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Subject: Re: Kidney stones

From: "Kinney/Reid" <kinney-reid@email.msn.com>

Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:16:59 -0800

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My ex had the sound (or was it laser) treatment where they break up the

kidney stone and it passes. It worked great. Not an herbal remedy, but MUCH

less invasive than surgery for removal. I hope your wife has this option

rather than surgery.

g'luck

ember









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Subject: Re: Kidney stones

From: MBR@nospam.please (MBR)

Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:13:08 GMT

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On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:13:58 +0100, "eleni" <ell-my@online.no> wrote:



>I have got rid of kidney stones by drinking tea made from "Solidago

>serotina"  I`m sorry, but I don`t know the english word for it, so I write

>the latin.  In norwegian it`s called "gullris".  



Just tracked it down... it's english name is 'Late Goldenrod'.



If we can get hold of it we will give i a try!



mbr





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Subject: Re: Another lurker surfacing for air

From: Julia <JPH@mistylaw.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:18:47 +0000

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HerbAssist <herbassist@aol.com> writes

>>I have psoriasis.  It first showed up a few months after my

>>dad died in 1985, and it's been here ever since.  Since I've quit

>>smoking, it's flared up a lot, and I'm looking for help.  The doctor

>>gave me prescriptions for stuff I can rub on my head, and on my body,

>>but I was hoping to find an internal solution, if you like.  Again, if

>>you have any suggestions, or if you could aim me in a particular

>>direction, I would be grateful.

>>

>

>I recommend coleus forskohlii, or jujube dates, and yerba mate' mixed together.

>Psoriasis occurs from a rise of  cyclic guianine monophosphate (cGMP). Cyclic

>adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) normally balances cGMP. Though in psoriasis

>there is an elevation of cGMP, but not cAMP. The extra cGMP causes excess

>cellular division. Coleus forskohlii will raise cAMP levels, and jujube dates

>are a cAMP source. The mate' prevents the breakdown of cAMP by liver enzymes.

>I also recommend using quercetin, a bioflavonoid which can be purchased in

>health food stores.

>Figwort tea applied to affected areas is also helpful.

>You should also avoid caffeine, and alcohol.

>

I know someone who suffers from psoriasis and I'd like to pass on

your advice  Unfortunately I don't recognise any of the herbs you

have recommended (coleus forskohlii, or jujube dates, and yerba

mate', and figwort).  Do they grow only in America?  Figs and dates

are available here but I've never thought of them as medicinal.  I

suspect you have something else in mind.  Could you explain a little

more, please?

-- 

Julia





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Subject: Re: Another lurker surfacing for air

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 05:19:12 GMT

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>> >Psoriasis occurs from a rise of  cyclic guianine monophosphate (cGMP).

>> 

>> This is due to stress? 

>> 

>> ~*Jo*~

>

>Psoriasis is not caused by stress, but stress can be a significant factor

>in triggering an outbreak.

>

>John

>

 yes..i should have specified this in my question with "trigger" being the

operative word.:-)  I figured as much as stress,caffeine ,alcohol AND lack of

sleep  set off cold sores in me occasionally. 



Can you get into the specifics as to why lysine tablets and salacylic acid

would be of benefit when this happens. i know it works but not "how" it works

as I use a combination of these along with a "stress formula" B vitamin and

Zinc tabs with grat success. I'm hoping HerbAssist  or someone can explain it

all to me better than my "it just works" catch all phrase. <grin>  



 TIA.

~*Jo*~ 









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Subject: Re: Another lurker surfacing for air

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 20:28:36 GMT

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>>Can you get into the specifics as to why lysine tablets and salacylic acid

>>would be of benefit when this happens.

>

>I never heard of lysine being used for psoriasis, so I assume you mean for

>the

>cold sores? 



Yes,they all were in regardsto cold sores..and thank you so much for all the

specifics. I knew I could count on you to help me undertand the mechanism of

action better. (-_-)

Peace,

~*Jo*~ 





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Subject: Re: Another lurker surfacing for air

From: "Eddie" <jeb@cae.ca>

Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:39:49 -0500

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Hi there again !!  I just wanted to stop in and thank everyone for the

good wishes, and the congratulations, and for the hints on growing

plants indoors, and for ideas to help with the psoriasis problem.  I

am really happy with the feedback I've gotten here, especially

concerning the psoriasis.  I'm not a vain man (I think), but the looks

I get from people really bothers me.  So, Herb (Assist), Jo, John,

Julia, Ember, and Steve (all in order of posting <g>)...  Thank you

very much for all the thought and time you've put into this.  I guess

it's time to resubmerge and lurk again, and maybe one day when I know

enough about this subject, I'll surface with the intent of helping

someone else.  Of course I may resurface again just to annoy you with

new questions <G> ....  Have a really good day everyone !



Eddie











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Subject: Re: Need directions for growing echinacea

From: "John" <atimpact@netcom.ca>

Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:59:25 -0800

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Echinacea is very forgiving and easy to grow in Zone 5.  As soon as your

beds are workable in early April,  plant the seed just covering with soil.

The cool temp. of the soil until it warms up in late May will stratify the

seed.  These plants grow vigorously in sunny well drained locations - you

won't get any bloom until next year but you'll then have a supply for life

between new seed and dividing mature clumps.  No need to start the seed

indoors, you still won't get bloom this year in Zone 5.



John - Zone 5

Canada





"Chris Owens" <caowens@redsuspenders.com> wrote in message

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Raven Arani wrote:

>

> I have a package of echinacea purpurea and need to know how to grow it.

> There are no directions on the package other than "stratify".  I am in

> zone 5.

>

> First, what does it mean to stratify?

>

> Second, when should I plant them outside, how deep, how much sun should

> they get, what type of soil, etc.



Stratify by placing between damp paper towels in the fridge until they

sprout.  Then, plant in compost.  When the first true leaves appear,

begin hardening off.  Plant out in full sun in neutral-to-acid soil two

weeks after the last frost.



Chris Owens









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Subject: Re: Need directions for growing echinacea

From: "Chris & Mary Ellen Magoc" <cmmagoc@surferie.net>

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:36:38 -0500

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I have grown them in the spring without stratifying (leaving them in the

cold for a period of time = 6 weeks perhaps).  But they do take longer to

germinate.



I am also in zone 5.



Some folks stratify by putting seeds in fridg or freezer for a few weeks.

As I said, I've just sown mine (1/4" beneath good potting /seed mix) and

waited patiently.  I started them inside and then took them outside in May.

I put the small plants in the ground late in the summer, after growing them

in pots till they were bigger.  After you do get them, and you end up with

flowers, let the seeds fall where they may in the fall, and you'll have the

stratification done by Mother Nature.



-- Mary Ellen

Erie, PA

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

cmmagoc@surferie.net



"Raven Arani" <raven_arani@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:38bada56$0$40277@news.execpc.com...

> I have a package of echinacea purpurea and need to know how to grow it.

> There are no directions on the package other than "stratify".  I am in

> zone 5.

>

> First, what does it mean to stratify?

>

> Second, when should I plant them outside, how deep, how much sun should

> they get, what type of soil, etc.

>

> Thanks!

>

>

> --

> "I'll tell you something.  I am a wolf but I like to wear sheep's

> clothing.  I am a bonfire.  I am a vampire.  I'm waiting for my moment"

> -- Garbage - "Temptation Waits"

>

> "Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain that is

> pouring like an avalanche, coming down the mountain."     --Butthole

> Surfers - "Pepper"

>

> "The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more

> certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie

> through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but

> through striving after rational knowledge." - Albert Einstein

> (1879-1955)









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Subject: Need directions for growing echinacea

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2000 19:39:03 

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	 L> From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>



 L> I was happy with how rugged, forgiving, beautiful, etc.

 L> echinacea is. ... if so, I will transplant far and wide, hoping

 L> to naturalize. I am zone 4-5 in Maine.



>> One book I have indicated plants started from seed will produce

>> plants not true to type,



L, I've planted it for as many years as we've lived in Ok.  It is

native to these parts, and if it will naturalize here, ... well, it

*ought* to grow anywhere!   :)  I know that isn't necessarily true,

but I *was* surprised to read the above statement, (sorry, I cut

 out the person who added this... I really am sorry   :(  as mine has

always reproduced beautifully, and true to parent, as far as the

eye...  Whether it will do the same in your Mainer climate, I can't

say, but I can say that it is one happy sun-lover, here in Ok.  I

also planted it at my folk's place in Lower Alabama (also known

as LA   :)  and it seems to have done well there, also.  It does

need a home where it will receive plenty of sun, and where it's

feet won't stay wet...   :)



cheers,

wlsakowski



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Subject: Re: Need directions for growing echinacea

From: elspeth@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Elizabeth Naime)

Date: 21 Mar 2000 19:22:42 GMT

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What a great group!  I've just discovered youall.  This thread caught my

eye because I'm planting echinacea this year... as soon as I figure out

where it will naturalise best...



> >> One book I have indicated plants started from seed will produce

> >> plants not true to type,



Off the top of my head I'd expect that, as with many many plants, it

depends on the varitey.  Open-pollinated varieties and stable hybrids come

true from seed;  many of today's plants are not open pollinated nor

stable.  (And iirc, potatoes never come true from seed either, though it

can be fun to grow the seed out and see what you get!).



I know of two echinacea varieties that are widely available:  "purple

coneflower" and "white swan".  I'm pretty sure that "purple coneflower" is

the stable, old variety that will come true from seed and can be

naturalised.  I have no idea if "white swan" will or not, nor if it is

useful medicinally.



Not that enlightening, but what do you expect for two cents these days?

;-)



Elizabeth Naime





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Subject: Re: Need directions for growing echinacea

From: Rosemarie <knots@mint.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:50:19 +0000

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I, too, live in Maine and am able to grow all the echinacea's except for

E. angustifolia. One Winter, when there was not sufficient snow cover

for the extended freeze/thaw action that occurred in January, I did

loose a couple of the plants.

Rosemarie



WL Sakowski wrote:

> 

>          L> From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

> 

>  L> I was happy with how rugged, forgiving, beautiful, etc.

>  L> echinacea is. ... if so, I will transplant far and wide, hoping

>  L> to naturalize. I am zone 4-5 in Maine.

> 

> >> One book I have indicated plants started from seed will produce

> >> plants not true to type,

> 

> L, I've planted it for as many years as we've lived in Ok.  It is

> native to these parts, and if it will naturalize here, ... well, it

> *ought* to grow anywhere!   :)  I know that isn't necessarily true,

> but I *was* surprised to read the above statement, (sorry, I cut

>  out the person who added this... I really am sorry   :(  as mine has

> always reproduced beautifully, and true to parent, as far as the

> eye...  Whether it will do the same in your Mainer climate, I can't

> say, but I can say that it is one happy sun-lover, here in Ok.  I

> also planted it at my folk's place in Lower Alabama (also known

> as LA   :)  and it seems to have done well there, also.  It does

> need a home where it will receive plenty of sun, and where it's

> feet won't stay wet...   :)

> 

> cheers,

> wlsakowski





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Subject: Re: Need directions for growing echinacea

From: mouser <gmouser@iamnow.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:14:25 -0500

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Some asked about planting /harvesting also.



I  plant next year's crop in the fall. If it doesn't make it I'll

replant in

the spring. I did a 4'x4' area and plant the seed agian in the spring,

when

they come up I transplant the best plants into rows a foot apart and 6"

between plants. They like to be close.



Next fall, late summer, start popping off all the minor blossoms on the

largest plants leaving the top major ones to mature into seeds for your

next crop.  You only

need to do this on a couple of plants, the biggest and bestest ones, 5

or 6  nice big heads will give you more then a 1000 seeds. Once the

heads have matured pop them off and plant 1/2 directly and save the

other 1/2 for spring just in case the fall plant doesn't make it. Find a



place to dry the ones you save. After a week or so of dry weather, bag

them up. watch them for the next couple of day to see if there is any

moisture in the packaging.





mouser

















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Subject: Re: Need directions for growing echinacea

From: Brad Lucht <blucht@sprintmail.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:39:14 GMT

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:28:46 -0600, Raven Arani <raven_arani@my-deja.com> wrote:



>I have a package of echinacea purpurea and need to know how to grow it. 

>There are no directions on the package other than "stratify".  I am in

>zone 5.



I live in Kansas City, also zone 5.



I was completely ignorant when I planted my echinacea for the first time this spring.  I planted them in soiless potting

mix, in a Jiffy 7 greenhouse, then set the whole shebang on top of my growlite.  The heat of my light warmed the soil

and caused the seeds to germinate.  I then removed the plastic lid and placed them under the growlite.



Let me tell you, they germinated like crazy, easily 90% of the seeds.  Growth has been slow since then, but they are

very healthy.  I plan on giving a lot of these plants away.



-- Brad Lucht







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Subject: Re: Need directions for growing echinacea

From: k a & g <kaalga@mmpinet.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:28:00 -0500

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Brad Lucht wrote:



> On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:28:46 -0600, Raven Arani <raven_arani@my-deja.com> wrote:

>

> >I have a package of echinacea purpurea and need to know how to grow it.

> >There are no directions on the package other than "stratify".  I am in

> >zone 5.

>

> I live in Kansas City, also zone 5.

>

> I was completely ignorant when I planted my echinacea for the first time this spring.  I planted them in soiless potting

> mix, in a Jiffy 7 greenhouse, then set the whole shebang on top of my growlite.  The heat of my light warmed the soil

> and caused the seeds to germinate.  I then removed the plastic lid and placed them under the growlite.

>

> Let me tell you, they germinated like crazy, easily 90% of the seeds.  Growth has been slow since then, but they are

> very healthy.  I plan on giving a lot of these plants away.

>

> -- Brad Lucht



in zone 9, i just snipped the dried flower heads off and sprinkled them in a prepared area where i was planting luffa and

sunflowers. the luffa and sunflowers are about 4-6 in. high, and now i just noticed that i have these little teensie

echinacea plants (1 inch?) popping up all over. the ones i planted last summer are a bit taller. the ones that i planted as

transplants a few years ago (where i got the flower-head seeds--the grandmama plants) are even bigger and shooting up flower

stalks.



all from about the same amount of "nothing" several weeks ago. (the grandmama plants looked half dead about a month ago.)



i *love* plants that are easy to grow and dont require much attention. (lavender, scented geranium, rosemary, echinacea,

sunflowers, allysum, mint, thistles.....)



for zone 9, i have to say that a soaker hose (barely on) has worked wonders in my spring garden for the scented g.'s and the

older echinaceas. (along with the pansies, marigolds and cherry tomato plants)



of course, spring started for me beginning of Feb....eat yer hearts out upper zones! <G>

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Subject: Re: Need directions for growing echinacea

From: "Deb" <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:08:33 -0800

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mouser <gmouser@iamnow.net> wrote in message

news:38DBEE74.989C6F0E@iamnow.net...

>

>

> LeeAnne wrote:

>

> > Let me give ya fair warning. . . woodchuck's love it - that's why mine

> > hasn't grown :-(

>

> Woodchucks LOVE the young one. They'll eat 2nd year but only after they

eat

> your first years corp. They didn't touch my 3rd year corp. I didn't give

them

> much of a chance, got it with a have a heart trap and released many miles

away

> in the woods.

>

> mouser

>

> >



Now I have to deal with the poor, homesick animal.



I've found bird netting will protect quite a few young plants.



Deb - who wishes people would stop thinking that transplanting animals is

the way to live with nature









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Subject: Re: Can a Herbal Shampoo Help?

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 02:21:01 GMT

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>If I use a herbal shampoo can it help with hairloss at all? What are

>some key ingredients to look for and stay away from?

>



First of all,  there is nothing besides propecia or Rogaine that will grow hair

back.  However, I commented to a Native American friend of mine who is elderly.

 I asked him why was it that most natives have full heads of hair throughout

their lives.  He responded by saying that they use a "tea" or rinse of white

sage.  Just make a "tea" out of it and rinse your hair.  He claims this will

make your hair stronger and not fall out.  He did tell me that he knew nothing

of how to get it to grow back, though.



-out

Jason





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Subject: Re: Can a Herbal Shampoo Help?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 04:21:36 GMT

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This is like music to my ears!  I've tried every shampoo and conditioner on the

market, spent gobs of money trying to get my hair in the best condition

possible while I try to grow it all out.  Everytime my hair gets to my

shoulders, it just BREAKS off, therefore my hair remains shoulder length

forever, and this drives me MAD!  :o)  I need to do two things......trim split

ends before they break off and mend my hair and strengthen it with a white sage

rinse (tea).  I'm thrilled!!!!!   YAY!



Diana



>Gammon Jason wrote:



>First of all,  there is nothing besides propecia or Rogaine that will grow

>hair

>back.  However, I commented to a Native American friend of mine who is

>elderly.

> I asked him why was it that most natives have full heads of hair throughout

>their lives.  He responded by saying that they use a "tea" or rinse of white

>sage.  Just make a "tea" out of it and rinse your hair.  He claims this will

>make your hair stronger and not fall out.  He did tell me that he knew

>nothing

>of how to get it to grow back, though.

>

>-out

>Jason









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Subject: Re: Can a Herbal Shampoo Help?

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 05:09:25 GMT

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>I asked him why was it that most natives have full heads of hair throughout

>their lives.  He responded by saying that they use a "tea" or rinse of white

>sage. 



I have also hear that a strong tea made of wild cherry bark will have the same

affect but will also actually help restore hair growth . Sage will also restore

your natural color once you have begun to go grey,as well.  



Peace,

~*Jo*~





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Subject: Re: Can a Herbal Shampoo Help?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 13:46:30 GMT

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Sage I have on hand, I have no wild cherry bark, but it looks like I'll be

getting some!   I'm not gray yet, but I sure could use some help with nice,

full, healthy hair that GROWS longer than my shoulders.  I've been trying to

grow my hair for several years now!  



Thanks for the wild cherry bark suggestions, Jo!



Diana



Jo wrote:





>I have also hear that a strong tea made of wild cherry bark will have the

>same

>affect but will also actually help restore hair growth . Sage will also

>restore

>your natural color once you have begun to go grey,as well.  

>

>Peace,

>~*Jo*~

>









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Subject: Re: Can a Herbal Shampoo Help?

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 20:38:44 GMT

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>Sage I have on hand, I have no wild cherry bark, but it looks like I'll be

>getting some!   I'm not gray yet, but I sure could use some help with nice,

>full, healthy hair that GROWS longer than my shoulders.  I've been trying to

>grow my hair for several years now!  

>

>Thanks for the wild cherry bark suggestions, Jo!

>

>Diana

>

I just got a new issue of some little email  newsletter today and they just

happen to have mentiond that capsicum (Cayenne)  ,3 caps a day, will increase

bloodflow to the scalp and thusly promote strong hair growth and prevent

baldness before it happens.  lol! I guess another one for the books. 



Peace,

~*Jo*~ 









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Subject: Re: Can a Herbal Shampoo Help?

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:23:59 GMT

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>I have also hear that a strong tea made of wild cherry bark will have the

>same

>affect but will also actually help restore hair growth . Sage will also

>restore

>your natural color once you have begun to go grey,as well.  



Thanks, Jo I was just going to mention that.



Jason





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Subject: Re: Can a Herbal Shampoo Help?

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 09:53:20 -0500

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I'm not sure if you mean tea to apply to the scalp, or tea to drink. If you

are thinking of drinking it, I'd check the literature first. I think I've

heard that some portions of wild cherry plant contains cyanide. I know the

wilted leaves have a high concentration- but I can't remember what it said

about the bark Check it out before you drink it..



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



Jo <peacedawge@aol.comgarbage> wrote in message

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> >I asked him why was it that most natives have full heads of hair

throughout

> >their lives.  He responded by saying that they use a "tea" or rinse of

white

> >sage.

>

> I have also hear that a strong tea made of wild cherry bark will have the

same

> affect but will also actually help restore hair growth . Sage will also

restore

> your natural color once you have begun to go grey,as well.

>

> Peace,

> ~*Jo*~









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Subject: Re: Can a Herbal Shampoo Help?

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:21:12 -0500

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That would be the dashboard, whence spills much coffee with those desert

jackrabbit starts..



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



Kinney/Reid <kinney-reid@email.msn.com> wrote in message

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> I spend so much of the year in mine (part time desert rat escaping from

> Seattle) that mine isn't just an alter-ego, it's an altar.

> ember

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

>

>









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Subject: Re: Can a Herbal Shampoo Help?

From: "Kinney/Reid" <kinney-reid@email.msn.com>

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:14:55 -0800

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Yup. Started down canyon one morning with a mocha on the dash and then in my

tape box! Augh. Never have I moved so fast to clean anything. Saved most of

em too! Now I drink tea...it's easier on the tapes.....kinder to my bod.

Nice to me ya.

ember











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Subject: Re: Can a Herbal Shampoo Help?

From: "Debra Lehman" <lavlhm@losch.net>

Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 16:42:36 GMT

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Jo <peacedawge@aol.comgarbage> wrote in message

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> >I asked him why was it that most natives have full heads of hair

throughout

> >their lives.  He responded by saying that they use a "tea" or rinse of

white

> >sage.

>



>  Sage will also restore

> your natural color once you have begun to go grey,as well.

>

> Peace,

> ~*Jo*~



By white sage do you mean the common garden variety of Sage??



Deb









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Subject: Re: Can a Herbal Shampoo Help?

From: "Selene" <tobalina@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:13:15 -0800

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> By white sage do you mean the common garden variety of Sage??

>

> Deb



No. White sage is different than garden or culinary sage. It's actually

white, not greenbut otherwise looks the same. You may have seen it dried and

bundled for burning to purify the air.

Selene









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Subject: The "Other" Goldenseal

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 02:29:47 GMT

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Ward of Warning to users of Herbs for health.  Don't be taken in by the price

of Goldenseal.  The other day I went to a local shop and they were selling it

for $20 an ounce!  There is an herb that contains the same *active* ingrediant

as Goldenseal in almost equal concentrations.  The herb is Barbarry, and I got

it for $1.99 an ounce!!!!



just to inform...

-out

Jason





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Subject: Re: The "Other" Goldenseal

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 05:05:00 GMT

--------

>Ward of Warning to users of Herbs for health.  Don't be taken in by the price

>of Goldenseal.  The other day I went to a local shop and they were selling it

>for $20 an ounce!  There is an herb that contains the same *active*

>ingrediant

>as Goldenseal in almost equal concentrations.  The herb is Barbarry, and I

>got

>it for $1.99 an ounce!!!!

>

>just to inform...

>-out

>Jason



 Plus.....isn't goldenseal still considered endangered anyhow? That would

explain why they are asking such an exhorbtiant price for it as well.

......









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Subject: Re: The "Other" Goldenseal

From: Bentley <bentl3y@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:06:35 GMT

--------

In article <20000301000500.10722.00002611@ng-da1.aol.com>,

  peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo) wrote:

> >Ward of Warning to users of Herbs for health.  Don't be taken in by

the price

> >of Goldenseal.  The other day I went to a local shop and they were

selling it

> >for $20 an ounce!  There is an herb that contains the same *active*

> >ingrediant

> >as Goldenseal in almost equal concentrations.  The herb is Barbarry,

and I

> >got

> >it for $1.99 an ounce!!!!

> >

> >just to inform...

> >-out

> >Jason

>

>  Plus.....isn't goldenseal still considered endangered anyhow? That

would

> explain why they are asking such an exhorbtiant price for it as well.

> ......



Goldenseal is pretty rare, and difficult to grow. There are lots of

other, more common plants that alco contain berberine, and a few others

that also contain hydrastine, which are chemicals generally held

responisible for much of goldenseal's effects. Berberis and Mahonia

(barbary and oregon grape)would be the ones that are known contain

hydrastine.





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Subject: Re: More warts

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 02:33:57 GMT

--------

>For many years I`ve had a few warts around my collar bones, but now I`m

>getting lots all over my throat.  They are small, but many and getting

>closer and closer to my face.  I would appriciate all kinds of advice.

>Thank you.

>Thekla



If you are talking about what I think you are then they are refered to as

"flaps".  There flesh coloured and are usual flat or else shaped like a "flap".

 This condition is genetic so there is nothing you can do for it.  You will

experience more as you age.  I also have this and I peck at them all the time,

especialy the ones on my hands.



-out

Jason





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Subject: Herbal teas

From: mtherbs@aol.com (Mt herbs)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 02:48:02 GMT

--------

There's a new newsletter which had an article in last  about herbal teas. I

haven't tried any of the recipes but a friend of mine who is opening a tea room

just loves the lemon grass one. I'm not much for tea  myself. Maybe if you

contact them they can provide you a back issue. e-mail them at herbgal@msn.com.

They also have a section of questions and answers. It's more about about

general herbs rather than medecinal but it mightgive you some suggestions. >

How Do I Prepare Fresh Dried Herbs for Tea?









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Subject: Re: Herbs to get rid of pimples

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 02:49:28 GMT

--------

>That never helped me.  i believe it is generally reagrded as not spread

>by bacterial infection, rather hormonal imbalances cause nasty changes

>in the pores, and bacteria get trapped and grow opportunistically



It is caused by bacterial infections.  When pores become clogged from excess

oil then the bacteria that is present on everyones skin starts to rapidly grow

and reproduce.  Your body responds to this by sending white blood cells to the

area thus creating the *puss* of a pimple.  Now with blackheads there is no

infection, just blocking of the pores.



-out

Jason





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Subject: Re: Just Wondering

From: mtherbs@aol.com (Mt herbs)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 02:51:47 GMT

--------

growing herbs indoors works if you have a sunroom or a very, very sunny window.

They need full sun and good drainage.

As far as relaxation. Valerian in dream pillows works, as does lavender. It

just depends what you mean by relaxation





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Subject: Re: Just Wondering

From: "sos" <pauls@classXware.com.au>

Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 05:53:06 GMT

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Wouldn't a dirty sock be just as effective?



"Mt herbs" <mtherbs@aol.com> wrote in message

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> As far as relaxation. Valerian in dream pillows works,











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Subject: Re: Just Wondering

From: "John Anderson" <ring@compuplus.net>

Date: 1 Mar 2000 16:21:44 -0700

--------





Mt herbs <mtherbs@aol.com> wrote in article

<20000229215147.13866.00002657@ng-cl1.aol.com>...

> growing herbs indoors works if you have a sunroom or a very, very sunny

window.

> They need full sun and good drainage.



Artificial lighting works too.  Florescents, or high intensity lights such

as Halides can be fairly low cost and effective.

My favorite, (not very practical), I saw at the University of Arizona in

Tucson, a collector on the roof gathered sunlight and sent it via fiber

optics to  "lights" inside a building.

There are also some skylight type fixtures that work in a similar way but

are much more low tech. It allows you to get light to your plants without

overheating your living space. 

Nothing works as well as good old sunlight but the outdoor gardening season

is still a ways off where I live, a few growing things make the winter pass

more easily.



John 





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Subject: Just Wondering

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2000 13:50:29 

--------





	 SF> From: Sue F <s.flockhart@ic.ac.uk>



 SF> As for growing herbs -



***much very good info, deleted, in the interest of bandwidth***



 SF> ...basil will grow nicely on a kitchen windowsill, but usually

 SF> dies off after a year when it gets cold (for me anyway!).



Actually, it's probably because basil is an annual.



cheers,

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Subject: Re: Just Wondering

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:14:16 +0200

--------

"WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com> wrote:

> SF> ...basil will grow nicely on a kitchen windowsill, but usually

> SF> dies off after a year when it gets cold (for me anyway!).

>

>Actually, it's probably because basil is an annual.



I don't know. My windowsill basil thrived for two or three years, flowering

regularly... until I got tired of the basil taste and killed it off. Boy, was

-that- plant prolific!



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Just Wondering

From: "Andrew J Webb" <ajwebb@gil.com.au>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:37:05 +1000

--------

You should know better Henriette.  Yours was the first web site I started

learning about herbs from years ago.  Basil will survive winter inside the

house.

Andrew.



Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

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> "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com> wrote:

> > SF> ...basil will grow nicely on a kitchen windowsill, but usually

> > SF> dies off after a year when it gets cold (for me anyway!).

> >

> >Actually, it's probably because basil is an annual.

>

> I don't know. My windowsill basil thrived for two or three years,

flowering

> regularly... until I got tired of the basil taste and killed it off. Boy,

was

> -that- plant prolific!

>

> Henriette

>

> --

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Subject: Re: Just Wondering

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:59:08 +0200

--------

"Andrew J Webb" <ajwebb@gil.com.au> wrote:

>You should know better Henriette.  Yours was the first web site I started

>learning about herbs from years ago.  Basil will survive winter inside the

>house.



Yes, that's what I said.



Anyway, there are limits to my herbal knowledge. Don't ask too much about

culinary herb cultivation, or about Ayurvedic herbs, or Chinese herbs, or other

exotics (to me). Ask me about the growth habit and/or uses of Finnish or SW US

herbs and I can probably tell you. Ask me about tinctures, oils, teas, and

salves, and I can probably help. Don't ask me any therapeutic questions, I don't

do online consultations.



If you want to see just how widely I'm expected to range here's just a few of

the questions in my email inbox lately (if I did reply to any of these I pointed

them elsewhere):



* "What herbs were used in the 1600s? Please reply ASAP." (Do people 

  really think I have nothing better to do than do their research for them?)

* "Where can I find -insert exotic herb here-? It's VERY important." 

  (Right. Important to whom? And why do they think I know where to find 

  exotic herbs?)

* "Myrobalan was used for digestive problems. What's the latest research, 

  and where can I find dried herb?" (So you've done a web search. You 

  might have looked at the top of the page ... 1898 King's Dispensatory.)

* "I want to make a living as an herb grower. Which ones should I grow?" 

  (Heh. Don't ask me, ask your local -buyers-.)

* "Which brands of herb concentrates are good?" (I don't do brands nor

  concentrates. Ask me about those and I'll show you the woods, or a meadow.)



This one was weird:

* "You seem to be an expert on organic herbs. Please give me your phone 

  number." (I told them that I prefer email, and didn't hear from them again. 

  What do they want to tell me that they can't say over email? Something

  illegal? Or was this an weird attempt at stalking?)



Really, the very best question I've received went something like this:



* "First I'd like to thank you for the wonderful work you've done with 

  your page. 

  So much for buttering you up. 

  Now I have a question. I am writing an article on infused herbal oil 

  for medicinal uses and I'm having hard time finding out which 

  constituents the oil extracts from the herbal material. I looked through 

  your FAQ and didn't find any information beyond how to make several 

  types of infusions. I've looked though my herbals, 10 or so, and I'm 

  not finding that information there either. I'd appreciate any help 

  you can give."



The buttering-up part made me laugh so hard that I spluttered coffee into my

keyboard, and the question was pretty good too. Sadly, that one was over a year

ago. They just don't make questions like they used to anymore.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Just Wondering

From: crosseyedmaire@aol.com (CrossEyedMaire)

Date: 19 Mar 2000 15:03:06 GMT

--------

Andrew said... Basil will survive winter inside the

>>house.

I just got up this morning, went in the kitchen to water all the herbs I just

bought to be planted outside, and one pot of Sweet Basil is totally gone! (The

pot is still there, but the plant is gone) I immediately thought of this thread

and had to post.

I suppose it was one of my cats. Is this common with basil?? I thought it was

strange, myself!

~Ronnie





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Subject: Re: Just Wondering

From: crosseyedmaire@aol.com (CrossEyedMaire)

Date: 19 Mar 2000 15:07:20 GMT

--------

> "You seem to be an expert on organic herbs. Please give me your phone 

>  number." (I told them that I prefer email, and didn't hear from them again.

>

>  What do they want to tell me that they can't say over email? Something

>  illegal? Or was this an weird attempt at stalking?)

HAHAHA

Henriette, I liked this one best!

I am going to check out your website. I am a beginner in herb gardening so any

info is helpful!



~Ronnie







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Subject: Re: herbal tea

From: mtherbs@aol.com (Mt herbs)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 02:58:45 GMT

--------

Try basil ,chamomile and mint as a combination or sage,feverfew and chamomile.

These combos are good as a calmer and also as a headache reliever. There's a

great book called Herbal Tea Gardens which you might enjoy. 





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Subject: Catnip For People? Euphoric?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 04:24:30 GMT

--------





I just read in one of my library herbal books that a person can smoke catnip

and get mild euphoria from it, with no harm to the body.  Don't laugh.  I know

it sounds kooky, but I don't do drugs, and would love to try this as long as

it's not harmful!



Any opinions?

Diana





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Subject: Re: Catnip For People? Euphoric?

From: "Kay Henson" <no-one@nowhere.com>

Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 07:14:23 -0600

--------

Hehehe....

My cats went wild and got wasted off of catnip when I was a kid (a teenager)

so I tried smoking it myself. It tasted terrible and all I got was a nasty

headache.



-- Kay



http://www.herbcare.com



"Doolittle66" <doolittle66@aol.com> wrote in message

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>

>

> I just read in one of my library herbal books that a person can smoke

catnip

> and get mild euphoria from it, with no harm to the body.  Don't laugh.  I

know

> it sounds kooky, but I don't do drugs, and would love to try this as long

as

> it's not harmful!

>

> Any opinions?

> Diana









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Subject: Re: Catnip For People? Euphoric?

From: "Shiraz" <graphics@icon.co.za>

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:32:37 -0000

--------

Actually I've tried catnip tea, doesn't taste too good but did seem to have

a mild sedative effect, but that might have been psychosomatic.





Doolittle66 <doolittle66@aol.com> wrote in message

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>

>

> Oh no!  You got a headache?  I don't know if I want to give this a go or

not!

> Now you've got me worried!  :o)  I wish there was another way to get it

into

> the system, rather than smoking it.  Maybe a tea?  Hee hee!  Catnip

tea!!!!!

>

> Diana

>

> Kay wrote:

> >Hehehe....

> >My cats went wild and got wasted off of catnip when I was a kid (a

teenager)

> >so I tried smoking it myself. It tasted terrible and all I got was a

nasty

> >headache.

> >

> >-- Kay

>

>









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Subject: Catnip For People? Euphoric?

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2000 22:23:38 

--------





	 S> From: "Shiraz" <graphics@icon.co.za>



 S> ... tried catnip tea, doesn't taste too good but did seem to

 S> have a mild sedative effect, but that might have been

 S> psychosomatic.



Nope... it has a long history for this use... it has been used for

centuries, along with fennel seed (for the intestines/gas), in tea

form, for relief of colic in babies.  I've known more than one

that it's worked for, and few babies are 'suggestible' (sorry,

my word   :)  You can't fool them!   :)



cheers,

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Subject: Re: Catnip For People? Euphoric?

From: goddess_kitten@my-deja.com

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:05:45 GMT

--------

Actually, I've been reading about an infusion of catnip, damiena, and

kola nut for ADHD.  We've purchased a similar infusion for our children

that worked quite well.  It contained additional herbs, such as

chamomile.  I'd have to look at the label to tell the complete list of

ingredients.



Kitten







In article <20000301084332.18908.00003054@ng-ca1.aol.com>,

doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66) wrote:

>

>

> Oh no! You got a headache? I don't know if I want to give this a go or

not!

> Now you've got me worried! :o) I wish there was another way to get it

into

> the system, rather than smoking it. Maybe a tea? Hee hee! Catnip

tea!!!!!

>

> Diana

>

> Kay wrote:

> >Hehehe....

> >My cats went wild and got wasted off of catnip when I was a kid (a

teenager)

> >so I tried smoking it myself. It tasted terrible and all I got was a

nasty

> >headache.

> >

> >-- Kay

>

>

--

Light, Love, & Laughter,

Kitten

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miracle.

The other is as though everything is a miracle." -- Albert Einstein

(1879-1955)





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Subject: Re: Catnip For People? Euphoric?

From: bluhmoon@aol.com (BluhMoon)

Date: 27 Mar 2000 00:55:07 GMT

--------

>goddess_kitten@my-deja.com wrote:



>Actually, I've been reading about an infusion of catnip, damiena, and

>kola nut for ADHD.  We've purchased a similar infusion for our children

>that worked quite well.  It contained additional herbs, such as

>chamomile.  I'd have to look at the label to tell the complete list of

>ingredients.

>

>Kitten

>

Now, that's interesting!  I'm surprised to hear that damiana, catnip, and kola

nut would be the herbal mixture for ADHD, but then all three herbs might

possibly be intended to aid with concentration.  I don't know.  Has it been

effective for your children?  I can definitely see chamomile being good for a

"hyperactive" child!  :o)  I might have to research how much of it is safe for

my kids in a tea!  



Diana





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Subject: Re: Catnip For People? Euphoric?

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 02 Mar 2000 01:06:23 GMT

--------

It would seem to me that our lungs were not made to inhale smoke of any kind.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Catnip For People? Euphoric?

From: "Stratocat" <darrin@rochester.r.com>

Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 01:17:10 GMT

--------

Smoke a little pot if your looking for a mild euphoria.        ;-)













> I just read in one of my library herbal books that a person can smoke

catnip

> and get mild euphoria from it, with no harm to the body.  Don't laugh.  I

know

> it sounds kooky, but I don't do drugs, and would love to try this as long

as

> it's not harmful!

>

> Any opinions?

> Diana









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Subject: Re: Catnip For People? Euphoric?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 08 Mar 2000 21:37:57 GMT

--------



Stratocat wrote:

>Smoke a little pot if your looking for a mild euphoria.        ;-)



Hee hee.  Good idea.  BUT.....catnip is so easily found and bought and so

cheap!

:o)

Diana





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Subject: Re: Catnip For People? Euphoric?

From: Zaphod & Trillian <heart@gold.net>

Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:02:47 -0800

--------

Catnip tea is very refreshing and has about the same euphoric

effect for me as cutting fresh rosemary and smelling it.  :-)





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Subject: Re: Catnip For People? Euphoric?

From: "melody" <harpole@mailbox.orst.edu>

Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 13:56:16 -0800

--------

I've heard that catnip tea can make a person drowsy.  To someone with a

sleeping problem, that might be a Euphoric sensation.



Melody



Zaphod & Trillian wrote in message <38C098F7.4940@gold.net>...

>Catnip tea is very refreshing and has about the same euphoric

>effect for me as cutting fresh rosemary and smelling it.  :-)









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Subject: Re: Catnip For People? Euphoric?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 08 Mar 2000 21:39:00 GMT

--------





Sounds like the catnip is more for relaxation and sedation.....hmmmm...so much

for the euphoria.  Drat.

Thanks for everyone's input!!!  :o)



Diana





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Subject: Re: Catnip For People? Euphoric?

From: "Wolf Kestris Rowanwood" <wolffe@onslowonline.net>

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:39:07 -0500

--------

The psychoactive effects of catnip are still being debted. It is used as

both a culinary and medicinal herb tho. And is a feline aphrodisiac. . Its

used as a digestive aid after dinner and has been used to increase menstrual

flow to varying degrees when used in tea form.Its the smell of FRESH catnip

that really drives cats crazy, we humans can only sit back and be envious of

the feline's obvious enjoyment tho.



-Wolf

Doolittle66 wrote in message

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>

>

>I just read in one of my library herbal books that a person can smoke

catnip

>and get mild euphoria from it, with no harm to the body.  Don't laugh.  I

know

>it sounds kooky, but I don't do drugs, and would love to try this as long

as

>it's not harmful!

>

>Any opinions?

>Diana









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Subject: Re: Catnip For People? Euphoric?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 12 Mar 2000 02:16:28 GMT

--------





Increase menstrual flow?  Meaning, making it heavier, or do you mean making the

cycle more regular?  In the meantime, I should get some catnip for my kitty cat

anyway!  :o)  Thanks for the info and reply, Wolf!



Diana



>"Wolf Kestris Rowanwood" wrote:





>The psychoactive effects of catnip are still being debted. It is used as

>both a culinary and medicinal herb tho. And is a feline aphrodisiac. . Its

>used as a digestive aid after dinner and has been used to increase menstrual

>flow to varying degrees when used in tea form.Its the smell of FRESH catnip

>that really drives cats crazy, we humans can only sit back and be envious of

>the feline's obvious enjoyment tho.

>

>-Wolf









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Subject: Re: Herbs for colds

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 01 Mar 2000 05:11:25 GMT

--------

>> ...broken record time. Don't use goldenseal unless you grow your own. 



well that answered my question about Goldenseal still being endangered or

not.... :-) 





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Subject: Re: Herbs for colds

From: barkeep@brightok.net (Galen Starwalker)

Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:16:26 GMT

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On 01 Mar 2000 05:11:25 GMT, peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo) wrote:



>>> ...broken record time. Don't use goldenseal unless you grow your own. 

>

>well that answered my question about Goldenseal still being endangered or

>not.... :-) 



That it does...









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Subject: Re: Herbs for colds

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 5 Mar 2000 11:32:36 GMT

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>

Yellowroot, aka Xanthorhiza simplicissima is also great to use instead

of goldenseal.

>

Where do you find this yellowroot?  It is apparently not commercially available.

When I lived in Atlanta GA, goldenseal was called "yellow root", and a few

places sold small bunches of this yellow root, which was Hydrastis canadensis.

Also a few people advertised yellow root in the Farmers and Consumers Market

Bulletin.  I suppose things would be different now regarding goldenseal in

Georgia.



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Subject: Re: Herbs for colds

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:51:11 -0500

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And then there is goldthread, coptis groenlandica, sometimes known as

cankerroot.



--

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to stay inside the lines when parking.

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Thomas Mueller <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net> wrote in message

news:952255956.795357@news.bluegrass.net...

> >

> Yellowroot, aka Xanthorhiza simplicissima is also great to use instead

> of goldenseal.

> >

> Where do you find this yellowroot?  It is apparently not commercially

available.

> When I lived in Atlanta GA, goldenseal was called "yellow root", and a few

> places sold small bunches of this yellow root, which was Hydrastis

canadensis.

> Also a few people advertised yellow root in the Farmers and Consumers

Market

> Bulletin.  I suppose things would be different now regarding goldenseal in

> Georgia.

>

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>









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Subject: Re: Herbs for colds

From: LindaN <lindan@aiconnect.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:16:16 -0500

--------

On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:55:16 +0200, Henriette Kress

<hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:



>kpowis@home.com wrote:

>

>>Hyssop as a tea works well for catarrh.  Use echinacea at the first sign

>>of a cold or flu and use echinacea with goldenseal if the cold or flu is

>>well established.

>

>...broken record time. Don't use goldenseal unless you grow your own. Use

>Mahonia or Berberis root instead, they are easy to grow.

>

>Henriette



Well I sure wish a lot of wholistic physiciains would get the message

about Goldenseal, its endangered status, and the herbal alternatives

available, because around here, whenever any wholistic physician wants

to give an herb instead of a drug for infection, it seems they only

know goldenseal.



I see Environmental Medicine physicians prescribing it now for every

patient they see for candida, or vaginal infections, or whatever, if

the patient has bad reactions to antibiotics.  Its as if they think

the only choice is either a drug or goldenseal.  And its hard for me

to deal with this situation in the MCS clients that call me up.



By U.S. law, and by ethics, I cannot tell them not to take what their

physicians prescribe for them. I can only try to gently educate them

that there  are alternatives to goldenseal out there and that

certainly goldenseal is not the herb of choice for every infection

under the sun either.  And I attempt to educate them about

Goldenseal's endangered status.



However, most of the MCS clients that call me know zip about herbs and

most of them, having severe reactions to almost everything around

anyway, are as frightened of herbs as they are of drugs.  So their

fear has them take whatever their doctors order without question.



I find that my own MCS physician as well is now too hooked on

goldenseal as a substitute for antibiotics and try telling a doctor

anything!



Just some observations. 



Linda

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Subject: Re: Clayton College??

From: "Debra Carter" <didic1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:11:01 -0800

--------



~*demetria*~ <demetria@vermontel.net> wrote in message

news:sb67cbp0r2a16@corp.supernews.com...

> Does Anyone have information on Clayton College of Natural Health and has

> anyone gone hreough their programs? Any help would be useful

> Demetria

>

> website is http://www.ccnh.edu    Clayton is located in Birmingham,

Alabama and the phone number is 1-800-659-8274. the school will send you a

free catalogue if you call and ask, or you may order it online via their

website. it is a reputable college,not a degree mill. The MD who heads the

faculty was formerly at the University of Alabama in Birmingham and wrote a

book called Psychodietetics. I am considering getting an external degree

through Clayton myself, as they offer a specialty in herbology. Hope this

helps.









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Subject: Re: Ants

From: shinma <shinma1.NOSPAM@invalid.hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 07:24:12 GMT

--------

I know you were not looking for things people have only "heard" to be

true, but in the same vein as the cayenne, I have had several friends

say they leave out cinnamon for the ants to kill them.  It's worked in

two houses so far.  I haven't tried it as our ant problem was solved by

the caulking.



Michelle





Jim Hauser wrote:

> 

> Here in South Mississippi we use leftover crab boil (mostly cayenne pepper)

> to pour around ant runs and hills. It works best when it is still hot

> (before the potatoes cool off... :-)

> 

> Bilherbs <bilherbs@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:20000223204951.00874.00000530@ng-de1.aol.com...

> > We live in a barn. We have lots of critters. We would love to keep some of

> them

> > outside where they belong. The flies I can live with but the ants make me

> nuts.

> > I don't want anything that will just keep them away, I want to kill the

> > suckers. Anybody give me some tried and true solutions. Don't bother

> posting

> > something you've heard will work or read about. Just things you've seen

> work.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Belinda





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Subject: Re: Ants

From: Zaphod & Trillian <heart@gold.net>

Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 20:59:04 -0800

--------

I have pennyroyal planted around the border of my garden to keep

the ants out.  It is a natural ant repellant.  Since ants carry

aphids on to the vegetables, I do not want ants in the garden.

Since I put the pennyroyal around the garden, there are no ants

in the garden. :-)





P & J wrote:

> 

> I had been using the Boric Acid solution for several years.  I kept

> containers of it placed around the outside of the house.  It worked some

> but last summer the ants were so bad it was not noticeable.  Before they

> would only show up in the kitchen and the bathroom.  Last summer they

> were in every room of the house.  They could not have ben looking for

> food or water for the only rooms in the house we have food  is in the

> kitchen or dining room.  This is the first winter I did not have the

> ants in the house.  They usually show up as soon as the weather cools

> off also when the we start to get rain.  So far the ants have stayed

> outside where they belong.

> 

> This summer is also the first time we did not have the swimming pool

> look like someone has peppered the pool.  By the end of each summer the

> ants would be all over the pool.

>





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Subject: strokes etc

From: "Wons" <wons@runnaway.com>

Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:38:03 +0330

--------

Is there a herb that is recommended for the preventing of strokes, high bp

and cleaning out placque from the arteries?  I heard that Ginkgo is good for

strokes and heart attack.  Does it clean out the old arteries over a period

of time?









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Subject: Re: strokes etc

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:31:31 GMT

--------

>Is there a herb that is recommended for the preventing of strokes, high bp

>and cleaning out placque from the arteries?  I heard that Ginkgo is good for

>strokes and heart attack.  Does it clean out the old arteries over a period

>of time?





Ginko is good, especialy in improving memory function after strokes.  I would

also recoment Garlic for bringing down high cholesterol levels, and ginseng for

overall health and vigor.  Now don't forget about the benifits of asprin to

prevent heart attacks.  Just a little added info on asprin, I asked my doctor

if taking willow bark would also prevent heart attack and he told me no, due to

the extremely low concentration of the substance so it looks like you would

have to take the pill form to get the benefits.  Also please make sure anything

you do is with the supervision of a doctor.  I am assuming that you, or the

person who had the stroke, has already seen a qualified medical profesional

about this.



Jason





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Subject: Re: strokes etc

From: Krow <krow@delphinus.free-online.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:46:16 +0000

--------

On Wed, 01 Mar 2000, Wons wrote:

>Is there a herb that is recommended for the preventing of strokes, high bp

>and cleaning out placque from the arteries?  I heard that Ginkgo is good for

>strokes and heart attack.  Does it clean out the old arteries over a period

>of time?

This is not going to make me popular...................

There is strong evidence to suggest that Cannabis can help prevent secondary

strokes.

I can't recall the source or reasearch right now but the active ingredient

(THC, Tetra-HydroCannibol) works directly on the brain cells and protects them

from the effects of a stroke.



Krow





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Subject: Re: strokes etc

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 5 Mar 2000 11:32:34 GMT

--------

>

Is there a herb that is recommended for the preventing of strokes, high bp

and cleaning out placque from the arteries?  I heard that Ginkgo is good for

strokes and heart attack.  Does it clean out the old arteries over a period

of time?

>

One herb recommended for high bp and preventing heart trouble is hawthorn

berries, perhaps leaves & flowers too.  Onions and garlic are also recommended.

Nutritious diet is important too.



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Subject: strokes etc

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2000 20:32:32 

--------





	 W> From: "Wons" <wons@runnaway.com>



 W> Is there a herb that is recommended for the preventing of

 W> strokes, high bp and cleaning out placque from the arteries?

 W> I heard that Ginkgo is good for strokes and heart attack.

 W> Does it clean out the old arteries over a period of time?



You might read up on Chickweed.



cheers,

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Subject: Re: Otto Richter and Sons

From: "AltNature Online Herbal" <nature@edge.net>

Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:30:04 -0600

--------

There is tons of info there on growing and using herbs, a great site to see

whether you are buying or not!

K. Shelton

http://altnature.com



>They are now known as Richters Herbs and can be reached at

>www.richters.com









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Subject: Pregnancy

From: "Rena & Wayne" <renawayne@coastalnet.com>

Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 20:08:21 GMT

--------

What kind of herbs/herbal teas does anyone recommend for one that is

pregnant to assist with the pain and other thing associated with pregnancy.

Also for a migraine sufferer who is pregnant. I am trying to find a natural

way to help my wife.



Thanks Wayne



Please email wwollmann@hotmail.com









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Subject: Re: Pregnancy

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 02 Mar 2000 03:09:39 GMT

--------





>What kind of herbs/herbal teas does anyone recommend for one that is

>pregnant to assist with the pain and other thing associated with pregnancy.

>Also for a migraine sufferer who is pregnant. I am trying to find a natural

>way to help my wife.

>

>Thanks Wayne



None.  Pregnant women should not ingest any chemicals wether or not they are

derived form pill or herbs.  The side effects to the infant is just to high. 

Even the mother ingesting to much caffeine durring pregnancy has been linked to

learning disabilities to the child later on in life.  Also there a lot of herbs

out there that have high *estrogen* like chemicals that can physicaly interfere

with the developement of the child.  For instance, the pseudo-estrogen found in

yams has been proven to cause defects in the development of male genetalia of

rats and similiar studies are being conducted currently to see if there is any

correlation in human society with pregnant mothers who come from cultures where

yams are a stable.



Jason





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Subject: Re: Pregnancy

From: squimjam@aol.comskwoosh (Zz Da Squiminator zZ)

Date: 02 Mar 2000 06:59:23 GMT

--------

>None.  Pregnant women should not ingest any chemicals wether or not they are

>derived form pill or herbs.  The side effects to the infant is just to high. 



Yer' an idiot or just high.Your facts are not even close to the truth in

regardsto herbal teas which by the way this woman was asking about. Even

regular tea and coffee has been proven to be safe in moderation during

pregnancy. Some herbs are actully tonifying to the uterus during pregnancy and

childbirth made easier,such as Raspberry leaf.Where have you been living? In a

cave or somethin' ? who the heck is going to make YAM tea? What does that have

to do with the question she asked ya dork?







Fear is an acid which is pumped into one's atmosphere. It causes mental, moral

and spiritual asphyxiation, and sometimes death; death to energy and all

growth.

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Subject: Re: Pregnancy

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 11:05:29 +0200

--------

squimjam@aol.comskwoosh (Zz Da Squiminator zZ) wrote:



>>None.  Pregnant women should not ingest any chemicals wether or not they are

>>derived form pill or herbs.  The side effects to the infant is just to high. 

>

>Yer' an idiot or just high.Your facts are not even close to the truth in

>regardsto herbal teas which by the way this woman was asking about. Even

>regular tea and coffee has been proven to be safe in moderation during

>pregnancy. Some herbs are actully tonifying to the uterus during pregnancy and

>childbirth made easier,such as Raspberry leaf.Where have you been living? In a

>cave or somethin' ? who the heck is going to make YAM tea? What does that have

>to do with the question she asked ya dork?



Whoa there. While your sentiment might run away with you there is no call for

namecalling. You might find above post well-deserved or even amusing, but you

should know that most people will just delete your post on reading your first

line, and killfile you to boot. So that in the end you defeat your purpose with

abusive posts.



To the issue at hand: yes, the general rule for herbs is that you don't use them

unless you know that a given herb is harmless for pregnancy. Your example,

raspberry leaf, actually leaves something to be desired: raspberry leaf is not

recommended in the first three months of pregnancy. After that, yes, it's safe.

A better herb to start with would be Lady's Mantle, Alchemilla sp.



When it comes to the choice between herbs and OTC or even prescription drugs I

know what -I- would take, but I won't make that choice for others.

I'd take herbs, of course. But I know them, and I know which I would not give to

a pregnant lady under any circumstances.



For a rather comprehensive list of what to avoid during pregnancy you could go

to Michael Moore's site: http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE - go for the

manuals, go for the Herbal-Medical Contraindications booklet.



Cheers

Henriette 



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To: hetta@saunalahti.fi

Subject: Re: Pregnancy

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:43:50 -0500

--------

I agree with you that one should not make choices for other people. Both in

my herbal training and in my own personal experience with pregnancy, I found

no problems with drinking raspberry leaf infusion in the first trimester. Some

midwives

have felt that drinking raspberry leaf tea might encourage a miscarriage or

bleeding. In my opinion, since the herb has an affinity for the uterus, it may be

that if a pregnancy is tenuous to begin with, that this may be true. Also, I've read

debates about wild raspberry leaves being different from cultivated. I've used both

with no problems.



The very experienced midwife and herbalist who assisted me with my pregnancy and

son's birth had no such concerns. (and I'd had two very early miscarriages

previously).

Other practicing herbalists I've known have not had this concern.



But we cannot and should not make such decisions for others. Part of being an

herbalist is to empower others to make informed decisions for themselves.



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



Henriette Kress wrote:



> squimjam@aol.comskwoosh (Zz Da Squiminator zZ) wrote:

>

> >>None.  Pregnant women should not ingest any chemicals wether or not they are

> >>derived form pill or herbs.  The side effects to the infant is just to high.

> >

> >Yer' an idiot or just high.Your facts are not even close to the truth in

> >regardsto herbal teas which by the way this woman was asking about. Even

> >regular tea and coffee has been proven to be safe in moderation during

> >pregnancy. Some herbs are actully tonifying to the uterus during pregnancy and

> >childbirth made easier,such as Raspberry leaf.Where have you been living? In a

> >cave or somethin' ? who the heck is going to make YAM tea? What does that have

> >to do with the question she asked ya dork?

>

> Whoa there. While your sentiment might run away with you there is no call for

> namecalling. You might find above post well-deserved or even amusing, but you

> should know that most people will just delete your post on reading your first

> line, and killfile you to boot. So that in the end you defeat your purpose with

> abusive posts.

>

> To the issue at hand: yes, the general rule for herbs is that you don't use them

> unless you know that a given herb is harmless for pregnancy. Your example,

> raspberry leaf, actually leaves something to be desired: raspberry leaf is not

> recommended in the first three months of pregnancy. After that, yes, it's safe.

> A better herb to start with would be Lady's Mantle, Alchemilla sp.

>

> When it comes to the choice between herbs and OTC or even prescription drugs I

> know what -I- would take, but I won't make that choice for others.

> I'd take herbs, of course. But I know them, and I know which I would not give to

> a pregnant lady under any circumstances.

>

> For a rather comprehensive list of what to avoid during pregnancy you could go

> to Michael Moore's site: http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE - go for the

> manuals, go for the Herbal-Medical Contraindications booklet.

>

> Cheers

> Henriette

>

> --

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Subject: Re: Pregnancy

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 03 Mar 2000 21:55:37 GMT

--------

>I agree with you that one should not make choices for other people. Both in

>my herbal training and in my own personal experience with pregnancy, I found

>no problems with drinking raspberry leaf infusion in the first trimester. 



I don't know what I would have done without my Raspberry Leaf tea during my

last pregnancy. The nausea was so bad that I could barely eat .Raspberry worked

great wiht no adverse affects in the first trimester and actually helped in the

last to help tonify. I noticed I bounced back much quicker than with my first

born who had cause no nausea at all. I swear by very few herbs but Rasperry is

definitly one of them.



Peace,

~*Jo*~ 





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Subject: Re: Pregnancy

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 05 Mar 2000 04:08:36 GMT

--------

>Yer' an idiot or just high.Your facts are not even close to the truth in

>regardsto herbal teas which by the way this woman was asking about. Even

>regular tea and coffee has been proven to be safe in moderation during

>pregnancy. 



The key word is "moderation".  Moderation means "every now and then", not

"every day".  Caffein is the most addictive substance beside nicotine and is

for most americans the drug of choice.  The beliefe that it is harmless is

fallacy.  Caffein has been directly associated with learning dissabilites,

A.D.D., and infantile heart conditions such as palpatations and deformities

such as being born with a "hole in the heart".  Think about that next time you

down a cup of jo.  Think about it again as you snack on that candy bar then

drink that diet coke later in the day.  Think of that when you take that asprin

to relieve your headaches(yes some pain relievers contain caffein).  The point

is that people ingest way more than they think and pregnant women really need

to think about these things.



>Some herbs are actully tonifying to the uterus during pregnancy 



Do you mean "tonifying" as in "easing" or "tonifying" as in "tigntning".  If

your definition is "easing" then due be aware that this is because of natural

"downer" chemicals present in the herbs and that all chemicals have potential

to harm and that just because they come from herbs doesn't make them any

"safer".  Now if you meant that it "tightend" the uterus then you are a

complete fool for this is due to "stimulants" that in low doses cause slight

contractions in the uterus but at higher doses can cause the woman to

misscarry. 



>Where have you been living? In a

>cave or somethin' ?



O.K. Let me inform you of some changes to the world that you may not be aware

of.  Now adays we have people who study medicine and who are trained to

practice it.  We call these people "Doctors".  One of the biggest problems

"Doctors" face today is due to the ignorance of people.  Pregnancy is a time

when so many things lie out of the mother's control such as the health of her

child.  So why would a mother use a substance wich may contribute to heath

problems further in the life of the child or even wich may cause deformities in

the womb.  You may decide to do whatever you want and put into your body

whatever you may wish to,  but don't think for a second that the finger wont be

pointed at you if something should go wrong.  



>who the heck is going to make YAM tea?



When did I ever say to make YAM tea?



>What does that have

>to do with the question she asked ya dork?



Why do you care BABYKILLER?

Why don't ya go smoke a ciggarette and cool off.  Don't forget your coffee.



(Additional info. for anyone else reading this post.  I used "babykiller" and

the rest to get a point across, so I don't want to have any flames from the

self-riteous.)



-out

Jason









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Subject: Re: Pregnancy

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 05 Mar 2000 09:19:21 GMT

--------

>Do you mean "tonifying" as in "easing" or "tonifying" as in "tigntning".  If

>your definition is "easing" then due be aware that this is because of natural

>"downer" chemicals present in the herbs and that all chemicals have potential

>to harm and that just because they come from herbs doesn't make them any

>"safer".  Now if you meant that it "tightend" the uterus then you are a

>complete fool for this is due to "stimulants" that in low doses cause slight

>contractions in the uterus but at higher doses can cause the woman to

>misscarry. 

>



Tonifying means to strengthen jason..not tighten. it is when you make the mucls

more pliable not loose or tight but able to adapt to the circumstances(such as

labour) better. 



Peace,

~*Jo*~





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Subject: Pregnancy

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2000 22:15:09 

--------





	 GJ> From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)



>>... of herbs/herbal teas does anyone recommend for one that is

>>pregnant to assist with the pain and other thing associated with



>>Thanks Wayne



 GJ> None.  Pregnant women should not ingest any chemicals wether

 GJ> or not they are derived form pill or herbs.



There are more than afew mid-wives who'd disagree with you, Jason.

You might also bear in mind that the vast majority of herbs are

nothing more than food.  A medicinal dose of herbs is another thing,

entirely... but there are medicinal doses of herbs that actually help

one have a healthy time of pregnancy, and useful from beginning to

end...



cheers,

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Subject: Re: Pregnancy

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 05 Mar 2000 03:39:41 GMT

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>Then what is a women supposed to ingest/ many foods also contain estrogens,

>or

>estrogenic compounds. Beef, chicken, milk, parsley, soy, seaweeds, etc.,

>etc.,

>etc.



You bring up a good point.  Obviously the mother would *not* be eating yams

three meals a day, but a diet that is rich in these foods like yams, tofoo, and

certain legumes can cause problems.  In this case I was refering to problems

especialy correlated to the developement of a male fetus.  If the fetus is

female then it *may* not pose such a risk.  If you would research how a male

fetus develops then you will understand just how important the role of

testostorone is in development.  Did you know that the male fetus only

developes male genetalia when the levels of testostorone rise above the levels

of estrogen.  A pregnant woman already produces a large amount of estrogens

wich circulate in her bloodstream and wich are passed to her children.  The

male fetuses body has to work "overtime" so that a suffeciant level of

testostorne is produced.  Should the mother increase the estrogen levels

further through her diet then the fetus may not be able to compensate and it is

this situation that causes what Doctors term as "effiminazation" of the male

fetus. 



-out

Jason





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Subject: Re: Pregnancy

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 05 Mar 2000 03:41:27 GMT

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>If the lady in question is going to give birth to a rat then I would say

>that defective genitalia would be the last thing to worry about.

>



True and funny.  The implications of this in humans is not so.



Jason





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Subject: Re: Pregnancy

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 05 Mar 2000 21:49:06 GMT

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>You need to reseach phytoestrogens. They are very weak estrogenic substances

>and lower estrogen activity in the body by locking up estrogen receptors so

>stronger estrogens cannot lock on and have an effect on the body.

>



I have.  These phytoestrogens do block the receptors but they don't lower the

body's estrogen count, they actualy increase it.  Phytoestrogens do not produce

the same reaction in women they way normal estrogens do, but they are close

enough in shape and size of the molecule that they block the receptors.  This

blocking effects signals the brain that *not* enough estrogen is being produced

and so the body tries to compensate by producing above normal levels of the

hormone.  Like I sated in the previous post, it is presicely this that is so

dangerous to the developing male fetus.



-out

Jason





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Subject: Re: Pregnancy

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 07 Mar 2000 03:03:05 GMT

--------

>Phytoestrogens stimulate the same receptors as would the

>stronger estrogens of the body. Thus they have a weak estrogenic effect. 



Yes they do bond to the receptors the way that "real" estrogen does but they

*dont* produce the same results.  Phytoestrogens are not true estrogens.  They

are simply molecules that are so similiar to those that compromise true

estrogen that they are able to fit into the estrogen receptors, however, since

they lack the exact chemical make-up as estrogens the body is not tricked by

these mimics and does not respond to them they way it does to the actualy

hormone.  In effect the body thinks that *no* estrogen is being produced or

that it is being produced in too little of quantity. It compensate by raising

the production of the hormone.



>On the

>other hand, they are very beneficial for problems associated with estrogen

>dominance because they block the action of the other estrogens. If the

>phytoestrogens raised estrogen levels, the symptoms of estrogen dominance and

>the risk of cancer would increase greatly. Yet this does not happen, in fact

>we

>see the opposite.



O.K you are so close to understanding the  role that phytoestrogens play!!! 

Yes, they do have a beneficial role but only to those women who are

post-menapausal.  And Yes they do block estrogen, but only for a time.  Our

body regulates itself in the same fashion comparable to that of metabolism and

cravings.  We crave what we need and we adjust our metabolism to fit our

environment.  Post-menapausal woman can benefit from consuming food that are

high in phytoestrogens but only because they cause the body to produce "excess"

estrogen.  A woman's ovaries are not the only location in the body where

estrogen is produced.  As a woman's ovaries shut down the body is at higher

risks for Heart disease and the other diseases that are mainly associated with

men.  If a woman ingests a diet rich in phytoestrogens then once again it

stimulates the other locations where estrogen is formed to work overtime.  Now

not enough estrogen will be created to counteract menapause but sufficient

quantities will be produced to provide some protection.  I am sure you have

heard of how doctors are recomending diet changes to compensate the effects of

menapause?  I was refering to Pregnant women in my original post and how this

increase of estrogen is harmful to the developing male fetus.  Now I would like

to make you aware of the fact that high levels of estrogen is *not* healthy for

women either.  Despite your claim, estrogen has been linked to breast cancer.



Jason  









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Subject: Re:      Pregnancy

From: Anonymous <nobody@newsfeeds.com>

Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:25:09 -0600

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What herbs do you recommend for a woman who is wanting to get pregnant

no health problems  just having no luck at getting preggers



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Subject: Re: squirels

From: "Sharon" <bereskos@home.com>

Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 00:47:09 GMT

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A little blood meal sprinkled around will scare them off.

Sharon



"Sandy" <lou2.fl@att.net> wrote in message news:38B45374.137F475A@att.net...



Does anyone know of an herb that will chase squirels out of my bulb

garden. I remember using mint and two other herbs but can't remember

which ones .

Thanks .

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Subject: Herb Garden...

From: "Brandi Smail" <yeats66@prodigy.net>

Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:47:39 -0500

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I live in Gainesville, Florida and I wanted to start an herb garden.  I was

just wondering if anyone knew of any websites or books that I should look

into?  I am particularly interested in growing rose hips.  Any help would be

greatly appreciated.  Thank you.



Colorfully yours,

Brandi



*Green Rayne*









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Subject: Re: Herb Garden...

From: "Paul F Austin" <paustin@digital.net>

Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:19:18 -0500

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There is an herb gardening book for Florida "Herbs and Spices for Florida

Gardens" by Monica Moran Brandies, ISBN  0-9616338-6-7 about 250 pages,

from Great Outdoors Publishing Co.

Martha Steuart

Brevard County, FL

"Brandi Smail" <yeats66@prodigy.net> wrote in message

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>

> I live in Gainesville, Florida and I wanted to start an herb garden.  I

was

> just wondering if anyone knew of any websites or books that I should

look

> into?  I am particularly interested in growing rose hips.  Any help

would be

> greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

>

> Colorfully yours,

> Brandi

>

> *Green Rayne*

>

>









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Subject: Re: Herb Garden...

From: "ga6ski" <ga6ski@email.msn.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:05:36 -0500

--------

May I suggest you visit http://www.Richters.com

They are the premier herb specialists, out of Canada, and have an online

catalog avaiblable along with a wealth of information about herbs and herbal

gardening. Also, you can visit www.herbnet.com for even more info.

"Paul F Austin" <paustin@digital.net> wrote in message

news:sc00qafuee6108@corp.supernews.com...

> There is an herb gardening book for Florida "Herbs and Spices for Florida

> Gardens" by Monica Moran Brandies, ISBN  0-9616338-6-7 about 250 pages,

> from Great Outdoors Publishing Co.

> Martha Steuart

> Brevard County, FL

> "Brandi Smail" <yeats66@prodigy.net> wrote in message

> news:89kdik$1qvg$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com...

> >

> > I live in Gainesville, Florida and I wanted to start an herb garden.  I

> was

> > just wondering if anyone knew of any websites or books that I should

> look

> > into?  I am particularly interested in growing rose hips.  Any help

> would be

> > greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

> >

> > Colorfully yours,

> > Brandi

> >

> > *Green Rayne*

> >

> >

>

>









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Subject: Herb Garden...

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2000 20:48:52 

--------





	 BS> From: "Brandi Smail" <yeats66@prodigy.net>



 BS> I live in Gainesville, Florida and I wanted to start an herb

 BS> garden.  ... websites or books that I should look into?

 BS> ...particularly interested in growing rose hips.  ...



Brandi, several places that should have info, free for the taking,

that I'd begin with would be my local Dept Ag./Extension Office

or the Master Gardener program, usually available through one of

the Colleges or Universities, or the local Garden Club. The reason

I suggest these two is, Florida's unique climate and soil conditions,

and they would likely have first-hand experience in herbs.  The info.

offered in books may be 'right on' as far as zonal info. in books,

(which are very often written using growing info. gleaned from

places like Conn., New York State, England... which is, of course,

all good info, but not necessarily as pertaining to your unique

climate. Your Ag. Ext. Agent has info that is (more likely) 'tried'

(tested), either in Florida, or areas with similar nature.  The same

with the Master Gardener program.



cheers,

wlsakowski



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Subject: New poster plus question!

From: Krow <krow@delphinus.free-online.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 00:49:27 +0000

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Hi all.

I used to subscribe here a while back (year or more!) but always meant to poop

back.

I'm in the UK and interested in herbal remedies. I can't honestly remember the

last time I used pharmaceuticals for simple ailments. I _do_ rely on salbutamol

and becotide to keep breathing. No sense in being stupid about things.

I suffer from a tendon problem in my shoulder. My doc. says it's tendonitis

caused by the compression of the tendon as it moves over/around the shoulder.

I would like to know if anyone has a recipe for Tiger Balm. I had one once and

made a batch up, which I'm using now, to good effect. But, I'll run out in a

week or so's time. And I've lost the recipe. Any one help?

Recipe/other advice gratefully recieved!



Oh, I was tempted to reply to the post about phlegm (I use tincture of

coltsfoot. Home-made, of course) but thought a little intro appropriate first.



I'd especially like to hear from UK people, regarding the uses of our native

wild herbs/plants.



Krow







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Subject: Re: New poster plus question!

From: k a & g <kaalga@spamthis.mpinet.net>

Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:40:28 -0500

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Krow wrote:



> Hi all.

> I used to subscribe here a while back (year or more!) but always meant to poop

> back.



welcome back....;)



> I'm in the UK and interested in herbal remedies. I can't honestly remember the

> last time I used pharmaceuticals for simple ailments.



good way to go....cough syrups, 'rubs' and *most* other OTCs are a waste of

money......



> I _do_ rely on salbutamol

> and becotide to keep breathing. No sense in being stupid about things.



totally!



although i am not familiar with either of these meds...i would hope that you have

researched any likely herbal interaction problems with these pharms??



> I suffer from a tendon problem in my shoulder. My doc. says it's tendonitis

> caused by the compression of the tendon as it moves over/around the shoulder.

> I would like to know if anyone has a recipe for Tiger Balm.



http://www.google.com



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Subject: Re: what herb is good for phlegm?

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:35:45 GMT

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>Would you please recommend what herb is good for phlegm? Or

>  lung in general? Thank you very much.



Chinese Ephedra is quite remarkable when it comes to this.  Ephedra, by the

way, is where we get the drug "Ephedrine" wich is a powerful decongestant and

stimulant.  Also chemical similiar is the drug "Pseudo-ephedrine" from whence

"sudafed" is derived.



Jason











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Subject: Re: what herb is good for phlegm?

From: Andrew Kingoff <akingoff@cfl.rr.com>

Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 02:40:44 -0500

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Ephedra or Ma Huang is best for the clear,

runny type of phlegm.   If a person has a fever or

if their sputum is sticky or yellow, Ma Huang will

actually make the condition worse.





On 02 Mar 2000 06:04:37 GMT, herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist) wrote:



>>Chinese Ephedra is quite remarkable when it comes to this.

>

>But not good if you have heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, or

>thyroid disease. And not for long term use. 





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Subject: Re: what herb is good for phlegm?

From: "Selene" <tobalina@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:56:47 -0800

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Caution, sart out with a small dose and see how you react. Goldenseal is a

very useful and potent herb. I'm a smoker with a cough, and every time I

have homemade goldenseal tea, it thins my mucous so that it's easy to cough

up, but it's like it flushes my lungs out, and I literally feeel like I'm

drowning in it. There's so much to cough up suddenly that it's a problem.

So, Goldenseal IS effective for this use, but take it slow and see how it

goes. Hope this helps.





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> Uh oh.  You mentioned the G word.

>

> "Doolittle66" <doolittle66@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:20000225205807.18069.00001952@ng-cf1.aol.com...

> > How about Goldenseal?  It's supposed to work wonderfully in maintaining

a

> > normal mucous production.

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: what herb is good for phlegm?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:14:09 +0200

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"Selene" <tobalina@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



>Caution, sart out with a small dose and see how you react. Goldenseal is a

>very useful and potent herb. I'm a smoker with a cough, and every time I

>have homemade goldenseal tea, it thins my mucous so that it's easy to cough

>up, but it's like it flushes my lungs out, and I literally feeel like I'm



FAR better herbs for this would be horseradish or cayenne. Or any

mucous-containing herb, like any of the mallows, or slippery elm, or iceland

moss.



Goldenseal is -endangered-. Don't use it unless you grow your own.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: chinese ephedra

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:59:29 GMT

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>I've used ma huang for years.  Using a whole herb is altogether

>different than taking 'ingredients' (constituents) of an herb.



That's right.  In concentrated form, active chemicals withdrawn, it is more

potent and lesser doses are needed compared to bulk herbs.



>I've never found it  more 'stimulating' than caffeine, and it has

>other constituents in it's makeup that off-sets those listed above.



In herb form ephedra is quite similiar to caffeine.  However, in concentrated

form such as in the over the counter medicine "mini thins" wich is now illegal

in most states, the pill is extremely potent.  There are no *downer* chemicals

in ephedra so I'm not quite sure what the chemicals are that supposedly counter

the effects are.  Perhaps you can enlighten?



>Indeed, one should always check with one's doctor.  But the chances

>of his/her sharing (objective) knowledge about this subject is fairly

>unlikely.



My doctor knew it.  You know most doctors *are* open minded.  My doctor told me

when I informed him that I was taking the herb that the reason other doctors

frowned on it's use was because of all the over the counter stimulants, ephedra

stimulates the heart muscle itself more than any other.  He told me that yes,

people have lost weight on it and that If I was healthy and had no previous

heart conditions then it would be fine to use it in an appropriate dose.  He

then went on to add that most people who use ephedra get addicted to it and

also end up increasing the dosage due to tolerance.  He said people who do

this, increase dosage, are the people that he is most concerned about.  He also

advised against drinking it as a tea.  He said in pill form it is more easy to

assess what dossage one has ingested while by drinking the tea one can never

now the exact strength of the chemical present in the water.  All in all I

think my doctor was pretty much informed and am gladly taking his advice. 



>Indeed, I have heard reports of deaths connected with ma huang...

>from the abuse of herbal Ecstasy. While I understand and agree,

>that a death is a death, I'm not sure I'd term those, "accidental"

>overdose.  Seemed to me that those folks were trying to *over do*

>it, 



I'm not sure you understand me when I say "concentrated".  I don't mean "herbs"

in capsules.  I mean specificaly drawing the chemicals out of the herbs

themselves and creating medicine out of the *pure* results of this process. 

Comparable to asprin.  Anyway, you can be suprised by just how *few* pills it

takes to overdose.  You belief that these deaths were not "accidental" is quite

astonshing seeing that it makes no sense for someone to purposefuly "o.d" on

"mini thins" then go play foot ball, because that's exactly how someone did

die.  Besides, "speed" has never been the drug of choice to commit suicide with

anyway.  Why choose a painful *heart attack* when one could dream onself away.



Jason









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Subject: Re: chinese ephedra

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 03 Mar 2000 22:30:59 GMT

--------

>Virtually all the deaths reported to be from ephedra, were actually form the

>concentrated pharmaceutical extract ephedrine, not the herb. Which is really

>interesting because the states banning ephedraa re making exemptions for the

>sale of ephedrine which is more dangerous.



I don't know about that.  What I do know is that the concentrated

pharmaceutical extract is illeagal but that the herb isn't. 



Jason





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Subject: Re: chinese ephedra

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 04 Mar 2000 21:57:01 GMT

--------

>Ephedrine is sold in all sorts of over the counter cold and flu medications,

>and asthma medications. So it is not banned. The states which have placed

>bans

>on ephedra (Florida, Georgia, and I believe Ohio) all made exemptions for the

>sale of ephedrine, the pharmaceutical concentrate being referred to.





No most medications contain "pseudo-ephidrine" wich is chemicaly different

thatn ephidrine.  Pure ephidrine is illegal but the herb "ephedra" from which

it is extracted is for now, legal.  I recently talked to a cop friend of mine. 

He told me that the ban on ephedrine is a result of several deaths and due to

the fact that ephedrine is the prime componet in the manafacturing of the

illegal drug "crank" or methamphetamine, although it can be manafactured using

just about any type of speed.



Jason







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Subject: Re: chinese ephedra

From: jamie@bozo2.local.net (jamie)

Date: 5 Mar 2000 17:16:03 GMT

--------

The sale of over the counter ephedrine is only banned in 6 or 7 states,

some of which have also banned the sale of products containing ma

huang/ephedra.  In other states, ephedrine is widely available in OTC

asthma medication, such as Primatene tablets and Bronk-Aid.  These also

contain guaifenesin, which allegedly eliminates their potential abuse

as an ingredient to manufacture speed.



Gammon Jason <gammonjason@aol.com> wrote:

>No most medications contain "pseudo-ephidrine" wich is chemicaly different

>thatn ephidrine.  Pure ephidrine is illegal but the herb "ephedra" from which

>it is extracted is for now, legal. 



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Subject: Re: chinese ephedra

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 05 Mar 2000 03:23:42 GMT

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>Ephedrine was only made illegal in a few states, not all



Yes, I meant that some states ban it.  I have to go to Colorado to get mine....



Jason





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Subject: Re: chinese ephedra

From: jamie@bozo2.local.net (jamie)

Date: 5 Mar 2000 17:22:12 GMT

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WL Sakowski <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com> wrote:

>I've used ma huang for years.  Using a whole herb is altogether

>different than taking 'ingredients' (constituents) of an herb.

>I've never found it  more 'stimulating' than caffeine, and it has

>other constituents in it's makeup that off-sets those listed above.



Frankly, I notice no difference in effect between Twinlab Metabolift

(containing ma huang standardized for 20mg ephedrine, and guarana

standardized for 200mg caffine) and taking pharmaceutical ephedrine

and caffeine.



-- 

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Subject: Re: chinese ephedra

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:54:34 -0500

--------

So, while we're on the subject; does anyone know where I might buy the

living plant itself? I kind of like having potential remedies living at my

doorstep. It's a good renewable resource that doesn't make me buy leaf or

capsule of uncertain provenance.



--

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to stay inside the lines when parking.

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> WL Sakowski <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com> wrote:

> >I've used ma huang for years.  Using a whole herb is altogether

> >different than taking 'ingredients' (constituents) of an herb.

> >I've never found it  more 'stimulating' than caffeine, and it has

> >other constituents in it's makeup that off-sets those listed above.

>

> Frankly, I notice no difference in effect between Twinlab Metabolift

> (containing ma huang standardized for 20mg ephedrine, and guarana

> standardized for 200mg caffine) and taking pharmaceutical ephedrine

> and caffeine.

>

> --

>   jamie  (mjwm@austin.rr.com)

>

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Subject: chinese ephedra

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2000 21:58:40 

--------





	 GJ> From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)



>>I've used ma huang for years.  Using a whole herb is altogether

>>different than taking 'ingredients' (constituents) of an herb.



 GJ> That's right.  In concentrated form, active chemicals

 GJ> withdrawn, it is more potent and lesser doses are needed

 GJ> compared to bulk herbs.



>>I've never found it  more 'stimulating' than caffeine, and it has

>>other constituents in it's makeup that off-sets those listed

>>above.



 GJ> In herb form ephedra is quite similiar to caffeine.  However,

 GJ> in concentrated form such as in the over the counter medicine

 GJ> "mini thins" wich is now illegal in most states, the pill is

 GJ> extremely potent.  There are no *downer* chemicals in ephedra

 GJ> so I'm not quite sure what the chemicals are that supposedly

 GJ> counter the effects are.  Perhaps you can enlighten?



Pseudoephedrine is an alkaloid of Ma Huang that counters the

possible objectionable side-effects of the ephedrine.  While I

do not consider it a "downer", neither do I consider ephedrine

an upper.



>>Indeed, one should always check with one's doctor.  But the

>>chances of his/her sharing (objective) knowledge about this

>>subject is fairly unlikely.



 GJ> My doctor knew it.  You know most doctors *are* open minded.



(While I can't be sure these words are *mine*, I'll bite   :)



I don't contend that doctors (meaning *all* doctors!) are not

open-minded, but the point being made is of their (collectively)

being able to share *objective* knowledge about herbal use.

I have been heartened by *several* of my doctors (and this

would cover some 50+years) having more than a passing

knowledge of the usefulness of herbs, but only *one* has been

able to give me a somewhat knowledgeable opinion of an herb's

usefulness, without 'going' somewhere and looking it up.  I have

no problem with their doing this!  In deed, it has been to my

advantage that my doctor do this... as it has my experience that

it has been *me* who has said, "You know, this really works for

me and I'm planning to continue it's use, so we need to work

around my use of it, I need some info to change my mind, or..."

(or something along those lines).



I have also been heartened, in the last few years, that more

doctors *are* more open-minded that even *they* were, even

several years back.  It is to their credit.



And, of course, the last 20 years or so, my expereince has been

mainly in Ok., and perhaps in your area, your medical community

is more progressive than ours   :)



 GJ> ... All in all I think my doctor was pretty much informed

 GJ> and am gladly taking his advice.



And that is as it *should* be.  Your doctor *needs* to know how

you live your life, especially if you deal with conditions or are

to be on any meds of any power...



>>Indeed, I have heard reports of deaths connected with ... abuse

>>of herbal Ecstasy. ..."accidental" overdose.  Seemed to me that

>>those folks were trying to *over do* it,



 GJ> I'm not sure you understand me when I say "concentrated".

 GJ> ... specificaly drawing the chemicals out of the herbs ...  how

 GJ> *few* pills it takes to overdose.



Yes.  I understand completely what your use of "concentrated"

refers to. I prefer to use *whole* herbs, just the way I prefer

my food.   :)  I also realize "how *few* pills it takes to overdose".

The point I intend, (I think  :)  is that the abuse occurs in the

herbs not being used for what they are normally intended, nor

their being used in acceptable dosages.  (No different than a

prescription drug being misused.)



