along with several other problems. Prior to the 

chromium I did not have any signs of health problems. Too much of anything 

has adverse reaction in the body.



Dianna





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:       Re: Garcinia/Brand names - questions (fwd)

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 08:06:46 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>Not necessarily true. Unfortunately, I have personal experience with what too 

>much Chromium picolinate can do to one's body. I was using it for faster 

>conversion of fat to muscle while participating in a monitored exercise 

>program. I am now severely hypoglycemic, struggling with continual migraines 

>caused by the hypoglycemia, along with several other problems. Prior to the 

>chromium I did not have any signs of health problems. Too much of anything 

>has adverse reaction in the body.

>

Just how much chromium picolinate were you taking?  Taking a normal

recommended dose most certainly will NOT bring on hypoglycaemia.

Hypoglycaemia is a constitutional disorder and is the result of long term

damage to the metabolic system.  You can have an inherited predisposition

to it.  Using too many stimulants, cold type foods, too much sugar over

long periods of time will contribute to it, as well as poor irregular

eating habits and lifestyle.  I seriously doubt that just taking chromium

picolinate will put you into this category.  Generally speaking moderate

doses of this are actually helpful in blood sugar regulation not damaging.

It might be interesting to know how you came to the conclusion that it was

this one particular thing.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Garcinia/Brand names - questions (fwd)

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:34:22 -0600 (MDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Not necessarily true. Unfortunately, I have personal experience with

> what too  much Chromium picolinate can do to one's body. I was using

> it for faster  conversion of fat to muscle while participating in a

> monitored exercise  program. I am now severely hypoglycemic,

> struggling with continual migraines  caused by the hypoglycemia,

> along with several other problems. Prior to the  chromium I did not

> have any signs of health problems. Too much of anything  has adverse

> reaction in the body.

> 

> Dianna



I seriously doubt that piccolinic acid had so much of an effect on you. There

have to be other factors. How much raw food do you eat (fruit and vegetables)?



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:  Re: Garcinia/Brand names - questions (fwd)

From: MajickLady@aol.com

Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:14:11 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from MajickLady@aol.com:





In a message dated 4/8/99 6:34:51 AM, you wrote:



<<I seriously doubt that piccolinic acid had so much of an effect on you. 

There

have to be other factors. How much raw food do you eat (fruit and vegetables)?



Paul>>



Quite a bit. I'm a large quantity veggie eater and a moderate fresh fruit 

eater.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Garcinia/Brand names - questions (fwd)

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:38:27 -0600 (MDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> <<I seriously doubt that piccolinic acid had so much of an effect on you. 

> There

> have to be other factors. How much raw food do you eat (fruit and

> vegetables)?

> 

> Paul>>

> 

> Quite a bit. I'm a large quantity veggie eater and a moderate fresh fruit 

> eater.



Not the diet for someone with 'hypoglycemia. You can hardly do worse than fruit

for such conditions.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Garcinia/Brand names - questions (fwd)

From: amber gibbs <xiao_fisch@yahoo.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:49:16 -0700 (PDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from amber gibbs <xiao_fisch@yahoo.com>:





>> Quite a bit. I'm a large quantity veggie eater and

>> a moderate fresh fruit 

>> eater. 

> Not the diet for someone with 'hypoglycemia. You can

> hardly do worse than fruit

> for such conditions.



Why?  I think a balanced diet is important in all individuals.  And I

certainly don't think fresh fruit badly affects anyone diagnosed with

hypoglycemia.  In fact, from the people I know who have it, the ones

with a better diet seem to suffer from less 'low blood sugar attacks.' 

But, I would love to why you think so because maybe I don't know

something :)

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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Garcinia/Brand names - questions (fwd)

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:36:51 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>>> Quite a bit. I'm a large quantity veggie eater and

>>> a moderate fresh fruit 

>>> eater. 

>> Not the diet for someone with 'hypoglycemia. You can

>> hardly do worse than fruit

>> for such conditions.

>

>Why?  I think a balanced diet is important in all individuals.  And I

>certainly don't think fresh fruit badly affects anyone diagnosed with

>hypoglycemia.  In fact, from the people I know who have it, the ones

>with a better diet seem to suffer from less 'low blood sugar attacks.' 

>But, I would love to why you think so because maybe I don't know

>something :)

>

As someone who has dealt with hypoglycaemia for 30 years, I can tell you

why.  They are high is sugars and they are cold in disposition.

Hypoglycaemia is a condition where the body produces too much insulin in

response to sugars in the blood.  Any simple sugars will produce a

hyperinsulin response.  It does not matter if those sugars are fructose,

sucrose, glucose, lactose or whatever.  Even nutrisweet can trigger a

response, I have found.  Hypoglycaemia is easily controlled with diet.  You

must eat a balance of proteins, fats and complex carbohydrates.  Eating an

apple, orange, baked potato or other simple carbohydrate by itself will

cause a drop in blood sugar within minutes and you will find yourself

shaking and hungry with disorientation and a headache.  Eating a handful of

nuts or a piece of jerky can restore balance.  Protein is essential to the

hypoglycaemic.  What the AMA calls a balanced diet my be out of balance for

some conditions.  However they try they cannot pigeonhole every-body.

Eating several times a day is important (small portions) to keep blood

sugar normalized.  I carry a protein snack with me. I never eat candy,

EVER.  There are several good books out these days that explain

hypoglycaemia and I'm sure if you read these you will get a better handle

on the why's.  I remember the days when MD's prescribed glucose tablets for

this condition.  Nothing could have been worse.  Weight skyrocketed, blood

sugar got worse and worse.  I think most are getting smarter these days but

don't count on MD's to know much about it.  Some don't even recognize it

and will prescribe anti-depressants to help you "deal" with these bizarre

symptoms.  Better to read about it yourself.  There is no "drug" to cure it

but you can live symptom free with proper diet.  A piece of fruit once in a

while won't hurt but you must eat it with protein and/or fats to keep from

having a blood sugar drop.  Regular frequent ingestion of fruit sugars will

worsen the condition.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Muira Puama ~ misspelled!

From: Greenleaf <craft@altinet.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:56:30 -0600 (MDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Greenleaf <craft@altinet.net>:



"Thank you Henriette!"  for catching my (( misspell ))

of Muira Puama in my letter posted TUESDAY of this week.



B.Greenleaf







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs for liverishness

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:56:44 -0600 (MDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Paul, I hope it's ok if I ask this. There's a "Liver Qi" remedy made by

> Jade that has Peony root, Lycii berries, Bepluerum root, and Sour Plum.

> Would this assist with the "liverishness" you described? Can this

> combination of herbs do any harm, if one wanted to give them a try?

> Thank you.--Alice



In a pinch such formulas might help, but when working with the liver it is

better to define the strategy. Otherwise, you can end up with further

symptomatic problems.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Books on Chinese herbalism?

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:57:29 -0600 (MDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I'm interested in learning more about Chinese herbalism and Chinese medicine

> in general.  Can any of you recommend good books on these subjects for me?  



Check the faq. 



This question is a bit hard to answer--there are many introductory books. When

you say 'more,' you give no indication of what you want to study, or what you

have studied. If you want a good answer, write a good question. It is a big

field.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: Books on Chinese herbalism?

From: Diana Rae <DianaRae@FairIsaac.com>

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:10:58 -0700 

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To herb@MyList.net from Diana Rae <DianaRae@FairIsaac.com>:



Thanks.  I have only read what's been on the herb list in the last few

months from you and a few others, so that's the limit of my education on

Chinese herbs and Chinese Medicine so far!  I'd like to focus specifically

on herbs (as opposed to animal parts), although I'm aware that it's more

complex than just that.  I am more familiar with "Western" herbs and their

uses.  Basically, I'm a beginner and need to start somewhere.  



:D



-----Original Message-----

From: p_iannone@lamg.com [mailto:p_iannone@lamg.com]

Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 8:57 AM

To: herb@mylist.net

Subject: Re: Books on Chinese herbalism?





To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I'm interested in learning more about Chinese herbalism and Chinese

medicine

> in general.  Can any of you recommend good books on these subjects for me?





Check the faq. 



This question is a bit hard to answer--there are many introductory books.

When

you say 'more,' you give no indication of what you want to study, or what

you

have studied. If you want a good answer, write a good question. It is a big

field.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: More Chinese herb stuff

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:30:29 -0600 (MDT)

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> >You CAN get pain relief from hot herbs, but that is not the traditional

> >treatment for stuck blood patterns, a mixed EXCESS (stuck

> blood)/deficiency (qi

> >and blood) condition, whereas Duhuo Ji Sheng Tang treats a DEFICIENCY (yang

> >qi)/excess (damp) pattern. Not the same thing at all.



> OK, let me try to understand.  Are you saying that arthritis is a mixed

> excess condition?  



No, arthritis is a syndrome, a collective diagnosis that has very little

probity for holistic healers. What it is in any case HAS to be read in the

INDIVIDUAL symptoms and signs. 



>If so what would your approach be. I'll have to ask why

> she chose this particular combination and get back to you.  I'm still

> struggling with terminology but catching on a little bit.  There is

> certainly stuck blood and deficiency involved.



She chose it because she has failed to interpret the signs properly. You do not

have cold-damp arthritis. You have stuck blood arthritis. Two totally different

diagnoses, totally different formulas needed. Your current formula does not

address stuck blood properly, and as the root of the condition, you cannot have

adequate Chinese therapy if you don't address it as primary.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: male potency herbs

From: NewJardin@aol.com

Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:24:39 -0600 (MDT)

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<<Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:38:46 -0400

 From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

 Subject: Re: MUIRA PUAMA??? anyone know

  

 Of all the wellness issues men need to face, sexual performance is at the

 bottom of the list.  There is a huge difference between nourishing

 reproductive tissue for optimum health and maximizing sexual performance.

 What a sad commentary on male identity and understanding of health.  

 

 Aliceann>>



Long ago when I did my clinical internship in psychology the powers that be 

decided I was *starchy* and needed to *loosen up.* They assigned me to the VA 

Center Impotence Clinic. This is just to give you my background. I strongly 

urge anyone having potency problems to GET A MEDICAL CHECKUP! If the blood 

pressure med you are on gives you the droops call your DR. Get a change in 

prescription. Don't take a drug you know nothing about which can spike your 

pressure and cause a heart attack or stroke.



Erectile Dysfunction is generally a strong systemic sign of trouble either 

physical or psychological. Don't mess around. Get a check up. The most common 

physical reasons for impotence are:

1)circulatory problems and high blood pressure

2)prostate problems including enlarged prostate and prostate cancer

3)undiagnosed diabeitis



The most common psychological reasons are:

1)overwhelming stress causing unconcious vaso-constriction

2) post traumatic stress issue around sexual issues



I would hate see someone having impotence due to enlarged prostate due to 

CANCER take saw palmetto and die from the undiagnosed cancer.(the most common 

use of this herb).



I would hate have someone who has PTSD caused potency problems trigger a 

psychotic episode by using yombine which can trigger flashbacks in people 

with PTSD. (a common potency herb)



I would hate to see someone get a heart attack using the viagra substitutes 

by elevating blood pressure. (brazilian bark etc)



If you need hints on how to approach your DR. about these sort of problems: I 

have an article on my professional site at:

ADVICE FOR WIVES AND PARTNERS

http://hometown.aol.com/PinteaReed/AWP.html



Please take such symptoms  seriously.

Lili

http://members.aol.com/PinteaReed/LPR.html







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Help to absorb iron?

From: Linda Shadley <jctmgmt@foothill.net>

Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:38:58 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Linda Shadley <jctmgmt@foothill.net>:



Could you tell me what I can take to help absorb iron?





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: Help to absorb iron?

From: Diana Rae <DianaRae@FairIsaac.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:51:31 -0700 

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1) *Stop* drinking carbonated beverages.  The phosphoric acid molecules

found in soda pop bind to the iron receptor sites in the stomach and prevent

iron absorption.



2) Get good rest.  Studies have shown that most iron absorption occurs while

you are sleeping.



3) Eat iron-rich plant foods:  beans and legumes, seeds and nuts, dried

fruit, prune juice, leaf greens such as broccoli, chard and beet greens.

Good fruit sources of iron include watermelon, raisins, and grapefruit. You

can also find iron in tomatoes, apples, bananas, oranges, strawberries, and

avocados. Other iron-rich foods that can help you achieve the recommended

daily amounts would be meats (which are rich in iron), oysters, tofu, kidney

beans, prune juice, and spinach. 



But be careful - some foods like tea, coffee, spinach, cocoa, whole grains,

bran and egg yolks may reduce absorption of the iron from iron-rich plant

foods.  Some phytates and fibers in whole grain cereals and nuts, calcium

and phosphorus in milk, the chemical EDTA in food additives, and tannic acid

interfere with iron absorption.



4) Take an iron supplement if you don't get enough in your diet. The

recommended daily intake of iron for women between the ages of nineteen to

fifty years is 15 milligrams, and for women over fifty-one years, it is 10

milligrams. For males, it is 10 milligrams per day. 



5) Eat Vitamin C-rich foods like oranges, melons, kiwis, strawberries,

broccoli or take Vitamin C supplements when you eat the iron-rich foods.

Vitamin C helps you absorb the iron in those foods.



:D

-----Original Message-----

From: Linda Shadley [mailto:jctmgmt@foothill.net]

Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 11:39 AM

To: herb@mylist.net

Subject: Help to absorb iron?





To herb@MyList.net from Linda Shadley <jctmgmt@foothill.net>:



Could you tell me what I can take to help absorb iron?





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Help to absorb iron?

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:22:22 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Take tincture of yellow or curley dock (Rumex crispus).  Start with 8

drops twice a day and add a drop each day until you reach as much as a

half teaspoon.  The Rumex crispus helps you absorb dietary iron but won't

work if you don't have it in your diet.



But too much iron is dangerous, particularly for men or women after

menopause.

The RDAs have been revised downward if I am not mistaken after finding

that increases in iron cause heart attacks.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

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There are fish that swim in the light and fish that swim in the mud. 

Both are part of the pond.



On Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:38:58 -0700 Linda Shadley <jctmgmt@foothill.net>

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Linda Shadley <jctmgmt@foothill.net>:

>

>Could you tell me what I can take to help absorb iron?

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Reducing Aluminum Levels

From: "Susan D. Kueffer" <sdkueff@mindspring.com>

Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:02:07 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from "Susan D. Kueffer" <sdkueff@mindspring.com>:



Hello everyone!



I would like to know if there are any herbs that would be helpful in

reducing aluminum levels in the body.  When I was a child, my mother did all

of her cooking on aluminum cookware, and as an adult I've been using

antiperspirants (containing aluminum) on a daily basis.  I've never been one

to drink a lot of soft drinks, but I have consumed plain seltzer water in

aluminum cans.  



Since I have a family history of Alzheimer's disease, and aluminum has been

reported to be a contributing factor in this disease, I thought it would be

wise to try to avoid aluminum intake as much as possible.  I'm just not sure

if aluminum levels will drop on their own, once the exposure to aluminum has

been stopped, or if I need to do something to help bring the level down.

I'd appreciate any information you can give me on this subject.  Thanks.



Susan



-----------------------

Susan Kueffer

Hayward, CA

sdkueff@mindspring.com







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Magnolias

From: Hideen@aol.com

Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:38:38 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Hideen@aol.com:



Hi 

My Magnolia tree is BEAUTIFUL!  It is so full of lovely blooms! The last 3 

years I have seen no blooms because of late frosts. Anyway, I was wondering 

if anybody has any ideas or suggestions for use of these very fragrant blooms 

(besides admiration) The tree is huge with plenty of blooms. Any 

suggestions?? I'm thinking maybe of trying to make magnolia water using the 

same process has you would for rose water.

 I can find nothing in any of my books on the properties magnolia's may have. 

I don't even know if they would dry well or hold their frangrance after 

drying. Any info would be great.

Thanks,

Adrianne





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Magnolias

From: rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>

Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:40:44 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>:







Hideen@aol.com wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Hideen@aol.com:

> 

> Hi

> My Magnolia tree is BEAUTIFUL!  It is so full of lovely blooms! The last 3

> years I have seen no blooms because of late frosts. Anyway, I was wondering

> if anybody has any ideas or suggestions for use of these very fragrant blooms

> (besides admiration) The tree is huge with plenty of blooms. Any

> suggestions?? I'm thinking maybe of trying to make magnolia water using the

> same process has you would for rose water.

>  I can find nothing in any of my books on the properties magnolia's may have.

> I don't even know if they would dry well or hold their frangrance after

> drying. Any info would be great.

> Thanks,

> Adrianne



Hi Adrianne!!



I am fascinated by our magnolias as well. Ours does not bloom until

later in the summer here. I found in two of my books things that you can

do with the bark, but nothing with the blossoms. Would you be interested

in what I found??



Cindi Z.

Vicksburg, Mississippi





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Magnolias

From: rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>

Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 16:41:53 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>:



Ok, here is what I have on Magnolias.



From Eyewitness Handbooks "Herbs" by Lesley Bremness on page 63: "M

officinalis. Flowers treat stomach and liver-gas pains. Bark is

harvested when 20-30 years old. Magnolia species are used for their

aromatic, stimulant, and tonic properties. The bark contains an

essential oil and a muscle relaxant, and is used to treat stomach

spasms, peptic ulcers, diarrhea, vomiting, coughs, and asthma. It is an

antiseptic treatment for typhoid, malaria, and salmonella."



From "Encyclopedia of Herbs & Their Uses" by Deni Bown on page 307-308:

"Magnoliaceae.  Magnolias of various kinds are used medicinally in N

America, originally by native tribes. The active constituents of

magnolia bark dissolve readily in alcohol, which gave rise to the use by

N American settlers of bitter, alcoholic extracts to prevent malaria. M.

officinalis contains magnocurarine, which is similar to curare (a muscle

relaxant)."



Hope this helps!!!



Cindi Z.

Vicksburg, Mississippi





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Magnolias

From: "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:45:34 -0000

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To herb@MyList.net from "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>:



>Anyway, I was wondering

> if anybody has any ideas or suggestions for use of these very fragrant

blooms

> (besides admiration) The tree is huge with plenty of blooms. Any

> suggestions?? I'm thinking maybe of trying to make magnolia water using

the

> same process has you would for rose water.

>  I can find nothing in any of my books on the properties magnolia's may

have.

> I don't even know if they would dry well or hold their frangrance after

> drying. Any info would be great.



Hi Adrianne,

Working with sented things is new for me also.



...  humm  ...

I remember something that E. Gibbins wrote something on the subject of

gathering scent form flowers. Just don't remember which book.

I _think_ he said (don't quote me, I have a poor memory, check out the

library) something along the lines of: Put blossems into jar, well packed.

Add oil (don't rember what kind). Let sit one month, shake often to mix

well. Strain out spent blossems. Replace with fresh, repeat two more times.



Don't know if same can be done with alcohol instead of oil. Should work.

Perhaps mix the two finished products?

Need orris root for fixitive? (Becareful here, some folks allergic to

perfumes are allergic to orris root.) Other fixitive for different scent?



As for properties, I don't know.

Aromatherepy (sp?) is new to me. Perhaps there is something in the library.



Magnolia water? Should have been popular before the Civil War. Possible

flavoring/medicinal uses.

Are you planning to distill the same way roses are? Should work.



Now you've got me courious.



How cold hardy are they? I live in zone 4 in severe winters, zone 5 when

lake affect works in mild winters. I've seen them advertiesed for here, but

I think it gets too cold.



Shirley Deming

Plattsburgh, New York

(yah, up there near the Canadian border)







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Magnolias

From: "Gail Freeman" <freeman@sktc.net>

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:29:53 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Gail Freeman" <freeman@sktc.net>:



>I don't even know if they would dry well or hold their frangrance after

>drying. Any info would be great.



Magnolias dry beautifully using silica gel.  They do not retain their scent

when dried that way, though.



Gail

mailtofreeman@sktc.net













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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: faq

From: jmission <jmission@indy.net>

Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 23:37:39 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from jmission <jmission@indy.net>:



What are the instructions for getting to the faq?



j









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: faq

From: rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>

Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:09:23 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>:







jmission wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from jmission <jmission@indy.net>:

> 

> What are the instructions for getting to the faq?

> 

> j



Hi j,



I am not real clear as to what you are talking about, but I am assuming

that it is the faq off of Henrietta's site--here is the address to the

faq for that:



http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/faqs/herbfaqs.html



Cindi Z.

Vicksburg, Mississippi





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Reducing aluminum levels

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:28:54 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Susan-



First I would have a hair analysis to see whether you have high aluminum

levels.  Secondly, I would try to build up the intestinal flora by

avoiding antibiotics except in life threatening cases and with

probiotics, FOS and live foods like yogurt, cheeses, miso, tempe,

pickles, sauerkraut, kim chee, buttermilk, kefir, acidophilous milk, etc.

 The intestinal flora plays a major role in preventing excess aluminum

from going into the bloodstream and will screen out dietary sources.  I

would worry less about naturally occuring metals in the diet- most herbs,

for example, show as high in heavy metals including aluminum when reduced

to ash in test tubes, but the body doesn't usually suffer unless its own

defenses are compromised.  Cilantro (corriander leaf) and red seaweeds

have been used to chelate minerals from the body (although many seaweeds

have high aluminum levels.)  



I  suggest daily dry brush massage- rubbing your skin vigorously with a

dry natural bristle backbrush to get the lymph and interstitial fluids

moving, to open pores and to help detoxify. This should be followed by a

hot shower.  Exercise to the point of sweating will help move things out

as well.  I suspect that cayenne, given in a form you can taste, will

help the circulation get things out so they can be excreted. 



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Reducing aluminum levels

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:03:10 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>:



Dear People: Reference Aluminum, what comes to mind is that cooking

tomatoes in an aluminum pot used to be a home method for cleaning

aluminum pots.  What the action was I couldn't tell you.  Maybe someone

else has information on this.  I am curious, because it could impact many

of us. Marcia



On Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:28:54 -0400 creationsgarden@juno.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

>Susan-  First I would have a hair analysis to see whether you have 

>high aluminum levels.  Secondly, I would try to build up the 

>intestinal flora by avoiding antibiotics except in life threatening 

>cases and with probiotics, FOS and live foods like yogurt, cheeses, 

>miso, tempe, pickles, sauerkraut, kim chee, buttermilk, kefir, 

>acidophilous milk, etc.  The intestinal flora plays a major role in 

>preventing excess aluminum from going into the bloodstream and will 

>screen out dietary sources.  I would worry less about naturally 

>occuring metals in the diet- most herbs, for example, show as high in 

>heavy metals including aluminum when reduced to ash in test tubes, but 

>the body doesn't usually suffer unless its own defenses are 

>compromised.  Cilantro (corriander leaf) and red seaweeds

>have been used to chelate minerals from the body (although many 

>seaweeds

>have high aluminum levels.)    I  suggest daily dry brush massage- 

>rubbing your skin vigorously with a dry natural bristle backbrush to 

>get the lymph and interstitial fluids moving, to open pores and to 

>help detoxify. This should be followed by a hot shower.  Exercise to 

>the point of sweating will help move things out

>as well.  I suspect that cayenne, given in a form you can taste, will

>help the circulation get things out so they can be excreted. 

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>*************************************** Email advice is not a 

>substitute for medical treatment.

>There are fish that swim in the light and fish that swim in the mud.  

>Both are part of the pond.  

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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Reducing aluminum levels

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:44:29 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>

>Dear People: Reference Aluminum, what comes to mind is that cooking

>tomatoes in an aluminum pot used to be a home method for cleaning

>aluminum pots.  What the action was I couldn't tell you.  Maybe someone

>else has information on this.  I am curious, because it could impact many

>of us. Marcia



Tomatoes are acidic (not as much these days as in former days however).

Aluminum is soft and will break down and be dissolved into solution by

simply cooking with it so a tomato will hasten the process.  If you've ever

looked at a well used aluminum pot, it will show pitting.  The aluminum

that used to fill those pits has been released into the food that was

cooked in the pot.  NEVER cook in aluminum.  If you have aluminum, get rid

of it and replace it with steel or enamel cookware.  By the way, putting

catsup (ketchup) on one of those copper bottoms of some cookware will shine

it up nicely.  Using aluminum cookware just slowly poisons your family.

Don't use it.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: aluminium

From: "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>

Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:47:56 EETDST

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To herb@MyList.net from "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>:



Susan asked how to reduce aluminium levels. 

While you are answering this serious question, I have a more small 

question related also to aluminium: 

I received as a gift "a valuable crystal stone", which is 

supposed to act as a natural antiperspirant. Quickly I became 

reluctant to use it, because I heard, it is not functioning with a 

new science or magic either, but with the old trick: alum. Like Susan 

said, aluminium can be main ingredient in antiperspirants. I would 

like to ask you, is this stone crystal really functioning in the same 

way like alum generally, blocking pores in skin and stopping natural 

sweating like antiperspirants (not very natural in my mind)?

What would be a herbal alternative? I have used so far a mixture of 

sage, thyme and vervain (?) with succes, but I think you have better 

choices also (herbs as skinfriendly antimicrobials, not as  

perfumes). 

Antti Hovi













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To: "H.Herb" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: cellulitis

From: "jfoster" <jfoster1@cableone.net>

Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:49:24 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "jfoster" <jfoster1@cableone.net>:



My father was diagnosed with cellulitis this morning and  addmited to the

hospital. He is a diabetic so circulation is a issue here. I started him on

echinecea last night with a dose of a teaspoonful. He had  a teaspoonful

twice this morning before being admitted. I am going to sneak some in the

hospital and continue the dosage while there. I figure on a teaspoonful ever

couple of hours for the first couple of days. I felt echinecea was one of

the herbs of choice for this situation since this bacteria produces the

enzyme hyluronadase (sp.) and echinecea contains hyluronic acid. Looking for

some more brainstorming on this one though.

Thanks   John     jfoster1@cableone.net











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Glass jars

From: Christine Pereira <cdlpereira@yahoo.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:10:11 -0700 (PDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Christine Pereira <cdlpereira@yahoo.com>:



Greetings :)



I was wondering if anyone could give me their

recommendations on what companies and/or sites (or

individuals) that sell those large glass (usually blue

or brown)containers with lids to purchase from?  I

need to store the herbs that I have.  Dark containers

are best, correct? Remember, I am still new at this.

Thanks!



Please help!

TIA

Be well!

Christine



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Glass jars

From: rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>

Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:45:40 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>:







Christine Pereira wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Christine Pereira <cdlpereira@yahoo.com>:

> 

> Greetings :)

> 

> I was wondering if anyone could give me their

> recommendations on what companies and/or sites (or

> individuals) that sell those large glass (usually blue

> or brown)containers with lids to purchase from?  I

> need to store the herbs that I have.  Dark containers

> are best, correct? Remember, I am still new at this.

> Thanks!

> 

> Please help!

> TIA

> Be well!

> Christine

> 





Here are three sites on the internet that sell various jars and

containers. I think that you will find what you need in one of these!! I

store my herbs in canning jars, and then store the jars in the original

box that the jars came in and keep those in a dark cool room. But these

sites list dark and blue jars. Hope this helps!!



http://www.specialtybottle.com/



http://www.sunburstbottle.com/



http://www.sks-bottle.com/



Cindi Z.

Vicksburg, Mississippi





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Glass jars

From: diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu>

Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 15:46:28 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu>:



Christine Pereira wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Christine Pereira <cdlpereira@yahoo.com>:

> 

> Greetings :)

> 

> I was wondering if anyone could give me their

> recommendations on what companies and/or sites (or

> individuals) that sell those large glass (usually blue

> or brown)containers with lids to purchase from?  I

> need to store the herbs that I have.  Dark containers

> are best, correct? Remember, I am still new at this.

> Thanks!



How large? Johnny's Seeds sells brown and cobalt bottles, with or

without the droppers. http://www.johnnyseeds.com/



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: aromatheraphy list

From: Judy and Bob McCabe <mccabe2@execpc.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:10:36 -0600 (MDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Judy and Bob McCabe <mccabe2@execpc.com>:



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At 11:04 PM 4/8/99 EDT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from MARDI2GRAS@aol.com:

>

>sorry if off topic but I would like to join a aromatherapy list. could some 

>one please direct me. thankyou





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Transient Ischemic Attack

From: Susan Strasser <strasser@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:25:52 -0400 (EDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Susan Strasser <strasser@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>:





Hello to you all --



I have been lurking on and learning from this list for awhile, and would

have been happy to remain silent, but I spent yesterday morning in the

emergency room after what was diagnosed (from a CAT scan, an ultrasound on

my carotid arteries, some blood work, and a lot of monitoring of this and

that) as a TIA (transient ischemic attack).  I had awakened with my left

side numb, and when I tried to get out of bed, my left leg collapsed under

me.  I began to recover instantly and was fine by the time I got to the

hospital.  I'm convinced that it was indeed transient, but I'm worried and

full of questions.



1)The CAT scan involved 19 x-rays.  Can I do anything to counteract this?

I remember reading something about seaweed and epsom salt baths, but I

can't remember what or where.



2)I've been taking gingko (Gaia, a dropperful morning and night) since

last August for memory lapses (usually forgetting names of things, knowing

they'll come to me -- ok when I'm at the computer, embarrassing when I'm

speaking in public).  Should I change that considering this event?  Seems

like a vasodilator is a good idea, no? 



3)As far as I can tell, I have none of the risk factors for stroke.  I

consider myself generally healthy (51, perimenopausal, a little

overweight, but I get plenty of exercise, do yoga, am on no allopathic

medications, have blood pressure generally 105-115/70-80, drink a little

green tea but no other caffeine, etc.) and have no family history of

stroke.  Are there steps I should be taking to avoid another such

incident, or worse, a serious stroke???



4)Considering #3, I am beginning to wonder whether this was indeed a TIA

or some other kind of neurological event not caused by lack of blood to

the brain.  Obviously none of you can diagnose this in cyberspace, but I'm

interested in ideas.



Thaks for whatever you can tell me, and for all I learn from this list.



Best wishes, Susie Strasser







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Transient Ischemic Attack

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:33:42 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



Oh, my, Susan!

I spent yesterday in the hospital, too, as my 77 year old father had a TIA,

with virtually the same symptoms and quick recovery (though  his recovery

was temporary, he regained and then again lost his ability to walk over the

course of the morning), low blood pressure and all, too.  Though he, due to

previous strokes, is not nearly as lucid about it as you..And he has

steadfastly refused to adopt a healthy lifestyle.  And he is still in the

hospital.

Anyway, I have no answers here, but I do wonder what else your  present diet

consists of, what kind of climate you live in, and whether you were

prescribed anything after your experience yesterday?  Ginkgo acts as a blood

thinner which theoretically should help to prevent this sort of thing from

happening, but it seems that there is a lot more about it (both ginkgo and

what triggers a TIA) that I do not understand....My father's allopathic and

natural blood thinners did not prevent his TIA, but they may have prevented

a recurrence of a more devastating stroke.  I am interested in what may be

said about all this.  Good luck to you, though.

Joanie



> I spent yesterday morning in the

>emergency room after what was diagnosed (from a CAT scan, an ultrasound on

>my carotid arteries, some blood work, and a lot of monitoring of this and

>that) as a TIA (transient ischemic attack).  <>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Transient Ischemic Attack

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:53:00 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>:







On Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Susan Strasser

<strasser@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Susan Strasser <strasser@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>:

>

>

>Hello to you all --

>

>I have been lurking on and learning from this list for awhile, and 

>would

>have been happy to remain silent, but I spent yesterday morning in 

>the

>emergency room after what was diagnosed (from a CAT scan, an 

>ultrasound on

>my carotid arteries, some blood work, and a lot of monitoring of this 

>and

>that) as a TIA (transient ischemic attack).  I had awakened with my 

>left

>side numb, and when I tried to get out of bed, my left leg collapsed 

>under

>me.  I began to recover instantly and was fine by the time I got to 

>the

>hospital.  I'm convinced that it was indeed transient, but I'm worried 

>and

>full of questions.

>

>1)The CAT scan involved 19 x-rays.  Can I do anything to counteract 

>this?

>I remember reading something about seaweed and epsom salt baths, but 

>I

>can't remember what or where.

>

>2)I've been taking gingko (Gaia, a dropperful morning and night) 

>since

>last August for memory lapses (usually forgetting names of things, 

>knowing

>they'll come to me -- ok when I'm at the computer, embarrassing when 

>I'm

>speaking in public).  Should I change that considering this event?  

>Seems

>like a vasodilator is a good idea, no? 

>

>3)As far as I can tell, I have none of the risk factors for stroke.  

>I

>consider myself generally healthy (51, perimenopausal, a little

>overweight, but I get plenty of exercise, do yoga, am on no 

>allopathic

>medications, have blood pressure generally 105-115/70-80, drink a 

>little

>green tea but no other caffeine, etc.) and have no family history of

>stroke.  Are there steps I should be taking to avoid another such

>incident, or worse, a serious stroke???

>

>4)Considering #3, I am beginning to wonder whether this was indeed a 

>TIA

>or some other kind of neurological event not caused by lack of blood 

>to

>the brain.  Obviously none of you can diagnose this in cyberspace, but 

>I'm

>interested in ideas.

>

>Thaks for whatever you can tell me, and for all I learn from this 

>list.

>

>Best wishes, Susie Strasser



You probably have accumulated some background information and a "clutter"

of all kinds of source books. From "cyberspace" my intuition is that you

should read about garlic as a supplement, oil of evening primrose and

other sources of GLA, herbs and other things that are generous in calcium

and potassium, and perhaps vitamin E, and consider whether your "event"

might have been triggered by allergies, hormonal changes, possible adult

onset diabetes, especially if this was not investigated and you are

currently  "off your feed", and if the conditions were right at the

moment, any and all could have triggered a TIA.   Do read, learn and talk

to your doctor, Good luck, good health and good caution, Marcia.

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Transient Ischemic Attack

From: Susan Strasser <strasser@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:31:14 -0400 (EDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Susan Strasser <strasser@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>:



Thanks, Joanie and Marcia--and Joanie, I'm so sorry to hear about your

father.  I live in Maryland outside of Washington, DC -- more interesting,

probably, in terms of Marcia's question about allergies this time of year

than Joanie's about climate, this being far and away our best season,

though previously I've been hit by the oak pollen that will show up in a

couple of weeks rather than the stuff that's around now.  My diet varies

according to my energy for shopping and cooking, but I don't eat red meat,

try to do whole grains instead of refined ones, and do eat lots of fruit.  



So far, I've only been prescribed aspirin (by the emergency room doc), but

will see what happens with appointments next week.  And I'm thinking about

potassium, Marcia -- the hospital actually handed me a printout of my

bloodwork (basic metabolic panel, complete blood count, differential) and

only two tests out of 22 were abnormal, one of them being potassium (3.5,

with normal range 3.6-5.0)--the other was chloride (109, with normal

98-107).  I plan to ask my regular doc how this compares with previous

bloodwork.



Anyhow, will keep you posted; Joanie, I hope your father recovers as

completely as I did.



Best, Susie











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Transient Ischemic Attack

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:21:25 -0600 (MDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> 2)I've been taking gingko (Gaia, a dropperful morning and night) since

> last August for memory lapses (usually forgetting names of things, knowing

> they'll come to me -- ok when I'm at the computer, embarrassing when I'm

> speaking in public).  Should I change that considering this event?  Seems

> like a vasodilator is a good idea, no? 

> 

> 3)As far as I can tell, I have none of the risk factors for stroke.  I

> consider myself generally healthy (51, perimenopausal, a little

> overweight, but I get plenty of exercise, do yoga, am on no allopathic

> medications, have blood pressure generally 105-115/70-80, drink a little

> green tea but no other caffeine, etc.) and have no family history of

> stroke.  Are there steps I should be taking to avoid another such

> incident, or worse, a serious stroke???



Concentration problems, memory lapses, are generally signs of weak digestion.

They are signs of qi depletion, which often results from weak digestion. 



