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Subject: Need info on Shen Min / He Shou Wu

From: "Acacia" <kaul@attglobal.net>

Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:33:16 -0400

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Has anyone here used this?









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Subject: Re: Need info on Shen Min / He Shou Wu

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:58:33 -0400

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   OK, Leo, I just gave in and visited your webpage. I like the photos- esp

the cheetahs and the sphinx rock (it looks like it's lying on its back

screaming at the sky- creepy..)

   And I have some questions.- 1) I keep trying to come up with farm-grown

alternatives to things you buy- and my sister had been in Nepal, and told me

about butter lamps- and then I saw them in a movie about Everest. Well,

you've been there, and you probably know- how do you get butter to burn? I

make butter here on my farm. I tried clarifying it- like making ghee- and I

tried using a wick, and without a wick.. the best I can do is if I preheat

the clarified stuff and use a wick- then it will burn for a little while-

but those pictures of rows and rows of lamps- how do they keep them burning?

    2) What is the actual translation of BA-SA-DI- or whatever it was? We've

heard about pumpkinheads, wooden heads, and some of your other best

expressions, but you gotta keep us literate in the most important of the

basics of foreign language- that is, how to cuss.. I really wanta know..

   3) and finally (LOL) you left yourself open for this one- why, oh why, in

the picture of you and the cops, are your hands behind your back? Is this

traditional Chinese posture for pictures, or is there something you are not

telling us? (I noticed that one of the cops also has his hands behind his

back, so I'm hoping, well, you know..

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

<nature_heals@my-deja.com> wrote in message

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> He Shou Wu is a good one to lower LDL and TG. Also is helpful to

> improve the Yin quality of our body.

>

> Dr Bell: http://chineseherb.friendpages.com/

>

> In article <39d66bfc_2@news1.prserv.net>,

>   "Acacia" <kaul@attglobal.net> wrote:

> > Has anyone here used this?

> >

> >

>

>

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

> Before you buy.









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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster)

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:56:24 GMT

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"KSheaBrown" <ksheabrown@aol.com> wrote in\ > I was hit by a van while

walking across the street, which resulted in brain

> damage and knee surgery.  I am so used to being active and healthy that I

> stressed out and developed shingles.  Shingles is thought to be triggered

by

> stress.



She is under tremendous stressors right now.  Has been classified disabled

for the last 3 years due to the asthma and one lung, plus severe allergies

to just about everything.  All these other things the lupus diagnosis,

chemo, fibromyalgia, vision problems (she thinks from steroid use), etc.

have popped up one right after another.  The poor woman has been given lots

of drugs, especially steroids, for a very very long time.



I found out that staying far away from sugar and most carbs is

> important.



Things she craves.



It is extemely important to eliminate stress--I finally accepted

> that I wasn't going to start running again the next day.  Also taking

500mg of

> the amino acid lysine on an empty stomach a couple of times a day is very

> helpful.



Have put this on my shopping list to get for her.

>

> Chemo for lupus!?  A dear friend of mine got lupus after a gall bladder

> operation many years ago.  She reached the point where she was so sick

that she

> one day lay down to die.  Her niece did something so completely cruel that

my

> friend bounced back with resolution to fight the lupus and gave up on

> conventional doctors.  She found an MD who applies alternative health.

She

> takes oregano oil (which is very powerful and must be started with only a

> couple of drops) when she gets infections now, does not consume sugar,

caffeine

> or wheat.  Eats organic and runs around like a very healthy, much younger

> person.



Lifestyle and diet changes would most definitely help - however, she is on a

limited income (disability) which JUST covers her small mortgage and

utilities, and she does get $22 a month in food stamps however buys a lot of

(what I consider) junk foods and she stretches them for many days (like

hamburger helper type things).  Don't blame her having to live on $22 a

month is simply impossible.  I bring her some foods as I can, healthy

choices, which she appreciates - but I cannot see how she can *afford*

healthy foods.  She was accepting a food donation once a month from a local

church, but it was pretty much the same kind of processed foods.  Nothing

fresh.



>

> Your friend has some real challenges.  My mother has asthma and my

stepmother

> has fibromyalgia.   Both lupus and fibromyalgia are considered autoimmune

> diseases, where the body attacks itself.  Her tissues may be harboring

> unnatural junk (preservatives, synthetic hormones from chickens, etc.) and

a

> very clean, natural diet may help.  Nice building fresh vegetable juices

> usually  help everybody get healthier.



Had started to include her on my every other day juice, which she enjoys.



Sugar, refined carbs and dairy often

> deplete the immune system or clog up the system, while many herbs like

> echinacea fortify it.



Understand.  These are all foods she consumes and craves.



However, when the body attacks itself, a cleansing,

> fortifying diet probably helps the most.



I agree - perhaps I can shop a bit more for her and prepare some more foods

too (as she feels so bad sometimes she doesn't even eat all day).



> I do hope she overcomes this frightful mix.



I do too, she is a good neighbor and is becoming someone I really care

about.  I have offered her the use of my echinacea and herbs, but she has

been afraid to use them because of the drugs she is taking.



Oh well, I can buy her the l-lysine and some of the other supplements I saw

mentioned here.  They make sense and sound good and will do that.  However,

I think there are deeper things here.  Since I am not a trained healer, I

can only do the things I feel may be helpful and not hurtful to her overall

well-ness or lack of.  It is very frustrating and sad as this person is so

close to my age and should be out and about doing things in her early middle

age!



Thanks - I printed your post to take over to her.



Simple









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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster)

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 00:04:40 GMT

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"Catherine Symonds" <WCSYMONDS@prodigy.net>

> Six years ago (I was 24), when I was three months pregnant with my 2nd

> daughter, I developed shingles, and I'm convinced it was due to extreme

> stress.  It affected the left side of my face, and I still have a couple

of

> scars from it near my left eye.  At the time, I was operating a

small-scale

> piggery and gamecock farm by myself, taking care of my bed-ridden father

as

> well as a my 3-year-old, and dealing with my then-husband who was deep

into

> yet another illicit-drug binge that resulted in a great deal of

> emotional/mental upheaval for and destruction within the family.  Being

worn

> down with worries, a great deal of stress, and physical exhaustion

obviously

> lowered my resistance immensely and left my system wide open for an

"attack"

> such as shingles.



Wow!  You certainly had your share of stress, too!  As mentioned in another

post, she is under tremendous stress almost to the point where I worry about

her having suicidal thoughts!  So many things are "caving in" on her...



> My doctor couldn't prescribe the medication commonly used for shingles

> (forget the name) because there had been not studies conducted for the use

> of this product for pregnant women.  The best thing he could do was

> prescribe Vicodin, which helped tremendously with the excruciating pain,



They wouldn't give it to her because she was not within the window of 24-72

hours of symptoms.



She did get a scrip for some kind of pain drug - which she takes because of

the kind of pain this is giving her, but also it blurs her mind and she says

she can't function real well.  But it's better than the pain she says.



and

> when the blisters started to heal, I had dabbed on Listerine to speed up

the

> drying process and to help with the intense itching.



Will tell her that.



However, if I (or a

> family member) had developed shingles today, I would take not only Lysine,

> Vitamin C, and Zinc,



Have a shopping list started of some supplements from your suggestions and

others.  Also found B-12 and B-complex would most likely be helpful.



but I'd also eat lots of papaya and pineapple for their

> anti-inflammatory properties, drink teas of anti-viral herbs such as Lemon

> Balm, SJW, Licorice, Astragalus, and topically apply a mixture of vitamin

E

> and EOs (diluted) of Lemon Balm and Tea Tree to the blisters.



Will print this out for her.  I have lemon balm herb, SJW capsules, Licorice

root and Astragalus root for teas.



Have some tea tree oil to share too and vitamin E topically.



But, as it

> is, I've already had shingles and have the scars to show for it. ;o)

>

> By the way, when I started to heal from my shingles, my 3-year-old

developed

> the chicken pox, as I had half-expected she would because the herpes

zoster

> virus is the same virus as chicken pox.



She did encourage me to keep a distance as her physican told her that it was

a viral outbreak and she was contagious to others (especially children,

elders and anyone with immune suppression).



Thanks for the suggestions,



Simple









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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster)

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:46:48 -0400

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On Sun, 01 Oct 2000 00:04:40 GMT, "Busy18" <busy18@home.com> wrote:



>Will print this out for her.  I have lemon balm herb, SJW capsules, Licorice

>root and Astragalus root for teas.



Just a note on something to watch out for - I also have fibromyalgia

and a few other minor autoimmune problems and found that astragalus

(prescribed by TWO different TCM practitioners) made me MUCH sicker.

Whenever I took it I had a terrible flu-ish feeling. Weak, feverish,

spacey, achier than usual, promptly followed by catching any and every

bug that went round my husband's office. When I stopped taking it it

took several weeks for me to get back to "my normal." Sometimes

stimulating an already overactive immune system is NOT the best route

to go.



Mari





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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster)

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 00:09:18 GMT

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"John & Mari Morgan" <johnmari@gis.net> wrote in message

> Just a note on something to watch out for - I also have fibromyalgia

> and a few other minor autoimmune problems and found that astragalus

> (prescribed by TWO different TCM practitioners) made me MUCH sicker.

> Whenever I took it I had a terrible flu-ish feeling. Weak, feverish,

> spacey, achier than usual, promptly followed by catching any and every

> bug that went round my husband's office.



Gotcha.  Thanks.  When I showed LP the posts I printed out, she did say she

had tried a tincture of astragalus a month or so ago and said she felt it

made her feel worse so she stopped taking it.



When I stopped taking it it

> took several weeks for me to get back to "my normal." Sometimes

> stimulating an already overactive immune system is NOT the best route

> to go.



Aside from the obvious of rest, reduction of stress, good food and some of

the more gentle herbs like the lemon balm, what worked for you and have you

been able to help your body's immune system using any herbal or nutritional

modalities?



Seems like of late her body's house has all the doors and windows stuck open

and she's prime for whateva is going around or lying dormant and has the

opportunity to come out and run amuck...



She has used echinacea before with no adverse results, in fact helped with

some "cold" like symptoms.



So far I'm going to get her the nutritional supplements and some of the

milder herbs.



Thanks,

Simple









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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster)

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 00:12:21 GMT

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"Busy18" <busy18@home.com> wrote in message

> My dearest neighbor (of 13 years) just was diagnosed today with H. zoster.



Anyone had any success using cayenne pain preparations on the shingles

lesions?  If so did you make it or buy it?  What's the best kind.  Someone

just told me they had "a friend of a friend that told her that was something

they used and it helped".  Since I can't talk to this person, maybe some of

you out there on the NG have some experience or knowledge with this.



If I have a confirmation on this I can get it or make it for her (if you

have a recipe to share).



Thanks



Simple











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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster)

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:28:57 -0400

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   I only have seen people who have used the commercial preparation

(Zostrix, I think they call it). Last I checked, it was prescription med,

but that may have changed. What I hear from others is about 50/50. My

tentative observation is that the younger, less stressed people seem to be

able to tolerate it and benefit from it- but if you take an elderly,

thin-skinned, frail person; chronically ill and seeming to have prolonged

shingles probably worsened by stress- they seem to say that the zostrix is

painful in and of itself, and so it is of no benefit. This is not an

all-or-none thing. I'm still asking everyone I can. I expect I'll find some

spleeny younger people that it doesn't help either.

   I am interested to see whether someone has tried blending their own. The

logical thing woukld be to look at the commercial formulation and start on

the low side, work up. I did recently see a caution about capsicum oil- I

think it was when i was getting an order together to liberty natural or

whatever they are called. I wasn't ordering that anyway, so I didn't stop to

see if it was a health hazard, or rather one of the known precursors for

making illegal drugs (I can't imagine..) I am sure one could grow peppers

and make an infused oil. Has anyone tried this? I know it's a culinary

thing.

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

"Busy18" <busy18@home.com> wrote in message

news:FjvB5.45580$65.436894@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com...

> "Busy18" <busy18@home.com> wrote in message

> > My dearest neighbor (of 13 years) just was diagnosed today with H.

zoster.

>

> Anyone had any success using cayenne pain preparations on the shingles

> lesions?  If so did you make it or buy it?  What's the best kind.  Someone

> just told me they had "a friend of a friend that told her that was

something

> they used and it helped".  Since I can't talk to this person, maybe some

of

> you out there on the NG have some experience or knowledge with this.

>

> If I have a confirmation on this I can get it or make it for her (if you

> have a recipe to share).

>

> Thanks

>

> Simple

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster)

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:35:17 -0400

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On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:43:32 -0400, "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

wrote:

(regarding capsicum)

> I think the hot stuff readily goes into oil.



It does, I've made it for food use quite a bit. Makes a nice gift. :-)

One of my books suggests using 2 ounces of chopped fresh hot pepper or

1 ounce crumbled dried hot peppers per cup of vegetable oil, simmer

gently 2-3 hours, strain. Apply sparingly to skin. Wash hands with

soap after applying this, and definitely before touching any mucous

membranes! Test on relatively non-sensitive skin before using on

sensitive skin or large areas.



> I know they used to put powdered red pepper into boots to keep

>feet warm. Acts to increase circulation. I don't know the actual

>characteristics of capsaicin, but I know some people say it burns.



According to a pamphlet I have from the pain management clinic I used

to go to, it increases circulation by irritating the tissues. The body

thinks the place is damaged and sends extra blood to it the way it

does to any injury. This warms the tissue, carries away waste products

that happen to be there, and brings extra nutrients to the tissue. It

also, in some people, desensitizes nerve endings by overloading them

with sensation, and in some people provokes the release of endorphins.

(That's why some folks think food is just incomplete if it's not hot

enough to pop your eyes out! They get a lot of endorphins from the

chilies. They literally get a little bit high!) 



Mari





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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster)

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:23:03 GMT

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"John & Mari Morgan" <johnmari@gis.net> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:43:32 -0400, "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

> wrote:

> (regarding capsicum)

> > I think the hot stuff readily goes into oil.

>

> It does, I've made it for food use quite a bit. Makes a nice gift. :-)

> One of my books suggests using 2 ounces of chopped fresh hot pepper or

> 1 ounce crumbled dried hot peppers per cup of vegetable oil, simmer

> gently 2-3 hours, strain. Apply sparingly to skin. Wash hands with

> soap after applying this, and definitely before touching any mucous

> membranes! Test on relatively non-sensitive skin before using on

> sensitive skin or large areas.



I'm a little apprehensive with this (always am with new things anyhow, but

that's the learning part of new things right?).  I am definitely going to

simmer a pot of this this weekend and try it on myself first.  But if it

causes any kind of pain to my friend, oh my gosh, wouldn't that just be

awful...  Yes, definitely a test area for her and ME FIRST to see.



How 'bout this one.  I think they put the salicylic acid (aspirin) in the

store preps for this reason - what do you think?  I can infuse some willow

bark too, or maybe those echinacea seeds (they sort of numb the throat,

wonder if they'll do the skin too)  Never infused them in oil before,

usually tinctured them.  No - bet that numb-thing won't come out in the oil.

But then again I won't know unless I try.  (Boy this kitchen is going to

simmer on Saturday - hope hurricaine/tropical storms Joyce and Keith don't

decide to drop in for the weekend).



Then again the slippery elm and witch hazel might be a good addition, with

calendula and rose petals to make a nice smell and good for the skin.



Okay ya'll - you can bash me!  I get going on this and go with my gut

(course, I wouldn't infuse them all in one pot but separately and then mix

parts).  Now I'm really inspired to do this!  Maybe I'm totally off, guess

I'll see.   I'll probably end up with more than 8 different batches of

trials with this...



Any idea if the slippery elm and witch hazel will give up their properties

to an oil.



Maybe I'll make the oil into a salve, but probably oil would be easier for

her to dab.  I think I'll use sesame even though I have to simmer that

slower at a much lower heat and longer, she has them on her scalp too and

the sesame is light and good for the skin and would wash out of her hair

better than the olive oil I normally use.



And of course finish off with vitamin E oil and maybe a dash of tea tree oil

for it's antiviral, sorta numbing and itch relieving properties.



> > I know they used to put powdered red pepper into boots to keep

> >feet warm. Acts to increase circulation. I don't know the actual

> >characteristics of capsaicin, but I know some people say it burns.

>

> According to a pamphlet I have from the pain management clinic I used

> to go to, it increases circulation by irritating the tissues. The body

> thinks the place is damaged and sends extra blood to it the way it

> does to any injury. This warms the tissue, carries away waste products

> that happen to be there, and brings extra nutrients to the tissue. It

> also, in some people, desensitizes nerve endings by overloading them

> with sensation, and in some people provokes the release of endorphins.



Think this would be appropriate for the shingle symptoms?  To increase

circulation to the area and stimulate this kind of response in a person who

is so *exhausted* body wise and overly stimulated?



> (That's why some folks think food is just incomplete if it's not hot

> enough to pop your eyes out! They get a lot of endorphins from the

> chilies. They literally get a little bit high!)



Thanks

Simple









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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster)

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:51:25 -0400

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On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:23:03 GMT, "Busy18" <busy18@home.com> wrote:



>Okay ya'll - you can bash me!  I get going on this and go with my gut

>(course, I wouldn't infuse them all in one pot but separately and then mix

>parts).  Now I'm really inspired to do this!  Maybe I'm totally off, guess

>I'll see.   I'll probably end up with more than 8 different batches of

>trials with this...



STRONG suggestion - test every single one of those things individually

before you go combining them. There's nothing more annoying than

reacting negatively to a multi-component solution and not knowing

which dang thing you're reacting to!



>Any idea if the slippery elm and witch hazel will give up their properties

>to an oil.

>

>Maybe I'll make the oil into a salve, but probably oil would be easier for

>her to dab.



If you make a lotion with the oil you can use decoctions or water

infusions for the herbs that don't give up their goodies to oil as

well. Lotions are also often easier to smear around than oils, since

they're usually less drippy. There are explanations of how to make

lotion at http://www.luxurylane.com/thelibrary/recipefiles/lotion.htm

if you don't know how. Otherwise, do you perhaps have an old roll-on

bottle, like for deodorant, floating around? Those work _great_ for

applying oils. The "bingo bottles" you fill with your own ink for

marking bingo cards work well too - they are plastic bottles with a

felt or cloth pad over the mouth of the bottle, with a tight cap over

that. www.earlychildhood.com has them cheaply if you can't find them

locally. Six for two bucks or something like that.



>> According to a pamphlet I have from the pain management clinic I used

>> to go to, it increases circulation by irritating the tissues. The body

>> thinks the place is damaged and sends extra blood to it the way it

>> does to any injury. This warms the tissue, carries away waste products

>> that happen to be there, and brings extra nutrients to the tissue. It

>> also, in some people, desensitizes nerve endings by overloading them

>> with sensation, and in some people provokes the release of endorphins.

>

>Think this would be appropriate for the shingle symptoms?  To increase

>circulation to the area and stimulate this kind of response in a person who

>is so *exhausted* body wise and overly stimulated?



First, the above was general information in response to "Wakefield,"

not specific commentary on your particular situation. But... That is

why I suggested testing in a small nonsensitive area first, perhaps

with a more diluted form, to see how she reacts to it. For some people

it is appropriate, for others it's not, and depressingly, there's no

real way to tell without trying it. (Which is also why I said above to

test each ingredient separately.) She may well be one of the ones

whose nerve endings desensitize and who gets an endorphin increase

from capsaicin no matter _what_ her problem is. I have seen frail

people who anyone would swear would never be able to tolerate even the

tiniest amount slathering strong capsicum preparations on like it's

plain body lotion, and big strong healthy men whimpering because they

got a few drops on their skin.



Mari





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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster)

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:46:49 -0400

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On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:11:02 -0400, "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

wrote:



>   Do you remember the old book- 'Diet for a Small Planet'? (Francis Moore

>Lappe, 1969!!) It was orig. published with an eye to economic and

>ecologically responsibally dietary practices. Contains a lot of good ideas

>about complementing food groups. The point being that with a limited income,

>one can do a lot with eg beans and rice, etc if they have a good guidebook

>to keep them from getting out of nutritional balance. Much press has come

>thru on this topic, but this one is still a nice little source book.



"Recipes from a Small Planet" is also really useful, and not so hard

to get through with a foggy mind. :-) Might perhaps be more valuable

in this situation. I used to have both books myself, and I agree this

idea might well work well IF she has someone to help her with the

cooking when necessary. One problem with frugal eating is that it

often involves a lot more work! Busy mentioned that the lady was so

tired much of the time that she didn't even eat, much less cook. I can

really relate to that! For much of this summer I lived on "healthy"

varieties of frozen dinners (Amy's etc.) because I was too exhausted

to even cook a pot of noodles. 



Lappe's peanut-butter-honey-dry milk spread got me through a LOT of

meals though. That one's served me well for years on end. I spread it

on apple slices, celery sticks, whole grain bagels, and on really bad

days just dug a spoonful out of the darn container and ate it like a

lollipop. Use a natural peanut butter or other nut butter, although

they're far more expensive, without sugar in it (but salt helps the

taste) and the small amount of honey isn't much of a problem - adds a

lot of flavor if you use a strong wildflower honey instead of the blnd

clover honey typical to most supermarkets. (If you have problems with

hayfever, eat locally made honey. From within 10 miles if you can.

It's like an immunization for the local pollen. I was skeptical but it

helped.) If cow milk is an issue, there's powdered goat milk, or

powdered soy milk if even that's a problem, but powdered soymilk has a

lot less calcium IIRC.



The Tightwad Gazette books have a bunch of cheap, simple recipes, too,

and are a valuable-far-beyond-their-price gift for anyone living on a

limited income.



Mari

former frugality goddess :-)





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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster)

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 00:23:27 GMT

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"John & Mari Morgan" <johnmari@gis.net> wrote in message >

> "Recipes from a Small Planet" is also really useful, and not so hard

> to get through with a foggy mind. :-) Might perhaps be more valuable

> in this situation. I used to have both books myself, and I agree this

> idea might well work well IF she has someone to help her with the

> cooking when necessary.



I do try to help, but can't do it every day (shoot, I don't even cook every

day for myself and my son!).  Whenever I do, I offer.   Beans and rice and

some of the *wierd* stuff I eat just don't entice her.   She doesn't get

excited over blackened tofu or wild greens salad (mmmm).  We snack raw stuff

allot, and of course my son at 13 is the king of crap food.  He nukes hot

dogs and stuff and runs from the whole food.   I can make a meal of a

pineapple!  LP just doesn't think of eating this way.   I'm not judging at

all; everyone's different and that's what makes it interesting.



One problem with frugal eating is that it

> often involves a lot more work! Busy mentioned that the lady was so

> tired much of the time that she didn't even eat, much less cook.



Absolutely!  She can barely move from the sofa some days - and a whole day

can go by and she rests but is still so-o-o-o tired.



I can

> really relate to that! For much of this summer I lived on "healthy"

> varieties of frozen dinners (Amy's etc.) because I was too exhausted

> to even cook a pot of noodles.



That's why some days she doesn't even eat!  Usually I can help her about 3-4

evenings a week (depending on my work and parent schedule) but it is not

enough.

>

> Lappe's peanut-butter-honey-dry milk spread got me through a LOT of

> meals though. That one's served me well for years on end.



Can you post or e-mail me that recipe.  Sounds like I MAY have the stuff

around here to make it for her to try.



I spread it

> on apple slices, celery sticks, whole grain bagels, and on really bad

> days just dug a spoonful out of the darn container and ate it like a

> lollipop. Use a natural peanut butter or other nut butter, although

> they're far more expensive, without sugar in it (but salt helps the

> taste) and the small amount of honey isn't much of a problem - adds a

> lot of flavor if you use a strong wildflower honey instead of the blnd

> clover honey typical to most supermarkets. (If you have problems with

> hayfever, eat locally made honey. From within 10 miles if you can.

> It's like an immunization for the local pollen. I was skeptical but it

> helped.) If cow milk is an issue, there's powdered goat milk, or

> powdered soy milk if even that's a problem, but powdered soymilk has a

> lot less calcium IIRC.



What is IIRC?



> The Tightwad Gazette books have a bunch of cheap, simple recipes, too,

> and are a valuable-far-beyond-their-price gift for anyone living on a

> limited income.



Can those be found at the library, or is it a magazine?



Thanks

Simple









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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster)

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:35:06 -0400

--------

On Mon, 02 Oct 2000 00:23:27 GMT, "Busy18" <busy18@home.com> wrote:



>"John & Mari Morgan" <johnmari@gis.net> wrote in message >

>> Lappe's peanut-butter-honey-dry milk spread got me through a LOT of

>> meals though. That one's served me well for years on end.

>

>Can you post or e-mail me that recipe.  Sounds like I MAY have the stuff

>around here to make it for her to try.



Well, I don't really measure, I've been making it for so long. I take

a smallish jar of natural peanut butter (the fresh-ground stuff from

the health food store works fine and is sometimes cheaper) and scrape

it into a bowl. Then I stir in as much powdered milk as I can manage

and still keep it spreadable. Add a strong tasting honey to taste, and

salt to taste if the peanut butter was unsalted. Put it back into the

jar and store it in a cool, dry place (it gets too hard to spread

stored in the fridge, but if you live in a hot place you might have to

to keep it from molding - thin it out with extra honey or a little

water then).



You can make a comparatively nutritious candy out of this if you stir

in enough dry milk (half and half dry milk and wheat germ if you have

it) to make it crumbly, with a little cinnamon if you like, and then

add enough honey to stick it back together again. Make small balls and

stud each with a few carob or chocolate chips and some raisins. (There

are arguments for chocolate over carob in small quantities - for

example, chocolate contains theophylline, which is somewhat similar to

chemicals in the brain that make you feel happy.) Store these in the

fridge. It's at least a high protein, vitamin-and-mineral-laden

response to those darn sweets cravings.



>What is IIRC?



Usenet slang for If I Recall Correctly.



>> The Tightwad Gazette books have a bunch of cheap, simple recipes, too,

>> and are a valuable-far-beyond-their-price gift for anyone living on a

>> limited income.

>

>Can those be found at the library, or is it a magazine?



It used to be a newsletter (it's not published any more), but the

newsletters were collected into three books. Tightwad Gazette 1, 2,

and 3. They should be available at the library or by interlibrary loan

if your local library doesn't have it. I am no longer so poor but I

still refer to my books a LOT. Cheap, naughty suggestion - I know

several people who got their sets nearly free with those book clubs

(get X number of books for a buck plus shipping, buy one book at

regular price in the next year things).



Mari





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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster)

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:35:18 GMT

--------

Report -

Thanks again to all.



Didn't get to experiment with the infused oils this weekend as an oak tree

decided it was time to fall on my property!  Had to give it proper attention

since it had mine, for sure.



Did give LP the SJW oil and she said it helped with the pain on the lesions,

although she said was greasy and stained some things - oops.



Went to the grocery store with her last week and have some healthy choices

for her to try, more *whole* food.



Cut up and pre-prepared the veggies for her so they are easy for her.



Doesn't want any beans and rice or tofu (my main staple), but did take some

of the broiled bass filet with thyme and lemon that I made and said it was

very good (gotta go fishin' soon, was my last batch in the freezer, sigh).



Trying some of the white rice with a veggie broth (didn't want the brown,

but maybe later) that we bought bulk at the health food store.



Taking echinacea/catnip tea 3 x's a day since Thursday - no difference so

far.



Taking L-lysine, and the b complex, thinks it helps.



That's all for now - thanks for all your suggestions.  It will take us some

time to use/find out what works for her and what she is comfortable with.

Will let you know if you want how it's going.



Simple













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Subject: Re: pregnancy and aromatherapy/essential oils

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:02:44 -0400

--------

   Well, massage is- massage, and aromatherapy is- aromatherapy. I don't

think massage training needs incorporate aromatherapy training, but I

believe for the liability factor, massage-trainees should be informed that

some people believe that external application of essential oils can harm the

fetus in a preganat woman, or could possibly bring on miscarriage or labor.

I doubt this has been proven, but the unsubstantiated statement is certainly

enough to bring blame on the massage person, should anything happen. So they

need to know to avoid the chance of this. Our litigation-prone society is

just unbelievable.

"John & Mari Morgan" <johnmari@gis.net> wrote in message

news:4at9tssfmoa7fh0pfogajua6h85gqvihnv@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:25:10 GMT, "Stardanser" <jugs2@gte.net> wrote:

> (re: safe EOs for pregnant women)

> >The truth is, every massage therapist should be thaught this in school,

but

> >either they didn't care enough to pay attention or they are in one of the

> >unregulated states that does not require thier massage therapists to be

> >properly educated in the aspects of their field.

>

> My DH graduated recently from a massage school in MA for licensing in

> NH, and was taught ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about aromatherapy, essential

> oils, herbs, or anything else of that nature. That was considered way

> outside their scope of practice. Everything he knows about

> aromatherapy/EOs he got from me, and I learned what I know from a

> couple of one-day health food store classes (one hosted by a

> *expletive* MLM), a lot of books, and mountains of personal research.

> So the problem is far, far more than just the student not paying

> attention or being in an unregulated state - the schools themselves

> are often not participating in educating their students about this

> field.

>

> Mari









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Subject: Re: pregnancy and aromatherapy/essential oils

From: "Michael E. Richardson" <michaele2@home.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:46:45 GMT

--------

The Ayurveda Encyclopedia by Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha (1998) ISBN

0-9658042-2-4, http://www.ayurvedahc.com: its index has pregnancy info on

pages 70 Chyavan Prash for pregnant mothers, an antioxidant preparation, 83

Barberry, vomiting in pregnancy, 88 precaution with turmeric and myrobalan,

93 precaution against using saffron when pregnant, 103 white musali helps

during pregnancy and postpartum, nourishing fetus and increasing breast

milk, 132 mango is good for pregnancy and improves lactation, 152 molasses

builds blood, muscles, and heart, 156 do not use fenugreek when pregnant,

213 abhyanga (oil massage) is applied very carefully and gently;

traditionally used daily during pregnancy [Section 3 Therapeutics, Chapter 7

Panchakarma deals specifically with Abhyanga pages 207-247, 252 has its own

heading for aromatherapy and its uses, 510-511 preparation and conception,

lifestyle during pregnancy, and wholesome therapy during pregnancy. A very

good book! Michael

"Stardanser" <jugs2@gte.net> wrote in message

news:8wvz5.3892$jw.209707@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...

> The only essential oil that is considered safe for use during pregnancy is

> Lavender.  Although I also used Chamomile during pregnancy with no ill

> effects.

>

> Tessa, LMT

> janice <jblack@ks-usa.net> wrote in message

> news:8q0t13$otb$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> > I have just recently become aware of some of the inherent dangers of

> > using essential oils during pregnancy, as well as with many other

> > health conditions, and what appears to be a complete lack of

> > precautionary statements on product or public awareness in this

> > matter.  I would like information any of you have gathered or emails

> > from anyone else interested in pursuing this issue, related to risks,

> > stories about your experiences, litigation/legislation,

> > reputable/nonreputable manufacturers/providers, issues around

> > certification/education/consumer awareness, links to useful sites,

> > consumer activism, etc.--whatever's related.

> >

> > Thanks!!

> > Janice Black

> >

> >

> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

> > Before you buy.

>

>









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Subject: Re: pregnancy and aromatherapy/essential oils

From: Merinda Air <merinda-air@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 21:28:19 GMT

--------

Morning all,



I firmly believe that massage is beneficial during pregnancy - for both

potential parents.  I am an aromatherapist, but I don't use EOs during early

pregancy because I don't know what the oils could do to the developing foetus. 

There are no trials in this area.



My concern is not for the mother - although when I know she is pregnant I will

only use carrier oils that I feel are safe.  



EOs do not 'sit' on the skin and form a barrier they move down through to the

lower levels and again they do not just 'sit' and stagnate.  



I believe that the oils get into the bloodstream therefore will go to the

foetus.  I don't believe that we (ATs) use sufficiently high dosages to bring on

a miscarriage and I consider that some of our 'facts' are handed down from

herbalism where the products are different.  Please feel free to prove me

wrong.  I would feel quite happy for anyone to give me that proof.



If we believe that oils can alter bloodpressure (which I have my doubts) then

they must work from somewhere and it is not always in the mind.



I will maintain my cautious approach to EOs in pregnancy.  My clients are happy

that I have their and their baby's health in mind when I work with them.  Keeps

me employed!



Regards



Merinda



Wakefield wrote:

> 

>    Well, massage is- massage, and aromatherapy is- aromatherapy. I don't

> think massage training needs incorporate aromatherapy training, but I

> believe for the liability factor, massage-trainees should be informed that

> some people believe that external application of essential oils can harm the

> fetus in a preganat woman, or could possibly bring on miscarriage or labor.

> I doubt this has been proven, but the unsubstantiated statement is certainly

> enough to bring blame on the massage person, should anything happen. So they

> need to know to avoid the chance of this. Our litigation-prone society is

> just unbelievable.

> "John & Mari Morgan" <johnmari@gis.net> wrote in message

> news:4at9tssfmoa7fh0pfogajua6h85gqvihnv@4ax.com...

> > On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:25:10 GMT, "Stardanser" <jugs2@gte.net> wrote:

> > (re: safe EOs for pregnant women)

> > >The truth is, every massage therapist should be thaught this in school,

> but

> > >either they didn't care enough to pay attention or they are in one of the

> > >unregulated states that does not require thier massage therapists to be

> > >properly educated in the aspects of their field.

> >

> > My DH graduated recently from a massage school in MA for licensing in

> > NH, and was taught ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about aromatherapy, essential

> > oils, herbs, or anything else of that nature. That was considered way

> > outside their scope of practice. Everything he knows about

> > aromatherapy/EOs he got from me, and I learned what I know from a

> > couple of one-day health food store classes (one hosted by a

> > *expletive* MLM), a lot of books, and mountains of personal research.

> > So the problem is far, far more than just the student not paying

> > attention or being in an unregulated state - the schools themselves

> > are often not participating in educating their students about this

> > field.

> >

> > Mari





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Subject: Re: pregnancy and aromatherapy/essential oils

From: "Stardanser" <jugs2@gte.net>

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:11:47 GMT

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Pennyroyal is also toxic to cat (as a side-note)









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Subject: Re: pregnancy and aromatherapy/essential oils

From: "Stardanser" <jugs2@gte.net>

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:27:32 GMT

--------

>    Well, massage is- massage, and aromatherapy is- aromatherapy. I don't

> think massage training needs incorporate aromatherapy training



I beg to differ it is essential that massage therapist be trained in

aromatherapy, especially if they plan to uses scents in their lotions or

oils.  Massage therapy and aromatherapy go hand-in-hand.  One must be aware

of certain contraindications with regards to their clients safety, the

therapist should also ask client if they have allergies to certain plants

and so on so as to know which scents should be avoided with that client.  I

would advise all therapists to use oils on a per case basis and not as to

what they prefer as so many often do.

You wouldn't want to use chamomile for example with a client who is allegic

to ragweed, etc.

Aromatherapy is used in massage and proven to aid in the massage, but know

what you're doing.

As a side note -- massage therapy should be avoided in the first trimester

of a prenancy, since this is the most deicate time of the pregnancy and the

time when most miscarriages are prone to happen.



Tessa, LMT









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Subject: Re: pregnancy and aromatherapy/essential oils

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:48:19 -0600

--------

In general, gentle floral essential oils are usually okay for pregnant

mamas.  Lavender, rose, orange blossom, clarey sage, chamomile, ylang ylang,

neroli, jasmine,  as well as citruses, geranium, sandlewood, spearmint and

frankincense are all safe to use during pregnancy.  The issue beyond the

choice of essential oils is dilution.  Pregnant woman should be usiing a 1%

dilution.  That is 5-6 drops essential oil to 1 ounce carrier oil.  Always

use extreme caution during the first trimester.  Other than the oils listed

above, just don't use them.  Better safe than sorry...



Jasper



janice <jblack@ks-usa.net> wrote in message

news:8q0t13$otb$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> I have just recently become aware of some of the inherent dangers of

> using essential oils during pregnancy, as well as with many other

> health conditions, and what appears to be a complete lack of

> precautionary statements on product or public awareness in this

> matter.  I would like information any of you have gathered or emails

> from anyone else interested in pursuing this issue, related to risks,

> stories about your experiences, litigation/legislation,

> reputable/nonreputable manufacturers/providers, issues around

> certification/education/consumer awareness, links to useful sites,

> consumer activism, etc.--whatever's related.

>

> Thanks!!

> Janice Black

>

>

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

> Before you buy.

>









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Subject: Re: pregnancy and aromatherapy/essential oils

From: "Kathy" <kathy@uniquelyyoublends.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:47:05 GMT

--------

These oils should be avoided during PREGNANCY. Many of them menstrual

regulators and, while that's usually a good thing, they can cause

miscarriage:



Angelica

Arnica

Basil

Bay

Chamomile (first trimester)

Carrot Seed

Cassia

Cedarwood

Cinnamon leaf and bark

Clary Sage

Cypress

Fennel

Geranium

Jasmine

Juniper

Lavender (first trimester)

Lavender Spike (all trimesters)

Melissa

Marjoram

Myrrh

Peppermint (also contra-indicated during nursing)

Rose (first trimester)

Rosemary

Spearmint

Thyme



from Ekasha.com:

http://www.ekasha.com/category/aromatherapy/aromatherapy1.shtml



Good luck!





"MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net> wrote in message

news:0g0H5.847$Tj6.165446@news.uswest.net...

> In general, gentle floral essential oils are usually okay for pregnant

> mamas.  Lavender, rose, orange blossom, clarey sage, chamomile, ylang

ylang,

> neroli, jasmine,  as well as citruses, geranium, sandlewood, spearmint and

> frankincense are all safe to use during pregnancy.  The issue beyond the

> choice of essential oils is dilution.  Pregnant woman should be usiing a

1%

> dilution.  That is 5-6 drops essential oil to 1 ounce carrier oil.  Always

> use extreme caution during the first trimester.  Other than the oils

listed

> above, just don't use them.  Better safe than sorry...

>

> Jasper

>

> janice <jblack@ks-usa.net> wrote in message

> news:8q0t13$otb$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> > I have just recently become aware of some of the inherent dangers of

> > using essential oils during pregnancy, as well as with many other

> > health conditions, and what appears to be a complete lack of

> > precautionary statements on product or public awareness in this

> > matter.  I would like information any of you have gathered or emails

> > from anyone else interested in pursuing this issue, related to risks,

> > stories about your experiences, litigation/legislation,

> > reputable/nonreputable manufacturers/providers, issues around

> > certification/education/consumer awareness, links to useful sites,

> > consumer activism, etc.--whatever's related.

> >

> > Thanks!!

> > Janice Black

> >

> >

> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

> > Before you buy.

> >

>

>









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Subject: Re: pregnancy and aromatherapy/essential oils

From: Sherri <shescott@home.ca>

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 03:20:36 GMT

--------

I realize that there are many warnings out there about EO's and

pregnancy.  I have a little story to tell you though, it is just

something to think about, this does not mean you should stop warning

people or stop being cautious, it just simply means that common sense

prevails. 



My story, very short and sweet, is about a woman who was pregnant and is

a Certified Aromatherapist.  She accidently dropped & poured an entire

500 ml bottle of Basil on her belly.  She was paniced to say the least,

she removed as much as she possibly could as fast as she possibly could,

and then just waited.  Nothing happened.  She did not figure it would,

but of course, she did not want to find out the hard way either. 

Another point is that she continued to work in the same small area where

the oil had saturated the the counter top and the air and did not have

the slightest problem.  



This is a true story, but it just goes to tell you that you have to find

out things for yourself and always error on the side of logic & common

sense.



Happy Blending!

--------

Attachment

Card for Sherri 

shescott.vcf



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Subject: Re: yohimbe

From: "patty smith" <patty0108@home.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 02:48:00 GMT

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raises blood pressure



"Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com> wrote in message

news:8r25qn$4en$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net...

> I have read many contradictory things about yohimbe over the years and

> someone there might know of  references that could perhaps clear up some

of

> my confusion.   Is it an MAO inhibitor?   I have seen warnings about not

> using it if you have high blood pressure and other places say it lowers

> blood pressure.   Thanks for any input!

> Carolyn

>

>

>









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Subject: bidens pilosa

From: ka&g <kaalga@mpinet.net>

Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:57:02 -0400

--------

yeah, well....



all this TCM/acupuncture stuff aside...



anyone have some practical uses for spanish needles?



i mean, geez, one would suppose that their little daisy/chamomile type

flowers would have some sort of good use!!



well,  i am knee deep in them.



http://www.griffin.peachnet.edu/cssci/TURF/BIDAL.htm



me and who else??!! :)



those bidens, and passiflora vines/fruits too.





************************************************************

Nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience wisely.Auguste

Rodin



A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first

thought of.Burt Bacharach



You do not lead by hitting people over the head --- that's assault, not

leadership.Dwight D. Eisenhower









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Subject: Re: bidens pilosa

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:38:23 -0400

--------





> well,  i am knee deep in them.



>

> those bidens, and passiflora vines/fruits too.

>

Lucky person! I would love to have passiflora to play with. I haven't had

the leisure to see what zone they grow in. At the Boston Museum, they were

growing in a hothouse on the roof- and I think it grows in Jamaica, NC, Fla.

but I bet it wouldn't like Maine..Oh well, when I build my dream greenhouse-

or even get a hot-tub sunspot..at least I can grow valerian, catnip,

chamomile, and making a stab at hops. They are perennial, but haven't made

any strobiles. (It's not like I can't break down and buy them..I just love

doing it myself..)

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --









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Subject: Re: bidens pilosa

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 18:49:31 +0300

--------

ka&g <kaalga@mpinet.net> wrote:



>anyone have some practical uses for spanish needles?



Bidens do have their uses. Three species are mentioned in King's (online on my

site). We have three more over here, and I use them the same way. Nice little

plants, good little plants, impossible to have too much of them, dried, in my

jars.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland      http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: Anti-Aging Formula from Empress Ci-Xi/3

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 06:01:57 -0700

--------

nature_heals@my-deja.com wrote:



>The last Empress Ci-Xi(pronounced as "ts-she") of Qing Dynasty had a

>very healthy living in the Forbidden City because she had used various

>effective anti-aging formulae duing her throne. 



She only lived to be 73, which is NOT THAT OLD.  



Most of the longevity of the last empress can be atributed to her

willingness to kill her rivals and anyone else who would threaten

her power.  Herbs had little to do with the short lives of her

rival regents - she had them beheaded, and the death of several

members of the royal family was probably due to poison.



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: alcohal and supplements

From: heretik1211@my-deja.com

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 19:43:09 GMT

--------

   You are nudging my brain. I am SURE I have heard of one or more

mushroom varieties that do not combine well with alcohol- but I can't

remember which ones, or where I read it.. If it comes up, I will post

it.                         LW





In article <8r3gua$3vt$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,

  "eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote:

>

> eric <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message news:8r3gl7

$23q$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

> > does anyone know any supplement alchohal interactions?

> > are the mushrooms (cordy,maitake, rieshi, ect..) safe to combine

with

> > alchohal?

> > any of the herbs dangerous to combine with alcohal?

> >

> >

> >

>

>





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Subject: Re: alcohal and supplements

From: "robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:02:26 GMT

--------

Shaggy ink caps don't go with alcohol, and I think have even been used as

part of alcohol withdrawal regimes. I don't know of any other medicinal use

for them though.

--

Robyn

<heretik1211@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:8r844c$4mn$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

>    You are nudging my brain. I am SURE I have heard of one or more

> mushroom varieties that do not combine well with alcohol- but I can't

> remember which ones, or where I read it.. If it comes up, I will post

> it.                         LW

>

>

> In article <8r3gua$3vt$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,

>   "eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote:

> >

> > eric <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message news:8r3gl7

> $23q$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

> > > does anyone know any supplement alchohal interactions?

> > > are the mushrooms (cordy,maitake, rieshi, ect..) safe to combine

> with

> > > alchohal?

> > > any of the herbs dangerous to combine with alcohal?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

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Subject: Re: homeopathy

From: heretik1211@my-deja.com

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 19:52:19 GMT

--------

   While I do not generally subscribe to the principles of homeopathy

(some of the remedies do work, tho)- I will pop in here and say-

      'healing' energy- ya know, like 'the life force'?

The 'whateveritis' that works against entropy and causes cells to

divide, bones to knit, plants to grow etc etc etc. You suggested heat,

magnetism, electricity. Consider also gravitation, nuclear energy...

the 'whateveritis' may be influenced by all those, but not constrained

by them, nor caused by them. It could be equally well considered the

grace of God, or the energy embodied by the first smile of a child, or

a gentle kiss.

   Now, as to whether or not this energy is indeed constrained to be

within an infinitely diluted homeopathic remedy- well, that's another

story. Some people think it is, and in the thinking, may make it so.

   And that's mother wakefield's quantum of bs for this thread..

                                        LW



In article <8r5ed5$5jb$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,

  "eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote:

> what type of energy?

> heat?

> magnetism?

> electricty?

>

> ma pickle <mapickle@teleport.com> wrote in message

> news:Gyxz5.26324$Rt3.1430161@nntp2.onemain.com...

> > >>well, if they dont contain any of the contained substance what do

they

> > contain?

> >

> > they contain the energy of the substance.

> >

> >

>

>





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Subject: Question Regarding Vinpocetine

From: retep_57@my-deja.com

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:06:22 GMT

--------

I have been looking to buy some Vinpoceine but can't locate it at my

local CVS. Does this drug go by another name or names that would allow

me to locate it. Any help would be appreciated.



Peter





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Subject: Re: Question Regarding Vinpocetine

From: roseann4357@my-deja.com

Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:55:43 GMT

--------

In article <8r85ft$5j5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,

  retep_57@my-deja.com wrote:

> I have been looking to buy some Vinpoceine but can't locate it at my

> local CVS. Does this drug go by another name or names that would allow

> me to locate it. Any help would be appreciated.

>

> Peter

>

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>

You can mail order vinpocetine from L& H Vitamins. 1-800-221-1152.

Brand name Amerifit.





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Subject: pasiflora

From: "Jewelweed Soap" <nature@edge.net>

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:04:02 -0500

--------

Lucky person! I would love to have passiflora to play with. I haven't had

the leisure to see what zone they grow in.



Its a Southeastern plant mostly, abundant KY and southward. Easy to fill up

the truck in less than an hour and leave plenty for Mother Nature to

regenerate. Grows in ditches, old fields, sides of woods, even found some in

a parking lot at fairgrounds.



--

Karen Shelton

Manchester, TN

Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

http://altnature.com











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Subject: Herb Website

From: "enGe" <princess@saverainforestnet.zzn.com>

Date: 02 Oct 2000 01:25:47 GMT

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Can anyone post some good herb urls?



--

Im so   high  i even touch the  sky





animal world

http://www.scv.net/~deadangl

Race for The Big Cats

http://bigcats.care2.com/welcome?w=268468950





Race for The Rainforrest

http://rainforest.care2.com/welcome?w=359601809









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Subject: Re: Herb Website

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:35:02 -0400

--------

On 02 Oct 2000 01:25:47 GMT, "enGe"

<princess@saverainforestnet.zzn.com> wrote:



>Can anyone post some good herb urls?



If you wait another week or two the FAQs will be posted again and it's

loaded with them.



If you tell us what you're interested in specifically you might get

better results as well. 



Mari





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Subject: shitake mushroom recipes

From: "eric" <errock@rcn.com>

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:15:11 -0400

--------

i find shitake mushrooms tastes like bad, anyone know any good recipes? or a

better place to ask?











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Subject: Re: shitake mushroom recipes

From: "Wubba" <wendy@SPAMFOOLERcountrytraditions.com>

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:03:37 -0400

--------



eric <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message news:8ra2kg$ncj$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

i find shitake mushrooms tastes like bad, anyone know any good recipes? or a

better place to ask?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Eric,poor boy!!!!!!

From what source are you getting your shiitake?



I have a Shiitake mushroom log that is on it's second batch of "srooms...and

they are soooo tasty!!!



I just sauteed mine in real butter,with slivered onions over t-bone steaks,

from our side of beef..... H-E-A-V-E-N !!!!!



Wendy Hannum

Owner (soon to offer Shiitake Innoculated Mushroom logs!!)

~Authentic Country Traditions~

www.countrytraditions.com

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Subject: Re: shitake mushroom recipes

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:35:17 -0400

--------

On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:03:37 -0400, "Wubba"

<wendy@SPAMFOOLERcountrytraditions.com> wrote:



>eric <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message news:8ra2kg$ncj$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

>i find shitake mushrooms tastes like bad, anyone know any good recipes? or a

>better place to ask?

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Eric,poor boy!!!!!!

>From what source are you getting your shiitake?

>

>I have a Shiitake mushroom log that is on it's second batch of "srooms...and

>they are soooo tasty!!!



I think this may be a matter of taste. I am a mushroom fiend (one of

my favorite dinners when wild mushrooms go on sale is just a big

plateful of 'em sauteed in butter and wine, with some crusty bread)

but I absolutely hate shiitakes. I've had them both fresh and

rehydrated but I just can't stand 'em. They taste awful! I eat them

because they're good for me, but I chop them up _very_ finely and hide

them in with other mushrooms in a well-seasoned soup or casserole.



Mari





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Subject: Re: shitake mushroom recipes

From: "eric" <errock@rcn.com>

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:12:23 -0400

--------

yeah, i know right.

cremis are good, whites are good,

what else might i like?









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Subject: Re: shitake mushroom recipes

From: rjk3 <rjk3@my-deja.com>

Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:55:19 GMT

--------

In article <8rc1of$rfn$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,

  "eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote:

> yeah, i know right.

> cremis are good, whites are good,

> what else might i like?

>

>

Try salt to draw out some of the liquid (and bitter flavor?) from

shiitakes.   Some mushrooms taste better if you put some water and salt

in a pan, on high heat, add the mushrooms, and stir them up for a minute

or two, then discard the water and add oil, onions, etc.



Some chinese recipes call for marinating in soy sauce with sugar.  Same

thing, but then sugar is areligious issue for some people.....





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Subject: Re: shitake mushroom recipes

From: haele_d@my-deja.com

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 03:29:48 GMT

--------

In article <8rc1of$rfn$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,

  "eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote:

> yeah, i know right.

> cremis are good, whites are good,

> what else might i like?

>

>



Portibello...:)  the stuffing mushroom...



Haele



(homemade pesto : basil, dried or fried roma tomato (diced very fine),

olive oil, a bit of white wine, 1 crushed garlic clove, a pinch of

ground brown mustardseed and nutmeg...)





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Subject: Re: shitake mushroom recipes

From: "caljet" <tjnimmo@pacbell.net>

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:23:23 -0700

--------

Portabellas are a favorite around here, especially baked with basil pesto

and cheese on top.  Vegan pizza, yummy!

Caljet

--

If space is a vacuum, who changes the bags?

--anonymous



"eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message

news:8rc1of$rfn$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

> yeah, i know right.

> cremis are good, whites are good,

> what else might i like?

>

>

>









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Subject: St. John's and SAMe

From: rachthird@aol.com (RachThird)

Date: 02 Oct 2000 14:08:13 GMT

--------

I have been enjoying St. John's Wort for several years now and would like to

try SAMe for the joint and liver benefits.



Since both of these products are mood altering substances, would combining them

be OK or not?



Thanks for any advice or experience,



Rach





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Subject: Re: St. John's and SAMe

From: "Rose" <roseherr@stargate.net>

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:55:42 -0400

--------

Does anyone have any suggestions for transferring from prescription SSRI's

to SAMe. Can you simply stop one and begin the other?

"Jewelweed Soap" <nature@edge.net> wrote in message

news:sti7ivd54ajda0@corp.supernews.com...

> SAM-e will do its thing within a week as far as mood..I take it and don't

> need the SJW anymore. Info and opinions on both these at my web site, we

do

> not sell them.

> Karen Shelton

> Manchester, TN

> Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

> http://altnature.com

>

> "RachThird" <rachthird@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:20001002100813.04855.00000187@ng-fn1.aol.com...

> > I have been enjoying St. John's Wort for several years now and would

like

> to

> > try SAMe for the joint and liver benefits.

> >

> > Since both of these products are mood altering substances, would

combining

> them

> > be OK or not?

> >

> > Thanks for any advice or experience,

> >

> > Rach

>

>









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Subject: Re: St. John's and SAMe

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:51:19 -0400

--------

On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:55:42 -0400, "Rose" <roseherr@stargate.net>

wrote:



>Does anyone have any suggestions for transferring from prescription SSRI's

>to SAMe. Can you simply stop one and begin the other?



I don't know about SAMe (never been able to afford that heinous

price!), but when I switched from an SSRI to SJW I was told to taper

the the SSRI down over 2 weeks by cutting the dosage in half and then

in half again. Take a week's break, and start the SJW at half dosage

for a week, then go up to the normal dosage. I think I take the same

care with SAMe.



Mari





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Subject: Re: St. John's and SAMe

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 04:51:30 GMT

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>try SAMe for the joint and liver benefits.



Take lots of B vitamins.  SAMe eats them.

The body makes SAMe when you are eating properly.  Why not just provide your

body with nutrition and allow it to make it naturally.



>I have been enjoying St. John's Wort 



The same Vitamins would help the reason that you are enjoying this.  If you

have to "take" something.  Take the St. John's wort.



Oakwell





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Subject: St. John's and SAMe

From: rachthird@aol.com (RachThird)

Date: 13 Oct 2000 23:29:00 GMT

--------

Is St. John's Wort and SAMe a good combination or a bad combination?  I've been

taking SJW for years and would like to experiment with the joint and liver

benefits of SAMe.



rach







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Subject: Re: St. John's and SAMe

From: "MS" <marshmallow5@yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:10:02 GMT

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SJW and SAMe may be (directly or indirectly) working on the same

neurotransmitters. For example when people combine antidepressants or SJW

and a pharmaceutical antidepressant, they sometimes develop mania, and other

times a serotonin syndrome. If you feel the need to combine them, I would

try with very small doses at 1st. But SJW works really well all by itself.



Another possibility you might consider is a vitamin B supplement with SJW.

One study showed that a vitamin B supplement + antidepressant was more

effective than the antidepressant by itself. See the abstract below:



Vitamin B1, B2, and B6 augmentation of tricyclic antidepressant treatment in

geriatric depression with cognitive dysfunction.

