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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: comfrey

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:27:52 -0500

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Paul Iannone wrote:



> Vitamin C, E, zinc, essential fatty acids, and protein can help slow the

> development of wrinkles/loss of collagen.



I also think it's true that fruit acids remove the dead cell layer build-up,

and reduce the appearance of wrinkles.  Unfortunately, I have rosacea and can't

use them.



Speaking of which, does anyone know of anything that will help with rosacea?



May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: comfrey

From: Eloriel <eloriel@mindspring.com>

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 23:27:36 -0500

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Ginny wrote:

>> Can you tell me the usages of this herb?  I had asked a question to

>another 

>> website about lines above my lips as a result of many years of smoking. 

>> Comfrey was recommended but not how to use it.

>> 

>> Can you help me with this...perhaps you might know of another topical or 

>> oral application.



Comfrey is very mucilaginous (soothing, but slimy!) and also contains

allantoin which promotes cell regeneration. It's one of my *must have on

hand* herbs and I finally got some comfrey plants last year which are doing

beautifully so far this year. :-)  



The way I use it is to make a poultice for sprains, bruises, or for healing

any other musculo-skeletal wounds.



In case you need to know how to make a poultice, this is how I do it: Take

the powerdered or cut comfrey root, simmer it in a non-metallic pan (corning

ware or stove-top safe pyrex) for 20-30 minutes ( roughly a heaping

tablespoon per 2 to 4 cups of water). When barely cool enough to immerse my

hands I take a natural fibre cloth (cotton), dip it in and wring it out.  I

usually also take some of the herb itself and put it on the cloth where it

will go directly over the sprain or bruise. Then I apply the hot wet cloth

to the site, wrap it snugly with plastic wrap (to try to contain the gooey

mess), then with a dry cloth (perhaps a towel), and finally apply low heat

from a heating pad. I reheat the decoction and repeat when it cools and gets

uncomfortable, as many times as I'm able. It's really messy, but really

effective.



My husband sprained his knee so badly he could barely walk on it a few years

ago. The next day we did 3 or 4 applications of comfrey root poultice, and

the day after that he had no swelling, no bruising, no pain and only a very

minor limitation of range of motion in the knee which cleared up quickly

(another day or so).  



Comfrey is said to be excellent for the skin, but I've not personally used

it for that. If it helps with your wrinkles, tho, I'd definitely like to

know! Sounds like it would with all that mucilage and allantoin.



You can make a tea of the dried leaves, but *the authorities* these days are

saying it contains alkaloids potentially damaging to the liver. (I'd

probably take it myself if I had a reason to, but felt obligated to mention

this.) I like the way Linda Page discusses it in her book (How to Be Your

Own Herbal Pharmacist): "Although used for thousands of years safely and

effectively" (indeed!) -- she nevertheless recommends "using an organically

grown source for a very short limited time, or using comfrey EXTERNALLY

[only] until more information on these alkaloids is known."  [emphasis added]



Hope this helps,



Eloriel



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: comfrey

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:18:03 -0500

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> The way I use it is to make a poultice for sprains, bruises, or for

healing

> any other musculo-skeletal wounds.



=================I have an old neck injury that I use castor oil packs on

regularly. If I don't, I get really stiff, and end up with bad headaches.

I'm wondering if comfrey might help? Since it's an old, established injury,

I don't expect to cure it (whiplash over 30 years old). But I don't mind

trying new things. Can the alkoids be absored through the skin in large

enough amounts to cause liver damage?



Susan H.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: comfrey

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:21:51 -0500

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<<Can the alkoids be absorbed through the skin in large enough amounts to

cause liver damage?>>



No, large amounts of PAs won't be absorbed through the skin.  All the

cases of PA poisoning from comfrey root have involved long term,

sustained oral doses, mostly in dietary rather than medicinal amounts,

with fetus's being most at risk. (In one case of PA damage which resulted

in the death of a fetus- from petasites, not comfrey- the fetal liver

was destroyed while the mother's liver retained no damage).  I've heard

major herbalists who have researched the matter (and who don't recommend

use of the root internally) say that EXTERNAL use is even safe for

pregnant or nursing women.  (For large areas of denuded skin, pregnant

mothers might be better advised to use calendula, erring on the side of

caution).



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

Courage is the most important of all virtues, because without it we can't

practice any other virtue with consistency. -- Maya Angelou



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: comfrey

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:05:47 -0500

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I have a question about my daughter's ankle. She was hit with a croquet

ball on the ankle last year. Ever since then just off and on she

complains of her ankles hurting. I was wondering if anyone knew of a

particular ointment, salve or cream that might penetrate into the bone to

help the healing process. I suspect a salve with comfrey but I have not

seen any. My comfrey has not come up in the garden yet. Anything else

that would go with it especially well? I would appreciate any input.

Linda S.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: comfrey

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:34:54 EDT

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In a message dated 4/4/00 11:08:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

lindashipley@juno.com writes:



<< I have a question about my daughter's ankle. She was hit with a croquet

 ball on the ankle last year. Ever since then just off and on she

 complains of her ankles hurting. I was wondering if anyone knew of a

 particular ointment, salve or cream that might penetrate into the bone to

 help the healing process. I suspect a salve with comfrey but I have not

 seen any. My comfrey has not come up in the garden yet. Anything else

 that would go with it especially well? I would appreciate any input.

 Linda S. >>



Hi Linda -



My son had repeat injuries to his angle skateboarding last year, so we went 

the comfrey, arnica cream route and he had acupuncture for strengthening the 

ankle.  He's doing fine now and was able to be active last summer.  You can 

make the cream, using tinctures of the herbs(arnica, we used the homeopathic 

preparation) and a good vitamin E base cream you can get from your pharmacy.



In health -

Mary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Using herbs to clean the lungs

From: "gonetoda" <gonetoday@drfast.net>

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:21:36 -0500

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> That's just dirt in the lungs, and you can clean them with herbs. The

> cleaner they are made, the less this sort of dependency will exist.



Which herbs can be used to effectively clean the lungs?



Linda Franz

gonetoday@drfast.net 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Using herbs to clean the lungs

From: "Andre and Melana" <kanawa@rocler.qc.ca>

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 05:21:03 -0500

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A good one I use a lot is mullein.  You can drink it in a tea or if you

smoke you can create your own blend and smoke it. (Not mind altering at all)

I use it both ways and it works wonders for my lungs....especially during

the winter when I am stuck inside and am breathing the same old boring air

over and over.



I am sure someone else here can tell you far more about it than I...but I

wanted to pop in and give you this one to ponder.



Melana

Edible Wild Kitchen

http://memberpage.women.com/food/kanawa/a_entry.html



: Sent to the herblist by gonetoday <gonetoday@drfast.net> :

:

: > That's just dirt in the lungs, and you can clean them with herbs. The

: > cleaner they are made, the less this sort of dependency will exist.

:

: Which herbs can be used to effectively clean the lungs?

:

: Linda Franz

: gonetoday@drfast.net



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Oregano

From: "Robert Mason" <robert@toxicology.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:57:43 +0100

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I must say that the Oregano essential I have supplied is Oreganum vulgare

L.

Best wishes,

Clare.



> 

> Furthermore, this isn't even real oregano essential oil.  What is being

> marketed is "Wild Oregano" essential oil, which is a Thymus species

> rather than an Origanum.  I'm suspicious of the parasite school of

> thought- 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Growing Yarrow

From: "Jan Schmidt" <jans@rnet.com>

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:26:14 -0600

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Karen,

  I think the two most medicinal are the white and pink. They are fern

leafed and much finer foliage than  the coronation gold and other

ornamentals. they smell so foul that I would not make tea from them.

Just my .o2

Jan S.

PS. My yard is over taken with the pink. If later in the season anyone needs

some write me. Will send for postage.

www.sweetprairiesoap.com

Herb Garden Delights, Soaps & Sundries made Right!

Come See New Soap Pics!

Soap Molds and Cutters for sale!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Growing Yarrow

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:54:48 -0500

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The white and the pink yarrow growing wild in New England

are both Achillea millefolium.  While the pink forms are fairly rare here,

and apparently more the norm in Europe, I have seen masses of the pink form

growing wild in sandy fields around me (not lately, though...paving paradise

goes on...) disappear and fade to white as the years pass..



I had a light pink yarrow become potbound and turn white in a matter of

weeks last year, too.

And I have had intense pink ones occur where I had not ever planted any

yarrow at all.

There are cultivars and forms of this species that are sold in various

shades of pink and red...I do not know if these colors are stable, or

whether they fade or produce seedlings with white flowers, as I have only

grown what has come wild, or given to me so far.  What I have grown, pink to

white, seems to really be the same plant...just different color, but fine

scent.



So, I think Karen's comment on yarrow's strength of smell indicating it's

medicinal strength seems reasonable to me.



When yarrow is hybridized, leaving behind scent in favor of color, then I

would think that the

properties really change.



But there are something like 50 to 100 different species of yarrow out

there...all I have come across have had listed uses, but none comparable

with the depth and versatility of "thousand leafed" yarrow used by so many

cultures.  Many of the ornamental forms of yarrow are actually other species

or crosses.  The other species have their properties, not identical to those

of the "common" yarrow.  Hybrids, and there are quite a few, i would

intuitively think would be much weaker, as yarrow is cultivated for color

and form, not for scent....so...



Ornamental yellow and golden yarrows might be a product of a cross, or just

one of many other species,

and I imagine they would be weaker and more limited in potency of smell and

action...I feel like I am babbling here now...time for bed. Joanie



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Growing Yarrow

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:02:40 EST

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In a message dated 4/1/00 12:58:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, 

macphee@net1plus.com writes:



<< Ornamental yellow and golden yarrows might be a product of a cross, or just

 one of many other species,

 and I imagine they would be weaker and more limited in potency of smell and

 action...I feel like I am babbling here now...time for bed. Joanie



  >>



Hi Joanie -



We grow the white here as well as the yellow, and I have to say the white 

seems stronger, but we get good potency from the yellow also.  Maybe growing 

organic with intent helps?



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH, N.D.

Professional Consultations/Online Classes-Registration thru 4/10/00

Botanical Pharmacy, Burtonsville, Md.

Catalogue thru:  Herbgrow30@aol.com

Specializing in Substance Abuse/Addictions Counseling

                                                ***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Growing Yarrow

From: "Graham White" <hendongreen@gn.apc.org>

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:18:14 +0100

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Some info on Yarrow for them as can get hold of it.



Hedley, Christopher. 'Yarrow - a monograph.' European Journal of Herbal

Medicine 2(3):14-18, 1996.



Zeylstra, Hein. 'Just yarrow?' British Journal of Phytotherapy 4(4):184-189,

1997.



Cheers



Graham White  B.Sc. (Herb. Med.), MNIMH.

Medical Herbalist

--------------------------------------------------------------------



hendongreen@gn.apc.org



-----Original Message-----

From: Jan Schmidt <jans@rnet.com>

To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu <herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu>

Date: 01 April 2000 03:21

Subject: Re: Growing Yarrow



>Sent to the herblist by jan schmidt <jans@rnet.com> :



>Karen,

>  I think the two most medicinal are the white and pink. They are fern

>leafed and much finer foliage than  the coronation gold and other

>ornamentals. they smell so foul that I would not make tea from them.

>Just my .o2

>Jan S.

>PS. My yard is over taken with the pink. If later in the season anyone

needs

>some write me. Will send for postage.



>www.sweetprairiesoap.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Kinesiology (was: Lyme disease)

From: Eloriel <eloriel@mindspring.com>

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 23:54:11 -0500

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Paul Ionnone wrote:

>Big deal--'applied kinesiology' isn't worth spit compared to an actual

>analysis of the case. Shoot this alternative barber before he complicates

>a simple case further. Puttting a blood deficient woman with worries on a

>bunch of antithelmintics on a GUESS really TICKS me off. Give me his

>address; I want to fly over there and give him a mercury filling reduction

>with my knuckles.



Well, I can't address the COMPARATIVE merits of Applied Kinesiology versus

other methods of diagnosis especially in this particular case, BUT, I feel

obliged to offer a counterbalanceing view just in case there are people on

the list who are unfamiliar with kinesiology and who would be tempted to

take the above comment as an accurate blanket indictment of kinesiology. 



I'm not trained in Applied Kinesiology, or Clinical Kinesiology, but have

been trained in another form of kinesiology (Educational Kinesiology and

Touch for Health). And, I've been successfully diagnosed (and therefore

successfully treated for a number of things) by my chiropractor over the

years who, in fact, uses ONLY kinesiology to diagnose chiropractic and

related problems, as more and more chiropractors are doing these days

(goodbye X-Ray Machines!!!! Hooray!). In fact, I wouldn't by choice see any

chiropractor who does not use AK or CK or other appropriate form(s) of

kinesiology. (Just my personal preference.)



Kinesiology is, IMO and personal experience, a magnificent tool, and I'd

hate for anyone to get the wrong TOTAL idea about it because of one person's

opinion (even if that opinion may be correct in this particular case --

something I'm not convinced of, but allow could be true.) 



Personally, I'd be absolutely thrilled to find a dentist who uses

kinesiology. Heck -- I'm thrilled just to know there's even ONE such dentist

out there. 



Just to make myself clear: I'm not suggesting that kinesiology is BETTER

than other excellent methods of diagnoses (viz., in THIS discussion, chinese

healing), but rather that it has value and merit on its own, is anything but

worthless, and also isn't guesswork in the hands of a trained, competent

kinesiologist.



(Really sorry to be OT, Henrietta, but I really did feel Paul's statement

called for another view to be expressed.)



Eloriel



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Rosacea cream

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:59:41 EST

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In a message dated 4/1/00 12:05:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, mterry@snet.net 

writes:



<< Speaking of which, does anyone know of anything that will help with 

rosacea?



 May

  >>



Hi May -



We are experimenting right now with many different cream formulas.  We did 

one with lemon grass, rose buds, lavender, and chamomile flowers which is 

working wonderfully on reddened skin, and repairs what is underneath.  Very 

soothing and repairing at the same time.  To make it you would get a good 

vitamin E base cream, add a bit of aloe from a leaf.  Then put 7 drops of 

each of the above herbs in tincture form, or infused flower water, to 2 

ounces of the cream base and aloe.  Whip up until completely blended.  Add 

the drops from one vitamin E capsule as a preservative.  Place in dark cream 

jars with label as to prep. date.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH, N.D.

Professional Consultations/Online Classes-Registration thru 4/10/00

Botanical Pharmacy, Burtonsville, Md.

Catalogue thru:  Herbgrow30@aol.com

Specializing in Substance Abuse/Addictions Counseling

                                                ***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Rosacea cream

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 08:36:43 -0500

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Herbgrow30@aol.com wrote:



> << Speaking of which, does anyone know of anything that will help with

> rosacea?

> We are experimenting right now with many different cream formulas.



Thanks, Mary, I'll try this!  I'm sick of using Metrogel, which keeps the

rosacea under control but irritates my skin!



May

--

Those who do not honor me

destroy themselves.

               --The Goddess Shakti



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Rosacea cream

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:13:52 EST

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In a message dated 4/1/00 10:32:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, mterry@snet.net 

writes:



<< Thanks, Mary, I'll try this!  I'm sick of using Metrogel, which keeps the

 rosacea under control but irritates my skin!



 May >>



You're not alone in that May...we've had lots of folks get off of Metrogel 

and Metrogel in combination with other creams too.



In health -

Mary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: Rosacea cream

From: "Heidi" <wildone@durab.com>

Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:45:48 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by heidi <wildone@durab.com> :



I am also using something like metrogel for recently diagnosed rosacea. My

question is to the others who are using it....if its irritating your

skin..in what way?  I feel like my facial skin is more itchy. Anyone with

the same kind of thing?



Peace,

Heidi

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-----Original Message-----

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com [mailto:Herbgrow30@aol.com]

Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 12:14 PM

To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Rosacea cream



Sent to the herblist by herbgrow30@aol.com :



In a message dated 4/1/00 10:32:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, mterry@snet.net

writes:



<< Thanks, Mary, I'll try this!  I'm sick of using Metrogel, which keeps the

 rosacea under control but irritates my skin!

 May >>



You're not alone in that May...we've had lots of folks get off of Metrogel

and Metrogel in combination with other creams too.

In health -

Mary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Lyme disease

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 05:50:34 -0500 (EST)

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Did that woman carry the tick from May 98 to March 99, which would be 10 months?

I believe testing for Lyme disease is error-prone, with much room for false

negatives and false positives.  Is testing by kiniesology (shouldn't that be

kinesiology?) valid or dependable?  Is there anything left of the presumed

bacterium after the 6 weeks of doxycyclin?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Repellent herbs

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 05:50:36 -0500 (EST)

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I remember reading that tansy is sometimes used as an insect repellent, don't

know specifically if it is good for mosquitoes and blackflies, or how or if an

essential oil is extracted.  All plants on that quoted list, from

list_Mint@topica.com, appropriately for the name, belong to family Lamiaceae

(mint family), while tansy belongs to family Asteraceae.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Repellent herbs

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:25:38 -0500

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> I remember reading that tansy is sometimes used as an insect repellent,

don't

> know specifically if it is good for mosquitoes and blackflies, or how or

if an

> essential oil is extracted.  All plants on that quoted list, from

> list_Mint@topica.com, appropriately for the name, belong to family

Lamiaceae

> (mint family), while tansy belongs to family Asteraceae.



==============I've had good success with lemongrass myself, but I wouldn't

put it on a baby.



We've been really lucky over the past few years here, but my daughter and

husband both are prey to biting insects, while they leave me completely

alone. As much as I don't like chemicals, we have resorted, just once, to

spraying the yard. Fortunately, we've only had to do this once in six years.

The birds visit our yard heavily, and I personally think that does as much

for keeping the insect population down as any other thing we could do, aside

from chemicals. It's worth a try...I can't say for certain that the birds

are doing it for us, I just know we don't have near the insect population in

our yard that other folks do. And this still won't completely protect a

baby.



Susan H.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Multiple Sclerosis/Mustard

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 05:50:37 -0500 (EST)

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>                           , the fact that chemists can concentrate

mustard gas from many of the mustard family plants is meaningless as

regards mustard in the diet, mustard oil has long been valued for its

healing properties, 'rape' comes from the word for 'turnip' not the act of

rape, etc.

>



Paul,



Are you sure mustard gas, the deadly nerve gas used by the military, comes from

mustard, the plant?  I don't think mustard, the plant, would contain anything so

deadly.  According to the Random House dictionary, mustard gas, also known as

dichlorodiethyl sulfide, is "so called from its mustard-like effects on eyes and

lungs".



Also mace, police version, is not related to mace, culinary spice.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Multiple Sclerosis/Mustard

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 18:27:42 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:

>Are you sure mustard gas, the deadly nerve gas used by the military, comes from

>mustard, the plant?  I don't think mustard, the plant, would contain anything so

>deadly.  



It does. As do a lot of other Brassicaceae plants. For example, the gas you get

from horse radish, when chopping it up fresh, is mustard gas. Which can be

-extremely- painful. So if you do chop it up in one of those kitchen machines,

don't put your eyes nor your face over the lid to see how far it's gone. And

ventilate.



Cheers

Henriette



--

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

                 -+- Added more to King's Dispensatory -+-

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Is there a "Jewel Weed" for nicotine?

From: thimbleberry@juno.com

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:01:46 -0600

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An article I mentioned here a while ago, titled

"Nicotine Detoxification" at:



http://www.healthy.net/library/books/haas/detox/nicotine.htm



suggests the idea of smoking herbs, including my

favorite, mugwort, as an alternative.



They discuss the whole nicotine addition situation, and 

discuss nutrional programs to overcome it.



Thimbleberry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Broccoli

From: Kevin Chisholm <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 23:58:13 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by kchishol@fox.nstn.ca :



Broccoli is recognized as a very healthy vegetable. Would anyone know if

it has merit for use as a medicinal herb? If so, where would it be

helpful, and how could it be prepared?



Thanks.



Kevin Chisholm



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Lyme Disease

From: terrisegal@delaware.net

Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:37:32 -0400

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>From: "Henriette Alban" <henriettealban@delaware.net>

>To: "Terri Segal" <terrisegal@delaware.net>

>Subject: Lyme Disease

>Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:30:45 -0800

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>To all of you who responded to my mail many thanks. I shall pass the

>information on to my friend and clarify several things. And yes, Kinesiology

>is how it's spelled of course. Thanks for the correction and the balancing

>views too.

>

>H.

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Broccoli (anticancer!)

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:30:24 -0500 (CDT)

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On Sat, 1 Apr 2000, Kevin Chisholm wrote:

> Broccoli... Would anyone know if it has merit for use as a medicinal

> herb? 



Hum, some authors discuss Broccoli, some discuss cruciferous vegetables

and some do not discuss broccoli as an herb at all.  But there is lots of

evidence that brocccoli is medicinal.   



From the Complete Guide to Natural Healing, Tom Monte & the Editors of

Natural Health Magazine, 1997 -



page 76 - 77

Foods to eat for an anti-cancer diet

Cruciferous vegetables including cabbage, kale & broccoli for immune

boosting and anti-cancer effects



page 554 - diet for the liver

Leafy greens, especially broccoli, parsley, collard greens, and dark

lettuce such as romaine.  Not only are these rich in nutrients and fiber,

which help eliminate waste from the liver, but also provide lots of

antioxidants, which are essential to the liver's ability to heal itself  



From page 52 - 54 Complete Book of Natural and Medicinal Cures from the

Editors of Prevention Magazine, Rodale, 1994

All cruciferous vegetables contain glucobrassicin, which helps your body

form indoles which have been shown to prevent breast cancer in the

labaoratory.  Cruciferous vegetables also contain dithiolthiones which

may help protect against various cancer causing chemicals, and benzyl

isothiocyanate which may supress cancer that is already present.

Sulforaphane occurs in broccoli.  Sulforaphane is sustance that  boosts

the activity of phase 2 enzymes that help keep carcinogens from attacking 

DNA and initiating cancer.  



Broccoli is also high in vitamin A which generally is good to keep strong,

grow and repair many tissues in the body, and avoid contracting illnesses.

Broccoli also has good amounts of vitamin C.



Back when I was surviving ovarian cancer, chemo & surgery, broccoli was

also recommended to me to include in my diet  *I think* because 

through broccolis ability to renew glutathione in the liver 

broccoli helps the liver deal with excess estrogen and may reduce

depressiveness that is related to excessive estrogen.  (can't find the

references on this)



Also from a defunct now web site about amino acids and nutrition -



Broccoli is a food source for "cysteine and cystine (which is made up of 2

cysteine molecules) are present mainly in the liver, where they help

absorb and flush out toxic substances.  Cysteine is exteremly effective in

fighting free radicals that may be carcinogenic in nature.  Cysteine forms

another amino acid, glutathione, which is another effective antioxidant

that protects against against toxins such as alcohol and cigarette smoke.

Glutathione, as well as cysteine itself binds with toxic metals such as

lead, mercury and cadmium, and excretes them from the body.  As well, it

binds with metals like iron, enhancing iron absorption.  Cysteine is a

compound of alpha-keratin, the protein that contributes in large part to

the make-up of fingernails and toenails, skin and hair.  Cysteine is

involved in the synthesis of collegen, which forms connective tissue and

maintains its elasticity.  Thus, it aids in wound healing following

surgery.  Cysteine promotes burning fat for fuel and building muscle.

Vitamin B-6 is essential for the production of cysteine."



As you can tell, I include broccoli in my herbal & nutrition studies!



>  where would it be helpful, and how could it be prepared?   



This weekend I made broccoli, rice & cheese casserole, with HOT peppers &

onions, and more medicinal, immune enhancing food, shitake mushrooms



I like broccoli raw dipped in ranch dressing.



I like lightly steamed broccoli flourettes with butter & season salt



Boiled with oriental noodles & onions & peppers



That should keep anyone who is curious about broccoli busy for a while

<grin>



Barbara



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Herbs that help the mouth

From: PaulnDi99@aol.com

Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:47:31 EDT

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Hello,



I have recently been diagnosed with gum disease - quite advanced, but can be 

corrected over a month, hopefully, with careful cleaning.  Does anyone also 

know of any herbs that might be helpful, for example in a mouth wash or to 

mix a tincture into a gel to apply to the gums?  Any suggestions at all would 

be welcome.



Many thanks,

Diana



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs that help the mouth

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 11:09:30 -0400

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Myrrh and  Goldenseal will help your mouth. Get the powdered herbs and

make yourself a tea from it.( the tip oof a knife from each herb,

infused with boiling water , steep for awhile ( 8z.water))Use as a

mouthwash, several times a day..The 'brew' will keep for a few days int

he fridge, but than I make a new one..it has saved my teeth..DO NOT

SWALLOW, and yes, the myrhh makes it taste bitter..C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs that help the mouth

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:34:35 +0300

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Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:

>Myrrh and  Goldenseal will help your mouth. Get the powdered herbs and

>make yourself a tea from it.( the tip oof a knife from each herb,

>infused with boiling water , steep for awhile ( 8z.water))Use as a

>mouthwash, several times a day..The 'brew' will keep for a few days int

>he fridge, but than I make a new one..it has saved my teeth..DO NOT

>SWALLOW, and yes, the myrhh makes it taste bitter..C-M



Don't use goldenseal unless you grow it yourself. It's almost extinct in the

wild. A reasonable substitute for most of the popular uses of goldenseal is

berberis root.



Henriette



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Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs that help the mouth

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:02:03 -0400

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Good point Henriette, I do grow my own goldenseal with friends in my

woods, we re-introduced it and it's taken well..

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs that help the mouth

From: "Jim & Mary Ann" <jhubbell@bridgernet.com>

Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:15:51 -0600

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You might want to read about the herb SPILANTHES. It's easy to grow, has

unique flowers and Horizon Herb's Richo Cech suggests it in one of his

booklets as a use for gum disease. Mary Ann



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs that help the mouth

From: "H.A.C. Le Poole" <lepoole@indi.nl>

Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:32:07 +0200

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I am also very interested in the many features of Spilanthes and think it is

a highly under appreciated herb. I have been growing it for some time and

like it very much as a garden plant as well.  I was aware of Richo Czech's

website and was wondering what experiences other people actually have made

with this herb. Re  its use to improve the gum this was new to me. I only

thought it was used to reduce any tooth ache like cloves.



Rik Le Poole



>

> You might want to read about the herb SPILANTHES. It's easy to grow, has

> unique flowers and Horizon Herb's Richo Cech suggests it in one of his

> booklets as a use for gum disease. Mary Ann



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs that help the mouth

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:35:28 -0400

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On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:47:31 EDT PaulnDi99@aol.com writes:

 I have recently been diagnosed with gum disease-- can be corrected with

careful cleaning. ... any herbs that might be helpful...



You might put some aloe vera gel in a small clean ointment jar with a

squirt of tea tree oil or oil of oregano  and Grapefruit Seed Extract,

GSE, mix together and gently brush teeth and gums,and perhaps use the

rinses mentioned in other posts or buy a small squeeze bottle of

something similar as a tooth and gum preparation in your local healthfood

or "yuppy"store. It is all bitter, and you may want to make a paste of

oil of peppermint and baking soda to brush(gently), rinse and finish off,

or rinse with peppermint tea.

Marcia<ngbard@juno.com>

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs that help the mouth

From: PaulnDi99@aol.com

Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:30:31 EDT

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Many thanks to everyone who offered suggestions for herbs to help with gum 

disease.



Mary Ann - I have never heard of Spilanthes, so will definitely go and do 

some reading.



Henriette and Christa Maria - I have some goldenseal tincture, recently 

purchased from a private health food store which seems very reputable and 

stocks stuff I never see elsewhere.  Would that not be ok to use in a 

mouthwash?



Marcia - is the GSE absolutely necessary?  I ask because I don't have any and 

don't readily know where to get it from (I am in the UK).  I have tea tree 

and oregano essential oils, aloe vera gel and a clean little ointment jar to 

hand.



Thanks for your help.



Best wishes,

Diana

ps - echoing christopher c., I also appreciate the recent threads on smoking. 

 I stopped a couple of months ago, though haven't entirely stopped nicotine 

yet (gum). That will be the next step.  Btw, it was only when I stopped 

smoking that the problem with my gums began to emerge; apparently, it doesn't 

show up easily on smokers (according to the dental hygienist) because of the 

way in which smoking affects the blood vessels.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs that help the mouth

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:51:42 -0400

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Diana,

MYRHH, is the most important ingredient for the gums...Get it powdered.

I have made the mouthwash from tincture, essential oils and herbs. Must

say the fresh brew from dried herbs works the best.

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs that help the mouth

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:14:06 -0400

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... is the GSE absolutely necessary? The Concentrated GSE in a glycerin

base is very powerful and very effective.  If you have grapefruit and you

can put the seeds in a blender in an edible alcohol such as vodka or

whiskey and let sit for a few days in a jar in sun light and then filter

it and then dilute it into a mouthwash ( no sugary substances to give

nutrient to any "culprits"), you might find everything you are doing any

where from slightly more effective to very much more effective.  The 

commercial concentrate is very effective, and my suggestion above would

be somewhat less so. Hopefully you can avoid "mechanical" treatment from

your dental practitioner.  An afterthought, there may be some of the

benefit from orange or lemon seeds treated the same way, but again

probably less, because the benefit is probably from the same biological

resistance that the plant creates for itself in repelling pests, and I

think the grapefruit is the most successful of the citrus fruits. 



... tea tree  and oregano essential oils, aloe vera gel 

This may be entirely adequate and appropriate.   Neem essential oil, very

smelly, may be another useful adjunct or additive, as is thyme. If your

healthfood store has reference books for customer browsing, look up

antiseptics and antibiotics.  Be generous with the aloe vera gel and

stingy with the oils.

 Good luck, good health and good caution,

Marcia<ngbard@juno.com>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs that help the mouth

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:22:49 -0700

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> and I  think the grapefruit is the most successful of the citrus fruits. 



How do you figure? The lemon and the orange are clearly the most

successful rutaceae in the world, economically and in numbers, and neither

requires extensive chemical applications or horticultural attention.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs that help the mouth

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:41:10 -0700

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> Btw, it was only when I stopped 

> smoking that the problem with my gums began to emerge; apparently,

> it doesn't  show up easily on smokers (according to the dental

> hygienist) because of the  way in which smoking affects the blood

vessels.



Which is why there is little reason to look beyond ASCORBATE and Co-Q10 to

treat this kind of deficiency illness.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: stevia

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:21:08 EDT

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I read with interest an article entitled "Effects of chronic administration

of Stevia rebaudiana on fertility in rats" in the Journal of Ethnopharmacology

1999 pgs 157-61. Chronic administration of Stevia resulted in a decrease

in weight of the testis, seminal vesicle and cauda epididymidis. This was

associated with a decrease in testosterone level, indicating an anti-

andogen effect. In addition, there was a decrease in fructose content

( a substrate for use as energy by sperm cells) of the prostate and seminal 

vesicle. According to the protocol, an extract of Stevia corresponding to 

66.7g of dried leaves was given twice a day for 60 days to rats 25-30 

days old.



I use 1g packets of Stevia extract by Now Foods for sweetening coffee 

so I'd like to find out just how much relevance this study has in humans. 

My question is how much in terms of the Stevia for human consumption

is the extract corresponding to 66.7 dried leaves? I have trouble

quantifying the latter.



..or how much Stevia extract would it take for an anti-androgen effect

in humans, assuming 70kg male, based on these study results?



I'm not assuming the study conclusions in rats are applicable to humans 

without documentation ..just looking for some numbers if indeed a

generalization was made hypothetically.



While some may look at this study solely as a reason for potential

caution over Stevia for human consumption, I am curious whether 

Stevia's anti-androgen effect may be of potential use in benign 

prostatic hypertophy. Any thoughts??



I sent these questions to the author of the study and will forward

his response to the list, but I was also seeking responses from

list members as well.



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter Service

Skokie, IL USA

elfreem@aol.com

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stevia

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:14:16 -0700

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> According to the protocol, an extract of Stevia corresponding to 

> 66.7g of dried leaves was given twice a day  [to rats for 60 days]



So that means that eight ounces of stevia leaves was given for 60 days in

rats. This is a poisoning. A lab rat must weigh all of a pound or two. So

this is equivalent to being forced to eat half your weight in stevia

leaves daily for 60 days. 



I would imagine you'd be discomfitted.



> I use 1g packets of Stevia extract by Now Foods for sweetening coffee 

> so I'd like to find out just how much relevance this study has in

humans. 



Equivalent to consuming something like 1/4,500 of your weight daily if you

are an average human male. I would lose any sleep over it.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stevia

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:11:32 EDT

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>  > According to the protocol, an extract of Stevia corresponding to 

>  > 66.7g of dried leaves was given twice a day  [to rats for 60 days]

>  

>  So that means that eight ounces of stevia leaves was given for 60 days in

>  rats. This is a poisoning. A lab rat must weigh all of a pound or two. So

>  this is equivalent to being forced to eat half your weight in stevia

>  leaves daily for 60 days. 

>  

>  I would imagine you'd be discomfitted.

>  

>  > I use 1g packets of Stevia extract by Now Foods for sweetening coffee 

>  > so I'd like to find out just how much relevance this study has in

>  humans. 

>  

>  Equivalent to consuming something like 1/4,500 of your weight daily if you

>  are an average human male. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.



Thanks Paul. Actually, I won't lose sleep at all. What I'm looking for is

a way to quantify the amount of dried leaves in the study (66.7g) with

grams of extract. Do you have any idea how much extract, in terms

of grams, would be obtained from this amount of leaves? ..or do you

know how much dried leaves it takes to make 1g of extract. So far,

I've left messages on two other lists and haven't received any

satisfactory information. I realize they were giving the mice exeptionally

large doses, but I need to quantify the amount given in terms that are

standardized. I'll wait another week and call the manufacturers of

stevia extract (Now) since they're located in a suburb nearby. Thanks

again.



Elliot Freeman



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stevia

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:37:46 -0700

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> Thanks Paul. Actually, I won't lose sleep at all. What I'm looking for is

> a way to quantify the amount of dried leaves in the study (66.7g) with

> grams of extract. Do you have any idea how much extract, in terms

> of grams, would be obtained from this amount of leaves? ..or do you

> know how much dried leaves it takes to make 1g of extract. 



It is a rare extract that is more than 4x  concentrated.