The qi maintains the vessels, so if the qi is deficient the vessels are lax. If

indeed you have qi deficiency (you probably feel a bit breathless, not in very

high vitality), then ginseng is indicated.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herbs that cook

From: Drolma@aol.com

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 13:08:37 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Drolma@aol.com:





Why are some herbs so amazingly delicious to the palette?

Is it possible there is a healing connection ?  I was over the moon 

with the  turmuric and mustard greens that was suggested

here on the list!  Its nearly transcendental how some culinary herbs enhance

and compliment foods -- Nutmeg and brussel sprouts.  Mainly India

recipies (hundreds of years perfecting vegitarianism and royal palletts)







My question is one of pondering why this blissful combination of certain

herbs and certain vegetables (leave out meat and dairy, my father would

have said that a well cooked steak with a slab of butter on it was ecstatic

to him...but he died of a heart attack at age 42) so? Is a nutritional 

connection in the digestive process?  or is the taste the key to some

level of enjoyment of food that helps the system to digest?



pam

(now that I dont ache all day, I am discerning subtleties again)

I read that aching joints comes also from holding resentment and

am working on identifying the resentment and clearing from myself.

This is posted as a footnote, not a topic...but darn interesting if you

suffer from "arthritis" 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs that cook

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:37:47 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



Pam, in Ayurveda, all foods and herbs are identified by:  rasa or taste

(sweet, sour, pungent, salty, bitter, astringent), virya or potency

(heating/cooling), and vipak or post-digestive effect (what they do for the

body tissues and channels).  Ayurvedic cooking is entirely planned around

food tasting good, being very fresh, in the correct amounts, and in the

right combinations to nourish the body and mind.  Your observations reflect

this very well.



Aliceann Carlton

ayurveda@mint.net





At 01:08 PM 4/10/99 EDT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Drolma@aol.com:

>

>

>Why are some herbs so amazingly delicious to the palette?

>Is it possible there is a healing connection ?  I was over the moon 

>with the  turmuric and mustard greens that was suggested

>here on the list!  Its nearly transcendental how some culinary herbs enhance

>and compliment foods -- Nutmeg and brussel sprouts.  Mainly India

>recipies (hundreds of years perfecting vegitarianism and royal palletts)

>

>

>

>My question is one of pondering why this blissful combination of certain

>herbs and certain vegetables (leave out meat and dairy, my father would

>have said that a well cooked steak with a slab of butter on it was ecstatic

>to him...but he died of a heart attack at age 42) so? Is a nutritional 

>connection in the digestive process?  or is the taste the key to some

>level of enjoyment of food that helps the system to digest?

>

>pam

>(now that I dont ache all day, I am discerning subtleties again)

>I read that aching joints comes also from holding resentment and

>am working on identifying the resentment and clearing from myself.

>This is posted as a footnote, not a topic...but darn interesting if you

>suffer from "arthritis" 

>

>

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs that cook

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:36:43 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



Are culinary herb & food combinations widely considered enjoyable, or does it

vary greatly among individuals?  Regarding nutmeg and brussels sprouts, with my

reaction to mace, though not severe, I can't see nutmeg or mace as good with 

anything.  As for turmeric and mustard, I've never thought of that particular

combination, and would not hold out for mustard greens as opposed to collards or

turnip greens, but I wish fresh turmeric were more widely available.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Herbs that cook

From: "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:57:23 -0000

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>:





Hi Pam,

You've asked a question that is difficult to answer. I imagian that cooks,

doctors, and mothers the world over have asked this very same question since

our species noticed this phenomenon.

I'm not what the world would call a learned person as my formal education

was cut short in college. (No degree to my name, but I haven't stoped

reading.)   ;-)



IMHO there are several theories that answers your question. (There are

probably more, but I leave my more learned colleges on the net to educate us

there.) Which one(s) come into play here depends on many conditions. (They

seem to change.)



One is genetics. I remember from my High School Genitics class (I'm now 45

years old so this data could stand to be updated. My notes have been lost in

a house fire so I'm working from memory.) that there is a gene that

controls, to a limited extent, how we tast some things. There is a

substance, don't remember what, that tasts eather sour or sweet. (I imagine

that this will have _some_ effect of how we preceive how something tasts.)



Another is the conditions that the food was grown in. Connoisseurs of wine

and foods can tell you more about this. An agriculturist could give you more

scientific detailes. And don't forget time of harvest (green or dead ripe),

amount of freshness (straight from your garden or trucked accrossed several

time zones and sat in the store for a few days), storage procedures (canned,

dried, frozen).



A third is how the food was prepaired. Although the same dish could have

been prepaired the same way but the ingrediants came from different sources.

This is how the second theory can overide the third. (See how complicated

this can get?)



A fourth is concerning the bodies instinctive reaction to problems. I

remember reading something about the problem one lady had. She craved

laundry starch. Much debate between Psychologists and Physicians on this

one. (It wasn't that she needed this paticular item in her diet, it was a

warning that something was wrong and needed to be delt with. But this is

from my memory, and this debate could have gone on longer than I was able to

get information.) Gatoraid (nci) is an excelent example of how some foods

are precieved by our bodies in time of need. (I belong to a medievial study

group. Some of the group dress up in armor and whak each other with padded

sticks on the battle field. Besides bruses and lots of physical contact,

they do copious amounts of sweating. Much salt and electrolites are lost.

I've heard many a fighter sing the praises of Gatoraid for getting back on

their feet. "If it tasts good - drink it, you need it and continue to drink

it 'til it tasts bad - then you've had enough." The same workes for various

other flavored drinks, commercial or home made. It's just that this is a

recognised brand name that is easly obtained, has high salt content, no

caffine, low sugar.) I think this is more of what you have in mind with your

question. (The answer to your question is a resounding _yes_.)



Can anyone else on the net give more informatin than what I've given? I too

would like to know. Anyone out there working in the sports medicine field?

With spring here there is more outdoor activity (sports, recreation,

gardening) and more knollege alonge this line would be handy.



Is there a web site with the nutritional information Pam and I are looking

for? (My creazy work schedual restricts my use of the local libraries.)  :-(



Of cource don't forget that personal habits (smoking, drinking, eating

heavely spiced foods) play a part on how well one can tast food, as well as

medications (anti-hystimines), general health (how are your adnoides), and a

host of other things that effect how well our sences work.



Hope I've helped you in some way. If not in answering your question, but in

helping you decide what route to take to find more infomation.

I know its raised some questions I should be asking in my studies.



Thank you and good luck,

Shirley







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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs that cook

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:17:19 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>

>Why are some herbs so amazingly delicious to the palette?

>Is it possible there is a healing connection ?  

snip<

 Is a nutritional 

>connection in the digestive process?  or is the taste the key to some

>level of enjoyment of food that helps the system to digest?



Herbs ARE food.  I don't know who first said that your food should be your

medicine.  Many culinary herbs stimulate and enhance digestion.  Isn't it

wonderful that God made them so delightful to ingest.  Of course, any good

herbalist recognizes the need to begin the healing process by normalizing

digestion and elimination first.  Start with the basis of life first.  It's

common knowledge that tasting bitters and other herbs begins their work on

the body.  Homeopathics are ingested faster by dropping them under the

tongue where they are directed through the body from those thin cell walls.

 Of course taste has everything to do with healing.  There's no accident

that fennel, marjoram, savory, turmeric and many others help the digestive

process and along with that complement the foods they season.  It's all in

the plan.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs that cook

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:29:53 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



Try Amadea Morningstar's Ayurvedic Cookbook and Ayurvedic Cooking for

Westerners (nci).  Another excellent one is Maya Tiwari's A Life of

Balance.  All three help the reader understand the energetics and

nutritional benefits of foods and herbs including what doshas they fit

(constitution), what seasons are best for different foods, and how to

prepare them. They are wonderful reading and good basic information on

Ayurveda which is defined as "The Science of Life"  Because the system is

universal, the foods are also.  Many of the herbs and spices are Indian and

many are western.  The recipes are nice to look at and appetizing.  Enjoy...







At 08:19 AM 4/12/99 -0700, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:

>

>Can anyone suggest a cookbook with these kind of recipes?

>TIA, Natalie

>

>>To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:

>>

>>Pam, in Ayurveda, all foods and herbs are identified by:  rasa or taste

>>(sweet, sour, pungent, salty, bitter, astringent), virya or potency

>>(heating/cooling), and vipak or post-digestive effect (what they do for the

>>body tissues and channels).  Ayurvedic cooking is entirely planned around

>>food tasting good, being very fresh, in the correct amounts, and in the

>>right combinations to nourish the body and mind.  Your observations reflect

>>this very well.

>>

>>Aliceann Carlton

>>ayurveda@mint.net

>>

>>

>>At 01:08 PM 4/10/99 EDT, you wrote:

>>>To herb@MyList.net from Drolma@aol.com:

>>>

>>>

>>>Why are some herbs so amazingly delicious to the palette?

>>>Is it possible there is a healing connection ?  I was over the moon

>>>with the  turmuric and mustard greens that was suggested

>>>here on the list!  Its nearly transcendental how some culinary herbs

enhance

>>>and compliment foods -- Nutmeg and brussel sprouts.  Mainly India

>

>Natalie Pastor

>Library Instruction/Graphic Services

>SDSU Library

>npastor@mail.sdsu.edu

>

>flowing with the go.....

>

>http://southwestherbs.freeservers.com//

>http://treesforhealth.freeservers.com//

>

>

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: ADHD

From: COG197@aol.com

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:40:35 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from COG197@aol.com:



Hi

This has been probably asked a million times but are there any herbal 

treatments for ADHD.  I hate the thought of giving a child Ritalin

Jeanne





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ADHD

From: KR1989@aol.com

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:33:01 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from KR1989@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/10/99 2:41:38 PM Central Daylight Time, COG197@AOL.COM 

writes:



<< Hi

 This has been probably asked a million times but are there any herbal 

 treatments for ADHD.  I hate the thought of giving a child Ritalin

 Jeanne >>



Try cutting colorants and sugars from his diet.  It really isn't as hard as 

you think.  A lot of kids I've seen with ADHD are most effected by red dye 

especially.  Start buying "goodies" from a health food store.  Natural 

carbonated fruit juice tastes just like pop, and they have candy without 

colorants.  Carob and yogurt covered peanuts and raisons taste great!  Try it 

for a while and see if it works

Kathy





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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ADHD

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:24:19 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





> This has been probably asked a million times but are there any herbal 

> treatments for ADHD.  I hate the thought of giving a child Ritalin

> Jeanne >>

>

>Try cutting colorants and sugars from his diet.  It really isn't as hard as 

>you think.  A lot of kids I've seen with ADHD are most effected by red dye 

>especially.  Start buying "goodies" from a health food store.  Natural 

>carbonated fruit juice tastes just like pop, and they have candy without 

>colorants.  Carob and yogurt covered peanuts and raisons taste great!  Try it 

>for a while and see if it works



There's a book on the subject called something like RITALIN FREE KIDS.  I

can't recall the exact title just now.  But I checked it out a couple years

ago and it looks like a good book to help parents who want to avoid

drugging their children.  You may have to avoid even the seemingly harmless

things mentioned in the above post.  Some children are extremely sensitive

to any type of simple sugar including fruits and juices.  Diet is a primary

factor in ADHD.  Might also be a good idea to have the child checked by a

holistic healer or another doctor who is not "drug happy".





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: ADHD

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 09:36:07 -0600 (MDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:



> To herb@MyList.net from KR1989@aol.com:

> Try cutting colorants and sugars from his diet.  It really isn't as hard as

> you think.  A lot of kids I've seen with ADHD are most effected by red dye

> especially.  Start buying "goodies" from a health food store.  Natural

> carbonated fruit juice tastes just like pop, and they have candy without

> colorants.  Carob and yogurt covered peanuts and raisons taste great!  Try it

> for a while and see if it works

> Kathy



Some people report good results adding evening primrose/flax/fish oils to

the diet (it takes a month or two for results to show up) and gingko is also

reported to be helpful.



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   Send an email to:   add-holistic-request@mLists.net

   with the following command in the BODY of the email



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ADHD

From: Carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:59:33 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



At 03:40 PM 4/10/99 EDT, COG197@aol.com wrote:

>Hi

>This has been probably asked a million times but are there any herbal 

>treatments for ADHD.  I hate the thought of giving a child Ritalin

>Jeanne



Let me start by saying that there have already been a couple replies to

this question ... this time, and as Jeanne surmises, this discussion seems

to recur about every 3 months so I'm guessing that the archives (am I

right, Henriette?) will, by now, contain a wealth of suggestions.  



Each time it arises, I ask the same thing:  how are we so certain that

we're dealing with an hyper-active child as opposed to an hypo-active

parent?  (read also as hypo-active school system, etc., etc.)  



Certainly diet can (and does) play a large role in the growth and

development and behavior of each of us... I don't think a 'diagnosis' is

needed to understand that ... but there is a great deal more to be

addressed here.  Herbs can, and should, be a component of diet ... as has

been mentioned on several occasions and within several different threads.

Ritalin has been used as a 'treatment' for many years as most people are by

now aware... to the point where it has become one of the most prescibed

drugs in the world.  Yet the presumption of needing to 'fix' this or

'treat' that continues.



I would submit that many other things need to be examined ... including the

diagnosis itself... before launching into a search for a 'treatment.'  Look

at how the child's day is structured or not... the appropriateness of the

tasks he or she is expected to perform... the duration of similar tasks...

each of us, whether we have an active diagnosis or not, can easily

understand how becoming somewhat less than completely devoted could very

reasonably occur.  Just think back to when you last stood in line at the

DMV for goodness sake!



Scott Carlton

carlton@mint.net





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http://www.Geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/7136/ ... an eclectic gathering of

photos, writings, discussions, and links ... also spider classifications...

working draft of "The Spider Species of Maine" now available.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:  Re: ADHD

From: VetiverGal@aol.com

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:13:43 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from VetiverGal@aol.com:





In a message dated 11/4/99 6:07:00 pm, you wrote:



<<I would submit that many other things need to be examined ... including the

diagnosis itself... before launching into a search for a 'treatment.'  Look

at how the child's day is structured or not... the appropriateness of the

tasks he or she is expected to perform... the duration of similar tasks...

each of us, whether we have an active diagnosis or not, can easily

understand how becoming somewhat less than completely devoted could very

reasonably occur.  Just think back to when you last stood in line at the

DMV for goodness sake!>>





Yes, and look at the school situation, as mentioned.  Many people whose 

children are labelled "ADD" are homeschooled and do fabulously once they are 

removed from the hypo/hyperactive school environment.  They grow up to go to 

college if they desire, become successful, all without drugs and labels.



Amy





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ADHD

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:48:11 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/11/99 2:06:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, carlton@mint.net 

writes:



<< I would submit that many other things need to be examined ... including the

 diagnosis itself... before launching into a search for a 'treatment.'  Look

 at how the child's day is structured or not... the appropriateness of the

 tasks he or she is expected to perform... the duration of similar tasks...

 each of us, whether we have an active diagnosis or not, can easily

 understand how becoming somewhat less than completely devoted could very

 reasonably occur.  Just think back to when you last stood in line at the

 DMV for goodness sake!

 

 Scott Carlton

 carlton@mint.net

 

  >>



I ADD:



Scott you raise some valuable points.  I've seen both.  I've seen ritalin 

prescribed for a child based on a teacher's say-so, and as a convenience to 

the school system.  It robbed these children of their personalities in so 

many cases, when simple time, explanations, and more patience would have 

helped.



I've seen children improve on better diets with the elimination of sugars, 

dyes, and food additives.  And I've used a component of EFA's, vitamin F, and 

flower essences to assist with this regime.



But the overall fact is that if a child is not improving in school, has a 

disruptive nature, is impatient with him or herself, cannot stay on task past 

20 minutes or so, gets angry at the school, parents and teachers and mostly 

themselves, and is failing in school some sort of impairment should be looked 

at.  Some psychologists do have testing for this but it is costly and makes 

many children feel more "abnormal," and I believe placing a "label" on them 

does not help.  Usually I do observation and take a history from both parent 

and child.  Then I do a physical exam, and we start slowly on the food and 

supplement regime.

I add herbs and essences as needed and we've had success.  We've had greater 

success with just giving the child a "safe" place to come and to talk about 

what's happening, and by making them responsible for taking their own 

supplements during the day.  That way they are participating in their own 

destiny and can talk to somebody other than mom or the teacher about how they 

are really feeling.



As you can tell this is a love of mine, getting these kids to do better, and 

I can't stress enough there are natural alternatives for hyperactivity and 

ADD.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

Professional Consultations

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

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                                 ***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.











  





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Re: ADHD

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:16:46 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:



Actually, according to a recent article in New Yorker ADD kids seem to do

quite poorly at video games (even though they might enjoy playing them and

play for extended periods). It seems that they have less ability to modulate

their actions so that their spacecraft or whatever will more often run into

walls.



ADD/ADHD people have very real and measurable, neurological differences. It

used to be that we blamed the child (or adult) saying they were lazy and

irresponsible, or we blamed the parent for not raising them properly or we

blame the school for not giving them a suitable environment or programme.

Anything but accept that the child's mind does work different and that it

may be the result of an imbalance or deficiency. If anyone suspects there

child has ADD its well worth looking at their diet FIRST. Why not? It can't

hurt, its the easiest thing to change and just about anyone's diet could be

improved.



In ayurvedic terms I suspect that ADD is generally a Vata disturbance - one

reason that oils in the diet seem to help.



----- Original Message -----

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@telebyte.net>

To: <herb@MyList.net>

Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 1:00 AM

Subject: Re: Re: ADHD





> any kid that can

> sit down and play a computer game, doesn't have any form of ADHD.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: natural birth control

From: celiag@email.com

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:53:55 -0400 (EDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from celiag@email.com:



Hello,



I am getting married in two months, and have no desire to take birth control pills, but we are not financially ready for children yet.

  

How do others meet this challenge using herbs to keep from getting pregnant? I am aware of the natural rhythm methods, but would like to know of ways using herbs to supplement this method, if possible, for more peace of mind.



Thank you so much in advance,



Celia Gordon



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: natural birth control

From: "Jeff E. Kinzli" <kinzli@cisco.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:00:38 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from "Jeff E. Kinzli" <kinzli@cisco.com>:



On Sat, Apr 10, 1999 at 05:53:55PM -0400, celiag@email.com wrote:

> To herb@MyList.net from celiag@email.com:

> 

> Hello,

> 

> I am getting married in two months, and have no desire to take birth

> control pills, but we are not financially ready for children yet.

>   

> How do others meet this challenge using herbs to keep from getting

> pregnant? I am aware of the natural rhythm methods, but would like to

> know of ways using herbs to supplement this method, if possible, for

> more peace of mind.



	My wife and I have been married about 3 years. For the last

year, we've been using the NFP method. This method consists of measuring

her basal body temperature each day, and keeping a graph of those

temperatures. She also watches other indicators as well.



	This method is apparently very effective. We know exactly when

she ovulates, and you give yourself a few days on either side of that

and not have any sex during that time. There's a good book that details

the method, and it's an easy read, "A cooperative method of natural

birth control" by Margaret Nofziger (1-800-695-2241). This book makes it

easy to learn the method. My wife's totally stoked on the method, she's

confident of when it's safe and when it's not, and she now knows her

body much better. This method apparently only works for women who are

quite regular with their cycles. If your periods are erratic, you may

want to try Vitex for a while and normalize the period, then try the

method. Read the book, it's good. A mentor is especially helpful when

starting the method, and my wife would be happy to help if you'd like.



	As far as herbs go, Vitex is one to look for. It's used

extensively to normalize the cycle, and my wife finds that when she uses

Vitex her period is much less severe. I haven't heard of Vitex being

used for birth control, it's just good for making your cycle more

regular, reducing PMS, etc. 



	I hope this helps, feel free to email me privately if you'd like

any further info...

	

	-Jeff Kinzli

	kinzli@cisco.com





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Fruit and diet, was Re(2): Garcinia/Brand names - 

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:23:16 -0600 (MDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> > Not the diet for someone with 'hypoglycemia. You can

> > hardly do worse than fruit for such conditions.

> 

> Why?  I think a balanced diet is important in all individuals.  And I

> certainly don't think fresh fruit badly affects anyone diagnosed with

> hypoglycemia.  



You have about 4,000 years of Chinese health thought standing against your

view. 



Fruits overstimulate and cool the stomach. They are rightly an occasional food,

part of nature's bounty. 



DIET is founded on grain, much slower carbos. When you take foods that have

faster carbos, you are moving toward the 'Burn the Yin, Damage the Qi' part of

the scale. In the case of hypoglycemia, the cause is usually damaged qi and

poor lifestyle. Digestive qi is harmed by excessive (daily) fruit eating.



Instead, cool your life by doing regular vigorous but mild exercise, meditating

in nature, and reducing heartrate. Lower heartrate, calmer life, more balanced

sugar metabolism. And, naturally, there are herbs that lead to deeper levels of

health. Among them, and foremost in the treatment of most hypoglycemia in my

opinion, is Panax ginseng. Taken properly, ginseng will revolutionalize the

lives of people with earth element imbalances.



>In fact, from the people I know who have it, the ones

> with a better diet seem to suffer from less 'low blood sugar attacks.' 



Naturally enough, since they are continuing to run their pancreas' full-bore.

Down the line, though, what is now tired can become exhausted. And then, sadly,

the deeper illness of diabetes can begin in earnest.



Paul







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Chinese medicine - liver congestion and yang deficiency

From: "Evelyn F" <evfc@sprint.ca>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:34:18 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from "Evelyn F" <evfc@sprint.ca>:



Forgive my ingnorance when it comes to Chinese medicine...I may be overly

simplistic.  I volunteer at an herbal dispensary and there is a TCM

practitioner who works out of their clinic.  He had free consults today so I

popped in to see him.  As I mentioned before, I have been having digestive

problems and pain along with insomnia, trouble breathing (tightness), excess

mucous and feeling tired.  This has been ongoing since June 1998.  From the

short consult he said I appeared to have a yang deficiency and liver

congestion.  I am open to learning from this but how does someone with a

western background use this?  I am studying English herbal medicine and

would like to work with that approach pulling from other schools of

thought...such as TCM.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can

meld all this info?



Ev.



"Your mind is full of too many things.  Only when you are empty will there

be room for more knowledge to come in."

-unknown







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Broken Foot

From: "Eva B." <snurf@pobox.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 07:38:00 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Eva B." <snurf@pobox.com>:



While getting out of the way of a speeding car, I tore ligaments in my foot

and ankle, and snapped off 2 bits of bone from 2 different places in the

foot.  Other than that, there was no displacement of any of the bones in

the feet.  (I've put in a request for a bigger  guardian angel so that I

might be snatched to safety *without* injury!)  I begged the orthopedic guy

for the removeable "boot" cast so that I could continue natural healing

work on the foot.  I'm applying a comfrey poultice each night for about an

hour and then I apply arnica gel in the morning before putting the cast

back on.  In the morning I add epsom salts to the bath water.  Each morning

I try to continue as much of the yoga as gently possible, ending with some

energy work directed towards the foot.  So far, I have not touched the

800mg Motrin he prescribed.  The pain has been surprisingly gentle, and I

figure I need to feel when I'm overdoing it.  (800mg--can you imagine?

They must be the size of Twinkies!)  



Is there anything else I should be doing?  I believe the ortho guy is lying

to me when he says that the 2 snapped bone chips will somehow "mend."  (He

was unable to describe how this would happen.)  They're floating at the

right edge of the foot.  My prayer and goal is for quick and clean healing

of all of the ligaments, and "proper" resolution of the chips, whatever

that may be.



Thanks in advance.



Eva B.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Broken Foot

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:45:32 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 07:38:00 -0400, "Eva B." <snurf@pobox.com> wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>Is there anything else I should be doing?



Do a tea (1-3 cups a day) of horsetail (Equisetum arvense), Calendula and

nettles, mixed if you wish, separately if you want to. Add other herbs to taste;

perhaps a bit of yarrow, or some hyssop, or maybe a bit of thyme, just so it'll

be easier to drink the primary mix.



Horsetail and nettles are mineral herbs. If you have minerals floating around in

your blood when you build new tissue your new tissue will be considerably

stronger than if you rely on storages alone. Mineral teas should be drunk within

an hour of brewing them, after that their value goes down drastically.



Calendula is about as good a mending plant as comfrey, without the

hepatotoxicity issues.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Broken Foot

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:43:58 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



At 07:38 AM 4/11/99 -0400, Eva B. wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Eva B." <snurf@pobox.com>:

>

>While getting out of the way of a speeding car, I tore ligaments in my foot

>and ankle, and snapped off 2 bits of bone from 2 different places in the

>foot.  Other than that, there was no displacement of any of the bones in

>the feet.  (I've put in a request for a bigger  guardian angel so that I

>might be snatched to safety *without* injury!)  I begged the orthopedic guy

>for the removeable "boot" cast so that I could continue natural healing

>work on the foot.  I'm applying a comfrey poultice each night for about an

>hour and then I apply arnica gel in the morning before putting the cast

>back on.  In the morning I add epsom salts to the bath water.  Each morning

>I try to continue as much of the yoga as gently possible, ending with some

>energy work directed towards the foot.  So far, I have not touched the

>800mg Motrin he prescribed.  The pain has been surprisingly gentle, and I

>figure I need to feel when I'm overdoing it.  (800mg--can you imagine?

>They must be the size of Twinkies!)  



Typical recommendation.  You should see what they wanted me to take after

arthroscopy.  Anyway, if there's swelling and bruising the comfrey can be

helpful.  You can get good results with a Mullein compress (Mullein,

Lobelia, capsicum in vinegar.  The exact recipe is probably in the list

archives somewhere).  This compress took swelling down in my knee better

than the icing that was recommended and eliminated any need for  pain

relievers.  Ligaments are notoriously slow to heal and will likely be sore

for a long time.  The bones will indeed find a way to mend as long as you

put no more stress on them and allow them to heal.  My son had a similar

injury and after about 3 weeks in a cast, had no more problems with the

bones.  However, if you force them and use them before they are healed,

they will continue to be a problem.

>

>Is there anything else I should be doing?  I believe the ortho guy is lying

>to me when he says that the 2 snapped bone chips will somehow "mend."  (He

>was unable to describe how this would happen.)  They're floating at the

>right edge of the foot.  My prayer and goal is for quick and clean healing

>of all of the ligaments, and "proper" resolution of the chips, whatever

>that may be.



To really stimulate some serious circulation in the area use a "hot pot".

A hot pot is made by melting about half a cup of beeswax in a jar in a pan

of boiling water or use an electric fondue pot.  Chop a couple fresh

capsicum pods or use about a tsp dried and simmer in the wax for about

15-20 min then strain out the capsicum.  Apply olive oil liberally to the

affected area and then use a paint brush to apply the "hot pot" to the

skin, being careful not to burn the skin.  Pick off any excess flakes of

wax and replace them in the pot to be reused.  Oil your hands with olive

oil and massage the wax into the skin for a good 30 minutes or so.  You'll

find that it will emulsify with the oil and become like a salve.  It will

begin to feel warm after 30 minutes or so and the skin may actually flush.

It will remain warm for a long time.  I like to leave it on all night.  The

increased circulation will hasten healing and reduce inflammation.  It's

great for arthritis too.  Your hot pot will keep practically forever and

can be reused as needed.  If it seems to lose some of its warmth just do

another pod of capsicum to rejuvenate it.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Parsley

From: "c. watson" <clawso@mail.snider.net>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:24:37 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "c. watson" <clawso@mail.snider.net>:





Loaded with parsley this year [likely several bushels]. Know what to do with the

second year roots but what about the leaves?



Are they worth tincturing?



All help appreciated.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Parsley

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:38:37 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:24:37 -0600, "c. watson" <clawso@mail.snider.net> wrote

to herb@MyList.net:



>Loaded with parsley this year [likely several bushels]. Know what to do with the

>second year roots but what about the leaves?



Freeze and use as a culinary herb.



>Are they worth tincturing?



No.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Sugar Cravings...herb to help with?

From: Roses9652@aol.com

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:51:23 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Roses9652@aol.com:



The following was posted by a person on the Lo-Carb list:



<clip>

Todd - I've heard about this herb, Gymnema Sylvestre. I tried it and do feel

it reduces sugar cravings. It is also supposed to block absorption, but I

don't know if there have been any tests. Susan

<clip>



Does anyone know of this herb, if it is one...and does this really work to 

curb sugar cravings?  

RJH





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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Sugar Cravings...herb to help with?

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:52:36 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



At 07:51 PM 4/11/99 -0400, Roses9652@aol.com wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Roses9652@aol.com:

>

>The following was posted by a person on the Lo-Carb list:

>

><clip>

>Todd - I've heard about this herb, Gymnema Sylvestre. I tried it and do feel

>it reduces sugar cravings. It is also supposed to block absorption, but I

>don't know if there have been any tests. Susan

><clip>



It does not block sugar absorbtion.  Gymnema does indeed promote proper

metabolism of sugars.  Perhaps it does decrease sugar cravings but it does

far more than that.  IT is used in herbal combinations for type II diabetes

and hypoglycaemia.  Don't belive all the MLM advertisements about this

herb.  They are very misleading and are meant only to sell a product to

what they consider is a gullible public.





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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Sugar Cravings...herb to help with?

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:37:50 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:





>The following was posted by a person on the Lo-Carb list:



><clip>

>Todd - I've heard about this herb, Gymnema Sylvestre. I tried it and do

feel

>it reduces sugar cravings. It is also supposed to block absorption, but I

>don't know if there have been any tests. Susan

><clip>



>Does anyone know of this herb, if it is one...and does this really work to

>curb sugar cravings?

>

>RJH



St. John's Wort or 5-HTP (anything which ups Seratonin) will usually put a

stop to sugar cravings in short order.  This includes a brisk walk around

the block.



Gymnema Sylvestre does indeed prevent the absorption of sugars.  It does

this, I believe, by binding with it, similar to the way Citosan blocks the

absorption of fats.  I don't know if any tests have been done on how much

herb is required to block how much sugar.  In this regard it could have an

effect on cravings as the consumption of sugars (thru numerous mechanisms)

often triggers the craving to eat more.  It would have no effect on

mechanisms involving the sensation of taste, but would affect insulin levels

and possibly Candida induced cravings.



Marie

marie.winston@worldnet.att.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Sugar Cravings...herb to help with?

From: Juli Kight <castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us>

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 03:56:41 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Juli Kight <castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us>:



The only thing I found to work for me (and it isnt 100%) is by replacing

sugar and sweeteners with steviocide.  Also since Ive started working

out, several fitness sources say increase protien when craving carbs and

sweets.  It seems to help quite a bit.

Juli

Herbs for Health http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com





Roses9652@aol.com wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Roses9652@aol.com:

> 

> The following was posted by a person on the Lo-Carb list:

> 

> <clip>

> Todd - I've heard about this herb, Gymnema Sylvestre. I tried it and do feel

> it reduces sugar cravings. It is also supposed to block absorption, but I

> don't know if there have been any tests. Susan

> <clip>

> 

> Does anyone know of this herb, if it is one...and does this really work to

> curb sugar cravings?

> RJH





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Sugar Cravings...herb to help with?

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:29:04 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



At 07:51 PM 4/11/99 EDT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Roses9652@aol.c

Re: 

<clip>

> sugar cravings?  

>RJH



Try increasing bitters such as aloe, neem, dandelion, and gentian.  Bitter

reduces sugar cravings by restoring "out of whack" spleen-pancreas

function.  It doesn't take much -- a few sips of a bitter infusion during

the day will help.



Aliceann

ayurveda@mint.net

>

>

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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Benzoin Tincture

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:10:59 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:



I don't want to start that whole preservative discussion again.  But I still

have a few  questions?  I have been able to find Benzoin Tincture, but not

Tincture of Benzoate.  Are they one and the same?



If not, can the Benzoin Tincture be used as a preservative?  Assuming it

can, does it only take a drop or two (as with the Benzoate)?



I am going to try painting it on this wart I've got, anyway.  Nothing else

has been able to kill it.  I am aware of the consideration against

suppressing a skin eruption, but I have had this thing for nigh on 40 years,

and enough is enough.  It was originally caused by holding a pencil/pen too

tightly whilst practicing my penmanship in grade school.  Therefore, I do

not feel it is expression of the vital force trying to "right" itself.

Besides, when it is in a growth stage, it hurts whenever pressed upon (like

by a pen).  Has anyone used Benzoin (or even clear nail polish) to

successfully kill a wart?



Marie

marie.winston@worldnet.att.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Benzoin Tincture

From: rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:39:39 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>:







Bill Winston wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>: 

> If not, can the Benzoin Tincture be used as a preservative?  Assuming it

> can, does it only take a drop or two (as with the Benzoate)?

> 



Hi Marie,



From "The Way of Herbs Simple Remedies for Health and Healing" by

Michael Tierra, page 36, it says to use one teaspoon of tincture of

benzoin per quart of salve.



Hope this helps



Cindi Z.

Vicksburg, Mississippi





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Benzoin Tincture

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:42:46 -0600 (MDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I am going to try painting it on this wart I've got, anyway.  Nothing else

> has been able to kill it.  I am aware of the consideration against

> suppressing a skin eruption, but I have had this thing for nigh on 40 years,

> and enough is enough.  It was originally caused by holding a pencil/pen too

> tightly whilst practicing my penmanship in grade school.  Therefore, I do

> not feel it is expression of the vital force trying to "right" itself.



This causation is not accurate, since if you think about it, it is a rare

result of such penmanship practice. Rather, it is probably constitutional and

stimulated by childhood stress. Forty years this finger has lived in your dike.

Leave it.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Tastey tea to fight bronchitis & ???

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:55:27 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:





A couple of months ago I posted looking for herbal teas for fighting

bronchitis for my boyfriend.  I made a great discovery I want to share

with the herbalists who helped me find a wonderful herbal tea recipe.



I tried mixing mullien & green tea with honey.  This cold tea turned out

to be a satisfying as chai.



The best part is I think this tea combination helps me with my nasal

allergies.  I am not 100% positive green + mullien tea does reduce my

allergies but I have noticed a trend towards less sinus congestion when I

drink this tea.



Now I am thinking about brewing the tea with ginseng, or astralagus.

(These two herbs have been highly recommended to me since I am a ovarian

cancer survivor who wants to remain cancer free.)  I was wondering if

there are any reasons why these herbs should not be combined, (such as 

toxic interactions occuring between the herbs whern mixed)?  I have seen

ginseng & green tea mixed a lot.



Another nutrient that is suppose to effectively fight bronchitis is

gluthathione.  A web site with lots of info on fighting bronchitis with

this nutrient can be found at 



www.ermintrude.win-uk.net/hepb/comp.html



A life extension scientist once recommended taking the NAC

version of gluthathione to me as another way to avoid further cancers.  So

now I am looking for herbal sources of gluthathione.  (I already know

gluthathione is found in high concentrations in broccoli, & chicken).



Thanks in advance,



Barbara   



 











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Tastey tea to fight bronchitis & ???

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:42:22 -0600 (MDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Now I am thinking about brewing the tea with ginseng, or astralagus.

> (These two herbs have been highly recommended to me since I am a ovarian

> cancer survivor who wants to remain cancer free.)  I was wondering if

> there are any reasons why these herbs should not be combined, (such as 

> toxic interactions occuring between the herbs whern mixed)?  I have seen

> ginseng & green tea mixed a lot.



They are commonly combined.



> A life extension scientist once recommended taking the NAC

> version of gluthathione to me as another way to avoid further cancers.  So

> now I am looking for herbal sources of gluthathione.  (I already know

> gluthathione is found in high concentrations in broccoli, & chicken).



Regular glutathione is not the issue, N-acetyl cysteine is. It is a specific

chemical, and taking glutatione itself is not the same thing.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: Tastey tea to fight bronchitis & ???

From: Diana Rae <DianaRae@FairIsaac.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:02:55 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Diana Rae <DianaRae@FairIsaac.com>:



Paul, could you please elaborate?  I've also seen N-acetyl cysteine

recommended if one takes bupleurum for liver cleansing.