Bell IR, Edman JS, Morrow FD, Marby DW, Perrone G, Kayne HL, Greenwald M,

Cole JO

J Am Coll Nutr 1992 Apr 11:2 159-63



Abstract: This was a 4-week randomized placebo-controlled double-blind study

to assess augmentation of open tricyclic antidepressant treatment with 10 mg

each of vitamins B1, B2, and B6 in 14 geriatric inpatients with depression.

The active vitamin group demonstrated significantly better B2 and B6 status

on enzyme activity coefficients and trends toward greater improvement in

scores on ratings of depression and congnitive function, as well as in serum

nortriptyline levels compared with placebo-treated subjects (Ss). Without

specific supplementation, B12 levels increased in Ss receiving B1/B2/B6 and

decreased in placebo Ss. These findings offer preliminary support for

further investigation of B complex vitamin augmentation in the treatment of

geriatric depression.















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Subject: Re: St. John's and SAMe

From: rachthird@aol.com (RachThird)

Date: 30 Oct 2000 13:12:04 GMT

--------

Thank you.  If you you come across the doctors name, please send it to me.



Rach





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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster) (long, sorry)

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:35:04 -0400

--------

On Mon, 02 Oct 2000 00:09:18 GMT, "Busy18" <busy18@home.com> wrote:



>Aside from the obvious of rest, reduction of stress, good food and some of

>the more gentle herbs like the lemon balm, what worked for you and have you

>been able to help your body's immune system using any herbal or nutritional

>modalities?



I do not use lemon balm because of its antithyroid properties (my

fibro' seems to have much to do with hypothyroidism) - as far as I'm

personally concerned, no one should use lemon balm more than once in a

great while without having their thyroid status evaluated. Low-grade

hypothyroidism is SO common that further stifling the thyroid isn't a

good idea until the thyroid has been proven to be able to handle it.

TSH should be lower than 2, not the 4.5 or more than many labs

consider "normal." (I have recently found out that kelp is a double

edged sword as far as the thyroid is concerned, and that too much

iodine - very easy to do with supplemental iodine, and the amount

differs for everyone - can further suppress thyroid function, so I

have stopped taking kelp.)



When I get flu-like symptoms, that's a signal to me that my immune

system is overstimulated and I need to do something to bring it down.

(Some people actually use immunosuppressant drugs like cyclosporin!) I

prefer to use adaptogens like ginseng (_small_ doses!) and withania

aka ashwaganda. I've been pleased with my response to withania when I

have the flu-ishness. If ginseng is too overstimulating, codonopsis is

milder, I have heard. I do not use stimulants such as caffeine or

ephedra - the short term benefit is not worth the long-term damage,

tempting as that boost may be. I eat as much garlic as I can (not a

problem, yum yum - roasted garlic on toast!) plus taking Garlitrin

garlic tablets as a systemic tonic. I eat a lot of oats, too, as they

are also gently tonic and antidepressant. And cheap. :-) I am trying

to decide whether to try oral St John's Wort again, for its

mood-stabilizing, analgesic, antiviral (by the way, one of my herb

books recommends it specifically for shingles) properties.



High quality sleep is _crucial_ as far as I'm concerned. More

important than anything else. I rotate between several sedative herbs

- linden, passionflower, skullcap, valerian, etc. - so I don't build

tolerance to any particular one. (If she is prone to depression _do

not use hops_. It aggravates it something fierce. I ran into this the

other night after not using hops for several months, and forgot that a

lowered mood was a contraindication. I was nearly suicidal that night.

Scary.) I also like to use aromatherapy; I use a blend of lavender,

clary sage, and lemon in a diffuser in my bedroom. If nothing else it

smells really nice. :-) Not only does improving sleep help with the

extraordinary fatigue and mood weirdnesses, but deep sleep is when the

body repairs itself.



I am working with a MD who has a heavily holistic orientation. About

three weeks ago I began using extremely high dose injectable vitamin

B12 (5000 mcg 3x/week) for the fatigue with some pretty impressive

results. I'd say I had about a 15% increase in energy and it seems to

be cumulative. I am lacking in the enzyme type thing that allows me to

process oral B12 and have been on low-dose shots for years. I have

also been switched from Synthroid to Armour Desiccated Thyroid, which

has multiple hormones instead of just one. Tomorrow I start with a

mind-body therapist for pain and fatigue management... I'm hoping to

improve my meditation technique and try again with hypnotherapy. I am

waiting for approval from my insurance company for a particular

physical therapist my doctor knows, as I would like to try

craniosacral work and some electrical therapy.



I did try a topical cayenne preparation (Capzasin, from the drugstore)

for pain and found it not worth the additional pain it caused! It felt

like a very bad sunburn. I wouldn't call me "spleeny" even though I'm

not quite 30 yet. :-) I don't do so well with counterirritants in

general though. Stuff like Ben-Gay feels like I've been dipped in

liquid fire. Topically I've used crampbark, arnica, and St John's Wort

with a little success - more so when I used the latter two as strongly

infused oils with massage. (My husband is a massage therapist and so I

get massage when I can tolerate it, but even self-massage helps.)



By the way, a possibly stupid question - does she have any hobbies,

anything that she _can_ do that makes her happy? I've found that

distraction is one of the best ways I can handle serious pain and the

lead-bones exhaustion. Better than any herb or vitamin going. If she

doesn't, maybe you could help her find something she would enjoy. Does

she have an internet connection? Many companies _give away_ their

outdated computers to needy people and many areas have free internet

service (look at www.freeinternet.com for example). It's saved my

sanity quite a few times to have this connection to the outside world.

When I've been especially sick I move the computer next to my bed and

surf from there!



Hope this helps.



Mari





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Subject: Re: Shingles (Herpes zoster) (long, sorry)

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:51:23 -0400

--------

On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 01:01:14 GMT, "Busy18" <busy18@home.com> wrote:



>Which ginseng do you use?



Um, lemme think. It's been a while, I much prefer the withania. I keep

wanting to say Kyolic, but I think that's garlic. It was a blend of

the three different types, Korean, American, and Siberian (eleuthero).



>Yes!  Oats we have and are using both in the tummy and as a skin wash.  Will

>use in a tub eventually but she feels to week to tub right now, so she's

>trying oat-water and eating oats.



Try footbaths. I found them very comforting when I was too weak to

climb in and out of the tub - I used them with aromatherapy

preparations meant for tub baths, and enjoyed myself immensely. I put

a dishpan in the tub under the faucet and sat on the shower seat I

picked up at a yard sale (one of the best purchases I ever made, but

an upturned 5 gallon bucket with a folded towel on top as a cushion

worked too). Read a magazine and soaked my feet, and then when I was

done I could just tip the basin over and leave it.



>I have some standardized SJW I could give to her for trial.  She is on some

>antidepressants though, so I haven't offered thus far.



I would really not mix SJW and antidepressants. Call me a nervous old

biddy if you like. :-)



>> High quality sleep is _crucial_ as far as I'm concerned. More

>> important than anything else.

>

>She is tolerant to most of the most delicate effective herbs she claims, and

>takes a cocktail of Exedrin PM, some pain med (?) her MD prescribed, and if

>it's really bad, a xanax!.  Then, she can rest, otherwise she states the

>pain is so bad she can't even think of sleep.



Yep, I know what she means about the pain being so bad she can't

sleep. Xanax isn't the best possible drug for sleep, that stifles

delta sleep which is going to make things worse. Excedrin PM, if I

remember right, is diphenydramine and acetominophen, and remember that

a steady use of acetominophen is toxic to the liver and kidneys. Look

for something with diphenhydramine alone if there's nothing else that

gets her to sleep. It should be available generic, check the

antihistamines. But she should really discuss this further with her

doctor as there are far safer alternatives even for chemical drugs. If

she can take the pain medication on a firm schedule, it works a lot

better than just taking it as needed. The dopeyness is less of a

problem because you generally need less, since it doesn't need to

break through a high pain level.



If there are prescription drugs she cannot afford, she needs to

contact the manufacturers. Almost every drug manufacturer has programs

to provide medications for reduced prices or free to people who need

them and cannot afford them. 



>Oh, now that sounds interesting.  I have B-12 sublingual and B-complex on

>order for her - but maybe that won't be enough.  Will mention the

>injections, maybe those would be more therapeutic and she can discuss with

>her MD.



Do some research online for "B12" and "fatigue" - it's a treatment

used for chronic fatigue syndrome (which IMO is the same damn thing as

fibromyalgia, I've been dx'ed with both alternately depending on which

symptom is foremost) with some amazing results for the fatigue. 



>> Tomorrow I start with a

>> mind-body therapist for pain and fatigue management... I'm hoping to

>> improve my meditation technique and try again with hypnotherapy. I am

>> waiting for approval from my insurance company for a particular

>> physical therapist my doctor knows, as I would like to try

>> craniosacral work and some electrical therapy.

>

>That sounds like a wonderful plan for sure!  LP at this point will not have

>those options as she had no insurance, but I did print out some info from a

>site that had quite a bit of self-teach on visualization/meditation.



Check with local massage schools and physical therapy training

programs - she may be able to "guinea-pig" for them for free and get

some of the bodywork she needs. Your local Independent Living Center

may have recommendations for how she might be able to get in with an

experienced therapist who could help her for free. When I got sick I

didn't have insurance either, and if I knew then what I know now I'll

bet I wouldn't be sick now.



>I have SJW oil! (oh goody) that I was thinking of for topical use?  It's a

>lovely potent oil that an herby in VT trades me for my organic ginger root

>(hey what about ginger - isn't that good for pain?  I know she says it

>upsets her stomach but maybe topically, hmmm) who makes it herself.  It's a

>deep red color.  I cannot convince SJW to grow for me here in FL.  I've only

>used this precious oil in the past as an ingredient in my salve; but you

>used it just straight?  Put on areas of outbreak and/or itching and pain?



I've never used ginger topically, although I include ginger essential

oil in my "arthritis stick" - I don't see why you couldn't try it,

maybe as a poultice or fomentation. Test it on nonsensitive skin

first, of course. It might be a little TOO warming! But yes, I just

slapped that SJW oil on straight (and also mixed with oil infused with

arnica), wherever it hurt. 



The "arthritis stick" (since I know you're gonna ask :-)) is SJW oil

and arnica oil firmed up with beeswax and cocoa butter to make it

about the texture of stick deodorant, with essential oils good for

muscle and joint pain added. I need to keep a few secrets :-) but tops

on the list were rosemary, clove, ginger, and eucalyptus. I put it in

a deodorant container for ease of application, as I do all my salves

and things - I hate salve-sticky fingers!



Mari







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Subject: Re: favorite brand of garlic

From: garlicgr@pond.com (The Tetrad)

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:17:59 GMT

--------

 "eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote:



>> hey, what brand of garlic does everyone like?



Mine.  After all my awards at the Harvest Show, it *is* the best there is! ;-D



>> or is there a way to prepare it that doesnt burn your stomch and tonogue?



If you want the benefits of raw, you can always freeze the cloves and then 

just take them out and eat it.  You can also chop it up and mix it with a 

strong tasting juice like orange or cranberry.  I've also folded it into 

mashed potatoes or bread to get those "up to 6 raw cloves/day" Penelope Ody 

recommends when you have a cold or infection coming on.



Roasting garlic takes the burn out -- it's quite a mellow taste.  I'm not sure 

how it changes the healing properties, but if you buy local organic stock, it 

should have lots of nutrients to spare so that you can roast it by the head! 

:-D





Dinara, the Garlic QUEEN*

Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!        <*>



*Philadelphia Harvest Show 2000 results:



Horticultural Excellence Award: Garlic, Single Variety

Horticultural Excellence Award & Best of Show Runner-Up: Garlic Basket, 10 Varieties

Community Garden Sweepstakes Award: Most Blue Ribbons Won by a Community Garden





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Subject: Re: favorite brand of garlic

From: "rkaufman" <kaufmnsl@sprynet.com>

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:25:05 -0400

--------

Garlic mashed potatos are also good, just throw the cloves in the food

processor (or blender) with a  little olive oil, and dump in the potatos

with enough liquid to keep it moist enough.



The Tetrad <garlicgr@pond.com> wrote in message

news:HI8C5.3758$mC.233809@monger.newsread.com...

> "eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote:

>

> >> hey, what brand of garlic does everyone like?

>

> Mine.  After all my awards at the Harvest Show, it *is* the best there is!

;-D

>

> >> or is there a way to prepare it that doesnt burn your stomch and

tonogue?

>

> If you want the benefits of raw, you can always freeze the cloves and then

> just take them out and eat it.  You can also chop it up and mix it with a

> strong tasting juice like orange or cranberry.  I've also folded it into

> mashed potatoes or bread to get those "up to 6 raw cloves/day" Penelope

Ody

> recommends when you have a cold or infection coming on.

>

> Roasting garlic takes the burn out -- it's quite a mellow taste.  I'm not

sure

> how it changes the healing properties, but if you buy local organic stock,

it

> should have lots of nutrients to spare so that you can roast it by the

head!

> :-D

>

>

> Dinara, the Garlic QUEEN*

> Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!        <*>

>

> *Philadelphia Harvest Show 2000 results:

>

> Horticultural Excellence Award: Garlic, Single Variety

> Horticultural Excellence Award & Best of Show Runner-Up: Garlic Basket, 10

Varieties

> Community Garden Sweepstakes Award: Most Blue Ribbons Won by a Community

Garden









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Subject: Re: favorite brand of garlic

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:51:18 -0400

--------



Posted only to alt.folklore.herbs, I dislike crossposting.



On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:44:31 -0400, "eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote:



>> hey, what brand of garlic does everyone like?



For pill form, I like Garlitrin 4000 from PhytoPharmica for its

concentration and its nonstinkiness. Fewer pills to take. For fresh

garlic, I get whatever's on sale at the grocery store. I use both.



>> or is there a way to prepare it that doesnt burn your stomch and tonogue?



Lots of ways. You can roast heads whole and serve them smeared on

bread, mashed into potatoes, or just use them in most places you'd use

regular garlic. (A little weird in stir-fry though.) It becomes very

mellow and sweet. Spanish garlic soup is also not fiery - put a

handful of peeled garlic cloves into a pint of chicken broth and

simmer gently until the garlic is _very_ soft. Puree, season to taste,

and eat. I like to add a little Parmesan cheese and dunk good bread in

it. The secret, I've found, is cooking it slowly and gently, and it

becomes very sweet. Raw garlic gives me heartburn, so I don't use it.

I just use extra cooked garlic (oh, the misery) and the pills to make

up for it.



Mari





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Subject: Re: favorite brand of garlic

From: garlicgr@pond.com (The Tetrad)

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:27:39 GMT

--------

 johnmari@gis.net wrote:



> For fresh

>garlic, I get whatever's on sale at the grocery store. I use both.



Philistine! ;-)  Buy local from your friendly neighborhood grower -- the 

quality will be better and you can get more varieites.  The stuff in the 

grocery store is either California Early or California Late -- softneck 

varieties that have been so mangled by conventional farming methods that if 

they don't get their irrigation fix every day, their leaves start shriveling 

(not to mention that the taste is bland!)



Locally grown (the only type generally available as hardneck garlics like 

cooler weather than is found in Gilroy, CA) hardneck (rocambole) garlic is 

more robust (both as a plant and in flavor), the cloves are larger and easier 

to peel and the flavors are vastly superior! :-)



Support your local growers and buy local (usually organically produced as 

garlic doesn't have a lot of pest problems) garlic! :-D



Sorry for any insult.  For reasons noted in my sig, I'm rather biased on 

garlic! ;-D



Dinara, the Garlic QUEEN*

Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!        <*>



*Philadelphia Harvest Show 2000 results:



Horticultural Excellence Award: Garlic, Single Variety

Horticultural Excellence Award & Best of Show Runner-Up: Garlic Basket, 10 Varieties

Community Garden Sweepstakes Award: Most Blue Ribbons Won by a Community Garden





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Subject: Re: favorite brand of garlic

From: "Paul  Groves" <paul.groves@oucs.ox.ac.uk>

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:12:57 +0100

--------



"eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message

news:8rb7gk$ktm$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

>

> eric <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message

news:8rb7bl$jrs$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

> > hey, what brand of garlic does everyone like?



Organic from our local box scheme



> > or is there a way to prepare it that doesnt burn your stomch and

tonogue?



Cook it slowly



Paul









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Subject: Re: favorite brand of garlic

From: "Faye" <crabtreeridge@mindspring.com>

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:11:10 -0500

--------

>eric <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message

news:8rb7bl$jrs$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

>> hey, what brand of garlic does everyone like?

>> or is there a way to prepare it that doesnt burn your stomch and

tonogue?





What my daddy (age 81) grows is the very best!  He calls it "wild

Tennessee garlic" and he found the starts for his in the edge of the

woods.  It creates huge bulbs and the flavor is just perfect.



I peel, clean, then chop a number of cloves in a small food

processor.  Put the chopped garlic in a small jar and cover with

good quality olive oil.  Keep it in the refrigerator and when you

need to use garlic for cooking soups, vegetables, making garlic

bread, etc., just spoon it out.  This is a great time saver also.

The garlic is ready when you need it.  After using this method,

you'll never use that powdered garlic stuff in the jars ever again!



Faye in the green hills of Tennessee

Live lightly on the land

................................

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http://www.TheRidgeView.com/news/natural.htm











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Subject: Re: Seek suggestions hoarseness

From: "herbzandspices" <demetria@vermontel.net>

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:17:41 -0400

--------

Try an infusion of sage and thyme or

licorice and mints

Good luck I am sure you will find lots of nice answers here.

demetria

http://www.demetria.com/herbalcourse

"HerbAssist" <herbassist@aol.com> wrote in message

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> >I am seeking suggestions for my mother's hoarseness. She has been

> >hoarse for about 6 mos. The ear, nose, throat dr examined her and

> >stated one vocal cord was not functioning, does not have growth (has

> >never used tobacco).She is elderly but in relatively good health. The

> >dr could offer no explanation other than a virus, she has not had a

> >stroke. His only solution was surgery. Any suggestions appreciated.

>

> I like sipping on a weak tea of sage and licorice root.









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Subject: foods for cancer prevention

From: "eric" <errock@rcn.com>

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:09:58 -0400

--------

hey guys, which foods have promise for preventing cancer, specifically, i

know fruits and vegatables, but which in particular?











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Subject: Re: foods for cancer prevention

From: banmilk <banmilk@my-deja.com>

Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 07:47:37 GMT

--------

In article <8rc1jv$r2q$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,

  "eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote:

> hey guys, which foods have promise for preventing cancer,

specifically, i

> know fruits and vegatables, but which in particular?

>

>

  Avoiding all dairy products is the best cancer preventer!



  http://www.hungerstrike.com/experts.html



  Robert Cohen has some interesting stats on his site at:



  http://www.notmilk.com





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Subject: Re: foods for cancer prevention

From: "J Stutzmann" <stutz@fgni.invalid>

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:36:40 -0500

--------

Check out the nutrition center at the Mayo Clinic Health Oasis at:



www.mayohealth.org



They have info on cancer healthy meal plans.



--



--------------------------

None will improve your lot if you yourself do not.

- Bertolt Brecht, 1933





eric <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message news:8rc1jv$r2q$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

> hey guys, which foods have promise for preventing cancer, specifically, i

> know fruits and vegatables, but which in particular?

>

>

>









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Subject: herbs for homeostatis?

From: "eric" <errock@rcn.com>

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:11:05 -0400

--------

I adaptogens are touted as helping one achieve homeostatis, but as far as i

know, most act in the opposite way,

what do you guys think?











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ulcers

From: "aurora" <aurora@aurora1.com>

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:49:33 +0800

--------

Hi ,

I am new to this group , here is my problem.



My Dad has had some severe vascular restrictions to his feet fixed , but has

ulcers on this toes. They are black , like frostbite and some are full of

pus. He is in great pain with them and cannot walk because of them. The

ulcers are on the tips of his toes . The doctors are saying simply to keep

them dry and apply antiseptic powder. This leaves the shin dry and hard to

the touch ----- I feel there is a quite a lot of pressure beneath the shin ,

especially under the nails and that the pus should be removed , so that they

may heal naturally.



Any Ideas ??? A poultice maybe ---of what ???



Thanks



Mike --Perth Australia









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Subject: Re: Ulcers

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 04:42:22 GMT

--------

> They are black , like frostbite and some are full of

>pus. 



>The

>ulcers are on the tips of his toes 



My Mom had this.  Gangrene with ulcers.

We put a drawing salve ( Plantain) on the ulcers and wrapped the whole leg with

cotton.  Then made a tea of Slippery Elm and Marshmallow.  Put Mom in a lounge

chair (Feet up) with plastic under the legs and poured the tea over the cotton,

 keeping it wet with this healing tea.  The tea did not interfer with the

salve.  After three days the black started to go away and when the ulcers had

scabbed over,  we changed to a healing salve (BF&C stands for Bones, Flesh and

Cartledge.  Heals the flesh fast.)  With in 10 days it was back to baby pink

with no sores.  

Oakwell



Good luck





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Subject: Re: Did anyone have problems with Valerain Root

From: <tania@mysticnaturals.com>

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 06:32:56 -0400

--------

Adding some eucalyptus to the steam should help - also good for killing the

sinus infection.



Valarian has never bothered my sinuses either.



--

--------------------------------------------------

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http://www.mysticnaturals.com







"N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote in message

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>

>

> What you're describing sounds like maybe you're brewing a sinus infection.

> Getting over a cold, and then getting sick again right away with face pain

> is the way I have usually had them.  Maybe a trip to the doctor is in

order.

>

> While you wait to see the doc you can try taking a decongestant, and

> breathing some steam to see if you can get the sinuses to drain. Putting a

> hot pack over the tender place on your cheek might help ease it as well.

> And of course the usual things you would do for a cold, vitamin C and

> echinacea and lots of hot fluids.  Anyway, these are some things that

> sometimes will work for me.  Hope you feel better soon.











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Subject: Re: Did anyone have problems with Valerain Root

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 05:58:11 -0700

--------

maxz1 <maxz1@early.com> wrote:



>I started taking Valerain Root Extract ( equivalent to 1000mg at bed

>time) about 2 weeks ago , and have had stuffiness about the same time.

>This seemed to get alittle better but now came back , seems like my

>mucous membranes may be infected. It hurts  right bellow my nose on the

>cheek part , when I push in on it alittle bit. 



You might be allergic to it, but that symptomm is usually a sinus

inflammation, clogging, or infection.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Did anyone have problems with Valerain Root

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 05:58:27 -0700

--------

"N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote:



>

>Hi Max -

>

>The chief problem I have with Valerian is that it tastes like old socks

>marinating in fetid swamp water - 

  It tastes THAT GOOD? 





Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Did anyone have problems with Valerain Root

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:53:35 -0400

--------

On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:45:29 -0600, maxz1 <maxz1@early.com> wrote:



>I started taking Valerain Root Extract ( equivalent to 1000mg at bed

>time) about 2 weeks ago , and have had stuffiness about the same time.

>This seemed to get alittle better but now came back , seems like my

>mucous membranes may be infected. It hurts  right bellow my nose on the

>cheek part , when I push in on it alittle bit. Did anyone have this

>problem with it ? Or is it most likely something else doing it , just

>wanted to check with others on it. maxz1



I never had sinus problems with valerian - sounds like you might be

getting a sinus infection, actually, and I've had _plenty_ of those.

When you bend over and put your head lower than your torso, does it

feel like someone's hit you in the face with a sledgehammer? Others

have given you good advice on handling a sinus infection. What I _did_

get from using valerian every night for a couple of weeks was both

tolerance to its sedating effects and a strange jitteriness and

agitation during the day, which stopped as soon as I stopped taking it

every night. I can take it once or twice a week without these effects,

so I rotate it with other herbs.



Like Nancy, I think it tastes like dirty socks and swampwater (I can't

even drink it as a tea without gagging - I take a tincture in a LOT of

juice). What IS it with medicinal herbs tasting/smelling like the

mailman's used wool socks, anyway? Hops do, I think, and crampbark

definitely does. The last time I brought some home from the herb store

my husband grumbled because the car stank for three days from a 15

minute drive with crampbark in the car.



Mari





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Subject: Re: Did anyone have problems with Valerain Root

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 03:57:15 -0700

--------

maxz1 <maxz1@early.com> wrote:



>Yes it does sound like I have a sinus infection hurt to , I need to go to

>the doctors.  I don't like taking antibiotics because of getting use to them



Try taking echinacea AND any one of the following - Thyme, Myrrh,

or Barberry.  They are antibactrial and excreted through the

mucous membranes, so they end up being delivered right to the

sinuses that need them.



Drink LOTS of water.



Also, camphor crystals, crushed in water, left to sit and the

water used in a steam bath - inhale the fumes ... it makes your 

body start producing a much thinnner mucous and the sinuses drain

easier.  









Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Did anyone have problems with Valerain Root

From: Linda N <lindan@worldshare.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:00:09 GMT

--------

In article <vdnotsk5ijf9oep9v2l8pgs97r5mfgvmm6@4ax.com>,

  Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> maxz1 <maxz1@early.com> wrote:

>

> >Yes it does sound like I have a sinus infection hurt to , I need to

go to

> >the doctors.  I don't like taking antibiotics because of getting use

to them

>

> Try taking echinacea AND any one of the following - Thyme, Myrrh,

> or Barberry.  They are antibactrial and excreted through the

> mucous membranes, so they end up being delivered right to the

> sinuses that need them.



I concur, except that there was a study recently done by the Mayo

Clinic that concluded that the majority of sinus infections are caused

by fungi, not bacteria, and antibiotics don't work for fungal infections

or viruses. Only bacteria. (I've come across this information in at

least 2 health oriented lists on the internet so far and if I

thought the subject was going to come up again, I would have saved

the posts.) Myrrh is particularly anti-fungal, but all the

anti-infective herbs that Tsu Dho Nimh suggests to use with echinacea

will also help no matter what the infective agent.



Linda N

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Subject: Re: Did anyone have problems with Valerain Root

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:05:35 GMT

--------



"maxz1" <maxz1@early.com> wrote in message

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> They do smell really bad ,



Sorry, the family cat doesn't agree with any of us...

(grin)

She thinks it smells a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y fabulous, just SO wonderful it

makes her crazy as a kitten.



Have to keep my valerian well out of *cat's* way...













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Subject: Re: Did anyone have problems with Valerain Root

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:26:00 -0700

--------

>>>> They do smell really bad ,



Sorry, the family cat doesn't agree with any of us...

(grin)



I too have a cat who loves valerian. When I take the tincture he comes and

nuzzles me. I have to keep the dry root in a glass jar or he will open the

cabinet and pull out the bag.









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Subject: herbal antipsychotics

From: "eric" <errock@rcn.com>

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:30:45 -0400

--------

hey guys, are there any herbs that can treat psychosis or delussion, or

assit convention treatment?

thank you











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Subject: Re: herbal antipsychotics

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 23:27:02 -0700

--------



Hi Eric -



I actually did find a reference for an 'herbal antipsychotic', at:

http://www.appi.org/ajp/jul97/imagepsy.html



You might also find it interesting to read a page on how improving nutrition

can help mental illness:

http://www.orthomed.org/pauling.htm



Could you tell us a little more about the condition you're looking for

information on?  Psychosis can be present in both bipolar disorder and in

schizophrenia, for example, and those two illnesses might be treated quite

differently.



Of course, it's very important for the person in question to keep on

whatever antipsychotic they're already on, and let their doctor know what

kind of herbal or other natural/alternative treatment they're planning.

Herbs and psychoactive medication can sometimes interact in interesting and

not necessarily pleasant ways.



Hope this helps,



Nancy





"eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message

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> hey guys, are there any herbs that can treat psychosis or delussion, or

> assit convention treatment?

> thank you

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: herbal antipsychotics

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:59:29 -0400

--------

boyoboy- that is an old one. I'll have to dig back into the books to see

what replaced it. I think the thorazine/mellaril group was the next wave. I

think rauwolfia messed with Blood Pressure. I'll have to look it up. It was

nonetheless quite the miracle drug of its time.

--



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refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

"N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote in message

news:fkzD5.19854$F65.1267998@nntp2.onemain.com...

>

> Hi Eric -

>

> I actually did find a reference for an 'herbal antipsychotic', at:

> http://www.appi.org/ajp/jul97/imagepsy.html

>

> You might also find it interesting to read a page on how improving

nutrition

> can help mental illness:

> http://www.orthomed.org/pauling.htm

>

> Could you tell us a little more about the condition you're looking for

> information on?  Psychosis can be present in both bipolar disorder and in

> schizophrenia, for example, and those two illnesses might be treated quite

> differently.

>

> Of course, it's very important for the person in question to keep on

> whatever antipsychotic they're already on, and let their doctor know what

> kind of herbal or other natural/alternative treatment they're planning.

> Herbs and psychoactive medication can sometimes interact in interesting

and

> not necessarily pleasant ways.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Nancy

>

>

> "eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message

> news:8rfmss$qa9$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

> > hey guys, are there any herbs that can treat psychosis or delussion, or

> > assit convention treatment?

> > thank you

> >

> >

> >

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal antipsychotics

From: Mary Wigginton <maryw@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:27:56 -0500

--------

I also am looking for an herbal antipsychotic. My family member is too

paranoid to take prescription medication. Any help would be greatly

appreciated.

                               Mary          maryw@mindspring.com



eric wrote:



> hey guys, are there any herbs that can treat psychosis or delussion, or

> assit convention treatment?

> thank you







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Subject: Re: Contemporary Herbal Reference Books?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 04 Oct 2000 19:38:55 GMT

--------

In article <39D4EC64.99083E01@excite.com>, Corbin <gryffin1@excite.com> writes:



>anyone

>have any recomendations? Ideally, they would have medicinal/chemical

>properties listed.

>



Because there has been a boom in Herbal publishing over the past 10 years, you

shouldn't have any trouble finding such a book. The FAQs list several. The PDR

mentioned elsewhere, the German Monographs from the Commission E (the PDR is

mostly pulled from this material), CRC's herbal titles, popular works such as

Michael Murray's Healing Power of Herbs.



If you're just looking for a quick reference, Murray's book is less expensive

than the textbooks listed above. List price is $15.95.



There's a number of works on specific herbs or school of medicine, such as

traditional Chinese medicine, that contain this information.



Are you looking for anything in particular or just a general work?





Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Re: Contemporary Herbal Reference Books?

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 04:59:45 GMT

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>hrtbology books 



>something more contemporary/recent than Grieve



I have a couple that you might like.

THE SCIENTIFIC VALIDATION OF HERBAL MEDICINE by Daniel B Mowrey, Ph.D 1986

Keats Publishing



HERBS OF CHOICE by Varro E. Tyler, Phd 1994  Pharmaceutical Products Press



Any thing by Varro Tyler is HOT right now.



Oakwell





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Subject: Re: Contemporary Herbal Reference Books?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:53:18 +0300

--------

oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb) wrote:



>HERBS OF CHOICE by Varro E. Tyler, Phd 1994  Pharmaceutical Products Press

>Any thing by Varro Tyler is HOT right now.



And completely unreliable. Read this: http://www.teleport.com/~jonno/Tyler.html

to find out why real herbalists don't read Tyler.



There's a list of good books in the medicinal herbfaq, part 7 (see my .sig).



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: too much echinacea

From: magick_circle@my-deja.com

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:17:23 GMT

--------

Hello to all.

  What is the amount of time recommended to take echinacea for?  I know

that one doesn't just continually take it. Any adivce would be greatly

appreciated.   Thank you.

J.





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Subject: Re: too much echinacea

From: "robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:01:41 GMT

--------

What are you taking it for? If as an immunity booster, then in my

experience, the Echinaceas do most when you start taking them at the very

start of an infection. If you are already taking them, then you don't get

that boost when you need it. So take it when you need it and stop when you

don't - after a couple of weeks or so, or as soon as you feel better. I know

plenty people do take Echinacea preparations continually or all winter  -

and i don't think that actually does any harm - it's just a bit wasteful.



--

Robyn



<magick_circle@my-deja.com> wrote in message

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> Hello to all.

>   What is the amount of time recommended to take echinacea for?  I know

> that one doesn't just continually take it. Any adivce would be greatly

> appreciated.   Thank you.

> J.

>

>

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

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Subject: Re: too much echinacea

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 04 Oct 2000 22:16:38 GMT

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>What is the amount of time recommended to take echinacea for?



If it doesn't solve the problem in 5 days then give up and save your money for

something else. Be sure you are taking a high enough dose.



Belinda









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Subject: Re: too much echinacea

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:54:59 +0300

--------

bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs) wrote:



>>What is the amount of time recommended to take echinacea for?

>

>If it doesn't solve the problem in 5 days then give up and save your money for

>something else. Be sure you are taking a high enough dose.



That's not necessarily true. Be sure to take small doses often enough. Three

drops every half hour is more effective than a larger dose 1-3 times a day.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: too much echinacea

From: "Kathy" <kathy@uniquelyyoublends.com>

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:07:04 GMT

--------

Hey J.



I've read several times now (Prevention magazine the last time) to take it

two weeks then stop for two weeks if you're trying to boost your immune

system.  I take it during the waxing moon and lay off during the waning.



Kathy Ohlerking

kathy@uniquelyyoublends.com

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products.  Visit Uniquely You at

www.uniquelyyoublends.com!~



<magick_circle@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:8rg38b$i2n$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Hello to all.

>   What is the amount of time recommended to take echinacea for?  I know

> that one doesn't just continually take it. Any adivce would be greatly

> appreciated.   Thank you.

> J.

>

>

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

> Before you buy.









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Subject: Re: too much echinacea

From: mouser <gmouser@iamnow.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:13:44 -0400

--------

I noticed a few disturbing things in this thread. Pills, powder, BUY!

Echinacea (purpurea at least) is one of the EASIEST herbs to grow. I

started about 8 years ago with 3 plants I divided and saved the seeds at

the end of the year. I am now harvesting my fourth 3rd year crop of

about 100 plants, with another 100 plants+/- in years 1 and 2. All from

those first 3 plants.

Now I know you all don't have room for 300 plants of one type, but it

only takes a few roots to make a TINCTURE. I made a 1/2 gal using cheap

100 proof vodka cost - $12.00 US. It's Oct and I still have a pint left.



I use it EVERYDAY to keep my immune system up and have had one cold (one

year I got lazy and stop taking it in the spring). The first couple of

years I made it from the herb, the last 3 year from the roots.

18 Plants should do it, 6 plants / year x 3 years, and can be grown in

less then a 4'x4' area.



Send me an Email and I'll send you the seeds



mouser







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: too much echinacea

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 01:45:08 GMT

--------

"mouser" <gmouser@iamnow.net> wrote in message

news:39DD0B26.18CD7228@iamnow.net...

> I noticed a few disturbing things in this thread. Pills, powder, BUY!

> Echinacea (purpurea at least) is one of the EASIEST herbs to grow.



I agree.  The E. purpurea spp grows for just about anyone anywhere and is a

very beautiful plant.



I

> started about 8 years ago with 3 plants I divided and saved the seeds at

> the end of the year. I am now harvesting my fourth 3rd year crop of

> about 100 plants, with another 100 plants+/- in years 1 and 2. All from

> those first 3 plants.



I still have the "mother" of all my E. purpurea.  She is about the same age

as your original three - and ALL her children have helped my family, friends

and neighbors.  Always give away seeds and volunteers to interested locals.



> Now I know you all don't have room for 300 plants of one type, but it

> only takes a few roots to make a TINCTURE. I made a 1/2 gal using cheap

> 100 proof vodka cost - $12.00 US. It's Oct and I still have a pint left.



I have them tucked all over the place on my property.   They don't like deep

shade - that's about the only thing I've noticed.  The volunteers that come

up in the grass even do well without the good garden soil and care!  Hardy

plant, fer sure.



My best friend grows them in pots as she doesn't have the luxury of having a

property to plant them.  They do great for her.  She put them in very large

plastic nursery pots - the kind they use for small trees.  They have come up

for her for the past two years and when she harvests the roots next time,

it'll be a lot easier than digging them out of the garden - lucky gal.



> I use it EVERYDAY to keep my immune system up and have had one cold (one

> year I got lazy and stop taking it in the spring). The first couple of

> years I made it from the herb, the last 3 year from the roots.

> 18 Plants should do it, 6 plants / year x 3 years, and can be grown in

> less then a 4'x4' area.



I don't use everyday.  We use it as we need it - but if I ever did would use

*herb* (not root) as infusion - tea.   Just a personal preference....



BTW - the tincture is a wonder helper for bee stings and wierd bug bites -

really helps with the inflammation from the venom and stuff (use it a lot

for the fire ants down here).  If you get stung by one and get the tincture

on as a small compress within a short time, no blisters!  Truly a

respectable, healing, helpful plant for us.  Have used it on wasp/hornet/bee

stings too with same results.  Even chewed fresh leaves and used as quickie

application - still works pretty good that way too.  Oh yeah - works with

spider bites too.



I agree that more people who use it *should* try to grow it - it really is a

hardy and easy plant; besides being beautiful when it's blooming.  The

flowers have a delicate sweet fragrance I truly enjoy.  I have such an

abundance when they bloom I bring them in as cut flowers!  Mmm, just an all

around nice plant, can't eva be without it.



Simple









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Subject: Re: too much echinacea

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:35:21 +0000

--------

Personally, I stopped reading Prevention magazine

about the time Robert Rodale was killed in a car accident

while in Russia....



If you're interested in reading some well-researched info on

echinacea, see if you can find a copy of Paul Bergner's

"The Healing Power of Echinacea & Goldenseal and

Other Immune System Herbs." He's the editor of the

Medical Herbalism newsletter (you can find info on them

on the web by doing a search)....



Also, if you're looking to "boost" your immune system,

rather than deal with an acute infection kind of situation,

you'd be better off looking to adaptogenic herbs such

as Siberian Ginseng (Eleutheroccoccus senticosus), Astragalus

membraneous, Schisandra and others. These herbs can

help build up the body's immune reserves. Echinacea does

not work this way.



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



Kathy wrote:



> I've read several times now (Prevention magazine the last time) to take it

> two weeks then stop for two weeks if you're trying to boost your immune

> system.  I take it during the waxing moon and lay off during the waning.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: too much echinacea

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage ( MoJo JoJo)

Date: 06 Oct 2000 14:50:00 GMT

--------

In article <cW%C5.38910$g6.15544998@news2.rdc2.tx.home.com>, "Kathy"

<kathy@uniquelyyoublends.com> writes:



>Hey J.

>

>I've read several times now (Prevention magazine the last time) to take it

>two weeks then stop for two weeks if you're trying to boost your immune

>system.  I take it during the waxing moon and lay off during the waning.

>

>Kathy Ohlerking



Thats a smart way to do it. (-_-) Easy to remember to if you are into "witchy"

things. <grin>



Peace,

~*Jo*~





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Subject: Re: too much echinacea

From: johnkbut@aol.com (JOHNKBUT)

Date: 07 Oct 2000 15:41:03 GMT

--------

I understand that if you take the pills you should only take for a period of

ten continuous days, then at least three weeks without before you take a

further dose.



Hope this is helpful



Rosie





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: too much echinacea

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 21:54:05 GMT

--------



<magick_circle@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:8rg38b$i2n$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Hello to all.

>   What is the amount of time recommended to take echinacea for?  I know

> that one doesn't just continually take it. Any adivce would be greatly

> appreciated.   Thank you.

> J.



Was told once by Herbalist B. Mars that one could use echinacea every single

day IF taken as an herb (leaves & tops) infusion, usual 1 oz dry, 2 oz

fresh:1 quart boiling water.  The tinctures and other tinkered with forms

are as most of the other posters have recommended.



Simple













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: George Washington Was Killed by His Doctors

From: magick_circle@my-deja.com

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:20:36 GMT

--------

George Washington died because he had a disease that, in that time

period, was treated by blood letting.  All diseases at that time were

thought to be cured if enough blood was drained from the body.  Well,

his doctors drained like 7 pints from him!  No wonder he died!  HThis

is because of bloodletting, an ancient medicinal practice.  Since then,

doctors now know (at least most), not to drain your blood out when you

have an infection.

Cheers,

J.



In article <8rcm7p$lns$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,

  nature_heals@my-deja.com wrote:

> Ever since George Washington's doctors killed him with their

> prescriptions (No kidding: Medical and Physical Journal, London, 1800.

> Volume 3, page 409), people have been seeking LESS HARMFUL treatments

> than conventional medicine has offered.

>

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

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>





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Looking for alternative

From: David Somner <dave@htxtech.com>

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:10:45 -0400

--------

Hello!



I'm looking for something natural that either:

(a) contains Modafinil (Modasomil, Provigil, Alertec)

or (b) acts exactly like Modafinil (Modasomil, Provigil, Alertec)



Thanks,

--Dave

(dave@htxtech.com)





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Looking for alternative

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:58:45 +0300

--------

David Somner <dave@htxtech.com> wrote:



>I'm looking for something natural that either:

>(a) contains Modafinil (Modasomil, Provigil, Alertec)

>or (b) acts exactly like Modafinil (Modasomil, Provigil, Alertec)



You won't find herbs that contain prescription meds or that work like

prescription meds.

Herbalists check for causes and complete pictures and do something about those.

We don't just give you a herb instead of a med. We ask "what's your problem?",

not "what's your meds?". 



So, do you have a good herbalist in your neck of the wood? Visit him/her.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Intestinal Cleansing...

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 05:03:27 GMT

--------

> but I'm looking for some

>teas that we can have, as well.



Stinging Nettle is great for this and can be refreshing.



There are other teas that are just as great but it is an aquired taste.  No

honey or sugar



Oakwell





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Arthritis

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 05:06:03 GMT

--------

>Are there any herbs that help relieve arthritic pain?



Nettle tea is great for arthritic pain.  > 

MSM is organic sulfer found in the onion family.  There is more of it in garlic

than plain onion but the whole family has MSM.



Oakwell







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: question

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 05:20:28 GMT

--------

>can anyone tell me what herbs are useful to use for depression apart from St

>johns Wart??? My hubby suffers mildly from manic depression and I would like

>to try herbal recipes before we turn to the hard core chemical solutions !!!

>

>

>

>

>

Clean up his liver.  Feelings are chemicals created by the body.  With all the

junk the liver has to put up with just to keep us alive, it doesn't always get

rid of all of our chemicals.  If we make it healthy again,  When we are angry

at the driver ahead of us, the liver will turn that chemical into bile. 

Suggest something with Milk Thistle or Barberry in it.  Check with a health

food store in your area.



Oakwell







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: question

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 06 Oct 2000 00:49:24 GMT

--------

>Clean up his liver. 



OK  oakwell, I've seen you post this a couple of times. What makes you think

the liver is dirty? Or are you one of these folks who figures everything in the

body is dirty.



Belinda







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Req herbal remedies for high blood pressure and/or diabeties

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 05:22:31 GMT

--------

>Subject: Req herbal remedies for high blood pressure and/or diabeties



Clean up the liver.  You can bring your blood pressure down in a few months

with a couple bottle of Milk Thistle or a barberry combination.  As for the

diabetes,  I am learning about something very interesting connecting a virus

with the pancrease.  We are experimenting with this as we speak.



Oakwell





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: skullcap

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 05:25:02 GMT

--------

>contraindictions skullcap,



Like any nervine, it can be over done.  Use as directed only.



Oakwell





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: skullcap

From: heretik1211@my-deja.com

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 01:12:01 GMT

--------

   And I reiterate (tho I do not myself use skullcap- but the principle

is the same for any plant)- if you can positively identify it and/or

grow it yourself, then you do not have to deal with this bs. Go slowly

and carefully; do not be led into harms' way.   L. Wakefield





In article <39DC941C.B9DD93A3@mpinet.net>,

  ka&g <kaalga@mpinet.net> wrote:

>

>

> Greg Cannon wrote:

>

> > hi can anyone tell me what contraindictions skullcap, specifically

pink

> > skullcap, scutellaria suffretescens i think, has? thank you

> > greg

>

> i couldnt find much on suffretescens. do you mean sculletaria

lateriflora?

>

> anyway,

> this bit revolves around the actual use of a plant other than skullcap

> (mistaken--or intentionally wrong, as the case may be-- identity)

>

> this issue of 'mistaken identity' in itself is something to keep in

mind

> when purchasing herbal remedies concocted by fly-by-night operations.

> especially (ahem) OVERSEAS ones.

>

> even big companies have been known to make mistakes (be they

intentional or

> not) in the past. let's *hope* that the quality control is up to par

now

> for those of us who still occasionally purchase herbals and other

> nutritional supplements from large manufacturers today. myself, i use

> solaray and nature's way regularly, but am leaning toward attempting

to

> make my own or grow my own for the herbs i use most often. (except for

> cranberry. i can't grow that so gotta buy it.)

>

> "A patient developed serious liver and pulmonary disease over a six

month

> period while taking three types of herbal medicines: BFC, Bowel Tonic

and

> Nervine. Each herbal preparation was taken as 0.5 teaspoon three

times a

> day for 6 days a week. Along with seven other herbs, Comfrey root (6

parts

> in 27) and Skullcap (1 part in 27) were present in the BFC. After

> discontinuing the herbs, the patient's condition improved over six

months,

> with liver function tests and chest X-ray returning to normal after 4

> months.18

>

> A forty-nine year old woman presented with liver damage (diagnosed by

liver

> function tests and biopsy) on two separate occasions, 2 years apart,

after

> taking a herbal preparation containing Kelp (Fucus vesiculosus),

Motherwort

> (Leonurus cardiaca), Skullcap and Mistletoe (Viscum album). The

Mistletoe

> was the suspected cause of the hepatitis.19,20

>

> Four women sustained liver damage after taking herbal medicines

(Kalms,

> Neurelax) sold in health food stores for relieving stress. In three

of the

> four cases the onset of liver damage occurred rapidly after the herbal

> medicine was used. These preparations contain Valerian, Asafoetida

(Ferula

> assafoetida), Hops and Gentian. Prior to October 1984, Kalms contained

> Skullcap. ****However, an investigation of herbal medicines available

in

> the UK discovered Skullcap available from wholesalers was not a

Scutellaria

> spp.21 In fact, a species of Germander (T. canadense) is often

substituted

> for Skullcap, and was probably the cause of hepatotoxicity for

formulations

> reportedly containing Skullcap, such as those described in the above

three

> paragraphs.****"

>

> also:

>

> "(1/17/2000) MEDSCAPE Nurse's Drug Alert reports that a 28-year-old

man

> started self-treatment of mild multiple sclerosis with zinc and 2

herbal

> remedies (6 tablets/day skullcap [scutellaria] and an unspecified

amount of

> pau d'arco [tabebuia]) 6 months before presenting with jaundice

During the

> following 5 weeks, the patient's condition progressively deteriorated

and

> he died shortly after receiving a liver transplant. Histopathological

> examination of the liver revealed veno-occlusive disease and hepatic

> necrosis.

>

> Herbs containing pyrrolizidine alkaloids are among the few known

causes of

> hepatic veno-occlusive disease. Although skullcap has been associated

with

> hepatotoxicity, neither skullcap nor pau d'arco are reported to

contain

> pyrrolizidine alkaloids. Also, products labeled as skullcap sometimes

> actually contain germander (teucrium), a product that is known to

cause

> severe hepatotoxicity. In the absence of another plausible

explanation, it

> appears that the patient's skullcap was contaminated with a substance

> containing pyrrolizidine alkaloids."

>

> and this is from one of henriette's faq's :

>

> "Scutellaria, aka Skullcap is not dangerous.

>

> However, it has been adulterated with Germander (Teucrium sp.) for

decades,

>

> if not centuries; though that matters a great deal qualitywise it has

no

> implications on toxicity as long as only the 'mercans did it, as the

> 'mercan species of Teucrium do not contain toxic pyrrolizidine

alkaloids.

>

> (((is 'mercans "americans" ?)))

>

> Again HOWEVER, then the Europeans thought "Hmmm, that's a great idea,

money

>

> for nothing, chicks for free", (sorry, got carried away). So they

imported

> Scutellaria from America and added their local -European- Teucrium

species

> to it. Then they re-exported the mix to the folks on the other side

of the

> pond... there is a very big problem with quality here, AND in this

case

> there is a problem with toxicity. The European species of Teucrium do

> contain toxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids. So it's not good for your

liver to

> buy your skullcap from sources you do not trust, like the -really-

large

> herbal houses; THEY ALL DO IT.

>

> To get them to stop it you'll have to ask your suppliers where they

got

> their skullcap from. If they bought it, ask them where from; ask them

to

> ask -their- supplier(s) where from... if it's one of the big houses

ask

> them to PROVE that there is no Teucrium in that there Scutellaria.

>

> Perhaps, if enough of us do this, we'll have unadulterated

Scutellaria in

> another couple of decades."

>

> -----------------------------------------

>

> here is what michael moore says:

>

> SCUTELLARIA (Skullcap)

> Any pain, myalgia, neuralgia from spinal or peripheral nerve

irritability

> but without organic causes; hyperfunctions of skin nerves and CNS end

> organs; sciatica, neuritis shingles; lessens surface irritability to

> acupuncture, TNS, massage and even spinal adjustments; nocturnal

> neuropathies, choreas, and seizures where overt drug treatment might

be an

> excess.

>

> HERB. Tincture  [Fresh Plant, 1:2, Recent Dry Plant, 1:5, 50% alcohol]

> 20-60 drops to 3x a day.

>

> CONTRA: With other drug depressants or where a stronger approach is

needed;

> can anesthetize lips, fingers, toes.

> -----------------------------------------

>

> more info:

>

> http://www.teleport.com/~huritt/page1.html

>

> http://www.medherb.com/ADVERSE.HTM

>

>

http://www.nutritionfocus.com/nutrition_supplementation/herbs/Skullcap.h

tml#11

>

> ************************************************************

> Nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience wisely.Auguste

Rodin

>

> A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first

thought

> of.Burt Bacharach

>

> You do not lead by hitting people over the head --- that's assault,

not

> leadership.Dwight D. Eisenhower

>

>





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Subject: Re: grape seed extract

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 05:31:33 GMT

--------

> varicose veins



Next summer eat all the natural violet flowers that come up in your yard.  They

contain Rutin and Dr. James Duke says that they will help this condition.



Oakwell





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 05:37:07 GMT

--------

>Need info on growing stevia indoors to overwinter it.  Also need advice on

>how

>to harvest, prepare and use it.  I know it to be  natural sweetner and it

>greew

>well in a pot outdoors for the summer...but winters can be brutal on plants

>indoors here in Minnesota. 



I don't know, I have a jungle in Wisconsin indoors.  My citrus plants do very

well and produce all winter long.  



I use Stevia leaves.  Dry the leaves and just crumble them into anything.  I

put it in baked apples along with raisins 



Oakwell





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:23:29 GMT

--------



"Oakwelherb" <oakwelherb@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20001005013707.19102.00000467@ng-fb1.aol.com...

> >Need info on growing stevia indoors to overwinter it.  Also need advice

on

> >how

> >to harvest, prepare and use it.  I know it to be  natural sweetner and it

> >greew

> >well in a pot outdoors for the summer...but winters can be brutal on

plants

> >indoors here in Minnesota.



Mine grows outside all year long here in S/Central FL.  It dies back twice a

year though (really smart plant - once in the dead heat of the summer and

again in the dryest, coolest (can't really say cold ya know) part of the

winter/spring).



It is a perennial not an annual; treat it like any other delicate one up

there and see.  Don't think it will handle your winters without some help

and shelter from you - it's somewhat tropical in it's taste of climate.  It

likes humidity and moisture when it's green and growing (lots of organic

matter in the soil to hold moisture) but don't drown it, doesn't like

that...



Use fresh or leaves dry well and quickly.  Crumble and use.  VERY sweet!

(almost TOO sweet).  I found using the fresh leaves in cooking sort of makes

a wierd sweet flavor, so I avoid that now.  Have heard other folks use it

fresh, though.  I use it dried for everything these days just coz I'm lazy

and have it in the house harvested and clean ready to go.



The kids like to nibble on mine when its growing and they are out there

helping with the gardening chores (those rare times when I'm either very

lucky to have the help, or am very *mean* and insist on it - depends on

their mood).



Simple









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dissolving Kidney Stones - HELP

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 05:39:29 GMT

--------

Hydrangia is great for this according to all the herbalists I have studied

with.  Make a tea of the root and have 4 cups a day.



Dr. Christopher suggested massaging the feet while working on this.



Hanna Kroeger suggested laying at the bottom of the steps with you head down

until they are a little dissolved.  Let gravity help the pain.



Oakwell





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: How best to prepare these herbs?

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 05:44:09 GMT

--------

Wow!  You are doing a lot of nervines.  Herbs were originally taken as teas but

we have put them into capsules because a lot of them taste, "God Awful" to

quote my daughter.  



I teach classes about how to use herbs.  We make tinctures, tonics, salves,

teas, decoctions and anything else we have time for.



How would you like to take these?



Perhaps the question would be,  Do you want them to be good for a long period

of time?  If so, tinctures are the best.  They keep the herb's working

properties good for 

10 or more years whereas bulk herbs do loose their potency.



Oakwell





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: neem, boxwood

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 05:45:29 GMT

--------

> neem tree extract?



This is great for many things.  I like to use it for keeping bugs away.  But

that is just one use



Oakwell





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: KAVA KAVA ROOT

From: "enGe" <miss420@whale-mail.com>

Date: 05 Oct 2000 05:46:03 GMT

--------

my mum bought capsules of kava kava root i was wondering what it uses are

medcinally and magickly?





--

Welcome to Europe

Im Disgusting!



Fire deters from death, for the dream of our death

Under a pledge of secrecy, the night will fall into water

Under the veil of secrecy, we will join together again

on the verge of tears before long: the sky will dive into water.



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Subject: Re: KAVA KAVA ROOT

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 23:02:16 -0700

--------



Hiya Angel -



Kava is a nervine, meaning it has a calming effect.  People often use it to

treat stress.  My naturopath also gave me some to try to lower my blood

pressure.



I asked a friend about magickal uses (I'm not really into that end of

things) but she didn't know any.



Hope this helps,



Nancy







"enGe" <miss420@whale-mail.com> wrote in message

news:8rh4ir$m1m@dispatch.concentric.net...

> my mum bought capsules of kava kava root i was wondering what it uses are

> medcinally and magickly?

>

>

> --

> Welcome to Europe

> Im Disgusting!

>

> Fire deters from death, for the dream of our death

> Under a pledge of secrecy, the night will fall into water

> Under the veil of secrecy, we will join together again

> on the verge of tears before long: the sky will dive into water.