>So far, I've left messages on two other lists and haven't received any

> satisfactory information. I realize they were giving the mice

exeptionally

> large doses, but I need to quantify the amount given in terms that are

> standardized.



Not really. In any case you are dealing with thousands of times more

concentration per body weight of the test animals. Similar to drinking a

bathtub of gin.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: re: stevia

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:42:43 EDT

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There was an error in my previous post involving a study on stevia in 

rats. Each animal was given 2ml twice a day of a solution made from

66.7g of dried leaves.



Does anyone know how much stevioside on average can be extracted 

from 66.7g of dried leaves using an aqueous solution?



Also, how much stevioside is needed on average for sweetening

a cup of coffee ..or tea?



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter Service



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stevia

From: "Judith Thamm" <galingale@chariot.net.au>

Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:05:16 +0930

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Stevia [dried leaf] comes in packets of 50 grams - and it lasts for

ages.  You place about 8 teaspoons in Half a litre of water and boil

it to get a strength where you use 1 teaspoon to sweeten a cup of

drink. [My taste]



2ml for such a huge amount of leaf in how much water? would taste

awful!



> Sent to the herblist by elfreem@aol.com :

>

> There was an error in my previous post involving a study on stevia

in

> rats. Each animal was given 2ml twice a day of a solution made from

> 66.7g of dried leaves.

>

> Does anyone know how much stevioside on average can be extracted

> from 66.7g of dried leaves using an aqueous solution?

>

> Also, how much stevioside is needed on average for sweetening

> a cup of coffee ..or tea?



Strange test!

Judith.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stevia

From: "Judith Thamm" <galingale@chariot.net.au>

Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:45:51 +0930

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Who commissioned this research? - whoever paid the piper should tell

us the tune...



Well the word chronic should have given you a hint - extreme dosage!



If you could stand the sweetness of the 66.7 leaves just once let

alone twice a day...!  3 or 4 crumbled dried leaves in a cup of tea

would be more than enough to sweeten a cup of tea.



As for side effects, the chemical companies are desperate to prove

that natural products are not safe - you do not hear of a decline in

population in Japan [where stevia is approved and widely used] or

Argentina or Brazil, or Paraguay, where it is grown and used heavily

do you?  Those would be the places to seek studies of organs

atrophying.



You can take 1/4 aspirin or 1/2 daily safely to thin the blood, but

what happens if you take 66.7 times that?  This is just a 'let's find

a valid reason' for not permitting stevia to be marketed fully.



> I read with interest an article entitled "Effects of chronic

administration

> of Stevia rebaudiana on fertility in rats" in the Journal of

Ethnopharmacology

> 1999 pgs 157-61. Chronic administration of Stevia resulted in a

decrease

> I use 1g packets of Stevia extract by Now Foods for sweetening

coffee

> so I'd like to find out just how much relevance this study has in

humans.

> My question is how much in terms of the Stevia for human consumption

> is the extract corresponding to 66.7 dried leaves? I have trouble

> quantifying the latter.



> ..or how much Stevia extract would it take for an anti-androgen

effect

> in humans, assuming 70kg male, based on these study results?



Assuming a rat would weigh about 500gms if it was extra large, and the

extract would be about 6gms from the 66.7 leaves - you would have to

consume [2 x 70] 140 x 6 = 840grams for 60 days - and be of a

comparable age to get the same results.



Just a funny question - what else were the rats being fed?  That would

have a bearing on the results too.



This is just scare-mongering.

Judith.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stevia

From: sam sussman <ssussman@julian.uwo.ca>

Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 04:44:46 -0400

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I would not be so quick to dismiss the findings re stevia. 



Regards    dr.sam sussman 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stevia

From: Kevin Chisholm <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:48:03 -0300

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Dear Sam



Judith makes some excellent points, which strongly support the belief

that the original study was flawed and/or incompetently structured or

executed. Perhaps there was indeed merit to the study. 



sam sussman wrote:

> 

> Sent to the herblist by ssussman@julian.uwo.ca :



> I would not be so quick to dismiss the findings re stevia.



Would you please share with us your reasons for feeling the study

findings should not be dismissed?



Thanks very much.



Kevin Chisholm



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: stevia

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:38:53 -0400

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Of course, you know that MotherNature.com has a nice article on Stevia

with a useful bibliography.

Marcia<ngbard@juno.com>

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stevia

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 05:15:40 -0400 (EDT)

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How much dried or fresh original herb corresponds to a given amount of extract

depends on the concentration of the ingredient regarded as active.  The less the

concentration of desired component, the greater the amount of herb needed for a

given amount of extract.



Regarding alleged anti-androgen effect of stevia, some people who have had bad

luck in sexual relations or would rather use their time for better things might

consider anti-androgen effect as a virtue.  Scare tactics might have the

opposite effect in this case.  But sex is big for marketing, with fancy female

models pictured on the covers of magazines not limited to the area of fashion,

and Viagra is a best-seller among pharmaceuticals.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: re: stevia

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:58:41 -0700

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> There was an error in my previous post involving a study on stevia in 

> rats. Each animal was given 2ml twice a day of a solution made from

> 66.7g of dried leaves.



2 ml/2 pounds average rat body weight (assumed); equivalent to 100 x 2 ml

= 200 ml, a fifth of a liter, or roughly a pint of stevia extract a day,

equivalent human dose. Given that stevia is, say, a hundred times sweeter

than sugar, this is a pretty cloying dose of sweetener, to say the least.

Amazing if their little rat pancreases didn't fall off.



To me the most significant issue, and one that Mark Gold for all his study

of the issue ignores, is the nutritional deficiencies engendered by such

an overconsumption of sweet. Assuming a relative similarity of the anatomy

and biochemistry, that would cause a gigantic chromium deficiency in a few

days. Chromium deficiency is probably more mutagenic than stevia intake.



> Does anyone know how much stevioside on average can be extracted 

> from 66.7g of dried leaves using an aqueous solution?



A liter solution using two ounces of stevia is probably quite sweet.



> Also, how much stevioside is needed on average for sweetening

> a cup of coffee ..or tea?



A couple of drops of that concentration, I'd expect. Comparatively, two

drops of extract to your cup of coffee, versus a half pint (if you are

duplicating the rat experience). 



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stevia

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 03:00:09 -0400 (EDT)

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>I use licorice for that. Strengthens the adrenals, helps your lungs, soothes

>your gut, -and- gives almost any tincture a good taste.



So do I (licorice), but I don't like to use licorice with every herbal brew.

Which licorice do you use, European (Glycyrrhiza glabra) or Chinese

(G. uralensis)?  I have been using the Chinese species recently because of

availability at a Chinese grocery store.  It seems the Chinese species is

less sweet.  There is also a rarely seen American species whose Latin name I

can't remember.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stevia

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:00:31 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:

>>I use licorice for that. Strengthens the adrenals, helps your lungs, soothes

>>your gut, -and- gives almost any tincture a good taste.

>

>So do I (licorice), but I don't like to use licorice with every herbal brew.

>Which licorice do you use, European (Glycyrrhiza glabra) or Chinese

>(G. uralensis)?  



European.



>There is also a rarely seen American species whose Latin name I

>can't remember.



Glycyrrhiza lepidota. Wild on sandy / stony shores in southern CO, northern NM,

pretty large root system, if you want to dig it up you need -lots- of sweat.

It's not sweet, and it contains no glycyrrhizic acid (or whatever it was again)

to speak of.



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stevia

From: "Jim & Mary Ann" <jhubbell@bridgernet.com>

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:50:57 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by jim & mary ann <jhubbell@bridgernet.com> :



Mixtures with licorice in it tends to raise my blood pressure. It doesn't

take too much for my body to react so I avoid it as much as possible. Mary

Ann



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stevia

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:50:01 -0700

--------

Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> Mixtures with licorice in it tends to raise my blood pressure. It doesn't

> take too much for my body to react so I avoid it as much as possible.

Mary

> Ann



Which points to yin deficiency.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: broccoli

From: "plantpeople" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:03:56 -0500

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> Broccoli is recognized as a very healthy vegetable. Would anyone know if

> it has merit for use as a medicinal herb? If so, where would it be

> helpful, and how could it be prepared?



In addition to all wonderful info Barb sent u about broccoli's value, would

like to add a few gardener's observations:



Broccoli (buds) grown under hotter and drier conditions is more flavorful

and pungent.  It turns from a mellow vegetable to one with stimulating

properties in the same manner as other cruciferous family members... two

steps below mustard greeens I would say.



Broccoli leaves are even more pungent than the unopened flower buds.  Usd in

soups, they  are a great way to stretch your broccoli harvest.



Broccoli flowers are surprisingly sweet for a mustard flower, those who get

digestive upset from cabbage family can often tolerate broccoli flowers, and

well opened buds.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: eye surgery --  preparation/recovery

From: chinnock <chinnock@uclink4.berkeley.edu>

Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:41:01 -0700

--------

Sent to the herblist by christopher chinnock <chinnock@uclink4.berkeley.edu> :



hello all,



I would appreciate ideas on preparing for and recovering from lasik eye 

surgery, which is where they re-shape the cornea of your eye with a 

laser.  I understand that the eyes are (understandably) very sensitive 

after the procedure, esp. to light.  I am already mildly sensitive to light.



I have been drinking eyebright, and have been juicing carrots.  Any other 

suggestions on herbs?



with thanks,

christopher c.

ps I appreciate the threads lately on smoking



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: herbs for rheumatism

From: "Kirsten" <kirsten@brokenarrow.fsnet.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:51:19 +0100

--------

Sent to the herblist by Kirsten Latimer <Kirsten@brokenarrow.fsnet.co.uk> :



Hello,

I am a relative but keen newcomer to herbs and their uses and wish to try

to help a good friend who is suffering from early rheumatism (brought on by

trauma).  I have read that the following herbs can be useful if taken long

term in tea form - bogbean, black cohosh, celery seed and yarrow.  As this

is a long term treatment can the herbs be easily taken in tincture form

rather

than tea form ?  Can I make them into one tincture ?  Also, this friend also

complains about general stiffness of joints all over when he wakes up

(trauma was only to the knees) as well as a general lack of energy.

Otherwise

a healthy and fit young man who eats well and doesn't drink much or smoke.

Any advice much appreciated.



Kirsten



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: herbs for rheumatism

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:42:01 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



If the herbs are the proper ones for his individual condition and

constitution and if the most useful constituents in them are extactable

in alcohol as well as in water, then you can use tinctures and combine

them, increasing the dose accordingly.  If the minerals in the herbs are

an issue, they will not extract into alcohol- tinctures have almost no

minerals.



Rheumatism or arthritis can be somewhat of a catch-all name for various

conditions and apply differently to different people.  



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

We walk in the footsteps of those who came before us, leaving paths for

others to follow...



>I ... wish to try

>to help a good friend who is suffering from early rheumatism (brought on

by

>trauma).  I have read that the following herbs can be useful if taken

long

>term in tea form - bogbean, black cohosh, celery seed and yarrow.  As

this

>is a long term treatment can the herbs be easily taken in tincture form

>rather than tea form ?  Can I make them into one tincture ? 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: herbs for rheumatism

From: June Harrison <psy333che@home.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:20:49 -0400

--------

Sent to the herblist by psy333che@home.com :



Karen what would you suggest for someone who has been diagnosed with

ankylosing spondylitus?



Karen S Vaughan wrote:



> Rheumatism or arthritis can be somewhat of a catch-all name for various

> conditions and apply differently to different people.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: herbs for rheumatism

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:10:53 -0700

--------

Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> Hello,

> I am a relative but keen newcomer to herbs and their uses and wish to try

> to help a good friend who is suffering from early rheumatism (brought on

by

> trauma). ...Also, this friend also

> complains about general stiffness of joints all over when he wakes up

> (trauma was only to the knees) as well as a general lack of energy.

> Otherwise a healthy and fit young man who eats well and doesn't drink

much or smoke.

> Any advice much appreciated.



Trauma followed by morning stiffness and general feeling of lassitude can

be treated by homeopathic arnica montana 30 for a week or two, followed by

rhus tox 30 if needed.



From a Chinese standpoint, trauma causes stuck blood, and stuck blood

causes stiffness and pain. And when the blood is stuck, the qi cannot

flow. A good therapy would be danggui (Angelica sinensis) in tincture

form, or with other bruise medicine herbs (such as Panax notoginseng, san

qi, raw).



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: herbs for rheumatism

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:58:56 -0700

--------

Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> Karen what would you suggest for someone who has been diagnosed with

> ankylosing spondylitus?

> 

> Karen S Vaughan wrote:

>  

> > Rheumatism or arthritis can be somewhat of a catch-all name for various

> > conditions and apply differently to different people.



The aforementioned Zheng Gu Shui is just about made for this condition.

Strong blood nourishing and blood moving herbs (especially

topically-applied, like the Zheng Gu Shui [literally, 'Normalize Bone

Liniment']) are the usual therapy, along with essence boosters like deer

antler (the fastest growing bone in nature), or the gecko lizard if the

person is very depleted. I would also suggest eating lots of eggs in

whatever form. And turmeric. Smear the spinal area with sandlewood daily

if dryness is not a major issue, especially at the ends of the spine (neck

and coccyx). Vigorous mustard oil massage is also indicated. Essential

Fatty Acid supplements, miso soup, and possibly probiotics would be

helpful if digestion is poor. The person may chose to moderate sexuality,

and sedative herbs like kava or skullcap may be helpful. Mints are good as

well.



There are two other classic 'bone defect' supplements used in Chinese

healing: something Lynda asked about awhile back, the black-legged

chicken, and a lovely herb named drynaria.



There is thought that such conditions derive from a 'wind' condition, due

to blood and essence deficiency. so possible depleting habits now or in

the past should be sought, and  an assessment of 'heatedness' should be

made. No stimulants of any kind should be taken, including intense doses

of sugar. No fruit should be consumed, and seaweed should be added to the

diet. 



If the person is experiencing heat flushes or dryness, then a routine of

yin/essence nourishment will help to stablize the condition and ultimately

heal it significantly (if not cure, since homeopathy is normally needed to

remove inherited illness patterns).



There is also a patent remedy specifically for bone deformation (the box

says ankle deformation and bone spurs). I can't get to my study to get the

name at this hour, but it would probably be easy to find in any Chinatown.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: herbs for rheumatism

From: June Harrison <psy333che@home.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:27:46 -0400

--------

Sent to the herblist by psy333che@home.com :



Thanks Paul and Karen for the information.

Im wondering what would be good blood moving herbs?



The aforementioned Zheng Gu Shui is just about made for this condition.

Strong blood nourishing and blood moving herbs



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: herbs for rheumatism

From: June Harrison <psy333che@home.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:19:23 -0400

--------

Sent to the herblist by psy333che@home.com :



"Strong blood nourishing and blood moving herbs (especially

topically applied, like the Zheng Gu Shui"

What would some of these herbs be besides Zheng Gu Shui ?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: herbs for rheumatism

From: Kevin Chisholm <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:24:54 -0300

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Sent to the herblist by kchishol@fox.nstn.ca :



Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference between rheumatism and

arthritis? 

        Causes?

        Nature, location and extent of diagnostic symptoms?



Thanks.



Kevin Chisholm



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Discoloration of the Tongue

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:14:09 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



>The question about discoloration of the tongue reminded me once again

>how fascinated I am with the tongue .... and was wondering if anyone

>knows if there is a "proper name" for the study of the tongue. I would

>also be very interested in suggestions for books or anywhere I might

>find more information relating to disease/conditions and how it shows

>itself on the tongue.  



In Chinese medicine, we just call it "tongue diagnosis".  It is only

_one_ of the various methods of looking at the health of an individual

and should be combined with a variety of other examinations- taking a

history, pulse diagnosis, palapation, looking, smelling, listening to the

voice, etc.  Because it changes more slowly than a pulse, it is a good

indication of the constitution of a patient, the  history of a disease

and the qi of the pathogen.  It should not be used dogmatically, as if

the entire story were in the tongue alone (as irridologists are often

wont to do with the eyes).  Sometimes the tongue fur is brown because of

coffee or yellow from smoking (or turquoise blue from kid's candy!). 

Sometimes the tongue doesn't match other diagnostic indications- and you

need to find out why.



Deng's book _Practical Diagnosis_ is an excellent look at various

inspections a practicioner should make.  Giovanni Maccioccia's _Tongue

Diagnosis_ is comprehensive and probably has more color plates of tongues

than you ever want to see unless you are a practicioner.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

We walk in the footsteps of those who came before us, leaving paths for

others to follow...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Discoloration of the Tongue

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:35:26 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> In Chinese medicine, we just call it "tongue diagnosis".  It is only

> _one_ of the various methods of looking at the health of an individual

> and should be combined with a variety of other examinations- taking a

> history, pulse diagnosis, 



Pulse diagnosis was rarely the practice of herbalists. Tongue diagnosis is

important because it speaks directly to the health of the digestive

system, which is how herbs are taken into the body for the most part.

History taking, by itself, is the primary method of Chinese herbalism,

because it is the matching of pathogenetic concepts with symptomology over

time.



>palapation, looking, smelling, listening to the voice, etc.  



These physical examinations are of a lower order. Palpation is

acupuncturist technology for the most part, not much practiced by

herbalists traditionally. Looking, smelling, listening--these are useful

adjuncts FOR CONSTITUTIONAL ANALYSIS, along with examining the hands, the

nails, the overall shape of the body, the actions and attitudes expressed,

etc. But for acute therapy and symptom relief, these methods are far less

important than history.



Sinus surgery with a resulting brown coat on the tongue? That's a sign of

post-operative bleeding, regardless of the shape of the fingernails or the

pulse. It is also not very uncommon, especially in cases where the surgery

was attempting to resolve blockage actually caused by HEAT. The tissues

scraped, the pathogenic factor which lies deep to those tissues is not

abated, so there is continued irritation, and the heat forces out

quantities of blood that wouldn't be seen in cases of cold blockage. This

is the flaw in surgical means of symptom abatement, similar to the limited

curative value of suppression with drugs.



It is unnecessary to have more than a glimpse of such patterns to 'see'

what they most likely are. 



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Discoloation of the tongue?

From: Aileen Alexander-Harding <grnhart@home.com>

Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:11:07 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by grnhart@home.com :



The question about discoloration of the tongue reminded me once again

how fascinated I am with the tongue .... and was wondering if anyone

knows if there is a "proper name" for the study of the tongue. I would

also be very interested in suggestions for books or anywhere I might

find more information relating to disease/conditions and how it shows

itself on the tongue.  

Thanks you.

Aileen



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 03:11:39 -0400 (EDT)

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Sent to the herblist by tmueller@bluegrass.net :



An extract of Stevia corresponding to

66.7g of dried leaves given twice a day for 60 days to rats 25-30

days old, as you quote, looks like an awful lot for such small mammals as

lab rats, despite being an extract rather than full herb.  That would be

133.4g/day for 60 days.  Since 4 oz = 113.4g, that would be a little less than

5 oz/day.  All I know about stevia is that it is a strong low-calorie sweetener,

so the dose you quote looks overpowering.



Food or calorie needs in larger animals tend to be much less than predicted,

compared to smaller animals, if one figures proportional to body mass.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 05:14:02 -0400 (EDT)

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Sent to the herblist by tmueller@bluegrass.net :



One more question regarding stevia is possible use in a mixed herbal brew to

improve the taste, to hide some of the bitterness of cramp bark, valerian, etc.

What effect might this have on the benefits of the other (non-stevia) herbs?

Many of the Rosemary Gladstar formula herbal mixes, listed in 1996-97 Frontier

catalog (not really current) have stevia as a last or next-to-last ingredient.

Of course these Rosemary Gladstar formulas are not the be-all and end-all.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:32:32 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:

>One more question regarding stevia is possible use in a mixed herbal brew to

>improve the taste, to hide some of the bitterness of cramp bark, valerian, etc.

>What effect might this have on the benefits of the other (non-stevia) herbs?



I use licorice for that. Strengthens the adrenals, helps your lungs, soothes

your gut, -and- gives almost any tincture a good taste.



Henriette

-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: eye surgery, preparation and recovery 

From: chinnock <chinnock@uclink4.berkeley.edu>

Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:45:39 -0700

--------

Sent to the herblist by christopher chinnock <chinnock@uclink4.berkeley.edu> :



>hello,





I wrote yesterday asking for input on herbs in preparation and recovery 

from Lasik eye surgery.

I am leaving town tomorrow and will not have access to this list for a 

while, so would like to get info before then.

Am not sure if my message went through.  Repeating question below:



I would appreciate ideas on preparing for and recovering from lasik eye 

surgery, which is where they re-shape the cornea of your eye with a 

laser.  I understand that the eyes are (understandably) very sensitive 

after the procedure, esp. to light.  I am already mildly sensitive to light.



I have been drinking eyebright, and have been juicing carrots.  Any other 

suggestions on herbs?

Have also been advised Ginkgo and Bilberry?



Thanks and Salutations

Christopher C



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: eye surgery, preparation and recovery 

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:09:31 -0700

--------

Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> I would appreciate ideas on preparing for and recovering from lasik eye 

> surgery, which is where they re-shape the cornea of your eye with a 

> laser.  I understand that the eyes are (understandably) very sensitive 

> after the procedure, esp. to light.  I am already mildly sensitive to

light.



Turmeric, pineapple enzyme (bromelain), ascorbate, aconite homeopathic

(200 or above), and a waxing moon should do it.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: eye surgery, preparation and recovery

From: Kevin Chisholm <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:00:38 -0300

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Sent to the herblist by kchishol@fox.nstn.ca :



Dear Paul



1: How would you suggest that the recommended herbs be prepared, and

administered?



2: Assuming correct preparation and administration of the recommended

herbs, how important is the phase of the moon? For example,

approximately how much longer would the recovery take, if the operation

was performed in the wrong Phase of the Moon?



Thank you very much.



Kevin Chisholm



Paul Iannone wrote:



> Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> > I would appreciate ideas on preparing for and recovering from lasik

eye

> > surgery, which is where they re-shape the cornea of your eye with a

> > laser.  I understand that the eyes are (understandably) very

sensitive

> > after the procedure, esp. to light.  I am already mildly sensitive

to

> light.



> Turmeric, pineapple enzyme (bromelain), ascorbate, aconite

homeopathic

> (200 or above), and a waxing moon should do it.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: eye surgery, preparation and recovery 

From: "Judith Thamm" <galingale@chariot.net.au>

Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:09:42 +0930

--------

Sent to the herblist by Judith Thamm <galingale@chariot.net.au> :



>

> I wrote yesterday asking for input on herbs in preparation and

recovery

> from Lasik eye surgery.

Take Pau d'Arco - the best herb fro help in recovery from any surgery.

Judith.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: eye surgery, preparation and recovery

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:18:39 -0700

--------

Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> Dear Paul

> 

> 1: How would you suggest that the recommended herbs be prepared, and

> administered?



Turmeric can be taken as capsules. Bromelain is purchased in tablets or

capsules. Ascorbate is vitamin C reacted to minerals, available in various

brands. Homeopathis aconite was a mistake...I meant arnica.



> 2: Assuming correct preparation and administration of the recommended

> herbs, how important is the phase of the moon? 



The general idea is that surgery should occur during the darker phase of

the moon, as the thought is that bleeding will be reduced, especially in

the waning half of that half of the moon cycle (1 week).



For the elderly, on the other hand, it might be appropriate to have the

surgery just after full moon, since perhaps the vitality is higher then. I

only mention these lunation ideas for your edification...I'm still unsure

of the actual corelations myself.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: thyroid

From: mh <drductape@texoma.net>

Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:15:56 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by the doctor <drductape@texoma.net> :



Are there herbs that can be used as an alternative to synthroid for an

under active thyroid?

Thanks

Mary in Texas



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: R Sinus surgery

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:27:06 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by cmaria@triton.net :



I had that surgery as a 12 year old in GErmany. A new drainage channel

was located to insure contineous drainage, they went in above my teeth

and through the nose.Sure they thought it would help, but to me it has

been a nuisance for I have sudden drainage that I can not control and

start to choke and sputter , especially when encountering sudden climate

changes or beeing in stuffy rooms. Also have to be located just 'so' in

a Dentist chair or I will choke..No fun.

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Artisima

From: Jennifer Ruby <ruby@industryinet.com>

Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:07:25 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by ruby@industryinet.com :



Hello!



I have a couple Artisima plants that grew, and grew, and take over one

corner of my garden.  I am wondering how to harvest (trim) and process

this into an herbal tincture, or if I should dry it and put it in Gel

Caps. Can you tell me  how to do it?  Will my trim help or hurt the

plant? How much is too much?



Thanks in advance,

Health, Hope, Joy & Healing :

 May you Prosper, even as your Soul Prospers



Jennifer



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Artisima

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:48:45 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by cmaria@triton.net :



Jennifer,

WHAT KIND of Artemesia? You would want to know before you use it

medicinally...

Trimming and pruning should not hurt this plant.

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Botanical Medicine

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:19:44 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by elfreem@aol.com :



If anyone has obtained the book Botanical Medicine by Eskinazi, would

you consider reviewing it for the list? Associate editors Mark Blumenthal

and Norman Farnsworth might make this book a cut above some other 

reference-type texts, but I'd like to hear more from those who have it

before shelling out $69.



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter Service

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: spirulina platensis

From: Janice McColl <jmccoll@BIORIGINAL.com>

Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:16:28 -0600 

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Does anyone have a good review of the biological/physiological activity of

spirulina platensis?



Regards,



Janice



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Fleabane Herbal Use?

From: Kevin Chisholm <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:27:14 -0300

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Would anyone know if there is a medicinal use for "Fleabane?" (Also

known as "horseweed." Latin name is  Erigeron canadensis



http://www.weeds.ppws.vt.edu/horseweed.htm



Thanks.



Kevin Chisholm



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Fleabane Herbal Use?

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:04:06 -0400

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According to Maud Grieve:



Fleabane, Canadian



Botanical: Erigeron Canadense (LINN.)

Family: N.O. Compositae



    History

    Description

    Part Used

    Constituents

    Medicinal Action and Uses



---Synonyms---Fleawort. Coltstail. Prideweed.

---Parts Used---Herb, seeds.

---Habitat---This species of Fleabane is an American annual, common in

Northern and Middle

States as well as in Canada, growing in fields and meadows and by

roadsides, and closely

allied to the Common Fleabane.



---History---It was introduced into Europe in the seventeenth century.

Parkinson, in his

Theatrum Botanicum (1640), mentions it as having been brought to Europe,

but describes it as

an American species, not yet growing in England. In 1653 we hear of it

growing in the Botanic

Gardens of Paris, and soon after it had become a weed about Paris. We

first hear of it in

England in 1669, and since its introduction it has often been found in

the neighbourhood of

London and in the Thames Valley, where it appears to have naturalized

itself here and there,

though it is very rare in the rest of England. Green (Universal Herbal,

1832) stated that it was

to be found on cultivated ground in Glamorganshire and also on rubbish

heaps.



The name Erigeron denotes 'soon becoming old,' and is most appropriate,

for in many of the

species the plant, even when in flower, has a worn-out appearance,

giving the idea of a weed

which has passed its prime.



Parkinson says Fleabane 'bound to the forehead is a great helpe to cure

one of the frensie.'



Culpepper says 'Flea-wort' (Fleabane) obtained its name 'because the

seeds are so like Fleas'!



---Description---It has an unbranched stem, with lance-shaped leaves,

the lower ones with short

stalks and with five teeth, the upper ones with uncut edges and

narrower, 1 to 2 inches long. The

stem is bristly and grows several feet high, bearing composite heads of

flowers, small, white

and very numerous, blossoming from June to September.



---Part Used---The whole herb is gathered when in bloom and dried in

bunches. The seeds are

also used.



---Constituents---The herb contains a bitter extractive, tannic and

gallic acids and a volatile

oil, to which its virtues are due



---Medicinal Action and Uses---Astringent, diuretic, tonic. It is

considered useful in gravel,

diabetes, dropsy and many kidney diseases, and is employed in diarrhoea

and dysentery.



Oil of Erigeron resembles in its action Oil of Turpentine, but is less

irritating. It has been used

to arrest haemorrhage from the lungs or alimentary tract, but this

property is not assigned to it in

modern medicine.



It is said to be a valuable remedy for inflamed tonsils and ulceration

and inflammation of the

throat generally.



The drug has a feeble odour and an astringent, aromatic and bitter

taste. It is given in infusion

(dose, wineglassful to a teacupful), oil (dose, 2 to 5 drops) on sugar.

Fluid extract, 1/2 to 1

drachm.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Fleabane Herbal Use?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 08:15:25 +0300

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Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:

>According to Maud Grieve:



It's better to just post the URL. And far better to post if you've used it

yourself.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Fleabane Herbal Use?

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 09:38:59 -0400

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Am sorry about that, Henriette, did not know that the server would

respond to it like that..she wanted chemical information, that's were it

is at the Duke site..you are right, next time it will be addresses..

I've got acres full of fleabane, but never used it myself, will have to

learn more about it in it's application, since it's so plentiful up

here.

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Fleabane Herbal Use?

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 09:54:05 -0700

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>Sent to the herblist by kchishol@fox.nstn.ca :

>

>Would anyone know if there is a medicinal use for "Fleabane?" (Also

>known as "horseweed." Latin name is  Erigeron canadensis

>

>http://www.weeds.ppws.vt.edu/horseweed.htm

>

>Thanks.

>

>Kevin Chisholm

>

>---

in addition to the Grieve info,

 have seen it used crushed fresh leaf topically on mosquito bites,

as a tincture for bleeding- uterine and lower intestines, hemorrhoids

also fresh leaf chewed to stop hay fever symptoms

M. Moore has some info on its use

sharon in tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: How to make extract of Aloe with and without alcohol

From: "Nadeem A. Chandna" <chandna@digicom.net.pk>

Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 01:38:55 +0500

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Hi,

Can someone please tell me how to make tincture or extract of Aloe, with

and without alcohol, or some books or site where the info can be found.

Thanks



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: How to make extract of Aloe with and without alcohol

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:56:16 -0400

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It depends what you want the aloe for.  The mucilagenous aspect of aloe

vera is not really something that will come through a tincture- a

stabilized aloe vera gel works better.  



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

We walk in the footsteps of those who came before us, leaving paths for

others to follow...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: How to make extract of Aloe with and without alcohol

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:11:19 +0300

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Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:

>It depends what you want the aloe for.  The mucilagenous aspect of aloe

>vera is not really something that will come through a tincture- a

>stabilized aloe vera gel works better.  



I agree, it's not a tincture plant. How-to for both is online, in King's:

http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/eclectic/kings/aloe.html - that's the aloe entry,

but it links to aloe decoction, extract, tincture...



If you just want to preserve aloe it's best to freeze the fresh leaves.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: How to make extract of Aloe with and without alcohol

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 22:46:45 -0400

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Henriette Kress wrote:I agree, it's not a tincture plant. How-to for both is online,

in King's:



> http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/eclectic/kings/aloe.html - that's the aloe entry,

> but it links to aloe decoction, extract, tincture...

>

> If you just want to preserve aloe it's best to freeze the fresh leaves.



I'm a little puzzled by the information provided in these links.  My understanding

was that the gel inside the leaves, and the juice extracted from the leaves, are two

very different things, the juice being used primarily as a cathartic and the gel for

its skin-healing properties.  Can anyone comment on this?



Thanks,

May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: How to make extract of Aloe with and without alcohol

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 05:33:40 -0400

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There are different types of aloe as well, one of which is more cathartic

than aloe vera.  The juice and the gel of the same plant should be the

same, but the juice may be more processed so that the mucilage is broken

down.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

We walk in the footsteps of those who came before us, leaving paths for

others to follow...



>I'm a little puzzled by the information provided in these links.  My

understanding

>was that the gel inside the leaves, and the juice extracted from the

leaves, are >two very different things, the juice being used primarily as

a cathartic 

>and the gel for its skin-healing properties.  Can anyone comment on

this?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: How to make extract of Aloe with and without alcohol

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:37:25 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



May Terry <mterry@snet.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>Henriette Kress wrote:I agree, it's not a tincture plant. How-to for both is online,

>in King's:

>> http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/eclectic/kings/aloe.html - that's the aloe entry,

>> but it links to aloe decoction, extract, tincture...

>> If you just want to preserve aloe it's best to freeze the fresh leaves.

>

>I'm a little puzzled by the information provided in these links.  My understanding

>was that the gel inside the leaves, and the juice extracted from the leaves, are two

>very different things, the juice being used primarily as a cathartic and the gel for

>its skin-healing properties.  Can anyone comment on this?



The gel -is- the juice, if the seller is any good. It's good both for your skin

and for your mucosa - it might be slightly cathartic though.



The dried juice is very cathartic. Sellers who dry gel, rehydrate that, and sell

the result as "juice" are hustlers who don't have any clue about Aloe. The gel

loses lots on drying.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: insect repellent

From: "Brenda Wyatt" <bjwyatt@glasscity.net>

Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:48:46 -0400

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Listers--



I make a very effective repellent oil from Juliette Bairacli-Levy's recipe

in Traveler's Joy. I uses bitter herbs and a double or triple infusion

method. The biters avoid it, and it's kind to human nose and skin. I will

find and post the recipe--the book I need seems always to be elsewhere--



Brenda Wyatt

WomynWyse Herbs & Botanicals

Toledo, OH



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: re: insect repellent herbs

From: "Brenda Wyatt" <bjwyatt@glasscity.net>

Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:53:10 -0400

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I make a repellent oil from Juliette Bairacli-Levy's book--Traveler's

Joy --using bitter herbs, and a double or triple infusion method--I'll look

it up and get back to the list--the book I need is always elsewhere--this is

wonderful against the feeders and kind to human nose and skin



Brenda Wyatt

WomynWyse Herbs & Botanicals

Toledo,OH



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re:Stevia - more

From: "Judith Thamm" <galingale@chariot.net.au>

Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 09:57:28 +0930

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I sent the data and query to a friend who is a reasearcher himself,

and asked for his comments - which follow:



Feel free to forward this email:



This study is of no relevance to human health simply because:



1.  Rats may metabolize stevia differently than humans. There

    is no evidence that human produce "steviol" from the metabolism

    of stevia.



2.  Stevia has been used for hundreds of years by millions of people

    and some populations have used large amounts (e.g., > 10 cups of

    stevia-sweetened beverage per day). No adverse effects

    have been seen on male or female fertility in humans. (Or any

    other adverse effects from chronic use, for that matter.)



