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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: tincturing

From: "Miikkali Leppihalme" <leppihalme@quartal.com>

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:03:23 +0200

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Karen Vaughan wrote:

> And don't get wedded to tinctures.  For one thing

> they don't contain minerals (except if spagyrically

> processed which only two manufacturers do to

> myknowledge and even then only a portion of the

> minerals in ash form are added back in.)



Thanks, Karen, for the info. Can you tell us what these two

manufacturers are? (No, I'm not already putting my coat on and

heading for the herb shop. I'm just gathering information. ;) )



-

M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tincturing

From: tiphaniemccray@hotmail.com

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:24:48 -0500

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Thank you, Karen, for your help and advice.  A couple of good books are

just what I need to get me started.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tincturing

From: thimbleberry@juno.com

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:19:23 -0600

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On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:25:04 -0500, tiphaniemccray@hotmail.com wrote:

 

> I am looking for sources of "how-to" information for making my own

> tinctures and oils.  Can anyone get me pointed in the right 

> direction? 



This is a site that has some good insights:



http://www.homehealthresource.net/tinctures.html 



Thimbleberry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tincturing

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:27:07 -0500

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Electuaries are made with honey.  You can grind fresh melissa up in the

blender with enough honey to make a delicious paste- children far prefer

it to echinacea for viral infections.  Or mix powdered turmeric (with 10%

pepper) into honey until you get a paste of moderate consistency.  The

paste will stiffen however so make it a bit soft initially.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tincturing

From: "Kris Hall" <atlantic1@onetel.net.uk>

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:14:42 -0800

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Karen Vaughan wrote:

Or mix powdered turmeric (with 10%

pepper) into honey until you get a paste of moderate consistency.  The

paste will stiffen however so make it a bit soft initially.

======

Karen, what do you use this preparation for?

Kris



Recognize joy when it arrives in the plain brown

wrappings of everyday life.  ~Judith Viorst



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tincturing

From: John Leschinski <muscle@televar.com>

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:01:24 -0800

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On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:43:36 -0500 <creationsgarden@juno.com> wrote:



>For basic stuff, Penelope Ody's book"The Complete Medicinal Herbal" is

>good.  When you want to optimize, go for Deborah St. Claire's book, "The

>Herbal Medicine Cabinet" or take a course with David Winston.



I agree fully with this. These two books are excellent descriptors for

making tinctures and other mediums for herb usage. I especially like

Deborah St. Claire's book. Another one that isn't too bad I'd add to the

list, is Christopher Hobb's book, "Herbal Remedies for Dummies." (I believe

that's the title. <G>)



Where can one find out more about David Winston, Karen? Does he have a

website explaining his courses? Thanks in advance for your help!



John



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: tincturing

From: "Miikkali Leppihalme" <leppihalme@quartal.com>

Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:46:31 +0200

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John wrote:

> Where can one find out more about David Winston,

> Karen? Does he have a website explaining his courses?

> Thanks in advance for your help!



I'm not Karen, nor do I think I'll ever be one, but Herbalist and

Alchemist has a web page at http://herbalist-alchemist.com/. They

don't have course information on their site, but why not contact

them directly and ask?



(H&A has nci for me, of course)



-

M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tincturing

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:30:39 -0500

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David Winston has a two year apprenticeship program (applications now

being taken for two years hence; there are physiology or medical care

prerequisites) and he does the circuit of major herb conferences:  AHG,

Green Nations, Black Rock, Wheaton, sometimes SW, Dominion or Frontier. 

He does appearances at the NYC Open Center in Peeka Trenkle's year long

Green Medicine Course.  Tapes of his workshops are available through Tree

Farm, Creative Seminars and Herbalist and Alchemist.  I don't know how

often he gets to the Pacific Northwest, but you might try seeing if a

regional herbal organization can sponsor him at a conference. He's

probably scheduled more than a year in advance.



Herbalist and Alchemist is in Broadway, New Jersey and you can probably

get their number from directory assistance.  (I usually stock up on

tinctures at conferences so I don't have the catalog at hand.)



And if you don't get notice of conferences, join the American Herbalists'

Guild (web site- general and professional memberships available), United

Plant Savers (N, American), American Botanical Council, the Herb

Marketing Network (I think I got the name slightly wrong- Maureen?) or

local/regional networks.

Or conferences are probably advertised in the spate of new, mostly

mediochre, herb magazines available at your health food store. Henriette

has resources and links on her website.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tincturing

From: Cha123chi@aol.com

Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:21:56 EST

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In a message dated 00-11-02 15:59:22 EST, you write:



> and he does the circuit of major herb conferences:  AHG,

>Green Nations, Black Rock, Wheaton, sometimes SW, Dominion or Frontier. 



[ ... I hope this isn't considered OT ... if so, I'm sorry, Henriette! ... ]



"Wheaton" as in ...



Wheaton, IL

-or-

Grandma Wheaton's Spice Chest line of spices

-or-

???



The name jumped out at me because today I bought up 18 old spice bottles 

sporting "olde-tyme" graphics, very large corks, & hand-crotcheted 

flower-doohickies around the bottle necks.



Bottles say:

Nuline Products

Wheaton Glass Company

Distributed By

Consumer Products Division

Millville, New Jersey  [no zip codes]



Each spice bottle has its own pre-printed price & an informative "blurb" with 

the appropriate herbal healing & culinary uses.



Anybody have any information about this line?  Not new, for sure!



TIA,

Susi



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tincturing

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:20:20 -0500

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Turmeric electuary is an antiinflamatory.  I take a somewhat smaller dose

on a daily basis for the nutrition.  (Good source of flavanoids. 

Considered a panacea herb in ayurveda.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Myrrh gum

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:24:48 -0500

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Myrrh needs high alcohol (85-95%) because of the resins.  Can you get

higher alcohol from a chemical company?  But your header made me think of

a myrrh dental chewing gum.



Burning it and breathing the fumes heats the lining of your respiratory

tract up so that germs have a tougher time invading.  



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re:spagyric  tincturing

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:29:17 -0500

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One firm is David Winston's Herbalist and Alchemist which has a full line

of very well crafted herbs and formulas.  The other firm, whose name

escapes me, makes only a few formulas of rainforest herbs.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: hello everyone

From: " galal Bobby" <bobbymg@jeack.com.au>

Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:49:34 +1100

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Sent to the herblist by  galal Bobby <bobbymg@jeack.com.au> :



hello there

please iam after some information about pollen(hope the spell is right) its

collected by bees.

whats its good for?

thanks everyone and keep the good work

( - _ - )



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Helianthum vulgare (Rockrose variant?)

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:38:58 +0200

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"Paky" <franz.paky@nextra.at> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>Has anyone experience with the abovementioned plant, which is one of the

>family of cistaceae growing in Central Europe. I wonder whether this type

>of cistus has the same antioxidant properties as the Mediterrenean Cistus

>plants. I am a pediatrician intending to use this herb for strengthening

>the immune system of children during the coming cold winter months.



That'd be Helianthemum, not Helianthum, surely? And I'm not sure where Cistus

and Helianthemum stand, exactly, right now, botanically, but I do know that some

Cistuses are now Helianthemums - and the other way around.



Check King's:



http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/helianthemum.html



Helianthemum canadense, Frostwort, Rock-rose (Cistus canadensis)

...

Related species:

...

Helianthemum vulgare, Gaertner (Cistus Helianthemum,

Linn). Europe. It has properties similar to the rock-rose.

...



I haven't used either myself.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: pollen

From: "Kris Hall" <atlantic1@onetel.net.uk>

Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:02:45 -0800

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Pollen is good food for the liver, and helps the liver improve so that it

can do its job of filtering the blood.  One must go slowly on eating it at

first, as too much can cause the liver to detox too fast and you end up with

a bad rash or other "allergic" (so called) reaction.

Kris

Recognize joy when it arrives in the plain brown

wrappings of everyday life.  ~Judith Viorst



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: herbs in pregnancy

From: "Becky Mauldin" <beckymauldin@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:24:21 EST

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Hello,



I would like to know if it is OK to use powdered herbs in a sinus snuff 

formula with bayberry and goldenseal in it while pregnant.  I am asking for 

research purposes only.  It would only be a pinch of these herbs and they 

would be deeply inhaled through the nostrils.  Would herbs taken in this 

manner during pregnancy be risky?  I assumed that herbs to avoid in 

pregnancy would mean internal consumption only, is that correct?



Thanks,

Becky



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: herbs in pregnancy

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:16:33 -0500

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Herbs taken in as "snuff" are being taken in internally. (Which is good

since the mucous in the sinuses is being created internally too).  In

fact when pregnant, smells can often create powerful feelings of nausea. 

Those smells are chemically reacting with receptors in the nose that

connect to the brain-certainly internal. 



And garlic rubbed on the feet, which can be tasted on the breath a few

hours later was taken internally, although it entered via the skin.



My sister miscarried immediately after helping clean up birds caught in

an oil spill.  The petrochemical smells and topical exposure to crude oil

were enough to unsettle an early pregnancy.  (She didn't even make it

home first.) A stronger pregnancy might have lasted, however, but you

can't tell.



Concentrations are often less when something is taken in topically- it

depends upon which herbs are used as to whether they are benign.  But

stick to herbs generally regarded as safe in pregnancy unless your

herbally sophisticated health care provider says otherwise.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: herbs in pregnancy

From: maggie@gpc.peachnet.edu

Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:23:05 -0500 (EST)

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Sent to the herblist by maggie@gpc.peachnet.edu :



> 

> Sent to the herblist by Becky Mauldin <beckymauldin@hotmail.com> :

> 

<snip> 

> would be deeply inhaled through the nostrils.  Would herbs taken in this 

> manner during pregnancy be risky?  I assumed that herbs to avoid in 

> pregnancy would mean internal consumption only, is that correct?