>

> Animal world

> http://www.scv.net/~deadangl

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: KAVA KAVA ROOT

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 18:18:27 -0400

--------

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 23:02:16 -0700, "N. Katherine Wolfe"

<nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote:



>I asked a friend about magickal uses (I'm not really into that end of

>things) but she didn't know any.



Scott Cunningham's _Encyclopedia of Magical Herbs_ (2000 edition) says

a kava infusion is used in Polynesia as a drink to invite good luck

and fend off evil, and generally to enhance psychic powers and

visions.



Mari





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: KAVA KAVA ROOT

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 21:49:54 GMT

--------



"John & Mari Morgan" <johnmari@gis.net> wrote in message

news:56hutskpjtnag6c22t24qscjehnpj61p2k@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 23:02:16 -0700, "N. Katherine Wolfe"

> <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote:

>

> >I asked a friend about magickal uses (I'm not really into that end of

> >things) but she didn't know any.

>

> Scott Cunningham's _Encyclopedia of Magical Herbs_ (2000 edition) says

> a kava infusion is used in Polynesia as a drink to invite good luck

> and fend off evil, and generally to enhance psychic powers and

> visions.

>

> Mari



There was also an article about 2-3 years ago in Herbalgram about the

traditional uses of Kava-Kava with bibliography.  Apparently from what I can

remember, the use of this plant was quite ritualistic and ceremonial by the

People of Polynesia...



You can check the American Botanical Council site and see which back issue

it is.

http://www.herbalgram.org



Simple









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: black cohosh side effects

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 05:53:36 GMT

--------

>Everything I've looked at says black cohosh is very safe and

>only mention GI problems at high dosages.  



Varrow Tyler in his book HERBS OF CHOICE states, " Administration of the drug

sometimes causes stomach upsets: otherwise, no problems or contraindications

have been reported."  He also suggests use should be limited to no longer than

six months.



There are many herbs that do the same thing the Black Cohosh does.  I like to

alternate.  You don't eat chicken every meal, why would you take the same herb

every day?



Oakwell





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: black cohosh side effects

From: "Rose" <roseherr@stargate.net>

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:36:16 -0400

--------

Some women take it daily to help regulate hormone levels.

I have heard reports of women getting headaches from black cohosh which are

eliminated by reducing the dosage.

Incidentally, it grows wild around here as is absolutely enchanting when in

bloom!

Rose



"Oakwelherb" <oakwelherb@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20001005015336.19102.00000471@ng-fb1.aol.com...

> >Everything I've looked at says black cohosh is very safe and

> >only mention GI problems at high dosages.

>

> Varrow Tyler in his book HERBS OF CHOICE states, " Administration of the

drug

> sometimes causes stomach upsets: otherwise, no problems or

contraindications

> have been reported."  He also suggests use should be limited to no longer

than

> six months.

>

> There are many herbs that do the same thing the Black Cohosh does.  I like

to

> alternate.  You don't eat chicken every meal, why would you take the same

herb

> every day?

>

> Oakwell









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: black cohosh side effects

From: lindan@worldshare.net

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:46:21 GMT

--------

In article <20001005015336.19102.00000471@ng-fb1.aol.com>,

  oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb) wrote:

> >Everything I've looked at says black cohosh is very safe and

> >only mention GI problems at high dosages.

>

> Varrow Tyler in his book HERBS OF CHOICE states, " Administration of

the drug

> sometimes causes stomach upsets: otherwise, no problems or

contraindications

> have been reported."  He also suggests use should be limited to no

longer than

> six months.



According to Michael Murray, N.D. in "The Enclyclopedia Of Natural

Medicine the six months limit on the use of Black Cohosh was based on

the German E. Commission report prior to detailed toxicology studies.

The recommendation may also have been made simply because that is the

standard recommendation for hormone replacement therapy (Although I have

yet to meet a doctor's who prescripes HRT to limit it to six months!

Shows they probably don't know any better.)



Anyway I quote from "The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine" pg. 641,



"Detailed toxicology studies have also been preformed on Remifemin. [my

note: a brand name standardized Black Cohosh product.]  No birth defect

inducing (teratogenic, mutagenic, or carcenogenic effects have been

noted.  The dosage that showed no effect in a six month chronic toxicity

study in rats was a 1,800 mg/kg body weight--roughly ninety times the

therapeutic dose. A six month toxicological study in rats is comparable

to an unlimted treatment time in humans.



What all this toxicology data means is that long-term use, or even

indefinite use, of cimicifuga appears to be safe. The German E.

Commission (the expert panel that sets recommendations on the use of

herbal medicines in Germany) has recommended that treatment be limited

to six months (the standard recommendation for hormone replacement

therapy as well).  However, this recommendation was made prior to the

detailed toxicology studies discussed above. Based upon currently

available data, cimicifuga is appropriate for long-term use."



I would definitely dispute Dr. Murray's statement that the German E.

Commission is an "expert panel" but other than that, he appears to be

disputing Tyler on the six months limit for the use of Black Cohosh.



Linda N





Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Before you buy.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Cleaning?

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 05 Oct 2000 05:55:14 GMT

--------

The Hebrews used Hyssop. 



Oakwell 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aconite

From: "Rhona O'Sullivan" <rhona@waifsandstrays.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:16:08 +0100

--------

Hi,



I just started studying Homeopathy properly, and have my first assessment to

do (feels like being in school again = weird) so can anyoen help me with

Acontie? I have all the materia medica/ repertory etc stuff, I'm more

interested in non-homeopathic uses.



Thanks



Rhona









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aconite

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 21:46:05 +0300

--------

"Rhona O'Sullivan" <rhona@waifsandstrays.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:



>I just started studying Homeopathy properly, and have my first assessment to

>do (feels like being in school again = weird) so can anyoen help me with

>Acontie? I have all the materia medica/ repertory etc stuff, I'm more

>interested in non-homeopathic uses.



The only western herbal use for Aconite would be some sort of euthanasia help.



The chinese cure the root of Aconite so that it isn't toxic, so ask around in

chinatown.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aconite

From: "robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:15:37 GMT

--------

Certainly it is not used internally in Western herbalism. However, a diluted

tincture is used externally as a painkiller in the UK, most often for

neuralgia. Only on unbroken skin and made very weak, although not quite

homeopathic dilution. Absorption occurs even through even intact skin and

can cause toxic symptoms, so one to avoid unless you are very confident that

you know the right dilutions and can use it appropriately.



--

Robyn

"Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:h1jpts8tkcree7i114st475d197dc7jl2d@4ax.com...

> "Rhona O'Sullivan" <rhona@waifsandstrays.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>

> >I just started studying Homeopathy properly, and have my first assessment

to

> >do (feels like being in school again = weird) so can anyoen help me with

> >Acontie? I have all the materia medica/ repertory etc stuff, I'm more

> >interested in non-homeopathic uses.

>

> The only western herbal use for Aconite would be some sort of euthanasia

help.

>

> The chinese cure the root of Aconite so that it isn't toxic, so ask around

in

> chinatown.

>

> Cheers

> Henriette

>

> --

> hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland      http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

> Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal treatments for loss of libido??

From: "John" <j.p.l.@netcomuk.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:14:18 +0100

--------

Can anyone out there recommend a safe, natural, and effective herbal remedy

or prescription  as an alternative to Viagra.



I suffer from kidney failure, and as a result find a great reduction in

libido.



I've been told about Yohimbe and Catuba, but I also have hypertension, so

these herbs would not be suitable for me.



Han anyone any ideas?



Please reply direct



j.p.l.@netcomuk.co.uk





John













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal treatments for loss of libido??

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 23:12:43 -0700

--------



Hmm, well I hesitate to suggest it because it's illegal, but marijuana may

have a salutary effect on your libido without raising your blood

pressure....



Nancy



"John" <j.p.l.@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message

news:8ri9hi$l07$1@taliesin2.netcom.net.uk...

> Can anyone out there recommend a safe, natural, and effective herbal

remedy

> or prescription  as an alternative to Viagra.

>

> I suffer from kidney failure, and as a result find a great reduction in

> libido.

>

> I've been told about Yohimbe and Catuba, but I also have hypertension, so

> these herbs would not be suitable for me.

>

> Han anyone any ideas?

>

> Please reply direct

>

> j.p.l.@netcomuk.co.uk

>

>

> John

>

>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal treatments for loss of libido??

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 05:04:57 -0700

--------

"N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote:



>

>Hmm, well I hesitate to suggest it because it's illegal, but marijuana may

>have a salutary effect on your libido without raising your blood

>pressure....





Damiana might also help.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal treatments for loss of libido??

From: "Chris" <chris@elixirhealth.com>

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:18:38 -0700

--------

The most effetive supplement I have used has been GHB, I understand this is

illegal in many states in America. In the uk it is legal and controlled by

the medical control agency.



I suffered a loss of libido during a period of depression. The supplement is

fairly safe but has had a lot of bad press recently as a dtae rape drug. The

down side of GHB is if you take to much you fall into a deep sleep, though

this reflects its use as a sleep aid.



It won't help with erectile dysfunction, which I thought viagra was for.



With a kidney problem you would be well advised to clear whatever you take

with your nepherologist.



There are herbal supplements that are advertised for this problem herbal V

etc, I never tried them as GHB was so effective.



Hope this helps, if your in the UK e-mail me and I'll send some supplier

details.



Chris@elixirhealth.com



"John" <j.p.l.@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message

news:8ri9hi$l07$1@taliesin2.netcom.net.uk...

> Can anyone out there recommend a safe, natural, and effective herbal

remedy

> or prescription  as an alternative to Viagra.

>

> I suffer from kidney failure, and as a result find a great reduction in

> libido.

>

> I've been told about Yohimbe and Catuba, but I also have hypertension, so

> these herbs would not be suitable for me.

>

> Han anyone any ideas?

>

> Please reply direct

>

> j.p.l.@netcomuk.co.uk

>

>

> John

>

>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: aloa vera plant

From: "ginnyp" <ginnyp@icehouse.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:42:58 GMT

--------

hi , I have a question for your group......I had an aloe vera plant that was

very big and developed lots of pups. yesterday I discovered that the main

plant had root rotted. I re-potted the pups but now I have these leaves that

are two foot long and three inches wide with lots of gel in them, my

question is how can I save this gel, can it be refrigerated or frozen. I

hate to just throw them away.......thanks...ginny









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: aloa vera plant

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 23:10:05 -0700

--------



Hi Ginny -



I remember reading about freezing aloe leaves for later use, so I'm assuming

that they'll keep that way.   On doing a web search on 'frozen aloe' I found

an article about an Okinawan company who is exporting frozen aloe for

consumption in Japan.  Apparently they eat it as a vegetable....



Nancy







"ginnyp" <ginnyp@icehouse.net> wrote in message

news:6R4D5.846$Ok4.41962@sea-read.news.verio.net...

> hi , I have a question for your group......I had an aloe vera plant that

was

> very big and developed lots of pups. yesterday I discovered that the main

> plant had root rotted. I re-potted the pups but now I have these leaves

that

> are two foot long and three inches wide with lots of gel in them, my

> question is how can I save this gel, can it be refrigerated or frozen. I

> hate to just throw them away.......thanks...ginny

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: aloa vera plant

From: "ginnyp" <ginnyp@icehouse.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 17:16:13 GMT

--------

thank you, I will give it a try, freezing it I mean ,somehow aloe vera stir

fry  doe's not sound all that great :)









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: aloa vera plant

From: "Jasmin" <choyjasmin@pd.jaring.my>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:24:24 +0800

--------

There was a Hong Kong show recently that interviewed a restaurant owner on

his aloe vera juice drink.



Apparently, he puts the slimy pulp into the blender, adds juice, and zaps

the whole thingy for a min.  Then he adds in tapoica pearls in. It's one of

the "Bubble Tea" drinks that's such a craze now over in Hong Kong.



Anyways, I tried blending aloe vera pulp myself and it does come out frothy.

No more slime (which I really hate)  and when I added some juice, it isn't

really bad after all.



My 2 cents



Jas





ginnyp <ginnyp@icehouse.net> wrote in message

news:xTID5.977$Ok4.46181@sea-read.news.verio.net...

> thank you, I will give it a try, freezing it I mean ,somehow aloe vera

stir

> fry  doe's not sound all that great :)

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Advise needed starting a herb garden

From: "John" <j.p.l.@netcomuk.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:52:50 +0100

--------

Hiya group,



I've only just discovered the value of herbal remedies and I want to start

my own herb garden.  What would be the most 'essencial' herbs to grow, and

where can I find the roots from.



Are their herbs which, like prescription drugs which cannot be mixed

together?



Just starting off I need to find good reliable scources of information, but

not knowing just what to ask for or even where to go makes it difficult.  I

live in the U.K.



John









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Advise needed starting a herb garden

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 04:38:33 -0700

--------

"John" <j.p.l.@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote:



>I've only just discovered the value of herbal remedies and I want to start

>my own herb garden.  What would be the most 'essencial' herbs to grow, and

>where can I find the roots from.

>

>Are their herbs which, like prescription drugs which cannot be mixed

>together?

>

>Just starting off I need to find good reliable scources of information, but

>not knowing just what to ask for or even where to go makes it difficult.  I

>live in the U.K.



  Even the UK has different growing areas - you need to be more

specific.  Hebrides?  Devonshire? 



  Does the UK have libraries with gardening books?  I would

recommend that, and a visit to a local botanical garden, and a

visit to a place that sells lots of plants.  Over here we call it

a "nursery", but you may call it something different. 



  First find out what WILL grow ... your chances of getting

Echinacea to grow in England are slim, but equally useful plants

probably thrive. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Advise needed starting a herb garden

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:41:50 +0300

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:



>  First find out what WILL grow ... your chances of getting

>Echinacea to grow in England are slim, but equally useful plants

>probably thrive. 



Ech grows abundantly if you plant it, both in the UK and in places like Finland.

The best one to grow is E. purpurea; E. pallida and angustifolia are even more

difficult than lavender to start from seeds.



What wouldn't grow in the UK? Bananas, unless you've a greenhouse. But in the

right spot you can grow a -lot-.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Advise needed starting a herb garden

From: "Sue Green" <sue@datadesign.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:25:39 +0100

--------

currently I have in my garden



rosemary, sage, valerian, vervain, sweet basic, holy basil (still not sure

how long that will last), St Johns Wort, Rock Rose, thyme, chives, garlic

chives, mint, chamomile and feverfew - some of these have not experienced

winter so some may not make it - but its all experimenting. My biggest

problem is the leaves start young and fresh and then get white spots - I

believe this is the wrong humidity, but I will take forever to crack it..



If rosemary takes, it makes a great tough bush. If sage takes your house

accepts you. Clary sage make great big hairly leaves... my other half chews

on a bit of sage to keep his gums clean... and save him giong to the dentist

for root treatment norty boy





Im in Suffolk, UK, we get lucky with the weather compared to many UK areas.

But my plants are n unhealthy clay type soil..





Sue







Wakefield wrote in message <8rntq4$moe$1@news.loa.com>...

>Robyn- any chance you could give the isbn  and pub date on that book

>(Hopefully they still use the isbn)- it sounds like something I'd love to

>read if I could get it.

>--

>

>-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

>refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

>"robyn" <robyn@hnhc.DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

>news:PnsD5.1962$2z.207695@news1.cableinet.net...

>> I just found a book by Anne McIntyre called "The Apothecary's Garden" in

>my

>> local remaindered bookshop. Nice book on exactly this subject.

>>

>> --

>> Robyn

>> "John" <j.p.l.@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message

>> news:8rk7i7$435$1@lyonesse.netcom.net.uk...

>> > Hiya group,

>> >

>> > I've only just discovered the value of herbal remedies and I want to

>start

>> > my own herb garden.  What would be the most 'essencial' herbs to grow,

>and

>> > where can I find the roots from.

>> >

>> > Are their herbs which, like prescription drugs which cannot be mixed

>> > together?

>> >

>> > Just starting off I need to find good reliable scources of information,

>> but

>> > not knowing just what to ask for or even where to go makes it

difficult.

>> I

>> > live in the U.K.

>> >

>> > John

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: black cohosh side effects/Varro Tyler

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:37:36 +0000

--------

Ask Henriette her opinion of Varro Tyler....or most

of the herbalists here....



He should have stuck to pharmacy....He is not a very

good reference on the safety or uses of herbs....Occassionally

he may get it right...but that's not a recommendation.



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



Oakwelherb wrote:



> >Everything I've looked at says black cohosh is very safe and

> >only mention GI problems at high dosages.

>

> Varrow Tyler in his book HERBS OF CHOICE states, " Administration of the drug

> sometimes causes stomach upsets: otherwise, no problems or contraindications

> have been reported."  He also suggests use should be limited to no longer than

> six months.

>

> There are many herbs that do the same thing the Black Cohosh does.  I like to

> alternate.  You don't eat chicken every meal, why would you take the same herb

> every day?

>

> Oakwell







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Subject: Re: black cohosh side effects/Varro Tyler

From: "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:17:47 -0400

--------

I've just started watching all this and I'm glad to see my opinion of Varro

Tyler validated.   Had I listened to him when I first started my fascination

with herbs it would have set me back years in my trip of herbal discovery.

But I've got a good ear for BS and I quit polluting my mind with his

thinking early on.   Then I see his name pop up in news stories and I just

have to wonder why they call him an "authority".

Carolyn



Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net> wrote in message

news:39DDAB70.2FE17C8D@pilot.infi.net...

> Ask Henriette her opinion of Varro Tyler....or most

> of the herbalists here....

>

> He should have stuck to pharmacy....He is not a very

> good reference on the safety or uses of herbs....Occassionally

> he may get it right...but that's not a recommendation.

>

> Cathy, Wise Weeds

> http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/

>

> Oakwelherb wrote:

>

> > >Everything I've looked at says black cohosh is very safe and

> > >only mention GI problems at high dosages.

> >

> > Varrow Tyler in his book HERBS OF CHOICE states, " Administration of the

drug

> > sometimes causes stomach upsets: otherwise, no problems or

contraindications

> > have been reported."  He also suggests use should be limited to no

longer than

> > six months.

> >

> > There are many herbs that do the same thing the Black Cohosh does.  I

like to

> > alternate.  You don't eat chicken every meal, why would you take the

same herb

> > every day?

> >

> > Oakwell

>









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Subject: Tincture Making Question

From: Mary <mbuckNOSPAM@mindspring.com>

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 14:10:44 -0400

--------

I've been making a few tinctures this summer from my herb garden and

have noticed some distinct differences in how my tinctures look compared

to the ones I buy.  Mine usually turn out a beautiful dark clear green

(mullein, thyme, oregano) using everclear 190 proof while the ones I've

bought are invariably a very dark opaque murky brown.  Does anyone know

why the bought ones look so murky?  Thanks.



Mary







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Subject: Re: Tincture Making Question

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 21:50:36 -0400

--------

On Fri, 06 Oct 2000 14:10:44 -0400, Mary <mbuckNOSPAM@mindspring.com>

wrote:



>I've been making a few tinctures this summer from my herb garden and

>have noticed some distinct differences in how my tinctures look compared

>to the ones I buy.  Mine usually turn out a beautiful dark clear green

>(mullein, thyme, oregano) using everclear 190 proof while the ones I've

>bought are invariably a very dark opaque murky brown.  Does anyone know

>why the bought ones look so murky?  Thanks.



As a data point, my homemade tinctures are usually murky, too.



Mari





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tincture Making Question

From: <tania@mysticnaturals.com>

Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 07:07:33 -0400

--------

My guess whould be the difference between fresh & dried herbs.



Tania

www.mysticnaturals.com











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Subject: Re: Tincture Making Question

From: shellgirlk@aol.com (ShellGirlK)

Date: 07 Oct 2000 04:12:34 GMT

--------

>Does anyone know

>why the bought ones look so murky?



>Mine usually turn out a beautiful dark clear green



I would have to say that it's because you're making them by hand one at a time

rather than mass producing them. 



The Crush (lurking person of many NG's)





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Subject: Re: Tincture Making Question

From: "Faye" <crabtreeridge@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:32:33 -0500

--------

I'm so glad you've asked this question.  I've wondered the same

thing and your description of the color difference is right on.  I

was always afraid I was doing something wrong.



Faye

Live lightly on the land

http://www.TheRidgeView.com/news/natural.htm











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Subject: Re: Tincture Making Question

From: baird@gate.net (Baird Stafford)

Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:30:38 -0400

--------

Mary <mbuckNOSPAM@mindspring.com> wrote:



> I've been making a few tinctures this summer from my herb garden and

> have noticed some distinct differences in how my tinctures look compared

> to the ones I buy.  Mine usually turn out a beautiful dark clear green

> (mullein, thyme, oregano) using everclear 190 proof while the ones I've

> bought are invariably a very dark opaque murky brown.  Does anyone know

> why the bought ones look so murky?  Thanks.



It's possible, I should think, that the color change may be brought on

either by pasteurization or by application of further heat, hotter than

required for making the tinctures, during the canning/bottling process.

Commercial products sometimes are required by law to undergo steps that

home-made products may omit.



This is just a guess, however....



Blessed be,

Baird





-- 

Modkin for soc.religion.paganism,

Modstaff for alt.religion.wicca.moderated

Like science fiction and fantasy fiction?  Read my reviews at

<http://www.bairdstafford.com>





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Subject: Re: Tincture Making Question

From: mouser <gmouser@iamnow.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 18:56:20 -0400

--------

It's hard to screw up tinctures, so it is most likely some coloration in the

commerial product.

I guess the answer would come with reproducing the process and see if you end

up with the same thing. Examine your process and try again.



mouser



Your mileage may vary, this works for me, this advice may

be worth just what you paid for it!



Baird Stafford wrote:



> Mary <mbuckNOSPAM@mindspring.com> wrote:

>

> > I've been making a few tinctures this summer from my herb garden and

> > have noticed some distinct differences in how my tinctures look compared

> > to the ones I buy.  Mine usually turn out a beautiful dark clear green

> > (mullein, thyme, oregano) using everclear 190 proof while the ones I've

> > bought are invariably a very dark opaque murky brown.  Does anyone know

> > why the bought ones look so murky?  Thanks.

>

> It's possible, I should think, that the color change may be brought on

> either by pasteurization or by application of further heat, hotter than

> required for making the tinctures, during the canning/bottling process.

> Commercial products sometimes are required by law to undergo steps that

> home-made products may omit.

>

> This is just a guess, however....

>

> Blessed be,

> Baird

>

> --

> Modkin for soc.religion.paganism,

> Modstaff for alt.religion.wicca.moderated

> Like science fiction and fantasy fiction?  Read my reviews at

> <http://www.bairdstafford.com>











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Subject: Re: Tincture Making Question

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:37:14 -0400

--------

If you make tinctures from fresh herb, and the herb was green to begin with,

you will most likely extract significant amounts of chlorophyll. This

brilliant coloration is somewhat reduced with dried plant material. You

could try to do parallel tinctures on fresh and dried at home- see what you

think.

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

"mouser" <gmouser@iamnow.net> wrote in message

news:39DFAA13.1C96AEAB@iamnow.net...

> It's hard to screw up tinctures, so it is most likely some coloration in

the

> commerial product.

> I guess the answer would come with reproducing the process and see if you

end

> up with the same thing. Examine your process and try again.

>

> mouser

>

> Your mileage may vary, this works for me, this advice may

> be worth just what you paid for it!

>

> Baird Stafford wrote:

>

> > Mary <mbuckNOSPAM@mindspring.com> wrote:

> >

> > > I've been making a few tinctures this summer from my herb garden and

> > > have noticed some distinct differences in how my tinctures look

compared

> > > to the ones I buy.  Mine usually turn out a beautiful dark clear green

> > > (mullein, thyme, oregano) using everclear 190 proof while the ones

I've

> > > bought are invariably a very dark opaque murky brown.  Does anyone

know

> > > why the bought ones look so murky?  Thanks.

> >

> > It's possible, I should think, that the color change may be brought on

> > either by pasteurization or by application of further heat, hotter than

> > required for making the tinctures, during the canning/bottling process.

> > Commercial products sometimes are required by law to undergo steps that

> > home-made products may omit.

> >

> > This is just a guess, however....

> >

> > Blessed be,

> > Baird

> >

> > --

> > Modkin for soc.religion.paganism,

> > Modstaff for alt.religion.wicca.moderated

> > Like science fiction and fantasy fiction?  Read my reviews at

> > <http://www.bairdstafford.com>

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Tincture Making Question

From: "Faye" <crabtreeridge@mindspring.com>

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:47:53 -0500

--------

Wakefield wrote in message <8rpuc8$rfc$1@news.loa.com>...

>If you make tinctures from fresh herb, and the herb was green to

begin with,

>you will most likely extract significant amounts of chlorophyll.

This

>brilliant coloration is somewhat reduced with dried plant material.

You

>could try to do parallel tinctures on fresh and dried at home- see

what you

>think.



Is one "better" than the other, more effective?



Faye













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Subject: Re: Tincture Making Question

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:07:25 -0400

--------



"Faye" <crabtreeridge@mindspring.com> wrote in message

news:8rqpo7$v4k$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net...

> Wakefield wrote in message <8rpuc8$rfc$1@news.loa.com>...

> >If you make tinctures from fresh herb, and the herb was green to

> begin with,

> >you will most likely extract significant amounts of chlorophyll.

> This

> >brilliant coloration is somewhat reduced with dried plant material.

> You

> >could try to do parallel tinctures on fresh and dried at home- see

> what you

> >think.

>

> Is one "better" than the other, more effective?

>

> Faye

>



   I think (and this is theory) that would depend on a lot of variables.

What happens to the active (desired) principle during the drying process?

How easily does it come out of the plant material? If it is deteriorated by

the drying process, it might be better to tincture the fresh. But if the

plant cells are rugged or there is some type of coating on the leaf (or

root) that breaks dwn with drying, you could be better off drying, then

tincturing. I would read up on the specific herb. (BTW, the green stuff is

in the leaf, I'm hoping. You're not getting green stuff from root tinctures,

are you?)

   There could also be some reason you WANT chlorophyll- I don't personally

know of a good reason for it, but they do say thiongs about it being a

breath freshener..

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --









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Subject: Re: Tincture Making Question

From: "Faye" <crabtreeridge@mindspring.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:16:48 -0500

--------

Yes, the green stuff if from the leaves.  Thanks for your thoughtful

suggestions.



Faye









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Subject: Re: Tincture Making Question

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:43:17 +0300

--------

baird@gate.net (Baird Stafford) wrote:



>It's possible, I should think, that the color change may be brought on

>either by pasteurization or by application of further heat, hotter than

>required for making the tinctures, during the canning/bottling process.

>Commercial products sometimes are required by law to undergo steps that

>home-made products may omit.



Properly made alcohol tinctures keep because they contain alcohol, not because

of any extra heating. If you do heat such a tincture it won't look proper after

that; you get flakes, or it starts to bubble if the alcohol % was low enough. Or

other such things. 

So pasteurisation or such is nonsensical for tinctures; it doesn't prolong its

shelf-life, it shortens it, sometimes very considerably.



Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland      http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: Tincture Making Question

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 21:43:44 GMT

--------



"Mary" <mbuckNOSPAM@mindspring.com> wrote in message

news:39DE15A4.7D4299E9@mindspring.com...

> I've been making a few tinctures this summer from my herb garden and

> have noticed some distinct differences in how my tinctures look compared

> to the ones I buy.



I had the lovely opportunity to visit an herb farm in VT where an herbalist

was making commercial tinctures for distribution. (Unfortunately last year I

heard she hadn't *made* it with her business, too small, too much

competition, distribution problems, marketing problems, etc. )o:).  The

tools are much different than you or I would use at home and we really

couldn't duplicate the process without the expensive equipment.  Her "press"

was hydraulic with several filter systems.  The marc felt totally dry when

retrieved and was very fine, almost like sand (mine still drips when I'm

done with my jelly bag!).  She also (whether fresh or dried) used a big

powerful stainless steel *food processor* for lack of a better word that was

powerful in cutting/grinding, with a screening system to sort the sizes of

the plant material.  Yet this machine created very little heat due to

friction (this was important to her she said for retaining the essential

oils and vitamins).  She also used some scientific tools to measure volume

of water/alcohol and mass...  Had lots of fine measuring tools, too; digital

scales, beakers, etc.  It was beyond me most of it, but fascinating to see

large scale tinctures done right on the herb farm.  She also did compounds

and ratios of tinctures.  Very scientific...



Always wanted to visit one of the really BIG companies and see how they do

it...



Her tinctures were very dark, too; not really murky, but very dark and

opaque.  Some had color casts to them of muted oranges, yellows and greens -

but most were dark brown-green.  Maybe because of the particles?  Don't

know...



Not saying it's better than my big glass jar of homegrown echinacea, maybe

better and more potent, but mine works just fine.



BTW - they still had to shake the tinctures daily *by hand*.  There were a

LOT of tinctures there to shake, too!



Simple









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Subject: Re: Tincture Making Question

From: "C. Voss" <cvoss@texas.net>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:59:03 GMT

--------

    'Cause they're NOT as good as the ones you are making. <gr>  Really!



Regards ... Chris





"Mary" <mbuckNOSPAM@mindspring.com> wrote in message

news:39DE15A4.7D4299E9@mindspring.com...

> I've been making a few tinctures this summer from my herb garden and

> have noticed some distinct differences in how my tinctures look compared

> to the ones I buy.  Mine usually turn out a beautiful dark clear green

> (mullein, thyme, oregano) using everclear 190 proof while the ones I've

> bought are invariably a very dark opaque murky brown.  Does anyone know

> why the bought ones look so murky?  Thanks.

>

> Mary

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tincture Making Question

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:32:52 GMT

--------

"C. Voss" <cvoss@texas.net> wrote in message

news:HkTE5.3171$XI.753355@news3.aus1.giganews.com...

>     'Cause they're NOT as good as the ones you are making. <gr>  Really!

>

> Regards ... Chris



Yeah, Yeah - I know, I know; but hey  - it's the PEOPLES MEDICINE, right?



Good thing there are folks brewing up the real potent stuff and have the

expertise in case I need somethin' special sometime.



Which I do - sometimes.



:)



Simple











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: to group about EPHEDRINE in IGNITE

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 7 Oct 2000 03:53:13 GMT

--------

maxz1 <maxz1@early.com> wrote:

>I just checked out the site , and was looking at what was in ignite. Please

>read this about ephedrine on the link I'm putting to the F.D.A.'s site , the

>FDA doesn't let them sell ephedrine. Some people was getting really sick from

>it ,  if anyone was taking it and felt sick it said they should see a doctor

>right away. I don't know anything but what I read , so make your own judgment

>about it. Here is the link



The FDA has failed to prove ephedrine unsafe when used as directed

(i.e., not overdosed, and not taken with medical conditions that

contraindicate its usage)



http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/0914-124.html



(Ignite, however is the typical overpriced ephedrine based MLM combo.)



-- 

  jamie  (mjwm@austin.rr.com)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: This may sound silly, but...

From: "Docbrucebanner" <docbrucebanner@dingoblue.net.au>

Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:21:50 +1000

--------

Hi there, I'm new to this group. My Girlfriend is extremely sensitive about

the size of her breasts. I've been looking into alternatives to implants

(Surgery - ick!) and thought I'd see if anybody knew of any herbal

concoctions that promote noticable breast growth. If anyone can help I'd be

VERY appreciative.



Thanks,



DocBruceBanner









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Subject: Re: This may sound silly, but...

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 05:05:51 -0700

--------

"Docbrucebanner" <docbrucebanner@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:



>Hi there, I'm new to this group. My Girlfriend is extremely sensitive about

>the size of her breasts. I've been looking into alternatives to implants

>(Surgery - ick!) and thought I'd see if anybody knew of any herbal

>concoctions that promote noticable breast growth.



WONDERBRA!  About $25 at any Victoria's Secret.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: This may sound silly, but...

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 7 Oct 2000 18:19:48 GMT

--------

Docbrucebanner <docbrucebanner@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:

>Hi there, I'm new to this group. My Girlfriend is extremely sensitive about

>the size of her breasts. I've been looking into alternatives to implants

>(Surgery - ick!) and thought I'd see if anybody knew of any herbal

>concoctions that promote noticable breast growth. If anyone can help I'd be

>VERY appreciative.



No, but birth control pills would.  So would putting on weight, but that

would affect a lot more than just the breasts.



-- 

  jamie  (mjwm@austin.rr.com)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Contemporary Herbal Reference Books

From: Corbin <gryffin1@excite.com>

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:31:40 +0100

--------

Hello,



I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who responded to my post,

I'll definately take a look at all the books mentioned. In answer to a

question about what I'm looking for specifically - I'd like a book that

has the most current information about the properties and use of herbs,

including their chemical components. I have several books already:

Hoffman, Lust, Grieve, Christopher, Kloss, Gladstar, and a few small

books from the 70's which look like they are from very small publishig

houses. Many thanks again, to all who responded to my post.



-Corbin





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ingredient help please!  Euphorics?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 07:24:04 -0700

--------

I got a spam (already reported) about several supposedly legal

marijuana substitutes.  What ARE they selling? I'm not good with

Indian herb names.



(spammed marijuana substitute) is both a euphoriant and an 

uplifting, calmative relaxant that offers scintillating 

physical and cerebral ambiance enhancement. Kathmandu 

Temple Kiff is a proprietary, prescribed amalgamation 

which includes the following synergistically, synesthesia

conglomerated, uncommon herbs, resins, essences, flower-tops

and oils in extreme ratio extractment ranging from 

8.5 to 1.0 to 60 to 1, viripotent concentrations: 

Drachasha, Chavana Prash, Trikatu, Black Seed Herb, Capillaris

Herba, Angelica Root, Wild Dagga, Haritaki, Shatavari, Labdunum,

Neroli, Unicorn Root, Papaver Rhoes, Dendrobian, Calea 

Zacalechichi, Rue, Amla, Salvia Divinorum, Crocus Sativa,

Lotus and Gokshura   





(another spamvertised product) is indeed a most extraordinary,

viripotent, calming, centering, mood-enhancing, 

holistically-formulated, exotic herbaceous alternative to 

pharmaceutical medications for depression, anxiety, stress,

insomnia, etc.  



Ingredients: 

Tadix Salviae, 

Sensitive Mimosa Bark, Arullus Euphoriae, Shizandra, 

Frutcus Mori, Caulis, Polygoni Multiflori, Zizphus, 

Tang Kuei, Cedar Seed, Sweetflag Rhizome, Cuscutae, 

Amber, Radix Scutellariae, Evodia, Longan, Arizisaema,

Cistanches, Radix Polygalae, Red Sage Root and Eucommia.





Also... (more spamvertising) A non-caffeine, non-ephedrine,

non-ephedra, non-MaHuang; viripotent, herbaceous prescription for

the dynamic energization of body, mind and spirit.



Ingredients:



ortex Eucommiae, Radex Polygoni 

Multiflori, Zizyphus Seed, Fructus Schisandrae, Radix Panax

Ginseng, Radix Astragali, Atractylode, Sclerotium, Porial 

Cocos, Saussurea Tang Kuei, Longan, Radix Paeoniae, Biota 

Seeds, Glehnia, Radix Salviae, Ligusticum, Lycu Berry,

Radix Dioscoreae, Cortex Mouton, Frutcus Corni, Radix 

Polygalae, Cistanches, Radix Pseudoslellariae and 

Cortex Aranthopanacis. 







Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: asiatic dayflower "old remedies from British Cyclopedia"

From: u2canbgq@aol.com (U2canbgq)

Date: 07 Oct 2000 14:48:24 GMT

--------

Looking high and low on the web for information pertaining to old herbal

healing, with asiatic dayflower. Can not find any website that will delve into

recipes, or the qualities for and of asiatic dayflower.  I am not looking for

somebody to hand me the information , just for somebody to lead or direct me to

it.  I know this is an inconvience and I am sorry for that.  I thank you for

your time.



                                                      Sincerely, 

                                                     

                                                    John Ketelsen

                                           email:u2cnbgq@hotmail.com





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Subject: Premature Ejaculation

From: "G.H.Chiles Jr." <har88mic@2xtreme.net>

Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:18:13 -0700

--------

Is the a herb out there to stop premature ejaculation?









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Premature Ejaculation

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 13:34:37 -0400

--------

On Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:18:13 -0700, "G.H.Chiles Jr."

<har88mic@2xtreme.net> wrote:



>Is the a herb out there to stop premature ejaculation?



It's not an herb, but Bernie Zilbergeld's book "The New Male

Sexuality" has several extremely effective techniques for managing and

preventing premature ejaculation. I can vouch for their effectiveness

with at least three men I know, um, personally. :-)



Mari







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Subject: Re: Premature Ejaculation

From: "Jewelweed Soap" <nature@edge.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:18:30 -0500

--------

Not that I know of, but I do know that Prozac will slow it down, and often

makes it hard to ejaculate at all. St. Johy's Wort may have same effect I do

not know.

--

Karen Shelton

Manchester, TN

Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

http://altnature.com













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Subject: Re: Premature Ejaculation

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:05:07 +0300

--------

"Jewelweed Soap" <nature@edge.net> wrote:



>Not that I know of, but I do know that Prozac will slow it down, and often

>makes it hard to ejaculate at all. St. Johy's Wort may have same effect I do

>not know.



St. John's wort has no effect on ejaculation. If it had we'd have heard oodles

and doodles about it by now, mainly from the mainstream press.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Premature Ejaculation

From: lindax@my-deja.com

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:22:34 GMT

--------

In article <su696p9so01792@corp.supernews.com>,

  "Jewelweed Soap" <nature@edge.net> wrote:

> Not that I know of, but I do know that Prozac will slow it down, and

often

> makes it hard to ejaculate at all.



Yeah and after it does that it may make a man impotent permanently. I

know of several men for whom it has done just that.  Even the literature

for many anti-depressants list impotency as a side effect.  However

it is often implied that such a side effect lasts only as long as the

man is on the drug.  Except that for many men this simply is just not

the case.  Not a particularly safe way to stop premature ejaculation.



As for St. John's Wort, I know of no such side effect and have never

heard of such anywhere.



Linda N





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Subject: Newbie with a question :)

From: Traseap1 <traseap@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 21:19:27 -0500

--------

Hi everybody I think I have a simple question for all of you but also

maybe not. I have a syndrom called PCOS and I have also been diagnosed

with insulin resistance. My question is about this New Fad (or maybe not

a fad I don't know) about Chitosan. The fat binder herb. Does this work

really? I want to try it but I am afraid too because I am on Metformin

for my insulin resistance, I don't want any bad reactions or anything.

Is anybody here on Metformin for Diabetes or IR? If so have you tried

this Chitosan? Or am I just wasting my time? I already bought it but I

have had it for a couple of weeks, waiting to ask my doc but he is not

too fond of herbal treatments. Due to my PCOS it is very hard for me to

lose any weight at all since it is a endocrine/metabolic disorder and

hormones are out of whack. Any help would be great. I also exercise, but

it is just not coming off. Any responses are appreciated...Thanks.

Tracy







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Subject: Re: Newbie with a question :)

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 04:45:04 -0700

--------

Traseap1 <traseap@hotmail.com> wrote:



>Hi everybody I think I have a simple question for all of you but also

>maybe not. I have a syndrom called PCOS and I have also been diagnosed

>with insulin resistance. My question is about this New Fad (or maybe not

>a fad I don't know) about Chitosan. The fat binder herb. Does this work

>really? 

  NO it does not work ... except that the people on it eat less

because chitosan causes severe intestinal cramping, incredibly

foul-smelling farts, and diarrhea if they eat fatty foods.  Yeah,

they lose weight, but a case of Giardia or stomach flu is just as

effective.



It DOES absorb fat, but the bacteria in the large intestine then

digest the fat for themselves, causing all of the above symptoms.



>I want to try it but I am afraid too because I am on Metformin

>for my insulin resistance, I don't want any bad reactions or anything.

>Is anybody here on Metformin for Diabetes or IR? If so have you tried

>this Chitosan? Or am I just wasting my time? I already bought it but I

>have had it for a couple of weeks, waiting to ask my doc but he is not

>too fond of herbal treatments. 



  Take it back to the store and get a refund.  It will bnot do

anythng for you that a modest change in diet can do ... eat more

complex carbohydrates, drink plenty of WATER (not soft drinks,

coffee or sports drinks), and exercise moderately and regularly.



>Due to my PCOS it is very hard for me to

>lose any weight at all since it is a endocrine/metabolic disorder and

>hormones are out of whack. Any help would be great. I also exercise, but

>it is just not coming off.



Don't look at just weight ... if you exercise, you shift weight

from fat to muscle.  And muscle takes up less room, and is more

active metabolically.  I went from a flabby 105 to a trim 120

with exercise (smaller clothes, harder but heavier body).



It takes up to 60 days for your body to decide you are serious

about exercise and to start building muscle ... at a minimum, a

brisk 1/2 hour walk daily to gcrank up the metabolism.  If you

have access to a gym, weight training on the machines twice a

week with mostly light weights and lots of repetitions will speed

the process.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Newbie with a question :)

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 21:18:19 GMT

--------



"Tsu Dho Nimh" <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:9sm0uscvd562pvr4cekkhtfupbedcup5vq@4ax.com...

> Traseap1 <traseap@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >My question is about this New Fad (or maybe not

> >a fad I don't know) about Chitosan. The fat binder herb.



First its not that new anymore (and it didn't really take off like I think

the manufacturers thought it would because of the problems it causes in the

GI system).



Second it's not an herb (it's made from the shells of shrimp like

creatures).  If you have a shellfish allergy - LOOK OUT!



Had a friend that tried it - nope, didn't work.  Did give her the GI

symptoms the other posters mentioned though.  Why pay good money for those

kind of  problems?



Simple









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Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 04:49:09 -0700

--------

"Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net> wrote:



>Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew what the herbal alternative to 

>ritalin is. any info would be helpful. 



For startrs, is the child TRULY hyperactive/ADD, or is the school

dosing them into chemical docility because the teacher expects

him/her to sit still for hours at a time?  Or fidgety because of

inadequate play time at school?  



Can the child focus on a task they WANT to focus on, like model

building or coloring, for an age-appropriate length of time?  My

supposedly "hyperactive" nephew could spend hours quietly

drawing.  In class he was bored out of his mind because of the

teacher's lack of personality. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 21:12:10 GMT

--------



"Tsu Dho Nimh" <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:rin0usgot38g1f33e2bo8ei3ge1ugboe26@4ax.com...

> "Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net> wrote:

>

> >Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew what the herbal alternative to

ritalin is. any info would be helpful.



How old is your kid?



Simple









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Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:39:59 -0400

--------

   We had a brief discussion of this awhile back. A lady was anxious about a

school-administered test her child was about to take. (I can't remember if

he was ADD, or being diagnosed, or what). We talked about the reputation

rosemary has for aiding in memory, study, and concentration. A couple of

suggestions were; a plant in the classroom., and aromatherapy jewely with

the oil on it. She didn't get back to us about whether or not she tried it

or if it seemed to help.

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

"Busy18" <busy18@home.com> wrote in message

news:Kq5E5.51763$65.558749@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com...

>

> "Tsu Dho Nimh" <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:rin0usgot38g1f33e2bo8ei3ge1ugboe26@4ax.com...

> > "Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net> wrote:

> >

> > >Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew what the herbal alternative to

> ritalin is. any info would be helpful.

>

> How old is your kid?

>

> Simple

>

>









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Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:31:45 -0700

--------



Hi Wendy -



Many people use Ginko Biloba to help improve the ability to concentrate in

ADD.  My partner says it helps, but not as much as the Ritalin.  If the

person in question has a clotting disorder or is on blood thinners, Ginko is

contra-indicated, because it tends to inhibit clotting.  Some people also

say that pycnogenol helps.



You might try looking at the articles at:



http://www.holisticmed.com/add/



for a lot of information on alternative treatment of ADD/ADHD, and a email

list for the discussion of the same.



Hope this helps,



Nancy







"Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net> wrote in message

news:N34E5.38126$sB2.758458@news-east.usenetserver.com...

Thanks Tsu Dho, however you didn't answer the question. I simply wanted to

know the name of the herbal.

But thanks for yout input and concern,,

anyone else???



Lady Wendy <ladywendy@knology.net> wrote in message

news:IRTD5.29268$sB2.528196@news-east.usenetserver.com...

Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew what the herbal alternative to ritalin

is. any info would be helpful.

thanks

Lady Wendy

Bright Blessings

ladywendy@knology.net













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Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 04:41:17 -0700

--------

"Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net> wrote:



>Thanks Tsu Dho, however you didn't answer the question. I simply wanted to know the name of the herbal. 



Wendy -

  Without knowing the REAL problem, it's hard to provide an

answer.  







Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: goddess_kitten@my-deja.com

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:13:57 GMT

--------

In article <9jn0us8ik9n1j8mqdofu24gb6iqidu6doe@4ax.com>,

  Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net> wrote:

>

> >Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew what the herbal alternative to

> >ritalin is. any info would be helpful.

>

> For startrs, is the child TRULY hyperactive/ADD, or is the school

> dosing them into chemical docility because the teacher expects

> him/her to sit still for hours at a time?





Schools cannot prescribe medications.  Period.  End of story.



>Or fidgety because of

> inadequate play time at school?

>

> Can the child focus on a task they WANT to focus on, like model

> building or coloring, for an age-appropriate length of time?  My

> supposedly "hyperactive" nephew could spend hours quietly

> drawing.  In class he was bored out of his mind because of the

> teacher's lack of personality.

>





This *is* a relevant question.  If the child *can* focus on things s/he

likes, s/he can be either AD/HD or bored.  It takes a doctor and a

complete evaluation of both at-home behavior *and* at-school behavior.

AD/HD children *can* focus on things in which they are interested.  If

this focus is to the point that they don't seem to see/hear/notice

anything else going on around them, it is called hyperfocusing.

The ability to hyperfocus can be a part of AD/HD.  (Is s/he focusing so

much on his/her book that s/he has to be lightly shaken to realize that

you have been calling his/her name for the past five minutes?)  It can

also be a dangerous tendency, dependent upon setting.  (Is the child

focusing so much on the soccer ball that s/he chases it out into the

street without noticing that s/he is going into the street?)



The diagnosis of AD/HD is not something to be taken lightly.  And it is

not something that unqualified persons should attempt to confirm or

deny.



--

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Kitten, Goddess of Mischief



"Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never

forgotten this." - Anonymous

"Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your

living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude

for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui





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Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:21:27 GMT

--------



> > For startrs, is the child TRULY hyperactive/ADD, or is the school

> > dosing them into chemical docility because the teacher expects

> > him/her to sit still for hours at a time?



For sure!  It seems to be the mad methodology of the millenium.  At my kid's

school the lunch line up for the Ritalin is almost as long one of the lunch

lines!  It is so very sad.



> Schools cannot prescribe medications.  Period.  End of story.



They also cannot diagnose your kid!  They must go through testing with

qualified folks, however, my system didn't have any *qualified folks*,

although some folks took a look and spent some time with my son (like

looking at a dam bug).  Does yours?



> >Or fidgety because of

> > inadequate play time at school?



Big one - young kids need to move their bods.  They don't have *recess*

anymore in my public school system, or if the kids to get let out - its

random and rare.  No PE either 'til they get to high school.  Stupid,

stupid, stupid.....  Then they wonder why these kids can't stay focused and

sit still - duh!  They're kids and they need to move in the world to learn

about it and themselves.



> > Can the child focus on a task they WANT to focus on, like model

> > building or coloring, for an age-appropriate length of time?  My

> > supposedly "hyperactive" nephew could spend hours quietly

> > drawing.  In class he was bored out of his mind because of the

> > teacher's lack of personality.



> This *is* a relevant question.  If the child *can* focus on things s/he

> likes, s/he can be either AD/HD or bored.  It takes a doctor and a

> complete evaluation of both at-home behavior *and* at-school behavior.

> AD/HD children *can* focus on things in which they are interested.  If

> this focus is to the point that they don't seem to see/hear/notice

> anything else going on around them, it is called hyperfocusing.

> The ability to hyperfocus can be a part of AD/HD.  (Is s/he focusing so

> much on his/her book that s/he has to be lightly shaken to realize that

> you have been calling his/her name for the past five minutes?)  It can

> also be a dangerous tendency, dependent upon setting.  (Is the child

> focusing so much on the soccer ball that s/he chases it out into the

> street without noticing that s/he is going into the street?)

>

> The diagnosis of AD/HD is not something to be taken lightly.  And it is

> not something that unqualified persons should attempt to confirm or

> deny.



My son finally *achieved* a label of Auditory Processing Deficit, which has

VERY similar symptoms to ADD/ADHD and for which Ritalin would have been a

most inappropriate treatment.  Had to go through a few private folks and

asked for second opinions before I accepted this diagnosis.  It costs, but

was worth it!  He also had (still has, but not as bad) environmental and

food allergy related behavior/academic problems when he was much younger.



Could be a lot of things...  But the catch all is ADD/ADHD when there is a

problem in the classroom.



Simple











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: goddess_kitten@my-deja.com

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:27:24 GMT

--------

In article <bNpE5.52496$65.567020@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com>,

  "Busy18" <busy18@home.com> wrote:

>

> > > For startrs, is the child TRULY hyperactive/ADD, or is the school

> > > dosing them into chemical docility because the teacher expects

> > > him/her to sit still for hours at a time?

>

> For sure!  It seems to be the mad methodology of the millenium.  At my

kid's

> school the lunch line up for the Ritalin is almost as long one of the

lunch

> lines!  It is so very sad.

>

> > Schools cannot prescribe medications.  Period.  End of story.

>

> They also cannot diagnose your kid!  They must go through testing with

> qualified folks, however, my system didn't have any *qualified folks*,

> although some folks took a look and spent some time with my son (like

> looking at a dam bug).  Does yours?

>





When YS was having difficulties (organizational, social, focusing) in

school, I spoke with the school counselor, who was able to give me

information on different avenues (counseling, etc) to pursue in dealing

with the problems.  Most of our process in dealing with the difficulties

involves great amounts of time spent in teaching him ways to help

himself.  This fall, we spoke with our GP, who referred us to a

pediatrician who specializes in AD/HD.  The school system had nothing to

do with this process.  However, both before and after, the school has

been very good about helping us implement things to help YS learn the

skills he will need when he leaves elementary school for middle school.



> > >Or fidgety because of

> > > inadequate play time at school?

>

> Big one - young kids need to move their bods.  They don't have

*recess*

> anymore in my public school system, or if the kids to get let out -

its

> random and rare.  No PE either 'til they get to high school.  Stupid,

> stupid, stupid.....  Then they wonder why these kids can't stay

focused and

> sit still - duh!  They're kids and they need to move in the world to

learn

> about it and themselves.

>





No PE or recess?  Our two 5th graders were complaining because they were

cut down to 2 recesses (morning and afternoon).  They also have a PE

class.  It's a state requirement.  We had to push the middle school into

dropping our 7th grader's PE class for this year because of scheduling

conflicts.  One of the classes he needed was available during the two

periods where he had PE and band, and he didn't want to lose band.  He

has a bit of a walk before and after school, *and* we do quite a bit of

outdoors activities (hiking, camping, canoeing), so we weren't worried

about him getting 7th grade PE.



> > > Can the child focus on a task they WANT to focus on, like model

> > > building or coloring, for an age-appropriate length of time?  My

> > > supposedly "hyperactive" nephew could spend hours quietly

> > > drawing.  In class he was bored out of his mind because of the

> > > teacher's lack of personality.

>

> > This *is* a relevant question.  If the child *can* focus on things

s/he

> > likes, s/he can be either AD/HD or bored.  It takes a doctor and a

> > complete evaluation of both at-home behavior *and* at-school

behavior.

> > AD/HD children *can* focus on things in which they are interested.

If

> > this focus is to the point that they don't seem to see/hear/notice

> > anything else going on around them, it is called hyperfocusing.

> > The ability to hyperfocus can be a part of AD/HD.  (Is s/he focusing

so

> > much on his/her book that s/he has to be lightly shaken to realize

that

> > you have been calling his/her name for the past five minutes?)  It

can

> > also be a dangerous tendency, dependent upon setting.  (Is the child

> > focusing so much on the soccer ball that s/he chases it out into the

> > street without noticing that s/he is going into the street?)

> >

> > The diagnosis of AD/HD is not something to be taken lightly.  And it

is

> > not something that unqualified persons should attempt to confirm or

> > deny.

>

> My son finally *achieved* a label of Auditory Processing Deficit,

which has

> VERY similar symptoms to ADD/ADHD and for which Ritalin would have

been a

> most inappropriate treatment.  Had to go through a few private folks

and

> asked for second opinions before I accepted this diagnosis.  It costs,

but

> was worth it!  He also had (still has, but not as bad) environmental

and

> food allergy related behavior/academic problems when he was much

younger.

>

> Could be a lot of things...  But the catch all is ADD/ADHD when there

is a

> problem in the classroom.

>





Pinpointing the exact problem *is* the key, as there are things besides

AD/HD that have similar symptoms.  But this problem occurs across the

board wherever you have cross-overs in relevant symptoms.  It's not

something that only occurs with AD/HD.



--

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Kitten, Goddess of Mischief



"Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never

forgotten this." - Anonymous

"Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your

living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude

for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:44:53 -0700

--------

goddess_kitten@my-deja.com wrote:



>In article <9jn0us8ik9n1j8mqdofu24gb6iqidu6doe@4ax.com>,

>  Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> "Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net> wrote:

>>

>> >Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew what the herbal alternative to

>> >ritalin is. any info would be helpful.

>>

>> For startrs, is the child TRULY hyperactive/ADD, or is the school

>> dosing them into chemical docility because the teacher expects

>> him/her to sit still for hours at a time?

>

>

>Schools cannot prescribe medications.  Period.  End of story.



  Schools make referrals to tame therapists who do the

prescribing for them.  Same difference.  



>>Or fidgety because of

>> inadequate play time at school?

>>

>> Can the child focus on a task they WANT to focus on, like model

>> building or coloring, for an age-appropriate length of time?  My

>> supposedly "hyperactive" nephew could spend hours quietly

>> drawing.  In class he was bored out of his mind because of the

>> teacher's lack of personality.

>>

>

>

>This *is* a relevant question.  If the child *can* focus on things s/he

>likes, s/he can be either AD/HD or bored.  It takes a doctor and a

>complete evaluation of both at-home behavior *and* at-school behavior.

>AD/HD children *can* focus on things in which they are interested.  If

>this focus is to the point that they don't seem to see/hear/notice

>anything else going on around them, it is called hyperfocusing.