 GJ>You belief that these deaths were not "accidental" is quite

 GJ>astonshing seeing that it makes no sense for someone to

 GJ>purposefuly "o.d" on "mini thins" then go play foot ball,

 GJ>because that's exactly how  someone did die.  ...



The comment was not about someone doing as you suggest in your

above situation, but rather, referring to deaths that were to have

occured from the use of an herbal preparation that uses  Ma Huang

as one of it's ingredients.  And those who take it one of their own

free will, do so *with* the intention of over doing it!



 GJ> choice to commit suicide with anyway.  Why choose a painful

 GJ> *heart attack* when one could dream onself away.



Well, I don't think suicide is ever a good choice, but that's just

my opinion.



.. been good talking with you, Jason.



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Subject: Re: athlete feet

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 02 Mar 2000 03:13:33 GMT

--------

>D> I think you can soak your feet in a bowl of water that has

> D> about 2 tbsp of vinegar in it... do it 2-3 times a day...



Tee tree oil works wonders.



Jason





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Subject: Re: libido increase?

From: "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:17:29 -0500

--------

Same go for the females?  Or are there different suggestions?



<HKX@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:3636-38AC4C79-46@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

| Agree with trying potency wood first..here is a quik-acting recipe from

| C. Watson, M.D.,

| Boil 2 tabsp. of powdered  p/wood in a pint of water..15 min. drink one

| fluid oz. ,,then let the games begin (her words)

|

| Bastyr College claims yohimbe is "difficult" to work with,, but i might

| try a product standardized for 6% yohimbine.   Lots of _impotent_

| yohimbe on store shelves.

|

| Can also try wild oats (avena sativa) but takes

|  about 3-4 wks of daily use.

| """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

| ps: Your big enemy in this area, is cigarette smoking,,,one urologist

| claims the vast majority of  his Viagra-seeking patients are,, or have

| been , long-time smokers.

|









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Subject: Rhodiola seeds

From: Angela <abs@not.net>

Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 00:42:37 -0500

--------

Does anybody know where  in the US I can buy Rhodiola rosea seeds ?

Synonyms  : arctic root,Rodiola roseum, Sedum rosea, Sedum Rhodiola.







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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: dmmoran@hotmail.com

Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 06:09:37 GMT

--------

In article <20000216144921.19678.00001283@nso-fe.aol.com>,

  healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) wrote:

> In article <88d0an$c7g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, pledge2266@my-deja.com

writes:

>

> >I've recently been diagnosed with blepharitis, a

> >condition characterized by redness and

> >inflammation of the eyelids.  Several web sites

> >have recommended that I apply a 10% calendula

> >lotion to the affected area 2-3 times a day.  Yet

> >after only a day or two, my eyes have become even

> >more red and inflamed.

>

> Stop the calendula. Any time a herb causes a worsening of symptoms,

you need to

> step back and rethink your approach.

>

> Jeffrey Anshel's book on eye care (SMART MEDICINE FOR YOUR EYES)

recommends

> using warm compresses for blepharitis. He soaks his compresses in a

herbal tea

> prior to applying them. Among the herbs he recommends are rosemary,

dulce,

> goldenseal or sage. Again, my feeling is that if any of these make

you feel

> worse and not better, then don't continue use.

>

> Regards,

> Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

> http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

> Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

> http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm

>



--

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the grand facade so soon will burn

without a noise -- without my pride

I reach out from the inside"



I have been suffering a bad bout of blepharitis for the past 11 months.

I have read in several books to use calendula ointment. After buying

the Boiron brand I saw a caution to "avoid contact with the eyes", so I

called their 1-800 # and they said to never get it near your eyes

regardless of what you've read. So I am royally confused by it all also.



All the conventional doctors, and even 3 naturopaths have given me very

little help. It seems I hear repeatedly that there is no known cause

and no known cure. Then I read so often that it is the oil glands not

properly working in the eyelids -- this seems to me to be a HUGE lead

for these specialists. If they can find remedies for dandruff (which it

supposedly blepharitis is closely associated with) then why can't they

figure this out? It is far from being just a minor annoyance (as Dr

Weil alluded), for me it has led to a corneal ulcer. After reading of

the similarities with dandruff I decided to quit using baby shampoo

scrubs, and instead mix Denorex with baby shampoo and mix that with

water. I think it is helping.



Does anyone out there have any other ideas to try? I detest wearing

glasses and have been wearing just one contact lens for the past 11

months. There has to be an answer...



Thanks,



dorothy





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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: DepressedGrl <jewishpunkrockgirlNOjeSPAM@my-deja.com.invalid>

Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 06:32:41 -0800

--------

I'm not quite sure what Blepharitis is, but I too have had

redness and swelling of the eyelids and itchiness, very very

very badly, but mine is caused by allergies!  My eyelids swelled

up to where I couldn't see out of my eyes!  If you think this

might be your problem, try Opcon-A, which you can get from your

drugstore, or anything in that section XXX-A.  It WORKED for

me.  Also, I now use MSM eyedrops all the time, whenever I get

itchy, and also for the puter stuff I do.  I constantly put in

these eyedrops and it really helps for the allergies, and to

keep me glasses-free, even though I use the puter for work all

the time and for home.





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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: pledge2266@my-deja.com

Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 22:57:05 GMT

--------

In article <20000304012953.03874.00000113@ng-cg1.aol.com>,

  herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist) wrote:

> >In article <20000216144921.19678.00001283@nso-fe.aol.com>,

> >  healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) wrote:

> >> In article <88d0an$c7g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, pledge2266@my-deja.com

> >writes:

> >>

> >> >I've recently been diagnosed with blepharitis, a

> >> >condition characterized by redness and

> >> >inflammation of the eyelids.  Several web sites

> >> >have recommended that I apply a 10% calendula

> >> >lotion to the affected area 2-3 times a day.  Yet

> >> >after only a day or two, my eyes have become even

> >> >more red and inflamed.

> >>

> >> Stop the calendula. Any time a herb causes a worsening of symptoms,

> >you need to

> >> step back and rethink your approach.

> >>

> >> Jeffrey Anshel's book on eye care (SMART MEDICINE FOR YOUR EYES)

> >recommends

> >> using warm compresses for blepharitis. He soaks his compresses in a

> >herbal tea

> >> prior to applying them. Among the herbs he recommends are rosemary,

> >dulce,

> >> goldenseal or sage. Again, my feeling is that if any of these make

> >you feel

> >> worse and not better, then don't continue use.

> >>

>

> >I have been suffering a bad bout of blepharitis for the past 11

months.

> >I have read in several books to use calendula ointment. After buying

> >the Boiron brand I saw a caution to "avoid contact with the eyes", so

I

> >called their 1-800 # and they said to never get it near your eyes

> >regardless of what you've read. So I am royally confused by it all

also.

>

> Boiron uses a petrolatum base. Therefore you do not want to put their

product

> near your eyes.

>

If that is the case, do you know of any calendula ointment that does not

use a petrolatum base.  Any names of products or manufacturers would be

greatly appreciated.





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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: lyz <Chandralyn@angelfire.com>

Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 05:53:27 GMT

--------







>



An easy way would be to make your own. Use 1/2 cup or so of a light oil

base, such as olive oil, grapeseed, canola, apricat kernal, add a couple

teaspoons beeswax, and fresh or dried calendula flowers. Heat the oil and

wax slowly until melted, add the flowers, steep (or heat) on a low temp.

until flowers are crisp (or cooked ). Strain into ceramic container, use

when cool.

chandralyn



>

> If that is the case, do you know of any calendula ointment that does not

> use a petrolatum base.  Any names of products or manufacturers would be

> greatly appreciated.

>

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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle)

Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 11:49:57 GMT

--------

On Sun, 05 Mar 2000 05:53:27 GMT, lyz <Chandralyn@angelfire.com> wrote:



>An easy way would be to make your own. Use 1/2 cup or so of a light oil

>base, such as olive oil, grapeseed, canola, apricat kernal, add a couple

>teaspoons beeswax, and fresh or dried calendula flowers. Heat the oil and

>wax slowly until melted, add the flowers, steep (or heat) on a low temp.

>until flowers are crisp (or cooked ). Strain into ceramic container, use

>when cool.

>chandralyn



If you have a candy or frying thermometer, use that to check when the oil heats

to 150F. I have always read that's when the oil cells in the plant material

will burst, releasing their goodies. No need to cook until crisp. 



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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: "Kinney/Reid" <kinney-reid@email.msn.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:43:20 -0800

--------

Is the heating a way to speed up the getting of the goodies from the plant

into the oil? I usually just let the two set together for six weeks. Am I

missing something without the heat?

ember











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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:05:10 -0500

--------

I also had a question on the heating- I would want to check that the desired

stuff to extract was heat stable- some things are, some aren't, and

sometimes you don't exactly know what the constituents are. But it's good to

know the 150* figure as being effective

to break down the cell walls. Anyone have any data on infused oil

components' heat stability? And could this heat process possibly be a

solution to the potential problem of botulinum in garlic infused oil?

--

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to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



Kinney/Reid <kinney-reid@email.msn.com> wrote in message

news:#ApkIpuh$GA.265@cpmsnbbsa02...

> Is the heating a way to speed up the getting of the goodies from the plant

> into the oil? I usually just let the two set together for six weeks. Am I

> missing something without the heat?

> ember

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:27:30 +0200

--------

"LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net> wrote:

>I also had a question on the heating- I would want to check that the desired

>stuff to extract was heat stable- some things are, some aren't, and

>sometimes you don't exactly know what the constituents are. But it's good to

>know the 150* figure as being effective

>to break down the cell walls. Anyone have any data on infused oil

>components' heat stability? 



The oil will go rancid faster, any herb with essential oil in it won't have it

anymore after, and some herbs start to smell -real- funny if you heat the oil

too much.

I never ever let the oil smoke nor boil. I want an herbal oil, NOT herbal

crisps. And my salves -work-.



I just heat my oil in a double boiler for 2-3 hours when I want a fast salve.

Else it sits in a jar in a sunny window for 4-6 weeks.



>And could this heat process possibly be a

>solution to the potential problem of botulinum in garlic infused oil?



Yes, you can ingest oils made with the waterbath method. After they're decanted

you keep them in the fridge if you want to use them in your food.



Salve oils can be stored in room temperature.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 06:47:44 GMT

--------

Hmmm, a double boiler, does that make the temp about 100 deg C?



Expect to see the IPO for herbalcrisps.com soon.



--

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"Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:hmj6cs85nodct7oi8kqcpr7qouvabg7ufe@4ax.com...

> I never ever let the oil smoke nor boil. I want an herbal oil, NOT herbal

> crisps. And my salves -work-.

>

> I just heat my oil in a double boiler for 2-3 hours when I want a fast

salve.

> Else it sits in a jar in a sunny window for 4-6 weeks.











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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle)

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:10:44 GMT

--------

On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 06:47:44 GMT, "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

wrote:



>Hmmm, a double boiler, does that make the temp about 100 deg C?

>

>Expect to see the IPO for herbalcrisps.com soon.



No, a simple candy thermometer is used to moniter the oil mixture. I did some

calendula/comfrey yesterday, kept it around 150F for the duration. 



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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:27:06 -0500

--------





--

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to stay inside the lines when parking.

Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:hmj6cs85nodct7oi8kqcpr7qouvabg7ufe@4ax.com...

> "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net> wrote:

> >I also had a question on the heating- I would want to check that the

desired

> >stuff to extract was heat stable- some things are, some aren't, and

> >sometimes you don't exactly know what the constituents are. But it's good

to

> >know the 150* figure as being effective

> >to break down the cell walls. Anyone have any data on infused oil

> >components' heat stability?

>

> The oil will go rancid faster, any herb with essential oil in it won't

have it

> anymore after, and some herbs start to smell -real- funny if you heat the

oil

> too much.

> I never ever let the oil smoke nor boil. I want an herbal oil, NOT herbal

> crisps. And my salves -work-.

>

> I just heat my oil in a double boiler for 2-3 hours when I want a fast

salve.

> Else it sits in a jar in a sunny window for 4-6 weeks.



What temp do you get to? this *could* give 212*F as a theoretical max. I am

used to doing stuff like the HWB in processing milk and cheese products. I

keep a thermometer in the product and stir as I go. If you can give me a

figure, I would be grateful.

>

> >And could this heat process possibly be a

> >solution to the potential problem of botulinum in garlic infused oil?

>

> Yes, you can ingest oils made with the waterbath method. After they're

decanted

> you keep them in the fridge if you want to use them in your food.

>

> Salve oils can be stored in room temperature.

>

> Henriette

>

> --

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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 22:26:11 +0200

--------

"LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net> wrote:

>> I just heat my oil in a double boiler for 2-3 hours when I want a fast salve.

>

>What temp do you get to? this *could* give 212*F as a theoretical max. I am

>used to doing stuff like the HWB in processing milk and cheese products. I

>keep a thermometer in the product and stir as I go. If you can give me a

>figure, I would be grateful.



Seeing that beeswax melts in about 70 deg. C, and that it doesn't melt unless I

constantly stir (and it still takes some time to melt), I'd guess that the oil

is about 80 deg. C at the bottom and closer to 60 deg. C at the top.



That's pure guesswork, mind you.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 6 Mar 2000 10:18:50 GMT

--------

Blessed Herbs carries herbal salves and liniment made with calendula flowers and

other ingredients but no petrolatum.  800 489 4372 or

http://www.blessedherbs.com



I am not on their payroll.



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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: mel@webart.org.uk

Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 09:57:43 +0000

--------









I've had this eye problem for about four years and I think I've tried

everything from visiting specialists to using herbal medicines.

Nothing helped. However, I've just stared attending a homeopath who is

also a General Practitioner and I have high hopes. I'll let you know

if there is any improvement - if you are interested.





Best wishes



Annie









www.webart.org.uk/gracetown





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: dmmoran@hotmail.com

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:48:39 GMT

--------

In article <ifb4cscvvl3hdtgipvjfo9f0gdf3eobvdu@4ax.com>,

  mel@webart.org.uk wrote:

>

>

> I've had this eye problem for about four years and I think I've tried

> everything from visiting specialists to using herbal medicines.

> Nothing helped. However, I've just stared attending a homeopath who is

> also a General Practitioner and I have high hopes. I'll let you know

> if there is any improvement - if you are interested.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Annie

>

> www.webart.org.uk/gracetown

>



--

"but all my instincts -- they return

the grand facade so soon will burn

without a noise -- without my pride

I reach out from the inside"



I would be real glad to hear of your results. My Denver naturopath has

me using a homeopathic remedy, arsenicum album 6c. It could be helping,

but since I am trying a few new things at the same time I'm in that

space of not being quite sure which remedy is the one that is "the cure

of the moment". Post your results when/if you see any.



Thanks,



dorothy



PS -- Annie, have you ever heard Nancy Wilson's acoustic version of "In

Your Eyes"? I think it is 1000 times more evocative than Peter

Gabriels, and I love Peter Gabriel (well when he was with Genesis ions

ago...) -- just a thought!





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Subject: Re: herbal anti-inflammatory?

From: dmmoran@hotmail.com

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:41:37 GMT

--------

In article <20000304012953.03874.00000113@ng-cg1.aol.com>,

  herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist) wrote:

> Boiron uses a petrolatum base. Therefore you do not want to put their

product

> near your eyes.



Hey but what's the problem with a petrolatum base? All of the night

time products for dry eyes are made from petroleum, is there a

difference?



dorothy



--

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the grand facade so soon will burn

without a noise -- without my pride

I reach out from the inside"





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Subject: Help for a lingering illness

From: "Fetch" <fetch@thiswebshore.net>

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:31:43 -0500

--------

My friend has had symptoms linger for weeks now.  She had the flu and

lost her voice for a few days.   Now weeks later she still has a stuffy

nose, blurry head and a squeaky voice that breaks up as she talks. The

doctor just says to wait and it will go away.



I was thinking a tea of mullein, peppermint and catnip would help.



Any suggestions? She is basically healthy, just can't shake these

symptoms.





Fetch

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birthday, and now there's writing on my wall and I can't get

it off ... this thing is going back to K-Mart first thing in

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Subject: Re: Help for a lingering illness

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 05:51:35 -0700

--------

"Fetch" <fetch@thiswebshore.net> wrote:



>My friend has had symptoms linger for weeks now.  She had the flu and

>lost her voice for a few days.   Now weeks later she still has a stuffy

>nose, blurry head and a squeaky voice that breaks up as she talks.



Echinacea and barberry for the lingering infection (sounds like

something moved after the flu virus), which will also clear out

allergic inflammations (also possible). 



A nice hot tea for the laryungitis - mint, lemon and honey,

almost anything hot will do. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Help for a lingering illness

From: beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker)

Date: 14 Mar 2000 13:05:01 GMT

--------

>

>"Fetch" <fetch@thiswebshore.net> wrote:

>

>>My friend has had symptoms linger for weeks now.  She had the flu and

>>lost her voice for a few days.   Now weeks later she still has a stuffy

>>nose, blurry head and a squeaky voice that breaks up as she talks.

>

>Echinacea and barberry for the lingering infection (sounds like

>something moved after the flu virus), which will also clear out

>allergic inflammations (also possible). 

>

>A nice hot tea for the laryungitis - mint, lemon and honey,

>almost anything hot will do. 



It might also be time for a second opinion.  "Flu" goes away in 7-10 days, if

it sticks around longer it's something else.  It could be a second infection,

allergies, or something more serious than flu.









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Subject: Re: Help for a lingering illness

From: "Herb Quest" <hquest@sisna.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:40:04 -0700

--------

Elderberry tincture works wonderfully along with the other suggested herbs

in aiding lingering illnesses.  Put the suggested amount of drops into a

glass of water or your favorite cold, or hot,  three times a day.

Beesticker <beesticker@aol.com> wrote in message

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> >

> >"Fetch" <fetch@thiswebshore.net> wrote:

> >

> >>My friend has had symptoms linger for weeks now.  She had the flu and

> >>lost her voice for a few days.   Now weeks later she still has a stuffy

> >>nose, blurry head and a squeaky voice that breaks up as she talks.

> >

> >Echinacea and barberry for the lingering infection (sounds like

> >something moved after the flu virus), which will also clear out

> >allergic inflammations (also possible).

> >

> >A nice hot tea for the laryungitis - mint, lemon and honey,

> >almost anything hot will do.

>

> It might also be time for a second opinion.  "Flu" goes away in 7-10 days,

if

> it sticks around longer it's something else.  It could be a second

infection,

> allergies, or something more serious than flu.

>

>









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Subject: Re: Help for a lingering illness

From: dirtroad <dirtroadNOdiSPAM@altavista.com.invalid>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:33:40 -0800

--------

I would try a raw foods diet,

followed by a 3 day juice fast, using

spirulina and acidophilus.  Catnip

enema or coffee enema or betonite

clay.  you do the research.  enema is

very important to getting over

sickness, or even not getting sick

at all.  beneficial bacteria, very

important, most people are

deficient in them, they are

especially important if doing an

enema, you could even try and

acidophilus enema.  look for

acidophilus that contains

fructooligosacharides, as it is food

for beneficial bacteria.  good luck





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Subject: Re: Help for a lingering illness

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:52:36 -0700

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Woah, now!  That sounds a little too heroic.  You don't want to starve a

cold, you want to feed a cold!  Try some bed rest and warm tea and soup.

Listen to the gift one recieves when we get sick--Do I need to slow down?

How can I take better care of myself?  What am I not lettin go of?--This is

the Wise Woman Way!



Jasper



dirtroad <dirtroadNOdiSPAM@altavista.com.invalid> wrote in message

news:06251658.1d7c41dc@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com...

> I would try a raw foods diet,

> followed by a 3 day juice fast, using

> spirulina and acidophilus.  Catnip

> enema or coffee enema or betonite

> clay.  you do the research.  enema is

> very important to getting over

> sickness, or even not getting sick

> at all.  beneficial bacteria, very

> important, most people are

> deficient in them, they are

> especially important if doing an

> enema, you could even try and

> acidophilus enema.  look for

> acidophilus that contains

> fructooligosacharides, as it is food

> for beneficial bacteria.  good luck

>

>

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Subject: Re: Help for a lingering illness

From: "Steve L" <slb50@interpath.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:21:54 -0500

--------

I missed the beginning of this thread but I thought I might slip this info

in here. If the friend lives in a house with an unvented gas heater, this

could be the culprit even if no one else in the home is effected. While

these heaters are as much as 99% efficient when they are clean and adjusted

correctly, less than optimum burning can occur resulting in increased carbon

monoxide in the home. Even when they are burning the most efficiently, they

will deposit a gallon of water as vapor every 1-3 hrs. Without adequate

ventilation this moisture can settle in the walls, carpets, furniture, etc.

producing breeding grounds for molds and mildew causing respiratory

problems. If this does not apply.....nevr mind. 8>)



--

Steve L





"Herb Quest" <hquest@sisna.com> wrote in message

news:38d1469d_3@news.sisna.com...

> Elderberry tincture works wonderfully along with the other suggested herbs

> in aiding lingering illnesses.  Put the suggested amount of drops into a

> glass of water or your favorite cold, or hot,  three times a day.

> Beesticker <beesticker@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:20000314080501.02594.00001850@ng-fs1.aol.com...

> > >

> > >"Fetch" <fetch@thiswebshore.net> wrote:

> > >

> > >>My friend has had symptoms linger for weeks now.  She had the flu and

> > >>lost her voice for a few days.   Now weeks later she still has a

stuffy

> > >>nose, blurry head and a squeaky voice that breaks up as she talks.

> > >

> > >Echinacea and barberry for the lingering infection (sounds like

> > >something moved after the flu virus), which will also clear out

> > >allergic inflammations (also possible).

> > >

> > >A nice hot tea for the laryungitis - mint, lemon and honey,

> > >almost anything hot will do.

> >

> > It might also be time for a second opinion.  "Flu" goes away in 7-10

days,

> if

> > it sticks around longer it's something else.  It could be a second

> infection,

> > allergies, or something more serious than flu.

> >

> >

>

>









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Subject: Help for a lingering illness

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2000 22:33:37 

--------





	 F> From: "Fetch" <fetch@thiswebshore.net>



 F> My friend has had symptoms linger for weeks now.  ... had the

 F> flu and lost her voice for a few days. ...weeks later she still

 F> has a stuffy nose, blurry head and a squeaky voice ...doctor

 F> just says to wait and it will go away.



 F> I was thinking a tea of mullein, peppermint and catnip would

 F> help.



Would they *hurt?  After wrestling with that stuff for a prolonged

time,  I'd be ready to try most *anything*!   :)  (and those certainly

wouldn't hurt me... especially with your friend being "basically

healthy" otherwise.



cheers,

wlsakowski



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Subject: Re: Help for a lingering illness

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 22 Mar 2000 21:48:08 GMT

--------

Red clover & alfalfa tea is very nourshing as well....





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Subject: Re: Tincturing dried herbs

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 2 Mar 2000 10:14:41 GMT

--------

>

I find I have no problem what so ever in producing enough acid to

digest my food. I think the body adjusts.  Many people don't need the

acid as much as they need the bicarbonate.  I do take pancreatin for

digestion for other reasons however.

>



Linda,



I haven't had any need for bicarbonate (sodium? calcium?) or other antacids in

recent years, don't keep any antacids at home.  More to the point would be

something to stimulate more stomach acid production (proacid?).  Though I eat a

lot of fresh fruits, I am not comfortable with intense sweets.  I stay away from

refined sugar, and even some plain fruits are too sweet for me.



One or two people on the medicinal herb emailing list advise a fruitless menu

for some conditions including food allergies, though they don't say whether that

includes all fruits in the botanical sense, which include cucumbers, squash,

chayote and string beans.



I thought possibly sweet potatoes might be too sweet for you, didn't think about

mold from growing underground.  Fruits too can get moldy.  Sweet potatoes,

potatoes, carrots and other underground vegetables are not moldy when in good

condition, and these would normally be rinsed/scrubbed before cooking or eating.

There are also Caribbean/tropical starchy root/tuber vegetables, like ame (did

the n-tilde come out right?), malanga/yautia/dasheen/taro, lotus root, and

platano (cooking banana: a fruit, not a root).  Butternut squash is lower in

calories than sweet potatoes, a disadvantage to me, though I eat both in season.



Blessed Herbs (http://www.blessedherbs.com, phone 800 489 4372) carries fringe

tree root bark (Chionanthus virginicus) among other herbs: both the straight

dried herb and the alcoholic extract.



I noticed your other message about lupus and the harm done by extensive drug

treatment.  I have been to alt.support.asthma, and their defenders of

straight-and-narrow western medicine would have me on inhalers for life.

Steroid inhalers with the danger of oral thrush would no doubt be bad news for

you.  They don't say it directly, but their definition of quackery seems to be

anything deviating from straight-and-narrow western medicine.



I was delayed in this response because the news.bluegrass.net server was down

for three days with loss of all data, and I had to fish around elsewhere for 

the news messages from that time gap.  Download was very slow with a few

disconnects along the way.  My 56 K modem acted more like 2400 bps.



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Subject: Re: medicinal oils; stinging nettles

From: Rosemarie <knots@mint.net>

Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:41:11 +0000

--------

If the choice is to toss the nettles that you have already begun

infusing in oil, try this (I have infused fresh herbs): Continue

allowing the nettles to macerate in the oil, in a dark, cool place.

Cover the jar with a tissue, secured with a rubberband....do not cover

it with a normal jar cover as this will invite something undesireable

growing. Also, be sure all of the herbs are submerged below the oil and

not exposed at the top of the jar. When the herbs have macerated for the

desired length of time, decant them and again, cover the jar of oil with

a tissue and rubberband; let sit for a day or two and you will notice a

small amount of liquid (other than the olive oil) that has settled in

the bottom of the jar. Pour off the oil *only*, (a turkey baster works

well for this). Cover the (clear glass)jar with a normal lid and look at

it again in a day or two to see if there is any undesireable liquid on

the bottom and repeat the "separation" process again. When you are sure

you have eliminated the 'other' liquid, add a few drops of vitamine E

oil to help preserve your infused oil. Store in a dark colored glass jar

or bottle in a cool place. Shelf life, approx. one year.



Good luck,

Rosemarie



Ingrid Turray wrote:

> 

> Help? Last week I went camping and came upon a nice patch of stinging

> nettle...I harvested them and put them in a plastic bag and they sat

> there over night...The next day I went to my boyfriends house with

> them...I didnt have my recipe book with directions on how to properly

> make medicinal oil but I thought I would take a guess....So...I stuffed

> a jar full of them and topped them off with olive oil....The next day

> when I went home I was reading up on medicinal oils and read that your

> not suppossed to use fresh herbs because of their water

> content....well...too late now...So my question is...is there any way to

> fix what I have done? I posted this question to another news group and

> someone said that I should just throw them out because of the chance of

> botchulism (prolly didnt spell that right) They also said that the

> method I was using is all wrong...I was taught to make a medicinal

> oil..that you fill a jar with chopped up (dry or wilted) herbs..then

> fill with olive oil and let sit for a few weeks....Is this wrong?  Any

> advise would be great....I hope I can save what I have done..I would

> hate to think that I wasted all those stinging nettle....Thanks alot....





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Subject: Recipe Wanted : Drawing salve made with eggs

From: KashmirSky <KashmirSky@aol.com>

Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:18:46 GMT

--------

Does anyone have the old recipe for a homemade drawing salve made with

eggs or the yolk of eggs.  I remember the salve having an olivey

green-grey color similar the the color of over cooked egg yolks. 



KashmirSky@aol.com





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Subject: MSM eyedrops

From: "TJ" <jazzee@nospam.earthling.net>

Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:39:21 -0600

--------

Has anyone ever made eyedrops from MSM? I buy MSM by the pound and was

wondering what to mix it with for eyedrops. Thanks.















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Subject: Rose Geraniums

From: Susan Smith <sesmith2000@home.com>

Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:33:29 GMT

--------



I have a couple of potted geraniums I grew outside last year.  I moved

them inside for the winter, hoping to keep them alive and return them to

the flower bed this spring. They have done OK until recently.   Now, I

find that the plants are bedraggled and losing their leaves.  I was

thinking of cutting them back to see if they would begin to regrow.

Does anyone know how I might revive these plants or, being annuals, are

they at the end of the life cycle?  Thanks Susan Smith







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Subject: Re: Rose Geraniums

From: "shiney" <shines@dynamite.com.au>

Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 19:35:06 GMT

--------

I have a big pot with an enormous rose geranium in it. I've had it in the

pot in my back room for the entire 3 1/2 years I've lived here (and had it

in the same pot when I lived in another city for a year or so.) I've taken

cuttings from it and planted them outdoors, but the winter frost kills them.

The potted baby is still fine, although I think it would benefit from being

but back a little more rigorously. I'm moving house again in a few weeks, so

I'll do it then.



I've found geraniums to be the hardiest of plants! I'm not a gardener, and

most of my plants die sad little deaths, but the geranium just keeps on

going, on a steady diet of herbal tea leaves and water...



Susan, I would just cut off the dead leaves and see what happens...



shiney



Susan Smith wrote in message <38C020C8.7927D81C@home.com>...

>

>I have a couple of potted geraniums I grew outside last year.  I moved

>them inside for the winter, hoping to keep them alive and return them to

>the flower bed this spring. They have done OK until recently.   Now, I

>find that the plants are bedraggled and losing their leaves.  I was

>thinking of cutting them back to see if they would begin to regrow.

>Does anyone know how I might revive these plants or, being annuals, are

>they at the end of the life cycle?  Thanks Susan Smith

>









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Subject: Re: Rose Geraniums

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:18:26 -0500

--------

These can either be kept as a potted plant full-time, and set out in summer-

or you can try what I've been doing (I'm in zone 4-5). I plant them outside

as soon as it is warm enought (after frost is done). I keep fairly

well-groomed (the plant, not me!!) thru the summer to keep the branches

short and encourage a bushy tendency (leaves are great for potpourri!)-

about a month and 1/2 before frost I make sure it seems good and bushy- and

then I pot it up in fall. If I don't keep the pruning going, I find I have a

very leggy plant inside- it doesn't respond well to pruning then- bushes

best with hi lite conditions. But if it is short branches witha lot of

leafage, it LOVES the inside, and will go back out happily too. I haven't

yet gotten good at making baby geraniums, but they say they will sprout with

rootone and potting soil, and maybe in water like you do some of the other

houseplants.

--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



Susan Smith <sesmith2000@home.com> wrote in message

news:38C020C8.7927D81C@home.com...

>

> I have a couple of potted geraniums I grew outside last year.  I moved

> them inside for the winter, hoping to keep them alive and return them to

> the flower bed this spring. They have done OK until recently.   Now, I

> find that the plants are bedraggled and losing their leaves.  I was

> thinking of cutting them back to see if they would begin to regrow.

> Does anyone know how I might revive these plants or, being annuals, are

> they at the end of the life cycle?  Thanks Susan Smith

>









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Subject: Re: Rose Geraniums

From: P & J <pjerlandsen@world.com>

Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 21:47:06 GMT

--------

I have found my Rose Geranium to be one of the best plants to have

around.  I do take off most of the branches at least twice a year or it

would be out of control. I live in zone 9 so the plant does grow year

round in the ground.  I keep mine by the front gate coming into our

yard.



I do have to make sure I clean up all of the branches I cut off or I

have the plants coming out of my ears.  I have had plants come up from

the branches my children have broken off when running by the plants.  I

do admit that the lemon geranium is even hardier than my rose.  I only

water my plant once a month in the summer.  We only received about 6

inches of rain last year so I like the fact that they grow well with

very little water.  I do have a friend whose rose geranium is now a

large bush 5 feet tall and about 10 feet around.  I keep mine a lot

smaller.



J9



LWakefield wrote:

> 

> These can either be kept as a potted plant full-time, and set out in summer-

> or you can try what I've been doing (I'm in zone 4-5). I plant them outside

> as soon as it is warm enought (after frost is done). I keep fairly

> well-groomed (the plant, not me!!) thru the summer to keep the branches

> short and encourage a bushy tendency (leaves are great for potpourri!)-

> about a month and 1/2 before frost I make sure it seems good and bushy- and

> then I pot it up in fall. If I don't keep the pruning going, I find I have a

> very leggy plant inside- it doesn't respond well to pruning then- bushes

> best with hi lite conditions. But if it is short branches witha lot of

> leafage, it LOVES the inside, and will go back out happily too. I haven't

> yet gotten good at making baby geraniums, but they say they will sprout with

> rootone and potting soil, and maybe in water like you do some of the other

> houseplants.

> --

> L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

> to stay inside the lines when parking.

> --

> 

> Susan Smith <sesmith2000@home.com> wrote in message

> news:38C020C8.7927D81C@home.com...

> >

> > I have a couple of potted geraniums I grew outside last year.  I moved

> > them inside for the winter, hoping to keep them alive and return them to

> > the flower bed this spring. They have done OK until recently.   Now, I

> > find that the plants are bedraggled and losing their leaves.  I was

> > thinking of cutting them back to see if they would begin to regrow.

> > Does anyone know how I might revive these plants or, being annuals, are

> > they at the end of the life cycle?  Thanks Susan Smith

> >





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Subject: English Lavender

From: Susan Smith <sesmith2000@home.com>

Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:36:32 GMT

--------

My lavender bush is beginning to put out buds for the spring.  I have

never been good at pruning my herbs.  I want to know if I cut the

flowers from this plant as they bloom, will that cause the lavender to

produce more buds?  I would like to collect enough flowers for cooking

and hopefully an arrangement.  Your input is appreciated.  Thanks,

Susan Smith







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Subject: Re: English Lavender

From: "Adriana Kamenetsky" <adrianakusa@home.com>

Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 22:06:31 GMT

--------

Prune them after the first bloom and through out the summer but stop in the

early fall to allow the plant to get ready for winter(though it depends

which climat you are at).   AK

Susan Smith <sesmith2000@home.com> wrote in message

news:38C0217F.CACF26F5@home.com...

> My lavender bush is beginning to put out buds for the spring.  I have

> never been good at pruning my herbs.  I want to know if I cut the

> flowers from this plant as they bloom, will that cause the lavender to

> produce more buds?  I would like to collect enough flowers for cooking

> and hopefully an arrangement.  Your input is appreciated.  Thanks,

> Susan Smith

>









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Subject: Re: English Lavender

From: Mary <mbuckNOSPAM@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 20:41:32 -0500

--------

Cutting will encourage a rebloom, but the secondary blooms are much fewer

than the first June blooming.  Rebloom in Lavender is more a factor of

weather than anything else.  If your summer is on the cool side, the

lavender will bloom more.  You can also use the leaves in cooking.  Only

use very small amounts - lavender is very potent and you can easily make

something inedible with it (the voice of experience ;-)



Mary



Susan Smith wrote:



> My lavender bush is beginning to put out buds for the spring.  I have

> never been good at pruning my herbs.  I want to know if I cut the

> flowers from this plant as they bloom, will that cause the lavender to

> produce more buds?  I would like to collect enough flowers for cooking

> and hopefully an arrangement.  Your input is appreciated.  Thanks,

> Susan Smith







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tradiotional Chinese Medicine

From: Rosemarie <knots@mint.net>

Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:51:40 +0000

--------

If you are interested in TCM try this URL and search A China-Letter:

<http://igc.topica.com/>. No products to buy.



Rosemarie



lys6 wrote:

> 

> Folks,

> If you are interested to know more about a TCM manufacturer with over

> 266 years of history please visit our web page http://www.lys.com.hk

> Regards





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Subject: Tinctures

From: "Jennifer B" <jenbb@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:39:15 -0500

--------

I have been having a great deal of trouble making my own echinacea

tinctures. So much so that I give up and I am willing to try a reliable

commercial tincture.



Can anybody offer a good source?

Richters only sell plants and seeds.  Any other place?



Thank you

J









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tinctures

From: "Jeff" <jeffy@yahoo.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:05:39 -0500

--------

I have found Healthy by Herbs to be reliable.



The extracts are very high quality



Jeff

Jennifer B <jenbb@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:MuUv4.641$647.58428@news.total.net...

> I have been having a great deal of trouble making my own echinacea

> tinctures. So much so that I give up and I am willing to try a reliable

> commercial tincture.

>

> Can anybody offer a good source?

> Richters only sell plants and seeds.  Any other place?

>

> Thank you

> J

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: : Suma

From: "LOTUS" <lotusr@zahav.net.il>

Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:12:37 +0200

--------

Hi! suma is an indian potion that reganaret mental and phisical powers. made

from EPHEDRA SINICA plant

<kaos2k1@webtv.net>   

:2828-38B076E5-154@storefull-125.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

> What is Suma? I need some info about this  asap  thanx  kaos

>









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Subject: Re: : Suma

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:00:19 +0200

--------

"LOTUS" <lotusr@zahav.net.il> wrote:



><kaos2k1@webtv.net>   

>:2828-38B076E5-154@storefull-125.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

>> What is Suma? I need some info about this  asap  thanx  kaos



>Hi! suma is an indian potion that reganaret mental and phisical powers. made

>from EPHEDRA SINICA plant



No. Ephedra sinica is Ephedra. Suma is Pfaffia paniculata, "Brazilian" ginseng.



Completely different plants. And completely different actions. 

Ephedra will give you a lift by increasing your adrenaline output (if it's from

Eurasia). 

Pfaffia will give you a lift by supporting your adrenal glands. Note that there

are lots of herbs that work in the same way (adaptogens), eg. the ginsengs,

roseroot, maralroot, nettle seed, ashwagandha, Siberian ginseng, gotu kola,

reishi mushroom...



Ephedra will exhaust you in the end. The adaptogens will keep on gently lifting

you; note that you can't expect adaptogens to go well with coffee or other

caffeine-containing plants, and some of them affect your blood pressure.



Henriette



--

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Subject: high blood pressure

From: harmonymom@my-deja.com

Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:10:18 GMT

--------

Hi,  I just found out that among other things, my Grandma has really

high blood pressure and they want to put her on meds which she doesn't

want.  Does anyone have some suggestions or experiences that they could

share with me of bringing down blood pressure naturally, safely and

fairly quickly.



As background: last summer she got really ill with bronchial pnemonia

(sp) aggravated by mild emphysema.  Now (as a result of meds?) she is

losing hair, is extremely fatigued still and is experiencing pains in

her body that feel like they are in her veins.  She is seeing a somewhat

uncooperative doctor (until she can find another).



Thanks for any herbal info.



Keta





Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Before you buy.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: midnight@cableone.net (J & J)

Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 09:07:42 GMT

--------

On 04 Mar 2000 06:35:05 GMT, herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist) wrote:



>Magnesium will lower blood pressure by displacing calcium in the nerve synapse.

>This causes the blood vessels to relax, dropping the blood pressure. This is

>why IV magnesium is used to drop the blood pressure of women with hypertension

>during toxemia of pregnancy. I prefer magnesium to herbs for this purpose

>because the effects last longer. Recommeded dosage is 500mg twice daily. If you

>take too much magnesium it will cause diarrhea.



Can you list some foods that would provide magnesium,  please?

Julia

--"This wasn't in the brochure."--Billy Crystal





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Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 6 Mar 2000 10:18:49 GMT

--------

Green leafy vegetables are a source of magnesium.  Magnesium is part of the

chlorophyll molecule.  I believe carob fruit/powder is also a good source of

magnesium.



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Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:31:24 -0500

--------

Right U R. I was thinking- 'no, it's iron, isn't it?'- but that's heme- part

of the hemoglobin molecule, looks a lot like chlorophyll. Both molecules

handle oxygen in their cellular operations.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



Thomas Mueller <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net> wrote in message

news:952337928.786272@news.bluegrass.net...

> Green leafy vegetables are a source of magnesium.  Magnesium is part of

the

> chlorophyll molecule.  I believe carob fruit/powder is also a good source

of

> magnesium.

>

> (Remove "nospam" from email address)

>









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Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: eggs@telusxplanet.net (elaine & glenn)

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:37:11 GMT

--------

On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:10:18 GMT, harmonymom@my-deja.com wrote:



> Does anyone have some suggestions or experiences that they could

>share with me of bringing down blood pressure naturally, safely and

>fairly quickly.



Hi,



It might be better to get the blood pressure down with medication

first, as high blood pressure can cause kidney failure, stroke and

other fatal illnesses. Once the blood pressure has been brought under

control, and the underlying cause determined, you could work with the

doctor to try to maintain normal blood pressure with herbal

medication, and perhaps also treat the underlying cause.



Hawthorn (Crataegus oxycantha & C. monogyna) is one of the main herbal

cardiac/blood pressure medications. The flowering tops are used to

make an herbal tea to improve poor circulation, decrease angina and

normalize blood pressure. For high blood pressure, it is often

combined with yarrow (Achillea millefolium, aerial parts). Yarrow

should not be used in pregnancy (not a concern for an elderly woman,

obviously) and sometimes causes allergic skin rashes. Linden (Tilea

europaea) flowers are also used.



Herbal teas for blood pressure normalization work gradually over a

period of time. 



Good luck,

E





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Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: "Lani Loring" <llhowell@sonic.net>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:02:50 GMT

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There is increasing evidence of high blood pressure in women who are

hypothyroid (body not producing enough thyroid hormone). The hair loss &

fatigue could also be signs of this condition, & it might be a good idea to

have that checked out. For more information, you can go to Mary Shomon's

thyroid section (very informative!) of About.com. Good Luck!













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Subject: coleus forskohlii

From: Cardinal Sims <cardinalsims@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:02:19 +0100

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Hello Herbalists,



Does anyone know anything about the ayurvedic herb coleus forskohlii?

What is it used for?  What are its drawbacks or dangers?  Where can one

buy it?



thanks,

cardinal







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Subject: Shampoo

From: "Adriana Kamenetsky" <adrianakusa@home.com>

Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 07:07:14 GMT

--------

I have recently tried a shampoo made with hemp oil and all other healthy

ingredients made by Sun Dog in Westby, WI. It is very moisturising and

pleasant.  AK









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Subject: allergic reactions

From: "Rena & Wayne" <renawayne@coastalnet.com>

Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 14:30:48 GMT

--------

I was wondering if anyone would be able to give me some sort of herbal

remedy to treat hives for an allergic reaction for someone who is allergic

to everything.  Please email me at renawayne@coastalnet.com

or post a response.



Thanks,

Wayne









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Subject: Re: allergic reactions

From: Acorn <oakwood@forest.net>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:05:05 +1300

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cod liver oil

oils with alpha linoleic acids

pure water





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Subject: Parsley tip please

From: "David READ" <DJRead@ukgateway.net>

Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:58:28 -0000

--------

Maybe it's just me, but what is the secret of harbouring parsley in a pot

over winter for renewed growth the following spring or even growing

throughout the year.



Dave..











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Subject: Re: Parsley tip please

From: garlicgr@pond.com (The Tetrad)

Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:49:06 GMT

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 "David READ" <DJRead@ukgateway.net> wrote:

>Maybe it's just me, but what is the secret of harbouring parsley in a pot

>over winter for renewed growth the following spring or even growing

>throughout the year.



Strong direct sunlight -- parsley, like all herbs, really enjoys the sun. If 

it's not doing well indoors, it probably doesn't have enough light.





Dinara, the garlic grower      

Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!          <*>



"The decision to feed the world is the real decision.  No revolution has chosen it.  For that choice requires that women shall be free."



--Adrienne Rich, poet



quoted by Vandana Shiva, Keynote Speaker

The Next Agricultural Revolution:  Reclaiming the PASAbilities

Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable Agriculture (PASA) Winter Conference 2000





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Subject: Re: Parsley tip please

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:07:53 -0500

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Oh yeah- also, I think it is a biennial, so it will live to the next year,

but then I think it gets involved in seeding or whatever end-of-life scene

parsley does. (I have't seen it, cuz I always have harvested mine)



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



The Tetrad <garlicgr@pond.com> wrote in message

news:SMdw4.9900$JQ.598198@monger.newsread.com...

> "David READ" <DJRead@ukgateway.net> wrote:

> >Maybe it's just me, but what is the secret of harbouring parsley in a pot

> >over winter for renewed growth the following spring or even growing

> >throughout the year.

>

> Strong direct sunlight -- parsley, like all herbs, really enjoys the sun.

If

> it's not doing well indoors, it probably doesn't have enough light.

>

>

> Dinara, the garlic grower

> Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!          <*>

>

> "The decision to feed the world is the real decision.  No revolution has

chosen it.  For that choice requires that women shall be free."

>

> --Adrienne Rich, poet

>

> quoted by Vandana Shiva, Keynote Speaker

> The Next Agricultural Revolution:  Reclaiming the PASAbilities

> Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable Agriculture (PASA) Winter

Conference 2000









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Subject: Re: Parsley tip please

From: "Kinney/Reid" <kinney-reid@email.msn.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:16:03 -0800

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It tends to be a bit bitter in it's second year, but it's still fine. I

usually manage to keep enough of the plant going to get a second year out of

them. I've just kept mine outside all winter.

ember in Seattle











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Subject: Re: Parsley tip please

From: Mary <mbuckNOSPAM@mindspring.com>

Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:28:16 -0500

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I'm in a warmer summer climate than Seattle and find my 2nd year parsely

furiously going to seed and producing few leaves no matter what I do.  I only

have it the 2nd year because I don't get around to yanking it out.  Better to

plant it every year.



Mary



Kinney/Reid wrote:



> It tends to be a bit bitter in it's second year, but it's still fine. I

> usually manage to keep enough of the plant going to get a second year out of

> them. I've just kept mine outside all winter.

> ember in Seattle







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Subject: Re: Parsley tip please

From: garlicgr@pond.com (The Tetrad)

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 11:02:19 GMT

--------

, mbuck@mindpring.com wrote:

>I'm in a warmer summer climate than Seattle and find my 2nd year parsely

>furiously going to seed and producing few leaves no matter what I do.  I only

>have it the 2nd year because I don't get around to yanking it out.  Better to

>plant it every year.



Let it go to seed -- there's a very good chance you'll end up having your own 

parlsey patch so that you won't have to replant yourself every year.  Also, 

parsley flowers are exactly the type that will feed lots of beneficial insects 

that you *want* roaming around your garden.





Dinara, the garlic grower      

Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!          <*>



"The decision to feed the world is the real decision.  No revolution has chosen it.  For that choice requires that women shall be free."



--Adrienne Rich, poet



quoted by Vandana Shiva, Keynote Speaker

The Next Agricultural Revolution:  Reclaiming the PASAbilities

Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable Agriculture (PASA) Winter Conference 2000





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Subject: Re: Parsley tip please

From: Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 05:38:47 +1200

--------

This post not CC'd by email

 On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 11:02:19 GMT, garlicgr@pond.com (The Tetrad)

wrote:



>, mbuck@mindpring.com wrote:

>>I'm in a warmer summer climate than Seattle and find my 2nd year parsely

>>furiously going to seed and producing few leaves no matter what I do.  I only

>>have it the 2nd year because I don't get around to yanking it out.  Better to

>>plant it every year.

>

>Let it go to seed -- there's a very good chance you'll end up having your own 

>parlsey patch so that you won't have to replant yourself every year.  Also, 

>parsley flowers are exactly the type that will feed lots of beneficial insects 

>that you *want* roaming around your garden.





G'day G'day Folks,



Right on.  The beneficial insects need nutrients from the pollen to

have viable eggs.  



(Likewise few people get to see carrots flower on two year old carrot

plants though they are also very spectacular and well worth having for

the beneficial insects.)  



To have plentiful parsley, take a seed head and sow the seed FRESH.

Find some one with giant flat leaf Italian parsley.  Grow that as a

vegetable.  Parsley is a rich source of a yellow bioflavanoid, lutein

that is essential for protecting the fine detail vision centres of the

eye from blue light damage.  Since lutein is destroyed by heat, it is

smart to have some dishes with raw parsley eg bulgar with chopped

parsley. 





-- 

Quentin Grady       ^  ^  /

New Zealand,       >#,#< [

                    / \ /\    

"... and the blind dog was leading." 



http://linux.inhb.co.nz/blind-dog





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Subject: Ginseng question

From: "jh" <jimhumph@netcomuk.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:13:32 -0000

--------

Could anyone tell me the best way to take Ginseng?

I have some Ginseng herbal tea bags which contain

Panax Ginseng roots.  Is this preferable to taking  Ginseng

in tablet form from the point of view of the quantity/quality

of the Ginseng?



Jim Humphreys









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Subject: Re: Ginseng question

From: Bentley <bentl3y@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:00:17 GMT

--------

In article <89rqvd$8e5$1@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>,

  "jh" <jimhumph@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote:

> Could anyone tell me the best way to take Ginseng?



I reckon the best way to take ginseng is to go into the woods before

dawn with a translplaniting spade and a big old burlap sack. Dig

quickly, but be careful so as not to break the roots. If'n ye hear

shotgun fire or dogs, take off. :) That there's the voice of experience,

y'all.



Hillbilly J





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Subject: exhaution

From: andrea@fingerhut.inka.de (Andrea Walter)

Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 09:46:00

--------

Hi everybody,



I have been readingthis newsgroup for quite some time now, learning a lot  

here. Right now I have a question myself:

What herbal remedies are there to help my mother come out of her extreme  

exhaustion? To give a little information: my mother is 52years old and a  

very active primary school teacher. Right now there is a _lot_ of work to  

do, work that need her full strength. I am not sure wether she is  

exhausted and therefore she cannot handle the work or wether there is so  

much work and therefore she is exhausted. (Well, maybe this doesn`t make  

any difference, but I thought it might be importand to know wether it  

makes more sense to help her get more energy or just something so relieve  

the stress)

Oh, yes, there is no way to avoid the work.

Other than that: she takes ...errrr.....(the female sexual hormone  

"Oestrogen" in German - I don't know the English name for it. Maybe  

someone could help out, please?), but is healthy in every other respect.



Thanks for your help,



Andrea



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Subject: Re: exhaution

From: Zaphod & Trillian <heart@gold.net>

Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:15:05 -0800

--------

There is a derivative of Mexican Wild Yam, marketed as

DHEA that is available in the US.  My Dutch friends tell me

that they cannot get it in the Netherlands.  It is helpful for

exhaustion in people over 40.  Look for information before

you use any product.





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Subject: Re: exhaution

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:29:00 +0200

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andrea@fingerhut.inka.de (Andrea Walter) wrote:

>What herbal remedies are there to help my mother come out of her extreme  

>exhaustion?



No coffee, no caffeine-containing plants at all (that's tea, cocoa, mate...).

If that doesn't help within two weeks or so have her checked for hypothyroidism.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: exhaution

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:38:52 GMT

--------

Hallo Andrea,



Auf pflanzlicher Basis gibt es verschiedene Mglichkeiten, Mdigkeit

und Erschpfung zu therapieren.



- Ginsengwurzel (Ginseng radix, Familie: Araliaceae)



Ist ein Tonicum und wird angewendet bei Mdigkeit und

Erschpfungszustnden, bei nachlassender Leistungs- und

Konzentrationsfhigkeit.



Wie bei vielen pflanzlichen Heilmitteln ist es wichtig, dass es in der

vorgeschriebenen Dosis ber eine lngere Zeit konsequent eingenommen

wird.



Nebenwirkungen treten selten auf, hchstens bei hoher Dosis und

Anwendung ber eine sehr lange Zeit. Es sind z.B. Schlaflosigkeit,

Nervositt etc. Das ist interessant, weil man davon ableiten kann,

dass es die Pflanze wirkt.



- Gingkobltter (Gingko biloba, Familie: Gingkoacea)



Wird auch bei Mdigkeit angewendet, die Hauptindikation sind aber

Konzentrationsstrungen und eine verminderte intellektuelle

Leistungsfhigkeit.



Bei beiden Prparaten gilt, dass man einen standardisierten Extakt in

Kapsel / Tablettenform der Anwendung eines Tees vorzieht. Das hat viele

Vorteile, vor allem aber die Tatsache, dass ein gleichbleibender

Wirksoffgehalt garantiert ist und so auch die Wirkung konstant bleibt.

Bei einem Tee besteht die Gefahr, dass entweder zuwenig Wirkstoff

enthalten ist oder zuviel.

Lass dich am besten in einer Apotheke in DL beraten, welches das beste

Produkt ist.



- Vitaminprparate (Breites Spektrum + Mineralstoffe/Spurenelemente)



Mdigkeit kann auch von einer schlechten Versorgung des Krpers mit

Vitaminen herrhren. Das muss nicht bedeuten, dass deine Mutter

schlecht ernhrt ist, es kann auch bedeuten, dass

der Verbrauch gestiegen ist (was bei Stress tatschlich der Fall ist)

oder die Aufnahme der Vitamine im Magendarmtrakt nicht optimal ist.

Vitaminprparate nimmt man in der Regel als

Kapsel/Tablette/Brausetablette 1 Stck mit dem Essen einnehmen

Morgenessen. Riskien und Nebenwirkungen sind selten.





Das sind so die gngigsten Mglichkeiten, Mdigkeit / Erschpfung mit

Pflanzen zu therapieren.

Erschpfung kann aber auch durch viele andere Faktoren ausgelst werden:



- Stress. Du hast es schon selbst angetnt, dass deine Mutter im Moment

ziemlich beschftigt ist.

Trotz allem ist in diesem Fall die beste Lsung, ein wenig zu

reduzieren, halt irgendein Amt aufzugeben oder einfach mal nein zu

sagen, wenn jemand von einem etwas will und zu erklren, warum es nicht

geht. Stress auf die Dauer ist sehr ungesund, es ist ein Risikofaktor

fr schwere Herzkreislauferkrankungen, fhrt zu Magenbersuerung und

zu Depressionen. (sogenannte Erschpfungsdepression).



- Eisenmangel und niedriger Blutdruck. (Symptome zustzlich: kalte

Hnde, Schwindel, blasse Haut, Schwarzwerden vor den Augen etc.)



- Unterfunktion der Schilddrse



- usw.



Mit den letzten zwei Punkten will ich nur andeuten, dass dahinter auch

echte Krankheiten stecken knnen, d.h. wenn es zulange dauert und nicht

bessert/sich verschlimmert, sollte man einmal einen Arzt aufsuchen.



Sowieso ist es schwierig, etwas zu empfehlen, wenn man den Patienten

nicht sieht und nicht mit ihm sprechen kann, aber so wie du es

schilderst, ist anzunehmen, dass die Erschpfung deiner

Mutter vom Stress herrhrt, kombiniert auch mit dem Alter und der

Menopause. Um 50 beginnt das Alter und vieles funktioniert nicht mehr

so, wie man es gewohnt ist.

Die Menopause ist auch eine Ursache fr Mdigkeit, das wird ja aber

bereits therapiert mit den

strogenen.



Meine Empfehlung:



- Ginseng und oder

- Vitamine (Kur)

- Stress reduzieren

- Beim nchsten Besuch mit dem Frauenarzt ber die Mdigkeit reden,

denn es ist ein auch ein Problem in der Menopause.

- andere mglich Ursachen herausfinden.



zu den Empfehlungen von alt.folklore.herbs:



Um Gottes Willen kein DHEA!! Das ist ein Hormon und in den USA oder

sonstwo nicht als Medikament zugelassen, sondern durch eine

Gesetzeslcke als Nahrungsmittelergnzung.

Es kann viele schdliche Wirkungen haben. Ausserdem msstest du es

schwarz kaufen und

nach irgendwelchen Pseudoinformationen anwenden.



Pass auf bei alt.folklore.herbs. Die Leute haben zum Teil keine Ahnung,

was sie tun. Es ist amsant, es zu lesen, aber vieles ist falsch,

unvollstndig oder gefhrlich.



viele Grsse,



Alex Crousoe





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Subject: Re: exhaution

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 13:10:15 +0200

--------

crousoe@my-deja.com wrote:

>Pass auf bei alt.folklore.herbs. Die Leute haben zum Teil keine Ahnung,

>was sie tun. Es ist amsant, es zu lesen, aber vieles ist falsch,

>unvollstndig oder gefhrlich.



Heh. So we have yet another scaremongerer in AFH? I find AFH -far- better than,

say, de.alt.naturheilkunde... I do hope you're cleaning up your own doorstep,

too.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: exhaution

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 06:56:09 -0700

--------

andrea@fingerhut.inka.de (Andrea Walter) wrote:



>What herbal remedies are there to help my mother come out of her extreme  

>exhaustion? To give a little information: my mother is 52years old and a  

>very active primary school teacher. Right now there is a _lot_ of work to  

>do, work that need her full strength. I am not sure wether she is  

>exhausted and therefore she cannot handle the work or wether there is so  

>much work and therefore she is exhausted. (Well, maybe this doesn`t make  

>any difference, but I thought it might be importand to know wether it  

>makes more sense to help her get more energy or just something so relieve  

>the stress)



  Listen to the body!  It's  saying "this is too much to handle".



  Get her some physical HELP if the work is strenous and some

counselling if the work is emotionally stressful.  Using herbs to

force the body/mind into having enough energy to deal with

something that is really too much to handle is unwise.  The

person usually collapses afterwards, in far worse shape than

before.  



>Oh, yes, there is no way to avoid the work.



  What part of her work load CAN be dumped?  If she's a

compulsive overachiever, she needs to realize that Superwoman

does not exist, and it's OK to hire help and postpone the

non-critical tasks or skip them completely. 







Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: exhaution

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 07 Mar 2000 03:15:39 GMT

--------

If your mom is menopausal she might enjoy Susun Weed's book, Menopausal Years.

She's had it translated into German but I don't know the title in German,

sorry.



Belinda





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Subject: exhaution

From: andrea@fingerhut.inka.de (Andrea Walter)

Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:04:00

--------

Hello Henriette!



 HK> >Pass auf bei alt.folklore.herbs. Die Leute haben zum Teil keine

 HK> >Ahnung, was sie tun. Es ist amuesant, es zu lesen, aber vieles ist

 HK> >falsch, unvollstaendig oder gefaehrlich.

 HK> Heh. So we have yet another scaremongerer in AFH? I find AFH -far-

 HK> better than, say, de.alt.naturheilkunde...

You are -definately- right about d.a.n. There is no question at all! (I  

tried to read it but I gave up after 2 weeks)

But if you take the above warning as a kind reminder that one should be  

critical about information, it's ok, right?



 HK> I do hope you're cleaning up your own doorstep, too.

Well. I take it that you are talking about him criticising d.a.n. before  

a.f.h. As long as he reads it - yes, than you are definately right. If he  

doesn't - well, I guess one could discuss the tone of his voice, but other  

than that I just take as a "whatch it, you have to confirm any  

information".





Regards,

Andrea



By the way: your FAQs are great. Thanks for the trouble of keeping them  

up!

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Subject: Re: Just wondering

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 5 Mar 2000 11:32:35 GMT

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>

Wouldn't a dirty sock be just as effective?



"Mt herbs" <mtherbs@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20000229215147.13866.00002657@ng-cl1.aol.com...

 As far as relaxation. Valerian in dream pillows works,

>



I used valerian root some time ago, and the smell was not bad!  Nothing like

dirty socks.  Now I find the smell of coffee unpleasant, though not comparable

to dirty socks, and nowhere near as bad as tobacco smoke.



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Subject: Re: Chinese ephedra

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 5 Mar 2000 11:32:40 GMT

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>

I've used ma huang for years.  Using a whole herb is altogether

different than taking 'ingredients' (constituents) of an herb.

I've never found it  more 'stimulating' than caffeine, and it has

other constituents in it's makeup that off-sets those listed above.

>



Do you use ma huang on a steady basis?  I formerly used it, though not on a

steady basis.  Sometimes, a few hours later, I would wake up with violent

coughing, though I can't say ma huang ever harmed me.  But I seemed to do better

with lobelia until I discovered the virtues of green tea.  In Chinese medicine,

ma huang is used for asthma in some conditions but not others.



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Subject: Re: Chinese ephedra

From: "Lani Loring" <llhowell@sonic.net>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:06:26 GMT

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What do you use the lobelia & green tea for? Asthmatic conditions or Sinus

congestion? Thanks.









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Subject: Re: Chinese ephedra

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 8 Mar 2000 11:07:31 GMT

--------

>What do you use the lobelia & green tea for? Asthmatic conditions or Sinus

>congestion? Thanks.



I presume that question was directed to me.  I use lobelia and green tea mainly

for asthmatic conditions, though I haven't used lobelia in some time.  Effect of

green tea is longer-lasting, and I don't get the intensity of chest tightness or

coughing that I got before green tea.



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Subject: hot flushes

From: "Sally Pointer" <Sally.Pointer@tesco.net>

Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:42:19 -0000

--------

Any advice on straightforwards preparations my mother could try to alleviate

the menopausal hot flushes that are interrupting her sleep. She doesnt

routinely use herbal medicine so it needs to be something I can blend up for

her and would be easy to take or apply.

many thanks

Sally









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Subject: Re: hot flushes

From: evbiggio@swbell.net (Evelyn Biggio)

Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 22:46:35 GMT

--------



I've used black cohosh and soy with good results.

On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:42:19 -0000, "Sally Pointer"

<Sally.Pointer@tesco.net> wrote:



>Any advice on straightforwards preparations my mother could try to alleviate

>the menopausal hot flushes that are interrupting her sleep. She doesnt

>routinely use herbal medicine so it needs to be something I can blend up for

>her and would be easy to take or apply.

>many thanks

>Sally

>

>





Evelyn

Check out my woodcarving site at:

 http://home.swbell.net/lbiggio





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Subject: Re: hot flushes

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 06 Mar 2000 02:08:42 GMT

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Motherwort tincture in a glass of water....





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Subject: Re: hot flushes

From: Zaphod & Trillian <heart@gold.net>

Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:17:33 -0800

--------

This may sound funny, but one of the best ways to combat hot

flashes is by eating oatmeal.  Oatmeal is a very good source

of plant estrogens.





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Subject: Re: hot flushes

From: jamie@bozo2.local.net (jamie)

Date: 6 Mar 2000 06:53:50 GMT

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Sally Pointer <Sally.Pointer@tesco.net> wrote:

>Any advice on straightforwards preparations my mother could try to alleviate

>the menopausal hot flushes that are interrupting her sleep. She doesnt

>routinely use herbal medicine so it needs to be something I can blend up for

>her and would be easy to take or apply.



My mother-in-law decided to quit Premarin, and is getting good results

from a soy-based herbal menopause product called "Estroven."



-- 

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Subject: Re: hot flushes

From: "Evelyn Ruut" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:16:49 -0500

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jamie <jamie@bozo2.local.net> wrote in message

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> Sally Pointer <Sally.Pointer@tesco.net> wrote:

> >Any advice on straightforwards preparations my mother could try to

alleviate

> >the menopausal hot flushes that are interrupting her sleep. She doesnt

> >routinely use herbal medicine so it needs to be something I can blend up

for

> >her and would be easy to take or apply.

>

> My mother-in-law decided to quit Premarin, and is getting good results

> from a soy-based herbal menopause product called "Estroven."





The best herb for hot flashes is Motherwort.   Get it in the tincture form

and put some drops in water and sip.



Also, buy Susun Weed's book, "The Menopausal Years the Wise Woman Way"

which outlines lots of good tips on how to treat menopausal symptoms

naturally.



Regards,

Evelyn









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Subject: Re: hot flushes

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:11:30 GMT

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>> >Any advice on straightforwards preparations my mother could try to

>alleviate

>> >the menopausal hot flushes that are interrupting her sleep. She doesnt

>> >routinely use herbal medicine so it needs to be something I can blend up

>for

>> >her and would be easy to take or apply.

>>

>> My mother-in-law decided to quit Premarin, and is getting good results

>> from a soy-based herbal menopause product called "Estroven."

>

>

>The best herb for hot flashes is Motherwort.   Get it in the tincture form

>and put some drops in water and sip.

>

>Also, buy Susun Weed's book, "The Menopausal Years the Wise Woman Way"

>which outlines lots of good tips on how to treat menopausal symptoms

>naturally.

>

>Regards,

>Evelyn



 lol..thats why Ii suggested Motherwort a few day ago as well. Susun Weed's

book is excellent,isn't it? I had the chance to meet her in a seminar she gave

a few months back. I tell ya...She is one awesome crone. lol 



Peace,

~*Jo*~ 











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Subject: Re: hot flushes

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:53:53 GMT

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Hi Sally



A good way is also to use a standerdized extract from Cimicifuga

racemosa rhizome (family: Ranunculaceae) in tablet / capsule form.

Usually this has to be taken 2 or 3 times a day. Side-effects are rare,

sometimes troubles in the stomach / intestine occur but this can happen

with almost every herb or medicine. It should not be used too long (not

more than half a year).

This plant is very often used in Europe and seems to have a good effect.



About the menopause I think it is important to be informed and be sure

that one is familiar with the symptoms, treatments and risks.

The menopause is not trivial. It is an important change in the life of

a woman.



Here are some points I think are important but I would read about it

and talk to a doctor about it as well.



- Besides psychological problems (fear, insomnia, depression,

irritability) and physical symptoms such as hot flush, dryness of skin,

infections, two things are especially important.



                    1) increased risk of osteoporosis

	 	    2) increased risk of cardiovascular diseases



- Some authors think that a lot of the physical problems are actually

caused by the psychological symptoms. Thus the psychological symptoms

should be taken seriously and be treated if necessary.



- Estrogens are not just bad. There are a lot of benefits. After all

the menopause is caused by a decreased level of estrogens. So a

substitution is the logical consequence. There are side-effects, yes.

But only if you know the risks AND the benefits you can decide what you

want to do.



Alex Crousoe





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Subject: Tendinitis/Bursitis

From: DepressedGrl <jewishpunkrockgirlNOjeSPAM@my-deja.com.invalid>

Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 07:35:58 -0800

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Can anyone help me with how to deal with this problem?  The

muscle in my hip and hip flexors bother me all the time.





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Subject: Re: Tendinitis/Bursitis

From: "Steve L" <slb50@interpath.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 10:43:24 -0500

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Based on the little info you provided, I would go see a good Chiropractor.



--

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Slow and steady progress is better than rushing to injury.



I'm no expert so get other opinions too.



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Subject: Re: Tendinitis/Bursitis

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 05 Mar 2000 19:03:45 EDT

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DepressedGrl   wrote:

De> Can anyone help me with how to deal with this problem?  The

De> muscle in my hip and hip flexors bother me all the time.



    Use a good, high quality magnetic mattress pad with the

    negative (north) side facing toward the body  ??????



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Subject: Re: Tendinitis/Bursitis

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 06:50:34 -0700

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DepressedGrl <jewishpunkrockgirlNOjeSPAM@my-deja.com.invalid>

wrote:



>Can anyone help me with how to deal with this problem?  The

>muscle in my hip and hip flexors bother me all the time.



These are usually an ergonomic problem. 



Exercise it.  Walking at first and then gentle stretching

exercises.  Make sure when you sit that you are sitting with the

weight balanced on both hips.  



And if you habitually tote a heavy purse of backpack, get rid of

it or at least swap sides so you carry it the same amount of time

on both sides. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



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politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: china no 1 - tian xian liquid

From: "marcus" <abc@tdinfo.com>

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:40:27 +0800

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who has tried China No. 1 - Tian Xian Liquid?

It is so expensive!

good day.











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Subject: obsessive compulsive disorder

From: Diamond <diamonddustNOdiSPAM@quixnet.net.invalid>

Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 10:33:28 -0800

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Does anyone have info on what herbs can help with OCD?





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Subject: Re: obsessive compulsive disorder

From: "LadyBlue" <ladyblue@corecomm.net>

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:14:04 -0600

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Going through some of my herb books this morning searching for something

else, I happened to run across a short article on Dr. Edward Bach.  His

flower essences are based upon emotional issues.



The article stated:  "White Chestnut is intended to calm those who can't let

go of a problem, turning it over obsessively in their minds.  These people

may be prone to insomnia or headaches."



Here's a website link, or you can enter "rescue remedy" into your search

engine to find many more sites with information about the essences:

http://www.bachflower.com/Bach_flower_essences.htm



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Subject: Re: obsessive compulsive disorder

From: <NEWCAL@telusplanet.net>

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:19:19 GMT

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Yes,

A good friend of mind has this condition, She finds that Kava Kava works

very well.



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>

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Subject: Re: obsessive compulsive disorder

From: "melody" <harpole@mailbox.orst.edu>

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:59:33 -0800

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If it's a mild case of OCD, then St. John's Wart will help.  But your friend

really needs to see a psychologist.  I would recommend taking up Yoga or

meditation also.  I have OCD, I did the herbal treatment for years - but

finally gave up last month.  Now I'm on some prescription medication.  I'll

probably end up going back though.  Even the smallest doses gives me side

effects.  At least St..  John's doesn't have bad side effects for most

people.



Melody







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>A good friend of mind has this condition, She finds that Kava Kava works

>very well.

>

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>>Does anyone have info on what herbs can help with OCD?

>>

>>

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Subject: Re: obsessive compulsive disorder

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 03:48:54 GMT

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I have seen stuff about sub-clinical deficiencies of B and other vitamins

related to this.



--

sos

O@H survival guide http://metrak.com/OaH





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> Yes,

> A good friend of mind has this condition, She finds that Kava Kava works

> very well.

>

> Diamond wrote in message <0a719060.8e8709a9@usw-ex0106-048.remarq.com>...

> >Does anyone have info on what herbs can help with OCD?











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Subject: Re: obsessive compulsive disorder

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 08:11:35 +0200

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"sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au> wrote:

>I have seen stuff about sub-clinical deficiencies of B and other vitamins

>related to this.



...so if the diet is good you should then look at food sensitivities and/or

allergies.



How does she jump from vitamin deficiencies to -that-? Because whenever there's

a food sensitivity the mucous membranes of the small intestine are irritated.

When they are irritated they don't digest things properly. When they don't

digest things properly the receptors in the _last_ foot or two of the small

intestine take whatever's undigested and coming past. If that includes sugars,

fats, and alcohols the vitamins, minerals and trace elements can get in line,

but usually they just go past, unabsorbed, because the absorption points are

busy right now, please move on, nothing to see here, crowds aren't appreciated

here, move on move on.



Some vitamins cannot be absorbed -anywhere- else, among them folic acid and B12.



If you do mineral teas (nettles, clover, horsetail etc. as a tea, drink within

an hour of making it) the minerals and trace elements in these plants are

absorbed through the stomach lining. If you don't do mineral teas the only place

for absorption for a lot of these, too, is the last foot or two of the small

intestine... which may still be checking your food matter for fats, sugars and

alcohols, and ignoring minerals and traces completely.



Major food sensitivity culprits are usually:

- milk lactose and milk proteins (a milk protein sensitivity won't show in 

  a lactose test)

- wheat and other gluten-containing foods

- potatoes and other solanaceous foods (tomatoes, paprika, chili, aubergine...)



There are of course other food sensitivities, but they are usually easy to spot

because you only indulge every now and then. Above three are staples in our

diet. 

To find out if you are sensitive (or allergic) to one or more of these: leave

them completely out of your food for three weeks, one group at a time. You don't

feel better? Okay, start eating that one again, in fact, eat normally for a

week, then leave out the next group for three weeks.

You have to be -very- strict, the test won't work if you, in the milk group,

slip in premade foods with milk powder or pills bulked up with lactose. In the

potato group, beware of foods made with potato flour.



If the kid is sensitive to one of those groups you have to leave said group out

of his/her diet -completely-.



And for kids and others who can't resist artificially flavored or colored

candies: at least artificial red but others too.

If you can't resist these candies you have to do something for your liver.

Dandelion, Berberis, milk thistle are some herbs for that.



Cheers

Henriette



--

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Subject: Re: obsessive compulsive disorder

From: watch99@yahoo.com

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 03:34:25 GMT

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People with this condition should look at the following site:

http://rbt.tripod.com/index-4.html





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Subject: Re: obsessive compulsive disorder

From: Raven Arani <raven_arani@my-deja.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:15:59 -0600

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I did a report for my psych class last semester.  Here is the excerpt on

the treatment portion of my report which includes medical treatments as

well as alternative.  This is just from info I found on the internet and

in books - I am not a doctor or herbalist.  See a doctor before trying

any of the herbal treatments.



There are many different medical treatments for OCD.  Behavioral therapy

is usually the treatment used first and the most successful.  It helps

the person to change their thoughts and feelings by changing their

behavior.  There are many different types of behavioral therapy.



Desensitization is the procedure in which the patient is first taught

relaxation techniques such as imagery, breathing skills, and muscle

relaxation.  Then the patient is exposed to things that cause them

anxiety, beginning with the one that causes the least and working

towards the one that causes the most. When exposed to these situations,

the patient uses the relaxation techniques to stay calm.  This is

repeated until the patient is fully relaxed when exposed to the

stimuli.  



Exposure is a technique that involves the patient to be in contact with

what disturbs them for a certain amount of time and not following

through with a ritual.  For example, someone with an obsession about

germs is told to stay in contact with "dirty" objects and is not allowed

to wash his or her hands.  This is done until they no longer have an

anxiety about touching "dirty" things.



Saturation is a method in which the patient is told to do nothing but

think about one obsessive thought for 10-15 minutes at a time over 3-5

days.  After this period of time, the obsession can lose some of its

strength.

Thought-stopping teaches the individual how to halt obsessive thoughts. 

After proper identification of an obsessive thought, the patient is to

stop thinking about it.  This can be done by yelling the word "stop"

loudly or snapping a rubber-band that is around the wrist whenever the

thought enters their mind.



Flooding is a technique that is used as a last resort because it can

further traumatize the patient.  Using the flooding method, the

individual is exposed to their most anxiety-causing obsession.  As they

are exposed to this, they are to use the relaxation techniques that they

learned.  Obviously, if the patient is not able to cope with being

exposed to their greatest fear, it can be a major set back.



Most people being treated for OCD also need to take medication.

Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI) is the type of medication

used.  This includes Anafranil, Prozac, Luvox, Paxil, and Zoloft.  These

work by increasing the brain's ability to use serotonin and, as they are

also antidepressants, relieving distressing symptoms.  A person with OCD

needs to take 2-4 times more of the drug than someone who is taking it

for depression.  Generally, at 40-95% decrease in symptoms can be

expected from using these medications. (OC and Spectrum Disorder)  All

of the medications have similar side effects with include insomnia,

nervousness, restlessness, nausea, diarrhea, and sexual problems.



As stated before, PET scans show that certain areas of the brain in a

person with OCD are overactive causing them to become "stuck".  Studies

show that ten weeks of behavioral therapy or using Prozac will unstick

these areas. (NAMI/NYC)  PET scans taken after behavioral therapy or

medication show that the area of the brain that helps to switch from one

thought to another cools down.



Some people may not want to take medication.  Perhaps they have side

effects from them or they do not wish to take an unnatural substance. 

While holistic remedies for OCD have not been proven, there are some

treatments for anxiety that may help.  A change in the daily eating

habits, such as eating frequent meals in smaller portions, rather than

three larger meals a day, can help.  In addition, eating foods like

asparagus, garlic, salmon, apricots, avocados, green leafy vegetables,

yogurt, whole grains and high complex carbohydrates can be helpful. 

Bananas are helpful as they contain serotonin.  Caffeine should be

avoided because it can provoke excessive anxiety and panic attacks. 

Additional foods to avoid are refined sugars, carbonated drinks, and

animal products.  Vitamins that can help reduce stress and anxiety are

calcium, magnesium, B vitamins and zinc. 

A number of herbs can be helpful in reducing stress.   St. John's Wort

and kava kava have positive results.  A tea made of skull cap and

valerian will help calm the nervous system and Lady's slipper and lime

blossom will help ease anxiety and tension.  Herbs to be added to a warm

bath to bring relief from anxiety are lavender, geranium, and bergamot

in a carrier oil of sweet almond or peach kernel.



There are specific flower essence remedies that can help abate feelings

of anxiety.  Red chestnut helps reduce anxiety due to worrying about the

welfare of others.  Elm is used for anxiety accompanied by feelings of

being unable to cope.  Aspen is for anxiety caused by no apparent

reason. (Shealy)



Exercise is an excellent anxiety reducer.  Aerobic exercise, such as

cycling, swimming, and walking, relieves tension, improves breathing and

triggers the release of endorphins, the body's natural antidepressants. 

Deep breathing for 10-15 minutes when anxiety begins can help to dispel

it.  



Dr. Mary Reed has some experience treating people with OCD.  She is a

Certified Natural Health Professional specializing in Iridology and

Herbology and has a Doctorate of Naturopathy.  She has found that RE-X,

spirulina, and Flaxseed oil work best.  Most people using this

combination report that they are symptom free within 9 months.

(www.marysherbs.com/heal-ocd.htm)  Visiting a professional homeopath is

advised.  He or she will recommend what is best for the patient to help

achieve the maximum benefits.





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> 

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> 

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pouring like an avalanche, coming down the mountain."     --Butthole

Surfers - "Pepper"



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certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie

through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but

through striving after rational knowledge." - Albert Einstein

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Subject: This Newsgroup

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:59:50 GMT

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What you should consider if you read about herbs in this newsgroup and

want to use them on yourself.





1. Don`t trust.



2. You need  SPECIFIC information.



Example: Use hypericum for depression is not enough.



- exact name of the plant / species ?

- dosage? How many times a day?

- duration of the therapy?

- extracts: what kind of extract (alcohol/water...)? temperature?

- etc.



3. Source of the information.



Who wrote the article? Can you really trust someone who calls

himself Zaphod

(a two-headed character from an SF-book) or Crousoe (this guy on the

island)?



4. Risks.



- side effects

- interactions with other medications

- contraindications

- toxic?

- carcinogenic?

- teratogen?



5. Personal expericences.



Maybe something worked out well for patient X. Does this mean it will

work for patient Y,

too? And if patient X tells us about it, won`t he be prejudiced?



6. Cultural uses.



The Romans used this herb against headache

Doesn`t mean anything. Maybe the patient died a month later because of

a severe

kidney damage. Also the Romans did quite a lot of things and some of

them weren`t

exactly good.



7. Quality of your herbs.





Alex Crousoe





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Subject: Re: This Newsgroup

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 06 Mar 2000 02:07:20 GMT

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>What you should consider if you read about herbs in this newsgroup and

>want to use them on yourself.

>



>- exact name of the plant / species ?

>- dosage? How many times a day?

>- duration of the therapy?

>- extracts: what kind of extract (alcohol/water...)? temperature?

>- etc.

>

>

>Alex Crousoe

>



You forgot to include asking "what part of the plant should be used? " in some

cases ,such a rhubarb for example..it matters.





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Subject: Baking Products That will last for travelling

From: "Bonnie Inglis" <b-inglis@home.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 02:50:21 GMT

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I am looking for recipes for baking products that will last a month or so,

suitable for travelling.











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Subject: Re: Baking Products That will last for travelling

From: Don Wiss <donwiss@spam_not.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:22:54 -0500

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On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 02:50:21 GMT, Bonnie Inglis <b-inglis@home.com> wrote:



>I am looking for recipes for baking products that will last a month or so,

>suitable for travelling.



Well, it is not baked, but pemmican is the most nutritious food with a long

shelf life. Properly made it can keep for years, and it is nutritious

enough that one can live on it and no other food (8 oz a day needed).

Basically pemmican is rendered suet and ground up dried meat. It is a

traditional Native American food. You can find many pages on it at:



  http://w4.lns.cornell.edu/~seb/pemmican.html



Don (donwiss at panix.com).





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Subject: Re: Baking Products That will last for travelling

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:06:10 -0700

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Don Wiss <donwiss@spam_not.com> wrote:



>On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 02:50:21 GMT, Bonnie Inglis <b-inglis@home.com> wrote:

>

>>I am looking for recipes for baking products that will last a month or so,

>>suitable for travelling.



>Well, it is not baked, but pemmican is the most nutritious food with a long

>shelf life. Properly made it can keep for years, and it is nutritious

>enough that one can live on it and no other food (8 oz a day needed).



>Basically pemmican is rendered suet and ground up dried meat.



  Pemmican needs a source of carbohydrates, or the warrior goes

into ketoacidosis in a couple of days.  The traditional Nez Perce

recipe is pounded dried berries and pounded dried meat (30-50%

berries, the rest meat, by volume), and enough fat poured over it

to make it stick together when packed into containers. 

  The Canadian Army tested pemmican as a food source in WWII, and

according to their results, the soldiers were in heavy

ketoacidosis and not fit for combat after a few days.  I was

always puzzled by this, because various relatives had subsisted

on it for a week or more when hunting with no effects.  Then I

found the orignial research ... they used lean dried beef and

beef suet.  No berries.  Not good for survival food.  that was

the pemmican recipe that is used wnen making camp stews - cut off

chunk, throw in pot with whatever roots you dug up and boil until

tender.



http://www.grin.net/~thanos/PEMMICAN.html  has a recipe that

would work well.   



http://members.tripod.com/~Dietman2/pemmican.html is an OK trail

snack, but I would not use it as survival rations.  Needs more

fruit. 







Tsu Dho Nimh



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politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Baking Products That will last for travelling

From: Don Wiss <donwiss@spam_not.com>

Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:16:09 -0500

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On Mon, 06 Mar 2000, Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:



>>On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 02:50:21 GMT, Bonnie Inglis <b-inglis@home.com> wrote:

>>

>>>I am looking for recipes for baking products that will last a month or so,

>>>suitable for travelling.



>  Pemmican needs a source of carbohydrates, or the warrior goes

>into ketoacidosis in a couple of days. 



Okay. But maybe this traveler will be able to buy some fruit juice to wash

it down, or maybe even a piece of fruit? But then maybe Bonnie is planning

to spend a month in the wilderness. If so, she can bring the crackers to

put under the pemmican.



Don (donwiss at panix.com).





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Subject: Re: Baking Products That will last for travelling

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:07:36 -0700

--------

"Bonnie Inglis" <b-inglis@home.com> wrote:



>I am looking for recipes for baking products that will last a month or so,

>suitable for travelling.



Search the Web for "hardtack" ... it's the old soldier's and

sailor's standby bread.  You need to dunk it in something or you

will break your teeth.  



Lavosh, and "piki bread" are other candidates. 



Or just buy a lot of crackers?  



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Wounds/Comfrey usage

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:58:24 GMT

--------

I have just had some surgery, the stitches have just come out of some rather

large incisions.