> 

> Thanks,

> Becky

>    Smoking, snorting, deeply inhaling? I would think

    that would pretty much fall under "internal" consumption. 

> 



> 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: herbs in pregnancy

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:10:51 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com> :



>Sent to the herblist by Becky Mauldin <beckymauldin@hotmail.com> :

>

>I would like to know if it is OK to use powdered herbs in a sinus snuff

>formula with bayberry and goldenseal in it while pregnant.  I am asking for

>research purposes only.  It would only be a pinch of these herbs and they

>would be deeply inhaled through the nostrils.  Would herbs taken in this

>manner during pregnancy be risky?  I assumed that herbs to avoid in

>pregnancy would mean internal consumption only, is that correct?

>

>Thanks,

>Becky



Becky, As a midwife I would say no to this use. Goldenseal is the problem

and next to injection putting something into your nose or under your tounge

are the fastest ways to get something into your blood stream.

I am not sure I agree that avoiding things applies to internal consumption

only. I prepare somethings for our moms - like fresh wild cotton rootbark

tincture and  have had quite a few cramps, "contractions" as a result of

stripping it. I have had some killer headaches from processing lavendar(

normally this can get rid of a headache for me in a small dose). The skin

has less defense than the stomach because you have alot of mucous to make a

barrier and acid to bread things down with. One of my favorite herbalists

from the recent past Maurice Messague (author -OF MEN AND PLANTS) his main

remedies are herbal bath applications- hand baths, foot baths, hip baths...

take care

 Sharon in Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: FW: tincturing

From: "Gardenthyme Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:33:18 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by gardenthyme~lady <dblan@netusa1.net> :



Sent to the herblist by t b <thimbleberry@juno.com> :



On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:25:04 -0500, tiphaniemccray@hotmail.com wrote:



> I am looking for sources of "how-to" information for making my own

> tinctures and oils.  Can anyone get me pointed in the right

> direction?



This is a site that has some good insights:



http://www.homehealthresource.net/tinctures.html



Thimbleberry



Dee Adds

Basically a good description of tincturing, but somewhat confusing on the

percentage of alcohol to tincture in..seemed to me he was suggesting buying

everclear 95% alcohol, but diluting it 50% with water to make the tincture.

I thought it was better to use 95% alcohol to make most tinctures, that

would get more of the medicinal properties from the herb, am I wrong in this

assumption?

Also was confused about the strenghths of tinctures needed to do any good

taking them..ie: tsps instead of drops, and tinctures not being strong

enough to do much good.

He mentions milk thistle as one, but does not specify exactly what he means,

or if he does, I don't quite understand it.

I am getting ready to tincture some milk thistle seeds, and I need to know

1) whether to pull the seeds out of the pods to tincture, or leave them in

the pods and cover with alcohol, and 2) If I need to use full strength

everclear, or dilute it to 50%.  After reading several articules, I think

you would need 280 mg of capsulated to maintain healthy liver function, so

how does that compare with the tincture amount ie: 10 drops, 1 teaspoon, 1

tablespoon or what?

I also am tincturing echinachea in 95% everclear, it is still in root form,

broken into chunks.  Will it take longer than 4 weeks to develop into a good

tincture due to not being powdered?  What would be a good estimate of what

would make a dose of this?  I have taken 1 tsp. in tea in the past, now I'm

not sure if that is the best amount to take.

I appreciate the information.



Dee

"The Gardenthyme Lady"



You give little when you give of your possessions. It is when

you give of yourself that you truly give.

--Kahlil Gibran



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: R: tumeric

From: "marco valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:30:45 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it> :



<<Karen: Are you one  of those foks that uses tumeric in place of golen seal

in most formulas? Just curious.  Veronnica>>



I didn't  know there were folks using turmeric instead of GS.  Can anyone

expand on this?  Although I can see the similarities in some actions, I do

find the two herbs quite different in terms of character, temperature,

general influence on the functional balance.  I checked my general pattern

of prescription of the two herbs and I found different situations and

different patients (although this is surely also due to a difference in

confidence in my knowledge).



Thanx



Cheers

Marco



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tincturing/Wheaton

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:58:03 -0500

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Neither.....

Wheaton, as Karen referred to it, is a small college in Norton,

Massachusetts,

where Rosemary Gladstar runs her International Herb Symposium in June of

every even numbered year,

and where David Winston is a mainstay.



Wheaton Glass, as I remember (a little more fuzzy here) is a company which

has been around for about a hundred years, but which is mainly known for its

more modern decorative, commemorative and replica antique glass bottles,

decanters, Christmas themed and presidential themed bottles. These were

mostly made in the late 1960's and 70's, in rather garish colors, really.  I

used to sell tons of it at the fleamarket for a  quarter to a few bucks a

piece, and it is usually marked. There is a glass museum there now (in New

Jersey), and some decorative glass is still being made by craftsmen

there...but I think most Wheaton Glass now (in glass and in plastic) is made

for scientific uses.



Joanie



>> and he does the circuit of major herb conferences:  AHG,

>>Green Nations, Black Rock, Wheaton, sometimes SW, Dominion or Frontier.



>"Wheaton" as in ...

>

>Wheaton, IL

>-or-

>Grandma Wheaton's Spice Chest line of spices

>-or-

>???



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: external herbs, was herbs in pregnancy

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:36:53 -0500

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<< I prepare somethings for our moms - like fresh wild cotton rootbark

tincture and  have had quite a few cramps, "contractions" as a result of

stripping it. I have had some killer headaches from processing lavendar(

normally this can get rid of a headache for me in a small dose)>>



Ryan Drum tells the story of inmates in a mental assylum in Washington

State who were periodically taken out to pick willow shoots to be woven

into baskets.  The inmates would be calmed down by the willow bark

entering through their fingers.  (Basket weaving had a specific herbally

therapeutic purpose!)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: external herbs, was herbs in pregnancy

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:50:12 EST

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In a message dated 11/3/00 11:44:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, 

creationsgarden@juno.com writes:



<<  I prepare somethings for our moms - like fresh wild cotton rootbark

 tincture and  have had quite a few cramps, "contractions" as a result of

 stripping it. I have had some killer headaches from processing lavendar(

 normally this can get rid of a headache for me in a small dose)>>

  >>



I ADD:  And one of the things that can happen when working with herbs is that 

one can "prove the remedy..." which means one can begin to manifest the very 

symptom picture one is trying to remedy.  This happens when one handles too 

much of an herb too long.  Last year I processed a lot of feverfew from our 

garden.  It took about 5 hours to complete.  About 2 hours afterwards I had a 

killer of a migraine, but was able to recognize proving the remedy.  Feverfew 

is good for preventing and assisting migraines, and it was a classic case.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH, ND

Botanical Pharmacy, Burtonsville, Md.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: external herbs, was herbs in pregnancy

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 23:16:30 EST

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In a message dated 11/3/00 11:47:13 PM, Herbgrow30@aol.com writes:



<< And one of the things that can happen when working with herbs is that 

one can "prove the remedy..." which means one can begin to manifest the very 

symptom picture one is trying to remedy.  This happens when one handles too 

much of an herb too long. >>



Mary,

what are the most common herbs that you've worked with that this usually 

happens with?  

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: external herbs, was herbs in pregnancy

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 23:45:15 EST

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In a message dated 11/4/00 11:17:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, 

Herbmednurse@aol.com writes:



<< Mary,

 what are the most common herbs that you've worked with that this usually 

 happens with?  

 phebe

  >>



Hi Phebe -



So far feverfew, and hops; anything that I have to handle for longer than 

about 2 hours.



Warmly -

Mary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: tumeric

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@peacock.bigsky.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 13:15:26 -0700

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>

>Turmeric 

>Considered a panacea herb in ayurveda.)



Karen: Are you one  of those foks that uses tumeric in place of golen seal

in most formulas? Just curious.  Veronnica



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tumeric

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 12:24:56 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@peacock.bigsky.net> wrote to

herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>Karen: Are you one  of those foks that uses tumeric in place of golen seal

>in most formulas? Just curious.  Veronnica



Turmeric contains flavonoids, which mostly explain that action.

Goldenseal contains hydrastine and berberine, which mostly explains that action.

A better substitute for goldenseal would be another berberine-containing plant,

like Berberis, Oregon grape, goldthread...



I like turmeric in my curries. Yum!



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tumeric

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@peacock.bigsky.net>

Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 10:08:08 -0700

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>

>Turmeric contains flavonoids, which mostly explain that action.

>Goldenseal contains hydrastine and berberine, which mostly explains that

action.

>A better substitute for goldenseal would be another berberine-containing

plant,

>like Berberis, Oregon grape, goldthread...

>

I  agree with you, Henriette, but wanted some coment because I don know of

a number of herbalists who do replace golden seal with tumeric. Was hoping

for a good discussion on this.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tumeric

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:27:17 -0500

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<<Karen: Are you one  of those foks that uses tumeric in place of golen

seal

in most formulas? Just curious.  Veronnica>>



No, I use mahonia, coptis, phellodendron, scute and other herbs,

depending upon the specific uses.  I reserve organic cultivated

goldenseal for pneumonia and entrenched mucosal infections (including

periodontal disease.)