>The ability to hyperfocus can be a part of AD/HD.  (Is s/he focusing so

>much on his/her book that s/he has to be lightly shaken to realize that

>you have been calling his/her name for the past five minutes?)  It can

>also be a dangerous tendency, dependent upon setting.  (Is the child

>focusing so much on the soccer ball that s/he chases it out into the

>street without noticing that s/he is going into the street?)

>

>The diagnosis of AD/HD is not something to be taken lightly.  And it is

>not something that unqualified persons should attempt to confirm or

>deny.





Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.support.attn-deficit

Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: goddess_kitten@my-deja.com

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:14:36 GMT

--------

*crossposted to alt.support.attn-deficit for clarification on due

process in determination of AD/HD*



In article <u1t4us8rtbakid7rbo0rt3scmksi1ldsaa@4ax.com>,

  Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> goddess_kitten@my-deja.com wrote:

>

> >In article <9jn0us8ik9n1j8mqdofu24gb6iqidu6doe@4ax.com>,

> >  Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >> "Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net> wrote:

> >>

> >> >Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew what the herbal alternative

to

> >> >ritalin is. any info would be helpful.

> >>

> >> For startrs, is the child TRULY hyperactive/ADD, or is the school

> >> dosing them into chemical docility because the teacher expects

> >> him/her to sit still for hours at a time?

> >

> >

> >Schools cannot prescribe medications.  Period.  End of story.

>

>   Schools make referrals to tame therapists who do the

> prescribing for them.  Same difference.

>





No, they don't.  Teachers can advise parents that there seems to be a

problem in class with attention span, maintaining focus, remaining

seated during times when necessary, violent reactions, or any other

symptoms that may indicate problems at home, AD/HD, some food allergies,

or a myriad other things.  It is then up to the parents to determine

what is to be the next step in resolving the issues.



The teachers do *not* make referrals to therapists.



--

Light, Love, & Laughter,

Kitten, Goddess of Mischief



"Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never

forgotten this." - Anonymous

"Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your

living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude

for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui





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Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: "J. Clarke" <nospam1@nospam1.nospam1>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:05:37 -0400

--------

<goddess_kitten@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:8rvbok$688$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> *crossposted to alt.support.attn-deficit for clarification on due

> process in determination of AD/HD*

>

> In article <u1t4us8rtbakid7rbo0rt3scmksi1ldsaa@4ax.com>,

>   Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > goddess_kitten@my-deja.com wrote:

> >

> > >In article <9jn0us8ik9n1j8mqdofu24gb6iqidu6doe@4ax.com>,

> > >  Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >> "Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> >Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew what the herbal alternative

> to

> > >> >ritalin is. any info would be helpful.

> > >>

> > >> For startrs, is the child TRULY hyperactive/ADD, or is the school

> > >> dosing them into chemical docility because the teacher expects

> > >> him/her to sit still for hours at a time?

> > >

> > >

> > >Schools cannot prescribe medications.  Period.  End of story.

> >

> >   Schools make referrals to tame therapists who do the

> > prescribing for them.  Same difference.

> >

>

>

> No, they don't.  Teachers can advise parents that there seems to be a

> problem in class with attention span, maintaining focus, remaining

> seated during times when necessary, violent reactions, or any other

> symptoms that may indicate problems at home, AD/HD, some food allergies,

> or a myriad other things.  It is then up to the parents to determine

> what is to be the next step in resolving the issues.

>

> The teachers do *not* make referrals to therapists.



Let's say _should_ not.  But that's not a problem with ADHD or with meds,

it's a problem with the school or the teacher.  But this sort of thing if it

occurs at all is the exception and not the rule.



In any case, if the school is forcing a student to take medication without

the parent's consent, then I suspect that upon hearing the tale any lawyer's

eyes will light up with visions of the luxurious life he is going to lead

courtesy of the school district.



And remember, so far nobody has taken MarkProbe up on his standing offer to

pay the legal fees in such a lawsuit.



--

---

---John



reply to jclarke at eye bee em dot net











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.support.attn-deficit

Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:16:49 -0700

--------

goddess_kitten@my-deja.com wrote:



>*crossposted to alt.support.attn-deficit for clarification on due

>process in determination of AD/HD*

>

>In article <u1t4us8rtbakid7rbo0rt3scmksi1ldsaa@4ax.com>,

>  Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> goddess_kitten@my-deja.com wrote:

>>

>> >In article <9jn0us8ik9n1j8mqdofu24gb6iqidu6doe@4ax.com>,

>> >  Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> >> "Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew what the herbal alternative

>to

>> >> >ritalin is. any info would be helpful.

>> >>

>> >> For startrs, is the child TRULY hyperactive/ADD, or is the school

>> >> dosing them into chemical docility because the teacher expects

>> >> him/her to sit still for hours at a time?

>> >

>> >

>> >Schools cannot prescribe medications.  Period.  End of story.

>>

>>   Schools make referrals to tame therapists who do the

>> prescribing for them.  Same difference.

>>

>

>

>No, they don't.  Teachers can advise parents that there seems to be a

>problem in class with attention span, maintaining focus, remaining

>seated during times when necessary, violent reactions, or any other

>symptoms that may indicate problems at home, AD/HD, some food allergies,

>or a myriad other things.  It is then up to the parents to determine

>what is to be the next step in resolving the issues.

>

>The teachers do *not* make referrals to therapists.



  I do not know which state/district you are in, but around here

the teachers CAN send the kid to the school shrink who CAN

strongly recommend that the child be doped into docility.  



  



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.support.attn-deficit

Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: Ann <annbal@thecia.net>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:02:14 -0400

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> expounded:



>I do not know which state/district you are in, but around here

>the teachers CAN send the kid to the school shrink who CAN

>strongly recommend that the child be doped into docility.  



And, of course, you conveniently left out which state/district *you*

are in.  



Doped into docility....gee, I wonder what your agenda is?



-- 

Ann

annbal@thecia.net





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: "Rose" <roseherr@stargate.net>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:16:24 -0400

--------

So called ADD may be a natural temperamental difference. (ie our society

currently values certain temperamental characteristics and labels anything

else "abnormal"). Try identifying the child's strengths and building on

those. For example, ADD is associated with genius. People with ADD make good

managers because of their ability to switch tasks quickly. They make poor

bookkeepers because they need more stimulation and variety.

I would definitely try enrolling him in a martial arts class. It has been

shown that kids in martial arts classes improve their grade average, ot to

mention the confidence boost.

I used to work with a psychiatrist who prescribed meditation for kids and

adults who met the criteria for ADD (DSM IV).

Finally, research diet and things like food additives. Many of these things

cause lids to bounce off the walls.

Rose

"Tsu Dho Nimh" <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:rin0usgot38g1f33e2bo8ei3ge1ugboe26@4ax.com...

> "Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net> wrote:

>

> >Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew what the herbal alternative to

ritalin is. any info would be helpful.

> >thanks

> >Lady Wendy

> >Bright Blessings

> >ladywendy@knology.net

> >

> >

>

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like

> politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or

> your kid and run for your life.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs instead of Ritalin

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:11:35 -0400

--------



"Rose" <roseherr@stargate.net> wrote in message

news:su69vvm9pkcue2@corp.supernews.com...

Many of these things

> cause lids to bounce off the walls.

> Rose



   Woo, I got SUCH a strange mental image from this before I realized it was

a typo- I've been doing a lot of canning recently, but my lids just bounce

off the floors- I'm just not that hyper in the kitchen! (LOLOL)

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help!

From: "Rebecca" <BubbaCat@mwt.net>

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 07:07:14 -0500

--------

A year and a half ago, I received a whiplash on the left side of my neck. We

don't have insurance, so there's been no follow up since the initial exams.

The pain has gotten pretty bad again, & rather than live on aspirin or

ibuprofen, I was hoping someone might be able to suggest something. My

husband takes glucosamine for joint problems. Would that work?



TIA

Rebecca









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help!

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:48:43 -0700

--------



Hi Rebecca -



I'm sorry to hear you're having problems with your neck, I had whiplash

myself from a rear-ender a few years ago.  Your pain might be from spasming

muscles, inflammation, or a pinched nerve.



If you are having pain, numbness, or tingling down your arm or in your hand,

you might have a bulging or herniated disc.  This could be serious, and you

should really consider seeking medical attention if you're having symptoms

like these.



If you aren't having any the previous symptoms, you may be having muscular

spasming or inflammation.  For muscle spasming, you may find that moist heat

like you get while taking a shower or bath is helpful.  If this is so, you

may also find a heating pad or hot packs will help as well.  Massage can

also be very effective at helping tight muscles, but be gentle and stay

within what's reasonably comfortable.  Some folks have found valerian

capsules or tincture help relax muscles.  If you have low blood pressure,

you may not want to use valerian, since it can lower blood presure.



You may find for inflammation that ice applied to the side and back of the

neck may help.  Be sure to wrap the ice pack in a towel and only use for 15

minutes at a time to prevent frostbite.  I've used QBC Plex as a nutritional

aid to reduce inflammation, and a mixture of tumeric (curcumin) and ginger

is also sold in capsules.  Both of these have been proven by study to help

reduce inflammation, and I have personally had reasonably good results from

them.  There's some research that indicates that supplementing with Omega-3

fatty acids will also help reduce inflammation, so I include a flax seed

supplement as well.



You may also find that doing some stretches and neck exercises are helpful.

I highly recommend the book 'Treat your own Neck" by Robin A. McKenzie, both

for the self-treatment plan and the excellent discussion of causes of neck

pain.  It's not expensive ($10US).  You may be able to find it in a local

bookstore, or if nothing else amazon.com has it on back order.



Hope this helps,



Nancy







"Rebecca" <BubbaCat@mwt.net> wrote in message

news:msZD5.765$qR3.363384@homer.alpha.net...

> A year and a half ago, I received a whiplash on the left side of my neck.

We

> don't have insurance, so there's been no follow up since the initial

exams.

> The pain has gotten pretty bad again, & rather than live on aspirin or

> ibuprofen, I was hoping someone might be able to suggest something. My

> husband takes glucosamine for joint problems. Would that work?

>

> TIA

> Rebecca

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: harvest herbs

From: "Doris Harkness" <jbhark3@txucom.net>

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:51:28 -0700

--------

We live in East Texas about 120 miles northeast of Houston and 70 miles from

the Louisiana



state line. Our temperature seldom gets below freezing and then is only a

day or two.



This is my first year to try a herb garden and I have been extremely pleased

in the results.



I have rosemary, thyme, chives, horehound, aloe vera and basil. All the

plants are healthy and productive.



How do I harvest them for the winter? Will the winter cold kill them and

will any of them come



back next year?



I just made tea from horehound, someone told me it is good for colds.













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: harvest herbs

From: "loki" <loki@inlink.com>

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:32:59 -0500

--------

Basil is an annual and will not come back after a freeze.  Aloe Vera

probably won't take a freeze either - I grow mine in a pot and bring it in.



The rest will come back year after year.  The rosemary, thyme and chives

will probably be harvestable all winter long so I'd just cut and use as

needed.  I'm less certain about the horehound.  Mine dies back in the

winter.



Horehound makes wonderful coughdrops.  It's basically glass candy with

horehound tea used instead of water in making the syrup.



Loki



"Doris Harkness" <jbhark3@txucom.net> wrote in message

news:8rqc6a$fdo@atlas.lcc.net...

> We live in East Texas about 120 miles northeast of Houston and 70 miles

from

> the Louisiana

>

> state line. Our temperature seldom gets below freezing and then is only a

> day or two.

>

> This is my first year to try a herb garden and I have been extremely

pleased

> in the results.

>

> I have rosemary, thyme, chives, horehound, aloe vera and basil. All the

> plants are healthy and productive.

>

> How do I harvest them for the winter? Will the winter cold kill them and

> will any of them come

>

> back next year?

>

> I just made tea from horehound, someone told me it is good for colds.

>

>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: sinus

From: "Doris Harkness" <jbhark3@txucom.net>

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:00:31 -0700

--------

I recently  had pneumonia as a result of sinus infection. Any herbal

remedies for sinus infection?









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sinus

From: "Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net>

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:48:46 -0400

--------

also try to get a hold of some honey made from local bees in your area and

take a tsp. every day this will help your body become  accustomed(sp) to the

pollens in your area which are causing your sinus problems.

this really works,

Bright Blessings

Lady Wendy

Doris Harkness <jbhark3@txucom.net> wrote in message

news:8rqcn8$9s8@atlas.lcc.net...

>I recently  had pneumonia as a result of sinus infection. Any herbal

>remedies for sinus infection?

>

>









==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sinus

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 12:11:54 -0700

--------

"Doris Harkness" <jbhark3@txucom.net> wrote:



>I recently  had pneumonia as a result of sinus infection. Any herbal

>remedies for sinus infection?



Take echinacea AND any one or more of the following as soon as

you detect an infection:  thyme, myrrh, barberry (substitutes for

the endangered goldenseal)





Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sinus

From: Debbie Huffman <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:27:46 GMT

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

 

> "Doris Harkness" <jbhark3@txucom.net> wrote:

 

> >I recently  had pneumonia as a result of sinus infection. Any herbal

> >remedies for sinus infection?

> 

> Take echinacea AND any one or more of the following as soon as

> you detect an infection:  thyme, myrrh, barberry (substitutes for

> the endangered goldenseal)



We had a couple of discussions here a while back about thyme and/or

oregano oil.  The oregano worked for me.  One drop [on a sugar cube,

it's nasty].  Gee, mebbee I need to go subject myself to that, with the

year's first cold snap in full wet force, I'm trying to come down with

something....



-Kyra





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sinus

From: Linda N <lindan@worldshare.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:33:18 GMT

--------

In article <plh1usc3kqusorj6v4nu0qp67fp5ag1c40@4ax.com>,

  Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Doris Harkness" <jbhark3@txucom.net> wrote:

>

> >I recently  had pneumonia as a result of sinus infection. Any herbal

> >remedies for sinus infection?

>

> Take echinacea AND any one or more of the following as soon as

> you detect an infection:  thyme, myrrh, barberry (substitutes for

> the endangered goldenseal)

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh



There was a study recently done by the Mayo

Clinic that concluded that the majority of sinus infections are caused

by fungi, not bacteria. (I've come across this information in at

least 2 health oriented lists on the internet so far and if I

thought the subject was going to come up again, I would have saved

the posts.)



I like garlic cocktails myself, as detailed in Paul Bergner's book "The

Healing Power of Garlic."  Only since I am viciously sensitive to

alcohol and other ferments, I delete the vinegar and wine from the

recipie, substitute an equal amount of plain water, and add some

ascorbic acid crystals. The recipie is cheap and effective.  And tastes

pretty good too!



The original recipie as found in the book is as follows:



"Three cloves of garlic

1 tablespoon red wine

1 tablespoon vinegar

1 tablespoon olive oil



Blend well in a blender. Add one quarter cup hot water. Let stand 3

hours. Do not strain. Add one third of this to a cup of hot water. Take

another dose every 3-6 hours until it is all gone."



pg.207 "The Healing Power of Garlic", Paul Bergner, Prima Publishing,

1996, ISBN 0-7615-0098-7



[In "The Healing Power of Echinacea, Goldenseal & Other Immune System

Herbs" Mr. Berger states to let it stand for 6 hours...I prefer about 4]



I double the recipie, substitute 4 tablespoons of water for the (doubled

amount of) wine and vinegar, and add 3/4 teaspoon ascorbic acid

crystals.



It may not extract all the properties of the garlic with not using the

wine and vinegar but then again raw garlic alone is pretty good

antibacteral/antifungal agent alone.  Just harder on the stomach.



One dose measures out to about 2 1/3 tablespoons to be put in another

cup of hot water as directed.  The concoction is to be used within a

day.  Another fresh batch has to be made the next day and for each day

you plan to use the coctail.



Mr. Berger is right in that it tastes a bit like drinking salad

dressing, and I find I could get easily addicted to the stuff! ;-)

Obviously if anyone has any serious infections they should see a

physician. However,for me, this coctail is cheap cheap cheap and works

well for most minor infections and flus like a charm.



Peace,

Linda

--

Learn more about MCS at CIIN  http://ciin.org/

"The Lord hath created medicines out of the earth;

and he that is wise will not abhor them."

Ecclesiasticus 38:4





Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Before you buy.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sinus

From: roseann4357@my-deja.com

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:11:51 GMT

--------

In article <8rqcn8$9s8@atlas.lcc.net>,

  "Doris Harkness" <jbhark3@txucom.net> wrote:

> I recently  had pneumonia as a result of sinus infection. Any herbal

> remedies for sinus infection?

>

> It is good ideal to eliminate dairy products from the diet. They

often promote muscus & sinus congestion. Regards.





Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Before you buy.





==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sinus

From: "Evelyn Ruut" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:35:58 -0400

--------



Doris Harkness <jbhark3@txucom.net> wrote in message

news:8rqcn8$9s8@atlas.lcc.net...

> I recently  had pneumonia as a result of sinus infection. Any herbal

> remedies for sinus infection?





There is a product available in the drugstore called Alkalol.   You can

snuff it up your nose and then blow it out.   It disinfects and washes away

allergens and dust which tends to increase the frequency of infections.  It

contains some herbal oils which tend to increase the flow of mucus and allow

the passages to rinse themselves.



You can also take the following herbs for infection;



Astragalus and Echinacea - immune boosters.



Golden Seal will open the passages a little, but since it is an endangered

plant, there are other things that will do that just as well, including over

the counter medications.



I have been battling this problem for a long time myself.



Regards,

Evelyn













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sinus

From: <tania@mysticnaturals.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:33:41 -0400

--------

Eucalyptus in a steam works quite well.  Echinacea bothers me - possibly

allergic.



--------------------------------------------------

Tania Tyler

http://www.mysticnaturals.com





> Doris Harkness <jbhark3@txucom.net> wrote in message

> news:8rqcn8$9s8@atlas.lcc.net...

> > I recently  had pneumonia as a result of sinus infection. Any herbal

> > remedies for sinus infection?











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: enviromental toxins in herbs and supplements

From: "eric" <errock@rcn.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 07:23:50 -0400

--------

hi guys,

when evaulating whether a supplement contains enviromental toxins,

such as heavy metals,

dioxin,

pesticides,

ect..

what criteria should be used?

which companies are best in this area.

am I being paranoid or ridiculous?











==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: enviromental toxins in herbs and supplements

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:45:38 +0300

--------

"eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote:



>when evaulating whether a supplement contains enviromental toxins,

>such as heavy metals,

>dioxin,

>pesticides,

>ect..

>what criteria should be used?



If you pick or grow your own herbs, don't pick too close to roads, factories,

non-organically grown crops, etc.



>which companies are best in this area.

>am I being paranoid or ridiculous?



Before you ask about supplements and herbs, you should ask yourself the same

questions about the foods you eat. In comparison, the amounts found in herbs

(and supplements, usually) are negligible.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland      http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: enviromental toxins in herbs and supplements

From: trice <gudrun@ciris.net>

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 09:06:21 -0500

--------

eric wrote:

> 

> hi guys,

> when evaulating whether a supplement contains enviromental toxins,

> such as heavy metals,

> dioxin,

> pesticides,

> ect..

> what criteria should be used?

> which companies are best in this area.

> am I being paranoid or ridiculous?



probably not a problem unless you consume large quantities - as in food.

i don't know what you are ingesting, but try doing a search under

"environmental restoration" and "phytoremediation" for which plant

species are most likely to accumulate what. the europeans are way ahead

of us in using plants to clean up contaminated sites (i'm from u.s.). 

all my notes are packed away or i'd look this up for you.



patricia



patricia





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: enviromental toxins in herbs and supplements

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 09 Oct 2000 14:20:52 GMT

--------

>what criteria should be used?

>which companies are best in this area.

>am I being paranoid or ridiculous?

>

>



If you are being paranoid then so am I. Haven't taken pills or capsules in

years because I want to know what I'm eating. Don't know what criteria you

could use but perhaps buy from a small supplier? Somebody close to home that

uses their own products. Not many folks are willing to knowingly poison

themselves.



Belinda





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: enviromental toxins in herbs and supplements

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:16:38 -0700

--------



Hello Yez -



Thanks so much for posting this link - it's gone into my 'Favorites' list.

The number of herbal products and supplements that either have

cross-contaminants like pesticides or heavy metals, or just don't have

enough of the active ingredient they're selling, emphasize the need for

quality control testing.  It's good to know that there's an impartial

organization doing this kind of testing.



Thanks,



Nancy









"Yez" <yezelel@pacbell.net> wrote in message

news:39E1DB17.19EB0C3D@pacbell.net...

> Eric,

>

> I just started taking a ginseng/astragalus extractum to prepare for

> flu season, the little straw is pushed through the center of the lid

> to use, this made me paranoid of lead in the cap. While trying to find

> out the saftey of my chosen brand I found http://www.consumerlabs.com/

> They have tested several popular supplements and I hope they do more!

>

> 'rena

>

> eric wrote:

> >

> > hi guys,

> > when evaulating whether a supplement contains enviromental toxins,

> > such as heavy metals,

> > dioxin,

> > pesticides,

> > ect..

> > what criteria should be used?

> > which companies are best in this area.

> > am I being paranoid or ridiculous?









==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: enviromental toxins in herbs and supplements

From: "eric" <errock@rcn.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:26:20 -0400

--------

> The number of herbal products and supplements that either have

> cross-contaminants like pesticides or heavy metals, or just don't have



what makes you say this? like what products for example?











==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: enviromental toxins in herbs and supplements

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:53:24 -0700

--------



Hi Eric -



If you'll look on the consumer lab's page at:



http://www.consumerlabs.com/results/ginseng.html



You'll find that only 9 of 22 commercial ginseng preparations passed

testing, some for contamination with pesticides, others for low

concentrations of ginsenosides.  They gave the names of the products that

passed, but not the ones that failed, so unfortunately I can't specifically

answer your question as to which products are effected.



Nancy



"eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message

news:8rte1s$l14$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

> > The number of herbal products and supplements that either have

> > cross-contaminants like pesticides or heavy metals, or just don't have

>

> what makes you say this? like what products for example?











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: sinus/oregano

From: "George Lagergren" <	George.Lagergren@NoSpamgratisnet.com>

Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2000 15:31:18 

--------





	"Doris Harkness" <jbhark3@txucom.net>  wrote:     10-09-00  01:00  

Do> I recently  had pneumonia as a result of sinus infection. Any

Do> herbal remedies for sinus infection?  



Tsu Dho Nimh  replied:

Ts> Take echinacea AND any one or more of the following as soon as 

Ts> you detect an infection:  thyme, myrrh, barberry (substitutes for

Ts> the endangered goldenseal)



Debbie Huffman <kyra@flash.net>  replied:

DH> We had a couple of discussions here a while back about thyme and/or

DH> oregano oil.  The oregano worked for me.  One drop [on a sugar cube,

DH> it's nasty].  Gee, mebbee I need to go subject myself to that, with

DH> the year's first cold snap in full wet force, I'm trying to come down

DH> with something....



    I heard a radio info commerical touting the benefits of eating

    oregano.  Is it really a good herb for many ills?



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Subject: Receding gum.. can I stop it? Regrow gum tissue?

From: "Acacia" <kaul@attglobal.net>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:34:47 -0400

--------

Hello Everyone,



First of all I would like to thank everyone who takes time to answer my

questions.



My gum around one tooth is really high. I would like to know if there is

ANYTHING  I can do to reverse this.



If not, what can I use to prevent further problmes.  Right now it is quite

sensitive. I am only 29 and never thought I would have to deal with tooth

problems so soon!!!!



THanks a lot.



Acacia









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Subject: Re: Receding gum.. can I stop it? Regrow gum tissue?

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:47:33 -0700

--------



Hi Acacia -



I had a problem with receding gums, and my naturopath gave me a  folic acid

supplement.  That along with a good cleaning at the dentist helped my gums

come back.



Nancy





"Acacia" <kaul@attglobal.net> wrote in message

news:39e1e773_1@news1.prserv.net...

> Hello Everyone,

>

> First of all I would like to thank everyone who takes time to answer my

> questions.

>

> My gum around one tooth is really high. I would like to know if there is

> ANYTHING  I can do to reverse this.

>

> If not, what can I use to prevent further problmes.  Right now it is quite

> sensitive. I am only 29 and never thought I would have to deal with tooth

> problems so soon!!!!

>

> THanks a lot.

>

> Acacia

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Receding gum.. can I stop it? Regrow gum tissue?

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:06:30 GMT

--------



"N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote in message

news:TloE5.25736$F65.1619913@nntp2.onemain.com...

> Hi Acacia -

> I had a problem with receding gums, and my naturopath gave me a  folic

acid

> supplement.  That along with a good cleaning at the dentist helped my gums

> come back.

> Nancy



> "Acacia" <kaul@attglobal.net> wrote in message

> news:39e1e773_1@news1.prserv.net...

> > My gum around one tooth is really high. I would like to know if there is

> > ANYTHING  I can do to reverse this.



Encourage you, if you already haven't, to see a *good* dentist.

Periodontitis is a pretty serious gum disease, 'specially if left unchecked.

They have tools and methods to clean where you can't.  They can also check

for "pockets". There are some dentists out there with a slant for

alternatives (more than doctors in my experience).  Try and find one if you

don't have one.  Interview them if you have to.



> > If not, what can I use to prevent further problmes.  Right now it is

quite

> > sensitive.



For good reason - I have 2 teeth like so due to my failure to take care of

them when I was younger.  (Have always had problems with teeth anyhow as my

Mom took the antibiotic tetracycline when she was pregnant with me - they

*didn't know* the effects on the fetus back then).



However, the folic acid Katherine mentioned will probably help, as will

vitamin C.



If you are a smoker, you may not get very good results with anything you try

(ex-smoker myself), not insurmountable, but just not as good as you could.



You can do daily rinses with myrrh to help with the germs (health food

stores have some pre-made rinses that are quite nice and have lots of the

good botanicals in them - be prepared to PAY for them though, they're not

*cheep*)  which can add to the deterioration.  Clove oil does help with the

pain, but it is so short lived I found it wasn't worth the effort.  Getting

them as healthy as you can will be, though.



I am only 29 and never thought I would have to deal with tooth

> > problems so soon!!!!



Hey, at least you are dealing with it.  Keep it up.  There's hope.  Learn

about it from your dentist and your own research.  Get on the web and surf.

Give your teeth your attention and they will thrive as best as they can.



There is also a lot of oral products coming out with the herb neem in them.

Have just given this a cursory search as far as use.  There was a poster who

gave a pretty good website for the Neem a while back - maybe someone saved

it or it's still available.



I'm still trying to get my Neem book back from a neighbor, but the website

given was just as useful as the book I had.



Good luck, Acacia!

Simple









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Subject: Re: Receding gum.. can I stop it? Regrow gum tissue?

From: "eric" <errock@rcn.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:47:16 -0400

--------



> For good reason - I have 2 teeth like so due to my failure to take care of

> them when I was younger.  (Have always had problems with teeth anyhow as

my

> Mom took the antibiotic tetracycline when she was pregnant with me - they

> *didn't know* the effects on the fetus back then).





do you know how to get the tetracycline out of your bones?









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Subject: Re: Receding gum.. can I stop it? Regrow gum tissue?

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:03:58 -0700

--------



Hi Acacia -



The stuff is called Folirinse, made by Scientific Botanicals in Seattle.

You put 5 drops of the stuff in a quarter cup of water and rinse with it,

then swallow.  Each drop provides (this is not a typo) 5 mg. of folic acid.

I'm not sure how easy it would be to get without going through some kind of

health professional.



I will say, though, that this amount of folic acid should only be used if

you're sure you're getting enough B12.  Folic acid can mask the symptoms of

a B12 deficiency and thus delay treatment - one reason why supplements don't

usually have this high a concentration.



Hope this helps,



Nancy



"Acacia" <kaul@attglobal.net> wrote in message

news:39e25dc3_3@news1.prserv.net...

> Nancy,

> Thanks for the reply.

> Was the supplement the same as a folic acid pills I can buy at the Vitamin

> Shoppe?

>

> Thanks a lot.

> Acacia

>

> N. Katherine Wolfe <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote in message

> news:TloE5.25736$F65.1619913@nntp2.onemain.com...

> >

> > Hi Acacia -

> >

> > I had a problem with receding gums, and my naturopath gave me a  folic

> acid

> > supplement.  That along with a good cleaning at the dentist helped my

gums

> > come back.

> >

> > Nancy

> >

> >

> > "Acacia" <kaul@attglobal.net> wrote in message

> > news:39e1e773_1@news1.prserv.net...

> > > Hello Everyone,

> > >

> > > First of all I would like to thank everyone who takes time to answer

my

> > > questions.

> > >

> > > My gum around one tooth is really high. I would like to know if there

is

> > > ANYTHING  I can do to reverse this.

> > >

> > > If not, what can I use to prevent further problmes.  Right now it is

> quite

> > > sensitive. I am only 29 and never thought I would have to deal with

> tooth

> > > problems so soon!!!!

> > >

> > > THanks a lot.

> > >

> > > Acacia

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>









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Subject: Re: Receding gum.. can I stop it? Regrow gum tissue?

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 10 Oct 2000 01:48:14 GMT

--------

>My gum around one tooth is really high. I would like to know if there is

>ANYTHING  I can do to reverse this.

>

>If not, what can I use to prevent further problmes.  Right now it is quite

>sensitive. I am only 29 and never thought I would have to deal with tooth

>problems so soon!!!!

>

>THanks a lot.

>

>Acacia



You might try a drop of bloodroot tincture on your toothbrush, brush at least

twice a day with toothpaste then the bloodroot.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Receding gum.. can I stop it? Regrow gum tissue?

From: "Rose" <roseherr@stargate.net>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:01:06 -0400

--------

Yes, and also a drop of tea tree oil on your toothbrush occasioally. Tea

tree kills a lot of bacteria which can cause a "die off" reaction -- kind of

unpleasant-- so easy does it. I put a drop on the brush, then rinse the

brush under the faucet, then apply the toothpaste. The last time I visited

the dentist, they were amazed, especially since I hadn't had a cleaning i

several years. Very little plaque.

"Bilherbs" <bilherbs@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20001009214814.25667.00002747@ng-fi1.aol.com...

> >My gum around one tooth is really high. I would like to know if there is

> >ANYTHING  I can do to reverse this.

> >

> >If not, what can I use to prevent further problmes.  Right now it is

quite

> >sensitive. I am only 29 and never thought I would have to deal with tooth

> >problems so soon!!!!

> >

> >THanks a lot.

> >

> >Acacia

>

> You might try a drop of bloodroot tincture on your toothbrush, brush at

least

> twice a day with toothpaste then the bloodroot.

>

> Belinda









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Subject: Re: Receding gum.. can I stop it? Regrow gum tissue?

From: Kenneth Masner <kmasner+news@mediaone.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:36:57 GMT

--------

It is essential, of course, to emphasis good periodontic treatment,

and a good brushing and, especially, proper flossing technique and

routine.  Sonicare toothbrush is good at the gum lines.  Beyond that,

the herbal tips others have suggested, plus I don't think anyone has

mentioned co-enzyme 10 which seems to be valuable for preventing

gingivitis.  Andrew Weil's page has recommendations for amount.  Also,

if you start to get gumline cavities -- nasty stuff -- you can get a

prescription higher floride toothpaste supplement (Prevident?) that

you use a little bit of once a day.  But good periodontic tx and tooth

care including proper flossing technique are essential.  -- km



On Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:01:06 -0400, "Rose" <roseherr@stargate.net>

wrote:



>Yes, and also a drop of tea tree oil on your toothbrush occasioally. Tea

>tree kills a lot of bacteria which can cause a "die off" reaction -- kind of

>unpleasant-- so easy does it. I put a drop on the brush, then rinse the

>brush under the faucet, then apply the toothpaste. The last time I visited

>the dentist, they were amazed, especially since I hadn't had a cleaning i

>several years. Very little plaque.

>"Bilherbs" <bilherbs@aol.com> wrote in message

>news:20001009214814.25667.00002747@ng-fi1.aol.com...

>> >My gum around one tooth is really high. I would like to know if there is

>> >ANYTHING  I can do to reverse this.

>> >

>> >If not, what can I use to prevent further problmes.  Right now it is

>quite

>> >sensitive. I am only 29 and never thought I would have to deal with tooth

>> >problems so soon!!!!

>> >

>> >THanks a lot.

>> >

>> >Acacia

>>

>> You might try a drop of bloodroot tincture on your toothbrush, brush at

>least

>> twice a day with toothpaste then the bloodroot.

>>

>> Belinda

>







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Subject: Confusion about Echinacea Harvesting

From: fang@netcarrier.com (Michael Romagnoli)

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:47:27 GMT

--------



I've done a bit of research on harvesting echinacea, and I'm a bit

confused. (I have purpurea, BTW)



Commercial farmers, it seems, are given the recommendation of waiting

three years to harvest - primarily for root use it seems.



I have three books on herbs, but none mention waiting three years - is

this different for the home grower?



I grew some purpurea in a pot this yea (from transplants), and was

hoping to harvest it to make my own tincture.



When harvested after only one year, will the plant's extracts not be

strong enough to produce a good tincture?  Why, exactly, are

commerical growers told to wait three years?  Perhaps it is for the

best quantity of root per acre?



Thanks,



-Mike

fang27@excite.com





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Subject: Re: Confusion about Echinacea Harvesting

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:12:16 +0300

--------

fang@netcarrier.com (Michael Romagnoli) wrote:



>When harvested after only one year, will the plant's extracts not be

>strong enough to produce a good tincture?  Why, exactly, are

>commerical growers told to wait three years?  Perhaps it is for the

>best quantity of root per acre?



The root of a very young plant is rather small. You can make a tincture of the

aboveground parts, without having to wait for the plant to grow some more.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland      http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

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Subject: Re: Confusion about Echinacea Harvesting

From: fang@netcarrier.com (Michael Romagnoli)

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 04:59:40 GMT

--------

On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:12:16 +0300, Henriette Kress

<hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:



>fang@netcarrier.com (Michael Romagnoli) wrote:

>

>>When harvested after only one year, will the plant's extracts not be

>>strong enough to produce a good tincture?  Why, exactly, are

>>commerical growers told to wait three years?  Perhaps it is for the

>>best quantity of root per acre?

>

>The root of a very young plant is rather small. You can make a tincture of the

>aboveground parts, without having to wait for the plant to grow some more.





Meaning, it doesn't have enough substance to extract into a tincture?



I grew five plants, that despite being a bit crowded, have gotten to a

really nice size.  I grew them in very loose soil in a container so

that I could maximize retention of any roots.



-Mike







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Subject: Re: Confusion about Echinacea Harvesting

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:35:45 GMT

--------

"Michael Romagnoli" <fang@netcarrier.com> wrote in message

news:39e1e73e.11161442@news.netcarrier.com...

> I've done a bit of research on harvesting echinacea, and I'm a bit

> confused. (I have purpurea, BTW)



You may want to see if you can find Christopher Hobbs' book "The Echinacea

Handbook".  He discusses both commercial and garden in depth.



I don't have it, but have seen it.  It's the best book on this topic I have

ever seen.



Simple









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Maintaining Efficacy of Herbs

From: pledge2266@my-deja.com

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:25:57 GMT

--------

I've seen muira puama mentioned on the newsgroup a couple of times as a

libido-booster.  After letting it build up for a week or so, how often

should you take a break for the herb to maintain its efficacy?  Is there

a standard number of months, weeks, days generally recommended for muira

puama, or any herb, for that matter. I've noticed in the past that

taking an herb on a continual basis does not always produce the best

results. Thanks in advance.







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Subject: ashwagandha and breastfeeding

From: "Britta" <springsky@home.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:49:34 GMT

--------

can I take it and breastfeed?









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Subject: Queen Anne's Lace Root Source?

From: gdkoch@my-deja.com

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:26:32 GMT

--------

Greetings all!

A friend has asked about the availablity of Queen Anne's Lace root

powder in capsule form.  I checked Frontier and they do have Carrot

powder (Daucus carota), but I don't know if this is the cultivated

carrot or wild.



Has anyone anywhere a source for this root?



Thanks, Gale





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Subject: Re: Queen Anne's Lace Root Source?

From: "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:28:52 -0400

--------

I can only find the seeds for Queen Anne's Lace.   www.leavesandroots.com

under "Carrot Seed, Wild"  I have a couple of customers that grind them up

and capsulize them since they taste soooo odd.  According to  the J. L.

Hudson, seedsman catalog the wild carrot, queen anne's lace (daucus carota

var. carota), is an ancestor of the cultivated carrot  (Daucus carota var.

sativa).    That catalog is extremely useful by the way.  send $1 to J. H.

Hudson Seedsman.  Star Route 2, Box 337 La Honda, CA  94020.   No phone no

web page.

Opps and I just looked into my Penn Herb catalog and found Queen Anne's Lace

HERB, which is still not the root, but close anyway.  (www.pennherb.com)

Carolyn



<gdkoch@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8rt64v$fiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Greetings all!

> A friend has asked about the availablity of Queen Anne's Lace root

> powder in capsule form.  I checked Frontier and they do have Carrot

> powder (Daucus carota), but I don't know if this is the cultivated

> carrot or wild.

>

> Has anyone anywhere a source for this root?

>

> Thanks, Gale

>

>

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Subject: Re: Queen Anne's Lace Root Source?

From: gdkoch@my-deja.com

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:54:56 GMT

--------

Thanks Rose, and Carolyn too!



There is no shortage of this plant here, the woman who wants this

insists on buying it as a "product". (It was prescribed to her

husband by an intuitive healer thus: 3 small capsules per day with

meals, for a one-month duration for hormonal support.) Hence the search.





The Center for New Crops & Plants Products at Purdue University has this

to say inre. Daucus carota:



"Folk Medicine



Seeds are aromatic, carminative, diuretic, emmenagogue, and stimulant,

and are used for dropsy, chronic dysentery, kidney ailments, and worms.

Also as an aphrodisiac, a nervine tonic, and for uterine pain. Roots are

refrigerant and are used in infusion for threadworm. Diuretic, and

eliminating uric acid, carrots belong in the diet of gout-prone people.

Local stimulant for indolent ulcers; other ingredients of carrot lower

blood sugar; hence carrot might be increased to good advantage in

the prevention of cancer, diabetes, dyspepsia, and gout, possibly heart

disease. Elsewhere the root, prepared in various manners, is used for

tumors, cancerous ulcers, cancerous wounds, tumors of the testicles,

mammary carcinoma, and skin cancer. The juice of the root is applied to

carcinomatous ulcers of the neck and uterus, cancer of the bowels and

stomach cancer. Scraped roots are used to stimulate indolent ulcers.

Cancer-fearers may be reinforced by the knowledge that carrots are

relatively high in fiber, retinoid like substances, and the seeds also

contain the rather ubiquitous -sitosterol, which has shown activity in

Ca, LL, and WA tumor systems. Having heard from three different sources

that wild carrot seed were used as a morning-after contraceptive in

Pennsylvania, I was particularly interested to read that, "At doses of

80 and 120 mg/mouse, the seed extract, if given orally from day 4 to 6

post-coitum, effectively inhibits implantation." Experimentally

hypoglycemic, a tea made from Queen Anne's Lace was believed to help

maintain low blood sugar levels in humans, but it had no effect on

diabetes artifically induced in animals. Wild carrot tea has been

recommended for bladder and kidney ailment, dropsy, gout, gravel; seeds

are recommended for calculus, obstructions of the viscera, dropsy,

jaundice, scurvy. Carrots of one form or another were once served at

every meal for liver derangements; now we learn that they may upset the

liver."







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Subject: herbs for diabetes

From: "eric" <errock@rcn.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:09:01 -0400

--------

what is there?











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Subject: Re: herbs for diabetes

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 10 Oct 2000 01:45:47 GMT

--------

>what is there?



Is diabetes a male or female? How old? What do you want diabetes to do?



Belinda





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbal sources of chromium/vanidium

From: "eric" <errock@rcn.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:09:27 -0400

--------

are there?











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Subject: asian ginseng

From: "eric" <errock@rcn.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:48:10 -0400

--------

hey guys, how safe is asain ginseng?

Do i have to worry about it raising my blood pressure or making me all hyped

up?











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Subject: Re: asian ginseng

From: Alan Pollock <nexus@king.cts.com>

Date: 10 Oct 2000 05:05:42 GMT

--------

It'll make you post much more. Nex



eric <errock@rcn.com> wrote:

> hey guys, how safe is asain ginseng?

> Do i have to worry about it raising my blood pressure or making me all hyped

> up?









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Subject: Re: asian ginseng

From: "Sue Green" <sue@datadesign.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:20:57 +0100

--------

part of my homeopathic/herbal lifesavng tonic from the doc has something

called Junior Ginseng, cant remember the latin name, but I have it written

down. Perhaps you wanna try that first...



All I know its for my low Qi ...but I have a pile of 10 mixed together

including wild yam, st johns wort and a whole host of other chinese herbs in

there.



Sue







Alan Pollock wrote in message <8ru836$10mr$1@thoth.cts.com>...

>It'll make you post much more. Nex

>

>eric <errock@rcn.com> wrote:

>> hey guys, how safe is asain ginseng?

>> Do i have to worry about it raising my blood pressure or making me all

hyped

>> up?

>

>

>

>

>--









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lemon balm poll

From: haele_d@my-deja.com

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:29:37 GMT

--------

In article <39E38329.E536C9F2@mpinet.net>,

  ka&g <kaalga@mpinet.net> wrote:

> lemon balm: best used fresh or dry for tea?

>

> if you want to dry it for sleep pillows, how long (or short) a time is

> best?

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Definatly fresh for hot...the oils are stronger that way...:)



If making a "cold tea", brew the fresh leaves in hot water first or as

a sun tea, and then let cool.  I've found that the warmfeeling lemon

balm "kick" effect isn't as strong when made as cold refridgerator type

tea as it is when made hot, or when the leaves have been dried.



It's still tasty when the leaves are dried, tho...:)



Haele





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Subject: excersize endurance

From: "eric" <errock@rcn.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:30:26 -0400

--------

besides ma huang or similiar ephedrine or caffiene containing herbs,

is there anything one can use to get engery for excersize that will not

raise blood pressure, or not raise it too much?











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Subject: Re: excersize endurance

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:12:47 GMT

--------

"eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message

news:8s06ap$6qf$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

> besides ma huang or similiar ephedrine or caffiene containing herbs,

> is there anything one can use to get engery for excersize that will not

> raise blood pressure, or not raise it too much?



Do some research on Siberian ginseng (Eleutherococcus senticosus).  While

popping into some olympic sites discovered quite a few of the athletes use

this and it is acceptable to Olympic committees.



It is NOT like ephedra caffeine - which are stimulants.



Simple









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Subject: Re: excersize endurance

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:59:54 -0400

--------

   I would NOT recommend the use of any of those stimulants previous to

exercise. The stimulants increase your heart rate and may raise your BP.

Exercise does that much more. It just doesn't sound safe at all. You want a

warm up period, an exercise regime appropriate for your physical condition,

and a cool-down period. If you feel too tired, or lacking in energy for

exercise, try resting first, and then psych yourself up by exercising with

friends (I should take my own advice!), or try something gentler like tai

chi or yoga.

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

"eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message

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> besides ma huang or similiar ephedrine or caffiene containing herbs,

> is there anything one can use to get engery for excersize that will not

> raise blood pressure, or not raise it too much?

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: excersize endurance

From: "eric" <errock@rcn.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:57:18 -0400

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yes thats why i said besides caffiene and ephedra, im looking for something

besides CNS stimulants to give me energy,

you know, something that wouldnt adversly effect heart rate or bp, maybe

even lower them.





Wakefield <heretik@loa.com> wrote in message

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>    I would NOT recommend the use of any of those stimulants previous to

> exercise. The stimulants increase your heart rate and may raise your BP.

> Exercise does that much more. It just doesn't sound safe at all. You want

a

> warm up period, an exercise regime appropriate for your physical

condition,

> and a cool-down period. If you feel too tired, or lacking in energy for

> exercise, try resting first, and then psych yourself up by exercising with

> friends (I should take my own advice!), or try something gentler like tai

> chi or yoga.

> --

>

> -- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

> refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

> "eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message

> news:8s06ap$6qf$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

> > besides ma huang or similiar ephedrine or caffiene containing herbs,

> > is there anything one can use to get engery for excersize that will not

> > raise blood pressure, or not raise it too much?

> >

> >

> >

>

>









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Subject: Re: excersize endurance

From: "Sue Green" <sue@datadesign.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:40:18 +0100

--------

what about honey ???



This is what I was told:

To get energy out of sugar your body uses a pile of energy creatingn

insulin, the more sugar, the more insulin created and less energy saved.

Kinda self defeating. This includes brown sugar.



Honey however, is a gentle burst of energy that is easier on the body than

sugar





Sue





Wakefield wrote in message <8s0f3t$piv$1@news.loa.com>...

>   I would NOT recommend the use of any of those stimulants previous to

>exercise. The stimulants increase your heart rate and may raise your BP.

>Exercise does that much more. It just doesn't sound safe at all. You want a

>warm up period, an exercise regime appropriate for your physical condition,

>and a cool-down period. If you feel too tired, or lacking in energy for

>exercise, try resting first, and then psych yourself up by exercising with

>friends (I should take my own advice!), or try something gentler like tai

>chi or yoga.

>--

>

>-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

>refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

>"eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote in message

>news:8s06ap$6qf$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

>> besides ma huang or similiar ephedrine or caffiene containing herbs,

>> is there anything one can use to get engery for excersize that will not

>> raise blood pressure, or not raise it too much?

>>

>>

>>

>

>









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Subject: Re: excersize endurance

From: jc88@aol.com (JC88)

Date: 11 Oct 2000 18:51:44 GMT

--------

It's not a herb, but Creatine has held up under continuous scrutiny.  It gives

you a little added endurance and strength.  I would suggest the sublingual

liquid available at health food stores.



John

Certified Personal Trainer





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Subject: Re: excersize endurance

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:00:29 -0700

--------



Actually, whether creatine will help with endurance depends on what type of

endurance you're looking for.  Generally, the three types are anaerobic

endurance, periodic anaerobic endurance, and aerobic endurance.



There are also three different energy systems the body uses to generate

energy from food.  These are the immediate, glycolytic, and oxidative energy

systems. The immediate energy system uses ATP and creatine phosphate to

generate energy.  The glycolytic energy system breaks down glycogen for

energy, with a byproduct of lactic acid.  Rising levels of lactic acid, BTW,

is what causes you to "feel the burn" when you're working out.  The

oxidative energy system uses oxygen to break down glucose, fatty acids, and

protein for energy.



An anaerobic activity is any exercise where muscular exertion exceeds the

body's ability to supply that muscle with enough oxygen to metabolize the

glucose required to fuel the muscle.  Examples of anaerobic activity are

weightlifting and sprinting.  The limiting factors of anaerobic endurance

are the amounts of ATP, glycogen, and creatine phosphate in the muscle, and

the ability of the muscle to continue to contract in the presence of rising

levels of lactic acid.  Creatine helps regenerate ATP but is depleted in the

process, so it stands to reason that supplementation of it can improve

anaerobic endurance.  Sure enough, studies back this up; performance of

anaerobic activities improve with creatine supplementation.



Periodic anaerobic endurance refers to the ability to perform a succession

of anaerobic activities, with some short rest time between.  An example of

this might be an outfielder in a baseball game sprinting to catch a ball,

resting between hitters, then sprinting again to catch another ball.  Since

creatine is depleted with anaerobic activity, performance tends to decrease

with time, and we can see this with the reduced performance of an outfielder

in the later innings of an extra-innings game.  Certainly it makes sense

that creatine supplementation will help here, too, and studies have in fact

supported this assumption.



Aerobic endurance refers to the ability to continue to perform aerobic

activity for long periods of time.  Examples of an aerobic activity are

walking, or running at slow speeds for long distances, like walking or

running a marathon.  In this kind of activity oxygen is used to metabolize

glucose, and creatine is not used to regenerate ATP.  The energy derived

from the oxidative metabolism of glucose itself regenerates the ATP.  Since

creatine isn't exhausted in this type of activity, there doesn't seem to be

any advantage to be gained in supplementing it.  This view is supported by

studies done on long-distance cyclists; creatine supplementation didn't make

any appreciable difference in their performance.



So, this whole long essay can be condensed into two sentences:  Take

creatine to improve performance in activities like weightlifting, sprinting,

and generally any activity where you "feel the burn" or gasp for breath.  If

what you're looking for is endurance in long slow distance running, hiking,

distance cycling, or anything else that doesn't make you breathe heavily or

"feel the burn", then creatine isn't going to help, so don't bother taking

it.



Nancy





"JC88" <jc88@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20001011145144.17318.00001095@ng-fn1.aol.com...

> It's not a herb, but Creatine has held up under continuous scrutiny.  It

gives

> you a little added endurance and strength.  I would suggest the sublingual

> liquid available at health food stores.

>

> John

> Certified Personal Trainer









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Subject: cracked feet poultice (sp)

From: lvoce <lvoce_member@newsguy.com>

Date: 10 Oct 2000 17:04:18 -0700

--------

I was wondering if anyone might have a remedy for cracked heels.  Perhaps a

poultice (pardon the spelling)  I have tried everything *I* can think of and

thought perhaps someone might know of something I'm missing. Oh by the way, I'm

pregnant if that has anything to do with any herbs you might suggest.



Thank you so much,

Laurie







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Subject: Re: cracked feet poultice (sp)

From: simon J okeeffe <simon_okeeffe@gjames.com.au>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:39:30 +1000

--------

What about Lanolin. Vitamin E may help as well.



Simon





> I was wondering if anyone might have a remedy for cracked heels.  Perhaps a

> poultice (pardon the spelling)  I have tried everything *I* can think of and

> thought perhaps someone might know of something I'm missing. Oh by the way, I'm

> pregnant if that has anything to do with any herbs you might suggest.

>

> Thank you so much,

> Laurie







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Subject: Re: cracked feet poultice (sp)

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:14:12 GMT

--------

"simon J okeeffe" <simon_okeeffe@gjames.com.au> wrote in message

news:39EA4032.B13C7159@gjames.com.au...

> What about Lanolin. Vitamin E may help as well.

> Simon

>

>

> > I was wondering if anyone might have a remedy for cracked heels.

Perhaps a

> > poultice (pardon the spelling)  I have tried everything *I* can think of

and

> > thought perhaps someone might know of something I'm missing.

> > Laurie



Try daily warm water foot soaks with a combination epsom salt, baking soda

and borax (throw some favorite essential oil in there if you like -  we use

tea tree as if there are any open wounds it helps too and I like the smell).



After the foot soak take a dry washcloth and use it to massage and rub the

dry skin and give your feet a fantastic massage to stimulate circulation.



Then after all that pampering, try using straight castor oil (the vitamin E

in the above post is a good idea, could probably add that to the castor oil)

on the areas that are the worst - throw an old pair of absorbant socks on

(be careful!  If they don't absorb enough and you have slippery floors

you'll be scooting and sliding, maybe even falling!).



My Mom had cracked and she did this for five days faithfully - it really,

really helped.  She didn't have to do it daily after that, but once or twice

a week still because she still goes barefoot.  We *think* the carpeting

takes all the natural oils out of the skin of her feet - can't think of any

other reason.....



Simple









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Subject: Re: cracked feet poultice (sp)

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:14:28 -0400

--------

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:14:12 GMT, "Busy18" <busy18@home.com> wrote:



>Then after all that pampering, try using straight castor oil (the vitamin E

>in the above post is a good idea, could probably add that to the castor oil)

>on the areas that are the worst - throw an old pair of absorbant socks on

>(be careful!  If they don't absorb enough and you have slippery floors

>you'll be scooting and sliding, maybe even falling!).



This sounds really bizarre (and looks just as strange) but try putting

plastic bags on your feet before putting the socks on. Not only does

it create a little "sauna" action in there which seems to get whatever

goop you choose to use in there better, but it keeps your socks

cleaner. :-)



>My Mom had cracked and she did this for five days faithfully - it really,

>really helped.  She didn't have to do it daily after that, but once or twice

>a week still because she still goes barefoot.  We *think* the carpeting

>takes all the natural oils out of the skin of her feet - can't think of any

>other reason.....



Some people's feet are just weird. The worst cracked feet I ever had

were when I had bare (hardwood & vinyl) floors, and I was also living

in a rather damp house! You wouldn't think I'd dry out so much, but I

did. My hands cracked too. I'm just prone to it, so I'm careful.



Best thing I ever found for this condition was a commercial product

called Bag Balm. (Strangely, it's got lanolin in and I'm allergic to

lanolin, but I can use that. Go figure.) Common in the northeastern

US, it's a veterinary ointment meant for chapped dairy-cow teats. I

bought a pound tin of the stuff about ten years ago and it's still

going. I use it as a general purpose ointment for cuts and scrapes (I

accidentally put a knife through my hand many years ago and had

neither insurance nor money to go get it looked at. I packed the wound

with Bag Balm, wrapped it up, and hoped. Today I cannot find the scar

unless I hunt _very_ hard for it!), skin cracks, and extra-bad

chapping.



Mari





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Subject: Re: cracked feet poultice (sp)

From: heretik1211@my-deja.com

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:27:42 GMT

--------

   I agree with the Bag Balm. Lanolin is excellent stuff. You might be

able to work comfrey in there somewhere- either in the soaks (make an

infusion), or in an ointment. Just be sure the cracks aren't infected.

If they look like they need treatment with antibiotic ointment, that

might be better than comfrey salve, which is not generally sterile.

Another thought- diabetics need to be extra careful of their feet

because of risk of infectin and also circulatory problems. If the foot

troubles are persistent or if you suspect infection, it wouldn't hurt

to get a doc's opinion.

                                  LW

In article <v30muscenhfapmo7hqt2r81gmp6hs28pk6@4ax.com>,

  johnmari@gis.net wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:14:12 GMT, "Busy18" <busy18@home.com> wrote:

>

> >Then after all that pampering, try using straight castor oil (the

vitamin E

> >in the above post is a good idea, could probably add that to the

castor oil)

> >on the areas that are the worst - throw an old pair of absorbant

socks on

> >(be careful!  If they don't absorb enough and you have slippery

floors

> >you'll be scooting and sliding, maybe even falling!).