-----Original Message-----

From: p_iannone@lamg.com [mailto:p_iannone@lamg.com]

Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 10:42 AM

To: herb@mylist.net

Subject: Re: Tastey tea to fight bronchitis & ???



> Regular glutathione is not the issue, N-acetyl cysteine is. It is a

specific

> chemical, and taking glutatione itself is not the same thing.

> 

> Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Tastey tea to fight bronchitis & ???

From: Caroline <rcdavis@reach.net>

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:06:56 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Caroline <rcdavis@reach.net>:



At 08:55 PM 4/11/99 -0500, you wrote:

>Now I am thinking about brewing the tea with ginseng, or astralagus.

>(These two herbs have been highly recommended to me since I am a ovarian

>cancer survivor who wants to remain cancer free.)  I was wondering if

>there are any reasons why these herbs should not be combined, (such as 

>toxic interactions occuring between the herbs whern mixed)?  I have seen

>ginseng & green tea mixed a lot.

>



Celestial Seasonings has a green tea with Ginseng, Lemon and honey.  It's

delicious.



Caroline





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Chemotherapy

From: Jeffrey Irwin Flocker <jif2@dana.ucc.nau.edu>

Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:14:11 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Jeffrey Irwin Flocker <jif2@dana.ucc.nau.edu>:



Hi all,



I realize this has been discussed previously but unfortunately I did not

keep copies of the posts on this.  Now I really need them!  My mother in

law just learned she has cancer which has metastitized.  It began in her

ureter and they removed that and a kidney.  Now they have discovered that

it is in the lymph gland near her aorta.

She has chosen the chemo option--not my choice but everyone makes their

own choices.  I would appreciate any assistance in suggesting herbs that

will support her body other than milk thistle for the liver, echinacea to

support the immune sytem, ginger for the nausea, etc.  Any other

suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated!!

Thank you.



karen Flocker







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Magnolias--preserving flowers

From: HarperP@aol.com

Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:39:31 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from HarperP@aol.com:





>>I don't even know if they would dry well or hold their fragrance after

>>drying. Any info would be great.



>Magnolias dry beautifully using silica gel.  They do not retain their scent

>when dried that way, though.



You can also preserve magnolia blossoms and leaves--for flower arranging, not 

fragrance (see below)--using glycerine or a glycerine-containing antifreeze. 

Put the cut ends of branches into about 4 inches of glycerin and allow to 

sit, out of the light, until the plant material changes color. (I haven't 

done this with magnolia, but I think you will get a brownish color with 

glycerine, pink or blueish brown with antifreeze).  When the whole branch has 

turned, remove it from the solution and hang upside down for a couple of 

weeks.  Do not leave it in the solution longer than it takes to turn, or you 

could end up with dried branches that ooze in heat.



The technique for preserving flower scents in oil is called effleurage.  

Usually, a solid, non scented fat (dare I say lard?) is spread in a thin 

layer on a nonreactive surface, then covered with the fragrant blossoms. You 

could probably use oil, but use one that is filtered and scentless.  After a 

few days, barely warm the goop (to liquify), strain, and repeat the process 

with fresh blossoms.  Continue this routine until you have a strong enough 

fragrance.  The result is a gently scented "cream." Do protect your 

maceration from ants (I lost 2 months of jasmine extraction to ants), and be 

prepared for a messy process. 



Have fun!



Patricia Harper

harperp@aol.com









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: charcoal

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@digisys.net>

Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:51:42 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@digisys.net>:



I usually keep charcoal tablets in my emergency herbal first aid kit for

cases of food poisoning, etc. Does anyone out there have any experience

with making  charcoal that could be used in an emergency.Veronica







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: charcoal

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:48:54 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



The charcoal in your emergency kit is activated charcoal, which has many

times the surface area of plain ordinary charcoal (which is made by

burning wood.)  The additional surface area permits it to absorb more

toxins.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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Both are part of the pond.



On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:51:42 -0600 Veronica Honthaas writes:



>I usually keep charcoal tablets in my emergency herbal first aid kit 

>for cases of food poisoning, etc. Does anyone out there have any 

>experience with making  charcoal that could be used in an emergency.



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Eucalyptus Hones

From: "Amanda Reeves" <alr@io.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:12:50 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Amanda Reeves" <alr@io.com>:



I'm searching for a source for Eucalyptus honey. Can anyone point me the

right direction?



Thanks in advance,



Amanda Reeves

Austin, TX









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: Eucalyptus Hones

From: "Tera Gram" <teragram@silcom.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:45:50 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from "Tera Gram" <teragram@silcom.com>:



Considering the population of eucalyptus here in So/Central CA, and the

number of apiaries ( is that right? places that keep bees is what I mean)

here, I'd bet you could find a supplier from Santa Barbara, Ventura, Santa

Maria or San Luis Obispo.



- Tera.



-----Original Message-----

From: owner-herb@MyList.net [mailto:owner-herb@MyList.net]On Behalf Of

Amanda Reeves

Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 5:13 PM

To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Eucalyptus Hones





To herb@MyList.net from "Amanda Reeves" <alr@io.com>:



I'm searching for a source for Eucalyptus honey. Can anyone point me the

right direction?



Thanks in advance,



Amanda Reeves

Austin, TX











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ADD with H or not

From: NewJardin@aol.com

Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:50:45 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NewJardin@aol.com:



Kids can't pay attention for all sorts of reasons and few schools are 

equipped to pay for a proper diagnosis. Usually the teacher rates them as 

*Hyper* based on her observations and experience and that's it unless you 

force the district to pay for proper psychological evaluation.

It literally can be almost anything that impeded paying attention in class:

1)transitory stress in the child's life

2)Learning differences or problems (dyslexia ,mild organic symptoms, etc)

3)long term mental health problems like mild autism

4)low IQ

5)natural high activity level

6)High IQ (so they are bored and get into trouble)

7)teacher -child conflict

8)child-child conflict (kids picking on each other)

9)true classic hyper activity disorder (actually quite rare)

10)allergies

11)hearing problems

12)speech problems

13)non-english speaking

140etc. etc.

I've probably missed a few, but you can see how difficult the diagnosis can 

be. I once had an *unplaceable* foster child (he is now with his aunt and 

uncle) who originally had a diagnosis as hyeractive, mild autism and 

borderline mental retarded IQ. After a month out of a veyr traumatic family 

setting his IQ went up 20 points and he had few *autistic * symptoms. Some of 

his family agreed to take him once they saw he wasn't impossibly damaged.The 

changed the diagnosis to PTSD. 



Quite frankly, I think *hyper* is a very misused diagnosis, which often 

misses the point. I can recall many cases where very bright children were 

diagnosised *hyper* and never tested until I got them in therapy and demanded 

psych testing (I was a child therapist before my marraige). 



In traveling around the USA when my hubby was in the ARMY I saw that there 

was a preponderance of *out-group* children in the ADD classes in  various 

school districts. Hispanic and black children in the USA south, AMerind 

children in the West, and *white poor* in Appalachia, Black children in the 

inner city. 



So be suspicious if you are a local minority parent with a child diagnosed as 

*hyper.*



I home school my very active extremely gifted seven year old son as it serves 

his needs best. In regular public school he would be bored , restless, and in 

trouble in ten minutes (if that long). Know your kid. 



Manage the environment not the child.

Lili

newjardin@aol.com

 







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To: herb@MyList.net

From: Wes Hayes <hayesherb@yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:58:50 -0700 (PDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Wes Hayes <hayesherb@yahoo.com>:





I am a medical student looking for stories involving the traditional

uses of herbs. These stories should relate to Appalachia (herbs

contained or grown therein). I will try to use this information in a

class that I teach. To keep from tying up the list, information can be

sent to me at hayesherb@yahoo.com. Please feel free to send any

information that you feel might help me. Also, if anyone knows of any

obscure books or websites that could be helpful in dredging up stories,

please let me know.



Thank you, 



Wes    

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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: 

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:21:51 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>I am a medical student looking for stories involving the traditional

>uses of herbs. These stories should relate to Appalachia (herbs

>contained or grown therein). I will try to use this information in a

>class that I teach. To keep from tying up the list, information can be

>sent to me at hayesherb@yahoo.com. Please feel free to send any

>information that you feel might help me. Also, if anyone knows of any

>obscure books or websites that could be helpful in dredging up stories,

>please let me know.



See if you can pick up a copy of Herbal Medicine Past and Present vol. I &

II.  Loaded with Appalachian herbal lore.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Chapparal

From: Samuel Sussman <ssussman@julian.uwo.ca>

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 01:13:17 -0400 (EDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Samuel Sussman <ssussman@julian.uwo.ca>:



Dear List- I require Chapparal drops for emerging cataracts. Please tell me

where I can source this . Thank you Sam- Dr Sam Sussman - Ajunct Professor

of Psychiatry

















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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Chapparal

From: paf@connix.com

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:14:22 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:



At 1:13 AM -0400 4/13/99, Samuel Sussman wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Samuel Sussman <ssussman@julian.uwo.ca>:

>

>Dear List- I require Chapparal drops for emerging cataracts. Please tell me

>where I can source this . Thank you Sam- Dr Sam Sussman - Ajunct Professor

>of Psychiatry



The very thing I'd like to know, also!  Want to avoid the surgery.

Hope one of you knows a source.

Best, Anita





--



paf@connix.com









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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Chapparal

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:27:10 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>>Dear List- I require Chapparal drops for emerging cataracts. Please tell me

>>where I can source this . Thank you Sam- Dr Sam Sussman - Ajunct Professor

>>of Psychiatry

>

>The very thing I'd like to know, also!  Want to avoid the surgery.

>Hope one of you knows a source.

>Best, Anita



A word here about cataract surgery.  This is one surgery I would recommend.

 It is simple, virtually painless, safe and highly effective.  There are

herbs that may help reduce cataracts but if you want to see tomorrow, get

the surgery.  My father had it a couple years ago and it was a godsend.

They replaced his damaged lens with a crystal clear synthetic one.  It

works flawlessly and has enriched his life tremendously.  No need to fear

this surgery, this is one that really helps.  The surgery only lasts a few

minutes and heals in a day.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Chapparal

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:40:25 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/13/99 9:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paf@connix.com 

writes:



<< The very thing I'd like to know, also!  Want to avoid the surgery.

 Hope one of you knows a source.

 Best, Anita >>



I ADD:  Please contact me through private email for information on how to 

order Chaparral eye drops (nci won't make a dime).



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

Professional Consultations

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

The Conley Farm Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com           

                                     ***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.



















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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Bone Spur

From: "aam890" <aam890@email.msn.com>

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:47:49 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "aam890" <aam890@email.msn.com>:



Can anyone advise what to do with a heel bone spur.  It has caused

inflamation of tendons and muscles (Plantars Fascitis).  It is located in

the heel and is quite painful.  Even when you wake in the morning.



Thanks for any advice,

Anne

AAM890@msn.com











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Bone Spur

From: "Jill F. Becker" <jbecker@oceanus.mitre.org>

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:07:28 -0400 (EDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Jill F. Becker" <jbecker@oceanus.mitre.org>:



> To herb@MyList.net from "aam890" <aam890@email.msn.com>:

> 

> Can anyone advise what to do with a heel bone spur.  It has caused

> inflamation of tendons and muscles (Plantars Fascitis). 



Uh, it works the other way around.



Ice the area.  Frequently.



And you probably have inadequate arch support.



What kind of shoes do you wear?  What physical activities are you

involved with?



Jill



> It is located in

> the heel and is quite painful.  Even when you wake in the morning.

> 

> Thanks for any advice,

> Anne

> AAM890@msn.com

> 

> 

> 

> 







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: tinitus

From: Kris Makl <kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu>

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:28:09 -0600

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Kris Makl <kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu>:



Hello everyone,



I know this subject was recently discussed and I thought I had kept those

posts, but I cannot find them.  So, guess I will have to just ask here

again about this subject.  What herbs do you all recommend for ringing in

the ears?  I think I have always had ringing in the ears, but lately it's

gotten worse.



I'm taking herbs from an acupuncturist for PMS and fibroids.  I'm wondering

if maybe that's why the rining is worse now.  I don't have the list with

me, but I could post what's in the blend.  She did put something in for the

ringing but I didn't ask what is was, it hasn't helped so far though.



Thanks much

Kris





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: tinitus

From: Momcat3397@aol.com

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:12:06 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Momcat3397@aol.com:



Kris, 

Ginkgo biloba often helps with tinnitus. Also, this condition is often 

worsened by

consumption of aspirin or other anti-inflammatories. If you are taking these 

meds

you may have to discontinue them to get relief.

Hope this helps,

Barbara Honors

Ethnobotanist/Herbalist

Momcat3397@aol.com







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: tinitus

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:19:05 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/13/99 4:22:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu writes:



<< I know this subject was recently discussed and I thought I had kept those

 posts, but I cannot find them.  So, guess I will have to just ask here

 again about this subject.  What herbs do you all recommend for ringing in

 the ears?  I think I have always had ringing in the ears, but lately it's

 gotten worse. >>



Hi Kris -



To understand the treatment of this condition, which, when I researched it 

has actually caused some to commit suicide from the noises in their heads, 

I'm gonna take a few minutes to tell the list how tinnitus occurs.  The 

causes are many, we are finding out, and in many cases tinnitus can occur or 

increase after a bout of being exposed to excessive smoke, or from excessive 

drinking.  Some cases occur after antibiotic use or other drug therapies, and 

I've seen too many cases start up or increase after heavy bouts of stress, 

but we have also found cases that started due to lymph and liver toxicity.



Tinnitus occurs in the ear.  Hearing is based on the way sound waves pass 

through our bone and the air, and are carried by fluid in the ear which stirs 

microscopic hair cells that convert the waves into electrochemical impulses.  

Every second the hair cells of the inner ear are amplifying weak external 

signals so that we can hear them.  When the hair cells and their neural 

corrections lack certain nutrients they produce continuous noises.  Nerve 

cells are bathed in body fluids that require a very delicate balance of 

electrical charges inside and outside to function properly.  This balance 

permits nerves to transmit or "fire" a signal and be ready in a millisecond 

to fire again.  When these charges are not balanced correctly there are 

unwanted "firings" resulting the ear noises of tinnitus.



It is really true that we are what we eat, and I've seen too many cases of 

tinnitus caused by certain allergies.  In taking a course in allergies for my 

doctorate, I found that too many of us walk around with hidden allergies that 

result in many kinds of quiet manifestations from fatigue and insomina, to 

the more overt ones like tinnitus.  If your tinnitus is allergy based the 

following treatments will help.  



If tinnitus is occurring in the right ear it is more than likely caused by an 

allergy to wheat products.  Many people are allergic to certain "series" of 

foods without ever knowing it because when they consume certain foods the 

effects are minimal (except tinnitus is not).  The nutritional corrections 

include: a vitamin, a mineral and an amino acid.  For wheat the correction is 

Vitamin F (in safflower oil, olive oil, or sunflower oil), which is called 

linolec acid and is found in Evening Primrose Oil (2 caps at night; maybe 

adding 2 caps in the a.m.); magnesium (250 to 500 mg per day); and the amino 

acid L-Histidine (follow directions in label).  Two of us have gone on diets 

that completely excluded wheat and taken the antidote and are sound-free.  

After 11 years of ringing in my right ear I was able to get partial relief in 

about 10 days.  The standard rule of thumb in correcting is one month of 

nutritional correction for each year of the ailment.



Tinnitus of the left ear is caused by an allergy to the rice food group.  

This sounds strange but it includes: cinnamon, blueberries, grapes, rice, 

strawberry, watermelon, wines, and pumpkin.  The nutritional correction 

includes:  Vitamin B-6, Manganese, and the amino acid Arginine.  



Lowering stress and considering some of the tissue salts or constitutional 

homeopathic treatment may be other options open to you.  If it is caused by 

lymph and liver toxicity cleanses and herbal support can also assist very 

well, and have been discussed a great deal on this list.



Sorry for the length but it helps those with tinnitus to understand what's 

causing it and that there are options.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

Professional Consultations

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

The Conley Farm Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com           

                                     ***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.



















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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: tinitus

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:52:10 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>

>To understand the treatment of this condition, which, when I researched it 

>has actually caused some to commit suicide from the noises in their heads, 

>I'm gonna take a few minutes to tell the list how tinnitus occurs.  The 

>causes are many, we are finding out, and in many cases tinnitus can occur or 

>increase after a bout of being exposed to excessive smoke, or from excessive 

>drinking.  Some cases occur after antibiotic use or other drug therapies, and 

>I've seen too many cases start up or increase after heavy bouts of stress, 

>but we have also found cases that started due to lymph and liver toxicity.



Tinnitis may also occur from damage to hearing.  Frequent exposure to loud

noises (Rock concerts, mechanical noises at places of work, gunfire, etc.)

can damage the hearing permanently and tinnitis will likely occur.  It is

very difficult or even impossible to correct this type of damage.  My

husband has had tinnitis since firing guns during his military service.  My

father completely lost his hearing in one ear and much of the hearing in

the other for the same reason.  You might notice your ears ringing for a

time after a rock concert or dance.  Repeated exposure of this kind will

cause permanent hearing loss with tinnitis.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: tinitus

From: brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor)

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:25:20 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor):



You might want to try adding some cayenne to that ginkgo... I haven't dealt

with tinitus, myself, but I have heard that it can make the ginkgo work

faster and better.



Rusty





>To herb@MyList.net from Kris Makl <kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu>:

>

>Thanks to everyone who gave me help with this subject.  I'm taking Ginko

>biloba, we shall see if that helps.

>

>Thanks again

>Kris



       What did the Seattle native say to the Pillsbury Doughboy?

                        "Nice tan."  ;^)



        The surly bird gets the germ!  |^)





**********************************************************************

                  Mrs. Rusty Taylor - Poulsbo, WA

                    brtaylor@telebyte.net (home)

                        ICQ #15158154

                Quail Haven Herbs - Taylor Website:

               http://pacific.telebyte.com/~brtaylor/

**********************************************************************









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: tinitus

From: Armand Fontaine <bellbrook9@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:59:49 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Armand Fontaine <bellbrook9@earthlink.net>:



Hearing loss was mentioned in relationship to tinnitus.  The loss does not have

to be associated with loud noises, it can develop over time from degenerative

nerve disease.  I have a marked hearing loss now after several years of  upper

range loss.  When I finally got my first hearing aids, almost more noticeable

than all the little noises I could hear again, was the tinnitus I didn't hear.

If it is a recently noticed problem I would suggest having your hearing

evaluated to rule out loss that has gone unnoted.        Julie



Kris Makl wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from Kris Makl <kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu>:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I know this subject was recently discussed and I thought I had kept those

> posts, but I cannot find them.  So, guess I will have to just ask here

> again about this subject.  What herbs do you all recommend for ringing in

> the ears?  I think I have always had ringing in the ears, but lately it's

> gotten worse.

>

> I'm taking herbs from an acupuncturist for PMS and fibroids.  I'm wondering

> if maybe that's why the rining is worse now.  I don't have the list with

> me, but I could post what's in the blend.  She did put something in for the

> ringing but I didn't ask what is was, it hasn't helped so far though.

>

> Thanks much

> Kris











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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Eucalyptus honey

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:54:51 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:



Amanda,



If you can't find it locally, which would be best, try The Honey Shoppe

http://thefoodstores.com/ths/html/



I'm searching for a source for Eucalyptus honey. Can anyone point me the

right direction?



Thanks in advance,



Amanda Reeves

Austin, TX











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: soap

From: brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor)

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:01:48 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor):



we currently use castile soap (Dr. Bronner's the brand) for almost all of

our bathing needs, and have been using it for many years, with no problems

that I can tell.



what are some other options we might look at for bathing?



Bob Taylor



       What did the Seattle native say to the Pillsbury Doughboy?

                        "Nice tan."  ;^)



        The surly bird gets the germ!  |^)





**********************************************************************

                  Mrs. Rusty Taylor - Poulsbo, WA

                    brtaylor@telebyte.net (home)

                        ICQ #15158154

                Quail Haven Herbs - Taylor Website:

               http://pacific.telebyte.com/~brtaylor/

**********************************************************************









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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: soap

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:30:58 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



At 07:01 PM 4/13/99 -0700, Bob and Rusty Taylor wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor):

>

>we currently use castile soap (Dr. Bronner's the brand) for almost all of

>our bathing needs, and have been using it for many years, with no problems

>that I can tell.

>

>what are some other options we might look at for bathing?





Ummmm, why do you want to change???  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.  You

might try a group encounter to add a little interest or maybe bubbles???

Sorry, I am full of silliness.

Ivory soap is pretty foolproof.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: soap

From: brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor)

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 05:23:13 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor):



>To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:

>

>At 07:01 PM 4/13/99 -0700, Bob and Rusty Taylor wrote:

>>To herb@MyList.net from brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor):

>>

>>we currently use castile soap (Dr. Bronner's the brand) for almost all of

>>our bathing needs, and have been using it for many years, with no problems

>>that I can tell.

>>

>>what are some other options we might look at for bathing?

>

>

>Ummmm, why do you want to change???  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.  You

>might try a group encounter to add a little interest or maybe bubbles???

>Sorry, I am full of silliness.

>Ivory soap is pretty foolproof.





Hi, Anita



no particular reason to change, just curious, also wondering about any

potential problems with using the same product for  an extended period of

time. but if we have not had trouble in 30 years, probably we are not ever

going to have trouble.



have to ask Rusty about the group encounter-don't think she would go for it:)



just got her back from Richard Schultzes seminar in Santa Monica; learned a

lot and had a lot of poreviously held ideas confirmed by others.



Bob Taylor



        ---             "If you build it, they will come."

       /   \

    -----------       Bob Taylor Troop, 1590 Committee Chairman

     (| @ @ |)          Chief Seattle Council

      |  >  |           WE1-609-97 (A good old Buffalo)

      " \_/ "           going to work my ticket and always an Eagle!

       """""

        """           brtaylor@telebyte.net (home)

                      webpage:  http://pacific.telebyte.com/~brtaylor















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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: papaya seeds, scars

From: Hazelanne Lewis <p.d.lewis@ic.ac.uk>

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:50:42 +0000

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Hazelanne Lewis <p.d.lewis@ic.ac.uk>:



I have been advised to take dried, ground papaya seeds for arthritis. Does

anyone know dose?

I'm going in for more breast surgery soon. Would appreciate advise on

dealing with scars.

Hazelanne





mailto:p.d.lewis@ic.ac.uk



Hamba Gahle









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: re: H Pylori

From: Tsadi@aol.com

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:22:11 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Tsadi@aol.com:



hi all!

i just found out i've got h-pylori, that little bug that can cause stomach 

ulcers. clinical treatment involves antibiotics, but i'd absolutely love to 

avoid that, if possible. i don't smoke, drink, or even drink coffee -- we 

have a very healthy diet. any ideas?

gratefully,

elizabeth





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: H Pylori

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:13:16 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Our bodies have all kinds of microbes.  My suspicion is that simply

having H. pylori is not a major problem, but that having an overgrowth of

H. pylori in the wrong place is.  It may well be that blaming H. pylori

for ulcers is like blaming the flies for the garbage (or the aphids that

weed out your unhealthy herb plants in the fall.).  Terrain strengthening

is in order.  You don't say what your good diet is, but I'd check urinary

and salivary pH, and make sure you don't have an excess of carbohydrates

in your diet.



Do you have any symptoms of ulcers?  That would be a different situation.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

There are fish that swim in the light and fish that swim in the mud. 

Both are part of the pond.



On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:22:11 EDT Tsadi@AOL.COM writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Tsadi@aol.com:

>

>hi all!

>i just found out i've got h-pylori, that little bug that can cause

stomach 

>ulcers. clinical treatment involves antibiotics, but i'd absolutely love

to 

>avoid that, if possible. i don't smoke, drink, or even drink coffee -- 

>we have a very healthy diet. any ideas?

>gratefully,

>elizabeth

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: H.pylori

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:18:30 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Elfreem@aol.com:





>  Our bodies have all kinds of microbes.  My suspicion is that simply

>  having H. pylori is not a major problem, but that having an overgrowth of

>  H. pylori in the wrong place is.  It may well be that blaming H. pylori

>  for ulcers is like blaming the flies for the garbage (or the aphids that

>  weed out your unhealthy herb plants in the fall.).  Terrain strengthening

>  is in order.  You don't say what your good diet is, but I'd check urinary

>  and salivary pH, and make sure you don't have an excess of carbohydrates

>  in your diet.



The causative association between H. pylori and ulcers is a bit stronger than 

the association between flies and garbage. H. pylori does indeed a factor in

the development of ulcers ...along with other factors. You might also be

interested in knowing that current thinking indicates this bug to be 

associated

with gastric cancer as well. In a recent article entitled "Clinical and 

Economic 

Effects of Population-Based Helicobacter pylori Screening to Prevent Gastric

Cancer" the authors provide a few references that support this view and

estimate the potential health and economic consequences of screening over

a range of cancer risk reduction levels (Arch Intern Med 1999;159:142-8).

In a letter to the editor, investigators found that H. pylori induces 

telomerase

activity in premalignant lesions. Telomerase activity is strongly associated

with cell immortality and carcinogenesis (Am J Gastroenterol 1999;94:547-8).

While we are decades away from actually proving that H. pylori eradication

is associated with a reduction in cancer risk, if I had this bug I would

definitely attempt eradication and not wait for proof. 



I'm not suggesting the use of antibiotics as THE means of attack unless 

there are symptoms. In-vitro studies have shown that garlic is effective

for killing H. pylori; The late Tommie Bass used yellowroot (Xanthorrhiza 

simplicissima) to cure ulcers and I suspect studies will show that H. pylori 

eradication is the mechanism involved.



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter







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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: H.pylori

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:48:23 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>I'm not suggesting the use of antibiotics as THE means of attack unless 

>there are symptoms. In-vitro studies have shown that garlic is effective

>for killing H. pylori; The late Tommie Bass used yellowroot (Xanthorrhiza 

>simplicissima) to cure ulcers and I suspect studies will show that H. pylori 

>eradication is the mechanism involved.

>

I'm wondering if grapeseed extract might be effective against this.  I have

heard some herbalists claim that capsicum effectively eliminates H. pylori.

 Next question to ask is WHY is there growth of this bacteria.  Is it

contagious (probably not)?  Is it contracted from food (doubt it)?  So

perhaps there is an imbalance factor involved that allows the overgrowth of

H. pylori, related perhaps to stress?  Would be interesting to investigate

causes.





==========

To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: H.pylori

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:45:56 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:







>>I'm not suggesting the use of antibiotics as THE means of attack unless 

>>there are symptoms. In-vitro studies have shown that garlic is effective

>>for killing H. pylori; 



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter





If one chooses to use garlic, you should use fresh garlic and not the

capsules.  The capsules are good for circulation, but do not have

antibiotic properties. You may be interested to know that garlic normally

clears from your breathe in 4 hours.  I usually use it at night or when I

know I won't see anyone for at least 4 hours.  Dosage is one clove at a

time up to 12 cloves, stopping when your tolerance is reached and you will

know by the "rebellious stomach chi" that feels as if it might come up.  I

myself have never taken more than 4 at a time, but then I chew them up in

my mouth for *extreme* effect and mouth cleansing.  You can mash them up

and coat with honey or whatever makes it palatable for you.  It is

recommended that you break the cell walls instead of just swallowing the

cloves whole.



Julie Calhoun Stallings

Herbal Student







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: H.pylori

From: "Graham White" <hendongreen@gn.apc.org>

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:11:42 +0100

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Graham White" <hendongreen@gn.apc.org>:



The thinking seems to be (sorry don't have any references to hand) that H.

pylori is acquired by person-to-person transmission during childhood, and is

more prevalent in large families or families living in overcrowded or poor

housing conditions.

As to why it causes problems in some people but not others ??



Graham White

----------------------



hendongreen@gn.apc.org

gw035@mdx.ac.uk



-----Original Message-----

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>; herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: 15 April 1999 17:52

Subject: Re: H.pylori





>To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:

>

>

>>I'm not suggesting the use of antibiotics as THE means of attack unless

>>there are symptoms. In-vitro studies have shown that garlic is effective

>>for killing H. pylori; The late Tommie Bass used yellowroot (Xanthorrhiza

>>simplicissima) to cure ulcers and I suspect studies will show that H.

pylori

>>eradication is the mechanism involved.

>>

>I'm wondering if grapeseed extract might be effective against this.  I have

>heard some herbalists claim that capsicum effectively eliminates H. pylori.

> Next question to ask is WHY is there growth of this bacteria.  Is it

>contagious (probably not)?  Is it contracted from food (doubt it)?  So

>perhaps there is an imbalance factor involved that allows the overgrowth of

>H. pylori, related perhaps to stress?  Would be interesting to investigate

>causes.

>







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Whiplash??

From: "Bill & Judy Henry" <henry@cyberus.ca>

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 03:40:14 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Bill & Judy Henry" <henry@cyberus.ca>:



Hi Folks



Driving home the other night, I hit a deer.I thought I just clipped it but

the car is pretty banged up.  I thought I was OK but the next day, I

started to notice

muscle discomforts in my neck, back, shoulders and knee.Also detailed

information is not sinking into my brain when I talk to the insurance, car

rental place, etc.



The chiropractor says I have trauma in my lower back and my emotional body

is jangled. I've been working with Rescue Remedy, homeopathic Arnica and St

Johns Wort

tincture.Will have an Epsom Salt bath tomorrow. Any other suggestions?



Thanks.



Judy





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Whiplash??

From: "Linda Lehne" <lrlehne@gte.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:13:12 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Linda Lehne" <lrlehne@gte.net>:



>The chiropractor says I have trauma in my lower back and my emotional body

>is jangled. I've been working with Rescue Remedy, homeopathic Arnica and St

>Johns Wort

>tincture.Will have an Epsom Salt bath tomorrow. Any other suggestions?

>

>Thanks.

>

>Judy



You have my empathy... whiplash hurts!  Mine was the result of being

rear-ended at highway speed by an 18 wheeler... totaled my Mazda.  The best

things done for me were... I was given panax ginseng in a small vial used

for tea, but drank it down all at once... every day for three weeks...

and... ultrasonic treatments from a physical therapist three times a week

for three weeks.  Chiropractic can realign the spine, but not heal the

pulled muscles and/or ligaments involved in whiplash.  My friend suffered

for nearly a year, going to the Chiro twice a week... when I finally got her

to seek the therapist for ultrasonic... she was her old self in two visits!

Also, alternating hot packs and cold packs (20 minutes each) a few times a

day helped in the beginning few days.

Best of luck and Good health to you.

Linda in Washington









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Whiplash??

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:04:06 -0400

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While you might try antispasmodics like black cohosh (Cimicifuga) or

lobelis (or Anita's famous muellin compress), St. John's wort or other

vulnuraries and an analgesic like meadowsweet or white willow bark, I

think acupuncture is the most efficient way to recover from the spasms. 



 I fell off of a stepladder Monday morning and my back was completely in

spasm.  I took homeopathic arnica, a bath and visited my world-class LMT,

but my back was still in major spasm.  It hasn't come back since my

acupuncture appointment on Tuesday. (I don't even bother with

chiropractic anymore because it doesn't last well.)



In my case the involvement was muscular and I believe a muscular

overreaction since I had been in an auto accident the year before and my

body seemed to be "remembering" the trauma.  But monitor your mental

state and get spinal x-rays if it doesn't return soon to make sure you

don't have severe herniation that impinges upon your nerves.



Karen Vaughan

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On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 03:40:14 -0400 "Bill & Judy Henry" <henry@cyberus.ca>

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Bill & Judy Henry" <henry@cyberus.ca>:

>

>Hi Folks

>

>Driving home the other night, I hit a deer.I thought I just clipped it

but

>the car is pretty banged up.  I thought I was OK but the next day, I

started to >notice muscle discomforts in my neck, back, shoulders and

knee.Also detailed

>information is not sinking into my brain when I talk to the insurance,

car

>rental place, etc.

>

>The chiropractor says I have trauma in my lower back and my emotional

body

>is jangled. I've been working with Rescue Remedy, homeopathic Arnica 

>and St Johns Wort tincture.Will have an Epsom Salt bath tomorrow. Any

other suggestions?

>

>Thanks.

>

>Judy

>



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Subject: Re: Whiplash??

From: "Bill & Judy Henry" <henry@cyberus.ca>

Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:08:07 -0400

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What is the famous Mullein compress? 



Judy





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To: Herb@MyList.net

Subject: St. John's Wort Interactions

From: G4DNeri@aol.com

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:20:16 EDT

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Hello, All -



This is my first post to the list.  I've really enjoyed lurking for awhile 

and have learned a lot from you knowledgeable and generous folks.  Thanks for 

that.



My question is about interactions between St. John's Wort (SJW) and various 

medications, particularly certain OTC cold remedies that warn on the label 

against taking with monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOI's).  I am aware the 

SJW has certain properties in common with MAOI's, but I think I read that it 

is not truly in the same class with the MAOI's, and I've been having trouble 

finding the reference.  Do you have any thoughts on this or about how SJW 

interacts with other medications, both OTC and Rx'd?  Can anyone cite any 

particular studies about the interactions?



I really appreciate any insight you have!



Warmly,

Donna



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Donna Bain Neri, RN

Community Health/Family Nurse Practitioner Masters Student

University of Virginia

Charlottesville, Virginia, USA

g4dneri@aol.com







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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort Interactions

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:24:38 -0400

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Although St. John's wort is primarily an SSRI (selective serotonin

reuptake inhibitor) it also has some MAOI properties, as well as several

other actions.  The jury is still out about whether it can be combined

with MAOIs, but it can be taken with SSRIs  IF and ONLY IF dosage is

carefully monitored.



I suggest you find a more natural cold medication- a finely minced garlic

clove coated in honey and chased with a glass of water, is an excellent

start.



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: repenecia (saw palmetto)

From: "Paul Janssens" <p.janssens@pandora.be>

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:04:14 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from "Paul Janssens" <p.janssens@pandora.be>:



I started loosing my hair two years ago after surgery performed under

epidural anaesthesia.  A dermatologist diagnosed male pattern hair loss due

to stress.  I don't know if his diagnose was correct.  I 've tried several

things like Androkur (Anti-male hormons) and minoxidil-lotion. Androkur gave

to much side-effects and minoxidil-lotion an allergic reaction.  Propecia,

the one thing that perhaps could help me regain my hair, isn't prescibed to

women.  I read about a natural medicine, repenecia, that should be more

effective then propecia.  Does anyone know if repenecia can be used to treat

hormonal hair loss ?  Is it available in Europe ?  Or is accupunture the

only answer to my problem ?

Mady from Belgium









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: repenecia (saw palmetto)

From: Tsadi@aol.com

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:58:59 EDT

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In a message dated 4/16/99 8:31:18 AM EST, p.janssens@pandora.be writes:



<< Or is accupunture the

 only answer to my problem ?

 Mady from Belgium >>



my 4-year-old daughter developed bald spots after a trauma. acupuncture was 

the only thing that worked, and it worked beautifully and quickly. i don't 

know if your situation is similar to hers, however.





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Black walnuts and parasites

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:19:41 -0400

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For the past few days a friend has been taking Black Walnut capsules - I

believe she said 3 capsules twice a day - for possible parasites and for

cleansing and was starting to feel 'really weird' as she put it. Bloating

and gas etc. which she attributes to the capsules.



She wanted to know if a tincture would be better - easier on the system -

and if having a reaction like that was normal.



She was also wondering about other herbal approaches to parasites.



I must say I'm a little skeptical about the parasite thing - there are some

naturopaths claiming that parasites are very widespread and that the only

way to discover them is by using some extremely esoteric equipment that

measures sympathetic vibrations.  Several people I know who've done this

kind of testing have been told they have four or five different parasites.

It bugs me - pun intended - that there was no confirmation from traditional

lab work - i.e. blood or stool.



On the other hand, parasites - other than the fellas that live in the

intestines - can be hard to detect.



Anyone have any thoughts?