Karen Vaughan

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Benefits of Pollen

From: paf@webzone.net

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:26:47 -0600

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I'd like to hear discussion from other listmembers on the benefits of

eating pollen.  Karen, others, what do you know about this?  I have never

seen it mentioned among the liver herbs or supps.



thanks,

Anita



>Subject: Re: pollen

>From: "Kris Hall" <atlantic1@onetel.net.uk>

>Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:02:45 -0800

>X-Message-Number: 1

>

>Pollen is good food for the liver, and helps the liver improve so that it

>can do its job of filtering the blood.  One must go slowly on eating it at

>first, as too much can cause the liver to detox too fast and you end up with

>a bad rash or other "allergic" (so called) reaction.

>Kris

>Recognize joy when it arrives in the plain brown

>wrappings of everyday life.  ~Judith Viorst

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Benefits of Pollen

From: "Kris Hall" <atlantic1@onetel.net.uk>

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:13:30 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by kris hall <atlantic1@onetel.net.uk> :



The ecologists of today reckon that over 100,000 species of plants would die

out and become extinct without the pollinating work of the bee. Without

these plants, life as we know it, perhaps all life, would become impossible.



I've frequented many a health food store, and have done lots of reading, and

have lots of "health nuts" as relatives, so I pick up lots of information

not generally known, but I am looking for a reference to back me up.

...and hence these links:

http://www.excite.com/health/alternative_medicine/herbs/herbs_a_z/bee_pollen

/

http://www.garynull.com/Documents/Arthritis/bee_pollen.htm

http://www.wic.net/waltzark/beepollen.htm

http://www.beepollen4u.com/beepollen.htm

http://www.1sthealthsource.com/fitness/beepollen/

http://www.gic.simplenet.com/dr/herb/bee.htm

Kris, now going to get another bite out of my pollen reserves, after reading

all of this thinking of going on a bee pollen diet.  Hummmmm....

Recognize joy when it arrives in the plain brown

wrappings of everyday life.  ~Judith Viorst



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Horehound cough drops

From: "David" <dmford@nowonline.net>

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 21:25:53 -0500

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Hello,



I have a quantity of decent quality horehound and would like to 

make some cough drops.  Can anyone help me with some formula 

or receipe?



Thanks



David



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: type b strep

From: jan13@sisqtel.net

Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 19:40:35 -0800

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Hello, My friend, who is going to have a baby in December, was just told

that she needs to take antibiotics based on a blood test that showed this

strep germ in her system. She does not want to take antibiotics....what

else would be appropriate? Thanks in advance! Jennifer



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: type b strep

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 23:39:58 EST

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In a message dated 11/4/00 9:39:49 PM, jan13@sisqtel.net writes:



<< Hello, My friend, who is going to have a baby in December, was just told

that she needs to take antibiotics based on a blood test that showed this

strep germ in her system. She does not want to take antibiotics....what

else would be appropriate? Thanks in advance! Jennifer

 >>



Hi Jennifer;

from the information i have, 1/4 of women colonized in their 3rd trimester 

were found to have group b beta-hemolytic strep.  And out of that, only 

1(baby) in 78 developed symptomatic infection that recovered using 

anti-microbial therapy.  But 30% of neonatal infections are group b strep.  

The recommendations that I have seen are:

* strengthening the immune system by taking echinacea

* bee propolis is used by some to strengthen immune function

* douches are not recommended  during pregnancy; but she may benefit from a 

therapeutic sitz bath

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: type b strep

From: "Mrs.Giggles" <moonpie1@mediaone.net>

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:55:34 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Vicki <moonpie1@mediaone.net> :



The recommendations that I have seen are:

* strengthening the immune system by taking echinacea

* bee propolis is used by some to strengthen immune function

* douches are not recommended  during pregnancy; but she may benefit from a

therapeutic sitz bath

phebe



I have heard varing info on taking echi while pregnant.  I would double

check that just in case.



-Vicki



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: type b strep

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 16:37:18 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Herbmednurse@aol.com wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>* bee propolis is used by some to strengthen immune function



Bee propolis are resins from close to the hive. They might contain anything from

your normal (generally) non-toxic conifers to highly toxic resins from Oleander.



Also, resins in general are irritating to your kidneys. If you are pregnant your

kidneys are under a lot of stress, and the last thing you want to do is to

irritate them. It's the "don't kick a dying horse" thing.



Really, if you want to strengthen your immune function with resins do pine resin

as an inhalation for your cough. The idea that a haphazard collection of resins

are healthy for you just because bees have used it to make their hive airtight

is preposterous. It's marketing, kids. Just marketing.



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: type b strep

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@peacock.bigsky.net>

Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 10:13:51 -0700

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>

>Bee propolis are resins from close to the hive. They might contain

anything from

>your normal (generally) non-toxic conifers to highly toxic resins from

Oleander.

>

One of the best know herbalists in our valley jusr recommended propolis as

a cure for bleeding ulcers.  I thought that was a bit scarey.!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: type b strep

From: "Judith Thamm" <galingale@chariot.net.au>

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:53:36 +1030

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Dear Henriette,



We have found tar from the tar-sealed road introduced into the hive

during hot waether when the tar melts.  Also that grey repair tape

used on machinery - the bees collect that grey cement type glue and

put that in their hives.  The contaminents are too horrifiying to

imagine!



I am always horified when I find someone taking such a concoction.



Regards,

Judith.



> Bee propolis are resins from close to the hive. They might contain

anything from

> your normal (generally) non-toxic conifers to highly toxic resins

from Oleander.

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: type b strep

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 14:15:13 EST

--------

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In a message dated 11/5/00 8:39:18 AM, moonpie1@mediaone.net writes:



<< I have heard varing info on taking echi while pregnant.  I would double



check that just in case.



-Vicki



 >>



I may be wrong, but I have never heard or read of anything conflicting use of 

echinacea during pregnancy.  The only problem that I have ever encountered 

with someone using echincacea is someone who had allergies to chamomile.

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: type b strep

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 00:41:17 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Herbmednurse@aol.com wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>I may be wrong, but I have never heard or read of anything conflicting use of 

>echinacea during pregnancy.  The only problem that I have ever encountered 

>with someone using echincacea is someone who had allergies to chamomile.



...or other allergenic plants in the Compositae. You get around that by using

the -root- of Echinacea, not the flowering tops.



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: type b strep

From: cadfile@juno.com

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:34:55 +0000

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> I may be wrong, but I have never heard or read of anything 

> conflicting use of 

> echinacea during pregnancy.  The only problem that I have ever 

> encountered 

> with someone using echincacea is someone who had allergies to 

> chamomile.

> phebe



there is also the allergie to ragweed. might not Astragalus be a better

choice?

 

Stan

"Cadfile"

cadfile@juno.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: type b strep

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:46:02 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



<<there is also the allergie to ragweed. might not Astragalus be a better

choice?>>



Astragalus is not a direct substitute for echinacea.  I only give

echinacea during disease, but I give astragalus to strengthen immunity

when no disease is present.  In Chinese medicine astragalus is often

withdrawn from a patient during acute disease on the grounds that it may

strengthen the pathogen.



Diaphoretics like boneset (for cold conditions) or peppermint (for hot

conditions), respiratory aids like elecampagne, antivirals like garlic

(for cold conditions), Oregon grape (hot conditions) and echinacea root

(fairly neutral) may be used for persons with compositae allergies,

depending upon the specific indications.

 

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Echanecea vs Astragulus

From: "Cindy Lee" <texasbluebonnets@home.com>

Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 21:59:55 -0600

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 could I hear from some of you opinions on which is best for the winter

season, Ecanechea, or Astragulus.?  And can you just take them sick or not,

or do you only use these when your ill, and if you cant ake them anytime, do

you pulse these or does that matter?



thanks for any help



Cindy Lee



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Echanecea vs Astragulus

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:41:37 -0500

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I'd take echinacea if you are sick and astragalus to maintain your immune

system.  You don't have to have it every day, but you can throw slices of

astragalus in soup, boiled water for other infusions, rice, etc.  Boil at

least 15 minutes.   And use the echinacea after you have tried sweating

it out with yarrow and boneset- better to harness the body's own method

of fighting pathogens before bringing in the big guns.



(And remember, there is often a reason for disease.  The fever probably

helps burn out debris stuck in intracellular spaces when the lymph failed

to clean out the body.  You don't always want to supress it.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: delurk

From: deb <stufunlimited@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 12:40:47 -0500

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Hello Everyone,



My name is Deb and I have been lurking here for a long time and learned

many things.  Thanks for all the great insights.



This question actually comes from my Mother.  She is a hearty 79 yo

woman who still works a full time job as bakery assitant as a local

college.  One of the chefs there brought in some miniature dill to us as



a garnish for one of their special occassion.  I know nothing about this



and she liked it so much she wants to grow some and play with it.  Has

anyone run across a dwarf dill? Know where I can get some?



Thanks,



Deb



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: turmeric indications for use

From: "Aliceann Carlton" <walkaboo47@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 13:44:41 GMT

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Sent to the herblist by Aliceann Carlton <walkaboo47@hotmail.com> :



Turmeric is among a number of herbs used in Ayurvedic medicine across all 

three doshas (tridoshic).  However, it is contraindicated in high pitta 

conditions due to its heating and drying effects in vipak (post-digestive 

effect).  This quality can be offset by how it is administered in certain 

cases which is why cooling and or lubricating assisting herbs can be 

included in a formulation.  Note, if you use turmeric in significant 

quantities over a period of time, it can stain the colon......causing alarm 

among allopathic medical professionals on occasion if you have digestive 

tract testing done so advise them ahead of your use.