>

> This sounds really bizarre (and looks just as strange) but try putting

> plastic bags on your feet before putting the socks on. Not only does

> it create a little "sauna" action in there which seems to get whatever

> goop you choose to use in there better, but it keeps your socks

> cleaner. :-)

>

> >My Mom had cracked and she did this for five days faithfully - it

really,

> >really helped.  She didn't have to do it daily after that, but once

or twice

> >a week still because she still goes barefoot.  We *think* the

carpeting

> >takes all the natural oils out of the skin of her feet - can't think

of any

> >other reason.....

>

> Some people's feet are just weird. The worst cracked feet I ever had

> were when I had bare (hardwood & vinyl) floors, and I was also living

> in a rather damp house! You wouldn't think I'd dry out so much, but I

> did. My hands cracked too. I'm just prone to it, so I'm careful.

>

> Best thing I ever found for this condition was a commercial product

> called Bag Balm. (Strangely, it's got lanolin in and I'm allergic to

> lanolin, but I can use that. Go figure.) Common in the northeastern

> US, it's a veterinary ointment meant for chapped dairy-cow teats. I

> bought a pound tin of the stuff about ten years ago and it's still

> going. I use it as a general purpose ointment for cuts and scrapes (I

> accidentally put a knife through my hand many years ago and had

> neither insurance nor money to go get it looked at. I packed the wound

> with Bag Balm, wrapped it up, and hoped. Today I cannot find the scar

> unless I hunt _very_ hard for it!), skin cracks, and extra-bad

> chapping.

>

> Mari

>





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Subject: cancer miracle please

From: "Jewelweed Soap" <nature@edge.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:24:10 -0500

--------

My dad has advanced liver cancer, he is quite yellow and retaining a lot of

fluid. Still drives once a day and really being a trooper about the

situation, he is now ready to try alternative medicine. I have offered a few

suggestions but would like to know if anyone has had good results with

anything. Please advise and I'll research the information I get.

Thank you,

Karen Shelton

Manchester, TN

Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

http://altnature.com











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Subject: chemo and herbs

From: "Jewelweed Soap" <nature@edge.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:24:56 -0500

--------

Are there any herbs that should not be taken with chemotherapy?



--

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Manchester, TN

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Subject: Re: chemo and herbs

From: "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:43:11 -0400

--------

I have heard, and it makes sense, not to take Milk thistle seed while on

chemotherapy because it protects the liver from toxins -- and with

chemotherapy you are TRYING to get the toxin to the liver.

Carolyn



Jewelweed Soap <nature@edge.net> wrote in message

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> Are there any herbs that should not be taken with chemotherapy?

>

> --

> Karen Shelton

> Manchester, TN

> Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

> http://altnature.com

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: chemo and herbs

From: Linda N <lindax@netzero.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:53:49 GMT

--------

In article <8s1tk5$igg$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,

  "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com> wrote:

> I have heard, and it makes sense, not to take Milk thistle seed while

on

> chemotherapy because it protects the liver from toxins -- and with

> chemotherapy you are TRYING to get the toxin to the liver.

> Carolyn



Well according to Susun Weed in "Breast Cancer, Breast Health", pg 278



 "Milk thistle has been used medicinally for over 2000 years. It can

literally regenerate the liver. Use regularly, it protects the liver

from detrimental effects of chemotherapy, organochlorine pollution,

hormones, and free radical damage by increasing glutathione (a metabolic

enzyme) by 35%. One of the most important complementary medicines for

women choosing chemotherapy. Best taken on an empty stomach."



And British Herbalist, Andrew Chevallier has this to say about milk

thistle in "The Encylopedia of Medicinal Plants" pg. 7l



"...Today milk thistle is the main remedy used in Western herbal

medicine to protect the liver and its many metabolic activities, and

help renew its cells. The herb is used in the treatment of hepatitis and

jaundice, as well as in conditons where the liver is under

stress--whether from infection, excess, alcohol, or from chemotherapy

prescribed to treat diseases such as cancer. In this last instance, milk

thistle can help to limit damage done to the liver by chemotherapy and

speed up recovery from side effects once the treatment is completed."



I am no doctor, and certainly not yet an herbalist,  but I tend to think

along the same lines as these two herbalists above. Besides, it would

seem to me that not in all chemotherapy would you be trying to get the

chemotherapy "to the liver."  Only if you had liver cancer would you be

trying to do that. The liver is the organ that has to eventually

detoxify all chemicals no matter where they originate from or no matter

where they circulate in the body or they can do tremendous damage to the

body as a whole.



"...silymarin alters the structure of the outer cell membrane in

hepatocytes in such a way that liver poisons can't penetrate to the

inside of the cell; and secondly silymarin also stimulates the activity

of ribosomal protein synthesis. In this way the regenerating capacity of

the liver is excited and the new building of hepatocytes stimulated"



quoted from the Commission E. Monograph of Milk thistle seeds, pg. 26

"Milk Thistle, The Liver Herb" by Christopher Hobbs, L.Ac.



Maybe I am wrong but my thoughts on this is that since milk thistle

confines its flavinoid activity mostly to the liver, I can't see how it

would prevent chemotherapy from getting to other parts of the body.



Just my bad 2 cents worth.



Linda





> Jewelweed Soap <nature@edge.net> wrote in message

> news:su7g78k6u5r01@corp.supernews.com...

> > Are there any herbs that should not be taken with chemotherapy?

> >

> > --

> > Karen Shelton

> > Manchester, TN

> > Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

> > http://altnature.com

> >

> >

> >

>

>



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Subject: Re: chemo and herbs

From: "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:36:18 -0400

--------

Hi,   Linda probably has the better information.   I made the comment as two

women told me their doctors mentioned NOT to take milk thistle during their

chemotherapies.   I do not even remember the type of cancer. I generalized

too easily and lumped all chemotherapy together.  And of course doctors are

not always the best source of herbal information.  These particular doctors

had approved of the other herbs the women were taking and even suggested

nutritional help So I had assumed more knowledge on their part.

To atone for my too-quick suggestion I have actually looked it up....

A quote from "The A-Z Guide to Drug-Herb-Vitamin Interactions"

"Milk Thistle's major bioflavonoids, known collectively as silymarin, have

shown synergistic actions with the chemotherapy drugs Cisplatin and

doxorubicin in test tubes.  Silymarin also offsets the kidney toxicity of

cisplatin in animals.  Silymaris has not yet been studied in humans treated

with cisplatin.  There is some evidence the silymarin may not interfere with

some chemotherapy in humans with cancer."

.

Sorry .... I'll shut up until I know more......



Carolyn

Linda N <lindax@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:8sa6ja$t8d$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> In article <8s1tk5$igg$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,

>   "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com> wrote:

> > I have heard, and it makes sense, not to take Milk thistle seed while

> on

> > chemotherapy because it protects the liver from toxins -- and with

> > chemotherapy you are TRYING to get the toxin to the liver.

> > Carolyn

>

> Well according to Susun Weed in "Breast Cancer, Breast Health", pg 278

>

>  "Milk thistle has been used medicinally for over 2000 years. It can

> literally regenerate the liver. Use regularly, it protects the liver

> from detrimental effects of chemotherapy, organochlorine pollution,

> hormones, and free radical damage by increasing glutathione (a metabolic

> enzyme) by 35%. One of the most important complementary medicines for

> women choosing chemotherapy. Best taken on an empty stomach."

>



> Maybe I am wrong but my thoughts on this is that since milk thistle

> confines its flavinoid activity mostly to the liver, I can't see how it

> would prevent chemotherapy from getting to other parts of the body.

>

> Just my bad 2 cents worth.

>

> Linda

>

>

> > Jewelweed Soap <nature@edge.net> wrote in message

> > news:su7g78k6u5r01@corp.supernews.com...

> > > Are there any herbs that should not be taken with chemotherapy?

> > >

> > > --

> > > Karen Shelton

> > > Manchester, TN

> > > Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

> > > http://altnature.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Learn more about MCS at CIIN  http://ciin.org/

> "The Lord hath created medicines out of the earth;

> and he that is wise will not abhor them."

> Ecclesiasticus 38:4

>

>

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Subject: Re: chemo and herbs

From: "Jewelweed Soap" <nature@edge.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:36:18 -0500

--------

I think we are going to have to stop the chemo. He needs to eat more than he

needs that right now, and chemo kills appetite and gives him sores in the

mouth. After a year he still has pretty hair though.



Will try milk thistle in a week or two. I just came back from another

weekend trip there, my dad is not in pain but very lethargic. I have never

seen anyone go downhill so fast in 6 days. At times he wakes up and looks at

us siblings all together, smiles and drifts back off.

Thank you for your help and support during this time.



--

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Manchester, TN

Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

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Subject: Increasing milk supply

From: "AKM" <KosalyPanni@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:37:08 GMT

--------

I gave birth ten days ago to a beautiful baby girl, Isabel. To my great

grief, I am not able to give her my own milk because I still don't have

almost any. I can pump maybe a teaspoonful, but I definitely have to feed

her formula.

So, my question is, is there any herbal or homeopathic way to help my

situation. I am currently drinking the Mother's Milk tea and am taking

Fenugreek.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Anna









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Increasing milk supply

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:12:56 -0400

--------

On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:37:08 GMT, "AKM" <KosalyPanni@worldnet.att.net>

wrote:



>I gave birth ten days ago to a beautiful baby girl, Isabel. To my great

>grief, I am not able to give her my own milk because I still don't have

>almost any. I can pump maybe a teaspoonful, but I definitely have to feed

>her formula.

>So, my question is, is there any herbal or homeopathic way to help my

>situation. I am currently drinking the Mother's Milk tea and am taking

>Fenugreek.

>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

>Anna



The Mother's Milk tea contains everything my herb books recommend. :-)

Most often recommended were the fenugreek and fennel seed.



Valerie Ann Worwood's Enclyclopedia of Essential Oils recommends 15

drops fennel OR geranium essential oil OR 10 drops clary sage

essential oil diluted in 2 tablespoons good quality nut or vegetable

oil (that's a few days' worth at least), massaged liberally and firmly

but gently into the breasts twice a day. Wash it off before nursing.

Geranium oil smells really good, rather like roses. :-) The same book

recommends seeing a La Leche League consultant (but don't let them

guilt you out if you end up not being able to nurse, that happened to

a relative of mine!) and to keep trying - the continued stimulation

can help rev things up.



Mari





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Subject: Re: Increasing milk supply

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:38:22 -0700

--------



Hello Anna -



I have some thoughts you may or may have not considered, hope these are of

some use.  Are you getting enough water?  I would think that it would be

hard for your body to want to produce much milk if you were dehydrated.  Do

you let Isabel try to nurse?  It might be possible that you will get more

stimulation that way than by pumping.  There's an old trick I remember that

involves putting your hands in warm water to get your milk to let down.  I

don't know how stressed your feeling about nursing, but I would think that

it would be hard to let down if you were feeling stressed.  Every little bit

helps, if you just get a teaspoon of milk out, give it to her anyway, it

will help her.  You're probably doing this already, just thought I would

mention it.



Hope this helps,



Nancy





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news:EMUE5.1031$9T4.54832@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

> I gave birth ten days ago to a beautiful baby girl, Isabel. To my great

> grief, I am not able to give her my own milk because I still don't have

> almost any. I can pump maybe a teaspoonful, but I definitely have to feed

> her formula.

> So, my question is, is there any herbal or homeopathic way to help my

> situation. I am currently drinking the Mother's Milk tea and am taking

> Fenugreek.

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

> Anna

>

>









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Subject: Re: Increasing milk supply

From: "AKM" <KosalyPanni@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 03:01:17 GMT

--------

Thanks for all the suggestions! I am actually nursing my daughter with the

supplemental nursing system. It is a very clever contraption. A plastic

bottle is hanging around my neck with formula in it and two plastic tubes

very soft) are coming out of it, are attached to my nipples and she sucks

the breast and gets the formula from the bottle.

At least it allows for the nursing experience.

Well, thanks again!

Anna









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Subject: Re: Increasing milk supply

From: "Rose" <roseherr@stargate.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:49:15 -0400

--------

I've heard of women drinking beer (small amouts) to get things going.

"AKM" <KosalyPanni@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

news:EMUE5.1031$9T4.54832@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

> I gave birth ten days ago to a beautiful baby girl, Isabel. To my great

> grief, I am not able to give her my own milk because I still don't have

> almost any. I can pump maybe a teaspoonful, but I definitely have to feed

> her formula.

> So, my question is, is there any herbal or homeopathic way to help my

> situation. I am currently drinking the Mother's Milk tea and am taking

> Fenugreek.

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

> Anna

>

>









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Subject: Re: Increasing milk supply

From: P & J <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:57:30 GMT

--------

With one of my sons I took Borage leaves.  Boy did my milk come in.  



J



AKM wrote:

> 

> I gave birth ten days ago to a beautiful baby girl, Isabel. To my great

> grief, I am not able to give her my own milk because I still don't have

> almost any. I can pump maybe a teaspoonful, but I definitely have to feed

> her formula.

> So, my question is, is there any herbal or homeopathic way to help my

> situation. I am currently drinking the Mother's Milk tea and am taking

> Fenugreek.

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

> Anna





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Subject: punch alcoholic/non alcoholic

From: "Sue Green" <sue@datadesign.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:33:25 +0100

--------

does anyone have any good recipes for a warming winter punch/mulled wine



Looking for both alcoholic and non alcoholic - including loads of warming

herbs, clove, cinnamon, nutmeg etc





Sue













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Subject: Re: punch alcoholic/non alcoholic

From: "MtnMagicHerbs" <Mtnmagicherbs@uswest.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:54:23 -0600

--------

This is a recipe I have used when making May Day Wine, but it is quite

suitable for apple cider.  Very warming and spicy...



1/2 cup Cinnamon stick pieces

1/4 cup Ginger root

1 Tbsp. Cloves

1/4 cup dried Orange peel

2 Tbsp Allspice berries

1/4 cup Vanilla extract

2 Tbsp Star Anise

1/4 cup fresh or dried fruit (dried cranberries are nice)

1 bottle Red, White or Blush Wine, or Apple Juice, or just water.

Add the above ingredients to the liquid of your choice and warm gently for

20-30 minutes.  Strain before serving.



Jasper





Sue Green <sue@datadesign.co.uk> wrote in message

news:eUVE5.29199$Hd7.245427@monolith.news.easynet.net...

> does anyone have any good recipes for a warming winter punch/mulled wine

>

> Looking for both alcoholic and non alcoholic - including loads of warming

> herbs, clove, cinnamon, nutmeg etc

>

>

> Sue

>

>

>

>

>









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Subject: ? Healing cut

From: roseann4357@my-deja.com

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:14:06 GMT

--------

Seek suggestions healing cut. Few days ago have small accident-cut on

wrist-superficial but require 4 stiches.Very lucky no nerves or

ligaments cut. It is however sore & swollen. Seek suggestions for rapid

healing. Thanks.





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Subject: Re: ? Healing cut

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:55:11 -0700

--------

roseann4357@my-deja.com wrote:



>Seek suggestions healing cut. Few days ago have small accident-cut on

>wrist-superficial but require 4 stiches.Very lucky no nerves or

>ligaments cut. It is however sore & swollen. Seek suggestions for rapid

>healing. Thanks.



I have found that the less I do to cuts the faster they heal.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: ? Healing cut

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:31:11 +0300

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:



>roseann4357@my-deja.com wrote:

>>Seek suggestions healing cut. Few days ago have small accident-cut on

>>wrist-superficial but require 4 stiches.Very lucky no nerves or

>>ligaments cut. It is however sore & swollen. Seek suggestions for rapid

>>healing. Thanks.

>

>I have found that the less I do to cuts the faster they heal.  



But not everybody has a fast lymph system. So use calendula salve, that speeds

up healing. And drink tea made from mineral-rich herbs, like nettles, raspberry

leaf, green oats stems, horsetail, lady's mantle...



And St. John's wort oil or salve will help with the swelling.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: ? Healing cut

From: "eric" <errock@rcn.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:58:25 -0400

--------

> up healing. And drink tea made from mineral-rich herbs, like nettles,

raspberry

> leaf, green oats stems, horsetail, lady's mantle...



does rasberry leaf not block mineral absorption (due to tannin content?) or

is this just blueberry leaf (i know blueberry leaf blocks iron absorption, i

can only assume it blocks other minerals as well)











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Subject: Re: ? Healing cut

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:19:56 +0300

--------

"eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote:



>> up healing. And drink tea made from mineral-rich herbs, like nettles,

>raspberry

>> leaf, green oats stems, horsetail, lady's mantle...

>

>does rasberry leaf not block mineral absorption (due to tannin content?) or

>is this just blueberry leaf (i know blueberry leaf blocks iron absorption, i

>can only assume it blocks other minerals as well)



Raspberry leaf contains so much minerals that any amounts that are bound up in

any of the rose family astringents just don't matter.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: ? Healing cut

From: "Chris & Beth Jensen" <zillah@uninets.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:42:43 -0400

--------

Aloe Vera



<roseann4357@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:8s1lia$2ji$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Seek suggestions healing cut. Few days ago have small accident-cut on

> wrist-superficial but require 4 stiches.Very lucky no nerves or

> ligaments cut. It is however sore & swollen. Seek suggestions for rapid

> healing. Thanks.

>

>

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

> Before you buy.









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Subject: How do you restore adrenal function?

From: getup57@my-deja.com

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:03:05 GMT

--------

I was told that I have an underactive adrenal gland.  Are there foods

or herbs that I can consume to restore its function?





Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

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Subject: Re: How do you restore adrenal function?

From: "Sue Green" <sue@datadesign.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:44:24 +0100

--------

if thats the thyroid gland, there is a yoga posture that apparently

stimulates/regulates the hormones released...



Is that the same thing? Adrenal/thyroid???



Sue











getup57@my-deja.com wrote in message <8s1vf3$b5n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...

>I was told that I have an underactive adrenal gland.  Are there foods

>or herbs that I can consume to restore its function?

>

>

>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

>Before you buy.









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Subject: Re: How do you restore adrenal function?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:11:23 +0300

--------

"Sue Green" <sue@datadesign.co.uk> wrote:



>if thats the thyroid gland, there is a yoga posture that apparently

>stimulates/regulates the hormones released...

>

>Is that the same thing? Adrenal/thyroid???



No. Your adrenal glands are on top of your kidneys, and make adrenalin, among

other things. Your thyroid is on top of your collarbones, and makes thyroid

hormone, among other things.



One regulates your fight/flight response, the other regulates how fast your body

is living.



Adrenal function, now. Stop ALL caffeine. That includes chocolate and cola

drinks. Eat warm meals (quality please, not McDonald's) regularly, sleep

regularly and enough, and do some adaptogens, eg. ginseng, eleuthero, nettle

seeds, licorice ...



Cheers

Henriette



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To: errock@rcn.com

Subject: Good combo for diabetes

From: cambour@hotmail.com

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:35:29 GMT

--------

In article <8rtnit$35d$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,

  "eric" <errock@rcn.com> wrote:

> what is there?

>

>

Hi Eric! In my research I have found that the herbs listed below are a

good combination for diabetes. The following is a copyrighted excerpt

from my site:

=========================================================



Uva-Ursi: Uva-Ursi strengthens the urinary tract and helps prevent

kidney stones. It is a diuretic that helps cleanse toxic ketones from

the blood. It contains two actives, arbutin and quercitin. Arbutin

converts to an antiseptic for the urinary tract. Quercitin inhibits

aldose reductase (AR), which may be a factor in diabetic cataracts. It

also inhibits diabetic blood clots that cause strokes.



Fenugreek Seed: Fenugreek has been shown to have an anti-diabetic

effect, stimulating pancreatic function. It also improves

gastrointestinal tract function.



Gentian Root: Gentian helps strengthens the pancreas (the organ that

produces insulin), spleen and kidneys. Kidney failure is often a

complication of diabetes.



Huckleberry Leaves: Huckleberry is related to Uva-Ursi and has many

similar properties. Some studies have shown it to contain a natural

insulin compound which helps control blood sugar.



Raspberry Leaves: Raspberry leaf is a remedy for diarrhea, which

diabetics often suffer. Diabetics usually have slow-healing wounds and

ulcers. Raspberry leaf is an astringent, which helps to treat these.



Buchu: Buchu helps treat urinary tract disorders. It has been used to

treat diabetes for a long time.



You can also try: ginkgo biloba, bilberry, ginseng, beta carotene,

vitamin B-1, vitamin B-12, vitamin C, vitamin E, biotin, inositol,

niacin, calcium, chromium, magnesium, phosphorus, potassium, zinc

lozenges, brewers yeast, fiber.

=============================================================



Good luck!



Thalia C.

Herbal Home Remedies - free newsletter

http://www.herbalhomeremedies.com





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Subject: Re: Good combo for diabetes

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:22:59 +0300

--------

cambour@hotmail.com wrote:



>Uva-Ursi: Uva-Ursi strengthens the urinary tract and helps prevent

>kidney stones. It is a diuretic that helps cleanse toxic ketones from

>the blood. It contains two actives, arbutin and quercitin. Arbutin

>converts to an antiseptic for the urinary tract. Quercitin inhibits

>aldose reductase (AR), which may be a factor in diabetic cataracts. It

>also inhibits diabetic blood clots that cause strokes.



You _don't_ want to use uva-ursi long-term. That same arbutin which we convert

to hydroquinone leads to something called hydroquinone poisoning, if you use it

for more than, say, 10-14 days.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Herbs for high blood pressure and diabeties

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:18:22 -0700

--------



<cambour@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8s2gac$r1o$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> In article <20000927020920.17821.00001170@ng-fm1.aol.com>,

>   tinman229@aol.com (Tinman229) wrote:

>

> Hi Ernst! I have been researching herbs for both ailments. Here are

> some excerpts from my site that may help (copyrighted):



Some things that swim up from depths of my brain....



Celery juice, and watermelon or watermelon juice, are both diuretic.  Celery

juice is surprisingly good mixed in with some carrot juice and a bit of

parsley.  Use organic celery if you can find some, it has a much better

flavor. I've never had watermelon juice, but I can verify from personal

experience that watermelon is diuretic, and has an additive effect with

prescription diuretics.



I read somewhere (sorry, I'd need to do a web search to find out where),

that cinnamon has bioflavanoids in it that help stabilize blood sugar.

Usually cinnamon is used in sweet foods, but there are a good number of

middle eastern and eastern european recipes that use it as a savory spice

without sugar.



Hope this helps,



Nancy











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Subject: Herbal Remedy Labels

From: "Richard Parks" <rparks@inbizuk.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:32:20 +0100

--------

Hi All, I am wanting to pick your collective brains if you don't mind.  I

know that I am cross posting, but that is simply because I require some

information and this is the best way I know of obtaining it, so sorry, but I

had to do it.



I have a friend who is self employed, she sells herbal remedies (soap,

pills, ointments).  She has recently hear that a new EU law comes out in

November that requires some changes to be made to the labels of the

aforementioned products, the information that I require is this,



1) What are the changes that need to be made to the labels,

2) Will it affect her or does she escape the EU nightmare?



I would be grateful for any help, as you can imagine this is worrying her

quite a lot because as a small self employed person, she could loose

everything if she doesn't comply.



Thanks in advance,



Richard Parks.



















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Subject: Re: Herbal Remedy Labels

From: "Tessa" <tessa1@home.nl>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:02:55 GMT

--------



"Richard Parks" <rparks@inbizuk.demon.co.uk> schreef in bericht

news:971364712.24408.0.nnrp-09.c1edaf45@news.demon.co.uk...

> Hi All, I am wanting to pick your collective brains if you don't mind.  I

> know that I am cross posting, but that is simply because I require some

> information and this is the best way I know of obtaining it, so sorry, but

I

> had to do it.

>

> I have a friend who is self employed, she sells herbal remedies (soap,

> pills, ointments).  She has recently hear that a new EU law comes out in

> November that requires some changes to be made to the labels of the

> aforementioned products, the information that I require is this,

>

> 1) What are the changes that need to be made to the labels,

> 2) Will it affect her or does she escape the EU nightmare?

>

> I would be grateful for any help, as you can imagine this is worrying her

> quite a lot because as a small self employed person, she could loose

> everything if she doesn't comply.

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Richard Parks.

>

Hi Richard,

My parents have a wholesale trade in aromatherapie product and flower

essences. I know that you have to put the botanical names on the label and

where it comes from. It's not alloud to put MEDICAL CLAIMS on it for

example:

*it works against ...

you are only alloud to say that it CAN work with some complains.



I think thats all...











>

>

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Black cohash

From: "winnie" <kchewh@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:37:53 GMT

--------

Has anyone used black cohash for menapausel symtoms and at same time

receiving chemo.winnie











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Subject: Re: Black cohash

From: snowshoe@xyz.net (Jan Flora)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 02:39:15 -0800

--------

In article <BipF5.984$Ef1.59526@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,

"winnie" <kchewh@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>Has anyone used black cohash for menapausel symtoms and at same time

>receiving chemo.winnie



My MD recommends black cohosh for peri-menopausal symptoms (night sweats,

in my case).



If Henrriette doesn't give you some feedback within a couple of days,

write another

post with "chemo" as a subject line. Or email her. I have no idea what to use to

help with chemo, but I know that the drugs they're using now have far fewer

nasty side-effects than the old ones. (Having your hair all fall out is

not a big deal,

when you're fighting for your life. It'll grow back, trust me. In the

meantime, buy

some really pretty scarves.)



   Hugs and good luck,

   Jan





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Subject: Re: Black cohash

From: Jeanette Johnson <rej@cpinternet.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:34:17 -0500

--------

Winnie,

  What is your vitamin intake?  That can help some too



(sorry, guys! I know vitamins aren't herbs!)



winnie wrote:



> Has anyone used black cohash for menapausel symtoms and at same time

> receiving chemo.winnie







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Subject: passion flower usage

From: vleftywny@aol.com (VLeftywny)

Date: 12 Oct 2000 20:54:27 GMT

--------

Has anyone had luck with passion flower? 





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Subject: Re: passion flower usage

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:35:51 -0400

--------

On 12 Oct 2000 20:54:27 GMT, vleftywny@aol.com (VLeftywny) wrote:



>Has anyone had luck with passion flower? 



For what?



Mari





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Subject: Re: passion flower usage

From: "Rachel" <smileee2@centurytel.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:58:08 -0700

--------

Passionflower is great when taken before bed to help you relax and get to

sleep soundly.  I usually take it in a tincture with Kava Kava.



--

Rachel



"VLeftywny" <vleftywny@aol.com> wrote in message

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> Has anyone had luck with passion flower?









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Subject: Re: passion flower usage

From: "Rebecca" <BubbaCat@mwt.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:20:46 -0500

--------

It's great dried & used as a tea. VERY calming before bedtime after a

stressful day. Only 1 cupful, though, as it really relaxes you.

"VLeftywny" <vleftywny@aol.com> wrote in message

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> Has anyone had luck with passion flower?









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Subject: Re: passion flower usage

From: garlicgr@pond.com (The Tetrad)

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:44:21 GMT

--------

 "Rebecca" <BubbaCat@mwt.net> wrote:

>It's great dried & used as a tea. VERY calming before bedtime after a

>stressful day. Only 1 cupful, though, as it really relaxes you.





The flower or the leaves?  Someone just donated a couple of blue passionflower 

plants to the community garden. . .





Dinara, the Garlic QUEEN*

Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!        <*>



*Philadelphia Harvest Show 2000 results:



Horticultural Excellence Award: Garlic, Single Variety

Horticultural Excellence Award & Best of Show Runner-Up: Garlic Basket, 10 Varieties

Community Garden Sweepstakes Award: Most Blue Ribbons Won by a Community Garden





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Subject: Re: passion flower usage

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:58:05 GMT

--------

I have TOO good of luck with passion flower.  It has taken over the trellis,

went onto the tree, and now on the roof.



Simple



"VLeftywny" <vleftywny@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20001012165427.26792.00001873@ng-ft1.aol.com...

> Has anyone had luck with passion flower?









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Subject: Re: passion flower usage

From: "Rachel" <smileee2@centurytel.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:28:46 -0700

--------

You are so lucky!  They're sooo beautiful! :o)



--

Rachel

"Busy18" <busy18@home.com> wrote in message

news:1mrF5.55244$65.603878@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com...

> I have TOO good of luck with passion flower.  It has taken over the

trellis,

> went onto the tree, and now on the roof.

>

> Simple

>

> "VLeftywny" <vleftywny@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:20001012165427.26792.00001873@ng-ft1.aol.com...

> > Has anyone had luck with passion flower?

>

>









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Subject: Re: passion flower usage

From: "Jewelweed Soap" <nature@edge.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:52:50 -0500

--------

And photogenic too!

"

-- Karen Shelton

Manchester, TN

Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

http://altnature.com



> You are so lucky!  They're sooo beautiful! :o)

>

> --

> Rachel











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Subject: herbal infusions.

From: "Sudz n Wicks" <schick1@ptd.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:53:25 GMT

--------

Hi Everyone,

    I would like some information on herbal oil infusions. I have seen the

web sites that say you can do an infusion for a few weeks but has anyone

tried it longer than that? Like months?  Also I am looking for information

on lunar infusions... Can anyone send me some information or direct me in

the right area for research? Help! Thanks for your help,

Patti















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Subject: Re: herbal infusions.

From: "Deb" <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:32:37 -0700

--------



Sudz n Wicks <schick1@ptd.net> wrote in message

news:FhrF5.2915$WC3.119377@nnrp1.ptd.net...

> Hi Everyone,

>     I would like some information on herbal oil infusions. I have seen the

> web sites that say you can do an infusion for a few weeks but has anyone

> tried it longer than that? Like months?  Also I am looking for information

> on lunar infusions... Can anyone send me some information or direct me in

> the right area for research? Help! Thanks for your help,

> Patti

>



Susun Weed has a lot of good info in her books.  She does lunar infusions.



Deb

>









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Subject: swollen feet

From: "Janet Clarke" <pacswk96@home.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 04:01:07 GMT

--------

Is there anything that i can take for swollen feet that occurred after a

very long cross country drive.









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Subject: Re: swollen feet

From: "Celia Morelli" <celiamorelli@home.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:01:52 GMT

--------

For swollen feet I take dandelion. I chop fresh leaves very fine and add my

favorite salad dressing. Plants that grow in the shade don't flower as much

and have a milder taste. It's a great diuritic because every part of the

plant contains so much potassium that you don't have to replace it as you

would with a pharmaceutical.

Gaea









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Subject: Re: swollen feet

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:33:23 -0700

--------



Hi Janet -



Put your feet up, drink lots of water (counterintuitive, but it works).  Try

eating some watermelon, or like Celia suggested, drinking some dandelion

tea.  Also walk around some, working the muscles in your legs can help the

fluid redistribute.



Nancy



"Janet Clarke" <pacswk96@home.com> wrote in message

news:7OvF5.121431$dZ2.54655814@news3.rdc1.on.home.com...

> Is there anything that i can take for swollen feet that occurred after a

> very long cross country drive.

>

>









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Subject: Re: swollen feet

From: "Faye" <crabtreeridge@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:01:02 -0500

--------

Janet Clarke wrote in message

<7OvF5.121431$dZ2.54655814@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>...

>Is there anything that i can take for swollen feet that occurred

after a

>very long cross country drive.





What kind of shoes were you/are you wearing?  My feet/ankles started

swelling this summer (never had before) and I figured out it was

always when I wore one pair of canvas tennis shoes that had a band

of elastic across the top of the foot.  It was amazing to see the

effect those shoes had on my feet.



Just another piece to add to the puzzle.



Faye









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Subject: burns?

From: "K. Heilenman" <kheilenm@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:08:21 -0500

--------

Hi everybody,

I'm currently finishing up radiation treatment for breast cancer (it's

been going well) and found out today that I am very likely, with the last

8 sessions, to get really burned (blisters)... I can't use anything during

the treatment ): but would like to be prepared for afterwards.



I know aloe (and am assuming fresh leaves are best).  Any other

ideas?  Calendula?



TIA!



Kathy









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Subject: Re: burns?

From: "Brhyer" <brhyer_m@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:16:44 +0100

--------

I found Aloe Gel works better - it feels cold and  because its a gel it

stays put.



Brhyer







"K. Heilenman" <kheilenm@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote in message

news:Pine.A41.4.21a.0010130906050.21706-100000@green.weeg.uiowa.edu...

> Hi everybody,

> I'm currently finishing up radiation treatment for breast cancer (it's

> been going well) and found out today that I am very likely, with the last

> 8 sessions, to get really burned (blisters)... I can't use anything during

> the treatment ): but would like to be prepared for afterwards.

>

> I know aloe (and am assuming fresh leaves are best).  Any other

> ideas?  Calendula?

>

> TIA!

>

> Kathy

>

>









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Subject: Re: burns?

From: Jeanette Johnson <rej@cpinternet.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:37:11 -0500

--------

some people will knock 'stabilized' or preserved aloe gel, because it doesn't

have all the properties of actual, fresh aloe gel....might be worth

experimenting to see which one works best for you...If you use fresh, make sure

it is a lower leaf...



Brhyer, do you know what brand you use?  thanks!



Brhyer wrote:



> I found Aloe Gel works better - it feels cold and  because its a gel it

> stays put.

>

> Brhyer

>

> "K. Heilenman" <kheilenm@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote in message

> news:Pine.A41.4.21a.0010130906050.21706-100000@green.weeg.uiowa.edu...

> > Hi everybody,

> > I'm currently finishing up radiation treatment for breast cancer (it's

> > been going well) and found out today that I am very likely, with the last

> > 8 sessions, to get really burned (blisters)... I can't use anything during

> > the treatment ): but would like to be prepared for afterwards.

> >

> > I know aloe (and am assuming fresh leaves are best).  Any other

> > ideas?  Calendula?

> >

> > TIA!

> >

> > Kathy

> >

> >







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Subject: Re: burns?

From: "Brhyer" <brhyer_m@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 06:31:15 +0100

--------

I guess it depends what you want to use it for.   I have a long term problem

with urticaria & the only thing that will stop the itching is calomine

lotion or Aloe gel ( & Aloe is much less messy).  However haven't tried

using it on broken skin.   I started with the purest version I could find &

worked down - so far none of them has given me a problem in spite of my

hypersensitive skin..



The two I'm using currently are Aloe 99 from Xynergy Health (Canadian)  and

Aloe Vera Gel from Optima Health (UK).







"Jeanette Johnson" <rej@cpinternet.com> wrote in message

news:39E899B4.1AB78D94@cpinternet.com...

> some people will knock 'stabilized' or preserved aloe gel, because it

doesn't

> have all the properties of actual, fresh aloe gel....might be worth

> experimenting to see which one works best for you...If you use fresh, make

sure

> it is a lower leaf...

>

> Brhyer, do you know what brand you use?  thanks!

>











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Subject: Re: burns?

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 16 Oct 2000 19:32:21 GMT

--------

Brhyer <brhyer_m@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I found Aloe Gel works better - it feels cold and  because its a gel it

>stays put.



That may be fine for some people, but I've had itching or other allergic

type reactions to the preservatives or stabilizers in aloe gels, but

never a problem with the insides of freshly cut aloe leaf.  I always

keep several aloe plants in case of burns or sunburn.



My husband had no problem with commercial aloe gel recently though,

when he suffered some burns on his arm from a steam valve accident,

and it seemed to soothe his burns as well as the fresh aloe does mine.



-- 

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Subject: Re: burns?

From: "Faye" <crabtreeridge@mindspring.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:18:46 -0500

--------

Aloe and good old fresh air.  Drink plenty of fluids.



Faye











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Subject: Re: burns?

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 14 Oct 2000 01:16:46 GMT

--------

St John's Wort oil or ointment would be helpful in healing burns.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: burns?

From: Robert Gauthier <gauthier@nep.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 06:17:27 -0400

--------

Natural Honey one of the best and oldest treatments for burns



"K. Heilenman" wrote:



> Hi everybody,

> I'm currently finishing up radiation treatment for breast cancer (it's

> been going well) and found out today that I am very likely, with the last

> 8 sessions, to get really burned (blisters)... I can't use anything during

> the treatment ): but would like to be prepared for afterwards.

>

> I know aloe (and am assuming fresh leaves are best).  Any other

> ideas?  Calendula?

>

> TIA!

>

> Kathy







==========

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Subject: Re: burns?

From: roseann4357@my-deja.com

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:32:34 GMT

--------

In article <39E832B7.71B62AA0@nep.net>,

  Robert Gauthier <gauthier@nep.net> wrote:

> Natural Honey one of the best and oldest treatments for burns

>

> "K. Heilenman" wrote:

>

> > Hi everybody,

> > I'm currently finishing up radiation treatment for breast cancer

(it's

> > been going well) and found out today that I am very likely, with

the last

> > 8 sessions, to get really burned (blisters)... I can't use anything

during

> > the treatment ): but would like to be prepared for afterwards.

> >

> > I know aloe (and am assuming fresh leaves are best).  Any other

> > ideas?  Calendula?

> >

> > TIA!

> >

> > Kathy

Classic essential oil for burns-lavender. Apply neat-as it comes

directly from bottle. No household should be without. Good luck.

>

>





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Subject: Re: burns?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:29:14 -0700

--------

"K. Heilenman" <kheilenm@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:



>Hi everybody,

>I'm currently finishing up radiation treatment for breast cancer (it's

>been going well) and found out today that I am very likely, with the last

>8 sessions, to get really burned (blisters)... I can't use anything during

>the treatment ): but would like to be prepared for afterwards.

>

>I know aloe (and am assuming fresh leaves are best).  Any other

>ideas?  Calendula?



Check with your doctor, because of the risk of infection (how

deep are the blisters going to be?)  



Strong black Tea.  Use the cheapest, harshest, blackest tea you

can find and make a strong batch.  Apply as compresses.  The

tannin in the tea is probably the active ingredient.  



If this were spring and you were in the Rockies ... fresh spruce

tip tea works great.



About the aloe - it's not a good idea.  Some of the nastiest

infections I have ever seen were the result of applying fresh

plant matter to an open wound and getting it contaminated with

plant bacteria. Look up Pseudomonas in any microbiology book.

That group is mostly found on plants and invades people as

"opportunistic" infections.  Don't deliberately give them the

opportunity.





Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: burns?

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:23:34 -0400

--------

On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:29:14 -0700, Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

wrote:



>Strong black Tea.  Use the cheapest, harshest, blackest tea you

>can find and make a strong batch.  Apply as compresses.  The

>tannin in the tea is probably the active ingredient.  



I use this ice cold for sunburns. It feels MARVELOUS. Takes the heat

out of the burn faster than anything else, even aloe. It also dries

the living daylights out of my skin and so needs to be followed up

with some sort of moisturizing agent. Jojoba, if you're (generic you)

not acquainted with it, is a natural plant wax from the American

Southwest that is very close in composition to human skin oils. I mix

a few drops of lavender oil (and a few drops of tea tree oil if I've

got blisters, so they don't get infected if the break) with a couple

of ounces of jojoba and smear it on.



Mari





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Subject: Re: burns?

From: Linda N <lindax@netzero.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:55:40 GMT

--------

In article <mcggusss064154lsnuaeo6ndrqt4hsnjfh@4ax.com>,

  Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:



> About the aloe - it's not a good idea.  Some of the nastiest

> infections I have ever seen were the result of applying fresh

> plant matter to an open wound and getting it contaminated with

> plant bacteria. Look up Pseudomonas in any microbiology book.

> That group is mostly found on plants and invades people as

> "opportunistic" infections.  Don't deliberately give them the

> opportunity.



Tsu, what about the processed aloe vera gel(gelly) that comes in the

tube? (The one I get is by Lily of the Desert)  I have scars on my arms

from dropping a pot of boiling water on myself because I had a

neurological reaction instantly one day when the apartment complex I was

living in at the time decided to spray the halls with pesticides with no

warning.



For that incident I went to the hospital, used their sulfadene cream,

was under the care of the visiting nurse service, and wound up with a

huge infection anyway and had to end up taking antibiotics by mouth. If

it had not been for lots of vitamin E oil rubbed on the scars (and

plenty of E and C and other supplements by mouth) after the infection

was cleared up, I think that the scarring would have been much worse. It

was right on the inside of the elbow area and the doctor said he was

surprised it did not keloid and that he was expecting that I would have

limited motion due to the keloiding because the worse of the scarring

was right on the inner arm in the elbow area.



However the next time I had a bad burn it was on my hand. I spilled a

pot of boiling hot turkey gravy on my hand. That time around after

rinsing the gravy off under cold running water, in went the hand into

ice cold water (yes ice cubes in the water,) and right after doing that,

my hand was slathered with aloe vera gel and then vitamin E oil, one

after another.



I just kept my hand in and out of ice water for hours and hours(as soon

as it would get so cold my hand would hurt I'd take it out and as soon

as the burning started up again I would put it back in) until the

burning stopped and continuously alternated slathered my hand with aloe

vera gel and vitamin E. oil; alternating the two. When the oil and aloe

would come off into the water, I would slather some more on. After the

inital burning sensation finally wore off, I still applied aloe vera gel

and vitamin E oil for the next week or two.



Not one iota of a scar from that incident and no infection either. The

Lilly of the Desert Aloe Vera Gel has 99.5% aloe certified organic aloe

vera Gel, Carbomer 940, and vitamins A,C, and E.  I keep the tube in the

refigerator for use with minor burns. I've used it for warts with good

success as well and never an infection. Certainly if I had a bad enough

burn I would again go to the ER, but with my experience with the

sulfadene cream and the medical profession's care of me, I am not sure

how much I might or might not follow any advice given me except to take

antibiotics by mouth if they truly were indicated.  (Then of course I

would also take many herbal anti-infectives as well and would then have

to deal with the candida kick up the anti-biotics would create and hope

to God that another set of anti-biotics wouldn't put me back into acute

pancreatitis again.  Problems problems! ;-) )



I too get a little leary when I hear people talk of applying fresh plant

juices to open wounds and burns, but I have never had a problem with the

processed aloe vera gel in the tube. I would like your thoughts on this.



Linda

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Subject: Re: burns?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:23:59 -0700

--------

Linda N <lindax@netzero.net> wrote:



>In article <mcggusss064154lsnuaeo6ndrqt4hsnjfh@4ax.com>,

>  Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>> About the aloe - it's not a good idea.  Some of the nastiest

>> infections I have ever seen were the result of applying fresh

>> plant matter to an open wound and getting it contaminated with

>> plant bacteria. Look up Pseudomonas in any microbiology book.

>> That group is mostly found on plants and invades people as

>> "opportunistic" infections.  Don't deliberately give them the

>> opportunity.

>

>Tsu, what about the processed aloe vera gel(gelly) that comes in the

>tube? 



  It should be sterile.  It's the plant bacteria that are the

nasty part of fresh plant material.  







Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: burns?

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 16 Oct 2000 19:51:36 GMT

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>About the aloe - it's not a good idea.  Some of the nastiest

>infections I have ever seen were the result of applying fresh

>plant matter to an open wound and getting it contaminated with

>plant bacteria. Look up Pseudomonas in any microbiology book.



Sounds nasty.  Would washing fresh aloe leaf before using it be any

protection against that?  Is pseudomonas found on the plant surface

or would it be inside a (healthy) plant?  As I mentioned elsewhere,

I'm allergic to the preservatives in prepared aloe gels.



-- 

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Subject: Re: burns?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:47:08 -0700

--------

jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie) wrote:



>Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>About the aloe - it's not a good idea.  Some of the nastiest

>>infections I have ever seen were the result of applying fresh

>>plant matter to an open wound and getting it contaminated with

>>plant bacteria. Look up Pseudomonas in any microbiology book.

>

>Sounds nasty.  Would washing fresh aloe leaf before using it be any

>protection against that?  



  No ... very litle can kill pseudomonas!  It's an extremely

tough bacteria.



>Is pseudomonas found on the plant surface or would it be inside 

> a (healthy) plant?  



  Both.  If it is on the surface, you can contaminate the cut

surface with the bacteria the knife drags along as it cuts.

And it can invade the pores or microscopic wounds in the plant

surface.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: burns?

From: heretik1211@my-deja.com

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:03:13 GMT

--------

   Hi! I've been out of town-came back in and am checking via deja for

old ms. This thread;- I'm glad to see the concerns about infection

being voiced. I will have to do some checking- rad burns aren't nec.

like regular burns- it depends on the type of rad- as Tsu do suggests,

check with the doc. The tea can be made sterile by boiling and then

cooling.

   I cringed at the idea of the lavendar..I'm just going to wait til I

burn myself, and be the guinea pig for this- I just know that it is

such a volatile oil that my gut feeling is that it would BURN

(sensation-wise) when applied.

   I hadn't been at all aware of the notion of SJW for burns.   LW



In article <mcggusss064154lsnuaeo6ndrqt4hsnjfh@4ax.com>,

  Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "K. Heilenman" <kheilenm@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:

>

> >Hi everybody,

> >I'm currently finishing up radiation treatment for breast cancer

(it's

> >been going well) and found out today that I am very likely, with the

last

> >8 sessions, to get really burned (blisters)... I can't use anything

during

> >the treatment ): but would like to be prepared for afterwards.

> >

> >I know aloe (and am assuming fresh leaves are best).  Any other

> >ideas?  Calendula?

>

> Check with your doctor, because of the risk of infection (how

> deep are the blisters going to be?)

>

> Strong black Tea.  Use the cheapest, harshest, blackest tea you

> can find and make a strong batch.  Apply as compresses.  The

> tannin in the tea is probably the active ingredient.

>

> If this were spring and you were in the Rockies ... fresh spruce

> tip tea works great.

>

> About the aloe - it's not a good idea.  Some of the nastiest

> infections I have ever seen were the result of applying fresh

> plant matter to an open wound and getting it contaminated with

> plant bacteria. Look up Pseudomonas in any microbiology book.

> That group is mostly found on plants and invades people as

> "opportunistic" infections.  Don't deliberately give them the

> opportunity.

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like

> politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or

> your kid and run for your life.

>





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Subject: Re: burns?

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:08:20 -0400

--------

On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:03:13 GMT, heretik1211@my-deja.com wrote:



>   I cringed at the idea of the lavendar..I'm just going to wait til I

>burn myself, and be the guinea pig for this- I just know that it is

>such a volatile oil that my gut feeling is that it would BURN

>(sensation-wise) when applied.



Suprisingly, it's quite soothing. I've put neat lavender oil on raw

burns (the sort you get when you manage to slip your grip and plant a

finger on the side of a pan of boiling water and can't move it until

you get the pot to the sink, because you'll scald yourself a hundred

times worse if you drop the pot, and then when you peel your finger

off you leave skin stuck on the pot) and was surprised that it didn't

burn. The ice hurt much more on the raw skin. I keep a bottle of

lavender oil on the kitchen sink - thank goodness it's comparatively

cheap, because I've spilled lots of it doing burn first-aid! :-)



Mari





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Subject: burns?

From: "George Lagergren" <	George.Lagergren@NoSpamgratisnet.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2000 00:19:30 

--------





	Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>  wrote:     10-16-00  23:15 

 > About the aloe - it's not a good idea.  Some of the nastiest

 > infections I have ever seen were the result of applying fresh

 > plant matter to an open wound and getting it contaminated with

 > plant bacteria. Look up Pseudomonas in any microbiology book.

 > That group is mostly found on plants and invades people as

 > "opportunistic" infections.  Don't deliberately give them the

 > opportunity.



Linda N <lindax@netzero.net>  replied:

LN> Tsu, what about the processed aloe vera gel(gelly) that comes in the

LN> tube? (The one I get is by Lily of the Desert)  I have scars on my

       <snip>

LN> Not one iota of a scar from that incident and no infection either. The

LN> Lilly of the Desert Aloe Vera Gel has 99.5% aloe certified organic

LN> aloe vera Gel, Carbomer 940, and vitamins A,C, and E.  I keep the tube

LN> in the refigerator for use with minor burns. I've used it for warts

LN> with good success as well and never an infection. Certainly if I had a



    Question:  Is "Lilly of the Desert Aloe Vera Gel" a commerical

    product?



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Subject: HERBS SUITABLE FOR BLOOD PRESSURE

From: "Mazzeppa" <mazzeppa@netcomuk.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:25:16 +0100

--------

Hiya group,



Can someone help with information which herbs are suitable for reducing high

blood pressure, and whether they are available 'over the counter' or from a

reputable herbalist.  I've only just started investigating the medicinal

side of herbalism, but  my resources and information are very limited at the

moment.



I'm not used to the internet or search engines, so perhaps some of you might

be able to recommend some good web sites available for information as to

what particular herbs do, whether their are certain herbs that shouldn't be

mixed together etc.  Any help from you would be greatly appreciated.



Mazzeppa.









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Subject: What is used with what?

From: "John" <j.p.l.@netcomuk.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:55:19 +0100

--------

Although there is a lot of information regarding certain herbs I noticed

there is very little on HOW exactly to use them......what part of the herb

should be taken, ie; leaf or root,  whether it be best in a tincure, what is

available commercially, what quantity should be taken etc, and certainly,

which herbs can be dangerous to mix with others.



Are there any good web-sites available which are a reliable reference point

to start with.



All help would be appreciated.



John









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Subject: Re: What is used with what?

From: Linda N <lindax@netzero.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:14:02 GMT

--------

In article <8s9hoa$t00$1@lyonesse.netcom.net.uk>,

  "John" <j.p.l.@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote:

> Although there is a lot of information regarding certain herbs I

noticed

> there is very little on HOW exactly to use them......what part of the

herb

> should be taken, ie; leaf or root,  whether it be best in a tincure,

what is

> available commercially, what quantity should be taken etc, and

certainly,

> which herbs can be dangerous to mix with others.

>

> Are there any good web-sites available which are a reliable reference

point

> to start with.

>

> All help would be appreciated.

>

> John



Search around in Michael Moore's site at:



http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE



It has tons of information.



But IMHO your best bet are some basic good herbal books. One very good

one to start with is "The New Holistic Herbal" by David Hoffman.

Another really good book to start with is called "Herbal Defense,

Positioning yourself to Triump over Illness and Aging" by Robin Landis

with Karta Purkh Singh Khalsa, (professional member of the American

Herbalist Guild.)  Another good book for beginners, I think is "The

Natural Pharmacy" by Skye Lininger, D.C., Johnathan Wright, M.D. Steve

Austin, N.D., Donald Brown, N.D. and Alan Gaby, M.D.  I don't agree with

everything in it but for a beginner's book on conditons, herbs,

supplements, and some homeopathics, its not bad.



Then you can go on to the more heavy duty books. ;-)



Also go see Henriette's FAQ posted to this list from time to time for

the best herbal books and good herbal sites.  The FAQ can also be found

in her website at http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/





Hope this helps. Good luck,



Linda



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Subject: Re: What is used with what?

From: "patti" <patti@webfiesta.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:18:25 -0500

--------

Even though my website is geared more for horses, there is alot of

information on the site. Its rather extension, but it will answer alot of

your questions.



--

Patti

Meadowsweet Acre Herbs for Horses

http://meadowherbs.com











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Subject: Re: What is used with what?

From: "MS" <marshmallow5@yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:57:49 GMT

--------

Try the PDR for Herbal Medicines (Available in most bookstores or online

book companies). Lots of good info on how to take them, side effects, and

interactions with other meds.





Marcello



John <j.p.l.@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message

news:8s9hoa$t00$1@lyonesse.netcom.net.uk...

> Although there is a lot of information regarding certain herbs I noticed

> there is very little on HOW exactly to use them......what part of the herb

> should be taken, ie; leaf or root,  whether it be best in a tincure, what

is

> available commercially, what quantity should be taken etc, and certainly,

> which herbs can be dangerous to mix with others.

>

> Are there any good web-sites available which are a reliable reference

point

> to start with.

>

> All help would be appreciated.

>

> John

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Nerve herbal formula

From: akewa@aol.com (AKEWA)

Date: 15 Oct 2000 01:38:45 GMT

--------

I am looking for different nerve herbal formulas that have been tried and

proven.  I am working with a number of clients with simular symptoms and one

that is fighting adiction and is hypertensive.  I am working with skullcap,

catnip and valarine root at the moment.  Would like to try some others also

please list a few.



Thanks

Tamara, LMT





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: acupuncture/lymphonia

From: "eric.jones1" <eric.jones1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:03:00 -0700

--------

Can anyone suggest acupuncture points for treatment of lymphonia?



Thanks in anticipation,



Eric Jones









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Betony

From: "Stephen Pointer" <steve@spam.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:47:55 +0100

--------

Hello



Does anybody know any folklore or have experience of Betony with regard to

companian planting.  I have recently started to keep a few herbs in Pots in

my Bedroom (I live in a shared flat) and Collected a few inc Rosemary,

Lavanda, Rue and Goldenrod and recently bought a Betony plant from a local

store.  I put it with the other plants and within 2 - 3 days they had all

died.  The rue I had had for a year and all were healthy before I got the

Betony.



Regards

Steve



Replies to: - steve.pointer@zoom.co.uk









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Betony

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:02:19 GMT

--------



"Stephen Pointer" <steve@spam.com> wrote in message > Does anybody know any

folklore or have experience of Betony with regard to

> companian planting.  I have recently started to keep a few herbs in Pots

in

> my Bedroom (I live in a shared flat) and Collected a few inc Rosemary,

> Lavanda, Rue and Goldenrod and recently bought a Betony plant from a local

> store.  I put it with the other plants and within 2 - 3 days they had all

> died.  The rue I had had for a year and all were healthy before I got the

> Betony.



Maybe you brought home something more than a betony plant - like a fungus,

virus or small insect infestation?



Sounds like a mystery event...



I have grown betony (I tuck things here and there around other plants with

most times no rhyme or reason) and never noticed that effect!



Simple











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Subject: Re: Ginseng Cooperators/ wild herbs/ creek repair

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 06:16:58 -0700

--------

bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray) wrote:





>          4. Sumac trees planted in the shallow soil of the

>restored bank. A Walnut and a Poplar were planted at other places

>to help restore shade. Several Willows were also planted but did not

>seem to survive.



  Several reclamation projects in AZ are having success with

restoring local willows.  They cut thick saplings into poles

several feet long and just pound them into the ground in the

riverbottom, a couple feet apart (close enough together to keep

cows out).  