I also have a pretty big comfrey plant out the back and I wondered how best

to apply to the wounds.  Mostly I have just found references to infusions of

the leaves and of the root which I guess I would just apply directly to the

wound.



Also, when drying the leaves, I have been cutting off the stems but they

seem to contain stacks of gooey juice which must be good for something -

should I be drying/processing that too?  What about putting all the green

parts through a juicer?



Suggestions please (and not limited to comfrey).



Cheers



--

sos

O@H survival guide http://metrak.com/OaH













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Subject: Re: Wounds/Comfrey usage

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:16:48 -0700

--------

"sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au> wrote:



>I have just had some surgery, the stitches have just come out of some rather

>large incisions.

>

>I also have a pretty big comfrey plant out the back and I wondered how best

>to apply to the wounds. 



  Fresh leaves are best NOT applied to any wounds!  The natural

plant bacteria contain some of the nastiest pathogens you can

encounter (mostly Pseudomas species) and make the flesh-eating

bacteria look like a house pet.  



I assume you are worried about the big scars. Here's what plastic

surgeons I worked with advised:

   Wait until the little wounds where the stitches were removed

have healed over.  

   Then rubbing the scar daily with any lotion will usually keep

the scar tissue flexible.  Cocoa butter, lanilin, bear grease ...

it really doesn't matter. 

  AVOID sunlight ... that area will be suceptible to

over-pigmentation and darkening for a couple of years.  Use

high-value sunscreens and sunblockers. 



  Over time, scars naturally shrink and fade as the body

continues the repair job, and some can vanish entirely.  If you

don't harass it now with all kinds of folk remedies the process

will be quicker







Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Wounds/Comfrey usage

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:51:09 -0500

--------

   In West Virginia we used both comfrey poultice and comfrey salves. Also

sitz baths after childbirth. I think the point about bacteria on leaves is

important to remember. We would take fresh of dried leaf and simmer or

infuse in boiling water, then that could be used (greenish, warm 'tea') for

sitz bath or for cloths wet with it and applied to areas being treated. For

the salve- I never made this, but I think it went- take the leaf, blend with

olive oil, let set for a while, filter out the oil, mix with beeswax, and

that's your salve. No one down there got infected- but we weren't dealing

with surgical wounds (except rarely with episiotomies). Some surgical wounds

are infected during surgery. Most of them have potential altered skin

integrity that goes WAY deeper than your normal scrape or cut. The olive oil

infusion does NOT control for bacteria, and the boiling water infusion may

or may not. Some people also use root- I've never been happy with roots,

myself- never learned to use them or like the taste, except sassafrass, and

NOW they tell me it's carcinogenic (sigh!).

   Allantoin is the active ingredient in comfrey, so they say. You might ask

your surgeon if (s)he recommends any product made with this. According to

the Merck Index, allantoin seems to be heat-stable- in purified form it is

crystals with melting point 238*C- well over twice the BP of water. So I

would think it would be theoretically possible to make an infusion and then

boil it to kill bacteria. Can't say I've ever tried it.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:ete7cs0c20ers2pghhf495rd35j5mkkqh2@4ax.com...

> "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au> wrote:

>

> >I have just had some surgery, the stitches have just come out of some

rather

> >large incisions.

> >

> >I also have a pretty big comfrey plant out the back and I wondered how

best

> >to apply to the wounds.

>

>   Fresh leaves are best NOT applied to any wounds!  The natural

> plant bacteria contain some of the nastiest pathogens you can

> encounter (mostly Pseudomas species) and make the flesh-eating

> bacteria look like a house pet.

>

> I assume you are worried about the big scars. Here's what plastic

> surgeons I worked with advised:

>    Wait until the little wounds where the stitches were removed

> have healed over.

>    Then rubbing the scar daily with any lotion will usually keep

> the scar tissue flexible.  Cocoa butter, lanilin, bear grease ...

> it really doesn't matter.

>   AVOID sunlight ... that area will be suceptible to

> over-pigmentation and darkening for a couple of years.  Use

> high-value sunscreens and sunblockers.

>

>   Over time, scars naturally shrink and fade as the body

> continues the repair job, and some can vanish entirely.  If you

> don't harass it now with all kinds of folk remedies the process

> will be quicker

>

>

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like

> politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or

> your kid and run for your life.









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Subject: Re: Wounds/Comfrey usage

From: jamie@bozo2.local.net (jamie)

Date: 6 Mar 2000 20:37:40 GMT

--------

sos <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au> wrote:

>I have just had some surgery, the stitches have just come out of some rather

>large incisions.

>

>I also have a pretty big comfrey plant out the back and I wondered how best

>to apply to the wounds.



From what I've read, comfrey is recommended for shallow wounds like

abrasions, burns, and small cuts, but not deep wounds like punctures

and incisions.  Healing should occur from the bottom up to the surface.

I've read that applying comfrey ointments or poultices can cause the

surface to heal before the deeper parts of the wound, which can lead to

the formation of abcesses.



Everything I've read on comfrey says that the root or leaf should be dried,

and not used fresh, btw.



-- 

  jamie  (mjwm@austin.rr.com)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Making extract

From: "R.O." <jolin@whidbey.net>

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 05:16:24 -0800

--------

I have followed instructions from some of you folks and made up some

stinging nettle extract by chopping up the cleaned roots and putting them in

a mason jar filled with vodka.  Now - no one mentioned this but do I use the

extract as is - which is like taking a shot of vodka or do I all water and

boil off the alcohol?



RO









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Subject: Re: Making extract

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:34:28 +0200

--------

"R.O." <jolin@whidbey.net> wrote:

>I have followed instructions from some of you folks and made up some

>stinging nettle extract by chopping up the cleaned roots and putting them in

>a mason jar filled with vodka.  Now - no one mentioned this but do I use the

>extract as is - which is like taking a shot of vodka or do I all water and

>boil off the alcohol?



Congrats, you now have a nettle root extract. You take 30-60 drops of that 3

times a day for prostatic problems. It'll take a while for the effects to be

noticeable - give it a week or three.



You can count your drops off into a glass of water or juice if you feel so

inclined, but personally I haven't bothered with that for, like, -years-.

Dropper bottles are very handy to count off drops straight into the mouth.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Making extract

From: "R.O." <jolin@whidbey.net>

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:31:08 -0800

--------



Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:uqc7csgr5s16upi0u7vb3lrjnuqv6gha9c@4ax.com...

> "R.O." <jolin@whidbey.net> wrote:

> Congrats, you now have a nettle root extract. You take 30-60 drops of that

3

> times a day for prostatic problems. It'll take a while for the effects to

be

> noticeable - give it a week or three.

>

> You can count your drops off into a glass of water or juice if you feel so

> inclined, but personally I haven't bothered with that for, like, -years-.

> Dropper bottles are very handy to count off drops straight into the mouth.

>

> Cheers

> Henriette

>

Henriette:



Thanks for the reply.  Are you then saying that you would use it as is and

not bother boiling off the alchohol?



RO









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Making extract

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:12:55 +0200

--------

"R.O." <jolin@whidbey.net> wrote:

>Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

>> You can count your drops off into a glass of water or juice if you feel so

>> inclined, but personally I haven't bothered with that for, like, -years-.

>> Dropper bottles are very handy to count off drops straight into the mouth.

>

>Thanks for the reply.  Are you then saying that you would use it as is and

>not bother boiling off the alchohol?



Sure. I'm not an alcoholic, mind you. Nor a kid. My liver can take alcohol fine,

as can my mind.



Henriette



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Subject: to Henriette

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:03:29 GMT

--------





>Heh. So we have yet another scaremongerer in AFH? I find AFH -far-

better than,

>say, de.alt.naturheilkunde... I do hope you're cleaning up your own

doorstep,

>too.



>Henriette





Hi Henriette



I have nothing to do with .de I am .ch. :-)



I think the idea of this newsgroup is very good and I am in no way

trying to offend anybody or start a flame war.

Let me tell you what I do not like about this newsgroup and what I

think is dangerous. This newsgroup is called alt.folklore.herbs. What

do I associate with this name, what would I think is being discussed

here: natural, safe herbs with few side-effects such as Menthae folium,

Passiflorae folium, Valerianae rhizoma etc. against banal diseases such

as common cold, flu (if this can still be called banal), dermatological

problems etc.



This is true for most of the posts and this is perfectly all right. But

there are recently a lot of people who ask for herbs against serious

diseases and states they are in or aks questions in connection with

these such as hypertension, pregnacy, diabetes, inflammation of the

eyelids.

It is not the fact that they ask I dislike it is the fact that the

ANSWERS that are given are often incomplete, sometimes wrong or

dangerous. And I have the impression that SOME of the people who answer

are simply NOT QUALIFIED in any way to give answers to these difficult

questions.



If you start recommending things to someone else you have

responsibility. Whatyou do to yourself I don`t care. Eat and drink

whatever you like. But when you influence someone else it matters.



You can solve a lot of health problems on your own and you can cure a

lot of diseases with herbs. I am in no way against phytotherapy to make

this very clear.



But there are some diseases that you can`t cure with herbs and there

are some that you cannot deal with on your own.



One other thing. Plants ARE dangerous I don`t think I have to tell you

that.Even some that have been used over a long long time and some that

you wouldn`t think they were.



Phytotherapy has long been folclore. In the 20th century it has become

rational.



Alex Crousoe















Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Before you buy.





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Subject: Some folklore

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:32:36 +0200

--------

...okay, it's Gaelic, but it's cool:



http://www.rbge.org.uk/research/celtica/dbase/genera/GENERA.HTM



Lots of interesting tidbits, with sources given. Yay!



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Some folklore

From: "Wolf Kestris Rowanwood" <wolffe@onslowonline.net>

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:48:19 -0500

--------

And WHAT is wrong with Gaelic?

-Wolf

Henriette Kress wrote in message ...

>...okay, it's Gaelic, but it's cool:

>

>http://www.rbge.org.uk/research/celtica/dbase/genera/GENERA.HTM

>

>Lots of interesting tidbits, with sources given. Yay!

>

>Henriette

>

>--

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Subject: Re: Some folklore

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:05:34 +0200

--------

"Wolf Kestris Rowanwood" <wolffe@onslowonline.net> wrote:

>>http://www.rbge.org.uk/research/celtica/dbase/genera/GENERA.HTM

>And WHAT is wrong with Gaelic?



Nothing at all, but it means the plants mentioned might not be found in, say,

Finland, or, say, upstate New York.



Cheers

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Some folklore

From: "Wolf Kestris Rowanwood" <wolffe@onslowonline.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:23:27 -0500

--------

LOL Unless of course someone is willing to swap seeds or something.*G*

-Wolf

Henriette Kress wrote in message

<0j7hcs08gkjjbu3ucjj20lc5ten2l8mrdh@4ax.com>...

>"Wolf Kestris Rowanwood" <wolffe@onslowonline.net> wrote:

>>>http://www.rbge.org.uk/research/celtica/dbase/genera/GENERA.HTM

>>And WHAT is wrong with Gaelic?

>

>Nothing at all, but it means the plants mentioned might not be found in,

say,

>Finland, or, say, upstate New York.

>

>Cheers

>Henriette

>

>--

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: taurine

From: brenda@globe.NOPSPAM.net.nz (Brenda Wallace)

Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:56:59 GMT

--------

What is taurine? Is it a plant?





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Subject: Re: taurine

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:28:04 GMT

--------

Your own personal net search engine at your service:



http://www.google.com/search?q=taurine



also:



From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) :



  Taurine \Tau"rine\, n. [So named because it was discovered in

     the bile of the ox. See Taurus.] (Physiol. Chem.)

     A body occurring in small quantity in the juices of muscle,

     in the lungs, and elsewhere, but especially in the bile,

     where it is found as a component part of taurocholic acid,

     from which it can be prepared by decomposition of the acid.

     It crystallizes in colorless, regular six-sided prisms, and

     is especially characterized by containing both nitrogen and

     sulphur, being chemically amido-isethionic acid, C2H7NSO3.



"Brenda Wallace" <brenda@globe.NOPSPAM.net.nz> wrote in message

news:38c4d213.23999955@10.0.0.8...

> What is taurine? Is it a plant?









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Subject: Re: taurine

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:55:47 -0500

--------

It's 2-aminoethanesulfonic acid- almost, but not quite, an amino acid, and

it is important for developing mammals, including humans, for the retina and

the cerebellum. It is found in good quantity in human breast milk, but not

as much in cow's milk. (Information stolen from the Merck Index..)



--

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to stay inside the lines when parking.

sos <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au> wrote in message

news:UQ4x4.1495$xS2.2873@news1.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au...

> Your own personal net search engine at your service:

>

> http://www.google.com/search?q=taurine

>

> also:

>

> From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) :

>

>   Taurine \Tau"rine\, n. [So named because it was discovered in

>      the bile of the ox. See Taurus.] (Physiol. Chem.)

>      A body occurring in small quantity in the juices of muscle,

>      in the lungs, and elsewhere, but especially in the bile,

>      where it is found as a component part of taurocholic acid,

>      from which it can be prepared by decomposition of the acid.

>      It crystallizes in colorless, regular six-sided prisms, and

>      is especially characterized by containing both nitrogen and

>      sulphur, being chemically amido-isethionic acid, C2H7NSO3.

>

> "Brenda Wallace" <brenda@globe.NOPSPAM.net.nz> wrote in message

> news:38c4d213.23999955@10.0.0.8...

> > What is taurine? Is it a plant?

>

>









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Subject: Re: Malva verticellata?

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:10:09 +0000

--------

Henriette Kress wrote:

> 

> qsmd@datasync.com (John A. Erickson) wrote:

> >Can anyone tell me something about Malva verticellata

> >(Chinese mellow [mallow?])?

> 

> All mallows can be used the same way, ie. they are mucilaginous soothants. Of

> course, some of them have itchy hairs so for those you need to use a coffee

> filter to strain your tea, but otherwise they are harmless, and fairly useful

> for a wide range of complaints.

> 

> Henriette

> 



The only mallow teabags I could find on a recent shopping trip were

helpfully labelled "malva" only, no 'second bit' of name (as we

taxonomists call it).



It makes an infusion which is deep deep blackcurrant/cranberry red and

tastes like, er, cranberry.  Bitter/sweet, astringent.  Slightly peppery

but you'll be amused by its pretensions.  



Reputable German tea company, the box says it only contains malva - is

there a malva which fits this m/o? or are they slipping me a mickey finn

blend here?



Nick





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Malva verticellata?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 15:27:25 +0200

--------

Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:

>The only mallow teabags I could find on a recent shopping trip were

>helpfully labelled "malva" only, no 'second bit' of name (as we

>taxonomists call it).

>

>It makes an infusion which is deep deep blackcurrant/cranberry red and

>tastes like, er, cranberry.  Bitter/sweet, astringent.  Slightly peppery

>but you'll be amused by its pretensions.  

>

>Reputable German tea company, the box says it only contains malva - is

>there a malva which fits this m/o? or are they slipping me a mickey finn

>blend here?



That's Hibiscus sabdariffa, commonly known as mallow flowers. I'm told it's not

the flowers, it's the calyx... anyway, technically it's a mallow, it's in the

Malvaceae. But if you can find marshmallow (Althaea / Alcea officinalis) that'd

be better. Root, leaf or flower, whichever you can lay your hands on.

But really, any Malva / Althaea / Alcea / Sidalcea / Lavatera ... works.



Cheers

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: cats claw

From: pam root <pamroot@orofino-id.com>

Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:39:24 -0800

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does anyone know of a natural herb for burned chemical for the hands







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Subject: Re: cats claw

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 9 Mar 2000 11:29:54 GMT

--------

>does anyone know of a natural herb for burned chemical for the hands



I guess through your broken English that you got a chemical burn on the hands.

First thing that comes to mind is aloe.



(Remove "nospam" from email address)







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Subject: Re: cats claw

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:44:56 -0500

--------

Hopefully if there was a chemical burn, you; a) rinsed it according to the

MSDS instructions for the chemical, b) sought immediate medical attention,

c) followed the instructions given by your doctor, and now d) are dealing

with a healing burn from which all chemical contaminants have long since

been removed. IF that is the case, then aloe may be beneficial, if there are

not large open areas that might be infected by a nonsterile solution. But if

you are applying aloe over an area still contaminated by a chemical, or if

you haven't sought the proper attention, or if you have an open area

requiring specialized dressings or aftercare to prevent infection or

scarring- then you could be doing yourself harm in this case.



--

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to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



Thomas Mueller <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net> wrote in message

news:952601394.908760@news.bluegrass.net...

> >does anyone know of a natural herb for burned chemical for the hands

>

> I guess through your broken English that you got a chemical burn on the

hands.

> First thing that comes to mind is aloe.

>

> (Remove "nospam" from email address)

>









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To: HerbAssist <herbassist@aol.com>

Subject: Re:  Was Pregnancy/ Phytoestrogens

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 11:55:53 -0500

--------

I've been finding this to be a very interesting discussion.



This comment is not for HerbAssist so much as the other

person who's been posting...If you get a chance, stop by

a Barnes & Noble or other bookstore and look through

Donald Yance's book on Cancer that came out recently....

(It's got a light green cover) in the herb section. Based on

my experience with Donnie lecturing on dealing with

cancer, plus having a ring-bound copy of his protocols

on dealing with cancer (from way before the book being

published), you'll uncover a lot of good info on phytoestrogens

and why they're beneficial, as opposed to being detrimental.



BTW, HerbAssist...besides the ovaries, are we talking

pituitary and adrenal glands? Or pituitary and pineal? And

how much can they fill in when a woman's had a hystorectomy

since there's a tremendous interaction between the different

body organs and endocrine system?



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Trauma Query

From: thebigwhoppy <Iam@one.with>

Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:14:49 GMT

--------

Over the past three years, I suffered more Trauma (both physical and

psychological) than in the first 4 decades of my Life.



Are there any herbal preparations available or that I could prepare my

self that could assist in the recovery from these 3 rather intense

incidents? 



thank you

Kelly 

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going." - Lauren Bacall

 If at first you don't succeed, then sky diving is not for you...





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Subject: Re: Trauma Query

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 9 Mar 2000 11:29:53 GMT

--------

>

Over the past three years, I suffered more Trauma (both physical and

psychological) than in the first 4 decades of my Life.



Are there any herbal preparations available or that I could prepare my

self that could assist in the recovery from these 3 rather intense

incidents?

>



I don't know if it is possible to suggest a herbal preparation when you are so

vague about your traumatic incidents.  You need to be more specific.



(Remove "nospam" from email address)







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Subject: Re: Trauma Query

From: thebigwhoppy <eris@mailcity.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:48:01 GMT

--------

Thanks for the reply. Here is the background:

in July of 1997, I was knocked down and dragged by a car while skating

home from my then day job (I am in the theater) this resulted in torn

ligaments and retiring me from certain athletic activities including

stage combat (fencing, and other forms of stage fighting) and wire

walking.  the following august (1998), I was subjected to a home

invasion by NY semi-finest and by a push assault and robbery that may

be related to the august incident in May of 19997. an investigation is

ongoing. 



What I am looking for is information regarding herbal preparations

that will assist in helping me fall asleep quicker - I now lay awake

for several hours before finally nodding off, that will not disrupt my

dream sleep and will assist in the process of recovery?



 

this reply dated 9 Mar 2000 11:29:53 GMT, from "Thomas Mueller"

<tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net> may be monitored for customer services

purposes:

##>

##I don't know if it is possible to suggest a herbal preparation when

you are so

##vague about your traumatic incidents.  You need to be more specific.

##

##(Remove "nospam" from email address)



Kelly 

http://members.tripod.com/shocktroupe

AFTRA/Actor/Warrior Stage manager/Fool

"The Theater is the last live place on Earth. We've got to keep it

going." - Lauren Bacall

 If at first you don't succeed, then sky diving is not for you...







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Subject: Re: Trauma Query

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:36:12 +0200

--------

thebigwhoppy <eris@mailcity.com> wrote:



>Thanks for the reply. Here is the background:

>in July of 1997, I was knocked down and dragged by a car while skating

>home from my then day job (I am in the theater) this resulted in torn

>ligaments and retiring me from certain athletic activities including

>stage combat (fencing, and other forms of stage fighting) and wire

>walking.  the following august (1998), I was subjected to a home

>invasion by NY semi-finest and by a push assault and robbery that may

>be related to the august incident in May of 19997. an investigation is

>ongoing. 

>

>What I am looking for is information regarding herbal preparations

>that will assist in helping me fall asleep quicker - I now lay awake

>for several hours before finally nodding off, that will not disrupt my

>dream sleep and will assist in the process of recovery?



You might want to locate a flower essence / flower remedy therapist close to

you.



Cheers

Henriette



--

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed





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Subject: Re: Trauma Query

From: thebigwhoppy <eris@mailcity.com>

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:03:06 GMT

--------

Henriette,



I have been a big fan of your website, and I thank you for your

suggestion.



And to everyone else who came to my aid, with suggestions, again I

thank you.



this reply dated Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:36:12 +0200, from Henriette Kress

<hetta@saunalahti.fi> may be monitored for customer services purposes:

##thebigwhoppy <eris@mailcity.com> wrote:

##

##You might want to locate a flower essence / flower remedy therapist

close to

##you.

##

##Cheers

##Henriette





Kelly 

http://members.tripod.com/shocktroupe

AFTRA/Actor/Warrior Stage manager/Fool

"The Theater is the last live place on Earth. We've got to keep it

going." - Lauren Bacall

 If at first you don't succeed, then sky diving is not for you...







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Subject: Re: Trauma Query

From: "Eddie @home" <jeb@cae.ca>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:08:40 -0500

--------

Wolf Kestris Rowanwood <wolffe@onslowonline.net> wrote in message

news:scooeng3a5n116@corp.supernews.com...

> TRy Chamomile tea, its a good relaxer, and is in alot of herbal

teas, such

> as Celstrial seasonings 'Sleepy Time' tea.



I tried this for the first time last week and found it had a very

calming effect over a one-and-a-half to two day period for one dosage

(1 cup of tea).  Just as a matter of interest, had some VERY vivid

dreams that night, and less so the following night.  Does chamomile

have this effect on other people ?  Or am I just in SERIOUS need of

relaxing ?  :-)  Have a good day everyone !



Eddie

...My secret to life ?  Laugh, Dance, and Sing as if no one were

watching...











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Subject: Herbal Detox

From: Isthmus <isthmus@mpinet.net>

Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 17:32:14 -0500

--------

Hi there folks!  I've got a q' for... you!



A friend of mine wants to do a detox--a general, all over body

cleanser.  She doesn't neccesarily want to go buy a 'kit' or anything

like that--she just wants to /wipe out/ the bad diet, and put in a good

one.  I  told her to start off slowly, so she doesn't shock her system

/too/ badly, and drink good, clean water like there's no tomorrow.



However, my books on herbs and such are packed away, and as of yet--I've

not memorized everything.  So.  I'm posting the inquiry here, for all

you loverly people to reply too; please?  What is a good method for

total-body-cleansing?  I mean, deep down, into the liver and

/everything/.  What would be a good combo?  Do you have a favorite

system?  Are there any hints, any techniques, any secrets you've

stumbled on that worked /so well/ for you?



I'd /really/ love to know.  Thanks!



--

           ~*~ Isthmus ~*~

++ If they were right, I'd agree, but it's /them/ they know, not /me/..

++

   -- Cat Stevens, Father & Son









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Subject: Re: Herbal Detox

From: "Shiraz" <graphics@icon.co.za>

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:40:10 -0000

--------

Hello!  When I went on a detox I drank TONS of water with fresh lemon juice

in it, lemon juice purifies the blood and I found it very good for

de-toxing, I drank it in water and I drank lemon tea with lemon squeezed in,

with concentrated lemon juice if I didn't have fresh, and with little slices

of lemon floating in it, any way I could think of to get lemon and water

down my throat.  If your friend is trying to quit alcohol it may be a good

idea to get all sorts of herbal teas as well as making her own (to give her

something interesting to drink instead of booze)   The standard infusion is

1-2 teaspoons dried herb OR 2-4 teaspoons fresh herb to 1 cup boiling water,

steep for 10 minutes covered, strain and drink 1 cup 3 times a day.  Here

are the teas I've tried:



1.  Fennel/Dill tea

Is an appetite suppressant and is good for the liver and de-toxing, is a

diuretic flushing out all the toxins and keeps nausea at bay.  It's also

good for mental exhaustion.  Method:  1 cup fresh leaves in 1 cup boiling

water.  Leave for 5 minutes (covered) and strain.  Drink 1 to 2 cups a day

for 7 days then none for 3 days (to give your system a rest).



2.  Rosemary tea

Is good for depression, headaches & nervousness.

Method:  1 teaspoon crushed dried leaves in 1 cup boiling water, let steep

(covered) for 10 minutes, strain and drink.



3.  Peppermint

Good for nausea & vomiting, is calming, works for depression, insomnia,

nightmares & tension

Method:  standard infusion



4.  Catmint/Catnip

Used for insanity, nervousness, headaches, hysteria, nightmares and insomnia

Method:  1 tablespoon slightly bruised dried leaves per cup boiling water.

Steep 10 to 15 minutes, strain and drink



Here are some other herbs that can be used in various ways:



Ginger

This is a stimulant and is valuable in alcoholic gastritis (good for liver)

Method:  50 grams lightly cooked ginger a day or 1 gram powdered ginger a

day



Lavender

Good for anxiety, put a cold press on the forehead or put it in your bath,

it's an appetite stimulant as well



Apple cider vinegar

It's a detoxifyer, is good for the skin, and aids in weight control



Celery

Good for depression



Cayenne

Good for nausea, depression and alcoholism



Cinnamon

For nausea & vomiting



Cloves

For vomiting



I'm no medical expert or even herb expert so use these methods with caution,

they worked for me though, and please let me know if they work for your

friend too.



Kind regards

Karen









Isthmus <isthmus@mpinet.net> wrote in message

news:38C5836E.D048DD92@mpinet.net...

> Hi there folks!  I've got a q' for... you!

>

> A friend of mine wants to do a detox--a general, all over body

> cleanser.  She doesn't neccesarily want to go buy a 'kit' or anything

> like that--she just wants to /wipe out/ the bad diet, and put in a good

> one.  I  told her to start off slowly, so she doesn't shock her system

> /too/ badly, and drink good, clean water like there's no tomorrow.

>

> However, my books on herbs and such are packed away, and as of yet--I've

> not memorized everything.  So.  I'm posting the inquiry here, for all

> you loverly people to reply too; please?  What is a good method for

> total-body-cleansing?  I mean, deep down, into the liver and

> /everything/.  What would be a good combo?  Do you have a favorite

> system?  Are there any hints, any techniques, any secrets you've

> stumbled on that worked /so well/ for you?

>

> I'd /really/ love to know.  Thanks!

>

> --

>            ~*~ Isthmus ~*~

> ++ If they were right, I'd agree, but it's /them/ they know, not /me/..

> ++

>    -- Cat Stevens, Father & Son

>

>









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Subject: Re: Herbal Detox

From: "Kay Henson" <no-one@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:41:31 -0600

--------

If your friend uses a water fast, they could have blood sugar level

problems. A fast over 24 hours needs to be supervised. Your friend also

should learn proper nutrition during the fasting time, and know which foods

to bring back in. For intestinal cleansing, I use Cascara Sagrada Bark,

Cloves, Fennel Seed, Ginger Root, Oregon Grape Root (Barberry), Yellow Dock

Root, Marshmallow Root, Butternut Bark, and Licorice Root, which aids in

healing, is high in minerals and iron, improves function of the stomach and

liver and relieves gas and pain from the bowels. For detoxing, I use Red

Clover Blossom, Dandelion Root, Echinacea, Oregon Grape Seed (Barberry) ,

Quassia, Sarsparilla, Ginger Root, Burdock Root and Seed, Yellow Dock Root,

Goldenseal Root which purifies the blood stream, helps cleanse the lymphatic

system, and removes food additives, environmental chemicals, mucus and

congestion.

I use a lemonade mixture with distilled water, lemons, and pure maple syrup.

Maple syrup and blackstrap molasses are the only natural sugars that don't

cause an insulin reaction. I don't care for the taste of blackstrap

molasses. I usually fast for 3 days and have no problem with that. My next

fast is going to be longer. And I know people who have fasted longer.



-- Kay



http://www.herbcare.com



"Isthmus" <isthmus@mpinet.net> wrote in message

news:38C5836E.D048DD92@mpinet.net...

> Hi there folks!  I've got a q' for... you!

>

> A friend of mine wants to do a detox--a general, all over body

> cleanser.  She doesn't neccesarily want to go buy a 'kit' or anything

> like that--she just wants to /wipe out/ the bad diet, and put in a good

> one.  I  told her to start off slowly, so she doesn't shock her system

> /too/ badly, and drink good, clean water like there's no tomorrow.

>

> However, my books on herbs and such are packed away, and as of yet--I've

> not memorized everything.  So.  I'm posting the inquiry here, for all

> you loverly people to reply too; please?  What is a good method for

> total-body-cleansing?  I mean, deep down, into the liver and

> /everything/.  What would be a good combo?  Do you have a favorite

> system?  Are there any hints, any techniques, any secrets you've

> stumbled on that worked /so well/ for you?

>

> I'd /really/ love to know.  Thanks!

>

> --

>            ~*~ Isthmus ~*~

> ++ If they were right, I'd agree, but it's /them/ they know, not /me/..

> ++

>    -- Cat Stevens, Father & Son

>

>









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Subject: Re: Herbal Detox

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:07:13 -0700

--------

Isthmus <isthmus@mpinet.net> wrote:



>A friend of mine wants to do a detox--a general, all over body

>cleanser.  She doesn't neccesarily want to go buy a 'kit' or anything

>like that--she just wants to /wipe out/ the bad diet, and put in a good

>one. 



    SUPRISE!!!! The body is self-cleaning.  All she has to do is

start eating right, drinking plenty of water (2 quarts a day,

andsoft drinks do not count), getting plenty of sleep and

exercising moderately but frequently and her body will respond.



   No special regimen, herbs or mumbo-jumbo needed ... Mother

Nature has a good design. 





Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Prednisone and herbs

From: C. Jordan <jordanc@home.com>

Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 00:42:58 GMT

--------

Hi,



I have been taking St. John's Wort, Kava, Black Cohosh and Chaste Tree 

Berry for the last few months and they are really helping with the 

hormonal changes I'm experiencing.



Today I had a really lousy asthma attack due to a chemical exposure.  

The doctor put me on a short course of prednisone just to be safe.  My 

question is this -- does anyone know if the prednisone react badly 

with any of the above listed herbs?  



Thanks in advance,

Catherine





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs from Spain

From: laganzaf@aol.com (LaganzaF)

Date: 08 Mar 2000 03:01:07 GMT

--------

I would like to know more about plants from spain . I do not have acces to the

web only email. Could you copy and send it to me?

Thanks

Marlin Harrison

LaganzaF@aol.com





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Subject: How safe is Sorbitol?

From: lweber@wcl.on.ca

Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:23:15 GMT

--------

I am allergic to Aspertane and it is almost impossible to buy gum

without it being the sweetener in Sugar Free gum.

I bought some Dental Care Gum today and it contains Sorbitol and I

can't find out any info on it.



Lori





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Subject: Re: How safe is Sorbitol?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 07:54:02 +0200

--------

lweber@wcl.on.ca wrote:

>I bought some Dental Care Gum today and it contains Sorbitol and I

>can't find out any info on it.



It's a sugar found in birch wood, extracted industrially (there's no other way

to do that). Good for your teeth. I like it.



Henriette



--

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed





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Subject: Re: How safe is Sorbitol?

From: Tiina <purtonen@mediaone.net>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 01:29:45 GMT

--------

Sweetener from birch wood is called xylitol not sorbitol.



Henriette Kress wrote:



> lweber@wcl.on.ca wrote:

> >I bought some Dental Care Gum today and it contains Sorbitol and I

> >can't find out any info on it.

>

> It's a sugar found in birch wood, extracted industrially (there's no other way

> to do that). Good for your teeth. I like it.

>

> Henriette

>

> --

> hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed







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Subject: Re: How safe is Sorbitol?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 05:44:28 +0200

--------

Tiina <purtonen@mediaone.net> wrote:



>Sweetener from birch wood is called xylitol not sorbitol.



Oops, you're right.



Henriette



--

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: How safe is Sorbitol?

From: lweber@wcl.on.ca

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 04:48:20 GMT

--------







>Sorbitol is a sugar alcohol. The only side effect I have ever heard of is

>diarrhea in large doses.



This might be a dumb question but if it is a sugar alcohol, then what

about people in recovery that can't have alcohol?



Lori





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Subject: Re: How safe is Sorbitol?

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 06:14:53 -0800

--------

Sorbital does loosen the bowels. Some doctor's use it to treat constipaton.









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Subject: Nutmeg

From: "Bonnie Datta" <brdatta@vci.net>

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:20:07 -0600

--------

Hi all -- I'm a newcomer to this list and find it very informative.



I've been addicted (?) to nutmeg for about 10 years, off and on.  I was

worried that it might be harmful (I'd eat about a pod a day) but was

recently re-assured by a chemist who told me that experiments have shown

nutmeg to be an anti-cancer thing.  Do any of you have more information on

this?  The chemist was Joe Schwartcz from McGill University who recently

wrote the book _Radar, Hula Hoops and Playful Pigs_.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Nutmeg

From: Bentley <bentl3y@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:11:43 GMT

--------

In article <bslx4.48348$Pa1.1177281@news6.giganews.com>,

  "Bonnie Datta" <brdatta@vci.net> wrote:

> Hi all -- I'm a newcomer to this list and find it very informative.

>

> I've been addicted (?) to nutmeg for about 10 years, off and on.  I

was

> worried that it might be harmful (I'd eat about a pod a day) but was

> recently re-assured by a chemist who told me that experiments have

shown

> nutmeg to be an anti-cancer thing.  Do any of you have more

information on

> this?



Hi. This is an herbalist in Lexington, Ky. Nutmeg contains several

compounds with demonstrated anti-cancer properties. Anog them are

Eugenol, methyl-eugenol, io-eugenol, geraniol, Kaempferol, Limonene,

Myristic acid, oleanolic acid, oleic acid, pectin, quercitin,

riboflavin, and fiber. [Crc handbook of phytochemical constituents of

medicinal plants].



Traditionally nutmeg is used as a purifier of the system, useful for

helping the body withstand and overcome all sorts of diseases, including

cancer.



Bentley

http://www.rustic





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Subject: Re: Nutmeg

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:05:57 +0200

--------

Bentley <bentl3y@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  "Bonnie Datta" <brdatta@vci.net> wrote:

>> Hi all -- I'm a newcomer to this list and find it very informative.

>> I've been addicted (?) to nutmeg for about 10 years, off and on.  I was

>> worried that it might be harmful (I'd eat about a pod a day) but was

>> recently re-assured by a chemist who told me that experiments have shown

>> nutmeg to be an anti-cancer thing.  Do any of you have more information on

>> this?

>

>Hi. This is an herbalist in Lexington, Ky. Nutmeg contains several

>compounds with demonstrated anti-cancer properties. Anog them are

>Eugenol, methyl-eugenol, io-eugenol, geraniol, Kaempferol, Limonene,

>Myristic acid, oleanolic acid, oleic acid, pectin, quercitin,

>riboflavin, and fiber. [Crc handbook of phytochemical constituents of

>medicinal plants].



...yes, but ONE WHOLE POD A DAY? That's -way- too much.



Henriette



--

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed





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Subject: Re: Nutmeg

From: Bentley <bentl3y@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 19:07:15 GMT

--------

In article <38c7b8b3@news.mix-net.net>,

  "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net> wrote:

> What is a 'pod' of nutmeg?

>

> --

Like many marine mammals, nutmegs travel in large family groups called

pods. A pod can consist of anywhere from four or five to fifteen

individuals, typically a few pairs of adults and their offspring.

Nutmegs mace, i mean mate, for life,and typically bear one or two young

every fall.



Ben





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Subject: Re: Nutmeg

From: garlicgr@pond.com (The Tetrad)

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:22:24 GMT

--------

 "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net> wrote:

>What is a 'pod' of nutmeg?



I agree -- what the heck is this and where does one get it?  I thought that 

nutmeg grew in the tropics and the only thing I've ever seen in the store is 

"whole nutmegs" which are seed kernals, I belive.  



Surely you're not munching on *that*?  I would think that it would break your 

teeth! :-0







Dinara, the garlic grower      

Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!          <*>



"The decision to feed the world is the real decision.  No revolution has chosen it.  For that choice requires that women shall be free."



--Adrienne Rich, poet



quoted by Vandana Shiva, Keynote Speaker

The Next Agricultural Revolution:  Reclaiming the PASAbilities

Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable Agriculture (PASA) Winter Conference 2000





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Nutmeg

From: "Bonnie Datta" <brdatta@vci.net>

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:37:12 -0600

--------



The Tetrad <garlicgr@pond.com> wrote in message

news:AuVx4.11546$JQ.690169@monger.newsread.com...

> "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net> wrote:

>

> I agree -- what the heck is this and where does one get it?  I thought

that

> nutmeg grew in the tropics and the only thing I've ever seen in the store

is

> "whole nutmegs" which are seed kernals, I belive.



I get them by the pound from Penn Herb.  About $18.00 I think.



Joe Schwartz (who I referred to in my original post) told me that the active

anti-cancer agents are lost in ground nutmeg.













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Subject: Re: Nutmeg

From: Bentley <bentl3y@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:04:50 GMT

--------

In article <L7_x4.83284$Cn1.1917953@news5.giganews.com>,

  "Bonnie Datta" <brdatta@vci.net> wrote:



> Joe Schwartz (who I referred to in my original post) told me that the

active

> anti-cancer agents are lost in ground nutmeg.

>

They don't disappear instantly or anything like that. Most of them are

volatile compounds, meaning that they evaporate into the air. This

happens in pproportion to the surface area of the nutmeg that's exposed

to the air. Since powdered nutmeg has a much larger surface area than

and equal amount of whole nutmeg, it loses its "stuff" (and its flavor)

much faster. If you buy it powdered and it's been on the shelf in the

warehouse for two years, it will probably be fairly bereft of anything

volatile. But if you powder it right before you use it, you'll get about

the same amount of "stuff" as if you ate the thing whole (maybe

more,depending on how well you chew it).



Bentley

http://www.rusticroots.com





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Subject: Re: Nutmeg

From: "Bonnie Datta" <brdatta@vci.net>

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:29:10 -0600

--------



Bentley <bentl3y@hotmail.com> wrote in message This is an herbalist in

Lexington, Ky.

> Nutmeg contains several

> compounds with demonstrated anti-cancer properties>

> Traditionally nutmeg is used as a purifier of the system, useful for

> helping the body withstand and overcome all sorts of diseases, including

> cancer.



Gad zooks! -- shouldn't we all get on this stuff right away?













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Nutmeg

From: P & J <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 05:45:07 GMT

--------

I read somewhere that nutmeg taken in large amounts can be very toxic. 

If I remember correctly that the book stated that even one can kill a

small child and two a day can kill and adult.  



Since reading that I have always used nutmeg with respect.  I have not

had the time to unpack all of my books to look up where  I read this.



J







Bonnie Datta wrote:

> 

> Bentley <bentl3y@hotmail.com> wrote in message This is an herbalist in

> Lexington, Ky.

> > Nutmeg contains several

> > compounds with demonstrated anti-cancer properties>

> > Traditionally nutmeg is used as a purifier of the system, useful for

> > helping the body withstand and overcome all sorts of diseases, including

> > cancer.

> 

> Gad zooks! -- shouldn't we all get on this stuff right away?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Nutmeg

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:12:28 GMT

--------

"5-20 grams of the ground nutmeg may be ingested for mild intoxication

lasting about twelve hours and followed by deep sleep. The achieve the

equivalent experience of 1-marijuana cigarette, one would have to

imbibe 10 grams of nutmeg. May cause dizziness, flushes, dry mouth,

accelerated heartbeat, temporary constipation and difficulty in

urination, nausea, and panic. Beneficial as a spice but not recommended

in large amounts as a hallucinogen. Safrole may be carcinogenic, and is

definitely a hepatotoxin in larger amounts. Due to the severe side-

effects, nutmeg is not a popular street drug. It is used most by

underage students who are looking for a legal means of altering their

consciousness as well as by prisoners who can acquire it more easily

than illegal substances."

(by Scott Dorsey - from an nutmeg faq)



The hard thing is obviously to swallow. Someone I know tried this once

with 10 grams nutmeg powder and feeled a bit dizzy and absent for some

hours and experienced an unpleasant accelerated heartbeat. He also

wrote some letters saying goodbye to his friends while on this trip for

he got a bit nervous when his heart was beating so fast.



It was used against cramps and there were other indications.

Another source mentions that it is a MAOI and also a COX-Inhibitor.

This would certainly explain some of the effects. Under these

circumstances it should be avoided.

As a spice however it can be used without any problems.



Crousoe





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Subject: Re: Nutmeg

From: "Bonnie Datta" <brdatta@vci.net>

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:32:49 -0600

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LWakefield <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net> wrote in message

news:38c7b8b3@news.mix-net.net...

> What is a 'pod' of nutmeg?

>

A pod is about the size of a hazelnut and the same kind of medium brown

colour.  It has irregular ridges on the outside.  A nutmeg pod is not hard

though -- just a little harder than, say, a Brazil nut.  Well, some are

harder than others.  And they each have a slightly unique flavour -- some

kind of lemony, others a little musty, some very hot, others a minty taste.













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Subject: Re: Nutmeg

From: "Bonnie Datta" <brdatta@vci.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:57:58 -0600

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HerbAssist <herbassist@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20000310222408.03271.00001565@ng-fl1.aol.com...

>

>

> Chronic use of nutmeg can cause fatty degeneration of the heart, liver,

and

> kidneys. It is not recommended for daily use.

>

>



Please tell me this means it'll unclog my arteries as a beneficial

side-effect ;'D









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Subject: Re: Nutmeg

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 12 Mar 2000 11:32:19 GMT

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I used mace, the outer covering of the nutmeg, read that mace has similar

chemistry to nutmeg.  But using 1/8 teaspoon in cooking causes mild sinus

pressure headache in me.  I feel it more after using 1/8 tsp three times in four

days.  So now I don't want anything to do with either mace or nutmeg.



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Subject: Does anyone know anything about Matol

From: "Carol & Ross Hamilton" <carros@wave.co.nz>

Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:39:46 +1300

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Subject: was Re: exhaution

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 8 Mar 2000 11:07:32 GMT

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>But there are some diseases that you can`t cure with herbs and there

>are some that you cannot deal with on your own.



What diseases do you have in mind?  Lyme disease?  Huntington's chorea?



>One other thing. Plants ARE dangerous I don`t think I have to tell you

>that.Even some that have been used over a long long time and some that

>you wouldn`t think they were.



What plants are you talking about?  Some are dangerous, no doubt, such as poison

hemlock and helleborus, but what about carrots, beets, collards, kale, apples,

dandelion, chickweed?



>

It is not the fact that they ask I dislike it is the fact that the

ANSWERS that are given are often incomplete, sometimes wrong or

dangerous. And I have the impression that SOME of the people who answer

are simply NOT QUALIFIED in any way to give answers to these difficult

questions.

>



The advice in this newsgroup, or anywhere else on the Internet, is not to be

blindly followed as infallible truth.  "Your mileage may vary."  One person's

asthma reliever may be another person's asthma provoker.  Different people have

different perspectives.  Purpose of a newsgroup such as this is for people to

exchange their ideas, and they can't be expected to get everything right the

first time.



Part of the role of herbal medicine is dealing with more serious diseases that

can be life-threatening, including cancer.  Herbal medicine and dietary

improvement have useful role in high blood pressure before one suffers heart

attack or stroke.  I don't want lifelong dependency  on medications such as I

see in alt.support.asthma.



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Subject: Re: was Re: exhaution

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:48:31 GMT

--------





>>But there are some diseases that you can`t cure with herbs and there

>>are some that you cannot deal with on your own.



>What diseases do you have in mind? Lyme disease? Huntington's chorea?



Some you can`t cure with herbs:

With herbs I mean herbs - (we might want to include roots, rhizomes,

etc. even extracts if you like)  not some chemical derivative or

concentrated substance isolated from herbs. Many modern drugs have

their origins in plants but that`s not what we are talking about. You

can go "of course you can treat an infection with penicillin" but mind

you that is no herb. Ignoring the fact that it`s from a fungus it is a

purified chemical substance.



acne

asthma (see below)

athlete`s foot (but especially nails)

migraine

lots of problems with the eyes (glaucoma, conjunctivits etc)

high blood pressure

angina pectoris

pain

flu

the majority of the infections caused by parasites, bacteria,

viruses and fungi(some already mentioned above)



etc. etc.



>I don't want lifelong dependency on medications such as I

>see in alt.support.asthma.



Go and try Datura stramonium (Jimsonweed), Atropa belladonna (Deadly

Nightshade) or Ephedra against asthma which are maybe the most potent

herbs against it that you can find

and that were also used for a long time. You will soon find out that

these herbs have a lot more risks and side-effects than modern asthma-

medications.



>The advice in this newsgroup, or anywhere else on the Internet, is not

to be

>blindly followed as infallible truth.



I know that the readers of this newsgoups aren`t fools who would

blindly follow any suggestion. As I said this is mainly about those

people who arelooking for advice.

The way most of these people ask here gives me the impression that they

really have confidence in this newsgroup. They trust you. They think 

hey maybe I can find the solution to my problem here. Maybe some of

them think that a lot of professionals are talking here. Read some of

the questions and you willnotice that there is a lot confidence in them

and that this person would just as well follow logical good-sounding

advice.

After all someone who asks wants an answer.



My point is that some of the answers in this ng are incomplete, wrong

or dangerous.



And this is especially important concerning diseases you cannot cure

with herbs.



Thus someone who would follow the advice could be harmed, could miss a

necessary therapy, might get an infection, might be poisoned etc. There

is also the possibility that someone has the right herb but uses it the

wrong way.

I am NOT saying that I don`t like this ng. But don`t advise people you

can`t advise.

Don`t give answers to questions you cannot answer. And please use

disclaimers.



>>One other thing. Plants ARE dangerous



I will give you some examples tomorrow and explain what I mean

 gotta go now..





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Subject: Re: was Re: exhaution

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:49:03 -0500

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> Some you can`t cure with herbs:

> With herbs I mean herbs - (we might want to include roots, rhizomes,

> etc. even extracts if you like) - not some chemical derivative or

> concentrated substance isolated from herbs. Many modern drugs have

> their origins in plants but that`s not what we are talking about. You

> can go "of course you can treat an infection with penicillin" but mind

> you that is no herb. Ignoring the fact that it`s from a fungus it is a

> purified chemical substance.

>

> acne

> asthma (see below)

> athlete`s foot (but especially nails)

> migraine

I have never seen anyone- including traditional medicine- claim to have a

'cure' for migraine. They look for effective methods of prevention,

treatment, and control.

> lots of problems with the eyes (glaucoma, conjunctivits etc)

> high blood pressure

> angina pectoris

likewise, I have never seen anyone- including traditional medicine- claim to

have a 'cure' for angina. They look for effective methods of prevention,

treatment, and control.

> pain

Pain is not a disease state. There is not a 'cure' for pain. But there may

be prevention, treatment, or control.

> flu

> the majority of the infections caused by parasites, bacteria,

> viruses and fungi(some already mentioned above)

>

> etc. etc.

>

Do I sound like a broken record? I certainly intend to. As I have stated 3

times in my notes above, traditional medicine seeks prevention, treatment

and control. It may or may not be possible to find a 'cure'. Use of herbs

may or may not be able to provide any of these 3. It is more apt to provide

treatment or control tho for example with feverfew for migraine, or St.

John's wort for depression, prevention is being aimed at. I have never heard

anyone make any claims for 'cure' of depression or migraine in any arena,

including traditional medicine.



--

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to stay inside the lines when parking.

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Subject: Re: was Re: exhaution

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 20:47:29 GMT

--------

LWakefield:

>I have never seen anyone- including traditional medicine-

>claim to have a 'cure' for migraine. They look for effective methods

>of prevention,treatment, and control.



Thank you for mentioning this. "Cure" is definitly the wrong word.

new :



You can`t treat or control migraine, angina pectoris or pain with herbs.

You can`t cure most infections with herbs.

You can`t treat or control the majority of dieseases/ills with herbs.



What I intended to say is that there is a limit. You can

prevent/control/treat some diseases/ills/states with herbs - no

argument about that. But very soon you reach a limit and in MANY cases

you will have to use something that is stronger (sometimes

also safer) than herbs and that is traditional medicine.

And I mean reasonable and effecient treatment and control.



As I said before I am not against phytotherapy I even like it a lot 

it is great that you can deal e.g. with moderate depressions on your

own, with practically no side-effects and hardly any risk. But

hypericum is just THE exception.

And thank you for the beautiful example  hypericum has its limits just

as all the other herbs; You can`t treat / control some forms of

depression with it.



asthma (again): Use Datura/Atropa/Ephedra and there will be a lot more

side-effects and risks than with modern asthma-medications which are

safe. I am talking about Beta-Agonists and steroids (inhalations).



Or would you drink green tea when you can`t breathe anymore?





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Subject: Re: was Re: exhaution

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 10 Mar 2000 10:55:36 GMT

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>

acne

asthma (see below)

athlete`s foot (but especially nails)

migraine

lots of problems with the eyes (glaucoma, conjunctivits etc)

high blood pressure

angina pectoris

pain

flu

the majority of the infections caused by parasites, bacteria,

viruses and fungi(some already mentioned above)



etc. etc.

>



How do you say all these conditions are nontreatable with herbs?  Some of these

conditions are easy to self-treat or not treat, such as pain (depending on

cause) and the less-serious infections.  Surely one need not go to the doctor

for every little pain.  Never hear of feverfew for migraine?  Or echinacea for

flu and some other infections?  Some skin fungi can be conquered with good

hygiene.  High blood pressure can often be treated with hawthorn and perhaps

other herbs, plus dietary improvement.  John Heinerman in his Encyclopedia of

Healing Herbs & Spices, mentions treatments for glaucoma and acne, though I am

not planning to get glaucoma just to test these treatments:<)



Saying herbs can not be used to treat these conditions, or some of them, makes

me wonder if you have some other motivation, like being connected with a

pharmaceutical or medical interest.



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Subject: Re: was Re: exhaution

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:00:38 GMT

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>How do you say all these conditions are nontreatable with herbs? Some

of these

>conditions are easy to self-treat or not treat,

>such as pain (depending on

>cause) and the less-serious infections. Surely one need not go to the

doctor

>for every little pain.



Of course you don`t have to go to the doctor. You can also go to the

next drugstore.

If the pain is not bad you don`t have to treat it. You could use herbs

in that case too.



>Or echinacea for

>flu and some other infections?



It has yet to be proven that Echinacea really has an effect on colds

and respiratory infections. Read some abstracts on medline about the

studies that were made.Most of the conclusions are dentical: "Treatment

with fluid extract of Echinacea purpurea did not significantly decrease

the incidence, duration or severity of colds and respiratory infections

compared to placebo."



> Some skin fungi can be conquered with good

>hygiene.



Maybe they can be prevented (but we are talking about treatment) or

some mild forms can be treated. But even if you`d treat those it would

never be as efficient and easy as with modern creams.  And it is

impossible to control infected nails with herbs.



> High blood pressure can often be treated with hawthorn and perhaps

>other herbs



you write "often" I`d write "exceptionally".



> acne



I insist that when you have to treat acne you can`t control it with

herbs.



>Saying herbs can not be used to treat these conditions [...]



I am talking about limits. And I say it again - phytotherapy is okay

and I like it.

You can treat a lot with herbs and standerdized extracts and often

there are not many risks or side-effects but there is a LIMIT. And many

modern medications are just more effecient, safer and more reasonable

when it comes to treating the conditions I mentioned.



>Saying herbs can not be used to treat these conditions, or some of

>them, makes me wonder if you have some other motivation, like being

>connected with a pharmaceutical or medical interest.



Saying herbs should be used to treat these conditions, or some of them,

makes me wonder if you talk to me by parchment-to-email-time-travel

from the 15th century.





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Subject: Re: was Re: exhaution

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:13:18 +0200

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crousoe@my-deja.com wrote:

>"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net> wrote:

>>Or echinacea for flu and some other infections?

>

>It has yet to be proven that Echinacea really has an effect on colds

>and respiratory infections. Read some abstracts on medline about the

>studies that were made.Most of the conclusions are dentical: "Treatment

>with fluid extract of Echinacea purpurea did not significantly decrease

>the incidence, duration or severity of colds and respiratory infections

>compared to placebo."



... and then ask:

- who funded the study? Not by any chance a big pharmaceutical with lots of

money in their own OTC flu meds?

- how do the form and dosage used in the study compare to the form and dosage

used in normal life? Take Ech so it doesn't come into contact with the mucous

membrane in your mouth and you remove a -large- amount of the effect. Do a

tinct, drink a tea, or chew on the fresh or dry herb, and it'll work, if taken

at the right time:

- how do the time of ingestion in the study compare to the time of ingestion as

it is used in normal life? It's common knowledge that Ech is not effective once

you -have- the flu. Any study set up to prove so will. However, that's not where

Ech is used in real life, -because- it is well-known that it should be taken at

the first signs of the flu.



Any study that says that Ech used in frequent small doses is NOT effective

against the flu if taken at the first signs of onset can be discarded as

propaganda against the herb. It's not even necessary to look for the flaws in

such a study, it is a certainty that they are there.



Sadly, there are far too many studies on herbs out there that are done just to

discredit herbs. The "Ech kills hamstersperm" -study comes to mind as one that

should kick the scientists and/or journalists involved straight to a job where

the most common question they ask is "Do you want fries with that, sir?".

Because these scientists and/or journalists were either gravely dishonest in

their methods or they were completely and utterly incompetent.



Cheers

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Subject: Re: was Re: exhaution

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:41:52 GMT

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>It's common knowledge that Ech is not effective once

>you -have- the flu. Any study set up to prove so will. However, that's

not where

>Ech is used in real life, -because- it is well-known that it should be

taken at

>the first signs of the flu.



From you personal experience as a herbalist  what effects or results

did you get when a patient was using it against cold/flu?



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Subject: Re: was Re: exhaution

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:13:24 +0200

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crousoe@my-deja.com wrote:



>>It's common knowledge that Ech is not effective once

>>you -have- the flu. Any study set up to prove so will. However, that's not where

>>Ech is used in real life, -because- it is well-known that it should be taken at

>>the first signs of the flu.

>

>From you personal experience as a herbalist  what effects or results

>did you get when a patient was using it against cold/flu?



It works at the first signs of the flu. It doesn't do much when the fever is

gone. If you've got the flu bad and still have a fever Ech works better if you

add just a pinch of cayenne to your tinct. Or add just a few drops of cayenne

tinct to your bottle of Ech tinct.



Anyway, once the fever is gone it's far better to rest and drink plenty of warm

fluids.



Cheers

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Subject: Re: was Re: exhaution

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:11:29 GMT

--------



>It works at the first signs of the flu. It doesn't do much when the

fever is

>gone. If you've got the flu bad and still have a fever Ech works

better if you

>add just a pinch of cayenne to your tinct. Or add just a few drops of

cayenne

>tinct to your bottle of Ech tinct.

---

>Take Ech so it doesn't come into contact with the mucous

>membrane in your mouth and you remove a -large- amount of the effect



Do you add cayenne for a better resorption in the mouth and thus

getting a better effect?



What I intended to ask is what effects you notice when your patients

use the herb.



later

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Subject: Re: was Re: exhaution

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:02:23 +0200

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crousoe@my-deja.com wrote:

>>It works at the first signs of the flu. It doesn't do much when the fever is

>>gone. If you've got the flu bad and still have a fever Ech works better if you

>>add just a pinch of cayenne to your tinct. Or add just a few drops of cayenne

>>tinct to your bottle of Ech tinct.

>---

>>Take Ech so it doesn't come into contact with the mucous

>>membrane in your mouth and you remove a -large- amount of the effect

>

>Do you add cayenne for a better resorption in the mouth and thus

>getting a better effect?



Ech in itself is not a moving herb, it needs the zing that cayenne gives.

Especially when you have the flu and thus have -lots- of debris in your tissues.



Henriette



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Subject: was Re: exhaution

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2000 12:56:36 

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	 cd> From: crousoe@my-deja.com



>>It's common knowledge that Ech is not effective once you -have-

>>the flu. Any study set up to prove so will. However, that's not

>>where Ech is used in real life, -because- it is well-known that it

>>should be taken at the first signs of the flu.



 cd> From you personal experience as a herbalist   what effects or results

 cd> did you get when a patient was using it against cold/flu?



 cd> Crousoe



Well, Crousoe,  this question indicates that, perhaps you *are*

interested in other opinions than the one you expound.  My sincere

apologies...



cheers,

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Subject: was Re: exhaution

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2000 12:40:47 

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	 HK> From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>



 HK> crousoe@my-deja.com wrote:

>>"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net> wrote:

>>>Or echinacea for flu and some other infections?



>>It has yet to be proven that Echinacea really has an effect on

>>colds and respiratory infections. Read some abstracts on medline



Hardly objective... neither does the former respondent seem so...



 HK> .... and then ask:

 HK> - who funded the study? Not by any chance a big

 HK> pharmaceutical with lots of money in their own OTC flu meds?



Would the respondent be interested in this fact?  Especially as

(he/she) seems to have already *found* the 'truth', and seemingly,

wants nothing more than reassurance of expressed views.



 HK> Any study that says that Ech used in frequent small doses is

 HK> NOT effective against the flu if taken at the first signs of

 HK> onset can be discarded as propaganda against the herb. ...



*****

 HK> Sadly, there are far too many studies on herbs out there that

 HK> are done just to discredit herbs. The "Ech kills hamstersperm"

 HK> -study comes to mind as one that should kick the scientists

 HK> and/or journalists involved straight to a job where the most

 HK> common question they ask is "Do you want fries with that, sir?".

 HK> Because these scientists and/or journalists were either gravely

 HK> dishonest in their methods or they were completely and utterly

 HK> incompetent.



Again, the "scientific method", which is supposed to *seek* the truth

gets lost in zeal to "prove" one's perspective, as such a 'study'

proves!   Surely, such "scientists and/or journalists involved" *prove*

themselves incompetent for scientific study, whether "gravely

dishonest" *or* "completely and utterly incompetent"!  There are

millions who depend on the integrity of research every time they

take a pill from the pharmacy!  Little do they realize that the vast

bulk of "trials" (final testing) is done on those buying the drug! ...

*They* are the live subjects... (those who are purchasing the drug

that they take such confidnece in!)



I recognize that there are times when it is advisable for one to

take a prescription drug, but I'd far rather take my chances on

'Ech' for the flu, cold, someother infection that I feel comfortable

taking it for... People should *not* live in fear of taking a hand in

their own healthcare.



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Subject: Re: was Re: exhaution

From: LindaN <lindan@aiconnect.com>

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:34:33 -0500

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On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:00:38 GMT, crousoe@my-deja.com wrote:



>> Some skin fungi can be conquered with good

>>hygiene.

>

>Maybe they can be prevented (but we are talking about treatment) or

>some mild forms can be treated. But even if you`d treat those it would

>never be as efficient and easy as with modern creams.  And it is

>impossible to control infected nails with herbs.



As someone who has treated some of the most severe cases of fungal

infections in myself (with my wholistic doctor's knowledge and

consent) with natural means (diet, herbs,  probiotics, etc.) I would

take issue with your statement here. And  many more illnesses can be

treated successfully with herbs, diet, environmental controls, and

other natural means, than can ever be done with traditional drug

medicine. Most of the time all drugs do is surpress symptoms and do

more biological/biochemical damage in the long run.



That does not mean drugs are not sometimes very usefull and can be

life saving, but drug and surgery medicine is definately is not all it

is cracked up to be.



>I am talking about limits. And I say it again - phytotherapy is okay

>and I like it.

>You can treat a lot with herbs and standerdized extracts and often

>there are not many risks or side-effects but there is a LIMIT. And many

>modern medications are just more effecient, safer and more reasonable

>when it comes to treating the conditions I mentioned.



Really?  I belong to an entire list of chemically injured people for

whom modern medications have ruined their lives.  Myself included. And

the list grows larger every day.  Read any PDR and get a good eyefull

of what the doctors don't want to tell you about all the damage doctor

drugs can do.  And the information contained in the PDR is many times

only half the story.



>>Saying herbs can not be used to treat these conditions, or some of

>>them, makes me wonder if you have some other motivation, like being

>>connected with a pharmaceutical or medical interest.

>

>Saying herbs should be used to treat these conditions, or some of them,

>makes me wonder if you talk to me by parchment-to-email-time-travel

>from the 15th century.



It is the 21st century that will see the ultimate proof of what herbs

and natural medicine can do because it is only in this century that we

are reaping the ultimate horrors of modern drug medicine, and seeing

the body count increase every day in every way.



Want to read the truth;  referenced to the teeth?



Start off with a book entitled "Tired or Toxic" by Sherry Rogers, M.D.

and then add "The EI Sydrome" by her as well.



And then go out and get the rest of her excellent books. Then  you can

go on to some really good Herb books written by excellent herbalists

and Naturopathic Physians like Paul Bergner, Daniel Mowrey, and

others.



You may just learn something.



My 2 cents



Linda

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From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:40:50 GMT

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>And many more illnesses can be

>treated successfully with herbs, diet, environmental controls, and

>other natural means, than can ever be done with traditional drug

>medicine.



some examples?



You are now including "diet, environmental controls, and other natural

means" added to the herbs. It is also due to complementary medicine

holistic therapies have become more popular.

But you can use this with modern medicine just as well.



>but drug and surgery medicine is definately is not all it

>is cracked up to be.



I agree. No one ever suggested this. But it can solve lots of problems

you can`t solve with herbs.



>Read any PDR and get a good eyefull

>of what the doctors don't want to tell you about all the damage doctor

>drugs can do. And the information contained in the PDR is many times

>only half the story.



Well this is a bit too general. There are many drugs that can be taken

without great risks. The lists are so long because everything has to be

mentioned that happened during clinical trials even if it has nothing

to do with the drug. These lists must be interpreted.



But of course you are right in some cases. Some drugs can have severe

side-effects and risks.



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From: LindaN <lindan@aiconnect.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:33:18 -0500

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:40:50 GMT, crousoe@my-deja.com wrote:



>

>>And many more illnesses can be

>>treated successfully with herbs, diet, environmental controls, and

>>other natural means, than can ever be done with traditional drug

>>medicine.

>

>some examples?



Lupus

Most other autoimmune illnesses

High blood pressure

Migraine (Just eliminate the triggers...most of the time they are

foods)

many infections.

Most viral infections

Asthma (eliminate or nutralize to the food or environmental  trigggers

like environmental specialists do.)

athete's foot

angina (yes in many cases, it can be treated naturally:  diet, herbs,

eliminating environmental and food triggers, lowering your cholesterol

with diet and exercise, etc.



In fact most illnesses can be treated naturally unless they are very

severe.  And even in those cases drugs do not cure unless it is a very

severe infection. And still we are finding the over use of antibiotics

is limiting what antibiotics can now do.



>You are now including "diet, environmental controls, and other natural

>means" added to the herbs. It is also due to complementary medicine

>holistic therapies have become more popular.



Well even herbalists don't use herbs alone!  You don't just pop an

herb and don't also look at your lifestyle,  your diet, and the

chemicals in your life etc.  Looking at it the way you are means you

are looking at health and illness like allopaths do. Like each disease

it a deficiency of a particular drug.   (A migraine is a Darvon

deficiency, and Lupus is a cortizone deficiency etc. etc.)



It is addressing what Dr. Rogers calls "The total load" that is what

it is all about.



>But you can use this with modern medicine just as well.



Well I suppose you can, but if you do that,  in the long run most

drugs are only going to give you more illnesses down the road.  Dr.

Rogers' favorite saying about this is that when you choose drug

medicine for the most part "The sick get sick quicker" because drugs

do not address the underlying biochemical imbalances that are at the

heart of most illnesses. (see quotes from one of Dr. Roger's book

below.)



>>but drug and surgery medicine is definately is not all it

>>is cracked up to be.

>

>I agree. No one ever suggested this. But it can solve lots of problems

>you can`t solve with herbs.



Now it is your turn to give examples.



Show me where most drugs do something other than just surpress

symptoms (with notable exceptions like antibiotics when appropriate.)



>>Read any PDR and get a good eyefull

>>of what the doctors don't want to tell you about all the damage doctor

>>drugs can do. And the information contained in the PDR is many times

>>only half the story.

>

>Well this is a bit too general. There are many drugs that can be taken

>without great risks. 



Examples again please.  All drugs carry risks.  Most drugs work by

poisoning biochemical pathways.  (See Dr. Rogers quotes below.) The

PDR lists these things because the drug companies found them as side

effects while testing the drugs. And for many drugs these side effects

can be such serious things as liver damage, blood abnormalities,

kidney damage, etc. etc.



>The lists are so long because everything has to be

>mentioned that happened during clinical trials even if it has nothing

>to do with the drug. These lists must be interpreted.



Whoa! Most the time these things *are* the results of the drugs taken

in the trials. That is why they have to be listed.



>But of course you are right in some cases. Some drugs can have severe

>side-effects and risks.



Well we agree to disagree. 



I leave you with some quotes from Dr. Roger's book "Depression Cured

at Last" to think about.



"Among the top ten drugs prescribed in this country in the U.S is a

catagory called calcium channel blocker. There are scores of types and

here are just some of the common names: Adalat Calan, Cardene,

Cardizem, Dilacor, Dynacirc, Isoptin, Nimotop, Norvasc, Plendil,

Procardia, Vascor, Verelan, Nifidipene.



Calcium channel blockers are very popular for treating cardiac

arrthythmias, hypertension, and angina.  Most doctors do not know

enough about them to know that they potentiate cancer. If you find

this hard to believe, ask the doc who prescribes it what a gap

junctional protein is.



I'll explain this difficult concept to you now because you know enough

medicine to be able to understand the problem. Then you will get the

shock of your life: that the drug manufacturers have to know all about

this chemistry and more in order to develop the drug.  In other words,

they knowingly bypass inexpensive nutrient corrections that could save

your life and actually cure your condition. Instead they go to

elaborate extremes to manufacture an expensive drug that allows not

only the sick to get sicker quicker, but to get cancer quicker.



Here's how it works;  The cell membrane is a sandwitch of fats called

lipids. You learned that the essential fatty acid, eicosapentaenoic

acid (EPA) is part of one of the layers in that sandwitch. And so is

phosphatidyl choline, vitamin E, and a host of other nutrients. Now

this envelope around the cell has to have a way for nutrients to get

inside the cell. So the membrane is studded with pores called calcium

channels. They are called this because through these pores calcium is

pumped back into the cell.  There are many other pores. Some pump

potassium, some pump sodium, etc.



When the cell does its daily work, calcium crosses this membrane. In

order to restore the cell to perpetuate its ability to do its daily

work, it needs to actively pump the calcium back out of the cell. For

it is needed in the mitochondria (where energy is made) and in the

endoplasmic reticulum (where chemicals, drugs, hormones,

neurotransmitters and more or detoxified).



This process of pumping calcium through the calcium channel is not

easy. It requires energy.  It also depends upon the cell sandwitch for

having the exact correct types of layers in the membrane. For the pore

or channel partly runs on an electric current that is generated by the

polar side arms that stick out from the molecules in the lipid

sandwitch. In essence, if you do not have the right layers in the

sandwitch, you do not have the correct electrons in the pore lining.

Hence the calcium pump is broken, or does not function properly



Normally, the synchronized contraction of the heart muscle is brought

about by the flow of ions through these pores. And through these

pores, also flows or is pumped substances to feed and nourish the

cell. But when a cell is metabolically damaged or depressed because it

lacks phosphatidyl choline, as one example, the calcium pump does not

work. So massive amounts of calcium leak back into the cell, and

cannot be pumped out. When the membrane pore calcium pump is damaged

by lack of nutrients, too much calcium floods the cell interior and

causes the cell to first malfunction, then die. So calcium channel

blokers were synthesized in order to poison the area where the calcium

is leaking in.  Calcium channel blockers actually close off or shut

down or poison these important regulatory channels, so there is now

essentially no channel at all.



Now since the person's angina, hypertension, or arrhythmia is better,

you think, what's so bad about that? The problem is that closely

related to the calcium channels are structures called gap junctional

proteins. And researchers have learned some additional interesting

things about these gap junctional proteins.



Gap junctions can also act somewhat like channels or pores.  They are

actually more like little protein tubules that connect cells to one

another.  And it is through these little protein tubules that cells

talk to one another.  No man is an island and no cell is autonomous

unto itself. Cells, like nutrients and like people, work best in

concert of symphony.  For example, signals that run from cell to cell,

tell a cell when to stop growing, that it is crowding its neighbor. I

can hear the cells yelling down the picket fence now: "Hey, you down

there.  Yes, you, third cells from the right. You're crowding me. Stop

growing".



Many environmental chemicals, like pesticides, can damage these gap

junctions. And specific nutrients, like vitamin A can help regenerate

them. Well guess what makes the difference between a normal cell and a

cancer cell?  No gap junctional proteins on the cancer cell.  So no

wonder cancers grow wildly out of control and even spread throughout

the body. They have lost their cell to cell communication link.



And you recall that the job of of calcium channel blockers is to

intentially poison the calcium channel, since after a lifetime of

trans fatty acids, etc. it not [sic] longer works. But intentionally

poisoning the cell membrane calcium channels affects the closely

allied gap junctional proteins as well; thus they can speed the way

towards cancer. Plus by taking the calcium channel blockers, you

ignore repairing the cell membrane. You don't look for deficiencies in

the lipid sandwitch and channel.



The interesting thing is I had to spend thousands of dollars on

medical searches and thousands of hours to learn that this has been

known for decades. In fact the designers of drugs have to know it in

order to figure out how they are going to make money on a biochemical

glitch in your body.



From that point on, it's really easy pulling the wool over doctor's

eyes. Just over work them, and constantly flood the market with new

drugs so they feel intimidated for not using the lastest one.  And

never teach them biochemistry.  Give them just enough facts so they

feel important telling everyone it is a calcium channel blocker.  This

is meant to stop anyone from wanting to know more. For if you tell

doctors too much, they might figure out that there is a cheaper, more

definately healing, and more ethical way to fix the problem.



The WALL STREET JOURNAL  in the winter of 1996 sported articles on

ther fact that patients who took calcium channel blockers had 60% more

chance of dying of a heart attack. But of course, they never knew why.

But you do. You are taking a system that is broken and damaging it

more. You are taking a fellow who is down and kicking him in the

teeth.  How long before he rallies with the plastic Band-Aid is

dependent on his total load of stressors.



So I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you what goes on in

medicine, but I don't know who else will.  But once you know the

source, you can make infinately more intelligent, and empowered

choices about your health.  And that's all that counts."



(Then Dr. Rogers lists her references."



pgs.688- 692   "Depression Cured At Last" Sherry A. Rogers, M.D.

SK Publishing, PO Box 40101, Sarasota, FL 34242 ISBN: 1-887202-00-5



Here are some more quotes from the book:



"Recall  the JAMA study by Whang in 1990 showing that 90% of all

physicians never even think of ordering the least sensitive test ( a

serum magnesium) in over 1000 patients who where so ill as to be

hospitalized.  And many of these died as a consequence of the

magnesium deficiency not being diagnosed and corrected....."



"Consider the magnesium deficiency that causes hypertension. If the

cause is not sought, or just as bad, if a mere serum magnesium test is

done and found to be normal, often the first drug to be prescribed is

a diuretic. Now diuretics are known for th ability to induce hyokalema

(low potassium). But a magnesium deficiency is caused by diuretics as

well. Hence, by taking a diuretic for PMS or magnesium-induced

hypertension, you actually make worse the underlying cause of the

symptom for which the drug was prescribed.



"Hense the hypertension or PMS can worsen, requiring other drugs, or

progress and cause other symptoms such as refractory hyokalemia

(Whang, 1992) or recalcritrant cardiac arrthythmia (Seelig, 1980,

Marino, 1991).   The latter spurs the use of calcium channel blockers,

but magnesium is natures' calcium channel blocker (Iseri, 1984) and

controls the calcium pump (Abraham, 1982).  You can see what a

mountain of symptoms can result by ignoring chemistry."



pgs 258-259 "Depression Cured At Last" Sherry A. Rogers, M.D.

SK Publishing, PO Box 40101, Sarasota, FL 34242 ISBN: 1-887202-00-5



"Or recall the benefits of glutamine for depression?  Well they

studied its use with bone marrow recipients to improve healing. It

significantly cut the hospital stay, saving patients over $10,000

each. This is a considerable amount especially when multiplied  times

the number of people that will have a transplant each year.  Yet how

many physicians have ever even heard of it, much less its use in

depression, promoting healing after a bone marrow transplant for

cancer etc.? (MacBurney M et. al, A cost evaluation of

glutamine-supplemented parenteral nutrition in adult bone marrow

transplant patients, J AMER DIET ASSOC, Nov 1998;94(11):1263-1266).

Also see Volumes II and III.



When general medicine can ignore the welfare of the patient this

badly, guess what kind of treatment the the depressed or mental

patient gets?  Worse!  Hell, he's even prescribed electrocution of the

brain in 1995 as you will learn.  Folks, we could write volumes  on

this but you get the picture.  It is criminal to carry on in medicine

as though every disease were a drug deficiency.  The era of molecular

medicine arrived years ago.  With all the data presented here and the

over 1700 deaths on Prozac alone, how much more data and how many more

lives will it take before we do conscientious, intelligent, cause

oriented medicine?"



pgs  656-657 "Depression Cured At Last" Sherry A. Rogers, M.D.

SK Publishing, PO Box 40101, Sarasota, FL 34242 ISBN: 1-887202-00-5



More quotes:



"CANCER: THE LAST WAKE UP CALL, BUT HARDLY AND EXCUSE  FOR DEPRESSION



Do not forget that there are numerous potetial causes for depression,

not the least of which is cancer. Often long before a person knows he

has cancer, he is just plain fatigued or depressed. You might think

that would be a reason to be depressed if you knew you had cancer. But

actually it is a reason to be happy.  You see we all have cancer cells

in us. But we take care of them on a daily basis. When finally the

cancer is further ahead than the body, it becomes diagnosable. But it

is a disease of optimism, for it is giving you one last wake up call.



You see our body is trying to get our attention to repent or mend our

ways every time we have a symptom.  If you have a little ache,

depression, fatigue, colitis, or whatever, evey symptom is a God-given

alarm that says you had better look for the environmental trigger and

the biochemical glitches before you get something worse. But we often

ignore the wake-up call, stuff a medication down our gullets, and move

on to the next inevitable symptom in time. Whenever we get the wake up

call, we have a choice of finding the cause, or stifling the alarm

with a drug. And so on it goes until we get a final call, a stroke,

heart attack, etc.



But cancer is curable, even when you have been given up on by

medicine.  And if not curable, you can measurably increase your

survival and well-being. But it is all under your control. Don't

expect to find a doctor to take this over. For there is no money in it

and it does not feed the drug industry and medical industries, it is

discredited as having any value (call the cancer hotline and hear for

your self).



So lets look at some of the evidence. In one study, cancer specialists

(oncologists) in Finland gave high doses of nutrients to one group of

patients in addition to the chemotherapy and radiation. These were

lung cancer patients with an expected 1% survival at 2 1/2 years. In

other words, of 100 patients with lung cancer, only one was expected

to be alive in 2 1/2 years if everything that medicine has to offer

had been done. But for the group who got the nutrients, in 6 years,

44% were still alive when the study ended. So that's 44 out 100 alive

at 6 years versus one, just with some unsophisticated and inexpensive

nutrients! Just imagine their results if they had actually measured

levels and corrected each accordingly and put  them on the macro diet?

But show me oncologists who do this.



In another study at the West Virginia Medical school, they looked at

patients with cancer of the bladder. Again they blindly gave only 4

vitamins; no levels were measured, no amino acids, no minerals, no

essential fatty acids, and no specific healing diet.  Yet they dropped

the recurrance rate in half. In other words, in 2 years, over 80% of

the patients get their cancer back when you do everything known to

science. But for the vitamin group, the recurrance rate was only 40%

versus 80%.  With 4 simple nutrients, they cut the cancer recurrance

rate in half! (Lamm, J UROL, Jan 1994)



Or look at another study of cancer patients where one group ate a

healthier diet and had some supplements.  The average life span was 6

months. In the test group, 47% lived 6 years, not 6 months!  And 32%

were still alive at 10 years when the study ended (had to publish it

before the researchers died)."



pgs. 576-577 "Depression Cured At Last" Sherry A. Rogers, M.D.

SK Publishing, PO Box 40101, Sarasota, FL 34242 ISBN: 1-887202-00-5



*(I will list some of Dr. Rogers' references for this for those

interested in doing the back research.)



Jaakkola K, Lahteenmaki P, Treatment with antioxident and other

nutrients in combination with chemotherapy and irradiation in patients

with small-cell lung cancer, ANTICANER RES, 12:599-606, 1992



Lamm DL, Riggs DR, Shriver JS, van Gilder PF, Megadose vitamn in

bladder cancer: a double blind clinical trial, J UROL, 151:21-26, 1994



pg. 579 "Depression Cured At Last" Sherry A. Rogers, M.D.

SK Publishing, PO Box 40101, Sarasota, FL 34242 ISBN: 1-887202-00-5



"In yet another study at the University of Hawaii, 675 lung cancer

patients were studied for 6 years. The more vegetables they ate, the

longer they lived. In another study at the University of British

Columbia, patients were studied who had had spontanious remarkable

remissions of their cancers. Eighty seven percent had made a

vegetarian diet change, 55% used detoxification procedures (like

coffee enemas, etc.) and 65% took supplements (Directions are in

WELLNESS AGAINST ALL ODDS).  Yet patients continually telll me their

oncologists advise them to eat what ever they want.  They tell them

diet has no bearing on cancer."



pg 578 "Depression Cured At Last" Sherry A. Rogers, M.D.

SK Publishing, PO Box 40101, Sarasota, FL 34242 ISBN: 1-887202-00-5



*References again:



Hoffer A, Pauling L, Hardin Jones biostatistical analysis of mortality

data of cancer patients, J ORTHOMOLECULAR MED, 5;3:143-154, 1990



Goodman MT, Vegetable consumption in lung cancer longevity, EUR J CA,

28;2:495-499





Dr. Rogers admits to having limited knowledge about herbal medicine

but here is what she has to say about it in this same book:



"There are herbs that written about for years which have a long

histroy of having helped depression. Herbology is one area I have

little experience in. But the references show me that there is

validity and that we should never stop learning.  We'll look at just a

few that I have seen be helpfull.



The most commonly cited herb for depression is St. John's Wort

(Hypericum perforatum). There is a caution of photosensitivity with

this herb. In one study they had 66% of the patients improve their

depression on the substance. This shows me that I have to open my

close mind to the wonderful world of weeds.  And indeed some people

with depression have reported improvement with it.



St. John's Wort (hypericum perforatum) is an example of but one of the

many common herbs that have been known to help depression, and

researchers even know how this one works. It irreversibly inhibits

monoamine oxidase (MAO) ...



*My note. I believe recent research has shown that the alleged MAO

properties of St John's Wort are not all that high in the herb, if at

all and that MAO inhibition may not be the  mechanism or the sole

involved in this herbs actions.  Aiding in the uptake of GABA may also

be involved.  Experienced professional herbalists on the list, please

correct me if I am wrong in this assessment.*



Dr. Rogers goes on:



"....In other words, it slows down the metabolism or destruction of

happy homones. So they stay around longer, improving your mood.  You

will recall that there are prescription antidepressant medicines that

are monoamine oxidase inhibitors.  However, these are extremely

dangerous and you can die from the side effects of them if you so much

as take an antihistamine or eat the wrong food. But St. John's Wort

does not have these side effects...."



" Likewise, there is considerable data on Ginko Biloba which has

improved memory, thinking, and brain blood flow.  The interesting

thing is that it is so unheard of in the U.S., yet non-toxic and able

to improve poor cerebral or brain blood flow in the aging,

depression-prone brain. It also, like St. John's Wort, inhibits MAO.

And it is relatively free of side effects."



pg. 392 "Depression Cured At Last" Sherry A. Rogers, M.D.

SK Publishing, PO Box 40101, Sarasota, FL 34242 ISBN: 1-887202-00-5

 

*(My note:  Again, I have not seen any studies that show that this is

its mechanism by which Ginko helps with depression, but I defer to the

more experienced herbalists on this list to provide the correct

infomation in that area.*



Ok.  It has taken me several hours to type all of this in, so this

will most likely be my last posting on this thread.



I realize that there will be people out there who will not agree with

Dr. Rogers, or with her [well researched] views (and my views) on what

medicine should be or will become.



But the evidence is out there for those who care to look.



Disease is *not* a defiency of pharmaceuticals.  As Dr. Mendelson put

it in his book, "Confessions of a Medical Heretic" once you start

learning this stuff (and also learn about what Dr. Rogers calls "dirty

little medical politics") you have 2 choices.  You can go back to

letting doctors run your life again, or you can take your health back

into your own hands.



(Someone borrowed my Confessions of a Medical Heretic and never

returned it so I don't have an exact quote on this one.  Sorry folks.)



Peace.

Linda



P.S.  I aplogize for the inevitable typos that will most likely be in

this post. My  brain is fried as I have been on the computer far too

long this morning.

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Subject: Re: was Re: exhaution

From: Shinma <shinma1NOSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid>

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:33:11 GMT

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crousoe@my-deja.com wrote:

> 

> >And many more illnesses can be

> >treated successfully with herbs, diet, environmental controls, and

> >other natural means, than can ever be done with traditional drug

> >medicine.

> 

> some examples?