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Black walnuts and parasites

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:39:19 -0600 (MDT)

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> I must say I'm a little skeptical about the parasite thing - there are some

> naturopaths claiming that parasites are very widespread and that the only

> way to discover them is by using some extremely esoteric equipment that

> measures sympathetic vibrations. 



The veritable doorway to alternative quackery.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Black walnuts and parasites

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:53:38 -0400

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I think that Black Walnut is hard on the system and I tend to doubt the

parasite business.  For one thing Hulda Clarke's protocols tend to be

self referential and her ,achines don't seem to refer to anything

generally recognized.  Secondly, we are walking colonies of creatures and

I don't think the parasite people distinguish between symbionts and

parasites.  It seems a cannon after a flea approach, by either herbs or

electronic devices.



Better to take balancing herbs.  Wiping out your flora with herbs or

allopathic protocols seems self defeating.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:19:41 -0400 "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

writes:



>She wanted to know if a tincture would be better - easier on the 

>system - and if having a reaction like that was normal.

>

>She was also wondering about other herbal approaches to parasites.

>

>I must say I'm a little skeptical about the parasite thing - there are 

>some naturopaths claiming that parasites are very widespread and that

the 

>only way to discover them is by using some extremely esoteric equipment 

>that measures sympathetic vibrations. 



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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Black walnuts and parasites

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:14:03 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:





>For the past few days a friend has been taking Black Walnut capsules - I

>believe she said 3 capsules twice a day - for possible parasites and for

>cleansing and was starting to feel 'really weird' as she put it. Bloating

>and gas etc. which she attributes to the capsules.



2 capsules 3 times a day would be more common, but I doubt that the effects

would be much different.  BWH will indeed kill parasites throughout the

body.  It will usually destroy the ones living in the intestines in 3 weeks

time.  I have not noticed it to have any appreciable effect on the "friendly

Flora", but the fiber product I take for the first 2 weeks does.  Therefore,

it's a good idea to take some Acidopholus  during and after.



>She wanted to know if a tincture would be better - easier on the system -

>and if having a reaction like that was normal.



I am not sure what other "cleansing" your friend hoped the BWH would do.

There are other herbs and routines specifically suited to cleansing the

colon, kidneys, liver/gallbladder, lymph and blood.  If your friend is not

taking a fiber colon cleanser along with the BWH, that may be the cause of

her bloating and gas.  If she has a large Candida and/or worm population, as

they begin to die off they will release toxins as they start to decompose.

It is very important to get this "waste matter" out of the colon as quickly

as possible.  Otherwise some of it will be absorbed, besides causing that

bloated feeling.  I use Herbal Fiber Cleanse by AIM (nci), but there are

many available at the health food store.



>She was also wondering about other herbal approaches to parasites.



>I must say I'm a little skeptical about the parasite thing - there are some

>naturopaths claiming that parasites are very widespread and that the only

>way to discover them is by using some extremely esoteric equipment that

>measures sympathetic vibrations.  Several people I know who've done this

>kind of testing have been told they have four or five different parasites.

>It bugs me - pun intended - that there was no confirmation from traditional

>lab work - i.e. blood or stool.



I can attest to the fact that an overgrowth of Candida can cause all sorts

of symptoms that mimic other diseases and complexes (such as

hypothyroidism).  It is not something most traditional doctors even

acknowledge exists, much less know how to look for.  The same applies to

worms.



Marie

marie.winston@worldnet.att.net



>On the other hand, parasites - other than the fellas that live in the

>intestines - can be hard to detect.



>Anyone have any thoughts?









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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Black walnuts and parasites

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:32:34 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:





Jeri,



>What size capsules do you need to take 2  3x a day and are they just

>powdered black walnut hulls?  Thanks! Jeri



Mine are 500mg, but I believe that as long as they are at least 450, you are

ok.  They are powdered green Black Walnut Hulls from the health food store.

Buy a brand that's non-irradiated, of course.  If you wish to eliminated

parasites that are located in the body proper, and not just in the

intestines, it will likely take longer than 3 weeks.



Marie

marie.winston@worldnet.att.net





>>To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:

>>

>>

>>>For the past few days a friend has been taking Black Walnut capsules - I

>>>believe she said 3 capsules twice a day - for possible parasites and for

>>>cleansing and was starting to feel 'really weird' as she put it. Bloating

>>>and gas etc. which she attributes to the capsules.

>>

>>2 capsules 3 times a day would be more common, but I doubt that the

effects

>>would be much different.  BWH will indeed kill parasites throughout the

>>body.  It will usually destroy the ones living in the intestines in 3

weeks

>>time.  I have not noticed it to have any appreciable effect on the

>>"friendly

>>Flora", but the fiber product I take for the first 2 weeks does.

>>Therefore,

>>it's a good idea to take some Acidopholus  during and after.

>>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Black walnuts and parasites

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:04:42 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>For the past few days a friend has been taking Black Walnut capsules - I

>believe she said 3 capsules twice a day - for possible parasites and for

>cleansing and was starting to feel 'really weird' as she put it. Bloating

>and gas etc. which she attributes to the capsules.



This is interesting.  In the last few weeks I have heard others say that

they've had the same type of reactions from "cleansing" products containing

Black Walnut.  In addition, some other symptoms appeared that seemed to be

reappearance of possibly suppressed ailments.  Anybody else had this happen?





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Black walnuts and parasites

From: paf@connix.com

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:40:19 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:



A few recent emails have mentioned black walnuts as treatment for

"parasites."  No mention of what these parasites are.  Let us be more

specific.



I understand that black walnut is recommended for worms, for instance, but

what effect, if any, would it have on intestinal infestation with:



giardia

amoebic infestation

cyclosporidia

tuberculosis



Anybody know?



Best, Anita







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Black walnuts and parasites

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:53:29 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:40:19 -0500, paf@connix.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>A few recent emails have mentioned black walnuts as treatment for

>"parasites."  No mention of what these parasites are.  Let us be more

>specific.

>

>I understand that black walnut is recommended for worms, for instance, but

>what effect, if any, would it have on intestinal infestation with:

>

>giardia

>amoebic infestation

>cyclosporidia

>tuberculosis



Not much. Do lung strenghteners for TBC, keep your blood clean, strengthen your

liver, and eat your antibiotics. TBC is contagious when active, so health

authorities in civilized countries will shell out the cash for your antibiotics,

if you can't yourself. It's about 2000 USD a shot (a year's supply, which you

will have to ingest; that's why you have to strengthen your liver). If you don't

do the antibiotics your pals, acquaintances, and folks you cough at on the bus

might get TBC. Believe me, they won't love you for it.



Do the antiamoebic woods (bitternut etc) for giardia and other amoebas. 



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Black walnuts and parasites

From: paf@connix.com

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:44:27 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:



At 4:04 PM -0800 4/29/99, Anita Hales wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:

>

>

>>For the past few days a friend has been taking Black Walnut capsules - I

>>believe she said 3 capsules twice a day - for possible parasites and for

>>cleansing and was starting to feel 'really weird' as she put it. Bloating

>>and gas etc. which she attributes to the capsules.

>

>This is interesting.  In the last few weeks I have heard others say that

>they've had the same type of reactions from "cleansing" products containing

>Black Walnut.  In addition, some other symptoms appeared that seemed to be

>reappearance of possibly suppressed ailments.  Anybody else had this happen?



Anita, when patients are being effectively treated for intestinal

parasites, it is common for them to have a "die-off" or Herxheimer reaction

when treatment is being effective.  That means that toxins are released

from the dying organisms which temporarily make the patient feel worse

(bloating, gas, general malaise, headache.)  But it's a good sign that the

treatment is working.



Been there, Anita





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Black walnuts and parasites

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:45:25 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/29/99 10:37:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paf@connix.com 

writes:



<< I understand that black walnut is recommended for worms, for instance, but

 what effect, if any, would it have on intestinal infestation with:

 

 giardia

 amoebic infestation

 cyclosporidia

 tuberculosis >>



Anita,



Read down the list I posted on GSE - then maybe do both  if you think you 

have worms and some other unfriendlies.

peter





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Question on St. John's Wort

From: "Sandra" <sandra7@enteract.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:03:55 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Sandra" <sandra7@enteract.com>:



I was hoping to get some information on the use of St. John's Wort

for anxiety. I'm just starting to investigate this and there's so much

different information it can get a bit confusing. My son is taking 

Paxil and I was going to start, but am wondering if I shouldn't

give SJW a chance before going onto medication. I tend to have

a very strong reaction to any new medication and even some 

herbs. Many years ago I took Valerian Root and I was literally on the

floor and out of it for hours. 



Thank you to anyone who might be able to offer some information. 



Sandra







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Question on St. John's Wort

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:24:56 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/16/99 1:04:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

sandra7@enteract.com writes:



<< I was hoping to get some information on the use of St. John's Wort

 for anxiety. I'm just starting to investigate this and there's so much

 different information it can get a bit confusing. My son is taking 

 Paxil and I was going to start, but am wondering if I shouldn't

 give SJW a chance before going onto medication. I tend to have

 a very strong reaction to any new medication and even some 

 herbs. Many years ago I took Valerian Root and I was literally on the

 floor and out of it for hours. 

 

 Thank you to anyone who might be able to offer some information.  >>



I ADD:



Hi Sandra-



Do you have depression or anxiety or anxiety attacks. Different herbs needed 

for these conditions.



Let us know -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

Professional Consultations

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Question on St. John's Wort

From: "Sandra" <sandra7@enteract.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:22:19 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Sandra" <sandra7@enteract.com>:







>

>Do you have depression or anxiety or anxiety attacks. Different herbs

needed

>for these conditions.

>

Right now it's anxiety attacks. I've had them on and off for thirty years.

I've got several other problems (CFS/fibromyalgia/costocondritis.) I've

been able to deal with most of my problems, but the PA (panic attacks)

are starting to take a lot out of me.



I've always figured that the depression is associated with how bad I feel

most of the time.



Once again, all information is appreciated.



Sandra











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Question on St. John's Wort

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:14:02 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:





At 12:03 PM 4/16/99 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Sandra" <sandra7@enteract.com>:

>

>I was hoping to get some information on the use of St. John's Wort

>for anxiety. I'm just starting to investigate this and there's so much

>different information it can get a bit confusing. My son is taking 

>Paxil and I was going to start, but am wondering if I shouldn't

>give SJW a chance before going onto medication. 



>Thank you to anyone who might be able to offer some information. 



Sandra,



My husband has been on Paxil and off.  He says paxil is the best of the

pharmaceuticals for anxiety.  He has tried a wide variety of herbal aids

for anxiety and his choices are kava kava and motherwort. We both have

experienced severe depression following use of valerian and Jamaican

dogwood  I don't recommend either of these except for in the moment relief.

 He also really likes American ginseng (not specific to anxiety).  Any of

the ginsengs could be a good addition to your healthcare for immune system

enhancement and flexibility to stress and energy levels.  My favorite is

Siberian ginseng.  Our next natural choice for anxiety relief is to move

away from Atlanta.  I can't really say much about St John's wort.  It has

been described to me as a very solar plant, bringing light into the gloom

-good for dark depression.  I think you may find that motherwort is a

better choice for anxiety.  It is the "there there, everything is okay"

plant.  I applaud your desire to use a natural remedy, but don't be too

hard on yourself or your son for going pharmaceutical.  Sometimes you need

the drug to get you to a place where you can envision and begin to create a

healthier life (off drugs) <smile>.  Of course all this advice is very

superficial , working with someone (for example an herbalist) who takes a

full history and current lifestyle would provide you with a better

understanding of what is going on with your health and what choices might

be best for you.  Long and rambling, but I hope useful.



Julie Calhoun Stallings

Herbal Student









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Question on St. John's Wort

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@digisys.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:15:01 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@digisys.net>:



At I think you may find that motherwort is a

>better choice for anxiety.  It is the "there there, everything is okay"

>plant.  



I would like to hear more about motherwort and how it is used. Yesterday I

just rototilled about 50 of these plants! Veronica 







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Question on St. John's Wort

From: "Sandra" <sandra7@enteract.com>

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:47:33 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Sandra" <sandra7@enteract.com>:









>My husband has been on Paxil and off.  He says paxil is the best of the

>pharmaceuticals for anxiety.  He has tried a wide variety of herbal aids



Julie, thank you very much for all the information. I'm to the point now

where

I think I'll have to try the Paxil. I do take Siberian Ginseng, though I've

found

I can't take it first thing in the morning, usually about noon is best for

me.

Also, I've been taking more calcium with magnesium and that definately

has a calming effect. I've also started meditation (for anyone looking for

wonderful albums I'd suggest the two by Secret Garden) and even though

I have the pain from fibromyalgia I continue to walk at least 20 minutes

a day.



With support like your information and working on a positive attitude I'm

sure I'll get this under control once again.



Thanks again for the information.



Sandra















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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Question on St. John's Wort

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:13:01 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:



>Julie, thank you very much for all the information. I'm to the point now

>where

>I think I'll have to try the Paxil. I do take Siberian Ginseng, though I've

>found

>I can't take it first thing in the morning, usually about noon is best for

>me.





Sandra,



It sounds like you are on the right track.  If Siberian ginseng is a little

strong for you, you may want to try the American ginseng (panax

quinquefolium), it is milder in some ways and still excellent support for

your health.  You will want to remember the botanical name to make sure you

get the right one.  



One of the side effects of paxil is gas sometimes with cramping pains, so

you may want to line up your herbal remedies for that.  The choices are

numerous.  I find raspberry leaf tea to be excellent for immediate relief

of cramping pains.  



Best luck on your health journey.



Julie Calhoun Stallings

Herbal Student







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Question on St. John's Wort

From: brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor)

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:52:26 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor):



I've know several people who have reversed "depression" with nutrition.

Taking a high quality herbal vit/min supplement and/or a "green drink"

supplement can get plant-based vitamins, minerals and protein into your

system in a very assimilable form.  We use Vitalerbs from Christopher

Enterprises and Green Magic from New Spirit (not a commercial plug, just

info).  There are any number of these available.  A good friend of mine got

off an anti-depressant by just taking the Vitalerbs.  So, you might want to

explore this avenue.  I, personally, think that the cause of depression

(esp. a lack of proper neuro-chemicals) is lack of proper nutrition.  I

just finished reading Paul Bergner's book "The Healing Power of Minerals"

and I learned alot about how important minerals are to very basic functions

in the body.  I knew that our food in this country was lacking most

minerals, but I had no idea what functions were affected by those minerals.

I have another friend who, thru nutrition and some counseling, has

overcome her anxiety attacks and angoraphobia (fear of crowds).  She is

doing very nicely, now that she has changed her diet.  It can take a while

to hit on the right combination for you and for things to self correct in

your body.  But you might want to explore this avenue, even if you go on

the Paxil for a while.



Rusty



>To herb@MyList.net from "Sandra" <sandra7@enteract.com>:

>

>>My husband has been on Paxil and off.  He says paxil is the best of the

>>pharmaceuticals for anxiety.  He has tried a wide variety of herbal aids

>

>Julie, thank you very much for all the information. I'm to the point now

>where

>I think I'll have to try the Paxil. I do take Siberian Ginseng, though I've

>found

>I can't take it first thing in the morning, usually about noon is best for

>me.

>Also, I've been taking more calcium with magnesium and that definately

>has a calming effect. I've also started meditation (for anyone looking for

>wonderful albums I'd suggest the two by Secret Garden) and even though

>I have the pain from fibromyalgia I continue to walk at least 20 minutes

>a day.

>

>With support like your information and working on a positive attitude I'm

>sure I'll get this under control once again.

>

>Thanks again for the information.

>

>Sandra



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Black walnuts & parasites

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:54:21 -0400

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On those parasites that are detected only by extremely esoteric equipment that

measures sympathetic vibrations, I wonder about the possibility of a hoax, like

the chiropractor who used muscle checking to determine which supplements were

best for a patient.  When the patient switched the contents of the containers at

home before coming for the next visit, the chiropractor was fooled, suggesting

that the chiropractor's recommendations were predetermined, and the muscle

checking was just a smoke screen.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Black walnuts & parasites

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:42:03 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/17/99 12:14:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

tmueller@bluegrass.net writes:



<< On those parasites that are detected only by extremely esoteric equipment 

that

 measures sympathetic vibrations, I wonder about the possibility of a hoax, 

like

 the chiropractor who used muscle checking to determine which supplements were

 best for a patient.  When the patient switched the contents of the 

containers at

 home before coming for the next visit, the chiropractor was fooled, 

suggesting

 that the chiropractor's recommendations were predetermined, and the muscle

 checking was just a smoke screen.

  >>



I ADD:



Actually Tom when I choose to do muscle testing neither the client or I know 

what he or she is holding.  There is a procedure we use where we use a base 

tray of vitamins,  gest -- minerals,  the herbs some we might choose,and some 

we would not, all to give us a broad spectrum we wish to test for.  They are 

handed to us without either of us looking and placed at the appropriate 

testing points on the body. These testing points are used for a variety of 

conditions and substances and some overlap. Not to open a whole discussion on 

muscle testing which is controversial at best, but to let you know some of us 

are trying to do all we can to clear the field of healing.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

Professional Consultations

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Fw: Black walnuts & parasites

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:14:26 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:



Actually in talking with my friend I also mentioned muscle-testing as a

similarly dubious diagnostic technique. As you point out, its pretty easy to

prove that muscle testing (or applied kinesiology) only works when people

know what's in the containers and have some preconceived ideas about whether

the substance is 'good' or 'bad'.



Same goes for pendulums etc.



----- Original Message -----

From: <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

-like

> the chiropractor who used muscle checking to determine which supplements

were

> best for a patient.  When the patient switched the contents of the

containers at

> home before coming for the next visit, the chiropractor was fooled,

suggesting

> that the chiropractor's recommendations were predetermined, and the muscle

> checking was just a smoke screen.









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: parasites

From: NewJardin@aol.com

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:03:54 -0600 (MDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from NewJardin@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/17/99 5:32:46 AM EST, owner-herb-digest@MyList.net 

writes:



<<On the other hand, parasites - other than the fellas that live in the

 intestines - can be hard to detect.

 Anyone have any thoughts?>>



I had an medical text from the last century. It was fascinating to read and 

probably a full half the text was devoted to rddding patients of parasites 

(worms). However, none of those parasites were hard to see.. All sorts of 

gross pictures of 20 foot tape worms or pin worms, or round worm or hook 

worms... yuck... Most required fasting and exposure to an intestinal irritant 

to *remove* them. 



I don't anyone harboring such critters could miss the ..umm..*evidence*... in 

the stools.



Gave it away to a Doctor friend of mine. She was as fascinated as I. As for 

people looking for *invisible* parasites in western populations I'd be a bit 

suspicious. I look for yeast sysptoms or other unbalance symptoms over 

invisible parasites in people feeling chronically unwell.



Lil

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: parasites

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:03:16 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



>As for people looking for *invisible* parasites in western populations

I'd be 

>a bit suspicious. 



The legacy of the germ theory run amok.

Wait til they see that plants have critters too.



Having had real parasites (giardia) that I got rid of herbally (Chinese

Traditional Formulas Aquilaria-22- Aquilaria, Ginger, Mume, Codonopsis,

Myroloban, Poria, Attractylodes, Quisqualis, Omphalia, Sassurea, Torreya,

Areca peel, Nutmeg, Cardamon, Ulmus, Zanthoxylun, Licorice and Aloe

Vera.), I know its possible, but real parasites show up in tests and

create real symptoms.



Karen Vaughan

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: parasites

From: luna! luna! <thessalia@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:50:17 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from luna! luna! <thessalia@juno.com>:







i have some questions regarding pinworms....  what kind of damage do they

actually do, especially in children?  do they eventually leave the host? 

if it is necessary to rid someone of them, how should they go about doing

it?







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: parasites

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:02:14 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:50:17 -0700, luna! luna! <thessalia@juno.com> wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>i have some questions regarding pinworms....  what kind of damage do they

>actually do, especially in children?  



Pinworms are admirably adapted to the human host, and don't do any damage,

except that you scratch your ass all the time. 



If friends visit your place, and you have had pinworms for a while (which

implies microscopic pinworm eggs everywhere, including your breathing air), your

friends start scratching -their- asses about two weeks after their visit. Two

weeks is the time it takes the eggs to grow into mature pinworms, mate, and lay

eggs outside your rectum, making it itch.

Hmmmm, your friends go, trying to figure out where they might have caught it,

remembering the way your cat, dog, and toddler dragged their asses along the

floor. And your social life suffers. Lots.



>do they eventually leave the host? 



Pinworms die. The eggs sort of fall off. However, you get new pinworm eggs in

your breathing air with every breath you take, if you live in a pinworm

household.



>if it is necessary to rid someone of them, how should they go about doing

>it?



First you burn the pinworm house. (I once asked those in the know about vacuum

cleaners. They looked at me with pity in their eyes, and sniggered.)



In your new place you start out with eating garlic religiously. Give it to your

pets, too. Boil all your clothing and linen, and throw away what you can't boil.



If you visit a household where kids and pets scratch their asses all the time,

eat garlic for a couple days.



That, folks, is pinworms.



Nope, I haven't had pinworms. Pinworms are fairly common in the Midwest and

Southwest US. We don't have pinworms in Finland.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: parasites

From: maggie@gpc.peachnet.edu

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:44:52 -0400 (EDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from maggie@gpc.peachnet.edu:



> 

> To herb@MyList.net from luna! luna! <thessalia@juno.com>:

> 

> 

> 

> i have some questions regarding pinworms....  

    <snip>

> if it is necessary to rid someone of them, how should they go about doing

> it?

> 

>   At the risk of getting *yelled* at.... eat tobacco...

    just a quarter or half a cig... followed in about two weeks

    by another one... oh yes and burn the house. :)





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: panic attacks

From: NewJardin@aol.com

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:04:59 -0600 (MDT)

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In a message dated 4/17/99 5:32:46 AM EST, owner-herb-digest@MyList.net 

writes:



<<Right now it's anxiety attacks. I've had them on and off for thirty years.

 I've got several other problems (CFS/fibromyalgia/costocondritis.) I've

 been able to deal with most of my problems, but the PA (panic attacks)

 are starting to take a lot out of me.

 I've always figured that the depression is associated with how bad I feel

 most of the time.>>



Sandy,

Now as a discaimer I'll also say if you are on medication your panic attacks 

may be a medication reacion so check with your physician.



I can't write authoritatively on soft tissue inflamation problems which have 

been associated with epstein-barre viral infections (mononucleosis --kissing 

disease virus---gone nuts. Apparently in some people mono which is usually 

relatively harmless can go systemic and be harboured in the soft tissues for 

years causing recurrent infection. 



However, being a psychotherapist panic attacks are quite common problems in 

people. One of my friends from college did a wholistic study on the 

physiology of panic attack. It goes something like this.

1) A person has some thinking that causes them anxiety. It my be an 

immeadiate crisis like a fire or some old memory that cause anxiety of the 

order *Gee I hope this doesn't turn out like that awful time I'm remembering 

right now.*



2) The person become physically tense, tightening all their muscles including 

some involuntary ones like the stomach and gut.



3) The voluntary muscles produce tons of lactic acid as a by-product of use.



4) Lactic acid binds up the calcium in the system.



5) The person gets the *shakes* from calcium deprivation.



6) they have a panic attack.



7) Additionally, they have digestive problems and all the alments associated 

with poor digestion. They don't absorb enough calcium and the associated 

mineral magnesium.



The best treatment is wholistic.

Physical:

 Learn to *intentionally * relax your body. An easy technique to use is 

Jacobsen's where you stasrt by tensing your hand as tight as you can and then 

relaxing. Work through all the body parts tensing and relaxing several time a 

day.

Mental:

Ask yourself *is this real or memory* By this I mean if you are reacting to a 

situation in real time *as if* it was some bad thing that happened long ago 

correct your thinking. If you have tons of post trauma issue find someone to 

talk to about them.

Nutritional:

Eat more calcium and magnesium rich foods.



Get better.

Lil

NewJARDIN@aol.com

http://hometown.aol.com/NewJardin/







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: panic attacks

From: "Sandra" <sandra7@enteract.com>

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:59:31 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Sandra" <sandra7@enteract.com>:







>Now as a discaimer I'll also say if you are on medication your panic

attacks

>may be a medication reacion so check with your physician.



Lil, yes, I've checked on this. Actually, one of my meds, a calcium blocker

for high blood pressure is supposed to be of help with PAs, I believe in

blocking some of the palpations associated with them.



>3) The voluntary muscles produce tons of lactic acid as a by-product of

use.

>

>4) Lactic acid binds up the calcium in the system.



This makes a lot of sense to me and must be why the added calcium is

helping.



I've also wondered if taking saffron would help. Many years ago when I was

in my "good time" I started working out at a health club. My chiropractor

suggested I drink saffron tea after a workout because it flushed the lactic

acid out of the muscles, which caused the aching. I know that panic attack

symptoms can be brought about in healthy people by the injection of lactic

acid.



>7) Additionally, they have digestive problems and all the alments

associated

>with poor digestion. They don't absorb enough calcium and the associated

>mineral magnesium.



This is another area I've been wanting to investigate. I'm almost sure I

have

a malabsorbtion problem. .



Great recommendations on the wholistic approach. I know I'm not going to

get over this by simply taking Paxil. Nor do I think just doing Cognitive

Behavior

Therapy will work. I think it's a combination, along with my eating better.

I've

been really working on that and have seen the benefits on the bathroom

scale.



Thanks so much to you and others for the help.



Sandra











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Panic attacks, calcium and lactic acid

From: Ed Blonz <ed@blonz.com>

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:10:08 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Ed Blonz <ed@blonz.com>:







The recycling of lactic acid into glucose is called the Cori cycle, and it

involves the production of lactic acid by the muscles, this lactate then going

to the liver where it is promptly converted back to glucose.   The Cori cycle

is in play during anaerobic (no oxygen) exercise, and I would imagine that the

muscular tension during a panic attack would not represent any greater

production than a workout.





Sandra wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from "Sandra" <sandra7@enteract.com>:

>

> Lil, yes, I've checked on this. Actually, one of my meds, a calcium blocker

> for high blood pressure is supposed to be of help with PAs, I believe in

> blocking some of the palpations associated with them.

>

> >3) The voluntary muscles produce tons of lactic acid as a by-product of

> use.



There is only a certain amount of lactic acid that will be produced - enough to

saturated the cycle so to speak.   The cramping that one feels when pushing

during extreme exercise is the effects of lactic acid buildup.



>

> >

> >4) Lactic acid binds up the calcium in the system.

>

> This makes a lot of sense to me and must be why the added calcium is

> helping.

>



Not so.   The added calcium may be providing calcium that your body needs, but

I don't believe it is because of any special effect on the lactic acid.  You

are taking a calcium channel blocker - calcium being involved in nerve

transmission.





>

> I've also wondered if taking saffron would help. Many years ago when I was

> in my "good time" I started working out at a health club. My chiropractor

> suggested I drink saffron tea after a workout because it flushed the lactic

> acid out of the muscles, which caused the aching. I know that panic attack

> symptoms can be brought about in healthy people by the injection of lactic

> acid.



The best way to help rid your muscles of lactic acid is to take a break on

occasion.  This allows the blood to perfuse the muscles and carry the lactic

acid away to the liver where it is changed into glucose.   The saffron tea

effect is different.  There is a small amount of evidence that saffron might

help oxygen diffusion into cells.  This additional oxygen would reduce the

production of lactate (lactate forms when there is a demand for energy, but

insufficient oxygen to take run the krebs cycle where the bulk of aerobic

energy is produced).   This saffron effect has yet to be confirmed in any

practical sense.



Ed Blonz





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Subject: Ginseng seeds

From: "Pejman Azady" <AZADY_PE@NET1CS.modares.ac.ir>

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:55:20 +330

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Hi



I am looking for some Ginseng(Panax ginseng) seeds. Can anyone help me?





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Ginseng seeds

From: HERBWORLD@aol.com

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:30:07 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from HERBWORLD@aol.com:



Ginseng seeds...one good source:





Nature's Cathedral, LeRoy J. Ballard, 1995 78th St., Blairstown, IA 

52209-9721; 319-454-6959





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To: herbs <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: concentration

From: Alex Gibson <alexg@tig.com.au>

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:46:34 +1000

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To herb@MyList.net from Alex Gibson <alexg@tig.com.au>:



Hello All!

I'm quite new to all this.....

I'm studying Naturopathy this year, and it's my first yr...... I think

I'm just having trouble getting back into 'study mode'...... But does

anyone have any concentration tips? Whether they be mind/mental or

herbal..... I could really use them right now..... Or perhaps something

that helps your poor ole memory out? :o)

Any input would be wonderful! :)

Thankyou heaps in advance!

Alex.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: eustachen tubes

From: Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:20:33 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:



Everyone,

The gal who works for me is plauged by ear infections and even after the

infections are cleared she suffers from plugged eustachen tubes. Does

anyone have any suggestions for something she could take on a regular (or

not) basis to keep these tubes open? Her MD says that her tubes do not open

everytime she swallows (that is apparently what they should do) and tells

her to chew gum to try and keep them open. This doesn't work very well. Any

ideas?



Thanks,

Natalie

Natalie Pastor

Library Instruction/Graphic Services

SDSU Library

npastor@mail.sdsu.edu



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: eustachen tubes

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:10:44 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Initially I'd want to see whether her cranial structures allow proper

drainage.  An Upledger Institute-trained osteopath who does sacro-cranial

work might be the first stop.



I would also check her diet for allergens- dairy, wheat and orange juice

are often implicated.  Liquids should be sufficient.  The idea is to

clear up and thin out mucus in the tubes.



Decongestant herbs could be a band-aid until the underlying condition is

resolved.  If needed for an underlying infection, the usual suspects

should be tried (raw garlic, echinacea, muellin, elecampagne and

eyebright.)  If allergens are implicated, remove those which are possible

and try nettles.  Horseradish may be useful for cleaning out both the

sinuses and the tubes.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

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darkness of mere being"-



On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:20:33 -0700 Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:

>



>The gal who works for me is plauged by ear infections and even after the

>infections are cleared she suffers from plugged eustachen tubes. Does

>anyone have any suggestions for something she could take on a regular 

>(or not) basis to keep these tubes open? Her MD says that her tubes do

not 

>open everytime she swallows (that is apparently what they should do) 



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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: eustachen tubes

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:09:49 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>>The gal who works for me is plauged by ear infections and even after the

>>infections are cleared she suffers from plugged eustachen tubes. Does

>>anyone have any suggestions for something she could take on a regular 

>>(or not) basis to keep these tubes open? Her MD says that her tubes do

>not 

>>open everytime she swallows (that is apparently what they should do) 



She's probably got lots of mucous and phlegm in her body and is suffering

from repeated antibiotic use. First of all, suggest Swedish Bitters before

each meal to help digestion and stimulate the body's processes.  Cleanse

the bowel by eating only vegetables for a week or two.  Steamed or fresh

are equally good.  You might also add some psyllium to help clear the

bowel.  Add some supplements to replace the most likely missing favorable

flora in the gut (e.g. acidophilus and bifidophilus).  Use a neti pot with

myrrh solution to cleanse the sinuses and rinse the mouth daily.  Should

help.  Make sure she does not go back to heavy meat eating too quickly

following and avoid dairy products.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: eustachen tubes

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:02:16 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:20:33 -0700, Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu> wrote

to herb@MyList.net:



>To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:

>

>Everyone,

>The gal who works for me is plauged by ear infections and even after the

>infections are cleared she suffers from plugged eustachen tubes. Does

>anyone have any suggestions for something she could take on a regular (or

>not) basis to keep these tubes open? Her MD says that her tubes do not open

>everytime she swallows (that is apparently what they should do) and tells

>her to chew gum to try and keep them open. This doesn't work very well. Any

>ideas?



I'd try mullein oil, as ear drops, on a more or less constant basis. 

I'd also tell her to remove all dairy from her diet, and I'd do a full

constitutional to try to see her patterns.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: straining herbs

From: charles e cornelius <ccorn2@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:26:28 -0700

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After allowing herbs to set in alcohol for several weeks what is the best

method to strain the tincture off without using a winepress. 

Does anyone have info onl ways of doing this? 

Thanks

cec



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Subject: Re: straining herbs

From: "Janina Srensen" <janinaherb@bigfoot.com>

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:30:24 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from "Janina Srensen" <janinaherb@bigfoot.com>:







>After allowing herbs to set in alcohol for several weeks what is the

best

>method to strain the tincture off without using a winepress.

>Does anyone have info onl ways of doing this?

>Thanks

>cec

>

Hi,

Depends the nature of the material, if it was fresh, dried, if its

flowers, bark seeds or leaves, cut in pieces or entire.

Generally, we want an alcoholic extract to contain little residues of

the plantmaterial. So, after the appropriate time, having turned or

shaken the mixture of herb & alcohol accordingly, first we drain

through a simple sieve (seeds, barks), leaving the extraction vase

upside down on it to drain completely. Leaves and flowers we drain the

same way, if they (flowers and/or leaves) contain a lot of liquid

still, we can press them using a babys nappy (material of course, not

Pampers...) or a cheesecloth, pressing out by hand, we might need to

filter through a coffeefilter afterwards though.



Hope this helps- otherwise state the nature (species) of your

plantmaterial for more exact comments.

Regards  Janina













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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: straining herbs

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:15:24 -0400

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I purchased a large conical stainless steel strainer.  You can really

press the marc to squeeze it out and it is fine enough for noncommercial

tinctures.  It has a hook on the side opposite the handle which allows

you to suspend it over a bowl.



I also use an old glass chemex coffemaker which has a funnel shaped top,

with the strainer, muslin bags or a coffee filter.  It is harder to

really squeeze things out, but the muslin bag can be put in a tincture

press (or one can be improvised with a very large C clamp, a rubber plug

sized just to fit into a can or jar, and the jar. Put the bag in the jar

with the plug over it, and tighten the C clamp with one end under the can

and one over the plug.  Squeeze, tilt the apparatus on its side over a

bowl, and tighten the clamp until all is squeezed out.)



Karen Vaughan

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On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:26:28 -0700 charles e cornelius <ccorn2@juno.com>

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from charles e cornelius <ccorn2@juno.com>: 

>After allowing herbs to set in alcohol for several weeks what is the

best

>method to strain the tincture off without using a winepress. 

>Does anyone have info onl ways of doing this? 



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: straining herbs

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:12:39 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>After allowing herbs to set in alcohol for several weeks what is the best

>method to strain the tincture off without using a winepress. 

>Does anyone have info onl ways of doing this? 



You can strain it through cheesecloth pressing firmly with the heel of the

hand.  Follow this with a straining through a coffee filter.  Or you can

pour it into a centrifugal juicer which I have found is just about the best

thing to use.





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Subject: Re: straining herbs

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:30:56 -0400

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Anita,



Don't you lose a lot of the tincture from the centrifugal juicer?  I'd

think the alcohol would easily evaporate.



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On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:12:39 -0800 Anita Hales

<anita.hales@worldnet.att.net> writes:



>pour it into a centrifugal juicer which I have found is just about the 

>best thing to use.

>



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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: straining herbs

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:19:34 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>

>Don't you lose a lot of the tincture from the centrifugal juicer?  I'd

>think the alcohol would easily evaporate.



I don't seem to lose much.  It is very quick.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: straining herbs

From: brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor)

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:36:11 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor):



>To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:

>

>

>>After allowing herbs to set in alcohol for several weeks what is the best

>>method to strain the tincture off without using a winepress.

>>Does anyone have info onl ways of doing this?

>

>You can strain it through cheesecloth pressing firmly with the heel of the

>hand.  Follow this with a straining through a coffee filter.  Or you can

>pour it into a centrifugal juicer which I have found is just about the best

>thing to use.



I spent the $90 and bought a small screw press from a place in NJ (I

think).  It is advertized in a number of herb magazines.  I find it saves

my hands from the alcohol, and I get alot more tincture out of the herbs.

This is not a big deal when dealing with less expensive herbs, but is

paying for itself when it comes to expensive herbs.



Rusty



       What did the Seattle native say to the Pillsbury Doughboy?