For those who do use goldenseal and wish to potentiate its effectiveness and 

minimize quantity needed, a good formulation for short term acute conditions 

can be made up of turmeric 2 parts, goldenseal 1/4 to 1/2 part, marshmallow 

root 1/2 to 1 part (depending on amount of dryness in condition or 

constitution), coriander 1 part, cinnamon 1/2 part.  Goldenseal is bitter 

and cold in its effects, so those weakened and depleted benefit from the 

warmer, blood cleansing, liver cleansing and anti-inflammatory effects of 

turmeric.  1 "00" capsule 2-3 times a day for 3 days is a potent amount to 

use.  Use of warm (not super hot) water will assist in absorption and 

circulation of the herb.



Best Regards,

Aliceann



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Urinary tract infection

From: TBone & Christina <tbone@netease.net>

Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 10:32:23 -0600

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Hi everyone,



Three weeks ago, the family went camping for 10 days.  Around the 8th

day I began feeling some bladder discomfort and a need to urinate more

often.  So I started drinking more water.  Well the bladder is still

irritated and I still don't have the bladder capacity of before.  (I

believe I didn't drink enough since walking at night to the bathroom in

40's temps. wasn't apealing).



I have to say that I've been breastfeeding for 4 1/2 years straight and

I understand the need to drink alot.  Sometimes I would forget though...



I made some barley and lemon peel water and it helped the discomforts. 

I also took some yarrow and licorice infusions.  



Does anyone have suggestions?  Thanks in advance....Christina



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@peacock.bigsky.net>

Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:20:08 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by 2 <honthaas@email.bigsky.net> :



 I began feeling some bladder discomfort and a need to urinate more

>often.  



The following is from personal experience.



After years of repeated bladder infections (treated with antibiotics) when

I was in my early twenties I finally was able to end this terrible cycle

with the garlic cure:



1) for at least 3 (5 is better) days eat as much raw garlic as you can

handle. Ideally this would be three  medium sized bulbs a day!  (The only

way I could get this down my throat was on a piece of toast with peanut

butter....did this 3 times a day). Make sure there is food in your tummy as

this much garlic can be irritating for some folks.

2) Drink lots and lots and lots of water. 

2) No caffeine, coffee, black tea, carbonated drinks, beer , wine,etc.( for

some strange reason white wine and champagne can trigger problems very

quickly)

4) No lemon or other citrus.



This procedure worked.  However, after an infection it can take up to a

year for the bladder to get really strong again. So if at any time I felt

the lightest burning or tingling I would IMMEDIATELY  go on the garlic cure

for just one day.  After about one year there were no more problems.



Note: For minor urinary burning cranberry extract does a good job.  My gut

level feeling is that it is not as healing as the garlic cure.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 19:48:47 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :



Veronica Honthaas wrote:



> Note: For minor urinary burning cranberry extract does a good job.  My gut

> level feeling is that it is not as healing as the garlic cure.



My understanding is that cranberry is used as a preventative, rather than a

cure, as it contains a compound that prevents bacteria from adhering to the

bladder wall.



May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@peacock.bigsky.net>

Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 11:44:59 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by 2 <honthaas@email.bigsky.net> :



I have found it to be effective as a cure but higher doses are required if

it is used after an infection or irritation has set in. Veronica

At 07:48 PM 11/7/00 -0500, you wrote:

>

>My understanding is that cranberry is used as a preventative, rather than a

>cure, 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:03:12 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com> :



>Sent to the herblist by 2 <honthaas@email.bigsky.net> :

>

>I have found it to be effective as a cure but higher doses are required if

>it is used after an infection or irritation has set in. Veronica

>At 07:48 PM 11/7/00 -0500, you wrote:

>>

>>My understanding is that cranberry is used as a preventative, rather than a

>>cure,

>

nope this is how much I use for infections usually works I am looking for

changes within 3 days, although will adjust for what someone needs or

wants.  Irritation that is long standing or resistant to this treatment  I

change my tack completely. here is an example of a person I treaten a while

back she remains UTI free , but occasionally needs to increase her water

intake and take a bit of desert willow if she feels something is starting.

There are other soothers besides SJW like corn silk, mallow, baking soda...

Sharon in Tucson



     she had a cronic UTI perhaps for 6-7 yrs before it was discovered.She

would complain about dizzyness and would be sick to her stomach all the

time. She was tested for hearing and vision before she got here After she

moved here I discovered she had a uti and her mom got antibiotics for her,

she was on 1 yr of antibiotics and couldn't get off them finally i

convinced them to try some alternative stuff cranberry and vit C which

didn't work, she in the mean time had an ultrasound of the kidneys which

was fine, and a test to rule out reflux.

   I was thinking allergies and yeast.  Labs do not check urine for yeast.

although everytime she did test positive for e coli, well actually the labs

before she got off the antibiotic would show she was clear and within 1 day

sick again, with labs showing e coli.

Long story short she has been UTI free for the past 4 yrs. She did an

intersitial cystitus diet, which is basically no cranberry juice, no citrus

juices or fruits, no tomatoes, no coffee, no soda pop, no strong

seasonings, no vit c, ( i will have to dig out the list) but the diet alone

wasn't working  and  she was again refered to the uriologist  but before

the appointment i started giving her some tinctures usnea-spilanthes and

chiliopsis lineaus(desert willow)as anti yeast , St John'swort for pain and

healing . When she went to the appointment she was infection free and has

been since.  I think that the inflamation never had a chance to resolve and

that it allowed for yeast to grow and probably made the bladder raw and

cracked all the time making a good home for other germs . Using a

combination of diet and herbs made the difference. After this we had her

tested for allergies, we already knew she was sensitive to somethings, and

it turns out many of the foods she liked best she was allergic to . I have

more info onthe subject, let me know.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 21:28:47 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>back she remains UTI free , but occasionally needs to increase her water

>intake and take a bit of desert willow if she feels something is starting.



The European (and non-SW US) equivalent to desert willow (Chilopsis) is fireweed

(Epilobium angustifolium). Both work nicely for candida.



The contraceptive pill makes women prone to candida. And one of my mainstays

with vaginal candida (actually, for vaginal problems in general) is Lamium

album, flowering plant.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 23:25:12 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :



Henriette Kress wrote:



> The contraceptive pill makes women prone to candida. And one of my mainstays

> with vaginal candida (actually, for vaginal problems in general) is Lamium

> album, flowering plant.



Is this white-flowered dead nettle?  How is it administered?



Thanks,

May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 12:21:09 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



May Terry <mterry@snet.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>Henriette Kress wrote:

>> The contraceptive pill makes women prone to candida. And one of my mainstays

>> with vaginal candida (actually, for vaginal problems in general) is Lamium

>> album, flowering plant.

>

>Is this white-flowered dead nettle?  How is it administered?



Tea, sitzbath (strain first), salve (strain first), suppositories (strain

first), ...



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 02:16:20 -0500 (EST)

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Sent to the herblist by tmueller@bluegrass.net :



> for at least 3 (5 is better) days eat as much raw garlic as you can

>handle. Ideally this would be three  medium sized bulbs a day!  (The only

>way I could get this down my throat was on a piece of toast with peanut

>butter....did this 3 times a day). Make sure there is food in your tummy as

>this much garlic can be irritating for some folks.



For some people, myself included, raw garlic in more than small quantities can 

irritate the trachea, causing adverse respiratory symptoms.  I can take about

one medium sized clove per day, average somewhat less, nowhere near enough to

protect me from mosquitoes if I were spending the warmer months in Alaska.

Cranberries are much easier to take.  Somebody on this list several months ago

suggested taking garlic with grated carrots and cabbage.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:28:21 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com> :



Christina here is of an email protocol list I sent to another MW a while

back, so the recommendations are pregnancy safe- I have some references too

if you want them. And other suggestions if you are sure you are not

pregnant.  Sharon in Tucson



 Drink filtered water, or distilled aprox a gallon a day (dilute the bug

or mineral)

  DON'T HOLD IT, go to the bathroom often

  pee before and after sex

 wipe front to back

 Wear cotton underwear, or no underwear at all. second rinse underwear with

a cup of vinegar in the wash   to get rid of soap residue, don't use dryer

sheets.

  No colored tp, or scented

  No bubble baths, or prolonged  exposure to soap

  If pubic hair is clumping up with dried mucous trim it off a little

    I have not used the caps, but have used the fresh and frozen cranberries

for acute infections. The bags of cranberries are 12oz. each .I recommend

using 1 bag for 2 days. You do not have to thaw the frozen berries. You can

put 1/2 the bag in a blender ,or a juicer or a food processor,then add an

apple or an orange or some unsweetened pineapple for a little sweeting and

fluid ( very little fruit juice maybe 1c or less), you still might need to

add some water, we have generally used it thick like a slush. Drink this

through the day.

You can use bleuberry juice to the same effect, would not use anything but

a bit of water with them as they are usually fairly sweet.

before going to sleep drink 2-4 oz of one of either cranberry or

blueberryjuice, this will then be what sits in the bladder when resting and

will help resist infection

  Take marshmallow root( althaea officinalis)  can be used to soothe

inflammation and reduce pain, whether it comes from infection or stones,

it can be used with antibiotics. Caps take 2, 3or4x a day, if you prefer a

tea make it a cold infusion put about 1oz in a 2qt picher let it sit over

night at room temp. I have used Hollyhock roots(Althea rosea),and common

mallow(malva neglecta) whole plant , if you can't get these or are

suspicious you could eat some okra and get some benefit-the slime is what

helps mucopolysaccharides.

    echinacea for immune support

    No caffeine- irritating to the urinary tract

    No soda pop, it changes the pH , the CO2 has to be eliminated thru the

lungs, the sugar supports infection

   Keep other organs of elimination in good health, this means LUNGS,

BOWELS, SKIN - avoid constipation ,  no smoking (cigs or pot),  keep the

skin clean and stimulate circulation to it by doing massage or dry brushing

or getting a salt glow ( careful not to damage or dry the skin out), have

bowel movements daily, don't smoke, avoid chemical exposure

   I look at diet sheets, lots of times candy or sweets need to be replaced

with fresh fruits or other snacks.