3.  Huge amounts of stevia were used in this rat study.



Because surveys have not shown adverse effects on fertility in humans

and

because rats may metabolize stevia differently than humans,

knowledgable

researchers do not automatically extrapolate such a study to humans.

The

study was conduct in Brazil, I believe. Stevia is, not surprisingly,

widely available in Brazil, other parts of South America and Asia

simply

because such a rat study would not be used as a reason to take stevia

off

the market.



As more and more information has come out related to aspartame

toxicity,

including significant formaldehyde exposure & accumulation and adverse

effects seen in case histories and human research, it appears that

other

information about stevia has been "leaked" to try and effect market

share.

I have even seen one claim that stevia is mutagenic (causes

mutations).

The truth is that only *one* of many in vitro tests showed that

*steviol*

is mutagenic. However, 1) the same type of test found ~7% of natural

and

synthetic additives mutagenic and 2) no tumor formation was reported

in

rats in long-term chronic exposure studies.



Sometimes abstracts and news reports (especially) do not provide key

information. Some news reports quote scientists who are not

particularly

familiar with the research that has been conducted or the history of

use

of the substance.



>I use 1g packets of Stevia extract by Now Foods for sweetening coffee

>so I'd like to find out just how much relevance this study has in

>humans.



Most packets of stevia are mixed with dextrose or FOS and only contain

a

small percentage of stevia.  I am not familiar with the Now Foods

product.

You would probably have to use 100's or thousands of packets to be

equivalent to the above-mentioned study and even then it would likely

only

be relevent if you were a rat.



>Also, how much stevioside is needed on average for sweetening

>a cup of coffee ..or tea?"



2-4 dried leaves or a couple of drops of liquid stevia extract.  I

don't

know about the packets, though.



- Mark Gold

  mgold@tiac.net



  Healthier Sweetener Resource Center

  http://www.holisticmed.com/sweet/



  Aspartame (NutraSweet) Toxicity Information Center

  http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/



  More info re stevia:

  http://www.stevia.net/



Regards,

Judith.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Fleabane herbal use

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 05:29:08 -0400 (EDT)

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I looked in John Lust's Herb Book and found fleabane listed as horseweed.  Latin

name matches (Erigeron canadensis).  Properties given are "astringent, diuretic,

styptic", "particularly suitable for diarrhea, dysentery, internal hemorrhage,

and hemorrhoids".  I believe I have eaten some fleabane, picked before full

flowering stage, cooked with other vegetables and edible weeds, but have no

personal medicinal experience with this herb.  I don't see this herb offered for

sale by any herb dealers, so the only way to get it might be to harvest it

yourself.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: oil infusions

From: october moon <oct-moon@juno.com>

Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:10:21 -0400

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I have a question:

I am making infused oils for a salve.

Right now the chickweed is infusing.  Later on I will infuse comfrey leaf

and plantain, to combine with the chickweed...

May I use the same (infused with chickweed) oil to extract the comfrey &

plantain??

I am thinking it could make a stronger salve.

Blessings, Nell



You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm ~Colette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: oil infusions

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:41:04 -0400

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Yes, you can use the same oil for additional infusions, but make sure

that anything with volatile oils is done last.  Or alternatively, infuse

your herbs together in the oil.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: kidney stones

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 11:23:26 -0700

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> As soon as my husband feels the pain of kidney stones I make tea of

Koemis

> Koetjing (as far as I know this is the botanical name as well)

> He drinks a glass of this tea about tree times a day.  It is very

important

> to drink a lot, but if this is impossible this herb comes in capsules

too.

> Koemis Koetjing grows in South East Asia.  Is is a bushy plant about 60

cm

> high.

> Margot



I looked into this a bit:



A Dutch email from the web listed the genus name: Koemis Koetjing

(Orthosiphonis off. Herba).  



From Perry, Medicinal Plants of East and Southeast Asia: "[also O.

grandiflorus, O. stamineus] From Taiwan south to Palau, an infusion or tea

of the leaves from wild or cultivated plants of Orthosiphon aristatus is

used as a diuretic." Most of the research listed has Dutch names attached,

mostly from Burma and thereabouts. It is from the Labiatae (mints).



Armed with the genus name, Hsu, Oriental Materia Medica (always a marvel

of inclusion), covers it on page 297. Paraphrasing:



Mao xu cao is not recorded in any Chinese herbals. It is recorded in Dutch

pharmacopeias and called kumis kuching in Indonesia where it originates.

It is called 'Cat's Whiskers' herb in Chinese because the pistil of the

plant is very long. It is used to dissolve kidney stones and that is why

it is also called Hua shi cao [transform stones herb]. It has potassium

salts which promote diuresis [among other relevant ingredients such as

glycosides, sitosterol, and saponins].



This from the web:



ESCOP believes that the work of its Scientific Committee represents

European harmonisation at its best and presents these monographs as an

example of what can be achieved by co-operation among European scientists.



ESCOP Status List (updated: March 21st 1996) [European Scientific

Cooperative on Phytotherapy]



20 Published monographs - March 15th 1996  ...Orthosiphonis folium...



--



Hope that helps any like me who wish to know at least the family of any

plant mentioned here.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: promised insect repellent recipe

From: "Brenda Wyatt" <bjwyatt@glasscity.net>

Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:27:04 -0400

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as promised, directly quoted from the text *citation follows*:



Juliette de Bairacli Levi's Insect Repellent Oil



Use fresh or dried herbs :

Wormwood, two handfuls

Rue, one handful

Rosemary, one half handful



Cut the herbs fine with scissors, then pound the herbs to near powder form.

When the herbs are fine enough, pour into a wide-necked one-quart glass jar.

Fill the jar almost to the top with a thin oil, such as sunflower or corn.

Finally, add on tablespoon of natural vinegar.



Close the jar tightly and place in sunlight for sun infusion. Preferably,

the jar should stand on a substance which heats, such as stone or quite

deeply in sand. Never strain the oil; the herbs in the jar will sink to the

bottom, and when the oil is ready for use, the clear oil can be poured off

from the herb residue. During the sun infusion, the jar should be shaken

well morning and night so that the oil soaks completely into the herbs.

When, after testing the taste, the properties of the herbs are fully infused

into the oil, the clear upper oil can be poured off into smaller bottles.

Maturity usually takes about one month in temperate climates; in hot

climates where the oil heats up very strongly, less time is required.



If hot sunlight is not available for infusion, then fire heat must be used,

and the oil can then be made in smaller quantities, heated in covered (to

prevent evaporation of the essential oils), but not tightly covered, cans.

Stand the cans in a large pan of boiling water placed on a low flame, and

heat slowly for approximately an hour. After removing the pan from the

flame, keep the cans in the hot water. Shake the contents of the cans well

following the heating. Repeat the process daily for one week, by which time

the oil should be ready for bottling.



The test for readiness of the repellent is its bitterness: this should be

intense. To make a double or triple strength oil against the very vicious

types of mosquitoes and other biting pests, the strained oil should be

reinfused by adding more of the finely cut herbs, and a new infusing of the

herbs made two or three times. When the oil is ready, add one half teaspoon

of spirit of oil of eucalyptus and one teaspoon of a heavy oil, almond.



Apply by first shaking the bottle, then moistening a piece of cotton wool,

then pouring oil onto this, and using the cotton to apply the oil.

Only one of the many wonderfully useful recipes in Traveler's Joy, by

Juliette de Bairacli Levy, 1979, 1994, Keats Publishing



I did the quick, double-infusion method, and used dried herbs, which worked

very well in mid to late summer in Ohio and Michigan against normally

voracious mosquitoes and flies. I carried pre-moistened and pre-oiled cotton

pads in Ziploc bags for convenience on short trips.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Chronic stiff neck, was Re: comfrey

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:27:17 -0700

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> =================I have an old neck injury that I use castor oil packs on

> regularly. If I don't, I get really stiff, and end up with bad headaches.

> I'm wondering if comfrey might help? Since it's an old, established

injury,

> I don't expect to cure it (whiplash over 30 years old). But I don't mind

> trying new things. Can the alkoids be absored through the skin in large

> enough amounts to cause liver damage?

> 

> Susan H.



Stiff neck (as a chronic condition) has several causes which should be

assessed (it probably has other causes in addition to an old injury, most

specifically things like coffee drinking). 



But ARNICA, taken as a high-potency homeopathic (200 C or 1M if you can

get it), has the potential to remove even ancient conditions due to

trauma. I've seen it several times in my own clinical experience.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Chronic stiff neck, was Re: comfrey

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:40:54 -0400

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Paul, thanks for mentioning the Arnica, I've never tried if for my neck

because I generally think in terms of new injuries for Arnica. It's worth a

try. The castor oil does help, but I must use a lot of it on a regular basis

and it can be a nuisance -- but whatever works ya know. I'll try the arnica.

I don't drink coffee.



Some serious physical therapy helped many years ago, but I'm not really up

to that now -- too expensive and no insurance. :( What they did before would

probably cost thousands of dollars out of pocket now, and he he... I'll just

live with the stiff neck.



Susan

>

> Stiff neck (as a chronic condition) has several causes which should be

> assessed (it probably has other causes in addition to an old injury, most

> specifically things like coffee drinking).

>

> But ARNICA, taken as a high-potency homeopathic (200 C or 1M if you can

> get it), has the potential to remove even ancient conditions due to

> trauma. I've seen it several times in my own clinical experience.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Ankle injury, was Re: comfrey

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:27:27 -0700

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> I have a question about my daughter's ankle. She was hit with a croquet

> ball on the ankle last year. Ever since then just off and on she

> complains of her ankles hurting. I was wondering if anyone knew of a

> particular ointment, salve or cream that might penetrate into the bone to

> help the healing process. I suspect a salve with comfrey but I have not

> seen any. My comfrey has not come up in the garden yet. Anything else

> that would go with it especially well? I would appreciate any input.

> Linda S.

> ___________



Not to sound like a broken record, but arnica montana 30 C is very

effective for removing such residuals from trauma. Arnica taken internally

(in potency!) is more effective for old injuries than local therapy with a

cream.



In addition, you could try to locate Zheng Gu Shui, a fairly common

Chinese liniment, and apply it once a week for a few weeks. It stains, so

she should wear a throwaway sock when treating. If you cannot find ZGS,

then just use Tiger Balm, which is available almost anywhere. But don't

use TB at the same time as the homeopathic.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Chronic stiff neck

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:27:07 -0700

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> Paul, thanks for mentioning the Arnica, I've never tried if for my neck

> because I generally think in terms of new injuries for Arnica. It's

worth a

> try. 



Homeopathic arnica is FAMED for removing old injuries.



>The castor oil does help, but I must use a lot of it on a regular basis

> and it can be a nuisance -- but whatever works ya know. I'll try the

arnica.

> I don't drink coffee.



Chronic stiff neck is generally associated with disharmonies in either the

liver or kidney systems. If there are signs of heat, then there is a

fertile area of therapy to explore. In addition, weak digestion can allow

the liver qi to flow into areas where it doesn't belong. This can cause

stiff shoulders and neck as well.



> Some serious physical therapy helped many years ago, but I'm not really

up

> to that now -- too expensive and no insurance. :( What they did before

would

> probably cost thousands of dollars out of pocket now, and he he... I'll

just

> live with the stiff neck.



It's my experience that these sorts of problems do need regular

chiropractic as well as a Chinese analysis and then some form of

appropriate treatment. It is important to be able to reduce the skeletal

displacement as much as possible. 



Late nights, skipped and delayed meals are other common factors in stiff

necks. Just let me know when I hit a nerve.  :-)



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Chronic stiff neck

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:55:43 -0400

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> Chronic stiff neck is generally associated with disharmonies in either the

> liver or kidney systems. If there are signs of heat, then there is a

> fertile area of therapy to explore. In addition, weak digestion can allow

> the liver qi to flow into areas where it doesn't belong. This can cause

> stiff shoulders and neck as well.



=================When I was 11, I was in a bad car wreck. Not to be

melodramatic, but they argued about whether I had a broken neck, then hours

later sent me home. I did have some light phsycial therapy, but nothing that

really helped. I stopped sleeping on my sides, began a history of insomnia,

sinus trouble, and irritable bowel syndrome. In fact, a bad stiff neck

almost always ensures runny sinus and a day spent in the john. I'm sure

there are all linked to that accident, but doctors just don't treat illness

in that way. At 18, I received some heavy duty physical therapy -- one of

those stretching machines every day for several weeks. The difference was

amazing and for years I didn't suffer much at all with the neck, although

the other symptoms persisted. Recently, I researched the liver and

considered working on that area, but didn't pursue it, not for a good reason

other than just getting distracted.

>

>

> It's my experience that these sorts of problems do need regular

> chiropractic as well as a Chinese analysis and then some form of

> appropriate treatment. It is important to be able to reduce the skeletal

> displacement as much as possible.



==================I've been told this many times but the idea of rearranging

my spine in such a direct manner really gives me the creeps. I've never been

able to work up the courage. But you may be right. After the castor oil pack

I can generall stretch well and my neck will usually pop a few times --

feels absolutely great. I use to be able to pop my neck anytime I liked, and

the release was tremendous -- but not anymore.

>

> Late nights, skipped and delayed meals are other common factors in stiff

> necks. Just let me know when I hit a nerve.  :-)



==================Well, all of them. :) Not too many late nights, or missed

meals cause the missed meals definitely make me sick - I do plan to start

with the Arnica right away. In addition, working from home has made it all

worse. My monitor and chair aren't exactly singing a synergetic tune. I will

probably purchase a new chair and maybe even a new desk. I'm sure these two

factors are adding to the current problem, but it's been a chronic

problem -- as I said since age 11.



Susan



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Chronic stiff neck

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:31:54 -0400

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Oh, and btw, I do appreciate any information you send my way, but I don't

want you to think I expect any kind of diagnosis -- I'm willing to learn

about and try new things that might help though.



Susan

>

> =================When I was 11, I was in a bad car wreck. Not to be

> melodramatic, but they argued about whether I had a broken neck, then

hours

> later sent me home. I did have some light phsycial therapy, but nothing

that

> really helped. I stopped sleeping on my sides, began a history of

insomnia,

> sinus trouble, and irritable bowel syndrome. In fact, a bad stiff neck

> almost always ensures runny sinus and a day spent in the john. I'm sure



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Chronic stiff neck

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:40:04 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> In addition, weak digestion can allow

> > the liver qi to flow into areas where it doesn't belong. This can cause

> > stiff shoulders and neck as well.

> 

> =================When I was 11, I was in a bad car wreck. 



Absent any other symptoms, that is a good argument for a stiff neck due to

injury and subsequent damaged and deranged tissue. But 11 is a time in

your life when you had tons of hormones flowing, and your actual fracture

probably healed pretty quickly (which may be part of the problem). 



>I did have some light phsycial therapy, but nothing that really helped.



So you had chronic, unrelieved pain. How horrid at that age.



> I stopped sleeping on my sides, began a history of insomnia, sinus

trouble, and irritable bowel syndrome. 



Do you still suffer from these things?



>In fact, a bad stiff neck  almost always ensures runny sinus and a day

spent in the john. I'm sure

> there are all linked to that accident, 



Let's examine that assumption. Runny sinuses and a day on the john? Those

are dampness complaints. 



WHY do you have dampness problems? Not BECAUSE of a stiff neck? Isn't it

more ALONG WITH?



> At 18, I received some heavy duty physical therapy -- one of

> those stretching machines every day for several weeks. The difference was

> amazing and for years I didn't suffer much at all with the neck, although

> the other symptoms persisted. 



I rather imagine you should get a lot of massage in that area in any case,

and I would advise mud baths, if you can find one. Otherwise, heat up

cosmetic clay and water until it is fairly warm, and then apply liberally

to the area. While it is on the area, lay down (on a towel), and relax as

much as possible, feeling your neck and imagining that the clay is mother

earth repairing your neck from the accident. Release your residual

feelings of trauma, and bring attention to the neck in a loving and happy

way, relaxing more and more, breathing deeply and harmoniously, grateful

that the mother is healing your neck. 



This is an old native method, and it's a good one.



>Recently, I researched the liver



In your case, not the liver, but the dampness. That's the anomaly.



> > It's my experience that these sorts of problems do need regular

chiropractic



> ==================I've been told this many times but the idea of

rearranging

> my spine in such a direct manner really gives me the creeps. I've never

been

> able to work up the courage. 



Massage, especially with sesame oil, is very good and may suffice. You

might also rub sandlewood into your neck.



> I use to be able to pop my neck anytime I liked, and the release was

tremendous -- but not anymore.



If you already 'pop' your neck, then a good, gentle chiropractor should be

perfect for you. They don't do the scary stuff, and it is VERY satisfying

to be helped to reach alignments that your naive muscle-powered or

inertial movements can't accomplish.



From a Chinese standpoint, popping a joint is perfectly appropriate, but

it is a sign of disharmony. It is wise to repair the disharmony, as well

as reduce the pathogenic factor that has accumulated in the area of the

disharmony (the wind bubbles that 'pop'). 



In this case, wind and dampness are the concommitants, and that is a

specific CONSTITUTIONAL weakness. 



As such, it basically has less to do with your neck per se, than how you

have adapted and developed your tendencies.



> >missed meals definitely make me sick - 



A good sign of weak digestion. In such a situation, you should eat no

fruit, and drink no coffee AT ALL. Eat some CHINESE GINSENG, preferably in

formula with danggui and the usual six or eight other herbs in such

formulas.



>I do plan to start with the Arnica right away.



Use the arnica at the same general time with the mud applications and the

meditation on healing the area. These might be days when you leave the tv

off and avoid operating electrical appliances, including your

computer--preferably in semi-retreat. Don't fast, though.



> In addition, working from home has made it all

> worse. My monitor and chair aren't exactly singing a synergetic tune. I

will

> probably purchase a new chair and maybe even a new desk. I'm sure these

two

> factors are adding to the current problem, but it's been a chronic

> problem -- as I said since age 11.



There is no excuse for a bad ergonomic set-up. It doesn't have to be

expensive. You should care about yourself enough to prioritize such proper

tools for your life. Every cent spent on good tools is another moment of

satisfaction you deserve. Be creative!



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: re:Kidney stones

From: "Veress" <kveress@becon.org>

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:35:30 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by margot Veress <kveress@becon.org> :



Paul, 

Thank you so much for the research you did regarding Koemis Koetjing.

It all makes sense, I am Dutch, live in Canada though.

Koemis Koetjing really is a God Sent, one of the herbs that I really

cherish. Once , about twenty years ago,I have seen my husband drugged on

Morphium, and realised then that there should be more healthy ways to

handle Kidney stones.  Being in Holland, and having a sympathetic

pharmacist with knowledge of Indonesian herbs Koemis Koetjing is what he

came up with.  Needless to say that we are never without either the pills

and the herb for tea. So far with great success . . .



It is good to know more about it though, moreover since I have seen such

good results and nobody seems to know about it.

So thanks again,

Margot



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Growing Pains

From: OakCamp@aol.com

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:21:44 EDT

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Hi All,

Evan, my 10 yo son has grown quite a bit during this school year; probably 6 

in. or so.  He complains daily of achy bones and muscles. Sometines his 

knees, sometimes his back, you know, never the same place twice.  I was 

always told growing pains were something you just had to put up with, but I 

was wondering if there was herbal support for all the things his body is 

going through.  He's far from  done growing and I thought if I started 

something now maybe the remaining pains won't be so bad.  Any thoughts?



Barbara Birkinbine

Oak Camp Herb Farm, OCIA cert

OakCamp@aol.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Growing Pains

From: "Richard & Cyndi Ask" <ask@gtii.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:33:32 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Richard & Cyndi Ask <ask@gtii.com> :



> Sent to the herblist by oakcamp@aol.com :

>

> Hi All,

> Evan, my 10 yo son has grown quite a bit during this school year; probably 6

> in. or so.  He complains daily of achy bones and muscles. Sometines his

> knees, sometimes his back, you know, never the same place twice.  I was

> always told growing pains were something you just had to put up with, but I

> was wondering if there was herbal support for all the things his body is

> going through.  He's far from  done growing and I thought if I started

> something now maybe the remaining pains won't be so bad.  Any thoughts?

>



Growing pains are NOT normal. My wife Cyndi suffers from Fibromyologia (sp)

In taking her from a bedridden state to working full time through herbs we have

done

lots of research and have had an article published in Nature's Field which is

owned

by the President of the American Herbalist Guild.



One of the things we have found is that "growing pains" either are an expression

of this syndrome or a precursor.



Richard



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Growing Pains

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:34:19 -0400

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==========We all grew up being told we were just suffering from growing

pains. While I agree that there's no such thing, I do think most of those

aches had logical explanations -- playing too hard, jumping out of a swing,

swimming too long, you name it...anytime a parent didn't know what really

caused the pain, they labeled it a growing pain.



Susan

>

> One of the things we have found is that "growing pains" either are an

expression

> of this syndrome or a precursor.

>



==========

To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Growing Pains

From: "Joan Grout" <Joan_Grout@sunshine.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:51:28 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Joan Grout <Joan_Grout@sunshine.net> :



>One of the things we have found is that "growing pains" either are an

expression

>of this syndrome or a precursor.

>

>Richard



Would you say more about your research-if not on list, then to me privaetly?

My son (20 now) also had "growing pains". I spent a lot of nights rubbing

sore legs and our dr. recommended tylenol and I gave him vit. e.--but that

was a number of years ago and he's well past that pain period--I thought!

Your post makes me wonder...

Joan



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Growing Pains

From: "Richard & Cyndi Ask" <ask@gtii.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:45:43 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Richard & Cyndi Ask <ask@gtii.com> :



----- Original Message -----

From: "Joan Grout" <Joan_Grout@sunshine.net>



> Sent to the herblist by Joan Grout <Joan_Grout@sunshine.net> :

>

>

>

> >One of the things we have found is that "growing pains" either are an

> expression

> >of this syndrome or a precursor.

> >

> >Richard

>

>

> Would you say more about your research-if not on list, then to me privaetly?

> My son (20 now) also had "growing pains". I spent a lot of nights rubbing

> sore legs and our dr. recommended tylenol and I gave him vit. e.--but that

> was a number of years ago and he's well past that pain period--I thought!

> Your post makes me wonder...

> Joan

>

>



I am not sure what you are asking. Maybe I am just to tired <smile>

As we were researching what might be best for Cyndi's Fibromyolgia

we meet in person and over the internet many hundreds of people that had it

or were "experts" on the subject.



Initially the subject of growing pains came up casually. Then stastically

it was discovered that those that had FMS had sever growing pains.

Then the Doctors involved found that children brought to them with growing pains

had all the criteria for FMS.



One other thing I will through out is that only 1 in 8 people that have FMS

are male.



If I did not answer your question or you have other questions let me know.



Richard





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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Growing Pains

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:12:26 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> Hi All,

> Evan, my 10 yo son has grown quite a bit during this school year;

> probably 6  in. or so.  He complains daily of achy bones and

> muscles. Sometines his  knees, sometimes his back, you know, never

> the same place twice. 



That's easy. The key is L-Glutamine, which someone his age should probably

take 250-500 mg. once or twice a day. You should check the adequacy of his

diet for protein as well.  A protein formula like Metabolic Research

Modifiers' (a local brand that is very, very advanced) 'Whey Pumped' (mmm,

chocolate!) as a snack beverage would be a good idea as well. Otherwise,

calcium and magnesium, and lay off the sodas and fruit juice, and feed him

lots of dark green veggies if he will eat them, even with lots of sauce if

needed.



> I was  always told growing pains were

> something you just had to put up with, but I  was wondering if there

> was herbal support for all the things his body is  going through. 

> He's far from  done growing and I thought if I started  something

> now maybe the remaining pains won't be so bad.  Any thoughts?



No reason to suffer. Glutamine is fundamental to repairing tissue, and

very pain-relieving with no side-effects. A good children's multivitamin

supplying B-6 is always a good idea when supplementing with an amino acid

like glutamine.



[You may also choose to supplement with glucosamine as well, to nourish

the joints].



Paul







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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Growing Pains

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:45:48 -0400

--------

Sent to the herblist by Marie Winston <b.winston@worldnet.att.net> :



>From: OakCamp@aol.com

>Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:21:44 EDT



>Hi All,

>Evan, my 10 yo son has grown quite a bit during this school year; probably

6

>in. or so.  He complains daily of achy bones and muscles. Sometines his

>knees, sometimes his back, you know, never the same place twice.  I was

>always told growing pains were something you just had to put up with, but I

>was wondering if there was herbal support for all the things his body is

>going through.  He's far from  done growing and I thought if I started

>something now maybe the remaining pains won't be so bad.  Any thoughts?



>Barbara Birkinbine

>Oak Camp Herb Farm, OCIA cert

>OakCamp@aol.com



Barbara,



Growing Pains is an apt description of the phenomenon.  What is happening,

is all that bone and muscle being formed is out stripping your son's intake

of minerals.  Bones ache and muscles can't relax without adequate mineral

reserves (esp. Calcium, Magnesium and Potassium).



I would suggest any of the mineral rich teas (Oatstraw, Dandelion Greens,

Nettles, ect.).  Alternatively, one of those organic colloidal mineral

supplements would help.



Marie

marie.winston@worldnet.att.net



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: ankylosing spondylitis

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:43:35 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



For ankylosing spondylitis, I would have lots of bodywork from a

practicioner who can really listen through their hands.  Acupuncture and

rolfing are two modalities that come to mind.  I know one individual who

responded quite well to rolfing, without which he would have been curled

up in pain.



As for herbs, in my modality I don't treat a disease, but the totality of

a person who has a variety of symptoms on a specific constitutional body.

 I'd consider antispasmodics like black cohosh for muscle cramps,

analgesics like meadowsweet for pain and perhaps oatstraw or comfery

(with the usual safety disclaimers) for his bones.  I might go with a

seaweed or a yin tonic for dry joints if indicated.  But the choice of

herb would depend on the constitution of the person.  Some of the

applications might be external- say compresses, while others would be

internal.



Your friend needs to find a good local herbalist or OMD and a good

bodyworker as this is a long-term  (lifetime?) endeavor.  A

constitutional homeopath might be good as well.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

We walk in the footsteps of those who came before us, leaving paths for

others to follow...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urtica (long)

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:40:42 -0400

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Does this mean no more green pasta made with Urtica?  That's how we used

to make it in Genova, and it was superior in color, flavor and nutrition

to spinach pasta.  It's also wonderful in Greek spinach pie instead of

the spinach.



Urtica is a nutritional plant and I spent the better part of one

pregnancy searching for it- had to drink a nettle juice imported from

Germany.  While there may be some situations where a particular pregnant

woman (say with pathological toxemia combined with impaired cardiac or

renal activity) might seek to avoid concentrated doses, it is generally

regarded as safe. 



Nettle leaves were used by the native Americans as a tonic throughout

pregnancy and to stop hemmorhaging in childbirth.  It is a galactogue and

is useful for post partum depression.  It helps rebuild the mother's qi

and blood after childbirth.  Nettle leaves help reduce water retention. 

The seeds are amphoteric to the kidneys.



Francis Brinker's _Herb Contraindications and Drug Interactions_ does not

list it in the contraindicated for pregnancy list- even at the "may

contain an isolated constituent that is contraindicated in quantity"

level.  



The US Herbal Physicians Desk Reference lists under contraindications:



<<Contraindications:

Urtica Herba et Folium



The drug is contraindicated when there is fluid retention resulting from

reduced cardiac or renal activity.



Precautions and Adverse Reactions;



Urtica Herba Et Folium

No health hazards or side effects are known in conjunction with the

proper therapeutic dosages.  Possible allergic reactions (skin

afflictions, edemas) have been observed in rare cases following intake of

the drug.



Urtica Radix

No health hazards are known in conjunction with the proper administration

of designated therapeutic dosages. Occasionally mild gastrointestinal

complaints may occur as side effects of drug intake.>>



There is no information on contraindications or side effects for the

seeds.



Urtica is specifically recommended by Rosemary Gladstar, Anne McIntyre,

Carol Rodgers, Linda Rector Page and Susun Weed for pregnancy and

lactation.  Other prominent herbalists like David Hoffman, Amanda Mcquade

Crawford freely recommend it as a nourishing food and omit it from their

lists of contraindicated herbs for pregnancy or lactation.



Urtica dioica, stinging nettle, is a tonic herb which is one of the

underated adaptogens.  It has antihistaminic properties and is a valuable

source of Vitamins A, B, C, D and K, caratenoids, chromium, cobalt,

phosphorus, potassium, zinc, copper, selenium, manganese, acetylcholine,

serotonin, glucoquinones, iron,  calcium, silica, magnesium, and other

trace minerals.  Low in sodium and 10.2% protein.



I infuse my vinegar with nettles in a 1:1 ratio (fresh) as a bioavailable

 source of minerals against osteoporosis.  Andrew Weil thinks that

nettles are one of the great natural antihistamines and 4-8 capsules per

day should help for acute reactions.  Infusion, juice or infused oils are

topically or internally used for hives, bee stings, insect bites and

other skin conditions.  Nettles are also used to lower blood sugar, to

promote breasmilk, as a circulatory stimulant, as a diuretic and as an

astringent to stop bleeding.  



Roots can be used as well as leaves and the root is primarily used for

its astringent qualities.  The decocted roots are used to stop dysentery

and the root tincture is used as a lymphatic and immune system

strengthener.



The seeds are high in tannins and are used as an antiseptic, vermifuge

(better for preventing reinection after drugs than for actually knocking

out worms) and as an endocrine system nourisher.  The dried seeds may

help regulate the thyroid.  1 tbsp. of nettle seeds soaked overnight in a

glass of wine is used to return tone and capillary strength to

respiratory tissues after pneumonia, bronchitis and such, and for fever,

testicular irritations, impotence and diarrhea.   



Nettle leaves make a good potherb, cooked like spinach.  Dried they can

be used in pesto or spaghetti sauce (adding little distinct flavor, but

lots of nutrition).  I make an overnight infusion at the rate of 1 oz.

herb to a quart of boiling water and drink it over the preiod of a day

for prevention of osteoporosis. Two cups per day of the infusion is the

dose for eczema or fungal skin infections.  A cup daily for six weeks is

used to nourish the adrenals and kidneys.   Fresh nettles can be juiced

directly for cardiac insufficiency with edema (1-3 tsp/day).  Compresses

made from nettle infusion can be used for arthritic or rheumatic pain,

sprains tendonitis and sciatica.  Nettle extract inhibits Shigella and

Staph aurea strains (but not E.coli or Pseudomonas). 



(No wonder the ancient Brits considered nettles one of the 7 sacred

herbs.)



Other sources:

"Anthroposophical Approach to Medicinal Plants."

http://www.weleda.co.uk/plantmed.htm



"Stinging Nettle."

http://bcadventure.com/adventure/wilderness/wildflowers/sting.htm



"Botanical Treatment of Arthritis."

http://205.180.229.2/pan/pa/naturopathic/aanp/articles.lay/arthritis.botanical

s.JS.html



Grieve. M.  "A Modern Herbal - Nettle Leaf."

http://www.vru.com/redzone/bulk/profile/1479.htm



Balach, Phyllis.  "Prescription for Nutritional Healing."  NY: Avery,

1990.



Known Nutritional Content in 100 grams of dried herb:

Calories .60 grams

Protein 10.2 grams

Fat 2.3 grams

Fiber, dietary 43%

Calcium 2,900 mg

Chromium .39 mg.

Iron 4.2mg

Magnesium 860 mg

Manganese .78 mg.

Phosphorus 447 mg.

Potassium 1,750 mg.

Selenium .22 mg.

Silica 1.03 mg.

Sodium 4.9 mg.

Zinc .47 mg.

Manganese 7.8 mg.

Beta Carotene 15,700 IU

Thiamine (B1) .540 mg.

Ribiflavin (B2) .430 mg.

Niacin (B3) 5.200 mg.

Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) 83 mg. 

Vitamin K, 

Rutin 

Bioflavanoids



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

We walk in the footsteps of those who came before us, leaving paths for

others to follow...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Urtica and Serenoa

From: "marco valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:03:03 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it> :



Hi gentlepeople,



can anyone give me some details on the latest position of FDA on Serenoa

(Saw Palmetto) and Urtica (Nettle)?  There are moves in Italy to declare the

two plants Pharmacy Only Medicines, or even Prescription Only Medicines.

This on the sole basis of some animal studies and on the position of the FDA

that apparently declares them of unknown safety.  It might sound like a sad

joke but it is not; the two herbs are considered dangeruous in pregnancy,

lactation, concurrent hormonal therapy, heart disease, allergic conditions,

etc.!

TIA



Marco Valussi



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: How to make extract of Aloe with and without a

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:02:47 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> The gel -is- the juice, if the seller is any good. It's good both

> for your skin and for your mucosa - it might be slightly cathartic

though.

> 

> The dried juice is very cathartic. Sellers who dry gel, rehydrate

> that, and sell the result as "juice" are hustlers who don't have any

> clue about Aloe. The gel loses lots on drying.



The Naturade company, here in the States, has a new patented extraction of

aloe, which apparently is dramatically more potent than what has been

available. I'm still trying to get my hands on some...I'll post the

details if there is interest.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: drynaria

From: "XANA" <xanafreitas@mail.telepac.pt>

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:59:20 +0200

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Hello list: could someone tell me something about drynaria? thank you. Xana



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: stop lactating?

From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:24:36 -0500

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Through a  friend of mine a lady has asked:



"Do you know if there is a natural product out there that will help prevent a 

woman from lactating after giving birth?   Basically prevent her milk from coming 

in or at least help dry it up quickly?  



The doctors no longer prescribe the medication that helps this and she is looking 

for an alternative.  She doesn't plan to breast feed and this can be  

extremely painful."



Does anyone in the list have any suggestions?  Don't know 

why she does not want to breast feed.  Have not received 

word back on any health conditions.  



Gerald W McClurg - Director/ Technical Services Group

 Voice: 301-933-1975



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stop lactating?

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:28:12 -0400

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Sage tea, brewed strong and sweetened with honey should dry her up.



But she should be encouraged to breastfeed for at least a few weeks or

she will regret the loss of immune factors, more difficult feedings,

greater difficulty getting her child to sleep at night (or fed in the

middle of the night) and lower incidence of allergies.  Not to mention

the higher average IQs of breastfed children.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

We walk in the footsteps of those who came before us, leaving paths for

others to follow...



>"Do you know if there is a natural product out there that will help 

>prevent a 

>woman from lactating after giving birth?   Basically prevent her milk 

>from coming 

>in or at least help dry it up quickly?  