> 



From personal experience: endometriosis.  All hail the mighty chaste

tree which cured what the doctors could not laser.  Yes, cured.  It's so

far in remission the last surgery I had to check on things I was told it

did not even look like I had suffered from endo.  This *after* the

doctor had to leave small lesions because the laser could not cauterize

something so small.



Michelle





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Subject: Re: was Re: exhaution

From: LindaN <lindan@aiconnect.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:17:45 -0500

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:33:11 GMT, Shinma

<shinma1NOSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>crousoe@my-deja.com wrote:

>> 

>> >And many more illnesses can be

>> >treated successfully with herbs, diet, environmental controls, and

>> >other natural means, than can ever be done with traditional drug

>> >medicine.

>> 

>> some examples?

>> 

>

>From personal experience: endometriosis.  All hail the mighty chaste

>tree which cured what the doctors could not laser.  Yes, cured.  It's so

>far in remission the last surgery I had to check on things I was told it

>did not even look like I had suffered from endo.  This *after* the

>doctor had to leave small lesions because the laser could not cauterize

>something so small.

>

>Michelle



And I too will do some worshiping to the almighty chaste tree!



That is one powerfull little herb!!  :-)



Linda 



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Subject: Nephritis- Herbs To Help??

From: DepressedGrl <jewishpunkrockgirlNOjeSPAM@my-deja.com.invalid>

Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 06:29:09 -0800

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My dear friend at work has Nephritis- a kidney disease.  She

only has 25% of her kidneys left working.  I'd like to recommend

her some herbs.  I sent her a few pages I've found.  Anyone here

have any recommendations of herbal webpages to go to?  Also,

anyone here have any herbal recommendations?  Also, anyone here

know of/heard of anyone that was helped with this disease with

herbs/supplements?



I do have faith in herbs and supplements as they have helped me

completely with various ailments I've had such as Plantar

Fasciitis.





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Subject: Re: Nephritis- Herbs To Help??

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:13:10 +0200

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DepressedGrl <jewishpunkrockgirlNOjeSPAM@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote:

>My dear friend at work has Nephritis- a kidney disease.



Nephritis just means "kidney inflammation". It doesn't say -anything- about the

nitty gritty of it, not the why, not the how, not the how bad.



>She only has 25% of her kidneys left working.  

>I'd like to recommend her some herbs.  I sent her a few pages I've found.  Anyone here

>have any recommendations 



Yes. Have her see a competent herbalist close to her. This is NOT something

she'd want to do sight unseen over the internet. If the kidneys fail completely

she'll be in a dialysis machine twice a week for the rest of her life. 

So, be practical. Will you ask for more advice here then?



>of herbal webpages to go to?  Also,

>anyone here have any herbal recommendations?  Also, anyone here

>know of/heard of anyone that was helped with this disease with

>herbs/supplements?



Any replies you get which advise anything BUT a visit to a qualified

professional can be discarded out of hand. This goes especially for any

supplement hustlers, MLM'ers, and other magic pill sellers.



Here's my list of referral addresses for the US. You don't say where you are,

but if those don't help you can always check your yellow pages for professional

associations.



You can contact the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians referral

line at: 206 - 323 7610 2366 Eastlake Avenue, Suite 322 Seattle, WA 98102, or

check out the searchable database on the AANP's home page at:

http://www.naturopathic.org



The American Holistic Medical Association will also provide you with a list of

practitioners in your area who may use complimentary therapies. Send them a

self-addressed stamped envelope with a note indicating your area to: American

Holistic Medical Association, 4101 Lake Boone Trail, Suite 201, Raleigh, NC

27607, (919) 787-5146. 

They're on the web at: http://www.holisticmedicine.org 



The American Association of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine is there, too:

4101 Lake Boone Trail, Suite 201, Raleigh, NC 27607, (919) 787-5181, but I've

found no web address.



AMR'TA has compiled a comprehensive list of Alternative Health Association

Links: http://www.healthwwweb.com/medical.html



And then there's the American Herbalists Guild, on the web at:

http://www.healthy.com/herbalists

PO Box 1683, Soquel, CA 95073.



Brits can ask for member of NIMH (National Institute of Herbal Medicine),

Australians have the NHAA, online at http://www.real.net.au/~nhaa .



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Nephritis- Herbs To Help??

From: "robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:31:09 -0000

--------

Just to add to Henriette's answer, the NIMH website is at

www.btinternet.com/~nimh  We have some members elsewhere in the world,

especially in Europe, but also the USA, Canada and Australia.



You also need to be aware that a lot of herbs are actually contraindicated

in kidney disease - including the majority of those used for bladder

infections - so self-treatment could be very harmful here. It would be easy

to get hold of the wrong end of the stick and use "urinary system herbs"

that are actually appropriate just for the lower urinary system and not the

kidney.



--

Robyn





Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:p4rccs89gn0o35r90tot4364h9sde4nequ@4ax.com...

> DepressedGrl <jewishpunkrockgirlNOjeSPAM@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote:

> >My dear friend at work has Nephritis- a kidney disease.

>

> Nephritis just means "kidney inflammation". It doesn't say -anything-

about the

> nitty gritty of it, not the why, not the how, not the how bad.

>

> >She only has 25% of her kidneys left working.

> >I'd like to recommend her some herbs.  I sent her a few pages I've found.

Anyone here

> >have any recommendations

>

> Yes. Have her see a competent herbalist close to her. This is NOT

something

> she'd want to do sight unseen over the internet. If the kidneys fail

completely

> she'll be in a dialysis machine twice a week for the rest of her life.

> So, be practical. Will you ask for more advice here then?

>

> >of herbal webpages to go to?  Also,

> >anyone here have any herbal recommendations?  Also, anyone here

> >know of/heard of anyone that was helped with this disease with

> >herbs/supplements?

>

> Any replies you get which advise anything BUT a visit to a qualified

> professional can be discarded out of hand. This goes especially for any

> supplement hustlers, MLM'ers, and other magic pill sellers.

>

> Here's my list of referral addresses for the US. You don't say where you

are,

> but if those don't help you can always check your yellow pages for

professional

> associations.

>

> You can contact the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians

referral

> line at: 206 - 323 7610 2366 Eastlake Avenue, Suite 322 Seattle, WA 98102,

or

> check out the searchable database on the AANP's home page at:

> http://www.naturopathic.org

>

> The American Holistic Medical Association will also provide you with a

list of

> practitioners in your area who may use complimentary therapies. Send them

a

> self-addressed stamped envelope with a note indicating your area to:

American

> Holistic Medical Association, 4101 Lake Boone Trail, Suite 201, Raleigh,

NC

> 27607, (919) 787-5146.

> They're on the web at: http://www.holisticmedicine.org

>

> The American Association of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine is there,

too:

> 4101 Lake Boone Trail, Suite 201, Raleigh, NC 27607, (919) 787-5181, but

I've

> found no web address.

>

> AMR'TA has compiled a comprehensive list of Alternative Health Association

> Links: http://www.healthwwweb.com/medical.html

>

> And then there's the American Herbalists Guild, on the web at:

> http://www.healthy.com/herbalists

> PO Box 1683, Soquel, CA 95073.

>

> Brits can ask for member of NIMH (National Institute of Herbal Medicine),

> Australians have the NHAA, online at http://www.real.net.au/~nhaa .

>

> Henriette

>

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Subject: cancer query

From: Gracetown_@webart.org.uk

Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:50:53 +0000

--------

Has anybody heard of a herbal treatment for cancer called Essiac?

Please e-mail me if you have any information.



Regards



Melanie





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cancer query

From: "LadyBlue" <ladyblue@corecomm.net>

Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:44:13 -0600

--------

Posted and E-Mailed:



Dr. Gary L. Glum wrote the book, "Calling of An Angel", which is the life

story of Marie Caisse (essiac spelled backwards) and her brave fight to

bring this herbal treatment into public awareness.



The Essiac homepage is http://essiac-info.org/  and I'm sure you'll find

many articles on that page to read.  Another link is http://essiacsource.com

where the mixture can be ordered from.

--

Best Wishes,

Linda

"It's a dot eat dot com world out there."



<Gracetown_@webart.org.uk> wrote in message

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> Has anybody heard of a herbal treatment for cancer called Essiac?

> Please e-mail me if you have any information.

>

> Regards

>

> Melanie







==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Eyebright for Eye Pain? How To Apply?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 08 Mar 2000 21:42:48 GMT

--------





Hi guys.....



My father is having severe eye pain associated with his migraines.  I have on

hand Eyebright, dried herbs, and made little homemade tea bags for him with a

teensy bit of Eyebright in each bag.  I had read somewhere that using Eyebright

in an infusion and then applying to the eyelids while warm, as a compress,

would be helpful.  Anyone know any more information on this?  Is an infusion

and using tea bags w/the Eyebright as compresses the best method to help with

his pain?  Any info. would be very much appreciated.  Thanks!



Diana







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Subject: Goldenseal--Honeysuckle?

From: Isthmus <isthmus@mpinet.net>

Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:40:13 -0500

--------

I was told a while back that both honeysuckle and goldenseal work the

same, and that honeysuckle is a viable, if not better, substitute for

our dwindling goldenseal.  Can anyone support or negate this claim?  It

would be /much/ easier to get honeysuckle where I live, rather than

goldenseal--but I don't want to go on a useless goose chase.



If honeysuckle /isn't/ where it's at--then what /is/ a good substitute?

One that is alright for pregnant women to use.  Of course, berberines

are the effective part of goldenseal; so any close substitute would have

that in it, right? Therefore, not /good for preggers/.  Ah--I'm

rambling.  Anyhoo.  Thanks!



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++

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Subject: Re: Goldenseal--Honeysuckle?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:46:16 +0200

--------

Isthmus <isthmus@mpinet.net> wrote:



>I was told a while back that both honeysuckle and goldenseal work the

>same, and that honeysuckle is a viable, if not better, substitute for

>our dwindling goldenseal.  Can anyone support or negate this claim?  It

>would be /much/ easier to get honeysuckle where I live, rather than

>goldenseal--but I don't want to go on a useless goose chase.

>

>If honeysuckle /isn't/ where it's at--then what /is/ a good substitute?

>One that is alright for pregnant women to use.  Of course, berberines

>are the effective part of goldenseal



Berberis or Mahonia are the commonly used substitutes for goldenseal, not

because it's dangerous when you're pregnant, but because it's almost extinct in

the wild.



The general rule on herbs and pregnancy is that you don't use them. However,

some cautions on some herbs can be found in Michael Moore's Herbal-Medical

contraindication booklet, available here:

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE - go for the manuals.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Goldenseal--Honeysuckle?

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 11 Mar 2000 01:04:59 GMT

--------

> Of course, berberines

>are the effective part of goldenseal; so any close substitute would have

>that in it, right? Therefore, not /good for preggers/.  Ah--I'm

>rambling.  Anyhoo.  Thanks!



Barberry is probably the most inexpensive.  I can get it for around $2 and

ounce.  On the other hand Goldenseal costs me a whopping $14 big ones.  Also

PLEASE consult with your doctor before taking any herb or medicine.  Many

people assume that since herbs are natural then it is O.K to take them. 

Wrong!!!!



Jason





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Subject: Re: Goldenseal--Honeysuckle?

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:00:10 -0500

--------

So then- does anyone know anything about honeysuckle in and of itself? I

have made a lovely tea with the flowers along the line of jasmine tea, and

it seems to do no harm, but I wouldn't touch leaf or root til I had specific

reliable data about contents and effect/toxicity.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



Gammon Jason <gammonjason@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20000310200459.02766.00001172@ng-fx1.aol.com...

> > Of course, berberines

> >are the effective part of goldenseal; so any close substitute would have

> >that in it, right? Therefore, not /good for preggers/.  Ah--I'm

> >rambling.  Anyhoo.  Thanks!

>

> Barberry is probably the most inexpensive.  I can get it for around $2 and

> ounce.  On the other hand Goldenseal costs me a whopping $14 big ones.

Also

> PLEASE consult with your doctor before taking any herb or medicine.  Many

> people assume that since herbs are natural then it is O.K to take them.

> Wrong!!!!

>

> Jason









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Subject: Re: Goldenseal--Honeysuckle?

From: Isthmus <isthmus@mpinet.net>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:50:41 -0500

--------

Well--I've done a bit of research whilst leaving this venue open; and I've

not found much.  As far as medicinal properties go, I've found a formula for

cancer, done up by Tierra, which includes helpful info on honeysuckle

flowers.  Here's the link describing the methods:

http://www.planetherbs.com/articles/cancer.html



And then, found at this link: http://yogitea.com/Ingredients.html

Honeysuckle: It is very effective against fevers, colds and flues and is

regarded as a reliable antibiotic herb. It is useful for sore throat and

conjunctivitis, as well as inflammations of the intestines, urinary tract

and reproductive organs.



Ah-hum...  So, it /could/ be used as a substitute--though I'm not sure which

part would be more effective.  I've got a few books up my sleeve that list

constituents, I'm sure.  Just gotta dig 'em out of the boxes. ;)

--

           ~*~ Isthmus ~*~

++ If they were right, I'd agree, but it's /them/ they know, not /me/.. ++

   -- Cat Stevens, Father & Son



--------

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">

<html>

Well--I've done a bit of research whilst leaving this venue open; and I've

not found much.&nbsp; As far as medicinal properties go, I've found a formula

for cancer, done up by Tierra, which includes helpful info on honeysuckle

flowers.&nbsp; Here's the link describing the methods: <a href="http://www.planetherbs.com/articles/cancer.html">http://www.planetherbs.com/articles/cancer.html</a><a href="http://www.planetherbs.com/articles/cancer.html"></a>

<p>And then, found at this link: <a href="http://yogitea.com/Ingredients.html">http://yogitea.com/Ingredients.html</a>

<br>Honeysuckle: It is very effective against fevers, colds and flues and

is regarded as a reliable antibiotic herb. It is useful for sore throat

and conjunctivitis, as well as inflammations of the intestines, urinary

tract and reproductive organs.

<p>Ah-hum...&nbsp; So, it /could/ be used as a substitute--though I'm not

sure which part would be more effective.&nbsp; I've got a few books up

my sleeve that list constituents, I'm sure.&nbsp; Just gotta dig 'em out

of the boxes. ;)

<br>--

<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ~*~ Isthmus

~*~

<br>++ If they were right, I'd agree, but it's /them/ they know, not /me/..

++

<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; -- Cat Stevens, Father &amp; Son

<br>&nbsp;</html>





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Subject: Re: Goldenseal--Honeysuckle?

From: Bentley <bentl3y@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:08:10 GMT

--------





>

> Ah-hum... So, it /could/ be used as a substitute--though I'm not sure

which

> part would be more effective. I've got a few books up my sleeve that

list

> constituents, I'm sure. Just gotta dig 'em out of the boxes. ;)

> --

> ~*~ Isthmus ~*~

There's a good monograph on honeysuckle flowers at http://herbwalk.com,

in the "remedies" section, which lists some of the important chemical

constituents, as well as howto prepare it and what it's used for, and

other interesting stuff.

bentley

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Subject: Tribulus information?

From: lbkreuter@aol.com (Annette)

Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:56:33 GMT

--------

Hi,

I'm trying to find information on Tribulus terrestrials L. Bulgaria,

and does anyone know the common name?

Thank you, Annette





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tribulus information?

From: jamie@bozo2.local.net (jamie)

Date: 9 Mar 2000 02:48:05 GMT

--------

Annette <lbkreuter@aol.com> wrote:

>Hi,

>I'm trying to find information on Tribulus terrestrials L. Bulgaria,

>and does anyone know the common name?



Someone asked about Tribulus on a mailing list recently.

Tribulus Terrestris is "Gokhru Fruit."

The only info I could locate was a sales spiel at

http://www.ultimate.org/betterhealth/potencyingred.html





-- 

  jamie  (mjwm@austin.rr.com)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tribulus information?

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 11:52:38 +0000

--------

jamie wrote:

> 

> Annette <lbkreuter@aol.com> wrote:

> >Hi,

> >I'm trying to find information on Tribulus terrestrials L. Bulgaria,

> >and does anyone know the common name?

> 

> Someone asked about Tribulus on a mailing list recently.

> Tribulus Terrestris is "Gokhru Fruit."

> The only info I could locate was a sales spiel at

> http://www.ultimate.org/betterhealth/potencyingred.html

> 

> --

>   jamie  (mjwm@austin.rr.com)





All the usual references you see for tribulus in sports / nutritional

"information" only ever call it tribulus.  More sales guff available on

search engines if you search for the brand name of one of the extracts:

Tribestan.



The second bit should be terrestris by the way, not terrestrials. 

That's something extra.



Nick





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tribulus information?

From: "robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:39:29 -0000

--------

Try http://www.advancedherbals.com/tribulus_terrestris.html This page may

well not be there any

more - not checked for a while - and it is commercial, but what is so wrong

about making an honest living anyway? He does know roughly what he is

talking about and is a professional herbalist as well. I have nothing to do

with it myself.

Robyn





jamie <jamie@bozo2.local.net> wrote in message

news:slrn8ce474.de2.jamie@bozo2.local.net...

> Annette <lbkreuter@aol.com> wrote:

> >Hi,

> >I'm trying to find information on Tribulus terrestrials L. Bulgaria,

> >and does anyone know the common name?

>

> Someone asked about Tribulus on a mailing list recently.

> Tribulus Terrestris is "Gokhru Fruit."

> The only info I could locate was a sales spiel at

> http://www.ultimate.org/betterhealth/potencyingred.html

>

>

> --

>   jamie  (mjwm@austin.rr.com)

>

>   "There's a seeker born every minute."













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tribulus information?

From: Jamie Hills <ysf@iafrica.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:52:21 +0200

--------

Do a search on "punture vine".

Tribulus is a weed with yellow flowers and small thorns.



Annette wrote:



> Hi,

> I'm trying to find information on Tribulus terrestrials L. Bulgaria,

> and does anyone know the common name?

> Thank you, Annette







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tribulus information?

From: K.C.D. <kcduerig@micron.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:46:02 GMT

--------

In article <38c6e897.6835843@news>,

  lbkreuter@aol.com (Annette) wrote:

> Hi,

> I'm trying to find information on Tribulus terrestrials L. Bulgaria,

> and does anyone know the common name?

> Thank you, Annette

>

Annette,

Here in Idaho it is called puncture weed and is listed by the state

as a noxious weed. That means you have a legal responsibility to

eradicate it from your property, if you can.

K.C.

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Subject: Herbal Remedy Suggestions Please....

From: Hamlet <theatremagic@home.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:30:48 GMT

--------



Hi. I was wondering if anyone on here might know of some herbal remedies

for depression. Also, would anyone know where in the Santa Barbara, CA

area one can find actual herbs, not just the powdered/pill formats found

in health food stores? Much thanks in advance.

-PK







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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedy Suggestions Please....

From: C. Jordan <jordanc@home.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:46:59 GMT

--------

In article <38C77C54.731D7643@home.com>, theatremagic@home.com grabbed 

a mic and crooned..

> 

> Hi. I was wondering if anyone on here might know of some herbal remedies

> for depression. Also, would anyone know where in the Santa Barbara, CA

> area one can find actual herbs, not just the powdered/pill formats found

> in health food stores? Much thanks in advance.

> -PK

> 

> 



My doctor "prescribed" tincture of St. John's Wort when I was 

suffering from depression.  It worked beautifully, with no side 

effects (other than the taste of the tincture every day).  I took 1/2 

to 1 teaspoon mixed in a couple ounces of water twice a day.  

(Probably best to start with the smaller dose of 1/2 teaspoon twice a 

day and see if it helps).



The two brands of St. John's Wort tincture that I used were 

"Herbpharm" and "Herbalist and Alchemist."  I haven't tried any of the 

other brands so can't attest to their purity - but perhaps others on 

this NG can.  And, unfortunately, I don't live in the Santa Barbara 

area, so I can't help you out with sources (Herbpharm has a toll-free 

ordering line, though).



My doctor specifically recommended the tincture over other forms of 

the herb as he feels the tincture is more effective.



Catherine







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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedy Suggestions Please....

From: Zaphod & Trillian <heart@gold.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:11:29 -0800

--------

Smelling fresh cut rosemary is very helpful for my depression.

Broad spectrum light is also helpful.





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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedy Suggestions Please....

From: dirtroad <dirtroadNOdiSPAM@altavista.com.invalid>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:43:42 -0800

--------

get outside, it's beautiful here right

now, take a hike, go to the beach

exercise is very important.  try

reassessing your diet, depression

can sometimes be a symptom of

food allergy.  try dairy first-one of

the most common allergens in

people.  acupuncture too may help

or yoga.  something intuitive for

yourself. get a massage!!!





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Subject: Re: Cure for Cold Sores

From: Hamlet <theatremagic@home.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:51:29 GMT

--------

Hi. I realize I've joined this thread a little late, but I thought I'd throw in

my own little bit of experience. Cold sores run strong in my family and we've

found that Sage makes quite a good cure (not to mention working wonders as a tea

for ulcers). Try it as a compress for topical problems or as a tea for

preventative use. It's not 100% effective (what is), but it definitely helps,

and has a whole slew of beneficial side effects as well. Best of luck.

-PK



David Glass wrote:



> Hello, this is a desperate call for help.

> My 13 year old daughter has been suffering from a skin complaint since she

> was 10 months old.  It has been diagnosed by our GP as either cold sores or

> impetigo, this starts off as a rash (always on her chin or cheeks)which

> rapidly turns into a collection of small boils.  Within 24-36 hours the

> boils have burst leaving a yellowish scab about 2cm in diameter.

> Our GP has prescribed antibiotics to prevent infection but has told us that

> they are caused by a virus which is in the blood-stream and that there is no

> cure, so here we are.  We have tried to eliminate any possible alergies such

> as sunlight (UV rays), stress, cold temperatures and diet but with no

> success.

>

> Many thanks in advance

>

> David







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tribulus information? The TRUTH

From: Jamie Hills <ysf@iafrica.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:03:12 +0200

--------

Puncturevine (Tribulus terrestris)



Puncturevine is a member of the Caltrop family and is an introduced

annual which

reproduces by seeds. It is a prostrate, matforming plant with trailing

stems, each 1 to 6

feet long and hairy. The leaves are opposite, pinnate, one to two inches

long with four to

eight pairs of leaflets. The yellow flowers are 1/4 to 1/2 inches wide

with five petals. The

fruit is a hard, spiny bud which at maturity breaks into five tack-like

sections.



Puncturevine, also known as goathead, is most common in eastern Colorado

up to 6,500

feet. It grows in pastures, cultivated fields, and waste places. The

burs may injure

livestock and are the bane of bicyclists.





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<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">

<html>

<tt>Puncturevine (Tribulus terrestris)</tt>

<p><tt>Puncturevine is a member of the Caltrop family and is an introduced

annual which</tt>

<br><tt>reproduces by seeds. It is a prostrate, matforming plant with trailing

stems, each 1 to 6</tt>

<br><tt>feet long and hairy. The leaves are opposite, pinnate, one to two

inches long with four to</tt>

<br><tt>eight pairs of leaflets. The yellow flowers are 1/4 to 1/2 inches

wide with five petals. The</tt>

<br><tt>fruit is a hard, spiny bud which at maturity breaks into five tack-like

sections.</tt>

<p><tt>Puncturevine, also known as goathead, is most common in eastern

Colorado up to 6,500</tt>

<br><tt>feet. It grows in pastures, cultivated fields, and waste places.

The burs may injure</tt>

<br><tt>livestock and are the bane of bicyclists.</tt>

<br>&nbsp;

<br>&nbsp;</html>





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Subject: OT: webpage translator

From: herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle)

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:13:52 GMT

--------

I just got turned on to this site from Alta Vista, and it is great. Sometimes I

land on a French or Spanish website and wish I could read it, but this

translator program works well:



http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi%20bin/translate



English, Spanish, French, German, Portughese are covered either "to" or "from".

Lots of other features, including adding translations to your site. Check it.



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Subject: dog with skin problem

From: "annette" <melass99@YAHOO.COM>

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:49:45 -0500

--------

I was told it was an allergy. she chews on herself till there is no hair

left. it is so bad she has rubbed the enamel off her front teeth and they

are gone. we tried steroid therapy, pills and shots and it seen to help for

a while. I stopped using it, I didn't want to keep her on drugs the rest of

her life. I also tried Benidrill. I've tried putting oil (animal and

vegetable), vitamin I, and raw egg in her food. I've tried putting Vaseline,

olive oil, and an vitamin A and D ointment on her skin. she's an out side

dog so when she gets a bath I use mild baby shampoo. her dry dog food does

not contain soy. she's getting old and looking old before her time. if you

have any suggestion on something I may not have tried. I'd like to know









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Subject: Re: dog with skin problem

From: lyz <Chandralyn@angelfire.com>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:49:15 GMT

--------

This is usually caused by a flea allergy. My dog had this problem as well. Keep

her as flea free as possible (control etc works well). My vet gave my dog some

little pills, I think predisone(sp?). She had to take one every day all her

life. Make sure her dog house is flea free as well. You may want to see about

adding a clove or two of crushed fresh garlic in her food (if she'll eat it, it

will help control fleas). Use a conditioning dog shampoo, that helped my sheba.

Try a wet dog food once a week or so, to get oils into her body. That's really

all you can do. Also try getting her some chew treats, whenever you catch her

chewing on herself, just distract her with the proper thing to chew on (it can

get to be a habit, chewing on themselves). Use positive reinforcement with her,

praise her when she chews the right thing, but don't acknowledge it when she's

chewing herself, just direct her attention elsewhere. Keep a number of fresh and

different chew things around, so she won't get bored. Hope she feels beeter

soon.

Chandralyn







annette wrote:



> I was told it was an allergy. she chews on herself till there is no hair

> left. it is so bad she has rubbed the enamel off her front teeth and they

> are gone. we tried steroid therapy, pills and shots and it seen to help for

> a while. I stopped using it, I didn't want to keep her on drugs the rest of

> her life. I also tried Benidrill. I've tried putting oil (animal and

> vegetable), vitamin I, and raw egg in her food. I've tried putting Vaseline,

> olive oil, and an vitamin A and D ointment on her skin. she's an out side

> dog so when she gets a bath I use mild baby shampoo. her dry dog food does

> not contain soy. she's getting old and looking old before her time. if you

> have any suggestion on something I may not have tried. I'd like to know



>







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To: annette <melass99@YAHOO.COM>

Subject: Re: dog with skin problem

From: Deborah Sais <deborah@swpc.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:10:15 -0700

--------

Dear Annette,

Try giving your dog MSM. I buy it from the feed

store for about $25.00 a pound of the stuff. I

have found that it will clear up several skin

conditions in dogs. An appropriate dose would be a

Tablespoon full mixed with that egg you give your

dog. Twice per day for as long as it provides

relief. Works wonders for my animals.

Love Always, Deborah Sais



annette wrote:

> 

> I was told it was an allergy. she chews on herself till there is no hair

> left. it is so bad she has rubbed the enamel off her front teeth and they

> are gone. we tried steroid therapy, pills and shots and it seen to help for

> a while. I stopped using it, I didn't want to keep her on drugs the rest of

> her life. I also tried Benidrill. I've tried putting oil (animal and

> vegetable), vitamin I, and raw egg in her food. I've tried putting Vaseline,

> olive oil, and an vitamin A and D ointment on her skin. she's an out side

> dog so when she gets a bath I use mild baby shampoo. her dry dog food does

> not contain soy. she's getting old and looking old before her time. if you

> have any suggestion on something I may not have tried. I'd like to know





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Subject: Re: dog with skin problem

From: Don <harouffd@top.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:37:25 -0600

--------

"annette" <melass99@YAHOO.COM> wrote:



>I was told it was an allergy. she chews on herself till there is no hair

>left. it is so bad she has rubbed the enamel off her front teeth and they

>are gone. we tried steroid therapy, pills and shots and it seen to help for

>a while. I stopped using it, I didn't want to keep her on drugs the rest of

>her life. I also tried Benidrill. I've tried putting oil (animal and

>vegetable), vitamin I, and raw egg in her food. I've tried putting Vaseline,

>olive oil, and an vitamin A and D ointment on her skin. she's an out side

>dog so when she gets a bath I use mild baby shampoo. her dry dog food does

>not contain soy. she's getting old and looking old before her time. if you

>have any suggestion on something I may not have tried. I'd like to know

>

Neem oil is supposed to be a very good for the skin as well as having

some antiseptic properties. The can be used as an insect repellant

also. It smells like rotten onions. It is not harmful if the dog licks

it, people in India sometimes eat the leaves.



Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.hmg-eo.com/





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Subject: Need help finding info on Maitake

From: "Shallah" <s.h.a.l.l.a.h.SPAMMENOT@earthlink.net>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:53:01 GMT

--------

Could someone please refer me to a good website and/or books on Maitake and

in particular using it as a complimentary cancer treatment?  My father has

lung cancer and is undergoing chemotherapy and it is knocking out his immune

system which is NOT GOOD





I am also open to learning more of other good herbs that can be used as

complimentary cancer treatments. My Dad is also getting accupuncture and I

would like to get good information for him, his accupuncturist & his cancer

doctor to evaluate.



I would also appreciate the link to this newsgroups faq. I used to have the

url to the site but lost my bookmarks.



Thanks in advance for any help!



Shallah



Donate food for Free: http://www.thehungersite.com











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Subject: A Honey of a question

From: mouser <gmouser@iamnow.net>

Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 17:21:59 -0500

--------

A guy I work with questioned me about the different types of honey. He

talked about Boiled, Unboiled, Comb, and Heated.

His wife has allergies and is is looking for the pollen in the

non-boiled honey from local producers.



Any help?



mouser







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Subject: Re: A Honey of a question

From: "Debra Carter" <didic1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:16:15 -0800

--------



mouser <gmouser@iamnow.net> wrote in message

news:38C82406.18311FDA@iamnow.net...

> A guy I work with questioned me about the different types of honey. He

> talked about Boiled, Unboiled, Comb, and Heated.

> His wife has allergies and is is looking for the pollen in the

> non-boiled honey from local producers.

>

> Any help?

>

> mouser

> Tell him to look for raw honey from a local producer..as close to home as

possible so as to get the effects of the predominant pollens in the area. I

buy raw honey with the comb in it.

Didi









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Subject: Re: A Honey of a question

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@nospambluegrass.net>

Date: 12 Mar 2000 11:32:18 GMT

--------

When you buy raw honey with the comb in it, you eat the comb with the honey.



(Remove "nospam" from email address)







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Subject: Re: A Honey of a question

From: mmankows_nospam@bellatlantic.net (Marcin Mankowski)

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:13:27 GMT

--------

On 12 Mar 2000 11:32:18 GMT, "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@nospambluegrass.net>

wrote:



>When you buy raw honey with the comb in it, you eat the comb with the honey.

>



Be careful. The bee wax can wreck havoc with your digestive system.

But you can chew it like a chewing gum :)





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Subject: Re: A Honey of a question

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:16:25 -0500

--------

And, I might add, if the bees have been actively gathering pollen as wellas

nectar, you will find some of the cells packed with pollen- they look yello

or orange. It will also be in the honey as a trace amount, but it's really

packed into the pollen cells and you can eat it like that or I guess you

could dig it out.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

Thomas Mueller <tmueller@nospambluegrass.net> wrote in message

news:952860738.211247@news.bluegrass.net...

> When you buy raw honey with the comb in it, you eat the comb with the

honey.

>

> (Remove "nospam" from email address)

>









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Subject: Re: A Honey of a question

From: mouser <gmouser@iamnow.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:49:29 -0500

--------

How is the honey separated from the comb?  Heating? At who temp is the pollen

destroyed?



mouser



LWakefield wrote:



> And, I might add, if the bees have been actively gathering pollen as wellas

> nectar, you will find some of the cells packed with pollen- they look yello

> or orange. It will also be in the honey as a trace amount, but it's really

> packed into the pollen cells and you can eat it like that or I guess you

> could dig it out.

>

> --

> L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

> to stay inside the lines when parking.

> Thomas Mueller <tmueller@nospambluegrass.net> wrote in message

> news:952860738.211247@news.bluegrass.net...

> > When you buy raw honey with the comb in it, you eat the comb with the

> honey.

> >

> > (Remove "nospam" from email address)

> >











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Subject: Re: A Honey of a question

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:51:49 -0500

--------

Usually it is spun out centrifugally after the tops are sliced off the

combs. That way the comb can be given back to the bees for refilling. This

is called 'extraction', and it gets some of the pollen. It is possible to

melt down the whole thing, but as you imply, some heat sensitive components

could be altered.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--

mouser <gmouser@iamnow.net> wrote in message

news:38D156E7.90DC50F1@iamnow.net...

> How is the honey separated from the comb?  Heating? At who temp is the

pollen

> destroyed?

>

> mouser

>

> LWakefield wrote:

>

> > And, I might add, if the bees have been actively gathering pollen as

wellas

> > nectar, you will find some of the cells packed with pollen- they look

yello

> > or orange. It will also be in the honey as a trace amount, but it's

really

> > packed into the pollen cells and you can eat it like that or I guess you

> > could dig it out.

> >

> > --

> > L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that

refuses

> > to stay inside the lines when parking.

> > Thomas Mueller <tmueller@nospambluegrass.net> wrote in message

> > news:952860738.211247@news.bluegrass.net...

> > > When you buy raw honey with the comb in it, you eat the comb with the

> > honey.

> > >

> > > (Remove "nospam" from email address)

> > >

>

>

>









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Subject: Side effects of Capsicum

From: "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:35:12 -0500

--------

I have tried an arthritis cream recently where the primary treatment

ingredient is capsicum.  The stuff is marvelous as a pain reliever, but it's

a pain producer too.  I apply it at bedtime, and have little or no pain in

the morning...until I get into the shower.  OMG, it's like having battery

acid poured on my foot where the cream was applied the night before.  The

burning was so intense one morning that I actually cried.



Is there a product that I can apply along with the arthritis cream that will

counteract the inevitable fire?  Or maybe something I can use the next

morning prior to getting into the shower?  Thank you for your assistance!

e.t.









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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:21:12 -0700

--------

"e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net> wrote:



>I have tried an arthritis cream recently where the primary treatment

>ingredient is capsicum.  The stuff is marvelous as a pain reliever, but it's

>a pain producer too.  I apply it at bedtime, and have little or no pain in

>the morning...until I get into the shower.  OMG, it's like having battery

>acid poured on my foot where the cream was applied the night before.  The

>burning was so intense one morning that I actually cried.

>

>Is there a product that I can apply along with the arthritis cream that will

>counteract the inevitable fire?  Or maybe something I can use the next

>morning prior to getting into the shower?  Thank you for your assistance!



Have you tried washing the area first (out of the shower) with

soap and warm water?  



Using less of the ointment or a weaker version of it?  







Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:44:14 -0500

--------

Oh yes.  Any water at all starts the burning.  Closest I came to relief was

aloe gel with benzocaine in it.  I wonder if mixing aloe into the cream

would stop the burning.  I will certainly try it.  The straight aloe gel

didn't cut it for the post use pain relief; didn't last long enough.



What would you suggest to "cut" the cream?  I don't want to prevent the

cream from soaking in though.  I've also investigated emu oil, also used for

arthritis relief, but I don't care for the implications and it's too

expensive.  Of course I realize just not using the cream would solve all the

problems, but it really works well on the internal pain.  Thanks, e.t.



"Tsu Dho Nimh" <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:2hfhcsslhqtbl8ur21cfttgae76smr8gkr@4ax.com...

| "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net> wrote:

|

| >I have tried an arthritis cream recently where the primary treatment

| >ingredient is capsicum.  The stuff is marvelous as a pain reliever, but

it's

| >a pain producer too.  I apply it at bedtime, and have little or no pain

in

| >the morning...until I get into the shower.  OMG, it's like having battery

| >acid poured on my foot where the cream was applied the night before.  The

| >burning was so intense one morning that I actually cried.

| >

| >Is there a product that I can apply along with the arthritis cream that

will

| >counteract the inevitable fire?  Or maybe something I can use the next

| >morning prior to getting into the shower?  Thank you for your assistance!

|

| Have you tried washing the area first (out of the shower) with

| soap and warm water?

|

| Using less of the ointment or a weaker version of it?

|

|

|

| Tsu Dho Nimh

|

| When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like

| politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or

| your kid and run for your life.









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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:21:15 -0700

--------

"e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net> wrote:



>Oh yes.  Any water at all starts the burning.  



  Try removing the cream with baby oil or a shaving gel/foam

stuff. 



>What would you suggest to "cut" the cream?  

  Any hand lotion - you might have to mix it in a plastic cup to

get it well-mixed.  I use "Dr Sloan's Linament", which is an

oil-based capsicum linament, and dilute it with light mineral oil

because it was too darned strong right out of the bottle. 



  Using a good moisturiser BEFORE you apply the capsicum cream

might also minimize the absorption and the pain.



  Or use half the amount and spread it over the same area as

before and see what happens.  





>cream from soaking in though.  I've also investigated emu oil, also used for

>arthritis relief, but I don't care for the implications and it's too

>expensive.  Of course I realize just not using the cream would solve all the

>problems, but it really works well on the internal pain. 

  "Dr. Sloan's Linament" ... $1.89 for a 4 OZ bottle  :)  and I

dilute it 50/50 so I get 8 Oz for <$2 







Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:51:48 -0500

--------

What is this Dr. Sloan's and where might I find it?  If I can't get

something figured out with the Arthricare cream, I may try that out!  Thanks

for the baby oil suggestion.  I'll try it in the morning.  e.t.









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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 08:35:34 -0700

--------

"e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net> wrote:



>What is this Dr. Sloan's and where might I find it? 

  Most drugstores ... it's a small clear bottle with RED liquid

in it.  Old-fashioned photo on the front. 







Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:22:44 -0500

--------

well.. I remember the first time I worked with chili peppers with my bare

hands- and the oil got on the skin and started burning- and I washed, but

then I put on some lotion. As the lotion sank into the skin, it carried the

pepper oil further in. I burned half the night. It was awful. My guess is

the capsaicin works because it is in the proper dose to be a

counterirritant. However, i think in order to work, it is probably already

'in'- that is, has penetrated the skin. Any emollient that penetrates I fear

will make matters worse. I'll be interested to hear the results from milk

tho (see messages following).



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:iiejcs4objmuj7og8h0endf49io3mpckuu@4ax.com...

> "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>

> >Oh yes.  Any water at all starts the burning.

>

>   Try removing the cream with baby oil or a shaving gel/foam

> stuff.

>

> >What would you suggest to "cut" the cream?

>   Any hand lotion - you might have to mix it in a plastic cup to

> get it well-mixed.  I use "Dr Sloan's Linament", which is an

> oil-based capsicum linament, and dilute it with light mineral oil

> because it was too darned strong right out of the bottle.

>

>   Using a good moisturiser BEFORE you apply the capsicum cream

> might also minimize the absorption and the pain.

>

>   Or use half the amount and spread it over the same area as

> before and see what happens.

>

>

> >cream from soaking in though.  I've also investigated emu oil, also used

for

> >arthritis relief, but I don't care for the implications and it's too

> >expensive.  Of course I realize just not using the cream would solve all

the

> >problems, but it really works well on the internal pain.

>   "Dr. Sloan's Linament" ... $1.89 for a 4 OZ bottle  :)  and I

> dilute it 50/50 so I get 8 Oz for <$2

>

>

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like

> politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or

> your kid and run for your life.









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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:06:03 -0500

--------

You're definitely right about lotions, etc.  The Solarcaine worked better as

an after the fact pseudo solution, but I had to try check out the options.

I do thank those who offered their advice.  I've used it "cut" and have so

far avoided the next day agony, but the reduced strength doesn't work as

well.  But...the weather is cooling and soggy here, so you'll probably get

your chance to hear about the milk results soon enough...sorry, but I'm not

brave enough to do it on purpose to try it out, though I did consider it (in

a moment of complete lunacy) out of immense curiosity!  LOL...though I hate

the thought of the impending cause of our little research endeavor, stand by

*wince*  e.t.



"LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net> wrote in message

news:38d133a5@news.mix-net.net...

| well.. I remember the first time I worked with chili peppers with my bare

| hands- and the oil got on the skin and started burning- and I washed, but

| then I put on some lotion. As the lotion sank into the skin, it carried

the

| pepper oil further in. I burned half the night. It was awful. My guess is

| the capsaicin works because it is in the proper dose to be a

| counterirritant. However, i think in order to work, it is probably already

| 'in'- that is, has penetrated the skin. Any emollient that penetrates I

fear

| will make matters worse. I'll be interested to hear the results from milk

| tho (see messages following).

|

| --

| L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that

refuses

| to stay inside the lines when parking.

| --

|

| Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:iiejcs4objmuj7og8h0endf49io3mpckuu@4ax.com...

| > "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net> wrote:

| >

| > >Oh yes.  Any water at all starts the burning.

| >

| >   Try removing the cream with baby oil or a shaving gel/foam

| > stuff.

| >

| > >What would you suggest to "cut" the cream?

| >   Any hand lotion - you might have to mix it in a plastic cup to

| > get it well-mixed.  I use "Dr Sloan's Linament", which is an

| > oil-based capsicum linament, and dilute it with light mineral oil

| > because it was too darned strong right out of the bottle.

| >

| >   Using a good moisturiser BEFORE you apply the capsicum cream

| > might also minimize the absorption and the pain.

| >

| >   Or use half the amount and spread it over the same area as

| > before and see what happens.

| >

| >

| > >cream from soaking in though.  I've also investigated emu oil, also

used

| for

| > >arthritis relief, but I don't care for the implications and it's too

| > >expensive.  Of course I realize just not using the cream would solve

all

| the

| > >problems, but it really works well on the internal pain.

| >   "Dr. Sloan's Linament" ... $1.89 for a 4 OZ bottle  :)  and I

| > dilute it 50/50 so I get 8 Oz for <$2

| >

| >

| >

| > Tsu Dho Nimh

| >

| > When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like

| > politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or

| > your kid and run for your life.

|

|









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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: neophytesg@aol.comNOSPAM (Shawn Gibbs)

Date: 28 Mar 2000 07:41:55 GMT

--------



Came in late on this thread but, for what it's worth, I use capsicum on an all

too frequent basis.  However, unlike the context of this NG and thread, I use

it specifically *for* its irritant effect.  I'm the security manager for the

largest nightclub in my region and use it in the form of oleocapsicum resin

(AKA pepper-spray).  Following its use I'm professionally and ethically bound

to render first aid as soon as it's possible for me to do so (reads "after

they're under arrest and in handcuffs").  The "accepted" treatment for exposure

is a 5-20 minute flushing with *cold* water.  However, having been minorly on

the receiving end of it on numerous occasions (the wind is not always

cooperative!) I can attest to the fact that this is still less than ideal. 

What I've found is that a mild astringent seems to dramatically speed the

process.  I keep a small bottle of ... don't laugh ... lemon juice in my office

specifically for this reason.  The absolutely last thing you want to do is

apply any kind of cream or lotion, or rub it in any way for that matter, as it

only works the particles of OC deeper into the skin.  In my case, it's usually

the hand and arm holding the spray can that bears the biggest brunt from

overspray.  So, I get a 5-gallon bucket, fill it with as cold of water as I can

tolerate, toss in 1-2 cups of lemon juice, and swish my hand and arm around in

it until the pain (and I do *so* empathize with what you're going through)

subsides.  If it's somewhere I can't effectively immerse, I start by flushing

with a 25% solution followed by lots of cold water.  It's not perfect but I've

found it to be more effective than straight water, and when this stuff's on you

every second counts!



Best Wishes,

Shawn









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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: Sue F <s.flockhart@ic.ac.uk>

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:13:21 +0100

--------

The reason lemon juice helps ease the pain of pepper spray is that as an acid it

neutralises the strong alkali of the pepper.  This was a tip given to me by a

friend who makes very hot curries with chilli peppers - if you want to cool down

any food made with too much hot chilli, you can add lemon or lime juice to

neutralise it.  It really works!  (I guess vinagar would too, but would not be as

tasty an option in a curry....)



Best wishes,

Sue







Shawn Gibbs wrote:



> Came in late on this thread but, for what it's worth, I use capsicum on an all

> too frequent basis.  However, unlike the context of this NG and thread, I use

> it specifically *for* its irritant effect.  I'm the security manager for the

> largest nightclub in my region and use it in the form of oleocapsicum resin

> (AKA pepper-spray).  Following its use I'm professionally and ethically bound

> to render first aid as soon as it's possible for me to do so (reads "after

> they're under arrest and in handcuffs").  The "accepted" treatment for exposure

> is a 5-20 minute flushing with *cold* water.  However, having been minorly on

> the receiving end of it on numerous occasions (the wind is not always

> cooperative!) I can attest to the fact that this is still less than ideal.

> What I've found is that a mild astringent seems to dramatically speed the

> process.  I keep a small bottle of ... don't laugh ... lemon juice in my office

> specifically for this reason.  The absolutely last thing you want to do is

> apply any kind of cream or lotion, or rub it in any way for that matter, as it

> only works the particles of OC deeper into the skin.  In my case, it's usually

> the hand and arm holding the spray can that bears the biggest brunt from

> overspray.  So, I get a 5-gallon bucket, fill it with as cold of water as I can

> tolerate, toss in 1-2 cups of lemon juice, and swish my hand and arm around in

> it until the pain (and I do *so* empathize with what you're going through)

> subsides.  If it's somewhere I can't effectively immerse, I start by flushing

> with a 25% solution followed by lots of cold water.  It's not perfect but I've

> found it to be more effective than straight water, and when this stuff's on you

> every second counts!

>

> Best Wishes,

> Shawn







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: tlmckay@my-deja.com

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:36:38 GMT

--------

Have you tried old-fashioned cold cream or a waterless skin cleaner

like Cetaphil to remove the arthritis cream before you get into the

shower?  I know that Cetaphil can get expensive if you use a lot of it

but there are generic cleansers that are cheaper and work as well.  K-

Mart and Wal-Mart each have a comparable product.  Seems if you could

get the arthritis cream off or diluted before you apply water, the

problem would be solved.  Good luck.

            Terri



In article <ijYx4.9591$AD2.45587@news3.atl>,

  "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I have tried an arthritis cream recently where the primary treatment

> ingredient is capsicum.  The stuff is marvelous as a pain reliever,

but it's

> a pain producer too.  I apply it at bedtime, and have little or no

pain in

> the morning...until I get into the shower.  OMG, it's like having

battery

> acid poured on my foot where the cream was applied the night before.

The

> burning was so intense one morning that I actually cried.

>

> Is there a product that I can apply along with the arthritis cream

that will

> counteract the inevitable fire?  Or maybe something I can use the next

> morning prior to getting into the shower?  Thank you for your

assistance!

> e.t.

>

>





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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:53:16 -0500

--------

Interesting...I use the cold cream to remove my eye makeup, and it does

leave an almost waterproof residue, doesn't it?  I'll give it a try Monday

morning!  LOL

Thanks!  e.t.









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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: "Wons" <wons@runnaway.com>

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:22:18 +0430

--------

One , and probably the best,  way to cool your mouth after eating chili or

hot peppers  is to drink milk. That removes or neutralizes the capsicum.

Try washing the area with milk and see if that works.

"e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

news:ijYx4.9591$AD2.45587@news3.atl...

> I have tried an arthritis cream recently where the primary treatment

> ingredient is capsicum.  The stuff is marvelous as a pain reliever, but

it's

> a pain producer too.  I apply it at bedtime, and have little or no pain in

> the morning...until I get into the shower.  OMG, it's like having battery

> acid poured on my foot where the cream was applied the night before.  The

> burning was so intense one morning that I actually cried.

>

> Is there a product that I can apply along with the arthritis cream that

will

> counteract the inevitable fire?  Or maybe something I can use the next

> morning prior to getting into the shower?  Thank you for your assistance!

> e.t.

>

>









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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:56:35 -0500

--------

Milk, eh?  Never once thought of that!  I'm a firm believer in a glass of

milk to accompany my cheese dip w/jalepenos !!!  I wonder if it would truly

absorb into the skin layers...*very* interesting!!!  LOL  I've never tried

it on the outside of me...they do say that milk baths are supposed to be

good for you!  I appreciate the suggestion!!!  e.t.









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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: "Sharon" <bereskos@home.com>

Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:08:50 GMT

--------

Milk works, I had a child that rubbed his eye with a hand he had touched

chili seeds with- all I had nearby was a glass of chocolate milk. I dipped a

paper towel in it, put it on the eyelid and he stopped crying almost

immediately

Sharon



"e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

news:3AEy4.11972$We4.242849@news4.atl...

Milk, eh?  Never once thought of that!  I'm a firm believer in a glass of

milk to accompany my cheese dip w/jalepenos !!!  I wonder if it would truly

absorb into the skin layers...*very* interesting!!!  LOL  I've never tried

it on the outside of me...they do say that milk baths are supposed to be

good for you!  I appreciate the suggestion!!!  e.t.













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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:22:45 -0500

--------

Milk does work, but it's effect is short lived.  I had to keep resaturating

a cotton pad and keep it applied constantly.  Sure beat the heck out of the

pain though!  Many, many thanks to all who shared their ideas.  I am

grateful for your time!  e.t.



"Sharon" <bereskos@home.com> wrote in message

news:6%AC4.56690$_d.2144568@news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com...

| Milk works, I had a child that rubbed his eye with a hand he had touched

| chili seeds with- all I had nearby was a glass of chocolate milk. I dipped

a

| paper towel in it, put it on the eyelid and he stopped crying almost

| immediately

| Sharon

|

| "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

| news:3AEy4.11972$We4.242849@news4.atl...

| Milk, eh?  Never once thought of that!  I'm a firm believer in a glass of

| milk to accompany my cheese dip w/jalepenos !!!  I wonder if it would

truly

| absorb into the skin layers...*very* interesting!!!  LOL  I've never tried

| it on the outside of me...they do say that milk baths are supposed to be

| good for you!  I appreciate the suggestion!!!  e.t.

|

|

|

|









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Subject: Side effects of Capsicum

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2000 12:50:36 

--------





	 ead> From: "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net>



 ead> Milk, eh?  Never once thought of that!  I'm a firm believer

 ead> in a glass of milk to accompany my cheese dip w/jalepenos

 ead> !!!  I wonder if it would truly absorb into the skin layers...

 ead> *very* interesting!!!  LOL I've never tried it on the outside

 ead> of me...they do say that milk baths are supposed to be good

 ead> for you!  I appreciate the suggestion!



And, we use sour cream for cooling the effects of 'hot'...  :)



cheers,

wlsakowski



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Subject: Re: Side effects of Capsicum

From: "AltNature Online Herbal" <nature@edge.net>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:38:12 -0600

--------

.  The

>burning was so intense one morning that I actually cried.



Know what you mean.... I found it wasn't as strong if I spread on a thin

layer of lotion first. Something I have not tried on skin but works in the

mouth is to drink whole milk, maybe you could rub some on your skin before

your shower.

Karen Shelton

Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

http://www.altnature.com

"Photographs and Remedies"











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Subject: Re: Herbs and horses

From: "Selene" <tobalina@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:52:02 -0800

--------

While you're at it, I need help treating my cat for tapeworms. It seems to

be a pretty advanced case of tapeworms. The fleas are finally now under

control so tapeworm reiinfestation will not be a problem.



Rockenb7a <rockenb7a@aol.comnospam> wrote in message

news:20000227170500.14756.00000964@ng-fd1.aol.com...

> Just signed in and was wondering if anyone here has experience treating

worms

> in horses with Chinaberry?  I'm also REAL interested in holisyic treatment

for

> my horses so any input as to where else I might find this type of info

would be

> greatly appreciated.

>

> Kati









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Subject: Re: Herbs and horses

From: snowshoe@xyz.net (Jan Flora)

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:40:48 -0900

--------

Hey Kati:



The most effective wormer for horses in ivermectin. Don't fool around

with your horse's health, looking for herbal ways to worm them. You

can KILL your horses by *NOT* worming them effectively! (I've done 

necropsies on horses that were never wormed. It's really creepy, finding

all of those worms in their guts, lungs and everywhere else...  <ick>)



If you haven't been worming your horses regularly, either get the vet to come

out, or bring fecal samples from each horse to the vet, to see how bad a worm

load each horse is carrying. If you haven't wormed for a long time, you can kill

a horse by worming it. (To take a fecal sample, put a fresh road apple from each

horse in a baggie and label it with the horse's name. Give the baggies to

the vet,

so she can check them under a microscope, for worm eggs.)



If you worm a horse with a big parasite load, the horse can colic and die.

Let your DVM do it properly. Colic is an ugly, painful death.



To the lady with the cat, take the kitty to the vet. If you try to dump a 

big load of tapeworms at home, your darling kitty may not survive it.

Take the kitty to your DVM.



As much as I love herbal treatments, there is a time and a place for

traditionally-trained medical doctors. Ya'll seem to be letting things get

to a critical point, because you don't want to take your animals to

mainstream doctors. Get over it. If you're going to do herbal stuff,

you need to learn when to visit mainstream Docs and when to do herbs.



Both of the women who posted, asking questions about their pets, better

hope that they never get a life-threatening disorder, because they won't

go to an MD in time. They also won't go to a naturopath in time. If you let

your pets get to the point of life-threatening parasite infestations, what 

do you do with your own health??? If they get cancer, will they try to take

herbs and chant, hoping it'll go away? I sure hope not...



   Jan



PS: I'm not one to call the DVM quickly. I'm giving Pen G Procaine to one

horse, and LA200 to one cow and one calf right now, because they need

it. But when we need a vet, we call her out. I live on a beef cattle ranch. 

We are able to do most of our own vet work, but there are times when 

you just bite the bullet, get your checkbook out and call the DVM.





In article <8a9roa$g9d$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, "Selene"

<tobalina@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



>While you're at it, I need help treating my cat for tapeworms. It seems to

>be a pretty advanced case of tapeworms. The fleas are finally now under

>control so tapeworm reiinfestation will not be a problem.

>

>Rockenb7a <rockenb7a@aol.comnospam> wrote in message

>news:20000227170500.14756.00000964@ng-fd1.aol.com...

>> Just signed in and was wondering if anyone here has experience treating

>worms

>> in horses with Chinaberry?  I'm also REAL interested in holisyic treatment

>for

>> my horses so any input as to where else I might find this type of info

>would be

>> greatly appreciated.

>>

>> Kati





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Subject: Re: Herbs and horses

From: rockenb7a@aol.comnospam (Rockenb7a)

Date: 12 Mar 2000 13:58:42 GMT

--------

Appreciate the input, but I do want to clear a couple of things up.  I do

regularly worm my horses and they are on a daily Strongid C program.  I've been

in the business for 30 + years and I do know what I'm doing.  I don't call the

vet very often because I have years of experience under my belt.  I did not

appreciate the comment on how I would not call the vet until it was too late. 

You have no informtaion to base that on.  Thank you for your time.  



Kati





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and horses

From: snowshoe@xyz.net (Jan Flora)

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:16:06 -0900

--------

In article <20000312085842.21810.00000318@ng-co1.aol.com>,

rockenb7a@aol.comnospam (Rockenb7a) wrote:



>Appreciate the input, but I do want to clear a couple of things up.  I do

>regularly worm my horses and they are on a daily Strongid C program.  I've been

>in the business for 30 + years and I do know what I'm doing.  I don't call the

>vet very often because I have years of experience under my belt.  I did not

>appreciate the comment on how I would not call the vet until it was too late. 

>You have no informtaion to base that on.  Thank you for your time.  

>

>Kati



No insult was meant, so please don't take offense.  I've seen too many

cases where folks wait until it's too late, before they call the vet. I'm

glad to hear that you aren't in that group of animal owners!



Do you like the Strongid C?  We've never tried it. Would appreciate

any feedback you're willing to offer. 



   Jan





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and horses

From: Bentley <bentl3y@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:55:51 GMT

--------

In article <8a9roa$g9d$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,

  "Selene" <tobalina@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> While you're at it, I need help treating my cat for tapeworms. It

seems to

> be a pretty advanced case of tapeworms. The fleas are finally now

under

> control so tapeworm reiinfestation will not be a problem.

>

I'd try male-fern root for that. I've probably used it a hundred times

or more by now (most recently only a couple weeks ago, for a stray

tomcat who now calls my kitchen home)  , and it's never let me down

yet. Powder it and add it to the cat's food. May cause diarrhea.



Bentley





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Growth hormome

From: "mnikol" <mnikol@otenet.gr>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:29:40 +0200

--------

What herbs can triger growth hormone release in humans?



Thanks



Mike Nichols











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Subject: Thinning in the elderly

From: "mnikol" <mnikol@otenet.gr>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:48:59 +0200

--------

How can thinning (wasting) in the elderly be reversed?



Thnaks



Mike Nichols









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Subject: Re: Thinning in the elderly

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 06:31:02 -0700

--------

"mnikol" <mnikol@otenet.gr> wrote:



>How can thinning (wasting) in the elderly be reversed?



Depends on the cause, and it is usually multiple factors:



1. Lack of exercise leading to loss of muscle mass.

  Definitely.  Daily moderate exercise and bodybuilding routines

can build muscle mass and increase appetite. 



2. Loss of sense of taste ... partially helped by magnesium

supplement, and spicier foods to make up for impaired senses. 



3. Depression leading to loss of appetite - antidepressants,

exercise



4. Senility and forgetfulness ... literally forgetting to eat.

Needs someone around to ensure they eat the right stuff at the

right intervals, and evencook for them, 





Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Thinning in the elderly

From: Gordon Held <gheld@thegrid.net>

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:36:35 -0800

--------





Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> 

> "mnikol" <mnikol@otenet.gr> wrote:

> 

> >How can thinning (wasting) in the elderly be reversed?

> 

> Depends on the cause, and it is usually multiple factors:

> 

> 1. Lack of exercise leading to loss of muscle mass.

>   Definitely.  Daily moderate exercise and bodybuilding routines

> can build muscle mass and increase appetite.

> 

> 2. Loss of sense of taste ... partially helped by magnesium

> supplement, and spicier foods to make up for impaired senses.

> 

> 3. Depression leading to loss of appetite - antidepressants,

> exercise

> 

> 4. Senility and forgetfulness ... literally forgetting to eat.

> Needs someone around to ensure they eat the right stuff at the

> right intervals, and evencook for them,



However, have you ever noticed that virtually all people who get into

their 90's or older are very thin.  The calorie restriction types

believe that there's an inverse relationship between high caloric intake

and longevity.  Dr. Roy Woolford at UCLA promulgated this theory some

years ago and it has caught on with many.



Gordon Held





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Subject: Re: Thinning in the elderly

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 13 Mar 2000 10:20:48 GMT

--------

My first thought on reversing thinning/wasting in the elderly is digestive

weakness.  Some bitter herbs, such as wormwood, may be taken to stimulate

digestion.  There are other bitter herbs, such as gentian root, which I have no

experience with.  I have lost a lot of weight over the years, long before old

age, due to poor appetite and upper abdominal tightness, and my weight was below

normal even before that.  Call it built-in weight control.  I find nuts

essential for their natural fat content, without which I would have a continued

calorie deficit.



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Subject: Re: Thinning in the elderly

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:22:56 GMT

--------

Not strictly herbal suggestion but you may have noticed there has been a

spate of "age extending" books.  I have no way of knowing whether some or

all of these are bogus but having read the one by Dr Atkins, he has tips

including:



    - weight bearing exercise, improves bone density and muscles.

    - good, whole food, *low* carbohydrate, minimise processed foods and

trans-fats.

    - vitamin and mineral supplements (he must pop 100 pills a day).

    - supplementing hormone precursors such as DHEA if serum levels are low.

    - he mentions things like ginkgo biloba (there had to be a herbal link

somewhere) but with reference to keeping the mind sharp.  Oh yes and there

were references to Omega 3 and 6 fats.



If you are interested get the book and make up your own mind.



From my own experience (6 weeks lying on my back in hospital) I lost 15 kg

and my muscles wasted.   This was purely from inactivity, I wasn't diseased

(a tad traumatized).  It took over 6 months x 3 nights a week in the gym to

recover what I had lost.



Of course if you choose to follow this advice and the old codger pops a hip

or has a heart attack, don't say I didn't warn you to do this under medical

supervision.



"If you sit around all day and just eat crap, it won't do you any good"

    - sos, 2000AD



--

sos

O@H survival guide http://metrak.com/OaH





"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net> wrote in message

news:952942848.288306@news.bluegrass.net...

> My first thought on reversing thinning/wasting in the elderly is digestive

> weakness.  Some bitter herbs, such as wormwood, may be taken to stimulate

> digestion.  There are other bitter herbs, such as gentian root, which I

have no

> experience with.  I have lost a lot of weight over the years, long before

old

> age, due to poor appetite and upper abdominal tightness, and my weight was

below

> normal even before that.  Call it built-in weight control.  I find nuts

> essential for their natural fat content, without which I would have a

continued

> calorie deficit.











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Subject: ginko biloba

From: "Anthony" <anthony@heverin.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:47:00 -0000

--------

Hi,

A while ago I took this a few times for tinnitus, but the orning afterwards

I would awake feeling shattered, as if I hadn't slept. I have lately been

told of its great mental enhancment properties and so am interested in it,

naturally enough. I might mention that I take medication for epilepsy which

increases levels of the neurotransmitter GABA, by acting as an enzyme

inhibitor. Could this explain why it made me tired, or is this normal? I'd

basically like advice as to whether the ginko biloba should be mixed with

any drugs.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginko biloba

From: baird@gate.net (Baird Stafford)

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:57:36 -0500

--------

Anthony <anthony@heverin.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:



<snip>



> I might mention that I take medication for epilepsy which increases levels

> of the neurotransmitter GABA, by acting as an enzyme inhibitor. Could this

> explain why it made me tired, or is this normal? I'd basically like advice

> as to whether the ginko biloba should be mixed with any drugs.



My PDR FOR HERBAL MEDICINES does not mention a possible interaction with

drugs taken to control siezures - only with antithrombotic drugs

(blood-thinners and the like) because the active agent in Gingko biloba

serves also to inhibit the platelet-activating factor.



The only other contraindication listed is a warning for persons who are

"hypersensitive to Gingko biloba preparations."  Given the fact that it

made you feel other than normal, I'd personally suggest consultation

with a physician before resuming whatever dosage you were taking at

first.



Blessed be,

Baird







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Subject: Flying Ointment

From: fredsaddress@onyxnet.co.uk (fred)

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:19:47 GMT

--------

I am looking for pictures, prints and paintings, showing preparation

and application of witches flying ointment. Can anyone provide links

or email me pics. Thank you.





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 09 Mar 2000 21:58:39 GMT

--------

>I am looking for pictures, prints and paintings, showing preparation

>and application of witches flying ointment. Can anyone provide links

>or email me pics. Thank you.

>



You might want to post this request to alt.witchcraft,alt.pagan and alt.wiccan

for better results.....



Peace,

~*Jo*~





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: "Sally Pointer" <Sally.Pointer@tesco.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:37:55 -0000

--------

modern pictures or what? I know there were a couple of fanciful victorian

ones of an imagined 'Sabbat' but I'm sure you know that most witches are far

more enlightened these days. I may be able to dig some references out for

you but I'm curious as to your reasons for looking. E-mail me with the

thread of your research and I will see what I can come up with for you.

Sally

fred <fredsaddress@onyxnet.co.uk> wrote in message

news:38c96681.3854416@news...

> I am looking for pictures, prints and paintings, showing preparation

> and application of witches flying ointment. Can anyone provide links

> or email me pics. Thank you.









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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: "Wolf Kestris Rowanwood" <wolffe@onslowonline.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:50:26 -0500

--------

I've never seen any pictures, but many herb books make a reference to this,

and the fact that it really doesn't work, except as a psychological  effect,

due to some of the herbs used.



-Wolf

(Druid personally, Hubby is Wiccan)





Sally Pointer wrote in message <8abiqv$3rt$1@barcode.tesco.net>...

>modern pictures or what? I know there were a couple of fanciful victorian

>ones of an imagined 'Sabbat' but I'm sure you know that most witches are

far

>more enlightened these days. I may be able to dig some references out for

>you but I'm curious as to your reasons for looking. E-mail me with the

>thread of your research and I will see what I can come up with for you.

>Sally

>fred <fredsaddress@onyxnet.co.uk> wrote in message

>news:38c96681.3854416@news...

>> I am looking for pictures, prints and paintings, showing preparation

>> and application of witches flying ointment. Can anyone provide links

>> or email me pics. Thank you.

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 11 Mar 2000 01:09:01 GMT

--------

>I've never seen any pictures, but many herb books make a reference to this,

>and the fact that it really doesn't work, except as a psychological  effect,

>due to some of the herbs us



exactly, the herbs used are hallucinagins.

They "flight" aspect may be just an attempt to explain the "shift of

consciencenous" that occurs with it's consumption and or absorbtion through the

skin.



Jason





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 12 Mar 2000 05:38:17 GMT

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>

>Either they did apply it to the vagina or they did not. A historian

>might answer this question. I have just read on the internet that they

>did.So I respect that you think maybe they did not.

>



Just so ya know..you are now officially being told that you are OFF TOPIC in

this forum. You may have noticed thatI directed the original poster to

alt.witchcraft, alt.wicca and/or alt. magick etc.. (or even alt.pshm)

 I suggest you bith go there as well as this is now beyond the realm or scope

of this newsgroup. Thanks. :-)



~*Jo*~ 





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: "Wolf Kestris Rowanwood" <wolffe@onslowonline.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:17:21 -0500

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Wait a minute... alt. FOLKLORE.herbs.



Folklore.. hmmm... bits of history that aren't true, stories and such...

hmm.



Besides that flying ointment WAS about herbs. It WAS MADE from HERBS and is

a bit of a folklore.



So No, I don't think they were THAT much off topic.



-Wolf



Jo wrote in message <20000312003817.03346.00001149@ng-cv1.aol.com>...

>>

>>Either they did apply it to the vagina or they did not. A historian

>>might answer this question. I have just read on the internet that they

>>did.So I respect that you think maybe they did not.

>>

>

>Just so ya know..you are now officially being told that you are OFF TOPIC

in

>this forum. You may have noticed thatI directed the original poster to

>alt.witchcraft, alt.wicca and/or alt. magick etc.. (or even alt.pshm)

> I suggest you bith go there as well as this is now beyond the realm or

scope

>of this newsgroup. Thanks. :-)

>

>~*Jo*~









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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:32:56 +0200

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"Wolf Kestris Rowanwood" <wolffe@onslowonline.net> wrote:



>Wait a minute... alt. FOLKLORE.herbs.

>

>Folklore.. hmmm... bits of history that aren't true, stories and such...

>hmm.

>

>Besides that flying ointment WAS about herbs. It WAS MADE from HERBS and is

>a bit of a folklore.

>

>So No, I don't think they were THAT much off topic.



This group is under alt.folklore.* because it wasn't welcome under the sci.*

hierarchy, back in 1992 or so.



It is really about herbal healing, and has been so from the start.



Witch ointment queries do get better replies in the pagan and witch newsgroups.



Cheers

Henriette



--

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: Michele Carpenter <dolphins@infoave.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:22:02 -0500

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Greetings!  Witches' Flying ointment is best applied using a Q-tip.  If a fast

rise is desired then apply it over a vein or artery.  If a slow rise is desired,

then apply it on a muscle.  The larger the muscle, the slower the rise but the

longer the duration of the "trip."  The first time this is used, apply a small

amount.  If nothing is felt, wait a week and try again with a slightly larger

amount.  Repeat 4 times, then pause for 3 weeks.  Start again at a higher level

than you stopped with on the 4th occasion.  Careful monitoring by someone who is

not using will insure the safety of the one(s) who is trying it.  Lying down or

sitting in a recliner is the best way to do this.  Driving, and for some movement

should be avoided.  If the user becomes sick or complains of chest pains, do not

ever allow that person to use it again.  It can, if used wrong or in the presence

of certain heart conditions, be deadly.



Bright Blessings,

Lady Damorea



Jo wrote:



> >

> >Either they did apply it to the vagina or they did not. A historian

> >might answer this question. I have just read on the internet that they

> >did.So I respect that you think maybe they did not.

> >

>

> Just so ya know..you are now officially being told that you are OFF TOPIC in

> this forum. You may have noticed thatI directed the original poster to

> alt.witchcraft, alt.wicca and/or alt. magick etc.. (or even alt.pshm)

>  I suggest you bith go there as well as this is now beyond the realm or scope

> of this newsgroup. Thanks. :-)

>

> ~*Jo*~







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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: fredsaddress@onyxnet.co.uk (fred)

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:24:29 GMT

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Interesting advice. What is a Q tip? What recipe do you use?





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 14 Mar 2000 10:56:07 GMT

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>

Greetings!  Witches' Flying ointment is best applied using a Q-tip.  If a fast

rise is desired then apply it over a vein or artery.  If a slow rise is desired,

then apply it on a muscle.  The larger the muscle, the slower the rise but the

longer the duration of the "trip."  The first time this is used, apply a small

amount.  If nothing is felt, wait a week and try again with a slightly larger

amount.  Repeat 4 times, then pause for 3 weeks.  Start again at a higher level

than you stopped with on the 4th occasion.  Careful monitoring by someone who is

not using will insure the safety of the one(s) who is trying it.  Lying down or

sitting in a recliner is the best way to do this.  Driving, and for some movement

should be avoided.  If the user becomes sick or complains of chest pains, do not

ever allow that person to use it again.  It can, if used wrong or in the presence

of certain heart conditions, be deadly.

>



I am rather confused here.  What kind of rise do you get, considering that you

can't literally fly on your own power?



(Remove "nospam" from email address)







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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 12 Mar 2000 23:19:16 GMT

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>Just so ya know..you are now officially being told that you are OFF TOPIC in

>this forum. You may have noticed thatI directed the original poster to

>alt.witchcraft, alt.wicca and/or alt. magick etc.. (or even alt.pshm)

> I suggest you bith go there as well as this is now beyond the realm or scope

>of this newsgroup. Thanks. :-)

>

>~*Jo*~ 



Wow, Jo what's up with you?  Sorry but I think that the use of herbs *does* fit

in this ng and sorry but your explanation about this group being only for

*medical* reasons is wrong.  This group has covered every aspect of herbalism

from folklore and mythology to the modern trend of "herbs for health". 

Besides, nobody annoited you moderator of this ng.  I can't speak about anybody

else in this thread but as for me, I do know that I have not "debated" the

figure of the "witch" but have simply responded to posts in which the herbs

used by them predominate.  I know about alt.witch and the like so if I wanted

to post there then I would so freely.  I answered a post on alt.folklore.herbs

because that IS the ng where this particuliar thread belongs.



Have a nice day.



Jason





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: "THOMAS CAMPION" <campsx3@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:40:53 GMT

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You didn't check out the FAQ first before you posted?

That will give you the scope of this newsgroup.

Sometimes names don't fit exactly, otherwise I'd expect

Wolf,etc., would know about the ointment.

The 'perception' of coming in being belligerent won't encourage people to

post replies.

Aarlene











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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 08:37:39 -0700

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"Wolf Kestris Rowanwood" <wolffe@onslowonline.net> wrote:



>From Rodales Illustrated Encyclopedia of Herbs, pg 1,



>That's the only WRITTEN proof I have found, that I can document. 



And as Rodales' was established some 200+ years after the

practice waned, they are hardly an authority on it.  



You would have to find a "primary source" ... something written

at the time, form soneone involved in the use of the stuff.  and

the Malleus Malificarum does not count. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: "Wolf Kestris Rowanwood" <wolffe@onslowonline.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:35:15 -0500

--------

I never said they were an authority, only that it was the ONLY written proof

that I have found.



-Wolf

Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message ...

>"Wolf Kestris Rowanwood" <wolffe@onslowonline.net> wrote:

>

>>From Rodales Illustrated Encyclopedia of Herbs, pg 1,

>

>>That's the only WRITTEN proof I have found, that I can document.

>

>And as Rodales' was established some 200+ years after the

>practice waned, they are hardly an authority on it.

>

>You would have to find a "primary source" ... something written

>at the time, form soneone involved in the use of the stuff.  and

>the Malleus Malificarum does not count.

>

>Tsu Dho Nimh

>

>When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like

>politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or

>your kid and run for your life.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker)

Date: 14 Mar 2000 13:12:23 GMT

--------



>>That's the only WRITTEN proof I have found, that I can document. 

>

>And as Rodales' was established some 200+ years after the

>practice waned, they are hardly an authority on it.  

>

>You would have to find a "primary source" ... something written

>at the time, form soneone involved in the use of the stuff.  and

>the Malleus Malificarum does not count. 

>



Since most of the people "involved" in these practices were illiterate (as was

most of the population, including the nobility) it's going to be real difficult

to find "something written at the time".













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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 14 Mar 2000 17:58:09 GMT

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>You would have to find a "primary source" ... something written

>at the time, form soneone involved in the use of the stuff.  and

>the Malleus Malificarum does not count. 

>

>Tsu Dho Nimh



Just *slightly* one sided,eh? lolol





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: fredsaddress@onyxnet.co.uk (fred)

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:28:08 GMT

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Well at least there is some discussion but no one has any suggestions

about web sites with pictures and / or recipes?

There is no discussion / reply at all in alt.wicca or

alt.religion.pagan. Either they don't know , don't care, or aren't

telling





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle)

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:43:26 GMT

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:28:08 GMT, fredsaddress@onyxnet.co.uk (fred) wrote:



>Well at least there is some discussion but no one has any suggestions

>about web sites with pictures and / or recipes?

>There is no discussion / reply at all in alt.wicca or

>alt.religion.pagan. Either they don't know , don't care, or aren't

>telling



Perhaps they are living up to the 'wiccan' part of the name because that means

wise. I know the recipe, but there's no way in hell I'd post it on the Intenet

for any person who want a hallucinogenic high to mess with. Do what I did -- it

was part of university research on ethnobotanical herb use. I've never used the

blend, and never will, but I have new respect for the pagan/wiccans that they

aren't posting it, ether.



         Anya  {{{*_*}}}

http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady

Please visit my alt.perfume webpages

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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:39:40 +0200

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herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle) wrote:

>Perhaps they are living up to the 'wiccan' part of the name because that means

>wise. I know the recipe, but there's no way in hell I'd post it on the Intenet

>for any person who want a hallucinogenic high to mess with. Do what I did -- it

>was part of university research on ethnobotanical herb use. I've never used the

>blend, and never will, but I have new respect for the pagan/wiccans that they

>aren't posting it, ether.



Oh, there is more than one recipe, but I'm not posting them either. 

As for pictures - I expect the people who use these salves these days are using

them as a part of their religion. I also expect that it is intensely private, a

matter between the person involved and the person supervising. Not something

that you photograph and put on the web.



Henriette



--

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: Rachel <rachelgraynzNOraSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:01:19 -0800

--------

I am amused and amazed by all the fuss!

Flying ointment works! The effects are due to the hallucinogenic

effects of the atropine alkaloids in herbs such as henbane,

mandrake, monkshood, nightshade, and various datura spp. There

are many recipes in use some of which can be found on the web

and in books. There are also many medieval and later pictorial

representations by artists such as Goya, Saur, Francken, Weiss,

Weindal.

My enquiry was entirely serious and I had hoped to get some

serious informed replies to further and expand some research I

am carrying out.

I didn't really expect to get any serious replies via the pagan

and wicca newsgroups because quite frankly most of their stuff

is completely bogus.

I had expected that this group would have some informed sources

on the herbs and the folklore but clearly I was wrong. I suppose

most of you people are Americans which may explain a lot!

(I don't know why this message appears to be sent by 'Rachel'.

This is the name that came up on the screen when I signed on

Webshack in London!)

Sorry to have troubled ya'll.

Bye

Fred





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: haele_d@my-deja.com

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:44:08 GMT

--------

In article <12a937c3.a15955b0@usw-ex0105-037.remarq.com>,

Rachel <rachelgraynzNOraSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:

> I am amused and amazed by all the fuss!

> Flying ointment works! The effects are due to the hallucinogenic

> effects of the atropine alkaloids in herbs such as henbane,

> mandrake, monkshood, nightshade, and various datura spp. There

> are many recipes in use some of which can be found on the web

> and in books. There are also many medieval and later pictorial

> representations by artists such as Goya, Saur, Francken, Weiss,

> Weindal.

> My enquiry was entirely serious and I had hoped to get some

> serious informed replies to further and expand some research I

> am carrying out.

> I didn't really expect to get any serious replies via the pagan

> and wicca newsgroups because quite frankly most of their stuff

> is completely bogus.

> I had expected that this group would have some informed sources

> on the herbs and the folklore but clearly I was wrong. I suppose

> most of you people are Americans which may explain a lot!

> (I don't know why this message appears to be sent by 'Rachel'.

> This is the name that came up on the screen when I signed on

> Webshack in London!)

> Sorry to have troubled ya'll.

> Bye

> Fred

>

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Network *

> The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet -

Free!

>

>



Well, I suppose you answered yourself, then.



Most of us won't pass out "recipes" that can put people in the

hospital, either in the homeopathic herbal or pagan/magick herbal

disciplanes without previously knowing that someone was looking for

some serious research.  Frankly, we'll dance around with commonly known

ancedotes and tell you to look it up more on your own, as if you were a

wishy-witch looking for something to be "naughty" with after watching

"The Craft" too many times - which, I'm sorry to say, is sort of what

this question sounded like initially.



You could have specified a little more - as in saying you were

"studying Germanic "Herblore" of the 17th century that pretained to

Witch Cults and Witch Hysteria" or something even remotely similar and

given out an e-mail drop box so that you could get some actual

*serious* answers from this and the Wicca/Pagan groups - up to

univeristy level lectures on Bio-chemical componants and reactions of

the various herb combinations and their historical significance, rather

than having people wonder as to your motivation for asking such a

question and giving you silly snippy answers.



No one who has taken the time and effort to learn, or may still be

learning a craft likes to think that they might be the ones giving

someone looking for a cheap thrill "that final push off the face of El

Capitan without a parachute..."



(FYI, El Capitan is a *huge* 500+ ft mountain rock face in Yosemite

Park, California that people parasail off of occasionally)



Yes, I have a two different recipes for "flying ointment" that I would

never use (one 'passed down' through the family)- both would probably

kill or disable me. They are much too dangerous for me to pass around

unless I am *absolutly* sure who is going to use them for what

purpose...and they both are similar enough to recipes I have seen in

commonly purchased books and on other web sites that can be easily

found, so I *wouldn't* have to...



Haele

Going back to trying to figure out *else* what to do with

the"Norman"(english and french) Lavender plants before they take over

the whole front yard *again*...

Already enough essential oil, "perfume", the dried herb,"pillows",soap,

bathsalts "fairy wands" tied in ribbons...Lavender whisk Brooms?





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Before you buy.





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:18:20 -0700

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haele_d@my-deja.com wrote:



>Haele

>Going back to trying to figure out *else* what to do with

>the"Norman"(english and french) Lavender plants before they take over

>the whole front yard *again*...

>Already enough essential oil, "perfume", the dried herb,"pillows",soap,

>bathsalts "fairy wands" tied in ribbons...Lavender whisk Brooms?



  I have heard that if you feed aromatic herbs to pigs or sheep 

for a week or so before slaughter that the meat is pre-flavoured.

What would lavendar lamb tastelike?  



  More practically, could you harvest and sell it? 







Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:15:53 -0700

--------

Rachel <rachelgraynzNOraSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:



>My enquiry was entirely serious and I had hoped to get some

>serious informed replies to further and expand some research I

>am carrying out.



  Anyone who is informed is usually VERY wary about giving

replies out over newsgroups when the question involves dangerous

herbs.  

  I have a decent collection of flying ointment recipes, form

various regions of the world, but the only persons who get copies

of them are people whose common sense I am comfortable with, not

any Jane Doe with a newsreader. 



>I didn't really expect to get any serious replies via the pagan

>and wicca newsgroups because quite frankly most of their stuff

>is completely bogus.

  It was the Brits who re-invented Wicca in the 1940s, so you

have them to blame for the bogosity.  



>I had expected that this group would have some informed sources

>on the herbs and the folklore but clearly I was wrong. I suppose

>most of you people are Americans which may explain a lot!

  Good grief ... now she's insulting the prople she wants the

information from.  Way to go!







Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net

Date: 15 Mar 2000 11:54:52 GMT

--------

>

I am amused and amazed by all the fuss!

Flying ointment works! The effects are due to the hallucinogenic

effects of the atropine alkaloids in herbs such as henbane,

mandrake, monkshood, nightshade, and various datura spp. There

are many recipes in use some of which can be found on the web

and in books. There are also many medieval and later pictorial

representations by artists such as Goya, Saur, Francken, Weiss,

Weindal.

>



John Lust's Herb Book has a section on herbal folklore, and I finally looked

there.  Jimson weed (Datura stramonium) is said to give a sensation of flying

and release inhibitions.  These herbs are toxic.  John Lust cautions that small

doses of monkshood can cause painful death in a few hours, and that monkshood

should not be used under any circumstances without medical direction.  I see no

objection to telling about the witches' flying ointments, as long as the toxic

nature of the herbs is noted.  I wouldn't want to try it at home.



People are able to see other (nonherbal) dangerous activities like auto racing,

motorcycle racing and boxing, and professional-wrestling maneuvers can be quite

dangerous if tried at home by untrained participants.  So I see no objection to

an item of historical interest such as witches' flying ointments.



Most of the people in this newsgroup were not there at its inception, and they

see "folklore" in the name, so they logically think herbal folklore is fair

game.  Much herbal folklore relates to medicinal effects, such as a flying

sensation.









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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: thebigwhoppy <eris@mailcity.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 01:11:33 GMT

--------

this reply dated Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:28:08 GMT, from

fredsaddress@onyxnet.co.uk (fred) may be monitored for customer

services purposes:

##Well at least there is some discussion but no one has any

suggestions

##about web sites with pictures and / or recipes?

##There is no discussion / reply at all in alt.wicca or

##alt.religion.pagan. Either they don't know , don't care, or aren't

##telling



Some of us know, we aren't telling.