                        "Nice tan."  ;^)



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Motherwort

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:49:11 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:



At 09:15 AM 4/19/99 -0600, you wrote:



>



>I would like to hear more about motherwort and how it is used. Yesterday

I



>just rototilled about 50 of these plants! Veronica 



>









Motherwort- leonarus cardiaca-  from the botanical name you may guess

that it is a good heart herb and you would be right.  It is a circulatory

tonic. My husband has used it for anxiety and palpitations.





>>>>



<excerpt>"The remedy is fundametally a broad neurocardiac relaxant with a

mild depressant action that is perfect for those presenting chronic

symptoms of anxiety, irritability, palpitations, sleep loss and chest

discomfort."  Peter Holmes, The Energetics of Western Herbs Vol. 2.





</excerpt><<<<<<<<



This is a small part of what Peter Holmes has to say on motherwort.





 It is contraindicated during pregnancy because of its emmenagogue

effects.  It stimulates the uterus.  It is recommended for women with PMS

and menopausal symptoms.  It is good as a tea or tincture.    For PMS I

use mugwort, but last month I think I might have done better with

motherwort as I was unusually irritable.  I was told that motherwort is

more the crones herb and mugwort was more of the maidens herb.  





You can find M. Grieve's A Modern Herbal online at the following address.

 This link will take you direct to the motherwort entry.





http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/m/mother55.html





If you have a specific question, I can try to answer it.





Julie Calhoun Stallings



Herbal Student













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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: cayenne pepper 

From: brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor)

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:24:11 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor):



from a medicinal perspective, are notter peppers better for you? I have

gotten yes and no answers on this question.



Bob Taylor



       What did the Seattle native say to the Pillsbury Doughboy?

                        "Nice tan."  ;^)



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: cayenne pepper 

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:55:02 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:



I would say it depends on what you want the peppers to do.  Are you trying

to increase circulation, induce sweating or stop bleeding from a wound?

For diet purposes hotter is not better.  Moderation is best.  Too much

spicy food is hard on the liver.



Julie Calhoun Stallings

Herbal Student





At 05:24 PM 4/19/99 -0700, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor):

>

>from a medicinal perspective, are notter peppers better for you? I have

>gotten yes and no answers on this question.

>

>Bob Taylor

>

>       What did the Seattle native say to the Pillsbury Doughboy?

>                        "Nice tan."  ;^)

>

>        The surly bird gets the germ!  |^)

>

>

>**********************************************************************

>                  Mrs. Rusty Taylor - Poulsbo, WA

>                    brtaylor@telebyte.net (home)

>                        ICQ #15158154

>                Quail Haven Herbs - Taylor Website:

>               http://pacific.telebyte.com/~brtaylor/

>**********************************************************************

>

>

>

>





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To: herb@MyList.net (list)

Subject: Heel Spurs

From: "Connie C. Hayes" <chayes@wizard.com>

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:00:39 -0700 (PDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from "Connie C. Hayes" <chayes@wizard.com>:



My husband has been complaining of his feet hurting for awhile now.

For the last few weeks, it has gotten even worse.  I have done some

research on heal spurs, and would love to hear your input on what I

have found.



My husband is overweight by about 35 lbs.  He also has to walk all day

long at the job he is in.  We are working on the weight, but there is

nothing we can do about him being on his feet for hours.  I am looking 

into different types of shoes, or shoe inserts.  I do massage on his 

feet and legs, and this does help.  I am thinking that the Mullein

compress of Anita Hales might help him here also.  Any thoughts as

to how often I should do the compress Anita?



I am also having him take Grape Seed Extract, since I was told it would

help with tissue strength, and inflammation.  He can't take tylenol, or

any type of aspirin, so need ideas for reducing inflammation just under

his arches area.  I was also told to use Pancreatic enzymes three times

a day, but am unsure just what these are for, and how to use them.  



Does anyone have any more suggestions for me?  I am unwilling to allow

him to go in to have these removed, since I know they will only return

if we don't find the cause.  I don't just want to cure the symptom, I

want to cure where it all came from.



Thank you for your time

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Heel Spurs

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:09:12 -0600 (MDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



herb@MyList.net,Internet writes:

>My husband is overweight by about 35 lbs.  He also has to walk all day

>long at the job he is in.  We are working on the weight, but there is

>nothing we can do about him being on his feet for hours.  I am looking 

>into different types of shoes, or shoe inserts.  I do massage on his 

>feet and legs, and this does help.



Astragalus is perfect for these sorts of things (to help with his vitality, and

alleviate pain that way). White Chinese ginseng would also be good.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net (list)

Subject: Re: Heel Spurs

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:21:48 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>My husband has been complaining of his feet hurting for awhile now.

>For the last few weeks, it has gotten even worse.  I have done some

>research on heal spurs, and would love to hear your input on what I

>have found.

>

>My husband is overweight by about 35 lbs.  He also has to walk all day

>long at the job he is in.  We are working on the weight, but there is

>nothing we can do about him being on his feet for hours.  I am looking 

>into different types of shoes, or shoe inserts.  I do massage on his 

>feet and legs, and this does help.  I am thinking that the Mullein

>compress of Anita Hales might help him here also.  Any thoughts as

>to how often I should do the compress Anita?



Shoes and inserts can help but won't fix the reason his feet are hurting in

the first place.  The mullein compress can be helpful.  It can be used

daily if necessary but you might find that it will bring relief for several

days in a row.  It can be used as often as needed.  He probably needs more

calcium, magnesium, selenium, zinc and vitamin C.  He may also have "stuck

blood" as they say in Chinese medicine.  For this you would need a Chinese

herbalist for diagnosis and prescription.  The mullein compress actually

helps stuck blood as I have discovered.  Massage is good too.  Might check

his diet for "cold" foods that will make his blood more stuck.



>

>I am also having him take Grape Seed Extract, since I was told it would

>help with tissue strength, and inflammation.



Pretty expensive for the good you get from it.



  He can't take tylenol, or

>any type of aspirin, so need ideas for reducing inflammation just under

>his arches area.  I was also told to use Pancreatic enzymes three times

>a day, but am unsure just what these are for, and how to use them.  



Might help some but are not specific.  Soaking the feet in an Alder bark or

catkins decoction will also help.  Acupuncture can help.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Black Cohosh to help labour?

From: TBone & Christina <tbone@netease.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:44:34 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from TBone & Christina <tbone@netease.net>:



Hi everyone,



The due date is here and labour hasn't started yet.  My concern is that

the baby is already over 8 pounds and it would be an easier birth if it

didn't get much bigger.  I went to the herb store and was recommended

black cohosh and raspberry tea.



My question is how will the black cohosh act?  It's a one and a half

hour trip to the midwife clinic and I need to know what reaction the

herb will have on my body.



Also, I have some Shepherd's Purse packed in the birth kit to help stop

the bleeding after the birth.  Is there something better or is it the

herb of choice for internal bleeding?



Thank you for any help,



Christina in Tennessee





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:  Black Cohosh to help labour?

From: VetiverGal@aol.com

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:58:24 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from VetiverGal@aol.com:





In a message dated 20/4/99 1:40:15 pm, you wrote:



<<The due date is here and labour hasn't started yet.  My concern is that

the baby is already over 8 pounds and it would be an easier birth if it

didn't get much bigger.  I went to the herb store and was recommended

black cohosh and raspberry tea.



My question is how will the black cohosh act?  It's a one and a half

hour trip to the midwife clinic and I need to know what reaction the

herb will have on my body.>>



Christina,



My experience with inducing labour is that the baby won't come unless it's 

ready! I tried to induce my first with castor oil (blech--total disaster), 

homeopathy, sex, you name it.... he came when he was ready, at 43 weeks.  My 

other two came early (thank goodness).



I can't comment on the actions and success of black cohosh as I didn't try 

that, but if your cervix isn't thinned and ready to open before you try 

natural induction methods, it's most likely induction of strong contractions 

will just make you tired and stressed.  



best wishes,

Amy





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Black Cohosh to help labour?

From: TBone & Christina <tbone@netease.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:37:46 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from TBone & Christina <tbone@netease.net>:



Maybe I should have mentioned that the cervix is almost fully effaced

and 2 cm dillated.  I've also been getting irregular contractions for 5

days.  That's why I'm a little impatient.



Christina





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Black Cohosh to help labour?

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:54:23 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



At 10:37 AM 4/20/99 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from TBone & Christina <tbone@netease.net>:

>

>Maybe I should have mentioned that the cervix is almost fully effaced

>and 2 cm dillated.  I've also been getting irregular contractions for 5

>days.  That's why I'm a little impatient.

>

>Christina

>

>So, things are progressing for this baby to come into the world all on its

own.  Why the rush?  The baby and your body will do this dance just fine

without the speed of the record being set to "high."  Your impatience is a

sign of impending and beginning labor...not to worry from what you

describe.  Enjoy every moment of this ride; it's a gift not everyone gets

to experience.



Peace, 

Aliceann

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Black Cohosh to help labour?

From: brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor)

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:00:59 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor):



>To herb@MyList.net from TBone & Christina <tbone@netease.net>:

>

>Hi everyone,

>

>The due date is here and labour hasn't started yet.  My concern is that

>the baby is already over 8 pounds and it would be an easier birth if it

>didn't get much bigger.  I went to the herb store and was recommended

>black cohosh and raspberry tea.

>

>My question is how will the black cohosh act?  It's a one and a half

>hour trip to the midwife clinic and I need to know what reaction the

>herb will have on my body.

>

>Also, I have some Shepherd's Purse packed in the birth kit to help stop

>the bleeding after the birth.  Is there something better or is it the

>herb of choice for internal bleeding?

>

>Thank you for any help,

>

>Christina in Tennessee





Blue cohosh has traditionally been used to bring on labor, but only if the

body and baby are ready.  Be sure to have some cayenne pepper in there with

the shepherd's purse - not only for bleeding (it evens out the blood

pressure very quickly), but to prevent shock.



Best of luck on your delivery!



Rusty



       What did the Seattle native say to the Pillsbury Doughboy?

                        "Nice tan."  ;^)



        The surly bird gets the germ!  |^)





**********************************************************************

                  Mrs. Rusty Taylor - Poulsbo, WA

                    brtaylor@telebyte.net (home)

                        ICQ #15158154

                Quail Haven Herbs - Taylor Website:

               http://pacific.telebyte.com/~brtaylor/

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Black Cohosh to help labour?

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:24:30 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



I also used blue cohosh.  It worked quickly and easily with my first...but

my water HAD broken 2 days before.

It did not work with my second, even though he was a month late already.  A

more physical method worked with him...but we discussed this a few months

ago, and I will not get into it because of the nasty feedback i got the last

time this was brought up..

Joanie









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To: herb@MyList.net (list)

Subject: Bone Spur (more)

From: "Connie C. Hayes" <chayes@wizard.com>

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:53:21 -0700 (PDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Connie C. Hayes" <chayes@wizard.com>:



I was just going over some of the past posts I have saved, and ran 

across one from Anita Hales on "broken foot"  You suggested a hot

pot, with bees wax and capsicum.  In the post you said it could help

with the inflammation, could that help my husband with the bone spur?

Do need to find some things to help with the pain and swelling in the

meantime, he had a hard time getting out of bed this morning.  Said

that after he took about 15 steps, the pain lessened enough to walk 

normal.



Thanks again

Connie   

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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net (list)

Subject: Re: Bone Spur (more)

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:58:22 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>I was just going over some of the past posts I have saved, and ran 

>across one from Anita Hales on "broken foot"  You suggested a hot

>pot, with bees wax and capsicum.  In the post you said it could help

>with the inflammation, could that help my husband with the bone spur?

>Do need to find some things to help with the pain and swelling in the

>meantime, he had a hard time getting out of bed this morning.  Said

>that after he took about 15 steps, the pain lessened enough to walk 

>normal.



It may help.  I've not tried it on this.  However my "famous" mullein

compress might be better.  It's probably in the list archives on

Henriette's website.  If you can't find it, I'll send it again.

Make sure he gets adequate calcium in an easily assimilable form with

magnesium, selenium and zinc and vitamin C  (about 3000mg or more).

He might benefit from some herbs to "move blood" as in Chinese medicine.

You'd have to check with a Chinese herbalist for the proper prescription.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Bone Spur (more)

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:54:41 -0600 (MDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



herb@MyList.net,Internet writes:

>He might benefit from some herbs to "move blood" as in Chinese medicine.

>You'd have to check with a Chinese herbalist for the proper prescription.



Not for a depletion-type bone spur like this one. The proper therapy is boost

qi.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Bone Spur (more)

From: "Connie C. Hayes" <chayes@wizard.com>

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:36:07 -0700 (PDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Connie C. Hayes" <chayes@wizard.com>:



What would be a good source to find information on boosting qi?

Money is a factor, and do not know of a Chinese herbalist in my

area.  Will check into that, but in the mean time, want to inform

myself as much as possible.



Thank you for all the wonderful information so far, it is a big

help to us!!!



Connie



p_iannone@lamg.com wrote:

> To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:

> 

> herb@MyList.net,Internet writes:

> >He might benefit from some herbs to "move blood" as in Chinese medicine.

> >You'd have to check with a Chinese herbalist for the proper prescription.

> 

> Not for a depletion-type bone spur like this one. The proper therapy is boost

> qi.

> 

> Paul

> 

> 

> 

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Brown Recluse, Black Widow Spiders

From: paf@connix.com

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:42:31 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:



We are soon to move to a part of the country where I've been informed  that

black widow and brown recluse spiders are a real problem.   I've always

gotten along well with spiders, but brown recluse spiders are another

matter.



Anyone have suggestions for repellents to keep them out of the house?

Boric acid?  Lavender essential oil?  My son, who lives in the area, says

they even spray the lawn against spiders in an effort to keep them from

moving into the house.  Sounds extreme.

Best, Anita





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: Brown Recluse, Black Widow Spiders

From: Diana Rae <DianaRae@FairIsaac.com>

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:12:49 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Diana Rae <DianaRae@FairIsaac.com>:



The brown recluse are nocturnal and prefer foods such as firebrats,

crickets, cockroaches and other soft bodied creatures.  Earning their name

well, the recluse spider ceases its wanderings at first light.  People are

most commonly bitten in bed, while changing clothes, or cleaning storage

areas.  Not only will this spider hide in cracks and crevices of the home,

they will often climb into clothing or shoes that someone has laid out to

wear the following day.



Short of using heavy poisonous chemicals like Ficam and Bayqon, which

definitely kill the spiders, you can try the following:

* Eliminate or shield outdoor lights or bright indoor lights that attract

the spiders' insect food source. 

* Trim weeds around the building foundation and remove debris to discourage

insects and spiders from living next to a structure. 

* Seal openings and install screens and door sweeps to prevent spiders (as

well as other unwanted pests) from moving indoors. 

* Use a vacuum cleaner to remove webs, spiders and their egg sacs. 

* Place glue traps where spiders are seen, like doorways.  These are like

flytraps - the spiders walk in and get stuck. 

* Spray Dr. Bronner's Peppermint soap directly on the spider if you see it

(or squish it if you prefer)

* Natural predators: Birds, geckos, lizards, mammals, ants, centipedes,

scorpions and other spiders feed on spiders. 



If you get bitten, head for the doctor right away, bring the spider if you

can.  You could go into shock or even lose a limb.



I also found an interesting treatment at 

http://www.countrysidemag.com/issues/3_1998.htm :



"It has been found that the treatment of choice for brown recluse spider

bite is a compress of powdered charcoal applied as soon after the bite as

possible, preferably during the first 24 hours, with frequent changes (about

every 30 minutes for the first eight hours). The next day, the time interval

for changing the poultices or compresses (mixed with water, cornstarch and

charcoal) can be lengthened to two and then four hours. An anesthetist, on

hearing the report of how charcoal poultices are a near-specific for the

extremely toxic bite of the brown recluse spider, related that just the

previous day he had anesthetized a lady for the second time, to do a more

extensive amputation of her foot from the bite of a brown recluse spider

that had bitten her over two months before. The first amputation had not

removed all the damaged tissue, and it had failed to heal."



I found a web site with some extremely graphic pictures of brown recluse

spider bite - very gross and shocking - which you might want to see to

convince you about the need to not get bitten!  

http://www.acu-heal.com/spider-healing.html





-----Original Message-----

From: paf@connix.com [mailto:paf@connix.com]

Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 1:43 PM

To: herb@mylist.net

Subject: Brown Recluse, Black Widow Spiders





To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:



We are soon to move to a part of the country where I've been informed  that

black widow and brown recluse spiders are a real problem.   I've always

gotten along well with spiders, but brown recluse spiders are another

matter.



Anyone have suggestions for repellents to keep them out of the house?

Boric acid?  Lavender essential oil?  My son, who lives in the area, says

they even spray the lawn against spiders in an effort to keep them from

moving into the house.  Sounds extreme.

Best, Anita





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Brown Recluse, Black Widow Spiders

From: maggie@gpc.peachnet.edu

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:26:01 -0400 (EDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from maggie@gpc.peachnet.edu:



> 

> To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:

> 

> We are soon to move to a part of the country where I've been informed  that

> black widow and brown recluse spiders are a real problem.   

  <snip>

> they even spray the lawn against spiders in an effort to keep them from

> moving into the house.  Sounds extreme.

> Best, Anita



  May I ask where is it that you are moving to that they are such a problem?

  I live in the South and we have both... but I have never heard of anyone

  having such a bad problem with them.. Yes I have seen them... once even

  in the house... squished it... and I was cleaning a closet... I wear long

  sleeved clothes and gloves when I clean or work in areas I know they like to 

  hide out in.  Also keep your shoes  up off the floor and in shoe boxes..

  I like the plastic kind... they can not sneak in under the lid.a

  there are numerous other precautions you can take... But I hate to

  spray everything with yuck... besides most of the time it only works

  if the critter is there and gets hit with the spray to begin with.



  maggie.

 

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Brown Recluse, Black Widow Spiders

From: "S. Carlton" <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:39:37 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "S. Carlton" <carlton@mint.net>:



At 09:26 AM 4/21/99 -0400, maggie@gpc.peachnet.edu wrote:

>To herb@MyList.

In reference to a posting from:

>> To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:





>  May I ask where is it that you are moving to that they are such a problem?

>  I live in the South and we have both... but I have never heard of anyone

>  having such a bad problem with them.. Yes I have seen them... once even

>  in the house... squished it... and I was cleaning a closet... I wear long

>  sleeved clothes and gloves when I clean or work in areas I know they

like to 

>  hide out in.  Also keep your shoes  up off the floor and in shoe boxes..

>  I like the plastic kind... they can not sneak in under the lid.a

>  there are numerous other precautions you can take... But I hate to

>  spray everything with yuck... besides most of the time it only works

>  if the critter is there and gets hit with the spray to begin with.

>

>  maggie.



I add:



Good posting, Maggie!   I just recently had my say re: spider bites on this

list... nothing is any different now... but the kinds of common-sense

precautions mentioned by Maggie are used throughout the sub-tropical and

tropical areas of the world for the avoidance of any number of different

pestiferous beasties... from ants, to scorpions, to centipedes, to

snakes... and on and on.  I'm certain that anyone interested will find any

number of such tips on websites dealing with living in or moving to such

areas of the world.



No question... the postings regarding the dire consequences of necrotic

arachnidism are very graphic and very apt... but represent the 'high end'

if you will of the consequences continuum.  Keep in mind that none of these

organisms is out actively hunting sweet human flesh... bites, when they

occur, are, by and large, a consequence of your not being aware of what you

are doing or where you are putting hands or feet.



Behaviorly, the 'recluse' spiders of the genus Loxoceles are, as has been

pointed out, primarily nocturnal hunters ... the do not normally spin webs

and their anatomy is such that they are capable of fitting into very small

spaces.  They are not particularly aggressive ... but they do tend to be

fairly defensive.



Widows, on the other hand, are web dwellers;  it is uncommon to find them

other than in their more-or-less permanent lair where, even on the web,

they tend to be very docile and non-aggressive ... they will, obviously,

bite if pinched, restrained, or otherwise physically endangered but, do not

pose a major threat.



Scott Carlton

spiders@mint.net









Please visit "Naturalphoto's Web Site" at:

http://www.Geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/7136/ ... an eclectic gathering of

photos, writings, discussions, and links ... also spider classifications...

working draft of "The Spider Species of Maine" now available.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: Brown Recluse, Black Widow Spiders

From: brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor)

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:36:08 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor):



>To herb@MyList.net from Diana Rae <DianaRae@FairIsaac.com>:

>

>The brown recluse are nocturnal and prefer foods such as firebrats,

>crickets, cockroaches and other soft bodied creatures.  Earning their name

>well, the recluse spider ceases its wanderings at first light.  People are

>most commonly bitten in bed, while changing clothes, or cleaning storage

>areas.  Not only will this spider hide in cracks and crevices of the home,

>they will often climb into clothing or shoes that someone has laid out to

>wear the following day.

>

>Short of using heavy poisonous chemicals like Ficam and Bayqon, which

>definitely kill the spiders, you can try the following:

>* Eliminate or shield outdoor lights or bright indoor lights that attract

>the spiders' insect food source.

>* Trim weeds around the building foundation and remove debris to discourage

>insects and spiders from living next to a structure.

>* Seal openings and install screens and door sweeps to prevent spiders (as

>well as other unwanted pests) from moving indoors.

>* Use a vacuum cleaner to remove webs, spiders and their egg sacs.

>* Place glue traps where spiders are seen, like doorways.  These are like

>flytraps - the spiders walk in and get stuck.

>* Spray Dr. Bronner's Peppermint soap directly on the spider if you see it

>(or squish it if you prefer)

>* Natural predators: Birds, geckos, lizards, mammals, ants, centipedes,

>scorpions and other spiders feed on spiders.

>

>If you get bitten, head for the doctor right away, bring the spider if you

>can.  You could go into shock or even lose a limb.

>

>I also found an interesting treatment at

>http://www.countrysidemag.com/issues/3_1998.htm :

>

>"It has been found that the treatment of choice for brown recluse spider

>bite is a compress of powdered charcoal applied as soon after the bite as

>possible, preferably during the first 24 hours, with frequent changes (about

>every 30 minutes for the first eight hours). The next day, the time interval

>for changing the poultices or compresses (mixed with water, cornstarch and

>charcoal) can be lengthened to two and then four hours. An anesthetist, on

>hearing the report of how charcoal poultices are a near-specific for the

>extremely toxic bite of the brown recluse spider, related that just the

>previous day he had anesthetized a lady for the second time, to do a more

>extensive amputation of her foot from the bite of a brown recluse spider

>that had bitten her over two months before. The first amputation had not

>removed all the damaged tissue, and it had failed to heal."

>

>I found a web site with some extremely graphic pictures of brown recluse

>spider bite - very gross and shocking - which you might want to see to

>convince you about the need to not get bitten!

>http://www.acu-heal.com/spider-healing.html





Two other things for the bites of these spiders... put some echinacea

directly onto the bite and drink the rest of the bottle to give the body a

jolt of immune boosting.  Also, if the brown recluse spider's bite breaks

down the hyaluronic acid that holds our cells together, echinacea will stop

this action (stops the enzyme, hyaluronidase, from breaking down cell

walls).  Another thing that could be powerful is plantain.  Few plants have

the poison drawing power of plantain.  It could be taken internally and

used as a poultice or fomentation externally.



Rusty



       What did the Seattle native say to the Pillsbury Doughboy?

                        "Nice tan."  ;^)



        The surly bird gets the germ!  |^)





**********************************************************************

                  Mrs. Rusty Taylor - Poulsbo, WA

                    brtaylor@telebyte.net (home)

                        ICQ #15158154

                Quail Haven Herbs - Taylor Website:

               http://pacific.telebyte.com/~brtaylor/

**********************************************************************









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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Pin Worms

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:20:17 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:



>i have some questions regarding pinworms....  what kind of damage do they

>actually do, especially in children?



Although they cause little physical damage, their effects can cause

psychological damage, especially in children.  Pin worms are a frequent, but

little recognized cause of bedwetting.  They also cause children to be

"antsy", since they itch.  Children have been labeled as hyperactive/ADD and

put on Ritilin, for fidgeting all the time.



>do they eventually leave the host?

>if it is necessary to rid someone of them, how should they go about doing

>it?



Hops, Hyssop, Wormwood are a few anthelmintics.  Here are a couple sets of

instructions from an old herbal that's available online for $12 from Robert

Santee sharbob@budget.net (nci).  Don't use more than 1 remedy at a time.



  Balmony, infused one ounce of herb to a pint of boiling

water, and given freely 3 ounces at a time, has long been considered a

certain remedy for worms in children.



                                                or



  Powdered Bitter Aloes (such as Cape Aloes) will often clear out pin worms

after a few doses.  Take one 60mg. capsule every three hours.  You won't

need to follow with a purgative.



The book, "Vita Therapy" contains much more valuable information on all

sorts of subjects.



Marie

marie.winston@worldnet.att.net















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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Pin Worms

From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@thc-tsg.com>

Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:27:49 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@thc-tsg.com>:



Always nice the way a remedy is usually close to where the problem can 

be found.  In the warm climates, like where I grew up and kids go barefoot, 

people tend to pinworms more.  Fortunately, watermelons grow there also.  

 Watermelon seeds are a good anthelminic.  Chew them up and swallow 

instead of spitting them out when you eat your watermelon.





> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:20:17 -0400

> From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

> Subject: Re: Pin Worms

> 

> >i have some questions regarding pinworms....  what kind of damage do they

> >actually do, especially in children?





Gerald W McClurg/ Director/ Technical Services Group





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: pressing and tinctures

From: charles e cornelius <ccorn2@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:40:49 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from charles e cornelius <ccorn2@juno.com>:



Janinna and Karen



Thanks for the info regarding pressing the herb after 'curing'.  I used

what each suggested to some extent. Will look further into using the C

clamp.



Another question.......after having expressed the tincture theres the

remaining plant material that has some amount of tincture left.  I put

this in ice cube trays, covered with water and froze for later use.  Are

the majority of the herbs useable later in this manner or does the

freezing alter them as unusable?  I realize this may cover a broad area,

but currently have no other way of approaching it. 



Thank you for your time,

cec 



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To: henriette <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: spiders

From: Wes Hayes <hayesherb@yahoo.com>

Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:47:26 -0700 (PDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Wes Hayes <hayesherb@yahoo.com>:



I have heard that paprika and especially cayenne pepper are

particularly good at repelling pests along doorways. Spiders are

repelled (or eliminated) much easier than other pests due to their

particular lung system. The best advice for eliminating spiders is to

destroy their foood source... take measures to eliminate other pests

around the house. 



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Viola odorata

From: "Janina Srensen" <janinaherb@bigfoot.com>

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:36:01 +0200

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Janina Srensen" <janinaherb@bigfoot.com>:



Hi,

Spring flowers all around, small tiny ones. I found a large patch of

Viola odorata, absolutely heavenly smell. Does anyone know how to

captivate this scent, what's the best medium- oil, warm or cold,

beeswax, lard... when are the flowers best picked, morning, evening

etc. In the vase they seem to smell strongest in the evening, do they

give off fragrant molecules after they are picked, like jasmine, would

in that case a kind of enfleurage be best?

Thanks

Janina









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Tincture Question

From: "Jeri Williams" <coa-gen@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:04:40 -0000

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Jeri Williams" <coa-gen@worldnet.att.net>:



   I just started making tinctures and am having a question on a fresh plant

tincture (I'm following Michael Moore's instructions).  I chopped about two

ounces of fresh hyssop and am using everclear--what I'm uncertain about is

the weight/volume amounts.  It says steep one part of plant by weight for

7-10 days in two parts by volume of grain alcohol (something might be

missing from my copy of his instructions here, if so please let me know).  I

converted the ounces to grams for the herb weight.  Decided it meant double

the weight but switch to milliliters for the amount of alcohol.  Can someone

let me know if I'm getting it right?

Thanks!  Jeri







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Tincture Question

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:44:56 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:04:40 -0000, "Jeri Williams" <coa-gen@worldnet.att.net>

wrote to <herb@MyList.net>:



>   I just started making tinctures and am having a question on a fresh plant

>tincture (I'm following Michael Moore's instructions).  I chopped about two

>ounces of fresh hyssop and am using everclear--what I'm uncertain about is

>the weight/volume amounts.  It says steep one part of plant by weight for

>7-10 days in two parts by volume of grain alcohol (something might be

>missing from my copy of his instructions here, if so please let me know).  I

>converted the ounces to grams for the herb weight.  Decided it meant double

>the weight but switch to milliliters for the amount of alcohol.  Can someone

>let me know if I'm getting it right?



You're doing okay if your amounts are equivalent to this:



Fresh herb: Maceration:

100 g fresh chopped-up herb to 2 dl of 95 % EtOH



Dried herb: Maceration:

100 g dried chopped-up herb to 5 dl menstruum, usually between 50 and 70 % EtOH,

the rest being water.



Dried herb: Percolation:

If you percolate you need to measure the volume of your dried herb (say, 2 dl),

and add said volume to your menstruum, ie. 100 g dried herb to (5+2 =) 7 dl

menstruum. This one should give you 5 dl dried herb tincture.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: GSE as water purifier

From: Ela <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:54:35 -0600 (MDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Ela <ferret@panix.com>:



I have a question, please.  I remember in the past that some of you

mentioned using GSE (grapefruit seed extract) as a water purifier, and

that it worked well.  If you have done this, could you PLEASE do me a big

favour and just email me a couple of details (how much you used, how

often, etc.).  I have a friend who would love to try this, but isn't sure

how best to go about it.  Thanks a million!



- Ela



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: GSE as water purifier

From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@thc-tsg.com>

Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:14:55 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@thc-tsg.com>:



I tried it recently in a trip to South Pacific.  I think it works great.  20 - 30 

drops in a gallon of water ( let sit for 30 minutes preferably)  left me with no 

problems that I would have had from drinking the local water.  It was a lot 

cheaper than buying bottled water also.  On those occasions when local 

water or food started making for intestinal distress (diarhea, etc) a glass of 

water with 3-5 drops would generally return your stomach to mostly normal 

in a few hours.   Symptoms, including the diarhea, would be gone.  Others 

on the trip had the same positive experience.   30 drops will leave a taste 

in the water.  Not bad taste, just different. Chilling it over night mostly 

made the taste go away.



I used it in the form of "Traveler's Friend", which is just a smaller bottle of 

GSE.  Same as any other pure/ plain GSE.  I have since given some to 

friends and employees heading to Ecuador and to the 

Albania/Montenegro/Kosovo area. 



BTW, the traveler's friend bottle is unfortunately the same size and shape 

as some eye drop bottles. On the last day I picked up the wrong one and 

went plop plop into my eye. WOW did it hurt.  Super bad. It says distinctly 

don't put it in your eye.  I strongly agree.   My eye was really, really red, 

there was a lot of tearing and supporation almost for at least 24 hours even 

though I flushed it immediately for at least 10 minutes.   As it recovered 

onthe 2nd day, it was almost bruised looking under my eye from the 

redness.  The interesting and curious part, my vision improved (from age 

related I can't see close anymore itis) for a couple of weeks.  Definitely a 

lot of gunk came from my eye.  Makes me think about trying the capsicum 

eyewashes to see if similar, though less painful, results would occur.  



> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:54:35 -0600 (MDT)

> From: Ela <ferret@panix.com>

> Subject: GSE as water purifier

> 

> GSE (grapefruit seed extract) as a water purifier, 

> (how much you used, how  often, etc.).  







Gerald W McClurg/ Director/ Technical Services Group





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: GSE as water purifier

From: brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor)

Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:41:13 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor):



Interesting... thank you for sharing about the grape seed extract for water

purification.  BTW, where did you get the GSE?



As to the eyewash with cayenne... I have used it, and it definitely stings,

but the effect goes away in a few minutes.  I haven't used it for a long

enough period of time to be able to tell a difference in my vision.  I've

been near-sighted all my life.  Now I also have the

age-related-can't-see-close-itis.  (There is a name for that - can't think

of it at the moment.)  I should use it, but it is a matter of thinking

about it all the time.  I have to work on one problem at a time.



Rusty



>To herb@MyList.net from "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@thc-tsg.com>:

>

>I tried it recently in a trip to South Pacific.  I think it works great.

>20 - 30

>drops in a gallon of water ( let sit for 30 minutes preferably)  left me

>with no

>problems that I would have had from drinking the local water.  It was a lot

>cheaper than buying bottled water also.  On those occasions when local

>water or food started making for intestinal distress (diarhea, etc) a glass of

>water with 3-5 drops would generally return your stomach to mostly normal

>in a few hours.   Symptoms, including the diarhea, would be gone.  Others

>on the trip had the same positive experience.   30 drops will leave a taste

>in the water.  Not bad taste, just different. Chilling it over night mostly

>made the taste go away.

>

>I used it in the form of "Traveler's Friend", which is just a smaller

>bottle of

>GSE.  Same as any other pure/ plain GSE.  I have since given some to

>friends and employees heading to Ecuador and to the

>Albania/Montenegro/Kosovo area.

>

>BTW, the traveler's friend bottle is unfortunately the same size and shape

>as some eye drop bottles. On the last day I picked up the wrong one and

>went plop plop into my eye. WOW did it hurt.  Super bad. It says distinctly

>don't put it in your eye.  I strongly agree.   My eye was really, really red,

>there was a lot of tearing and supporation almost for at least 24 hours even

>though I flushed it immediately for at least 10 minutes.   As it recovered

>onthe 2nd day, it was almost bruised looking under my eye from the

>redness.  The interesting and curious part, my vision improved (from age

>related I can't see close anymore itis) for a couple of weeks.  Definitely a

>lot of gunk came from my eye.  Makes me think about trying the capsicum

>eyewashes to see if similar, though less painful, results would occur.



       What did the Seattle native say to the Pillsbury Doughboy?

                        "Nice tan."  ;^)



        The surly bird gets the germ!  |^)





**********************************************************************

                  Mrs. Rusty Taylor - Poulsbo, WA

                    brtaylor@telebyte.net (home)

                        ICQ #15158154

                Quail Haven Herbs - Taylor Website:

               http://pacific.telebyte.com/~brtaylor/

**********************************************************************









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: GSE as water purifier

From: Michele <zens.inn@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:48:06 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Michele <zens.inn@worldnet.att.net>:



I have also used GSE in my drinking water before, during and after trips

to other countries including Hong Kong, Korea, Taiwan, China.  I always

try to get the most pure water I can find and I add about 3-5 drops per

8 oz.  Tastes bitter, but as said earlier, if the water is chilled the

taste is less noticeable.  I have never had food poisoning or parasites

even when eating "what the locals eat" while taking the GSE.  



I highly recommend it.  I purchased my bottle from BioChem Labs. You can

probably get a phone number through the 800 info directory.  One small

bottle goes a long way.  



I now also use it as a wash for my vegetables and fruits before eating

them.  I just let them soak in a bowl of water with a few drops of GSE

in it to kill anything on them.  Also, helps to remove waxy residue from

fruits that I thought didn't have wax on them when I purchased them.



Regards,

Michele





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: GSE as water purifier

From: Ron Tay <opendoor@pacbell.net>

Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:13:45 -0700

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Bob and Rusty Taylor wrote:



>

> Interesting... thank you for sharing about the grape seed extract for water

> purification.  BTW, where did you get the GSE?

>



Maybe it was just a typographical error, but just in case it wasn't, note the

difference between grapefruit seed extract and grape seed extract!!!



As far as I am aware, grape seed extract has antioxidant properties, but NO anti

microbial properties...



Ron







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: GSE as water purifier

From: Michele <zens.inn@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:30:27 -0600

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Also, when you the letters GSE being used it is denoting Grapefruit Seed

Extract.









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: GSE as water purifier

From: brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor)

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:30:08 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor):



>To herb@MyList.net from Ron Tay <opendoor@pacbell.net>:

>

>

>

>Bob and Rusty Taylor wrote:

>

>>

>> Interesting... thank you for sharing about the grape seed extract for water

>> purification.  BTW, where did you get the GSE?