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stop lactating?

From: october moon <oct-moon@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:38:45 -0400

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To reduce and cease milk production infusions of sage  (Salvia family -

not Artemesia)  can be consumed, as well as compresses made from fresh

cabbage leaves placed right inside the bra.  Parsley is supposed to

reduce milk production as well, but I have no experience with that one.

Nell



Only put off until tomorrow what you are willing to die having left

undone.

-Pablo Picasso (1881-1973)



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stop lactating?

From: "Amy Cook" <acook@in4web.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:12:15 -0700

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Hi,



I don't think there is much that can be done to deal with engorgment.  After

I weaned my children I always experienced discomfort and just dealt with it

(cold compresses were helpful).  Sage (Salvia officinale) infusion is

supposed to have an action of drying up breast milk, but I've never tried

it.



Amy



> "Do you know if there is a natural product out there that will help

prevent a

> woman from lactating after giving birth?   Basically prevent her milk from

coming

> in or at least help dry it up quickly?

>

> The doctors no longer prescribe the medication that helps this and she is

looking

> for an alternative.  She doesn't plan to breast feed and this can be

> extremely painful



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stop lactating?

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:37:33 EDT

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I recall a story my wife heard at a health conference about a woman 

whose breast continued to become engorged with milk well beyond the 

time her child was weaned. Her conventional physician ran a number of 

tests, but finally told her nothing could be done and she would have to 

live with her condition. One day she told her story to a delivery man who 

then asked her how much coffee she drank. He had heard that caffeine 

affected the adrenal glands which could affect the hormone that involves 

lactation. She stopped drinking coffee and her condition resolved within a 

day or two. How ironic that her physician, who was knowledgable about 

evidence-based therapies, couldn't help her ..but a delivery man was able 

to help based on personal experience. If this story is accurate, it points 

out several important truths. First, physicians are not trained to diagnose 

and treat every possible affliction. Second, people can learn to treat 

themselves based on the experience of others ..particularly after 

conventional medicine doesn't have an answer. Third, and the reason

I mention the above story in the first place, if you're hoping to stop or

minimize lactation you might stay away from coffee and other

caffeinated beverages.



Elliot



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stop lactating?

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:51:12 -0400

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I don't know about that story Elliott........lactating sorness is

different from cystic soreness, I had both...

BUT, when having cystic breasts or sore breasts , stopping caffeine does

help. I experienced it and so do countless other woman that I know..

Even for non-cystic woman. When having a mammogram, stay away for 2 days

before the procedure from caffeine, it does help...

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: interesting site

From: "Joan Grout" <Joan_Grout@sunshine.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:41:10 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Joan Grout <Joan_Grout@sunshine.net> :



This an interesting site --American Botanical Council--with some interesting

programs and speakers:

www.herbalgram.org

(I don't remember seeing this here lately- hope it's not repetition)

Joan



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: blue hands

From: "Sophie Pip" <sophiepip@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:12:12 PDT

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Sent to the herblist by sophie pip <sophiepip@hotmail.com> :



Hi herb list,

Are unusually blue hands in an old (90yr) man symptomatic of something? And 

if so, are there herb suggestions? Other history-good health, mild heart 

attack or angina 5 yr. ago. high blood pressure controlled by medication. 

Has had ankle problems recently so doesn't get as much exercise. Today his 

hands were dark blue-startled me they were so blue.

Thanks,

Sophie



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blue hands

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:42:51 -0400

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Were his hands also cold?  Blue hands is a sign of poor circulation or

stagnation in Chinese medicine terms.



I'd make up a tincture of gingko, ginger and a little tangerine peel.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

We walk in the footsteps of those who came before us, leaving paths for

others to follow...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blue hands

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:43:49 EDT

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In a message dated 04/11/2000 8:49:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

creationsgarden@juno.com writes:



<< I'd make up a tincture of gingko, ginger and a little tangerine peel. >>



kAREN,



I don't think the old gent has the time to wait for a tincture to brew if his 

feet are that blue.  He has circulatory insufficiency, and his color is due 

to the lack of oxygen in the blood and tissue  - and  probably some real 

sticky blood.  If something isnt done pretty quickly, particularly in someone 

that is 90,  he could wind up with clots - a stroke, gangrene or all of the 

above.  My suggestion would be to start immediately with a loading dose 

(60-70 drops x 4/day) of Hawthorn - Linden - Mistletoe - yarrow  tincture - 

and add some bilberry (fruit) tincture to that at another 60 drops.  On top 

of that I would add some Cayenne (or ginger) some butcher's broom and gingko 

tea, some garlic in cap form - Kyolic (nci) formula 106, and at least 

90-120mg of a good hydrosoluble Co Enzyme Q-10 a day along with some 

Niacinimide or no flush niacin  - don't use the time release stuff  - EVER..  

To round the protocol out , I would  throw in a bunch of OPCs - either Grape 

seed or maritime pine bark extract and lots of cherries or bluberries - 

bilberry fruit  - and some Vitamine E -   Don't mess with this - it can kill 

someone in no time.

Hope it helps.

peter



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blue hands

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:11:57 -0700

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Hold on there! THERE IS NO DIAGNOSIS, why are people jumping to

conclusions in the case of an elderly man who isn't going to tolerate a

bunch of fooling around!



Email information is wonderful and all, but NO WAY you can treat a 90 year

old man based on his having 'blue hands' and that's all you need to know.

These are cases of the UTMOST delicacy--old trees you cannot simply prune

to look young. 



Without being on hand, clearly and deeply observing what patterns exist

and how they are affected by plants, there is no safe and reasonable

therapy to be recommended. 



In the case of the elderly, protecting the digestion is the FIRST,

FOREMOST, AND PERENNIAL concern. Yet everyone dives into the kit bag to

dredge the blood, activate, warm, and all these other therapeutic

concerns, without taking into account that for the elderly, the first

issue is, how is the diet and how is the digestion?



> I'd construct a formula which does the following things.  Try to balance

> it for taste which is also a shorthand for other properties.  IOW, I

> wouldn't put the rosemary and dang gui together.  My preference is to use

> the decocted Chinese roots to build and move the blood, together with

> deer antler, panax ginseng, tangerine peel and ginger.  If you don't have

> access to Chinese herbs, nettles, rosemary, prickley ash, gingko, ginseng

> and cayenne.



Unacceptable without more details.



> Blood moving herbs would include Ligusticum chuanxiong root, prickley

> ash, juniper berry or sarasparilla. 



Moving blood herbs is NOT the proper materia medica category. In the

elderly, nourish qi to move blood in many cases. Unless there are SIGNS of

blood stagnation (sorry, blue hands isn't that), it is improper to use a

raft of these herbs. Maybe one, carefully chosen, or two. Maybe hawthorn,

maybe ginger.



The most reasonable assumption I've seen in this thread was

Mary's...'cardiac insufficiency', or what Chinese-oriented we might

recognize as 'kidney qi/heart qi depletion.' 



The A #1 most useful herb in this case is ACONITE. Aconite has the power

to rebuild worn-down organs---I have watched firsthand the beneficial

effects in the elderly, and it is very safe to use in the proper formula.

The most common and most safe formula is Rehmannia Eight Combination, and

correct the diet if necessary. This man survived the winter; it is not so

hard to get him through the summer.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blue hands

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:24:44 EDT

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In a message dated 04/12/2000 8:31:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

creationsgarden@juno.com writes:



<< And Peter, one can mix tinctures rather than brewing them up for a

 month.) >>



Agreed  - I apologize - I wasn't thinking.  so sorry :-)  - I



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blue hands

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:31:49 -0400

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I'd construct a formula which does the following things.  Try to balance

it for taste which is also a shorthand for other properties.  IOW, I

wouldn't put the rosemary and dang gui together.  My preference is to use

the decocted Chinese roots to build and move the blood, together with

deer antler, panax ginseng, tangerine peel and ginger.  If you don't have

access to Chinese herbs, nettles, rosemary, prickley ash, gingko, ginseng

and cayenne.



Blood moving herbs would include Ligusticum chuanxiong root, prickley

ash, juniper berry or sarasparilla. 



To build the blood, Nettles (Urtica diocia leaf),  Dang gui ( the root of

Angelica sinensis) or Shu di huang (the steamed root of Rhemmania

glutinosae).  



To warm him and tonify yang, Lu rong (deer antler velvet), rosemary leaf,

or cinnamon bark.  (I think the deer antler is stronger, so if you go for

the others you need to adjust the rest of the formula to compensate.)



To build qi and keep things moving, panax ginseng, tangerine peel, gingko

leaf or mugwort leaf.



And a sharp warming carminitive to help penetration like cayenne, ginger

or black pepper.



(And Peter, one can mix tinctures rather than brewing them up for a

month.)

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Blue hands and feet

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:04:04 EDT

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This can be a manifestation of cardiac insufficiency which can lead to the 

death of limbs, stroke, or heart attack.  It's the body's way of telling you 

that circulation to the tips of the body is insufficient, or that the heart 

is no longer able to pump strongly enough to output what the body needs.  Get 

it checked out with whomever you trust, as quickly as you are able.  If he is 

in congestive heart failure you will see edema (or swelling) of the limbs, 

which is excess fluid and this should be watched.  



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH, N.D.

Professional Consultations/Online Classes-Registration thru 4/10/00

Botanical Pharmacy, Burtonsville, Md.

Catalogue thru:  Herbgrow30@aol.com

Specializing in Substance Abuse/Addictions Counseling

                                                ***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: FDA & saw palmetto, nettle

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:59:14 EDT

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>  can anyone give me some details on the latest position of FDA on Serenoa

>  (Saw Palmetto) and Urtica (Nettle)?  There are moves in Italy to declare 

the

>  two plants Pharmacy Only Medicines, or even Prescription Only Medicines.

>  This on the sole basis of some animal studies and on the position of the 

FDA

>  that apparently declares them of unknown safety.  It might sound like a sad

>  joke but it is not; the two herbs are considered dangeruous in pregnancy,

>  lactation, concurrent hormonal therapy, heart disease, allergic conditions,

>  etc.!



As far as I know, there's no info from the FDA on saw palmetto or nettle

that might give them the (perceived) right to restrict these herbs. I can't

say the same for St John's Wort though. FDA is the legal watchdog for 

the public when it comes to potential harm from dietary supplements.

Unfortunately, they'd rather restict/remove the supplement from the

market rather than inform the public and require appropriate labeling

..which is what's done in other non-food&drug sectors of the market.



Elliot Freeman RPh



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: FDA & saw palmetto, nettle

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:11:33 -0700

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> As far as I know, there's no info from the FDA on saw palmetto or nettle

> that might give them the (perceived) right to restrict these herbs. I

can't

> say the same for St John's Wort though. FDA is the legal watchdog for 

> the public when it comes to potential harm from dietary supplements.

> Unfortunately, they'd rather restict/remove the supplement from the

> market rather than inform the public and require appropriate labeling

> ..which is what's done in other non-food&drug sectors of the market.



No, that's not really true, though they would perhaps 'rather' restrict,

they don't often have the political will to do so. 



Saw palmetto is produced by major corporations, and that means a lot when

it comes to FDA limitations. The FDA hasn't taken ephedra off the market,

and has said it only wants to restrict dosage, so it is unlikely they are

'going after' saw palmetto. 



Further, FDA has usually been fairly friendly to Chinese herbalism,

stating repeatedly that as long as use is accompanied by traditional

practice it is OK with them unless a contamination problem or other

non-traditional problem occurs. 



In the U.S., herbalism is far more 'under attack' by local, state, and

federal medical associations than by the FDA. Now that FDA has had its

nose snipped off again (Supreme Court says, no, FDA doesn't regulate

tobacco, duh), and since the Congressional protections of, what, 91? Paper

tiger, mostly.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: speaking of aloe

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:13:14 EDT

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I just read an article mentioning aloe in the February issue of the

Hospital Pharmacist Report.  L. Col. Brian Reamy, resident director of 

the Dept. of Family Practice at David Grant Medical Center in Fairfield, 

CA (USA) gets a lot of frost bite victims from the Sierra mountains. In 

cases of blisters from frostbite, Reamy recommends applying topical 

aloe vera and then loose dressing. All kinds of things have been tried, 

but aloe works the best. 



If after reading this type of endorsement, physicians would be foolish not 

to use it or recommend it ...despite the fact that there was no placebo-

controlled trial to evaluate the results. An expert says it works and I'll

make sure some physicians read about it.



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter Service

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blue hands and feet

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:28:04 EDT

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> On top 

>  of that I would add some Cayenne (or ginger) some butcher's broom and 

gingko 

>  tea, some garlic in cap form - Kyolic (nci) formula 106, and at least 

>  90-120mg of a good hydrosoluble Co Enzyme Q-10 a day along with some 

>  Niacinimide or no flush niacin  - don't use the time release stuff  - 

EVER.. 



I'd like to second use of cayenne. Use as much as can be tolerated. 

From what I've read, it could help as a peripheral vasodilator and coronary 

vasodilator. Also, gingko is widely known even in allopathic circles for 

its peripheral (and cerebral) effects. 



Elliot



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blue hands and feet

From: mango <mango@gelrevision.nl>

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:38:55 +0200

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>I'd like to second use of cayenne. Use as much as can be tolerated.

Internal or External ?



Thanks,

Joel



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: blue hands and feet

From: Janice McColl <jmccoll@BIORIGINAL.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:30:24 -0600

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I'm curious as to why you don't recommend the timed-release niacin.



> > On top 

> >  of that I would add some Cayenne (or ginger) some butcher's broom and 

> gingko 

> >  tea, some garlic in cap form - Kyolic (nci) formula 106, and at least 

> >  90-120mg of a good hydrosoluble Co Enzyme Q-10 a day along with some 

> >  Niacinimide or no flush niacin  - don't use the time release stuff  - 

> EVER.. 

> 

> I'd like to second use of cayenne. Use as much as can be tolerated. 

> From what I've read, it could help as a peripheral vasodilator and

> coronary 

> vasodilator. Also, gingko is widely known even in allopathic circles for 

> its peripheral (and cerebral) effects. 

> 

> Elliot

> 

> 

> 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blue hands and feet

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:07:43 EDT

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In a message dated 04/12/2000 10:32:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

mango@gelrevision.nl writes:



<< I'd like to second use of cayenne. Use as much as can be tolerated.

 Internal or External ? >>



BOTH - and for the external either a "simple" extract or oil ( but do be 

careful when next "using the facilities") or a liniment like Kloss made with 

ethanol as opposed to rubbing alcohol - actually the Kloss would probably 

help more than one might normally expect in this kind of situation because of 

the goldenseal and myrrh that are in it that would deal with any inflammatory 

kind of infection that might be part of the problem. 



peter



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blue hands and feet

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 05:02:04 -0400 (EDT)

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>I'd like to second use of cayenne. Use as much as can be tolerated.



Elliot, or anyone else who can answer,



What if the tolerable amount of cayenne is near-zero because of allergy or other

intolerance of Solanaceae (family that includes potato, eggplant, capsicum,

tomato, tobacco and others)?  But even before I developed this allergy or

intolerance, I still got cold feet during the colder months despite

cayenne/hot capsicum fruits.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blue hands and feet

From: "Judith Thamm" <galingale@chariot.net.au>

Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:59:03 +0930

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Dear Thomas,

I was given a beautiful pair of purple bedsocks last year - warm feet

quick to fall asleep - never go around in bare feet or without socks

on.  Since I've noticed that my feet and hands are not as cold -

particularly at night - it is terrible trying to sleep with a pair of

iceblocks on the end of your legs - the other major change is that I

take Siberian Ginseng almost daily.



What about exercise - are you getting any? or enough?  And my change

is totally unrelated to menopause - in case you may have thought of

that.



Judith.



> What if the tolerable amount of cayenne is near-zero because of

allergy or other

> intolerance of Solanaceae (family that includes potato, eggplant,

capsicum,

> tomato, tobacco and others)?  But even before I developed this

allergy or

> intolerance, I still got cold feet during the colder months despite

> cayenne/hot capsicum fruits.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blue hands and feet

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:38:52 -0400

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<<What if the tolerable amount of cayenne is near-zero because of allergy

or other intolerance of Solanaceae >>



Prickly ash then, or pipli long pepper.  Even black pepper.  And with the

appropriate modifications, ginger may work too.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

There are only two ways to experience life.  One is as though nothing is

a miracle.  The other is as though everything is.-  Albert Einstein



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blue hands and feet

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:06:11 -0400 (EDT)

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>Prickly ash then, or pipli long pepper.  Even black pepper.  And with the

>appropriate modifications, ginger may work too.



Is pipli long pepper cayenne-related (Capsicum genus) or black/white

pepper-related (Piper genus)?  I can take black or white pepper (Piper nigrum)

or cubeb (Piper cubeba).



>

I have recently learned that the offending substance common to the Salanane

family is actually contained in the skins and seeds of the unripe fruits,

only.  This might also apply to fruits harvested prior to being ripe, and

then ripened thru commercial means.



So, if you raise your own, just wait until the peppers are quite red.  If

not, you would be safest to peel and seed them before use.  You could make a

tincture from some properly prepared peppers for use when fresh isn't

available.  Or simply freeze or dry & powder some.  Commercial products, no

doubt, would be unsuitable for you.

>



What is Salanane family?  Solanaceae mistyped?  Plant family names end in

"aceae".



Offending substance is not limited to fruits at all: potatoes, eggplant,

capsicum and tomatoes in descending order of severity.  Surest way to get red

capsicum, if I don't grow my own, is commercially, as cayenne, red pepper or

paprika, though paprika is not usually hot.  But I am adversely affected by red

pepper.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blue hands and feet

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 05:59:40 -0400

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Pippli long pepper is related to black pepper, and is not a solanaceous

family member.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

There are only two ways to experience life.  One is as though nothing is

a miracle.  The other is as though everything is.-  Albert Einstein



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blue hands and feet

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:47:05 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Marie Winston <b.winston@worldnet.att.net> :



"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

wrote: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 05:02:04 -0400 (EDT)



>>I'd like to second use of cayenne. Use as much as can be tolerated.



>Elliot, or anyone else who can answer,



>What if the tolerable amount of cayenne is near-zero because of allergy or

other

>intolerance of Solanaceae (family that includes potato, eggplant, capsicum,

>tomato, tobacco and others)?  But even before I developed this allergy or

>intolerance, I still got cold feet during the colder months despite

>cayenne/hot capsicum fruits.



Thomas,



I have recently learned that the offending substance common to the Salanane

family is actually contained in the skins and seeds of the unripe fruits,

only.  This might also apply to fruits harvested prior to being ripe, and

then ripened thru commercial means.



So, if you raise your own, just wait until the peppers are quite red.  If

not, you would be safest to peel and seed them before use.  You could make a

tincture from some properly prepared peppers for use when fresh isn't

available.  Or simply freeze or dry & powder some.  Commercial products, no

doubt, would be unsuitable for you.



Marie

marie.winston@worldnet.att.net



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re:Time released supplements

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:16:55 EDT

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In a message dated 04/12/2000 11:29:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

jmccoll@BIORIGINAL.com writes:



<< I'm curious as to why you don't recommend the timed-release niacin. >>



Its really quite simple - there are a number of studies that provide real 

clear evidence that there are some very very serious consequences with liver 

function for taking of this stuff for any period of time.  the culprit is 

apparently the chemical bonding compounds tht are used to make an otherwise 

good supplement release more slowly put an extreme strain on the livers 

clearance pathways and can very quickly damage the liver when they are " 

hanging around".     I can't put my hands on them right now but when I do I 

will post the references to the list.  Interesting reading and more 

interesting is that despite these studies - some of the less "concerned" 

manufacturers continue to produce the stuff.  



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Time released supplements

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:00:26 EDT

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In a message dated 4/12/00 12:17:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

NEHrbSup@aol.com writes:



<< Its really quite simple - there are a number of studies that provide real 

 clear evidence that there are some very very serious consequences with liver 

 function for taking of this stuff for any period of time.  the culprit is 

 apparently the chemical bonding compounds tht are used to make an otherwise 

 good supplement release more slowly put an extreme strain on the livers 

 clearance pathways and can very quickly damage the liver when they are " 

 hanging around".     I can't put my hands on them right now but when I do I 

 will post the references to the list.  Interesting reading and more 

 interesting is that despite these studies - some of the less "concerned" 

 manufacturers continue to produce the stuff.  

  >>



I ADD;  Also if you have malabsorption syndrome where nutrients are not taken 

into the body adequately, some of the timed release remedies does not get 

taken-up properly (Balach/Balach).



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH, N.D.

Professional Consultations/Online Classes-Registration thru 4/10/00

Botanical Pharmacy, Burtonsville, Md.

Catalogue thru:  Herbgrow30@aol.com

Specializing in Substance Abuse/Addictions Counseling

                                                ***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: teenage acne

From: "plantpeople" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:55:07 -0500

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> Evan, my 10 yo son has grown quite a bit during this school year; probably

6

> in. or so.  He complains daily of achy bones and muscles. Sometines his

> knees, sometimes his back, you know, never the same place twice.  I was

> always told growing pains were something you just had to put up with, but

I

> was wondering if there was herbal support for all the things his body is

> going through.  He's far from  done growing and I thought if I started

> something now maybe the remaining pains won't be so bad.  Any thoughts?



My son shot up 5 inches and 4 shoe sizes in one summer!  (good thing it was

warm enough to go barefoot).  At that rate of growth discomfort and

accidents (simply from being unaccustomed to new body size) are inevitable.

This pace of growth demands adequate Calcium and Mg - I had to give him 3

1000/500 mg capsules daily before the aches, pains and cramps disappeared. -

COMbined with being sure he was eating adequate daily protein, lots of fresh

garden vegetables/weeds and food sources of essential fatty acids - if no

garden vegetables/weeds availble I would look to using seaweed or a good

multi-mineral supplement.  Wasn't as difficult as it sounds because he was

also quite hungry most of the time.



At the same time, acne grew to be a concern (those abudant hormones) and the

simplest and quite effective remedy was to push my son to drink 2 liters or

more a day - we were doing hard outdoor work at the time so having a drink

meant taking a break :-)).



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: teenage acne

From: "plantpeople" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:40:05 -0500

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Following post was sent to me with permission to forward it to list, to save

spce, will reply to it at this time also - JoyceW



>I am on the Medicanal Herbal list on my

>account which I can not reach from here at work.  I

>wanted to answer you on this quickly because I have

>some experience with the things you ask about.  I

>periodically write to the list about surviving ovarian

>cancer & about herbal tea recipes.  Besides cancer

>related immune system problems I had terrible acne and

>hormonal problems when I was growing up.  I had

>terrible pains in my shins in the years when I grew

>three inches in 3 months too <sigh>

>

> I currently have muscle aches from exercise & too

> little calcium probably.  When I take calcium I notice

> the muscle aches go away much faster (I am almost 40

> now though.)  But I think you need to watch potassium

> and magnesium levels too,  Plus 15 minutes to 30

> minutes a day in the sun helps the increase calcium

> absorption by providing the body with vitamin D.

> Dandelion root is a good source for these minerals.



Absolutely.  That's why a calcium and magnesium supplement is important.

Also I should mention we used calcium citrate.  Potassium is abundant in

garden vegeatbles and wild edibles, so I was not espeically concerned as we

eat plantiful amounts, but if someone's diet was lacking in vegetables, yes,

then it would have to be taken into consideration.



> I can find lots of references that recommend burdock

> root or burdock + dandelion root for treating acne.

> (Note this is a great detox tea for the immune system

> & liver as well.)  To make the tea palatable I add

> licorice root and honey.  It is a decoction (boil 20

> minutes and cover and steep for 10 minutes).  I use 2

> parts burdock root approximately 4 tablespoons, to 1

> part dandelion and 1 part licorice to 2 quarts water.

> I don't mind if this gets posted to the medicinal

> list, I just can not reach the list from here at work.

> Good luck with your son,

> Barbara



My herbal philosophy is what is simplest and least interventionist first.

If all that is needed is adequate daily water intake then additional

treatment is not necessary.  True, if the acne did not respond I might try

the above, along with perhaps yarrow and a good sweat bath or two(though

would not drink yarrow before or during a sweat).  Drinking water also

reduces teens intake of sugar and caffeinated beverages, which is a

escalating health concern in the states.  I have seen teen acne clear up

simply by drinking water in place of the 6-7 coffees/ lates/mountain

dews/pepsis that many teeens drink DAILY.  dandelion/burdock combo would be

of little help until the habit is changed.  Thanks for dialogue, JoyceW



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: FDA and herbs

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:34:07 EDT

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>> As far as I know, there's no info from the FDA on saw palmetto or nettle

>> that might give them the (perceived) right to restrict these herbs. I can't

>> say the same for St John's Wort though. FDA is the legal watchdog for 

>> the public when it comes to potential harm from dietary supplements.

>> Unfortunately, they'd rather restict/remove the supplement from the

>> market rather than inform the public and require appropriate labeling

>> ..which is what's done in other non-food&drug sectors of the market.



Paul writes:

>  No, that's not really true, though they would perhaps 'rather' restrict,

>  they don't often have the political will to do so. 



I add:

FDA's political will has very little to do with their preference for 

restricting

rather than educating. I wasn't talking about what they can accomplish

..just what their attitude seems to be. As watchdogs, they're a little

overzealous for my tastes and I'm not alone in this regard. Let's take

the case of  Cholestin (Monascus purpureus Went), a type of red yeast 

fermented on rice, has been used in China for several centuries as a 

food additive for making rice wine, as a food preservative for maintaining 

the color and taste of fish and meat, and as a medicinal agent. When

it was found that this preparation contained substances that were

equivalent to lovastatin and marketed in the U.S., the FDA blocked

all importation of the product and attempted to take it off the market,

despite the fact that clinical trials demonstated its effectiveness in

lowering cholesterol. Their case was basically thrown out of court

when Pharmanex (manufacturer) took action against FDA. While this 

wasn't a situation of protecting the public from potential harm, it

certainly demonstated the intent of FDA to restrict supplements if

they think they have a case.



In the most recent situation, FDA just passed new regulations

expanding the scope of claims made by supplement marketers

that will be dissallowed by the Agency. After receiving 235,000

comments from the public, they gave in on a few minor points.

The bottom line is further restriction on what a company can

state about their product. For example, companies cannot state

their product may be effective for dementia/Alzheimers, despite the 

fact that controlled clinical studies demonstrate its effective ..the

same for promoting blood pressure, lowering cholesterol levels,

or blood glucose ..and the list goes on.



Months before making these regulations official, FDA stated they

were updating their guidelines in the public interest. These new

regulations have nothing to do with the "public interest" ..only in

the "public control". If FDA was focused on the public interest,

they'd work with other agencies to make sure the public had

more information on supplements ..not less. This action speaks

to their preference to restrict rather than inform and I'm sure

we'll see more of this tendency in the future. With regard to FDA's

political will, in my opinion, they are like little children who will try 

to test how much they can get away with at almost every

opportunity.



Elliot



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: aquaus humor

From: terrisegal@delaware.net

Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:02:47 -0400

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Hi,

 does anyone know how to help this eye condition?  From what I have been

told the 'gel' within the eye shrinks away from the outside of the eye.

This is the first step before a detached retina.  Also what herbs are good

for a person with the very beginning of cataracts.

Thank you,

Terri



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: aquaus humor

From: HHNM@aol.com

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:24:13 EDT

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I have used Eyebright, and Bilberry extract, but it does take a long time for 

any results. It took a long time to develop the condition, so in some cases 

it will take a long time to repair. Unfortunately, the damage may be so 

severe at a certain point that the remedies may only support the remaining 

integrity of the optic cells and prevent further deterioration. I hope this 

helps.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: aquaus humor

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:26:33 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> Hi,

>  does anyone know how to help this eye condition?  From what I have been

> told the 'gel' within the eye shrinks away from the outside of the eye.

> This is the first step before a detached retina.  Also what herbs are

good

> for a person with the very beginning of cataracts.

> Thank you,

> Terri



In a situation where a natural substance is becoming smaller than normal

quantity, that is yin depletion by definition.



Eye care would include proanthocyanins (like found in blueberries),

essential fatty acids (highly recommended), antioxidants like Co-Q10 (very

strongly indicated in eye problems) vitamins C & E, vitamin A, and the

amino acid L-Cysteine. A product like Twinlab's Ocuguard is quite a good

choice, and they make (for a few months longer, it's being discontinued)

something called Maxilife something or other for the eyes, and though

expensive, it is the best nutritional basis for eye care on the market.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: plant pictures

From: "marco valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:43:03 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it> :



Hi gentlepeople,



I am looking for photo pictures of the following plants:

Coleus forskohlii

Commiphora mukul

Marsdenia reichenbachii

Pilosella off.

Pygeum africanum



Any indication and help will be much appreciated.



NB:  I have already checked the most obviuos sites, like Henriette's and

Moore's, plus a number of botanical sites.



TIA for the help



Marco



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: cervical cancer

From: "Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@larc.nasa.gov>

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:48:41 -0500

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Hello Everyone;

    I need to know what are the particular herbs one can take for 

cervical cancer.

My daughter's pap smear came back positive. The doctor said that the test shows

possible cervical cancer.  He wants more test taken to be absolutely sure.



Thank you,

Michelle Cook



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cervical cancer

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:02:15 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@larc.nasa.gov> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:

>    I need to know what are the particular herbs one can take for 

>cervical cancer.

>My daughter's pap smear came back positive. 



Sorry to hear that, but you've got the wrong approach. It's not "what herb is

good for cervical cancer", it's "which herbs can help your daughter". And that

needs so much information that I suggest a visit with a good practitioner.



>The doctor said that the test shows

>possible cervical cancer.  He wants more test taken to be absolutely sure.



Before you panic you should wait for the follow-up tests.



Good luck.

Henriette



--

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cervical cancer

From: HHNM@aol.com

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:24:22 EDT

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I agree with the last responder who stated that "herbs for cervical cancer" 

is not exactly the correct approach. We all are students of the herbal arts, 

but it is very important to understand that there is no one herb or remedy 

that can cancel out negative health. The idea of herbalism and the medicinal 

use of herbs is to help support the body's own healing mechanism to bring it 

back to a relative state of homeostasis. This takes time and the body has to 

be made strong again through GOOD nutrition and the avoidance of any 

substances that are further taxing the body. I also agree that it will be 

best to wait for the results of the test. If possible, it might be a good 

idea to also have a second Pap done to confirm the first diagnosis. You must 

then see a naturopathic or herbal practitioner who will be able to suggest 

alternatives for you to think about. 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cervical cancer

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:41:02 -0400

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Hi Michelle..

Do not panic, I've had several positive Pap tests and the 'thread' of

cervical cancer, had several colcospocys and am now having negative

Pap's..If caught early, cryoic procedures can freeze off the cells. I am

also convinced that turmeric helped the situation, as well as tea made

from the iner bark of the Great American hornbeam ( Ironwood).I also

drank a lot of red clover tea..

I wish you the best..C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cervical cancer

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:33:27 EDT

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In a message dated 4/14/00 11:19:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HHNM@aol.com 

writes:



<< I agree with the last responder who stated that "herbs for cervical 

cancer" 

 is not exactly the correct approach. We all are students of the herbal arts, 

 but it is very important to understand that there is no one herb or remedy 

 that can cancel out negative health. The idea of herbalism and the medicinal 

 use of herbs is to help support the body's own healing mechanism to bring it 

 back to a relative state of homeostasis. This takes time and the body has to 

 be made strong again through GOOD nutrition and the avoidance of any 

 substances that are further taxing the body. I also agree that it will be 

 best to wait for the results of the test. If possible, it might be a good 

 idea to also have a second Pap done to confirm the first diagnosis. You must 

 then see a naturopathic or herbal practitioner who will be able to suggest 

 alternatives for you to think about. 

  >>



Oh yes herbs can be of great assistance.  Check out the Ingrid Naiman's site 

www.cancersalves.com, in which she details years of working with herbs in 

developing her cancer salves.  We've used some for cervical cancer in 

suppository form.  This is a science all it's own and very well developed, 

and of interest to all who use herbs for healing.  The book is a course unto 

itself and has formulas for making your own remedies in this area.  Highly 

recommended.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH, N.D.

Professional Consultations/Online Classes-Registration thru 4/10/00

Botanical Pharmacy, Burtonsville, Md.

Catalogue thru:  Herbgrow30@aol.com

Specializing in Substance Abuse/Addictions Counseling

                                                ***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cervical cancer

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:51:35 EDT

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In a message dated 04/14/2000 11:34:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

Herbgrow30@aol.com writes:



<< Oh yes herbs can be of great assistance.  Check out the Ingrid Naiman's 

site 

 www.cancersalves.com, in which she details years of working with herbs in 

 developing her cancer salves.  We've used some for cervical cancer in 

 suppository form.  This is a science all it's own and very well developed, 

 and of interest to all who use herbs for healing.  The book is a course unto 

 itself and has formulas for making your own remedies in this area.  Highly 

 recommended. >>



I strongly second what Mary says about Ingrid, her book and her site - and 

she is one author that not only knows her subject but will communicate with 

you - try it - AND check out this link as well "cancercenter.com/home/" with 

the appropriate www prefix.  These folks are on the leading edge of both 

allopathic and alternative approaches to the treatment of the disease and 

follow an integrative philosophy.  Call them and talk to them as well.

best of luck

peter



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cervical cancer

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 01:08:52 -0700

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>Sent to the herblist by m.i.cook@larc.nasa.gov :

>

>Hello Everyone;

>    I need to know what are the particular herbs one can take for

>cervical cancer.

>My daughter's pap smear came back positive. The doctor said that the test

>shows

>possible cervical cancer.  He wants more test taken to be absolutely sure.

>

>Thank you,

>Michelle Cook

>

>---

Michelle, by all means she should get more tests. There could be another

pap, a closer look with magnification (colposcopy), possibly a biopsy

during this procedure. Depending on the practioner and the size of the

lesion,  they may attempt to remove the whole lesion while doing the

biopsy. There is a range of ways to use alternative therapy to treat this

from adjunctive to complete treatment- if it is the right kind of dysplasia.

 The best way to follow thru on this would be to go to a practioner who is

famiular with escharotic therapy. Tori Hudson ND and Molly Linton ND

published an article on their success with the cases they have treated.