As poster in arw (alt.religion.wicca.) and a lurker in

alt.traditional.witchcraft, this info request would be met with cries

of horror, because of its 'drug abuse' nature. and because they don't

know... alt.religion.shamanism, of which I am also a regular poster

would be a better forum for information. 



In the MAGICKAL FORMULARY by the late Herman Slater, (Magickal Childe

Publishing, now out of print, 4th ed.1990) there are two (2) recipes

for 'flying ointment' and one (1) for a flying incense. the recipes

for the ointments do not give instructions as to their use, not so

much that Herman didn't know, but rather to avoid the repercussions if

someone was severally harmed or killed themselves attempting to 'fly'.



Brajot



Daya-Li

I Survived the 20th Century...

The Lost Tribe of Israel dated  a lot.  Deal with it.

If at first you don't succeed, then sky diving is not for you









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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: "loki" <loki@inlink.com>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:18:32 -0600

--------

Try Scott Cunningham's "Encyclopedia of Magickal Herbs".



They know over in the pagan ng's but they aren't talking.  <laugh>  I saw

your post there as well.



Loki



"fred" <fredsaddress@onyxnet.co.uk>



> Well at least there is some discussion but no one has any suggestions

> about web sites with pictures and / or recipes?

> There is no discussion / reply at all in alt.wicca or

> alt.religion.pagan. Either they don't know , don't care, or aren't

> telling









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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:18:41 GMT

--------



>I know the recipe, but there's no way in hell I'd post it on the

Intenet (Rastapoodle)



"I believe I can fly I believe I can touch the sky I think about it

every night and day...."



- R.Kelly :-)



Don`t we all just love these mysterious stories and who hasn`t dreamt

of flying at least once in his life? Free like a bird in the sky :-)





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Before you buy.





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker)

Date: 14 Mar 2000 13:21:12 GMT

--------

>>I know the recipe, but there's no way in hell I'd post it on the

>Intenet (Rastapoodle)

>

>"I believe I can fly I believe I can touch the sky I think about it

>every night and day...."

>

>- R.Kelly :-)

>

>Don`t we all just love these mysterious stories and who hasn`t dreamt

>of flying at least once in his life? Free like a bird in the sky :-)



Hey, I fly every week - in an airplane, which I rent from the airport.  You

want to do the "bird in the sky" thing try skydiving.  Safer and healthier than

screwing around with poisonous herbs.



Use of the "flying ointment" is not for novices or amateurs.









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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: "loki" <loki@inlink.com>

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:43:59 -0600

--------

<crousoe@my-deja.com> wrote



> Safer? Healthier? HA! And it`s not FLYING.

>

> I mean taking off softly from the ground on own`s one, floating

> gently around, standing in the air. The way you fly when you dream -

> a romantic flight.

> Check out Douglas Adams` "so long and thanks for all the fish" (sp?)

> for the complete description.

> Speaking in his words (not in this context): to float in the air the

> way bricks don`t. (cannot remember the original quote exactly)

>

> Can you do this with flying ointments? Of course you can`t. Can you

> induce a trance feeling that you are? Maybe you can.

>

> Look at the number of posts in this thread. Why are so many people

> interested? This is about an old dream of mankind combined with

> mystery from the Middle Ages.



You are describing an out of body experience.  The original flying ointments

were meant to induce a trance state in which one could experience this or

perhaps a vision.



Thing is, you can do both without the use of any herbs at all if you know

what you're doing.



Loki











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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:53:08 GMT

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Like I said, take up paragliding.  Gravity can be a bitch though.



If you want some pics (definitely not herb related) check out

http://www.home.aone.net.au/sorenson/paragliding.html



--

sos

O@H survival guide http://metrak.com/OaH





<crousoe@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8alktr$qtd$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

>

> >Hey, I fly every week - in an airplane, which I rent from the airport.

> >You want to do the "bird in the sky" thing try skydiving. Safer and

> >healthier than

> >screwing around with poisonous herbs.

>

> Safer? Healthier? HA! And it`s not FLYING.

>

> I mean taking off softly from the ground on own`s one, floating

> gently around, standing in the air. The way you fly when you dream 

> a romantic flight.











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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 14 Mar 2000 17:56:50 GMT

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>Excuse me, I DO know about the ointment. but because of the danger in using

>the herbs, one of which is HIGHLY poisonous, I WILL NOT tell anything about

>how to make it.  



*Anyone* who has access to Cunningham's books has the recipe.....

No real secret recipe there...lolol



>I didn't read the faq, because MY ISP doesn't download FAQs of NGs. I

>went by the NAME, as obviously others do as well.

>



Lurk, baby..lurk.... :-) 





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Subject: Ringworm cure?

From: sasahmof5@aol.com (SASAHMof5)

Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:47:32 GMT

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Hi, just wondering if anyone has a sure-fire cure for ringworm that wouldn't be

too harsh to use on a child's skin. Email me with anything you have on it

please.



Anna





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Subject: Re: Ringworm cure?

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 11 Mar 2000 01:01:28 GMT

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>Hi, just wondering if anyone has a sure-fire cure for ringworm that wouldn't

>be

>too harsh to use on a child's skin. Email me with anything you have on it

>please.

>

>Anna



Tee Tree oil works wonders...





Jason





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To: SASAHMof5 <sasahmof5@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Ringworm cure?

From: Deborah Sais <deborah@swpc.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:16:47 -0700

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Dear Anna,

Try castor oil with 5ppm colloidal silver mixed

well with it. Worked with the last go around of

ringworm in my neighborhood. Mix One part

colloidal silver to 10 parts castor oil.

Love Always, Deborah Sais



SASAHMof5 wrote:

> 

> Hi, just wondering if anyone has a sure-fire cure for ringworm that wouldn't be

> too harsh to use on a child's skin. Email me with anything you have on it

> please.

> 

> Anna





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Subject: Re: Ringworm cure?

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:54:40 -0500

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And you use this topically, right? Put it on the skin? If that is the case,

you should say it, cuz some people are still on the wavelength of castor oil

as a purgative, taken internally, and I think I've heard of people taking

the silver internally. Specify the route .



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--

Deborah Sais <deborah@swpc.net> wrote in message

news:38C9AC8F.BB911658@swpc.net...

> Dear Anna,

> Try castor oil with 5ppm colloidal silver mixed

> well with it. Worked with the last go around of

> ringworm in my neighborhood. Mix One part

> colloidal silver to 10 parts castor oil.

> Love Always, Deborah Sais

>

> SASAHMof5 wrote:

> >

> > Hi, just wondering if anyone has a sure-fire cure for ringworm that

wouldn't be

> > too harsh to use on a child's skin. Email me with anything you have on

it

> > please.

> >

> > Anna









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Subject: Where Can I Find VERVAIN?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 12 Mar 2000 14:39:06 GMT

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Anyone have a good website where I can order Vervain or direct me to a place

that might carry it?  I'm searching everywhere and coming up empty-handed.  I

don't want the Vervain in pill form.....I want it fresh.  Thanks!



Diana





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Subject: Re: Where Can I Find VERVAIN?

From: "Jeff" <jeffy@yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:48:34 -0500

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Healthy by herbs has some very nice products.  I just did a search on the

site and you can get vervain there.

http://www.healthybyherbs.com





Doolittle66 <doolittle66@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20000312093906.02153.00000769@ng-fb1.aol.com...

>

>

> Anyone have a good website where I can order Vervain or direct me to a

place

> that might carry it?  I'm searching everywhere and coming up empty-handed.

I

> don't want the Vervain in pill form.....I want it fresh.  Thanks!

>

> Diana









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Subject: Re: Where Can I Find VERVAIN?

From: "AltNature Online Herbal" <nature@edge.net>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:35:59 -0600

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You can get vervain at http://members.home.net/jerrygut/ ... I get herbs

from this guy and they are as fresh as if I had just dried them myself. I

highly recommend this source, they wildcraft ethically and the herbs are top

quality.

Karen Shelton

Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

http://www.altnature.com

"Photographs and Remedies"















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Subject: Re: Where Can I Find VERVAIN?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 15 Mar 2000 15:52:36 GMT

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Excellent site.  THANKS!  Question though....what's the difference,

medicinally, between the two species--Blue Vervain (verbena hastata) and

Vervain (verbana officinalis)?

Diana



>"AltNature Online Herbal" wrote:





>

>You can get vervain at http://members.home.net/jerrygut/ ... I get herbs

>from this guy and they are as fresh as if I had just dried them myself. I

>highly recommend this source, they wildcraft ethically and the herbs are top

>quality.

>Karen Shelton

>Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

>http://www.altnature.com

>"Photographs and Remedies"

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Where Can I Find VERVAIN?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:39:00 +0200

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doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66) wrote:

>Excellent site.  THANKS!  Question though....what's the difference,

>medicinally, between the two species--Blue Vervain (verbena hastata) and

>Vervain (verbana officinalis)?



Medicinally there's no difference. 



They even look pretty much the same, if you compare to "other" Verbenas:

  http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/sf-z/verbhast.jpg

  http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/sf-z/verbhas1.jpg

  http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/sf-z/verboffi.jpg

  http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/sf-z/verboff1.jpg

vs. 

  http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/sf-z/verbcili.jpg

  http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/sf-z/verbcil1.jpg

which, by the way, can also be used like V. officinalis.



I like V. hastata -much- better than V. officinalis, because it's so much

showier in my garden.



V. hastata is found wild in places like Colorado, while V. officinalis is found

wild in places like Germany. Verbena ciliata is found in the SW US desert. Very

pretty plant, that one, especially in season - whole regions look pinkish when

it flowers.



Cheers

Henriette



--

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

                 -+- Added more to King's Dispensatory -+-

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: Where Can I Find VERVAIN?

From: eggs@telusxplanet.net (elaine & glenn)

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:38:58 GMT

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On 12 Mar 2000 14:39:06 GMT, doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66) wrote:



>

>

>Anyone have a good website where I can order Vervain or direct me to a place

>that might carry it?  I'm searching everywhere and coming up empty-handed.  I

>don't want the Vervain in pill form.....I want it fresh.  Thanks!



You could also buy seeds and grow your own. It's fairly easy to get

started and once you have the plants they're perennial in most zones.

Richters sells seeds. www.richters.com



Elaine





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Subject: Re: Where Can I Find VERVAIN?

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 14 Mar 2000 10:56:05 GMT

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Two herb businesses that carry vervain are



Blessed Herbs  http://www.blessedherbs.com  800 489 4372

Frontier  http://www.frontiercoop.com   800 669 3275



You might be able to order Frontier products through a local health food store

or herb dealer.



Vervain, like other herbs, is dried as opposed to fresh.   If you want fresh,

you probably must grow your own or harvest from the wild.



(Remove "nospam" from email address)







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Subject: Re: Where Can I Find VERVAIN?

From: "Karen" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:06:22 GMT

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I ca get white vervain in season, not again til midsummer.

Karen Shelton

Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

http://www.altnature.com

"Photographs and Remedies"











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Subject: Re limitations of herbs: was Re: exhaution

From: "robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:09:49 -0000

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<crousoe@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8a6hrd$80k$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

>

> Some you can`t cure with herbs:

> With herbs I mean herbs - (we might want to include roots, rhizomes,

> etc. even extracts if you like) - not some chemical derivative or

> concentrated substance isolated from herbs. Many modern drugs have

> their origins in plants but that`s not what we are talking about. You

> can go "of course you can treat an infection with penicillin" but mind

> you that is no herb. Ignoring the fact that it`s from a fungus it is a

> purified chemical substance.

>

> acne

> asthma (see below)

> athlete`s foot (but especially nails)

> migraine

> lots of problems with the eyes (glaucoma, conjunctivits etc)

> high blood pressure

> angina pectoris

> pain

> flu

> the majority of the infections caused by parasites, bacteria,

> viruses and fungi(some already mentioned above)



With the exception of eye problems, I have no problem at all in treating

these conditions. I don't succeed with every patient, but I certainly have a

pretty good success rate with acne, asthma, athlete's foot, migraine, high

blood pressure and angina. By "success", I mean that the patient feels

better and any signs of the illness are reduced to a manageable level - at

least as good as they could expect from conventional drugs.  Most infections

also respond well, although I do agree that there are times when antibiotics

save lives that herbs could not save. I don't understand your problem here,

especially considering that most of these are conditions that conventional

medicine has a very poor record with. Maybe what you meant to say was that

these conditions were not suitable for self-treatment with herbs? For most

of them (maybe not athletes foot) that is probably fair enough, but the same

holds for self-treatment with drugs.



> >I don't want lifelong dependency on medications such as I

> >see in alt.support.asthma.

>

> Go and try Datura stramonium (Jimsonweed), Atropa belladonna (Deadly

> Nightshade) or Ephedra against asthma which are maybe the most potent

> herbs against it that you can find

> and that were also used for a long time. You will soon find out that

> these herbs have a lot more risks and side-effects than modern asthma-

> medications.



Datura, etc are herbs of last resort for asthma - they are far from being

the first choice. A well chosen individualised prescription can work very

well, using nothing much more potent than Chamomile in a lot of cases.



You seem to be talking about herbs as drug substitutes, fitting them into

the framework of conventional medicine. Used in that way, I agree that their

limitations are obvious. Used holistically, herbs can be much more powerful

and the most effective herbs are not necessarily the most toxic as you seem

to think. When I first started training as a herbalist, I was amazed by the

amount of Chamomile prescribed by my tutors, as I thought of it as a bit of

a nothing herb. But now I find it one of the most useful herbs in my

dispensary. It acts gently, yes, but that does not mean it is not powerful.



Robyn

















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Subject: Re: Re limitations of herbs: was Re: exhaution

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:13:43 GMT

--------

Robyn:

>>With the exception of eye problems, I have no problem at all in

treating

>>these conditions. I don't succeed with every patient, but I certainly

have a

>>pretty good success rate with acne, asthma, athlete's foot, migraine,

high

>>blood pressure and angina.



>>> acne



Some mild forms that would also go away when you wait long enough?

Maybe. If you do so holistically do you include a diet?



>>> asthma (see below)



Some mild forms with Chamomile?  It is your responsibility.

And what about attacks, status asthmaticus etc?



>>> athlete`s foot



Can you do it in a week or one and a half weeks? Is it also a cream you

use 1 or 2 times a day like with modern medicine or do I have to take

Chamomille foot baths x times a day for a month?



>>>(but especially nails)



Can you treat the nails as you can with modern medicine?

And modern docs also do this holistically.



>>> lots of problems with the eyes (glaucoma, conjunctivits etc)

ah.



>>> pain



With modern medicine you take 1 tablet and pain is gone for hours, in

some cases for 24 hours. This is fast, powerful and efficient.

Of course you can treat some pain on your own with teas, tinctures

and compresses, baths etc. What if it really hurts?

Then you want an easy solution NOW.



>>>flu, infections



With vaccinations many infections can be prevented and they don`t grow

in the forest.



>Maybe what you meant to say was that these conditions were not

suitable

>for self-treatment with herbs?



Yes that was part of the original statement thank you.



>especially considering that most of these are conditions that

conventional

>medicine has a very poor record with.



I don`t think so.



You are right about holistical treatments and this is definitly

somehting that a lot of docs still have to learn.



Crousoe





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Subject: Re: Re limitations of herbs: was Re: exhaution

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:51:01 GMT

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<crousoe@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8aiih5$iub$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> >>>flu, infections

>

> With vaccinations many infections can be prevented and they don`t grow

> in the forest.



My experience with flu vaccination (only 1 if you want to know, I seem to

recall it was the Hong Kong flu) was terrible.  I have never had worse

fever, hallucinations, etc etc.  In addition, no one can say definitively

what long term problems may be caused by vaccinations (most herbs have been

around for many generations and the good/bad effects are more likely to have

been observed than those of vaccinations).



In contrast, treating flu holistically (and no doctor has *ever* encouraged

me to take vitamins or herbs), in particular Vitamin C, Zinc and  Ech my

bouts of flu have been less frequent, and less severe.



No its not statistically significant, and if there is a placebo effect then

it sure didn't work with the jab in the arse.



<generalization>

The kicker for me is that herbal practitioners *tend* to want to get to the

source of the problem whereas practitioners of modern, pharmaceutical based

medicine *tend* to go right for the symptom.

</generalization>



That doesn't stop me from using an anti-fungal cream to kill an infection,

(and yes I would have used tea tree oil, but I didn't want to fry my

goolies).



Cheers













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Subject: Re: Re limitations of herbs: was Re: exhaution

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:15:38 GMT

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>> With vaccinations many infections can be prevented and they don`t

grow

>> in the forest.



>what long term problems may be caused by vaccinations



I would be a little more grateful about vaccinations. Someone could

hear you and throw you in a time-machine taking you back to 1918 when

20 million died because of influenza and the superinfections. They

could send you back to the times when the plaque killed half Europe or

tuberculosis killed a third of Europe. [maybe a bit more or less]

Maybe you`d find Echinacea somewhere and chew on it. Good luck pal.

But I`d be happy if you came back alive   you could tell us more about

witches flying ointment :-)



><generalization>

>The kicker for me is that herbal practitioners *tend* to want to get

to the

>source of the problem whereas practitioners of modern, pharmaceutical

based

>medicine *tend* to go right for the symptom.

></generalization>



I *tend* to agree with you. But what if our herbal friends would have

to deal with ALL the patients that are out there? It would be

interesting to discuss what`d happen in this case and it takes 3 hours

for every patient (we want to treat him REALLY holistically, right?)

and what THAT would cost and how long you would have to WAIT in this

case.

Yes I know it does not take 3 hours for every patient. Sometimes it

might take even longer :-)



>That doesn't stop me from using an anti-fungal cream to kill an

>infection



I like that :-)



Crousoe





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Subject: Re: Re limitations of herbs: was Re: exhaution

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:13:17 GMT

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<crousoe@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8aj0mm$svu$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> I would be a little more grateful about vaccinations. Someone could

> hear you and throw you in a time-machine taking you back to 1918 when

> 20 million died because of influenza and the superinfections. They



Fair enough - I'm no historian but you would have to guess poor hygiene and

nutrition were significant factors.



> could send you back to the times when the plaque killed half Europe



And I bet you reckon that's because they didn't have flouride in their

toothpaste, hehe.



> tuberculosis killed a third of Europe. [maybe a bit more or less]

> Maybe you`d find Echinacea somewhere and chew on it. Good luck pal.



And the inference I am supposed to make is that they have all disappeared or

rendered harmless due to vaccinations?



I am quite comfortable with the fact that herbs aren't a magic cure all.  I

also probably wouldn't be alive today if it wasn't for modern medicine.  I

have subjected myself to vaccinations.



Perhaps you should take your time machine and travel a hundred years into

the future.  Just maybe the superinfections, and untreatable flu's and

rampant autoimmune diseases will make your 20 million look like a country

town cemetery.  I hope I'm wrong.



sos









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Subject: Re: Re limitations of herbs: was Re: exhaution

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:21:09 GMT

--------



> Perhaps you should take your time machine and travel a hundred years

> into the future. Just maybe the superinfections, and untreatable

>flu's and

> rampant autoimmune diseases will make your 20 million look like a

>country

> town cemetery. I hope I'm wrong.



I hope so too but that could be true.



Crousoe





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Subject: Re: Re limitations of herbs: was Re: exhaution

From: "robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:02:25 -0000

--------





<crousoe@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8aiih5$iub$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Robyn:

> >>With the exception of eye problems, I have no problem at all in

> treating

> >>these conditions. I don't succeed with every patient, but I certainly

> have a

> >>pretty good success rate with acne, asthma, athlete's foot, migraine,

> high

> >>blood pressure and angina.

>

> >>> acne

>

> Some mild forms that would also go away when you wait long enough?



No - it is a lot harder with teenagers. I usually have a lot more success

with acne in people in their twenties and above, who have had it fairly

constantly since teenage years . It seems rather co-incidental that it

begins to settle within two or three weeks of first seeing me, so no, I

definitely want to take credit there! Are you claiming that modern medicine

has a good rate of success for acne, with safe drugs? Roaccutane is not

anyone's idea of a trivial risk, and neither is long-term use of

antibiotics - and I have seen plenty of failures from these.



> Maybe. If you do so holistically do you include a diet?



Yeah, but it ain't my strong point. I am lazy on diet!



> >>> asthma (see below)

>

> Some mild forms with Chamomile?  It is your responsibility.



And I have no problem with that. I do not suggest they throw away their

inhalers, but once they have gradually reduced the steroids to the point

that they do not need them any more, they can keep the bronchodilator in the

first aid box. I would never suddenly remove steroids from an asthmatic,

because I happen to know what I am doing. Mostly, I would let the GP dictate

the pace of removal of the drugs - that is his area of specialist knowledge.

And as I originally said, do not assume that Chamomile is not powerful.



There seems to be no particular link between the severity of the original

asthma, and the degree of responsiveness to herbal treatment, and some

dramatic improvements are seen in very severe cases, whilst some apparently

mild cases are a bugger!



> And what about attacks, status asthmaticus etc?



I would send a status asthmaticus to hospital, what kind of an idiot

wouldn't? But then I would get them back in for a consultation as soon as

possible, to begin stabilising matters. I think you will find that most

status asthmaticus patients are on pretty heavy doses of modern drugs

already! Are they curing them?

>

> >>> athlete`s foot

>

> Can you do it in a week or one and a half weeks? Is it also a cream you

> use 1 or 2 times a day like with modern medicine or do I have to take

> Chamomille foot baths x times a day for a month?



Usually a cream. It depends. I find that many of my patients have already

tried and failed with modern creams.

>

> >>>(but especially nails)

>

> Can you treat the nails as you can with modern medicine?



Nails are tricky. Also tricky for modern creams. I actually had a new

patient with this problem today - she has already tried and failed with all

the GP's prescriptions.



> And modern docs also do this holistically.



Chortle.



> >>> lots of problems with the eyes (glaucoma, conjunctivits etc)

> ah.



Yeah, I admit it. I am not the complete answer to everyone's health

problems. Actually, though, conjunctivitis is sometimes treatable. Not

something you want to mess around with though, unless you are able to very

closely monitor the patient, and you are sure that they will follow your

advice carefully.



> >>> pain

>

> With modern medicine you take 1 tablet and pain is gone for hours, in

> some cases for 24 hours. This is fast, powerful and efficient.

> Of course you can treat some pain on your own with teas, tinctures

> and compresses, baths etc. What if it really hurts?

> Then you want an easy solution NOW.



Hmm. This may be true for a tension headache. I could introduce you to a lot

of people who wish that what you say here was true for their pain. My

practice would be considerably quieter if modern medicine could really do

this, eg for arthritis sufferers. Painkillers are also not risk-free, apart

from the risk of overdose, long-term use of NSAID's (which is what most of

my patients have been on), carries risks of kidney disease or digestive

bleeding. These are pretty major side-effects.



> >>>flu, infections

>

> With vaccinations many infections can be prevented and they don`t grow

> in the forest.



Mmmm. Now that is another subject. I don't discuss vaccinations, I like a

quiet life.



> >Maybe what you meant to say was that these conditions were not

> suitable

> >for self-treatment with herbs?

>

> Yes that was part of the original statement thank you.

>

> >especially considering that most of these are conditions that

> conventional

> >medicine has a very poor record with.

>

> I don`t think so.

>

> You are right about holistical treatments and this is definitly

> somehting that a lot of docs still have to learn.

>

> Crousoe

>

>

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

> Before you buy.



Crousoe, the vast majority of my patients come to me as a last resort. They

have already tried and failed with the drugs. Those people that have some

kind of moral stance against modern medicine form a tiny minority, although

it is always a pleasure to see one, as they do seem to respond more quickly

and easily. Most of my patients very much wish that what you say here were

true, but in their experience it has not worked for them. The herbs often

do.



Robyn













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Subject: Re: Re limitations of herbs: was Re: exhaution

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:18:16 GMT

--------

Hi Robyn,



>> >>> acne

>> Some mild forms that would also go away when you wait long enough?



>No - it is a lot harder with teenagers. I usually have a lot more

success

>with acne in people in their twenties and above, who have had it fairly

>constantly since teenage years . It seems rather co-incidental that it

>begins to settle within two or three weeks of first seeing me, so no, I

>definitely want to take credit there!



Roaccutane is a very powerful and effective medication against acne.

I agree it can be nasty if you have to use it as a tablet but there is

also a gel that works very well. Acne does not go away within a few

weeks it takes 2-3 months to cure it.

One very common mistake is that many people believe it would help

within 2-3 weeks but with Roaccutane initially acne will get worse

(in the process of healing) and so they don`t use it any more and

think it does not work. But Roaccutane is the only medication that

works great against blackheads which what makes it so effective.



>> Maybe. If you do so holistically do you include a diet?

>Yeah, but it ain't my strong point. I am lazy on diet!



That`s okay. Because food has NOTHING to do with acne.



>Nails are tricky. Also tricky for modern creams. I actually had a new

>patient with this problem today - she has already tried and failed

with all>the GP's prescriptions.



There is only one way: terbinafine orally over months maybe combined

with something to use on the nail (like amorolfine) which does a good

job. You can`t treat it with creams or solutions you have to get to it

from inside. This is also a common mistake.

(Maybe you can in the beginning treat it with a cream but then the

patient still thinks it will go away by itself).



>Crousoe, the vast majority of my patients come to me as a last resort.

They >have already tried and failed with the drugs.



It is good that there are alternatives.



There is another general thing I would like to discuss with you.

If herbal treatments really want to replace modern medicine especially

when it comes to dangerous and bad conditions it must be based on

evidence. You need clinical trials that prove that your herbs are as

effective as modern drugs. For instance we`d need a comparison

steroids/Chamomille in the treatment of asthma. If Chamomile proves

to be as effective I will agree that we could use Chamomile in this

case. If you don`t like clinical trials think of another way to prove

your theories but do so. Long experience and lots of people that

say "it works", "it has no side-effects" are not enough.

It is a good start for a hypothesis.



Healing must not be a religion that one believes in or not, it must

be based on facts and one has to know what exactly one can achieve

with it and what risks there are.



For without proof anyone could claim that his therapy works. Someone

could for instance drop one cristal of a chemical substance in an

amount of water equal to all water on this planet, stirr and shake this

water, take some of this "mixture" and say that it is powerful against

cancer.



There is already a lot of quackery out there. We don`t want herbalists

to be a part of it.



Crousoe

























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Subject: Re: Re limitations of herbs: was Re: exhaution

From: "robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:15:56 -0000

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<crousoe@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8alhn3$oco$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Hi Robyn,

Hi



> That`s okay. Because food has NOTHING to do with acne.



This is the current accepted wisdom of modern medicine, just what most

conventional medics

believe this year. Certain, rather limited, dietary manipulations have been

found useless in clinical trials. Most of these have only tested removal of

one substance to see if that made a difference whilst leaving the rest of

the diet unchanged. When advising acne patients I generally recommend what I

believe would be a good healthy diet for them individually and their

constitution. I would not stop and think about whether this is a proven

treatment for acne, my job is to work on the overall health. A holistic

practitioner cannot just treat one condition, that would kind of contradict

the whole idea of being holistic.



> There is another general thing I would like to discuss with you.

> If herbal treatments really want to replace modern medicine especially

> when it comes to dangerous and bad conditions it must be based on

> evidence. You need clinical trials that prove that your herbs are as

> effective as modern drugs. For instance we`d need a comparison

> steroids/Chamomille in the treatment of asthma. If Chamomile proves

> to be as effective I will agree that we could use Chamomile in this

> case. If you don`t like clinical trials think of another way to prove

> your theories but do so. Long experience and lots of people that

> say "it works", "it has no side-effects" are not enough.

> It is a good start for a hypothesis.



Double-blind clinical trials are not

particularly relevant to the practice of herbal medicine. We do not treat

conditions in the same way that modern medicine does. So, for example, I

would be very surprised if you could find a single case in my files in which

two asthma patients were given the same prescription. What works for one

asthmatic, may actually worsen the state of another, because you need to

look at what is going on

behind the condition.



There has been quite a lot of work done on finding

alternative methods of validating our practice (Goethean theory?, I still

haven't looked into it much but I know some people who have), but so far

conventional medics have not understood why it is needed, and so paid no

attention. As I am sure you are aware, quite a lot of herbal simples have

had

favourable results in standard clinical trials, despite the fact that they

are rarely used that way by professional herbalists - but it seems that most

of our patented acne,

asthma, angina etc cures are still in the pending tray!



> Healing must not be a religion that one believes in or not, it must

> be based on facts and one has to know what exactly one can achieve

> with it and what risks there are.



What you seem to be saying is that all forms of healing must still work with

the same kind of view of the universe and the workings of the human body

that modern medicine has. Fortunately, herbs can often fit into this - but

it is a very limited form of herbalism - and possibly not one that can treat

acne, asthma, angina, high blood pressure, and the rest of your list.



Do you think acupuncture works? Clinical trials have validated it again and

again, but modern medicine has no satisfactory explanation. With herbs they

think that they have got it - it is down to the chemicals in the plants, and

so basically just the same as the drugs. I believe that they are only seeing

a very small portion of the truth, and my guess is that that is where we

differ.



I work with herbs in a way that is more akin to the way acupuncturists work

than to the way modern medicine works. Maybe you will call me a quack -

perhaps I would have done so myself

twenty years ago. Personally, I have to admit that I am not all that

bothered about changing the world to my point of view, I just love working

with my plants and my patients and my own tiny bit of the planet. I am

not all that bothered about replacing modern medicine, there seems to be

plenty of the poor sick buggers to go around. I enjoy working with the

concepts of modern medicine as well - give me half an hour or so and I can

happily recite a list of all the possible diff diagnoses of ankylosing

spondylitis, and I do (mostly unsuccessfully) try to keep up with the

orthodox journals. Personally, I think the two are reconciliable - but

modern medicine will have to change its concepts just as much as we will,

and going around saying " food has NOTHING to do with acne" , when what you

actually mean is that no particular foods have any PROVEN link to acne may

look a bit silly in the future. But maybe I'll be the silly one, time will

tell.



Robyn











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Subject: Re: Re limitations of herbs: was Re: exhaution

From: "Kinney/Reid" <kinney-reid@email.msn.com>

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:43:31 -0800

--------

I was gonna stay away from this thread, but I must join in just to commend

you robyn for your well thought out and kindly posting. Nice style, well

spoken.

ember











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Subject: Re: Re limitations of herbs: was Re: exhaution

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:33:09 GMT

--------



>Certain, rather limited, dietary manipulations have been

>found useless in clinical trials. Most of these have only tested

removal of

>one substance to see if that made a difference whilst leaving the rest

of

>the diet unchanged.



I certainly understand that you disliked this arrogant statement. But

this was the idea: We want to get rid of acne. Food is not causing

acne. Conclusion: We don`t need food restrictions. Cool.



But obviously we were misunderstanding each other for you are not

intending to treat acne by food restrictions but in your holistic

approach you work on overall health by telling the patient he should

sometimes eat an apple instead of a hamburger (probably not a bad idea)



>This is the current accepted wisdom of modern medicine, just what most

>conventional medics believe this year.



Of course but if you want to find out the truth or parts of

the truth via a hypothesis sometimes a hypothesis shows to be wrong

and so you drop it. That is what science is all about.



>I would be very surprised if you could find a single case in my files

in which

>two asthma patients were given the same prescription. What works for

one

>asthmatic, may actually worsen the state of another, because you need

to

>look at what is going on

>behind the condition.



>> Healing must not be a religion that one believes in or not, it must

>> be based on facts and one has to know what exactly one can achieve

>> with it and what risks there are.



>What you seem to be saying is that all forms of healing must still

work with

>the same kind of view of the universe and the workings of the human

body

>that modern medicine has.



Not necessarily. (see post to T.Mueller): If my doc can cure me

by just saying abacadabra this would be really great.

(this is not implying that herbs and abacadabra are the same )

But would you believe this without proof, tests, explanations?

Logic and scientific thinking is definitly one way to

approach this. Because so you can deal with:



1. coincidence. Maybe the bad condition just went away by itself

                when my doc said abracadabra.



2. placebo effects. Maybe I just felt better when hearing abracadabra.



3. bias. Maybe I thought it`d work and felt better after being treated

         with abracadabra.



4. cheaters.



And we can qualify the effect: how strong is it, what does it do,

we get statements about risks and dangers.



Well this is my final statement in this thread. It`s been very

interesting to discuss this with all of you and I`d like to thank you

for your answers.I guess  I learned a bit from you and got to see

some of your perspective which was interesting and I hope you

understood some of my points.



Crousoe





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Subject: Re: Re limitations of herbs: was Re: exhaution

From: "robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:26:06 -0000

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<crousoe@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8ar5sc$sh6$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Well this is my final statement in this thread. It`s been very

> interesting to discuss this with all of you and I`d like to thank you

> for your answers.I guess  I learned a bit from you and got to see

> some of your perspective which was interesting and I hope you

> understood some of my points.

>

> Crousoe



Yes, ditto. Let's do it again sometime! You might be interested in looking

at Goethean theory - personally I know nothing about it whatsoever, except

that it is thought to be one possible way of providing the kind of

validations that you are talking about. When I get around to finding out

more, I will post info.



Robyn











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Subject: Re limitations of herbs: was Re: exhaution

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 16 Mar 2000 09:49:29 GMT

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I tried chamomile among many other herbs for asthma, and chamomile had no

effect.  Mullein, pleurisy root, comfrey root, slippery elm, and several herbs

in family Lamiaceae (mint family) were also neutral.  Green tea has teed up my

herbal arsenal to the extent of being able to go without inhalers or any other

pharmaceuticals (last use May 22, 1998) and not worry about passing the

inhalers' (albuterol & ipratropium bromide) expiration dates.



Remedies to be used for asthma are much more varied in herbal medicine than in

conventional medicine, therefore double-blind placebo-controlled clinical trials

are not much use outside conventional medicine.  Alternative medicine tends to

view the patient as a whole person, an individual not to be bunched with others

who have the same named ailment.



>>> pain

>

With modern medicine you take 1 tablet and pain is gone for hours, in

some cases for 24 hours. This is fast, powerful and efficient.

Of course you can treat some pain on your own with teas, tinctures

and compresses, baths etc. What if it really hurts?

Then you want an easy solution NOW.

>



More to the point is treating the cause of the pain.  Naturally it is difficult

to recommend a herbal remedy for something so nonspecific.



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Subject: Re: Re limitations of herbs: was Re: exhaution

From: "Panda" <kryennospam@4u.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:38:35 GMT

--------

Just comin' in on this, sorry if repetitious...



Yes, caffeine works great for asthma (or at least on me) - but

it, too, has it's side effects and for some of us it's worse than

others.  I'm glad you've not had to use an inhaler though, they

make me absolutely crazed - while I can breathe I find myself

holding my breath for no good reason.



P





"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net> wrote in message

news:953200169.890561@news.bluegrass.net...

: I tried chamomile among many other herbs for asthma, and

chamomile had no

: effect.  Mullein, pleurisy root, comfrey root, slippery elm,

and several herbs

: in family Lamiaceae (mint family) were also neutral.  Green tea

has teed up my

: herbal arsenal to the extent of being able to go without

inhalers or any other

: pharmaceuticals (last use May 22, 1998) and not worry about

passing the

: inhalers' (albuterol & ipratropium bromide) expiration dates.

:

: Remedies to be used for asthma are much more varied in herbal

medicine than in

: conventional medicine, therefore double-blind

placebo-controlled clinical trials

: are not much use outside conventional medicine.  Alternative

medicine tends to

: view the patient as a whole person, an individual not to be

bunched with others

: who have the same named ailment.

:

: >>> pain

: >

: With modern medicine you take 1 tablet and pain is gone for

hours, in

: some cases for 24 hours. This is fast, powerful and efficient.

: Of course you can treat some pain on your own with teas,

tinctures

: and compresses, baths etc. What if it really hurts?

: Then you want an easy solution NOW.

: >

:

: More to the point is treating the cause of the pain.  Naturally

it is difficult

: to recommend a herbal remedy for something so nonspecific.

:

: (Remove "nospam" from email address)

:







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Subject: Looking for a beginner's book in Canada

From: "Eddie @home" <jeb@cae.ca>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:08:23 -0500

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Hi folks,



Me again.   I stepped in a couple of weeks ago asking questions, the

biggest one being about psoriasis and herbs, and got all sorts of good

answers.  I'd been lurking before that, and have been lurking since.

One of the things I'm finding fascinating, is how some of you seem to

have this really in-depth knowledge of the subject, and although I

believe that most of it was gained from slow and real-life research,

I'm wondering if any of you started out with a simple book that you

could recommend to a lay person ?  For instance, if I were to tell you

that I am going to my local Chapters or Indigo bookstore next month to

buy a book on herbs and their medicinal and nutritional uses, which

one would you recommend that I buy or order.  I know that's not a

simple to thing to ask, but all of this does sound fascinating, and I

really don't want to throw myself into something that will discourage

me with its complexity right off the bat.  Thanks for any and all

ideas !



Eddie

p.s. Anybody ever hear of something called "Tila" ?  Used to make a

tea.  Just wondering.











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Subject: Re: Looking for a beginner's book in Canada

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:43:06 +0200

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"Eddie @home" <jeb@cae.ca> wrote:

>I'm wondering if any of you started out with a simple book that you

>could recommend to a lay person ?  For instance, if I were to tell you



You want to buy Janice Schofield's "Discovering Wild Plants" book. It's

expensive, but it's -well- worth it. It covers both simple medicinal uses and

more complicated culinary ones.



There's a list of good herbal medicine books for beginners in the medicinal

herbfaq, part 7, but most of the really good beginners guides are from the UK.



>p.s. Anybody ever hear of something called "Tila" ?  Used to make a

>tea.  Just wondering.



IIRC that's linden (Tilia sp.).



Henriette



--

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Subject: Re: Looking for a beginner's book in Canada

From: "Eddie @home" <jeb@cae.ca>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:19:54 -0500

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Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:nqvocso8v7lrg2u9i93sactjspt4v74i56@4ax.com...

> "Eddie @home" <jeb@cae.ca> wrote:

> >I'm wondering if any of you started out with a simple book that you

> >could recommend to a lay person ?  For instance, if I were to tell

you

>

> You want to buy Janice Schofield's "Discovering Wild Plants" book.

It's

> expensive, but it's -well- worth it. It covers both simple medicinal

uses and

> more complicated culinary ones.



Thanks Henriette.  I will have a look in one of the larger bookstores

on my way home.



> There's a list of good herbal medicine books for beginners in the

medicinal

> herbfaq, part 7, but most of the really good beginners guides are

from the UK.



Makes perfect sense to me.  I've only been on the net for about 7

years and consider myself a veteran, so you would think that I would

have looked at the FAQ first, right ?  (Eddie blushing furiously).

<sigh> Sorry about that, I'll have a look.  I was kind of hoping to

get something closer to home, but I suppose if I find something I

like, I can order it through the mail.



> >p.s. Anybody ever hear of something called "Tila" ?  Used to make a

> >tea.  Just wondering.

>

> IIRC that's linden (Tilia sp.).



Well, the spelling on the label is T-i-l-a, and I believe that's the

French version, but none of the French dictionaries I looked in, had

any indication of what it was.  I will go with your analysis and

pronounce it as linden.  Thanks once again Henriette, and have a good

day !



Eddie

...off to research linden...















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Subject: Re: Looking for a beginner's book in Canada

From: "yew" <nsyew@premier1.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:13:27 -0800

--------

Henriette Kress wrote in message ...

>"Eddie @home" <jeb@cae.ca> wrote:

>>I'm wondering if any of you started out with a simple book that you

>>could recommend to a lay person ?  For instance, if I were to tell you

>

>You want to buy Janice Schofield's "Discovering Wild Plants" book. It's

>expensive, but it's -well- worth it. It covers both simple medicinal uses

and

>more complicated culinary ones.



*SUCH* a great book!  Oh, and she was a home economics teacher in my home

town but that's really beside the point.  :)



Seriously, though, it's one of the best herbal references for the Pacific

Northwest I've ever read.  She really covers everything--from medicinal and

food to folk uses.  And R.W. Tyler's drawings (and Schofield's photographs)

couldn't be clearer.



I also recommend John Lust's "The Herb Book" (from which Schofield quotes

extensively).  Extra-cheap at under $8 U.S. and packed with nice

black-and-white line drawings and TONS of info.  My only beef with the book

is that plants are listed by common name--with a decidedly East Coast bias.

It is, however, cross-indexed in Latin.  Overall, there really (IMHO, of

course) isn't a better herb book out there for the price.



Brina









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Subject: Re: Looking for a beginner's book in Canada

From: eggs@telusxplanet.net (elaine & glenn)

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:41:40 GMT

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:08:23 -0500, "Eddie @home" <jeb@cae.ca> wrote:





>I'm wondering if any of you started out with a simple book that you

>could recommend to a lay person ?  



Try Penelope Ody, The Complete Medicinal Herbal. It has full colour

photos to help recognize plants as well as instructions for making

herbal remedies and dosages for most common ailments. Also precautions

and contraindications.





>p.s. Anybody ever hear of something called "Tila" ?  Used to make a

>tea.  Just wondering.



Linden. The flowers are used to make tea for treatment of high blood

pressure. It's actually a tree.



Elaine





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Subject: depression

From: "Richard White" <rwhite@buckinghamnip.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:21:53 -0000

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>my landlady tried Proxac but 'doen't like drugs'

>she would like to know about St John's Wort

>can anybody please help?



>Richard









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Subject: Re: depression

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 13 Mar 2000 14:58:01 GMT

--------



Richard,



St, John's Wort is good stuff.  :o)  I take it regularly and it helps me with

my bouts of depression and mood swings immensely!  I used to take Prozac as a

headache preventative and anti-depressant and quit taking it for the same

reason as your landlady!  Tell her to give it a try, but if she's been on the

Prozac for a while, she'll need to VERY GRADUALLY come off the Prozac.  She

can't quit that drug cold turkey or she could suffer bad effects.  She should

ask her doctor how to come off the drug and then start the St. John's Wort. 

But it's extremely important that she know she may NOT take St. John's Wort and

Prozac at the same time.  She's got to wait until the Prozac is totally out of

her bloodstream before starting St. John's Wort.



Take care!

Diana



Richard White wrote:

>

>>my landlady tried Proxac but 'doen't like drugs'

>>she would like to know about St John's Wort

>>can anybody please help?

>

>>Richard









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Subject: Re: depression

From: "aq" <aq@aq.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:31:29 +0100

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Bob Tyndall <bobby-t@canada.com> wrote in message :

aZBz4.26816$Dv1.320523@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com...

> look for Extramin  at www.paradisehealth.com

>

> bobby-t@canada.com

>

>

>

> "Richard White" <rwhite@buckinghamnip.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

> news:8agqse$dtp$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...

> > >my landlady tried Proxac but 'doen't like drugs'

> > >she would like to know about St John's Wort

> > >can anybody please help?

> >

> > >Richard



Look at http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/eclectic/main/index.html

There's a whole list, and St John's Wort is amongst them.

It is said to be efficient in cases of depression.

An amateur tincture maker









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Subject: Re: depression

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:27:35 -0700

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Saint John's Wort works to relieve depression due to its effect on the

liver.  It is not an MAO inhibitor like other antidepressant drugs.  The

eclectics used it to treat a condition called melancholy, which refers to a

lack of direction, purpose, creativity, and motivation.  Depression may

include this but is also often associated with grief and loss.  There are

chemical imbalances that may come into play as well.  Herbally, the liver is

addressed, along with gentle nervine herbs to help relax.  Nutrition is

important because many micronutrient deficiencies are connected to

depression.



Jasper



aq <aq@aq.com> wrote in message news:8bd3i0$kqc$1@news0.skynet.be...

> Bob Tyndall <bobby-t@canada.com> wrote in message :

> aZBz4.26816$Dv1.320523@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com...

> > look for Extramin  at www.paradisehealth.com

> >

> > bobby-t@canada.com

> >

> >

> >

> > "Richard White" <rwhite@buckinghamnip.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

> > news:8agqse$dtp$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...

> > > >my landlady tried Proxac but 'doen't like drugs'

> > > >she would like to know about St John's Wort

> > > >can anybody please help?

> > >

> > > >Richard

>

> Look at http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/eclectic/main/index.html

> There's a whole list, and St John's Wort is amongst them.

> It is said to be efficient in cases of depression.

> An amateur tincture maker

>

>









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Subject: Natural anti-inflammatory

From: diana@thorley1999.freeserve.co.uk (diana thorley)

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:17:46 GMT

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I really need something to help with inflammation and pain due to

osteoarthritis as I am unable to take the prescription drugs used for

this - except for codeine.  Does anyone know of anything that really

works? Thanks, DT





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Subject: Re: Natural anti-inflammatory

From: herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle)

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:45:35 GMT

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:17:46 GMT, diana@thorley1999.freeserve.co.uk (diana

thorley) wrote:



>I really need something to help with inflammation and pain due to

>osteoarthritis as I am unable to take the prescription drugs used for

>this - except for codeine.  Does anyone know of anything that really

>works? Thanks, DT



Something recommended by Dr. James Duke, chief ethnobotanist with the USDA --

celery seeds. I'm going to start them soon for the same purpose. I guess I'll

buy them already capped up. He said in an article the dosage each day, I'll try

to look that up and post it. He says he takes them himself, and I really respect

him and his opinions/research, so since everything else I've tried has failed -

I don't know if I have osteoarthritis or rheumatoid in my fingertips -- and I

really want relief.



         Anya  {{{*_*}}}

http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady

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Subject: Re: Natural anti-inflammatory

From: brenda@globe.NOPSPAM.net.nz (Brenda Wallace)

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:29:02 GMT

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:17:46 GMT, diana@thorley1999.freeserve.co.uk

(diana thorley) wrote:



>I really need something to help with inflammation and pain due to

>osteoarthritis as I am unable to take the prescription drugs used for

>this - except for codeine.  Does anyone know of anything that really

>works? Thanks, DT



I'm in the same situation. Being allergic to asprin, codeine was the

only government subsidised anti-f i can have.

Unfortunately it has many side effects. the most annoying are the

constipation, light headed-ness and I can't have much alcohol.



I'm already using tumeric, because i thought it would help with the

constipation (my tumeric meatballs always had the oppisite effect)



What else could i use to possibly reduce the other side effects? 

I have a large range of culinary herbs growing already.







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Subject: Re: Natural anti-inflammatory

From: diana@thorley1999.freeserve.co.uk (diana thorley)

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:56:33 GMT

--------



Thank you all for your comments and suggestions. I will try all the

things suggested except perhaps tumeric because I suspect that this

has caused problems in the past (IBS). As far as I know celery seeds

are diuretic and I have recd an Email suggesting that getting rid of

retained fluid relieves arthritic pain so I will try the seeds first.

I really appreciate the knowledge available in this NG.   DT



On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:17:46 GMT, diana@thorley1999.freeserve.co.uk

(diana thorley) wrote:



>I really need something to help with inflammation and pain due to

>osteoarthritis as I am unable to take the prescription drugs used for

>this - except for codeine.  Does anyone know of anything that really

>works? Thanks, DT







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Subject: Re: Natural anti-inflammatory

From: Mary <mbuckNOSPAM@mindspring.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:35:37 -0500

--------

I use bromelain (pineapple) too, both in pills and I eat fresh pineapple

as much as I can.  Seems to help some.



Mary



diana thorley wrote:



> Thank you all for your comments and suggestions. I will try all the

> things suggested except perhaps tumeric because I suspect that this

> has caused problems in the past (IBS). As far as I know celery seeds

> are diuretic and I have recd an Email suggesting that getting rid of

> retained fluid relieves arthritic pain so I will try the seeds first.

> I really appreciate the knowledge available in this NG.   DT

>

> On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:17:46 GMT, diana@thorley1999.freeserve.co.uk

> (diana thorley) wrote:

>

> >I really need something to help with inflammation and pain due to

> >osteoarthritis as I am unable to take the prescription drugs used for

> >this - except for codeine.  Does anyone know of anything that really

> >works? Thanks, DT







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Subject: RE: Natural anti-inflammatory

From: "Mr. Prez" <cuisito@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:58:54 +0100

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diana thorley <diana@thorley1999.freeserve.co.uk> escribi en el mensaje de

noticias 38cc24fa.2407520@news.freeserve.net...

> I really need something to help with inflammation and pain due to

> osteoarthritis as I am unable to take the prescription drugs used for

> this - except for codeine.  Does anyone know of anything that really

> works? Thanks, DT

try:

Guaiacum officinale 80 %

Althea officinalis 20 %



Boil 10 minutes 1.5 tablespoons for 1 l, repose one night, and drink three

times . Dont add sugar or honey.

It had a bad taste.

WORKS!!!











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Subject: Re: Natural anti-inflammatory

From: Zaphod & Trillian <heart@gold.net>

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:05:28 -0800

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I can tell you what I take for tendonitis and other inflammations.

You should read the literature carefully before taking anything.

I take Devil's claw, Yucca, and St John's wort, available in

capsules from nutrition stores.  I take 2 capsules of each

three times daily and it helps me.  I also take kava kava for

the pain.





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Subject: Re: Natural anti-inflammatory

From: dirtroad <dirtroadNOdiSPAM@altavista.com.invalid>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:37:38 -0800

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bromelain is great for this.  try kava

kava or valerian.  you can also use

cayenne-it should help with

constipation a little too





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Subject: Slippery Elm

From: "tdeaton" <tdeaton@infoave.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:18:00 -0500

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First Time Poster!



I have some slippery elms on my property.  How do I extract the inner bark

that I keep reading about?



Tim









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Subject: Re: Slippery Elm

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:45:47 +0200

--------

"tdeaton" <tdeaton@infoave.net> wrote:

>I have some slippery elms on my property.  How do I extract the inner bark

>that I keep reading about?



First you kill the tree, then you bark it, then you remove the outer bark and

keep the inner bark. Either dry it and shred it up or dry it and keep it in

bits. You can also powder it, once it is dry.



Another way to get the bark is to strip branches that fall down during storms.



Most 'mercan elms have been killed off by Dutch Elm disease, you might want to

ask your local extension office if slippery elm is protected in your neck of the

woods...



Henriette



--

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed





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Subject: growing medicinal

From: Kristen <kristen@roadrunner.nospam.com>

Date: 13 Mar 2000 04:32:20 GMT

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Does anyone know of any organic medicinal herb SEED  companies??  Besides the one I know, Horizone 

Herbs (not that I don't like them, they're fantastic, but I'm looking for others)







Also, does anyone know of companies that are farming medicinal plants large-scale??  



Please e-mail as well, my computer is ancient and I have a hard time reading tthrough newsgroups. 

 



Thanks so much,



Kristen



kristen@cybermesa.com







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Subject: Re: growing medicinal

From: Acorn <oakwood@forest.net>

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:24:16 +1300

--------

I hate to tell you this but Amway grow medical herbs large scale in

California and the Caribbean, they even grow them organically!

I am sure they would be only TOO happy to bombard you with info.......





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Subject: OT: Re: Flying Ointment

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:41:02 GMT

--------

You could take up paragliding, soar with eagles one day, in hospital the

next.



--

sos

O@H survival guide http://metrak.com/OaH





<crousoe@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8aibpf$ehu$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> "I believe I can fly I believe I can touch the sky I think about it

> every night and day...."

>

> - R.Kelly :-)

>

> Don`t we all just love these mysterious stories and who hasn`t dreamt

> of flying at least once in his life? Free like a bird in the sky :-)











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Subject: Energy Herbs

From: mzmelaniekay@aol.com (MzMelanieKay)

Date: 13 Mar 2000 15:25:31 GMT

--------

Hello everyone,



I'm new to this group and in the past couple of years have become increasingly

curious about herbs and its uses. Last year I grew only a very, very small

array of herbs on my front porch, but hope to expand that this year! Anyway, I

am interested to know if anyone has suggestions on herbs that help with low

energy. St. John's Wort was suggested to me but it made me feel very skittish

and well, just "yuck."  Any help is appreciated! :-)



Thanks in advance,

Melanie





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Subject: Re: Energy Herbs

From: "John Anderson" <ring@compuplus.net>

Date: 15 Mar 2000 19:58:40 -0700

--------





MzMelanieKay <mzmelaniekay@aol.com> wrote in article

<20000313102531.00652.00000703@ng-cl1.aol.com>...

> Hello everyone,

> 

> I'm new to this group and in the past couple of years have become

increasingly

> curious about herbs and its uses. Last year I grew only a very, very

small

> array of herbs on my front porch, but hope to expand that this year!

Anyway, I

> am interested to know if anyone has suggestions on herbs that help with

low

> energy. St. John's Wort was suggested to me but it made me feel very

skittish

> and well, just "yuck."  Any help is appreciated! :-)

> 

> Thanks in advance,

> Melanie

> 



Here in Nortthwest Montana St. John's Wort is considered a noxious weed,

that translates to, 

the cows won't eat it and it grows like crazy.



It takes a lot of St. John's Wort plants to make tincture.

We only use the flowers.

Since it takes many acres to produce a quart of tincture

it seems more practical to wildcraft if possible.

The plant seems to thrive in dry, poor quality soil and would probably grow

in many climates.



John





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Subject: Re: Energy Herbs

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:45:21 +0200

--------

"John Anderson" <ring@compuplus.net> wrote:

>Here in Nortthwest Montana St. John's Wort is considered a noxious weed,

>that translates to, the cows won't eat it and it grows like crazy.

>

>It takes a lot of St. John's Wort plants to make tincture.

>We only use the flowers.

>Since it takes many acres to produce a quart of tincture it seems more practical to wildcraft if possible.



Sure, if you only use the flowers -- but then, you get tincture that's 

almost as good if you snip the upper 2-3 inches in full flower, at a 

LOT less work.



SJW picking strategies:

- if you want a tincture that'll knock the socks off you, pick only the 

  buds. A couple caveats: when the plant is in bud you can't even see it 

  in the high grass of the meadow, and the buds are very small. You'll 

  still be picking them next year if you try for a quart.

- if you want a tincture that has more zing than any you can buy, pick 

  2-3 " of the flowering tops. This is a -lot- faster. The plant will 

  make more flowers in another two weeks, so if you want more than one 

  harvest from the same meadow, be there later on, too.

- if you want a tincture that's about what you can buy from reputable 

  companies, pick the whole flowering plant.

- if you want -bad- Hypericum, pick the whole plant, leave it in your 

  shed for three years or so (if you don't want to you don't have to

  turn it during this drying process, nobody's going to notice the 

  mildew anyway...), powder it and put it into capsules. Or pills.



My SJW tinctures? They're so deep red that you can't see through a one-ounce

dropper bottle. That's flowering tops, but that's SJW growing up here in the

north, with loooong summer days.



Cheers

Henriette



--

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

                 -+- Added more to King's Dispensatory -+-

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: Energy Herbs

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:00:16 +0200

--------

"John Anderson" <ring@compuplus.net> wrote:



>Thanks for the tips.

>Do you know if SJW grows in most climates?



It won't thrive in the jungle. Nor in the desert.



>Summers here must be allot like Finland, 18 hour days.



We have close to 24 hour days, around midsummer.



>Does SJW grow closer to the equator?



If you are far south you can go climb a mountain and look for it high up, on the

drier meadows.



Henriette



--

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

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Subject: Re: Energy Herbs

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:31:23 -0500

--------

It grows wild in zone 4-5, in Maine. I laughed when I found it after I had

painstakingly bought and nurtured plants. But I have heard that the

varieties are not all the same in potency. Even the commercially sold plants

now have several competing varieties.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:k2q1dsgh1er3muerv51j635ur22i8bdj9n@4ax.com...

> "John Anderson" <ring@compuplus.net> wrote:

>

> >Thanks for the tips.

> >Do you know if SJW grows in most climates?

>

> It won't thrive in the jungle. Nor in the desert.

>

> >Summers here must be allot like Finland, 18 hour days.

>

> We have close to 24 hour days, around midsummer.

>

> >Does SJW grow closer to the equator?

>

> If you are far south you can go climb a mountain and look for it high up,

on the

> drier meadows.

>

> Henriette

>

> --

> hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

>                  -+- Added more to King's Dispensatory -+-

> Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...









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Subject: Re: Energy Herbs

From: "John Anderson" <ring@compuplus.net>

Date: 17 Mar 2000 12:49:49 -0700

--------





> 

> If you are far south you can go climb a mountain and look for it high up,

on the

> drier meadows.

> 

> Henriette

> 

> --

> hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

>                  -+- Added more to King's Dispensatory -+-

> Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...



I wonder if SJW grows on the Big Island in Hawaii.

There's a mountain high enough to have snow, one side is rain forest an the

other is desert-like. 



And by the way, does Finland have mid-summer days that are 24 hours of

above the horizon 

sun?



Winter's must be a tad long and dark. 



Maybe that's why the northern climes are blessed with SJW.



John  





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Subject: Re: Energy Herbs

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:11:50 GMT

--------

SJW grows like a weed this far South (Melbourne)



--

sos

O@H survival guide http://metrak.com/OaH





"John Anderson" <ring@compuplus.net> wrote in message

news:01bf9048$f4f97f20$d5ac19ce@ring...

>

> Maybe that's why the northern climes are blessed with SJW.











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Subject: Re: Energy Herbs

From: "edcottrell:First edcottrell:Last" <edcottrell@earthlink.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:15:05 GMT

--------

I wanted to know where I could buy herbs at wholesale prices.  Sams Club

sells cheaper than most places I have been told about.  Any help is greatly

appreciated.  Thanks!



"sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au> wrote in message

news:G4yA4.231$Ky.2245@news1.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au...

> SJW grows like a weed this far South (Melbourne)

>

> --

> sos

> O@H survival guide http://metrak.com/OaH

>

>

> "John Anderson" <ring@compuplus.net> wrote in message

> news:01bf9048$f4f97f20$d5ac19ce@ring...

> >

> > Maybe that's why the northern climes are blessed with SJW.

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Energy Herbs

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:13:21 -0700

--------

If you hold the leaf up to the sunlight, you can see tons of tiny holes that

let the light through.  The flower essence is used for people who are quite

sensitive and over-receptive to the effects of light, let it be fair-skinned

people who easily get sunburned, or those effected by the lack of light,

like with seasonal affective disorder.  The essence brings illuminated

consciousness and light filled awareness into ones consciousness.  Just look

upon a patch of SJW and you can see how this plant is used for light

therapy, in the metaphysical sense.



Yes, SJW does cause photosensitivity in humans!  Excessive use can provoke

photodermatitis causing skin allergies.  This mainly happens with fair

skinned, blond hair, blue eyed people.  It is interesting to note that SJW

oil is used topically to treat sunburns, but if you wear the oil on you skin

out in the sunlight, it will make the sunburn worse.  Go figure.



The FDA has declared SJW "unsafe" based on reported toxicity to cattle.

Because it is considered a noxious weed, it is illegal to grow out here in

Colorado, or atleast in Boulder County.  The herb farms grow it anyways.  I

find no need to grow it because I can wildcraft it in abundance up here in

the mountains (grows at about 8,000 feet).



Jasper





John Anderson <ring@compuplus.net> wrote in message

news:01bf9396$813561c0$f9ac19ce@ring...

> The cows around here don't seem to care for it much, or maybe there are

> other plants they prefer.

>

> Do you suppose that SJW makes people more photosensitive?

>

> Is SJW performing some kind of light therapy?

>

> John

>

> MtnMagicHerbs <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net> wrote in article

> <sZRB4.1059$MZ2.27499@news.uswest.net>...

> > Actually, what happens with the cows is that they eat tons of SJW and

> become

> > photosensitive, eventually dieing of sunburn!  No wonder the ranchers

> hate

> > our wonderful healing plant!  Herbs grow in abundance where we need them

> the

> > most.  I've seen the largest stand of SJW in a field next to Rocky

Flats,

> a

> > toxic nuclear waste plant outside of Denver, Colorado.  I believe the

> plants

> > are trying to heal the land, and the people too.

> >

> > Jasper

> >

> > Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

> > news:h801ds8j96eoekald3n4tl1efdcvrkcv9s@4ax.com...

> > > "John Anderson" <ring@compuplus.net> wrote:

> > > >Here in Nortthwest Montana St. John's Wort is considered a noxious

> weed,

> > > >that translates to, the cows won't eat it and it grows like crazy.

> > > >

> > > >It takes a lot of St. John's Wort plants to make tincture.

> > > >We only use the flowers.

> > > >Since it takes many acres to produce a quart of tincture it seems

more

> > practical to wildcraft if possible.

> > >

> > > Sure, if you only use the flowers -- but then, you get tincture that's

> > > almost as good if you snip the upper 2-3 inches in full flower, at a

> > > LOT less work.

> > >

> > > SJW picking strategies:

> > > - if you want a tincture that'll knock the socks off you, pick only

the

> > >   buds. A couple caveats: when the plant is in bud you can't even see

> it

> > >   in the high grass of the meadow, and the buds are very small. You'll

> > >   still be picking them next year if you try for a quart.

> > > - if you want a tincture that has more zing than any you can buy, pick

> > >   2-3 " of the flowering tops. This is a -lot- faster. The plant will

> > >   make more flowers in another two weeks, so if you want more than one

> > >   harvest from the same meadow, be there later on, too.

> > > - if you want a tincture that's about what you can buy from reputable

> > >   companies, pick the whole flowering plant.

> > > - if you want -bad- Hypericum, pick the whole plant, leave it in your

> > >   shed for three years or so (if you don't want to you don't have to

> > >   turn it during this drying process, nobody's going to notice the

> > >   mildew anyway...), powder it and put it into capsules. Or pills.

> > >

> > > My SJW tinctures? They're so deep red that you can't see through a

> > one-ounce

> > > dropper bottle. That's flowering tops, but that's SJW growing up here

> in

> > the

> > > north, with loooong summer days.

> > >

> > > Cheers

> > > Henriette

> > >

> > > --

> > > hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland

> http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

> > >                  -+- Added more to King's Dispensatory -+-

> > > Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff,

> archives...

> >

> >

> >









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Subject: Re: Energy Herbs

From: "aq" <aq@aq.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:29:07 +0100

--------

Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message :

f6e3ds4g9h9lo2fkl2jboji41eta0hinr1@4ax.com...

> mouser <gmouser@iamnow.net> wrote:

> >> What proof alcohol?

> >> SJW picking strategies:

> >> - if you want a tincture that'll knock the socks off you, pick only the

> >>   buds. A couple caveats: when the plant is in bud you can't even see

it

> >>   in the high grass of the meadow, and the buds are very small. You'll

> >>   still be picking them next year if you try for a quart.

> >> - if you want a tincture that has more zing than any you can buy, pick

> >>   2-3 " of the flowering tops.

> >

> >2-3" in the bottom of the bottle or 2-3" below the flower?

>

> You ever seen a flowering bottle? If so, pick the tops. No, better yet,

pick the

> seeds, my expenses for bottles are quite high.

>

> If not, pick the flowering tops of the plant.

>

> Henriette



Bottles certainly are expensive.  Growing your own is a good idea !

BTW, Henriette, although being new to this newsgroup, I would like to tell

you how useful your website and its wealth of information is to me.  Is the

"King's American Dispensatory" part of it too ? I mean, did you put it

yourself on the web ? Although a bit antiquated, it still is very useful, if

one keeps in mind that medicine has evolved.

An amateur tincture maker











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Subject: Re: Energy Herbs

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:19:42 +0200

--------

"aq" <aq@aq.com> wrote:

>BTW, Henriette, although being new to this newsgroup, I would like to tell

>you how useful your website and its wealth of information is to me.  Is the

>"King's American Dispensatory" part of it too ? I mean, did you put it

>yourself on the web ?



Yes.

Henriette



--

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Subject: Re: Energy Herbs

From: "aq" <aq@aq.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:42:24 +0100

--------

Veronica <paradisehealth@home.com> wrote in message :

bRBz4.26795$Dv1.319333@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com...

> Try looking at Paradisehealyh.com

>

> bobby-t@canada.com

>

>

> "MzMelanieKay" <mzmelaniekay@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:20000313102531.00652.00000703@ng-cl1.aol.com...

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I'm new to this group and in the past couple of years have become

> increasingly

> > curious about herbs and its uses. Last year I grew only a very, very

small

> > array of herbs on my front porch, but hope to expand that this year!

> Anyway, I

> > am interested to know if anyone has suggestions on herbs that help with

> low

> > energy. St. John's Wort was suggested to me but it made me feel very

> skittish

> > and well, just "yuck."  Any help is appreciated! :-)



You could also try Kola nuts (for a limited time).  You can't grow them at

home, and they contain some alkaloid (caffeine, maybe others) which means

you can't take too much as it may have side effects on your nervous system

if take iinconsiderately, but just yesterday I  read they are great for

states of weakness.

Look up at http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/eclectic/main/index.html

I am not sure whether the end of the URL is correct, but it's easy to find.

It's a great source for useful information on a great number of herbs.

An amateur tincture maker









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Subject: Re: Energy Herbs

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:13:48 +0200

--------

"aq" <aq@aq.com> wrote:

>You could also try Kola nuts (for a limited time).  You can't grow them at

>home, and they contain some alkaloid (caffeine, maybe others) which means

>you can't take too much as it may have side effects on your nervous system

>if take iinconsiderately, but just yesterday I  read they are great for

>states of weakness.

>Look up at http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/eclectic/main/index.html

>I am not sure whether the end of the URL is correct, but it's easy to find.

>It's a great source for useful information on a great number of herbs.



I think you want this one:

http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/eclectic/kings/main.html



Cheers

Henriette



--

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Subject: Re: Energy Herbs

From: c_thomas_wild@my-deja.com

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 01:44:49 GMT

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In article <20000313102531.00652.00000703@ng-cl1.aol.com>,

mzmelaniekay@aol.com (MzMelanieKay) wrote:

> Hello everyone,

>

> I'm new to this group and in the past couple of years have become

increasingly

> curious about herbs and its uses. Last year I grew only a very, very

small

> array of herbs on my front porch, but hope to expand that this year!

Anyway, I

> am interested to know if anyone has suggestions on herbs that help

with low

> energy. St. John's Wort was suggested to me but it made me feel very

skittish

> and well, just "yuck." Any help is appreciated! :-)

>

> Thanks in advance,

> Melanie

>

The coffee bean can slightly increase energy in some people (not all).

When a large sample of people is looked at one group finds the coffee

bean helpful, another group sees it as neutral, and still another group

sees it as unwanted and chooses to avoid it. The most common way of

using the coffee bean is by drinking a cup of coffee.





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment-FAQ

From: Rastapoodle <herblady@newsguy.com>

Date: 13 Mar 2000 10:46:43 -0800

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In article <u9sDYYQj$GA.255@cpmsnbbsa05>, "Slick says...

>

><<You didn't check out the FAQ first before you posted?

>That will give you the scope of this newsgroup.>>

>

>I join my newsgroups through Outlook Express and so far I have yet to see

>FAQ's there or posted here on the NG.

>I see nothing wrong with someone asking for something such as this person

>did as we are in an herbs NG, although I also agree that no one should post

>the answer.  Nothing wrong with someone asking sheesh.

>The answer to the original post though can be found if you look.  Do a

>search online, or go to an occult bookstore.

>

>SilverMoon



The two FAQS -- one on Culinary herbs and the other on Medicinal -- are

published once a month here and in some other herb/gardening NGs. Henriette does

the honors, usually around the 20th of the month. Check her sig line for the

website where she maintains them. You can download them from there. Her site is

great because it contains a 'search' function. Makes research easy.



There is no problem with anyone asking a question on this NG, but we are very

wary when it involves hallucinogenic or poisonous plants. No sheesh needed, it

is said under the breath enough by regulars here who see these requests pop up

over the years. No way we want to be involved with giving out recipes for abuse

to novices that are just interested in a quick high. If someone is serious

enough, as you said, and as I said earlier in a post, let them do their own

research and take the consequences of that search upon their own heads.



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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment-FAQ

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 14 Mar 2000 17:53:06 GMT

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>

>I join my newsgroups through Outlook Express and so far I have yet to see

>FAQ's there or posted here on the NG.



Regardless,a general usenet "guideline" is that one should lurk a bit to see

what the lay of the land is before barging in and making a fool of ones self in

ngs.

 It's also not very good etiquette to come in and start arguing beligerantly

with the room "mother" as to the roots of the ng's title as did Wolff. 



Henriette posts the FAQ('s) at the beginning of every month and is an

invaluable source of knowledge ,advice & common sense. To act in  such a manner

is just plain disrespectful & rude.



Peace,

~*Jo*~   





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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment-FAQ

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 14 Mar 2000 18:05:31 GMT

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>Henriette posts the FAQ('s) at the beginning of every month...



oops!...or around the 20th or so as Anya posted...lolol..i just know i see it

every month...lol 











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Subject: Re: Flying Ointment-FAQ

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 16 Mar 2000 09:49:28 GMT

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>

Regardless,a general usenet "guideline" is that one should lurk a bit to see

what the lay of the land is before barging in and making a fool of ones self in

ngs.

>



One can download several hundred KB on the first trip to a busy newsgroup and

get a feel for the topics being discussed.  But on my early days in this

newsgroup, I saw a lot of flame wars and other garbage, signal/noise ratio was

very low.  There were even a few messages pointing to pornographic websites.



Some general Usenet guidelines can be found in newsgroup news.announce.newusers



If you go into a very low-activity newsgroup, there may be few or no messages

there to guide a new person.



Henriette's FAQs can be found at http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed if one doesn't

want to wait for them to appear in this newsgroup.



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Subject: Business Opportunities

From: Carl Hruza <carlh@netnet.net>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:44:42 -0600

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Hi,

I want to start an on-line business selling herbal products through an

affiliate/distributor program, does anyone have any useful ideas?



Carl

http://connectgreenbay.com

mailto:carl@connectgreenbay.com









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Subject: raspberry for car sickness

From: "K. Heilenman" <kheilenm@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:26:07 -0600

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Just read in this month's Ms Magazine that red raspberry leaf is effective

against motion sickness.  Have never heard of this but am interested since

I have a dog who suffers a lot from car sickness (and have already tried

ginger, OTC meds, valerian, etc... all to no avail even at double doses).

Kathy











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Subject: Re: raspberry for car sickness

From: eggs@telusxplanet.net (elaine & glenn)

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:43:20 GMT

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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:26:07 -0600, "K. Heilenman"

<kheilenm@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:



>Just read in this month's Ms Magazine that red raspberry leaf is effective

>against motion sickness.  Have never heard of this but am interested since

>I have a dog who suffers a lot from car sickness (and have already tried

>ginger, OTC meds, valerian, etc... all to no avail even at double doses).



Don't know about raspberry but in people one of the best motion

sickness "cures" is the smell of lime. Just carry a fresh lime with

you and peel and sniff the skin if you get nauseous. Don't know if the

scent would help a dog or not!



Elaine





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Subject: Re: raspberry for car sickness

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 14 Mar 2000 17:34:17 GMT

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>Just read in this month's Ms Magazine that red raspberry leaf is effective

>against motion sickness.  



Actually the nausea accompanied with it. That is why it is often used for

morning sickness. Peppermint is good in both cases to. Give your dog a

peppermint candy. Most dogs(and owners) can benefit from it's other

(freshening)qualities as well.  :-) 



Peace,

~*Jo*~





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Subject: wild harvesters

From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

Date: 14 Mar 2000 07:04:36 GMT

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We have a little listing for wild harvester/crafters.

Send info about your products, or a link for your webpage.



http://www.ncf.ca/~bh295/wildherb.html



You have to go straight to the file 'cause temporarily

no link from bh295, will fix that soon.



Lee   bh295@ncf.ca

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     Fantasia in Green with Silver & Blonde

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Subject: tree/forest stories, poems wtd

From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

Date: 14 Mar 2000 07:09:35 GMT

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Hi,    I am collecting people's stories, anecdotes,

personal experiences, fiction, fantasy, poems, thoughts

and reflections that have to do with trees and forests.



To be published maybe towards the end of the year. It

will benefit trees, so author royalty is not likely

but of course you get credit and retain copyright.



Lee Murray 

bh295@ncf.ca

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Subject: What crop to grow?

From: "Peter Quigg" <Pquigg@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:04:15 GMT

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     Does anyone have any idea of what herbal crops may be good to grow on a

wholesale basis?  I have an acre sized field near my house in northeastern

Pennsylvania that I would like to do something agricultural with, but I'm

not sure what to plant.  It will obviously be something for full sunlight

and hopefully somewhat deer resistant.  I was considering Purple Coneflower,

but I've learned the market is glutted and there is no immediate demand for

that particular herb.  I have fifteen years of landscaping experience so I

have the equipment and the green thumb, but I'm not sure what sort of crop

might be in demand these days.  I have had a site consultation and a soil

test for growing woodland herbs, now I want to do something with my sunny

field.  Thanks for any possible words of wisdom.



Peter Quigg











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Subject: Re: What crop to grow?

From: Acorn <oakwood@forest.net>

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:26:26 +1300

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evening primrose

calendula

lavender

tea tree

comfrey

vervain





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Subject: Re: What crop to grow?

From: garlicgr@pond.com (The Tetrad)

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:36:54 GMT

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 "Peter Quigg" <PQuigg@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>     Does anyone have any idea of what herbal crops may be good to grow on a

>wholesale basis? 



No, but check out http://www.herbnet.com/



It contains links to a *very* respected herbal trade group that is based in PA 

where folks can definately help you find a market and decide what to grow.



 I have an acre sized field near my house in northeastern

>Pennsylvania that I would like to do something agricultural with, but I'm

>not sure what to plant.  It will obviously be something for full sunlight

>and hopefully somewhat deer resistant. 



That's why I grow garlic -- deer don't like alliums much.  (Well, one *did* 

take a bite out of one of my leeks last season, but it was only one bite and 

they never did *that* again! ;-))



>  I have had a site consultation and a soil

>test for growing woodland herbs, now I want to do something with my sunny

>field.  Thanks for any possible words of wisdom.



Talk to the trade group -- they live for this sort of thing! :-)



Dinara, the garlic grower      

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Subject: can any one help with a circulation problem

From: switcherguy <quartz32NOquSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:48:43 -0800

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hi . some thing which ive being wondering for some time , is

there any herbs or complementry medicines which can increase the

flow of blood to the penis ? therefore increasing the size of

the erection . thanks





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Subject: Re: can any one help with a circulation problem

From: Bentley <bentl3y@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:18:35 GMT

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In article <28b29b7b.e1abd08e@usw-ex0102-084.remarq.com>,

switcherguy <quartz32NOquSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> hi . some thing which ive being wondering for some time , is

> there any herbs or complementry medicines which can increase the

> flow of blood to the penis ? therefore increasing the size of

> the erection . thanks

>

Sure. Ginkgo biloba, for example, improves the circulation to little

blood vessels throughout the body, including those in the penis. It's

pretty commonly used for that purpose, especially in older men. Then

there are herbs like Yohimbe that will actually increase the pressure

in the blood vessels. This has dramatic effects, but can also be

dangerous.



Bentley





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Subject: Re: can any one help with a circulation problem

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:53:21 GMT

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>increase the flow of blood to the penis ? therefore increasing the

>size of the penis



ah. another thing complementary medicine can`t do.









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Subject: Re: can any one help with a circulation problem

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:34:37 +0200

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crousoe@my-deja.com wrote:

>>increase the flow of blood to the penis ? therefore increasing the

>>size of the penis

>

>ah. another thing complementary medicine can`t do.



You must be joking. 



You compare something that's not even medicine, that's more or less cosmetic,

that's generally accomplished with surgery, to gentle holistic healing?



Huh.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: can any one help with a circulation problem

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:54:04 GMT

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>You compare something that's not even medicine, that's more or

>less cosmetic, that's generally accomplished with surgery, to gentle

>holistic healing?



The guy wanted to do this:



>>increasing the size of the erection



So for me in this case it`s herbs (+yohimbe, gingko etc.) versus Viagra.





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Subject: Re: can any one help with a circulation problem

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:42:31 -0500

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Actually (I'm racking my brain) I think I did see a KIND of an herbal thing

for this, but it's bizarre, and via the medical profession. IF I am correct,

we had a guy come in who had been taking papaverine for erections. And it

had worked too well. They had to 'deflate' him with injections of

epinephrine. He had achieved the condition known as priapism- an erection

that wouldn't go down. Painful, and if it's sustained too long I think it

can cause gangrene. I THINK it was papaverine. That is one of the things

that comes from opium poppy. So- it's herbal, but probably not legal without

a doctor's perscription.

all hail the mighty medical degree..



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>

> >You compare something that's not even medicine, that's more or

> >less cosmetic, that's generally accomplished with surgery, to gentle

> >holistic healing?

>

> The guy wanted to do this:

>

> >>increasing the size of the erection

>

> So for me in this case it`s herbs (+yohimbe, gingko etc.) versus Viagra.

>

>

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Subject: Tea Tree Oil - help

From: Taliesin_2 <taliesin2@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:37:41 GMT

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I have been using tee tree oil for a fungus on my one big toe. The

nail and the crusty stuff underneath has turned black and hard. I am

assuming that this means that the nail will eventually fall off. Is

this a normal reaction? Thanks.



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Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil - help

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 15 Mar 2000 19:35:55 GMT

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>I have been using tee tree oil for a fungus on my one big toe. The

>nail and the crusty stuff underneath has turned black and hard. I am

>assuming that this means that the nail will eventually fall off. Is

>this a normal reaction? Thanks.



Yes.  Tea Tree oil is a great anifungal but unfortunately it wont work against

fungus attacks on finger nails and Toe nails.  In these situations the fungus

lies deep within the nail bed and there is no way for you to apply the oil to

the infected part.  The deformity of the nail itself is caused by that fungus

but is not the fungus itself.  The only way to get rid of this problem is to

see your doctor.  He will subscribe a specific antibiotic, pill, that will kill

the fungus.  Unfortunately the fungus itself is imune to all but the strongest

of drugs so it looks like that herbs would not be the most effective means of

clearing the infection up.  You can use tea tree oil to prevent future

infestations once you do get treated.  Apply the oil once a day with a Q-tip

around the cuticle area.  This will prevent future outbreaks.  Also it is a

good Idea to use a strong sanatizer in the bathtub or shower.  Use a kind that

specificly says "antifungul".  Just as in plantar worts, the fungus is spread

in damp locations and the bathroom provides an ideal environment.  Also avoid

walking barefoot since the fungus is extremely abundant in wet soil.  This

would also prevent infection with plantar worts wich are caused by a virus wich

is found in the soil all over the world.



Good Luck

Jason





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Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil - help

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:59:19 +0200

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gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason) wrote:

>>I have been using tee tree oil for a fungus on my one big toe. The

>>nail and the crusty stuff underneath has turned black and hard. I am

>>assuming that this means that the nail will eventually fall off. Is

>>this a normal reaction? Thanks.

>

>Yes.  Tea Tree oil is a great anifungal but unfortunately it wont work against

>fungus attacks on finger nails and Toe nails.  In these situations the fungus

>lies deep within the nail bed and there is no way for you to apply the oil to

>the infected part.  



The usual way around that is to use a nailfile and make the nail thinner. Then

apply tea tree oil on the thinner nail. You still have to be at it a -long-

time, at least three months but better six.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil - help

From: gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason)

Date: 16 Mar 2000 23:25:14 GMT

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>The usual way around that is to use a nailfile and make the nail thinner.

>Then

>apply tea tree oil on the thinner nail. You still have to be at it a -long-

>time, at least three months but better six.

>



Yeah, but that's more of a cosmetic application.  The yellow, brittle and

deformed nail is not due to a fungus living "on" the nail but because the

fungus lives way down in the location where the nail first developes.  There is

no way for the tee tree oil to reach that location.  You can file as much of

the deformed nail as you want but if you don't treat the source of the problem

then you will always have nail fungus.  Tee tree oil works great to prevent

future infection but would not clear up existing ones.



Jason





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Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil - help

From: LindaN <lindan@aiconnect.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:32:24 -0500

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:59:19 +0200, Henriette Kress

<hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:



>gammonjason@aol.com (Gammon Jason) wrote:

>>>I have been using tee tree oil for a fungus on my one big toe. The

>>>nail and the crusty stuff underneath has turned black and hard. I am

>>>assuming that this means that the nail will eventually fall off. Is

>>>this a normal reaction? Thanks.

>>

>>Yes.  Tea Tree oil is a great anifungal but unfortunately it wont work against

>>fungus attacks on finger nails and Toe nails.  In these situations the fungus

>>lies deep within the nail bed and there is no way for you to apply the oil to

>>the infected part.  

>

>The usual way around that is to use a nailfile and make the nail thinner. Then

>apply tea tree oil on the thinner nail. You still have to be at it a -long-

>time, at least three months but better six.



Except fugus on the toenails or other nails is an outward indication

of a deeper problem.  Treat oneself systemically with natural

antifungals, probiotics, and a yeast free, sugar free, diet, and then

address the liver,  and address the chemicals in one's life and you

will most likely never suffer from fungal infections of the nails ever

again.



Linda

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Subject: Re: Vervain:  Where Can I Find It?

From: catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 05:08:24 GMT

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Dread_not wrote:

> 

> Getting tired of buying herbs at the store all the time, is there 

> somewhere to find a well stocked herb garden "kit"?  Not the kitchen 

> herb variety. But a rather, complete one where I don't have to go 

> hunting seeds.

> 

> Dread_not



Some herbs grow better from cuttings than from seeds and some have very

specific climatic and cultural needs, so not all can -- or should -- be

grown from seeds. Your local nursery may sell potted culinary and

medical-magical herbs in the 4" pot size, which is a good way to acquire

some of the basic perennials. I have found nice starts of rue, hyssop,

mugwort, feverfew, and other non-culinary herbs in this way. 



I have crossposted your request to alt.folklore.herbs because the pople

who post there may have answers -- and if they do, i hope they crosspost

back to alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic, where the question

originated, as there are many "kitchen witches" here who would like to

grow their own medical-magical herbs. 



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Subject: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: alkaloid@x-networks.net

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 05:50:19 GMT

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Mon, Mar 13, 2000



Scientists: Herbal remedies need research



By ESTES THOMPSON (Associated Press)



CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- Herbal remedies generally are safe, but at least

one can cause severe liver damage -- evidence that much more research

into the popular products is needed, scientists at an international

conference said.