>>

>

>Maybe it was just a typographical error, but just in case it wasn't, note the

>difference between grapefruit seed extract and grape seed extract!!!

>

>As far as I am aware, grape seed extract has antioxidant properties, but

>NO anti

>microbial properties...

>

>Ron



It was a typo... I meant grapefruit seed extract.  :^)



Rusty



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: PDR for Herbal Medicines

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:21:15 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:



Anyone looked at the PDR for Herbal Medicines?



Here's the blurb from Amazon:



>>PDR for Herbal Medicines is far more than a translation of German

Commission E monographs. It covers approximately twice the number of herbs

reviewed by this German regulatory agency. It also offers a wealth of

information on each herb's chemical composition and clinical effects, and

extensive bibliographies on every plant. Indexed by scientific and common

name, indication, and therapeutic category, it permits the user to quickly

identify all the natural options for each type of ailment. With a Side

Effects Index and Drug/Herb Interactions Guide, it also provides readers

with a thorough source of information on adverse reactions to herbal

products. It is a basic reference for anyone seriously interested in herbal

remedies of every kind. <<



A few of the customer reviews at Amazon were not so positive.



Sounds like it would be more suitable for someone who took a allopathic

approach but I'm wondering if it would still be a useful reference.







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Subject: Re: PDR for Herbal Medicines

From: HERBWORLD@aol.com

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:33:39 EDT

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excellent reference. but you can get it significantly cheaper at Sam's Club 

than at Amazon



Maureen Rogers

The Herb Growing & Marketing Network

http://www.herbnet.com & http://www.herbworld.com





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: PDR for Herbal Medicines

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:40:32 -0400

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I picked up the Herbal PDR at a discount from Cosco.  I'm not enthralled

with it, but it is a decent materia medica with somewhat dated

information.  (The German Commission E was some time back.)  It will

doubtless be used by MDs as an authoritative source.  Tends to be a bit

conservative in application, warning against many good herbs which need

to be used knowledgeably.  The photos are all segregated from the text

(like the drug pictures are in the normal PDR.)  For general use, the

illustrated Holistic Herbal by David Hoffman, Penelope Ody's Complete

Medicinal Herbal and Andrew Chevallier's Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants

are better values.  If you are a practicioner who needs to interact with

MDs, the Herbal PDR is useful.



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Help for withdrawal from anti-depressant.

From: AdWitch1@aol.com

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:48:20 EDT

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Help. I have a friend who is tapering off of Paxil, 20 mg daily. She's been 

on it for 2 years -- longer than people are supposed to stay on it. Paxil 

isn't one of the drugs that is supposed to be used long-term. She would get 

horrible headaches if she was just late with her pill, then started getting 

them regardless. She decided to get off, by tapering to 10 mg daily then 5. 

She's still at 10, and is experiencing "clicking" sensations in her head, 

headache, nausea, and general withdrawal symptoms. Are there any herbs or 

vitamins that can help ease withdrawal?



Please repsond.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Help for withdrawal from anti-depressant.

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:52:37 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



A first step would to support the liver, which Paxil definitely does

stress.  Lemon water in the morning a half hour before eating, a

tablespoon of milk thistle seed ground in a coffee grinder over cereals,

salads or other foods and dandelion greens sauteed or in a salad with

dinner would be a good start.  I'd make liberal use of bitter herbs, good

water, burdock (gobo) as a cooked vegetable, oats and artichokes. Milk

thistle seed, burdock and dandelion can also be used as a tincture if she

can't integrate in food sources consistently.  A dropperful of each tin

water three times a day would be a good start, but she can increase that

dosage if needed as these are not toxic herbs.



A day of vegetable-only fasting each week can help the detoxification

process.  



In the meantime I'd have her drink a quart of oatstraw infusion each day

for the first two weeks and two cups daily thereafter.  Oatstraw is an

excellent nourishing nervine which will help rebuild the nervous system,

as well as a source of magnesium (and other minerals) which is often

deficient in people suffering from depression. The oatstraw is delicious

as is, but can also be mixed with mints, red clover, licorice hyssop

(agastache) or nettles.  Use an ounce infused in a quart of boiling

water, steeped overnight and drunk at room temperature.  Oatstraw can be

purchased in bulk for less than $5 per pound.   



I'd also try the flower essence of chapparal, three drops three times a

day in water (which can be mixed with the tinctures or oatstraw

infusion.)  And she can rub essential oil of basil, lavendar or rosemary

in the temples (diluted) when she feels a headache coming on.



Karen Vaughan

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On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:48:20 EDT AdWitch1@AOL.COM writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from AdWitch1@aol.com:

>

>Help. I have a friend who is tapering off of Paxil, 20 mg daily. She's

been 

>on it for 2 years -- longer than people are supposed to stay on it.

Paxil 

>isn't one of the drugs that is supposed to be used long-term. She would

get 

>horrible headaches if she was just late with her pill, then started

getting 

>them regardless. She decided to get off, by tapering to 10 mg daily then

5. 

>She's still at 10, and is experiencing "clicking" sensations in her

head, 

>headache, nausea, and general withdrawal symptoms. Are there any herbs 

>or vitamins that can help ease withdrawal?



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Help for withdrawal from anti-depressant.

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:11:11 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:



What else has she been taking?  Does she drink alcohol?  Does she smoke

tobacco?  Paxil as well as these affect the levels of serotonin in the

brain.  So does chocolate and some other attractive things that people

regularly crave.



Julie Calhoun Stallings

Herbal Student







At 08:48 PM 4/21/99 EDT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from AdWitch1@aol.com:

>

>Help. I have a friend who is tapering off of Paxil, 20 mg daily. She's been 

>on it for 2 years -- longer than people are supposed to stay on it. Paxil 

>isn't one of the drugs that is supposed to be used long-term. She would get 

>horrible headaches if she was just late with her pill, then started getting 

>them regardless. She decided to get off, by tapering to 10 mg daily then 5. 

>She's still at 10, and is experiencing "clicking" sensations in her head, 

>headache, nausea, and general withdrawal symptoms. Are there any herbs or 

>vitamins that can help ease withdrawal?

>

>Please repsond.

>

>





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Help for withdrawal from anti-depressant.

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:35:58 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:





My husband has been on and off Paxil, but beyond that he is a biological

chemistry whiz specializing in neurotransmitters.  He believes he can help

your friend if she is interested in contacting him directly.  He has some

herbal knowledge in particular for this type of thing plus vitamin, mineral

and amino acid supplementation information.  Let me know if she is

interested and I'll send you or her his email address.



Julie Calhoun Stallings

Herbal Student





At 08:48 PM 4/21/99 EDT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from AdWitch1@aol.com:

>

>Help. I have a friend who is tapering off of Paxil, 20 mg daily. She's been 

>on it for 2 years -- longer than people are supposed to stay on it. Paxil 

>isn't one of the drugs that is supposed to be used long-term. She would get 

>horrible headaches if she was just late with her pill, then started getting 

>them regardless. She decided to get off, by tapering to 10 mg daily then 5. 

>She's still at 10, and is experiencing "clicking" sensations in her head, 

>headache, nausea, and general withdrawal symptoms. Are there any herbs or 

>vitamins that can help ease withdrawal?

>

>Please repsond.

>

>





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Eucalyptus Honey

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:20:46 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>:







>I'm searching for a source for Eucalyptus honey. Can anyone point me 

>the right direction?

>Amanda Reeves

Beekeepers can tell you when they have Eucalyptus honey ready for the

farm stands. (Our local police sent me to a beekeeper when I had a huge

hornet's nest hanging over my sidewalk.)  Is there a special herbal

action? Marcia>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: <no subject>

From: "Marie Bell" <marieb@estipro.com>

Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:12:40 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from "Marie Bell" <marieb@estipro.com>:



Been off playing and haven't kept up with list activities. Now Im

back and anxious to listen to the latest on herb remedies. In

the past, I've received a lot of good advice from the people

on this list. I don't recall any postings on tinnitus. I have a

good friend who is really suffering with this. Any help out

there??

Marie





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: <no subject>

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:37:47 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>:







On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:12:40 -0700 "Marie Bell" <marieb@estipro.com>

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Marie Bell" <marieb@estipro.com>:

>

 I don't recall any postings on tinnitus. I have a good friend who is

really suffering with this. >Marie

>Mentions of Gingko Biloba suggest further reading.  Mention of

homeopathic pulsatilla in one of my health letters is something else to

read about.   Mary Conley's recent letter is detailed and interesting. 

Good luck, good health and good caution, Marcia

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: <no subject>

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:22:29 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:



. I don't recall any postings on tinnitus. I have a

>good friend who is really suffering with this. Any help out

>there??

>Marie





There has been a lot of tinnitus info posted recently. (in the last 2

weeks).  



I myself started experiencing periodic ringing in my ears recently.  I

followed Michael Tierra's advice from Planetary Herbalogy.

I took powdered aloe leaf.  It is the powdered leaf that works most for

this and also as a laxative.  My husband appreciated the laxative

properties.  He had been using the aloe gel for that and it is not as

powerful as the leaf.  Anyway I used the leaf twice and have had no

recurrence of the ringing so far.



Julie Calhoun Stallings

Herbal Student





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: GSE for water purification

From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@thc-tsg.com>

Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:24:11 -0600 (MDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@thc-tsg.com>:



> From: brtaylor@telebyte.net (Bob and Rusty Taylor)

> 

> Interesting... thank you for sharing about the grape seed extract for

> water purification.  BTW, where did you get the GSE?



I have bought  the Grapefruit Seed Extract in the form of "Tavelers Friend" 

(nci) at two different health food stores / organic markets.



Ron Tay is right. Make sure you get Grapefruit seed extract, not grape 

seed extract.  Big difference.



Gerald W McClurg/ Director/ Technical Services Group







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: tinnitus

From: "Marie Bell" <marieb@estipro.com>

Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:34:42 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Marie Bell" <marieb@estipro.com>:



>I don't recall any postings on tinnitus. I have a

>good friend who is really suffering with this. Any help out

>there??

>Marie



----------

>From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

>To: herb@MyList.net

>Subject: Re: <no subject>

>Date: Sun, Apr 25, 1999, 10:22 AM

>



> There has been a lot of tinnitus info posted recently. (in the last 2

> weeks).



Go away for 2 weeks and miss all the good stuff plus have to be retrained

on email. Ive now got a subject, sorry about that.

Anyway, thank you. My friend is willing to try anything at this point.

He's being open to all ideas.

Marie 





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To: "H.Herb" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Chapparell

From: "jfoster" <jfoster1@cableone.net>

Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:46:37 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "jfoster" <jfoster1@cableone.net>:



Was talking last night with some friends and chapparell came into the

conversation. I meet a guy a couple of years ago that had done something

called the chapparell cleanse. Someone wrote a book about it. It was roughly

something like drinking 3 cups of chapparell tea a day for something like 21

days. That is about all I remember. Anyone got any info on this. The

conversation made me curious.

Thanks   John     jfoster1@cableone.net











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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: night time leg cramps

From: "Denise Taylor" <denise.taylor@virgin.net>

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:10:56 +0100

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Denise Taylor" <denise.taylor@virgin.net>:



Help

for the past couple of nights I have woken up with bad cramps in one leg - I

used to get this in the past but it would go after a few seconds.  Now it is

a dreadfully sharp pain that has been screaming - managing to stand up

helped, but that was very difficult. a friend of mine said I may be

deficient in a mineral (or two).



Can anyone help?



Denise Taylor







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: night time leg cramps

From: october moon <oct-moon@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:18:15 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from october moon <oct-moon@juno.com>:



Try calcium & magnesium, and adaquate exercise, and when it happens pull

your toes up toward your leg, (kind of counterpressure)

On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:10:56 +0100 "Denise Taylor"

<denise.taylor@virgin.net> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Denise Taylor" <denise.taylor@virgin.net>:

>

>Help

>for the past couple of nights I have woken up with bad cramps in one 

>leg - I

>used to get this in the past but it would go after a few seconds.  Now 

>it is

>a dreadfully sharp pain that has been screaming - managing to stand up

>helped, but that was very difficult. a friend of mine said I may be

>deficient in a mineral (or two).

>

>Can anyone help?

>

>Denise Taylor

>

>



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Subject: Re: night time leg cramps

From: "Veress" <kveress@freenet.npiec.on.ca>

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:33:01 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Veress" <kveress@freenet.npiec.on.ca>:



Try drinking a tall glass of water before you go to sleep.



Margot

http://www.npiec.on.ca/~kveress



> 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: night time leg cramps

From: Jennifer Kiliszewski <j_iris@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:36:34 -0400

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Calcium ended my leg cramps, available inexpensively in the form of Tums

(nci)

Jenny Iris



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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: night time leg cramps

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:04:15 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>Calcium ended my leg cramps, available inexpensively in the form of Tums

>(nci)



This is probably the WORST form of calcium you can take.  It is only 25%

assimilable and is often responsible for the formation of kidney stones.  A

word about calcium.  It has excellent anti-spasmodic properties.  When I

was bitten by a Black Widow and was suffering severe muscle spasms, I was

given an injection of calcium to stop the spasms and neutralize the

poisons.  It worked almost instantaneously.  Calcium should be taken with

magnesium and vitamin E for maximum absorption.  In the form of chelate or

a colloidal liquid it is much better assimilated.  Leg cramps may indicate

poor circulation.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: night time leg cramps

From: Kirk T Norby <kirkt@selway.umt.edu>

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:23:31 -0600 (MDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Kirk T Norby <kirkt@selway.umt.edu>:



On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Anita Hales wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:

> 

> 

> >Calcium ended my leg cramps, available inexpensively in the form of Tums

> >(nci)

> 

> This is probably the WORST form of calcium you can take.  It is only 25%

> assimilable and is often responsible for the formation of kidney stones.  A

> word about calcium.  It has excellent anti-spasmodic properties.  When I

> was bitten by a Black Widow and was suffering severe muscle spasms, I was

> given an injection of calcium to stop the spasms and neutralize the

> poisons.  It worked almost instantaneously.  Calcium should be taken with

> magnesium and vitamin E for maximum absorption.  In the form of chelate or



Anita:

I agree with what you've said about the variety of calcium and the

magnesium both being important, however, it's always been my understanding

that vitamin *D* is necessary for the abosorption of calcium.  Am I

missing something?



Kirk

> a colloidal liquid it is much better assimilated.  Leg cramps may indicate

> poor circulation.

> 







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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: night time leg cramps

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:23:19 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>I agree with what you've said about the variety of calcium and the

>magnesium both being important, however, it's always been my understanding

>that vitamin *D* is necessary for the abosorption of calcium.  Am I

>missing something?

You're right.   I got my wires crossed.  I guess I shouldn't e-mail before

work.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: night time leg cramps

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:42:25 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/26/99 1:32:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

denise.taylor@virgin.net writes:



<< for the past couple of nights I have woken up with bad cramps in one leg - 

I

 used to get this in the past but it would go after a few seconds.  Now it is

 a dreadfully sharp pain that has been screaming - managing to stand up

 helped, but that was very difficult. a friend of mine said I may be

 deficient in a mineral (or two).

 

 Can anyone help?

  >>

 



Denise - try a calcium magnesium citrate supplement - there are herbs that 

will supply these, but if you are that deficient at a cellular level as to 

cause cramping you would have to tie the alfalfa/nettle bag to your head and 

munch all day long to get the stuff back into your system at a cellular level 

and in sufficient quantities.  You might also want to consider trying to find 

out what it is that is leaching the minerals out of your system in the first 

place - there IS something and until you deal with that, supplements will 

only keep the levels up for the time you continue them - you will not rebuild 

the cellular mineral levels your body needs to function properly.

Peter









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: night time leg cramps

From: awilloby@enternet.co.nz

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:04:29 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from awilloby@enternet.co.nz:



Peter wrote:



  You might also want to consider trying to find 

> out what it is that is leaching the minerals out of your system in the first 

> place - there IS something and until you deal with that, supplements will 

> only keep the levels up for the time you continue them - you will not rebuild 

> the cellular mineral levels your body needs to function properly.



My wife also gets severe muscle spasms in her legs at night in bed 

(nearly kicks me out sometimes!).  She is taking calcium and 

magnesium chelate tabs which seem to fix the problem - although 

she often has to get up to take more if she starts spasming.



So I am interested in your comment above.



How should we go about finding out what is leaching the minerals 

from her body?  What types of things do this?



TIA



Alan

Alan Willoughby

PO Box 296, Tauranga, New Zealand

Phone/fax 64 7 5443087





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: night time leg cramps

From: KaiforChi@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:38:54 EDT

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Sorry, I deleted the original post, but here's some additional info to 

alleviate leg cramps:



Eat high potassium foods such as bananas. 



HTH,

kai





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Subject: night time leg cramps

From: Hideen@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:11:38 EDT

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Help

for the past couple of nights I have woken up with bad cramps in one leg - I

used to get this in the past but it would go after a few seconds.  Now it is

a dreadfully sharp pain that has been screaming - managing to stand up

helped, but that was very difficult. a friend of mine said I may be

deficient in a mineral (or two).



Can anyone help?



Denise,

Low potassium will cause your legs to cramp at night( I have the same 

problem). Usually eating bananas regularly will help.

Adrianne





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Subject: Re: night time leg cramps

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:20:13 EDT

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In a message dated 4/27/99 6:04:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

awilloby@enternet.co.nz writes:



<< How should we go about finding out what is leaching the minerals  >>

Alan,



Two possibilities -  elemental Hair analysis or 24 hour provocative urine 

analysis will give you levels of cellular minerals (16)  and of toxic metals 

(13) which are a good indicator of what is in the system.  I use the Great 

Smokies Diagnostic Lab in North Carolina (nci) which has taken testing to 

some pretty interesting places but if you can find another that does a good 

job, go with it.  You will need an MD or ND or Chiropractor or similarly 

licensed "professional to get the testing done because they don't "trade" 

with the general public.  

peter.





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Subject: Deadness in Hand

From: "Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@larc.nasa.gov>

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:37:55 -0400

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Hi Everyone;

	Recently, I have been waking up from my sleep with my right hand

feeling stiff, aching, and feeling like there's no blood circulating. 

I must say that

on my job I work at the computer at least 3-4 hours a day, and I also I have

a hobby; beading. I realize I might have "Copperal Tunnel Syndrome", 

(excuse the spelling)

but I want to know if there is any one out there that might know of 

any herbs that

can help me with this. I really don't want surgery.



Good Health and Blessings,

Michelle





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Subject: Re: Deadness in Hand

From: "Mike & Linda Shipley" <n5wuh@ionet.net>

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:41:51 -0500

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B6 vitamins will help. I am a massage therapist and have used this with good

results.







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Subject: Re: Deadness in Hand

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:15:56 -0400

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Carpral tunnel syndrome and its similar conditions can respond to

manipulative therapies, especially those which affect the shoulder girdle

and how you hold it.  Chiropractors or osteopaths may adjust the bones in

the wrist so that bones do not squeeze the nerve.  CTS appears to be more

prevalent in women after childbirth according to my acupuncturist- which

I had noticed.  Although having a child may present new physical stresses

(stroller handles, holding the baby in nursing position, etc). the new

motions tend not to be as repetitive as one might expect for CTS.  St.

John's wort tincture and oil and oatstraw infusion can be a great help. 

Sleep with a pillow strategically placed by your chest and arm so you

don't impair the circulation in your wrist by lying on it. Sleeping with

a wrist brace can help.

  

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:37:55 -0400 "Michelle I. Cook"

<m.i.cook@larc.nasa.gov> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@larc.nasa.gov>:

>

>Hi Everyone;

>	Recently, I have been waking up from my sleep with my right 

>hand

>feeling stiff, aching, and feeling like there's no blood circulating. 

>I must say that

>on my job I work at the computer at least 3-4 hours a day, and I also 

>I have

>a hobby; beading. I realize I might have "Copperal Tunnel Syndrome", 

>(excuse the spelling)

>but I want to know if there is any one out there that might know of 

>any herbs that

>can help me with this. I really don't want surgery.

>

>Good Health and Blessings,

>Michelle

>



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Subject: Re: Deadness in Hand

From: MLCherbs@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:02:02 EDT

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I have CTS....i have found tremendous relief with the use of magnets tucked 

into my support gloves.  I also do a lot of finger stretches and hand 

massage.  These few simply efforts have made a big difference in the use of 

my hands.  I know many people who have had the surgery and after a few years 

need to have the surgery again because adhesions have caused as many problems 

as the CTS. 



Good luck - and good health!



MLC





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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Deadness in Hand

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:50:18 -0400

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>Hi Everyone;

>Recently, I have been waking up from my sleep with my right hand

>feeling stiff, aching, and feeling like there's no blood circulating.

>I must say that

>on my job I work at the computer at least 3-4 hours a day, and I also I

have

>a hobby; beading. I realize I might have "Copperal Tunnel Syndrome",

>(excuse the spelling)

>but I want to know if there is any one out there that might know of

>any herbs that

>can help me with this. I really don't want surgery.



>Good Health and Blessings,

>Michelle



Michelle,



I find the best approach is to counteract the cause - repetitive motion.

Use one of those hand exercise balls you can get in golf stores.  Also take

frequent mini breaks at work, where you flex the wrist and turn it from side

to side.  The exercise may hurt at first, but within several days you will

be well on the way to working out the soreness.



You can, of course, use Arnica, St. John's Wort oil, or the Mullein compress

topically, to ease the discomfort.  Taking anti-inflammatories internally

will help also.  That would include things like Quercitin with Bromelain,

Vitamin C, Tumeric, Licorice Root, ect.



Marie

marie.winston@worldnet.att.net









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Subject: Dandelion Wine Question

From: Hideen@aol.com

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:48:30 EDT

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Hi 

I am having trouble making my dandelion wine.  the recipe I have said to pour 

boiling water over the dandelions and the other ingredients such as lemon and 

oranges, cover and let steep for 10 days befor adding the sugar. Well 

yesterday made day three and I took a peek into the crock to see mold forming 

on the top (yuck!!). My questions are: Has anyone have any experience making 

Dandelion wine ? Can you tell me why I got mold?

I do have another recipe that is simular, but it calls for ginger root, and I 

didn't have any on hand to throw in, anyway it says to let steep for three 

days. Could the problem be the length of steeping time?

Any help will be appriciated!

Thanks,

Adrianne

(frustrated first time herbal wine maker!)







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Subject: Re: Dandelion Wine Question

From: snielsen@OREDNET.ORG (Susan L. Nielsen)

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:04:17 -0700 (PDT)

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Adrianne writes:



>I am having trouble making my dandelion wine.  the recipe I have said to pour 

>boiling water over the dandelions and the other ingredients such as lemon and 

>oranges, cover and let steep for 10 days befor adding the sugar. 



Seems a peculiar recipe to me. 10 days, and no yeast, and no sugars

(other than the fairly spare amounts in the fermenting materials

themselves)... sounds like a recipe for mold to me. It is the sugar

which converts to alcohol during fermentation, and it is the yeast

organisms that do the work. Unless you are working in a room which

is already well-innoculated with yeasts, it is unlikely you would

get the right ones from the environment.



Check out dejanews.com, using a power search on dandelion wine,

and I bet you'll get ga-zillions of hits.



Susan



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Subject: Re: Dandelion Wine Question

From: sroberts@expression.org (Shirley E. Roberts)

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:34:01 -0400

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herb@MyList.net writes:

> the recipe I have said to pour boiling water over the dandelions and the

>other ingredients such as lemon and 

>oranges, cover and let steep for 10 days befor adding the sugar



	Hello,  Hideen@aol.com



	I have learned from experience to pour the boiling water over the

blossoms, and add the sugar immediately.  Stir to dissolve.   Let the

crock cool until the contents are blood warm - you know - like testing the

baby's bottle on your wrist - and then add the yeast right away.  Cover

your crock, loosely, with a towel, and stir every day.



	One of my recipes said to let the blossoms and sugar work in the crock

for three days before adding the yeast, but it would pick up a funky

taste,  and smell like old tennis shoes,  probably from wild, airborne

yeasts that got a foothold.  Better to inoculate it with your own yeast,

to my mind, or you may wind up with vinegar.



	

			-Shirley





          We all declare for liberty, but in using the same word we do

not all mean the same thing.                 

          With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he

pleases with himself and                

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mean for some men as they            

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Subject: Re: Dandelion Wine Question

From: Kevin Chisholm <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:42:24 -0600 (MDT)

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Dear Hideen



Hideen@aol.com wrote:

> Hi

> I am having trouble making my dandelion wine.  the recipe I have said to pour

> boiling water over the dandelions and the other ingredients such as lemon and

> oranges, cover and let steep for 10 days befor adding the sugar. Well

> yesterday made day three and I took a peek into the crock to see mold forming

> on the top (yuck!!). My questions are: Has anyone have any experience making

> Dandelion wine ? Can you tell me why I got mold?



10 days is far too long to let it steep Simply bring the mixture to a boil, and

when cooled to room temperature, strain into your primary fermentator. The mold

is caused by all the "good guys" festering, because of wild yeasts and molds.



If this is a "Country Wine" recipe, usually they recommend far too much sugar,

and the wine takes about 1 year before it settles adequately and is drinkable.

Use a hydrometer, and add sufficient sugar to yield a finished alcohol content

of

11-12 % A wine with this alcohol level is reasonably drinkable after a month,

and

quite good after 6.



Kindest regards,



Kevin Chisholm







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Subject: Re: Dandelion Wine Question

From: RCaspary@aol.com

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:25:52 EDT

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In a message dated 4/26/99 10:06:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Hideen@AOL.COM 

writes:



<< Has anyone have any experience making Dandelion wine ? >>



Here's a recipe for Dandelion Wine that I have used.

Yield:  1 gallon

Ingredients:

1 quart dandelion blossoms, remove stems

4 quarts water

1 package white wine yeast

6 cups sugar

1 pound seedless raisins

1 lemon, sliced

1 orange, sliced



Directions:

Place the blossoms and water in a pot and boil for 30 minutes.  Strain 

mixture through straining bag into fermenter (plastic container).  Add sugar, 

raisins, lemons, and oranges into straining bag and stir until the sugar is 

dissolved.  Let stand for 24 hours.  Add yeast (following package 

instructions).  Stir every day.  Within 2 to 3 days ferment should start and 

bubbler should bubble. Let ferment for about two weeks or until bubbler stops 

completely.  Siphon into carboy (glass jar).  Reattach bubbler.  Let sediment 

settle, then bottle.



Good luck...

Rose Caspary







 I do have another recipe that is simular, but it calls for ginger root, and 

I 

 didn't have any on hand to throw in, anyway it says to let steep for three 

 days. Could the problem be the length of steeping time?

 Any help will be appriciated!

 Thanks,

 Adrianne >>







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Subject: Re: Dandelion Wine Question

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:45:23 -0400

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Is it green mold or brown yeast?  Yeast can look pretty funky.  I

remember making a wine one summer out on a porch- the must picked up some

wild yeast and threw off tons of brown yeast residue, which dripped to

the garden shed below, and was a pain to clean up.  The wine was

suprisingly fairly decent.



Add the sugar and yeast at once.  At least your own yeast will have a

chance to get established before any wild yeasts dol  



If it is mold, I'd try again.  It could have come on the citrus rinds-

wash them first and throw out any with soft spots. And be careful with

the dandelions- any bit of green will add a bitter taste- not bad if you

are into bitters, but, uh,  unexpected in a flower wine.



If you aren't using a fermentation lock, put an uninflated balloon over

the neck of the fermentation vessle.  I prefer to use bottles for

fermentation- demijohns, water cooler bottles or  even gallon wine

bottles because I can exclude the wild yeasts and vinegar cultures

better.  



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:48:30 EDT Hideen@aol.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Hideen@aol.com:

>

>Hi 

>I am having trouble making my dandelion wine.  the recipe I have said to

pour 

>boiling water over the dandelions and the other ingredients such as

lemon and 

>oranges, cover and let steep for 10 days befor adding the sugar. Well 

>yesterday made day three and I took a peek into the crock to see mold

forming 

>on the top (yuck!!). My questions are: Has anyone have any experience 

>making Dandelion wine ? Can you tell me why I got mold?



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Subject: Re: Dandelion Wine Question

From: Wjp1816@aol.com

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:25:50 EDT

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Hi Adrianne,



From my experience when making dandelion wine you use ONLY the blossoms, 

being sure to remove ALL green parts.  When I made dandelion wine the first 

batch contained just a couple of green blossom covers,  boy what a disaster.  

The wine was bitter and had an off taste.  The nest batch was made with extra 

deliberation and all the green material was removed.  This batch was a 

success.  Dandelion wine is a very potent substance far removed from any wine 

that you may have had in the past.  It's like scotch.  It takes a couple of 

glasses before one acquires the taste for such a product.



Good luck,



If you are an admirer of the lowly dandelion you would appreciate the book --



	The Dandelion Celebration by Peter Gail



published by Goosefoot Acres Press

				P.O. Box 18016

				Cleveland, OH 44118-0016

					Phone  216-932-2145



Peter has a web site but at the present time I can't locate it.  I will find 

it and

send it to the list.



Bill Pizer



Bill Pizer





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: ULCERATIVE COLITIS

From: Jennifer Kiliszewski <j_iris@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:59:41 -0400

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Spring Greetings 

	I have recently been diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis.  Does

anyone have experience with treating this condition and the associated

imflammation and bleeding of the bowel?  

	I'm getting reat results with pharmaceutical, but want to get

beyond pailliative treatment and heal with herbs.

Thank you   Jenny Iris



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Subject: Re: ULCERATIVE COLITIS

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:32:53 EDT

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In a message dated 4/26/99 10:03:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, j_iris@juno.com 

writes:



<< I have recently been diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis.  Does

 anyone have experience with treating this condition and the associated

 inflammation and bleeding of the bowel?  

 	I'm getting reat results with pharmaceutical, but want to get

 beyond pailliative treatment and heal with herbs.

 Thank you   Jenny Iris >>



Jenny,



So sorry to hear of your diagnosis.  Nasty stuff, UC,  and it can get a whole 

lot worse if not dealt with in a manner other than symptomatically.  Crohn's 

often starts as UC that goes without treatment or something that is treated 

inappropriately.  Since you didn't mention what the allos have you on, its 

sort of difficult to make a comment on whether their form of crisis 

management is at least providing some benefit.  I hope it is. !!



On what to do about it, the choices are quite numerous, but first you sort of 

have to find out what is at the root of the problem.  I'm sure that by now 

you know that your body didn't just decide that it was time to give you a 

hard time and chose this rout to do it.  There IS something happening in your 

digestive tract that may or may not have its origin in the colon.  More often 

than not the problem is not a singular problem, but the final breakdown of a 

number of lesser problems that are now causing the problem.  Possible 

problems - alone or in combination are 

Candida Albicans or similar buggies overcolonizing the large intestine -  

brought on by too much goldenseal (not taking a break every 7-10 days when 

trying to kill an infection) or too many trips to the allo where antibiotics 

are prescribed. 

Gluten intolerance and acute sensitivity - built up over time - Lactose 

Intolerance and acute sensitivity - also developed over time, - other food 

allergies -  bad diet -   stress - over exhaustion - bacterial infection  - 

parasites.  Or any combination of the above which often makes a real brain 

teaser for the person trying to help you treat yourself.  



My approach with Ulcerative Colitis is to take the shotgun out and see if we 

can hit the barn door with buckshot.  Then once you have the problem under 

control, back off on one item at a time for a week or so and see if thing 

continue being good or get worse, and act accordingly.



In no particular order I would suggest all of the following.



GSE in capsule form 4 a day for 15 days or longer.  Since I "discovered" this 

stuff for myself some time back, I find more and more uses for it.  It really 

does a good job of killing off all sorts of "unfriendly" critters in your 

entire digestive tract from the stomach all the way through to the colon.  

Since you didn't mention whether you had been taking antibiotics or had been 

visited by the candida scourge over the past year or so, I would normally 

ask, but chances are, with what is going on in the large intestine, you have 

at least a mild overcolonization which could get worse making the UC get 

correspondingly worse.  Along with the GSE I am now suggesting to folks that 

they also use a high allicin and high alliin garlic. Kyolic (yellow label) 

and Solgar (certified organic garlic - 500 mg/capsule) (NCI) both make a good 

product that I have used.  Like the GSE, garlic is also a great natural  

antibiotic that also promotes healing in the colon.  In addition, I would 

take a good papaya or pineapple based bromelain extract and/or non herbal 

pancreatin which are digestive enzymes that will both help break down the 

stuff in the intestinal tract and get you the nutrients you need that are 

probably not getting to where they should because of the UC.  Also a high 

dose multi -dophilus to help restore the good flora in your system and help 

with the digestive process.  Some folks like to try a colon cleanse with 

psyllium and this, in my experience can be either good or bad depending ont 

he underlying problem.  I would suggest it, but wait till after you have 

started the others stuff or do it before you start just to see what effect it 

is going to have.  Lastly, a combination "cocktail" of spirulina and alfalfa 

powder mixed with a glass of pineapple juice - trust me - it grows on you - 

If you can handle it and can find it inexpensively around you - some aloe 

juice in the mix will also help a bunch



Now what to eliminate - EVERYTHING at first - treat this as a candida 

elimination diet.  no diary - yes - cheese is dairy- (someone recently asked 

if it was) no red meat - no fermented stuff except live cultured yogurt - no 

yeast breads - nada - no bagels - no donuts no fast food - no citrus -  no 

soda - diet or otherwise - no carbonated anything - no beer - wine - etc.  

Then add back slowly one thing at a time and see if you react to anything - 

remembering that it takes 24-36 hours for stuff to go from your mouth to your 

colon - so keep a diary of EVERYTHING you eat - get a juicer if you don't 

have one and drink at least 4 ounces of carrot juice a day with fresh parsley 

thrown in as a garnish and for its good properties - drink the carrot juice 

(organic carrots) within 10 minutes of juicing - don't make enough for the 

"next" glass.  and take some slippery elm bark - 2 ea -500 mg caps - make 

them yourself - with a glass of water every 3-4 hours that you are awake - 



The bleeding could go away in a short time but depending on what you have 

already done down there it may take some time to really heal the whole thing 

completely.



I hope this helps a little - keep in touch 

Peter 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ULCERATIVE COLITIS

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:18:12 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:32:53 EDT, NEHrbSup@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>"next" glass.  and take some slippery elm bark - 2 ea -500 mg caps - make 

>them yourself - with a glass of water every 3-4 hours that you are awake - 



I wouldn't recommend capsules of the mucilaginous herbs, like slippery elm,

psyllium seed, or flax seed. They need water, and if you don't have it available

when the capsule dissolves they'll take it wherever they can. When they do, if

there isn't too much moisture around, they might make a plug right where you

didn't want it. 

It's better to give these herbs a chance to develop their mucus outside your

alimentary system. To do that: put a tablespoonful into a glass of water, let

sit overnight (slippery elm) or at least 20 minutes (psyllium, flax seed),

drink. You'll be able to down it herb and all (even slippery elm, if it was

powdered). Cut and sifted slippery elm, or whole slippery elm, is a bit more

difficult, so drink what you can and suck the rest.



If you -have- to do capsules: try just a couple drops of a good peppermint oil

mixed into a fatty powder, like cornmeal or oatmeal; two to three capsules of

that a day helps a lot in colitis and suchlike.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: ULCERATIVE COLITIS

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:16:30 -0400

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There is also an intestinal health mailing list ... go to:

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Subject: Re: ULCERATIVE COLITIS

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:11:35 EDT

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In a message dated 4/27/99 5:26:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

hetta@saunalahti.fi writes:



<< I wouldn't recommend capsules of the mucilaginous herbs, like slippery elm,

 psyllium seed, or flax seed. They need water, and if you don't have it 

available

 when the capsule dissolves they'll take it wherever they can. When they do, 

if

 there isn't too much moisture around, they might make a plug right where you

 didn't want it. 