 -----------------------------------------------

a couple of things from Molly are that if there is sexual stimulation but

no orgasm to use a clean cool washcloth between the legs to help resolve

congestion in area, with orgasmic sex it is not necessary because of

physiologic changes  congestion resolves.

   She also uses theraputic sits-hip baths while you have an infection,

alternating hot and cold ending with cold(.having 2 tubs actually works

best for this) hot water is filled as to the navel then  when sitting in

the cold it only goes to pubic hair line.

-----------------------------------

more than 2 infections in 1 year, what is going on ? Is there a physical

problem ie reflux, kidney stones? are there problems with the immune

system? Is she being exposed to an allergin, does she have diabetes, other

cronic illness? support to the immune sustem is essential.

---------------------------------------------



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:03:53 EST

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In a message dated 11/9/00 12:26:48 AM Mountain Standard Time, 

tmueller@bluegrass.net writes:



>  Somebody on this list several months ago

>  suggested taking garlic with grated carrots and cabbage.



Do you suppose it would work if you rubbed it on the soles of your feet with 

vaseline?



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:58:27 -0500 (EST)

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>Do you suppose it would work if you rubbed it on the soles of your feet with 

>vaseline?

>

>Meg



I can't imagine enough garlic getting through that way to have any significant

effect on a urinary tract infection.  Maybe it would irritate the soles of the

feet?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:39:50 EST

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In a message dated 11/9/00 8:19:11 AM, Melesana@aol.com writes:



<< Do you suppose it would work if you rubbed it on the soles of your feet 

with 

vaseline?

 >>



does anyone have anything concrete they can steer me to regarding rubbing the 

soles of feet with anything to cause alleviation of symptoms?  Nothing 

folkloric, please.  I have been hearing more and more about this lately, and 

would really like something informative that I could sink my teeth into.

thanks!

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 22:39:16 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :



Herbmednurse@aol.com wrote:



> In a message dated 11/9/00 8:19:11 AM, Melesana@aol.com writes:

>

> << Do you suppose it would work if you rubbed it on the soles of your feet

> with

> vaseline?

>  >>

> does anyone have anything concrete they can steer me to regarding rubbing the

> soles of feet with anything to cause alleviation of symptoms?  Nothing

> folkloric, please.  I have been hearing more and more about this lately, and

> would really like something informative that I could sink my teeth into.



Really!  I thought Melesana's comment was a joke.



May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:52:23 -0500

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Hi, Phebe,

There was some talk several years ago about using DMSO liquid with

medications and applying it to the soles of the feet.  It drew

controversy, because it was felt to be a systemic delivery due to the

smells on the breath.  You might want to do some reading about it before

you move on it. 

Cleansing the area and douching with warm water and a small amount of

cider vinegar, and either buying cranberry-C capsules and taking them by

mouth or drinking dilute cranberry juice or eating craisins, might be a

safer strategy for UTI.



Marcia



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:48:14 EST

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Sent to the herblist by Meg <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 11/9/00 11:57:54 PM Mountain Standard Time, 

mterry@snet.net writes:



>   I thought Melesana's comment was a joke.



I was thinking of the same principle as skin patches - skin is very 

receptive.  And I've read a fair amount about rubbing garlic on your feet and 

then smelling it on your breath iin a couple of hours, so I tried it on 

myself, and it's true.  I didn't have anything I needed it to fix at the 

time, and I figured someone here would know whether it would.



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Christa-Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:10:08 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by cmaria@triton.net :



<<I was thinking of the same principle as skin patches - skin is very

receptive.  And I've read a fair amount about rubbing garlic on your

feet and

then smelling it on your breath iin a couple of hours, so I tried it on

myself, and it's true.  I didn't have anything I needed it to fix at the



time, and I figured someone here would know whether it would.>>



   And than there are some experts who say that the 'scent' was picked

up by the olfactory system and delivered via bloodtream, hence the

garlicbreath..

I dunno either..

Embarking on a course that uses Essential oils through external

application via very special carrier oils..will find out. It's run by

very expert people ( People that are very trustworthy and do know  their

field), so I hope to learn a little more about the application on the

feet and other receptive points on the body, a little more than the old

folklore..

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:18:18 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :



Melesana@aol.com wrote:



> >   I thought Melesana's comment was a joke.

>

> I was thinking of the same principle as skin patches - skin is very

> receptive.  And I've read a fair amount about rubbing garlic on your feet and

> then smelling it on your breath iin a couple of hours, so I tried it on

> myself, and it's true.



I was just puzzled as to why feet would be chosen.  I go barefoot a lot, so mine

have callouses.  I would think the wrist area would be better.



May



--

"Seeing the wonder of the universe is as simple as looking through the eyes of a

child. But catching a child and removing their eyes--now *that's* the hard

part."     - Charles Gulledge



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Leo D <durano@skyinet.net>

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 17:14:59 +0800

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Sent to the herblist by OLI <durano@skyinet.net> :



At 11:18 PM 11/10/00 -0500,

>Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :

>

>

>I was just puzzled as to why feet would be chosen.  I go barefoot a lot, 

>so mine have callouses.  I would think the wrist area would be better.

>

>May



  Yes May!

Not only for you but for everyone the skin on the feet is  thicker than any 

other portion of the integument. Better sites might be ankles, wrists, or 

even the throat.



Seems like a lot of trouble. Given one is unsure about how much garlic -if 

any- is being made available; I don't think the game is worth the candle. 

There's plenty of equally potent remedies. I'd look to something else.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 12:29:20 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Leo D <durano@skyinet.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>>I was just puzzled as to why feet would be chosen.  I go barefoot a lot, 

>>so mine have callouses.  I would think the wrist area would be better.



>Not only for you but for everyone the skin on the feet is  thicker than any 

>other portion of the integument. Better sites might be ankles, wrists, or 

>even the throat.

>

>Seems like a lot of trouble. Given one is unsure about how much garlic -if 

>any- is being made available; I don't think the game is worth the candle. 

>There's plenty of equally potent remedies. I'd look to something else.



I have used garlic, rubbed on the soles of the feet, to lower a fever. In an

adult. In combination with lemon water on the calves and no covers. 



Shrug. It worked. And I'd use it again, to lower too high a fever. I haven't

thought of using it that way for UTI's, but then, I don't do garlic with UTI's.

I do a nice blend of UT and lymphatic herbs as tea, and tell my ladies to stop

their sugar intake, stop caffeine intake as far as possible, and do cranberry or

lingonberry juice.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland      http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: "Amy Cook" <acook@in4web.com>

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 08:22:26 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Amy Cook <acook@in4web.com> :



The soles of the feet and the palms of the hand are supposedly the most

permeable areas of the skin.



Amy



>

> >Not only for you but for everyone the skin on the feet is  thicker than

any

> >other portion of the integument. Better sites might be ankles, wrists, or

> >even the throat.

> >

> >Seems like a lot of trouble. Given one is unsure about how much

garlic -if

> >any- is being made available; I don't think the game is worth the candle.

> >There's plenty of equally potent remedies. I'd look to something else.

>

> I have used garlic, rubbed on the soles of the feet, to lower a fever. In

an

> adult. In combination with lemon water on the calves and no covers.

>

> Shrug. It worked. And I'd use it again, to lower too high a fever.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Leo D <durano@skyinet.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 06:26:45 +0800

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Sent to the herblist by OLI <durano@skyinet.net> :



At 08:22 AM 11/11/00 -0500, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by Amy Cook <acook@in4web.com> :

>

>The soles of the feet and the palms of the hand are supposedly the most

>permeable areas of the skin.

>

>Amy



  Amy,



  What's the source for this claim?



As for lowering a fever, has anyone tried rubbing a large pebble on the 

feet and using rose water on uncovered calves?  ;-)  Ludicrous!!



> > I have used garlic, rubbed on the soles of the feet, to lower a fever. In

>an

> > adult. In combination with lemon water on the calves and no covers.



If you put some olive oil on the chest you would just about have a salad.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: "Amy Cook" <acook@in4web.com>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 07:45:57 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Amy Cook <acook@in4web.com> :



I wish I had a source as I've wondered this myself.  Like I

said--"supposedly."   Do you have a source saying this is *not* so?



Amy



----- Original Message ----- > >

> >The soles of the feet and the palms of the hand are supposedly the most

> >permeable areas of the skin.

> >

>

>   What's the source for this claim?

>

> As for lowering a fever, has anyone tried rubbing a large pebble on the

> feet and using rose water on uncovered calves?  ;-)  Ludicrous!!

>

>

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Evvia@webtv.net

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:44:40 -0800 (PST)

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Sent to the herblist by Evvia@webtv.net :



The washing of the feet is an old story...during wars, sometimes there

was no medicine available, and the feet and legs wash was the only

soothing the wounded got.   They thought it worked then.     Whether it

is mind or body cure is probably another story   .     Liv   



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:58:04 +0200

--------

Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Evvia@webtv.net wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>The washing of the feet is an old story...during wars, sometimes there

>was no medicine available, and the feet and legs wash was the only

>soothing the wounded got.   They thought it worked then.     Whether it

>is mind or body cure is probably another story.