Not much happens for a few months, but then about 10% of them

will sprout new branches and turn into a thicket.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginseng Cooperators/ wild herbs/ creek repair

From: heretik1211@my-deja.com

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:01:38 GMT

--------

   Hi! Do you have AZ as your local spot? I have just been down there

about 3x in 3 months getting my son started at ASU. (hard for mom to

let go, y'know?) At this point, I have a gigunda map of AZ on my wall

at home in Maine- and when I come back home, I can peruse my recent

road trips by eye. Learning about the Mogollan rim, and this last trip

I collected pinyon resin and manzanita bark- looked for artemisia

tridentata, but I think I have to get further up into Utah or Colo- I

only found 1 small plant. I want lotsa sage to bring home and play

with.. I have this zany idea of buying and planting pinyon up here in

zone 5. I think it might ALMOST be able to handle the transition.

Whattaya think?                          LW





In article <n9bjus88j8eas46n17fc5pgisaktn23prk@4ax.com>,

  Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray) wrote:

>

> >          4. Sumac trees planted in the shallow soil of the

> >restored bank. A Walnut and a Poplar were planted at other places

> >to help restore shade. Several Willows were also planted but did not

> >seem to survive.

>

>   Several reclamation projects in AZ are having success with

> restoring local willows.  They cut thick saplings into poles

> several feet long and just pound them into the ground in the

> riverbottom, a couple feet apart (close enough together to keep

> cows out).

>

> Not much happens for a few months, but then about 10% of them

> will sprout new branches and turn into a thicket.

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like

> politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or

> your kid and run for your life.

>





Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Before you buy.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Anyone Tried Maca for Energy, Male Stamina?

From: mul211@aol.com (Mul211)

Date: 15 Oct 2000 15:06:24 GMT

--------

Maca is being pushed hard by Vitamin Shoppe this month. They sell an extract

but I tried a cheaper Maca root formula from my health food store. So far the

results don't seem that much if it all. Anyone else tried it? Possibly the

extract is better.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HIV+Are there any Herbs good for HIV+

From: "Ronald Keirle" <ronnie@keirle.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:36:28 +0100

--------

Hello,

          I was wondering if anyone has information od herbs goo for the

immune system and antiviral / HIV?

Thanks.

Ronnie









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HIV+Are there any Herbs good for HIV+

From: "MS" <marshmallow5@yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:12:19 GMT

--------

Avoid St. John's wort if you're taking a protease inhibitor. SJW increases

breakdown of indinavir by the liver.



Ronald Keirle <ronnie@keirle.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:8scina$q1d$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...

> Hello,

>           I was wondering if anyone has information od herbs goo for the

> immune system and antiviral / HIV?

> Thanks.

> Ronnie











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: need information on arenobufagin(dried venom of toads)

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:44:28 -0700

--------

nature_heals@my-deja.com wrote:



>I'd like to know more about the use of arenobufagin. Anyone who ever

>used this pls give me your advice.



WEll, licking toads is a known way to get slightly high and VERY

sick.  Please feel free to do so.  





Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: need information on arenobufagin(dried venom of toads)

From: heretik1211@my-deja.com

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:17:02 GMT

--------

   Leo, as you well know, I don't usually enter into the flame wars.

But are you actually saying that you are planning to treat someone with

a known cerebral tumor, and you want to start using a substance that

you know so little about that you have to ask on a NEWSGROUP?! Man, you

are DANGEROUS!! Your 'patients' have a right to know about this. Leo,

that's like hanging out a shingle claiming to be a surgeon and then

propping up a book on the stretcher to show you where to make the first

cut!                                   LW



In article <8sds0m$h8d$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,

  nature_heals@my-deja.com wrote:

> Thanks for the infomation. But it seemed to provide only toxic data of

> toad venom. What i'm insterested is the venom used in herbal

treatments.

> Cos i'm working with a cerebral tumor patient now.

> Thanks anyway.

> Bell

>

> In article <39EA7481.85A7B7DC@early.com>,

>   maxz1 <maxz1@early.com> wrote:

> > here is a even better one on it , allot of link it here to:   maxz1

> >

> > http://www.erowid.org/animals/toads/toads.shtml

> >

> > maxz1 wrote:

> >

> > > you'll find info here on toad TOXINS , plus treatment for it this

> may

> > > help you. maxz1

> > >

> > > http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/psychedelics/tryptamines/toad.toxins

> > >

> > > Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> > >

> > > > nature_heals@my-deja.com wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >I'd like to know more about the use of arenobufagin. Anyone who

> ever

> > > > >used this pls give me your advice.

> > > >

> > > > WEll, licking toads is a known way to get slightly high and VERY

> > > > sick.  Please feel free to do so.

> > > >

> > > > Tsu Dho Nimh

> > > >

> > > > When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot

> like

> > > > politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet

> and/or

> > > > your kid and run for your life.

> >

> >

>

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

> Before you buy.

>





Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

Before you buy.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to help ease pain from wasp sting!

From: graywolf@texas.net (Michelle L. Orlando)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 01:06:24 GMT

--------





Three hours ago unknown to me a wasp had lit on the inside of my palm

and I sat down and put my hand down on the insect and got stung right

in the pad of my palm.



I am an asthmatic. I put a paste of baking pwdr and vinegar, took an

antihistimine and so far no allgeric symptoms.



Now here is my problem, I am having shooting pains really bad in my

wrist bone and thumb pad. I took an aspirin 30 minutes ago, so I am

asking if there is some herb I can take or make a pultice and apply to

draw the wasp poisin out. I can't even type good or spell the pain

hurts so bad.



Any suggestions please?



Michelle in TX







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to help ease pain from wasp sting!

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:05:33 -0700

--------

graywolf@texas.net (Michelle L. Orlando) wrote:





>Now here is my problem, I am having shooting pains really bad in my

>wrist bone and thumb pad. I took an aspirin 30 minutes ago, so I am

>asking if there is some herb I can take or make a pultice and apply to

>draw the wasp poisin out. I can't even type good or spell the pain

>hurts so bad.



Stick your hand in a bowl of ice water for as long as it takes.

There is so little venom injected that "drawing it out" is not

going to work.  



And if you have any stronger pain pills, take them.  It sounds

like the wasp hit close to a nerve. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to help ease pain from wasp sting!

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:19:41 -0700

--------



Good advice - I've never found much to take the pain of a sting away aside

from ice, and time.  I got stung on the leg by a yellow-jacket last summer -

geez, the thing hurt for days!  Michelle, FWIW, you've got my sympathy.  A

sting on the hand must hurt like bloody blazes.  Hope you feel better soon.



Nancy







"Tsu Dho Nimh" <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:ehvkusc61apuk4bvm8redjbr6ou2h659t9@4ax.com...

> graywolf@texas.net (Michelle L. Orlando) wrote:

>

>

> >Now here is my problem, I am having shooting pains really bad in my

> >wrist bone and thumb pad. I took an aspirin 30 minutes ago, so I am

> >asking if there is some herb I can take or make a pultice and apply to

> >draw the wasp poisin out. I can't even type good or spell the pain

> >hurts so bad.

>

> Stick your hand in a bowl of ice water for as long as it takes.

> There is so little venom injected that "drawing it out" is not

> going to work.

>

> And if you have any stronger pain pills, take them.  It sounds

> like the wasp hit close to a nerve.

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like

> politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or

> your kid and run for your life.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to help ease pain from wasp sting!

From: garlicgr@pond.com (The Tetrad)

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:02:47 GMT

--------

I know given my proclivity, this is going to sound totally self-serving, but 

garlic seems to help this, too! :-D



My cousin had a terrible sting this summer, also on his hand and the pain just 

wouldn't go away so he snuck into my medicine cabinet and *totally on his own* 

(;-0) took a tablespoon of the garlic syrup I make each year for "dosing" 

before each meal and then a day or two later came up to me and said:



"I'm never going to admit this again, but the garlic syrup helped."



Personally, I take a couple of raw cloves, but regardless of how you take it, 

the garlic did at least help *him*.  It certainly won't hurt to try it. . .









>"Michelle L. Orlando" <graywolf@texas.net> wrote in message

>news:39ea4ec1.62275740@news.texas.net...

>>

>>

>> Three hours ago unknown to me a wasp had lit on the inside of my palm

>> and I sat down and put my hand down on the insect and got stung right

>> in the pad of my palm.

>>

>> I am an asthmatic. I put a paste of baking pwdr and vinegar, took an

>> antihistimine and so far no allgeric symptoms.

>>

>> Now here is my problem, I am having shooting pains really bad in my

>> wrist bone and thumb pad. I took an aspirin 30 minutes ago, so I am

>> asking if there is some herb I can take or make a pultice and apply to

>> draw the wasp poisin out. I can't even type good or spell the pain

>> hurts so bad.

>>

>> Any suggestions please?

>>

>> Michelle in TX

>>

>

>



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Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!        <*>



*Philadelphia Harvest Show 2000 results:



Horticultural Excellence Award: Garlic, Single Variety

Horticultural Excellence Award & Best of Show Runner-Up: Garlic Basket, 10 Varieties

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Subject: Re: anybody ever used gecko?

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:51:30 -0700

--------



Now let's think about this a minute.



'Dr.' Bell claims to be a professional, trained herbalist, with years of

practice treating patients with Chinese herbs.



He's suggested that a woman actually use dried gecko as part of an

anti-cancer formula.



And he has to ask *us* about it?  Now that's scary.



Nancy



<nature_heals@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:8scadi$cte$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Pls give me your advice on this medicine.

> TIA

> Bell

>

>

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

> Before you buy.









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Subject: Re: anybody ever used gecko?

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 00:10:48 -0700

--------



<nature_heals@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:8sdrm2$h4h$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> I want to know the experiences of anyone ever used gecko to broaden my

> knowledge.



Good heavens, Leo - if you need Usenet to tell you how to do your job I

really feel for your patients.  However, if you really do need the

assistance, here are some interesting links for you as well as other

interested readers to peruse:



http://www.fda.gov/ora/fiars/ora_import_ia9919.html - a report from the FDA

on food products to be detained on import because they've been found to be

contaminated with salmonella.  Apparently dried gecko, as well as frozen

iguana and kangaroo meat, are classified as 'food'.  Yum.



It's also a bit disquieting to see the astounding range of imported products

that contain salmonella.  From dried basil to halvah to, well, dried gecko,

it seems that this ubiquitous organism can get into nearly everything we

eat.  Now that's a comforting thought.



http://www.danggui.com/database/gejie.htm - This page contains a short

description of dried gecko (gejie in Pinyin Chinese), and its common uses in

TCM.  This would make interesting reading, I think, for those unfamiliar

with how diseases are commonly classed in TCM.  Gejie, according to this

page, is commonly prescribed for asthma, or cough "due to deficiency (of qi)

in the lung", and "restoring the kidney yang and replenishing the vital

essence and blood".  Apparently dried gecko is good for impotence arising

(as it were :-) from depleted kidney yang, as well.



http://opane.com/gejnourkidpi.html - a page describing a Chinese herbal

medicine called "Gejie Nourishing Kidney Pills".  Apparently in this

formulation gejie is used as part of a general qi-restoring tonic.  This

page may also be interesting to some for its inclusion of ingredients.

Apparently not all Chinese herbalists feel so threatened by the concept of

their potential customers knowing exactly what they're going to be taking.

On the other hand, some people might be put off by the revelation that these

pills contain "testis et penis canitis".  I personally would probably avoid

ingesting ground bowser balls....



Nancy











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: anybody ever used gecko?

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:11:23 -0700

--------

<nature_heals@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:8sesmf$99g$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Well, microbes are every and almost impossible to avoid. But u now all

> TCM herbal formula are well cooked before u take, so it's no need to

> worry about the contamination. Seems u are over concerning the

> contamination of herb and food. I have read that children living in a

> microbe-clean environment have more chance to catch asthma and cancer.



Indeed, a certain amount of exposure to a non-sterile environment is

required to build a healthy immune system.  I do believe, though, that

exposure to salmonella should be avoided where possible, since the microbe

causes a rather nasty type of food poisoning that can be fatal in children

and people with reduced immunity.



The reason why salmonella is so difficult to avoid is that it's a happy

tag-along on surfaces.  Spill some dried gecko on a countertop and anything

that comes into contact with that countertop will be contaminated - the

sponge, your hands... From there it's an easy hop into your potato salad or

your child's bowl of cereal.



As far as herbal teas being 'well cooked', it's alarmingly easy to make a

decoction at a temperature low enough for salmonella bacteria to survive the

process, and end up drinking a cup of instant food poisoning.  Not exactly

what you want if you're already dealing with serious health issues.  Come to

think of it, I wouldn't want a good case of salmonella poisoning at any

time.  I contracted a case while working in a restaurant while I was in

school; it wasn't a pleasant experience.



The reason why I'm concerned about contamination in herbs is that it

presents a danger to the health of the people who take them.  I'm not

especially on an anti-contamination crusade here, but your cavalier attitude

about it is very disturbing.  I bring it up often because I think it's

something that you, and your prospective customers, need to consider.  There

are lots of opportunities for herbs (and any other food, come to think of

it) to be contaminated with any number of dangerous substances, from lead to

bacteria.  You don't need to be particularly malicious, just a little

careless, or ignorant of proper procedure, to produce a dangerous product.



The FDA randomly tests food in this country, as well as food that is

imported from abroad.  A surprisingly selection of products, from many

countries, are rejected at the border for bacterial and other contaminants.

Your herbs, because they are being shipped person-to-person, may avoid both

the safeguards in China, and the United States as well.  This, combined with

your lack of concern about contaminants, might lead to your customers

ingesting bacteria and a host of other dangerous substances that you never

intended.



> Actually the gecko i mean is not GeJie but BiHu, you see there are two

> different kinds of gecko in TCM, and BiHu is now used for cancer and

> tumor recently. What i hope to know is if there are some people also

> use BiHu in there treatment so we can learn from each other. Thanks for

> your information.



Ah, gecko swinhonis, not gecko gecko.  Sorry, my mistake.  Not that I have

professional experience prescribing either, but a friend who collects

lizards and turtles (interesting hobby), was able to show me some pictures

of each.  Very different animals; it's not surprising that they're used for

different things.  Notably, the gejie or tokay tends to have a tendency to

bite very hard, and with little provocation; they reportedly have very sharp

teeth, as well.  Probably this isn't a good candidate for the 'grow it

yourself' herbal crowd, and I certainly don't have any plans to keep one as

a pet.



> To be honest with u, i personally avoid ingesting any animal herbal

> products such as sea horse, gejie, any kind of animal *balls*(eeeee),

> tiger bone, rhino horn, and of course, *SNAKE OIL*. And i only use

> animal herbal products for cancer and tumor for my patient now.



I take a standardized dried porcine thyroid supplement called Armour for

hypothyroidism, and have have in the past used dried thymus and adrenal

gland to support immune and adrenal functions, respectively.  I don't do

that much now, so many glandulars are bovine, and with the CJD concerns, I'm

a little leery of eating beef anything.  It was suggested recently that I

might consider taking dried bovine pituitary, but that's really too close to

the brain for me to feel comfortable with.



As far as tiger bone or rhino horn, I wouldn't take either.  Both species

are so near extinction every individual counts now.  I just don't think I

have the right to contribute to wiping tigers off the face of the earth.

Additionally, many people now have moral objections to taking any

animal-derived medication.  Yet another reason for you to consider

disclosing ingredients.  Yes, I harp on this continually; it's because I

think it's important.



Nancy











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: anybody ever used gecko?

From: "MS" <marshmallow5@yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:21:55 GMT

--------

Why would you want to eat a lizard?



Marcello









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: anybody ever used gecko?

From: "Catherine Symonds" <WCSYMONDS@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:43:04 -0700

--------



Well, I for one wouldn't, particularly with what's already available to me.

But in some countries/cultures, they make do with what they have and believe

works for them, even though it may seem incomprehensible to us Westerners.



Catherine

"MS" <marshmallow5@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:TNnI5.1270$%J6.108310@news1.news.adelphia.net...

> Why would you want to eat a lizard?

>

> Marcello

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: anybody ever used gecko?

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:44:32 -0700

--------



I'm sure that some will find it amusing to learn that what my

naturopath/accupuncturist prescribed to help with my exercise-induced asthma

on Friday was Ping Chuan pills, which contain, among other things, gecko.  I

saw it coming as soon as she said "I know of some Chinese herbal pills that

work great for that."  Then of course I had to explain why I started

snickering.  Sometimes I think God has a really twisted sense of humor :-)



Nancy



"Catherine Symonds" <WCSYMONDS@prodigy.net> wrote in message

news:8stj8c$2766$1@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com...

>

> Well, I for one wouldn't, particularly with what's already available to

me.

> But in some countries/cultures, they make do with what they have and

believe

> works for them, even though it may seem incomprehensible to us Westerners.

>

> Catherine

> "MS" <marshmallow5@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:TNnI5.1270$%J6.108310@news1.news.adelphia.net...

> > Why would you want to eat a lizard?

> >

> > Marcello











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: anybody ever used gecko?

From: "MS" <marshmallow5@yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:23:33 GMT

--------

Less gecko and more ginkgo. That's my new motto...









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: wasp sting

From: "Faye" <crabtreeridge@mindspring.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:58:59 -0500

--------

Michelle L. Orlando wrote in message

<39ea54ff.63874382@news.texas.net>...>

>Is there some herb I can make a poultice and apply to draw out some

of

>the poisin? I took an aspirin 45 minutes ago, but gee this hurts.

Michelle in TX



Folks around here use tobacco (of course this is the heart of

tobacco country) and it does seem to work well.



Hope you feel better.



Faye in the green hills of Tennessee

"T for Texas, T for Tennessee"













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Subject: Re: wasp sting

From: "Busy18" <busy18@home.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:58:17 GMT

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Try Echinacea next time if you have some.  Tincture, fresh, poultice of

infused dried - we have lots of stinging, biting things here in FL and

echinacea is a real helper!  BTW - helps mosquito bites too (stop itching, I

mean).



Simple



"Faye" <crabtreeridge@mindspring.com> wrote in message

news:8sdu41$rs7$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net...

> Michelle L. Orlando wrote in message

> <39ea54ff.63874382@news.texas.net>...>

> >Is there some herb I can make a poultice and apply to draw out some

> of

> >the poisin? I took an aspirin 45 minutes ago, but gee this hurts.

> Michelle in TX

>

> Folks around here use tobacco (of course this is the heart of

> tobacco country) and it does seem to work well.

>

> Hope you feel better.

>

> Faye in the green hills of Tennessee

> "T for Texas, T for Tennessee"

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: wasp sting

From: Catherine Novak <cnovak@pilot.infi.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:26:36 +0000

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I'll second the motion. A week and a half ago I was stung on the tongue by

a yellow jacket (it crawled into a drink can). Squirting full strength

tincture and then following that up with chipped ice meant no swelling

and a barely perceptible dot. I used the tincture several more times.

It helped numb the pain (although it did not knock out the pain

altogether.)



For a sting other than the mouth, try a poultice of bentonite clay or

a cosmetic grade clay mixed with echinacea tincture and water to

form an almost runny paste. Rinse off when dry and reapply.



Cathy, Wise Weeds

http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/wiseweeds/



Busy18 wrote:



> Try Echinacea next time if you have some.  Tincture, fresh, poultice of

> infused dried - we have lots of stinging, biting things here in FL and

> echinacea is a real helper!  BTW - helps mosquito bites too (stop itching, I

> mean).







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Subject: Re: wasp sting

From: "Adriana Kamenetsky" <adrianakusa@home.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:20:40 GMT

--------

Dab Lavender oil 3 times a day.   AK

"Michelle L. Orlando" <graywolf@texas.net> wrote in message

news:39ea54ff.63874382@news.texas.net...

> Hello,

>  3 hrs ago I was stung by a small wasp in the middle of my palm and I

> put baking soda +vinegar paste and took an antihistimine.

>

> The swelling has gone down some, but the pain is radiating into my

> right wrist and up in the thumb pad.

>

> Is there some herb I can make a poultice and apply to draw out some of

> the poisin? I took an aspirin 45 minutes ago, but gee this hurts.

>

> Any help appreciated!

>

> Michelle in TX









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: wasp sting

From: Linda N <lindax@netzero.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:09:43 GMT

--------

In article <39ea54ff.63874382@news.texas.net>,

  graywolf@texas.net (Michelle L. Orlando) wrote:

>  Hello,

>  3 hrs ago I was stung by a small wasp in the middle of my palm and I

> put baking soda +vinegar paste and took an antihistimine.

>

> The swelling has gone down some, but the pain is radiating into my

> right wrist and up in the thumb pad.

>

> Is there some herb I can make a poultice and apply to draw out some of

> the poisin? I took an aspirin 45 minutes ago, but gee this hurts.

>

> Any help appreciated!

>

> Michelle in TX



Not an herb, but homeopathic Apis Mellificia (I use the 30 C strength)

took the swelling and pain out of a recent wasp sting for me. 3 pellets

under the tongue for a few doses, and my finger was fine. It was my

first bee or wasp sting in my life that I know of and with MCS, I was

terrified of a possible shock reaction. Never happened.  However

sometimes people are sensitized with the first sting and its a

subsequent sting that will bring real systemic problems. Hope I do not

get that subsequent sting but I definitely have the homeopathic Apis

available anyway if I do.



Linda



--

Learn more about MCS at CIIN  http://ciin.org/

"The Lord hath created medicines out of the earth;

and he that is wise will not abhor them."

Ecclesiasticus 38:4





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Subject: Re: wasp sting

From: "Lady Damorea" <ladydamorea@geocities.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:44:07 -0400

--------

Greetings,

I am very allergic to bee stings, including wasps.  I carry a bottle of

Basil Essential Oil.  It works immediately.  I might smell a bit like a

pizza, but the swelling and pain of a minor/moderate sting goes away

quickly.  One thing you need to be aware of is that the amount of venom a

bee or wasp has changes.  The amount depends on the age of the bee, if it

has stung recently (for wasps),  and weather conditions (during droughts

they have less, but it's more potent).  These things were pointed out to me

by my physician.  I hope this information helps.



Brightest of Blessings,

Lady Damorea



Michelle L. Orlando <graywolf@texas.net> wrote in message

news:39ea54ff.63874382@news.texas.net...

> Hello,

>  3 hrs ago I was stung by a small wasp in the middle of my palm and I

> put baking soda +vinegar paste and took an antihistimine.

>

> The swelling has gone down some, but the pain is radiating into my

> right wrist and up in the thumb pad.

>

> Is there some herb I can make a poultice and apply to draw out some of

> the poisin? I took an aspirin 45 minutes ago, but gee this hurts.

>

> Any help appreciated!

>

> Michelle in TX









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: wasp sting

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:23:38 -0500

--------

For those allergic to the stings, I am not allergic, but have found an

odd thing that helps if used within a few minutes of the sting (for

pain and mild swelling for me).  It's called the Sawyer Extractor.

Meant for poisonous snake bites, but I'm not in that kind of country

often, so use it mostly on painful insect bites.  Could make a very

good first step in allergic cases.  It's a suction device.  Mildly fun

to watch in use.  It will not remove all the venom and will not take

away all the pain and swelling, so more needs being done after for the

allergic, but it's certainly nicer than doing nothing.  



I happened to have it near to hand (camping trip in an area that does

have a very few poisonous snakes) in early September when I was stung

in the back of the knee a couple of times by a righteously indignant

wasp.  I had some very mild pain for that afternoon and just an odd

feeling in the spot by evening and through the next day.  The previous

times I'd been stung, I'd had pain for a few days and much more

swelling.  Next time I'll try some Essential Oils, too.  Thanks for

the tips.





On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:44:07 -0400, "Lady Damorea"

<ladydamorea@geocities.com> wrote:



>Greetings,

>I am very allergic to bee stings, including wasps.  I carry a bottle of

>Basil Essential Oil.  It works immediately.  I might smell a bit like a

>pizza, but the swelling and pain of a minor/moderate sting goes away

>quickly.  One thing you need to be aware of is that the amount of venom a

>bee or wasp has changes.  The amount depends on the age of the bee, if it

>has stung recently (for wasps),  and weather conditions (during droughts

>they have less, but it's more potent).  These things were pointed out to me

>by my physician.  I hope this information helps.

>

>Brightest of Blessings,

>Lady Damorea

>

>Michelle L. Orlando <graywolf@texas.net> wrote in message

>news:39ea54ff.63874382@news.texas.net...

>> Hello,

>>  3 hrs ago I was stung by a small wasp in the middle of my palm and I

>> put baking soda +vinegar paste and took an antihistimine.

>>

>> The swelling has gone down some, but the pain is radiating into my

>> right wrist and up in the thumb pad.

>>

>> Is there some herb I can make a poultice and apply to draw out some of

>> the poisin? I took an aspirin 45 minutes ago, but gee this hurts.

>>

>> Any help appreciated!

>>

>> Michelle in TX

>



-----

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The Minnow Goddess, Speaker to squirrels, Protector of Bats.



Dreadfully slow on replying to email.

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Subject: Recommended herbs for male pattern baldness (alt.folklore.herbs)

From: "kilometrico" <katami@singnet.com.sg>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:48:03 +0800

--------

Hi,



Anyone at alt.folklore.herbs have any idea how to stop male pattern baldness

with natural herbs ?



Does Ginseng & Fo-Ti stop male pattern hair loss ?



What natural herbs do you folks recommend ?



thank you.









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Subject: Re: Recommended herbs for male pattern baldness (alt.folklore.herbs)

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:14:31 -0400

--------

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:48:03 +0800, "kilometrico"

<katami@singnet.com.sg> wrote:



>Anyone at alt.folklore.herbs have any idea how to stop male pattern baldness

>with natural herbs ?



A recent issue of the freebie magazine my local health food store

gives away suggested saw palmetto. I no longer have the magazine, but

if I remember correctly it was the same dosage that was recommended

for preventing prostate problems - 320 mg per day, preferably a

standardized form with at least 85% "fatty acids and sterols" (that is

from my shopping list! Husband is balding and has a family history of

prostate problems, and so wants to try saw palmetto).



Mari

(posted ONLY to alt.folklore.herbs - I dislike crossposting)





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pomace vs. virgin Olive oils

From: "John Lawrence" <jlawrenc@suffolk.lib.ny.us>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:13:10 -0400

--------

Sorry if this question is too off-topic, but we are curious about the

difference in nutrition/health benefits and processing byproducts between

the three types of olive oil (Pomace; virgin ;extra virgin. ) If this

question really belongs in a different NG please clue me in , however I

don't think cooking NG's would be correct either, possibly nutrition NG's

would be most appropriate.



                                                           TIA,

                                               The Lawrences











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Subject: Re: Pomace vs. virgin Olive oils

From: Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam_.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:15:56 -0400

--------

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, John Lawrence <jlawrenc@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:



>Sorry if this question is too off-topic, but we are curious about the

>difference in nutrition/health benefits and processing byproducts between

>the three types of olive oil (Pomace; virgin ;extra virgin. ) If this

>question really belongs in a different NG please clue me in , however I

>don't think cooking NG's would be correct either, possibly nutrition NG's

>would be most appropriate.



My guess is sci.med.nutrition would be best, but knowing the people there I

can't think of who might know the answer. The other option is

sci.bio.food-science, which I don't follow.



Don (donwiss at panix.com).





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT)

From: "Jim Kerr" <jdkerr@xcelco.on.ca>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:35:55 -0400

--------

HI folks,



I am looking for information re herbal  My wife has recently undergone a

hysterectomy. She will be having a follow-up appointment with her

Gynecologist/Surgeon later this week. At that time she would like to be able

to discuss the possibility of a herbal HRT . Any personal experience or

authoritative advice would be appreciated. She used a commercial product

comprised of gelcaps containing  "Wild Yam, Dong Quai, Black Cohosh, Blue

Cohosh, Blessed Thistle, Shepherds Purse", about 18 months ago with no

relief from the symptoms of menopause.



Thanks, Jim Kerr









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT)

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 17 Oct 2000 01:09:22 GMT

--------

I highly recommend Susun Weed's Menopausal Year. You can get it just about

anywhere.



Belinda





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Whats a good amount of ginkgo to take every day

From: "Sue Green" <sue@datadesign.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:30:43 +0100

--------



Surely it would be a different amount for each person, depending on the

needs of your body and mind.



Sue







maxz1 wrote in message <39EB54A9.7815FBAD@early.com>...

>Hi !!! I was wondering what amount of ginkgo should be taking  every day

>, I've been taking 2 x400 mg caps of power each day. heres the other

>stuff I take , one high potency korean ginseng root (same as 125 mg

>standardized). I also take 1 high potency multivitamin/multimineral ,

>and just added 1000 mgs of valerian root at bed time every day. I used

>it mostly for studying , so at times I take higher does's when needed

>the most. So I want to be able to keep doing that , with out taking over

>the maximum does which is 2 x400 X 3 each day. Thank For Any Help !!!

>maxz1

>









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Subject: Re: Whats a good amount of ginkgo to take every day

From: "Sue Green" <sue@datadesign.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:25:00 +0100

--------

absoultely best to start too small and work your way up slowly..



Whats good for you might send me over the edge, or the other way round.





best of luck and be careful ...



Sue







maxz1 wrote in message <39ECD271.8C51FCEC@early.com>...

>You are right of course , I don't want to get the level to high. I read

that

>it takes 2 week to get the level up , and that to high of a level may give

>people really bad head acks. And with me taking 2x400 X 1 a day and then

the

>max amount at times , over a 2 week time , I was thinking it may jump to

>high. I want to take as much as I can every day to keep the level 1/2 way

up

>or so , to help with my thinking. But not so high it could go over , from

>taking the max amount at times on top of the every day level.  maxz1

>

>Sue Green wrote:

>

>> Surely it would be a different amount for each person, depending on the

>> needs of your body and mind.

>>

>> Sue

>>

>> maxz1 wrote in message <39EB54A9.7815FBAD@early.com>...

>> >Hi !!! I was wondering what amount of ginkgo should be taking  every day

>> >, I've been taking 2 x400 mg caps of power each day. heres the other

>> >stuff I take , one high potency korean ginseng root (same as 125 mg

>> >standardized). I also take 1 high potency multivitamin/multimineral ,

>> >and just added 1000 mgs of valerian root at bed time every day. I used

>> >it mostly for studying , so at times I take higher does's when needed

>> >the most. So I want to be able to keep doing that , with out taking over

>> >the maximum does which is 2 x400 X 3 each day. Thank For Any Help !!!

>> >maxz1

>> >

>









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Subject: Re: Whats a good amount of ginkgo to take every day

From: heretik1211@my-deja.com

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:39:44 GMT

--------

   Looking at your list, it reminds me of the patients who come in

with 'polypharmacy'- an apparently unending list of meds. When I re-

read your list, I guess it's not THAT much, but I bet there are people

going off the deep end with herbal treatments just as happens with pill-

poppers.       LW



In article <39EB54A9.7815FBAD@early.com>,

  maxz1 <maxz1@early.com> wrote:

> Hi !!! I was wondering what amount of ginkgo should be taking  every

day

> , I've been taking 2 x400 mg caps of power each day. heres the other

> stuff I take , one high potency korean ginseng root (same as 125 mg

> standardized). I also take 1 high potency multivitamin/multimineral ,

> and just added 1000 mgs of valerian root at bed time every day. I used

> it mostly for studying , so at times I take higher does's when needed

> the most. So I want to be able to keep doing that , with out taking

over

> the maximum does which is 2 x400 X 3 each day. Thank For Any Help !!!

> maxz1

>

>





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Subject: Re: Whats a good amount of ginkgo to take every day

From: "MS" <marshmallow5@yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:56:15 GMT

--------

So if I understand you right, your taking a total of 800mg of gingko extract

per day.  It does seem like a bit much. For comparison, doses of 120 to 240

mg per day were found to significantly improve people with Alzheimer's

disease. That's not to say that they wouldn't benefit from taking more, just

that even smaller doses are helpful.  So long as you're not experiencing any

negative side effects, it doesn't seem like a problem.  Could the ginkgo be

the reason you have trouble sleeping? (probably not if the sleep problems

existed before you took the ginkgo...)



Ginkgo does reduce blood clotting, so just be aware of that. Otherwise if

youre functioning better and not having any major side effects, there

doesn't seem to be a problem.





maxz1 <maxz1@early.com> wrote in message news:39F0A319.E5341A0E@early.com...

> I always had trouble sleeping , but valerian root Extract cost pretty much

to

> take all the time. But when I got the great deal on them , I got them and

> started taking them every day. They do help me wake up more rested , but I

> still think they will even be more helpful when the level evens out good.

maxz1

>

> John & Mari Morgan wrote:

>

> > On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:42:14 -0600, maxz1 <maxz1@early.com> wrote:

> >

> > >You are more then likely right , I only started taking the Valerian

root

> > >Extract because I got it for $4  380 high Pow caplets. I couldn't let

that

> > >deal get away , so I got them and started taking them.

> >

> > The ONLY reason? You don't actually need them to sleep? maxz, that's

> > one of the numbest things I've heard this week. Taking drugs (and

> > herbs are drugs, just because they're "natcherull" doesn't make them

> > any less so, they're just different forms) you don't need is not only

> > silly, but very frequently dangerous.

> >

> > Mari

> > who does do polypharmacy, but not by choice! (Last year at one point I

> > had 12 different _prescribed_ medications at the same time, trying to

> > replace as much of that as possible with herbs IF they're just as

> > effective and have fewer side effects. I annoy both herbalists AND

> > conventional MDs, because I won't walk either path only! *grin*)

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Receding gum & tea tree

From: "George Lagergren" <	George.Lagergren@NoSpamgratisnet.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2000 00:19:29 

--------





	Topic:  Receding gum.. can I stop it? Regrow gum tissue?



"Rose" <roseherr@stargate.net>  wrote:              10-16-00  21:45  

Ro> Yes, and also a drop of tea tree oil on your toothbrush occasioally.

Ro> Tea tree kills a lot of bacteria which can cause a "die off" reaction

Ro> -- kind of unpleasant-- so easy does it. I put a drop on the brush,

Ro> then rinse the brush under the faucet, then apply the toothpaste. The

Ro> last time I visited the dentist, they were amazed, especially since I

Ro> hadn't had a cleaning in several years. Very little plaque.



    Question:  Does the tea tree kill a lot of bacteria on the 

    tooth brush itself?



    Question:  Why do you rinse the brush under the faucet AFTER you

    place the drop of tea tree oil on the tooth brush?



    Shouldn't the drop of tea tree oil stay on the tooth brush?



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Subject: Receding gum.. can I

From: "George Lagergren" <	George.Lagergren@NoSpamgratisnet.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2000 00:19:29 

--------





	Topic:  Receding gum.. can I stop it? Regrow gum tissue?



getup57@my-deja.com  wrote:                      10-16-00  22:20  

Ge> I heard that coenzyme Q10 is good for gum recession.  Anyone had

Ge> success with this?



    A poster (Fred Thomas) in the sci.med.nutrition news group

    said he used a 10 mg. Q-10 softgel dosage several times per 

    day for this problem.

 

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Subject: Good herbs for arthritis

From: "George Lagergren" <	George.Lagergren@NoSpamgratisnet.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2000 00:19:30 

--------





	"D Clarke" <donna@cae.ca>  wrote:                  10-16-00  22:30  

DC> Are there any herbs that help relieve arthritic pain?



Thalia C.  replied:

Ca> Hi DC! I have been researching herbs for arthritis pain. Here's an

Ca> excerpt from my site (copyrighted):



    Question:  How about the herb aloe vera to help relieve arthritic

    pain???????????



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Subject: Re: Good herbs for arthritis

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:55:37 +0000

--------

Hi



Boswellia serrata (frankinsense) and Curcuma longa (turmeric) are

supposed to have some antiinflammatory action.  Did have some references

once but no idea what I did with them.



Bought some for my mum who has bad RA.  No definite conclusions however

and as the only brand I could find here was Solgar it was an expensive

test.



Don't forget glucosamine - not a herb but good for osteo arthritis.



Cheers,



Nick





sarah wrote:

> 

> rubbing a mixture of jojoba oil and myrrh into your arthritic joints is said

> to eleviate the pain and symptoms as well.  Though i have not tried it myself,

> i plan to soon since my knees are beyond the threshold of even my pain

> tolerance.

> 

> ~* Sarah

> 

> George Lagergren wrote:

> 

> >         "D Clarke" <donna@cae.ca>  wrote:                  10-16-00  22:30

> > DC> Are there any herbs that help relieve arthritic pain?

> >

> > Thalia C.  replied:

> > Ca> Hi DC! I have been researching herbs for arthritis pain. Here's an

> > Ca> excerpt from my site (copyrighted):

> >

> >     Question:  How about the herb aloe vera to help relieve arthritic

> >     pain???????????

> >

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> >

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Subject: Re: Good herbs for arthritis

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:40:36 -0700

--------



I've got some pills from my naturopath called 'Boswellamine', which is a

boswellia/glucosamine mix.  Also has myhrr in it.  One nice thing about it

is when you open the bottle it smells fabulous :-).  I take this along with

the tumeric/ginger caps now for the sore feet and knees I'm getting while

training for a marathon in December.

The combination works well for me.



Nancy





"Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote in message

news:39F586C8.66BF@mcmail.com...

> Hi

>

> Boswellia serrata (frankinsense) and Curcuma longa (turmeric) are

> supposed to have some antiinflammatory action.  Did have some references

> once but no idea what I did with them.

>

> Bought some for my mum who has bad RA.  No definite conclusions however

> and as the only brand I could find here was Solgar it was an expensive

> test.

>

> Don't forget glucosamine - not a herb but good for osteo arthritis.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Nick

>

>

> sarah wrote:

> >

> > rubbing a mixture of jojoba oil and myrrh into your arthritic joints is

said

> > to eleviate the pain and symptoms as well.  Though i have not tried it

myself,

> > i plan to soon since my knees are beyond the threshold of even my pain

> > tolerance.

> >

> > ~* Sarah

> >

> > George Lagergren wrote:

> >

> > >         "D Clarke" <donna@cae.ca>  wrote:                  10-16-00

22:30

> > > DC> Are there any herbs that help relieve arthritic pain?

> > >

> > > Thalia C.  replied:

> > > Ca> Hi DC! I have been researching herbs for arthritis pain. Here's an

> > > Ca> excerpt from my site (copyrighted):

> > >

> > >     Question:  How about the herb aloe vera to help relieve arthritic

> > >     pain???????????

> > >

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> > >

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Subject: Re: Good herbs for arthritis

From: N`osal Woodbender <sndman@concentric.net>

Date: 25 Oct 2000 15:30:51 GMT

--------

I have not tried frankincense, but I used turmeric for a time. It worked better then

some of the over the counter anti inflamitories I could get. It is also a liver

puritive. I cap my own herbs, and I was taking 3 caps in the morning, and 3 at

night. It is also one of the base spices for curry. Try some in some soup sometime,

yummy.



Nick wrote:



> Hi

>

> Boswellia serrata (frankinsense) and Curcuma longa (turmeric) are

> supposed to have some antiinflammatory action.  Did have some references

> once but no idea what I did with them.

>

> Bought some for my mum who has bad RA.  No definite conclusions however

> and as the only brand I could find here was Solgar it was an expensive

> test.

>

> Don't forget glucosamine - not a herb but good for osteo arthritis.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Nick

>

> sarah wrote:

> >

> > rubbing a mixture of jojoba oil and myrrh into your arthritic joints is said

> > to eleviate the pain and symptoms as well.  Though i have not tried it myself,

> > i plan to soon since my knees are beyond the threshold of even my pain

> > tolerance.

> >

> > ~* Sarah

> >

> > George Lagergren wrote:

> >

> > >         "D Clarke" <donna@cae.ca>  wrote:                  10-16-00  22:30

> > > DC> Are there any herbs that help relieve arthritic pain?

> > >

> > > Thalia C.  replied:

> > > Ca> Hi DC! I have been researching herbs for arthritis pain. Here's an

> > > Ca> excerpt from my site (copyrighted):

> > >

> > >     Question:  How about the herb aloe vera to help relieve arthritic

> > >     pain???????????

> > >

> > > .. End  of  message                                 16 Oct 00  22:34

> > > ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]

> > >

> > > GratisNet - Tulsa, OK







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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: allergies...

From: Jeanette Johnson <rej@cpinternet.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:44:35 -0500

--------

I have another one of my lovely health problems for you to solve! :o)



What can you recomend for allergies?  Grrrr!  This new cat is driving me

buggy!  Love him to death but I'm ready to take my eyes out with a razor

blade by the end of the day when I come back in from the

barn/horses/other pets/etc....anybody else have this problem?  I would

really be interested in







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: allergies...

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:47:44 GMT

--------

>I have another one of my lovely health problems for you to solve! :o)

>

>What can you recomend for allergies?  Grrrr!  This new cat is driving me

>buggy!  Love him to death but I'm ready to take my eyes out with a razor

>blade by the end of the day when I come back in from the

>barn/horses/other pets/etc....anybody else have this problem?  I would

>really be interested in



It has been said that mullein infusion, a cup or more a day for six weeks will

rid a person of animal hair allergies forever. I've not yet found anyone

willing to try this as most think the infusion tastes horrible.



Belinda







==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: allergies...

From: Jeanette Johnson <rej@cpinternet.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:22:44 -0500

--------

A cup?!  Yikes!



Where can I get mullein?  Will have to read up!



Thanks!



Bilherbs wrote:



> >I have another one of my lovely health problems for you to solve! :o)

> >

> >What can you recomend for allergies?  Grrrr!  This new cat is driving me

> >buggy!  Love him to death but I'm ready to take my eyes out with a razor

> >blade by the end of the day when I come back in from the

> >barn/horses/other pets/etc....anybody else have this problem?  I would

> >really be interested in

>

> It has been said that mullein infusion, a cup or more a day for six weeks will

> rid a person of animal hair allergies forever. I've not yet found anyone

> willing to try this as most think the infusion tastes horrible.

>

> Belinda







==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: allergies...

From: "Scott Lee" <slee@NotYourBusiness.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:42:10 -0400

--------

I drink mullien tea most every day and have been doing so for years.  I find

the taste to be quite pleasent as does do my wife and children.



It did not rid me of animal hair (dander) allergies, but it seemed to lessen

the severity.  The only time it seems to bother me is when it is conbined

with the spring pollen or the fall mould.  During those times, I add nettle

leaf to the mix to act as an antihistamine.



I started my eldest drinking mullien when she first started showing signs of

inheriting the pollen and mould allergies I have, around age five.  She is

now ten and, when she has symptoms, her symptoms are very mild.



I use one tablespoon of the dried leaf for each cup of first boil (when the

bubbles start to appear but before full boil) water.  The nettle leaf is

added as one teaspoon for each cup.



Hope this helps,

Scott Lee

sjlee@wwnet.net



"Bilherbs" <bilherbs@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20001018074744.23294.00000394@ng-ch1.aol.com...

> >I have another one of my lovely health problems for you to solve! :o)

> >

> >What can you recomend for allergies?  Grrrr!  This new cat is driving me

> >buggy!  Love him to death but I'm ready to take my eyes out with a razor

> >blade by the end of the day when I come back in from the

> >barn/horses/other pets/etc....anybody else have this problem?  I would

> >really be interested in

>

> It has been said that mullein infusion, a cup or more a day for six weeks

will

> rid a person of animal hair allergies forever. I've not yet found anyone

> willing to try this as most think the infusion tastes horrible.

>

> Belinda

>













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: allergies...

From: "Tzigaine" <janinwise@postmark.net>

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:10:21 -0500

--------

I've had allergies all of my life, and the only thing I can tell you is that

if it's a new cat, give yourself two weeks--they'll be miserable, don't get

me wrong, but after two weeks of exposure, you'll be acclimated to THAT cat.

We had a siamese that I absolutely adored and had no allergic reactions

to--then I headed off to college--when I came home for Christmas, I was

allergic to her again. . .such is life (:  Now I have two cats that I adore,

and they don't bother me at all. . .but when I go home to visit my mom--the

old siamese gets me every time.

I know it's not an herbal solution, but it worked for me.  Hope it offers

you some help.



-Janin Wise



Bilherbs <bilherbs@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20001018074744.23294.00000394@ng-ch1.aol.com...

> >I have another one of my lovely health problems for you to solve! :o)

> >

> >What can you recomend for allergies?  Grrrr!  This new cat is driving me

> >buggy!  Love him to death but I'm ready to take my eyes out with a razor

> >blade by the end of the day when I come back in from the

> >barn/horses/other pets/etc....anybody else have this problem?  I would

> >really be interested in

>

> It has been said that mullein infusion, a cup or more a day for six weeks

will

> rid a person of animal hair allergies forever. I've not yet found anyone

> willing to try this as most think the infusion tastes horrible.

>

> Belinda

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: allergies...

From: "Kinney/Reid" <kinney-reid@email.msn.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:38:55 -0800

--------

I have a highly allergic friend who has become a cat lover because of the

aircleaners with hepafilters. She can now spend time in a room where several

cats live and, as long as she washes her hands afterwards, she is fine. It

is really amazing because she used to have breathing problems for DAYS if

she even briefly visited a friend with cats. If you can afford the air

filter, it may limit the strain on your immune system and avoid the need for

herbs or drugs.

g'luck.

ember











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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: allergies...

From: Dr. S. <drsaul@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:34:39 GMT

--------

Specific recommendations for allergies are posted at

http://doctoryourself.com/allergies.html and

http://doctoryourself.com/allergies_2.html



--

Over 150 additional articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-

site search engine) plus more than 2,000 scientific references on

nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com  I

have no financial connection to the supplement industry. Email

drsaul@juno.com



In article <39ECE45E.A9740295@cpinternet.com>,

  rej@cpinternet.com wrote:

> I have another one of my lovely health problems for you to solve! :o)

>

> What can you recomend for allergies?  Grrrr!  This new cat is driving

me

> buggy!  Love him to death but I'm ready to take my eyes out with a

razor

> blade by the end of the day when I come back in from the

> barn/horses/other pets/etc....anybody else have this problem?  I would

> really be interested in

>





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Before you buy.





==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Recipe for herbal bath gel

From: tbumgardner@hotmail.com

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:21:18 GMT

--------

I purchased a wonderful bath gel/shampoo from an

herbalist and I was looking for a recipe to

recreate it (I can no longer locate the

herbalist). It's thin clear liquid solution with

Peppermint, Vitamin E, and Wheat Germ oil. But

those are the only ingredients I know about. It's

supposed to be all natural and have no

preservatives. If anyone has a recipe that might

help me create something similar, I'd appreciate

it!



Thanks,



Tanya





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Recipe for herbal bath gel

From: tbumgardner@hotmail.com

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:08:04 GMT

--------



> Hi.  you might check www.luxurylane.com   --  lotsa soap, lotion, bath

> receipes



Thanks.  I did.  They do have a lot of recipes that I will test.  But

do you happen to know where I can find liquid glycerin soap or how to

make it?  I have glycerin, but I'm not familiar with glycerin soap.



Tanya





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Recipe for herbal bath gel

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:02:27 -0400

--------

On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:08:04 GMT, tbumgardner@hotmail.com wrote:



>> Hi.  you might check www.luxurylane.com   --  lotsa soap, lotion, bath

>> receipes

>

>Thanks.  I did.  They do have a lot of recipes that I will test.  But

>do you happen to know where I can find liquid glycerin soap or how to

>make it?  I have glycerin, but I'm not familiar with glycerin soap.



I like using Dr Bronner's unscented liquid soap when I need a liquid

soap base. It's not horribly expensive (looks that way at first, but

"Dilute! Dilute! OK!"), it's extremely neutral to the skin IMO, and

it's _very_ easy to find. It's in grocery stores where I live as well

as many drugstores and of course "crunchy" health food stores.



Mari





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Recipe for herbal bath gel

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:52:38 -0400

--------

On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:27:41 -0400, "Leaves & Roots"

<leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com> wrote:



>I'm new to the group so I don't know all the rules & regs, but, ahem, my

>little store just happens to carry vegetable glycerine.



She was talking about glycerin SOAP, not glycerin. She even said she

already had glycerin. :-(



>  tell me if I shouldn't promote my own store like this.



You shouldn't. This is an informational newsgroup, not a commercial

one, and so by Usenet convention it's very uncool to advertise here.

As you've probably noticed, we've had a nasty problem with spamming

(which is just that, trying to sell stuff to people via advertising on

non-commercial newsgroups) lately. :-( You're welcome to put a link to

your site in your signature, though, and your newsgroup-reading

software should tell you how to set up a signature to be appended to

all your posts. Read your help files.



Mari

(who does think you have a pretty nifty site, btw)





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cataracts.

From: "kama-yesha" <kama-yesha@ukonline.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:56:15 -0700

--------

Hi there! This is my first venture into the world of News Groups. But my

wife and I have been told by our Optician and had it confirmed by our GP,

that we have Cataracts. Not bad enough for them to need sorting out yet,

but........So we are trying to do something to minimise the damage, is that

correct? To start with we are taking Bilberry in capsules, which I am

filling myself from  powdered Biblberry Leaves. We are also taking

Hawthorne Berry, for our circulation and to support our heart muscles (we

both have high blood pressure) and I have had a stroke. We are hoping that

this will also contribute to our having

healthier eyes. Any serious advice in this direction would be much

appreciated, as also news of anyone else's experiences of helpful herbal

remedies, case histories, etc. Walt.

















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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cataracts.

From: "Princess_GreenBean" <LeGrow29@Yahoo.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:31:09 -0700

--------

I am 43 and found out that I have cataracts almost two years ago.  I was

greatly upset because of my age.  I was told it was too soon for surgery but

lately I have noticed in my right eye that my vision is getting worse.  Even

with glasses it looks like I am looking through a sun glared dirty window

and my vision isn't as sharp as my left eye is with glasses.  My left eye is

ok and seems to be doing most of the work.  My goal is to try to post pone

surgery as long as possible.  I am taking Bilberry, Vitamin C and Lutein.  I

am interested in any information on cataracts myself.



Is there a natural way to "reverse" them, or to keep it from getting any

worse?  I have researched it through the internet and I haven't come up with

much of anything.



Thanks





"kama-yesha" <kama-yesha@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message

news:5k3H5.20639$6N2.215508@monolith.news.easynet.net...

> Hi there! This is my first venture into the world of News Groups. But my

> wife and I have been told by our Optician and had it confirmed by our GP,

> that we have Cataracts. Not bad enough for them to need sorting out yet,

> but........So we are trying to do something to minimise the damage, is

that

> correct? To start with we are taking Bilberry in capsules, which I am

> filling myself from  powdered Biblberry Leaves. We are also taking

> Hawthorne Berry, for our circulation and to support our heart muscles (we

> both have high blood pressure) and I have had a stroke. We are hoping that

> this will also contribute to our having

> healthier eyes. Any serious advice in this direction would be much

> appreciated, as also news of anyone else's experiences of helpful herbal

> remedies, case histories, etc. Walt.

>

>

>

>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cataracts.

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:07:37 +0300

--------

"kama-yesha" <kama-yesha@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:



>correct? To start with we are taking Bilberry in capsules, which I am

>filling myself from  powdered Biblberry Leaves. We are also taking



You want to do bilberry BERRIES. The leaf doesn't help noticeably with

cataracts.

Any other strongly-colored fruit works just as well. Like, for instance,

cherries, black currants, aronia berries, rowanberries, lingonberries,

cloudberries, cranberries...



Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland      http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: what good for stomach problems??

From: jayfromla@aol.comNOSPAM (jason at jasonsweb.com)

Date: 18 Oct 2000 05:48:19 GMT

--------

I've had problems with my stomach/intestines for a while now.  It started about

seven months ago when I woke up in the middle of the night with dull but

intense pain in the ab region as well as flushed in the face.  They told me I

had a stomach virus.. stupid me believed it.



Well, the intensity wained, but the pain never went away.  So now I've got

somewhat chronic stomach discomfort which gets much worse right after eating.



Doc says I've got a slight hiatal hernia... but he's not convinced that its

causing my problems...



I don't know what to do at this point!  I'm desparate for anything that might

help... I don't want to live with this pain anymore!!!!!!!! I'm only 29!  



any ideas?





--------

Jason M. Dessel ~ Jason@JasonsWeb.com

Web Page: http://www.JasonsWeb.com

"Quantum Physics:The dreams that stuff are made of"







==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: what good for stomach problems??

From: "Sue Green" <sue@datadesign.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:32:26 +0100

--------

you have my empathy and sympathy - digestive problems are hell and hard to

figure out.



If you can see a professional herbalist/homeopathic doctor, mine cost me 25

each time, but the guy saved my life in two weeks after years of getting

sicker and sicker.



Till then, if you have no allergies that you know of get yourself some

Peppermint tea. Also, get some fresh ginger root (or powder if you cant get

root) and pop some small chunks that in some boiled water. The Peppermint

will calm the digestive tract, and the ginger helps to clear blockage and

allow better apetite.



make sure you leave your belly third empty to digest, eat your main meal at

lunchtime. Leave out coffee and fizzy pops. Oatmeal soaked overnight in hot

water is wonderful - just some teaspoons. Warm it in the micro - keep

stirring and heating till it thickens. Less aggravating than oats aparently





You could try taking some peppermint capsules as well, but not too much.





Cant remember the rest off the top of my head, basically you have to start

your diet again and ease the pain before it stops you eating altogether.  My

Mum has hernia and she says fried foods are BAAAAD but she treats herself

occasionally.



what do you eat in a typical day??



Sue



jason at jasonsweb.com wrote in message

<20001018014819.19482.00000168@ng-fi1.aol.com>...

>I've had problems with my stomach/intestines for a while now.  It started

about

>seven months ago when I woke up in the middle of the night with dull but

>intense pain in the ab region as well as flushed in the face.  They told me

I

>had a stomach virus.. stupid me believed it.

>

>Well, the intensity wained, but the pain never went away.  So now I've got

>somewhat chronic stomach discomfort which gets much worse right after

eating.

>

>Doc says I've got a slight hiatal hernia... but he's not convinced that its

>causing my problems...

>

>I don't know what to do at this point!  I'm desparate for anything that

might

>help... I don't want to live with this pain anymore!!!!!!!! I'm only 29!

>

>any ideas?

>

>

>--------

>Jason M. Dessel ~ Jason@JasonsWeb.com

>Web Page: http://www.JasonsWeb.com

>"Quantum Physics:The dreams that stuff are made of"

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: what good for stomach problems??

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:02:02 -0400

--------

On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:32:26 +0100, "Sue Green" <sue@datadesign.co.uk>

wrote:



>Till then, if you have no allergies that you know of get yourself some

>Peppermint tea. Also, get some fresh ginger root (or powder if you cant get

>root) and pop some small chunks that in some boiled water. The Peppermint

>will calm the digestive tract, and the ginger helps to clear blockage and

>allow better apetite.