They are very specific on what kind of cancer or dyspalsia they will treat-

only if the lesion is visible and doesn't dissapear into the os of the

cervix. The draw backs to exclusive alternative treatment is cost out of

pocket instead of insurance paid, the escharotic treatment needs to be done

in office 2x/week. There are fairly commited treatments you will need to

follow throught with at home six nights a week. and daily supplements to

take.



sample of the at home topical application schedule:

week 1 vitamin A suppository nightly for 6 nights,

Week 2 herbal vaginal suppository nightly for 6 nights, myrrh, echinacea,

usnea,berberis,althea,

          geranium, yarrow

Week 3 vitamin A suppository nightly for 6 nights

Week 4 herbal vag. suppository nightly for 6 nights



systemic treatment- this is going to be a 3-6 month treatment plan. Vit C

(6 grams/day), beta carotene (150,000 units/day), folic acid (up to 10 mg

per day for 3 mo; then 2.5 mg/day)

                 Botanical formula to be taken 1/2 tsp BID  trifolium (2 drams)



taraxacum root (3 drams)



Glycerrhiza root (2 drams)



berberis rhizome (1 dram)



Vegan diet for 3-6 mo is recommended



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cervical cancer

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 01:36:19 -0700

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I forgot to say with my first post that you can use the herbal and dietary

recommendations even with tradtional treatment and you could probably start

on it even before the next dr appointment.

Things to do: stop smoking , improve overall digestion and elimination,

stress reduction. things that have some effect try to change if possible-

oral contraceptives?, chronic vaginitis?,herpes? exposure to toxins? immune

status- is she on predsnone or any other immune supressive therapy?

 I would toss the tampons too.

    Most of the time HPV is the root cause of cervical cancer,  it can be

dormant for 20 years or if you are a smoker it can show up with-in 1-3 yrs

post exposure. HPV is epidemic right now maybe 70-80% young sexually active

folks have it.



How to make the suppository- just mix the herbs in with some cocoa butter,

form them and put them in the fridge.  Given that vitamin A is absorbed by

the mucous membrane directly I would consider making a green bolus of

geranium and yarrow, and using the others dried. this is all going to be a

bit messy so wear a pad at night.



hope this helps, sharon in tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cervical cancer

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:19:36 -0700

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> Most of the time HPV is the root cause of cervical cancer,  



From the standpoint of biochemical materialism, that may be accurate. Bob

Flaws has written a book about this...I don't recall the title, but he has

pushed this theory in the Chinese healing community for many years.



HPV is still a microbe that has a terrain it lives in, so I personally

would consider it a secondary cause. Constitutional homeopathy can change

the substrate and perhaps drive out the bug. 



Cryotherapy (freezing tissue) is suppressive from a homeopathic

standpoint, fyi.



>it can be dormant for 20 years or if you are a smoker it can show up

with-in 1-3 yrs

> post exposure. HPV is epidemic right now maybe 70-80% young sexually

active

> folks have it.



It's dormancy/appearance patterns are also a good demonstration that it is

not a root cause, but rather a secondary cause.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cervical cancer

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:26:17 -0700

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Paul wrote>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>HPV is still a microbe that has a terrain it lives in, so I personally

>would consider it a secondary cause. Constitutional homeopathy can change

>the substrate and perhaps drive out the bug.

>

>Cryotherapy (freezing tissue) is suppressive from a homeopathic

>standpoint, fyi.



Are you recommending only homeopathic treatment?

 Are all attempts at topical removal considered to be suppressive?  Cold

knife, laser, podophyllum and the escharotic? or just the freezing?

sharon in tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: cervical cancer

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@juno.com>

Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:20:30 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@juno.com> :



Paul,

I don't understand the primary cause of this line of thinking that

homeopathy might cure (if we say HPV could be a seconday cause). I have

read that thuja addresses HPV. HPV is genital warts. Right? If I am

totally wrong, please let me know. I would really like to understand

this????

Thanks a million.

Linda



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cervical cancer

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:55:03 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com> :



>Sent to the herblist by Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@juno.com> :

>

>Linda wrote>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>I don't understand the primary cause of this line of thinking that

>homeopathy might cure (if we say HPV could be a seconday cause). I have

>read that thuja addresses HPV. HPV is genital warts. Right? If I am

>totally wrong, please let me know. I would really like to understand

>this????



I am not a homeopath, but I too think that HPV is secondary- first are

changes in the body that open it up to being sick. If HPV does not always =

cancer then why? One of things we known is that smokers are at higher risk.

We also know that smokers have lower levels of vitamin C, folate and

vitamin A, and that women with cervical dysplasia and cancer have low and

lower levels of these nutrients. So I can look at the dx of HPV or

dysplasia  as a sign that things need to be changed, diet, lifestyle.

sharon in tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cervical cancer

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:47:12 -0700

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> Paul wrote>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> >HPV is still a microbe that has a terrain it lives in, so I personally

> >would consider it a secondary cause. Constitutional homeopathy can

change

> >the substrate and perhaps drive out the bug.

> >

> >Cryotherapy (freezing tissue) is suppressive from a homeopathic

> >standpoint, fyi.

> 

> Are you recommending only homeopathic treatment?



Since this is a terrain issue, homeopathy is a crucial part of any cure.



>  Are all attempts at topical removal considered to be suppressive?  Cold

> knife, laser, podophyllum and the escharotic? or just the freezing?

> sharon in tucson



All the same. From the homeopathic perspective, suppression of symptoms,

especially of miasmatic symptoms, is not healthful. Of course, people

suppress genital warts partly out of fear of spreading the illness, and

that makes some sense, but the real issue is when are people going to

clean all the old venereal diseases out of their family tree? You have to

start somewhere.



It isn't surprising that HPV is rampant. The forebearers of 'modern'

people, just a few human lifetimes back, were raging cesspools of

syphilis, gonorrhea, and a lot of other major terrain disorders as well.

There is plenty of utility of herbs in this matter, but the general rule I

apply is: 'If a problem results from the person's own actions and life,

then herbs and lifestyle correction are primary. If it is from the lives

of others (their forebearers), then homeopathy is primary.'



[Btw, I'm back in town, and under much less time-pressure; some of you are

awaiting email replies. I should catch up this weekend.]



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: a relief for arthritis

From: "jared reaves" <jaredreaves@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:34:39

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I have rhuematiod arthritis and would like to know what herds I can take to 

relieve the pain and possible cure it.  As it is now I am having to have my 

son type this message



                   Jared Reaves



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: american licorice

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 01:51:19 -0700

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>Sent to the herblist by tmueller@bluegrass.net :

>

>>I use licorice for that. Strengthens the adrenals, helps your lungs, soothes

>>your gut, -and- gives almost any tincture a good taste.

>

>So do I (licorice), but I don't like to use licorice with every herbal brew.

>Which licorice do you use, European (Glycyrrhiza glabra) or Chinese

>(G. uralensis)?  I have been using the Chinese species recently because of

>availability at a Chinese grocery store.  It seems the Chinese species is

>less sweet.  There is also a rarely seen American species whose Latin name I

>can't remember.

>

Glycyrrhiza lepotada ( atleast in eastern Washington)- far more bitter to

my taste than G glabra.

Sharon now in Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Epilepsy

From: HHNM@aol.com

Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 07:28:20 EDT

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What is a good recommendation for grand mal epilepsy? Person refuses to take 

prescriptions at this point due to the terrible side effects when taken in 

the past. Valerian and Passiflora are now being used at night to promote 

restful sleep. Mineral supplementation of manganese and the B complex 

vitamins will also be added. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Gotu Kola, 

Feverfew, Scullcap? Thanks.  



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Epilepsy

From: "Judith Thamm" <galingale@chariot.net.au>

Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:43:17 +0930

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> What is a good recommendation for grand mal epilepsy? Person refuses

to take

> prescriptions at this point due to the terrible side effects when

taken in

> the past. Valerian and Passiflora are now being used at night to

promote

> restful sleep. Mineral supplementation of manganese and the B

complex

> vitamins will also be added. Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Mulungu or Erythrina mulungu "is used in Brazil and Peru as a mild

hypnotic sedative to calm the nervous system, eliminate hysteria,

decrease insomnia and promote healthy sleeping patterns by sedating

overactive neurotransmitters.  Mulungu has also been used to treat

epilepsy."



You would have to look up where to get on the net.  I have it in

Australia.

Judith.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Epilepsy

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:58:01 -0700

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>Sent to the herblist by HHNM@aol.com :

>

>What is a good recommendation for grand mal epilepsy? Person refuses to take

>prescriptions at this point due to the terrible side effects when taken in

>the past. Valerian and Passiflora are now being used at night to promote

>restful sleep. Mineral supplementation of manganese and the B complex

>vitamins will also be added. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Gotu Kola,

>Feverfew, Scullcap? Thanks.

>



one guy I know who was having fairly constant seizure, the medicine wasn't

helping him so he tried alot of things and finally got some relief with

Saint John'swort tincture. He ran out for a week and started having

problems again. So I wouldn't say it was curative but it certainly

palative.    Sharon in Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Epilepsy

From: HHNM@aol.com

Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 07:37:44 EDT

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My thanks to all who answered my requests about epilepsy therapy options. It 

is appreciated.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Epilepsy

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:14:57 -0700

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> What is a good recommendation for grand mal epilepsy? Person refuses

> to take  prescriptions at this point due to the terrible side

> effects when taken in  the past. Valerian and Passiflora are now

> being used at night to promote  restful sleep. Mineral

> supplementation of manganese and the B complex  vitamins will also

> be added. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Gotu Kola, 

> Feverfew, Scullcap? Thanks.  



All forms of seizure are due to wind, as understood in Chinese theory. 



Wind stirs primarily from low-vitality stillness (qi stagnation). So all

practices that reduce stagnation (exercise, dry brushing, yoga, qi moving

herbs like bupleurum or mint, massage, acupuncture, essential oils) are

useful. 



There are forms of seizure pattern that are accompanied by great deals of

phlegm---these are wind-phlegm attacks, and have to be treated by removing

phlegm and aiding digestion. For such patterns, use expectorants.



Constitutional homeopathy is the only curative route known.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Epilepsy

From: HHNM@aol.com

Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:59:25 EDT

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Thank you Paul, for the homeopathic info. This is my next move. Thanks again.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Epilepsy

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:51:22 -0500

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Hi. I have a question for you all. I have been unable to find an herb

that is used for seizures! Unbelievable-in all the books I have there is

not one reference to epilepsy. I will look under seizures. My sister has

very small seizures during the PMS time. Doctors suspect that it has to

do with scar tissue on the brain. They have put her on Tegretol, which I

don't like. She doesn't want to hear the side effects. 

Paul, what does chinese medicine say seizures are? I think the Web That

Has No Weaver references it but that was it.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Linda :)



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Epilepsy

From: Pamela Quayle <herbgatherer@snet.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:29:37 -0400

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> Hi. I have a question for you all. I have been unable to find an herb

> that is used for seizures!



I have a tape by Tierona Low Dog, a class she did a few years ago, where she

mentions that she has epilepsy and has controlled it for years using basically

valerian and black cohosh.  Black cohosh is a wonderful antispasmodic and might

help with the PMS, too.



pamela



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Epilepsy

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:46:01 -0500

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I wonder if black cohosh and valerian would be advised for scar tissue

caused seizures??  I am not sure it would be the same as epilepsy. I

REALLY appreciate your input.

Linda



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cervical cancer, long

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:58:13 -0500 (CDT)

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On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Michelle I. Cook wrote:

> Sent to the herblist by m.i.cook@larc.nasa.gov :

> Hello Everyone;

>     I need to know what are the particular herbs one can take for 

> cervical cancer. My daughter's pap smear came back positive. The doctor

> said that the test shows possible cervical cancer. 



As a ovarian cancer survivor I know how difficult it is to find info

regarding the treatment of cancer.  I have lot's of info to share.

However, I am not a doctor so please understand that I am offering

information for dialogue, I am not recommending these as treatments.



The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine by Murray & Pizzorno (both N. D.s)

has a section (pgs. 204 -208) on cervical dysplasia (pre-cancer) that

probably applies -



They discuss nutritional deficiencies that lead to dyplasia and the

developement of cervical cancer including vitamin A and beta carotene,

vitamin C, folic acid, pyridoxine (B6) and selenium.  They also recommend

supplementaion of B12 with folic acid intake, vitamin E and Zinc

(picolinate).  If I were facing cancer again I would

take this kind of

information to the Duke's Ethnobotanical database and find the herbs and

foods that are high in these nutritional constituents.



(Carrots, oats, peaches,  squash, dandelion geerns & root, parsley, milk

thistle, burdock root...)



The Complete Book of Natural Medicines and Cures from Prevention Magazine

also has a lot to say about cervical dyplasia and cancer -



pages 39 - 41 discuss eating beans to deal with various cancer

[beans are a good source of folate/folic acid]

"Beans contain two potentially effective cancer fighters- phytate and

protease inhibitors- that can either help prevent or arrest cancer at the

cellular level...even a minor folate deficiency can apparently make the

DNA in cervical cells vulnerable...sometimes tranform the cells into a

cancer friendly habitat doctors label cervical dyplasia"



Recently I also noticed that my oatmeal box shows oats to be a good source

of folate. 



In other places they recommend cherries, dark leafy greens including

watercress, dark lettuces,spinach, bok choy, swiss chard, to get the beta

carotene needed to fight off cervical cancer, FRESH GREENS!



Squashes (fresh!) to get beta cartene, folate and vitamin C 



Sweet potatoes for beta carotene (and most other yellow orangy plant

foods, which makes me wonder if things like elder flowers would help)



Tomatoes - for lycopene (which is also known to reduce the risk fopr men

of contracting prostate cancer).



I know there is more info out there on this subject.  But I need to go to

yoga class now, which would also be good for anyone facing any cancer.  In

one of his books Chopra talks about meditation as the most useful,

non-western, non-drug related method for cancer patients in the cancer

ordeal.  Apparently there are studies out there showing inducing deep

relaxation in your body is an effective way of overcoming existing cancer,

even when you don't use conventional medicinal techniques.



Also, there are studies out now showing ntritional deficiences are often

leading risk factors in various cancers.  You can make sure your

nutritional

intake isufficient for fighting cancer withiout "treating" yourself with

herbs at medicinal levels.  My western doctors support my use of herbs

enthusiastically when they hear me talk about supplementing my nutrition

levels with herbs.



Good luck!



Barbara  



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Milk Thistle

From: ruby <ruby@industryinet.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:51:58 -0700

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Hello!  I am wondering about making some milk thistle tincture. Some

plants I see are starting to fuzz out, while still having some unfuzzed

flowers on them.  Are these still alright to use?  Is it only the

flowers that get infused???



I have another question regarding hot alcohol extraction.....  I have

some usnea, and all the brands I see in the hf store are labled hot

alcohol extracted.  I am wondering if everclear will explode if heated

slightly....  Can anyone give me some input please?



Thanks in advance,



--

Health, Hope, Joy & Healing :

 May you Prosper, even as your Soul Prospers



Jennifer



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 07:55:38 +0300

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ruby <ruby@industryinet.com> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:

>Hello!  I am wondering about making some milk thistle tincture. Some

>plants I see are starting to fuzz out, while still having some unfuzzed

>flowers on them.  Are these still alright to use?  Is it only the

>flowers that get infused???



You use the seeds. Crush them up first, the strongest part is the inside skin.

Sure, green parts contain some silymarin, but not much. They're very tasty in

salads, though, after you've removed the spines; scissors are best for that.

Sort of almost salty, almost scratchy.

Flowers? Pass.



>I have another question regarding hot alcohol extraction.....  I have

>some usnea, and all the brands I see in the hf store are labled hot

>alcohol extracted.  I am wondering if everclear will explode if heated

>slightly....  Can anyone give me some input please?



You DO NOT want to use hot alcohol if you do not have a laboratory equipped to

deal with inflammable fluids and gases. 

Alcohol evaporates at 70 deg. C (or so), which is -way- below the boiling point

of water. Alcohol fumes in the air will burn about as fast as gasoline, if

ignited. It ignites when it's dense enough, or if it gets to an open flame.



For your health and the health of others in your house, don't.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

                 -+- Added more to King's Dispensatory -+-

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:12:32 -0400

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Everclear will potentially explode if heated and hot alcohol extractions

are generally done in a laboratory with proper hood, etc.  The heat

source doesn't need to be near the liquid for the fumes to be ignited. 

Personally I buy them.



Usneic acid is extracted with high hot alcohol, but usneic acid isn't the

only thing going with usnea.  Cherrie Capps, who used to be on this list

told me that her students were getting results from decocted usnea.  You

might decoct some, reduce it down in a crock pot and infuse other usnea

in the Everclear, then add together. 



 It's potentially flamable, but I know one herbalist who adds everclear

to a warmed decoction, in a pot much larger than needed since it can

create a volcano- obviously this is dangerous, can't be done in a

fire-prone area (like my kitchen or most houses!), and must not be done

anywhere near an open flame.  



Earle Sweete (wizard@herbmed.com) makes a recirculating percolation bell

that has properly designed external heating elements, which sells for

somewhere in the neighborhood of $1000.  I was impressed by the tinctures

he had made with it at the Green Nations Gathering two years ago,

although usnea wasn't one he had on display.(nci)



Milk thistle is used as seed (unless you are making a flower essence,

which is another story.)  I'll leave it to some of the growers on the

list to explain how to harvest it, which can be tricky.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

There are only two ways to experience life.  One is as though nothing is

a miracle.  The other is as though everything is.-  Albert Einstein



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: R: FDA & saw palmetto, nettle

From: "marco valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:10:37 +0200

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Dear Karen, Elliot and Paul (and anyone else I forgot)



thank you for your comments about Serenoa, Urtica and US situation, I will

keep the list informed on the Italian situation and on our freedom to eat

'risotto alle ortiche'.



Cheers



Marco



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Licorice Question

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:48:50 -0400

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I have mild hypertension, for which I take a low dose of Attenolol (25

mg.).  Yesterday, when buying herbs at a local herb farm, I got in on a

conversation with the owner and another gentleman, in which the owner

was cautioning about using licorice with the other man's reported high

blood pressure problem.  I knew that licorice can cause high BP.  I

asked just how big a problem he thought it was, and he said it depended

on how much one used.  I have several cups of Yogi and Traditional

Medicinals (nci) herb tea a day, most flavored with small amounts of

licorice.  He advised that I should be able to get off the BP medication

with English hawthorne, but that I should not expect it to counteract

glycirrhiza intake.  Can anyone comment or advise?



Thanks,

May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Licorice Question

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:36:05 -0400

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Although some people claim to have very direct reactions to licorice,

most documented studies show a negligible effect except where the

licorice consumed was in candy form and a great deal was taken.



No harm in trying to substitute a stevia-sweetened tea for a short while

and seeing if it makes a difference to you though.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

There are only two ways to experience life.  One is as though nothing is

a miracle.  The other is as though everything is.-  Albert Einstein



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: chewing tobacco

From: "Kristin Wolfgram" <kristinwolfgram@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:04:21 CDT

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What do use suggest to help quit using chewing tobacco?



Desperate



Kristin Wolfgram



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: chewing tobacco

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:14:50 -0700

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> What do use suggest to help quit using chewing tobacco?

> 

> Desperate



Acupuncture. Oral-fixation habits are hard to shake, but all nicotine

habituation is qi stagnation. Remove the stagnation, the cravings will go

down.



You might try chewing danggui (Angelica sinensis). It's pretty good

tasting, if strong, and it will numb the mouth something like tobacco. If

you have a Chinatown nearby, see if you can find some that is still

spongy, that's the best. You may also try sucking bitter root (calamus),

which is quite cleansing (but very bitter).



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Insect Bite

From: Eloriel <eloriel@mindspring.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:26:36 -0400

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Gardening war wounds. Thought it was one of those ants that would just raise

a little blister. Must've been a spider of some sort. The bite was yesterday

afternoon, on the outside of my arm, half way between wrist and elbow. Today

most of that side of the arm is swollen, red and itchy, the large center

area quite hard.



Would a bruised fresh plantain leaf poultice help at this point? Other

suggestions?



Thanks in advance,



Eloriel



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Insect Bite

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:33:46 -0400

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The plantain can do no harm, change the poultice often, also drink a bit

of the plantain as tea..Spiderbites can be tough..there usually is a

blister after two days or so..

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Insect Bite

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:35:43 -0500

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I have also heard echinacea internally up to every 15 min. as needed and

externally as well. Spider bites are nothing to play around with. 

Linda S.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Insect Bite

From: HHNM@aol.com

Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:24:54 EDT

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My husband was bitten by something nasty last week, too. I immediately 

started goldenseal and propopolis tincture three to four times a day, orally, 

and echinacea poultice three times a day to the affected site, which was on 

the outer aspect of the lower arm. I am also an advocate of colloidal silver, 

so he took 1/2 tsp. twice a day for three days, too. Echinacea tea, three 

times a day. Within two days the swelling had gone down a bit, as had the 

redness. Today the site is healed, with no residual problems. (He has a 

tendency to blow up like a balloon at the site of the bite). Hope this can be 

of help to you, too. 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Insect Bite

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:03:22 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com> :



>Sent to the herblist by Eloriel <eloriel@mindspring.com> :

>

>Gardening war wounds. Thought it was one of those ants that would just raise

>a little blister. Must've been a spider of some sort. The bite was yesterday

>afternoon, on the outside of my arm, half way between wrist and elbow. Today

>most of that side of the arm is swollen, red and itchy, the large center

>area quite hard.

>

>Would a bruised fresh plantain leaf poultice help at this point? Other

>suggestions?

>

>Thanks in advance,

>

>Eloriel

>

>

Yes it will still work, a well maserated wad of plantain leaf, is great. I

have also used fresh aloe vera on a brown recluse bite that was already

granulating and it took down the swelling and helped heal the area leaving

no scar.   Sharon in Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Insect Bite

From: Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:27:17 -0400

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>

>

> >Sent to the herblist by Eloriel <eloriel@mindspring.com> :

>snip: Must've been a spider of some sort.   <snip>

>

> >Eloriel



Ok, so everyone knows my response to this allegation.  Probably not... but 

RARELY possibly.  See archives if interested in my tantrums re: alleged 

'spider bites'



Scott Carlton

carlton@mint.net



  "Naturalphoto's Web Site":  http://www.Geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/7136/ 

photos, spider taxonomy, Carlton Family History, more!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Insect Bite

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:03:40 -0700

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> My husband was bitten by something nasty last week, too. I immediately 

> started goldenseal and propopolis tincture three to four times a

> day, orally,  and echinacea poultice three times a day to the

> affected site, which was on  the outer aspect of the lower arm.



I am reading Abram Hoffer's new book, Vitamin C & Cancer, which is very

interesting (but very badly edited). In it, he references studies where up

to many tens of grams of vitamin C were injected into bite sufferers, and

a sufficient dose to maintain ascorbate blood levels was hard to find.

Apparently, if you get bitten by something, you basically have

instantaneous scurvy.



Interesting implications on the amount of 'time' the body takes to heal

such insults.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cold hands and feet

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:16:38 -0400 (EDT)

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Actually I took one pound (453.6 grams) Siberian Ginseng (Eleutherococcus

senticosus) in fall-winter 1996-97.  I remember struggling for breath during the

early hours Nov 5, 1996 after eating Poblano pepper (Capsicum, slightly hot) the

previous supper.  I had a herbal brew ready, including lobelia, that helped me

over the immediate crisis, since I was aware of some danger, but it took me

about 40 days to recover from episodes of violent coughing and/or chest

tightness, especially at night.  I believe green tea would have shortened that

recovery time considerably.  I still haven't found any way to take cayenne

safely without asthmatic consequences; eggplant and potato figure to be worse

for me.



I get exercise, mostly walking.



I have used wool-blend socks at night, not really adequate; hair dryer is

better for warming cold feet.  I also use the hair dryer to warm feet that get

cold from being outdoors, since the feet don't warm up at winter room

temperatures.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cold hands and feet

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:17:14 -0400

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Uh Thomas-



Why are you taking cayenne at all if you are allergic to it?  There are

always other ways to accomplish your herbal goals.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

There are only two ways to experience life.  One is as though nothing is

a miracle.  The other is as though everything is.-  Albert Einstein



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cold hands and feet

From: trice <gudrun@alaska.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:08:49 -0800

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hello,



this is the first time i've tried posting from digest mode so i

apologize in advance if i mess up.  i've had two knee surgeries in two

years, so . . . 



do you by any chance have vascular headaches?  (i'm thinking migraines,

or possibly cluster headaches in men may be vascular, but i am NOT in

the medical profession, so look this up or consult a professional)  The

reason i ask is that i do have migraines, and one of my doctors told me

that many long term migraineurs also have a history of coldness in their

hands and feet. which makes a certain kind of sense when you think about

it.  if you do have vascular headaches, you might want to consider

looking for your triggers in addition to the other problems you

mentioned. jmho. 

good luck.



patricia

gudrun@alaska.net



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cold hands and feet

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:20:30 -0400 (EDT)

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I never thought of a connection between vascular headaches and cold feet, but

no, I don't get any serious headaches.



Are you (gudrun@alaska.net), as your domain name suggests, in Alaska?  Do you

get cold feet in winter?  January mean temperature varies considerably across

Alaska, but even in the far southeast, with January mean temperature slightly

above freezing, I couldn't keep feet warm in all the cold rain with temperature

barely above freezing.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle/Usnea

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:16:42 -0400 (EDT)

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>

Usneic acid is extracted with high hot alcohol, but usneic acid isn't the

only thing going with usnea.  Cherrie Capps, who used to be on this list

told me that her students were getting results from decocted usnea.  You

might decoct some, reduce it down in a crock pot and infuse other usnea

in the Everclear, then add together. 

>



What results, what therapeutic benefits, did the students get from decocted

usnea?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle/Usnea

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:38:21 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by Peter Byram <nehrbsup@aol.com> :



In a message dated 04/20/2000 12:43:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

victoria2@erols.com writes:



<< I've

 sent them numerous e-mails over the past few days, but they don't respond.

 If anyone can tell me what the symptoms are then I'll do that before I

 start the cleanse.  I can't seem to get information about how to tell. >>



Victoria, 



E-mail me the list of ingredients - in the order given on the package - OFF 

LIST - and I will respond to whether or not the stuff will even begin to 

address a parasite problem.  Some do - some do toooooo much - and some don't 

and it is better to address this correctly to begin with.  The simple answer 

to your "what do they do?" question  is they most commonly raise a lot of 

hell in the intestinal tract  - sometimes called infectious diarrhea.   



Parasites, generally, because there are over 400 of the little critters that 

can and do mess with the human body, can manifest themselves in almost as 

many ways.   If you want to do the "clinical"  thing, you can get a test from 

any doctor - including naturopaths - that will test for the most common 

protozoa (Entamoeba, giardia, trichomonas, cryptosporidium, Iodamoeba, 

E-coli,  etc and Helminths or worms like hookworm, pinworm, tapeworm, 

threadworm, roundworm, whipworm, etc.  Saying that you can see all parasites 

in a stool sample is foolish better than 80% of the 400 plus are only visible 

to the eye of a microscope.  This is not to say that they don't really raise 

hell in the intestinal tract and have a number of secondary problems that 

result from the infestation - they do - and sometimes big time, and I have 

seen times where conventional medicine has failed to deal with the problem 

and after months of on and off diarrhea and any number of other problemns 

like fatigue a good "parasite purge" formula can - in due time- restore the 

individual to balance.  One thing to remember when dealing with parasites is 

that you need to "treat" for a minimum of 21 days and preferrably 28 since 

for certain of these little bugs their reproductive cycle is that long and 

since they lay eggs constantly, there will be some that are not killled in 

their non-adult stage that will survive the initial treatment.  I read 

somewhere - "way back when" that worms and most amoebic parasites have eigher 

7, 14, 21 or 28 day cycles and have always used that as a guide to treatment 

of this kind of problem.  The other thing to remember is that while you 

certainly can pick stuff up around your own neighborhood and general locale, 

and certainly in mexico and central/south america, there are some bugs, 

generally unknown around the US that are prolific in Europe and Asia.  I have 

also found that anyone visiting the former Soviet Union should have a "purge" 

just on general principals.  One report I read indicated that over 70 or 75% 

of the waterways over there have parasites and while the "locals" have bodies 

that have acclimated to them, the visitor will pick them up and because of 

the gestation period of 14 -28 days, very often the people never even think 

of their vacation as being a source of the problem.  I had one client that 

visited Denmark - near the border and had this as a problem -  -  



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle/Usnea

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:19:38 -0400

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<<What results, what therapeutic benefits, did the students get from

decocted usnea?>>



I don't know whether any of them tried it for strep, but they were using

it to clear up deep respiratory illnesses and flu complications for the

most part.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

There are only two ways to experience life.  One is as though nothing is

a miracle.  The other is as though everything is.-  Albert Einstein



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle/Usnea

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:31:24 -0400

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Hi Karen,

 Boneset (Eupatorium perfoliatum) is good to 'grab' deep down into the

lungs..at least that's what my Odawa Indian friends have taught me..they

use Usnea for other things.

C-M

Natives do not have exact measurements, but this is the tea we make for

people who have long lingering resperatory coughs etc.

one part inner bark of wild cherry ( from limbs the size of an arm)

one part mint

one part boneset

1/2  part red birchbark             all dried herbs

one part mullein

Stirfry the Mullein in a dry pan, add some water, bring to a low boil,

add the rest of the ingredients, cook down well,take of the fire, add

equal parts of honey and highproof alcohol ( Vodka). Bottle, use a tsp.

at a time in a glass of hot water.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle/Usnea

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:59:16 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :



Christa Maria wrote:



> Natives do not have exact measurements, but this is the tea we make for

> people who have long lingering resperatory coughs etc.

> one part inner bark of wild cherry ( from limbs the size of an arm)

> one part mint

> one part boneset

> 1/2  part red birchbark             all dried herbs

> one part mullein



What species exactly is red birch?



May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle/Usnea

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:24:26 -0400

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Sorry, but my Odawa natives can not tell me the name, the Elders do not

use botanical names...It's Birch, where the bark that scrolls from it

naturally, comes off burgundy, red looking..maybe someone else knows

that species..It's not the inner bark that always should only be taken

on the hottest, most humid day in Summer, this is bark that you see on

birches coming off by itself....if it would not be raining so hard and

my 80 acres with birches wouldn't be an hour north..I would

investigate..Most likely it's from a very young paperwhite birch for

those still have a lot of  that color on their main treetrunk.

Native American's do not learn from the books, their plants are

described by season, habitat, legends etc.

For instance, the plant that grows with it's feet in the muck,is usually

kneehigh or taller,

has leaves on both sides the same way and dirty white flowers on top

during elderberry gathering time, the one that the chiefs have to give

permission for a young maiden to use is:  'Boneset'...

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle/Usnea

From: Victoria Satta <victoria2@erols.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:40:59 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by victoria satta <victoria2@erols.com> :



Hi...



Before I start my herbs for a "spring cleaning" I want to know if anyone

can tell me what the physical manifestations of parasites are?  I'm dealing

with the company that I got the cleanse herbs from, and they told me that

if they are bad enough that I should see a doctor... is that right? I've

sent them numerous e-mails over the past few days, but they don't respond.

If anyone can tell me what the symptoms are then I'll do that before I

start the cleanse.  I can't seem to get information about how to tell.



Thanks,

Victoria



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Usnea/Echinacea/Astragalus

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:04:41 -0400

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Karen S Vaughan wrote:



> <<What results, what therapeutic benefits, did the students get from

> decocted usnea?>>

>

> I don't know whether any of them tried it for strep, but they were using

> it to clear up deep respiratory illnesses and flu complications for the

> most part.



In October and November of this past fall, I had two ear infections, a

lingering sinus infection, one of the flu-type illnesses that was going around,

and strep.  I tried hitting them all with echinacea tincture and garlic soup

(that was the flu weekend, good thing noone was home).  Nothing seemed to

help.  Then I switched to astragalus tincture, which I took every day.  Even

though I was exposed to a lot of illnesses, I was not sick again the entire

winter.  Of course, that could have been coincidental.



Anyone want to comment?



May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: 1. Weight Loss & 2. Dry Scalp

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:08:42 -0400

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I have two questions.  First, the $64,000 one:



Are there any herbs that help with weight loss?



And second, I seem to have developed an extremely dry scalp with

horrendous itching.  I don't really want chickweed ointment all over my

hair--wouldn't be good for my professional life!  Any suggestions?



Thanks,

May



--

Fur and feather and scale and skin

Different without but the same within

Great of body but one of soul

Through all creatures are the gods made whole



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss & 2. Dry Scalp

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:26:42 -0400

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Dry scalp:

A brew made from stinging nettles and rosemary might be very beneficial

to your scalp, however diet and soaps need to be attention given,

too....

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss & 2. Dry Scalp

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:28:05 -0400

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weight loss:

 Eat half of everything... eat a lot of watermelon, fill  you up, makes

you pee...etc.,etc..

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss & 2. Dry Scalp

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:52:54 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> weight loss:

>  Eat half of everything... eat a lot of watermelon, fill  you up, makes

> you pee...etc.,etc..

> C-M



While that might be a good strategy for minor weightloss in a young

person, it lacks for most. Weight loss is a fairly simple equation

generally involving the reduction of sedentary habits, and elimination of

digestion imbalancing circuits like fruit or sweet eating near meals.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss & 2. Dry Scalp

From: Victoria Satta <victoria2@erols.com>

Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:45:41 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by victoria satta <victoria2@erols.com> :



At 04:52 PM 04/20/00 -0700, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> Weight loss is a fairly simple equation

>generally involving the reduction of sedentary habits, and elimination of

>digestion imbalancing circuits like fruit or sweet eating near meals.



Hi Paul...



Paul, the above statement makes me feel pretty bad... it makes me think

that you have not ever had a severe weight problem.  It is not simple, and

it sure takes more than movement and the above fruit/sweet answer, doesn't

it?  I'm trying to understand how to "deal" with what I consider to be the

psychological "emotions" that seem to cause the physiological cravings for

the "full feeling" when eating or not eating carbs.  I think my problem is

carbohydrate addiction.  I've always known they are POISON for me, but I

don't seem to be able to stop eating them.  I think it's they "full

feeling"... is that what you mean by the digestion imbalancing circuits?



I have heard that fruit should be eaten ONLY in the a. m.  So I drink a

mixed fruit smoothie for breakfast with "safe" soy protien since I'm a

vegetarian. I'm assuming you mean eating "sugar, honey or fruit" prior to

eating meals, but what if that "is" the meal?  What about carrot juice?