 It's better to give these herbs a chance to develop their mucus outside your

 alimentary system. To do that: put a tablespoonful into a glass of water, let

 sit overnight (slippery elm) or at least 20 minutes (psyllium, flax seed),

 drink. You'll be able to down it herb and all (even slippery elm, if it was

 powdered).  >>



Yessss - Buuuut  .........  though I don't disagree with you in concept 

Henriette,  the vast majority of folks that I know, self included, would have 

an extremely hard time downing the slippery elm after it sits for even 10 

minutes because of its slimy slippery gelatinous mucilaginous consistency - 

it is definitely an acquired taste. which is why I said to take with a glass 

of water.  perhaps the "happy medium" is to suggest drinking another full 

glass of water an hour after taking the caps.  Try it both ways.  I have had 

a number of folks take the stuff for similar problems and to date none have, 

at least knowingly, come up with a block in the digestive tract.

Response??

peter 







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ULCERATIVE COLITIS

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:11:55 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:11:35 EDT, NEHrbSup@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>Yessss - Buuuut  .........  though I don't disagree with you in concept 

>Henriette,  the vast majority of folks that I know, self included, would have 

>an extremely hard time downing the slippery elm after it sits for even 10 

>minutes because of its slimy slippery gelatinous mucilaginous consistency - 



Then they should do the frog eggs instead. That's flax seeds after 20 minutes in

a glass with water. No problem, same effect, no risk.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: ULCERATIVE COLITIS

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:29:28 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



Didn't I read that Slippery Elm is getting to be quite rare in the wild?

If this is true, then perhaps those who have not acquired the taste (I used

to like it) for it should use something else?

Joanie





>Henriette,  the vast majority of folks that I know, self included, would

have

>an extremely hard time downing the slippery elm after it sits for even 10

>minutes because of its slimy slippery gelatinous mucilaginous consistency -

>it is definitely an acquired taste.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ULCERATIVE COLITIS

From: Astralg8@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:39:58 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Astralg8@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/27/99 9:21:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

hetta@saunalahti.fi writes:



<< Then they should do the frog eggs instead. That's flax seeds after 20 

minutes in

 a glass with water. No problem, same effect, no risk.

  >>

I give up - you win - but drinking frogs eggs doesn't appeal much either. 

While you and I may "enjoy" the diversity of flavor and consistency that the 

weeds and even be able to articulate that why someone "should" do something, 

experience is that there are many more folks than not that have objections to 

such "diversity" and hence will not take their medicine.

cheers

peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ULCERATIVE COLITIS

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:47:09 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:



Peter wrote:



>I am now suggesting to folks that 

>they also use a high allicin and high alliin garlic. Kyolic (yellow label) 

>and Solgar (certified organic garlic - 500 mg/capsule) (NCI) both make a

good 

>product that I have used.  Like the GSE, garlic is also a great natural  

>antibiotic that also promotes healing in the colon.  



I was taught that only fresh garlic had antibiotic type properties???  Is

that not true?  



Julie Calhoun Stallings

Herbal Student





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ULCERATIVE COLITIS

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:11:16 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/27/99 1:48:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu writes:



<< I was taught that only fresh garlic had antibiotic type properties???  Is

 that not true?  

  >>



Yes, clinically it has been proven that is not true - it may be that fresh is 

better - which is generally the case, but the prepared extracts are also very 

effective and the "concentrated" extracts of garlic are one of the areas 

where I waffle on my generally vehement opposition to "standardized" herbs.  

The other benefit to the dried preparations are that they have generally been 

"deodorized" with parsley or something else and you can actually go out in 

public without worrying about everyone walking on the other side of the 

street which would not be the case if you were eating an equivalent amount of 

fresh bulb.  The thing to look for is something with high levels of allicin 

and alliin.    

peter





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: gse

From: "Tracie Reiser" <reiser.14@osu.edu>

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:42:41 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Tracie Reiser" <reiser.14@osu.edu>:



	  Hello everyone, 



  I am new to this list and just wanted to say hi! 



  Also, I have a few questions on the grape fruit seed extract.  I have

noticed the amounts of water to gse, but is there a peirod of time needed

for purifacation?  I also was wundering if the gse should be taken with

each intake of water, or if a dose or two a day while on vacation would be

fine?  



  Thanks for your time, and take care. 



  Tracie 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: gse

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:37:32 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/26/99 10:49:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

reiser.14@osu.edu writes:



<< I have

 noticed the amounts of water to GSE, but is there a period of time needed

 for purification?  I also was wondering if the GSE should be taken with

 each intake of water, or if a dose or two a day while on vacation would be

 fine?   >>



Tracie - bring along a bottle - quart- gallon - whatever - and put the drops 

in there - and drink from that - a dose or two will not work if you are 

drinking 5-6drinks from unknown sources all day long  - don't make the 

mistake lots of people do and drink only mixed drinks at the bar - the ice is 

NOT treated and is just as bad as tap water. - the period is a half  hour or 

so for  a gallon - 5 minutes for a glass - just to be on the safe side

Peter.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: Goody <goody2shz@yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:20:25 -0700 (PDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Goody <goody2shz@yahoo.com>:



This has probably been talked about to death, but can

anyone give me a quick answer on what is the

therapeutic dosage of St. John's Wort for depression? 

My caps are 300 mg. standardized to contain .15%

Hypericin.  Thank you!



Goody

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:51:53 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/26/99 6:20:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

goody2shz@yahoo.com writes:



<< My caps are 300 mg. standardized to contain .15%

 Hypericin.  Thank you! >>



Go to a good herbalist and buy an "extract" or tincture and take 50-75  drops 

three time a day for the first 10 days then drop by 5 drops a week to about 

30- 35 X 3 - play with the final adjustment till you keep the 'bright sky" 

feeling. Some folks use 60 drops X 3 all the time just to get to that "place" 

so don't be afraid to see what makes you feel good.  Do know that the change 

is not that pronounced as you are "going up" but if you stop for a couple of 

days you can see the difference much easier.   I will not go into the 

'standardized" vs.''whole herb'' argument - but the extracts work much better 

than the capsules - even though I sell both, I always recommend the extract. 

Peter   





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To: "H.Herb" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Please no spanking

From: "jfoster" <jfoster1@cableone.net>

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:23:03 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "jfoster" <jfoster1@cableone.net>:



I hope the list mom does not get me on this one.I have just been doing some

thinking on my own, we all know how dangerous that could be. I posted a

message on my father getting cellulitis a few weeks ago. It is better than

it was but he still has it. His leg is not nearly as red but the swelling

gets pretty severe by the end of the day. Goes down some at night. I have

been juicing carrots and putting fresh garlic in it. Reasoning being that

garlic gets gram negative and gram pos. bacteria and supposed to kill the

specific bacteria. He is a diabetic and elderly and has the problem with

poor circulation that comes with that at times. The doctor just wants to

continue the antibiotics indefinately until it goes away. There are times I

think anti-biotics are useful and helpful, but I just hate the idea of being

on them long term. I think they have a time but most of the time I would

venture to say when it is a life threating illness and they are taken by

I.V.  So I guess the problem here is getting whatever down to the foot for

it to work. I have tried fomentations, soaking the foot. Herbs that

stimulate circulation, salt scrubs.Here is where I hope I do not get

spanked. I remember a while back people were talking about DMSO. I think it

is a by-product of the lumber industry, so that is a herb, that is my

loophole.If I remember correctly it was absorbed into the skin really fast.

I was thinking if I could mix something with it and rub it on the foot and

lower part of the leg it would take it through the skin and maybe could kill

the bacteria that way. What I am asking is this. What is the down side of

DMSO. Is it hard on the kidneys, liver or what. I never heard anything

negative about it and I know there has to be something. That is what I am

looking for. It might not be a good idea, that is why I am posting this so

some of you folks much more knowledgable than me can educate. Hope it being

a byproduct of the wood industry classify's it as a herb listmom, if so you

can put up your paddle.

Thanks   John     jfoster1@cableone.net











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Please no spanking

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:07:46 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/26/99 7:28:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

jfoster1@cableone.net writes:



<< The doctor just wants to

 continue the antibiotics indefinitely until it goes away. There are times I

 think antibiotics are useful and helpful, but I just hate the idea of being

 on them long term. I think they have a time but most of the time I would

 venture to say when it is a life threating illness and they are taken by

 I.V.  S >>



John,

Two things to try - Kloss Liniment - properly prepared - but NOT with rubbing 

alcohol find someone locally that makes it with grain and not isopropyl 

alcohol - the more I read about that stuff the more I wonder why it is 

permitted on the shelves.  The grain kind of Kloss is considerably more 

expensive (alcohol costs 45 cents vs. 15 dollars a liter) but given its 

effectiveness, and the peace of mind for not poisoning someone, I think its 

worth it. Anyway rub some on the entire leg three or 4 times a day and let it 

do its stuff - Also - try GSE - caps internally and a spray externally as 

well - NOTHING will live and the problem will slowly disappear.  When it 

works - say thank you to Jethro - he is listening!



On the antibiotics, and particularly if he has been taking them for any 

period, you MUST supplement with a Multidophilus to restore the intestinal 

health - particularly with the elderly, their systems are prone to easy 

imbalance and lots of antibiotics are real bad - this could in fact be a 

large part of the problem to begin with  - consider the connection! 

Hope this helps.

peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Please no spanking

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:37:59 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



At 06:23 PM 4/26/99 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "jfoster" <jfoster1@cableone.net>:



If I remember correctly it was absorbed into the skin really fast.

>I was thinking if I could mix something with it and rub it on the foot and

>lower part of the leg it would take it through the skin and maybe could kill

>the bacteria that way. What I am asking is this. What is the down side of

>DMSO. Is it hard on the kidneys, liver or what. I never heard anything

>negative about it and I know there has to be something. 

>Thanks   John     jfoster1@cableone.net

>

Hello John,



Your instincts to find something that can get to the problem are correct.

When circulation is poor, it is very hard to send treatment to tissues.

However, this is a sytemic, not a localized problem.  Cellulitis can be

deadly.  Too much mechanical stimulation through massage and fomentations

can spread the toxins throughout tissues, so it is difficult to approach.

The suggestions you received offered some gentle, supportive internal help

as I recall.  Pungent cooling herbs diffuse well, especially if digestion

is improved, so given with food they may be better absorbed.  Burdock root,

mint, turmeric (more warming but anti-toxin and anti-inflammatory effect),

dandelion (a bitter, not pungent) can be added to steamed rice or other

easily digested dishes to support the antibiotic if that is to be

continued.  A pinch of saffron (very small amount) on food or in warm milk

sweetened with honey may help to carry medicinal effects to the tissues.

Good luck.



Aliceann

ayurveda@mint.net



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>

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Please no spanking

From: Momcat3397@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:01:55 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Momcat3397@aol.com:



John,



You are correct in that DMSO will penetrate the skin and carry with it 

anything 

you have mixed with it. The downside of DMSO is the problem of purity. 

Because the government frowns on the medicinal application of the substance,

it is difficult to obtain pharmaceutical grade rather than industrial grade 

material.

Due to the extraordinary effectiveness of DMSO as a vehicle it carries those

impurities into the body.  



In my experience, fresh aloe gel works just as effectively as a vehicle and 

its

antiinflammatory properties are at least as good. I would try this or the 

Kloss

liniment previously mentioned (if you can find it). 



Hope this helps,

Barbara Honors, Ethnobotanist/Herbalist

Momcat3397@aol.com

 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: John's question

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:41:51 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



If you decide to use it, mix with avocado oil to about 10% strength, and

be careful that there is nothing on his skin or yours that shouldn't be

carried into the body.  I suspect that the problems for the liver and

lymph come primarily from impurities and things being carried into the

body when it shouldn't be.  DMSO is such a powerful free radical

scavenger that it frees up OH groups from otherwise stable compounds,

often making more free radicals in the process.  So Pearson and Shaw in

their _Life Extension_ books recommend taking  vitamin C when using it

topically.  (Herbally I'd use Chawyanprash which contains amla.)  



According to my Emergency Medical Technician course instructor there is

one documented case of DMSO mixing with other drugs and causing a

condition so dangerous that a Livermore, California emergency room had to

be shut down and the nurses and doctors treated .  A Ms. Ramirez was

using large amounts of DMSO as a non-injectable carrier for cocaine. 

Because she was using so much, she had a large quantity of the DMSO

dissolved in her blood.  She collapsed, and the paramedics were called. 

The paramedics found her having difficulty breathing, so they

administered oxygen according to protocol.  Thus, her blood oxygen

content was significantly boosted.  Blood was released in the emergency

room when some spilled during diagnostic blood tests. The theory is that

when her super oxegenated blood mixed with DMSO hit the air in the

emergency room it crystalized and formed DMSO4, a nerve agent.  (The

cocaine probably figures in the chemical reaction as well.)  The medical

personnel started dropping and the ER had to be evacuated and closed for

some time.



A theory proposed is that interaction of DMSO and Hydrogen Peroxide can

result in the DMSO4.  You might want to look at this possibility with

your father's other drugs.



I don't know what circulatory herbs you were giving him, but be aware

that the effect of cayenne is usually short term.  Something along the

lines of prickly ash is likely to be longer acting.  Be aware that we do

not have traditional knowledge of what herbal constituents get carried

into the body with DMSO, but they may likely include compounds that would

otherwise not be ingested via salves, tinctures and teas.  And dosage

issues are a problem since the stuff gets into your bloodstream almost

instantly, before you have good body feedback.  So you may want to stick

with nutritive herbs where "new" constituents would not be an issue.



Karen Vaughan

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: NIght-Time Leg Cramps

From: palemoon@bestweb.net

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:36:18 +400

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To herb@MyList.net from palemoon@bestweb.net:



Night-Time Leg Cramps



Before going to a lot of trouble and analysis, trying taking a calcium supplement

at night before going to bed. Be careful not to take too much or you will be

groggy the next morning. 



Roger





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: NIght-Time Leg Cramps

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:20:54 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/27/99 10:00:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

palemoon@bestweb.net writes:



<< Before going to a lot of trouble and analysis, trying taking a calcium 

supplement

 at night before going to bed. Be careful not to take too much or you will be

 groggy the next morning.  >>



Roger,

The whole point of following the "alternative" path in life is NOT doing what 

you suggest, but taking a proactive role in your health.  Take two pills and 

call me in the morning is what the conventional medical community and sadly 

some of the "complimentary" practitioners would have you do.  Fine if you are 

brain dead and have little interest in really getting better, but IMHO 

totally inappropriate for self healing.  My initial post on the subject said 

take something AND THEN find out what is depleting cellular levels of much 

needed nutrients and minerals.  Invariably, toxins taken in over a long term, 

most notably metals, block the uptake of certain minerals by binding to 

receptor sites that are supposed to either signal/engage the body's 

absorption  or do the job themselves. Unless you take an active and 

participatory role  - like testing - you might as well go and get treated 

symptomatically.  Throwing stuff at the problem till something sticks is poor 

medicine - regardless of who does it.  Look for the SOURCE of the problem and 

it can be fixed.  Treat the symptoms and you can make it worse by 

inappropriate treatment.

nuff said

peter 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: aloe

From: tlearmonth@mtabe.k12.vt.us

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:08:54 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from tlearmonth@mtabe.k12.vt.us:





>

>In my experience, fresh aloe gel works just as effectively as a vehicle and 

>its

>antiinflammatory properties are at least as good.

Just a quick note regarding aloe- Staph bacteria  love this medium and

should be avoided in cases of bacterial infection-J.Mitchell







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: garlic, was: ULCERATIVE COLITIS

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:48:24 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:47:09 -0400, Julie Stallings

<julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu> wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>I was taught that only fresh garlic had antibiotic type properties???  Is

>that not true?  



Not true. All garlic which will make you smell of garlic has antibiotic

properties. In other words, all garlic which contains alliin and alliinase

(which will split alliin to allicin which will make you stink) has antibiotic

properties.



If you dry your own garlic do it without heat, it'll be more potent.



Cheers

Henriette

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: calcium supplements (was night cramps)

From: Woolman <wool84@niia.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:26:09 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Woolman <wool84@niia.net>:



palemoon@BESTWEB.NET wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from palemoon@bestweb.net:

> 

> Night-Time Leg Cramps

> 

> Before going to a lot of trouble and analysis, trying taking a calcium supplement

> at night before going to bed. Be careful not to take too much or you will be

> groggy the next morning.

> 

> Roger



Why? Does calcium cause you to be groggy??





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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: calcium supplements (was night cramps)

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:53:32 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:



At 01:26 PM 4/27/99 -0500, Woolman wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Woolman <wool84@niia.net>:

>

>palemoon@BESTWEB.NET wrote:

>> 

>> To herb@MyList.net from palemoon@bestweb.net:

>> 

>> Night-Time Leg Cramps

>> 

>> Before going to a lot of trouble and analysis, trying taking a calcium

supplement

>> at night before going to bed. Be careful not to take too much or you

will be

>> groggy the next morning.

>> 

>> Roger

>

>Why? Does calcium cause you to be groggy??

> 

Calcium tends to act as a muscle relaxant.  I've never heard of it causing

drowsiness.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Presbyopia

From: AdWitch1@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:11:56 -0600 (MDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from AdWitch1@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/24/99 6:36:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

owner-herb-digest@MyList.net writes:



<<  Now I also have the

 age-related-can't-see-close-itis.  (There is a name for that - can't think

 of it at the moment.)  >>



It's presbyopia.







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To: "H.Herb" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: DMSO

From: "jfoster" <jfoster1@cableone.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:13:56 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "jfoster" <jfoster1@cableone.net>:



Thanks everyone for the info. Think I will just back off of that one. To

many uncertainties for me to fool with. Thanks for all the info though. Did

not realize aloe worked into the skin that well.

Thanks   John     jfoster1@cableone.net











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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: headache

From: "Gail Freeman" <freeman@sktc.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:40:25 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Gail Freeman" <freeman@sktc.net>:



I don't have any suggestions, but valerian gives me a terrible headache,

too.  Try ice bags, it works for me.



Gail

mailtofreeman@sktc.net



-----Original Message-----

From: 1MarsdTh@students.nc.stj.qld.edu.au

<1MarsdTh@students.nc.stj.qld.edu.au>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 8:34 PM

Subject: headache





To herb@MyList.net from 1MarsdTh@students.nc.stj.qld.edu.au:



I tried Velerian root tea yesterday and ever since I have had a

throbbing headache. Is this to do with the tea? Are there any

suggestions?







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: headache

From: 1MarsdTh@students.nc.stj.qld.edu.au

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:23:17 +1000

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To herb@MyList.net from 1MarsdTh@students.nc.stj.qld.edu.au:



I tried Velerian root tea yesterday and ever since I have had a 

throbbing headache. Is this to do with the tea? Are there any 

suggestions?





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: headache

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:56:09 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:



At 11:23 AM 4/28/99 +1000, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from 1MarsdTh@students.nc.stj.qld.edu.au:

>

>I tried Velerian root tea yesterday and ever since I have had a 

>throbbing headache. Is this to do with the tea? Are there any 

>suggestions?



You can rub lavendar essential oil into your temples.  This gives headache

relief to many people.  





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: headache

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:04:24 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



It sounds as if Valerian is not for you.  Generally this problem occurs

with dry valerian, which I assume is what you used for the tea.  Valerian

changes chemically as it dries and volatile oils evaporate and

constituents react with the air.  Often people with adrenal stress levels

become hyper or have headaches unless they use a tincture made directly

from fresh root.  



This may not be the herb for you.  You would have to tell us more about

your constitution and your complaints.  To begin with there are many

causes to headaches- dietary, allergic, sinusitus related, tension,

migraine, etc.  And people have different constitutional make-ups which

affect their health and their responses to medicinal herbs.



Listen to your body.  It is trying to tell you something.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:23:17 +1000 1MarsdTh@students.nc.stj.qld.edu.au

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from 1MarsdTh@students.nc.stj.qld.edu.au:

>

>I tried Velerian root tea yesterday and ever since I have had a 

>throbbing headache. Is this to do with the tea? Are there any 

>suggestions?

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: headache

From: Astralg8@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:13:31 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Astralg8@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/27/99 9:28:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

1MarsdTh@students.nc.stj.qld.edu.au writes:



<< I tried Velerian root tea yesterday and ever since I have had a 

 throbbing headache. Is this to do with the tea? Are there any 

 suggestions? >>



a couple fo things - White willow bark or feverfew either in tea or tincture 

work quite well - something else to consider - depending on where you get 

your herbs - and especially if they are in a bottle on a store shelf where y 

ou have no idea where they came from before they were encapsulated, a number 

of herbs are treated with sulfites which can give you a raging headache.  

Just another reason to find a good herbalist or store that can tell you with 

some certainty that the herbs are not sulfite treated - It once took me a 

whole week of pain (drinking tea) to figure out that some raspberry leaf 

(supposedly  organic) was what was giving me the problem.  So be careful and 

don't hesitate to ask.  If someone can't answer the question and won't try to 

find out - then find a new place.

peter 







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To: herb@MyList.net, <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: headache

From: Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:11:01 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <anita.hales@worldnet.att.net>:





>I don't have any suggestions, but valerian gives me a terrible headache,

>too.  Try ice bags, it works for me.





If it gives you a headache, then don't take it.  Not everyone tolerates

every herb.  Sometimes fresh is tolerated better than dried.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: headache

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:25:17 -0600 (MDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I don't have any suggestions, but valerian gives me a terrible headache,

> too.  Try ice bags, it works for me.



Proof that these are most-commonly due to constitional heat.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: headache

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:26:02 -0600 (MDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> << I tried Velerian root tea yesterday and ever since I have had a 

>  throbbing headache. Is this to do with the tea? Are there any 

>  suggestions? >>



Drink cool mint tea. This is a sign of constitutional heat.



Paul







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: headache

From: "Steffen" <ramoth@jcn1.com>

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:11:48 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Steffen" <ramoth@jcn1.com>:



>You can rub lavendar essential oil into your temples.  This gives headache

>relief to many people.





My son-in-law gets what has been diagnosed as 'cluster migraines.  Would the

lavender oil help with those and is there anything else that could be tried?

He suffers horribly during these periods.



Thank you,

Pam







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: ST JOHNS

From: charles e cornelius <ccorn2@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:10:42 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from charles e cornelius <ccorn2@juno.com>:



Can anyone tell my why an outside package of this herb would read 'not

for internal use' ????  I realize that there are poultices, etc. made

from st johns for external use, but isn't the plant all the

same...........or are the flowers used internally only while other part

is external???   I could not figure it out.  I am sure there's an

explanation; before i realized how it was labeled it was too late to

return the product.......had bought several herb variety and bulk and

pushed them to the side until i could get to them.....

thanks.

cec



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ST JOHNS

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:25:08 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/28/99 9:06:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ccorn2@juno.com 

writes:



<< Can anyone tell my why an outside package of this herb would read 'not

 for internal use' ????  I realize that there are poultices, etc. made

 from st johns for external use, but isn't the plant all the

 same...........or are the flowers used internally only while other part

 is external???  >>



No reason at all - maybe a mistake by the people that packaged it - or maybe 

it was sprayed with paraquat or DDT or something else as harmful - Personally 

I would take the stuff back - time notwithstanding - and say - Look everyone 

knows that you take this stuff internally  - and unless you can tell me why 

this label I JUST read means - I want a refund - see what happens - If 

someone brought that back to me because of either a mistake or some other 

reason there would be NO argument about return or refund.  

Peter





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: glocoma

From: "Tracie Reiser" <reiser.14@osu.edu>

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:26:22 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Tracie Reiser" <reiser.14@osu.edu>:



	 Hi all, 



  I was wundering, while we are speaking of head aches.  I was diagnosed

with glocoma as a young child.  Everr sence I was very small I have had

these  extreamly painful head aches.  I know that they are caused by the

preasure that builds up along the optic nerve.  Does any one know of a herb

that will eleavate this preasure?  I have some eye drops that I can take

but only once the pain starts.  The other problem is that the drops will

drip down the back of my throut and I think that the drops tast really bad.

 I would like to avoid that if possible.  



  Thanks for your help.  



  Tracie 









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: glocoma

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:28:00 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:



At 09:26 AM 4/28/99 -0400, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Tracie Reiser" <reiser.14@osu.edu>:

>

>	 Hi all, 

>

>  I was wundering, while we are speaking of head aches.  I was diagnosed

>with glocoma as a young child.  Everr sence I was very small I have had

>these  extreamly painful head aches.  I know that they are caused by the

>preasure that builds up along the optic nerve.  Does any one know of a herb

>that will eleavate this preasure?  I have some eye drops that I can take

>but only once the pain starts.  The other problem is that the drops will

>drip down the back of my throut and I think that the drops tast really bad.

> I would like to avoid that if possible.  

>

>  Thanks for your help.  

>

>  Tracie 



I would try some eyebright, it works very well for me for vision related

discomforts from dry, itchy eyes to headaches.  I use it as a tea and

sometimes I take the used herb from my tea and place it  over my eyes for a

few minutes.  This is more easily done if you have it in a tea bag, either

a muslin one you buy to reuse or you can buy it in bags from Seelect (nci)

is the one I have used.



Julie Calhoun Stallings

Herbal Student





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Identifying Chinese herbs

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:34:35 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



At Paul's suggestion I ordered  _The Illustrated Chinese Materia Medica,

Crude and Prepared_ by Kun-ying Yen from Redwing Book Company.  What a

marvellous book for anyone who needs to pictorially identify Chinese

herbs!  There are 240  picture listings of different herbs, animal and

mineral medicines.  Each has a 5"x7" photograph of the herb in its

various forms, laid out on a neutral background.  For example, astragalus

is shown skinned and black skinned, with both forms obliquely sliced and

in stick form, and with honey fried and pressed forms as well. 

Codonopsis root is shown with longitudinal slices stir fried in earth,

unprocessed longitudinal slices, unprocessed uncut lengths and transverse

and oblique slices.  Since Chinese herbs are prepared in several ways, a

person used to seeing the distinctive pattern of round slices of  Baikal

skullcap root, for instance, may find the longitudinal slices difficult

to identify.



The book is organized into barks, stems and woods, roots, rhyzomes,

leaves, flowers, fruits, seeds, herbs, resins and balsams, animal

medicines, minerals and mushrooms (curiously omitting Ling Zhi/Ganoderma/

Reishi from the mushrooms.) .  Each herb has Latin, botanical Latin,

English, Japanese and Chinese Pinyin and character names, alternate

names, physical descriptions, descriptions of characteristics of high

quality herb,  production areas, properties and actions, indications and

constituents listed.  The book omits discussion of endangered species or

substitutes, although the latter can be inferred from the drug function

comparisons tables.  



There are 356 traditional formulas, although preparation instructions are

scant, making the book more useful to someone seeking to understand the

contents of formulas than to prepare them. The discussion of drug

processing aims and methods is very useful to someone coming from a

western herbal background, including processing to eliminate or reduce

toxicity, to enhance actions and to change the properties of herbs.  A

glossary of Chinese medical terms is also included.



The indexes are particularly useful to anyone who struggles with the

various transliterated, botanical Latin, pharmacological Latin and other

names.  All English, Latin, Pinyin and transliterated Japanese names are

listed in a single index.  (No Wade Giles transliterations however). 

There is a Chinese character index as well. 



An excellent book for a specialized subject.



Karen Vaughan

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Identifying Chinese herbs

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:54:21 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



ISBN 957-638-076-6

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:14:11 EDT NEHrbSup@aol.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:

>

>In a message dated 4/28/99 9:39:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

>creationsgarden@juno.com writes:

>

><< At Paul's suggestion I ordered  _The Illustrated Chinese Materia 

>Medica,

> Crude and Prepared_ by Kun-ying Yen from Redwing Book Company.  >>

>Karen,

>Do you have the ISBN for the book - it would make it easier for me to 

>order.

>thanks, 

>peter

>



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Subject: Teenage Daughter

From: "Connie C. Hayes" <chayes@wizard.com>

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:14:45 -0700 (PDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from "Connie C. Hayes" <chayes@wizard.com>:



Hello all:

Am at a loss with my 15 year old daughter.  She has been light headed,

and has had more than her share of headaches lately.  Took her to the

doctor last week, when I was called to her school.  She had passed out

cold after lunch.  No problems in the blood work, and I had them check

for everything.  No drug use, thyroid is fine, no pregnancy, sugar levels

fine, and not anemic.  I was at my chiropractor yesterday, and she

said it sounds like it could be her adrenal-s.  How would I go about 

checking this out?  My daughter gets hyper with antihistimines, and has

always had trouble getting to sleep.  Her cycles are regular, and she

has seasonal allergies.  Nettles keeps the allergies in check, since we

can't give her the stuff the doctors always want to put her on.  She

has very mild asthma, and that is getting better all the time.  She is

very active, and I feel has built up her lung strength on her own.  She

is 5' 7", and weighs 125 lbs.  I can't seem to keep my teenagers full,

they are eating all the time!!  Keep pushing the good foods, and she

doesn't really get a lot of junk food.  She is the one to go for the

healthy food.  Does drink some pop at lunch, and I am not totally sure

what else she is eating there.



Any help will be appreciated!!

Thanks

Connie

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Bay leaves

From: "Becky Wells" <wellsb@facmgmtserver.fm.csus.edu>

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:21:55 PST8PDT

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To herb@MyList.net from "Becky Wells" <wellsb@facmgmtserver.fm.csus.edu>:



I frequently go camping in an area that has a LOT of huge, beautiful 

bay trees.  I have been wondering if these are the ones I can cook 

with?  So, I looked them up on several websites as well as in my 

small collection of herb books (can you tell I'm new at this and 

finding them yourself in the wild very different than buying them at 

the store!)   I guess I'm just looking for verification that I'm 

right and I CAN use them for cooking as well as medicinal uses.

I've added the crushed leaves to baths just for the soothing smell 

for years before I started lurking on this list.



In some cases, the trees are taller than a 2-story building and have 

trunks about 3-feet in diameter... they look like they've been around 

since the covered wagons cruised by with settlers.  The leaves are 

thin and pointed like a eucalyptus but shorter, and have a 

minty/peppery/soothing smell that is pungent when crushed. This 

Spring most of the trees developed tiny clusters of creamy/yellow 

blossoms.  This matches most of the brief descriptions I found of 

bay laurel (Laurus nobilis).  Most sites preferred to talk about 

laurel wreaths in Rome than soup and pot roast and baths.



In something I read about bay leaves, caution was mentioned in making 

SURE that the ones you picked were the "cooking variety".  Can anyone 

add anything about this?



Thanks.

Becky

wellsb@csus.edu





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Bay leaves

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:07:11 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Becky-



You don't say where you live, but California bay tree substitutes well

for Laurus nobilis.  It may have somewhat more of a camphor smelland the

leaf has more of a point, but it can substitute perfectly well for

cullinary use.  When I lived out west we used it instead of Laurus

nobilis.  The tree is taller, and grows in the wild in California

(although it could be an import gone wild.)  You don't see "real" bay

trees much outside of Europe except under cultivation.



Karen Vaughan

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On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:21:55 PST8PDT "Becky Wells"

<wellsb@facmgmtserver.fm.csus.edu> writes:

>

>I frequently go camping in an area that has a LOT of huge, beautiful 

>bay trees.  I have been wondering if these are the ones I can cook 

>with? 



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Bay leaves

From: "Becky Wells" <wellsb@facmgmtserver.fm.csus.edu>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:33:50 PST8PDT

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To herb@MyList.net from "Becky Wells" <wellsb@facmgmtserver.fm.csus.edu>:



Karen:



Thanks for the answer on the bay trees.  I do live in California and 

the trees I've been watching so closely are in the Napa/Santa Rosa 

area of wine country... (Nice place to go camping, right?  When we 

hike the hills, my husband gets so frustrated because I'm always 

stopping to pull out my book and "look at weeds", but it's a great 

place to practice .) 



You're right about the smell being camphor-like and it's strongest 

when the leaves are fresh.  I think that's why we've always used it 

in baths... just like the smell of rosemary in a bath, it has a 

clean and soothing scent.  I guess my next step is to gather 

some leaves and try cooking with them. 



Does anyone know of any medicinal properties where bay may be used?



Thanks again.

Becky





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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: Bay leaves

From: Sarah Head <sarah.head@online.rednet.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:52:25 +0100

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Sarah Head <sarah.head@online.rednet.co.uk>:



Hi Becky



When I attended Chrostopher Hedley's worshop in London a few months ago, he 

said that infused oil of bay was good for rubbing on aches and pains , 

especially feet, because the bay had the capacity to deaden nerve endings 

that might be over sensitised. He also said that the best time to make the 

hot infused oil was when the tree was flowering.



Best wishes



Sarah









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: headache, Pam

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:34:44 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:



At 07:11 AM 4/28/99 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Steffen" <ramoth@jcn1.com>:

>

>>You can rub lavendar essential oil into your temples.  This gives headache

>>relief to many people.

>

>

>My son-in-law gets what has been diagnosed as 'cluster migraines.  Would the

>lavender oil help with those and is there anything else that could be tried?

>He suffers horribly during these periods.





Pam,



Your son-in-law can use the lavendar oil on his temples and also lie in a

dark room with lavendar oil in a diffuser and internally he may want to try

blue vervain.  Blue vervain grounds Liver fire.  An overstressed Liver

resulting in "liver heat rising" is often the source of headaches.  I would

look for a good extract.  This will help in the moment, but I agree with

others that it is important to find the source of the problem instead of

just treating the symptoms.  A good herbalist with a whole health history

can usually spot where the constitutional weakness is and provide you with

the information you need to restore your health so eventually symptoms

don't recur.



I  wonder if your son-in-law has requested your assistance.  Even if he

has, don't be surprised if he does not follow your advice.  If it was me, I

would give him the information, but try not to be attached to whether or

not he uses it. Some people are very attached to their illnesses.   I think

of this as planting seeds.  Sooner or later something may sprout.   Of

course, if he has a bout in front of you, you can ply him with herbs and

oils while he is incapacitated and will do anything. 



Best wishes in helping your family heal.  Working with my family use to be

frustrating until I quit crusading for them to see the light.  Now some of

the seeds I planted over a year ago are showing promise.



Julie Calhoun Stallings

Herbal Student





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: Wkniii@ecr.net

Date: 28 Apr 1999 20:03:52 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Wkniii@ecr.net:



Hi. I'm 37 and have just been diagnosed with high cholesterol. I'm 5'4"

and weigh 115 lbs. As well as maintaining a low fat diet, I think I

remember reading something once about an herb or herbs that lower or at

least help to lower cholesterol. I'd like to know if any of you have had

any experience with herbal teas as an additional combative. Are there

any? I have tons of herbal books and masses of herbal papers that I

could look through, but the process would be painstakingly time

consuming. I'd like to know if anyone has tried or recommended any teas

with good results. Thanks.



Julie

Homer, Ohio







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:46:27 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:



At 08:03 PM 4/28/99 EDT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Wkniii@ecr.net:





Garlic, garlic, garlic taken as a supplement and eaten with foods. 

 " . . .garlic lowers blood-cholesterol levels, so that after a meal with

garlic these are lower than after the same meal without:"   Simon Mills,

The Essential Book of Herbal Medicine.



Julie Calhoun Stallings

Herbal Student



>

>Hi. I'm 37 and have just been diagnosed with high cholesterol. I'm 5'4"

>and weigh 115 lbs. As well as maintaining a low fat diet, I think I

>remember reading something once about an herb or herbs that lower or at

>least help to lower cholesterol. I'd like to know if any of you have had

>any experience with herbal teas as an additional combative. Are there

>any? I have tons of herbal books and masses of herbal papers that I

>could look through, but the process would be painstakingly time

>consuming. I'd like to know if anyone has tried or recommended any teas

>with good results. Thanks.

>

>Julie

>Homer, Ohio

>

>

>





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: "S. Carlton" <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:03:35 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "S. Carlton" <carlton@mint.net>:



At 08:03 PM 4/28/99 EDT, Wkniii@ecr.net wrote in part:



>snip

>Are there any? I have tons of herbal books and masses of herbal papers

that I could look through, but the process would be painstakingly time

consuming. I'd like to know if anyone has tried or recommended any teas

with good results. Thanks.