If Jason has gastric reflux, which usually comes along with hiatal

hernia, this is almost the worst thing he could take. The heartburn

from both of these botanicals is worse than the initial hernia problem

- it's like throwing gasoline on a bonfire when those herbs come back

up into the esophagus. Ow ow ow ow ow. I prefer to use demulcents like

slippery elm and marshmallow to soothe my stomach (gastric reflux and

the beginnings of a hiatal hernia which causes nearly chronic

heartburn and stomach pain if I "misbehave," plus IBS for which I use

enteric-coated peppermint capsules). At times I have to take my

regular meals and graze on them all day instead of eating a proper

full meal at one time, because more than a few bites at a time can be

very painful. When that happens I drink slippery elm and marshmallow

tea (flavored with a little spice or citrus peel or something else

nice-tasting, because it's very blah) almost constantly. I just make

up a big jug and keep it in the refrigerator, and sip on it all day

long. I've found the combination of nibbling to not strain the stomach

and the demulcent tea really helps, and a flare-up can pass quickly.

(Then I go and eat pizza and repeat the process... I'm such a dope.

*grin*)



Mari





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: what good for stomach problems??

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:46:28 -0700

--------



"John & Mari Morgan" <johnmari@gis.net> wrote in message

news:smmrusgrunp9r6qpn8h7s9e56dk3vtvje7@4ax.com...

[interesting discussion of herbal treatment for GERD snipped...]



> (Then I go and eat pizza and repeat the process... I'm such a dope.

> *grin*)

>

> Mari



Hi Mari -



My partner has GERD too, and finds that it helps a lot to sleep on a bed

wedge on those 'pizza nights'.  It also seems to help to move dinner back a

little earlier in the evening if what we're going to be eating is something

spicy.



Nancy













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: what good for stomach problems??

From: "Rebecca" <BubbaCat@mwt.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:53:58 -0500

--------

We've been using aloe vera gel (not juice) & acidophilus (????) for my

husbands acid reflux & other problems. Plus, we've switched our main meal to

noon, with fruit at night & no dairy after about 3:00pm. He hasn't had any

problems in months & his were pretty bad. It worked so well for him that his

brother is now doing the same thing. Try it. It just might help.

"N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote in message

news:tvFH5.11017$cO4.235633@nntp3.onemain.com...

>

> "John & Mari Morgan" <johnmari@gis.net> wrote in message

> news:smmrusgrunp9r6qpn8h7s9e56dk3vtvje7@4ax.com...

> [interesting discussion of herbal treatment for GERD snipped...]

>

> > (Then I go and eat pizza and repeat the process... I'm such a dope.

> > *grin*)

> >

> > Mari

>

> Hi Mari -

>

> My partner has GERD too, and finds that it helps a lot to sleep on a bed

> wedge on those 'pizza nights'.  It also seems to help to move dinner back

a

> little earlier in the evening if what we're going to be eating is

something

> spicy.

>

> Nancy

>

>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: what good for stomach problems??

From: "Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:29:19 -0400

--------

well Sue,

I think that you are both right , depending on the person,, I find the

peppermint tea helps me alot sometimes, and others i find that a simple

glass of milk and an antacid helps , it depends on what or how much I ate ,

I have a hiatle hernia and gastro reflux. so I am familiar with the pain ,

but don't like the chemical `med the doc requested I take,,

also the time of day that you eat is important as well , I can't eat late at

night or I can't sleep , as my stomache doesn't close off like most peoples,

probly due to the hernia,

I havent tried the ginger root tho, what else is it good for,, they sell it

in the market here in florida.



Sue Green <sue@datadesign.co.uk> wrote in message

news:IlyH5.33801$6N2.271070@monolith.news.easynet.net...

>there you are - listening to an amateur like me can be dangerous - hope you

>are okay and ignored what I said for the sensible advice

>

>

>Sue

>

>

>

>

>John & Mari Morgan wrote in message ...

>>On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:32:26 +0100, "Sue Green" <sue@datadesign.co.uk>

>>wrote:

>>

>>>Till then, if you have no allergies that you know of get yourself some

>>>Peppermint tea. Also, get some fresh ginger root (or powder if you cant

>get

>>>root) and pop some small chunks that in some boiled water. The Peppermint

>>>will calm the digestive tract, and the ginger helps to clear blockage and

>>>allow better apetite.

>>

>>If Jason has gastric reflux, which usually comes along with hiatal

>>hernia, this is almost the worst thing he could take. The heartburn

>>from both of these botanicals is worse than the initial hernia problem

>>- it's like throwing gasoline on a bonfire when those herbs come back

>>up into the esophagus. Ow ow ow ow ow. I prefer to use demulcents like

>>slippery elm and marshmallow to soothe my stomach (gastric reflux and

>>the beginnings of a hiatal hernia which causes nearly chronic

>>heartburn and stomach pain if I "misbehave," plus IBS for which I use

>>enteric-coated peppermint capsules). At times I have to take my

>>regular meals and graze on them all day instead of eating a proper

>>full meal at one time, because more than a few bites at a time can be

>>very painful. When that happens I drink slippery elm and marshmallow

>>tea (flavored with a little spice or citrus peel or something else

>>nice-tasting, because it's very blah) almost constantly. I just make

>>up a big jug and keep it in the refrigerator, and sip on it all day

>>long. I've found the combination of nibbling to not strain the stomach

>>and the demulcent tea really helps, and a flare-up can pass quickly.

>>(Then I go and eat pizza and repeat the process... I'm such a dope.

>>*grin*)

>>

>>Mari

>

>









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Subject: Re: what good for stomach problems??

From: sarah <suraya@cyberbeach.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:58:49 -0400

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ginger is good if you have a flu; use the root in decocation.

actually, it's most common and best use (at least in my household) is during

cold or flu season .. and it cures motion sickness, hangovers, headaches, and

all nausea types .. especially those associated with the colds and flus, or even

just in any other way.  It's kinda like garlic in that way, which is the

universal cure for almost anything. I can't remember exactly how it works again,

but it builds up the immune system to combat illness; apparently ginger works in

the same way.  Hope this helps.



~* Sarah



Lady Wendy wrote:



> well Sue,

> I think that you are both right , depending on the person,, I find the

> peppermint tea helps me alot sometimes, and others i find that a simple

> glass of milk and an antacid helps , it depends on what or how much I ate ,

> I have a hiatle hernia and gastro reflux. so I am familiar with the pain ,

> but don't like the chemical `med the doc requested I take,,

> also the time of day that you eat is important as well , I can't eat late at

> night or I can't sleep , as my stomache doesn't close off like most peoples,

> probly due to the hernia,

> I havent tried the ginger root tho, what else is it good for,, they sell it

> in the market here in florida.

>

> Sue Green <sue@datadesign.co.uk> wrote in message

> news:IlyH5.33801$6N2.271070@monolith.news.easynet.net...

> >there you are - listening to an amateur like me can be dangerous - hope you

> >are okay and ignored what I said for the sensible advice

> >

> >

> >Sue

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >John & Mari Morgan wrote in message ...

> >>On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:32:26 +0100, "Sue Green" <sue@datadesign.co.uk>

> >>wrote:

> >>

> >>>Till then, if you have no allergies that you know of get yourself some

> >>>Peppermint tea. Also, get some fresh ginger root (or powder if you cant

> >get

> >>>root) and pop some small chunks that in some boiled water. The Peppermint

> >>>will calm the digestive tract, and the ginger helps to clear blockage and

> >>>allow better apetite.

> >>

> >>If Jason has gastric reflux, which usually comes along with hiatal

> >>hernia, this is almost the worst thing he could take. The heartburn

> >>from both of these botanicals is worse than the initial hernia problem

> >>- it's like throwing gasoline on a bonfire when those herbs come back

> >>up into the esophagus. Ow ow ow ow ow. I prefer to use demulcents like

> >>slippery elm and marshmallow to soothe my stomach (gastric reflux and

> >>the beginnings of a hiatal hernia which causes nearly chronic

> >>heartburn and stomach pain if I "misbehave," plus IBS for which I use

> >>enteric-coated peppermint capsules). At times I have to take my

> >>regular meals and graze on them all day instead of eating a proper

> >>full meal at one time, because more than a few bites at a time can be

> >>very painful. When that happens I drink slippery elm and marshmallow

> >>tea (flavored with a little spice or citrus peel or something else

> >>nice-tasting, because it's very blah) almost constantly. I just make

> >>up a big jug and keep it in the refrigerator, and sip on it all day

> >>long. I've found the combination of nibbling to not strain the stomach

> >>and the demulcent tea really helps, and a flare-up can pass quickly.

> >>(Then I go and eat pizza and repeat the process... I'm such a dope.

> >>*grin*)

> >>

> >>Mari

> >

> >







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Subject: Re: what good for stomach problems??

From: jayfromla@aol.comNOSPAM (jason at jasonsweb.com)

Date: 19 Oct 2000 08:25:18 GMT

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>

>Try some Glutamine Powder. It works wonders.

>I use between 1/2 teaspoon and 1 teaspoon.



Hi Steve.



What's wrong with your stomach that these herbs help with?



thanks for your reply..



-j.







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Subject: Re: what good for stomach problems??

From: jayfromla@aol.comNOSPAM (jason at jasonsweb.com)

Date: 19 Oct 2000 08:30:36 GMT

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thank you for your suggestions, everyone.



Its so strange... I never had any stomach pain in my whole life, and then all

of a sudden like 6 or 7 months ago, it just kicked in from seemingly nowhere..

I just don't get it.  So depressing, though.. and distracting!!



So although the doc DXed me with a hiatal hernia and reflux, he doesn't think

its causing all the generalized discomfort I feel in the intestinal region

(centered a few inches above the naval).  Anyone have any comments about this? 

Chronic discomfort that is made worse by eating.



The endoscopy revealed the hh w/ reflux, but no ulceration.



I'm 29 -- I hope I'm not going to have to live like this for the rest of my

life! :(



so far I had upper&lower gi (nothing revealed), ultrasound (nothing),

choloangeogram (mri of pancreas, gb, etc.. --revealed nothing).  Endoscopy was,

like I said, positive for what the doctor refers to as a "slight" hh.  I think

he wants to do an xray of my intestines next.



Do people ever get hh's fixed?



HELP!  I feel like I want to die -- this is really interfering with my life!!!!









- Jason



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Subject: Re: what good for stomach problems??

From: evbiggio@swbell.net (evelyn biggio)

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:05:55 GMT

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Jason - are you a milk drinker like most young men??  If so, try

stopping and it might work.  I had sever stomach pain  with no

findings on x-rays, etc., not even a hh and finally a doc suggested I

might be reacting to milk products.  Worked like a charm, and within

days after stopping the dairy products I stopped having the pain.

Worth a try??

Evelyn

On 19 Oct 2000 08:30:36 GMT, jayfromla@aol.comNOSPAM (jason at

jasonsweb.com) wrote:



>thank you for your suggestions, everyone.

>

>Its so strange... I never had any stomach pain in my whole life, and then all

>of a sudden like 6 or 7 months ago, it just kicked in from seemingly nowhere..

>I just don't get it.  So depressing, though.. and distracting!!

>

>So although the doc DXed me with a hiatal hernia and reflux, he doesn't think

>its causing all the generalized discomfort I feel in the intestinal region

>(centered a few inches above the naval).  Anyone have any comments about this? 

>Chronic discomfort that is made worse by eating.

>

>The endoscopy revealed the hh w/ reflux, but no ulceration.

>

>I'm 29 -- I hope I'm not going to have to live like this for the rest of my

>life! :(

>

>so far I had upper&lower gi (nothing revealed), ultrasound (nothing),

>choloangeogram (mri of pancreas, gb, etc.. --revealed nothing).  Endoscopy was,

>like I said, positive for what the doctor refers to as a "slight" hh.  I think

>he wants to do an xray of my intestines next.

>

>Do people ever get hh's fixed?

>

>HELP!  I feel like I want to die -- this is really interfering with my life!!!!

>

>

>

>

>- Jason

>

>--------

>Jason M. Dessel ~ Jason@JasonsWeb.com

>Web Page: http://www.JasonsWeb.com

>"Quantum Physics:The dreams that stuff are made of"

>







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Subject: Re: herbs not Ritalin

From: goddess_kitten@my-deja.com

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:38:02 GMT

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In article <000d23fe@GratisNet.com>,

  "George Lagergren" <	George.Lagergren@NoSpamgratisnet.com> wrote:

>

>

> 	Topic:  herbs not Ritalin

>

> "Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net>  wrote:         10-16-00  21:55

> LW> Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew what the herbal alternative

> LW> to ritalin is. any info would be helpful.

>

> "Rose" <roseherr@stargate.net>  replied:

> Ro> So called ADD may be a natural temperamental difference.





AD/HD is *not* a "tempermental difference."  It is a neurological

difference.



http://www.mhsource.com/hy/brainadhd.html



--

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"Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never

forgotten this." - Anonymous

"Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your

living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude

for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui





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Subject: Re: herbs not Ritalin

From: goddess_kitten@my-deja.com

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:30:38 GMT

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In article <sus98p89rdu2fb@corp.supernews.com>,

  "Rose" <roseherr@stargate.net> wrote:

> Thanks for clarifying that. A      -neurological difference- that is

> associated with the symptoms and behaviors which define the criteria

for

> ADD.

>





You're welcome.



If you're interested, there is lots of information on

http://add.about.com , including information on scientific data and

studies, and on needed coping skills.  There's also good information on

http://www.cyber-mall.com/asad .





--

Light, Love, & Laughter,

Kitten, Goddess of Mischief



"Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never

forgotten this." - Anonymous

"Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your

living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude

for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui





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Subject: Re: herbs not Ritalin

From: "MS" <marshmallow5@yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:17:53 GMT

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Agreeing wholeheartedly with goddess_kitten.  The idea behind ADD is that

it's underactivity in the prefrontal cortex, which controls things like

attention and impulse control etc.  Drugs like ritalin stimulants are

thought to activate the underactive PFC.  Many herbal stimulants (like

ephedra) probably have a worse potential for side effects.  Whether or not

one wants to try ritalin, a behavior modification program with a

psychologist is a good idea to help the child learn coping skills and

increase their adaptive behaviors.



Marcello





George Lagergren < George.Lagergren@NoSpamgratisnet.com> wrote in message

news:000d23fe@GratisNet.com...

>

>

> Topic:  herbs not Ritalin

>

> "Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net>  wrote:         10-16-00  21:55

> LW> Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew what the herbal alternative

> LW> to ritalin is. any info would be helpful.

>

> "Rose" <roseherr@stargate.net>  replied:

> Ro> So called ADD may be a natural temperamental difference. (ie our

> Ro> society currently values certain temperamental characteristics and

> Ro> labels anything else "abnormal"). Try identifying the child's

strengths

> Ro> and building on those. For example, ADD is associated with genius.

>

>     BTW, I listened to a recent radio info commerical about a new

>     natural health product called "Focus Factor".  The radio program

>     said the product improves concentration.  Maybe a web search

>     engine might yield hits on "Focus Factor" ??????????

>

>     I can post additional details later.

>

> .. End  of  message                                 16 Oct 00  21:58

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Subject: Re: herbs not Ritalin

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 04:50:37 -0700

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"MS" <marshmallow5@yahoo.com> wrote:



>Agreeing wholeheartedly with goddess_kitten.  The idea behind ADD is that

>it's underactivity in the prefrontal cortex, which controls things like

>attention and impulse control etc.  

  

  

Nicotine was mentioned, but somehow seeing Johnny smoking doesn't

sound too good.  Several herbs (lobelia for one) have chemically

similar compounds that might have the same effect.  















Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: herbs not Ritalin

From: goddess_kitten@my-deja.com

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:56:12 GMT

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In article <gjk5vsogl5h2dn8m0tc6hn10k8v3or91ms@4ax.com>,

  Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "MS" <marshmallow5@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> >Agreeing wholeheartedly with goddess_kitten.  The idea behind ADD is

that

> >it's underactivity in the prefrontal cortex, which controls things

like

> >attention and impulse control etc.

>

> Nicotine was mentioned, but somehow seeing Johnny smoking doesn't

> sound too good.  Several herbs (lobelia for one) have chemically

> similar compounds that might have the same effect.

>





When it comes to my children and things as serious as medications, I

prefer to *not* make it myself from herbs for which I do not have enough

information about the source (ie soil nutrients, chemical usage,

conditions at time of harvest, etc).



--

Light, Love, & Laughter,

Kitten, Goddess of Mischief



"Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never

forgotten this." - Anonymous

"Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your

living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude

for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui





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Subject: Re: herbs not Ritalin

From: "Deb" <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:37:56 -0700

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>

> When it comes to my children and things as serious as medications, I

> prefer to *not* make it myself from herbs for which I do not have enough

> information about the source (ie soil nutrients, chemical usage,

> conditions at time of harvest, etc) >

> --

> Light, Love, & Laughter,

> Kitten, Goddess of Mischief

>



Do you have enough information about the source when you are considering

factory made medicines?   (ie soil nutrients, chemical usage, conditions at

time of harvest, etc)  Throw in the question of whether the product was made

during the Monday hangover or the Friday early start on the weekend.  At

least you can control that variable if you make your own medicines.  ;>



Deb











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Subject: Re: herbs not Ritalin

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 03:46:09 -0700

--------

"Deb" <debra@teleport.com> wrote:



>Do you have enough information about the source when you are considering

>factory made medicines?   (ie soil nutrients, chemical usage, conditions at

>time of harvest, etc)  Throw in the question of whether the product was made

>during the Monday hangover or the Friday early start on the weekend.  At

>least you can control that variable if you make your own medicines.  



That is, if you have had a complete soil analysis done, corrected

any defi9ciencies (assuming you also know what conditions each

herb needs and are able to provide it) and full control of the

weather during harvest.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: herbs not Ritalin

From: goddess_kitten@my-deja.com

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 03:23:28 GMT

--------

In article <cVaJ5.18247$4u4.817273@nntp1.onemain.com>,

  "Deb" <debra@teleport.com> wrote:

> >

> > When it comes to my children and things as serious as medications, I

> > prefer to *not* make it myself from herbs for which I do not have

enough

> > information about the source (ie soil nutrients, chemical usage,

> > conditions at time of harvest, etc) >

> > --

> > Light, Love, & Laughter,

> > Kitten, Goddess of Mischief

> >

>

> Do you have enough information about the source when you are

considering

> factory made medicines?   (ie soil nutrients, chemical usage,

conditions at

> time of harvest, etc)  Throw in the question of whether the product

was made

> during the Monday hangover or the Friday early start on the weekend.

At

> least you can control that variable if you make your own medicines.

;>

>





I know what it's like to meet govt safety regs (used to work HSE).  And

I haven't heard of many commercial herb growers who have certification

of meeting the safety regs.



--

Light, Love, & Laughter,

Kitten, Goddess of Mischief



"Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never

forgotten this." - Anonymous

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for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui





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Subject: Thanks to all who helped

From: graywolf@texas.net (Michelle L. Orlando)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:38:31 GMT

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Thank you to all of you who answered my message I posted about my

being stung by the wasp and when I was in pain, the advice to help

stop it!  I have saved these helpful suggestions for any, hopefully

not, future stings to myself or my family



Michelle





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Subject: Re: Thanks to all who helped

From: "MS" <marshmallow5@yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:04:26 GMT

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I just thought of clove oil. It has a local anesthetic effect when rubbed on

the skin. It's also used for teething babies.









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Subject: Old: breasts

From: grreenwolf@aol.com (Grreenwolf)

Date: 19 Oct 2000 22:21:25 GMT

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I know this is an old topic. I'm sorry, but I just came to this group.



I heard that Saw Palmetto, extensively taken, does increase breast size. I know

it's a "male herb" but it worked a little for me. you'd need to take a lot,

though.





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Subject: Re: let's try again, Herbal instead of ritalin.

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:39:47 -0700

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Hi Wendy -



Some people think that Ginko helps with ADD - my partner uses it in addition

to her Ritalin, and she thinks it helps her.  Pycnogenol is also thought by

some to help ADD.



Hope this helps,



Nancy



"Lady Wendy" <ladywendy@knology.net> wrote in message

news:q1TH5.22289$Ou2.1109079@news-east.usenetserver.com...

> "what is the NAME OF THE HEBAL used instead of ritalin, "

> I believe this to be KAVA KAVA. but am not sure.

>

> I understand (more than you know ) about what is or isn't ADD, and who is

or

> isn't qualified to diagnose , and what the side effects are and what the

> "symptoms" of and ADD/ADHD child are, how thay act what their typical

> mannerisms are and all of that ..

>

> I simply wanted to know if anyone had any clue of the NAME  of that HERB.

> I apologise for seeming ungrateful for your responses. but if you know I

> would like to know , if not that is okay too,,

>

> Thanks again for the concern of the ones that did give a reply, (to my

> question).

>

>









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Subject: Re: let's try again, Herbal instead of ritalin.

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 23 Oct 2000 07:31:23 GMT

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> what is Pycnogenol? I've not heard of that one before.



Pycnogenol (R) is a French maritime pine bark extract produced by Henkel, if I

remember correctly.







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Subject: Re: Valerian & driving

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:43:00 -0400

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On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 07:19:23 +1000, "Lindsay Martin"

<lindsay_martin@start.com.au> wrote:



>Visiting various websites on herbs, I'm reading contradictory statements

>about whether driving is okay when taking valerian.  Some say go ahead,

>others say don't.  Of course, it's used to help with sleep, but I guess the

>issue on daytime use is whether it causes drowsiness as opposed to calmness.

>

>Any opinions on this?



I think a lot of it depends on how you in particular respond to

valerian. Some people do get drowsy or dopey when taking it during the

day (or get "hangovers" from taking it the night before), while others

just get "mellow." So be careful, but if your reaction time and

reflexes remain good on valerian, I don't see why driving should be a

problem.



Mari





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Subject: Re: Valerian & driving

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:14:15 -0700

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It also depends on the dose. It's probably best to use a few drops of

valerian tincture 2-3 times a day to help you stay calm plus a larger dose

at bedtime then the take a whoppong dose at bedtime to knock you out.









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Subject: Re: Valerian & driving

From: "MS" <marshmallow5@yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:03:42 GMT

--------



From medline (http://research.bmn.com/medline):



[Vigilance-decreasing effects of 2 plant-derived sedatives]

Gerhard U, Linnenbrink N, Georghiadou C, Hobi V

Schweiz Rundsch Med Prax 1996 Apr 9 85:15 473-81



Abstract



Previous studies on the efficacy of valerian extracts have given occasional

hints of possible side effects involving impaired vigilance. Because of the

currently insufficient knowledge about potential impairment of vigilance by

plant-based sedatives, we have conducted a controlled study to assess the

effects of two plant-based sleep remedies in comparison with flunitrazepam

and placebo after single oral administration. Aim of the study was to derive

recommendations concerning potential hazards in driving or operating

machinery. Residual sedative effects (hangover) were examined in four groups

of 20 healthy volunteers, receiving either tablets containing valerian and

hops or syrup containing valerian only or flunitrazepam or placebo;

furthermore, immediate sedative effects of the two plant preparations have

been examined in comparison with placebo (three groups of twelve healthy

volunteers). The tests included objective measurements of cognitive

psychomotor performance as well as subjective questionnaires on well-being.

Tolerability was assessed from spontaneous reports of side effects and a

verbal inquiry at the end of the tests. We found that objectively measurable

impairment of performance on the morning after medication occurred only in

the flunitrazepam group, a finding which was even more pronounced in the

subjective questionnaires. In addition, 50% of the volunteers in the

flunitrazepam group reported mild side effects in the inquiry at the end of

the tests, compared with only 10% from the other groups. The subjective

perception of sleep quality was improved in all three medication groups,

when compared to placebo. Examination of acute effects of the plant remedies

1 to 2 hours after administration revealed no changes in the more important

lead variables; however, a very slight impairment of vigilance after taking

syrup was statistically significant as well as a retardation in the

processing of complex information for the tablets. The subjective perception

of effects was more pronounced (shaky legs, feeling less active). In

conclusion, the residual sedative effects (hangover) observed in some

earlier studies cannot be confirmed for the recommended doses of the two

plant-based sleep remedies which we have examined with respect to vigilance

and cognitive performance. On the contrary: our findings show improved

subjective self-assessment (more alert, more active, feeling better).

Hangover effects on the following morning need not be a cause for concern,

which is of particular interest to car drivers; however, a slight impairment

of performance during the first few hours after ingestion should be

anticipated. Impairment of vigilance on the morning after ingestion of

benzodiazepines, frequently reported and confirmed by our results,

constitutes a potential hazard. In this situation, plant remedies such as

those examined in this study should be considered as viable alternatives.













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Subject: Re: Valerian & driving

From: "caljet" <tjnimmo@pacbell.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:20:44 -0700

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If it were me, I would restrict its use to the night-time only, because it

makes me mellow out in smaller doses, and get really sleepy in larger

doses.  My husband however gets really wound up when he takes it,

so I suppose your individual reaction to it would determine your usage.



How do you normally react to it in normal doses?  If the bottle says take

two pills, what will that do to you?  As opposed to one pill or 1/2 a pill?

This should determine what you do with it during the daytime (and whether

you should take something else instead).



Caljet



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--anonymous

"Lindsay Martin" <lindsay_martin@start.com.au> wrote in message

news:8sqcvf$1ep9$1@corolla.OntheNet.com.au...

> Visiting various websites on herbs, I'm reading contradictory statements

> about whether driving is okay when taking valerian.  Some say go ahead,

> others say don't.  Of course, it's used to help with sleep, but I guess

the

> issue on daytime use is whether it causes drowsiness as opposed to

calmness.

>

> Any opinions on this?

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto herb

From: grreenwolf@aol.com (Grreenwolf)

Date: 21 Oct 2000 18:07:51 GMT

--------

>From "George Lagergren" <George.Lagergren@NoSpamgratisnet.com:

>

>

>	grreenwolf@aol.com (Grreenwolf)  wrote:                10-19-00  21:05

>

>Gr> I heard that Saw Palmetto, extensively taken, does increase breast

>Gr> size. I know it's a "male herb" but it worked a little for me. 

>Gr> you'd need to take a lot, though.

>

>    I just recently listened to a radio info commerical which said

>    a capsule (or caplet) of the nutrient beta-sitosterol is eqivalent

>    to taking three pounds of the herb saw palmetto.

>

>    Vitamin houses are beginning to sell beta-sitosterol now.

>

>





Thank you. That's something I'll have to check out. Saw Palmetto is usually for

men for the prostate. But it can increase breast size in women, too. It might

be safer to try Blessed Thistle, as suggested before, but I'll check that out.

I really don't know what is an unsafe amount for an adult woman to take. 







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Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto herb

From: Alan Pollock <nexus@king.cts.com>

Date: 21 Oct 2000 22:21:21 GMT

--------



Funny, I *heard* that it didn't. I also *heard* that beta-sitosterol is

completely useless for prostate enlargement.



That's a lot of hearing. You heard this, I heard that. Looks like all points

of view on this are neutralized until references are given, which is why I'm

goading like this :) Nex





George Lagergren < George.Lagergren@nospamgratisnet.com> wrote:





> 	grreenwolf@aol.com (Grreenwolf)  wrote:                10-19-00  21:05



> Gr> I heard that Saw Palmetto, extensively taken, does increase breast

> Gr> size. I know it's a "male herb" but it worked a little for me. 

> Gr> you'd need to take a lot, though.



>     I just recently listened to a radio info commerical which said

>     a capsule (or caplet) of the nutrient beta-sitosterol is eqivalent

>     to taking three pounds of the herb saw palmetto.



>     Vitamin houses are beginning to sell beta-sitosterol now.



> .. End  of  message                                 19 Oct 00  21:13

> ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]



> GratisNet - Tulsa, OK



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Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto herb

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:41:25 +0000

--------

Hi



Typical specification on saw palmetto soft extract 85% min fatty acids

lists beta-sitosterol at 0.15%, so yes, if you are after this component,

you'd have to chow through a lot of saw palmetto to get it.



Do you get those cholesterol lowering margarines in the States?  The

'plant stanol esters' they talk about are beta-sitosterol sourced from

paper / wood pulp production.  



YUMMY!



Nick



-------



Alan Pollock wrote:

> 

> Funny, I *heard* that it didn't. I also *heard* that beta-sitosterol is

> completely useless for prostate enlargement.

> 

> That's a lot of hearing. You heard this, I heard that. Looks like all points

> of view on this are neutralized until references are given, which is why I'm

> goading like this :) Nex

> 

> George Lagergren < George.Lagergren@nospamgratisnet.com> wrote:

> 

> >       grreenwolf@aol.com (Grreenwolf)  wrote:                10-19-00  21:05

> 

> > Gr> I heard that Saw Palmetto, extensively taken, does increase breast

> > Gr> size. I know it's a "male herb" but it worked a little for me.

> > Gr> you'd need to take a lot, though.

> 

> >     I just recently listened to a radio info commerical which said

> >     a capsule (or caplet) of the nutrient beta-sitosterol is eqivalent

> >     to taking three pounds of the herb saw palmetto.

> 

> >     Vitamin houses are beginning to sell beta-sitosterol now.

> 

> > .. End  of  message                                 19 Oct 00  21:13

> > ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]

> 

> > GratisNet - Tulsa, OK

> 

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Subject: Progesterone

From: "winnie" <kchewh@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:13:35 GMT

--------

Has anyone been using natural progesterone cream for menapausal symtoms

and other female problems.Thanks,winnie











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Subject: Re: herbs for acne

From: "Catherine Symonds" <WCSYMONDS@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:26:07 -0700

--------



Acne/pimples can be an imbalance of either liver deficiency or liver excess.

Hormonal imbalance could also be an underlying cause.  In either case, a

liver cleanse would be very beneficial, followed by an herbal regime that

contains liver-balancing herbs.



My hormone-induced acne is kept under control with Dandelion Root and

Burdock Root, plus other hormone-balancing herbs, taken internally.

Externally, after washing my face and applying a toner (of fresh parsley,

peppermint and sage infused in witch hazel), I apply an essential oil blend

according to my complexion's needs: Rosemary, German Chamomile, Juniper

Berry, Geranium and Carrot Seed (for their antiseptic, anti-inflammatory,

and astringent qualities) at the onset of a breakout; Bulgarian Lavender,

Frankincense, Clary Sage, and Carrot Seed (for their balancing and

regenerating properties) when it's subsiding.  Tea Tree Oil is fine to dab

on neat on the blemishes occasionally, but I also find dabbing on Gotu Kola

extract (vegetable-glycerin-based) is excellent for quick-healing and

anti-scarring.



Catherine



"Jasmin" <choyjasmin@pd.jaring.my> wrote in message

news:8soear$j1p$1@news4.jaring.my...

> Hi,

>

> I'd like to know if there is any herbs I can use for those nasty acnes

that

> tend to reside under the skin. I'm not talking about puny pimples, these

are

> angry red acnes. I just don't know why it's poppong out like crazy

nowadays.

> And I need to know how to get rid of the red splotchy marks after it has

> subsided.

>

> Perhaps something to be taken orally. Somehow, fresh aloe vera gel on my

> skin makes me itch. And I'm an idiot. I tried putting Banana Boat aloe

vera

> gel after a nasty sunburn once and it made me break out more. I'm dabbing

> Body Shop tea tree oil straight on my skin right now. Have to wait for a

> week to see some reults.

>

> Jas

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: herbs for acne

From: "Jasmin" <choyjasmin@pd.jaring.my>

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:31:08 +0800

--------

I'd like to thank everyone for their suggestions.



About a month ago, I tried two liver cleansing herbs. One is called Noni and

the other is Neem.



Anyone heard of Noni? It's suppose to be a "cure all" herb ie antiseptic,

and it's suppose to have a chemical that heals wounds. This herb is grown

commercially in Hawaii and can be found in just any South East Asian

countries. Anyways, the day after I tried it, my face erupted and haven't

stopped ever since. Arghhhhh! The person who recommended the herb said that

my liver is very "dirty" and the toxins just found it's way out through my

skin hence the red ugly volcanoes.



After that, I thought I'd try an ayurvedic herb called neem. It's an

antiseptic herb and liver cleansing also. Sigh! That didn't help either.



I figured that perhaps I'm taking too much of these liver cleansing stuff

and my body is reacting to the overload and now, all I want to do is to get

my skin back into it's former clear state. Also, I feel that my hormones

could also be out of whack and I need to balance it. I need to find some

easy-to-get herbs off the counter.



Would anyone care to comment on this?



Thanks



Jas













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Subject: Golden Aster: any medicinal qualities?

From: "DeSelms" <deselms@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:28:04 GMT

--------

Hi!



I'm looking for any evidence that Golden Aster, also called Silkgrass

(Pityopsis graminifolia) has/had any medicinal claims. I cannot seem to

find any medicinal or lore info on this plant. 



Thanks!

Dawn 







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Subject: Newbie question/ fluid extracts & palatability

From: William Enright <wenright@uswest.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:54:08 -0500

--------

My wife and myself are new to the herbal scene so this may

seem like a stupid question.



My wife has a highly sensitive stomach/taste buds and has

found it difficult to consume the fluid extracts even

diluted in 8 oz of tea.  Obviously we're missing something

in experienced preparation.  Do we evaporate some of the

alcohol content off, and if so by what method???  Or does

anyone have a tea / drink that best covers the

unpleasantness of alcohol extracts.



Of course one solution would be to consume in capsule form,

but why ingest all of that silica if it isn't necessary.



Thanks



William Enright







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Subject: Re: Newbie question/ fluid extracts & palatability

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:45:25 -0700

--------



If the problem is only the alcohol, see if you can locate some

glycerol-extracted herbs.  These are usually marked 'for children'.  If it's

the basic taste of the herbs that are objectionable (and some certainly

are), she might try mixing the extract in a little orange juice in a shot

glass, and having another glass of juice ready.  Hold your breath, bolt the

herbs down ala 'doing a shot', and drink as much of the glass of juice as

possible before breathing.  As you can probably tell, I don't like the taste

of a lot of the herbal extracts much, either :-)



Nancy



"William Enright" <wenright@uswest.net> wrote in message

news:39F3A850.7BBD2502@uswest.net...

> My wife and myself are new to the herbal scene so this may

> seem like a stupid question.

>

> My wife has a highly sensitive stomach/taste buds and has

> found it difficult to consume the fluid extracts even

> diluted in 8 oz of tea.  Obviously we're missing something

> in experienced preparation.  Do we evaporate some of the

> alcohol content off, and if so by what method???  Or does

> anyone have a tea / drink that best covers the

> unpleasantness of alcohol extracts.

>

> Of course one solution would be to consume in capsule form,

> but why ingest all of that silica if it isn't necessary.

>

> Thanks

>

> William Enright

>









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Subject: Re: Newbie question/ fluid extracts & palatability

From: "Faye" <crabtreeridge@mindspring.com>

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:30:59 -0500

--------

N. Katherine Wolfe wrote in message ...



 she might try mixing the extract in a little orange juice in a shot

>glass, and having another glass of juice ready.





I've found that grape juice does a better job of killing bad tastes.



Faye













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Subject: Re: Newbie question/ fluid extracts & palatability

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:38:14 -0400

--------

On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:45:25 -0700, "N. Katherine Wolfe"

<nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote:



> If it's

>the basic taste of the herbs that are objectionable (and some certainly

>are), she might try mixing the extract in a little orange juice in a shot

>glass, and having another glass of juice ready.  Hold your breath, bolt the

>herbs down ala 'doing a shot', and drink as much of the glass of juice as

>possible before breathing. 



This is exactly what I do, although I don't use OJ - that much acid

almost guarantees a "bounce." :-( Use your favorite strongly flavored,

very sweet juice. The flavored white grape juices Welch's makes are

good for this use!



If you're making your own products, I recently saw an old "master

rule" that said to use 3 parts of the active ingredient, 1 part of a

demulcent (to be nice to the stomach) and 1 part of an aromatic like

cinnamon, licorice root, or something else good tasting. I may well

switch to doing it that way, because some of the herbs I routinely

take are particularly vile. I _still_ want to know why so many

medicinal herbs taste like used sweatsocks. *grin*



Mari





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Subject: Re: Newbie question/ fluid extracts & palatability

From: "Faye" <crabtreeridge@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 02:26:33 -0500

--------



John & Mari Morgan wrote in message ...

>On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:45:25 -0700, "N. Katherine Wolfe"

><nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote:



 I _still_ want to know why so many

>medicinal herbs taste like used sweatsocks. *grin*





Actually, I think an old sweatsock might taste good compared to some

of the draughts I've swilled down--but they've worked when doctors

could not offer satisfactory solutions.  I'll take a foul-tasting

potent potion over surgery anyday!



Faye in the colorful hills of Tennessee

Live lightly on the land











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Subject: Re: Newbie question/ fluid extracts & palatability

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 24 Oct 2000 06:58:31 GMT

--------

> Of course one solution would be to consume in capsule form,

> but why ingest all of that silica if it isn't necessary.



Do capsules contain silica?  I thought it was gelatin, though there also exist

Vegicaps.  I would rather not have that beef and pork gelatin.







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Subject: Re: Newbie question/ fluid extracts & palatability

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:16:50 +0000

--------

Thomas Mueller wrote:

> 

> > Of course one solution would be to consume in capsule form,

> > but why ingest all of that silica if it isn't necessary.

> 

> Do capsules contain silica?  I thought it was gelatin, though there also exist

> Vegicaps.  I would rather not have that beef and pork gelatin.





This'll gross you out.  I heard today that UK heroin addicts were using

Temazepam capsules to prolong the heroin high...  and the method? 

Dissolving the whole capsule and injecting the whole fricking lot.

Gelatin and all!  *Average* consumption was apparently 80 caps a day. 

Dis-gusting.  Banned now apparently.



Guess I just can't imagine what kind of shit life you have to have to

make that seem like a good idea.



Nick





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Subject: Re: Newbie question/ fluid extracts & palatability

From: William Enright <wenright@uswest.net>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:58:13 -0500

--------

Thomas Mueller wrote:



> > Of course one solution would be to consume in capsule form,

> > but why ingest all of that silica if it isn't necessary.

>

> Do capsules contain silica?  I thought it was gelatin, though there also exist

> Vegicaps.  I would rather not have that beef and pork gelatin.



Oh, I suppose I mean pre concocted pills and the crap that is normally put in

them.



 I could however buy some gel caps and make some capsules myself, but I don't have

that kind of tenacity.















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Subject: Re: Cataracts

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 23 Oct 2000 07:31:26 GMT

--------

>Hopefully someone out there will know of a more

>realistic supplier where we could purchase a practical amount,like say, 500

>grams. Can anyone help us please.

>Walt.



Blessed Herbs (http://www.blessedherbs.com) carries bilberry berries and leaves,

dried, in one-pound (453.6 grams) bags, but they are in the U.S.A., and I don't

know about shipping to the UK.  Bilberry berries and leaves are two separate 

products.







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Subject: Safety of Linden herb?

From: shellgirlk@aol.com333x2 (ShellGirlK)

Date: 24 Oct 2000 07:45:56 GMT

--------

I've been interested in using Linden for ritualistic pruposes and I was

wondering if the herb is safe to drink as a tea or not (some places just don't

know anything about the herbs they sell).





The Crush,

"Came on so loaded man, well hung and

 snow white tan."- David Bowie "Ziggy Stardust"

(remove the math to reply)





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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:33:03 +0300

--------

shellgirlk@aol.com333x2 (ShellGirlK) wrote:



>I've been interested in using Linden for ritualistic pruposes and I was

>wondering if the herb is safe to drink as a tea or not (some places just don't

>know anything about the herbs they sell).



Linden, lime tree, Tilia sp., flowers (and leaves, if you feel so inclined) are

perfectly safe to ingest.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 03:48:30 -0700

--------

shellgirlk@aol.com333x2 (ShellGirlK) wrote:



>I've been interested in using Linden for ritualistic pruposes and I was

>wondering if the herb is safe to drink as a tea or not (some places just don't

>know anything about the herbs they sell).



Those papery-looking things?   GREAT for inducing sleep.  If

over-used they have a constipating efect, which is why it's often

mixed with catnip and chamomile.  Then add a bit of mint to hide

the grassy taste and I think you have Sleepy Time tea( the

commercial one with the bear in his pajamas)



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:17:24 +0300

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:



>Those papery-looking things?   GREAT for inducing sleep.  If

>over-used they have a constipating efect, which is why it's often

>mixed with catnip and chamomile.  Then add a bit of mint to hide

>the grassy taste and I think you have Sleepy Time tea( the

>commercial one with the bear in his pajamas)



Recently dried (say less than 6 months old) linden flowers don't taste of grass,

it tastes heavenly. If they've been dried without heat. This quality has a great

scent of honey.



And they are -completely- different from any linden flowers you might be able to

buy.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:14:59 +0000

--------

Hiya H



Do you wildcraft your tilia?  I wanted to but those trees grow damned

tall round my way....  



saludos



Nick



-----------



Henriette Kress wrote:

> 

> Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> 

> >Those papery-looking things?   GREAT for inducing sleep.  If

> >over-used they have a constipating efect, which is why it's often

> >mixed with catnip and chamomile.  Then add a bit of mint to hide

> >the grassy taste and I think you have Sleepy Time tea( the

> >commercial one with the bear in his pajamas)

> 

> Recently dried (say less than 6 months old) linden flowers don't taste of grass,

> it tastes heavenly. If they've been dried without heat. This quality has a great

> scent of honey.

> 

> And they are -completely- different from any linden flowers you might be able to

> buy.

> 

> Cheers

> Henriette

> 

> --

> hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland      http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:59:48 +0300

--------

Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:



>Do you wildcraft your tilia?  I wanted to but those trees grow damned

>tall round my way....  



Sure. Just find a younger tree. Or use a ladder with the taller ones. They

flower -profusely-, in season.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:48:03 -0700

--------



"Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:fd5bvs4ukfif6rt9aumh5q4ftv318fhq62@4ax.com...

>

[snip discussion of harvesting linden tree blossoms]



> They flower -profusely-, in season.



I am astoundingly allergic to linden pollen, and some neighbors a few blocks

away have three in their sidewalk verge.  Every year when they start

flowering -profusely- (sneeze, hack, wheeze), I know about it.



I think I'll leave the linden tea alone, thanks :-)



Nancy (allergic to nearly everything)











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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:08:33 GMT

--------

On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:17:24 +0300, Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:



>Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Then add a bit of mint to hide

>>the grassy taste and I think you have Sleepy Time tea( the

>>commercial one with the bear in his pajamas)

>

Henriette wrote:

>Recently dried (say less than 6 months old) linden flowers don't taste of grass,

>it tastes heavenly. If they've been dried without heat. This quality has a great

>scent of honey.

>And they are -completely- different from any linden flowers you might be able to

>buy.



Oh, I agree with Henriette -- fresh or freshly dried linden flowers are

'heavenly'. The sweet, honey fragrance is a favorite of mine, and I really miss

it, since they don't grow here in Florida. I used to put some in sleep pillows,

and I always made tisanes.



         Anya  {{{*_*}}}

http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady

Please visit my alt.perfume webpages

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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:45:48 +0300

--------

herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle) wrote:



>Oh, I agree with Henriette -- fresh or freshly dried linden flowers are

>'heavenly'. The sweet, honey fragrance is a favorite of mine, and I really miss

>it, since they don't grow here in Florida. I used to put some in sleep pillows,

>and I always made tisanes.



Tell, tell. How do you make your tisanes?



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 05:16:20 -0700

--------

Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:



>herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle) wrote:

>

>>Oh, I agree with Henriette -- fresh or freshly dried linden flowers are

>>'heavenly'. 



It doesn't grow here ... so all we get are the commercial ones.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:20:35 GMT

--------

On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:45:48 +0300, Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:



>herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle) wrote:

>

>>Oh, I agree with Henriette -- fresh or freshly dried linden flowers are

>>'heavenly'. The sweet, honey fragrance is a favorite of mine, and I really miss

>>it, since they don't grow here in Florida. I used to put some in sleep pillows,

>>and I always made tisanes.

>

>Tell, tell. How do you make your tisanes?



A tisane is just a French term for a tea, an infusion. I just would put a few

pinches of the herb (any herb, but I first learned the word tisane in

association with linden flowers) in a container, pour boiling water over, let

steep a few minutes, strain and drink.



         Anya  {{{*_*}}}

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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: heretik1211@my-deja.com

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:46:15 GMT

--------

   You are bringing back memories.. long ago (I mean in the early 70's)

I first encountered descriptions of linden in print, then found the

dried flowers in a health food store. I remember it was almost the

first herb or flower tea I tried to make. (Same type of memopry for

peppermin and spearmint tea..) I had forgotten about that til I read

your description. More recently, in my newer 'incarnation' as

owner/operator of a (very impractical but well-loved) farm and tree

farm, I am investigating linden/baswood as a tree to plant, and so have

visited many of the living trees in this vicinity (there are a lot more

tilia than I had thought til I started looking). They are indeed

wonderful. And next year I will gather some flowers to make the fresh

tea.

   Thank you for the memory!      LW





In article <39f6ebe6.10010414@news.atl.bellsouth.net>,

  herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle) wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:45:48 +0300, Henriette Kress

<hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:

>

> >herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle) wrote:

> >

> >>Oh, I agree with Henriette -- fresh or freshly dried linden flowers

are

> >>'heavenly'. The sweet, honey fragrance is a favorite of mine, and I

really miss

> >>it, since they don't grow here in Florida. I used to put some in

sleep pillows,

> >>and I always made tisanes.

> >

> >Tell, tell. How do you make your tisanes?

>

> A tisane is just a French term for a tea, an infusion. I just would

put a few

> pinches of the herb (any herb, but I first learned the word tisane in

> association with linden flowers) in a container, pour boiling water

over, let

> steep a few minutes, strain and drink.

>

>          Anya  {{{*_*}}}

> http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady

> Please visit my alt.perfume webpages

> Bob Marley and the Wailers album "Exodus"

> named "Album of the Century" by Time magazine

>

>





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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:41:04 +0000

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I was really surprised that linden flowers are so mucilagenous.  I use

some German brand of teabags and when you tip them out afterwards they

are slimy as anything.



BTW, what's the etimology/connection of lime as in tilia and lime as in

the citrus fruit?



Nick





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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 28 Oct 2000 07:02:25 GMT

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>BTW, what's the etimology/connection of lime as in tilia and lime as in

>the citrus fruit?



You might also have added lime referring to calcium oxide, calcium hydroxide or

calcium carbonate.  My copy of the Random House Dictionary of the English

Language lists these three limes separately with different etymologies.  Lime

(tilia) and lime (citrus fruit) belong to two different families: Tiliaceae and

Rutaceae.







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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

Date: 27 Oct 2000 01:37:02 GMT

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Rastapoodle (herblady@newsguy.com) writes:

> On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:17:24 +0300, Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:

>>Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Henriette wrote:

>>it tastes heavenly. If they've been dried without heat. This quality has a great

> 

> Oh, I agree with Henriette -- fresh or freshly dried linden flowers are

> 'heavenly'. The sweet, honey fragrance is a favorite of mine, and I really miss

> it, since they don't grow here in Florida. I used to put some in sleep pillows,

> and I always made tisanes.



Linden is heavenly. Ottawa is blessed with many trees. 

Even a street named Linden Terrace.  Lots of the trees

in parks and along rivers where you can pick some

away from the traffic pollution. 



Once I had a time warp when picking Linden flowers. Standing

under the trees in the dreamy laden air, I thought I was there

for 2 or 3 hours filling my bag. But afterwards, only about 30

minutes had passed. 



Yay for Linden trees!

Lee









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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:10:45 +0300

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bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray) wrote:



>Linden is heavenly. Ottawa is blessed with many trees. 

>Even a street named Linden Terrace.  Lots of the trees

>in parks and along rivers where you can pick some

>away from the traffic pollution. 



Umm. Not a good idea, unless you're far outside the city.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: "Deb" <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:13:50 -0700

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Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:7jaivskpnlg6rnph9q8509p1l8tmivmov0@4ax.com...

> bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray) wrote:

>

> >Linden is heavenly. Ottawa is blessed with many trees.

> >Even a street named Linden Terrace.  Lots of the trees

> >in parks and along rivers where you can pick some

> >away from the traffic pollution.

>

> Umm. Not a good idea, unless you're far outside the city.

>

> Henriette

>

> --

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Henriette

I see this comment often in regards to picking herbs / weeds for medicinal

use.  It always makes me wonder how safe you would consider the back yard

vegetable garden?  Its getting harder and harder to find areas away from

traffic and agricultural spraying, especially areas that are not fenced or

posted against trespass.



Deb









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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:13:45 +0300

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"Deb" <debra@teleport.com> wrote:

>I see this comment often in regards to picking herbs / weeds for medicinal

>use.  It always makes me wonder how safe you would consider the back yard

>vegetable garden?  Its getting harder and harder to find areas away from

>traffic and agricultural spraying, especially areas that are not fenced or

>posted against trespass.



If your back yard vegetable garden is in the middle of the city, don't do

salads. Nor other leaf greens. Unless you have to...



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:49:12 -0400

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On 24 Oct 2000 07:45:56 GMT, shellgirlk@aol.com333x2 (ShellGirlK)

wrote:



>I've been interested in using Linden for ritualistic pruposes and I was

>wondering if the herb is safe to drink as a tea or not (some places just don't

>know anything about the herbs they sell).



Perfectly safe - but plan not to do too much afterwards because Linden

is aaaawwwwwfully relaxing! :-)



Mari





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Subject: Re: Safety of Linden herb?

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage ( MoJoMoon aka Jo)

Date: 24 Oct 2000 16:19:43 GMT

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In article <20001024034556.12989.00000102@ng-fy1.aol.com>,

shellgirlk@aol.com333x2 (ShellGirlK) writes:



>I've been interested in using Linden for ritualistic pruposes and I was

>wondering if the herb is safe to drink as a tea or not (some places just

>don't

>know anything about the herbs they sell).

>



A a fellow ritualistic herb user as well as (novice) medicinal herb user.......

Do not use the same herbs for medicinal purposes that you buy at magickal

supply store etc unless you know for a fact that it is fresh. Ritualistic herbs

are usually not of the quality you would want to ingest.Most stores will even

state this. If they have no knowledge of their ingested usage than pass on

theirs for some herbs from a real herbalist that has a good turnover.

Pre-packaged herbs are usually a good sign that they have been sitting around

for awhile and are probably dried out and devoid of any 

medicinal constituents any longer. 



Peace,

~*Jo*~





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Subject: Re: question regarding tea tree oil toothpaste

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:22:57 +0000

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I don't know...  they seem to be struggling to find ways to put tea tree

into everything - makes me wonder.  What's the toothpaste idea, oral

antiseptic I suppose.    Must taste hideous.



How about a sage and thyme mouthwash - bit less aggresive than the tea

tree?



Nick





caljet wrote:

> 

> Is it recommended? Is this a good way of getting Tea Tree oil into

> one's oral hygiene routine?  What about mouthwash instead?  Right

> now I'm using Tom's of Maine toothpaste (wonderful stuff by the

> way), but I'm wondering if perhaps this would be a better way to go.

> Caljet

> --

> If space is a vacuum, who changes the bags?

> --anonymous





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Subject: Re: question regarding tea tree oil toothpaste

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage ( MoJoMoon aka Jo)

Date: 24 Oct 2000 16:19:43 GMT

--------

In article <39F58D2D.24F3@mcmail.com>, Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com> writes:



>How about a sage and thyme mouthwash - bit less aggresive than the tea

>tree?



Peppermint improves the taste (& scent) of tea tree oil ,which should be used

sparingly anyhow....

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Subject: Re: question regarding tea tree oil toothpaste

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 26 Oct 2000 19:51:32 GMT

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caljet <tjnimmo@pacbell.net> wrote:

>Is it recommended? Is this a good way of getting Tea Tree oil into

>one's oral hygiene routine?  What about mouthwash instead?  Right



Yikes, tea tree oil smells like turpentine.  It must taste disgusting!



What would be the point of "getting tea tree oil into one's oral hygiene

routine?"  My tea tree oil is marked "for external use only" and "avoid

contact with mucous membranes."



-- 

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Subject: Re: question regarding tea tree oil toothpaste

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:23:28 -0400

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On 26 Oct 2000 19:51:32 GMT, jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

wrote:



>caljet <tjnimmo@pacbell.net> wrote:

>>Is it recommended? Is this a good way of getting Tea Tree oil into

>>one's oral hygiene routine?  What about mouthwash instead?  Right

>

>Yikes, tea tree oil smells like turpentine.  It must taste disgusting!



I don't really notice it. I drowned it (it's in a mouthwash form) with

nicer-tasting essential oils. :-) Besides, it tastes FAR better than

myrrh, which is also darn near specific for oral problems.



>What would be the point of "getting tea tree oil into one's oral hygiene

>routine?"  My tea tree oil is marked "for external use only" and "avoid

>contact with mucous membranes."



It was recommended to me for killing bacteria and yeasts in the mouth,

rather than using alcohol, triclosan, phenol, and other nifty things

like that. I have particularly wretched teeth and gums thanks to

genetics and dry mouth from a medication I took for a few years, and I

get oral infections, both bacterial and yeast, quite easily. Using tea

tree drastically reduced the frequency and severity of those problems.



In most cases, those "for external use only" type labels are nothing

but CYA (Cover Your Ass). Many essential oils can be used on mucous

membranes and internally quite safely if you do some research, pay

attention to what you're doing, and don't just drink a few

tablespoonsful. :-) Which, sadly enough, is EXACTLY what some people

do. It's for the same reason why those little silica gel packets that

come in the vitamins or any number of other products are labeled "do

not eat"! Insurance demands it!



Mari





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Subject: Re: Leuzea

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:28:32 +0000

--------

Schroedinger's cat wrote:

> 

> Hi !

>   Does anybody know where I can buy bulk  Leuzea carthamoides

> (Rhaponticum  carthamoides) in the US?

> Or  extract of this herb?



Guess you can either know the exact location of the herb or its exact

price but never both at the same time?



jumping off max's plank.



Nick





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Subject: Re: Leuzea

From: Schroedinger's cat <singularity@space.time>

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:55:57 -0400

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Nick wrote:



> Schroedinger's cat wrote:

> >

> > Hi !

> >   Does anybody know where I can buy bulk  Leuzea carthamoides

> > (Rhaponticum  carthamoides) in the US?

> > Or  extract of this herb?