The scientists counseled prudence in using herbal medicines because so

little is known about them. Nearly a third of the adult U.S.

population spends $4 billion a year on herbs, which are sold as food

rather than regulated drugs.



"Is it a waste of money? Is it dangerous? We don't have enough data to

know," said Lenore Arab, professor of epidemiology and nutrition at

the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, which sponsored the

conference.

   

One of the herbs discussed at the meeting was comfrey, a root-derived

remedy that is widely available in the United States and is taken for

its purported anti-inflammatory and antibacterial properties.



Felix Stickel of the University of Erlangen and Salem Medical Center

in Heidelberg, Germany, said the herb should be restricted as it is in

Germany and Canada.



Not only are the effects of comfrey unproven in limited clinical

studies, it appears to destroy small veins in the liver and can result

in abdominal pain, liver enlargement and liver failure, Stickel said.



"It is difficult to understand why comfrey ... is still freely

available in the United States," Stickel said.



Other speakers at the conference said many other herbal remedies

appear no more dangerous than aspirin, but far less understood.



"We need to convince the producers to put some money into research on

these products," said Varro Tyler, an herbal medicine expert at Purdue

University.



Speakers covered the most popular remedies: St. John's wort for

depression, garlic for cholesterol and anticancer uses, gingko biloba

for treating dementia, ginseng as a tonic, saw palmetto for urological

problems, echinacea for colds and to enhance the immune system and

feverfew to treat migraine headaches.



Tyler said a system should be developed to regulate herbal remedies

without the stringent requirements for synthetic drugs enforced by the

Food and Drug Administration. The FDA issued new rules in January to

liberalize the claims that can be made about herbal remedies, but the

conference participants said what herb users need is more information.



"There is absolutely no way that consumers can be assured that what is

on the label is actually in the package, other than the reputation of

the producer," Tyler said.





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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: dave@nospam.thanks (Dave)

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:36:44 GMT

--------

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 05:50:19 GMT, alkaloid@x-networks.net wrote:



>Mon, Mar 13, 2000

>

>Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

>

>By ESTES THOMPSON (Associated Press)

>

>CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- Herbal remedies generally are safe, but at least

>one can cause severe liver damage -- evidence that much more research

>into the popular products is needed, scientists at an international

>conference said.

>

Yes... there are a few herbs you have to be it careful with, but put

it into perspective.



Here in the uk we are now being told that anti-inflamatories (like

aspirin and ibuprofen) kill around 2000 people every year - more than

cervical cancer.



Your turn.



Dave





















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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:43:39 GMT

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>Here in the uk we are now being told that anti-inflamatories (like

>aspirin and ibuprofen) kill around 2000 people every year - more than

>cervical cancer.



>Your turn.



This statement might be 100% true but is it a valid argument in

this case?



The essence of the article I think was this:



"Many people think that herbs are not dangerous and there are no

risks to be expected so any herbal remedies is safe -

but some herbs can be dangerous and some herbal remedies are

risky"



This does not necessarily imply that you shouldn`t use herbs and

you should use drugs as you seem to think.

On the contrary - it says "Herbal remedies generally are safe" !!





Crousoe





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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: "Carman" <calm@wave.co.nz>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:02:11 +1200

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<crousoe@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8aoslq$7it$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

>

>

> >Here in the uk we are now being told that anti-inflamatories (like

> >aspirin and ibuprofen) kill around 2000 people every year - more than

> >cervical cancer.

>

> >Your turn.

>

> This statement might be 100% true but is it a valid argument in

> this case?

>

> The essence of the article I think was this:

>

> "Many people think that herbs are not dangerous and there are no

> risks to be expected so any herbal remedies is safe -

> but some herbs can be dangerous and some herbal remedies are

> risky"

>

> This does not necessarily imply that you shouldn`t use herbs and

> you should use drugs as you seem to think.

> On the contrary - it says "Herbal remedies generally are safe" !!

>

>

> Crousoe

>

>

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it would also be interesting to study how many people die from various

orthodox medicines and prateces

a dear friend of our family died in the dentist chair about 30 years ago

anesthetic killed him

heard of other such stories similar

people going to hospitals with a flu, dying of heart failure while in there

suchlike stories makes me wonder if a study needs to be done

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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: "Karen" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:06:21 GMT

--------

Sure herbs can hurt people, so can a car if you don't know how to drive. It

is up to us to do the research and learn about possible side effects or

herbs that should not be taken with certain meds..etc.. More research would

be great but not if it makes herbs less available.



Some useful herbs are harmful when not used correctly, in too high of doses

or when taken in combination with prescription meds. Herbal medicine is self

medication and it is up to the user to learn what can be dangerous. What I

do not want to see is helicopters flying about looking for St. John's Wort

to confiscate, I don't want to see other herbs maligned like Marijuana is.



And what scares me worse than Marijuana is all the "legal" subsitutes that

have not been researched and are used recklessly sometimes with disastrous

consequences. Will we end up with legal subsitutes for ephedra and other

potentially dangerous herbs?



Off my soap box,

Karen Shelton

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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:26:09 GMT

--------



>What I do not want to see is helicopters flying about looking for St.

>John's Wort to confiscate.



I read in another forum that it has been banned recently in Ireland.

Can anyone confirm this?? What exactly has been banned and why?



Crousoe





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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: "robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:35:55 -0000

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<crousoe@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8at17v$7gk$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

>

> >What I do not want to see is helicopters flying about looking for St.

> >John's Wort to confiscate.

>

> I read in another forum that it has been banned recently in Ireland.

> Can anyone confirm this?? What exactly has been banned and why?

>

> Crousoe



Hi, again, honey. Yes, all SJW products have been limited to prescription

only use in Ireland, as of 1st Jan 2000. The main reason given was that the

Irish Medicines Board believes that mild to moderate depression, as a

medical condition, should only be treated by registered medical

practitioners, and the widespread availability of an antidepressant of

PROVEN (my caps) efficacy might deter people from visiting their doctor.



The other reason was worry over possible side-effects. The first one of

these is the theory that SJW may act as an MAOI, and that therefore there

may be interactions with tyramine in food or drugs with consequent risk of

hypertensive crises. The fact that the IMB has been unable to come up with a

single case of this occurring in reality, and that most experts believe the

MAOI action of SJW to be mythical, has not deterred them.



They have also claimed that there has been 34 adverse events associated with

SJW listed by the FDA, but bizarrely, give a website as the reference for

this! Nobody else seems to know what these adverse events are.



The other main worry over side-effects is due to the claim that SJW could

cause cataracts. This is based on an experiment in which proteins from

calves eyes were mixed with hypericin (once thought to be the "active

constituent" of SJW, probably a rather insignificant constituent) at a

quantity equivalent to several thousand times the recommended dose of the

whole herb and then exposed to light. Damage was caused to some of the

proteins. Quite what relevance this has to taking the whole herb orally is

unclear, and again, no eye problems have been reported in any of the many

trials of SJW.



More significant is the discovery of the interaction of SJW with certain

prescription drugs, in which the SJW increases the elimination of these

drugs via the liver. The drugs affected are cyclosporin (used to prevent

transplant rejection), anticonvulsants, digoxin, theophylline, warfarin and

certain anti-HIV drugs. You will note that these are all pretty major toxic

drugs (although vital for their users), and the poor herb can hardly be

blamed for thinking they should be got rid of! However, users of these drugs

should certainly avoid SJW, and all other self-prescribed herbal remedies,

unless they have discussed it with their consultant. In addition, there's a

theory that the effectiveness of oral contraceptives may be reduced,

although there's currently no evidence that this is actually happening, and

given the fact that several hundred million units of SJW are taken each year

worldwide - more by women than by men - you would think there would have

been some hard evidence. Patients are also

advised to avoid taking St John's wort alongside certain types of

antidepressants (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, such as

floxetine), and triptan drugs used to prevent migraine, because of the

possibility of potentiation of the drugs and perhaps serotonin syndrome

(probably only likely in the elderly).



There is a lot of campaigning being done to try to reverse this decision, or

at least allow professional herbalists in Ireland - who are after all the

people best qualified to know when SJW is appropriate - to prescribe it as

well as the doctors, who do not necessarily know anything about herbs. There

seems after all to be absolutely no dispute that the safety record of SJW,

especially if used alone, way exceeds that of any drug antidepressant, and

its efficacy is now generally considered proven.



Hope this answers your questions.



Robyn















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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:56:44 GMT

--------

Hi again bittersweet, thank you for your answer.



It seems exaggerated to limit the products to prescription only use.

But I think it is necessary that there is someone between the product

and the customer who knows about risks and knows what is relevant about

it and is able to tell this to the customer - like a herbalist /

pharmacist / doctor etc.

It should not be sold without good advice like in a supermarket.



- supposing that the interactions are relevant and thinking of the fact

that depression can indeed be a serious condition with a high mortality

from suicide if it is not properly treated.



So this person `in between` should:



- be educated and know about depressions and know which ones can

  be treated with SJW

- be able to communicate

- check if there are interactions

- tell the patient that it takes a while before it starts working

- tell the patient how to take the product



For some of us this may seem trivial but people don`t necessarily read

PPIs or they don`t understand them (they are not necessarily

comprehenable or complete, maybe there is no PPI).



Crousoe





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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: "robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:57:02 -0000

--------

Yeah, fair enough, I'd probably agree with that (but then I would, wouldn't

I - more business for me - rubs hands with glee). Personally, I think that

SJW is quite low down the list of herbs for which OTC sale carries risks - I

would legislate against Kelp first (if I see one more patient on

inappropriate Kelp, I will scream) and maybe Korean Ginseng. Having said

that, the problem rests more with the general lack of respect shown to herbs

and not with their potential dangers - the way that they are currently sold

encourages the way of thinking that sees them as food supplements and not as

substances with potent medicinal effects. There would not be a problem if

people treated them with half the respect they give to OTC pharmaceuticals,

and if proper labelling was allowed.



Robyn





<crousoe@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8b2bpa$b79$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Hi again bittersweet, thank you for your answer.

>

> It seems exaggerated to limit the products to prescription only use.

> But I think it is necessary that there is someone between the product

> and the customer who knows about risks and knows what is relevant about

> it and is able to tell this to the customer - like a herbalist /

> pharmacist / doctor etc.

> It should not be sold without good advice like in a supermarket.

>

> - supposing that the interactions are relevant and thinking of the fact

> that depression can indeed be a serious condition with a high mortality

> from suicide if it is not properly treated.

>

> So this person `in between` should:

>

> - be educated and know about depressions and know which ones can

>   be treated with SJW

> - be able to communicate

> - check if there are interactions

> - tell the patient that it takes a while before it starts working

> - tell the patient how to take the product

>

> For some of us this may seem trivial but people don`t necessarily read

> PPIs or they don`t understand them (they are not necessarily

> comprehenable or complete, maybe there is no PPI).

>

> Crousoe

>

>

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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass-nospam.net>

Date: 21 Mar 2000 10:46:47 GMT

--------

>

Yeah, fair enough, I'd probably agree with that (but then I would, wouldn't

I - more business for me - rubs hands with glee). Personally, I think that

SJW is quite low down the list of herbs for which OTC sale carries risks - I

would legislate against Kelp first (if I see one more patient on

inappropriate Kelp, I will scream) and maybe Korean Ginseng. Having said

that, the problem rests more with the general lack of respect shown to herbs

and not with their potential dangers - the way that they are currently sold

encourages the way of thinking that sees them as food supplements and not as

substances with potent medicinal effects. There would not be a problem if

people treated them with half the respect they give to OTC pharmaceuticals,

and if proper labelling was allowed.

>



Robyn,



How is kelp so dangerous?  Kelp/kombu, wakame and other seaweeds are popular in

Oriental cuisine and are sold in Oriental grocery stores, thought of as food

rather than drug.  Ginger, garlic and cayenne are popular in various ethnic

cuisines.  The line between food and medicinal is not always crystal-clear.

There was even a book by the title, "Food Is Your Best Medicine".  Raw pineapple

has a protein-digesting enzyme, bromelain.  John Lust's Herb Book has some

entries that are common foods (carrot, onion, turnip, apple and others).  Some

herbs, like alfalfa, are mild enough to be regarded as a food supplement.  Some

herbs, such as plantain (plantago), dandelion and chickweed are safe to eat as

vegetables even if one is ignorant of herbal medicine.







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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: "robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:53:50 -0000

--------





Thomas Mueller <tmueller@bluegrass-nospam.net> wrote in message

> How is kelp so dangerous?  Kelp/kombu, wakame and other seaweeds are

popular in

> Oriental cuisine and are sold in Oriental grocery stores, thought of as

food

> rather than drug.



The problems that I come across are with patients who are hyperthyroid being

sold high dosage kelp supplement as a "Thyroid balancer". It causes

increased palpitations and worsening of other hyperthyroid symptoms. In an

Oriental culture they are aware of the medicinal properties of their foods

and would therefore know that there are times when they are not good, just

the same as there are times when they are particularly indicated. Also most

foods would suit some but not all temperaments - just because something is a

good food for one person does not mean that it is a good food for everyone

in the way that the Western mind thinks. So, eg a person with a cold

temperament might benefit from ginger, etc in the diet, but that might not

suit a hot type person.



Robyn









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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass-nospam.net>

Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:27:36 GMT

--------

>

The problems that I come across are with patients who are hyperthyroid being

sold high dosage kelp supplement as a "Thyroid balancer". It causes

increased palpitations and worsening of other hyperthyroid symptoms. In an

Oriental culture they are aware of the medicinal properties of their foods

and would therefore know that there are times when they are not good, just

the same as there are times when they are particularly indicated. Also most

foods would suit some but not all temperaments - just because something is a

good food for one person does not mean that it is a good food for everyone

in the way that the Western mind thinks. So, eg a person with a cold

temperament might benefit from ginger, etc in the diet, but that might not

suit a hot type person.

>



I guess people who see "Thyroid balancer" don't always know it's supposed to

balance an underactive thyroid rather than an overactive thyroid.  Name by

itself is unclear, but people need to read further.  A lot of other foods and

beverages can cause harm when used inappropriately: salt, sugar, beer, coffee,

so I can't see kelp as one of the more dangerous food items.







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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: "robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:17:40 -0000

--------

True enough. I guess it is a personal thing - this is just one that drives

me mad, because the idiots in my local health food shop keep on doing it  -

"Of course it is fine for a hyperactive thyroid too - it's balancing!" They

carry no information that would tell you that this is a bad idea - they sell

unlabelled capsules.



Robyn

Thomas Mueller <tmueller@bluegrass-nospam.net> wrote in message

news:953810856.580996@news.bluegrass.net...



> I guess people who see "Thyroid balancer" don't always know it's supposed

to

> balance an underactive thyroid rather than an overactive thyroid.  Name by

> itself is unclear, but people need to read further.  A lot of other foods

and

> beverages can cause harm when used inappropriately: salt, sugar, beer,

coffee,

> so I can't see kelp as one of the more dangerous food items.

>









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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: "Kinney/Reid" <kinney-reid@email.msn.com>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:47:22 -0800

--------

If we make a foolproof world, we make a world in which only fools can live.

(attributed to?)

ember











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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:17:41 GMT

--------

In article <#gSUYsek$GA.268@cpmsnbbsa02>,

"Kinney/Reid" <kinney-reid@email.msn.com> wrote:

> If we make a foolproof world, we make a world in which only fools can

>live.

> (attributed to?)



Charles Darwin? hmmm...





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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: "Eddie @home" <jeb@cae.ca>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:01:47 -0500

--------

Wow.  Thank you Robyn for a marvelous post.  I was thinking of

self-medicating with SJW to compensate for mild depressive bouts

brought on after quitting smoking.  Your post hasn't convinced me to

go one way or the other, but it has given me much more knowledge to

work with and whatever decision I make will be better based due to

this new information.  Thanks again, and have a nice day !



Eddie



robyn <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:8b0pc8$e7m$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...

> <crousoe@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:8at17v$7gk$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> >

> > >What I do not want to see is helicopters flying about looking for

St.

> > >John's Wort to confiscate.

> >

> > I read in another forum that it has been banned recently in

Ireland.

> > Can anyone confirm this?? What exactly has been banned and why?

> >

> > Crousoe

>

> Hi, again, honey. Yes, all SJW products have been limited to

prescription

> only use in Ireland, as of 1st Jan 2000. The main reason given was

that the

> Irish Medicines Board believes that mild to moderate depression, as

a

> medical condition, should only be treated by registered medical

> practitioners, and the widespread availability of an antidepressant

of

> PROVEN (my caps) efficacy might deter people from visiting their

doctor.



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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: LindaN <lindan@aiconnect.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:46:21 -0500

--------

On 17 Mar 2000 03:04:02 GMT, herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist) wrote:



>>Not only are the effects of comfrey unproven in limited clinical

>>studies, it appears to destroy small veins in the liver and can result

>>in abdominal pain, liver enlargement and liver failure, Stickel said.

>>

>>"It is difficult to understand why comfrey ... is still freely

>>available in the United States," Stickel said.

>

>Actually what I have always found to be hard to understand is why the FDA

>approved ibuprofen after it killed 2 dozen people during clinical trials from

>hepatitis. Not only was it approved, but it is avialable over the counter, and

>a childrens version is now available.



Although Prozac is not yet available over the counter, it too killed

people during the clinical trials. 27.  And the death toll from Prozac

continues to rise.  And yet this poisonous stuff is now being

prescribed for such non-serious conditions as PMS.



Its money people. Thats all it is.



Linda







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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: karidragon@aol.com (KariDragon)

Date: 27 Mar 2000 04:43:42 GMT

--------

Anyway, back the original thought behind this post...



I think it is really hard to regulate herbal remedies as they cannot control

what groes naturally. and being as there is so little left from the old ways

9by this I mean way back when herbs were used regularly to cure the sick) we

are having to learn all over again.



Persoannly, I am a chemistry student but I would really have loved to study

herbal medicine. But, there are no schools or even an approved curriculum for

such. 



So, we are having to dabble. But, how many of these drug companies are really

going to invest in the research? I mean, they are only going to invest in a

product that they alone can manufacture...not something that mather nature

provides. Anyone can grow herbs (well, those with green thumbs).



Kari Sedai







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Subject: Re: Scientists: Herbal remedies need research

From: Bentley <bentl3y@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:28:25 GMT

--------

In article <20000326234342.03527.00004220@ng-cs1.aol.com>,

karidragon@aol.com (KariDragon) wrote:

> Anyway, back the original thought behind this post...

>

> I think it is really hard to regulate herbal remedies as they cannot

control

> what groes naturally. and being as there is so little left from the

old ways

> 9by this I mean way back when herbs were used regularly to cure the

sick) we

> are having to learn all over again.

>

There have always been herbalists; although they were not very popular

in most parts of the US for a few decades, there are some places, like

parts of Appalachia, where they are the normal way of treating a sick

person.

> Persoannly, I am a chemistry student but I would really have loved to

study

> herbal medicine. But, there are no schools or even an approved

curriculum for

> such.

>

There are several good trade schools which teach herbal medicine.

There is also an approved educational curriculum. By this I mean, a

course of study outlining # of hours of study in each of various fields

relevant to practice as a clinical herbalist. This curriculum was come

up with by the American Herbalists Guild, a professional organization

for herbalists. Their webpage is at http://www.healthy.net/herbalists.

They have an office in Utah, and its phone # is (435) 722 8434. the

email is ahgoffice@earthlink.net,but you'd probably have better luck

calling them.

These folks don't sell vitamins or anything (individual members

might, I mean the office/organization doesn't). They'd be glad to talk

to you About the educational requirements, send information, etc.

> So, we are having to dabble. But, how many of these drug companies are

really

> going to invest in the research? I mean, they are only going to invest

in a

> product that they alone can manufacture...not something that mather

nature

> provides. Anyone can grow herbs (well, those with green thumbs).

>

> Kari Sedai

>

>

True. When scientists do research herbs, often the Protocol goes like:

1. Identify herbs which have been used for a particular purpose.

2. Perform an initial screening of the herbs for this action

3. Identify compounds which may be responsible for the action

4. Isolate the compounds and modify them chemically (to offset

undesirable effects and render them patentable)

5. Test the new compounds in non-human testcases

6. Perform clinical trials

Not a lot of herbage in there. This isn't always the case though, and

now a lot of research is focusing on how popularly used herbs effect

physiology, since their use is becoming quite common and physicians and

the like areoften asked about them by clients who use them.

Bentley

.





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Subject: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: jc5555@my-deja.com

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:03:54 GMT

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I am tyring to figure out why black walnut hulls can be such a powerful

stain when fresh?



What exactly is it in the hulls that does the staining?  Is it just the

organic iodine that is in it, or is it somthing else?



I'm ask this because I bought some black walnut crystals(crystalized

walnut hull dye), but they dont stain nearly as well as fresh walnut

hulls, and I want to know if there is somthing I can add to it(no

checmicals).





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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: "jim mcnamara" <csi_jimm@coopserv.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:24:05 -0700

--------

You asked - so if you don't like technical terminology, bail out now.



Black walnut husks contain water-soluble phenolic acids that can combine

chemically with proteins in skin (for example) and with other chemicals in

wood. When combined they impart a dark color.



Phenolic acids are very complex molecules with loads of carbon atoms

attached to neighboring carbon atoms by double bonds.  It is this very

sequence of double bonds that causes the some of compounds to act as a dye.



When exposed to air for long periods, some of the molecules oxidize (get

oxygen from the air) and lose their 'coloring power' because critical

double bonds are lost.  This is why the commercial powder (called cassia)is

less 'powerful'.



When penolic acids interact with proteins, they tend to denature (alter)

the proteins.  This is the reason why very few plants (including grass)

will grow well under mature walnut trees.  The phenolic acids in the nuts,

leaves, and bark are washed off the tree by rain and move into the soil.

There, they sit around waiting to damage the proteins in the root cells of

other plants.  They kill off most other plants, especially plants just

germinating from seed.  Sort of a nasty way to eliminate competitors - the

technical term is allelopathy.

The phenolics are referred to as allelotoxins.



jim mcnamara

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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: "D.L." <edlance@texas.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:09:38 GMT

--------





jim mcnamara <csi_jimm@coopserv.com> wrote in article

<8ar1pm$253$1@sloth.swcp.com>...

> You asked - so if you don't like technical terminology, bail out now.

> 

> Black walnut husks contain water-soluble phenolic acids that can combine

> chemically with proteins in skin (for example) and with other chemicals

in

> wood. When combined they impart a dark color.





			<snip of good stuff!>





	Jim,



	Just out of curiosity, do mesquite trees exude similar acids?  I ask

because all the trees on my property (except some oaks and a cypress that I

planted) are mesquite and for the life of me, I can't get grass to grow

anywhere near them.







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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:09:21 -0700

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"D.L." <edlance@texas.net> wrote:



>	Just out of curiosity, do mesquite trees exude similar acids?  I ask

>because all the trees on my property (except some oaks and a cypress that I

>planted) are mesquite and for the life of me, I can't get grass to grow

>anywhere near them.



  Mesquite trees have a VERY efficient root system from what I

remember.  They have their DEEP roots as much as a hundred feet

or more down into whatever sub-soil they can find.  They also

have a subsurface system that is semi-dormant but capable of

sprouting root hairs at the first sign of water and sucking it

all up.  Grass doesn't have much of a chance, because it has

permanent root hairs and can't compete.



  The tiny mesquite leaves are a very efficient mulching system,

so the grass might be suffocating. 



  The roots might exude a toxin as well.  



I have had luck with other drought tolerant plants, such as

Justicia, Aloes, some Iris, etc.  





Tsu Dho Nimh



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politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: Kasin Hunter <kasin@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:40:21 GMT

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During an herb class a few years ago, this subject of mesquite trees came up.

The herbalist/botanist said that mesquite trees exude a chemical into the soil

that deters other plants from growing so that the tree can get the nutrients. I

don't remember what the chemical was, except he related it to a soil sterilizer

for most plants, except the mesquite was immune, thus benefiting the tree.  This

same chemical helps to keep the tree healthy - antibacterial agent of some kind.



Kasin.



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:



> "D.L." <edlance@texas.net> wrote:

>

> >       Just out of curiosity, do mesquite trees exude similar acids?  I ask

> >because all the trees on my property (except some oaks and a cypress that I

> >planted) are mesquite and for the life of me, I can't get grass to grow

> >anywhere near them.

>

>   Mesquite trees have a VERY efficient root system from what I

> remember.  They have their DEEP roots as much as a hundred feet

> or more down into whatever sub-soil they can find.  They also

> have a subsurface system that is semi-dormant but capable of

> sprouting root hairs at the first sign of water and sucking it

> all up.  Grass doesn't have much of a chance, because it has

> permanent root hairs and can't compete.

>

>   The tiny mesquite leaves are a very efficient mulching system,

> so the grass might be suffocating.

>

>   The roots might exude a toxin as well.

>

> I have had luck with other drought tolerant plants, such as

> Justicia, Aloes, some Iris, etc.

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like

> politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or

> your kid and run for your life.







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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 05:04:53 -0700

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Kasin Hunter <kasin@flash.net> wrote:



>During an herb class a few years ago, this subject of mesquite trees came up.

>The herbalist/botanist said that mesquite trees exude a chemical into the soil

>that deters other plants from growing so that the tree can get the nutrients. 



I have no problem growing other drought-adapted plants under a

mesquite.  It's the water-loving ones that it kills off.

Mesquite are the "nurse" plant for a lot of the cacti and small

flowering plants. 



I think he was thinking of the creosote bush ... it leaves a

creosote slick in the soil to kill off competition. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: zhanataya <zhanataya@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:10:23 -0500

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Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> I think he was thinking of the creosote bush ... it leaves a

> creosote slick in the soil to kill off competition.

> 

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

Uh oh.  I have some creosote in containers I started from seed.  I was

planning on setting them out this year.  How far away from other plants

do they need to be?



Zhan





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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:49:03 -0700

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zhanataya <zhanataya@mindspring.com> wrote:



>Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

>> I think he was thinking of the creosote bush ... it leaves a

>> creosote slick in the soil to kill off competition.

>> 

>> Tsu Dho Nimh

>>

>Uh oh.  I have some creosote in containers I started from seed.  I was

>planning on setting them out this year.  How far away from other plants

>do they need to be?



The zone of death runs out to the ends of the branches.  Set them

in a loose cluster away from any plants you value, in the

sunniest spot and wo4rst soil you have and let them go wild.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



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politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: Ann <annbal@thecia.net>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:51:16 -0500

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"jim mcnamara" <csi_jimm@coopserv.com> expounded:



>When penolic acids interact with proteins, they tend to denature (alter)

>the proteins.  This is the reason why very few plants (including grass)

>will grow well under mature walnut trees.  



That was a wonderful explanation, however, one of my clients has a row

of mature walnut trees running up their drive, and the thickest lawn

you've ever seen underneath them.  I'm talking probably 14 trees along

a driveway 300' long (it curves).  What a mess those trees are,

though.  Brittle branches that snap in the wind, and the 'nuts' are

more like green baseballs, they're so big!



-- 

Ann, Gardening in Zone 6a

Just south of Boston, MA

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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: mikehide@atl.mediaone.net (mike hide)

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:48:45 GMT

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:03:54 GMT, jc5555@my-deja.com wrote:



>I am tyring to figure out why black walnut hulls can be such a powerful

>stain when fresh?

>

>What exactly is it in the hulls that does the staining?  Is it just the

>organic iodine that is in it, or is it somthing else?

>

>I'm ask this because I bought some black walnut crystals(crystalized

>walnut hull dye), but they dont stain nearly as well as fresh walnut

>hulls, and I want to know if there is somthing I can add to it(no

>checmicals).

>

>

>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

>Before you buy.

I also have a question ,when you hear about making the stain from

walnut husks [english walnut husks do the same thing]instead of

steeping them in water [and producing a water stain] why not steep

them in denatured alcohol and make a NGR stain..????mjh





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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: frank.logullo@dol.net (Frank Logullo)

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:03:18 GMT

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In article <8aptg8$vjc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, jc5555@my-deja.com wrote:

>I am tyring to figure out why black walnut hulls can be such a powerful

>stain when fresh?

>

>What exactly is it in the hulls that does the staining?  Is it just the

>organic iodine that is in it, or is it somthing else?

>

>I'm ask this because I bought some black walnut crystals(crystalized

>walnut hull dye), but they dont stain nearly as well as fresh walnut

>hulls, and I want to know if there is somthing I can add to it(no

>checmicals).

>



>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

>Before you buy.



Colored material is juglone or 8-hydroxybenzoquinone.  The hydroquinone form 

is present in unripe shells and exposure to air rapidly oxidizes to the 

colored quinone form which stains skin by addition to the  active groups of 

protein.  As with hair dye, penetration of the unoxidized form before protein 

reaction results in more permanent stain.

Frank





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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: frank.logullo@dol.net (Frank Logullo)

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:10:48 GMT

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Slight correction, should have said napthoquinone not benzoquinone as juglone:

                H

                O     O

                C     C

             C    C     C

             C    C     C

                C    C   

                      O

Frank





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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: "P. Fishbein" <pfish@voicenet.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:21:52 GMT

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    I was taught that it was the juglone that was the toxic component that

walnut trees secrete.  It tends to kill off any tomato plants trying to grow

under a walnut tree.  The quinone gets partially reduced to a quinone

methide and alkylates something in the tomato plant that is fatal to the

plant.  I guess walnuts and tomatoes are mortal enemies.



"Frank Logullo" <frank.logullo@dol.net> wrote in message

news:38d17814.0@news.dol.net...

> In article <8aptg8$vjc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, jc5555@my-deja.com wrote:

> >I am tyring to figure out why black walnut hulls can be such a powerful

> >stain when fresh?

> >

>

> Colored material is juglone or 8-hydroxybenzoquinone.  The hydroquinone

form

> is present in unripe shells and exposure to air rapidly oxidizes to the

> colored quinone form which stains skin by addition to the  active groups

of

> protein.  As with hair dye, penetration of the unoxidized form before

protein

> reaction results in more permanent stain.

> Frank









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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: starr@starrcash.com (Starr Cash)

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:06:56 GMT

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I have some black walnut trees on my property (just moved here a month

ago) and wonder if you would tell me what you use the hulls to stain

and how to use them.  I knew that they had a powerful stain but didn't

know that they could be put to use.



Thanks

Starr



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Instead rejoice:  This thorn bush has Roses!"





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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: Raven <ravengraywolf@yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:23:54 -0500

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Hi Star Cash,

    A lot of times, native american people use the black walnut to stain cloth,

leather, and even wood. It makes a very rich stain :) I talked to an elder about

it ontime, and she taught me that you allow the black walnuts to dry in their

shells, and as they dry they get hard hard and black. I'm sure you have seen

them. Anyway, then you soak them in water and the rich color of the walnut

transfers itself into the water, and there you have your dye bath. :) You can

soak cloth or leather in it, or rub it into wood to stain that. I'm sure you can

stain many other things with it as well. And I learnd something else, be careful

what you let it touch.. it'll also stain things you DON'T want it to like your

tabletop, coffee cups, the shirt you have on, your hands (Wear playtex gloves

when you work with it. ) And of course, the longer you leave your material in

the dye bath, the richer the color will turn out. But you just have to

experiment with it. Good luck and have fun!



Raven Gray Wolf



Starr Cash wrote:



> I have some black walnut trees on my property (just moved here a month

> ago) and wonder if you would tell me what you use the hulls to stain

> and how to use them.  I knew that they had a powerful stain but didn't

> know that they could be put to use.

>

> Thanks

> Starr

>

> "Don't complain:  This Rose bush has thorns!

> Instead rejoice:  This thorn bush has Roses!"



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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: starr@starrcash.com (Starr Cash)

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:52:16 GMT

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Sounds good.  I believe I'll give it a try. Thanks.



Starr







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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 05:09:14 -0700

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starr@starrcash.com (Starr Cash) wrote:



>I have some black walnut trees on my property (just moved here a month

>ago) and wonder if you would tell me what you use the hulls to stain

>and how to use them.  



The FRESH hulls from green plants will stain ANYTHING.  My

brother and I spent an afternoon with them and turned ourselves

into Indians :)  We were a lovely dark brown instead of the pasty

Caucasian white.  It took much of the rest of the summer for the

coloring to fade.  



On a more practical note - they are a major ingredient in brown

dyes for wool and/or hair.  If you know any craftspeople who dye

their own yarns in your area, let them know you have a source of

fresh hulls and let then gather them up.  The best time is right

as they are splitting open to release the nut. 







Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: Andy <andy@eohio.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:15:05 -0500

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Starr Cash wrote:



> I have some black walnut trees on my property (just moved here a month

> ago) and wonder if you would tell me what you use the hulls to stain

> and how to use them.  I knew that they had a powerful stain but didn't

> know that they could be put to use.

>

> Thanks

> Starr

>

> "Don't complain:  This Rose bush has thorns!

> Instead rejoice:  This thorn bush has Roses!"



Starr,

    I use the whole nut  with the green hull still on it to make a

beautiful natural woodstain. The method that I have read about and used

successfully is to put a collection of the gathered nut in a plastic

container and pour household amonia over them and place a cover on it.

After it has soaked for several days you can remove the cover to let  the

amonia escape. Filter out the big pieces and the result is a rich dark

brown stain.



            Andy







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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: elspeth@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Elizabeth Naime)

Date: 21 Mar 2000 18:59:44 GMT

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Starr Cash (starr@starrcash.com) wrote:

> I have some black walnut trees on my property (just moved here a month

> ago) and wonder if you would tell me what you use the hulls to stain

> and how to use them.  I knew that they had a powerful stain but didn't

> know that they could be put to use.



Gather the hulls -- if you don't have a method you like, try this one.

Wearing old shoes (that you don't care if they get stained) and gloves

(ditto), kick fallen walnuts onto the nearest hard surface (driveway,

sidewalk... actually the ground where they've fallen is often good enough

on a nice dry day).  Roll the walnut under your foot, it'll break the hull

and separate it from the nut.  Pick up the hull, pick up the nut, toss in

separate baskets/bags/whatever.  I suppose you can toss the part you don't

use but the black walnuts are worth the trouble of shelling them IMHO.



When done gathering, set the hulls out to dry (dry place, good air

circulation, as you'd dry anything else -- in screens on a low oven is

fine too -- you don't eat the hulls so can be more careless in the process

than is acceptable with food).  Unless you plan to use them right away.



Boil fresh or dried walnut hulls with water - measure by eye and it

doesn't take much - for a surprisingly lightfast/washfast brown dye.

Experiment -- I got a very permanent tea-color brown dye, for a dress

using about 10 yards of muslin, from a LARGE double handful of fresh

hulls.  Buy or borrow a book on working with natural dyes;  one that has

some advice on mordanting, which broadens your pallette considerably (and

will help you make dyes more permanent, also).  In addition to actual

storebought mordants, you may experiment with a badly rusted iron pot when

iron is called for.  You might be surprised how many variations you can

get with natural dyes.



Or, take your dried hulls to a local fiber store.  ;-)



I think that you could also use the "juice" from the fresh hulls as a

stain or ink, but collecting it could be interesting.  Got a juicer you

don't plan to use for juice after this?  You might be able to extract the

stain with one of those metal cones with the tiny holes all around and the

wooden mallet - the sort used for making grape juice and tomato sauce?

They are inexpensive enough that you could afford to dedicate one to

Puree of Inedibles.



Alternately, you might "paint" objects to be stained with the fresh hull,

directly;  either objects that you want the entire surface stained, or

perhaps after the application of a wax resist.  Anything porus ought to

take the stain, but once again... experimentation is the spice of life!

And if you have a black walnut tree or two, you'll have plenty of hulls to

play with.



Lastly, you might go ahead with the drying process, crumble the dried

hulls a bit, and boil a LITTLE water with a LOT of hulls - drain off the

hulls -- could this be used as an ink or a stain?



Since we're on a food group, don't forget to eat the walnuts.  What is the

shelf life of raw, shelled nuts?



Elizabeth Naime 





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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: "Dr. Rev Chuck, MD, PA" <cdub@erols.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:46:51 -0800

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Walnut husks can be made into a high quality walnut wood stain, possessing 

_all_ the subtle color variations (such as hints of blue and purple) for which 

we so prize the actual wood.  Collect several pounds of the nuts.  Remove the 

husks, place in a gallon jar, then fill to the brim with non-sudsing household 

ammonia.  Allow to steep for 2 weeks.  Sieve the resulting, foul-smelling muck, 

discard the husks, and allow to settle.  The thick sludge at the bottom is the 

stain.  Use outdoors, because it smells not unlike a rancid cat litter box.  



LWakefield wrote:

> 

> I knew people in WV who would put the nuts in feedsacks in their driveways,

> and then drive over them to get the hulls loose. I don't think that was to

> get them to crack- that's a different step, after they dry. Pretty punky

> tasting nut, I've always thought, but some people LOVE them.

> 

> --

> L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

> to stay inside the lines when parking.

> --

> 

> Elizabeth Naime <elspeth@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message

> news:8b8gr0$c4c$1@news.cc.ukans.edu..

> > Starr Cash (starr@starrcash.com) wrote:

> > > I have some black walnut trees on my property (just moved here a month

> > > ago) and wonder if you would tell me what you use the hulls to stain

> > > and how to use them.  I knew that they had a powerful stain but didn't

> > > know that they could be put to use.

> >

> > Gather the hulls -- if you don't have a method you like, try this one.

> > Wearing old shoes (that you don't care if they get stained) and gloves

> > (ditto), kick fallen walnuts onto the nearest hard surface (driveway,

> > sidewalk... actually the ground where they've fallen is often good enough

> > on a nice dry day).  Roll the walnut under your foot, it'll break the hull

> > and separate it from the nut.  Pick up the hull, pick up the nut, toss in

> > separate baskets/bags/whatever.  I suppose you can toss the part you don't

> > use but the black walnuts are worth the trouble of shelling them IMHO.

> >

> > When done gathering, set the hulls out to dry (dry place, good air

> > circulation, as you'd dry anything else -- in screens on a low oven is

> > fine too -- you don't eat the hulls so can be more careless in the process

> > than is acceptable with food).  Unless you plan to use them right away.

> >

> > Boil fresh or dried walnut hulls with water - measure by eye and it

> > doesn't take much - for a surprisingly lightfast/washfast brown dye.

> > Experiment -- I got a very permanent tea-color brown dye, for a dress

> > using about 10 yards of muslin, from a LARGE double handful of fresh

> > hulls.  Buy or borrow a book on working with natural dyes;  one that has

> > some advice on mordanting, which broadens your pallette considerably (and

> > will help you make dyes more permanent, also).  In addition to actual

> > storebought mordants, you may experiment with a badly rusted iron pot when

> > iron is called for.  You might be surprised how many variations you can

> > get with natural dyes.

> >

> > Or, take your dried hulls to a local fiber store.  ;-)

> >

> > I think that you could also use the "juice" from the fresh hulls as a

> > stain or ink, but collecting it could be interesting.  Got a juicer you

> > don't plan to use for juice after this?  You might be able to extract the

> > stain with one of those metal cones with the tiny holes all around and the

> > wooden mallet - the sort used for making grape juice and tomato sauce?

> > They are inexpensive enough that you could afford to dedicate one to

> > Puree of Inedibles.

> >

> > Alternately, you might "paint" objects to be stained with the fresh hull,

> > directly;  either objects that you want the entire surface stained, or

> > perhaps after the application of a wax resist.  Anything porus ought to

> > take the stain, but once again... experimentation is the spice of life!

> > And if you have a black walnut tree or two, you'll have plenty of hulls to

> > play with.

> >

> > Lastly, you might go ahead with the drying process, crumble the dried

> > hulls a bit, and boil a LITTLE water with a LOT of hulls - drain off the

> > hulls -- could this be used as an ink or a stain?

> >

> > Since we're on a food group, don't forget to eat the walnuts.  What is the

> > shelf life of raw, shelled nuts?

> >

> > Elizabeth Naime





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Subject: Re: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass-nospam.net>

Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:27:37 GMT

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>Since we're on a food group, don't forget to eat the walnuts.  What is the

>shelf life of raw, shelled nuts?



In order to keep raw shelled black walnuts or hickory nuts any length of time,

the nuts need time to cure, dry in the shell.  Otherwise they are susceptible to

mold.  This is not critical if the nuts are shelled for short-term use, though

if the nuts are still wet inside, shelling would be messy.  Shelled nuts keep

longer at refrigerator temperature than room temperature.  If the nuts have

sufficient time to dry well before shelling, the shelled nuts should be good for

at least a few months.







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Subject: was: Flying Ointment

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:55:48 GMT

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Does Copperfield thermal alongside wedge tailed eagles?  Does he soar

through clouds?



> > Like I said, take up paragliding. Gravity can be a bitch though.

>

> nice images over there. But still not what I mean.

> I mean on your own! I wanted to avoid the comparison

> but have you seen David Copperfield doing it?



Anyway, back to herbs and shit like that.  I like the highly held ideals of

scientific research (which you have made reference to), unfortunately much

of what is claimed as legitimate research (peer reviewed or not) would seem

to contain just as much quackery as some of the snake oil purveyed in

certain quarters of natural therapy.



Sadly, in many cases, it comes down to "follow the money trail".  If your

next research grant is going to come from Monsanto, Bayer etc, then your

objectivity might be compromised.



In any case, doctors I deal with don't even read their esteemed journals,

they just look at the ads.



Cheers









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Subject: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:00:44 GMT

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Someone mentioned to me today that Milk Thistle (the silly bum stuff, you

know the one I mean) was a powerful preventative/antidote for hangovers.



Can anyone confirm or deny this? (this person is a great source of urban

myths).



--

sos

O@H survival guide http://metrak.com/OaH













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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: k a & g <kaalga@spamthis.mpinet.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:14:10 -0500

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sos wrote:



> Someone mentioned to me today that Milk Thistle (the silly bum stuff, you

> know the one I mean) was a powerful preventative/antidote for hangovers.

>

> Can anyone confirm or deny this? (this person is a great source of urban

> myths).

>

> --

> sos

> O@H survival guide http://metrak.com/OaH



works for me!!!! (i take it daily to every other day but dont take as much as

the bottle says to take)



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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 16 Mar 2000 21:39:15 GMT

--------

>sos wrote:

>

>> Someone mentioned to me today that Milk Thistle (the silly bum stuff, you

>> know the one I mean) was a powerful preventative/antidote for hangovers.

>>

>> Can anyone confirm or deny this? (this person is a great source of urban

>> myths).

>>

>> --



To which Bill replied:



>works for me!!!! (i take it daily to every other day but dont take as much as

>the bottle says to take)



Kaalga..are we to assume by this response that you are an alchoholic or do you

take it daily for other uses and the hangover prevention is just an extra added

bonus? <grin> (or not?)



Peace,

~*Jo*~







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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: k a & g <kaalga@spamthis.mpinet.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:55:21 -0500

--------





> >sos wrote:

> >

> >> Someone mentioned to me today that Milk Thistle (the silly bum stuff, you

> >> know the one I mean) was a powerful preventative/antidote for hangovers.

> >>

> >> Can anyone confirm or deny this? (this person is a great source of urban

> >> myths).

> >>

> >> --



Jo wrote:



> To which Bill replied:

>

> >works for me!!!! (i take it daily to every other day but dont take as much as

> >the bottle says to take)

>

> Kaalga..are we to assume by this response that you are an alchoholic or do you

> take it daily for other uses and the hangover prevention is just an extra added

> bonus? <grin> (or not?)

>

> Peace,

> ~*Jo*~



weeelllll, first of all...i am not bill.



and no, i dont THINK that i am an alkie.....i do enjoy a good wheat beer (or four)

on the weekend though!



and tomorrow is st. patty's day...maybe you should ask me again on saturday???



actually, i take it because it is a liver "tonic" and i was having some liver

problems.



it worked for me. in spades.



then again, so did echinacea (for chronic throat infections) and so did cranberry

pills (chronic UTIs).....



i was hooked (on herbs!)



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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 18 Mar 2000 18:43:06 GMT

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So we're in agreement here that Milk Thistle is good for a hangover?  Is it

fast-acting (trying not to sound too desperate here!  Hee hee!)?  I ask because

I came into this newsgroup today *specifically* for a request for a hangover

remedy!  St. Patty's Day took a bit of a toll on me.  <G>

Diana



kaalga wrote:



>and no, i dont THINK that i am an alkie.....i do enjoy a good wheat beer (or

>four)

>on the weekend though!

>

>and tomorrow is st. patty's day...maybe you should ask me again on

>saturday???

>

>actually, i take it because it is a liver "tonic" and i was having some liver

>problems.

>

>it worked for me. in spades.

>

>then again, so did echinacea (for chronic throat infections) and so did

>cranberry

>pills (chronic UTIs).....

>

>i was hooked (on herbs!)

>





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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:48:34 +0200

--------

doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66) wrote:

>So we're in agreement here that Milk Thistle is good for a hangover?  Is it

>fast-acting (trying not to sound too desperate here!  Hee hee!)?  I ask because

>I came into this newsgroup today *specifically* for a request for a hangover

>remedy!  St. Patty's Day took a bit of a toll on me.  <G>



You should have had a cuppa thyme tea last thing last night.



Cheers

Henriette (works for me, that one.)



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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 18 Mar 2000 18:59:12 GMT

--------





Hmmm...thyme tea?  I'll remember that one!  :o)



Diana



Henriette wrote:

>

>You should have had a cuppa thyme tea last thing last night.

>

>Cheers

>Henriette (works for me, that one.)





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and the fauna of the forest with tender loving care.  The shy, wild animals

trust her fully because they know they can always depend on her for kindness

and understanding.





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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: elspeth@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Elizabeth Naime)

Date: 22 Mar 2000 14:29:13 GMT

--------

Henriette Kress (hetta@saunalahti.fi) wrote:



> You should have had a cuppa thyme tea last thing last night.



Any particular strength, or just "the usual infusion" (quantity and

steeping time more or less like table tea)?  And is this good for other

stresses, or other toxins (like after spending time in a smoke-filled

room), or is it specific to alcohol?



Elizabeth Naime

always looking for something new to do with thyme





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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:20:38 +0200

--------

elspeth@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Elizabeth Naime) wrote:

>> You should have had a cuppa thyme tea last thing last night.

>

>Any particular strength, or just "the usual infusion" (quantity and

>steeping time more or less like table tea)?  



I usually do 1/2 - 1 teaspoon to 2-3 dl hot water, let steep for 5-10 minutes,

and sip.



>And is this good for other

>stresses, or other toxins (like after spending time in a smoke-filled

>room), or is it specific to alcohol?



Thyme and sage are great for your lungs, but thyme is also good for nausea.

I -like- thyme. I've grown tired of the scent and taste of sage.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: elspeth@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Elizabeth Naime)

Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:56:09 GMT

--------

Henriette Kress (hetta@saunalahti.fi) wrote:



> I usually do 1/2 - 1 teaspoon to 2-3 dl hot water, let steep for 5-10 minutes,

> and sip.



I'll have to go look at my measuring cup, but I think that's about right

for what I consider "the usual tea".  Convenient to stick, as herbal

staples, to herbs that infuse about the same!



> Thyme and sage are great for your lungs, but thyme is also good for nausea.



Now, that's new to me.  I knew sage and thyme were useful in chest colds,

and helped "break" a fever too.  But thyme wasn't on my anti-nausea list.



> I -like- thyme. I've grown tired of the scent and taste of sage.



I like sage as well;  perhaps because it's such a hardy plant.  I am

finally chopping the sage patch down and trying to encourage it to lower,

more tidy growth -- some of the stalks I've been cutting are about twice

the width of my thumb!  5 years of benign neglect and it's become a shrub.

I love the smell when I let it go to bloom, and I love the sage-stuffed

chicken that the forecast of the first killing frost brings on (a

wonderful excess of sage, brought on by knowing that I might as well use

it before it freezes).  I love drying sage leaves whole and showing

friends why the spice-rack stuff is called "rubbed sage".  I love rubbing

a dried leaf and enjoying the smell.  I don't know if I will ever tire of

sage!



Thyme, though... it was sage that introduced me to thyme, first as the

Poultry-seasoning Twins and later as a compound remedy for chest colds.

I've never really gotten thyme established outside of a few container

plantings.  But recently I've been drawn to it, wanting to learn more

about thyme, finding more ways to use thyme... and I'll be trying to plant

a more permanent stand of it this year.  I think this is the Year of the

Thyme, or it will be if all those seeds sprout!



Speaking of which, how similar are thyme and mother-of-thyme or creeping

thyme?  I'm considering one of the more ground-cover-ish thymes, and while

I can work out the culinary uses, I know I can't just generalize the

medicinal uses.



Elizabeth Naime





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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:02:01 +0200

--------

elspeth@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Elizabeth Naime) wrote:

>Speaking of which, how similar are thyme and mother-of-thyme or creeping

>thyme?  I'm considering one of the more ground-cover-ish thymes, and while

>I can work out the culinary uses, I know I can't just generalize the

>medicinal uses.



Oh, you can generalize on thyme, as long as it's got a strong scent of thyme.

The creeping ones usually don't have that though. At least my lemon thyme has

next to no scent.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 18 Mar 2000 01:36:27 GMT

--------

Milk thistle does help protect the liver. For hangovers, a more effective home

remedy would be replacing fluids (alcohol dehydrates) -- so drink lots of

water!



And if you've already got liver problems, alcohol is an irritant and not a good

idea.



I love beer  but I'm allergic to most brands. So I just don't drink it any

more. Sometimes it's easier to give something up than to keep running around

looking for ways to prevent a reaction. 



Regards,

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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: k a & g <kaalga@spamthis.mpinet.net>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:19:07 -0500

--------

sos wrote:



> After all that I'm not sure whether it works for hangovers or as a general

> liver tonic.

>

> Please expand.

>

> PS I take every last bit out of the bottle, but I was more interested in the

> Milk Thistle.



lol!



it *is* a liver 'tonic', and since this is the case, it helps the liver process

toxic substances (like alcohol) more efficiently...that's just my non-expert

guess.....



check this out:



"A new series of potential flavonoidic modulators of P-glycoprotein activity has

been prepared. The flavanolignan silybin was first oxidised to

dehydrosilybin and then C-alkylated with either prenyl or geranyl bromide. The

resulting isoprenoid dehydrosilybins were shown to display high in vitro

affinities for direct binding to P-glycoprotein, which ranged them among the

best flavonoids ever tested.



PMID: 10673101, UI: 20135656



you could do a medline search with the term silybin to get more conventional

scientific info....there is PLENTY of non commercial info online about milk

thistle as well using a good search engine. i reckon there must be entries for

it in henriette's FAQ as well.....





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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:10:14 GMT

--------

I guess I was after personal experience.  Guess I won't get that at Medline.



I'm thinking maybe Milk Thistle as "hangover cure" is urban myth after all.



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"k a & g" <kaalga@spamthis.mpinet.net> wrote in message

news:38D24CEB.7470BF8C@spamthis.mpinet.net...

> sos wrote:

>

> > After all that I'm not sure whether it works for hangovers or as a

general

> > liver tonic.

> >

> > Please expand.

>

> you could do a medline search with the term silybin to get more

conventional

> scientific info....there is PLENTY of non commercial info online about

milk

> thistle as well using a good search engine. i reckon there must be entries

for

> it in henriette's FAQ as well.....











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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:50:16 +0200

--------

"sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au> wrote:

>I guess I was after personal experience.  Guess I won't get that at Medline.

>I'm thinking maybe Milk Thistle as "hangover cure" is urban myth after all.



Why don't you try it and see? 



I know I didn't have milk thistle available in my wild and young days, when I

needed hangover cures. My clients don't come to see me for hangovers either,

they come for more insidious problems. So test it and tell us.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:20:42 GMT

--------

I will ask the person who said this to me.  They will be only too glad to

try it,  I even supplied the milk thistle.



Waiting for results.  This will be a double blind trial, she really gets

whacked.



--

sos

O@H survival guide http://metrak.com/OaH





"Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:sl26dskegn5p6l3qr6p7d16iavdr031er8@4ax.com...

> "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au> wrote:

> >I guess I was after personal experience.  Guess I won't get that at

Medline.

> >I'm thinking maybe Milk Thistle as "hangover cure" is urban myth after

all.

>

> Why don't you try it and see?

>

> I know I didn't have milk thistle available in my wild and young days,

when I

> needed hangover cures. My clients don't come to see me for hangovers

either,

> they come for more insidious problems. So test it and tell us.

>

> Cheers

> Henriette

>

> --

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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: k a & g <kaalga@mmpinet.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:07:12 -0500

--------

sos wrote:



> I guess I was after personal experience.  Guess I won't get that at Medline.

>

> I'm thinking maybe Milk Thistle as "hangover cure" is urban myth after all.



dont think of it so much as a hangover 'cure'. it is more like a

**preventative.**



i have never taken it in the sense of "oh-i had-too-much-to-drink,

think-i'll-cram-some-milk-thistle" .



with me, as i said, i take it daily to every other day....and not much, even.



but it WORKS.



btw, only had 3 beers st. patty's day. (and i am part irish.)



but i surely enjoyed the "emerald shoes" show about irish dancing on television.



man, my party days are looooong gone. maybe i'll take up dancin!







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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 18 Mar 2000 21:54:24 GMT

--------

>> After all that I'm not sure whether it works for hangovers or as a general

>> liver tonic.

>>

>> Please expand.

>>

>> PS I take every last bit out of the bottle, but I was more interested in

>the

>> Milk Thistle.

>

>lol!

>

>it *is* a liver 'tonic', and since this is the case, it helps the liver

>process

>toxic substances (like alcohol) more efficiently...that's just my non-expert

>guess.....

>

>



That makes sense as the toxins left over after a night of binging is what

causes the imbalance(hangover) in the first place....

So basically anything touted as a liver "tonic" would serve the same purpose in

helping to speed up/facilitate the excretion of the alchohol quicker,right?



Peace,

~*Jo*~





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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: dave@nospam.4me (Dave)

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 23:00:57 GMT

--------

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:14:10 -0500, k a & g

<kaalga@spamthis.mpinet.net> wrote:



>sos wrote:

>

>works for me!!!! (i take it daily to every other day but dont take as much as

>the bottle says to take)

>



My wife tried milk thistle. However it gave her severe nausea

(vomiting) when she tried it. I guess it may have been co-incidence

(has a couple of kidney stones) ?



Dave







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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 18 Mar 2000 18:49:55 GMT

--------





Nah, true alcoholics don't ever give themselves to *GET* hungover!  The ones

with hangovers are the "now and theners" and even ONE beer can sometimes give

me a hell of a headache the next day!



Hello, my name is Diana

and I........

I, I'm in the wrong addiction meeting room! Can someone direct me to

Chocoholics Anonymous?



~D~



HKX wrote:

>

>Imo,  if you have to "take" something for hangovers it's time to go to

>AA.  It's free..worked for me snce  Sept. 1979.   

>





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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 19 Mar 2000 16:50:29 GMT

--------





Not that I'm a big drinker, in fact, I hardly ever drink, but when I have a

night out with the girls or something (like on St. Patty's Day!), this is GREAT

information to know!  I'll pass the info on to others too.  Thanks!



Diana



> kaos2k1@webtv.net wrote:



>take milk thistle before you go out to drink and it will prevent any

>damage to your liver that alcohol does to it  its just like putting a

>shield on your liver to repel any damage alcohol could do to it.

>





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and the fauna of the forest with tender loving care.  The shy, wild animals

trust her fully because they know they can always depend on her for kindness

and understanding.





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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: "Adriana Kamenetsky" <adrianakusa@home.com>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:28:37 GMT

--------

Milk Thistle is one of the best herbal liver remedies. Perhaps it stimulates

liver to work more efficiently, thus, neutralizing the the alcohol content

much faster in the blood stream. So it is possible.   AK

sos <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au> wrote in message

news:0p1A4.161$Ky.1972@news1.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au...

> Someone mentioned to me today that Milk Thistle (the silly bum stuff, you

> know the one I mean) was a powerful preventative/antidote for hangovers.

>

> Can anyone confirm or deny this? (this person is a great source of urban

> myths).

>

> --

> sos

> O@H survival guide http://metrak.com/OaH

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?

From: garlicgr@pond.com (The Tetrad)

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:50:35 GMT

--------

Milk thistle is fairly easy to grow, looks lovely in the garden (all those 

nice white spots) and is an excellent green to add to salads (but do cut off 

the prickles first!).  Unfortunately, I've heard that one would have to eat 

bushels of leaves to get the medicinal effect of the seeds, but it *is* tasty 

so one might as well add it to one's green salad mix. . .





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Subject: vitamin E for leg cramps

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:37:18 GMT

--------

Whoever was asking about leg cramps, here is a link to some data on the use

of vitamin E.



An excerpt.



"I would agree with Ayres and Mihan that the medication [vitamin E] is

almost universally effective on idiopathic nocturnal leg cramps. In my

opinion, it is more effective and safer to use than quinine or

quinine-aminophylline combinations. Certainly, the dosages we ..."



http://www.orthomed.com/vite.htm



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Subject: How to use Kava

From: "Kava" <kava@fijiyaqona.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:34:40 +1000

--------

Usage Instructions:



Measure about 40 grams of Yaqona per 1 liter water for a strong brew (see

table below for other quantities of water.



Water Strong Medium Weak

1 liter 30 gram 20 gram 15 gram

2 liter 60 gram 40 gram 30 gram

4 cups  1 oz 0.7 oz 0.5 oz

8 cups 2 oz 1.4 oz 1 oz



cups = standard US measuring cup



Pour the Yaqona powder into the muslin cloth bag or into the center of a

muslin cloth about handkerchief size ( a clean handkerchief will do as well)

and immerse into the water. Wrap into a ball and squeeze to release the

Yaqona liquid. Continue about 15 times - enjoy!



The wet Kava powder can be kept in the refrigerator or freezer for a second

extraction with about 1/2 - 1/3 of the previously used water volume.



The traditional way of consuming Kava is in the evening before dinner and

without consuming alcoholic beverages. Alcohol increases the effects of Kava

and should be avoided while drinking Kava. The recommended quantity of Kava

per person is about 1 liter of medium strength up to 3 times a week for

maximum benefits. If so consumed, Kava is absolutely safe and exhibits the

health benefits as described.



Kava should not be taken by pregnant and nursing women, persons with

Alzheimer and Parkinson disease. As Kava causes drowsiness you should not

drive or operate machinery as if you would if you consume alcohol. Unless

monitored by a health care advisor, Kava should not be taken with other

psychopharmacological agents that act on the central nervous system.



There are no known side effects on recommended Kava consumption. Kava is not

a "drug" and therefore legal to buy, sell and to consume. It does not cause

any dependency or other problems as evidenced by it's over 3000 year history

of consumption and recent medical tests and analysis.



Same as with the consumption of alcoholic beverages, the consumption of Kava

instead, is to be done in moderation for maximum benefits and to avoid risks

of being under the influence of Kava while driving or operating machinery.



In Germany, where Kava and Kava Preparations are listed as medications and

can be prescribed by doctors for relief of anxiety and stress, the

recommended dosage is 200 mg of Kava lactones (the active ingredient of

Kava) per day. This is approximately the consumption of 500 ml medium

strength Kava from the above list.



In Fiji or other South Pacific Nations the general population enjoys Kava

perhaps in slightly stronger extractions, but for Western users (because of

frequent alcohol consumption) we recommend the strengths as indicated above.



Heavy overdoses (abuse) of Kava may cause dermatological problems due to a

cholesterol interaction showing up  as yellowing and flaking of the skin

which is reversible once Kava usage is stopped or reduced to the recommended

quantities.



If you have any questions regarding Kava and it's use, please write to us

and we try to answer your questions based on scientific data in our library.

If you have any medical conditions and wish to use Kava please consult your

healthcare practioner.



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Subject: Re: PS: Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: "jim mcnamara" <csi_jimm@coopserv.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:25:49 -0700

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There really isn't anything you can add to the powder to intensify the

color.  Try making a more concentrated solution.





jim mcnamara

domingo rose









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Subject: rosewater

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2000 22:38:44 

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	 H> From: hherbalone@aol.com (HHerbalOne)



>>From: "katjogal" katjogal@worldnet.att.net

>>Date: 2/19/00 0:55 AM EST



>>Start with a large deep cooking pot on the stove,



And the pot should be enamel wear or glass, as those won't interact

with (spoil) your water...



>>place 3 packed cups of only the most fragrant rose petals into pot,

>>add 2 cups water.  Next place a small pyrex or ceramic bowl into

>>the center of the petals and water. Next invert a rounded lid over

>>pot, and turn on heat.  In the inverted lid place 6-8 icecubes and

>>cook away. If done properly the water will steam , condense on the

>>lid and drip into the bowl.



 H> Will this do as well with gardenias?

 H> I have tons of gardenias every year and still haven't found a

 H> method without special equipment to capture the aroma.

 H> (Including oil and wax methods.) H.



It is useful with many botanicals, but I have only used oil with gardenia.



cheers,

wlsakowski



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Subject: Re: rosewater

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:22:41 -0500

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Can I ask, do you put the gardenia flowers in with oil and let stand as in

enfleurage or maceration, to extract the EO. Does the gardenia turn brown?

What is the aroma like? I ask, because the alt.aromatherapy NG has a similar

thread, and they were discussing fleurs which have no commercially

available. EO. One respondent thought it was fleurs whose aroma depended on

indole-containing compounds, as these break down into bad-smelling compounds

rapidly; accompanied by browning of the fleurs. I think she mentioned lilac

and gardenia as among these. We have tentatively come up with lilac,

gardenia, honeysuckle, muguet, and I think they were saying jonquil- but I

haven't had time to get into my limited botany texts to see if these all are

similar.



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WL Sakowski <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com> wrote in message

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>

>

> H> From: hherbalone@aol.com (HHerbalOne)

>

> >>From: "katjogal" katjogal@worldnet.att.net

> >>Date: 2/19/00 0:55 AM EST

>

> >>Start with a large deep cooking pot on the stove,

>

> And the pot should be enamel wear or glass, as those won't interact

> with (spoil) your water...

>

> >>place 3 packed cups of only the most fragrant rose petals into pot,

> >>add 2 cups water.  Next place a small pyrex or ceramic bowl into

> >>the center of the petals and water. Next invert a rounded lid over

> >>pot, and turn on heat.  In the inverted lid place 6-8 icecubes and

> >>cook away. If done properly the water will steam , condense on the

> >>lid and drip into the bowl.

>

>  H> Will this do as well with gardenias?

>  H> I have tons of gardenias every year and still haven't found a

>  H> method without special equipment to capture the aroma.

>  H> (Including oil and wax methods.) H.

>

> It is useful with many botanicals, but I have only used oil with gardenia.

>

> cheers,

> wlsakowski

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Subject: Re: Mesquite - was Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: "jim mcnamara" <csi_jimm@coopserv.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:04:50 -0700

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A lot of desert species exude allelotoxins (like sagebrush, for example),

but mesquite big strategy is to choke off competition by getting all the

water first.  It's root system is extensive.  About 80% of the roots are

within 6" of the surface, with taproots extending 30' - 100' down,

depending on the age of the tree.



The surface roots extend well beyond the drip line - the circular outer

edge of the branches.  They also LOVE sewer pipes and septic drain fields.



jim mcnamara

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Subject: Re: Mesquite - was Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 05:01:42 -0700

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"jim mcnamara" <csi_jimm@coopserv.com> wrote:



>A lot of desert species exude allelotoxins (like sagebrush, for example),

>but mesquite big strategy is to choke off competition by getting all the

>water first.  It's root system is extensive.  About 80% of the roots are

>within 6" of the surface, with taproots extending 30' - 100' down,

>depending on the age of the tree.



>The surface roots extend well beyond the drip line - the circular outer

>edge of the branches.  



My neighbor does not understand why I don'twatermesquite.  I have

always told him that the roots from my mesquite are running under

the street to get to his lawn water 60 feet away.  I guess I was

right. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Mesquite - was Why Black Walnut hulls stain?

From: Kasin Hunter <kasin@flash.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:35:22 GMT

--------

Yes, except right now in Arizona, this is our second year of drought; and

everyone is watering their desert plants.  This weather is really something.

Not looking forward to summer this year.  I had to shade my gourd plants last

summer - nice 75% shade screen, but whoever heard of shading gourd plants?

Lost five vines even so.  Warm, I can tell you.





Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:



>

> My neighbor does not understand why I don'twatermesquite.  I have

> always told him that the roots from my mesquite are running under

> the street to get to his lawn water 60 feet away.  I guess I was

> right.

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,soc.senior.health+fitness

Subject: alternative treatments mixing with traditional

From: Helen Horner <apleanospam@pacsun.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:32:03 -0800

--------

Hello everyone,



I've been trying to fight a number of health 

problems through diet and herbal remedies. 

Some successes. I'm about to go see my doctor

again, who doesn't really know that I'm trying

alternative options. Does everyone else share 

that kind of information with their doctors? 



Almost by chance I ran across a Caregiverzone.com 

article talking about how some herbal treatments 

work against traditional medications, and can 

interfere with procedures by thinning the blood, 

etc. I thought I was unique in not telling my 

doctor, but the article said that often people 

don't because they're afraid of the doctor's 

response. 



I both wanted to let everyone know that, and 

then also to ask where I could find some guide 

about what herbal remedies - besides the ones 

listed in the article - interfere with traditional 

western medicines. I wasn't exactly sure how 

serious and far-reaching the problems were and 

would like to see a complete study or comparison. 



Thanks for additional information.



Helen Horner







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Subject: Re: alternative treatments mixing with traditional

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 18 Mar 2000 01:36:26 GMT

--------

In article <MPG.133c280c5c3914c99896ad@news.mindspring.com>, Helen Horner

<apleanospam@pacsun.com> writes:



> I wasn't exactly sure how 

>serious and far-reaching the problems were and 

>would like to see a complete study or comparison. 



The intensity of interaction varies by the medicine and the herb. There's a

number of new books out in the last year on this topic. We tend to use the

Natural Pharmacist series, edited by Steven Bratman, the most. The NATURAL

HEALTH BIBLE in this series is the most helpful with encyclopedia like entries

on diseases, herbal remedies, and interactions all cross-referenced.



If you're not comfortable in talking to your doctor about this, you need to

examine your feelings about this. Have you just not considered discussing it?

Or does the doctor make you feel uncomfortable talking about it? If the latter,

I'd be inclined to seek a physician that was more in tune with my own health

goals. 



Over the years, I've walked out on several physicians who were not willing to

discuss alternative treatments  (or, at the very least, respect my decision to

try them!). It's taken some shuffling to find the right mix of care and I'm

still working on it. I'm working on it to the extent that I'm now on the

advisory board of a non-profit that's launching a new integrated care clinic.

We are designing a clinic that will provide a mix of traditional and

non-traditional healthcare. This includes subsidized care for those that can't

afford healthcare (a growing problem in the US!).



So keep asking those questions! It's the only way that we can hope to change

the model of healthcare in our country.

Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Re: alternative treatments mixing with traditional

From: nightfall <nfx@perfidia.com>

Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 01:19:24 -0500

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Interactions may be difficult to predict because the constituency of

diet and herbal remedies may include multiple substances of significant

though unknown concentration, or may include unknown compounds.



With an increase in the number of unknowns entering the system, there

may be a relative loss of control over what influence the medication

that the physician prescribes for a client has upon the client's body.



Consulting with a pharmacist is an option, either by phone or through

some of the new, and I believe free, internet based services.  It is not

clear how authoritative and reliable the information provided by such

sites may be.  Such services also claim no responsibility to for any

problems that cab ensue.

  



http://www.aafp.org/afp/990301ap/1239.html



http://www.rxlist.com/



http://www.dal.ca/~pharmwww/druginfo/bib(a-h).htm





If one experiences unusual side effects not included in the list of

anticipated unusual side effects associated with medications prescribed

by a physician, one should probably notify the physician or perhaps call

a local emergency room during an off peak hour and ask for

recommendations -- one may or may not get anything substantive depending

upon where one lives and the local statutes.









Helen Horner wrote:

> 

> Hello everyone,

> 

> I've been trying to fight a number of health

> problems through diet and herbal remedies.

> Some successes. I'm about to go see my doctor

> again, who doesn't really know that I'm trying

> alternative options. Does everyone else share

> that kind of information with their doctors?

> 

> Almost by chance I ran across a Caregiverzone.com

> article talking about how some herbal treatments

> work against traditional medications, and can

> interfere with procedures by thinning the blood,

> etc. I thought I was unique in not telling my

> doctor, but the article said that often people

> don't because they're afraid of the doctor's

> response.

> 

> I both wanted to let everyone know that, and

> then also to ask where I could find some guide

> about what herbal remedies - besides the ones

> listed in the article - interfere with traditional

> western medicines. I wasn't exactly sure how

> serious and far-reaching the problems were and

> would like to see a complete study or comparison.

> 

> Thanks for additional information.

> 

> Helen Horner





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Subject: Re: alternative treatments mixing with traditional

From: garlicgr@pond.com (The Tetrad)

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:56:51 GMT

--------

, Helen Horner <apleanospam@pacsun.com> wrote:



>I've been trying to fight a number of health 

>problems through diet and herbal remedies. 

>Some successes. I'm about to go see my doctor

>again, who doesn't really know that I'm trying

>alternative options. Does everyone else share 

>that kind of information with their doctors? 



I share everything with my primary care doctor AND the local pharmist -- 

pharmists tend to know more about drug interactions, so I always give him a 

call and let him know what I'm doing and see what he thinks about the 

interactions.



Luckily, I've known my primary care doctor for over 12 years, so we've built 

up a good deal of trust.  Plus, we are close in age and went to the same 

college, so we tend to have similar viewpoints and trust each other's 

background.



Personally, if it's drug interactions you're worried about, I'd cultivate a 

relationship with a local pharmist.  If you're looking for acceptance and 

support for mixing alternative and conventional medicine, find a knowledgeable 

doctor that you can trust and will trust you.





Dinara, the garlic grower      

Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!          <*>



"The decision to feed the world is the real decision.  No revolution has chosen it.  For that choice requires that women shall be free."



--Adrienne Rich, poet



quoted by Vandana Shiva, Keynote Speaker

The Next Agricultural Revolution:  Reclaiming the PASAbilities

Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable Agriculture (PASA) Winter Conference 2000





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Subject: Re: alternative treatments mixing with traditional

From: "Carman" <calm@wave.co.nz>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:29:32 +1200

--------



Helen Horner <apleanospam@pacsun.com> wrote in message

news:MPG.133c280c5c3914c99896ad@news.mindspring.com...

> Hello everyone,

>

> I've been trying to fight a number of health

> problems through diet and herbal remedies.

> Some successes. I'm about to go see my doctor

> again, who doesn't really know that I'm trying

> alternative options. Does everyone else share

> that kind of information with their doctors?



no .... in general NZ Doctors rubbish alternative health remedies

it's posssible they see alternative remedies as competition

carman







> Almost by chance I ran across a Caregiverzone.com

> article talking about how some herbal treatments

> work against traditional medications, and can

> interfere with procedures by thinning the blood,

> etc. I thought I was unique in not telling my

> doctor, but the article said that often people

> don't because they're afraid of the doctor's

> response.

>

> I both wanted to let everyone know that, and

> then also to ask where I could find some guide

> about what herbal remedies - besides the ones

> listed in the article - interfere with traditional

> western medicines. I wasn't exactly sure how

> serious and far-reaching the problems were and

> would like to see a complete study or comparison.

>

> Thanks for additional information.

>

> Helen Horner

>









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Subject: Re: alternative treatments mixing with traditional

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:47:59 -0500

--------

>

> no .... in general NZ Doctors rubbish alternative health remedies

> it's posssible they see alternative remedies as competition

> carman

>

>

    I think you're right on the money, honey. As long as they see it as

competition, they will try to squash it on an economic basis. They will also

(some ethically, some just looking for another weapon to use to squash it)-

try to find fault with it as to whether people are being injured by

inappropriate use.

   HOWEVER, there is a subtle turnabout possible here, and we've seen it

many times before. Fashions change in medical practice. Suddenly it is

popular for medical schools to offer courses in alternative therapy. If

there is a buck to be made there, and the DOCTORS can make it, suddenly it's

OK. It has been given the medical seal of approval. And with that seal of

approval often comes regulation, control- and an AMAZING increase in price,

as everyone tries to get on the bandwagon.

   You would be best to find a medical practitioner already on the

bandwagon. That way your work is done for you. Your next best move is to try

to introduce the subject in a nonchallenging way, citing physicians who do

practice this way- hopefully not ones that your own fella considers quacks.

It is so irritating to have to play this game of 'MAY I'  when you'd just as

soon say 'F*** **f!'- and you may find yourself in that place. Consider

getting a medical degree- we all of us have that kind of time and money,

right??!!

   Doctors do have a responsibility to adhere to the present standard of

care. They can be hung out to dry if they do not- if they recommend that you

try an alternative therapy, and you suffer an injury, and it was not in the

accepted present standard of care, then you can sue them and win. Hence the

lemminglike behavior. No one wants to move- then it works for a few- then

suddenly everyone wants to move, and what was dangerous and unaccepted

becomes mainstream- til the next shift. Makes the client feel like a pawn,

or disputed territory.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

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Subject: Re: alternative treatments mixing with traditional

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:12:15 -0500

--------

   Appending a post to a post.. in the US, the medical profession

acknowledges the patient's right to act as they wish- no patient can be

forced to take a medication or undergo a treatment that they have refused.

However, they may be required or requested to sign a form stating that they

are acting AMA (against medical advice). This protects the medical

practitioner by way of documentation that they told the client so-and-so,

and then the person wouldn't follow the doc's advice. At some point the

medical practitioner might reasonably refuse to work further with a patient

who wouldn't follow the doc's advice.

   So with this reasoning they can't stop you from taking an herb unless the

herb is illegal or otherwise controlled.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

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Subject: Re: alternative treatments mixing with traditional

From: "Carman" <calm@wave.co.nz>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:49:54 +1200

--------

greeting Helen

also one or two other tihngs i would like to mention

Helen Horner <apleanospam@pacsun.com> wrote in message



> Almost by chance I ran across a Caregiverzone.com

> article talking about how some herbal treatments

> work against traditional medications, and can

> interfere with procedures by thinning the blood,

> etc. I thought I was unique in not telling my

> doctor, but the article said that often people

> don't because they're afraid of the doctor's

> response.



the term "traditional medications" hehe this always makes me laugh, so often

we forget that the herbs  _are_   the "traditional Medications"

but also there has been a big push in NZ, by the medical profession, to

change the status of herbal remedies and nutritional supplements,

re-classifying them as medicines.  The change in status would mean that we,

the people,  could no longer purchase such items from health food shops or

over the counter, the nutritional supplments and the herbal remedies would

have to be purchased by subscription ... which you would have to seek from a

doctor.

They're (the medical profession) still pushing for this,  various petitions

went around and there was a huge response of signatures from the public,

against the re-classification.

The alternative nutririon and supplement industry is a huge one here and the

medical profession want  _in_  on it, so they have been trying desperately

to get alternative remedies re-classified as restricted medicines.



We also have many people here who frequent Gyms .. body builders, sportsmen

etc, many of whom supplement their diets with vitamins minerals etc, so that

in itself is a huge industry for the "medical profession"  to Tap into

If we had to seek prescriptions from doctors for all these nutritional

supplements and alternative remedies at $30 per doc visit, then the doctors

would indeed be raking in a lot of money, just for okaying it and writing

out a script.



And here's a real doozy !! our local university has been doing a lot of

research on the remedial properties of tea tree honey, as antibiotic and

cure for burns and wounds..... so  _they_  (the pharmaceutical/medical

industry)   were trying to have tea tree honey classified as a medicine ....

so it would have to be purchased on prescription.

peac 'n aroha

carman



> I both wanted to let everyone know that, and

> then also to ask where I could find some guide

> about what herbal remedies - besides the ones

> listed in the article - interfere with traditional

> western medicines. I wasn't exactly sure how

> serious and far-reaching the problems were and

> would like to see a complete study or comparison.

>

> Thanks for additional information.

>

> Helen Horner

>









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Subject: Re: alternative treatments mixing with traditional

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass-nospam.net>

Date: 21 Mar 2000 10:46:45 GMT

--------

>

the term "traditional medications" hehe this always makes me laugh, so often

we forget that the herbs  _are_   the "traditional Medications"

but also there has been a big push in NZ, by the medical profession, to

change the status of herbal remedies and nutritional supplements,

re-classifying them as medicines.  The change in status would mean that we,

the people,  could no longer purchase such items from health food shops or

over the counter, the nutritional supplments and the herbal remedies would

have to be purchased by subscription ... which you would have to seek from a

doctor.

They're (the medical profession) still pushing for this,  various petitions

went around and there was a huge response of signatures from the public,

against the re-classification.

The alternative nutririon and supplement industry is a huge one here and the

medical profession want  _in_  on it, so they have been trying desperately

to get alternative remedies re-classified as restricted medicines.

>



I believe Thomas Jefferson, one of the founding fathers of the United States of

America, stated that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.  People should

try to find where their doctors stand on this issue and stay away from those

doctors that support the reclassification of nutritional supplements and herbal

remedies, as much as possible.  Let the people see those doctors as Medi-Nazis,

hopefully without punishing the more reasonable doctors.  Medical industry is

only trying to protect its business under the guise of protecting the public.

Are they trying to ban tobacco and alcohol, which no doubt kill a lot more

people that all the herbal remedies combined?  Medical industry is or should be

no more sacred than any other industry.  We don't want medical dictatorship.







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Subject: Re: alternative treatments mixing with traditional

From: Karla West <noemailI'm@homehiding.com>

Date: 20 Mar 2000 18:30:56 EST

--------

  There's already been some really interesting discussion here, but I 

wanted to add that I don't tell me clinician anything until herbal 

remedies have failed to fix a problem.  I have an herbalist.  I trust 

her, but I keep reading on my own, and learning, and just like all other 

home schooling, I believe that most of what I need I can find out myself.  

Of course this doesn't extend to the serious stuff.  I don't have any 

problem with surgery and other medical procedures.  I just don't think 

people should depend so heavily on any practitioner that they don't do 

any study for themselves.  I don't always know an answer, but I have a 

doctor who's sensitive to my ideas so when I'm really in trouble I go to 

her and she asks what I've trid and we go on from there.  I'm very happy 

with this arrangement.

  The only other thing I would add is that caregiverzone and other sites 

started by practitioners are a very healthy sign that people are taking 

their own education and their own decisions back into their own hands. 

This is just one of millions of online resources not just for health but 

for all wellbeing.

  I wish you good health ... Karla





> Almost by chance I ran across a Caregiverzone.com 

> article talking about how some herbal treatments 

> work against traditional medications, and can 

> interfere with procedures by thinning the blood, 

> etc. I thought I was unique in not telling my 

> doctor, but the article said that often people 

> don't because they're afraid of the doctor's 

> response.





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Subject: Re: alternative treatments mixing with traditional

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:00:00 -0700

--------

As a practicing clinical herbalist, I always check for side effects and

herb-drug interactions before I ever recommend any herbs to take along with

prescription drugs.  Problems occur when people take herbs without a

licensed or experienced practioner's analysis and recommendations.  A lot of

my work is weening people off thier drugs and into natural herbal and

nutritional alternatives.  Always check with a professional herbalist first

if you are also taking drugs.  Unfortunately many of the MD's and nurses

don't know anything about herbs.



Jasper



Helen Horner <apleanospam@pacsun.com> wrote in message

news:MPG.133c280c5c3914c99896ad@news.mindspring.com...

> Hello everyone,

>

> I've been trying to fight a number of health

> problems through diet and herbal remedies.

> Some successes. I'm about to go see my doctor

> again, who doesn't really know that I'm trying

> alternative options. Does everyone else share

> that kind of information with their doctors?

>

> Almost by chance I ran across a Caregiverzone.com

> article talking about how some herbal treatments

> work against traditional medications, and can

> interfere with procedures by thinning the blood,

> etc. I thought I was unique in not telling my

> doctor, but the article said that often people

> don't because they're afraid of the doctor's

> response.

>

> I both wanted to let everyone know that, and

> then also to ask where I could find some guide

> about what herbal remedies - besides the ones

> listed in the article - interfere with traditional

> western medicines. I wasn't exactly sure how

> serious and far-reaching the problems were and

> would like to see a complete study or comparison.

>

> Thanks for additional information.

>

> Helen Horner

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: German E Commission translations?

From: Don <harouffd@top.net>

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:23:58 -0600

--------

Anyone know of a site that has this on line for review?



Don





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Subject: Re: German E Commission translations?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:06:26 +0200

--------

Don <harouffd@top.net> wrote:

>Anyone know of a site that has this on line for review?



You'll find it here: http://healthlinks.washington.edu/textbooks/ but you have

to register in order to see it, and IIRC that's valid for 10 days. Unless of

course you find that the site is so good that you want to pay for continued

access.



Some samples are here: http://www2.outer.net/herbalgram/commission_e/index.html



A -very- good review is found here: http://www.teleport.com/~jonno/comm_e.html



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Feline Leukemia Treatment Program?

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2000 13:45:20 

--------





	 H> From: herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)



(First of all, I know better than to comment on anything like this,

but I guess I have no better sense this a.m. ...  :)



>>"HerbAssist" <herbassist@aol.com> wrote in message

>>> >> >..., but myfriend's cat, ... has feline leukemia, ...



>>> >> >Now, I know FL can't be cured.



>>> >> I disagree. Leukemias are generally viral in origin, ...

>>> >>And leukemias respond very well to pau d' arco which is

>>> >>... (even) better when combined with sulfur bearing herbs.



>>> >And you of course have documented scientific research ...



(My, how far we've come in this, the 21st century...   :)  It may

surprise us to learn how much is a part of our life, that we just

accept... without any "scientific research"...  (not that research

is bad, just not always *nessary*, or even "proof", for that matter,:)



>>> Oh my God... It' s the reincarnation of Aaron Fox!!!