>

>Julie

>Homer, Ohio

>

Julie:

I appreciate your desire to address your cholesterol issue but I guess I'm

a bit distressed by what would appear to be your quest for a "quick fix."

I would submit that each of us has spent (and continues to spend) a great

deal of time reading, evaluating, experimenting, growing, preparing ... in

short, studying and *learning* about herbs and their effects.  I believe

the painstaking consumption of time in pursuit of herbal knowledge to be

far more in keeping with the philosophy of herbalism than the "quick, tell

me" approach more akin to the precepts of allopathy.  Establishing a

different balance of systems within the body is, by its very nature, a

process which will take time... and this, too, will be time very well-spent.



Best wishes...

Scott Carlton

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: Wkniii@ecr.net

Date: 29 Apr 1999 21:38:46 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Wkniii@ecr.net:



Thanks Julie, but if that were the case I should have an extremely low

level. My husband and I grow our own garlic and always have tons of it

on hand. We use no less than 1 whole head of garlic in EVERYTHING we

cook. We are garlic fiends. We've often wondered if we smell of garlic

to others as we eat so much of it all the time. I'm concerned because as

a rule, my husband and I are naturally very lean eaters and don't

partake of many "junk" foods, and try to limit our fat and red meat

intake to very little at all. I eat a fair amount of fiber and greens

and live on fresh herbs and home grown vegetables most of the time. This

is why I'm concerned about the levels, which incidently, are at 213 per

my doctor. So, if I eat so much garlic and lean fibrous foods, then why

are my levels high in the first place? I usually drink lots of herbal

tea with hawthorn as well for good cardiac health, but what else can I

do? That's why I was wondering if there was an herbal infusion which I

may make to help lower my levels. I just don't know where else to look.

Thanks again.



Julie

Homer, Ohio







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:05:51 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:



At 09:38 PM 4/29/99 EDT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Wkniii@ecr.net:

>Thanks Julie, but if that were the case I should have an extremely low

>level. My husband and I grow our own garlic and always have tons of it

>on hand.



I personally have never had concerns about high cholesterol.  I understand

how crazy it can make you feel when you are doing all the dietary stuff

that people advise already.  I've been there although for a different

reason.  My husband, who is becoming famous on this list has had high

cholesterol levels in the past.  I will ask him what he did and get back to

you on Sunday.  Another thought is that something may be going on with your

liver and its metabolism of fats.  Or some other break down in your system.

It would be worthwhile for you to list on paper for yourself all of your

health conditions.  Especially all those things that you think of as normal

because that is just you.  Digestion of foods or certain foods, bowel

movements regularity and texture, headaches, allergies, numbness, pains,

vision, sleep, breathing, stressors, energy levels throughout the day and

on and on. You might even get your husband to help.  Mine remembers stuff

about me and I about him that we ourselves have forgotten. Try to note time

or occasions when things occur.  You may see a pattern that could point to

an imbalance somewhere.  Obviously you won't be getting a quick fix.  And a

personal inventory is very very worthwhile.



Julie Calhoun Stallings

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:13:18 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>:



At 09:38 PM 4/29/99 EDT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Wkniii@ecr.net:

>

>This

>is why I'm concerned about the levels, which incidently, are at 213 per

>my doctor. So, if I eat so much garlic and lean fibrous foods, then why

>are my levels high in the first place?

>Julie

>Homer, Ohio

>

Did you receive the breakdown of HDL and LDL in this total?  If not, it's

worth finding out.  



Why do you use the hawthorn as a cardiac toner?  It's an excellent herb

when indicated to improve cardiac function, but it can add stress to a

healthy heart through increasing cardiac dynamics.



Garlic doesn't lower cholesterol for everyone, but it sure tastes good.

Too much, though, can interfere with complete digestion and contribute to

digestive inertia rather than motility and absorption.  



One of the most enduring ways to manage cholesterol is to ensure good

digestion of all foods.  Many people who work very hard to change dietary

habits become discouraged when there is no change or continued increase in

cholesterol levels.  This is usually due to insufficient digestive fire to

completely transform food into energy, resulting in the sludge that loves

to cling to blood vessels and other tissues.



Aliceann Carlton

ayurveda@mint.net



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:53:37 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from hetta@saunalahti.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:13:18 -0400, Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net> wrote

to herb@MyList.net:



>Why do you use the hawthorn as a cardiac toner?  It's an excellent herb

>when indicated to improve cardiac function, but it can add stress to a

>healthy heart through increasing cardiac dynamics.



This is the first I've heard of hawthorn to be stressful to a healthy heart.

What's your source?

All my sources say it strengthens the heart. So, even if it should add more

stress, it'll also add the strength to handle it.



Hawthorn is one of our best circulatory tonics. That includes both heart and

blood vessels, down to capillary level.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:17:13 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



The greatest determinant of cholesterol level is genetics- basically it

determines your cholesterol range.  Within that range, exercise has much

more influence over cholesterol than does diet.  Diet can affect

cholesterol in two ways- too much cholesterol can raise levels,

especially in a diet that is otherwise high in carbohydrates.  Too little

cholesterol can cause the body to go into overproduction- it should go

towards normal production (homeostasis) but in real life, with underlying

issues that people actually have, it often overproduces cholesterol.



High cholesterol is not necessarily a problem.  For one thing, the

particle size of LDL has an impact- the large size is good for you

because the large slippery particles actually help clean out your veins,

while small particle size is associated with increased coronary risk. 

Many people diagnosed as having high LDL or unfavorable LDL to HDL ratios

may not be at high coronary risk.  Cholesterol is an anti-oxidant and

since we are so full of free radicals from our atrocious diets and

stressful lives, the body responds by producing its antioxidant,

cholesterol.  The cholesterol measured in blood is not dietary but

synthesized.  Stress produces high levels of cortisol whose precurser is

cholesterol.  Without cholesterol we would not survive since it is the

basic compound for ALL hormones and vitamin D. IF triglycerides are high,

treat that.



Myrrhm guggul, hawthorn and garlic are used to treat cholesterol and

other heart conditions herbally but may not budge a high count.  Niacin

in the form of (*non* time-release) inositol hexaniacinate is also

useful.  You might also want to investigate Cholestin, the brand name for

Monascus purpureus Went, a type of red yeast fermented on rice.  This has

been used in China for several centuries as a food additive for making

rice wine, as a food preservative for maintaining the color and taste of

fish and meat, and as a medicinal agent and has been found to lower

cholesterol.  It may still be found in chain drug stores although it has

recently been purchased by a MLM company.  But first you might want to

see whether your cholesterol is really a problem.  There is a new high

cholesterol, high LDL fraction test performed by Berkeley HeartLab, Inc.

and perhaps other laboratories.  Try doing a web search on it and have

your doctor look into it.



Karen Vaughan

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: "Denise" <deeni@atlcom.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:31:14 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Denise" <deeni@atlcom.net>:



Julie



For as far back as I can remember, my mother has always eaten "healthy",

however, after my father passed away she went for a complete physical and

found out she not only had cancer but 'killer high' cholesterol levels.



She has since had an operation and has gotten rid of the cancer but, even

with the help of meds, and cutting back on anything in her diet that might

be listed as bad, her levels remain high. Her doctor has told her that her

body "manufactures" cholesterol.



I would be very interested in any info I can pass to her that might help her

body to unmanufacture this.



I am new to the list and i do want to say "thank you" for all the info I

have. My only experience with herbs are the ones that you buy in the store -

usually prepackaged, dried. Have heard of SO many things I have never heard

of before. Went to a good local nursery and found Pineapple sage - the first

post I had from this list was about this herb.



Also was looking for some different kinds of mints and found one labeled

"candy mint". It is supposed to be "sweeter than sugar and can be used the

same way". Is anyone familiar with this plant - I can get the Latin name,

preferably tomorrow when it there is more light out on the deck and maybe

not raining.



One further request, could someone recommend both a good starter herb book

(for recipes and medications) and a good starter 'identification in the

wild' herb book.



Thanks

denise

-----Original Message-----

From: Wkniii@ecr.net <Wkniii@ecr.net>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 9:43 PM

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......





>To herb@MyList.net from Wkniii@ecr.net:

>

>Thanks Julie, but if that were the case I should have an extremely low

>level. My husband and I grow our own garlic and always have tons of it

>on hand. We use no less than 1 whole head of garlic in EVERYTHING we

>cook. We are garlic fiends. We've often wondered if we smell of garlic

>to others as we eat so much of it all the time. I'm concerned because as

>a rule, my husband and I are naturally very lean eaters and don't

>partake of many "junk" foods, and try to limit our fat and red meat

>intake to very little at all. I eat a fair amount of fiber and greens

>and live on fresh herbs and home grown vegetables most of the time. This

>is why I'm concerned about the levels, which incidently, are at 213 per

>my doctor. So, if I eat so much garlic and lean fibrous foods, then why

>are my levels high in the first place? I usually drink lots of herbal

>tea with hawthorn as well for good cardiac health, but what else can I

>do? That's why I was wondering if there was an herbal infusion which I

>may make to help lower my levels. I just don't know where else to look.

>Thanks again.

>

>Julie

>Homer, Ohio

>

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: Wkniii@ecr.net

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:56:05 -0600 (MDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Wkniii@ecr.net:



Dear Scott,

     First, I'd like to clarify what obviously seems to be a

misunderstanding. Yes, I do have volumes of herbal books which tell in

great detail the constituents and benefits of all herbs described. Yes,

I have read from cover to cover all of these volumes. I'm also a

subscriber to The Herb Companion, Herbs for health, Vegetarian Times,

Natural Health, Prevention Magazine, Herb Quarterly and Herbal Gram, all

of which I read from cover to cover upon receipt. Not to mention the

reams upon reams of paper upon which I've printed too many articles,

papers and dissertations from the internet. I am also a member of the

Herb Society of America and have been privy to many seminars and

presentations regarding the promotion of good health, mind and body. And

yes, I've read many an article on cholesterol management and basic

physical and mental well being. My husband and I are also practicing

meditators and visit our accupucture doctor quite often. So in fact, I

HAVE taken the time.

    The reason I asked about a tea was simply this.....After reading the

countless written pages of what I've viewed, I find no conclusive

results regarding any one particular remedy for cholesterol management.

There are always contradictions in one way or another between sources

and many conclude that "this is not effective but this is" or "there is

no substantial proof regarding this control measure and studies are

inconclusive". In light of the subject at hand, I am left somewhat

confused and dismayed and have no clue which way to turn. And yes, I

HAVE spent many endless hours reading, evaluating, experimenting,

growing, preparing, studying AND learning about herbs and their effects.



    The news that I have high cholesterol is quite a mystery to me.  I

am baffled by this because basically I am a very conscious minded eater.

I eat plenty of fibrous foods, including "gardens full" of fresh home

grown greens. I don't partake of "junk" foods and I don't eat many fatty

foods as a rule. My husband and I eat more lean chicken and fish than

any one individual should and our staples include wild rice and beans at

most meals. We eat nothing but whole grain cereals and eat so much

garlic that in fact we should smell of garlic ourselves.

So, in conclusion I'd like to say that I am NOT in search of a "quick

fix" as you so eloquently put it, I am simply in search of another

person's experiences with cholesterol management. It has become my

experience that not all noted remedies are efficacious with all

individuals all the time. I am merely asking for proven results and I

will choose my own direction.



Thank you.

Julie







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:01:53 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Julie-



My doctor told me that a low fat diet can be worse for cholesterol

because essential fatty acids may not be sufficient.  It can also

adversely effect the HDL/LDL ratio because the good cholesterol goes down

with a low fat diet.

Maybe your diet is too "good". 



Karen Vaughan

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:39:53 -0600 (MDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> The news that I have high cholesterol is quite a mystery to me.  I

> am baffled by this because basically I am a very conscious minded eater.

> I eat plenty of fibrous foods, including "gardens full" of fresh home

> grown greens. I don't partake of "junk" foods and I don't eat many fatty

> foods as a rule. My husband and I eat more lean chicken and fish than

> any one individual should and our staples include wild rice and beans at

> most meals. We eat nothing but whole grain cereals and eat so much

> garlic that in fact we should smell of garlic ourselves.



That may be so, but what about daily coffee intake?



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: Wkniii@ecr.net

Date: 30 Apr 1999 08:58:18 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Wkniii@ecr.net:



Paul,

   I am, as a rule, an herbal tea drinker, either pre packaged or self

blended. I usually only have but one cup of coffee per day taken in the

mornings. Although I'm a health conscious eater, I just can't give up

the flavor of coffee in the mornings.



Julie







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: Wkniii@ecr.net

Date: 30 Apr 1999 09:24:14 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Wkniii@ecr.net:



Denise,

    My Mother, as well, has been diagnosed with high cholesterol, and it

was determined that her body manufactured too much as well. After a

battery of tests, diets and drugs, her doctor has come to this

conclusion. She is currently taking a powder mixed with juice to keep

her levels in check. Perhaps my condition is genetic as suggested by

other listers.

     Regarding the "candy mint".....I am the head herb grower for a

large local nursery where we currently have available some 300 different

herbs, including several varieties of mint. Although I've heard of

"candy mint", we are not growing it as of yet. I'm also not sure of the

claims that it is sweeter than sugar. Perhaps your source was actually

referring to Stevia Rebaudiana, from Paraguay, which has a claim to be

in excess of 100 times sweeter than sugar. It is a zone 9 herb and is

generally "tender" in mainland United States. The bottled form, the

stevioside extract actually, sold in stores is used as a sugar

substitute in powder form is the proportions of 1/8 tsp per cup of cane

sugar normally used. However, you can dry Stevia yourself and crumble

the leaves to obtain a "powder" from the plant. The proportion of use is

much more since it is the whole leaf instead of the extract. Usually 1

1/2 to 2 T per cup of sugar depending on individual taste.





Julie

Homer, Ohio







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:44:13 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/30/99 9:28:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Wkniii@ecr.net 

writes:



<< However, you can dry Stevia yourself and crumble

 the leaves to obtain a "powder" from the plant. The proportion of use is

 much more since it is the whole leaf instead of the extract. Usually 1

 1/2 to 2 T per cup of sugar depending on individual taste. >>





Fine so long as what you are using it for is tea or coffee, but there is 

something particularly unappealing about making cake and cookies from the 

leaf.  Personal experience speaking.  Unless you have someone that is 

completely color blind, you will find your stevia sweetened cake sitting all 

by itself at the local bake sale after every one else's stuff has been sold 

because it looks like it sat and grew a really fine lite green mold quite 

consistently throughout. My best experience was with some really scrumptious 

date bars.  With the big round balls that the topping forms coming out of the 

oven a pale yellowish green, it actually looked like a candidate for the 

Pasteur Institute discovery of the year.  The excuses for not eating them 

from dinner guests were quite interesting too.

Oh well- anyway, the 1/8 tsp. - 1 cup ratio for the dry extract is a good one 

to start with as is 2 tsp. of the powdered dry leaf to the cup.

peter   





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: Wkniii@ecr.net

Date: 30 Apr 1999 09:47:54 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Wkniii@ecr.net:



Peter,

   Perhaps you are not crumbling or grinding it finely enough?

I have used freshly dried stevia in baked goods and have had no problems

with the "mold-like" appearance.

Julie







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

From: Carrie9557@aol.com

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:26:52 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Carrie9557@aol.com:



I recently found out I had high cholesterol also (313) and was quite taken 

back that my doctor did not seem alarmed.  Of course he knows that I am an 

avid eater of many fruits and vegetables daily. (It seems many vegetarians 

carry a high cholesterol level....interesting)  In doing some research I 

found out that fruits in particular are very high in carbohydrates....thus 

boosting my triglyceride level (628) which in turn effects the LDL (20) thus 

effecting the HDL.   I had also become very inactive over the last year as a 

result of back surgery.  



In the last 3 monthes I have gotten my level down to 278 and we expect it  

will continue to drop.  What did I do, you ask......I started eating Oatmeal 

"every" morning, I cut back on my fruits per day and I now walk 2 miles a 

day.  Lots of list members also recommended the addition of garlic to my diet 

and outside of that.....nothing else has been changed.  This seems to be 

somewhat off topic since my recommendations are not herbal so I will close up 

here.   

Best of Luck

Carrie

Carrie9557@aol.com







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Grape seed extract

From: Jennifer Kiliszewski <j_iris@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:50:18 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Jennifer Kiliszewski <j_iris@juno.com>:



Can some one please tell me some of the basics about Grape Seed Extract? 

I don't see it in any of the Herbal references that I have.  Also what

does one look for when choosing a type of GSE?



Thank you.  Jenny Iris



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Grape seed extract

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:32:50 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/28/99 10:16:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, j_iris@juno.com 

writes:



<< an someone please tell me some of the basics about Grape Seed Extract? 

 I don't see it in any of the Herbal references that I have.  Also what

 does one look for when choosing a type of GSE? >>



Jenny,



GSE is Grapefruit Seed Extract not grape seed extract - and definitely not to 

be confused with Oregon grape root.  The following is a "technical" analysis 

done by a lab that I picked up some time back - I scanned the info in but 

didn't keep the letterhead it was on so I can't tell you exactly who did it, 

but all the rest of the information is exactly as printed.  I also have an 

article that appeared in "Natural Health" some time ago - 1996 - that calls 

GSE the Swiss Army Knife or herbal medicine - actually the thing that got me 

to start looking for more information.  If you would like that let me know.  

The tech review follows  



PRODUCT:		Grapefruit Seed Extract



MATERIAL: Grapefruit Seed & Pulp Extract



DESCRIPTION: Natural, Nonmetallic & Organic Antimicrobial Compound



Application:

Standardized Extract of Grapefruit is an extremely potent and effective broad 

spectrum bactericide, fungicide, antiviral and antiparasitic compound. 

Grapefruit Seed Extract is manufactured by a unique process from the seeds 

and pulp of grapefruit. The final product is a combination of naturally 

occurring elements including bioflavonoids, amino acids, fatty acids, 

saccharides, phenolic compounds, tocopherols, ascorbic acid and 

dehydro-ascorbic acid. Standardized Extract of Grapefruit is environmentally 

safe with low toxicity to man and animals.



Mode of Activity:

Studies indicate that the antimicrobial activity of Grapefruit Seed Extract 

is in the cytoplasmic membrane where the uptake of amino acids is prevented 

and disorganization of the cytoplasmic membrane and leakage of low molecular 

weight cellular contents.



Agriculture: 		Bactericide and fungicide in both pre harvest and 

post harvest treatment 

Fish & Poultry: 	Disinfectant for fresh fish and poultry, preservative 

for processed fish and poultry 

Animal Feed: 		Mold inhibitor and antiparasitic 

Food: 			Preservation and antioxidant

Cosmetics:		 Preservative and antimicrobial

Water 			Treatment: Disinfectant for contaminated water



Grapefruit Seed Extract should be handled with care in full strength. Avoid 

contact with the eyes and avoid breathing vapors at full strength. Any direct 

contact with the skin should be thoroughly rinsed with water.



Standardized Extract of Grapefruit has been proven effective in vitro against 

the following microorganisms:



 African swine fever

Aspergillus flavus

Aspergillus niger

Aspergillus oryzae

Aspergillus parasiticus

Aspergillus terreus

Campylobacter jejuni

Candida albicans

Chaetonium globosum

Chlamydia trachomatis

Entamoeba histolytica

Escherichia coli

Foot and mouth disease

Fusarium oxy. F sp. tuberosi

Fusarium oxysporum

Fusarium sambucinum

Giardia lamblia

Helicobacter pylori

Herpes Simplex Virus, Type I

Influenza A2 Virus

Klebsiellus pneumonia

Lactobacillus pentoaceticus

Legionella pneumophilia

Listeria monocytogenes

Penicillium funiculosum

Penicillium roqueforti

Penicillium sp.

Proteus vulgaris

Pseudomonas aeruginosa

Pullularia pullulans

Salmonella cholerasuis

Salmonella typhi

Scerotinia laxa

Shigella dysenteriae

Staphylococcus aureus

Staphylococcus pyogenes

Staphylococcus sp.

Streptococcus faecals

Swine vesicular disease

Trichophyton interdigital



Hope this sheds some light on your wonderment.

peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Grape seed extract

From: Jennifer Kiliszewski <j_iris@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:05:47 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Jennifer Kiliszewski <j_iris@juno.com>:



Thank you Peter.  Is GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT  available in most herb

shops?  Any specific form I should look for?

Jenny Iris



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Grape seed extract

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:37:30 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/29/99 11:08:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, j_iris@juno.com 

writes:



<< Is GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT  available in most herb

 shops?  Any specific form I should look for? >>

Jenny,



There are a lot of shops that have it, but a lot that don't, so its the luck 

of the draw.  If you have trouble finding it locally, drop me a line off list 

 - we can get you what you need.

peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Juli's offer  -  withdrawal from anti-depressant.

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:49:38 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/28/99 8:36:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu writes:



<<  He has some

 herbal knowledge in particular for this type of thing plus vitamin, mineral

 and amino acid supplementation information.  Let me know if she is

 interested and I'll send you or her his email address. >>



Juli - 



I think that there are a number of us on the list that would like to hear 

what he has to offer.    we all have our own "combinations" and favorite 

remedies for this and that which we have come by through sometimes long and 

arduous trial and error taking from the old and blending with the new, but I 

for one am always open for something "new" to consider and use if 

appropriate.  It is the essence of herbalism.  Each of us adding to and 

improving on the wisdom of those who have traveled before us  I think that we 

would all understand a "qualified" response but would ask that he share what 

he has found to be effective.  Doing so could change  the lives of people he 

would never ever get to know in very profound ways.  

peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Juli's offer  -  withdrawal from anti-depressant.

From: Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:37:24 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Julie Stallings <julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu>:



I will talk to my husband about posting his recommendations to the list for

withdrawing from Paxil.  He is not part of my interest in this herb list,

but I am sure he would be glad to put his info out there for any it would

help.  We do this all the time with our friends and acquaintances, but we

do usually individualize our information to the person asking.  I think his

interest in contacting her directly was so he could get responses to

questions he needs answered in order to give his recommendations.  I also

was not sure if the list would be interested because a considerable part of

his advice won't be herbs.  My belief in dealing with health issues is that

you can't just think herbs, but I want to respect the guidelines of this

list.  



If we don't hear back from the original questioner, I can ask my husband

for general guidelines to share with you.



As an aside, I just ordered some bulk herbs for a new formula I am making

for him.  I will be glad to let everyone know how it turns out, of course

that will be a while from now.  We are working to restore his adrenal and

nervous system health.



Julie Calhoun Stallings

Herbal Student







At 10:49 PM 4/28/99 EDT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:

>

>In a message dated 4/28/99 8:36:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

>julie.stallings@ibid.library.gatech.edu writes:

>

><<  He has some

> herbal knowledge in particular for this type of thing plus vitamin, mineral

> and amino acid supplementation information.  Let me know if she is

> interested and I'll send you or her his email address. >>

>

>Juli - 

>

>I think that there are a number of us on the list that would like to hear 

>what he has to offer.    we all have our own "combinations" and favorite 

>remedies for this and that which we have come by through sometimes long and 

>arduous trial and error taking from the old and blending with the new, but I 

>for one am always open for something "new" to consider and use if 

>appropriate.  It is the essence of herbalism.  Each of us adding to and 

>improving on the wisdom of those who have traveled before us  I think that

we 

>would all understand a "qualified" response but would ask that he share what 

>he has found to be effective.  Doing so could change  the lives of people he 

>would never ever get to know in very profound ways.  

>peter

>

>





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: neat site

From: Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 05:17:11 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:





Howdy,

 For those who do wild crafting in the South(USA) or just want to ID that

plant growing in your back yard ..here is a really neat website



http://www.flwildflowers.com



Best!

Lucinda



Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Genital warts

From: "Elsa Bruguier" <bruguier@rci.rutgers.edu>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:21:24 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Elsa Bruguier" <bruguier@rci.rutgers.edu>:



A friend has asked for list members' recommendations.  She was recently

diagnosed with genital warts, and seeks options for treating herbally or

otherwise.  Please reply privately if "or otherwise" is off-topic.  Thank you.



Elsa

bruguier@rci.rutgers.edu





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: where to plant horsetail?

From: KR1989@aol.com

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:27:41 EDT

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I just got my horsetail plants and can't find out in any of my books where to 

plant them.  Does anyone know if they like shade/sun, dry or wet?  Can they 

handle cold winters, or have to be brought in?  Thanks

Kathy





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To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: where to plant horsetail?

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:09:46 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



Well, different species of horsetail have different requirements, but the

horsetail that grows around me likes wet gravelly soil and semi-shady

locations, especially those that get springtime sun, like the edges of

deciduous forests, though I have seen them growing in almost full sun, as

long as the soil does not dry out too much..  They commonly are found on

gravelly roadsides and ditches.



I have never heard of anyone taking them

inside.  I do not think they would like that, being very ancient plants.

They will die back in fall though, at least where there is winter.  The

species around me comes  in 2 forms.  The pink tannish fertile spore bearing

form comes up now in early spring,  then dies back and the green sterile

form that everyone thinks of when they think of this plant comes up, and

grows fairly big by mid summer, when it is way too late to collect it for

internal use.  There are other species that grow differently, but someone

else can write about them.  And if prompted, later, I will look up the

species name...think it is Equisetum arvense, but not sure.

Joanie...(in New England)





>I just got my horsetail plants and can't find out in any of my books where

to

>plant them.  Does anyone know if they like shade/sun, dry or wet?  Can they

>handle cold winters, or have to be brought in?  Thanks

>Kathy









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: where to plant horsetail?

From: WhisperMtH@aol.com

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:27:37 EDT

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Horsetail will tolerate either full sun or shade but thrives on a mixture and 

is a water lover.   It is also very winter hardy - at least in my neck of the 

woods (Missouri)

Horsetail can become invasive too.  I have some that has lived for years in 

containers.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Deadness in hand

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:20:00 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



I read some time ago in Computer Times (http://computertimes.com) about carpal

tunnel syndrome associated with computer use being caused by unfavorable angle 

of viewing the monitor rather than finger action of typing.  Monitor too high or

low can lead to pinched nerves in the neck when the neck is bent at an 

unfavorable angle for prolonged time, and these nerves go through the arms to 

the hands.  A chiropractor can help in such circumstances, but it is naturally 

preferable to be aware of the danger before a crisis develops.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Dong Quai

From: "aam890" <aam890@email.msn.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:57:08 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "aam890" <aam890@email.msn.com>:



Does anyone know the recommended regime for Dong Quai?  I have been taking

it for years and it has helped level monthly symptoms.  My sister-in law

tried it and found it to help, however her cycle was much longer.  I take

two/day and do not stop.  Are you supposed to go off them for awhile?



Thanks

Anne











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Cholesterol, Diet  and science

From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@thc-tsg.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:24:19 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@thc-tsg.com>:



> Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

> The greatest determinant of cholesterol level is genetics- basically it

> determines your cholesterol range.  Within that range, exercise has much

> more influence over cholesterol than does diet.



In support of Karen's statements, for years RIchard Passwater kept telling 

everyone that there was no link between dietary cholesterol.  It's almost 

humorous how the myth got started. I think it is in his book 

"Supernutrition".  Basically someone wrote a letter to a medical journal in 

which they wondered if there might be a link.  That got picked up and 

twisted in the retelling and one citation led to another till it took on a 

solidity of hard science even though there was never a study.   It became 

heresy to question this 'scientific truth'.  Now after 20 years  (?)  and 

millions of people trying to avoid dietary cholesterol, the times they are 

achanging.   Of course, avoiding cholesterol meant that they did avoid fat 

which is useful (except for those who overdo it and make their body think 

there is a famine - but that's another story)



An article in Nutrition News is relevant:



"After 40 years of the public being told that the cholesterol we eat 

goes right to our heart, the tide in publicity may be shifting to a 

more moderate conclusion. Last week, Nutrition News Focus told 

readers the link between dietary and blood cholesterol was not 

particularly strong. In the April 21, 1999 Journal of the American 

Medical Association, 

<http://www.ama-assn.org/sci-

pubs/journals/archive/jama/vol_281/no_15/oc81683a.htm> 

researchers from Harvard report that they could find no relationship 

of egg intake with heart disease.



Two large prospective studies of 38,000 men and 80,000 women looked 

at heart attacks and strokes in 8 to 14 years of follow-up after 

asking about dietary habits. There was no difference in risk among 

people who ate eggs less than once a week compared with those who ate 

more than one egg a day. The only increase in heart disease risk was 

seen in diabetics, both men and women. Since most diabetes is 

associated with obesity, this may be a link in how well people handle 

the cholesterol in eggs."







Jerry McClurg <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>

'Now what I contend is that my body is my own, at least I have always so regarded it. 

If I do harm through my experimenting with it, it is I who suffers, not the state.'

 - Mark Twain



Disclaimer: The information contained in this document is for educational purposes only.  

It is not intended to diagnose or prescribe treatment for any medical condition. 

All info given is only my opinion, and should never be taken to replace competent, professional 

medical advice.  (BTW: Good luck in finding a competent Dr.)









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Garlic

From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@thc-tsg.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:57:03 -0600 (MDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@thc-tsg.com>:



Several people have suggested garlic or garlic capsules.  The latest 

research indicates that for garlic to do its work, you must cut it up at least 

10 -15 minutes before cooking.  The cutting releases two chemicals that 

must interact to form allicin.   So even if you do use a head in your 

cooking, if you cut it up and throw it in the pot right away, you won't 

actually get much but taste from it.   We peel and cut the cloves in pieces 

and then keep them in a container.  We do about what we will use for a 

couple of days.   That way when we cook, we always have some that is 

ready to use and has been 'activated'.



On 29 Apr 99, at 21:23 herb-digest wrote: 



> Subject: Re: High cholesterol remedy sought......

> 

> Thanks Julie, but if that were the case I should have an extremely low

> level. My husband and I grow our own garlic and always have tons of it on

> hand. We use no less than 1 whole head of garlic in EVERYTHING we cook. We

> are garlic fiends.



Gerald W McClurg/ Director/ Technical Services Group







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Stevia

From: "Bill & Judy Henry" <henry@cyberus.ca>

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 04:31:42 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Bill & Judy Henry" <henry@cyberus.ca>:



Hi Folks



There has recently been an e-mail article floating around about the dangers

of Aspartame in diet pop and artificial sweetners. It suggests that Stevia

is a safe sweetner to use. Any comments? What form is it used in?



Judy





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Stevia

From: Wkniii@ecr.net

Date: 30 Apr 1999 08:55:24 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Wkniii@ecr.net:



Hi Judy,

    Stevia is available in powder form. It sells in most health food

stores in a container about 8 oz or so. Stevia is used in lieu of sugar

and is about 100 times sweeter. Therefore very little is used to obtain

the same "sweetness". It is suggested to use 1/8 tsp to every cup of

regular cane sugar normally used. The price of a bottle of stevia is

usually around $8 and will certainly last one a lifetime given the

amounts used per serving.





Julie

Homer, Ohio







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu>

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:06:24 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu>:



Wkniii@ecr.net wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Wkniii@ecr.net:

> 

> Hi Judy,

>     Stevia is available in powder form. It sells in most health food

> stores in a container about 8 oz or so. Stevia is used in lieu of sugar

> and is about 100 times sweeter. Therefore very little is used to obtain

> the same "sweetness". It is suggested to use 1/8 tsp to every cup of

> regular cane sugar normally used. The price of a bottle of stevia is

> usually around $8 and will certainly last one a lifetime given the

> amounts used per serving.



I have also seen it available in liquid form: a 2oz bottle is about

$10.95, but you probably only need a drop or two in a cup of coffee.



You can also buy the plants and grow yer own. :)



-- 

           Diana Cascioli | Cattle die, kindred die,

        GW Graphic Design | Every man is mortal:

            raven@gwu.edu | But the good name never dies 

gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~raven | Of one who has done well





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:41:43 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 4/30/99 10:02:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, raven@gwu.edu 

writes:



<< It is suggested to use 1/8 tsp to every cup of

 > regular cane sugar normally used. The price of a bottle of stevia is

 > usually around $8 and will certainly last one a lifetime given the

 > amounts used per serving.

 

 I have also seen it available in liquid form: a 2oz bottle is about

 $10.95, but you probably only need a drop or two in a cup of coffee.

  >>

Something to consider - make your own.  This stuff is extremely lite and 

powdery and a little goes a long way.  The stuff you get  in the health food 

store in a bottle probably has less than 1/8 teaspoon in the one ounce 

bottle.  I estimate that you could get 30-40 bottles worth or more from an 

ounce of the stuff which we sell for $10.00.  This is not a solicitation - 

merely an illustration - go to the local health food store and see if they 

have it - you should not be paying more than $12-14 for an ounce of the white 

powdered extract which is probably 20 times more potent than the green 

powdered leaf.  You can then make a 2 ounce bottle with dropper AND have 

enough to attempt some cooking with - 

Peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: Goody <goody2shz@yahoo.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:31:24 -0700 (PDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Goody <goody2shz@yahoo.com>:



You can buy stevia drops, crushed herb or white powder

(stevioside).  I've never used the drops or crushed

herb but I've heard from others that it has an herby

or licorice-like taste.  I have used the white powder.

It is refined & has, to me, a faint alcohol-like

taste.  Tastewise, I believe the white powder is

generally agreed to be the best.  Hope that helps.



Goody



--- Wkniii@ecr.net wrote:

> To herb@MyList.net from Wkniii@ecr.net:

> 

> Hi Judy,

>     Stevia is available in powder form. It sells in

> most health food

> stores in a container about 8 oz or so. Stevia is

> used in lieu of sugar

> and is about 100 times sweeter. Therefore very

> little is used to obtain

> the same "sweetness". It is suggested to use 1/8 tsp

> to every cup of

> regular cane sugar normally used. The price of a

> bottle of stevia is

> usually around $8 and will certainly last one a

> lifetime given the

> amounts used per serving.

> 

> 

> Julie

> Homer, Ohio

> 

> 



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To: "herb@MyList.net" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: bone healing and diabetes

From: Alice Newton <anewton@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:40:54 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Alice Newton <anewton@earthlink.net>:



My mother is 60 years old with several serious health problems she has

had most of her adult life. She has Type I diabetes, scleroderma,

rheumatoid arthritis, Reynauds (sp?) disease, and a few other misc.

conditions.  She's taking Humilin (human insulin), Reglan (digestive

aid), Motrin,  and a load of other meds that I can't remember right now

for all these things. She had a leg amputation about seven years ago

because of gangrene, and was so ill then the doctors told us she'd die.

She was a heavy smoker for over thirty years, until six weeks in a coma

and on a ventilator (because of the gangrene) cured her of that

addiction.  She's kept her weight down and is doing quite well for all

her problems, and is still able to drive, keep her house, and manage her

affairs.  She got along fine with her prothsethis until about two years

ago she jumped out of bed (dreamed she still had two legs) and broke her

femur very badly right above the knee.  The docs operated and placed

pins, etc. in it, then put her on a medication that was supposed to

"make the calcium go to her bones".  Instead this particular med

accumulated so much fluid around her heart and in her chest cavity that

she had to be rehopitalized to draw fluid, and be treated for heart

failure.  They eventually took over two liters of fluid out of her chest

cavity (all clear, no apparent infection.) No one knows why or what

really happened, but these symptoms stopped when the medication was

stopped.  Her bones never healed together and she's been in a wheelchair

ever since with limited mobility with a walker. Now the docs want to do

more surgery to put in more pins and a plate to try to get the bones to

heal so she can get back on her feet.  She obviously can't go back on

the "bone-healing" medicine again. Can anyone suggest treatments that

will encourage bone healing without making her blood sugar levels go

crazy? Or interfere with or react badly with the other meds she's

taking?  I will find out what all the other meds are this weekend when I

go to see her, if that will help. She's also dealing with depression,

understandably, but won't admit it. She's on Medicare with a very

limited income, so our choice of doctors is quite limited. Any advice

will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks for your help.



Alice Newton

anewton@earthlink.net