Please read Maurice Messegu's book(s). He used nothing but hand- and

footbaths, and was quite successful.



Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland      http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, jpegs, database, neat stuff, archives...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:01:10 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



In the days of the nicotine patch, where a compress covering a few inches

of skin can cause insomnia or alleviate the cravings of a substance more

addictive than heroin, I find it suprising that people would wonder

whether absorption through the foot or legs would work.



Ther reason for administering garlic through the foot instead of the

inner wrist is that it will probably burn the wrist.  IOW you need the

thicker skin to protect you.  (In TCM we use burning moxa (mugwort) over

an acupoint on a slice of ginger or garlic therapeutically, but the

garlic usually causes blistering- where ginger usually doesn't unless

left on too long.)



Skin is a permeable two-way membrane, not a shell.  A child's fever can

be brought down by bathing in water with extra strong lemon balm infusion

added.  Violet leaf infusion in the bath can remedy sore muscles after a

strenuous work-out.  Comfrey leaf poultices can speed the healing of

broken bones or torn muscles.  And you can get sick from swimming in

polluted water even if you don't drink it.



Topical applications are better for local problems than systemic

problems, but medicine can enter systemically through the skin.  It is

true that concentrations often need to be somewhat higher for systemic

use, but when the desired result is local, topical concentrations are

higher close to the area requiring treatment.



And you don't need to cover the entire body for a substance to enter it.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

"The unfortunate thing about this world is that the good habits are much

easier to give up than the bad ones."  W. Somerset Maugham



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@peacock.bigsky.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:34:23 -0700

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In our house whenever someone feels they are coming down with something

they get their herbal remedies PLUS a  foot soak in hot salt water. A lot

of toxins can come out through the feet.

>

>The washing of the feet is an old story..



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Leo D <durano@skyinet.net>

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:10:30 +0800

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Sent to the herblist by OLI <durano@skyinet.net> :



At 07:45 AM 11/12/00 -0500, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by Amy Cook <acook@in4web.com> :

>

>I wish I had a source as I've wondered this myself.  Like I

>said--"supposedly."   Do you have a source saying this is *not* so?

>

>Amy



Structure and Function and Gray's Anatomy will corroborate the same 

information which Marco posted:



>Sent to the herblist by Marco Valussi  :

>

>It depends: permeable to what kind of substance?  The skin of hands and 

>feethas the thicker stratum corneum of the whole body; the stratum corneum 

>is both lipophilic and hydrophilic,

>therefore it is not crossed easily by

>highly lipophilic or highly hydrophilic substances; perhaps it is best

>crossed by mixed molecules (lipo and hydro) .  In general IMO the thicker

>the stratum corneum the less permeable the skin; you also have to consider

>that soles and palms do not have hair follicles, a very likely path for

>trascutaneous absorption.

>Thin and hairy areas of skin are thus likely to be the area of higher

>absorption.



To my mind using garlic on the feet flies in the face of logic. Which 

brings up an important point. In the book by Ivan Illich (sp?) -Medical 

Nemesis - he develops the history of so called modern scientific medicine 

from an historical perspective. He shows how gathering of medical data 

following the French revolution was an advancement to erroneous  folkloric 

beliefs of an earlier time. Illich further shows how the pendulum has SWUNG 

TOO FAR. The current abuse by the cultural authorities with their reliance 

on drugs and the knife is as damaging as the old superstitions.



But let's not make the mistake of overreacting to the medical model and 

throwing the baby out with the bath water. Let us use the foundation that 

we have, and be vigilant against the soft headed perspective of healing.



Having said that I also recognize the power of the innate wisdom of the 

body to cure. I simply want to be clear about what we are discussing here.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: "Amy Cook" <acook@in4web.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:42:05 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Amy Cook <acook@in4web.com> :



Well, I did consult my anatomy texts and grad school notes, and I'm still

not convinced that the skin isn't permeable to substances.  Until it is

"proven" otherwise, I will continue to believe that components of herbs and

essential oils are absorbed through the skin.



Amy



> >>

>

> Structure and Function and Gray's Anatomy will corroborate the same

> information which Marco posted:

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:34:41 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :



Amy Cook wrote:



> Well, I did consult my anatomy texts and grad school notes, and I'm still

> not convinced that the skin isn't permeable to substances.  Until it is

> "proven" otherwise, I will continue to believe that components of herbs and

> essential oils are absorbed through the skin.



Just for the record, I never said it wasn't.  My feet, personally, are a bit

like a bull's hide, so I wondered if perhaps another spot might be a little

better for absorption.



May

--

"Seeing the wonder of the universe is as simple as looking through the eyes of

a child. But catching a child and removing their eyes--now *that's* the hard

part."     - Charles Gulledge



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: "Amy Cook" <acook@in4web.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:08:23 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Amy Cook <acook@in4web.com> :



May,



I wonder about my feet, too. :-)  Mine are tough as nails.  But a good

reflexology treatment or foot massage can really loosen things up.



Amy



>

> Just for the record, I never said it wasn't.  My feet, personally, are a

bit

> like a bull's hide, so I wondered if perhaps another spot might be a

little

> better for absorption.

>

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Christa-Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:58:54 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by cmaria@triton.net :



<< The current abuse by the cultural authorities with their reliance

on drugs and the knife is as damaging as the old superstitions.>>



And that's thr truth! C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:26:26 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by macphee@net1plus.com :



i have leathery and tanned (NOT by the sun) feet, too...

but the center portion, while still like light shiny leather, is flexible

and extremely ticklish...

NOT like hardened leather that would  serve as a barrier..but very

sensitive.  Skin elsewhere is much thinner, but these areas just have not

the sensitivity.



The argument about whether plant substances , including EOs penetrate feet,

hands, skin in general, and follow pathways to other areas resembles that of

whether acupuncture has legitimacy..  Scientific frameworks may not prove

it...it is experiential.



If I handle cut onions, though...I have onion breath..and my hands are

leathery and tough, too.

Perhaps I could tape an onion to my wrist and see what that would do....???

Rubbing nice aromatics on my feet appeals more...

Joanie



>May

>I wonder about my feet, too. :-)  Mine are tough as nails.  But a good

>reflexology treatment or foot massage can really loosen things up.

>Amy



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Urinary tract infection

From: Leo D <durano@skyinet.net>

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 06:26:59 +0800

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Sent to the herblist by OLI <durano@skyinet.net> :



At 03:26 PM 11/13/00 -0500, Joanie wrote:



>The argument about whether plant substances , including EOs penetrate feet,

>hands, skin in general, and follow pathways to other areas resembles that of

>whether acupuncture has legitimacy..  Scientific frameworks may not prove

>it...it is experiential.



I don' think so. I would not characterize Acupuncture as experimental. 

Acupuncture has 3000 years of extensive empirical evidence and used by a 

very practical culture. I have not heard in this thread the dogmatic 

argument that if it can't be PROVED by inductive scientific method that it 

must be discounted. What has been questioned  is that in the light of what 

is known from anatomy of the skin are the feet the site to use.



The original discussion here is not if garlic penetrates to the general 

system but are the soles of the feet  an appropriate site for topical 

application.



>If I handle cut onions, though...I have onion breath..and my hands are

>leathery and tough, too.



C-M wrote:

>And than there are some experts who say that the 'scent' was picked

>up by the olfactory system and delivered via bloodtream, hence the

>garlicbreath



In the course of this discussion the only logical argument that I have 

heard for using garlic on the feet is that it is less likely to blister 

there. Personally I am not aware of garlic blistering the skin if applied 

for a reasonable time to the wrist or ankle. Do others know of such cases?



>Rubbing nice aromatics on my feet appeals more...



Well if were are talking "warm fuzzies" we are at cross lines. Not that 

"warm fuzzies" aren't therapeutic, but let's be clear about the point under 

discussion.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: type b strep- long reply

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:27:19 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com> :



The ACOG handout says that 40% of women are carriers and that 1-2% of their

babies will become "infected".  They are not seperating those who become ill

from those who culture positive.  Anyone have the stats on this?



It goes on to say that 5% of the babies that are infected will die from the

disease.   This included late and early infection.



---------

this is from the CDC guideline pamphlet---the attack rate was quite high

among infants born to colonized mothers with one or more risk factors. In

this group, the attack rate was 40.8 per 1000 births(this is 4%), or about

1 in 25 infants. Infants born to colonized mothers without a risk factor

had the next highest risk of early onset disease, with an attack rate of

5.1 per 1000 births ( this is .5%), or about 1 in 200 infants.



here are the risk factors>>>>>>>>> delivery < 37 weeks, Rupture of

membranes longer >18 hrs, maternal temp over 100.4 during labor, if mom has

had an infant with GBS before, GBS bacteriuria this pregnancy.



The CDC pamphlet also talks about when the culture is done, the best

results came from cultures done within 5 weeks of delivery. Cultrures done

6 weeks or more before birth were far less accurate in regards to

predicting transmission to infants. Also moms who were colonized both in

the vagina and the rectum were more likely to colonize their infants.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/gbs/index.htm

------------------

so you see the numbers are all over the place there are also now because of

treatment resistant strains and other infections like e. coli  that these

kidos can get.

a womans GBS status can change through out a pregnancy or throught out her

life for that matter. Alternative approaches are aimed at rebalancing

intestinal and vaginal flora and supporting a healthy immune sustem.