It's sweet?  What happens when you mix carrot and parsley juice?  Can they

be juiced immediately after the a.m. smoothie?



I'm interested to hear your opinion.  :-)



Thanks,

Victoria



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss & 2. Dry Scalp

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:52:58 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> And second, I seem to have developed an extremely dry scalp with

> horrendous itching.  I don't really want chickweed ointment all over my

> hair--wouldn't be good for my professional life!  Any suggestions?



Find a good essential fatty acid supplement, like Health from the Sun's

Total EFA, probably the top-selling mixed EFA formula on the market.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss & 2. Dry Scalp

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:36:15 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> > Weight loss is a fairly simple equation

> >generally involving the reduction of sedentary habits, and elimination

of

> >digestion imbalancing circuits like fruit or sweet eating near meals.

> 

> Hi Paul...

> 

> Paul, the above statement makes me feel pretty bad... it makes me think

> that you have not ever had a severe weight problem. 



I can understand your feelings.



> It is not simple, and

> it sure takes more than movement and the above fruit/sweet answer,

doesn't

> it?  



The main constituent of weight loss for anyone not suffering from a

'metabolic disease' is reduction of sedentary habits and normalization of

digestion. I stand by that statement, and so do most health care experts

of whatever stripe.



>I'm trying to understand how to "deal" with what I consider to be the

> psychological "emotions" that seem to cause the physiological cravings

for

> the "full feeling" when eating or not eating carbs. 



Such cravings are signs of imbalanced digestion. When the stomach is

unable to extract sweet from the diet in its normal manner, cravings occur

(cravings can also result from such things as dehydration, overwork, lack

of minerals and vitamins, tiredness, and other lifestyle imbalances that

fall under 'imbalanced digestion' at least as partial causes).



> I think my problem is carbohydrate addiction.  I've always known they

are POISON for me, but I

> don't seem to be able to stop eating them.  I think it's they "full

> feeling"... is that what you mean by the digestion imbalancing circuits?



Fats, not carbs, are usually thought of for 'full feeling.' But so-called

carbohydrate addiction is an issue for many people, and it comes

fundamentally from, ta-da, sedentary habits and imbalanced digestion.



The most basic thing anyone can do to enhance their wellbeing is to

eliminate sweets and fruits around their meals, and in my experience,

fruits entirely if there are signs of poor digestion. A good 50% of nearly

anyone's 'cravings' (imbalanced digestion symptoms) are due to this.



> I have heard that fruit should be eaten ONLY in the a. m.  So I drink a

> mixed fruit smoothie for breakfast with "safe" soy protien since I'm a

> vegetarian. 



Well, I have considerable clinical experience calling that an error in

lifestyle. Fruit, for someone like you, should not be consumed at all.

Fruit and protein are not compatible. If you choose to eat a liquid

breakfast, mix your protein powder with nonfat milk. This sort of

convenience food, however, is generally an appropriate ADJUNCT, not a

'meal replacement.' 



 It is also not inherently the case that just anyone can be a vegetarian

healthfully. 



>I'm assuming you mean eating "sugar, honey or fruit" prior to

> eating meals, but what if that "is" the meal?  



Then, if you have cravings and other health imbalance signs, there's (at

least one tier of) your problem.



>What about carrot juice?



Carrot juice is also forbidden to those who don't manage sweets well.

That's a shocking amount of sugar, if you look into it. 



> It's sweet?  What happens when you mix carrot and parsley juice?  Can

they

> be juiced immediately after the a.m. smoothie?

> 

> I'm interested to hear your opinion.  :-)



Juicing fruits and sweet vegetables is not a healthful practice for anyone

suffering from cravings. Warm, cooked food, low in fat, and eliminating

sedentary habits (for instance, by taking a walk after each meal) is the

key.



I don't mean to sound flippant about your pain. But there are simple rules

to diet, and they won't change any time soon.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re:Usnea

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:23:35 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com> :



>Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :

>

><<What results, what therapeutic benefits, did the students get from

>decocted usnea?>>

>

>I don't know whether any of them tried it for strep, but they were using

>it to clear up deep respiratory illnesses and flu complications for the

>most part.

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com



I have used it with great success for sores on the toungue and throat (

canker sores- not herpes). Sinus infections- sometimes.

Have also used it in conjunction with some other herbs to treat cronic UTI.

Had started with desert willow and saint john's wort tincture which was ok

but the finishing touch was the usnea.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Usnea

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 06:02:38 -0400 (EDT)

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Is usnea useful only when there is a respiratory infection, or is it useful

against noninfectious irritations as well, such as allergies and asthma?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Usnea

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:50:44 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



<<Is usnea useful only when there is a respiratory infection, or is it

useful against noninfectious irritations as well, such as allergies and

asthma?>>



Personally I reserve it for strep and the like.  But it isn't abundant

here,  it requires Everclear which is  illegal in NY and the surrounding

states, and usneic acid has only a low extraction potential at normal

temperatures.



Usnea is a powerful antibacterial, a narrow-spectrum antibiotic which

inhibits gram positive bacteria (Strep, staph, mycobacteria including

tuberculosis, pneumococcus).  It is not very useful against gram negative

bacteria like salmonella and E. coli.  It is antifungal and

antiparasitic, active against trichomonas, chlymidia, candida, ringworm

and athletes' foot.  It is antispasmodic to the lung, which might make it

useful for asthma, and for the large intestine, which may make it useful

for dyssentery.  It is antipyretic as well and is used in Chinese

medicine to clear heat from the lungs.  Powdered usnea is hemostatic and

can also be used on ulcerated sores.



One caution.  I was told that to effectively use lichens for food, one

must develop the proper intestinal bacteria, which will grow if lichen is

used regularly, especially in areas where it normally grows. The

extraction process of a tincture may get around this requirement since

the lichen is broken down.  Long decoction may help at this too.  But

less intensive extractions may not be as effective unless the lichens and

other foods in their natural habitat are consumed regularly.  Another

indication for using local herbs when available.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

There are only two ways to experience life.  One is as though nothing is

a miracle.  The other is as though everything is.-  Albert Einstein



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Usnea

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:19:12 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> Personally I reserve it for strep and the like.  But it isn't abundant

> here,  it requires Everclear which is  illegal in NY and the surrounding

> states, and usneic acid has only a low extraction potential at normal

> temperatures.



It is commonly decocted in Chinese healing, so unless the use is

intentionally as an 'antibiotic' (as opposed to an herb chosen to resolve

disharmony, including eliminating 'toxin'), this is not really a major

issue. The correct spelling is 'usnic' acid, btw.



> It is antispasmodic to the lung, which might make it

> useful for asthma, 



It was a primary therapy for tuberculosis.



> One caution.  I was told that to effectively use lichens for food [...] 

Another

> indication for using local herbs when available.



I find this a bit odd: usnea is not considered edible by Tilford, in

'Edible and Medicinal Plants of the West,' and he is quite broad in

assigning that term. 



Further, let me state my opposition to this 'local herbs' idea. This is of

course a relatively modern theory, derived from the provincial folk

therapy Macrobiotics, and Chinese healing has a highly developed system of

healing that does not depend on it or even propose it. Furthermore, there

are botanical factors that greatly oppose this theory, such as the very

widespread habitat of a great multitude of specific plants, and conditions

like the Manchurian/Appalachian similarity, where a great similarity of

climate and plant diversity occur.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Usnea

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:20:50 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone) wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:

>> One caution.  I was told that to effectively use lichens for food [...]  

>I find this a bit odd: usnea is not considered edible by Tilford, in

>'Edible and Medicinal Plants of the West,' and he is quite broad in

>assigning that term. 



In principle, it's edible. In practice, it's a famine food, ie. you don't even

consider eating it until you -have- to. In addition, it grows very slowly, at

least up here, and there are other lichens which a) grow faster and b) are a bit

more palatable, even with their boilings in multiple changes of water.



>> Another indication for using local herbs when available.



>Further, let me state my opposition to this 'local herbs' idea.



Let me state my wholehearted support for this "local herbs" idea. 



Paul, you're a Chinese herbal healer; usually you don't even know what your

herbs look like, green and growing.



Most of the western practitioners I know like to grow and/or pick their own -

how else get those funny ones that aren't sold anywhere? How else get a feel for

the plant? How else know what quality herb or tincture -should- look like?



Henriette

regional herbalist



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

                 -+- Added more to King's Dispensatory -+-

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Usnea

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:55:22 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



I second Henriette's caution that lichens, including usnea, are famine

food.  They're neither very appetizing nor do they have a pleasing

texture.  But then I don't live in areas where food is so scarce that I

need to rely upon it.  (And since Chernobyl, it hasn't been a good idea

for anyone in the north where it was traditionally used as food to rely

upon lichens.)  But the need for an internal bacterial culture adapted to

digest lichens as food may indicate that the same is needed for maximum

medicinal use.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

Doubt is a pain too lonely to know that faith is his twin brother- Kahlil

Gibran



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Usnea

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:47:35 -0700

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> >> Another indication for using local herbs when available.

> 

> >Further, let me state my opposition to this 'local herbs' idea.

> 

> Let me state my wholehearted support for this "local herbs" idea. 

> 

> Paul, you're a Chinese herbal healer; usually you don't even know what

your

> herbs look like, green and growing.



And your point is?



> Most of the western practitioners I know like to grow and/or pick

> their own - how else get those funny ones that aren't sold anywhere?

> How else get a feel for the plant? How else know what quality herb

> or tincture -should- look like?



How else to focus on minutiae that have little or no real therapeutic

reality.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Usnea

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:59:42 +0300

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p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone) wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>> >> Another indication for using local herbs when available.

>> >Further, let me state my opposition to this 'local herbs' idea.

>> Let me state my wholehearted support for this "local herbs" idea. 

>> Paul, you're a Chinese herbal healer; usually you don't even know what your

>> herbs look like, green and growing.

>

>And your point is?



That you can't grow/pick your own. As you therefore do not know the benefits or

drawbacks of local herbs your opinions about local herbs can be discarded out of

hand.

While your aversion to local herbs might be true for chinese healers, you can

definitely not speak for western herbalists.



>> Most of the western practitioners I know like to grow and/or pick

>> their own - how else get those funny ones that aren't sold anywhere?

>> How else get a feel for the plant? How else know what quality herb

>> or tincture -should- look like?

>

>How else to focus on minutiae that have little or no real therapeutic

>reality.



... you're showing your ignorance, dear. Here, let me tuck it in.



If you pick your own you -know- you got good herbs. If that's not therapeutic

reality I don't know what is.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed

                 -+- Added more to King's Dispensatory -+-

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Usnea

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:27:08 -0700

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> >And your point is?

> 

> That you can't grow/pick your own. As you therefore do not know the

> benefits or drawbacks of local herbs your opinions about local herbs

> can be discarded out of hand.



You're missing the point, or are unaware of the theory being discussed. It

is not that herbs should be selected carefully. The people who farm

Chinese herbs or wildcraft them are often expert in this. The theory we're

talking about is the essential fitness of local plants as opposed to those

grown elsewhere.



> If you pick your own you -know- you got good herbs. If that's not

> therapeutic reality I don't know what is.



If someone you trust picks or buys at market good herbs, you have no

problem. That's not what this is about, though.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Usnea

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:43:45 -0700

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> But the need for an internal bacterial culture adapted to

> digest lichens as food may indicate that the same is needed for maximum

> medicinal use.



Doubtful. The majority of 'digestion' occurs from intrinsic digestive

enzymes and acids. It's never been suggested in Chinese healing that usnea

needs to be taken in a fermented, predigested form. Generally, it is dried

and powdered. These days, usnea is primarily used as a topical compress in

first aid. When it was used for tuberculosis, it may very well have been

aspirated as a fine powder (a kind of 'topical' therapy as well).



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Usnea

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:11:03 -0400 (EDT)

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>

Well, luckily 4,000 years of study is quite a few observational hours

beyond what you've had on which to derive this opinion. As an example,

consider watermelon, which has a noted and obvious REFRIGERANT effect. Do

you think that pouring refrigerant into the stomach at a time when the

stomach has to be 'hot' enough to transform protein and fat is a healthy

practice? Can you see how that is rather like eating ice cream with your meal?

>



Paul,



Fruits I eat with a meal don't include melons, either watermelon or

cantaloupe/related.  I eat apples with nearly every meal, also eat, less

regularly, blueberries, tart cherries, strawberries, blackberries, pineapple,

papaya, peach, nectarine, mango (all raw).  Pineapple and papaya are actively

helpful for digestion.  John Lust, in The Herb Book, lists "refrigerant" in

properties of tamarind, but I find tamarind quite compatible to eat at a meal.



>No. The botanical distinction is not the issue. Sweet, cooling, and damp

>foods are the issue. [Ice cream is similar to a 'fruit' in that sense.]



Not sure if my idea of sweet or quasi-sweet, cooling, and damp would always

agree with the traditional Chinese view.



On the issue of local vs. nonlocal herbs, I would be awful hard-pressed if I

were limited to herbs compatible with the local climate (Kentucky), and the same

applies to fruits and vegetables.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Usnea

From: "Graham White" <hendongreen@gn.apc.org>

Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:17:18 +0100

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>On the issue of local vs. nonlocal herbs, I would be awful hard-pressed if

I

>were limited to herbs compatible with the local climate (Kentucky), and the

same

>applies to fruits and vegetables.



Why?, I would have thought that Kentucky would be an ideal environment for a

huge range of herbs, fruits and vegetables (unless you are on top of a

mountain).  The original inhabitants certainly got by OK.



Cheers



Graham White  B.Sc. (Herb. Med.), MNIMH.

Medical Herbalist (English)

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hendongreen@gn.apc.org



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Usnea

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 03:33:08 -0400 (EDT)

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>

Why?, I would have thought that Kentucky would be an ideal environment for a

huge range of herbs, fruits and vegetables (unless you are on top of a

mountain).  The original inhabitants certainly got by OK.

>



Suburban sprawl is the rule now.  Fruits and vegetables in a temperate climate

are not available through the winter, and locally grown green leafy vegetables

are hard to come by in mid to late summer too.  Two herbs (green tea and

chaparral) help keep me breathing, and papaya (dried leaf or fresh or dried

fruit) and pineapple (fresh, raw), helpful for digestion, require tropical

climate.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: do I really smell like Valerian

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:03:32 -0400

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I tried Valerian this past week as a sleep aid and I don't know whether it's

my imagination or what, but I think I began to smell like Valerian, which we

all know stinks to high heaven. Anyone else ever heard of this?



Susan



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: do I really smell like Valerian

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:20:32 -0400 (EDT)

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>

I tried Valerian this past week as a sleep aid and I don't know whether it's

my imagination or what, but I think I began to smell like Valerian, which we

all know stinks to high heaven. Anyone else ever heard of this?



Susan

>



Maybe it's the smell in the room/house?  But I never knew valerian smelled so

bad, at least it didn't smell bad to me.



If valerian makes you smell of valerian, maybe it might be a preventive remedy

against mosquitoes, or is that wishful thinking?  Valerian might be easier to

take than a large amount of garlic, especially with sensitive airways.  I can

take only small amounts of garlic.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: do I really smell like Valerian

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:47:09 -0400

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Valerian in a fresh root tincture does not have the characteristic funky

smell, although it is still distinctive.  However dried valerian, whether

in tincture or other form, has a strong smell.  It is also

pharmacologically different and is more likely to agitate people with

adrenal exhaustion.



George Orwell wrote of Victorian women who were addicted to valerian and

how their houses smelled of it.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

Doubt is a pain too lonely to know that faith is his twin brother- Kahlil

Gibran



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: do I really smell like Valerian

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:01:08 -0400

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It is also

> pharmacologically different and is more likely to agitate people with

> adrenal exhaustion.



=============Do you think the tincture would be more affective as a sleeping

aid? I was taking it in capsule form.

>

> George Orwell wrote of Victorian women who were addicted to valerian and

> how their houses smelled of it.



=============It's so gross, I just can't imagine having my house smell of

it -- but this does make me feel better about thinking I smelled of it -- I

guess I really did!



Susan



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: do I really smell like Valerian

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:30:09 -0400

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Karen S Vaughan wrote:



> George Orwell wrote of Victorian women who were addicted to valerian and

> how their houses smelled of it.



Is it really possible to become truly addicted to Valerian?



May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: do I really smell like Valerian

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:51:08 -0400

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If the dried valerian doesn't make you sleepy, the FRESH root tincture

would be a better choice.  Or another herb like passionflower.  It

depends upon your constitution and the reason why you don't sleep.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

Doubt is a pain too lonely to know that faith is his twin brother- Kahlil

Gibran



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: do I really smell like Valerian

From: trice <gudrun@alaska.net>

Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:44:14 -0800

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-----------------------------------------------------------------

> 

> Subject: Re: do I really smell like Valerian

> From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:51:08 -0400

> X-Message-Number: 11

> 

> If the dried valerian doesn't make you sleepy, the FRESH root tincture

> would be a better choice.  Or another herb like passionflower.  It

> depends upon your constitution and the reason why you don't sleep.

> 

> Karen Vaughan



hello,



i had this dilemma last year and, for my body, the fresh root tincture

had exactly the opposite effect of dried root tincture.  by fresh, i

mean REALLY fresh.  i sit out in my garden with a bowl of water to rinse

off the dirt, a towel, a chopping block with a sharp knife, and a

waiting jar of everclear.  the dried root tincture, for some reason,

stimulates me.  i guess it's just individual physiology. don't know, i'm

only an interested amateur. 



and for what it's worth, i don't exactly get "dependent" upon the

valerian, but i rotate it with passionflower.  and i add skullcap, which

i also grow, to both.  i'm now in the process of weaning myself from

prescription medications because i'm in the middle of a

discrimination/harassment complaint at work.  for a while, NOTHING

herbal worked so i needed sleeping pills.  funny, once i retained an

attorney, my employers rediscovered the concept of civility and i am

able to sleep with herbal remedies again.  but i digress . . . 



also, for what it's worth,  sometimes i find the smell of valerian

repulsive, sometimes, it appeals to me.  i interpret that to mean that

when i "like" it, i need it.  when i don't, i should use something else.

would be interested to know if anyone else has had similar experiences. 



thanks,



patricia

gudrun@alaska.net



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: do I really smell like Valerian

From: Ingemar Johansson <ingemar.johansson@gotbot.se>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:43:08 +0200

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Houwie B ponders on most of this at URL



http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed/neat-stuff/valeriana.html



By the way, where exactly does Orwell write about valerian? Would be nice

to know as I'm writing an article (in Swedish) about "herbs in literature".



Yours,

Ingemar Johansson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: do I really smell like Valerian

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:47:36 -0400

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> also, for what it's worth,  sometimes i find the smell of valerian

> repulsive, sometimes, it appeals to me.  i interpret that to mean that

> when i "like" it, i need it.  when i don't, i should use something else.

> would be interested to know if anyone else has had similar experiences.



===============Now this is an interesting note. :) I'm not sure I'll ever

like the smell of it, so I guess I don't need it! ;) I haven't tried

passionflower or any other herbal yet. There are several I can try. Odd

thing is, I'm not having too much trouble right now -- I've slept pretty

well for the last few nights without anything. I'm just going to let it lie

for now and see what happens. Who knows? Stranger things have happened.



The only change I've made is using the cosmetic clay and arnica for my stiff

neck as Paul suggested a few weeks ago. My neck is some better, some days

better than others. It is still stiff and the problem spot is still there,

but the surrounding area is much better. Since I stopped sleeping after the

accident that caused my neck problem, I guess it would stand to reason that

anything that helps heal that old injury might also allow me to sleep

better. Just guessing, but it makes sense to me. Time will tell. :)



Susan H.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: do I really smell like Valerian

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:14:00 -0400

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<<Is it really possible to become truly addicted to Valerian?>>



I don't think it compares to, say opium or tobacco.  But valerian can

certainly be abused and users can develop dependence, which is a complex

physical and psychological/spiritual response.



Paul's recent statement on respecting the power of tobacco and not

blindly indulging can be extended to valerian and other powerful herbs.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

Doubt is a pain too lonely to know that faith is his twin brother- Kahlil

Gibran



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss 

From: "Phosphor" <phosphor@hotkey.net.au>

Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:10:38 +0300

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Victoria's question re weight loss.......



how complicated the cure is depends on how many contributing factors there

are.  One point to consider, this is Unani teaching, that refined sugars

provide a temporary boost to 'heat' in the body but ultimately lead to

cooling, as does heavy meats. dairy and raw fruit and vegetables are mostly

cooling apart from a few exceptions [cherries].  As the stomach likes warmth

too much cooling foods leads to craving, so a vicious cycle can develop.

For weight loss foods should be mostly warm and cooked, and this warmth can

be interpreted both literally and humourally. This is achieved by using warm

spices in cooking:  cardamom, fennel, cumin, cinnamon. Overly hot spices

such as ginger chii garlic will creat too much heat in the stomach, leading

to more food cravings.    It would help if you use a couple of liver herbs

for blood sugar balance, siberian ginseng for adrenals and  a couple of

chinese herbs such as atractylodes and achyranthes for Damp in Spleen.

Cravings are a sign of imbalance and perpetuate it, so adjusting through

diet and herbs will slowly remove the cravings naturally without too much

forced effort.



Andrew

Australia



> >Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :

>

> > Weight loss is a fairly simple equation

> >generally involving the reduction of sedentary habits, and elimination of

> >digestion imbalancing circuits like fruit or sweet eating near meals.

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:20:33 -0400 (EDT)

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Victoria,



It seems to me one could solve an overweight problem by eating lots of

low-calorie vegetables and fruits, such as celery, carrots, kale, collards,

squash, apples, pears, etc., and no refined carbohydrates (sugar, corn syrup,

white rice, bolted wheat and foods containing these ingredients), and no more

than small amounts of whole-food fats such as nuts.  Cooking oils, fat used in

preparation of French fries, margarine, butter, sour cream can also sneak up on

you.  But I don't have the chance to test this theory on myself, being decidedly

underweight.  Maybe proteins should be whole-food too, rather than isolated soy

protein.



I can't see any reason why fruit should be AM-only.   Regarding carrot-parsley

juice and fruit smoothies with soy protein, I would be inclined to have the

juice before rather than after.  I can't see anything bad about eating fruits

with meals, except possibly in cases of individual intolerance.



Paul, just what do you count as fruit?  Anything that meets the botanical

definition, including string beans, cucumbers, okra, eggplant, squash?

Tomatoes, which to me taste like fruit (sweet-sour)?  Avocado, where most of the

calories come from fat as opposed to carbohydrate?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:00:19 -0700

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> Victoria,

> 

> It seems to me one could solve an overweight problem by eating lots of

> low-calorie vegetables and fruits, such as celery, carrots, kale,

collards,

> squash, apples, pears, etc., and no refined carbohydrates (sugar,

> corn syrup, white rice, bolted wheat and foods containing these

> ingredients), and no more than small amounts of whole-food fats such

> as nuts.  



Quite obviously, you can go around and around devising lists of food, and

the diet book list is mountanous as a result. Chinese healing as a whole

UTTERLY AVOIDS this practice, the folk medicine books describing foods as

herbs notwithstanding. 



The KEY to any consideration of the diet is the basis of the balance of

the stomach and its action. It is longstanding (4,000 yr.+) Chinese diet

theory that the stomach is a SOUP POT. Therefore, items of diet that are

soup or like soup ingredients (warm, only mildly sweet, liquid) are the

most healthful for the stomach.



Given that, the list above is not a description of an appropriate

weightloss diet, because it disharmonizes the very organ that is designed

by nature to resolve food into nutrients. On the contrary, the stomach

needs to be brought to harmony so that further accumulations don't result,

and to abate the cravings which result from and are symptomatic of

disharmonized digestion.



There are several additional theories worthy of note, but this is the

basis.



> underweight.  Maybe proteins should be whole-food too, rather than

> isolated soy protein.



Soy protein is fairly hard to absorb, especially when consumed cold (soy

is already 'energetically' cold. This is why tofu compress is so effective

for headache, for instance). 



> I can't see

> anything bad about eating fruits with meals, except possibly in

> cases of individual intolerance.



Well, luckily 4,000 years of study is quite a few observational hours

beyond what you've had on which to derive this opinion. As an example,

consider watermelon, which has a noted and obvious REFRIGERANT effect. Do

you think that pouring refrigerant into the stomach at a time when the

stomach has to be 'hot' enough to transform protein and fat is a healthy

practice? Can you see how that is rather like eating ice cream with your

meal? Your mother wouldn't let you do this when you were a child, and many

of us have tried it later to our discomfort and regret. The result is

generally gas and bloating. Bloating is not good for the overweight. After

a good meal, the overweight FEEL LIGHTER. After a disharmonizing meal, the

overweight feel self-hatred and self-loathing. The choice is obvious.



> Paul, just what do you count as fruit?  Anything that meets the botanical

> definition, including string beans, cucumbers, okra, eggplant, squash?



No. The botanical distinction is not the issue. Sweet, cooling, and damp

foods are the issue. [Ice cream is similar to a 'fruit' in that sense.]



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: Aliceann Carlton <ayurveda@mint.net>

Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 07:03:04 -0400

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At 06:00 PM 04/23/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :

>

>The KEY to any consideration of the diet is the basis of the balance of

>the stomach and its action. It is longstanding (4,000 yr.+) Chinese diet

>theory that the stomach is a SOUP POT. Therefore, items of diet that are

>soup or like soup ingredients (warm, only mildly sweet, liquid) are the

>most healthful for the stomach.

>

>Given that, the list above is not a description of an appropriate

>weightloss diet, because it disharmonizes the very organ that is designed

>by nature to resolve food into nutrients. On the contrary, the stomach

>needs to be brought to harmony so that further accumulations don't result,

>and to abate the cravings which result from and are symptomatic of

>disharmonized digestion.



Nice description Paul...illustrating the digestive process in correct 

order. Thanks to you and to the 4,000 years of teaching from your predecessors.



Aliceann



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:54:34 -0400

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Thanks for this wonderful explanation...makes sense to me..

<< Therefore, items of diet that are

soup or like soup ingredients (warm, only mildly sweet, liquid) are the

most healthful for the stomach.>>

Not all countries eat like we do here, I grew up in Germany with a much

more balanced way of eating aas you describe, as I found here in the

US..Sadly I've fallen for bad habits like most of us..But never to

icecold beverages..

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:32:39 -0700

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> Not all countries eat like we do here, I grew up in Germany with a much

> more balanced way of eating aas you describe, 



Examine the eating habits of the entire world; they are these, and it's

not a coincidence. 



> Sadly I've fallen for bad habits like most of us..But never to ice cold

beverages..

> C-M



Coldness is not as big of an issue as sweet and damp (both grease &

stickiness), unless of course you have poor vitality and a lack of vital

warmth. Cold contributes to qi depletion ('tiredness'). SWEET is the big

problem, and that problem is primarily associated with consuming too much

sweet with meals (including for most people ANY fruit), a practice the

body will only do in disharmony. 



While we're at it, dryness is also a big problem in American digestion.

Many people are dehydrated, and this directly harms the stomach (another

reason why avoiding liquids with meals is nonsensical).



Of course, we could list stress and ascorbate/electrolyte depletion as

primary causes of general disharmony that ultimately damages the stomach.

But these 'basic' natural components, sweet, damp, cold, dryness, are in

'herbal' language, and provide useful perspectives for HOLISTIC diet

theory. 



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: Victoria Satta <victoria2@erols.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:33:57 -0400

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At 03:32 PM 04/24/00 -0700, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



Paul



Can you explain more?  Stickiness... what do we eat that is sticky?

Cheese... somehthing like that?  I'm not doubting what you say, but I've

been trained to think that eating RAW is the only way.  Now you're saying,

hot, cooked, mushy... it is exactly the opposite of what I've been told.

They say that enzymes die if cooked.  Why eat if we don't get any

nourishment from it?   



Can you explain why sweet is so bad... as in fruit?  You mean mixing fruit

with other foods?  Fruit perdiod?  



>While we're at it, dryness is also a big problem in American digestion.

>Many people are dehydrated, and this directly harms the stomach (another

>reason why avoiding liquids with meals is nonsensical).



I can understand that one... but not cold if you don't want to be tired?



>Of course, we could list stress and ascorbate/electrolyte depletion as

>primary causes of general disharmony that ultimately damages the stomach.

>But these 'basic' natural components, sweet, damp, cold, dryness, are in

>'herbal' language, and provide useful perspectives for HOLISTIC diet

>theory. 



Paul, I'm not being nosy, but how do u eat?  What, in your opinion, is the

ULTIMATE nutrition and "harmony maker" for a healthy life?  I'm about 1/2

way through my life now, and I'd like to get it RIGHT one of these days

soon.  What do you think about, "If you eat right you don't need herbs and

supplements."  ... just curious.



Thanks,

Victoria



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:31:52 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by harkins <harkins@sky1.net> :



What do you think about, "If you eat right you don't need herbs and

> supplements."  ... just curious.



===========I'm not Paul, but I think this is a strange attitude and one I

don't understand. First, we can't decide what's "right"... so how can we do

it? It's only been in recent years that we've learned the importance of

grains and vegetables in our diet -- remember when protein was the bottom of

the pyramid? Second, has anyone tried to eat all those "suggested" helpings

every day? Frankly, I just can't eat that much. Third, to truly eat "right"

we'd have to grown all our own organically, raise our own cows, chickens,

whatever, grow what THEY eat...and who can do that? Not many us I'm afraid.

Even if you can find an organic coop, can you guarantee all those crops are

being grown a mile away from any major highway, etc., etc., etc.???? There

are just too many variables. When I hear supposed experts tell millions of

people to just "eat right" I wonder where they've buried their heads!



First, we have to define "eat right." . Just saying "eat right," in my

opinion, is irresponsible and of no help.



I don't mean to start a controversy -- I'm not advocating supplements over

good nutrition by any stretch. Nor do I support people who eat what they

want and consume supplements to try to repair the damage. I'm just saying,

"eat right" doesn't really mean anything because of the crap we're consuming

even when we think we ARE eating "right." If you eat prepared foods or even

grocery store perishables, you're getting all kinds of stuff you don't even

know about. :(



Susan H.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:09:16 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> Can you explain more?  Stickiness... what do we eat that is sticky?



Fruit juice is very sticky. Oatmeal is sticky. Untoasted bread is sticky.



> Cheese... somehthing like that?  I'm not doubting what you say, but I've

> been trained to think that eating RAW is the only way.  Now you're

saying,

> hot, cooked, mushy... it is exactly the opposite of what I've been told.

> They say that enzymes die if cooked.  Why eat if we don't get any

> nourishment from it?   



This enzyme bit is nonsense. Consider for a moment that 99% of all

home-dwelling human beings that have ever existed ate cooked food diets.

Raw food diets are for rabbits and people of high vitality. An athlete can

eat a lot of raw food, because they have the metabolism for it. If you're

not exercising, overweight, unhappy, stressed, then you're not fit for a

high raw food diet. You need cooked food, with lots and lots of protein to

abate some of that stress.



> Can you explain why sweet is so bad... as in fruit?  You mean mixing

fruit

> with other foods?  Fruit perdiod?  



Do the experiment,  draw the conclusion yourself. Stop eating all fruit.

Note how you're feeling in two weeks time. Everyone, without exception,

that I have taken off fruit, have admitted that they felt much better off

it, even if they miss the sweet hit it was giving them.



> >While we're at it, dryness is also a big problem in American digestion.

> >Many people are dehydrated, and this directly harms the stomach (another

> >reason why avoiding liquids with meals is nonsensical).

> 

> I can understand that one... but not cold if you don't want to be tired?



Cold is an issue, but consider WHY so much cold drink is being consumed:

because of internalized stress, which heats the liver, and internalized

worry, which heats the stomach. So the natural thing to do is want to cool

those organs off, preferably with a stimulant. It doesn't work all that

well, but it is a natural course of action.



> Paul, I'm not being nosy, but how do u eat?  What, in your opinion, is

the

> ULTIMATE nutrition and "harmony maker" for a healthy life?  I'm about 1/2

> way through my life now, and I'd like to get it RIGHT one of these days

> soon.  



I do not counsel food-fetishes. Eat any of the warm food diets of the

world, with an emphasis on lowering the heavy fats. Do not eat desserts,

ever. If you want to have something sweet at the completion of a meal,

force yourself to wait for at least a half an hour (an hour is better),

and have a glass of water when you do. The desire for sweets after a meal

is nothing but a SYMPTOM of weak digestion. Feeding sweets, including

fruits, does nothing but intensify the pattern. Ultimate harmony comes

from moderating and toning down health patterns, not intensifying them.



>What do you think about, "If you eat right you don't need herbs and

> supplements."  ... just curious.



It's bunk. You cannot get enough ascorbate in your diet, even if all you

eat is orange juice, to have enough in these times. And that's just one

nutrient (and the oj doesn't supply enough minerals to balance the C). 



Just say boo to a cat and they burn up four or five grams of ascorbate,

which they manufacture from blood sugar. We don't manufacture any, so we

are stuck supplementing if we endure any sort of shock at all, and modern

life is endless shocks. 



It isn't surprising that blood sugar disharmonies are rife, when the

primary stress reducing act of most animals is converting sugar to

ascorbate. The liver still pumps out the glucose, there's just no human

pathway to make it into ascorbate any more. So stress still causes huge

blood sugar spikes in humans---but the adrenals need ascorbate they can

only get supplementally, not a hormonal system being blasted to the moon,

and a bunch more sugar to replace what is being helplessly damped by

insulin at a rate the body cannot sustain.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: Kevin Chisholm <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:44:56 -0300

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Sent to the herblist by kchishol@fox.nstn.ca :



Dear Paul



Paul Iannone wrote:

> 

> Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :

> 

..del...

> > Can you explain why sweet is so bad... as in fruit?  You mean mixing

> fruit

> > with other foods?  Fruit perdiod?

> 

> Do the experiment,  draw the conclusion yourself. Stop eating all fruit.

> Note how you're feeling in two weeks time. Everyone, without exception,

> that I have taken off fruit, have admitted that they felt much better off

> it, even if they miss the sweet hit it was giving them.



Attaining better health by not eating fruit seems counter-intuitive. We

all know the saying "An apple a day keeps the Doctor away." What you

seem to be saying is that all fruit is bad for people to eat. Is this

really what you are saying?