>

> Guess you can either know the exact location of the herb or its exact

> price but never both at the same time?

>

> jumping off max's plank.

>

> Nick



:-)



I know the exact location of this plant and  the exact price.

But I do not need 50 kilograms!



Do you know what is good about this Leuzea plant?

I saw some studies that claim that extract of Leuzea increases swimming

time of mice by 40-50 %!

Pretty impressive, I think. Speaking of  jumping off.. :-)

And this plant has anabolic properties similar to  steroids, but without

side effects .









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Subject: Re: Leuzea

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:14:14 +0300

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Schroedinger's cat <singularity@space.time> wrote:



>Do you know what is good about this Leuzea plant?

>I saw some studies that claim that extract of Leuzea increases swimming

>time of mice by 40-50 %!

>Pretty impressive, I think. 



Like any other adaptogen. Do ginseng if you can't find Leuzea. Or do roseroot.

Or withania. What's far better about this Leuzea plant is the way it helps

alcoholics recover.



>And this plant has anabolic properties similar to  steroids, but without

>side effects .



I don't think so. I've used it (and given it to a few fellow herbalists to try

on -their- clients), and we've found that it's a nice adaptogen which

incidentally helps the kidneys work better. 



It's not anabolic.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Leuzea

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:17:14 -0400

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"Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:7laivs4i5nmbpj6135e6b33iqvj8ujmvnf@4ax.com...

> Schroedinger's cat <singularity@space.time> wrote:



snip



> >I saw some studies that claim that extract of Leuzea increases swimming

> >time of mice by 40-50 %!

> >Pretty impressive, I think.



snip



now, hmmm... where does this fit in with the bioethic of 'not tested on

animals'? Interesting to find out the details on this. Where some people

don't want you to even use honey or beeswax because you have 'exploited' the

bees.. these mice somehow sound exploited to me.

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --











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Subject: Re: Leuzea

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:47:06 +0300

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"Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com> wrote:



>now, hmmm... where does this fit in with the bioethic of 'not tested on

>animals'? Interesting to find out the details on this. Where some people

>don't want you to even use honey or beeswax because you have 'exploited' the

>bees.. these mice somehow sound exploited to me.



This is the normal way to test for adaptogens. The Russians tested a -lot- of

plants a couple decades back. 

It makes for a difficult ethical choice. Do you want to ignore the test results

(which come through for humans - this is unusual for animal tests) and thus make

the death of these mice completely futile?



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Leuzea

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 09:34:17 -0400

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yes, well, and one might also rationalize in the case of the 'exploited'

bees that they have gone to all this work to make the honey and beeswax-

surely we should not let this be in vain, and so should consume it.. I am a

beekeeper, and I have to say my bees don't SEEM to be too exploited-

spacious hives as compared to holes in walls or hollow trees- able to

multiply- I like the chance to interact with them. It is so intense. Their

industry puts me to shame..

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"Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:cvpkvs4792te78kg8t58g5i6lvv83ijugp@4ax.com...

> "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com> wrote:

>

> >now, hmmm... where does this fit in with the bioethic of 'not tested on

> >animals'? Interesting to find out the details on this. Where some people

> >don't want you to even use honey or beeswax because you have 'exploited'

the

> >bees.. these mice somehow sound exploited to me.

>

> This is the normal way to test for adaptogens. The Russians tested a -lot-

of

> plants a couple decades back.

> It makes for a difficult ethical choice. Do you want to ignore the test

results

> (which come through for humans - this is unusual for animal tests) and

thus make

> the death of these mice completely futile?

>

> Henriette

>

> --

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Subject: Plastic surgery eye-NEED suggestions!

From: lp_pac@my-deja.com

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:39:34 GMT

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Eye surgery upper/lower--NEED suggestions for healing recovery.

I am also looking for preop consultation questions to ask my doctor

that might be helpful to communicate. Would love to hear from you!

Thanks





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Subject: Heral medicine for Acne treatment.

From: Alan Wong <chefwong@skip-the-spam.mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:42:08 -0400

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Hello All-



Are there any herbal medicines out there on the market

that one can use in *replacement* of accutane that's effective

in treating acne. It's for  a friend who is vegan..etc..etc who would

rather go on the herbal medicince path. Birth control pills, differin,

emgel..etc have not done the trick



Don't know if this applies but age is 23.



If you have any links..recommendations..etc, it would

be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Alan.........

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Subject: tumor

From: Jeanette Johnson <rej@cpinternet.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:12:13 -0500

--------

I recently found out that a very good friend of mine's husband was

diagnosed with a brain tumor.  A group of us friends would like to do

somthing.  A group flower arrangement is going to be sent, but we're a

large number of friends and I was wondering what else can we do for

these kind people?  It was thought that Brad's transplanted kidney was

acting up, but instead it turned out out to be a brain tumor.  What can

we do for these people that will help besides just flowers?  Has anyone

had an experience like this??  (I would have to say that I am talking

gestures and not medicines at this point)



Thanks for the tips/help everyone!







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Subject: Re: tumor

From: "Wubba" <wendy@SPAMFOOLERcountrytraditions.com>

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:04:54 -0400

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  What can we do for these people that will help besides just flowers?  Has

anyone

had an experience like this??  (I would have to say that I am talking

gestures and not medicines at this point)



Thanks for the tips/help everyone!

~~~~~~~~~~~~

While not "herbal" ...  one of the best things my husband and I ever did was

to put together a bag of easy-to-eat foods for a family to munch on. It

helped save a bit of money over running down to the cafeteria three plus

times a day.



Ask the family what they could really use!



Maybe you all could rotate taking meals to the house, caring for a pet, or

laundry, housecleaning?  Guess it depends on what the situation and

relationship is with the folks too.



What about a prepaid phone card gift?  Seems most families have to connect

with family members while they are at the hospital.  A phone card with a

large amount of minutes might be a real help.  Using any other method is

very pricey for an already stressed family.



Offer to come to the hospital, and sit down and hand address all the

Thank-You card envelopes to people who've sent flowers, delievered food,

etc.  Have a book of stamps to go with the Thank You cards too!



Offer to run errands that may be building/backing up.



Perhaps a "show up, shut up, and just ~be there~ " would be most welcome.

Who says you have to do anything much more than offer support to a friend.

Oh , and no need for superfluous conversation- all the while avoiding the

"elephant" in the room. Heck- bring in a deck of cards or something!



I guess I try to think past the "frou-frou" and get down to what the family

could ~really~ use.



Wubba











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Subject: Re: tumor

From: "loki" <loki@inlink.com>

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:12:18 -0500

--------

"Wubba" <wendy@SPAMFOOLERcountrytraditions.com> wrote in



> While not "herbal" ...  one of the best things my husband and I ever did

was

> to put together a bag of easy-to-eat foods for a family to munch on. It

> helped save a bit of money over running down to the cafeteria three plus

> times a day.

>

> Ask the family what they could really use!

>

> Maybe you all could rotate taking meals to the house, caring for a pet, or

> laundry, housecleaning?  Guess it depends on what the situation and

> relationship is with the folks too.

>

> What about a prepaid phone card gift?  Seems most families have to connect

> with family members while they are at the hospital.  A phone card with a

> large amount of minutes might be a real help.  Using any other method is

> very pricey for an already stressed family.

>

> Offer to come to the hospital, and sit down and hand address all the

> Thank-You card envelopes to people who've sent flowers, delievered food,

> etc.  Have a book of stamps to go with the Thank You cards too!

>

> Offer to run errands that may be building/backing up.

>

> Perhaps a "show up, shut up, and just ~be there~ " would be most welcome.

> Who says you have to do anything much more than offer support to a friend.

> Oh , and no need for superfluous conversation- all the while avoiding the

> "elephant" in the room. Heck- bring in a deck of cards or something!

>

> I guess I try to think past the "frou-frou" and get down to what the

family

> could ~really~ use.



I just went through losing my father to cancer.  I can say from personal

experience

that all of the suggestions above are excellent!  Our family started

receiving meals

from friends soon after we learned my father was dying and they kept it up

daily

until after his death and funeral.  It was a godsend.



Taking care of a cancer patient in the final stages is a very draining

experience.

Having energy left over to fix meals, clean the house, take out the trash

and

do all the daily chores around the house just does not exist.



One of my neighbors sent over a small present one afternoon.  She just left

it between the door and screen door.  It was a beautiful small picture of

an angel with the words "All day, all night, angels are watching over you"

and

it meant so much to me that I cried when I found it.  Little things really

matter.



Just be there to listen to them.  They are numb but sooner or later they

will

need to talk.  Do not judge, just listen.



Loki









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Subject: Re: tumor

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:38:52 -0700

--------



Hi Jeanette -



The best thing to do, I think, is to ask what would be useful.  Some times

just running out to the store to pick up coffee is too much to handle.

Others, it might be bringing over a pizza, or watching the kids for the

evening.  I usually end up cooking for people, because I've somehow acquired

a reputation as a good cook (it must have been that Beef Wellington dinner

party :-), but if that's not your thing perhaps there's something else that

you can do for them.  But let them choose what that might be.



Hope this helps,



Nancy





"Jeanette Johnson" <rej@cpinternet.com> wrote in message

news:39F64F8B.1658C254@cpinternet.com...

> I recently found out that a very good friend of mine's husband was

> diagnosed with a brain tumor.  A group of us friends would like to do

> somthing.  A group flower arrangement is going to be sent, but we're a

> large number of friends and I was wondering what else can we do for

> these kind people?  It was thought that Brad's transplanted kidney was

> acting up, but instead it turned out out to be a brain tumor.  What can

> we do for these people that will help besides just flowers?  Has anyone

> had an experience like this??  (I would have to say that I am talking

> gestures and not medicines at this point)

>

> Thanks for the tips/help everyone!

>









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Subject: Re: tumor

From: "Kinney/Reid" <kinney-reid@email.msn.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:25:21 -0700

--------

Butterfly kisses....yes I loved them. We also did elephant kisses with the

ends of our sleeves, as well as smugglepots...

I've worked with hospice and other dying assistance orgs, and I'd say that

the offers of practical help suggested in the earlier post are usually

received as  a godsend (goddess-send?). Remember to keep offering if you're

turned down, cause folks have such a habit of coping and saying no to help

that it takes a while for them to realize it is OK to say yes thanks for

help. I remember the casseroles brought by neighbors when my dad died

suddenly when I was a kid..... It meant a lot to my child self because with

all of the WASP taboos about not talking about illness and death, the

casseroles were the only way to receive our neighbors caring concern. It has

been so beautiful and healing for me to see the growing ease in our society

in talking openly about loss and grief.

ember











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Subject: Re: actual cranberries vs. powder

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:33:01 +0000

--------

Hi



Obviously the point of any extract be it liquid or powder, is that you

are getting a concentrated form of the original material, hence the

ratios that you will often see 4:1 etc.  Even standardized extracts

have, somewhere in the manufacturing process, details of what the ratio

of herb to extract is, although you don't usually see this on the

packing.



With a fruit like cranberry the vast majority of its makeup is water so

if you take the powder you can consume much more/more easily than you

would probably be comfortable eating fresh.  The pro's of eating the

whole fruit is that there might be a synergy in some of the components

that are lost in processsing.



How about buying up a bunch of the fruit from as close to source as

possible - the farm ? - and then drying it yourself.  I suspect that

would be more palatable than eating them frozen <shiver!>.



Nick





ka&g wrote:

> 

> i have been using cranberry powder/extract for a few years now but am

> sick of buying the stuff....far too expensive if you ask me. especially

> once i did some searching for cranberry farmer info and found out what a

> hard time they are having with prices. (ie, compare the price of what

> someone like Frontier charges for a pound of freeze dried powder to what

> the farmers get for a whole barrel of fruit)

> 

> i despise cranberry juice even with all of the added sugars, so that is

> why i have been using the powdered extract. (it certainly has worked

> quite well preventing UTIs)

> 

> i understand that cranberries are in season right about now (saw some

> bags in the grocery store).

> 

> my question for the esteemed herbalists of the NG: if i just started

> buying bags of the actual fruit and throwing them in the freezer and

> started simply ingesting the fruit itself (like a pill), would i get the

> same nutritional/medicinal benefits--or even better--as the powdered

> extract??

> 

> or does anyone have any other suggestions for using the fresh/frozen

> fruit medicinally?

> 

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Subject: Re: actual cranberries vs. powder

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:23:57 -0400

--------

On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:33:01 +0000, Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:



>How about buying up a bunch of the fruit from as close to source as

>possible - the farm ? - and then drying it yourself.  I suspect that

>would be more palatable than eating them frozen <shiver!>.



Dried cranberries are often sold sweetened because they're soooo sour

- I have an almost impossible time finding them UNsweetened (I like

them better that way). So she might have to sweeten them to get them

down if she dried 'em herself. They can also be used wonderfully in

baking just as you'd use raisins or any other dried fruit, and are

especially compatible with orange (juice and zest), pecans, and

apples. Yum. Now I want a cranberry muffin!



As for getting it dry enough to put it in capsules or something, it's

really hard IME to get that brittle, powder-able texture with fruit

when drying it at home. You get the leathery, dried-fruit texture more

often. Commercial fruit processors have much different equipment to

play with. :-(



Mari





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: actual cranberries vs. powder

From: heretik1211@my-deja.com

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:06:35 GMT

--------

   The great advantage in freezing them is that it is such a quick/easy

preservative method, and they thaw out in much the same condition as

when frozen- ready to make juice, relish, or jelly or conserve. Or bake

with them- try making cranberry muffins.. They grow in a lot of the

bogs around here. I am trying to establish them in my own particular

wetland bits- havent't found quite the right spot yet (it's such a

simple thing but true- if they wanted to grow there, they'd probably

already be there..)





In article <0codvs8l2r5dogk3fqeiiikqr4klnc4g1u@4ax.com>,

  johnmari@gis.net wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:33:01 +0000, Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:

>

> >How about buying up a bunch of the fruit from as close to source as

> >possible - the farm ? - and then drying it yourself.  I suspect that

> >would be more palatable than eating them frozen <shiver!>.

>

> Dried cranberries are often sold sweetened because they're soooo sour

> - I have an almost impossible time finding them UNsweetened (I like

> them better that way). So she might have to sweeten them to get them

> down if she dried 'em herself. They can also be used wonderfully in

> baking just as you'd use raisins or any other dried fruit, and are

> especially compatible with orange (juice and zest), pecans, and

> apples. Yum. Now I want a cranberry muffin!

>

> As for getting it dry enough to put it in capsules or something, it's

> really hard IME to get that brittle, powder-able texture with fruit

> when drying it at home. You get the leathery, dried-fruit texture more

> often. Commercial fruit processors have much different equipment to

> play with. :-(

>

> Mari

>





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Subject: Re: actual cranberries vs. powder

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 26 Oct 2000 07:54:45 GMT

--------

Drying is a way of preserving some fruits, vegetables and herbs for long-term

use, but some loss of nutrients or other useful constituents is inevitable.  In

some cases, the fresh herb is too harsh, and only the dried herb is used, but

cranberries are not in that category.  Fresh or frozen from fresh would be

better and more economical than Frontier dried cranberry powder.  I have 

Frontier catalog from 1996 and remember dried cranberries were danged expensive.

If you have sufficient freezer space, you could buy a case (24 12 oz bags) of

fresh cranberries from a wholesaler and put all but one or two bags in the 

freezer.







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Subject: Re: actual cranberries vs. powder

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:38:57 -0500

--------

Farmer sells to wholesaler.  Wholesaler may even sell to another

wholesaler.  Producer gets product.  Producer does all the steps to

turn them into powder (cleaning, sorting, drying, crunching), puts the

powder into capsules.  Every step of that costs.  Some steps cost a

lot because of being labour intensive or requiring more or less

expensive specialized machinery.  Every step of that must produce a

profit for the person doing it or that farmer's not going to get

anything for his product and eventually there'll be just another duck

marsh where he used to plant and harvest.  Oh, yeah, packaging.  Just

that adds cost.  True, some people try to hold up the consumer by

bumping up the profit on their step, but then someone undercuts them

and it all evens out.  



We hear about the poor farmers all the time, especially in bad crop

years.  We seldom hear about (or have pity for) the folks in the

middle parts of the chain.  I think that's because most people have

the idea (and for most of them, though not all, it's a fantasy) that

all of it is as easy as the strawberries they plop in their garden in

spring and pick and eat in summer.  Which seem to them to be free,

except for the labour.  They can see the labour because they do it, so

they feel for the farmer.  They don't count the washing, freezing,

canning etc.. times and costs (how does a homeowner/renter figure the

electricity and water and stove heat per item?) disappear from sight

there.  For the individual.  The middlemen know all about them.  And

the costs an individual would never have.  Workman's comp insurance,

bookkeeping, Social Security, etc..







On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:52:24 -0400, ka&g <kaalga@mpinet.net> wrote:



>

>

>Thomas Mueller wrote:

>

>> Drying is a way of preserving some fruits, vegetables and herbs for long-term

>> use, but some loss of nutrients or other useful constituents is inevitable.  In

>> some cases, the fresh herb is too harsh, and only the dried herb is used, but

>> cranberries are not in that category.  Fresh or frozen from fresh would be

>> better and more economical than Frontier dried cranberry powder.  I have

>> Frontier catalog from 1996 and remember dried cranberries were danged expensive.

>> If you have sufficient freezer space, you could buy a case (24 12 oz bags) of

>> fresh cranberries from a wholesaler and put all but one or two bags in the

>> freezer.

>

>thanks to everyone for the info....

>

>this latest post from thomas  is great to hear as i had a feeling i was sort of

>wasting my money buying the powder all of the time. and frontier IS very expensive.

>i just didn't get it after seeing how much farmers get for a whole barrel of the

>fruit itself. see here:

>

>http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/8_27_sb1.htm

>this story says that one farmer was only paid $10 a barrel last season!

>

>frontier charges **$73 for a pound** of powder--$38 for 300 capsules and $16 for 100

>capsules....( i generally pay about $7 - $8 for 100 nature's way capsules using

>various discounts with online stores)

>

>more farmer info:

>http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/4658/

>

>i wasn't worried about them tasting nasty without sugar cause i was going to just

>swallow them like pills, just wasnt sure how many to take for daily use and wondered

>if i should crush them first or not.....

>

>hey, i guess no one has ever OD'd on cranberries!!!!

>

>ok,  so i am off to stock up on bags of  fresh fruit!

>

>thanks again for everyone's input.

>************************************************************

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>H.L. Mencken

>

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Subject: Re: actual cranberries vs. powder

From: ka&g <kaalga@mpinet.net>

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:36:09 -0500

--------





cyli@visi.com wrote:



> Then no need to worry about the powders...

>



exactly. that's what i needed to find out: whether using the fresh fruit, taken as a

pill, could be considered as effective as powdered extract. (or even *more* effective,

which makes sense and would explain why many drink the juice, whether sweetened or not)



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Subject: Re: actual cranberries vs. powder

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:32:17 -0600

--------

Someone on here should know.  I'd think you'd at least want to crush

them a bit, as many fruits have very tough skins, cranberries not

being the least among them, if I recall my bush fruits properly, to

avoid having them pass intact through the digestive tract.  They won't

do you much good if all you get is the first molecule of skin.



Failing good advice, I'll give my guess, which is that you could

probably make a sort of powder of your own by running them through a

blender and then putting them on a dehydrator (a fair expense,

anywhere from $60 to $200US, I believe, but a one time only expense)

and then popping the powder or resulting fruit leather (cut into small

pieces) into capsules.  Or, if all you can do is a fruit leather from

it, rolling it up, cutting it, and swallowing the bit you've cut off

just as if it were a pill.



If you decide to go that way, go to one of the cooking groups and ask

about dehydrators.  There's a big variance in price and quality among

them from what I've heard/read.





On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:36:09 -0500, ka&g <kaalga@mpinet.net> wrote:



>

>

>cyli@visi.com wrote:

>

>> Then no need to worry about the powders...

>>

>

>exactly. that's what i needed to find out: whether using the fresh fruit, taken as a

>pill, could be considered as effective as powdered extract. (or even *more* effective,

>which makes sense and would explain why many drink the juice, whether sweetened or not)

>

>************************************************************

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>H.L. Mencken

>

>http://www.lifehousemusic.com/lh_music.html catchytune. says me.

>



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Subject: Where to buy Gelatin free herbs from?

From: zulfiqar_raza@my-deja.com

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:21:42 GMT

--------

Hi All,  Can anyone recommend Herbal sources which are high quality and

do not use Gelatin in their products, most capsules are made from

gelatin.



I am in Philadelphia, but would prefer some online merchants with good

prices.



Thank you all



Zulfiqar Raza





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Subject: Re: Where to buy Gelatin free herbs from?

From: Don <harouffd@top.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:20:45 GMT

--------

zulfiqar_raza@my-deja.com wrote:



>Hi All,  Can anyone recommend Herbal sources which are high quality and

>do not use Gelatin in their products, most capsules are made from

>gelatin.

>

>I am in Philadelphia, but would prefer some online merchants with good

>prices.

>

>Thank you all

>

>Zulfiqar Raza

>

Just look for products listed in 'Vegecaps', the are (?)starch based

capsules.



Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.hmg-eo.com/





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Subject: Re: Where to buy Gelatin free herbs from?

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:36:31 +0000

--------

It's amazing that in the UK, where until only very recently it was

illegal to sell beef on the bone due to BSE fears, gelatin from beef

bones has never been questioned.  Never worked that one out.  Guess the

gelatin producers did some good lobbying early in the piece.



As the others have said, look for Vegicaps or avoid the issue completely

and go for tinctures.



chiz



Nick



zulfiqar_raza@my-deja.com wrote:

> 

> Hi All,  Can anyone recommend Herbal sources which are high quality and

> do not use Gelatin in their products, most capsules are made from

> gelatin.

> 

> I am in Philadelphia, but would prefer some online merchants with good

> prices.

> 

> Thank you all

> 

> Zulfiqar Raza

> 

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Subject: Re: Where to buy Gelatin free herbs from?

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:23:56 -0500

--------

Gelatin has to be heated to get it out of/off of the bones.  Heat

destroys most of the contagious nasties I've ever heard of...





On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:36:31 +0000, Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:



>It's amazing that in the UK, where until only very recently it was

>illegal to sell beef on the bone due to BSE fears, gelatin from beef

>bones has never been questioned.  Never worked that one out.  Guess the

>gelatin producers did some good lobbying early in the piece.

>

>As the others have said, look for Vegicaps or avoid the issue completely

>and go for tinctures.

>

>chiz

>

>Nick

>

>zulfiqar_raza@my-deja.com wrote:

>> 

>> Hi All,  Can anyone recommend Herbal sources which are high quality and

>> do not use Gelatin in their products, most capsules are made from

>> gelatin.

>> 

>> I am in Philadelphia, but would prefer some online merchants with good

>> prices.

>> 

>> Thank you all

>> 

>> Zulfiqar Raza

>> 

>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

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Subject: Re: Where to buy Gelatin free herbs from?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 06:51:37 +0200

--------

cyli@visi.com wrote:



>Gelatin has to be heated to get it out of/off of the bones.  Heat

>destroys most of the contagious nasties I've ever heard of...



...but NOT the prions that are the cause of mad cow disease. Those will still

happily infect you after the cows have been -cremated-.



Henriette

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Subject: biotherm

From: June Harrison <psy333che@home.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:18:45 GMT

--------

Im interested in getting some feedback for a friend who has fibromyalgia

and wanted to know if anyone had suggestions on what herbs to take. She

is tired alot and her legs are achey and unsteady at times when she

stands

She has also started taking a supplement called biotherm that her doctor

recomended to her and Ive listed the ingredients below and would like

any information anyone would have or would like to give

Thank in advance

June

Biotherm, sold as energy and weightloss supplement.

Bladderwack

Beet Powder

Boron

Chromium picolinate

Fo-Ti

Ginger

Ginkgo

Harwthorm berry

Kola nut

Mormon Tea

Saw Palmetto

Sida Cordifolia Linn

Yohimbe Bark

White Willow

Zinc

Chromium

Zingiber officinalis, Piper longum, and Capsicum to increas

bio-availability of active ingredients.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: biotherm

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:56:35 -0700

--------

June Harrison <psy333che@home.com> wrote:



>Im interested in getting some feedback for a friend who has fibromyalgia

>and wanted to know if anyone had suggestions on what herbs to take.

>She is tired alot and her legs are achey and unsteady at times 

  REST!  Fibromyalgia is your body trying to tell you it is sick

and needs some recuperation time.  Guaiafesin (the ingredient in

many cough syrups) is treported to help with the muscle aches. 



>Biotherm, sold as energy and weightloss supplement.



What a mish-mash! 



>Bladderwrack

>Beet Powder

>Boron

>Chromium picolinate

>Fo-Ti

>Ginger

>Ginkgo

>Harwthorm berry

>Kola nut

Mormon Tea - Ephedra species, a stimulant 



>Saw Palmetto

>Sida Cordifolia Linn



Yohimbe Bark - Better known as an aphrodisiac for MEN, can have

some NASTY side effects.  Not known for much besides that.



>White Willow - 

>Zinc

>Chromium

>Zingiber officinalis, Piper longum, and Capsicum to increas

>bio-availability of active ingredients.







Tsu Dho Nimh



When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like 

politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or 

your kid and run for your life.





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Subject: Re: biotherm

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:23:30 -0400

--------

On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:56:35 -0700, Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

wrote:



>June Harrison <psy333che@home.com> wrote:

>

>>Im interested in getting some feedback for a friend who has fibromyalgia

>>and wanted to know if anyone had suggestions on what herbs to take.

>>She is tired alot and her legs are achey and unsteady at times 

>  REST!  Fibromyalgia is your body trying to tell you it is sick

>and needs some recuperation time.



*dry chuckle* After seven years with enough FMS and other goodies so

that at times I'm confined to bed and wheelchair, I wonder just how

much more bloody time does it want?



>  Guaiafesin (the ingredient in

>many cough syrups) is treported to help with the muscle aches. 



For some people, guaifenesin makes the situation much worse. It's a

fairly vicious and unpleasant treatment that needs to be carefully

considered (and you need to take it in pill form by prescription -

you'd have to drink gallons of cough syrup every day to get enough!).

Devin Starlanyl's two books on fibromyalgia cover guaifenesin therapy

pretty thoroughly.



Me, I treat symptoms as they come up with both herbs and

pharmaceuticals and Do Whatever Helps. I've given up on the various

treatments touted as systemic therapies and "cures." 



>>Biotherm, sold as energy and weightloss supplement.

>

>What a mish-mash! 



I agree. If nothing else there are enough stimulants in there that I

wouldn't even consider taking it - fibromyalgics need every scrap of

the best possible quality sleep they can get! Pushing a wiped-out body

further than it can go with stimulants is a stupid idea, and I can

tell you that because I've been that stupid. :-)



>>Bladderwrack



According to some (see www.drlowe.com for an example) there is a

thyroid/metabolic component to fibromyalgia. I wouldn't do much with

bladderwrack until you know the state of your thyroid, and then

watching the quantity very carefully. Too much iodine is just as much

of a problem as not enough.



>>Beet Powder

>>Boron

>>Chromium picolinate

>>Fo-Ti



'nother stimulant



>>Ginger



'nother stimulant



>>Ginkgo

>>Harwthorm berry

>>Kola nut



'nother stimulant



>Mormon Tea - Ephedra species, a stimulant 

>

>>Saw Palmetto



Whoopee, now that we're playing with the thyroid hormones, let's go

mess with the sex hormone levels! Yee-hah!



>>Sida Cordifolia Linn

>

>Yohimbe Bark - Better known as an aphrodisiac for MEN, can have

>some NASTY side effects.  Not known for much besides that.



Couple of my references state it as a cerebral stimulant and sometimes

mild hallucinogen as well as an aphrodisiac - and all of them suggest

not using it because of the potential toxicity.



>>White Willow - 



Inflammation is not part of the fibromyalgia syndrome, and thus

there's not much point in taking anti-inflammatory compounds.



>>Zinc

>>Chromium

>>Zingiber officinalis, Piper longum, and Capsicum to increas

>>bio-availability of active ingredients.



This is ridiculous. Ginger (which is already listed above, does this

manufacturer actually think people are so stupid that they won't

notice the same thing listed twice just because one's in Latin?) and

cayenne only "to increase bioavailability"? They're plant drugs in

their own right! (Which, on their own, may well be useful for some

people with this disease.)



I don't think much at all of whatever "doctor" suggested this stuff. I

can't say as I see much of anything here that could really improve

things all that much, lost in such a mess of things that can easily

make the situation far worse. Throw it away!



Mari





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: biotherm

From: Linda N <lindax@my-deja.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:59:52 GMT

--------

In article <rn6jvs0md2o7hb3trjjc4n4jqm3elsi08i@4ax.com>,

  johnmari@gis.net wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:56:35 -0700, Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

> wrote:

>

> >June Harrison <psy333che@home.com> wrote:

> >

> >>Im interested in getting some feedback for a friend who has

fibromyalgia

> >>and wanted to know if anyone had suggestions on what herbs to take.

> >>She is tired alot and her legs are achey and unsteady at times

> >  REST!  Fibromyalgia is your body trying to tell you it is sick

> >and needs some recuperation time.

>

> *dry chuckle* After seven years with enough FMS and other goodies so

> that at times I'm confined to bed and wheelchair, I wonder just how

> much more bloody time does it want?



I agree. Bed rest is NOT the answer.



> >  Guaiafesin (the ingredient in

> >many cough syrups) is treported to help with the muscle aches.

>

> For some people, guaifenesin makes the situation much worse. It's a

> fairly vicious and unpleasant treatment that needs to be carefully

> considered (and you need to take it in pill form by prescription -

> you'd have to drink gallons of cough syrup every day to get enough!).

> Devin Starlanyl's two books on fibromyalgia cover guaifenesin therapy

> pretty thoroughly.



Drugs are not the answer either.



> Me, I treat symptoms as they come up with both herbs and

> pharmaceuticals and Do Whatever Helps. I've given up on the various

> treatments touted as systemic therapies and "cures."



I can imagine that you have given up on all those touted cures, but here

is another view coming out of the environmental medicine camp, and I

happen to think it is the best approach yet. Dr. Pizzorno also talks

about leaky gut and food and environmental allergies as causes for a

host of so called "syndromes in his book "Total Wellness. including that

catch all diagnosis "fibromyalgia."



There is no one same treatment for all, but as an MCS advocate and

contact in my area, and also someone who is self studying herbal

medicine while I still search for funds to go to herbal school, I see

lots of people diagnosed with fibromyalgia and a host of other "garbage"

diagnoses who get their conditions under control with the techniques

described below by Dr. Sherry Rogers, M.D. in an article written in the

"Townsend letters for doctors.



Like she says in her article, people vary tremendously in the causes of

fibromyalgia but there does seem to be an underlying common thread of

hidden food, dust, and environmental sensitivties.



I repost the entire article for your convenience.  Please excuse any

spelling and other errors as I put the article through an OCR program

just now and just very quickly tried to correct any errors the OCR

program did not catch. The article is reposted in its entirety so also

excuse any advertising that is contained in the paper, for Dr. Roger's

book.



"Environmental Medicine



by Sherry A. Rogers, M.D.



Northeast Center for Environmental Medicine  Syracuse, New York



Correspondence: P.O Box 2716  Syracuse NY 13220  315-488-2856



The Fibromyalgia Fiasco

Out of the Garbage Can



Well, there is a new "catch-all," or

"cop-out" or just plain garbage term in

medicine. As you know these terms are

merely an excuse for not looking for

environmental triggers or biochemical

defects as causes. So instead, symptoms

are collected and given a mysterious new

name or label and then drugs are

prescribed to mask the symptoms.

Chronic fatigue syndrome, PMS and

many other disorders fit this description.

They have no known cause, no known

treatment, and no diagnostic tests to

prove them.



The new kid on the block is

fibromyalgia. What it means is that we

don't know why you ache and hurt all

over, and we don't look for environmental

triggers, and we don't look for

biochemical defects. Therefore, it is

diagnosed by a history of bizarre aches

and pains that can move over the body

or stay in certain places and no amount

of medication seems to help them.

Usually there are trigger points that are

very sensitive and out of proportion to

anything that has happened to the body,

and these can be found by palpating in

different areas.



The treatment is usually a parade of

non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs

from Motrin to Feldene to Anaprox,

Tolectin, Ansaid, Advil, Indocin,

Meclomen, Toradol, Nalfon, Aleve,

Naprosyn, Relafen, Voltaren, you name it



These, of course, don't do anything to

help isolate the cause nor to get rid of

the disease. They merely mask the pain

and don't do a very good job at that. But

the real irony of the whole situation and

the reason that it is such a fiasco, is that

non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs

(NSAIDs) can also cause fibromyalgia.

So the very drug that is used as the

main-stay of treatment actually causes

the disease to get worse.



How do NSAIDs cause fibromyalgia

and make it get worse once it has started?

These drugs cause widening between

cells in the intestinal or gut lining. This

is called intestinal hyperpermeability or

the leaky gut syndrome. These large



spaces allow toxins bacterial products,

and foods that the body normallu does

not see,pass into the Bloodstream. .When

it sees these new or foreign particles, it

mounts an attack and \starts making

antibodies to them. Hence, food allergies,

for example can surface..



The problem is that when the body

makes antibodies against bacterial and

food products, these happen to have

antigenic sites that are similar to many

of the body's proteins. So when you eat a

certain food, the antigens that are made

against large particles of this food going

across the leaky gut, then find similar-

looking antigenic rites in the body, such

as on muscles and bones, and they start

attacking those areas, causing an

inflammatory reaction and the resultant

pain and body aches so classic of

fibromoyalgia. But since wheat, for

example, never caused you to ache before

and you've eaten it every day of your life,

it is the last thing you are suspicions of.



Furthermore, the bacterial toxins

that leak through can damage the liver

and reduce its ability to handle other

chemicals in the environment. So now

you have chemical sensitivities all of a

sudden as well, like finding it difficult to

concentrate around certain perfumes or

stores.



People vary tremendously in the

causes of their fibromyalgia.  If I look at

the last 12 cases of "untreatable,"



well, we find a common thread among

all of them. Most of the people have

hidden dust, mold, and pollen allergies

and often they have headaches, sinusitis,

asthma, or postnasal drip as a milder

symptom for winch they normally would

not have consulted a physician. All of

the people without fail, have had vitamin

or mineral deficiencies when we test

them. This makes sense because

whenever you have a sick body with any

type of symptom there has to be

biochemical deficiencies that accompany

this, otherwise, you would not have

succumbed to symptoms. And they have

hidden food and chemical sensitivities



(diagnosis and treatment described in

Tired or Toxic)



Also, most of the people

gut  syndrome or intestinal

hyperpermeability which can be proven

with urine tests.  Sometimes the cause of

the leaky gut is overgrowth of a yeast

called Candida albicans from years of

 sweets or antibiotics. Other times, it can

be caused by non-steroidal anti-

inflammatory drugs used to treat other

conditions, or pregnisone, other

medications, or undiagnosed food

allergies can be the cause.



The diagnostic test relies on

determining the kinetics of how two

dissimilar ingested sugars pass through

the intestine. They are measured in the

urine.  The treatment varies with the

individual's history, symptoms, and

severity of disease.  There are numerous

ways to heal the gut, from very

sophisticated medication down to many

over-the-counter remedies.  And even

very humble beginnings like chewing

food more thoroughly can be an effective

measure. And more difficult cases need

specific detoxification programs of

enzymes, enemas, and juicing as detailed

in "Wellness against All Odds."



The important point is that we now

have the tools with which to diagnose

and treat the causes of fibromyalgia. For

no longer do you have to be a diagnostic

dilemma, forever living on drugs.  It is no

a mysterious Motrin deficiency.



Fibromyalgia can come out of the garbage

can and into the era of molecular and

environmental medicine.



Dr. Sherry Rogers is a board-certified

certified by the American Academy of

Environmental Medicine and the

American Academy of Family Practice,

and teaches courses for physicians

around the world, has written 14 medical

papers and 8 books, and an ongoing

Health Letter.



"Wellness Against All Odds" is available

through Prestige Publishing, PO Box

3161, Syracuse, NY 13220 1-800-846

6687.



TOWNSEND LETTER FOR DOCTORS -April 1995"



Peace,

Linda N





Learn more about MCS at CIIN  http://ciin.org/

"The Lord hath created medicines out of the earth;

and he that is wise will not abhor them."

Ecclesiasticus 38:4





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Subject: saw palmetto

From: "Nancy S+13" <nancys13@mail.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 05:54:10 GMT

--------

Anybody know what effect Saw Palmetto has on women's hormones?  The things

I've been able about it to find are pretty ambiguous.



--

Nancy S+13











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Subject: Re: formula for a strong drinkable liniments

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:43:54 -0400

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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:56:50 -0700, maxz1 <maxz1@early.com> wrote:



>Anyone know of any good formula for a strong cure all drinkable

>liniments , I want to make some but can not find anything. maxz1



Why on earth would you want to drink your liniment? Liniments are

intended to be used topically.



Mari





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Subject: Re: formula for a strong drinkable liniments

From: peacedawge@aol.comgarbage ( MoJoMoon aka Jo)

Date: 27 Oct 2000 19:36:02 GMT

--------

>Anyone know of any good formula for a strong cure all drinkable

>liniments , I want to make some but can not find anything. maxz1



Maybe because a linament is rubbed on,not drunk?....





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Subject: Re: formula for a strong drinkable liniments

From: Don <harouffd@top.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:03:15 GMT

--------

maxz1 <maxz1@early.com> wrote:



>My grandma use to buy some and my mom , it had right on it you could

>make a tea with it and drink it to. It was great for flu and all kinds

>of stuff , you could also put it on the out side , but we always used it

>for a tea when really really sick. It was really strong stuff , but it

>was help full , like cure you or kill you kind of thing. maxz1

>



Maybe if you describe the taste or smell someone might be able to

figure out what it might of been. I do agree with others liniment

isn't the description of the tea but that might of been what your

grandma called it.



Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.hmg-eo.com/





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Subject: Re: formula for a strong drinkable liniments

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 28 Oct 2000 19:55:57 GMT

--------

Perhaps it was oil of wintergreen or something similar that is used as a

rub but can be edible in minute amounts?



maxz1 <maxz1@early.com> wrote:

>Very strong smell of mint not bad at all , and very hot like take your breath

>away taste , if you don't make a tea with it. I remember telling my mom I

>didn't need to make a tea with it , so she said go ahead you'll be sorry big

>shot. And boy was I sorry , but I did feel better after that part went away.

>All the men tried taking it with out tea , but they didn't make out any

>better then me. It did say  liniment for internal and external use on it , I

>remember looking after gagging on it. The tea was alttle better tasting , but

>still strong but much better then with out. maxz1





-- 

  jamie  (mjwm@austin.rr.com)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: formula for a strong drinkable liniments

From: maxz1 <maxz1@early.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:48:18 -0800

--------

I ask my mom about it and she said it was called liniment , and that you put it in

hot water. She also said that she and my grand mom used it allot , every time

anyone came down with something they would get a dose. And that it worked really

good , and it did not have what it was made with on the bottle. And that they got

it from a guy selling stuff from a truck , they use to do that all the time around

here in PA. And still do in many places , and that she seen it at market auction

stands around to. She said it did smell and teased like I said , plus that she

would think any older people would know about it. That many people use to use it

allot , and that a really big place use to make it.The last guy she ask about it

that was going around in a truck , did not have any but know of it. maxz1



ka&g wrote:



> sounds like a hearty mint  julep.  <G>

>

> maxz1 wrote:

>

> > Very strong smell of mint not bad at all , and very hot like take your breath

> > away taste , if you don't make a tea with it.

>

> ************************************************************

> "A man may be a fool and not know it - but not if he is married."

> H.L. Mencken

>

> http://www.lifehousemusic.com/lh_music.html catchytune. says me.







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Subject: Breasts

From: Spectra <spectra137@my-deja.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:30:34 GMT

--------

From: "jason" <jrs@vermontel.net>

Subject: breasts





>my breasts have always been smaller then I have

>liked.Is there any herbal treatment for this?



As has been known for some time now, breast size can often be increased

thru the power of the subconscious mind. For instance, hypnotherapy,

wiccan magic, or placebos can indeed work.



The problem is that placebos, which have no actual effect except

in the mind, can serve to increase breast size because they harness

the power of the brain. Hence, you can buy a product that is really

quite worthless, and use it, and it might work if you believe it will.

It is easy therefore for natural breast enhancement products to be

bogus, or its also possible for them to be real. Since the FDA is not

doing any tests on these, there is little way to tell which it is.





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Subject: Re: Breasts

From: "Hilltrudger" <hilltrudger@xxxx.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:31:41 -0000

--------



> >my breasts have always been smaller then I have

> >liked.Is there any herbal treatment for this?



You really shouldn't worry about this. Small breasts are much more

attractive!! It's more about proportion that absolute size, they won't be

hanging down to your knees by the time you retire, and small breasts are

usually a much better shape.



HT











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Breasts

From: "Jewelweed Soap" <nature@edge.net>

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:44:13 -0600

--------

#1.  Anything that makes them larger is probably temporary, could be

dangerous. I have noticed increased size when I take Siberian Ginseng. I do

not recommend this as it also made them sore and tender... makes you want to

go around with ice packs on you chest believe me! As soon as I found out

which herb was causing this situation I quit using it.



#2 The bigger they are the harder they fall <g> or in the case of breasts..

the farther



Forget about it and think of all the small breast advantages :-)





--

Karen Shelton

Manchester, TN

Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

http://altnature.com











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Newsgroups: nashville.general,alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer

Subject: thank you and love

From: "Jewelweed Soap" <nature@edge.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:12:28 -0500

--------

I just returned from IL and my fathers funeral. I want to thank those of you

who were numerous and compassionate with your emails when I talked about my

Dad having cancer. Very much appreciated by my family  when I told them

about it as we shared comfort in his passing Tuesday and the last few days.

 I also want to share that my last words to him were "I love you", and he

mumbled by "I love you too Karen." .



Say it to your kids, your parents, your spouse, your brother, your sister,

your friends... let those be the last words you remember saying to someone.

If you can't say that think of some way of telling someone you are glad they

are part of our life, someday you will be glad you did.



My father died knowing he was loved by his children, long time lady

companion, and surrounded by friends. I saw him 9 days before and he still

smiled and mumbled jokes for "us kids". We should all be so fortunate as to

be remembered that way. But sometimes our loved ones are taken before we

have time to say these things so there is never guaranteed time to take

people for granted. You will never forget the last words you say to a loved

one.



Thank you,

Karen Shelton

Manchester, TN

http://altnature.com















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Subject: while we're on the subject of linden...

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:54:54 -0400

--------



Linden is most definitely not flowering in NH right now (_nothing_ is

flowering here right now! :-)) and I'm not even sure if they grow

around here in the first place, but I was running out of the expensive

tincture I'd bought so on my routine trip to the herb shop I picked up

some dry linden to make up another batch. (I am not really a tea

person.) It seems, though, to be mostly leaves, and the references

I've checked say it's only the flowers that are used for medicinal

purposes. Do I need to separate the leaves from the flowers (what a

chore!)? Are the leaves useful for anything, or should I just grind

them up with the flowers? The proportion of leafy material to flowers

surprised me, because the herb shop uses a fairly reputable supplier

(Frontier). 



Mari





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: while we're on the subject of linden...

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:16:20 -0400

--------

   I would be surprised if they did not grow and flower in NH, cuz they do

in Maine. I found hundreds this year. What I have not sorted out yet is how

many are of what species- the main contenders being tilia americana

(basswood) and then the european one (the species name escapes me).

Somewhere I saw a list with about 6 or more species (one is tilia cordata, I

think). The town of Portland, Me. must have made a decision to do a major

planting of these some years back, because they are all over the place; but

once I knew what to look for, I found 4 within a 5 mile radius of my house.

I am thinking that the different species probably have roughly equivalent

therapeutic qualities to the tea made from the flowers. It is for a question

like this that an arboretum is so wonderful. There is no substitute for the

firsthand knowledge of scent and other characteristics. I have ambitions to

plant about 10 of these per year (OK, so it's still on the drawing board..),

and I am wondering when they first bloom.

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --



"John & Mari Morgan" <johnmari@gis.net> wrote in message

news:t63mvs0t15dqh4q43trkti4odstprjuovf@4ax.com...

>

> Linden is most definitely not flowering in NH right now (_nothing_ is

> flowering here right now! :-)) and I'm not even sure if they grow

> around here in the first place, but I was running out of the expensive

> tincture I'd bought so on my routine trip to the herb shop I picked up

> some dry linden to make up another batch. (I am not really a tea

> person.) It seems, though, to be mostly leaves, and the references

> I've checked say it's only the flowers that are used for medicinal

> purposes. Do I need to separate the leaves from the flowers (what a

> chore!)? Are the leaves useful for anything, or should I just grind

> them up with the flowers? The proportion of leafy material to flowers

> surprised me, because the herb shop uses a fairly reputable supplier

> (Frontier).

>

> Mari









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: while we're on the subject of linden...

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 29 Oct 2000 07:01:58 GMT

--------

Wakefield <heretik@loa.com> wrote:

>Somewhere I saw a list with about 6 or more species (one is tilia cordata, I

>think). The town of Portland, Me. must have made a decision to do a major

>planting of these some years back, because they are all over the place; but

>once I knew what to look for, I found 4 within a 5 mile radius of my house.



They must be cheap and hardy (or were cheap some time ago).  In Cambridge

and Somerville MA, they were planted in sidewalks all over the city about

20 years ago, where they thrive as sidewalk trees go.  Unfortunately,

I'm horridly allergic to linden pollen, and had a terrible time in the

spring living in that area.



-- 

  jamie  (mjwm@austin.rr.com)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: while we're on the subject of linden...

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:13:19 -0500

--------

On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:16:20 -0400, "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

wrote:



>   I would be surprised if they did not grow and flower in NH, cuz they do

>in Maine. I found hundreds this year. What I have not sorted out yet is how

>many are of what species- the main contenders being tilia americana

>(basswood) and then the european one (the species name escapes me).

>Somewhere I saw a list with about 6 or more species (one is tilia cordata, I

>think). The town of Portland, Me. must have made a decision to do a major

>planting of these some years back, because they are all over the place; but

>once I knew what to look for, I found 4 within a 5 mile radius of my house.

>I am thinking that the different species probably have roughly equivalent

>therapeutic qualities to the tea made from the flowers. It is for a question

>like this that an arboretum is so wonderful. There is no substitute for the

>firsthand knowledge of scent and other characteristics. I have ambitions to

>plant about 10 of these per year (OK, so it's still on the drawing board..),

>and I am wondering when they first bloom.



That's all very nice, but you still didn't tell me what to do with the

bleepin' leaves, which is what I was asking. :-) At this point I

couldn't give a fart in a high wind about how many species the city

fathers of Portland felt like planting, when I've got a bag full of

plant material that I'm trying to figure out how much is waste!



Mari

who notes that this group does at times seem to have a bit of a

problem with answering everything BUT the actual question





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Subject: Re: while we're on the subject of linden...

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 29 Oct 2000 17:08:21 GMT

--------

John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net> wrote:

>That's all very nice, but you still didn't tell me what to do with the

>bleepin' leaves, which is what I was asking. :-) At this point I

>couldn't give a fart in a high wind about how many species the city

>fathers of Portland felt like planting, when I've got a bag full of

>plant material that I'm trying to figure out how much is waste!



I never saw your original question.

I've only ever heard of uses for linden flowers, not the leaves.



-- 

  jamie  (mjwm@austin.rr.com)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: while we're on the subject of linden...

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:26:44 +0200

--------

John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net> wrote:



>purposes. Do I need to separate the leaves from the flowers (what a

>chore!)? Are the leaves useful for anything, or should I just grind

>them up with the flowers? The proportion of leafy material to flowers

>surprised me, because the herb shop uses a fairly reputable supplier

>(Frontier). 



What we call linden "flower" includes a cover leaf. It does not include any real

linden leaves, and my guess is that those would be more or less inert. That's

just a guess, mind.



Anyway. If you have real bona fide leaves in there, and not just the cover leaf

(palish green strips that are 1/3 inch (1 cm) wide and 2-3" (5-7 cm) long), take

-more- of the herb to make your tea.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

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Subject: Re: while we're on the subject of linden...

From: John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net>

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:41:27 -0500

--------

On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:26:44 +0200, Henriette Kress

<hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:



>John & Mari Morgan <johnmari@gis.net> wrote:

>

>>purposes. Do I need to separate the leaves from the flowers (what a

>>chore!)? Are the leaves useful for anything, or should I just grind

>>them up with the flowers? The proportion of leafy material to flowers

>>surprised me, because the herb shop uses a fairly reputable supplier

>>(Frontier). 

>

>What we call linden "flower" includes a cover leaf. It does not include any real

>linden leaves, and my guess is that those would be more or less inert. That's

>just a guess, mind.

>

>Anyway. If you have real bona fide leaves in there, and not just the cover leaf

>(palish green strips that are 1/3 inch (1 cm) wide and 2-3" (5-7 cm) long), take

>-more- of the herb to make your tea.



I'm making linden tincture - I am not much of a tea drinker at the

best of times and the thought of preparing and drinking pints a day of

various teas makes me gag, at least with a bunch of tinctures I can

get it all down in one shotglass - but I very much appreciate this

information. It looks like what I have is the cover leaves as well as

the little flowers, because they do fit your description. Into the

grinder it all goes! :-)



Mari







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: drainage par les plantes

From: remylejeune@aol.com (RemyLejeune)

Date: 29 Oct 2000 07:55:17 GMT

--------

bonjour,

je suis franais et, inscrit en facult de mdecine  Bobigny ( 93 - Ile de

France)

je termine un mmoire sur les plantes et les mdicaments du drainage, au niveau

des monctoires ( foie, reins , poumons, intestins et peau).

merci de m'envoyer par ml, les plantes que vous utilisez rgulirement dans

ces indications....

cordialement





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: cayenne

From: Jeanette Johnson <rej@cpinternet.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 06:25:19 -0600

--------

I just read in one of my herbal books that red pepper(cayenne) in a

poultice, applied to an area, will stimulate circulation and help

swelling and inflammation?  Is this true...this is sort of an emergency

so I had to ask!



thanks!







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cayenne

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:32:59 +0200

--------

Jeanette Johnson <rej@cpinternet.com> wrote:



>I just read in one of my herbal books that red pepper(cayenne) in a

>poultice, applied to an area, will stimulate circulation and help

>swelling and inflammation?  Is this true...this is sort of an emergency

>so I had to ask!



Yes, it's one of the plants that does that. In -small- amounts. If you overdo it

you can watch your painful blisters as they develop.

Another would be menthol (or a peppermint EO, not too strong). Even toothpaste

will do, if it's peppermint-flavored.

Another is _homoepathic_ arnica, in salve or whatever.

Another is an infused oil of St. John's wort.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: biotherm & FM

From: N`osal Woodbender <sndman@concentric.net>

Date: 30 Oct 2000 19:39:38 GMT

--------





George Lagergren wrote:



>         June Harrison <psy333che@home.com>  wrote:           10-27-00  09:10

> JH> Im interested in getting some feedback for a friend who has

> JH> fibromyalgia and wanted to know if anyone had suggestions on what

> JH> herbs to take.  She is tired alot and her legs are achey and

> JH> unsteady at times

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>  replied:

> TDN> REST!  Fibromyalgia is your body trying to tell you it is sick

> TDN> and needs some recuperation time.  Guaiafesin (the ingredient in

> TDN> many cough syrups) is treported to help with the muscle aches.

>

>      Sleeping on a high quality magnetic mattress pad is said to

>      put the body in deeper sleep so the muscles can relax and rest.



    As a person with FM, I tried that, several different types. The problem is

the pads where all so uncomfortable that they aggravated my already erratic

sleep cycle. If they could make a comfortable magnetic mattress, it might work.



>

>

> .. End  of  message                                 27 Oct 00  09:16

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>

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Subject: herb database

From: Jeanette Johnson <rej@cpinternet.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:37:03 -0600

--------

Where can I go online to look for herb info?  I like ALL HERB.com

becuase they have that nice little brief synopsys about a herb, but

where else can I go online?







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Subject: Re: New site

From: Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam_.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:46:33 -0500

--------

On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:28:17 GMT, "frl" <frl5633@optonline.net> wrote:



>I run a site that deals with alternative healthcare, and would like to know

>if I can present it here.  It is a commercial site, but it also provides

>information and access to holistic and nutritional counseling.



No. You can answer people's questions and have the URL in your signature.

But your reply shouldn't be making reference to the site.



Don (donwiss at panix.com).





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help locating an herb i need

From: "J and A" <pawfect@tds.net>

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:17:40 GMT

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Can anyone tell me where I can get Mormordica charantia  (Bitter melon)?

Thanks!

Ally



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: New Hair w/ Herbs? was Re: hair growth

From: "GritsGal" <gritsgal@email.com>

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:47:09 -0600

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From what I've read:  To stimulate hair growth - Rosemary, Neroli, Lavender,

Geranium, Basil, Ginger, Cedarwood, Sage, Hyssop, Thyme, Lemon, Grapefruit,

and Cypress.  You would need to combine some, or use seperately.....adding a

drop to a 1/4 tsp of water and rub in the scalp.









Michael Romagnoli <fang27@excite.com> wrote in message

news:394cda2e.1468884@east.usenetserver.com...

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> Hey, this posting (and its replies) caught my attention: would yarrow,

> rosemary, nettle, and others help those with hair loss?  At least slow

> it down?

>

> Would I ingest herbs that could be used for this, wash my hair with

> them, or both?  Which ones work best?  Has anyone had any success with

> them or have there been studies?

>

> Thanks!  :-)

>

> -Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: schools, sites, etc

From: gfpagan@yahoo.com

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:20:51 GMT

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Hello. Can anyone advise regarding good Canadian schools that offer

programs in herbalism? Also, can anyone provide info about the "Wild

Rose College of Natural Healing" in Calgary, Alberta. And for my final

question, can anyone recommend good web sites for herbs, education,

associations, etc?



Thanks for your help. Please respond directly to my email address.





Bernard



gfpagan@yahoo.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Vinegar questions

From: spec2124@aol.com (Spec2124)

Date: 31 Oct 2000 20:00:17 GMT

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In a local newspaper I saw an advert for a book about vinegar and how it can

help prevent/cure headaches and other health uses vinegar can be put to. Anyone

know how vinegar can be used as a health food/cure/prevention, etc?