Beta-strep often coexists with cronic yeast infections. Diet is the primary

treatment-see books like- What to Eat When You're Expecting ( Eisenberg,

Murkoff, and Hathaway) or The Natural Pregnancy Book by Aviva Jill Romm.

 Echinacea, burdock, astragalus, these can be taken 32 weeks on. something

that can be used as a sits bath or in a peri-bottle lavender, rosemary,

thyme, calendula and yarrow about 1/3 cup of mixture to a quart of water

once brewed you can add 1/4 cup of sea salt . strain to put into a

peri-bottle to use, remainder can be stored for a sort time on a counter or

longer in the fridge. or you can add the entire quart mixture to a tub for

a warm sits bath 1x a day. I like a plastic tub your bottom fits into with

a bit to spare I have found them at the dollar store.

 Sharon in Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Milk thistle, Duke's web site

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:44:46 -0500

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If you use the milk thistle seeds fresh, make sure the seeds are black

and not grey (too immature but common in commerce.)  



And the glycerites are useless.  Glycerine and water won't extract the

silybum and when they add alcohol extracted milk thistle extract to

glycerine it percipitates out ind is filtered away.



Tincture it in lab alcohol or Everclear.  I found some available on a

laborotary chemical site on the web.  No hassle or paperwork required.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Bee Propolis was... type b strep

From: "Kris Hall" <atlantic1@onetel.net.uk>

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:04:43 -0800

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Bee propolis are resins from close to the hive. They might contain anything

from

your normal (generally) non-toxic conifers to highly toxic resins from

Oleander.

===========

Where do you get this information?????  "Close" to the hive???  This sounds

like DIS information that you have swallowed.  Resins?  Never had bee resins

before.

Oleander leaves have a toxic covering, but I have eaten the honey made from

hives very near flowering oleanders with no ill effects.  Never have used

"resins."  Please specify how propolis is the same as resins.

Kris



Recognize joy when it arrives in the plain brown

wrappings of everyday life.  ~Judith Viorst



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Shingles

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:01:10 -0500

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I have had good luck giving melissa infusion (lemon balm).



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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easier to give up than the bad ones."  W. Somerset Maugham



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: tincturing measurement question

From: "Renee Amonette" <rja86@webtv.net>

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:49:24 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Renee Amonette <rja86@webtv.net> :



Hi. Can someone tell me the rule of thumb regarding what a "part" is when tincturing?  Is it by volume, (cup to cup, etc) or is it by weight?

I made a one tincture of dried herbs, used about 4 herbs, and all they all weighed different, and I used a oz scale to weigh them according to the "parts" needed, example (1 part=1oz, and 2 parts=2oz)

I used 100 proof vodka and 1 large glass jar.

Thanks,

Renee



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tincturing measurement question

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 11:15:48 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Renee Amonette" <rja86@webtv.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>Hi. Can someone tell me the rule of thumb regarding what a "part" is when tincturing?  Is it by volume, (cup to cup, etc) or is it by weight?

>I made a one tincture of dried herbs, used about 4 herbs, and all they all weighed different, and I used a oz scale to weigh them according to the "parts" needed, example (1 part=1oz, and 2 parts=2oz)

>I used 100 proof vodka and 1 large glass jar.



In tincturing dry parts are by weight and liquid parts by volume. In metric 100

g is equivalent to 1 dl, 1 kg is equivalent to 1 liter.

In 'mercan measurements 1 ounce is equivalent to 1 ounce, 1 pint to 1 pound.

More or less.



So when you tincture fresh herb you take 1 part (by weight) of chopped-up herb

(say, 300 g or 11 ounces) to 2 parts (by volume) of 95 % alcohol (say, 6 dl or

22 ounces). That should fill a 1-liter (or quart) jar admirably.



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tincturing measurement question

From: "Renee Amonette" <rja86@webtv.net>

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 15:24:28 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Renee Amonette <rja86@webtv.net> :



Thank you so much for your reply.  So, for the home tincturing I do for myself, dried herbs, you go by weight, not volume?  I usually just use ozs as parts, and cover with vodka and an additonal 1". If I made a mixture of valerian, hops, passionflower, I would measure ea one in oz the same exact weight then, and put in 1 jar with liquid?  I did that and the hops were several cups worth and the valerian was maybe 1/3 of a cup.

If a book says parts, the herbs can be combined in equal weights, and if the recipe says %, is that still weight?

I do now understand that volume is liquid I think.

Well, did I confuse you further?  It is just that all books are different, and I needed a majority answer, and I will follow your advice, so thank you again



I love your website



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: tincturing measurement question

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 22:43:36 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Renee Amonette" <rja86@webtv.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>If a book says parts, the herbs can be combined in equal weights, and if the recipe says %, is that still weight?



If there is a percentage mentioned, in tincturing, that's the strength of your

alcohol.



Henriette



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hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland      http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Bee Pollen & Royal Jelly

From: Gogi <crusso@wmni.net>

Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 06:49:40 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Gogi <crusso@wmni.net> :



Someone asked about bee pollen.   I'd like to share a personal testimony and

hope that fits within the guidelines of this list.   My apologies in advance if

it does not.



I am NA/AI (Native American/American Indian [Cherokee]).   We learn by observing

nature.  Back in the 60's I began to eat bee pollen granules when you could buy

an entire gallon jug for about $15.00 (USA).  I would eat about one heaping

tablespoon a day.  I noticed that I wasn't getting colds and felt energized.  I

continued to do this and noticed the process of aging had seemingly slowed way

down for me.  About ten years ago I realized that the difference between a

worker bee and a Queen bee was the Royal Jelly she received.   Royal jelly is

different than just plain bee pollen.  (I'll spare you the process of how it's

made.)  So, I switched to Royal Jelly.   I can't remember how long it's been

since I've taken antibiotics, but it has got to be about twenty or more years

now.  I take one capsule of 1,000 mg. of Royal Jelly every day.   I notice it

when I miss, too.  I do not recommend starting at this high dosage, though.

Bear in mind I've been eating this stuff for about twenty-five years or more

now.  Also, I would be careful if you are allergic to various things.   Just as

you can find honey made from clover, "raw," or sumac (poison ivy/oak), etc., you

can get bee pollen from a variety of sources.  It is best to start very very

small (a couple of granules) and see how you tolerate it.   By the way, I do not

get poison oak/ivy either, although I tromp in the woods almost every day.  My

property is covered with it.  Am I immune to it because of all the bee

pollen/royal jelly I've ingested for twenty-five plus years?   I don't know.

Hope this helps someone out there.  Exercise caution introducing anything new

into your bodies.



*Gogi



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: stomach ulcer

From: paf@webzone.net

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:39:35 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by paf@webzone.net :



Are there any herbs good for the healing and soothing of a stomach ulcer

other than, say, slippery elm?  Wd appreciate your recommendations.

Thanks,

Anita



--



paf@webzone.net



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stomach ulcer

From: Gogi <crusso@wmni.net>

Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 07:56:55 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Gogi <crusso@wmni.net> :



My elderly dad had a Peptic (gastric) ulcer last year.   I made him take 4

ounces of food-grade aloe vera juice daily.  He said I was trying to poison him

because it tasted so bad to him.   (I don't think so.)   Anyway, I didn't want

to press my luck and also tell him to take Cat's claw, Vitamin E, and to change

his eating habits.  Drinking lots of water helps, as well.   Also, had I told

him to suspend (for a time) drinking cow's milk because the calcium and proteins

it contains actually stimulates the production of more acid, he would have fled

from my sight on the spot.   He loves his milk.   So, I was only left with

insisting he drink this "poison" daily.   After three days, he felt better.

After two weeks, his symptoms disappeared, and he quickly stopped drinking the

juice.  He hates to admit it, but it helped alleviate his symptoms, and they

have not returned todate.



*Gogi



paf@webzone.net wrote:



> Sent to the herblist by paf@webzone.net :

>

> Are there any herbs good for the healing and soothing of a stomach ulcer

> other than, say, slippery elm?  Wd appreciate your recommendations.

> Thanks,

> Anita

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stomach ulcer

From: Christa-Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 11:14:06 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by cmaria@triton.net :



Millett, a grain, is very good and used in India to heal ulcers.

It took care of a pre-ulcer , acid reflux problem for me.

I ate millett cooked like rice as my main diet and staple, with broth

that I made from veggies and chicken, ate it morning, noon and

night..stayed away from dairy and fruit.

My Doc was amazed for sure thought I had to be on Prilosec forever..I

took one look at the cost of that prescription and thought millett was

cheaper and healthier.

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stomach ulcer

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com>

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:01:14 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <ntlor@primenet.com> :



>Sent to the herblist by paf@webzone.net :

>

>Are there any herbs good for the healing and soothing of a stomach ulcer

>other than, say, slippery elm?  Wd appreciate your recommendations.

>Thanks,

>Anita

>

>

first of all find out if the person with ulcers has H. Pylori this is the

bacteria that is often responsible for ulcers.  If it is then you could use

a detailed herbal treatment to address this infection as well as preventing

it in the future.  Silena Heron gave a presentation- Botanical Assistance

for Indigestion, Heartburn, Ulcers(stomach&dodenal) and H. pylori Infection

at the SW Conference on Botanical Medicine 1998, I suggest getting the

proceedings book as well as her lecture tape- I saw the lecture and she

offers treatments she has used successfully on folks. I have treated people

in the past for ulcers some successfully some not. The people with GURD are

a little more complex because their weight is often the biggest factor and

the hardest to address. Rule out food allergies. Get rid of asprin or other

nonsteroidal anti-inflamatory drugs.

a simple list of herbs that help: bitters,  raw cabbage juice, chamomile,

licorish root or you could use DGL tablets if you have blood pressure

concerns, Saint John's Wort, mallow, yarrow is a great astringent stiptic

and a bitter



Sharon in Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stomach ulcer

From: "D.L." <danlowe@ciudad.com.ar>

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 00:11:04 -0300

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Sent to the herblist by daniela lowe <danlowe@ciudad.com.ar> :



Undoubtedly, and as Sharon mentioned, it is always suggested to 

have a correct diagnose of the peptic ulcer's origin. 