>...del...

> 

> It's bunk. You cannot get enough ascorbate in your diet, even if all you

> eat is orange juice, to have enough in these times. And that's just one

> nutrient (and the oj doesn't supply enough minerals to balance the C).



What daily dietary intake of ascorbate would you recommend for an

average person? What are teh recommended minerals necessary to balance

the "C". (Presumably, you are referring to Vitamine C.)



Thanks very much.



Kevin Chisholm



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: "Judith Thamm" <galingale@chariot.net.au>

Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:28:58 +0930

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Sent to the herblist by Judith Thamm <galingale@chariot.net.au> :



Hi listers,

Paul said:



> This enzyme bit is nonsense.



Really?  I think this is a case of you never having studied anatomy

and physiology.  The body cannot manufacture some enzymes which can

easily be obtained from raw food.  Yes, heat destroys enzymes.



>Consider for a moment that 99% of all

> home-dwelling human beings that have ever existed ate cooked food

diets.

> Raw food diets are for rabbits and people of high vitality.



Our alimentary canal is surprisingly similar to that of a rabbit -

even to the appendix.  Ours is only a fraction of that of the rabbit

as it must digest cellulose and we don't have to - we have access to

our vitamins from fruit instead.



>An athlete can

> eat a lot of raw food, because they have the metabolism for it. If

you're

> not exercising, overweight, unhappy, stressed, then you're not fit

for a

> high raw food diet.



The human gut is long as it was intended as a mainly vegetative

digesting organ with a lower proportion of meat.  The canine

meat-mainly gut is considerably shorter.  The current problem of

overweight is because we are too seditentary and consume too much

refined sugar and fats and oils.



> You need cooked food, with lots and lots of protein to

> abate some of that stress.

> Do the experiment,  draw the conclusion yourself. Stop eating all

fruit.

> Note how you're feeling in two weeks time. Everyone, without

exception,

> that I have taken off fruit, have admitted that they felt much

better off

> it, even if they miss the sweet hit it was giving them.



If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck -

it must be the Aitkins low carb diet in sheep's clothing [sorry about

the mixed metaphors] - great for stressing the pancreas and causing it

to enlarge until such time that it atrophies.  High protein removes

water - not fat.



Judith.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:49:53 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



<<Our alimentary canal is surprisingly similar to that of a rabbit -

even to the appendix.  Ours is only a fraction of that of the rabbit

as it must digest cellulose and we don't have to - we have access to

our vitamins from fruit instead....The human gut is long as it was

intended as a mainly vegetative digesting organ with a lower proportion

of meat.  The canine meat-mainly gut is considerably shorter. >>



Actually our alimentary canal is midway in length (as a proportion of

mass) between that of a vegetarian musk ox and a carnivorous tiger.  That

would leave us squarely omnivorous.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

If you drink from a bottle marked "Poison" it is almost certain to

disagree with you sooner or later. -Lewis Carroll



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:29:30 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :



Karen S Vaughan wrote:



> The human gut is long as it was

> intended as a mainly vegetative digesting organ with a lower proportion

> of meat.  The canine meat-mainly gut is considerably shorter. >>

>

> Actually our alimentary canal is midway in length (as a proportion of

> mass) between that of a vegetarian musk ox and a carnivorous tiger.  That

> would leave us squarely omnivorous.



Thank you! that is what I tend to be by choice--by what I seem to crave, and

what makes me feel decent.  I must say I personally don't believe the human gut

was "intended" to be anything.  I would guess it evolved based on the kind of

diet that was available and eaten most of the time, as did our teeth, etc.  And

as Paul suggested, this isn't science.  I don't have the time or patience to

obsess over my diet, though I recognize that I have to fight the cultural

conditioning to eat poorly.  I suspect homo sapiens is capable of doing all

right on a number of different diets, at least short term.



May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: "Graham White" <hendongreen@gn.apc.org>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:26:52 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by graham white <hendongreen@gn.apc.org> :



>Can you explain more?  Stickiness... what do we eat that is sticky?

>Cheese... somehthing like that?  I'm not doubting what you say, but I've

>been trained to think that eating RAW is the only way.  Now you're saying,

>hot, cooked, mushy... it is exactly the opposite of what I've been told.

>They say that enzymes die if cooked.  Why eat if we don't get any

>nourishment from it?



This whole raw food stuff is part of the European naturopathic fad of the

late 19th century.  Sure cooking food breaks down degradative enzymes in the

foods, but in case you haven't noticed your whole digestive system consists

of enzymes designed to break down complex molecules and they can do this

much easier if cell walls and other connective tissue in the food has been

broken down by cooking.



>Paul, I'm not being nosy, but how do u eat?  What, in your opinion, is the

>ULTIMATE nutrition and "harmony maker" for a healthy life?  I'm about 1/2

>way through my life now, and I'd like to get it RIGHT one of these days

>soon.  What do you think about, "If you eat right you don't need herbs and

>supplements."  ... just curious.



Stop looking for a guru and find what's RIGHT for YOU, and remember Paul is

talking more in terms of food 'energetics' than in terms of literal sweet,

sticky etc.



Cheers



Graham White  B.Sc. (Herb. Med.), MNIMH.

Medical Herbalist

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hendongreen@gn.apc.org



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: Kevin Chisholm <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:06:35 -0300

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Sent to the herblist by kchishol@fox.nstn.ca :



Dear Graham



Graham White wrote:

> 

> Sent to the herblist by graham white <hendongreen@gn.apc.org> :

> 

> >Can you explain more?  Stickiness... what do we eat that is sticky?



...del... 

> Stop looking for a guru and find what's RIGHT for YOU, and remember Paul is

> talking more in terms of food 'energetics' than in terms of literal sweet,

> sticky etc.



I wonder if you would be kind enough to explain the concepts of

"sweetness", stickiness", and other relevant terms, in the context of

"food energetics." Such an explanation would be most helpful to us

beginners, to enable us to better appreciate other ways for looking at

nutrition.



Perhaps you could suggest a source on the net that we could access, for

a more complete understanding?



Thanks very much.



Kevin Chisholm



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: Victoria Satta <victoria2@erols.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:53:46 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by victoria satta <victoria2@erols.com> :



At 09:26 PM 04/25/00 +0100, you wrote:



>  Sure cooking food breaks down degradative enzymes in the

>foods, but in case you haven't noticed your whole digestive system consists

>of enzymes designed to break down complex molecules and they can do this

>much easier if cell walls and other connective tissue in the food has been

>broken down by cooking.



Graham,



Ok... here we go again: I'm not being argumentive.  I just don't

understand.  I am also NOT looking for a guru.   I honestly am seeking

information because I don't know what is right.  That's why I am reaching

out to people I respect.



>Stop looking for a guru and find what's RIGHT for YOU, and remember Paul is

>talking more in terms of food 'energetics' than in terms of literal sweet,

>sticky etc.



That is exactly what I am trying to do.  That's why I'm asking.  



Thank you!

Victoria



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: "Graham White" <hendongreen@gn.apc.org>

Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:32:46 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by graham white <hendongreen@gn.apc.org> :



>Graham,

>

>Ok... here we go again: I'm not being argumentive.  I just don't

>understand.  I am also NOT looking for a guru.   I honestly am seeking

>information because I don't know what is right.  That's why I am reaching

>out to people I respect.



There's nothing wrong with being argumentative - I am all the time :-)



Cheers



Graham White  B.Sc. (Herb. Med.), MNIMH.

Medical Herbalist

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hendongreen@gn.apc.org



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: "Graham White" <hendongreen@gn.apc.org>

Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:42:05 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by graham white <hendongreen@gn.apc.org> :



>Dear Graham



>I wonder if you would be kind enough to explain the concepts of

>"sweetness", stickiness", and other relevant terms, in the context of

>"food energetics." Such an explanation would be most helpful to us

>beginners, to enable us to better appreciate other ways for looking at

>nutrition.



You'll have to ask Paul about that.



>Perhaps you could suggest a source on the net that we could access, for

>a more complete understanding?



'fraid not - I don't use those terms, I was just pointing out that Paul's

use of them was not to be taken literally.



Cheers



Graham White  B.Sc. (Herb. Med.), MNIMH.

Medical Herbalist

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hendongreen@gn.apc.org



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: Eloriel <eloriel@mindspring.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:05:07 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Eloriel <eloriel@mindspring.com> :



>Sent to the herblist by victoria satta <victoria2@erols.com> :



><snip>  I am also NOT looking for a guru.   I honestly am seeking

>information because I don't know what is right.  That's why I am reaching

>out to people I respect.



Victoria -- If you find TCM insights intriguing and would like more

information relative to diet, one of the books I've found to be a wealth of

information (including definitions or explanations of terms such as damp,

warming -- tho I don't know I've seen *sticky* in it <g>), is Paul

Pitchford's "Healing with Whole Foods." Including the index, it's over 700

pages, and even includes some recipes. There are some things in it that

people on this list would take issue with I suppose (e.g., the

recommendation for raw foods for some people in some cases), but it goes

into such depth on so many topics that I personally recommend it highly.



There are numerous other general (lay) books on TCM in general, some more

valuable and helpful than others. Of the several I have, I suppose "Between

Heaven and Earth" by Benfield and Korngold is the one I like best. But

you'll have to be the judge. Others might have better recommendations.



Eloriel



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Detoxification and weight loss

From: "JILL SIMMS-YINGLING" <jtsy10@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:05:27 GMT

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Sent to the herblist by jill simms-yingling <jtsy10@hotmail.com> :



Hi:



Have recently begun a journey that has enlightened me to the destruction 

that all of the refined carbohydrates I have consumed over my lifetime has 

had on my system(s).

The most visible being fat.



I have increased my protien intake and greatly decreased my carbohydrates to 

include fresh fruits and vegetables...



Great changes have been made in my overall health as to energy level, 

however, it seems that while I am changing my eating habits, I am sometimes 

overwhelmed with really strong ugly emotion???



The only thing that helps these episodes is working up a good sweat, after 

which I am as calm as a cucumber.  This leads me to believe that these 

emotions are coming from toxins stored(?) with the surplus fat I am now 

burning for energy???



Are there herbs that would best help my system detoxify while my body is 

using this excess fat for energy?



Thanks



By the by, although I have not had the pleasure of meeting any of you, but I 

love this list and the fact that there is an entire population of folks out 

there who seek to understand the cause instead of treating the symptom...  

Thank you so much for sharing.



God Bless,

Jill

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Local plants, was Usnea

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:21:23 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



<<Further, let me state my opposition to this 'local herbs' idea. This is

of

course a relatively modern theory, derived from the provincial folk

therapy Macrobiotics, and Chinese healing has a highly developed system

of healing that does not depend on it or even propose it.>>



Exactly what kinds of herbs do you immagine the local healers were using

when the Shen Nong Ben Cao Jing was written?  And Li Shi Shen also

collected significant amounts of information from family tradition

doctors and folk healers, most likely of local origin.  True the

subsequent materia medicas kept adding herbs from expanding areas and the

tradition does not dictate that local herbs are better, but until

widespread wholesaling was available most herbal use was overwhelmingly

local. 



This is reinforced by the notations in traditionas MMs on different

properties of the same plant grown in different areas.  Soils (which also

affect the nutrition of people taking the herbs), climate and other local

conditions affect the curative power of plants.  I'll bet that after

patients are diagnosed to the specific type of herb needed, there is a

correlation between the locality of patients and plants.  I doubt there

is data on it however.



<< Furthermore, there are botanical factors that greatly oppose this

theory, such as the very widespread habitat of a great multitude of

specific plants, and conditions like the Manchurian/Appalachian

similarity, where a great similarity of climate and plant diversity

occur.>>



This hardly opposes the theory.  In fact the widespread distribution of

specific plants just indicates that they are widely local and of greater

medical usefulness for more people than plants which are specific to

certain places.  I incidentally do not hold the view that plants must be

native.  Migration and associated plant distribution is a fact of life,

and if a zingiber plant can grow in New Jersey, subject to the same soils

and climatic stresses of people who live there, it can be efficaciously

used, (particularly for New Jersians who originate from areas where

zingiber is native.)  Imported zingiber will probably work to a certain

extent, but lacks the climactic and spiritual fit of something close to

home.



And if you are to engage the spirits of the plants in healing, you are

closer to the plant's spirit when you can see the plant grow, ask to

harvest with healing intent, offer an exchange and harvest appropriately

and ecologically.  I can't do that effectively with wholesale dried root

slices.



And while I am in awe of the genius of the diagnostic methods of Chinese

medicine and the transmission of data on medicinal plants, I also know

that China leads the world in species extinction.  As healers we can help

infuse ecological consciousness into the medicine by using sustainably

harvested local plants.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

Doubt is a pain too lonely to know that faith is his twin brother- Kahlil

Gibran



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: re: Local plants, was Usnea

From: "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>

Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:31:28 EETDST

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Sent to the herblist by antti hovi <ahovi@latkk.lpt.fi> :



>Further, let me state my opposition to this 'local herbs' idea.



I am sorry that I jump back to this one week old subject. But I think 

this idea of using mainly local herbs is justified and not only for 

ecological reasons. After all, nations have mostly (Europe, 

Asia, Africa) stayed where they are for thousands of years, and eaten 

the local and locally grown plants, game and fishes. 

They have become acclimitized or adapted to the local 

conditions also trough nutrition and herbs. But I know that this 

subject has been very little researched and so is based on intuition, 

some might call it superstition. I think food or medicinal industry 

is not interested to gear money for this kind of topic for research.

It is an aspect of inner quality of food and herbs. All of this 

quality can not be proven by analytical methods at the moment. So it 

is not payed for or cared for.



On the other hand we know that many grains, vegetables and herbs, 

which initially had only a small growing area, for example in Middle-

East, in Central-America or in Mediterranean, are now grown almost 

everywhere, including us in northern Europe.  



Also many herbs and spices have for hundreds of years been imported

from India and South-East Asia. And they have found their way even to 

so called 'traditional' native foods even here in Finland. And  

they are still effective medicines, if used properly, like they were 

when first imported to Europe in Middle-Ages. I was convinced of 

this once again 3 weeks ago by taking ginger as medicine and being 

cured in  one day (of symptoms at least). Without going into more 

details, I did not know any local native herb to induce same cure. I 

do not mean there would not be any, but in many cases Oriental 

medicine has a better tradition and better diagnosis than western 

herbalism.



What I try to say is, that I would like to see more research on 

the idea of 'local plants'. So far I support this as a logical (at 

least ecological) and holistic theory. But I support also the 

thousands of years long tradition of Chinese Medicine, which at the 

moment means, that we must more or less import herbs from 

other parts of the world (but China is still part of the same 

continent, Eurasia, is it not?).



>Furthermore, there are botanical factors, that greatly oppose this 

theory, such as the widesprerad habitat of a great multitude of 

spesific plants, and conditions like the Manchurian/Appalachian 

similarity, where a great similarity of climate and plant diversity 

occur.



I would like to discuss this interesting subject of geographical 

botany or vegetation science longer, but since this is a herb list, 

I try to put this up shortly.

If you have a similarity between Manchurian and Appalachian so we 

have a similarity between Amur (area immediately north of Manchuria) 

and northern Europe. 

This similarity is a fact, when we deal with trees and bushes for 

ornamental purposes. The temperature during summer and winter, the 

amount of rain fall, the length of growing season etc, all this 

makes many many trees and bushes to thrive well in both areas, even 

when isolated by thousands of kilometres (or miles if you wish).



Similar conditions like in Amur or southern Finland, would be found 

also in Hokkaido, S-Sakhalin, Lake of Baikal or on the other side of 

globe, around Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, at the shores of 

Lake Superior, in southern Quebec, or in narrow stripes in British 

Columbia or elsewhere in the Rocky Mountains. 



So in this sence plants could be exchanged or imported. And we DO 

have a huge amount of ornamental trees imported as seeds from above 

mentioned areas (Amur-Manchuria-Korea-Japan; eastern and western 

North-America) and further acclimitized here. But still they 

do not invade our forests but stay in our gardens and parks (one 

exception as a forest 'weed' is Amelanchier spicata, serviceberry, 

Juneberry, shadbush?). 



But, human food and medicinal herbs, are in addition to climate, 

affected by the quality of the soil, proportions of micro nutrients 

etc, and if this all is taken into consideration, we perhaps do not 

find any other similar place in the world, than where we are at the 

moment or where we have been born. 



One (supporting) example: One year ago it was reported, that ginseng 

has succesfully been grown in Helsinki and it might be a good catch 

crop in the future. Because ginseng naturally grows in a much more 

continental climate and in soils which have much more some 

micronutrients, I think, I would still by imported ginseng 

instead of ginseng, grown artificially in my own country. 

Or rather by imported subtropical ginger, rather than try to grow it 

in my greenhouse, which of course is possible in small scale.



Second (opposing) example: I would on the other hand buy Finnish 

Echinacea, because it grows here very well and does not need 

artificial arrengements or green houses. 



So we as human beings might need even more concern of proper 

conditions and environment than the ornamental plants, even when they 

have roots and can't move like we can, not the other way round.



Antti Hovi

antti.hovi@helsinki.fi



Antti Hovi

suunnittelija (FM)

Helsingin yliopisto, Lahden tutkimus- ja koulutuskeskus

Saimaankatu 11, 15140 Lahti

e-mail: antti.hovi@helsinki.fi

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: dehydration (was Re: 1. Weight Loss)

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:57:43 -0400

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> While we're at it, dryness is also a big problem in American digestion.

> Many people are dehydrated, and this directly harms the stomach (another

> reason why avoiding liquids with meals is nonsensical).



================This topic came up over the weekend. Both my mom and my

brother suffer from mental disorders which they control with medications.

They both function well and seem content with this solution. What I

mentioned to both was that they shared another trait -- neither of them ever

drinks water. They both suck down diet colas all day. Both of them responded

with, "Yuck, I hate water!" Well... duh... I admonished them a bit and

explained that if they'd just discipline themselves for a few days -- that's

all it would take, but both just laughed at me and ignored me.



I can't stress enough the importance of water. Everyone on this list is

knowledgeable in some many areas, but this is the one solution we all share.

You can't have a healthy body or mind if your body is dehydrated. Period.

Doesn't matter what else you do. I really enjoy studying herbs, and growing

them, and essential oils for that matter. But I guess my money's on water

before anything else. When I begin to feel bad or slow (sluggish) I start

flushing my body and generally within a few hours I'm better. If I feel a

cold coming on, same thing. It works for me, but nobody ever listens to me!

They think I'm nuts. Well... they think that with or without the water

lectures. ;)



Feel a headache coming on -- drink a few glasses of water and see what

happens. :)



Susan H.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: dehydration (was Re: 1. Weight Loss)

From: Victoria Satta <victoria2@erols.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:32:38 -0400

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At 12:57 PM 04/25/00 -0400, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by harkins <harkins@sky1.net> :

> If I feel a

>cold coming on, same thing. It works for me, but nobody ever listens to me!

>They think I'm nuts. Well... they think that with or without the water

>lectures. ;)

>

>Feel a headache coming on -- drink a few glasses of water and see what



I'm with you.  That is ONE thing I know, and one thing I do!



Victoria!!!!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: dehydration (was Re: 1. Weight Loss)

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:07:18 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@juno.com> :



You mentioned "when you feel bad or sluggish or feel a cold coming on,

you flush your system" (not your exact words.) Would you PLEASE tell me

HOW you flush your system?? I would REALLY appreciate it. It may be

different for everybody but I would really like to know the particulars.

Please refresh my memory. Thanks a bunch. 

Linda :)



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: dehydration (was Re: 1. Weight Loss)

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:25:28 -0400

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Would you PLEASE tell me

> HOW you flush your system?? I would REALLY appreciate it. It may be

> different for everybody but I would really like to know the particulars.



===========I'm sorry, I shouldn't have used that term. All I meant was, I

drink a lot of water -- a lot. In addition to the 8 or so glasses I already

drink every day, I stand at the kitchen sink and drink one or two more

everytime I go into the kitchen for the next couple of hours. Sorry to sound

so mysterious. :)



Susan



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: dehydration (was Re: 1. Weight Loss)

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:19:29 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@juno.com> :



Duh. I guess you meant water drinking.

Linda



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re:Do I reall smell like Valerian?

From: "M Lazar" <jedihands@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:19:48 -0500

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Subject: Re: do I really smell like Valerian



My husband stated just the other day that he could smell the Valerian on me

(through my skin and breath), usually that night and some of the next day.

I suppose the tincture would not be absorbed any differently.  Stinky stuff

but excellent when I'm under stress!

Marianne

jedihands@mindspring.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Do I reall smell like Valerian?

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:57:07 -0400

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 My husband stated just the other day that he could smell the 

 Valerian on me> (through my skin and breath), usually that night and

some of the 

 next day.   

Have you ever taken an aromatic with your valerian--- enteric coated

peppermint oil capsules, ginger capsules, tinctures of ginger or

sarsaparilla?  If so, any difference?

Marcia<ngbard@juno.com>

--



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: netiquette

From: christopher chinnock <chinnock@uclink4.berkeley.edu>

Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:00:22 -0700

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1>

"I do not counsel food-fetishes."

2>

"Stop looking for a guru and find what's RIGHT for YOU"



>That is exactly what I am trying to do.  That's why I'm asking.

>

>Thank you!

>Victoria



Right on Victoria,

This exchange prompts me to comment on a subtle lack of basic courtesy that 

I notice from time to time on this list.

the comment numbered 1> above is name calling

the comment numbered 2> above is condescending and includes email YELLING!~

With respect to everyone involved,  you attract more flies with sugar than 

vinegar, y'knowhat Im saying?

Not that Im promoting sugar!

;)

Christopher Chinook



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: do I really smell like Valerian (long)

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:01:41 -0400

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<< the dried root tincture, for some reason, stimulates me.  i guess it's

just individual physiology. don't know, i'm only an interested amateur>>



Valerian has chemicals, (essential oils and valepotriates), which are

extremely heat sensitive and rarely survive drying, except when done at a

low temperature (and even then are largely lost.) Fresh root tincture

contains heat sensitive constituents which are lost in drying, especially

with heat, and require alcohol.  There are some water soluble

constituents which may have sedative actions and will survive

encapsulation, but  they apparently are also stimulants, especially in

people with weak adrenal systems or yin deficiency. (This covers a high

percentage of people who can't sleep because of stress.)  In general,

dried valerian is not sedative, but fresh root tincture is. 



Valerian is spicy-warm with a calming  property and is also good for

promoting gastric metabolism, relieving gas and abdominal congestion,

promoting circulation (especially to the brain according to the

Eclectics). The heating and drying quality is apparently made worse for

yin deficient types.  



This is speculation, but since you speed up with valerian you may have a

sympathetic nervous system deficiency that is causing your hyper

feelings, rather than sympathetic nervous system overstimulation.  (Care

to translate this into Chinese Medicine terms Paul?)  Many people with a

small contracted pupil (a sign of parasympathetic response) have contrary

reactions to many nervines and stimulants- coffee will make them relax

while lavendar or kava will speed them up.  Others with a large and

pusling pupil (a sign of sympathetic nervous system response) relax in

response to licorice and other adrenal tonics.  This was noticed by a

colleague on another list who deals with ADD children and I've only

started working with it.  



BTW it was really  DH Lawrence's novel, Mr. Noon, rather than George

Orwell's, where a woman is described as one of those people who is always

taking valerian, in a way that makes her sound like a drug addict. 



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

Doubt is a pain too lonely to know that faith is his twin brother- Kahlil

Gibran



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: weight loss

From: "Dagmar Riley" <dagmar-riley@gmx.net>

Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:46:40 +0800

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Sent to the herblist by Dagmar Riley <dagmar-riley@gmx.net> :



Most of my patients are sceptical when I tell them to stop eating cold

foods, e.g. fruit, raw foods (salad) fridge-cold drinks (orange juice etc),

too much bread and cheese etc. I was, too, when I started studying Chinese

medicine and my European indoctrination "salad and fruit is healthy" was

turned upside down. But since living in China and eating a Chinese diet, I

feel much better myself and I have also lost weight (I didn't have a weight

problem before, but I did suffer from lack of energy, allergies, water

retention). Tourists always wonder how Chinese people can eat so much and

still stay thin. The answer is: They eat cooked foods, no salads, very

little fruit, no dairy products. The food often is quite oily, but that is

not a problem.

Fruit and salad is not bad for ALL people, but for people with cold, damp

symtoms, which is a LOT of people in the West, probably because they do eat

so much cold food.

Just think about it like this: The stomach needs energy to process your

food. If you cool it down by eating cold, or even ice-cold food, it has to

produce much more energy for digestion. If you already are energy deficient,

you won't be able to digest your food properly, and the apple a day, instead

of being healthy, becomes a burden for the body. By eating warm foods

(temperature and energy-wise) you help your stomach supplying energy for

proper digestion.

Dagmar



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: weight loss

From: Pamela Quayle <herbgatherer@snet.net>

Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:09:34 -0400

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>  By eating warm foods (temperature and energy-wise) you help your stomach

> supplying energy for

> proper digestion.



I don't question the value of warm foods/herbs for increasing energy for

digestion - have seen it work very well.



But, I'm trying to reconcile that to the use of bitter herbs in Western

tradition for stimulating digestion - I've also seen that work and help weight

loss as well.  Most of the bitter herbs are energetically cooling.  Even if

warming digestives are not added to a cooling bitter formula it will increase

digestive energy.



Anyone have an explanation of why these two seemingly opposite energetic

therapies both work?



Pamela



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: weight loss

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:42:01 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



<<But, I'm trying to reconcile that to the use of bitter herbs in Western

tradition for stimulating digestion - I've also seen that work and help

weight loss as well.  Most of the bitter herbs are energetically cooling.

 Even if warming digestives are not added to a cooling bitter formula it

will increase digestive energy....Anyone have an explanation of why these

two seemingly opposite energetic therapies both work?>>



The two strategies work upon different parts of the digestive system. 

Bitters are energetically cooling to the liver, and stimulate bile from

the moment they touch the tongue.  Warm foods help digestion in the

stomach. The stomach is where foods are broken down into their energetic

and material components and heat facilitates that process, particularly

if enzymes are weak. The material components of the digested food descend

into the intestines, where bile and other processes come into play while

the qi of the food goes to the Spleen (as is understood in Chinese

medicine).



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

If you drink from a bottle marked "Poison" it is almost certain to

disagree with you sooner or later. -Lewis Carroll



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: weight loss

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:36:15 -0700

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> Tourists always wonder how Chinese people can eat so much and

> still stay thin. The answer is: They eat cooked foods, no salads, very

> little fruit, no dairy products. 



Traditional Chinese people ate lots of dairy products. During the Song

dynasty, for instance (~1000 CE), there were government agencies to assure

the quality of the horse kefir that was highly sought after as a dietary

item. 



The modern non-eating of dairy by the Chinese is more a reflection of a

lack of pasture in a mountainous land as it gave way to a very dense

agricultural (and later civic and industrial) design.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: weight loss

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:36:30 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by p_iannone@lamg.com :



> But, I'm trying to reconcile that to the use of bitter herbs in Western

> tradition for stimulating digestion - I've also seen that work and

> help weight loss as well.  



Good point, and it has to do with this other thing I harp on, the proper

definition of a 'tonic.' 



Cold, bitter herbs when used as 'digestive tonics' 'stimulate' (actually:

harmonize and cool) overheated livers. Bitters are cholegogues, they bring

about flow of bile, but, unknown to scientistas, they also COOL the bile,

which is a major factor in healing the digestion. Hot bile is not so good

for the digestive tract.



>Most of the bitter herbs are

> energetically cooling.  Even if warming digestives are not added to

> a cooling bitter formula it will increase digestive energy.



In the short term, and especially in excess-type cases. Where the liver is

hot, you can cool the liver, and that will bring about digestive harmony.

But that doesn't mean you should give bitters to someone who is depleted,

with a lack of liver and stomach qi. In such cases, digestive bitters,

tonics, will harm.



Historically, tonics were used by people who ate high fat, high flesh-food

diets, and had hardy lifestyles. Those lifestyles tend toward excess.

Modern people tend far more to depletion, if not deficiency. That they eat

high fat diets as well is certainly cause for illness, and bitters can

cure some of that. But a more cautious observation will tell more of the

story.



The cure for excess cannot be 'imported' as the sole therapy for

deficiency. It has the wrong polarity for the case, especially if

over-relied upon.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: epilepsy

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:41:19 EDT

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>  I have a tape by Tierona Low Dog, a class she did a few years ago, 

>  where she mentions that she has epilepsy and has controlled it for years 

>  using basically valerian and black cohosh.  Black cohosh is a wonderful 

>  antispasmodic and might help with the PMS, too.



There's alot written about the beneficial effects of black cohosh on PMS,

but can you tell us more about epilepsy ...for example any specific types

or all forms of epilepsy?



Elliot Freeman



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: epilepsy

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:02:17 -0500

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I would like to know more about the tape too.

Linda



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: epilepsy

From: Pamela Quayle <herbgatherer@snet.net>

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:00:12 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by herbgatherer@snet.net :



> >  I have a tape by Tierona Low Dog, a class she did a few years ago,

> >  where she mentions that she has epilepsy and has controlled it for years

> >  using basically valerian and black cohosh.  Black cohosh is a wonderful

> >  antispasmodic and might help with the PMS, too.

>

> There's alot written about the beneficial effects of black cohosh on PMS,

> but can you tell us more about epilepsy ...for example any specific types

> or all forms of epilepsy?



Sorry, I really don't have more information, I believe she was discussing

maximum dosage of black cohosh and effects of taking too much when she

mentioned her experience, not epilepsy in particular.  I just threw it out as

an item that might deserve further research - I imagine the antispasmodic

action and perhaps the hormone balancing actions could be beneficial.  The

eclectics were quite fond of black cohosh, perhaps there is more information in

some of their books.  Since there is other interest in the tape I'll dig it out

and listen again and post information of exactly what lecture it is and where I

got it.  May take a few days though - crazy busy time of year for us farmer

types.



pamela



>

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re:eating right

From: "plantpeople" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:46:12 -0500

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Second, has anyone tried to eat all those "suggested" helpings

> every day? Frankly, I just can't eat that much. Third, to truly eat

"right"

> we'd have to grown all our own organically, raise our own cows, chickens,

> whatever, grow what THEY eat...and who can do that? Not many us I'm

afraid.



Well, my family come mighty close to that.  We raise our own vegetables,

wildcraft herbs, grow our chickens (and give them orgnic feed), put by

venison, organic pork, vegetables, weeds , berries for winter, etc.

However, even so the food is only as good as the soil you grow it in  Our

Great Lakes soil are notoriously deficient in many trace minerals.  They

have to be supplemented.  So I buy seaweed, an herbal trace mineral

supplement.

    But its just not enough.  We still have to supplement, especially in

times of stress, when during our long northen winters, when pregnant,

nursing, during illness or when going in 12 different directions -

especially the B and C vitamin groups - Ca/Mg during winter months when

fresh greens are simply unavailable.

    Lastly the above demands hard work.  I find it is no problem to eat all

those helpings - and then some.  When we are working outside most the day ,

I would't be surprised if we are eating over 5000 - calories a day - without

weight concerns.   If eating those basic helpings is too much for you, then

I suggest to you that additional physical activity may remedy that

situation.

JoyceW



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Newbie with question

From: Linda G Goggans <linda@uta.edu>

Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:00:01 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Linda <linda@uta.edu> :



Hello,



I have recently signed up for the list and would like to say hello and ask a

question.  Do any of you know of something that will work on dry skin eczema

or can you point me in the right direction?



I have had a horrible itch at my ankle bones each summer or any time when

there is very high humidity and heat since about 1986.  Most times I visit a

doctor they say Cortizone.  I have been unable to find anything which will

get rid of it.  I have always thought of eczema as something that was patchy

skin conditions.  Mine does not look as if there is actually anything wrong.

Looking at the skin you don't see anything, but upon feeling it, you can

feel tiny bumps underneath the surface.  



Two years ago, I used something called "Angel Oil" and I thought I had

almost found a cure.  If I had a problem with the skin, the Angel oil would

clear up the current problem, but it came back.  Last year, the same oil,

even a new bottle, did nothing.  I have used several types of essential oil

and even went as far as to purchase something called "Thieves Oil".  That

helped to alleviate the itching, but did not dry or should I say heal the

area.  The itching is so intolerable that sometimes it wakes me at night.

Recently, I have actively been attempting to dry the area with various

essential oils.  I have managed to dry the skin, but I over did it and it

almost looks as if I had burns and they are healing.



I don't know why, but until this year I never thought to check with other

members of my family.  When I did, I found that my mom, sister and daughter

each have the same condition, but they are only bothered once or twice a

year.  It sounds as if it is an inherited allergy, but I am unable to find

anyone else who has ever heard of such.



I apologize for all the details, but I wanted to let you know what I had

attempted.  If anyone has a suggestion or a reference book I can look in, I

would appreciate it.  I have just started reading books on herbs and have

not found anything in the ones I have purchased.



Thanks,



Linda



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Newbie with question

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:22:39 -0400

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First, excema is not just a topical condition.  It is a topical

expression of an internal condition.  So you have to treat from inside

out.  First you need to try and identify what allergen triggers the

condition.  It may be something seasonal- my grandmother reacted to

shellfish when they fed upon certain summer plankton.  Or it may be that

the stresses of summer (heat, humidity, food choices, pollens) trigger

you into overload and you react then but not at other times.



Your skin is your largest organ of elimination. So after eliminating the

offending allergen, I would try to induce sweating to move the toxins

out. Peppermint , a cooling diaphoretic, might be good for this.  (and

eliminate coffee when you are dealing with this type of condition, since

your liver needs a rest so it can deal with the irritant.)  Avoid

cortisone.  It drives things in deeper and they are likely to express

themselves in a more virulent form.



Oatstraw, a nourishing nervine and stinging nettles, a mineral-rich

antihistamine may be of use as well.  Burdock is cooling and good for

both the skin and the liver. Licorice helps harmonize everything and

tonifies the adrenals.  You can buy a bag of licorice slices in a Chinese

grocery store.



I'd make an infusion by putting 1/2 ounce of oatstraw, 1/4 ounce of

nettles and 1/4 ounce of peppermint leaves in a quart jar.  Fill with

boiling water in which you have boiled 2 tablespoons of chopped burdock

root and two slices of licorice for at least 15 minutes, and cap.  Let

steep overnight and strain in the morning.  Drink at room temperature

throughout the day.