>>... here before Aaron. ... still spouting your pseudo-scientific

>>explanations.  Just because something works in vitro doesn't

>>mean it works in vivo.  ...*lots* of things that work against

>>viruses in vitro - common household bleach works just fine, but

>> I don't recommend drinking any.  And ... All I'm asking you to

>> do is give me a reference for this new information, that's all.



And, that's not bad, either.  But it isn't always  *proof*, as our

daily news/scientific segments let us know.  It is only as those

tests have shown, with those numbers, or the agenda of those doing

the results.  (and we all have agendas, don't we...   :)



 H>... Interesting what you guys accept as evidence and proof.



Scepticism is alive and well and it always will be... you just work

around it.  It 's just ashamed that so many people live a limited

life, or die, never knowing that there may have been another choice

for them, ... you know, like the old expression, "just like chicken

soup", can't hurt...



For years (maybe even centuries) there was controversy over the

benefits, if any, of eating chicken soup to make one with a cold or

the flu, feel better.  Mother's and Grandmother's didn't need

evidence *or* proof...  Low and behold, several years ago, we were

told, Hey, look what we found!



I am constantly amazed at how we fight "control" by others, yet,

out of fear, the bulk of our life is controlled, and often, we aren't

able to see it.



I have much to be greatful for, where pau d' arco is  concerned,

so I need no other proof than it worked for me!  I'm more than

thankful for someone willing to share with me the fact that it may

prove helpful for the situation I was facing.  It may not hold true

for anyone else, (tho I know this isn't the case,)  but it is an herb

that I am thankful for.



While I have no experience with FL, I won't hesitate to add it

to my pet's water dish,...  I can't think of a single reason why

I shouldn't... unless someone were able to show me how it may

pose some danger.  I guess it is the old glass half full/glass half

empty situation...  When I face a situation that leaves me with,

what looks like, bad to worse choices, I like to think I choose

the least bad of those.



cheers,

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Subject: Herb For Older Dog's Arthritis?

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2000 14:34:16 

--------





	 D> From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)



 D> Sorry to post so much with so many questions, everyone!



Don't worry about it...



 D> ...  herbal remedy I can safely give my dog on a consistent

 D> basis for his aching joints.



I wish I had a good herbal story to add, here, but:



I took our poodle (had her before we had any of our children, so

she was held in high regard in our family   :)  to the vet because

she had the same type situation happening.  He told me that she

had pulled/torn some tendons in her legs and would have to have

surgery. Several $000.00 worth, as a matter of fact!  *Or* I

could have her put to sleep...  quite a variety of choices he gave

me, eh?   I took her home, gave her a good warm, soaking (which

*she* wasn't pleased about, but, hey, I'm untrained as a dog   :)

After her 'soaking', I made a bed for her under a heat lamp, seems

like it was about 15 minutes or so...  (and I, of course, had to sit

there and keep her under it, as she had other plans  :)  but the

next time she went outside, she went under her own  steam!  No

one could believe it when they saw her outside,  as I had been

physically taking her outside and up and down the stairs, as she

couldn't make it by herself.  It took several treatments for her

to be able to manuver the stairs by herself, but she did not have

to be subjected to surgery.  And, she didn't have to be put to sleep,

but lived many more years!



Seems like I used Heet somehow, that very first day, but I'll have

to ask my family if any of them remember what I did with that.

I know I wouldn't have put it directly on her, as she would have

licked at it and that wouldn't have been good.  Maybe I used it in

her bedding somehow.  I also began adding lecithin to her food, so

this may have had something to do with her improvement, tho that

would have been longterm, as it wouldn't have gone to work quickly,

I don't think.



I have no scientific evidence as to the lecithin's worth, ... I have

no scientific evidence for *any* of it... only that she lived to be

over 20 years old, and when this incident occured, she wasn't yet

10 years old!  But my treatment did no harm, and it was far more

gentle than the choices offered.  Also, the ones offered me by the

vet were not going to happen, so, ...



 D> He's not always achy, but sometimes, by evening, he

 D> struggles to get up the steps and struggles to lie down or get

 D> up.



 D> I'd like to try treating him myself here at home with herbs

 D> first....rather than zipping him over to the vet where they'll

 D> sting me with a tremendous bill and tons of prescriptions.  I

 D> don't want him on prescription meds for the rest of his

 D> life....if I can find a remedy with herbs, I'd rather that for

 D> him.



 D> Any ideas?



Hope my story offers you a choice.  My dog's turned out to be

arthritis, I think... The vet, after he saw how beautifully she had

responded to my (untrained) therapy, gave her some little tablets

that "she would *have* to stay on for the rest of her life!", which

she could *always* hold in her throat, and throw back out, or *find*

in any morsel of food, just as soon as I took my finger away... (I

was finally able to give them down her in grapes... but she didn't

take them very long, as she preferred her grapes 'plain'   :)



cheers,

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Subject: Re: Herb For Older Dog's Arthritis?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 19 Mar 2000 16:55:16 GMT

--------





I've heard others say they've given their large breed dogs, especially ones

that are pre-disposed to suffer from arthritis, aspirin to ease joint pain. 

I'm scared to give my dog anything without professional guidance, but I will

definitely ask my vet how much might be considered safe for Jake.  He's about

40 pounds -- he's definitely part Golden Retriever and we think possibly Border

Collie (which explains the smaller size).  Thanks for the suggestion......I'll

certainly look into it! :o)

Diana



>"LWakefield" wrote:





>

>I know one of my neighbors was giving his German shepard aspirin; dosage and

>brand specified by his vet. Can't remember what the brand or dose was.

>

>--

>L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

>to stay inside the lines when parking.

>--





"The Wood Nymph", the Dryad:  Half human and half plant, she tends to the flora

and the fauna of the forest with tender loving care.  The shy, wild animals

trust her fully because they know they can always depend on her for kindness

and understanding.





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Subject: Re: Herb For Older Dog's Arthritis?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 21 Mar 2000 04:53:44 GMT

--------

>: Kenneth Masner wrote:



>Trader Joe's has good prices on

>it, if there's one near you; they have their locations listed on the

>Net, but they don't do mail order.

>



Thanks!  I'll check out Trader Joe's and see if there's one near me.  :o)



Diana

"The Wood Nymph", the Dryad:  Half human and half plant, she tends to the flora

and the fauna of the forest with tender loving care.  The shy, wild animals

trust her fully because they know they can always depend on her for kindness

and understanding.





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Subject: Re: Herb For Older Dog's Arthritis?

From: doolittle66@aol.com (Doolittle66)

Date: 21 Mar 2000 04:57:33 GMT

--------

>Kenneth Masner wrote:





>

>They do prescribe buffered aspirin for dogs.  But do it through a vet

>-- can be tough on the stomach.  KM

>



Good point (about the stomach irritation)!  I'll check w/a professional about

the aspirin.  :o)



Diana

"The Wood Nymph", the Dryad:  Half human and half plant, she tends to the flora

and the fauna of the forest with tender loving care.  The shy, wild animals

trust her fully because they know they can always depend on her for kindness

and understanding.





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Subject: Re: Herb For Older Dog's Arthritis?

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 06:12:13 -0800

--------

What about glucosamine?









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Subject: Re: Herb For Older Dog's Arthritis?

From: bluhmoon@aol.com (BluhMoon)

Date: 27 Mar 2000 01:13:35 GMT

--------



Glucosamine might end up being my choice of remedy for my dog.  The thing is,

it's quite expensive, even in discount pet supply stores, but I'll do whatever

I need to help him!  I just wondered if there was an herbal recipe that I could

make with fresh herbs here at home to help.  But the glucosamine is a great

choice.  Thanks for replying!



Diana



>"ma pickle" wrote:



>What about glucosamine?

>

>









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Subject: Bone spur

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2000 14:43:16 

--------





	 p> From: "poet@primenet.com" < poet@primenet.com>



 p> Hello all,

 p> I have a spur on my heel and it is quite painful.  ... am using

 p> heel pads in my shoes, but it flares up once in a while and

 p> then taking a walk is no fun at all.



Just curious...not herbal, but have you tried raising your arches

with more arch support?  ... helped mine tremendously!  I *had*

used Yucca Root (encapsulated), but with the arch supports, no

Yucca Root needed for that...



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Subject: Re: Bone spur

From: "jean" <vitranjx@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:59:49 -0600

--------

I have had this problem...it is terribly painful..sometimes being worse than

others...and eventually it goes away...and sometimes comes back again....



I was told to do stretching exercises to stretch the back of the calves as

this was tight and making it (the spur) hurt more...



I did the exercises and still continue when I think of it....



but since I have had the outbreak of pain I had read in one of my herbal

magazines to make a paste of Vitamin C and water and apply to the area,

bandage it up so that it doesn't fall off...and wear (make new paste) every

day....until pain is gone...I told this to a friend of mine...she tried

it...and it worked....!!  What can I say....?? I guess the Vitamin C is

suppose to draw the pain out....can't hurt...hmmm???



Blessings...



jean



WL Sakowski <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com> wrote in message

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>

>

> p> From: "poet@primenet.com" < poet@primenet.com>

>

>  p> Hello all,

>  p> I have a spur on my heel and it is quite painful.  ... am using

>  p> heel pads in my shoes, but it flares up once in a while and

>  p> then taking a walk is no fun at all.

>

> Just curious...not herbal, but have you tried raising your arches

> with more arch support?  ... helped mine tremendously!  I *had*

> used Yucca Root (encapsulated), but with the arch supports, no

> Yucca Root needed for that...

>

> cheers,

> wlsakowski

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Subject: Re: hypothyroid problem

From: crosseyedmaire@aol.com (CrossEyedMaire)

Date: 18 Mar 2000 15:39:53 GMT

--------

Shelley,

I have recently been diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I have a question regarding

the herbal treatment you are using. Do you have bloodtests to check your

thyroid levels? 

It sounds a bit risky to treat something as serious as a thyroid condition

without knowing what your level is, via bloodtests.

Please respond. I am very interested in a more natural treatment.

Thank you,

Ronnie





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Subject: Re: hypothyroid problem

From: kryptical0@aol.com (Jennifer)

Date: 20 Mar 2000 14:30:09 GMT

--------

Hi to both of you,

  I have been diagnosed with thhis as well.  Interestingly enough, while on my

usual trip to England, I picked up a book in my favorite organic food store by

a naturopathic doctor entitled "Coping with thyroid Problems"  I had no idea

that any soy products can actually suppress the thyroid!  i.e-if I had eaten

tofu the day before my test, and its likely that I did, it would show on my

blood test that I was hypothyroid!  

  Anyway, I'm on 50 micrograms of synthroid at the moment, but really desire to

cease taking it & try a natural regimine.  I am also very interested to find

out if you get your blood levels checked, to make sure you have the proper

amount of TSH and T4.  What worries me is that my TSH levels were So high

(consequently my thyroid is underactive)....this means that my thyroid is

working properly, but my pituitary gland is  NOT, since it is the one that

makes the TSH.  Everyone that has hypothyroidism has it for a different reason.

 Sorry to ramble here, but I've really learned alot from this book, as well as

from other sources, and I want to share it with anyone who shares this

condition with me.  Please email me or post here to let us both know if you

have regular blood tests to make sure your natural regimine is working

properly.

I went through a terrible depression several weeks ago & quit taking the

synthroid for a week.  Never had I felt so happy, so upbeat, so alive.  Then my

friend told his doctor, and she said I needed to get back on it immediately, or

I would suffer from "thyroid failure" and could die.  Who knows?



All the best,

Jennifer





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Subject: Re: hypothyroid problem

From: crosseyedmaire@aol.com (CrossEyedMaire)

Date: 20 Mar 2000 15:12:28 GMT

--------

Hi Jennifer~

I am just beginning with the lowest dose of Synthroid and having blood tests

(while fasting) to check the levels, and will have the doseage adjusted

accordingly. I hope I can find that book you mentioned, as I have had thyroid

problems from childhood on, and never knew that about the soy products!!

I am also waiting to hear from anyone who is trying herbal treatment. Your post

was interesting. Thanks!

~Ronnie





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Subject: Re: hypothyroid problem

From: dirtroad <dirtroadNOdiSPAM@altavista.com.invalid>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:07:19 -0800

--------

Acupuncture or reiki.

Acupuncuturists are awesome, and

they can treat diseases like this.

Make sure you are getting enough

calcium and vitamin D.  Exercise-

very very important...there are

yoga postures for hypothyroid also.





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Subject: Re: hypothyroid problem

From: "dawns13" <dawns@surfnetcorp.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:33:02 -0600

--------

Hi!

There is a newsgroup for thyroid problems and they have plenty to say about

synthroid and the other alternatives. Synthroid was recently involved in a

class action suit because of some very questionable practices, particularily

in regards to the claims they make regarding what synthroid can do for a

thyroid problem. I would seriously look into alternatives. There is far

better medication out there, and there are definite dietary changes that can

help, as well as lifestyle changes.



thanks!

Dawn



CrossEyedMaire <crosseyedmaire@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20000318103953.02128.00003182@ng-fz1.aol.com...

> Shelley,

> I have recently been diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I have a question

regarding

> the herbal treatment you are using. Do you have bloodtests to check your

> thyroid levels?

> It sounds a bit risky to treat something as serious as a thyroid condition

> without knowing what your level is, via bloodtests.

> Please respond. I am very interested in a more natural treatment.

> Thank you,

> Ronnie









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Subject: Re: hypothyroid problem

From: "Lani Loring" <llhowell@sonic.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:25:51 GMT

--------

I am a devout alternative/herbal woman who takes Armour thyroid (natural

bovine thyroid) daily because nothing else did the trick. There is a lot of

wonderful information & links about thyroid compiled by Mary Shoman in the

about.com website. Look under health/fitness, diseases, thyroid disease.

Information about tests, soy, related symptoms, various supplements, some

alternative information, & much more. I highly recommend it! The thyroid

newsgroup is also great for information, although they are much less

alternatively oriented.











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Subject: Rosemary

From: crosseyedmaire@aol.com (CrossEyedMaire)

Date: 18 Mar 2000 15:54:40 GMT

--------

Hi everyone. I am new to this newsgroup and hope to learn a lot.

Just wondered if anyone else has tried this.

I made a Rosemary tea, by boiling a small pan of water and then steeping about

three 6" sprigs of rosemary until the water cooled. 

I then washed my hair (with regular shampoo) and used the Rosemary water as a

rinse. My hair was as shiney as when I was 8 years old! Beautiful!



~Ronnie the newbie

(Rhonda)







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Subject: Caraway seeds

From: nomail@please.net

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 06:02:24 GMT

--------

After reading the addicted to nutmeg thread, I'm almost afraid to ask,

but does anyone know if there are any health hazards or benefits

associated with caraway seeds?  I really love the things.   Since

several months ago, I always keep a bottle of them on hand and will

frequently chew on a small amount until all of their taste is gone

before swallowing them.  I find their somewhat minty flavor

delightful, and definitely preferable over breath mints.  I consume

probably 1-2 oz. of them a week, not counting those in rye bread.

Other than their use as a spice, what's the scoop?   What (if

anything) am I doing to myself?





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Subject: Re: Caraway seeds

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:16:01 +0200

--------

nomail@please.net wrote:

>does anyone know if there are any health hazards or benefits

>associated with caraway seeds?  I really love the things.   Since

(snip)

>Other than their use as a spice, what's the scoop?   What (if

>anything) am I doing to myself?



Helping your appetite, digestion, removing gas, and helping your appetite.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Caraway seeds

From: garlicgr@pond.com (The Tetrad)

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:58:36 GMT

--------

In article <63s8dsc44b52nsf3rpnvmtas9jf4dir09j@4ax.com>, hetta@saunalahti.fi wrote:



>Helping your appetite, digestion, removing gas, and helping your appetite.



In other words, all the calories we're saving by munching on caraway seeds 

instead of breath mints is going to come back to haunt us later in the day as 

an ice cream craving? ;-D





Dinara, the garlic grower      

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Subject: Re: Diverticulitis - herbal suggestions?

From: "Don Edwards" <d.edwards@webleicester.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:45:06 -0000

--------



"Don Edwards" <d.edwards@webleicester.co.uk> wrote in message news:...

> Having had a recent diagnosis of Diverticulitis and infomed by a

consultant

> it will continue to be a problem I am seeking appropriate advice from

> complentary therapies.

> Can anyone assist?

>

> Yours

> Don Edwards

>

>









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Subject: Re: Diverticulitis - herbal suggestions?

From: Aisling <>

Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:32:43 -0800

--------

Hm... I was really hoping someone would respond to your question.  My

mother was also just recently diagnosed with diverticulitis.  Her

doctor put her on a brief (3 days) liquid fast, along with some

medication but I am unaware of what sort.  I started looking into the

condition on medical sites, and based on what I saw there, it seems to

confirm my belief that doing a fast (the lemonade fast is excellent,

especially the salt water wash that accompanies it) several times a

year.  And clearly a colon friendly diet is in order.  Please let me

know if you find anything else out regarding herbal therapy.



Erin



On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:45:06 -0000, "Don Edwards"

<d.edwards@webleicester.co.uk> wrote:



>

>"Don Edwards" <d.edwards@webleicester.co.uk> wrote in message news:...

>> Having had a recent diagnosis of Diverticulitis and infomed by a

>consultant

>> it will continue to be a problem I am seeking appropriate advice from

>> complentary therapies.

>> Can anyone assist?

>>

>> Yours

>> Don Edwards

>>

>>

>







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Subject: Re: Diverticulitis - herbal suggestions?

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:03:37 -0500

--------

When my husband had diverticulitis, the bowel was rested, in terms of clear

liquids only until the pain relieved. Also was given flagyl and cipro

(orally) for control of infection. He had had a small amount of bleeding

from the bowel, and guarding when his LLQ was palpated. But no fever, and he

did not get sicker, which would have indicated that the diverticulum had

perforated. I was surprised and quite pleased that our family practitionaer

was willing to have us stay at home, as I had previously only seen IV

antibiotics and accompanying hospitalization for this. I am an ED nurse, and

we know and trust each other. But he does know how to diagnose, treat

economically, and use the art and science of medicine as it should be used.

He is a D. O., BTW. Don't discount the osteopaths. The risk with

diverticulitis is that the inflammation actually perforates the bowel,

releasing bowel contents into the peritoneum and potentially being as much

of a killer as appendicitis can be when the appendix ruptures.

   AFTER the inflammation had subsided, he went onto a fiber-rich diet. But

if you don't wait til the inflammation subsides, I believe fiber would

irritate and worsen the situation.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



HerbAssist <herbassist@aol.com> wrote in message

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> >Hm... I was really hoping someone would respond to your question.  My

> >mother was also just recently diagnosed with diverticulitis.  Her

> >doctor put her on a brief (3 days) liquid fast, along with some

> >medication but I am unaware of what sort.  I started looking into the

> >condition on medical sites, and based on what I saw there, it seems to

> >confirm my belief that doing a fast (the lemonade fast is excellent,

> >especially the salt water wash that accompanies it) several times a

> >year.  And clearly a colon friendly diet is in order.  Please let me

> >know if you find anything else out regarding herbal therapy.

> >

> >Erin

> >

> >On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:45:06 -0000, "Don Edwards"

> ><d.edwards@webleicester.co.uk> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>"Don Edwards" <d.edwards@webleicester.co.uk> wrote in message news:...

> >>> Having had a recent diagnosis of Diverticulitis and infomed by a

> >>consultant

> >>> it will continue to be a problem I am seeking appropriate advice from

> >>> complentary therapies.

> >>> Can anyone assist?

> >>>

> >>> Yours

> >>> Don Edwards

>

> Fiber is important to help cleanse the pockets and to provide silica for

> elastin formation. Use soft fibers though such as oatstraw powder and rice

> bran. Sulfur and vitamin C are also required for elastin formation.









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Subject: Cat deterrant

From: Gracetown Emerald <nospam@webart.org.uk>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:42:45 +0000

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A while back someone on this group recommended a deterrent for cats in

the garden. Unfortunately I noted it for a neighbour (who has moved

on)  and I forgot to keep the details for myself. I think it was to

scatter tea bags soaked in eucalyptus - any ideas that might keep me

up to date?



The days are getting brighter and the cats are getting cheekier!





Thanks





Annie







www.webart.org.uk/gracetown





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Subject: Re: Cat deterrant

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 19 Mar 2000 19:29:47 GMT

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Seems to me I heard that scattering citrus peels, be they orange, grapefruit,

whatever, keeps the cats away.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Cat deterrant

From: Gracetown Emerald <nospam@webart.org.uk>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:24:04 +0000

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On 19 Mar 2000 19:29:47 GMT, bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs) wrote:



>Seems to me I heard that scattering citrus peels, be they orange, grapefruit,

>whatever, keeps the cats away.

>

>Belinda





Sounds about right - they certainly keep me away from my husband if

he's been chewing anything citrussy!





Thanks







www.webart.org.uk/gracetown





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Subject: Re: Cat deterrant

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 04:11:35 -0700

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Gracetown Emerald <nospam@webart.org.uk> wrote:



>A while back someone on this group recommended a deterrent for cats in

>the garden. Unfortunately I noted it for a neighbour (who has moved

>on)  and I forgot to keep the details for myself.



Physical:

1. For small areas, place a piece of chickenwire on the soil.  If

you want planting pockets, use larger holed wire such as "hog

wire" or cut holes where you want to plant things.  

2. Large chunk bark mulch or large gravel mulch hurts their paws

when they dig.  Rock mulch keeps them from digging at all. 



Chemical:

  Cats sniff first, pee later, so these are pretty effective.

However they have to be replaced while the physical deterrents

are much longer lasting.



1. Chili peppers. Either sprinkle HOT chili powder liberally over

the area or run several fresh chilis through a blender and use

the chili water.  Habaneros, serranos and jalapenos are the most

effective. 



2. Citrus ... most cats despise all citrus fruit.  Run them

through the blender with some water and use the water in the area

they are turning into a litter box. 



3. Strong mints ... mixed blessing.  Some hate it, others are

attracted by it. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Cat deterrant

From: erik@scatmat.com

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:33:36 GMT

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Hi Annie,

I just ran across a UK Gardening FAQ on the subject of keeping Cats Out

online at: http://www.tmac.clara.co.uk/urgring/faqcats1.htm

Herbal wasn't the focus, but cats were. :-)

Cheers,

Erik Djukastein

Contech Intelligent Animal Control

'makers of the Scarecrow Garden Protector'

Searchable database and more at www.scatmat.com

In article <nn7ads486v3clr7s430e41sicn468l8m9e@4ax.com>,

Gracetown Emerald <nospam@webart.org.uk> wrote:

> A while back someone on this group recommended a deterrent for cats in

> the garden. Unfortunately I noted it for a neighbour (who has moved

> on) and I forgot to keep the details for myself. I think it was to

> scatter tea bags soaked in eucalyptus - any ideas that might keep me

> up to date?

>

> The days are getting brighter and the cats are getting cheekier!

>

> Thanks

>

> Annie

>

> www.webart.org.uk/gracetown

>





Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Before you buy.





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Subject: Re: Cat deterrant

From: Zaphod & Trillian <heart@gold.net>

Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:55:36 -0800

--------

Try scattering citrus peels around.  It works for me.



Gracetown Emerald wrote:

> 

> A while back someone on this group recommended a deterrent for cats in

> the garden. Unfortunately I noted it for a neighbour (who has moved

> on)  and I forgot to keep the details for myself. I think it was to

> scatter tea bags soaked in eucalyptus - any ideas that might keep me

> up to date?

> 

> The days are getting brighter and the cats are getting cheekier!

> 

> Thanks

> 

> Annie

> 

> www.webart.org.uk/gracetown





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Subject: Herbal/Aromatherapy Newsletter and List

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:34:45 -0500

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Subject: Allergies

From: "Lani Loring" <llhowell@sonic.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:46:52 GMT

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Does anyone have any favorite remedies for allergic reactions to airborne

pollens? It is beautiful weather here in Northern California, blooming trees

abound: Acacia, Plum, Pear, Tulip, etc., but many of us are suffering with

all the wind happening! Congested sinuses, heavy head, fatigue, red face &

eyes, swollen glands. Ouch..... As I've been watching my diet (lots of

greens, no dairy/meat/alcohol), I'm now searching for herbal remedies

instead of resorting to Claritin! Thanks for any responses....









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Subject: Re: Allergies

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:07:11 -0700

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Yerba Mansa is a great herb for that hay fever congestion, head cold, and

boggy sinuses, espically if there is an infection present.  You can make a

water percolation (1:10) and add 20%glycerine and 10% alcohol to preserve

it.  Use it as a nasal spray.  Horray for making changes in your diet, but

make sure you are still getting plenty of protien!  Try nettles tea as a

nutrative tonic and antihystimine (let it steep overnight).



Jasper



Lani Loring <llhowell@sonic.net> wrote in message

news:01bB4.30$RN3.679@typhoon.sonic.net...

> Does anyone have any favorite remedies for allergic reactions to airborne

> pollens? It is beautiful weather here in Northern California, blooming

trees

> abound: Acacia, Plum, Pear, Tulip, etc., but many of us are suffering with

> all the wind happening! Congested sinuses, heavy head, fatigue, red face &

> eyes, swollen glands. Ouch..... As I've been watching my diet (lots of

> greens, no dairy/meat/alcohol), I'm now searching for herbal remedies

> instead of resorting to Claritin! Thanks for any responses....

>

>









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Subject: Re: Allergies

From: "Robert H. Keith" <dragonbob@dragonherbarium.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:22:32 -0800

--------

My wife suffers from allergies and we have tried many herbal remedies and the

only one that really works is freeze dried nettles.

Robert Keith

Dragon Herbarium

"http://www.dragonherbarium.com"



Lani Loring wrote:



> Does anyone have any favorite remedies for allergic reactions to airborne

> pollens? It is beautiful weather here in Northern California, blooming trees

> abound: Acacia, Plum, Pear, Tulip, etc., but many of us are suffering with

> all the wind happening! Congested sinuses, heavy head, fatigue, red face &

> eyes, swollen glands. Ouch..... As I've been watching my diet (lots of

> greens, no dairy/meat/alcohol), I'm now searching for herbal remedies

> instead of resorting to Claritin! Thanks for any responses....







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To: "Robert H. Keith" <dragonbob@dragonherbarium.com>

Subject: Re: Allergies

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:17:24 -0500

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Although studies have been done with freeze-dried nettles

for alleviating allergies, I've had good results with clients

who were only drinking an infusion made from the

dried leaves. This is really a nutritive, supportive

solution (IOW, one cuppa tea isn't going to help, but

drinking 2 to 3 cups per day for a couple of weeks

may.)



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



Robert H. Keith wrote:



> My wife suffers from allergies and we have tried many herbal remedies and the

> only one that really works is freeze dried nettles.

> Robert Keith

> Dragon Herbarium

> "http://www.dragonherbarium.com"

>

> Lani Loring wrote:

>

> > Does anyone have any favorite remedies for allergic reactions to airborne

> > pollens? It is beautiful weather here in Northern California, blooming trees

> > abound: Acacia, Plum, Pear, Tulip, etc., but many of us are suffering with

> > all the wind happening! Congested sinuses, heavy head, fatigue, red face &

> > eyes, swollen glands. Ouch..... As I've been watching my diet (lots of

> > greens, no dairy/meat/alcohol), I'm now searching for herbal remedies

> > instead of resorting to Claritin! Thanks for any responses....







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Subject: Re: Allergies

From: mouser <gmouser@iamnow.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:42:48 -0500

--------

Have you tried using locally grown raw honey?



> Lani Loring wrote:

>

> > Does anyone have any favorite remedies for allergic reactions to airborne

> > pollens? It is beautiful weather here in Northern California, blooming trees

> > abound: Acacia, Plum, Pear, Tulip, etc., but many of us are suffering with

> > all the wind happening! Congested sinuses, heavy head, fatigue, red face &

> > eyes, swollen glands. Ouch..... As I've been watching my diet (lots of

> > greens, no dairy/meat/alcohol), I'm now searching for herbal remedies

> > instead of resorting to Claritin! Thanks for any responses....











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Subject: Re: Allergies

From: Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz>

Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:13:20 +1200

--------

This post not CC'd by email

 On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:22:32 -0800, "Robert H. Keith"

<dragonbob@dragonherbarium.com> wrote:



>My wife suffers from allergies and we have tried many herbal remedies and the

>only one that really works is freeze dried nettles.

>Robert Keith



G'day G'day,  



  Quercetin has a good reputation.  

The bioavailablity from onion is good. 



I mix nettle tea with green tea, one tea bag of each.

Add ginger if you like. 



My mother's recipe for almost everything was a hot drink made from,

Blackcurrent jam, ginger and manuka honey. 



-- 

Quentin Grady       ^  ^  /

New Zealand,       >#,#< [

                    / \ /\    

"... and the blind dog was leading." 



http://linux.inhb.co.nz/blind-dog





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Subject: Re: Allergies

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass-nospam.net>

Date: 25 Mar 2000 10:28:30 GMT

--------

>

Although studies have been done with freeze-dried nettles

for alleviating allergies, I've had good results with clients

who were only drinking an infusion made from the

dried leaves. This is really a nutritive, supportive

solution (IOW, one cuppa tea isn't going to help, but

drinking 2 to 3 cups per day for a couple of weeks

may.)



Cathy, Wise Weeds

>



How much dried nettle leaves or herb would be used for a given amount of water?

If nettles are really a nutritive, supportive solution rather than a direct

attack, what would be the advantage of nettles over other herbs such as alfalfa,

yerba santa, grindelia, horsetail, goldenrod, southernwood, U.S. ephedra?



>

My wife suffers from allergies and we have tried many herbal remedies and the

only one that really works is freeze dried nettles.

Robert Keith

Dragon Herbarium

>



Do freeze-dried nettles come only in capsules?  How many capsules per day, or

how much in another form, would one take?



(Remove -nospam from email address)







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Subject: Re: Allergies

From: Zaphod & Trillian <heart@gold.net>

Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:52:34 -0800

--------

Nettles help with the allergic reaction, but prevention is

actually more effective.  At most drugstores, you can buy

germ filter masks and these will keep out pollen as well.

I wear them when I am forced to be in crowds of people

because I am allergic to scents and many people wear a

lot of scents.  There are also certain areas in stores that

one is sometimes forced to walk through that are laden with

scents.  I was delighted when smoking was prohibited in lots

of places, but I am afraid that it may be a very long time

before scents are prohibited.





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Subject: Re: Allergies

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:04:56 -0500

--------

yes, and even then how are they going to prohibit BO and smelly sox, or

halitosis?



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



Zaphod & Trillian <heart@gold.net> wrote in message

news:38DD9792.2D74@gold.net...

> Nettles help with the allergic reaction, but prevention is

> actually more effective.  At most drugstores, you can buy

> germ filter masks and these will keep out pollen as well.

> I wear them when I am forced to be in crowds of people

> because I am allergic to scents and many people wear a

> lot of scents.  There are also certain areas in stores that

> one is sometimes forced to walk through that are laden with

> scents.  I was delighted when smoking was prohibited in lots

> of places, but I am afraid that it may be a very long time

> before scents are prohibited.









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Subject: Post Stroke

From: "Carman" <calm@wave.co.nz>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:30:53 +1200

--------

Greetings



Two members of our (both mine and my husbands) family suffered stroke more

than a year ago. Both of them managed to retain normal mobility but have

been physically weakened.



One of them has been taking orthodox medical prescriptions my husbands

family considers the side negative effects outwiegh any positive effects

which are doubtful.

The other refuses othodox drugs but suffers from continued dizzy spells,

nausea similar to morning sickness, difficulty in focussing the eyes.



I am wondering if anyone here would know of herbs suitable for someone

suffering the long term effect of stroke ... aneurism (spelling?)

I have thought the Gingko might help improve the memory and maybe alertness.

Peppermint tea for nausea

Does anyone know of anything else that would improve stability and assist

with nausea?

Many thanks for any ideas

carman









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Subject: Re: Post Stroke

From: "Carman" <calm@wave.co.nz>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:06:12 +1200

--------



Carman <calm@wave.co.nz> wrote in message

news:8b3fj8$aqu$2@news.wave.co.nz...

> Greetings

>

> Two members of our (both mine and my husbands) family suffered stroke more

> than a year ago. Both of them managed to retain normal mobility but have

> been physically weakened.

>

> One of them has been taking orthodox medical prescriptions my husbands

> family considers the side negative effects outwiegh any positive effects

> which are doubtful.

> The other refuses othodox drugs but suffers from continued dizzy spells,

> nausea similar to morning sickness, difficulty in focussing the eyes.

>

> I am wondering if anyone here would know of herbs suitable for someone

> suffering the long term effect of stroke ... aneurism (spelling?)

> I have thought the Gingko might help improve the memory and maybe

alertness.

> Peppermint tea for nausea

> Does anyone know of anything else that would improve stability and assist

> with nausea?

> Many thanks for any ideas

> carman

>

ps i was just reading a website which spoke of the propensity for gingko to

cause bleeding, (particularly if used with aspirin) maybe advisable not to

use gingko post-stroke ? anyone have any ideas?



carman









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Subject: Re: Post Stroke

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:31:33 -0500

--------





--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

Carman <calm@wave.co.nz> wrote in message

news:8b3fj8$aqu$2@news.wave.co.nz...

> Greetings

>

> Two members of our (both mine and my husbands) family suffered stroke more

> than a year ago. Both of them managed to retain normal mobility but have

> been physically weakened.

>

> One of them has been taking orthodox medical prescriptions my husbands

> family considers the side negative effects outwiegh any positive effects

> which are doubtful.



   I am always extremely wary when the issue is presented in terms of 'the

FAMILY has an objection'. What does the PATIENT say? I have seen patients

and their care become battlegrounds as dysfunctional families continue their

feuds and issues at the ailing person's bedside- not to suggest that that is

happening in this case- but I would say ALWAYS ask the patient if they are

at all verbally responsive, or can otherwise indicate their wishes. One must

remember that they are the primary sufferers. Admitted that the family-

inasmuch as they participate in care- are also affected by side effects. But

say- a drug makes the person hurt less and think more clearly- but it

increases urinary incontinence and increases tremors, requiring frequent

peri-care and assistance in eating. Does the family have the right to turn

down the drug because it means more work for them? Hopefully the patient has

healthcare coverage and someone willing to stand up for them and obtain

assisted living services- otherwise the patient's quality of life issues may

be lost in the family's quality of life issues. Again, I am not trying to

suggest that this is a problem in your family. But I have seen it happen,

and I was boiling mad, let me tell you. The family in that case was a

totally rabid bunch who would take turns singling out the 'bad nurse' of the

day, and making his/her life Hell; then arguing ceaselessly over what should

be done for their dying family member. The poor guy had his sufferings

extremely multipled by their BS, and God help the health practitioner who

gently suggested that he might could use less commotion and strife. It was

HORRIBLE.

(Sorry, that was many years ago but I guess it still bothers me. Be good to

your family members. It could be you in that bed next.)



> The other refuses othodox drugs but suffers from continued dizzy spells,

> nausea similar to morning sickness, difficulty in focussing the eyes.

>

> I am wondering if anyone here would know of herbs suitable for someone

> suffering the long term effect of stroke ... aneurism (spelling?)

> I have thought the Gingko might help improve the memory and maybe

alertness.

> Peppermint tea for nausea

> Does anyone know of anything else that would improve stability and assist

> with nausea?

> Many thanks for any ideas

> carman

>

>









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Subject: Re: Post Stroke

From: "Carman" <calm@wave.co.nz>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:26:01 +1200

--------

Ok Wakefield I've recovered from the mirth enough to address some of the

issues which you raised ..... totally out of context

but first thanks for addressing me in a manner assuming i'm surrounded by

dysfunctional families .... interesting assumption based on what?



> --

> L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that

refuses

> to stay inside the lines when parking.



>    I am always extremely wary when the issue is presented in terms of 'the

> FAMILY has an objection'. What does the PATIENT say?



in this case the patient taking the orthodox care .. complains about side

effects

and as for families having objections ... you misread my post

i never said there was outright objection ...

the family are merely reporting the experience of the member .. as reported

by the family member

nothing more ... nothing less



>I have seen patients

> and their care become battlegrounds as dysfunctional families continue

their

> feuds and issues at the ailing person's bedside-



the patients in both cases are not bedridden .. but up walking round ...

one taking orthodox medicine and one not .. making their own decisions

i didn't come here to discuss or resolve the nature of dysfunctional

families

that is not my personal interest and it is for each family to work through

their own pains ... but thanks for taking the time to lead into such

discussion i'm sure there may be others out there who have the time to think

about and   learn from what you have shared



both the people in our case are up and about ... as i said in the original

post

both complaining of a type of motion sickness

(apparently Ginger can help with this and the mint families)



i should also mention that the one taking orthodox med seems to fall over a

lot

the one not taking orthodox med at least manages to stay on her feet

both have same symptoms ... regardless of the orthodox  medicine

but the one taking orth med has the added side effects

both making their own decisions about what alternatives they wish to persue

... with little or no intereference from family members



as i originally said "Both of them managed to retain normal mobility"



as for the rest of your post i thank you for the amount of effort you have

taken in scribing the events and i hope you weren't offended by my mirth

but i don't think i have ever been approached by a complete stranger setting

forth such bold assumptions about personal nature of family

and as i am not one for delving into the personal nature of families on the

net with complete strangers i found your post to be somewhat invasive in the

assumptions (almost like Jerry springer in nature - hehe) .. however that is

ok

just shows the wide range of personalities one  _meets_ on the net



thanks anyway .. always interesting i guess to learn of the experiences of

others ... be that good or bad

showing us the path of how  _ not to be_

peace 'n' aroha

carman







> not to suggest that that is

> happening in this case-

>but I would say ALWAYS ask the patient if they are

> at all verbally responsive, or can otherwise indicate their wishes. One

must

> remember that they are the primary sufferers. Admitted that the family-

> inasmuch as they participate in care- are also affected by side effects.

But

> say- a drug makes the person hurt less and think more clearly- but it

> increases urinary incontinence and increases tremors, requiring frequent

> peri-care and assistance in eating. Does the family have the right to turn

> down the drug because it means more work for them? Hopefully the patient

has

> healthcare coverage and someone willing to stand up for them and obtain

> assisted living services- otherwise the patient's quality of life issues

may

> be lost in the family's quality of life issues. Again, I am not trying to

> suggest that this is a problem in your family. But I have seen it happen,

> and I was boiling mad, let me tell you. The family in that case was a

> totally rabid bunch who would take turns singling out the 'bad nurse' of

the

> day, and making his/her life Hell; then arguing ceaselessly over what

should

> be done for their dying family member. The poor guy had his sufferings

> extremely multipled by their BS, and God help the health practitioner who

> gently suggested that he might could use less commotion and strife. It was

> HORRIBLE.

> (Sorry, that was many years ago but I guess it still bothers me. Be good

to

> your family members. It could be you in that bed next.)

>

> > The other refuses othodox drugs but suffers from continued dizzy spells,

> > nausea similar to morning sickness, difficulty in focussing the eyes.

> >

> > I am wondering if anyone here would know of herbs suitable for someone

> > suffering the long term effect of stroke ... aneurism (spelling?)

> > I have thought the Gingko might help improve the memory and maybe

> alertness.

> > Peppermint tea for nausea

> > Does anyone know of anything else that would improve stability and

assist

> > with nausea?

> > Many thanks for any ideas

> > carman

> >

> >

>

>









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Subject: Re: Herbs Used In Healing, love potions and spells.

From: catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:30:03 GMT

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HIJODE2@webtv.net wrote:

> 

> Herbs used by Mexican Curanderos in healing and Mystical spells. Visit

> my web page at the address below. I welcome all Questions And 

> Comments.



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MYSTICAL HERBS USED BY OUR ANCESTORS 



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                  Nature's Gift to Men 



 CHAPARRAL: The flowering top of this herb were used as tea for over all

good health. It was also used by many mexicanos as a good coffee

substitute.



 CLOVES (Clavos): The oil of cloves was used externally to relieve the

chronic pain of rheumatism, toothache and muscle cramps. It was also

used in a spell to keep your lover from wandering. 



 COMFREY: This herb has many uses. The roots and leaves of this herb

were used for anemia, cuts, wounds, burns, headaches and arthrities.



 DAMIANA: This is an old curanderos remedy for sexual impotence

(aphrodisiac). It is reputed to greatly strengthen the reproductive

organs. 



 GINGER: This herb was used as a tea. Recommended to loosen mucus in the

throat and bronchial tubes. It is more palatable when sweetened with

honey.



  GOA: The powder from the Goa tree was used for treatment of eczema,

psoriasis, and acne.



  LEMON GRASS: This herb was mainly used to relieve indigestion,

heartburn, and help in reducing fevers. 



  ROSEMARY: This herb was used as a tonic for strengthening and toning

the muscles. It was also recommended for use in preventing baldness, by

combining a solution of this herb with borax. Also used in a smoking

ceremony to dispell evil spirits from a dwelling, or person.



  ST. JOHN'S BREAD: This herb was mainly used to improve the quality of

a mariachis singing voice. 



  SARSAPARILLA: This herb has a long record of use for headaches, varies

pain of the body, and is excellent for colds, runny nose, and fevers. 



   Thank you for visiting my webpage. If you have any questions or

comments please email me at: hijode2@webtv.net . I will be updating and

adding more information regularly. 



--------------------------------------------



Thank you for this very interesting list. I am crossposting it to

alt.folklore.herbs where people discuss herbal medicane, to alt.lucky.w

where the topic is folkloric magic, to alt.religion,orisha, where

Santeros post, and to alt.magick.tyagi, because it is of general

interest to those in the eclectic magical community. 



I also have some comments and questions: 



1) Some of these plants are European or Asian in origin -- was their use

brought to Mexico during the Conquest by the Spanish or did their use

arise later, in the 19th or 20th centuries? 



2) I know what all of these are except "Goa" -- can you give the Latin

(taxonomic) name or another name for it or describe it in some way so

that i can identify it?



3) We sell herbs in our store and i often have trouble communicating

with my Latino customers about herb-names. You gave the Spanish name for

Cloves (Clavos) -- it would be VERY, VERY, VERY much appreicted if you

also give the Spanish name for the other plants when you next revise

this web page! Thank you!



4) I maintain a list of herbs and roots used in African-American hoodoo

and rootwork for magical purposes that may interest you for the sake of

comparison with your Curandero list. The URL for my page is

     http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatherbs.html

This is a page from my online store catalogue, but the information given

with each herb is free, of course, and it is quick and easy to read and

compile, if it is of value to you. 



Again, thanks for posting this page. It was much appreciated, and i hope

you will add to it as time goes by. 



cat yronwode 



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Subject: Looking for identification book for Pennsylvania

From: "Mark G. Hopkins" <mark@navpoint.com>

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:55:51 -0500

--------

Hi,



I am looking for an ID book for the Pennsylvania area.  I want to be

able to quickly id field plants.



Thanks



--

"The highest of distinctions is service to others."









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Subject: Re: Looking for identification book for Pennsylvania

From: crosseyedmaire@aol.com (CrossEyedMaire)

Date: 20 Mar 2000 05:37:20 GMT

--------

>I am looking for an ID book for the Pennsylvania area.  I want to be

>able to quickly id field plants.



Mark, check your local nurseries. I found a great book on gardening in Oklahoma

at a favorite nursery store while shopping for herbs, and found out almost

everyone I know had found the same book in various stores throughout the state.

It is great!

~Ronnie





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Subject: Planet Botanic

From: "Kevin Spence" <frosty@eurobell.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:19:26 -0000

--------

I've been reading this newsgroup and have noticed a common thread

throughout, that people want very specific and trustworty information on

herbal remedies.  www.planetbotanic.com has recently come online and has an

excellent 'Herbal Library' & 'Online Catalogue'.  The founder is a medically

trained herbalist from the U.S.   The company does its own medical research

on herbs, clinical trials and also manufactures their own line of products.



The online catalogue lists all body systems and herbal remedies for specific

ailments to that system.



The herbal library, at the moment, lists over 50 herbs, their history, their

uses and applications, dosages and recipes for making teas etc.









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Subject: Aloe Vera

From: "Richard White" <rwhite@buckinghamnip.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:41:56 -0000

--------

My landlady has given me an Aloe Vera and says it has medicinal properties

and says tradition has it that is was the only plant taken by Adam & Eve

from the GofE. Anyone know any more about this plant?



--



Richard White

Tremarner

Buckingham Nip

Chacewater

CORNWALL TR4 8LW









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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:36:06 -0500

--------

Whose tradition?



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



Richard White <rwhite@buckinghamnip.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:8b50oq$unm$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...

> My landlady has given me an Aloe Vera and says it has medicinal properties

> and says tradition has it that is was the only plant taken by Adam & Eve

> from the GofE. Anyone know any more about this plant?

>

> --

>

> Richard White

> Tremarner

> Buckingham Nip

> Chacewater

> CORNWALL TR4 8LW

>

>









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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera

From: "Andrew J Webb" <ajwebb@gil.com.au>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 02:01:55 +1000

--------

Aloe vera grows like any weed should and this weed has magical medicinal

properties.  Great for skin disorders plus sunburn, acne etc. as well as

arthritis.  I have heard of internal use for arthritis and I have used it

internally for the digestive system. Almost up there with Super Herbs such

as Garlic, Chamomile, Comfrey and Peppermint.

Andrew



Richard White <rwhite@buckinghamnip.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:8b50oq$unm$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...

> My landlady has given me an Aloe Vera and says it has medicinal properties

> and says tradition has it that is was the only plant taken by Adam & Eve

> from the GofE. Anyone know any more about this plant?

>

> --

>

> Richard White

> Tremarner

> Buckingham Nip

> Chacewater

> CORNWALL TR4 8LW

>

>









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Subject: Gall Stones

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2000 19:30:19 

--------





	 KH> From: "Kay Henson" <no-one@nowhere.com>



 KH> I have a friend who did the apple juice fast. She got very

 KH> sick because her blood sugar levels dropped.



But the real danger lies in the chance that stones could lodge in

the bile ducts, (either side... but the one from the liver is the

most crucial, as that scenario is a definite minus in survivability

rate).  This isn't even considering possible liver damage.



Having faced just such a dilema, I believe that one should consider

how many stones there are, and their size.  If they are large, and

few in number, this may not be a problem.  If they are small, and

many in number, the likely-hood of one or more escaping increases,

perhaps, markedly.



The final choice always resides with the individual, tho.  If one is

comfortable with the 'fast', having considered the possibilities, go

for it.  If not, ...



cheers,

wlsakowski



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Subject: Gall Stones

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2000 19:59:56 

--------





	 L> From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>



>> If you surgically remove the stones from the gall bladder

>> you've cut it open.

>> Imagine a bag of muscles cut open. Will it function properly

>> after the operation? No.



Yes.



The opening and closing of it is regulated by your diet.  It only

opens to receive (bile from the liver) or deliver bile (to the

large intestine).  Don't ask it to accept bile from the liver, it

doesn't work from that direction.  Don't ask it to deliver bile

to the large intestine, it doesn't work from *that* direction.



My Gallbladder was diseased, so it needed to be removed... and

they still gave me one... the surgeon took from the tissue that

was left, and sewed me a new one, which, I might add, has worked

beautifully for almost 30 years now.  Like I said before, it really

depends on what the problem is, how *large* the problem is, and

what your options are.



 L> The question is (and I don't know the answer)- will it heal,



Mine did, eventho they took most all of it out...



 L> and will the bile itself digest the suture material?



Bile holds cholesterol in suspension until it can be taken out of

your body.  It is bitter; it's nasty...



 L> ... some type of suture material would be resistant to the bile

 L> long enough to let healing take place.



Bile isn't like hydrochloric acid ...



I hope things go well for you.  I also hope you feel as tho you

have some kinds of choice to work with.  I didn't, but then, each

situation is different.



cheers,

wlsakowski



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Subject: Psoriasis

From: luzzano@pipeline.com

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:06:24 -0500

--------

Any information on managing or healing this condition beyond

moisturizers and exfoliators?

At this point I would be happy with a suppressive cosmetic palliative

provided it did not involve corticosteroids and the like.

Many thanks.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:27:15 +0200

--------

luzzano@pipeline.com wrote:

>Any information on managing or healing this condition beyond

>moisturizers and exfoliators?

>At this point I would be happy with a suppressive cosmetic palliative

>provided it did not involve corticosteroids and the like.



Check your diet. I'm told the Solanaceae are very often the culprits; that's

potatoes, tomatoes, paprika, chili, eggplant, ... avoid them ALL, including

foods made with potato flour, and see how you fare.



In addition to that you might consider burdock and Berberis, internally and

externally. They are considered specifics.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: bessellt@tasmail.com

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:08:10 GMT

--------

Dear Henriette,

Agrimony, the european herb is a known internal and external healer.

Would this herb be suitable to treat psoriasis?





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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:56:39 +0200

--------

bessellt@tasmail.com wrote:

>Agrimony, the european herb is a known internal and external healer.

>Would this herb be suitable to treat psoriasis?



I -know- that berberis and burdock help for psoriasis.

To me agrimony is just yet another astringent.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:17:44 -0500

--------

'Back along'- (1970s), they were teaching that psoriasis was the result of

patches of skin where the rate of cell division was accelerated, so that the

epidermal layers raised up and then sloughed off. I haven't checked in to

any revisions of this theory. Any more recent explanations heard?



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:fn3edssd9gi7c957rf3h02fpe7jev0595b@4ax.com...

> bessellt@tasmail.com wrote:

> >Agrimony, the european herb is a known internal and external healer.

> >Would this herb be suitable to treat psoriasis?

>

> I -know- that berberis and burdock help for psoriasis.

> To me agrimony is just yet another astringent.

>

> Cheers

> Henriette

>

> --

> hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

>                  -+- Added more to King's Dispensatory -+-

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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:12:18 -0700

--------

In my experience in treating psoriasis, I have found Dairy allergies to be

the culprit.  Not only is it a common food allergen, the high fat content

bogs down the liver.



Jasper



Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:9b9ddscp2st3f8t35d7m9nqalavj4lmtiu@4ax.com...

> luzzano@pipeline.com wrote:

> >Any information on managing or healing this condition beyond

> >moisturizers and exfoliators?

> >At this point I would be happy with a suppressive cosmetic palliative

> >provided it did not involve corticosteroids and the like.

>

> Check your diet. I'm told the Solanaceae are very often the culprits;

that's

> potatoes, tomatoes, paprika, chili, eggplant, ... avoid them ALL,

including

> foods made with potato flour, and see how you fare.

>

> In addition to that you might consider burdock and Berberis, internally

and

> externally. They are considered specifics.

>

> Cheers

> Henriette

>

> --

> hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

>                  -+- Added more to King's Dispensatory -+-

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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:21:34 -0700

--------

My protocol in treating psoriasis is to avoid red meat, dairy, alcohol,

refined and fatty foods and sugar.  All of these put a load on the liver.

try to increase fiber in the diet with raw or slightly steamed organic

veggies and fruit to help move things through the colon (it has been known

that bowel toxicity can cause psoriasis).  Find ways to reduce stress in

your life, let it be taking baths or yoga or meditation or getting a

massage.  Try to eat more cold water fish to lube up the body from the

inside out.  I have seen St Johns Wort and Chamomile oil, used topically,

relieve the itching and pain.  20 minutes of sunlight exposure (but not

more!) each day can decrease cell proliferation.  Herbally, my favorites are

also Oregon Grape Root and Burdock, but Echinacea seems to work the best (or

a combination of all three).  Echinacea is probably the best herbal

alterative on the market, and an excellant lymphatic as well.  It has only

been recently that E has been used as an immune stimulant.  Be sure to only

take it for a few weeks at a time, because it can cause immunosuppression if

taken over a long period of time without cause.



Jasper



<luzzano@pipeline.com> wrote in message

news:068ddsk4iom0u6atirep5jgh28lkguk7pg@4ax.com...

> Any information on managing or healing this condition beyond

> moisturizers and exfoliators?

> At this point I would be happy with a suppressive cosmetic palliative

> provided it did not involve corticosteroids and the like.

> Many thanks.









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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: "Kevin Spence" <frosty@eurobell.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:51:36 -0000

--------

On that note regarding echinacea, make sure you use Echinacea angustifolia,

not purpurea as this is very weak compared to the previous...









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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:27:03 -0700

--------

I agree.  Some herbalists still use purpurea in high doses as a tonic.  It

is easier to grow, although all echinaceas take four years for the roots to

reach maturity.  Angustifolia, the endangered wild species, was used by the

indians and eclectics in the old days, and is much stronger.  Mathew Woods

has seen people have a variety of side effects using what he considers high

doses of angustifolia, 60 drops repeatedly over a long period of time.  He

uses 1-10 drop doses, but he is also a homeopathic trained herbalist.  Make

sure to use organically grown E. angustifolia, not wildcrafted, because it

is over harvested and becoming extinct.  See the United Plant Savers web

page for more info.



Jasper



Kevin Spence <frosty@eurobell.co.uk> wrote in message

news:8ba126$1j7g$1@slrn.eurobell.net...

> On that note regarding echinacea, make sure you use Echinacea

angustifolia,

> not purpurea as this is very weak compared to the previous...

>

>









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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: cjwyche@io.com (Carol Wyche)

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:56:46 -0600

--------

Well, I have psoriasis and have had it for years. I've used cortisone.

both by injection and as a salve and had little success with it. I had

some mild success with a salve which is a derivative of vitamin D,

called Dovonex - this was also a prescription medication.  However, what

I have had better results with is treating the psoriasis as an

indication of liver dysfunction or overload. In other words, the body is

spilling toxins into the skin because it can't deal with them

adequately, in my case, due to a genetic flaw. I have had success in

significantly reducing the thickness and stiffness of the plaques and in

their crack and peel stage being milder and shorter. Traditional Chinese

Medicine was fairly effective at this. Then I switched to liver support

as recommended by a nutritionist with a lot of experience in herbal

medicine. I'm not going to give the specific herbs I use, but will

suggest to you that you should discuss this approach - liver support -

with a professional herbalist or naturopathic doctor. 



Carol 





<luzzano@pipeline.com> wrote:



> Any information on managing or healing this condition beyond

> moisturizers and exfoliators?

> At this point I would be happy with a suppressive cosmetic palliative

> provided it did not involve corticosteroids and the like.

> Many thanks.





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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: "herbsnpets.com" <herbs@herbsnpets.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:14:09 GMT

--------

Internally, sip an infusion of the herb Oregon Grape root (which is known as

berberis aquifolium), and apply Oregon Grape root salve to heal skin

condition.  Your local health store can supply.



To make an infusion  of Oregon Grape root tea, brew 1 handful or Oregon

Grape root in a pint of purified water.



http://www.herbsnpets.com







luzzano@pipeline.com wrote in message

<068ddsk4iom0u6atirep5jgh28lkguk7pg@4ax.com>...

>Any information on managing or healing this condition beyond

>moisturizers and exfoliators?

>At this point I would be happy with a suppressive cosmetic palliative

>provided it did not involve corticosteroids and the like.

>Many thanks.









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Subject: are any herbs off limits for cardiac patients?

From: val189 <val189@my-deja.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 03:34:39 GMT

--------

Are there any herbs which a bypass patient must avoid?  Patient is

taking  lanoxin, atenolol and aspirin. Thanks.





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Subject: Re: are any herbs off limits for cardiac patients?

From: dirtroad <dirtroadNOdiSPAM@altavista.com.invalid>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:12:03 -0800

--------

ephedra, guarana, kola nut- anything

overstimulating to the system.



Hawthorne berry is very good for

heart patients, however.  it is

strenthing to the circulatory

system and a cardiac tonic.   and of

course garlic....





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Subject: Re: are any herbs off limits for cardiac patients?

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:32:40 -0800

--------

>>Hawthorne berry is very good for

heart patients, however.>>



But not if they are on digoxin, they can become dig toxic.



Ingrid









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Subject: Re: are any herbs off limits for cardiac patients?

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:30:12 -0700

--------

Since the patient is taking a drug for high blood pressure, be careful using

hypotensive herbs such as Garlic, Hawthorne, Linden, Black and Blue Cohosh,

Motherwort, Skullcap, Valerian, etc...  Many of these herbs work so well in

lowering ones blood pressure that they will eventually overdose on thier

medication.  Close clinical supervision is needed to adjust dosage when

using these herbs.  Basically, in my clinical herblist training--if they are

on heart medication, refer out!



Jasper



val189 <val189@my-deja.com> wrote in message

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> Are there any herbs which a bypass patient must avoid?  Patient is

> taking  lanoxin, atenolol and aspirin. Thanks.

>

>

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> Before you buy.









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Subject: Re: are any herbs off limits for cardiac patients?

From: LindaN <lindan@aiconnect.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:53:47 -0500

--------

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:30:12 -0700, "MtnMagicHerbs"

<Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net> wrote:



>Since the patient is taking a drug for high blood pressure, be careful using

>hypotensive herbs such as Garlic, Hawthorne, Linden, Black and Blue Cohosh,

>Motherwort, Skullcap, Valerian, etc...  Many of these herbs work so well in

>lowering ones blood pressure that they will eventually overdose on thier

>medication.  Close clinical supervision is needed to adjust dosage when

>using these herbs.  Basically, in my clinical herblist training--if they are

>on heart medication, refer out!

>

>Jasper



Yes, I would suspect most herbalists would refer out in this instance

because they really don't need the aggrevation of a possible law suit

etc. etc.



The irony here, of course, is that many of the herbs you mention

above, and others, work so well alone or in combination, that if the

person taking them really realized how well  herbs, and/or supplements

in combination with diet and exercise worked to lower blood pressure

(and high cholesterol etc. etc.) , they wouldn't be in a

cardiologist's office getting high blood pressure medication in the

first place!



I sometimes have to laugh at the contraindications, scare tacktics,

and warnings given all over the TV these days about herbs and

supplements.  While many of the warnings are, in fact,  technically

correct in many instances  (and outright bogus in others) a lot of

them are about just such things as we are discussing now. 



However, the way the reporters phrase things, it is put as if the

blood pressuring lowing properties of certain herbs and supplements

are horrible and bad, and the blood pressure lowering properties of

drugs can only be good.   And my goodness, why would anyone want to

try these things when their doctor did not tell them to do so and when

the miracle drugs of modern medicine are so wonderful?!  Yada Yada

Yada....



Except no one is telling them that these so called "miracle drugs" are

preforming these actions by poisoning boichemical pathways, and if

they stay on them for any length of time they are just headed for more

problems down the line.



However, most of society is still so enamored with drugs they just

cannot see the light.



I am not yet a professional herbalist, and may never be (although I am

still fighting hard to find the funds to get to herbal school), but as

a representive for the local MCS support group, I get lots of calls

about alternatives to drugs, calls asking how to live drug and

chemical free, calls about alternatives to common household chemicals

and the like, and my favorite way of dealing with such phone calls is

never never to give any direct advice.   



What I do is to usually recommend a good alternative medicine book to

read on the subject.  That way I am simply pointing to a path of

information.  After that, what the person does with that information

is then up to them.



My  2 cents for today.



Linda

================================

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Learn more about Multiple Chemical Senstivities at the Chemical Injury Information Network (CIIN)

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Opinions are like rear ends. Everybody has one.





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To: val189 <val189@my-deja.com>

Subject: Re: are any herbs off limits for cardiac patients?

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:36:35 -0500

--------

In another post, someone mentioned Hawthorne being useful for

strengthening the

heart. You have to really watch out because it may potentiate other

medications...and a person could literally get overdosed on heart

medications because of the action of the

hawthorne.



What are the purposes of lanoxin and atenolol? If I knew that, I might

have some other thoughts for you. (Nope, don't have a current PDR handy.

Also, I believe people should know why they're taking a medication and

be able to explain it....And if you're not

sure...then go ask the doctor and/or pharmacist...Actually, best to talk

with a pharamacist

to make sure there are no harmful interactions).



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



val189 wrote:



> Are there any herbs which a bypass patient must avoid?  Patient is

> taking  lanoxin, atenolol and aspirin. Thanks.

>

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Subject: Re: are any herbs off limits for cardiac patients?

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:25:22 -0500

--------

I would be wary of anything that has listed cardiac effects- notably

hawthorne, and motherwort (leonurus cardiaca). I realize these are listed as

'goof for the heart', 'cardiotonic', etc., but I would be wary precisely

BECAUSE thet have accepted cardiac effects. I would feel the need to know

the mechanism of these effects and if it might strain the healing heart in a

way I wouldn't want. Talk to your doctor- who of course, will have a BIRD at

the very idea.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

val189 <val189@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:8b6qke$fev$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Are there any herbs which a bypass patient must avoid?  Patient is

> taking  lanoxin, atenolol and aspirin. Thanks.

>

>

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Subject: Re: are any herbs off limits for cardiac patients?

From: crousoe@my-deja.com

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:03:59 GMT

--------





The effects of Hawthorn include a weak positive inotrop effect, an

antihypertensive effect, weak vasodilatation (also coronary arteries).

The patient is already taking digoxin, atenolol and aspirin so it

doesn`t make sense to add Hawthorn. Maybe you could try to substitute a

drug with it but in this case I would not experiment on your own.



German commission E lists no interactions or contraindications for

Hawthorn but there are at least 5 species of Hawthorn and many ways to

make extracts.





Crousoe





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Subject: salt alternative?

From: "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:41:31 -0500

--------

Is there anything herbal that will flavor like salt, but contains no sodium

or iodine (or at least lower levels than table salt) where high blood

pressure and potential kidney damage from the HBP are the issue.



I've already been the Sea Salt, Salt Substitute and Mrs. Dash type of

routes-boo, hiss.  I can change the flavor of any bland food with a variety

of herbs, but most of the store bought flavorings gear toward the pepper

side of seasoning and it's the "salt" flavoring I'm looking for now.



Is there such a thing?  I've read all over and can't find one, so I thought

I'd hit up the experts!  Thanks, e.t.









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Subject: Re: salt alternative?

From: "Lani Loring" <llhowell@sonic.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:21:13 GMT

--------

Did you try Celtic Sea Salt form the coast of France? It is supposed to be

lower in Sodium & higher in Magnesium (helpful for high BP) & trace

minerals. Good Luck; wish I knew more...









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Subject: Re: salt alternative?

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:21:50 -0500

--------

My husband likes lemon pepper- ok, it's not salt, but it's tangy and good.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

Lani Loring <llhowell@sonic.net> wrote in message

news:ZjNB4.8$pW4.331@typhoon.sonic.net...

> Did you try Celtic Sea Salt form the coast of France? It is supposed to be

> lower in Sodium & higher in Magnesium (helpful for high BP) & trace

> minerals. Good Luck; wish I knew more...

>

>









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Subject: Re: salt alternative?

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net>

Date: 22 Mar 2000 12:27:14 GMT

--------

I can't think of anything that tastes like salt except salt itself, either

sodium chloride or possibly other mineral salt.  You could use kelp or other

seaweed, where adverse effects would be less likely than with straight salt.

But seaweeds are high in iodine.  You seem to think of seasoning in terms of

salt and pepper, which is a narrow restaurant/supermarket view.  Herbs offer

many other flavors.  A lot of seed spices gear toward the pepper side of

seasoning: allspice, cubeb, pepper itself, nigella, dill, caraway, coriander,

ajwan, cumin, cloves, chaste tree, celery seeds, etc.  Simon & Garfunkel spiced

one of their songs with "parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme".



(Remove "nospam" from email address)







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Subject: Re: salt alternative?

From: "e.t. and dct" <emt1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:48:17 -0500

--------

Oh heavens no!  I have quite an herb and seasoning collection, both

store-bought and home grown (thanks to Henriette's Culinary Herb FAQ!)  I am

quite versed in seasoning foods, but the bottom line is that, as you've

stated, most of the seasonings are of a "pepper" nature, which I am flat out

sick of.  I could probably deal with anything seasoned herbally per se, but

I have yet to come up with anything truly enjoyable (to me, anyway) for

mashed potatoes or rice except good, old fashioned salt.  That's why I'm

asking!  e.t.



"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.nospam.net> wrote in message

news:953728034.165688@news.bluegrass.net...

| I can't think of anything that tastes like salt except salt itself, either

| sodium chloride or possibly other mineral salt.  You could use kelp or

other

| seaweed, where adverse effects would be less likely than with straight

salt.

| But seaweeds are high in iodine.  You seem to think of seasoning in terms

of

| salt and pepper, which is a narrow restaurant/supermarket view.  Herbs

offer

| many other flavors.  A lot of seed spices gear toward the pepper side of

| seasoning: allspice, cubeb, pepper itself, nigella, dill, caraway,

coriander,

| ajwan, cumin, cloves, chaste tree, celery seeds, etc.  Simon & Garfunkel

spiced

| one of their songs with "parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme".

|

| (Remove "nospam" from email address)

|









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Subject: Re: psoriasis

From: Matthew Richardson <xhosa@tardis.ed.ac.uk>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:46:20 +0000

--------

Hi,



I have heard that comfrey in the form of a poultice or made into a

cream/ointment is very good at helping heal psoriasis.  I seem to recall

that it has something to do with causing cells to bind together which

slows down the rate at which the cells divide and move away from the

surface, causing the raised patches of skin.



Anyway, not sure if the explanation is right, but I'm sure that I've heard

it being recommended before!



Matt



---------------------

xhosa@tardis.ed.ac.uk







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Subject: Cats & Essaic?

From: "arwen" <arwen@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:45:56 GMT

--------

My cat has just been diagnosed with lymphoma. Is there anything in Essaic

which would be harmful to her? The big problem right now is that she is not

eating....



TIA-

Arwen



-









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Subject: Estrogenic Herbs @ Cancer

From: "Denise Wootton" <denise.wootton@gte.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:03:09 GMT

--------

Was diagnosed with an Estrogen-fed tumor 5 years ago, and am cancer free to

date.  Wondering if the Estrogenic herbs, such as Alfalfa, should be used,

or if they might cause the cancer to recur.









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Subject: Re: Estrogenic Herbs @ Cancer

From: "robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:09:12 -0000

--------



I don't think there is any definitive answer to this one. I would certainly

avoid the estrogenic herbs if you are on an estrogen antagonist, such as

tamoxifen, as they would oppose its action. Also, if you are postmenopausal,

I would avoid them as they would increase overall levels of estrogen

activity. If not, then some people would say, yes the estrogenic herbs

would, overall, decrease the overall activity of estrogen in a premenopausal

woman as they would block your own estrogen from reaching its cell

receptors, and as they have much less of an estrogenic effect this would be

good. Other people disagree vehemently. I don't think anyone really knows -

although lots of people claim to, and will come up with hundreds of

references to support their own theory,  but then their opponents will come

up with loads of their own to counter them. Personally, I tend to avoid them

in this situation, but it kind of depends on what else is going on.



Robyn



Denise Wootton <denise.wootton@gte.net> wrote in message

news:xo4C4.297$uR1.37822@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net...

> Was diagnosed with an Estrogen-fed tumor 5 years ago, and am cancer free

to

> date.  Wondering if the Estrogenic herbs, such as Alfalfa, should be used,

> or if they might cause the cancer to recur.

>

>









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Subject: Menstrual pain

From: v.tongeren <v.tongeren@hccnet.nl>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:20:14 +0100

--------

A friend of mine suffers from lots of menstrual pain. Is there

anything I can advise her?







Please help.





	Marjo





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Subject: Re: Menstrual pain

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 22 Mar 2000 21:44:36 GMT

--------

>A friend of mine suffers from lots of menstrual pain. Is there

>anything I can advise her?



Raspberry leaf tea.. :-) 





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Subject: Re: Menstrual pain

From: "Kay Henson" <no-one@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:55:06 -0600

--------

Evening Primrose oil, dong quai root, blessed thistle, siberian ginseng,

squawvine, cramp bark, black cohosh, and ginger root mixture helps my

friends out. If heavy bleeding, alfalfa helps out with the vitamin K

content.



-- Kay



http://www.herbcare.com



"v.tongeren" <v.tongeren@hccnet.nl> wrote in message

news:zgXZOOVuf=AzBKQwg+3UDiO1JMVT@4ax.com...

> A friend of mine suffers from lots of menstrual pain. Is there

> anything I can advise her?

>

>

>

> Please help.

>

>

> Marjo









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Subject: Re: Menstrual pain

From: goddess_kitten@my-deja.com

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:46:36 GMT

--------

I add lavendar and chamomile to a hot bath.  If I'm feeling "blue" in

addition to cramping, I add a little bergamot.



Kitten





In article <zgXZOOVuf=AzBKQwg+3UDiO1JMVT@4ax.com>,

v.tongeren@hccnet.nl wrote:

> A friend of mine suffers from lots of menstrual pain. Is there

> anything I can advise her?

>

> Please help.

>

> Marjo

>

--

Light, Love, & Laughter,

Kitten

"There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a

miracle.

The other is as though everything is a miracle." -- Albert Einstein

(1879-1955)





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Subject: Re: Menstrual pain

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 24 Mar 2000 00:54:24 GMT

--------

Motherwort tincture.





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Subject: Re: Menstrual pain

From: "Paula74" <paula74@earthlink.com>

Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:38:54 GMT

--------

Raspberry Leaf tea by all means!  I used to suffer from wicked, wicked

cramps and now I haven't the slightest twinge.



I drink one cup a day for the three weeks in advance.  I don't really like

the taste, but it's a minor price to pay.  About a week before, I start

taking a cup of Female Toner tea (made by Traditional Medicinals) each day

in addition to the raspberry.



A word of caution about dong quai.  I used to use it with good results, but

after about a year, I started having small, strong pains and some odd

bleeding.  At first I thought it had something to do with some water I had,

but I eventually traced it to the dong quai.



Hope this helps!



R'gards,



Paula



v.tongeren wrote in message ...

>A friend of mine suffers from lots of menstrual pain. Is there

>anything I can advise her?

>

>

>

>Please help.

>

>

> Marjo

>









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Subject: Re: Menstrual pain

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:14:08 -0500

--------

Honey helps the taste of raspberry leaf tea. If you make the tea on the

light side- not too strong- so the taste is 'ok' without the honey, the

honey boosts it up into the 'good' range. If you want to spoil yourself with

something of no known therapeutic value, but nonetheless enjoyable, add a

few dehydrated raspberries..if you collect the leaf yourself, I believe it's

red raspberry and not black raspberry.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--



Paula74 <paula74@earthlink.com> wrote in message

news:2zAC4.111$eL2.19169@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...

> Raspberry Leaf tea by all means!  I used to suffer from wicked, wicked

> cramps and now I haven't the slightest twinge.

>

> I drink one cup a day for the three weeks in advance.  I don't really like

> the taste, but it's a minor price to pay.  About a week before, I start

> taking a cup of Female Toner tea (made by Traditional Medicinals) each day

> in addition to the raspberry.

>

> A word of caution about dong quai.  I used to use it with good results,

but

> after about a year, I started having small, strong pains and some odd

> bleeding.  At first I thought it had something to do with some water I

had,

> but I eventually traced it to the dong quai.

>

> Hope this helps!

>

> R'gards,

>

> Paula

>

> v.tongeren wrote in message ...

> >A friend of mine suffers from lots of menstrual pain. Is there

> >anything I can advise her?

> >

> >

> >

> >Please help.

> >

> >

> > Marjo

> >

>

>









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Subject: Re: Menstrual pain

From: garlicgr@pond.com (The Tetrad)

Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:13:45 GMT

--------

This may be a horrible thing to post here (;-)), but I haven't found anything 

that stops menstural pain like 500 mg of Anaprox -- and I've tried nearly 

anything, including a stiff belt of scotch suggested by a sweet little old  

English lady who was alarmed by my cries as a 12-year-old and poured the drink 

for me herself.



I'm open to suggestion, however, as I do like to be as self-sufficient in 

these things as possible and I haven't been able to raise either Anaprox or 

Scotch (whether single-malt or a blend) in my garden! ;-(





Dinara, the garlic grower      

Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!          <*>



"The decision to feed the world is the real decision.  No revolution has chosen it.  For that choice requires that women shall be free."



--Adrienne Rich, poet



quoted by Vandana Shiva, Keynote Speaker

The Next Agricultural Revolution:  Reclaiming the PASAbilities

Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable Agriculture (PASA) Winter Conference 2000





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Subject: Re: Menstrual pain

From: Leona Henderson <lee@gower.net>

Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:47:13 -0800

--------

When I was a young woman, I didn't drink very much, but there were times like this that I found a "hot toddy" very helpfull. Like hot

Ancient Age with lemon and ginger.



The Tetrad wrote:



> This may be a horrible thing to post here (;-)), but I haven't found anything

> that stops menstural pain like 500 mg of Anaprox -- and I've tried nearly

> anything, including a stiff belt of scotch suggested by a sweet little old

> English lady who was alarmed by my cries as a 12-year-old and poured the drink

> for me herself.

>

> I'm open to suggestion, however, as I do like to be as self-sufficient in

> these things as possible and I haven't been able to raise either Anaprox or

> Scotch (whether single-malt or a blend) in my garden! ;-(

>

> Dinara, the garlic grower

> Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!          <*>

>

> "The decision to feed the world is the real decision.  No revolution has chosen it.  For that choice requires that women shall be free."

>

> --Adrienne Rich, poet

>

> quoted by Vandana Shiva, Keynote Speaker

> The Next Agricultural Revolution:  Reclaiming the PASAbilities

> Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable Agriculture (PASA) Winter Conference 2000



--

Lee

tvksi@juno.com

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/4986/









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Subject: Re: Menstrual pain

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:37:59 -0700

--------

Although our herbal allies may help with menstrual cramps, we need to look

at the underlying issue--What is causing the cramps in the first place?

Sometimes there may be another issue such as endometriosis, PID, cysts, etc

that may be causing the pain.  This should always be ruled out first--go to

a gynocologist for a dx.  Primary dysmenorrhea is caused by uterine

contractions that are too strong and frequent.  Sometimes this is caused by

imbalanced prostaglandins.  Sometimes it is as simple as a magnesium

deficiency.  Although you could jump in with antispasmodic herbs and

anodynes, I always like to use uterine tonics, nutritives, nervines, and

most importantly liver herbs throughout the cycle.  Be careful using

emmenagogues if there is already heavy bleeding present (ref to another

suggestion to use Motherwort). A nice cup of Ginger tea helps me if the pain

is from clotting and stagnancy, and if the pain is relieved by heat.Ginger

is an antispasmodic, emmenagogue, warming in nature and has been known to

have a prostaglandin inhibiting effect.  I also like to soak a rag in a bowl

of hot ginger tea and place it directly on my aching womb.  Or add it to my

bath---ahhhh!



Jasper



v.tongeren <v.tongeren@hccnet.nl> wrote in message

news:zgXZOOVuf=AzBKQwg+3UDiO1JMVT@4ax.com...

> A friend of mine suffers from lots of menstrual pain. Is there

> anything I can advise her?

>

>

>

> Please help.

>

>

> Marjo









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Subject: Re: Menstrual pain

From: tabitah@my-deja.com

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:05:21 GMT

--------

I couldn't agree more.  I have suffered from horrible cramps for over 13

years.  Some months  I found myself in the emergency room begging for

something to stop the pain.  I have found that what helps me is to take

care of myself before I actualy start to have the cramps.  Watching what

you eat is key.  Like you mentioned I had a magnesium deficency.  Just

by knowing that and adjusting what I eat to make up for it I've noticed

a difference.  Warm baths with some lavender oil always help me too.

But please, if they are severe enough, go to the doctor to see if their

is something serious causing the pain.



I wrote an article about natural menstrual cramp relief.

http://www.oscartech.com/gspd_browse/browse/view_article.gsp?c_id=16964



These are just things I've found that help me, but I am very interested

in finding more remedies so please, share what you've found helpful.  I

know how painful cramps can be, I felt like a prisoner at times.



Thanks for the great input!



Tabitha





"MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net> wrote:

> Although our herbal allies may help with menstrual cramps, we need to

look

> at the underlying issue--What is causing the cramps in the first

place?

> Sometimes there may be another issue such as endometriosis, PID,

cysts, etc

> that may be causing the pain. This should always be ruled out

first--go to

> a gynocologist for a dx. Primary dysmenorrhea is caused by uterine

> contractions that are too strong and frequent. Sometimes this is

caused by

> imbalanced prostaglandins. Sometimes it is as simple as a magnesium

> deficiency. Although you could jump in with antispasmodic herbs and

> anodynes, I always like to use uterine tonics, nutritives, nervines,

and

> most importantly liver herbs throughout the cycle. Be careful using

> emmenagogues if there is already heavy bleeding present (ref to

another

> suggestion to use Motherwort). A nice cup of Ginger tea helps me if

the pain

> is from clotting and stagnancy, and if the pain is relieved by

heat.Ginger

> is an antispasmodic, emmenagogue, warming in nature and has been known

to

> have a prostaglandin inhibiting effect. I also like to soak a rag in a

bowl

> of hot ginger tea and place it directly on my aching womb. Or add it

to my

> bath---ahhhh!





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Subject: Re: Menstrual pain

From: Zaphod & Trillian <heart@gold.net>

Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:01:55 -0800

--------

There are various barks that are effective- among them 

cramp bark.  Kava kava helps the pain.  Ladie's mantle

tea is also helpful.  Be informed of effects before taking

any herb or medication.



v.tongeren wrote:

> 

> A friend of mine suffers from lots of menstrual pain. Is there

> anything I can advise her?

> 

> Please help.

> 

>         Marjo





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Subject: Energy Herbs... Again

From: mzmelaniekay@aol.com (MzMelanieKay)

Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:32:17 GMT

--------

Just wanted to say "thanks" to those of you that responded to my original

posting in regards to energy herbs. Not sure how the subject got off to St.

John's Wort, but thanks for lots of good info regardless.



:-)

Melanie 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb Festivals/Oklahoma

From: mzmelaniekay@aol.com (MzMelanieKay)

Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:34:58 GMT

--------

Does anyone have any information on herb festivals, etc. in the NE Oklahoma, SE

Kansas area?  There was an herb festival last year in Sand Springs, near Tulsa

but I can't seem to locate information on one for this year.



Also, anybody have info on where to purchase a patchouli (sp?) plant? What kind

of growing conditions are needed, etc etc etc?  And also, how it can be used

for aromatherapy or in candle wax for scented candles?



:-)

Melanie





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Festivals/Oklahoma

From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

Date: 23 Mar 2000 05:45:59 GMT

--------

MzMelanieKay (mzmelaniekay@aol.com) writes:

> Also, anybody have info on where to purchase a patchouli (sp?) plant? What kind

> of growing conditions are needed, etc etc etc?  And also, how it can be used

> for aromatherapy or in candle wax for scented candles?





Not a plant, but my friend gave me some dried patchouli leaves

got from  a magic/witchcraft type store. Simmered in water on

the stove it perfumes the house. I guess you could soak the leaves

in your hot wax and then strain out the leaf matter, perhaps for

candles. 



Lee 





> 

> :-)

> Melanie





--

Flute Tree                           the novel

     Fantasia in Green with Silver & Blonde

           http://www.ncf.ca/~bh295/





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Subject: Athlete's foot

From: "Adriana Kamenetsky" <adrianakusa@home.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:11:51 GMT

--------

    Some time ago I put a post about my grandmother suffering with cracked

bleeding sores between her toes.  Thank you for your advices. Tee tree

helped a bit, it is good as a prophylactory treatment;  however, after

trying everything, I went to beauty supply store and bought "Fungi-Cide" by

Supernail Professional Co.  In two weeks, skin healed completely.  She

continued two weeks more to really destroy any hidden colony.  Perhaps that

will help someone, though, I hate to admit it, it is not really natural but

better than steroids or oral medecine.   AK









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Subject: Re: Athlete's foot

From: Ruby Kendrick <strowger@home.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:19:16 GMT

--------





You might try Neem Tree Oil - I have used this successfully, alternating it

with Tea Tree Oil applications.



AZADIRACHTA INDICA A JUSS ( FREE TREE OF INDIA ).



The Neem Tree is important because of the following properties:



                                     1. Anti Malarial

                                     2. Anti Tubercular

                                     3. Anti Viral

                                     4. Anti Allergic

                                     5. Anti Enzemic

                                     6. Anti Scabic

                                     7. Anti Dermatic

                                     8. Anti Gingivitic

                                     9. Anti Inflammatory

                                     10. Anti Periodontitic

                                     11. Amoebicidal

                                     12. Diuretic

                                     13. Spermicidal

                                     14. Anti Pyrrhoeic

                                     15. Anti Seborrhoeic

                                     16. Anti Feedant

                                     17. Anti Fungal

                                     18. Anti Furuncular

                                     19. Bactiricide

                                     20. Insecticidal

                                     21. Larvicidal.

                                     22. Nematicidal

                                     23. Piscicidal











Adriana Kamenetsky wrote:



>     Some time ago I put a post about my grandmother suffering with cracked

> bleeding sores between her toes.  Thank you for your advices. Tee tree

> helped a bit, it is good as a prophylactory treatment;  however, after

> trying everything, I went to beauty supply store and bought "Fungi-Cide" by

> Supernail Professional Co.  In two weeks, skin healed completely.  She

> continued two weeks more to really destroy any hidden colony.  Perhaps that

> will help someone, though, I hate to admit it, it is not really natural but

> better than steroids or oral medecine.   AK







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Subject: thyme was:[Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?]

From: tomas sattiv <papa_tom@yahoo.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:32:46 -0800

--------





Henriette Kress wrote:



> Oh, you can generalize on thyme, as long as it's got a strong scent of thyme.

> The creeping ones usually don't have that though. At least my lemon thyme has

> next to no scent.



Wow, I'm surprised....the lemon thyme I've encountered around here in Oregon

(portland) is wonderfully aromatic...maybe a climate thing?



tomas







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Subject: Re: thyme was:[Re: Milk Thistle For Hangovers?]

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:23:30 -0500

--------

Yes, I will chime in too- in Maine (zone 4-5), lemon thyme is the more

vigorous grower and better looker- green and glossy- but smells and tastes

too much like lemone for my culinary desires (probably would make a lovely

EO for perfumery tho..) the other (thymus vulgaris) is more scruffy looking,

but it's my plant of choice for cooking. I definitely keep them separate.