And if you are really adventurous, try throwing fresh violet leaves into

the blender and pack the resulting mash around your ankles, holding it in

place with some saran wrap.  The violet leaves are cooling, will help

draw out the toxins and have asprin-like compounds to relieve the itch. 

Leave on a few hours or overnight. (If overnight, cover with socks which

can be grass-stained to protect your bedding).



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

If you drink from a bottle marked "Poison" it is almost certain to

disagree with you sooner or later. -Lewis Carroll



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Newbie with question

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:32:08 -0400

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Karen S Vaughan wrote:



> And if you are really adventurous, try throwing fresh violet leaves into

> the blender and pack the resulting mash around your ankles, holding it in

> place with some saran wrap.  The violet leaves are cooling, will help

> draw out the toxins and have asprin-like compounds to relieve the itch.

> Leave on a few hours or overnight. (If overnight, cover with socks which

> can be grass-stained to protect your bedding).



Interesting!  Do you know if the leaves infused in oil will work?  I'd like to

have some around for the winter.



May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Newbie with question

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:14:27 -0400

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<<Interesting!  Do you know if the leaves infused in oil will work?  I'd

like to have some around for the winter.>>



I don't think that an oil infusion will work for poulticing excema, but I

grind it up in the blender, fill a sandwich sized freezer bag and freeze

it.  I also use this methodwith plantain and fresh bath herbs.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

If you drink from a bottle marked "Poison" it is almost certain to

disagree with you sooner or later. -Lewis Carroll



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Newbie with question

From: Ingrid Turray <pusspuss@surrealistic.org>

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:32:23 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Ingrid G.Turay <pusspuss@surrealistic.org> :



Hello there...I cant remember if I have actually posted any questions or

comments so I guess I will begin by saying hello to everyone....My name is

Ingrid and Im 29 years old livin in Seattle Washington....So...Ive got a

problem....



Ive been reading the emails about excema....I have psoriosis...On the palm of

my hands..my right wrist...the back of my neck and on my ankle where I had one

gotten a tatoo....I have had this since I was about 18....I have gone to 3-4

dermatologists over the years and of course they have prescribed every

medicine but I have had nooooooo luck getting rid of this...I tried going

tanning (which has been effective in reducing the look of the areas) but it

certainly does not stop the consistant itching.....



I have also heard about doing a liver cleanse..although Im a little scared

cause I dont want it to make the situation worse....

So my question is...what can I do? And if the answer is to cleanse the liver

than how should I go about doin this...Please help..Im about to cry....I am

sooo tired and embarrassed of dealing with this...I work in retail and people

will often not even take the money from my hand because they think I am

gross....HELP?





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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Newbie with question

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:53:17 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :



Linda G Goggans wrote:



> Do any of you know of something that will work on dry skin eczema

> or can you point me in the right direction?

>

> I have had a horrible itch at my ankle bones each summer or any time when

> there is very high humidity and heat since about 1986.  Most times I visit a

> doctor they say Cortizone.  I have been unable to find anything which will

> get rid of it.  I have always thought of eczema as something that was patchy

> skin conditions.  Mine does not look as if there is actually anything wrong.

> Looking at the skin you don't see anything, but upon feeling it, you can

> feel tiny bumps underneath the surface.



Hi Linda,



I recently posted to the list with a similar problem.  Mine is mostly on my

scalp, but also elbows and other areas.  Chickweed (stellaria media) ointment

helps but I couldn't put ointment in my hair.



I did finally see my dermatologist for a regular checkup (I have rosacea) and

she did say it's seborrheic dermatitis and eczema (the elbows are bumpy, as you

described) and she prescribed a cortisone ointment, and a prescription drops for

the scalp.  For now I'm doing it, because the itching is driving me nuts, but I

plan to take Paul's advice on the list to use an EFA supplement and hope that

takes care of it long-term.  I also need to make myself some more chickweed

ointment.



Does anyone know if chickweed infused in water or perhaps witch hazel would help

on my scalp?



Good luck to us both!

May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Newbie with question

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:57:41 EDT

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In a message dated 4/28/00 12:50:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mterry@snet.net 

writes:



<< Does anyone know if chickweed infused in water or perhaps witch hazel 

would help

 on my scalp?



 Good luck to us both!

 May

  >>



Hi May -



Another way to look at this is that most skin eruptions or rashes can be a 

symptom of a needed cleanse.  Something inside has become toxic.  When the 

body becomes too toxic it stops giving to areas in the order of importance 

(i.e., first hair, nails, skin) then on into organs.  So a good internal 

cleanse might be of great help to you.  I am forwarding our lesson on 

cleansing in the hope it sounds "doable" and will be of some help.



Also infusing the chickweed in witch hazel sounds good, just let it sit for 

longer than 2 weeks or so.  I have used witch hazel as a menstruum before with 

good results.



Warmly -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH, N.D.

Professional Consultations/Online Classes-Registration thru 4/10/00

Botanical Pharmacy, Burtonsville, Md.

Catalogue thru:  Herbgrow30@aol.com

Specializing in Substance Abuse/Addictions Counseling

                                                ***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Newbie with question

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:14:24 -0400

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Herbgrow30@aol.com wrote:



> Another way to look at this is that most skin eruptions or rashes can be a

> symptom of a needed cleanse.  Something inside has become toxic.  When the

> body becomes too toxic it stops giving to areas in the order of importance

> (i.e., first hair, nails, skin) then on into organs.  So a good internal

> cleanse might be of great help to you.  I am forwarding our lesson on

> cleansing in the hope it sounds "doable" and will be of some help.



Thanks for forwarding the info, Mary.  I am hypoglycemic (and also had

gestational diabetes, which combination is not a surprise, of course) so I do

have problems with fasts.  But I think I can use a lot of the information.  I do

use "detox" type teas every day, on the theory that they probably do help

somewhat.



> Also infusing the chickweed in witch hazel sounds good, just let it sit for

> longer than 2 weeks or so.



Did you mean to say DON'T let it sit longer than two weeks?  The way you phrased

it, I wasn't sure.



Thanks,

May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Newbie with question

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:22:46 EDT

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In a message dated 4/28/00 10:20:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

creationsgarden@juno.com writes:



<< I don't think that an oil infusion will work for poulticing excema, but I

 grind it up in the blender, fill a sandwich sized freezer bag and freeze

 it.  I also use this methodwith plantain and fresh bath herbs.



 Karen Vaughan >>

 Hi Karen -



I love this...I do it with fresh herbs too.  Works very well.



Warmly -

Mary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Newbie with question

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 02:10:38 EDT

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In a message dated 4/29/00 1:59:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mterry@snet.net 

writes:



<< Did you mean to say DON'T let it sit longer than two weeks?  The way you 

phrased it, I wasn't sure.

  >>



Hi May -



Let it go a bit over 2 weeks, into two and a half to three or so.



Warmly -

Mary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Newbie with question

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:16:50 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Herbgrow30@aol.com wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>In a message dated 4/29/00 1:59:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mterry@snet.net 

>writes:

><< Did you mean to say DON'T let it sit longer than two weeks?  The way you phrased

> it, I wasn't sure.>>

>

>Let it go a bit over 2 weeks, into two and a half to three or so.



You're obviously talking about tincture, not tea, right?



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Newbie with question

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:58:03 EDT

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In a message dated 4/29/00 2:21:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 

hetta@saunalahti.fi writes:



<< Let it go a bit over 2 weeks, into two and a half to three or so.



 You're obviously talking about tincture, not tea, right?



 Henriette

  >>



Oops, yes - tincture.  Thanks, Henriette.



Warmly -

Mary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: TCM, food theory, was Re: 1. Weight Loss

From: p_iannone@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:20:58 -0700

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> Paul Pitchford's "Healing with Whole Foods." Including the index, it's

over 700

> pages, and even includes some recipes. 



This is the sort of fetishism I am specifically NOT recommending, just to

be clear. 



It is very important to grasp the major points, and let the minor points

go. After all, the purpose of life is not eating. Rather than studying

diet to the nth degree, get the basic ideas, eat, be happy, and mazel tov.



After all, the main sign of weak digestion is worrying. Accumulating

endless details is something worriers do. Realizing that the great

cuisines of the world ALL are formed around solid traditional experience

and insight, SHOULD be a great relief. You don't have to try to rebuild

those generations of insight piece by piece. Just eat the food, and relish

its artistry.



> There are numerous other general (lay) books on TCM in general, 



TCM is a convenient acronym, but not accurate. Chinese healing is vastly

bigger than TCM is conceived to be. Chinese healing comes out of an

ENTIRELY different worldview than the modern view. TCM is a modernization

of that ancient model, and one that suffers from an inherent limitation in

the validation of ideas that are anathema to the materialist conceptions

of the modernizers.



For instance, qi this, qi that. The modern translation of qi is 'breath.'

That is about as big a misconception as you can find, but it suits modern

orientations OK. 



But how to understand the Chinese healing traditional idea that rocks, for

instance, have qi. After all, can't really refer to the 'influence' of a

rock--we're 'past' such foolishness. And, uh, rocks don't breathe. So the

tradition must have been wrong, 'primitive.'



Except, of course, rocks do have qi. [In fact, plenty of native peoples

believe that rocks have souls, and can communicate, and in fact have said

some real important things. Oops! Best not tell the materialists.]



Take 'dragon bone,' for instance. The fossil bones of big mammals like

mammoths. This 'rock' "is" just "calcium phosphate and some trace

minerals." And, indeed, we know that calcium is a sedative. But

unfortunately for the materialists, dragon bone has a noted and surprising

calming effect not found in 'just calcium phosphate.' 



There's something to this rock that STILL reflects the fact, the --qi--,

of a once living, nearly mythical being. 



TCM is an offshoot of scientism, the overweening faith in science. Chinese

healing is an offshoot of an entirely different rational and nonrational

set of worldviews.



> some more

> valuable and helpful than others. Of the several I have, I suppose

"Between

> Heaven and Earth" by Benfield and Korngold is the one I like best. But

> you'll have to be the judge. Others might have better recommendations.



Not so many, but Heaven and Earth is full of unfounded speculations. Sorry

to be such a wet rag, but it is all too easy to race off into apparent

understandings of things, and derive glosses that are ultimately

impractical. How much worse to project those misunderstandings

'authoritatively.' 



I'd rather spend five minutes with Subhuti Dharmananda or Giovanni

Maciocia, than a lifetime with Beinfield and Korngold. 'Lay' texts, when

it comes to translation of ancient concepts,  are generally for people who

want to acquire misunderstandings that are confluent with their

presumptions. 



If you want to understand Chinese healing, prepare to look deeply. Read

the best sources, no matter how far they may seem above your head. At

least then you will retain a glimmering of something real, instead of a

full-blown reality that is nothing but guesswork.



Paul



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: was Newbie with question,now violets.

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:56:18 -0400

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 And if you are really adventurous, try throwing fresh violet  leaves

into  the blender....  The violet leaves are cooling, will  help draw out

the toxins and have asprin-like compounds to relieve the  itch. 



.... leaves infused in oil ... I'd like to have some around for the

winter.

My question, if it is edible, will it spoil like food?  Does it need

something stronger with it for shelf life, or should one simply rinse,

bag and freeze, and label so you remember what you froze it for?

Marcia<ngbard@juno.com>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Blood Vessel Tone

From: "Dan & Cindy Lee" <akalo@discoverynet.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:09:15 -0500

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Which herbs are best for blood vessel tone?



Cindy



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Blood Vessel Tone

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 02:13:29 EDT

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akalo@discoverynet.com writes:

<< Which herbs are best for blood vessel tone?

 Cindy

>>



Hi Cindy -



To assist with the strength of cell walls and capillaries you can use 

bioflavonoids; also horsechestnut will strengthen blood vessel walls that are 

very fragile.



Warmly -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH, N.D.

Professional Consultations/Online Classes-Registration thru 4/10/00

Botanical Pharmacy, Burtonsville, Md.

Catalogue thru:  Herbgrow30@aol.com

Specializing in Substance Abuse/Addictions Counseling

                                                ***************************

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Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Blood Vessel Tone

From: HHNM@aol.com

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:34:05 EDT

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Another excellent herb to add to the list of "blood vessel toners" is 

feverfew. This is an excellent herb that is successfully used for the 

symptoms of vascular, cluster, migraine, and tension headaches. It can also 

be used daily as a preventative for headaches. It acts to strengthen the 

vessel tone, which is often somewhat damaged in persons who have frequent 

headaches. The vessels over stretch and become less elastic and resilient. 

Feverfew helps restore the vessel tone making them stronger and more 

resilient. Horse chestnut, as another member suggested, and ginger root 

powder are also worth mentioning. Hope this helps.



My Best,



Margot



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Blood Vessel Tone

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:26:03 -0400

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On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:34:05 EDT HHNM@aol.com writes:

> Sent to the herblist by HHNM@aol.com :

> 

> Another excellent herb to add to the list of "blood vessel toners" >

feverfew. > resilient. Horse chestnut, and ginger root powder...



 excellent and in addition, how about bilberry, and GLA sources like

borage and black currant and evening primrose oils?

Marcia<ngbard@juno.com>

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Blood Vessel Tone

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:48:16 -0400

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Any herbs or fruits, veggies that contain bioflavanoids.

C-M

Sent to the herblist by Cindy Lee <akalo@discoverynet.com> :



Which herbs are best for blood vessel tone?



Cindy



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Blood Vessel Tone

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 03:28:45 -0700

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>Cindy wrote>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>Which herbs are best for blood vessel tone?

>



We are talking connective tissue here.

I like hawthorn, but truly most of those "rose" fruits have some

bioflavonoids that help to improve vessel flexability ( that apple,pear,

berry a day you know).

   How about some grapes, remember to chew up the seeds. Garlic and onion

skins. The connecting parts of lotus roots.

   St. John's wort oil topically.

Try to avoid hydrogenated oil -very irritating to the vessels and of little

usefulness(if any).

Sharon in Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: was Newbie with question,now violets.---now African  Violets?

From: Victoria Satta <victoria2@erols.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:42:00 -0400

--------

Sent to the herblist by victoria satta <victoria2@erols.com> :



At 05:56 PM 04/28/00 -0400, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by marcia v grossbard <ngbard@juno.com> :

>

>.... leaves infused in oil ... I'd like to have some around for the

>winter.



 African Violets or purple pansies??  Where do you get a large number of them?



Victoria



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: was Newbie with question,now violets.---now African  Violets?

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:18:08 -0400

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Victoria Satta wrote:



> >.... leaves infused in oil ... I'd like to have some around for the

> >winter.

>

>  African Violets or purple pansies??  Where do you get a large number of them?



I'm assuming we're talking about viola odorata.  I have zillions of them in my

yard.



May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: was Newbie with question,now violets.---now African  Violets?

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:23:49 EDT

--------

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In a message dated 4/28/00 10:50:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

victoria2@erols.com writes:



<< African Violets or purple pansies??  Where do you get a large number of 

them?

  >>



Hi Victoria -



Not African Violets, the little wild ones you see on your lawn or by gardens. 

 They are on farms, in open fields, come on up to the farm and pick some.



Warmly -

Mary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: was Newbie with question,now violets.---now African  Violets?

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:00:25 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



> African Violets or purple pansies??  Where do you get a large number 

>of them?



Neither one.  Viola odorata, the common violet.  Pansies are relatives

but not as potent and missing the salicylicates if I am not mistaken. 

African violets are another genus altogether.  Violets have a

characteristic heart-shaped leaf and tiny purple pseudoflowers, very high

in Vitamin C.  They are woodland flowers with a tendency to be invasive. 

Once started in a compatible location they reseed from nearly invisible

green flowers in the fall.  You can eat all the purple flowers you want

without harming the plant's reproductive ability.



Howie Bronstein has a great article on violets as a proposed new fad herb

at http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

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disagree with you sooner or later. -Lewis Carroll



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: was Newbie with question,now violets.---now African  Violets?

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:13:14 -0400

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>  African Violets or purple pansies??> viola odorata and viola

cuculatta, perennials, as opposed to pansies which are grown as annuals,

with great effort around here.  African violets, btw are Saintpaulia sp.,

and are not violets at all but gesneriads with a popular name that stuck.



  Where do you get a large number of them? right now, in my highly

purpled lawn, which some folk consider a disgrace in Eastern

Massachusetts, where more should be known about the values of perennial

herbs.   Marcia<ngbard@juno.com

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Psoriasis, was Re: Newbie with question

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:16:08 +0300

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Ingrid Turray <pusspuss@surrealistic.org> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>Ive been reading the emails about excema....I have psoriosis...On the palm of

>my hands..my right wrist...the back of my neck and on my ankle where I had one

>gotten a tatoo....I have had this since I was about 18....I have gone to 3-4

>dermatologists over the years and of course they have prescribed every

>medicine but I have had nooooooo luck getting rid of this...I tried going

>tanning (which has been effective in reducing the look of the areas) but it

>certainly does not stop the consistant itching.....



You can't get rid of psoriasis, it's genetic. You can lessen its effects. These

things you should do:



- reduce or remove all adrenalin enhancers. That's coffee, cola drinks (and any

other herbs/drinks which contain caffeine), alcohol, tobacco, stress, ...

- do berberis/mahonia and/or burdock teas. With burdock it doesn't matter which

species, it doesn't matter if you use root, leaf or seed, just -use- it. Note

that leaf is extremely diuretic. With Berberis / Mahonia it doesn't matter which

species, just so long as you don't dig any that are endangered. And some of the

Mahonias have yellow leaf veins. If you find one of those you're in luck, as you

then don't need to dig roots, you can use the leaf.

- do berberis/mahonia and/or burdock salves. Very soothing.



The Berberis/Mahonia and/or burdock help you because they lessen your blood

load. That means you -still- have to keep your stress down.



Also check which food groups you are sensitive to, and -avoid- them. Three main

groups:

- psoriatics can be very sensitive to plants in the Solanaceae family. That's

potato, tomato, chili, paprika, sweet pepper, aubergine...

- milk sugar and/or milk proteins

- gluten. That's found in wheat, oats, barley and rye.



How to test which it is with you: remove all and any of the first group from

your diet for three weeks. Check labels, potato starch is found in the weirdest

places. Wasn't that one? Go back to your taters, but remove all and any milk

products from your diet for three weeks. Check labels, lactose is found in the

most interesting things. Wasn't that one? Go back to your cream cheese, but

remove all and any gluten from your diet. Check labels, wheat flour is found in

a lot of foods. Wasn't that one?

Try a scratch test. Any food not in above group, that you suspect might make

your flareups worse: scratch lightly along the inside of your arm. Rub the

suspected food item along the scratch. Get an angry red welt, right away? Avoid

that food. Get more red swelling than on the control scratch on the other arm?

Avoid that food. No reaction? Dig in.



Good luck.

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: was Newbie with question,now violets.---now African   Violets?

From: Victoria Satta <victoria2@erols.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:24:03 -0400

--------

Sent to the herblist by victoria satta <victoria2@erols.com> :



At 11:23 PM 04/28/00 -0400, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by herbgrow30@aol.com :

>

>

>Hi Victoria -

>

>Not African Violets, the little wild ones you see on your lawn or by gardens. 

> They are on farms, in open fields, come on up to the farm and pick some.

>

>Warmly -

>Mary



That would be great... I'll try to do that in the next few days.   I was

wondering because my African Violets aren't that plentiful!   :-)



Thanks....



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Freezing Herbs (Prev. Newbie question on eczema)

From: "Susan D. Kueffer" <sdkueff@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 06:39:44 -0700

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Hi all,



At 10:14 PM 4/28/2000 -0400, Karen wrote:

>I don't think that an oil infusion will work for poulticing excema, but I

>grind it up in the blender, fill a sandwich sized freezer bag and freeze

>it.  I also use this methodwith plantain and fresh bath herbs.



I'm curious to know more about freezing herbs.



I like the idea of freezing herbs.  We've always frozen vegetables from our 

garden, rather than canning them, but we had to blanch them prior to 

freezing.  I believe the purpose in doing this was to halt the enzyme 

action that caused the produce to mature, so the vegetables wouldn't be 

overripe when thawed.  Is it necessary to do anything to preserve the 

quality of the herb before freezing it?



Can any herb be frozen?  If not, how would I go about finding out which 

herbs would handle being frozen, and which herbs would not?



What is the maximum length of time an herb can be kept in the freezer 

before it would no longer be usable?



Can anyone suggest a book, or perhaps a web site, where I could get more 

information on this subject?



Thanks.



Susan



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Freezing Herbs

From: "Susan D. Kueffer" <sdkueff@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 06:42:26 -0700

--------

Sent to the herblist by susan d. kueffer <sdkueff@mindspring.com> :



Karen,



At 10:14 PM 4/28/2000 -0400, Karen wrote:

>I also use this methodwith plantain and fresh bath herbs.



Which herbs do you usually combine and freeze for bath herbs?



Susan



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Freezing Herbs

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:35:56 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



<<Which herbs do you usually combine and freeze for bath herbs?>>



Melissa, catnip, plantain, violet leaves.  If I get enough agastache this

year I'll definitely try it.  Has anyone tried rose petals?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

If you drink from a bottle marked "Poison" it is almost certain to

disagree with you sooner or later. -Lewis Carroll



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Freezing Herbs

From: Victoria Satta <victoria2@erols.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:44:20 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by victoria satta <victoria2@erols.com> :



At 10:35 AM 04/29/00 -0400, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



>Melissa, catnip, plantain, violet leaves.  If I get enough agastache this

>year I'll definitely try it.  Has anyone tried rose petals?



I use rose petal water splash... ummm... the big ? is how do you do that?

Anyone know how to make it?



Thanks,

Victoria



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Freezing Herbs

From: Ingrid Kast Fuller <ingrid@cityscope.net>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:31:09 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by ingrid@cityscope.net :



Victoria Satta wrote:

> 

> >Melissa, catnip, plantain, violet leaves.  If I get enough agastache this

> >year I'll definitely try it.  Has anyone tried rose petals?

> 

> I use rose petal water splash... ummm... the big ? is how do you do that?

> Anyone know how to make it?

I have a book here with one way of doing it. I tried it and I don't

think I did it right.

Let me find it and I'll post the instructions.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Freezing Herbs

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:51:28 -0400

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I don't blanche my herbs, just grind them up.  I also freeze jewelweed

for poison ivy.  



Herbs probably last as long as leafy greens in the freezer.  The amount

of air left in the bag reduces shelf life and double bagging prolongs it.

 Vacuum sealing probably is best, if you have a unit



Obviously there isn't a lot of traditional literature on freezing herbs. 

Follow what you know from freezing food.  Make sure the herb is frozen in

the portion size you normally use.  Roots work, greens too, although they

are somewhat less durable.  Offhand I wouldn't freeze an herb I use for

heating purposes- it doesn't seem energetically appropriate.  



I'd be interested in seeing whether valerian root survives without

degradation after freezing, since it doesn't work the same way whenl

dried.  If anyone growing it wants to experiment, report back!



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: nettles ? was Re: Newbie with question

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:58:07 -0500 (CDT)

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Thanks for the infusion recipe!  The detox infusion recipes often look

just like the herbal teas that are recommended to treat allergies and

acne.  



On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Karen S Vaughan wrote:



> Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :

> Oatstraw, a nourishing nervine and stinging nettles, a mineral-rich

> antihistamine may be of use as well.  Burdock is cooling and good for



Are all nettles antihistamine, or are stinging nettles the only

antihistamine nettles?  Which part is used in the infusion, the nettles

themselves (flowers), leaves and roots?  Does it matter if the nettles are

dried or fresh?



I am trying to deal with severe nasal allergies that run in my family.  I

already use milk thisle, dandelion, licorice, green tea, mullein and some

other anti-catarrhal/detox herbs at low doses, in teas peridically. 



I have moved recently and have thistles all over my yard.  Originally I

thought the thistles were dandelions but they have spikes so we decided

they were some kind of local thistle.  I am wondering if there is anything

I need to be careful of if I decide to dig these thistles up and preserve 

(beyond toxic fertilizers or poisons used by the former owner of the

house.  The former owner swears he never used any toxic chemicals).

Iris and I have been talking about this too.  I am in the Austin Texas

area.  Iris said all the thistles around here are edible.  Does anyone

have any handy methods for harvesting and/or removing the spikes?



Thanks,



Barbara



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: nettles ? was Re: Newbie with question

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:03:06 -0400

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>

> I have moved recently and have thistles all over my yard.  Originally I

> thought the thistles were dandelions but they have spikes so we decided

> they were some kind of local thistle.  I am wondering if there is anything

> I need to be careful of if I decide to dig these thistles up and preserve

> (beyond toxic fertilizers or poisons used by the former owner of the

> house.  The former owner swears he never used any toxic chemicals).

> Iris and I have been talking about this too.  I am in the Austin Texas

> area.  Iris said all the thistles around here are edible.  Does anyone

> have any handy methods for harvesting and/or removing the spikes?

>

==============I just want to make a short caution about harvesting in areas

that aren't well known to yourself. The previous owners may have treated the

yard and you don't want that crap in your body. However, since you have

thistles, my guess is they didn't treat the yard. ;)



Does anyone know how long it takes after you treat an area with chemicals

before the soil is free of it?



Susan



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Newbie with question/eczema

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:10:54 EDT

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>  I have recently signed up for the list and would like to say hello and ask 

a

>  question.  Do any of you know of something that will work on dry skin 

eczema

>  or can you point me in the right direction?



You might want to try a product containing Chinese herbs that has been

shown to be effective for eczema. In two short-term trials, beneficial 

responses were found in both children[1] and adults[2] with atopic 

eczema. In a one-year study, Sheehan and coworkers evaluated these 

herbs in 37 children whose parents elected for continuation of active 

treatment from the previous study. At the end of one year, 18 (49%)

achieved at least 90% reductions in eczema activity scores and 5 

(13.5%) showed lesser degrees of improvement. Fourteen children 

withdrew from the study, 10 due to lack of response and 4 because 

of unpalatability. Seven of the 37 were able to discontinue treatment 

without relapse. The Chinese herbs given in combination as a 

decoction (herbs boiled in water then strained) were listed as follows: 

Ledebouriella seseoides, Potentilla chinensis, Clematis armandii,

Rehmannia glutinosa, Paeonie lactiflora, Lophaterum gracile, 

Dictamnus dasycarpus, Tribulus terrestris, Glycyrrhiza uralensis, 

and Schizonepeta tenuifolia. It was concluded that Chinese medicinal 

herbs provide a therapeutic option for children with extensive eczema 

which has failed to respond to other treatments.[3]



An email acquaintance of mine, Anthony Payne, duplicated the formula 

and tested if out in a capsulated preparation to eliminate the "foul" taste 

of the tea. His results paralleled those seen in the previous trials, and 

was effective not just for eczema but for other conditions in which 

certain species of free radicals and highly inflammatory substances 

(leukotrienes and prostaglandins) play a role. The conditions which 

have shown a significant clinical response to the eczema formula include: 

asthma, emphysema, psoriasis, certain rheumatic conditions, and 

numerous neurological maladies.[4]



     One of Payne's more memorable and very telltale cases involved a 

Vietnam vet, who presented with a rash and pustules over 90% of his body

and Dallas-Texas VA physicians were unable to effectively manage the

condition despite prescribing heavy doses of oral steroids coupled with

liberal application of various topicals. The gentleman was started on 1

Eczema Tea formula capsule 3 x daily for the first two weeks - then the 

dosage was increased to 2 capsules 4 x daily. Within eight weeks after 

commencing the course of therapy the rash and pustules had faded and 

essentially dried up. After another 3-4 weeks, he had virtually no visible 

evidence of what had been an almost three decade long nightmare.[4] 



Another very typical case: The UPS driver who serves Payne's laboratory

account had eczema most of his fifty-odd years. After treatment with E-Tea

capsules for six weeks, his skin condition went into total remission.[4]



     The Payne formula was donated to a California firm (PC Tea Company) 

which specializes in producing Chinese traditional medicines. The PC Tea 

Company can be reached at 1-800-423-8727. (no commercial interest).



Perhaps Paul or one of the other experts in Chinese herbal medicine can

provide additional information on the E-Tea formula.



1. Sheehan MP. Br J Dermatol 1992;126:179-84   

2. Shehan MP. Lancet 1992;340:13-17                

3. Sheehan MP Br J Dermatol 1994;130:488-93

4. Personal Communication; Dr. A.G. Payne; Sep'98



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter Service

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Nettles

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 22:08:13 -0400

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As far as I know only stinging nettles, Urtica dioica, are

antihistaminic.  Fresh, frozen or freeze-dried are apparently best

according to the constituent analysts, although I know many herbalists

who swear they work dried.  We are talking leaves here and since nettles

can develop cystoliths after flowering, they are best harvested before. 

In fact it is best to keep using your nettles in a way that cuts them

back so they don't flower.  Reduces their invasiveness a little too.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

If you drink from a bottle marked "Poison" it is almost certain to

disagree with you sooner or later. -Lewis Carroll



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Nettles

From: mango <mango@gelrevision.nl>

Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:46:38 +0200

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> Urtica dioica, are antihistaminic.



What is "antihistaminic" again? I forgot. Thanks,

Joel



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Nettles

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:36:25 -0400

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I use dried nettles and they work well for me. I've never used them any

other way, so it's possible they work much better in the other forms. But a

little dried nettles added to my hot tea does help.



Susan H.



> As far as I know only stinging nettles, Urtica diocia, are

> antihistaminic.  Fresh, frozen or freeze-dried are apparently best

> according to the constituent analysts, although I know many herbalists

> who swear they work dried.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Chemically treated areas

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 22:15:04 -0400

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<<Does anyone know how long it takes after you treat an area with

chemicals before the soil is free of it?>>



It depends, usually 3-6 years.  However an enzymatic product called

Nitron (nci) which greatly enhances soil life seems to remove residues

within a year or two (at least in several tested fields I am aware of). 

It also reduces the need for fertilizer, makes hardpan more friable and

generally helps plants grow in areas that are challenging.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

If you drink from a bottle marked "Poison" it is almost certain to

disagree with you sooner or later. -Lewis Carroll



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Chemically treated areas

From: "Harkins" <harkins@sky1.net>

Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:38:22 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by harkins <harkins@sky1.net> :



 Thanks Karen, this is good information. I'll check it out. We don't treat

our yard, well, almost never, only when the weeds and bugs because so

unbearable we can't enjoy our yard. We've been here six years and only

treated the yard once. But we don't treat the areas we use for the gardens,

just the grass areas. We'd like a good alternative.



Susan H.



However an enzymatic product called

> Nitron (nci) which greatly enhances soil life seems to remove residues

> within a year or two (at least in several tested fields I am aware of).

> It also reduces the need for fertilizer, makes hardpan more friable and

> generally helps plants grow in areas that are challenging.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: chaperel?

From: "gardenthyme~lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 22:04:38 -0500

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Someone was asking if I had chaperel (sp?) today or knew of where to

get a plant.  I looked for it in the herb books I have and can't find

it.  She said it has anti-cancer properties and the FDA wanted to ban

it.

Does anyone know about this herb?

Dee



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: chaperel?

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 03:41:36 -0700

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>Sent to the herblist by gardenthyme~lady <dblan@netusa1.net> :

>

>Someone was asking if I had chaperel (sp?) today or knew of where to

>get a plant.  I looked for it in the herb books I have and can't find

>it.  She said it has anti-cancer properties and the FDA wanted to ban

>it.

>Does anyone know about this herb?

>Dee



Hello Dee,

There are many bushes called chaparral, but I am guessing that it the one

you are talking about is Larrea.It grows here in the SW and I have several

wild bushes in the yard. It has mixed reviews as far as cancer goes- I

think that it inhibits some and can foster the growth of others. Have known

of some folks who use it topically as a skin cancer treatment.

   A SW nursery could probably help with supplying a plant, it needs a very

lonely spot in the yard as it inhibits the growth of other plants around

it.

Sharon in Tucson

PS Michael Moore has it in his Medicinal Plants of the Desert and Canyon

west, and in Los Remedios



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Violet Mush

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:38:45 -0400

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I just thought I'd let those who are interested know that tonight, my

eczema was driving me nuts--the cortisone was NOT taking care of the

itching.  So about an hour and a half ago I went outside and gathered

some violet leaves, chewed 'em up, and put a poultice on my elbow.

Within a matter of minutes it felt better, and now it doesn't itch at

all.



Good night, folks.

May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Violet Mush

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 01:28:21 -0400

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<< So about an hour and a half ago I went outside and gathered

some violet leaves, chewed 'em up, and put a poultice on my elbow.

Within a matter of minutes it felt better, and now it doesn't itch at

all.>>



Yeah for violets!



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

If you drink from a bottle marked "Poison" it is almost certain to

disagree with you sooner or later. -Lewis Carroll



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: psoriosis

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 03:15:38 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com> :



 Ingrid G.Turay <pusspuss@surrealistic.org> wrote>>>>>>:



>Ive been reading the emails about excema....I have psoriosis...On the palm of

>my hands..my right wrist...the back of my neck and on my ankle where I had one

>gotten a tatoo....I have had this since I was about 18....I have gone to 3-4

>dermatologists over the years and of course they have prescribed every

>medicine but I have had nooooooo luck getting rid of this...I tried going

>tanning (which has been effective in reducing the look of the areas) but it

>certainly does not stop the consistant itching.....

>

Hello Ingrid,   My dad has had psoriasis since he was born. On his ankle,

finger nails, toe nails, shins. about 6 years ago now he started to juice

1# of carrots, 3 stalks of celery, 1 large cucumber, and some fruit either

1-2 apples or some cranberries... he drinks this every day. He started out

making it for mom to bring down her cholesterol which it did rapidly from

over 400 down to 200 in 1 month of drinking this daily, but she didn't keep

it up, he did. In 3 months all the skin cancers he had were gone, in 1 year

of drinking it daily the psoriosis was gone. These were not benifits he was

looking for but since it made him feel better and got rid of the psorisis

he has stuck with it. There was a time about 3 years ago that he thought

maybe he was "cured" so maybe he should quit juicing- within  a month the

psoriosis was reappearing so it is not a "cure" but it gets rid of the

symptoms.   Lots of speculation as to why it works- hyper nourishing of

vitamin a, bioflavonoids, compounds in the cucumber, increased folic acid,

fiber which could help to detox the liver, enzymes... don't know but he

doesn't seem worse for the wear.

 Sharon in Tucson