--

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to stay inside the lines when parking.

tomas sattiv <papa_tom@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>

>

> Henriette Kress wrote:

>

> > Oh, you can generalize on thyme, as long as it's got a strong scent of

thyme.

> > The creeping ones usually don't have that though. At least my lemon

thyme has

> > next to no scent.

>

> Wow, I'm surprised....the lemon thyme I've encountered around here in

Oregon

> (portland) is wonderfully aromatic...maybe a climate thing?

>

> tomas

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Phenomena while making tinctures

From: "aq" <aq@aq.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:28:00 +0100

--------

I wouild like to have some information about a phenomenon I encountered

which maybe someone who knows something about making herbal tinctures will

be able to provide.

A few months ago I started trying my hand at making herbal tinctures.  Some

weeks ago I was filtering the vegetable remains from a chamomilla tincture,

and while watching the drops falling into the beautiful reddish-orange

coloured liquid about ten inches (25 cm) lower in the bottle, I noticed some

sort of very small balls being formed when each drop hit the surface, about

1 or 2 mm diameter at the most, dancing around on the surface and travelling

a few cms before merging with the liquid.

The strange thing is, these little balls stayed whole as long as several

seconds ; at one occasion I counted about ten seconds before it disappeared,

which seems to me an almost fantastically long time.

Now I wonder if this phenomenon can be explained with surface tension, or

anything of the sort.

Has anyone here observed this phenomenon or knows how to explain it ?

Thanks.

An amateur tincture maker



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Subject: Re: Phenomena while making tinctures

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:16:43 +0200

--------

"aq" <aq@aq.com> wrote:

>The strange thing is, these little balls stayed whole as long as several

>seconds ; at one occasion I counted about ten seconds before it disappeared,

>which seems to me an almost fantastically long time.

>Now I wonder if this phenomenon can be explained with surface tension, or

>anything of the sort.

>Has anyone here observed this phenomenon or knows how to explain it ?



Surface tension. The more oily your tinctured herb (and essential oils count

here, too), the more small bubbles of liquid float on top.



You can see it in a coffee percolator, too.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Phenomena while making tinctures

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:21:04 -0500

--------

you can even see it in the bath if your drips from the faucet are light

enough, and possibly the water surface has a tiny skin of oil. They are the

prettiest things! They almost seem to glow, and glide over the surface of

the water til they finally break thru the surface film. I've enjoyed that

for years. i bet it has a bit to do with static charge as well as surface

tension, tho I can't quantify that impression.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:t76kds8rkva8r7npgqrp9s7k8rej7352sq@4ax.com...

> "aq" <aq@aq.com> wrote:

> >The strange thing is, these little balls stayed whole as long as several

> >seconds ; at one occasion I counted about ten seconds before it

disappeared,

> >which seems to me an almost fantastically long time.

> >Now I wonder if this phenomenon can be explained with surface tension, or

> >anything of the sort.

> >Has anyone here observed this phenomenon or knows how to explain it ?

>

> Surface tension. The more oily your tinctured herb (and essential oils

count

> here, too), the more small bubbles of liquid float on top.

>

> You can see it in a coffee percolator, too.

>

> Cheers

> Henriette

>

> --

> hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fibromyalgia

From: Lady Damorea <ladydamorea@geocities.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:47:04 -0500

--------

One of my dearest friends has fibromyalgia.  What herbs would help her

with the pain, discomfort, and handicapping effects of this disease? 

She loves to garden, but finds it difficult at best.  She can only work

part time (driving a school bus), although she used to tutor home-bound

students during the day (between bus runs).  She's talked of taking

disability rather than driving next year.  Any suggestions?

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

From: "bozo" <bozo@bozo.com>

Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:50:16 -0700

--------

I have read that taking colostrum sometimes helps with fibromyalgia.



Lady Damorea wrote in message <38DA1248.F7FE80E5@geocities.com>...

>One of my dearest friends has fibromyalgia.  What herbs would help her

>with the pain, discomfort, and handicapping effects of this disease?

>She loves to garden, but finds it difficult at best.  She can only work

>part time (driving a school bus), although she used to tutor home-bound

>students during the day (between bus runs).  She's talked of taking

>disability rather than driving next year.  Any suggestions?









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

From: linda10001@aol.com (Linda10001)

Date: 25 Mar 2000 02:20:13 GMT

--------

>Magnesium, malic acid (from apples), and vitamin B6 have been shown to help.



I will second this.  These supplements hepled me a lot (especially magnesium

and malic acid).





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

From: "Kay Henson" <no-one@nowhere.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:12:23 -0600

--------

Some doctors say that fibromyalgia comes from using muscles too much, to the

point where they are stressed or get injured. Others say it's the result of

not using your muscles enough, another consequence of a sedentary lifestyle.

Others say it begins with mono, chronic fatigue syndrome, then arthritis,

and finally fibromyalgia (which means pain in the fibrous muscle tissue.)

Either way, this condition leaves muscles hurting so bad that the pain

interferes with moving around and even sleeping.



A successful dietary program for this condition usually requires some level

of cleansing therapy, fresh vegetarian food, few or no animal products, and

immune-enhancing treatments, including appropriate herbs, GLA oils,

chlorophyll-rich foods, and moderate regular exercise. Avoid calcium

inhibitors: excess meat or protein from any source; intoxicants (alcohol,

tobacco, coffee, marijuana, etc.); refined sugar and too many sweets; and

excess salt. Drink distilled water.

"Alternative Medicine--The Definitive Guide" is a book that gives lots of

information on arthritis. It stresses PROPER NUTRITION, DETOXIFICATION, AND

STRESS REDUCTION. I agree with it. It gives information on alternative

treatments including shark cartilage, sea cucumber, and arthritis being

linked to dental amalgams.  Herbs it says to use are meadowsweet, willow

bark, black cohosh, prickly ash, celery seed, and nettle.

If you decide to detoxify, be careful of all the products out there. The

first thing I ask when looking at a detoxification program is "Do you eat

while on it?" If you do, then I don't buy it. The purpose of detoxification

is to cleanse the colon and to let your body heal. It is also done to teach

proper nutrition. You can't put solid food

in when you are trying to get rid of waste. You want the waste OUT. You

don't want to make MORE! Plus, your body would be expending its energy to

digest the solids. You want your body to expend its energy HEALING. And you

need to learn proper nutrition through a good teaching program.

I hope this information will help you out in your search. Good luck to you.



Kay



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"Lady Damorea" <ladydamorea@geocities.com> wrote in message

news:38DA1248.F7FE80E5@geocities.com...

> One of my dearest friends has fibromyalgia.  What herbs would help her

> with the pain, discomfort, and handicapping effects of this disease?

> She loves to garden, but finds it difficult at best.  She can only work

> part time (driving a school bus), although she used to tutor home-bound

> students during the day (between bus runs).  She's talked of taking

> disability rather than driving next year.  Any suggestions?









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:10:22 -0500

--------

The

> first thing I ask when looking at a detoxification program is "Do you eat

> while on it?" If you do, then I don't buy it. The purpose of

detoxification

> is to cleanse the colon and to let your body heal. It is also done to

teach

> proper nutrition. You can't put solid food

> in when you are trying to get rid of waste. You want the waste OUT. You

> don't want to make MORE! Plus, your body would be expending its energy to

> digest the solids. You want your body to expend its energy HEALING. And

you

> need to learn proper nutrition through a good teaching program.

> I hope this information will help you out in your search. Good luck to

you.

>

> Kay

>

   I would say, that for the first few days of a fast, this may be an OK

thing, if the person is not diabetic or otherwise ill. But at some point,

the body is expending it's energy maintaining minimal meatbolism compatible

with life, and healing goes by the board. People with inadequate nutritional

intake do not heal well. I personally do not know what the limits on this

are, but I am inclined to look at it closely. A high-stressed anorexic with

fibromyalgia, for example, would not be a candidate for a fasting type of

detoxification.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

From: "Kay Henson" <no-one@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:54:48 -0600

--------

Hi,

You are correct in the fact anorexics should not fast. Neither should

pregnant or lactating women. I have successfully fast for 24 hours while

both pregnant and nursing, but do not recommend any longer than that.

Depending on the type of fast used, diabetics can fast. I was meaning a 3

day fast.



-- Kay



http://www.herbcare.com



"LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net> wrote in message

news:38df6aac@news.mix-net.net...

> The

> > first thing I ask when looking at a detoxification program is "Do you

eat

> > while on it?" If you do, then I don't buy it. The purpose of

> detoxification

> > is to cleanse the colon and to let your body heal. It is also done to

> teach

> > proper nutrition. You can't put solid food

> > in when you are trying to get rid of waste. You want the waste OUT. You

> > don't want to make MORE! Plus, your body would be expending its energy

to

> > digest the solids. You want your body to expend its energy HEALING. And

> you

> > need to learn proper nutrition through a good teaching program.

> > I hope this information will help you out in your search. Good luck to

> you.

> >

> > Kay

> >

>    I would say, that for the first few days of a fast, this may be an OK

> thing, if the person is not diabetic or otherwise ill. But at some point,

> the body is expending it's energy maintaining minimal meatbolism

compatible

> with life, and healing goes by the board. People with inadequate

nutritional

> intake do not heal well. I personally do not know what the limits on this

> are, but I am inclined to look at it closely. A high-stressed anorexic

with

> fibromyalgia, for example, would not be a candidate for a fasting type of

> detoxification.

>

> --

> L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that

refuses

> to stay inside the lines when parking.

> --

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 26 Mar 2000 20:24:27 EDT

--------

Someone  wrote:                                      03-23-00  20:46



So>One of my dearest friends has fibromyalgia.  What herbs would help her

So>with the pain, discomfort, and handicapping effects of this disease?

So>She loves to garden, but finds it difficult at best.  She can only work

So>part time (driving a school bus), although she used to tutor home-bound

So>students during the day (between bus runs).  She's talked of taking

So>disability rather than driving next year.  Any suggestions?



herbassist@aol.com (HerbAssist)  replied:

 He> Magnesium, malic acid (from apples), and vitamin B6 have been shown to

 He> help.



     Also, maybe sleeping on a high quality magnetic mattress and a

     magnetic pillow may help with FM sufferers.



.. End  of  message                                 24 Mar 00  01:58

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

From: "Herb Quest" <hquest@sisna.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:37:29 -0700

--------

Fibromyalgia is a rheumatic disorder characterized by chronic muscular pain

that has no obvious physical cause.  The pain is usually described as

burning, throbbing, shooting and stabbing.  It may be accompanied by chronic

headaches, insomnia, anxiety, palpitations, memory impairment, irritable

bladder, dry eyes and mouth, dizziness, impaired coordination and

depression.  Most people with fibromyalgia also have an associated sleep

disorder, in which their deep sleep is interrupted, resulting in poor sleep.

Some experts believe that fibromyalgia may be related to CFS, (Chronic

Fatigue Syndrome), which causes similar symptoms, except that in

fibromyalgia, muscle pain predominates over fatigue, whereas in CFS, fatigue

predominates over pain.  Both conditions seem to stem from a problem with

the immune system, which is weakened by chemicals, stress and toxins, all of

which we are having to deal with in any industrialized country.....for more

on this subject email lifequestherbs@sisna.com

Lady Damorea <ladydamorea@geocities.com> wrote in message

news:38DA1248.F7FE80E5@geocities.com...

> One of my dearest friends has fibromyalgia.  What herbs would help her

> with the pain, discomfort, and handicapping effects of this disease?

> She loves to garden, but finds it difficult at best.  She can only work

> part time (driving a school bus), although she used to tutor home-bound

> students during the day (between bus runs).  She's talked of taking

> disability rather than driving next year.  Any suggestions?









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

From: "Hope" <thetribe@gateway.net>

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:54:21 -0800

--------

A lot of times, because of certain symptoms, this dis-ease brings a person

to extreme malnurishment.  A liquid diet, or any type of fasting as a way of

detoxing is dangerous.  Especially if there is an extreme Kidney or spleen

deficiency.  Try macrobiotics.  Living with the seasons.  Avoid synthetic

anything.  No raw foods.  (This will help minimize the digestion systems

work on parasites.)  Avoid dairy, wheat and sugar.  Hard to do, but

necessary.  Miso in broth form is an excellent addition to any healing diet.

Especially where there may not be an appetite.  (Too many diet ideas to list

here.)  There are so many things one can do to help facilitate their own

healing.  Consider your environment, language (negative vs productive), etc.

etc.  I have healed from Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome with

the use of food, yoga, Chinese herbs, a change of thought process and

action.  It all has boiled down to moderation.  Balance in every single

facet of life.  I am in the process of preparing a web site that will offer

links to much information that hopefully will help many survive their

personal ordeal with these dis-eases.



http://pages.ivillage.com/bh/chenoa1/









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

From: "Kay Henson" <no-one@nowhere.com>

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:58:02 -0600

--------

It depends on the type of fast used for detoxification. A water fast would

not be safe. Nor would a juice fast. A lemon/water/pure maple syrup fast

would be safe because of the high nutrition content of this mixture, plus it

keeps the blood sugar level at an even keel. There are only two natural

sugars that don't cause an insulin reaction in the body...pure maple syrup

and blackstrap molasses. This type of mixture would be safe to use for 3

days or even up to 10 for a person with fibromyalgia. All fasting, no matter

what condition a person may be in, needs to be supervised by a

professionally trained person.



-- Kay



http://www.herbcare.com



"Hope" <thetribe@gateway.net> wrote in message

news:8c1i8m$bjp$1@news.laserlink.net...

> A lot of times, because of certain symptoms, this dis-ease brings a person

> to extreme malnurishment.  A liquid diet, or any type of fasting as a way

of

> detoxing is dangerous.  Especially if there is an extreme Kidney or spleen

> deficiency.  Try macrobiotics.  Living with the seasons.  Avoid synthetic

> anything.  No raw foods.  (This will help minimize the digestion systems

> work on parasites.)  Avoid dairy, wheat and sugar.  Hard to do, but

> necessary.  Miso in broth form is an excellent addition to any healing

diet.

> Especially where there may not be an appetite.  (Too many diet ideas to

list

> here.)  There are so many things one can do to help facilitate their own

> healing.  Consider your environment, language (negative vs productive),

etc.

> etc.  I have healed from Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome with

> the use of food, yoga, Chinese herbs, a change of thought process and

> action.  It all has boiled down to moderation.  Balance in every single

> facet of life.  I am in the process of preparing a web site that will

offer

> links to much information that hopefully will help many survive their

> personal ordeal with these dis-eases.

>

> http://pages.ivillage.com/bh/chenoa1/

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

From: "Hope" <thetribe@gateway.net>

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:24:22 -0800

--------

Lemon, water and syrup?  I am afraid I do not agree.  Citrus should be

avoided.  Protein and other minerals are needed.  This combination would

continue to deplete the system.  There is a much safer method yet for one to

detox through illness.  It does not require starving yourself.  How could

one function on this type of cleansing?  It is hard enough to try and

function on any level with these illnesses as it is.  Strength is needed.

Lemon, water and a sugar is not going to be helpful for most.  Candidas is

common amongst patients.  Sugar feeds the yeasts in the body.  Life changes

are needed in diet as a way of eating and not a way of temporary recourse,

amongst other things.  This is my opinion from my experience and others who

have regained any sense of themselves after living with these dis-eases.  Of

course, it is acknowledged that every 'body' has individual needs.  We must

all find the path that is right for us to heal, and I agree, all detox, what

ever the form, should be supervised by a professional health care provider.

With joy.....



Hope



P.S.  Have you ever tried brown rice syrup?





Kay Henson wrote in message

>It depends on the type of fast used for detoxification. A water fast would

>not be safe. Nor would a juice fast. A lemon/water/pure maple syrup fast

>would be safe because of the high nutrition content of this mixture, plus

it

>keeps the blood sugar level at an even keel. There are only two natural

>sugars that don't cause an insulin reaction in the body...pure maple syrup

>and blackstrap molasses. This type of mixture would be safe to use for 3

>days or even up to 10 for a person with fibromyalgia. All fasting, no

matter

>what condition a person may be in, needs to be supervised by a

>professionally trained person.

>

>-- Kay

>

>http://www.herbcare.com









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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Kava  info

From: alkaloid@x-networks.net

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:43:27 GMT

--------

Kava

Piper methysticum



Principal Use o Anxiety

Secondary Use o Insomnia

o Stress-related muscle tension



Overview

Kava and Its History

Pharmacology

Contemporary Uses

Research Evidence for Effectiveness

Mechanism

Dosage

Risks and Side Effects

Drug Interactions

Additional Cautions for Self-Treatment

Notes



Overview 



Kava is a member of the pepper family that has long been cultivated by

Pacific Islanders for use as a relaxing drink in social and ceremonial

settings. A standardized extract form of kava has become a popular

European treatment for anxiety and insomnia.



Although kava possesses numerous constituents with neurological and

muscular activity, its mechanism of action appears to be distinct from

pharmaceutical anxiolytics, local anesthetics, spasmolytics,

hypnotics, and narcotics. Its antianxiety benefits appear to develop

gradually over a period of 1 to 8 weeks and do not seem to be

accompanied by a loss of mental acuity. Kava appears to be safe when

used alone and at recommended doses.



Kava and Its History



Dependent entirely on human intervention for propagation, the kava

plant is a slow-growing shrub that can reach 9 feet in height. The

pithy root and rootstock are used for medicinal purposes.



The first description of kava came to the West from Captain James Cook

and his celebrated voyages through the South Seas. Cook reported that

on occasions when village elders and chieftains gathered together for

significant meetings, they would hold an elaborate kava ceremony to

break the ice. Typically, each participant would drink two or three

bowls of macerated kava suspended in coconut milk. Kava was also taken

in less formal social settings as a mild intoxicant.



Subsequently, Pacific missionaries introduced kava to Australian

aborigines in hopes of converting them away from alcohol [Cawte,

1986]. Unfortunately, the experiment led instead to a kava-abuse

syndrome aggravated by the continued use of alcohol [Mathews et al.,

1988]. However, such dependency is uncommon. In its European use for

insomnia and anxiety, kava is widely regarded as safe and

nonaddictive.



Pharmacology 



The active constituents of kava are fat-soluble lactones that make up

5.5% to 8.3% of good-quality root. The water-soluble ingredients of

kava produce little to no effect [Jamieson et al., 1989]. One of the

most active of these "kavalactones" is dihydrokavain, which has been

found to produce a sedative, anticonvulsant, and analgesic effect

[Bruggenmann et al., 1963; Jamieson et al., 1990a; Klohs et al., 1959;

Meyer et al., 1966]. The anticonvulsant power of dihydrokavain appears

to be greater than that of mephenesin (a sedative no longer marketed

in the United States, believed to be a nonspecific antagonist of

excitatory amino acid neurotransmitters), and its analgesic effect is

reportedly superior to aspirin's but less marked than that of

morphine. The analgesia of kava is not reversed by opioid antagonists

[Jamieson, 1990a].



Other named kavalactones include kavain, methysticin, and

dihydromethysticin. Mixed kavalactones have been found to cause a

mephenesin-like relaxation of skeletal muscles and at very high doses

can cause ataxia and paralysis without loss of consciousness [Meyer

1962, 1964; Meyer et al., 1966; Singh, 1983]. Peripherally,

kavalactones also produce local anesthesia similar to that of

procaine. Kavalactones exert a protective action against strychnine

poisoning, superior to other known non-narcotic strychnine antagonists

[Schulz et al., 1998, p67]. Methysticin and dihydromethysticin exhibit

neuroprotective properties in rodents, similar to memantine (a

glutamate antagonist at NMDA-glutamate receptors, not marketed in the

United States). In double-blind placebo-controlled and comparison

studies, DL-kavain has been found to produce anti-anxiety effects

similar to those of benzodiazepines [Schulz et al., 1998, p70-71].



One study suggests that the effectiveness of whole-root extracts is

greater than that of isolated kavalactones [Klohs et al., 1959].



EEG studies suggest that kavalactones act preferentially on the

amygdalar complex of the limbic system [Holm et al., 1991].



Kavalactones are well absorbed by the digestive tract and have been

shown to readily cross the blood-brain barrier in mice [Schulz et al.,

1998, p67]. Their plasma half-life ranges from 90 minutes to several

hours.



Contemporary Uses



The primary indication for kava is mild anxiety, or, as Germany's

Commission E phrases it, "states of nervous anxiety, tension, and

agitation." Noticeable improvement is often seen within one week,

although full results may not develop for a month or more.



Despite the evidence of one study (see "Research Evidence for

Effectiveness"), benzodiazepines are considerably more effective than

kava in clinical practice. Kava is not powerful enough to serve as an

effective treatment for severe anxiety or panic attacks. However,

unlike benzodiazepines, kava does not seem to impair reaction time or

mental functioning [Gebner et al., 1994; Heinze et al., 1994; Munte et

al., 1993; Saletu et al., 1989].



Kava is also used to induce sleep.



Research Evidence for Effectiveness



Altogether, over 350 patients with various anxiety syndromes have

participated in double-blind controlled studies of kava.



Kava Versus Placebo



A 6-month double-blind multicenter study tested kava's effectiveness

(300 mg/day of a 70% kavalactone extract) in 101 outpatients with

anxiety-related disorders according to DSM-IIIR criteria [Volz et al.,

1997]. Over the course of the study, they were evaluated using various

scales including the Hamilton Anxiety Scale (HAM-A), which quantifies

symptoms such as restlessness, nervousness, heart palpitations,

stomach discomfort, dizziness, and chest pain. Baseline HAM-A scores

were comparable between the two groups. There were marked improvements

in HAM-A scores in both the verum and control group. However, an

efficacy analysis using an intention-to-treat approach found that

HAM-A scores in the treated group showed a clinically and

statistically significant comparative reduction beginning at 8 weeks,

and the relative improvement increased throughout the duration of the

study.



The Clinical Global Impressions scale also found marked

treatment-related differences. At 12 weeks, 69.2% of the treated

patients were found to be much improved, vs. only 37.2% in the placebo

group (p < 0.001). Self-rating scales showed similar changes.



One problem with this study was that the treatment group was

heterogenous. Many patients had more than one anxiety-related

diagnosis, and there were significant differences in average HAM-A

scores between centers.



More rapid anxiolytic effects were seen in another randomized,

placebo-controlled double-blind study that followed 40 women with

menopause-related anxiety symptoms. The HAM-A scores decreased in the

treated group after 1 week and maintained the comparative benefit for

the full 8 weeks of the study [Warnecke, 1991]. Optimum effects were

seen from 4 weeks on. This study used 300 mg/day of a 70% kavalactone

extract.



Similar results were seen in a previous study of 40 women with

menopause-related anxiety symptoms conducted by the same author, using

200 to 400 mg/day of a 15% kavalactone extract [Warnecke et al.,

1990].



Results within 1 week were also seen in a double-blind study that

followed 58 patients with anxiety, half of whom received 300 mg/day of

a 70% kavalactone extract and the other half a placebo [Kinzler et

al., 1991].



The discrepancy in time to effectiveness observed between these

studies has not been fully explained, although the first study appears

to have involved participants with more severe illness.



Other double-blind placebo-controlled studies have found anxiolytic

effects with the single kavalactone kavain, but these might not be

relevant to the effectiveness of kava as a whole [Lindenberg et al.,

1990; Scholing et al., 1977; Schulz et al., 1998, p70-71].



Kava Versus Benzodiazepines



A double-blind study conducted in 1993 followed 174 patients with

anxiety symptoms for a period of 6 weeks. Patients received either 300

mg/day of a 70% kavalactone extract, 15 mg/day of oxazepam, or 9

mg/day of bromazepam, a European benzodiazepine [Woelk et al., 1993].

While this is a subtherapeutic dose of oxazepam, it is a normal dose

of bromazepam. Similar improvement in HAM-A scores were seen in all

groups, but no inter-group statistical analysis was performed.

Nonetheless, few clinicians would agree that kava is equally effective

as benzodiazepine drugs. The lack of a significant difference in HAM-A

scores is probably more a sign of the relative coarseness of the

rating scale than of truly equal efficacy.



Isolated kavain has also been found to produce effects comparable to

those of benzodiazepines [Schulz et al., 1998, p70-71].



Insomnia



Sleep studies have found that kava enhances sleep spindle density,

reduces sleep latency, and increases slow-wave sleep without changes

to REM sleep [Emser and Bartylla, 1991].



Mechanism



The mechanism of action of kava is unknown.



Initial reports suggested that kavalactone did not significantly

interact with GABA receptors [Davies et al., 1992]. This led to

further investigations of excitatory neuronal mechanisms. Two recent

reports suggest that kavain, methysticin, or both can inhibit

voltage-operated sodium channels and suppress the release of the

excitatory amino acid neurotransmitter glutamate [Gleitz et al., 1996;

Magura et al., 1997].



However, later research suggests that the effects of kavalactones may

indeed involve GABA receptors, by increasing their prevalence. The

hippocampus and amygdala demonstrated the highest levels of

enhancement. The study authors further suggest that earlier

investigations erred by examining areas of the brain where kava is not

believed to be active, specifically the frontal cortex and cerebellum

[Jussofie et al., 1994].



Dosage



Kava products are standardized to kavalactone content. Preparations

containing 30% kavalactones are reportedly clinically superior to

those concentrated to higher percentages, presumably because of the

biological activity of as-yet-unidentified constituents.



For use as an antianxiety agent, the dose of kava extract should

supply 60 to 210 mg of kavalactones per day, given in two or three

divided doses. The total dose of kavalactones should not exceed 300

mg/day, and the course of treatment should not exceed 3 months [Schulz

et al., 1998, p72].



The proper dose for insomnia is 210 mg of kavalactones 1 h before

bedtime.



Risks and Side Effects 



Kava possesses a low order of toxicity [Hansel, 1996]. The LD50 of

kavalactones is about 300 to 400 mg/kg in test animals [Meyer, 1962].

Dogs tolerate daily doses of 24 mg/kg and rats 20 mg/kg of 70% kava

extract with no adverse effects [Meyer, 1962; Schulz et al., 1998,

p68]. Up to 320 mg/kg of this extract in rats caused only mild

histopathological changes. No evidence of mutagenicity was observed.



One study of Australian aborigines who habitually consumed more than

100 times the normal dose of kava demonstrated numerous physiological

changes, including decreased blood levels of albumin, plasma protein,

urea, and bilirubin accompanied by hematuria, decreased platelet

count, and macrocytic red blood cells [Mathews et al., 1988; Schulz et

al., 1998, p68]. However, because this population also consumed large

doses of alcohol and smoked cigarettes, the extent of kava's

contribution to their poor health status remains unknown.



A recent report of kava toxicity leading to hospitalization and even

coma among New Year's Eve concertgoers in Los Angeles has turned out

to be incorrect. They were given a substance called fX, which was said

to contain kava but proved to consist entirely of other substances.



A drug-monitoring study of 4,049 patients who took 105 mg/day of a 70%

kavalactone extract for 7 weeks found side effects in 1.5% of cases.

These were limited mainly to mild gastrointestinal complaints or

allergic rashes [Schulz et al., 1998, p71]. However, this was a rather

low dose. A 4-week study of 3,029 patients, given a more realistic 800

mg/day of a 30% kavalactone extract, yielded a 2.3% incidence of side

effects, including mild headache, gastrointestinal distress, and

allergic rashes.



When taken in usual doses kava does not appear to impair reaction time

or mental function [Herberg et al., 1991; Prescott et al., 1993;

Russell et al., 1987; Schulz et al., 1998, p68]. In one study,

tracking tasks (maintaining a pointer between parallel lines) and

reaction time tasks (response by pressing correct key) were measured

as indicators of cognitive performance and physiological function.

Results showed no statistically significant differences between kava

and placebo [Prescott, et al. 1993]. Other studies found no changes in

intellectual or motor functioning after 14 days of treatment with

doses up to 420 mg of kavapyrones daily [Schulz et al., 1998, p68].



In a small double-blind placebo-controlled comparison trial with the

European benzodiazepine Clobazam, synthetic kavain was found to

improve intellectual performance, attention, concentration, reaction

time, and motor speed reaction time, while Clobazam produced the

opposite results [Saletu et al., 1989]. Similar results were seen in a

small trial that compared an extract of kava standardized to 30%

kavalactones against diazepam and placebo [Gebner et al., 1994].



Long-term use (months to years) of kava in excess of 400 mg

kavalactones per day can create a characteristic generalized dry,

scaly dermopathy, primarily on the palms, soles, forearms, shins, and

back [Norton et al., 1994]. Because this so-called kava dermopathy

resembles the rash of pellagra, it was at first assumed to be due to

interference with niacinamide. However, supplementation with this

vitamin does not correct the problem. The rash does promptly disappear

on cessation of kava.



Addiction has not been observed in European patients taking kava

extracts, and animal studies suggest that typical kava products do not

cause physiological or behavioral tolerance or dependence [Duffield

and Jamieson, 1991; Schulz et al., 1998, p72]. However, behavioral

(learned) tolerance was not observed. But extremely high doses of kava

can cause inebriation, which gives rise to concern that it could

become an herb of abuse in the United States.



There have been three case reports that appear to represent

kava-induced dystonic reactions [Schelosky et al., 1995]. In one, a

twenty-eight-year-old man exhibited abnormal ocular movements and neck

spasms approximately 90 min after ingesting 100 mg of kava extract.

This episode lasted about 40 min. Similar reactions were seen in two

women, aged 22 and 63, and in another case kava increased symptoms of

Parkinson's disease.



The German Commission E monograph warns against the use of kava during

pregnancy and lactation. Safety in young children and individuals with

severe renal or liver disease has also not been established.



Drug Interactions



Formal drug interaction studies have not been performed. However,

according to the German Commission E, caution must be exercised when

combining kava with other CNS depressants. At least one case report

exists in the literature of hospitalization apparently resulting from

the concomitant use of the benzodiazepine alprazolam (Xanax) and kava

extract [Almeida and Grimsley, 1996]. Furthermore, high doses of

alcohol potentiate the effects and toxicity of kava in mice [Jamieson

et al., 1990a]. However, in humans, kava tends to counter some of the

safety-related adverse effects of mild alcohol consumption [Herberg,

1991]. Kava might also increase risk of dystonic reactions in

individuals on phenothiazines, and could additionally counteract the

effectiveness of L-dopa [Schelosky, et al., 1995].



Just as antidepressants are often combined with conventional

anxiolytics in the treatment of anxiety, combinations of St. John's

wort and kava are recommended by many herbalists. While no adverse

effects have been reported, the safety of such combinations is not

established.



A similar situation exists for the combination of kava and other

herbal tranquilizers such as valerian, hops, and passionflower.



Additional Cautions for Self-Treatment



Patients should not attempt to make a transition from benzodiazepines

to kava without medical supervision.



There may be a real potential for kava abuse among adolescents.



Notes



Almeida JC, and Grimsley EW. (1996). Coma from the health food store:

Interaction between kava and alprazolam. Ann Intern Med 125(11):

940-941.



Bruggenmann F, et al. (1963). Die analgetische Wirkung der

Kawa-Inhaltsstoffe Dihydrokawain und Dihydromethysticin.

Arnzneimittelforschung 13: 407-409.



Cawte J (1986). Parameters of kava used as a challenge to alcohol.

Aust N Z J Psychiatry 20(1): 70-76.



Davies LP, et al. (1992). Kava pyrones and resin: Studies on GABA-A,

GABA-B and benzodiazepine binding sites in rodent brain. Pharmacol

Toxicol 71(2): 120-126.



Duffield PH and Jamieson D. (1991). Development of tolerance to kava

in mice. Clin Exp Pharmacol Physiol 18: 571-578.



Emser W and Bartylla K (1991). Effect of kava extract WS 1490 on the

sleep pattern in healthy subjects. Neurol Psychiatr 5: 636-642.



Gebner B, et al. (1994). Extract of the kava-kava rhizome in

comparison with diazepam and placebo. Zeitschrift fr Phytotherapie

15: 30-37.



Gleitz J, et al. (1996). Anticonvulsive action of (+/-)-kavain

estimated from its properties on stimulated synaptosomes and Na+

channel receptor sites. Eur J Pharmacol 315(1): 89-97.



Hansel R (1996). Kava-kava in modern drug research: Portrait of a

medicinal plant. Z Phytother 17: 180-195.



Heinze HJ, et al. (1994). Pharmacopsychological effects of oxazepam

and kava-extract in a visual search paradigm assessed with

event-related potentials. Pharmacopsychiatry 27(6): 224-230.



Herberg KW (1991). Fahrtuchtigkeit nach Einnahme von

Kava-Spezial-Extrakt WS 1490. Z Allg Med 67: 842-846.



Holm E, et al. (1991). Studies on the profile of the

neurophysiological effects of D,L-kavain. Cerebral sites of action and

sleep-wakefulness-rhythm in animals. Arzneimittelforschung 41:

673-683.



Jamieson DD, et al. (1989). Comparison of the central nervous system

activity of the aqueous and lipid extract of kava (Piper methysticum).

Arch Int Pharmacodyn Ther 301: 66-80.



Jamieson DD, et al. (1990a). Positive interaction of ethanol and kava

resin in mice. Clin Exp Pharmacol Physiol 17: 509-514.



Jamieson DD, et al. (1990b). The antinociceptive actions of Kava

components in mice. Clin Exp Pharmacol Physiol 17: 495-507.



Jussofie A, et al. (1994). Kavapyrone enriched extract from Piper

methysticum as modulator of the GABA binding site in different regions

of rat brain. Psychopharmacology 116: 469-474.



Kinzler E, et al. (1991). Effect of a special kava extract in patients

with anxiety-, tension-, and excitation states of non-psychotic

genesis. Double blind study with placebos over 4 weeks.

Arzneimittelforschung 41(6): 584-588.



Klohs MW, et al. (1959). A chemical and pharmacological investigation

of piper methysticum forst. J Med Pharm Chem 1: 95-103.



Lindenberg D, et al. (1990). D,L-Kavain in comparison with oxazepam in

anxiety disorders. A double-blind study of clinical effectiveness.

Fortschr Med 108: 49-50.



Magura EI, et al. (1997). Kava extract ingedients, (+)-methysticin and

(+/-)-kavain inhibit voltage-operated Na(+)-channels in rat CA1

hippocampal neurons. Neuroscience 81(2): 345-351.



Mathews JD, et al. (1988). Effects of the heavy usage of kava on

physical health: Summary of a pilot survey in an aboriginal community.

Med J Aust 148(11): 548-555.



Meyer HJ (1962). Pharmakologie der Wirksamen Prinzipien des

Kawa-Rhizoms (Piper methysticum Forst). Arch Int Pharmacodyn Ther 138:

505-535.



Meyer HJ (1964). Lokalanaesthetische Eigenschaften naturlicher

Kawa-Pyrone. Arzneimittelforschung 42: 407.



Meyer HJ, et al. (1966). Kawa-Pyrone-eine neuartige Substanzgruppe

zentraler Muskelrelaxantien vom Typ des Mephenesins. Klin Wochenschr

44: 902-903.



Munte TF, et al. (1993). Effects of oxazepam and an extract of kava

roots (Piper methysticum) on event-related potentials in a word

recognition task. Neuropsychobiology 27(1): 46-53.



Norton SA, et al. (1994). Kava dermopathy. J. Am Acad Dermatol 31(1):

89-97.



Prescott J, et al. (1993). Acute effects of kava on measures of

cognitive performance, physiological function, and mood. Drug and

Alcohol Review 12: 49-58.



Russell P, et al. (1987). The effects of kava on alerting and speed

access of information from long-term memory. Bulletin of the

Psychonomic Society 25(4): 230-237.



Saletu B, et al. (1989). EEG brain mapping, psychometric and

psychophysiological studies on central effects of Kavain-kava plant

derivative. Human Psychopharmacology 4: 169-190.



Schelosky L, et al. (1995). Kava and dopamine antagonism. (letter). J

Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 58: 639-640.



Scholing WE, et al. (1977). On the effect of D,L-kavain. Experience

with neuronika. Med Klin 72: 1301-1306.



Schulz V, et al. (1998). Rational phytotherapy. New York:

Springer-Verlag, p67-68, 70-72.



Singh YN (1983). Effects of kava on neuromuscular transmission and

muscle contractility. J Ethnopharmacol 7: 267-276.



Volz HP, et al. (1997). Kava-kava extract WS 1490 versus placebo in

anxiety disorders-a randomized placebo-controlled 25 week outpatient

trial. Pharmacopsychiatry 30(1): 1-5.



Warnecke G (1991). Psychosomatic dysfunctions in the female

climacteric. Clinical effectiveness and tolerance of Kava Extract WS

1490. Fortschr Med 109(4): 119-122.



Warnecke G, et al. (1990). Wirksamkeit von Kawa-Kawa-Extract beim

klimakterischen Syndrom. Z Phytother 11: 81-86.



Woelk H, et al. (1993). Behandlung von Angst-Patienten. Z Allg Med 69:

271-277





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Subject: Re: Kava  info

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:24:19 -0500

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>

> Principal Use o Anxiety

> Secondary Use o Insomnia

> o Stress-related muscle tension



Boyoboy. That would be me, esp. the 3rd thing. Where do I sign up? <G>





--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--









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Subject: Chronic Bronchitis

From: Bill Beaupre <tbeau@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:47:11 GMT

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Any advice for herbal treatment of chronic bronchitis?



Thanks







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Subject: Re: Chronic Bronchitis

From: eggs@telusxplanet.net (elaine & glenn)

Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:37:23 GMT

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On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:47:11 GMT, Bill Beaupre <tbeau@flash.net>

wrote:



>Any advice for herbal treatment of chronic bronchitis?



Inhaling the steam off of chamomile tea will help with bronchial

spasms and with coughing and excess mucous production. It is useful

for allergic asthma too.



E





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To: Bill Beaupre <tbeau@flash.net>

Subject: Re: Chronic Bronchitis

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:55:40 -0500

--------

Well, Bill,

First of all, treat the person, not the condition. ;*) That said,

here are some thoughts.



Is the bronchitis seasonal? That is, does it usually hit

during the change of seasons? Astragalus membraneous,

a Chinese lung tonic, and altogether great adaptogenic

herb, may help.



Does the person smoke? If so...s/he has to stop.



Does s/he consume dairy products? Eliminate them

from the diet.



There's a lot more that one can do...but these steps

can help in balancing one's body and creating better health.



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



Bill Beaupre wrote:



> Any advice for herbal treatment of chronic bronchitis?

>

> Thanks







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Subject: Re: Chronic Bronchitis

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 05:34:34 -0700

--------

Bill Beaupre <tbeau@flash.net> wrote:



>Any advice for herbal treatment of chronic bronchitis?



What is the CAUSE of it?  



But whatever the cause: Stop smoking, stop even associating with

smokers or entering smoky places.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Chronic Bronchitis

From: Zaphod & Trillian <heart@gold.net>

Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:57:23 -0800

--------

Have not found any herbal remedies, but my bronchitis is 

greatly relieved by running the vaporizer in the bedroom

at night when I sleep.



Bill Beaupre wrote:

> 

> Any advice for herbal treatment of chronic bronchitis?

> 

> Thanks





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: The Plants Thank You!

From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

Date: 24 Mar 2000 06:40:15 GMT

--------

The plants thank each and every one of you

for honoring them by considering their virtues,

for they do desire to be of assistance and

in allowing them to assist us, we also assist their

higher purpose. The plants are pleased to 

hear from you and will respond to the best 

of their ability, as ever they have been doing

since the beginning.



---

Lee

Just wanted to pass that on

--

Flute Tree                           the novel

     Fantasia in Green with Silver & Blonde

           http://www.ncf.ca/~bh295/





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Subject: crowea exalata

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:55:33 GMT

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Anyone know of medicinal/culinary uses for crowea exalata (or maybe crowea

saligna).



It is apparently an Australian Native with a peppery/minty kind of smell.



Searching the web I came up with a couple of sites with crowea flower

essences but I was looking for other plant uses.



--

sos

O@H survival guide http://metrak.com/OaH













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Subject: Re: Chronic bronchitis

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass-nospam.net>

Date: 25 Mar 2000 10:28:31 GMT

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>Any advice for herbal treatment of chronic bronchitis?



First thing to bear in mind, if you or the person involved smokes, is that

smoking will overpower any herbal treatment, or any other treatment for that

matter.



My symptom pattern, of an episodic nature rather than steady-state, and affected

by food allergies and nonallergic intolerances, points to asthma as opposed to

chronic bronchitis.  Difficult for me to choose among the many possible herbs

to recommend for chronic bronchitis, but green tea seems to ease my allergic

reactions, relax the airways, and ease the airways inflammation.







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Subject: Washington Post Articles on Herbals

From: Don Wiss <donwiss@spam_not.con>

Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 07:13:23 -0500

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The Washington Post has recently run several articles on the growing

popularity of herbal remedies and the lack of regulation. See:



http://search1.washingtonpost.com:80?_v.7=92&wp=on&_g.k_0x3ffe=herbals/;



Don (donwiss at panix.com).





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Subject: Hepatits C

From: "Richard & Jeanne Meadows" <ntconcepts@home.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:25:17 GMT

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Any Herbal Remedies.









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Subject: Re: Hepatits C

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:09:02 -0700

--------

"Richard & Jeanne Meadows" <ntconcepts@home.com> wrote:



>Any Herbal Remedies.





Not remedy per se, but you can't go wrong with lots of rest,

plenty of water, and a "liver-friendly" diet ... high

carbohydrate, low fat, low protein in frequent small meals.  







Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Hepatits C

From: royroy@bigfoot.com (royroy)

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:59:31 GMT

--------

Some things help somewhat, but mostly from a symptomatic standpoint.

The actual cure rate, even with the "best" of meds, is poor.  There is

a FAQ at:  members.bellatlantic.net/~clotho

That same page also has the address of the online support group.



On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:25:17 GMT, "Richard & Jeanne Meadows"

<ntconcepts@home.com> wrote:

>Any Herbal Remedies.







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Subject: Re: Hepatits C

From: rockenb7a@aol.comnospam (Rockenb7a)

Date: 30 Mar 2000 04:04:41 GMT

--------

First off milk thistle is an absolute.  I've got HEP C and am doing a

combination of allopathic and alternative therapies.  There is a NG that will

be able to answer most of all your questions about HCV. 

sci.med.diseases.hepatitis.  The best of luck to you and if I Can be of further

help just drop me some mail.



Kati





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Subject: snakeroot and wild ginger

From: Michael Acord <mpacord@concentric.net>

Date: 26 Mar 2000 16:07:15 EST

--------

    Rumor has it that snakeroot can be substituted for ginger in

cooking, but there seem to be several varieties of snakeroot.  Virginia

snakeroot is different from Canadian snakeroot, which is classified as

wild ginger.  Does anyone out there have any experience cooking with

either variety?

    Mike Acord







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Subject: Re: snakeroot and wild ginger

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:53:24 -0500

--------

   The snakeroot I see listed in the PDR herbal is polygala senega. The wild

gingers I have heard of are asarum canadense (Canadian wild ginger) and

asarum europaeum. The asarum europaeum is also listed as 'wild ginger',

and-you guessed it- another name for it is snake root. The physical

description of it is very similar to what I have seen in my experience of

asarum canadense. When I first encountered wild ginger (asarum canadense), I

was struck by the gingery smell.. I have read it can be subsituted for

ginger- I have not tried it myself. I think the takehome ms here is- many

plants may be called snakeroot, depending on the appearance of the roots. I

think there are others using that name as well, tho I can't remember them.

The description of a. europaeum in the PDR Herbal would make me cautious in

trying it for a culinary material- asarone, causes severe vomiting..under

adverse reactions they say 'administration of the drug is not advised', talk

about liver tumors in mice, etc.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

--

Michael Acord <mpacord@concentric.net> wrote in message

news:38DE7C13.DE9D78D9@concentric.net...

>     Rumor has it that snakeroot can be substituted for ginger in

> cooking, but there seem to be several varieties of snakeroot.  Virginia

> snakeroot is different from Canadian snakeroot, which is classified as

> wild ginger.  Does anyone out there have any experience cooking with

> either variety?

>     Mike Acord

>









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Subject: Re: snakeroot and wild ginger

From: eggs@telusxplanet.net (elaine & glenn)

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:56:10 GMT

--------

On 26 Mar 2000 16:07:15 EST, Michael Acord <mpacord@concentric.net>

wrote:



>    Rumor has it that snakeroot can be substituted for ginger in

>cooking, but there seem to be several varieties of snakeroot.  Virginia

>snakeroot is different from Canadian snakeroot, which is classified as

>wild ginger.  Does anyone out there have any experience cooking with

>either variety?

>    Mike Acord

>

Hi,



I'm pretty sure that wild ginger is a threatened species. I'd look it

up before using it unless you are growing your own supply from

cultivated stock.



E





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Subject: Re: snakeroot and wild ginger

From: Bentley <bentl3y@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:39:51 GMT

--------

In article <38DE7C13.DE9D78D9@concentric.net>,

Michael Acord <mpacord@concentric.net> wrote:

> Rumor has it that snakeroot can be substituted for ginger in

> cooking, but there seem to be several varieties of snakeroot. Virginia

> snakeroot is different from Canadian snakeroot, which is classified as

> wild ginger. Does anyone out there have any experience cooking with

> either variety?

> Mike Acord

>

>

The kinda confusing thing is that soooo many herbs are called snakeroot.

Eupatorium rugosum, Polygala senega, Sanicula maculata et spp., Plantago

spp., Asarum spp., Aristolochia spp...etc.

"canada snakeroot" is the plant I call wild ginger... Asarum

canadense. It tastes something like ginger, a little more spicy and less

sweet. It maybe threatened in some places; it's fairly common in the

woods where I live. I've used it in cooking many a time, and recommend

shreds or thin slices of the fresh root if available. It dries down to

almost nothing.

bentley

.......

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.....

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Subject: Re: snakeroot and wild ginger

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass-nospam.net>

Date: 28 Mar 2000 11:16:11 GMT

--------

>

    Rumor has it that snakeroot can be substituted for ginger in

cooking, but there seem to be several varieties of snakeroot.  Virginia

snakeroot is different from Canadian snakeroot, which is classified as

wild ginger.  Does anyone out there have any experience cooking with

either variety?

>   Mike Acord



Do you mean Aristolochia serpentaria (Virginia snakeroot) and Asarum canadense

(Canadian snakeroot/wild ginger)?  Both belong to family Aristolochiaceae.  On

my last order with Blessed Herbs, I was thinking of including wild ginger but

didn't.  I use regular ginger, always fresh, never tried the dried form.  Being

skinny, I am ever looking for things to improve my digestion and appetite.  Do

these snakeroots cook tender/chewable, or do they stay stringy?



I notice sparse activity in this newsgroup since March 24, also below-normal

activity in the more active alt.support.asthma, wonder if something could have

happened with news.bluegrass.net server.



(Remove -nospam from email address)







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Subject: Re: Herbs and their usage

From: catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 01:05:09 GMT

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blackbriar wrote:

> 

> In article <xydD4.14591$ea6.503786@typhoon.neo.rr.com>,

> "Priestess Legion \(c\)" <Emissary@nospamneo.rr.com> wrote:

> 

> > can someone tell me where I may find information on herbs and

> > the [magical] usage of each....

> 

> check out some of witchwoman's older posts, or cat's page.  as

> for books, scott cunningham did an herbal encyclopedia which,

> although limited, is better than his books on wicca.  it is an

> excellent herbal reference.  paul beyerl wrote _the master book

> of herbalism_, which covers both medicinal and magickal uses of

> herbs and is fine if you can get through all the cheesy wiccan

> renn-faire geek psuedo-archaism.  papa jim has a book of herbal

> magick for those more inclined to hoodoo.  for medicinal herbs,

> your best shot is _the herb book_ by john lust.  i'm not sure

> where you can get papa jim's book, but the others are available

> through azure green.



 Good list, blackbriar, and i agree with your reviews. 



My favourites for magical uses are "Papa Jim's Magical Herb Book" and

Henri Gamache's "Master Book of Herbs." Another fairly good one is

"Legends of Incense, Herb and Oil Magic" by Lewis de Claremont. I sell

all three through my online store; to order, you can just go to

     http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatbooks.html



Also at my catalogue, i maintain a page of information about almost 100

herbs, with brief desctiptions of their uses in hoodoo. This is a sales

page, but the information is free and many people download it and print

it off as a sort of ready-reference for quick info-hits. The URL is

     http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatherbs.html



Here are my ireviews of the three hoodoo-oriented herb books i sell:



Papa Jim Magical Herb Book 

      by Papa Jim [James E. Sickafus] 

      Originally published in 1985; this is a 1996 reprint. Papa Jim

runs a "voodoo, hoodoo, santos, santeria" spiritual supply store in San

Antonio, Texas. His spelling is eccentric, his grammar is idiosyncratic,

and his information is top-notch. He also writes about himself in the

third person: "Papa Jim is a very famous healer, root doctor, and card

reader. [...] Papa Jim is from a Maumee Indian father and a german

Indian mother. Born at the fork of two great rivers in Indiana. [...]

History will tell of the greatness of Papa Jim." 

      48 pages, saddle-stitched. $5.00 

----



Legends of Incense, Herbs & Oil Magic 

      by Lewis de Claremont 



      Orig. pub. circa 1935; facsimile reprint. 

      A strong influence on 20th century hoodoo practices, this

collection of tidbits by Lewis de Claremont integrates European and

African-American traditions in presenting information about the basics

of magical spell-work involving roots, herbs, talismans, sachets, oils,

and incense. 

      96 pages, saddle-stitched. $5.00 

----



The Magic OF Herbs 

	by Henri Gamache 

	Originally published circa 1945; this is a facsimile reprint

	An illustrated compendium of archaic European and African-American

herb-lore collected by the scholarly Mr. Gamache, which also includes 17

pages of formulas for herbal incenses, oils, and sachets; and

categorized lists of herbs recommended for general medical conditions. 

	96 pages, saddle-stitched. $5.00 

----



Cordially, 



cat yronwode 



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Subject: herb or garlic for ticks on dog?

From: kryptical0@aol.comnospam (Kryptical0)

Date: 27 Mar 2000 20:57:33 GMT

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Hello..

  I live in the south, where deer ticks are all over the place, especially at

my house, which out in the woods.  Even though my dog is one Frontline, which

is supposed to kill ticks, I still find several on her when she comes inside

after a day of playing in the woods.  It seems like I have heard that if you

sprinkle garlic on their food, it will repel ticks.  Does anyone know if this

is indeed true?  If not, does anyone know of any herbs/spices etc. that I can

give to my dog to keep ticks from wanting to latch on to her?  Any advise would

be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance,

Jennifer





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herb or garlic for ticks on dog?

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:39:00 -0700

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I found that putting Tea Tree oil on the tick bite helps them pull out and

fights off any infection.



If you want the garlic to work, you need to feed two cloves of fresh raw

garlic to your pet daily (not the powdered or deodorized kind), along with

some brewers yeast to help boost their immunity.  This has to be done daily

or it won't work.   I've also heard that by putting a teaspoon of apple

cider vinegar on thier food will make thier blood inhospitable to fleas, so

it may also work with ticks.



Jasper



Kryptical0 <kryptical0@aol.comnospam> wrote in message

news:20000327155733.23048.00000956@ng-fd1.aol.com...

> Hello..

>   I live in the south, where deer ticks are all over the place, especially

at

> my house, which out in the woods.  Even though my dog is one Frontline,

which

> is supposed to kill ticks, I still find several on her when she comes

inside

> after a day of playing in the woods.  It seems like I have heard that if

you

> sprinkle garlic on their food, it will repel ticks.  Does anyone know if

this

> is indeed true?  If not, does anyone know of any herbs/spices etc. that I

can

> give to my dog to keep ticks from wanting to latch on to her?  Any advise

would

> be greatly appreciated!

> Thanks in advance,

> Jennifer









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Newsgroups: alt.religion.orisha,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.lucky.w

Subject: Re: Shameweed

From: catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:32:21 GMT

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Eoghan wrote:

> 

> OK Cat, here's another for you. I came across this in Puckett's 

> book. Can you tell us what Shameweed is?

> 

> Eoghan

> 

> eballard@sas.upenn.edu



I don't know that name, sorry, but i should guess that it is Jewelweed,

also known as Touch Me Not. It might possibly be Mimosa pudica, also

known as Sensitive Plant. Both of these p[lants recoil when touched,

acting "ashamed." Of the two, only Jewelweed is native to the southern

USA, and it is quite common along watery banks in the hardowods, so,

considering that the source of the reference is Puckett's book on

Southern Negroes, i'd guess Shameweed is Jewelweed. Crushed up frssh

Jewelweed is used to soothe poison sumac, poison ivy, bee stings, and

chigger bites.  



That was just a guess. I may be right and i may be wrong... and if i'm

wrong, please let me know. (Cc's to a couple of other newsgroups for

more input.) 



cat yronwode 



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Subject: Re: Blessed Thistle?

From: "Herb Quest" <hquest@sisna.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:32:56 -0700

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BLESSED THISTLE is good for menopause and female problems, will help with

puberty, rids system of tumors, takes oxygen to the brain and helps

circulation, female hormone balancer, helps with cramps.

Brenda Ball <BrenBall@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:10999-38DE8C28-49@storefull-165.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

>       I have a friend who recommended an herb called blessed thistle as

> a fertility aid. Although I have read about it and my books do not

> recommend anyone  trying to conceive to take this. Does anyone know

> anything about this herb?

>

>                       Brenda

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Blessed Thistle?

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:15:47 -0700

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If you want to increase fertility with herbs, go for the simple nutritive

herbs like Raspberry, Nettles and Red Clover.  Steep a handful of herb in

boiled water overnight and drink daily.  They are packed full of vitamins

and minerals and are known to be uterine tonics.  Also supplementing with

Magnesium and Calcium (2:1 ratio, you'll have to search for that one in a

good health food store because most are 1:2) and Vitamin E greatly effect a

womans ability to concieve.



I've always thought to use Blessed Thistle after pregnancy to help increase

breast milk production and soothe the nerves and post partum depression.



Jasper



Mountain Magic Herbs



Brenda Ball <BrenBall@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:10999-38DE8C28-49@storefull-165.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

>       I have a friend who recommended an herb called blessed thistle as

> a fertility aid. Although I have read about it and my books do not

> recommend anyone  trying to conceive to take this. Does anyone know

> anything about this herb?

>

>                       Brenda

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs & Antibodies?

From: parijata2@aol.com (Parijata2)

Date: 28 Mar 2000 07:04:27 GMT

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I recently found out that my thyroid antibody count was EXTREMELY high. Does

anyone know any herbs to lower antibody count? (Please dont give me the kelp

information. lol Or any other information. I just want antibody info and I am

afraid there is none!) Please include send to author in your post, as I may not

be able to  come back here. Parijata2@aol.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs & Antibodies?

From: tomas sattiv <papa_tom@yahoo.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:15:28 -0800

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I've seen one case improve with lemon balm (Melissa spp). Improved the TSH count,

too. I was, and am, amazed. It's growing vibrant now up here in the pacific NW



Naturally, you ought to seek out a qualified practitioner to help balance out your

constitution as well, which will more llikely address the cause of the situation.





peace

tomas





Parijata2 wrote:



> I recently found out that my thyroid antibody count was EXTREMELY high. Does

> anyone know any herbs to lower antibody count? (Please dont give me the kelp

> information. lol Or any other information. I just want antibody info and I am

> afraid there is none!) Please include send to author in your post, as I may not

> be able to  come back here. Parijata2@aol.com







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ginseng diggers diary now online

From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

Date: 28 Mar 2000 09:53:33 GMT

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Good day,



My short-story-sized ginseng diggers diary, 

titled A Crafty Gentleman,

can presently be read online at



	 http://www.ncf.ca/~bh295/cgjuly.html



I describe some detail about the plants, art of

digging, local features and characters, and talk

about the sustainability of the wild plants and

also my way of thinking of the plants as being sentient.



It may get a bit of editing before we print it up

with pics and all.  Let me know what you think,

and if there's any bugs in the pages.



Thank You

Lee    

--

Flute Tree                           the novel

     Fantasia in Green with Silver & Blonde

           http://www.ncf.ca/~bh295/





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: tree stories/poems/anecdotes wtd

From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

Date: 28 Mar 2000 10:03:15 GMT

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Good day again



Looking for stories poems thoughts personal experiences

with trees as the subject or setting.   In this collection

we want to have a wide variety of expressions that relate

to the meaning of trees in a spiritual, emotional, romantic

or fantasy way. 



The collection we hope to publish in late 2000 initially

Ebook, with proceeds going to benefit tree projects. 

We don't plan to pay any author royalty, except to designated

tree projects.  Authors get credit and also retain full copyright

of your work. Author byline can include URL etc.



Short and shorter pieces welcome. Also line drawings,

especially looking for dryads.



Thank You,

Lee        bh295@ncf.ca





--

Flute Tree                           the novel

     Fantasia in Green with Silver & Blonde

           http://www.ncf.ca/~bh295/





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Wild Harvesters list & sell

From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

Date: 28 Mar 2000 10:15:13 GMT

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If you harvest and craft wild herbs & herbal products

and have a stated or visible commitment to sustainable

practice in respect of good conservation,



list your contact info & products (not prices) free

    http://www.ncf.ca/~bh295/wildherb.html



Our list is mostly centered on the eastern half of 

North America.  For other territory I am glad to provide

a link & address.   



A friend of the plant people, Karen & www.Altnature.com,

now has e-commerce service for online shopping. If you

can be totally dependable about quality and shipping

to customers, consider placing your product in the

online store  at the hub of the herb information circle.

      http://www.altnature.com/



Be Well - Do the Right Thing



Lee

--

Flute Tree                           the novel

     Fantasia in Green with Silver & Blonde

           http://www.ncf.ca/~bh295/





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: autumn - what to do with Ginkgo leaves?

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:17:17 GMT

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Any suggestions - they don't taste too good raw.  They are reminiscent of

olives, maybe if I soaked them in brine I could put them on pizza?



--

sos

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Contraceptive herbs?

From: "Romy" <romys@NOSPAMyebo.co.za>

Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:53:04 +0200

--------

There have been lots of requests for herbs that aid fertility, but I wonder

if there are any that aid contraception. I've been on the pill for several

months and have had a number of side-effects including very exhausting mood

swings! Is there any natural contraceptive that I could use in place of the

usual chemical ones?

ROMY













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Contraceptive herbs?

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:29:50 -0700

--------

Although there are several herbs to be known to be sterility promoters or

prevent implantation, there is no true and safe herbal birth control.  A

good book to look into is The Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Years

by Susun Weed (Ash Tree Publishing).  There definately are a good amount of

herbals to help abort an unwanted child, but that is in NO way an

appropriate birth control.  The best natural method of birth control is

monitering your Basal Body temp each morning along with checking your

cervical mucus to find out when you are ovulating, and then avoid

intercourse atleast 3 days before and after.  There is a lot of dicipline to

natural family planning, but it works up to 99.9% if used properly.  If

anyone is interested in more information, I would be happy to discuss this

birth control method.



In terms of coming off the pill, I would suggest you take some gentle

liver/alterative herbs such as Dandelion Root, Burdock Root or Oregon Grape

Root to help get you system back in balance.



Jasper



Mountain Magic Herbs





Romy <romys@NOSPAMyebo.co.za> wrote in message

news:8br26e$4ja$1@ctb-nnrp1.saix.net...

> There have been lots of requests for herbs that aid fertility, but I

wonder

> if there are any that aid contraception. I've been on the pill for several

> months and have had a number of side-effects including very exhausting

mood

> swings! Is there any natural contraceptive that I could use in place of

the

> usual chemical ones?

> ROMY

>

>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Contraceptive herbs?

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass-nospam.net>

Date: 30 Mar 2000 08:30:59 GMT

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>

Although there are several herbs to be known to be sterility promoters or

prevent implantation, there is no true and safe herbal birth control.  A

good book to look into is The Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Years

by Susun Weed (Ash Tree Publishing).  There definately are a good amount of

herbals to help abort an unwanted child, but that is in NO way an

appropriate birth control.  The best natural method of birth control is

monitering your Basal Body temp each morning along with checking your

cervical mucus to find out when you are ovulating, and then avoid

intercourse atleast 3 days before and after.  There is a lot of dicipline to

natural family planning, but it works up to 99.9% if used properly.  If

anyone is interested in more information, I would be happy to discuss this

birth control method.

>



Is this method of birth control known as rhythm, the only method approved by the

Roman Catholic Church?  How does the woman know three days in advance when she

will be ovulating?



From my reading, there are herbal abortifacients, but none are safe.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Contraceptive herbs?

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 30 Mar 2000 17:13:51 GMT

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>Is this method of birth control known as rhythm, the only method approved by

>the

>Roman Catholic Church? 



Yes...but there is another form approved.... That of abstinance. Isn't

organized religion grand? lol!





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Contraceptive herbs?

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:51:01 -0700

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Yes, this is known as the rhythm method, also known as natural family

planning.  It's interesting to note that my father is training to become a

decon in the Roman Catholic Church!  Don't worry, I'm just a good ol' earth

loving wiccian hippie!



The trick to knowing when to abstain before ovualting is charting your (the

female in the relationship of course :) ) cycle for several months to know

your hormonal patterns.  Viewing your cervix and cervical mucus helps too.

This method doesn't work for women with irregular cycles.  It takes a lot of

dedication, patience, and trust for this method to work.  Not something to

use if you are not with a life-partner, especially since it doesn't protect

one form VD's!



Jasper



Mountain Magic Herbs



Thomas Mueller <tmueller@bluegrass-nospam.net> wrote in message

news:954405059.462176@news.bluegrass.net...

> >

> Although there are several herbs to be known to be sterility promoters or

> prevent implantation, there is no true and safe herbal birth control.  A

> good book to look into is The Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Years

> by Susun Weed (Ash Tree Publishing).  There definately are a good amount

of

> herbals to help abort an unwanted child, but that is in NO way an

> appropriate birth control.  The best natural method of birth control is

> monitering your Basal Body temp each morning along with checking your

> cervical mucus to find out when you are ovulating, and then avoid

> intercourse atleast 3 days before and after.  There is a lot of dicipline

to

> natural family planning, but it works up to 99.9% if used properly.  If

> anyone is interested in more information, I would be happy to discuss this

> birth control method.

> >

>

> Is this method of birth control known as rhythm, the only method approved

by the

> Roman Catholic Church?  How does the woman know three days in advance when

she

> will be ovulating?

>

> From my reading, there are herbal abortifacients, but none are safe.

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Contraceptive herbs?

From: "LWakefield" <wakefield0ground@mix-net.net>

Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:32:32 -0500

--------

You ask a question that has spurred research and efforts for probably

thousands of years, certainly hundreds. Cottonseed, I think it was, during

the slave years in the south, was sought after by female slaves who did not

want to be impregnated by their owners.



--

L. Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck Heretik, that refuses

to stay inside the lines when parking.

Romy <romys@NOSPAMyebo.co.za> wrote in message

news:8br26e$4ja$1@ctb-nnrp1.saix.net...

> There have been lots of requests for herbs that aid fertility, but I

wonder

> if there are any that aid contraception. I've been on the pill for several

> months and have had a number of side-effects including very exhausting

mood

> swings! Is there any natural contraceptive that I could use in place of

the

> usual chemical ones?

> ROMY

>

>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Contraceptive herbs?

From: "anonymous" <anonymous@nowhere.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:23:14 -0800

--------

This topic has been an interest of mine. There are many herbs that have been

used traditionally for contraception.  Unfortunately there has been very

little research with regards to their efficacy.  Riddle has written several

books on the history of herbal contraceptives and abortives.  Several other

authors have written "how to" books.



I can point you in the direction of some of these herbs, but I don't know

that I would advise using them as a main contraceptive method given our

current knowledge about them...



"Romy" <romys@NOSPAMyebo.co.za> wrote in message

news:8br26e$4ja$1@ctb-nnrp1.saix.net...

> There have been lots of requests for herbs that aid fertility, but I

wonder

> if there are any that aid contraception. I've been on the pill for several

> months and have had a number of side-effects including very exhausting

mood

> swings! Is there any natural contraceptive that I could use in place of

the

> usual chemical ones?

> ROMY

>

>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Percolation

From: "Brett Matthews" <bjmatty@freenetname.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:13:01 +0100

--------

Can anybody help ? My wife needs information on Percolation / Techniques as

apparently it's not a common practice in the U.K.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Percolation

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:10:57 +0300

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"Brett Matthews" <bjmatty@freenetname.co.uk> wrote:

>Can anybody help ? My wife needs information on Percolation / Techniques as

>apparently it's not a common practice in the U.K.



It's a very widespread practice in the industrialized world. A normal coffee

machine is a percolator.



Now, if she wants to percolate tinctures, there's King's entry on extracts,

online here: http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/eclectic/kings/extracta.html

and on Michael Moore's site you'll find his Percolation Worksheet, which makes

the necessary calculations -very- much easier:

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE - go for the manuals.



Cheers

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Can someone mail some Lobelia pods/seeds?

From: cv528@torfree.net (Anton Hofman)

Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:15:26 GMT

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Having trouble getting these here in Toronto.



Appreciate any help.

-- 



   tony







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Can someone mail some Lobelia pods/seeds?

From: cv528@torfree.net (Anton Hofman)

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:09:41 GMT

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i.e. these are to be Lobelia inflata, thanks

-- 







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Can someone mail some Lobelia pods/seeds?

From: Conrad Richter <conradr@idirect.com>

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:09:44 GMT

--------

Anton Hofman wrote:

> 

> Having trouble getting these here in Toronto.

> 

> Appreciate any help.

> --

> 

>    tony



We have them, and we are close to Toronto. 



http://www.richters.com



RICHTERS HERBS





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ancient art of webcrafting

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:59:08 GMT

--------

I am gathering some echinacea from a local web site.



I can apparently collect either the dried herb juice of the tops, or the

dried root.



Any opinions on which is more effective for blasting colds (and no, I don't

have ech. growing in my  back yard).



Thanks



--

sos

O@H survival guide and ping plots: http://metrak.com/OaH













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ancient art of webcrafting

From: Peggy Jentoft <skygreen@mediaone.net>

Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:00:13 GMT

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Its the root I've always heard had the most effect

Peggy j



sos wrote:



> I am gathering some echinacea from a local web site.

>

> I can apparently collect either the dried herb juice of the tops, or the

> dried root.

>

> Any opinions on which is more effective for blasting colds (and no, I don't

> have ech. growing in my  back yard).

>

> Thanks

>

> --

> sos

> O@H survival guide and ping plots: http://metrak.com/OaH



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Subject: Re: ancient art of webcrafting

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:57:58 -0700

--------

If you want to use the root, it has to be recently dried (like within a

week), because it loses a lot of its potency there after.



What species of Echinacea are you using?  purpurea is a lot weaker than

angustifolia, but is easier to grow organically.  angustifolia is generally

overharvested from the wild and is becoming endangered.



Jasper



Mountain Magic Herbs



sos <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au> wrote in message

news:gHbE4.431$mf4.1748@news1.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au...

> I am gathering some echinacea from a local web site.

>

> I can apparently collect either the dried herb juice of the tops, or the

> dried root.

>

> Any opinions on which is more effective for blasting colds (and no, I

don't

> have ech. growing in my  back yard).

>

> Thanks

>

> --

> sos

> O@H survival guide and ping plots: http://metrak.com/OaH

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Drug Interactions w/ Chinese Herbs?

From: "MH" <adanac@earthlink.net-remove>

Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:14:26 GMT

--------

Is it safe to take Chinese herbs while on antibiotics?  Thanks.









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Subject: Re: Drug Interactions w/ Chinese Herbs?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:11:02 +0300

--------

"MH" <adanac@earthlink.net-remove> wrote:

>Is it safe to take Chinese herbs while on antibiotics?  Thanks.



You could just as easily ask "Is it safe to eat plants while on antibiotics?" -

your question is too wide. Also, unfortunately for you there's not too many TCM

herbal folks on alt.folklore.herbs, so even if you were more specific your

chances of a good reply are small.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Aloe Vera Juice in Bottle?

From: "MH" <adanac@earthlink.net-remove>

Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:20:09 GMT

--------

I have heard that aloe vera is excellent for digestion; however, I also

heard that once the aloe leaf is cut, it becomes medically ineffective after

12 hrs.  Hence, buying aloe juice in a bottle would be useless.  If that's

the case, are you supposed to suck a freshly cut aloe leaf instead?  That

sounds a bit unpalatable, to say the least.









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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera Juice in Bottle?

From: crosseyedmaire@aol.com (CrossEyedMaire)

Date: 29 Mar 2000 12:09:23 GMT

--------

> If that's

>the case, are you supposed to suck a freshly cut aloe leaf instead?  That

>sounds a bit unpalatable, to say the least.



MH,

LOL!!

That sounds perfectly disgusting.

I have wondered about the Aloe Vera question myself.

Ronnie





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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera Juice in Bottle?

From: "MGL" <sirmark@mindspring.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:08:14 -0500

--------

The Aloe mixture has been used by the Seminole Indians for generations.

It's most effective for stomach ulcers and other disorders.

    In the water solution, Aloe will remain effective for a good while, it's

the contact with air that degenerates the qualities.





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all  yourself.







"MH" <adanac@earthlink.net-remove> wrote in message

news:Z0jE4.2795$9m6.108694@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...

> I have heard that aloe vera is excellent for digestion; however, I also

> heard that once the aloe leaf is cut, it becomes medically ineffective

after

> 12 hrs.  Hence, buying aloe juice in a bottle would be useless.  If that's

> the case, are you supposed to suck a freshly cut aloe leaf instead?  That

> sounds a bit unpalatable, to say the least.

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Mugwort: Grows Wild In Virginia?????

From: bluhmoon@aol.com (BluhMoon)

Date: 29 Mar 2000 21:09:29 GMT

--------





Does anyone have info regarding this?  I'm in Northern Virginia and would be

ecstatic if I could obtain Mugwort here locally.



Thanks!

Diana





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Subject: Re: Mugwort: Grows Wild In Virginia?????

From: Don Wiss <donwiss@spam_not.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:53:07 -0500

--------

On 29 Mar 2000 21:09:29 GMT, bluhmoon@aol.com (BluhMoon) wrote:



>Does anyone have info regarding this?  I'm in Northern Virginia and would be

>ecstatic if I could obtain Mugwort here locally.



Well, it grows wild all over the parks here in NYC and Brooklyn. I would

expect it also to grow down there.



Don (donwiss at panix.com).





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mugwort: Grows Wild In Virginia?????

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 30 Mar 2000 02:14:57 GMT

--------

Don is correct, it grows wild all over. She's a city girl tho so look for her

in empty lots in town not in the forests.



Belinda





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: hair

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 29 Mar 2000 22:03:16 GMT

--------

>i dont know if anyone can help me but i wonder if anyone knows of a herb

>or herbs to make my hair grow faster.

>thanks

>love vickie



As I told you on alt.pshm..check the archives at deja,lots of great stuff. This

was just discussed here at length.



Or read through all the older posts on your newsreader from last month/this

month here. Quit being so lazy.It helps to make an effort on ones own...





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: hair

From: "Deb" <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:31:09 -0800

--------



Jo <peacedawge@aol.comgarbage> wrote in message

news:20000329170316.03341.00004085@ng-cv1.aol.com...

> >i dont know if anyone can help me but i wonder if anyone knows of a herb

> >or herbs to make my hair grow faster.

> >thanks

> >love vickie

>



Eat a nutritious menu, exersize, drink lots of water, brush with a natural

bristle brush, think long thoughts....  ;>



Not herbal, but it works for me.  (I'm about ready to cut off between

14" -22" depending on my mood when I get it done.)







> As I told you on alt.pshm..check the archives at deja,lots of great stuff.

This

> was just discussed here at length.





Some people don't have web access, so deja is not an option.



>

> Or read through all the older posts on your newsreader from last

month/this

> month here.





My ISP only holds alt.* posts for 5 days.  Can't go back very far with that.





>Quit being so lazy.It helps to make an effort on ones own...



You could have given an answer in the time it took to post this.  Take a

deep breath and chill, Jo.



Deb

--

If I ran the world, we'd all face different challenges.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: hair

From: goddess_kitten@my-deja.com

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:41:48 GMT

--------

In article <i7EE4.1061$BS6.11643@nntp1.onemain.com>,

"Deb" <debra@teleport.com> wrote:

>

> Jo <peacedawge@aol.comgarbage> wrote in message

> news:20000329170316.03341.00004085@ng-cv1.aol.com...

> > >i dont know if anyone can help me but i wonder if anyone knows of a

herb

> > >or herbs to make my hair grow faster.

> > >thanks

> > >love vickie

> >

>

> Eat a nutritious menu, exersize, drink lots of water, brush with a

natural

> bristle brush, think long thoughts.... ;>

>





Those are good points.  Too many of us don't eat right these days.  We

get in too big of a rush.  De-stressing also helps with thickening the

hair, at least in my family.  There's nothing like no longer pulling

your hair out over little things to make it thicken up again.



Also, (once again for the record) I like using a hair rinse made from a

tablespoon or two of cider vinegar in a couple cups of distilled water.

A few drops of rosemary essential oil added to it is good for the scalp.



Also, my hair has thickened since I stopped using shampoos made with

lots of detergents.  Instead, I use either herbal shampoo or make my own

with goats milk soap and distilled water.



--

Light, Love, & Laughter,

Kitten

"There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a

miracle.

The other is as though everything is a miracle." -- Albert Einstein

(1879-1955)





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Subject: Re: hair

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 30 Mar 2000 17:40:30 GMT

--------

>i dont know if anyone can help me but i wonder if anyone knows of a herb

>or herbs to make my hair grow faster.

>thanks

>love vickie



past posts bits and pieces from deja...





"what kinda herb can I take to make my hair grow thicker and faster?"



teas applied topically(used to rinse hair): wild cherry bark & white sage



"many people who swear by prenatal vitamins, and the herb, Horsetail is

beneficial to all those keratin containing appendages"



"and they just happen to have mentiond that capsicum (Cayenne)  ,3 caps a day,

will increase bloodflow to the scalp and thusly promote strong hair growth and

prevent baldness before it happens. " 



(-_-)





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: hair

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 30 Mar 2000 15:37:50 EDT

--------

vickie <vickie17@hotmail.com>  wrote:              03-30-00  01:20

Vi> i dont know if anyone can help me but i wonder if anyone knows of a

Vi> herb or herbs to make my hair grow faster.



    Although not a herb, taking MSM (in capsule form) may help one's

    hair and fingernails grow longer and faster.

    Of course, MSM is good for many things.



.. End  of  message                                 30 Mar 00  01:24

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: hair

From: Bentley <bentl3y@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:22:28 GMT

--------

In article <amieBC8F8B5A.4E.239@edgebbs.com>,

George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY> wrote:

> vickie <vickie17@hotmail.com> wrote: 03-30-00 01:20

> Vi> i dont know if anyone can help me but i wonder if anyone knows of

a

> Vi> herb or herbs to make my hair grow faster.

>

> Although not a herb, taking MSM (in capsule form) may help one's

> hair and fingernails grow longer and faster.

> Of course, MSM is good for many things.

>



In some cases sarsaparilla (smilax spp.) is helpful. A decoction can be

taken internally or externally. I would dis-recommend it during

pregnancy, though. It strengthens hair and keeps it from falling out

before it gets long. It might also make the hair grow more from the

roots.



Bentley

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Subject: joagulan chinese herb

From: cetta41@aol.com (Cetta41)

Date: 30 Mar 2000 02:03:55 GMT

--------

how safe is this herb. it is said to lower blood pressure and cholestorol.







                                                                 connie





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Natural Rooting Hormone!

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:44:02 -0700

--------

News flash from the Martha Stewart show ... 



  If you cut young willow twigs (any Salix species) into short

chunks and simmer them GENTLY (no boiling) for a couple of hours

with enough water to cover them, then strain the infusion it

extracts the rooting hormone from the willows.

  Store in the refrigerator. 



To use, put a cup or two of the infusion into a jar and place the

cuttings you want to root into it for 12-24 hours.  Plant the

cuttings the usual way, discard the infusion.



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Natural Rooting Hormone!

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:11:00 +0300

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>News flash from the Martha Stewart show ... 

>  If you cut young willow twigs (any Salix species) into short

>chunks and simmer them GENTLY (no boiling) for a couple of hours

>with enough water to cover them, then strain the infusion it

>extracts the rooting hormone from the willows.

>  Store in the refrigerator. 

>

>To use, put a cup or two of the infusion into a jar and place the

>cuttings you want to root into it for 12-24 hours.  Plant the

>cuttings the usual way, discard the infusion.



Actually you don't have to simmer. I just cut them up and put them into a glass

of water; add root cuttings to the glass and sit back and watch the roots grow.



Best done in spring, when willows -swim- in rooting hormones.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Herb specs help

From: "Murray Bird" <mbird@kscable.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:33:44 GMT

--------

Hi All



I am doing research on some new herbs and have found some where there is no

reference to in all the herb books we have here. Herbs like White Rosemary,

Chocolate Daisy etc. is an example of what I am looking for. We basically

need the Description, Soil required, Propagation and so forth.



Does anyone have any leads on where to find out information about these??

I would appreciate it very much.



TIA

Murray













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb specs help

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:11:05 +0300

--------

"Murray Bird" <mbird@kscable.com> wrote:

>I am doing research on some new herbs and have found some where there is no

>reference to in all the herb books we have here. Herbs like White Rosemary,

>Chocolate Daisy etc. is an example of what I am looking for. We basically

>need the Description, Soil required, Propagation and so forth.

>

>Does anyone have any leads on where to find out information about these??



Check your favorite seed catalogues - the glossier and the more pictures, the

better. This type of names is not found in botanical tomes; they're made up to

sell more plants. 



Sometimes it's name that defines a cultivar. 



Other times it's something undefined that's come in as seed (perhaps with the

wrong label, perhaps with no label at all), been test grown, hmmm, -this-

doesn't look like a normal rosemary, let's call it "White Rosemary"; if we sell

it as normal rosemary our customers will complain ...



Cheers

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Devil's Claw

From: diana@thorley1999.freeserve.co.uk (diana thorley)

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:39:29 GMT

--------

Can anyone tell me something about this please. Is it a herb? I can't

find it in my herb book.  I am interested for relief of pain in

osteoarthritis.  I already have a  list of other things that I am

working through but have no info on this particular item. 

Thank you,  DT 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Folklore...

From: "WL Sakowski" <WL.Sakowski@GratisNet.com>

Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2000 21:48:58 

--------





	 WKR> From: "Wolf Kestris Rowanwood" <wolffe@onslowonline.net>



Folklore, according to _Webster_:

1:  traditional customs, tales, sayings, or art forms preserved

among a people



 WKR> Than it should never have been named folklore in the

 WKR> beginning.



 WKR> Henriette Kress wrote in message ...



>>"Wolf Kestris Rowanwood" <wolffe@onslowonline.net> wrote:

>>>then it should be named alt. FOLKREMEDIES.herbs, not FOLKLORE.



At any rate, as we say in our family, "It is what it is". I admire

one with such fervor as you.  But, as there are things of much

greater importance than this, start with one, meeting it with the

same fervor that this is receiving, and we will see great things

from you.  IOW, exercise your effort over something truly

worthy of your fervor.



>>You cannot rename a working newsgroup in the alt. hierarchy and

>>expect it to work under the new name. Otherwise it'd have changed

>> -long- ago.

>>Henriette



cheers,

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Subject: hi help me please

From: itsmeok <quartz32NOquSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid>

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:02:55 -0800

--------

can ginseng help increase to strength of my erections ?



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Subject: Anabolic genistein derivative.

From: guineapigrx@my-deja.com

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:12:15 GMT

--------

I heard that a compound that can be derived from Genistein is highly

anabolic with out any androgenic side effects.

The extract is called MX7

I think it will be talked about at the Pro-Anabolic Seminar

I think the address is genn.com/pa  ?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: What to do with ginkgo leaves?

From: "sos" <pauls@classware.KILL.SPAM.com.au>

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:33:57 GMT

--------

The leaves on the ginkgo tree are starting to turn yellow.



Any suggestions as to preparing them for medicinal purposes?



--

sos













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Squill

From: "MGL" <sirmark@mindspring.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:16:32 -0500

--------

I have looked for this herb, also called Sea Onion.

Does anyone know of where it could be purchased?



Thank You





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Squill

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage (Jo)

Date: 31 Mar 2000 05:04:20 GMT

--------

>I have looked for this herb, also called Sea Onion.

>Does anyone know of where it could be purchased?

>

>Thank You

>

>

>--

>RavenStone



It is found in alot of botanicas. I am able to get it if you need it . Let me

know as I am ordering some for someone else as well this week. :-) 



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Subject: black currant

From: "Jonny" <jsigel@nothanks.worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:29:50 GMT

--------

I've got an eczema condition for which I was advised to take black currant

oil. Anyone know this herb?









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: rosewater or rose water

From: Michael Acord <mpacord@concentric.net>

Date: 30 Mar 2000 22:31:10 EST

--------

I would like to know if anyone out there has a good source for rosewater

(or is it rose water?)  I would make my own, but am afraid of any

residues on roses, as I am interested in using the extract in cooking.

I tried Penzey's, and several searches  with several different engines,

but to no avail.  Any help would be much appreciated.  TYIA

    Mike Acord







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.health

Subject: ISO Herbal Sex-Kill...

From: bee_liner@my-deja.com

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:28:08 GMT

--------

Does anyone know of herbs that will decrease a man's sex drive?



I'm under the impression licorace may help, as it has something to do

with estrogen production.  But using licorace-containing products

doesnt seem to do much for me.  Maybe higher potency?



Any suggestions?



Thanks.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Manic depression alternative meds

From: manray5944@my-deja.com

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:46:18 GMT

--------

 A loved one is on a regimen of standard meds for bipolar disorder. Has

anyone had any success with vitamin and herbal therapies for this

disorder? I've read about orthomolecular medicine and this seems

promising.

~Blessings,

 Manray





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