Heliobacter pillory, is usually treated with antibiotics, though what 

in my own ,and humble opinion I would take care in first place, are 

eating habits.

Usually gastric ulcers require, in their first month of treatment a 

very strict diet, were no acid,or citric food are included. Also no 

milk or any of it's derivated products.( if eating some cheese should 

be some tender and most natural cheese, ) as regards veggies, 

during the first moments the best of all of them are boiled carrots, 

and boiled squash (or pumpkins), chicken , red meat, and fish, all 

of them grille, or boiled or cooked in the oven, and avoid all sweets, 

including sugars.

Of course, no raw salads.

Herbs teas as chamomile, or even fennel seeds tea, plus water 

(plenty of it) .

This would be just an approach to a peptic ulcer diet. At least what 

they give in my country.

In my case and to help with heatburns, I usually use licorice. 

I hope your dad get's well very soon!



Take care, and have a nice day!



Danielita.

Buenos Aires, 

Argentina.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stomach ulcer

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:43:21 EST

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Sent to the herblist by herbmednurse@aol.com :



In a message dated 11/9/00 9:56:25 AM, crusso@wmni.net writes:



<< So, I was only left with

insisting he drink this "poison" daily.   After three days, he felt better.

After two weeks, his symptoms disappeared, and he quickly stopped drinking the

juice.  He hates to admit it, but it helped alleviate his symptoms, and they

have not returned todate.



*Gogi

 >>



Aloe must be wonderful internally.  When a friend of mine had considerable 

gastrointestinal problems, including gallbladder problems; a top 

gastroenterologist in the area recommended she drink aloe juice daily, and 

even looked into dandelion root.

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: stomach ulcer

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:35:38 EST

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Sent to the herblist by herbmednurse@aol.com :



In a message dated 11/9/00 9:06:54 PM, danlowe@ciudad.com.ar writes:



<< Of course, no raw salads. >>



any special reason why?  

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Aloe Vera

From: Gogi <crusso@wmni.net>

Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 08:16:42 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Gogi <crusso@wmni.net> :



Aloe Vera (Aloe barbadensis/capensis/vera), by the way, is contraindicated in cases

of intestinal obstruction, acutely inflamed intestinal diseases (i.e. Crohn's

disease, ulcerative colitis), appendicitis and abdominal pain of unknown origin.

(PDR for Herbal Medicines, 2nd Ed.)



*Gogi



Gogi wrote:



> Sent to the herblist by Gogi <crusso@wmni.net> :

>

> My elderly dad had a Peptic (gastric) ulcer last year.   I made him take 4

> ounces of food-grade aloe vera juice daily.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Aloe Vera

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@peacock.bigsky.net>

Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 09:24:56 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by 2 <honthaas@email.bigsky.net> :



>Aloe Vera (Aloe barbadensis/capensis/vera), by the way, is contraindicated

in cases

>of intestinal obstruction, acutely inflamed intestinal diseases (i.e. Crohn's

>disease, ulcerative colitis), appendicitis and abdominal pain of unknown

origin.



Do they differenciate between the aloe gel and the rind or skin?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Aloe Vera

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:23:11 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by marcia v grossbard <ngbard@juno.com> :



 Sent to the herblist by Gogi <crusso@wmni.net> :> 

> Aloe Vera (Aloe barbadensis/capensis/vera), by the way, is 

contraindicated in cases of intestinal obstruction... My elderly dad had

a Peptic (gastric) ulcer last year.   I made him take 4 ounces of

food-grade aloe vera juice daily.

....Do they differenciate between the aloe gel and the rind or skin?

(Victoria's question)



Herbal aloe vera,imho, is whole leaf or whole leaf extract. IMHO, a large

compendium of herbal info like the Herbal PDR( which I have and like very

much) would stick to its pattern of either whole herb use or usual part

use and not divide the herb into parts, -- too many extra pages (4 pages

incl. refs).   The whole leaf is a very strong cathartic, and the

granules emptied from a capsule is a very strong external cleansing

agent, for skin, and even for cleaning countertops after using it in a

blend.  If someone's digestive system is very irritated and vulnerable,

whole leaf aloe vera would tend to be ungentle at the very least.

However, the aloe mucin or central gel, or juice from the same gel might

be a supportive gentle purifier and "encourager of health" as intuited by

my late father-in-law, an allopathic M.D. 

Marcia

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: Aloe Vera

From: "Gardenthyme Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:39:52 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by gardenthyme~lady <dblan@netusa1.net> :



My step mom has divertoticulitus (sp), and was just released from the

hospital, but she still has to go for more tests next week.  They were going

to operate and she would have to had a colostomy bag,  for life I believe,

with the antibiotics and interveinous feeding, the inflammation and

infection reduced enough they were able to put off the surgery.  She does

not want to go through this, and if taking aloe vera would be of help to her

I will let her know, not sure if you're saying aloe vera would help in her

case or not, any advise is appreciated.

Dee

Sent to the herblist by Gogi <crusso@wmni.net> :



Aloe Vera (Aloe barbadensis/capensis/vera), by the way, is contraindicated

in cases

of intestinal obstruction, acutely inflamed intestinal diseases (i.e.

Crohn's

disease, ulcerative colitis), appendicitis and abdominal pain of unknown

origin.

(PDR for Herbal Medicines, 2nd Ed.)



*Gogi



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Aloe Vera

From: Gogi <crusso@wmni.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:14:06 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Gogi <crusso@wmni.net> :



Diverticulitis is a condition in which the mucous membranes lining the colon

become inflamed, resulting the formation of small, pouchlike areas called

diverticula in the large intestine.  Once diverticula develop, they do not go

away.   Diverticula typically form when an individual is constipated.



Fiber (oat bran) helps prevent constipation.  Aloe Vera promotes the healingof

inflamed areas.  It also helps to prevent constipation.  Drink 1/2 cup of aloe

vera food-grade juice three times daily.  It can be mixed with herbal tea.  Pau

d'arco has an antibacterial, cleansing, and healing effect.  Drink two cups of

pau d'arco tea daily.  Other herbs beneficial to diverticulitis include

chamomile, papaya, red clover, and yarrow extract or tea.   (Do not use

chamomile on an ongoing basis, as ragweed allergy may result.  Avoid it

completely if you are allergic to ragweed.)



The key to controlling this disorder is to consume an adequate amount of fiber

and lots of quality water.   You need at least 30 grams of fiber each day.



*Gogi



Gardenthyme Lady wrote:



> My step mom has divertoticulitus (sp),

> and if taking aloe vera would be of help to her

> I will let her know, not sure if you're saying aloe vera would help in her

> case or not, any advise is appreciated.

> Dee



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Aloe Vera

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 21:17:09 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :



Gogi wrote:



> (Do not use

> chamomile on an ongoing basis, as ragweed allergy may result.



I've never heard this before.  Do others agree?



May

--

"Seeing the wonder of the universe is as simple as looking through the eyes of a

child. But catching a child and removing their eyes--now *that's* the hard

part."     - Charles Gulledge



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Aloe Vera

From: "Ken" <drkcs@direct.ca>

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:44:11 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Ken <drkcs@direct.ca> :



My Suggestion for your mom is to make a visit to see a Doctor of Traditional

Chinese Medicine.  Being one myself, and having come from a Allopathic

background, I have full respect for the views and usage of Chinese herbs for

the treatment of diverticulitis and many other diseases.  I have personally

treated many cases like this and have not had one fail as of yet.  If the

diagnosis is correct by the doctor, all will work out correct and the

patient should be on the road to recovery very fast.  I am not sure the area

that your mother lives, but you may be able to get info from the yellow

pages or possibly a Naturopathic Physician (which I would not suggest taking

acupuncture or Chinese herbs from).  The treatment of this disease in T.C.M.

terms typically is classified as heat or damp-heat in the lower jiao, which

may not mean a lot to you but if the T.C.M. doctor that you have

corresponded with suggests that this is the case than I would probably think

that they are on the right treatment plan.  Hope all goes well with your

mom!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: R: Urinary tract infection

From: "marco valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:39:15 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it> :



<<The soles of the feet and the palms of the hand are supposedly the most

permeable areas of the skin.

Amy>>



It depends: permeable to what kind of substance?  The skin of hands and feet

has the thicker stratum corneum of the whole body; the stratum corneum is

both lipophilic and hydrophilic, therefore it is not crossed easily by

highly lipophilic or highly hydrophilic substances; perhaps it is best

crossed by mixed molecules (lipo and hydro) .  In general IMO the thicker

the stratum corneum the less permeable the skin; you also have to consider

that soles and palms do not have hair follicles, a very likely path for

trascutaneous absorption.

Thin and hairy areas of skin are thus likely to be the area of higher

absorption.  If we take allergic/toxic reactions to substances to be a good

indicator of absorption (a molecule needs to get through the stratum corneum

before it can cause a toxic reaction), then the neck, abdomen, and other

areas seem to be more permeable.

I doubt you could get enough garlic molecules through the skin to get

significat urinary antiinfective action.  When Belaiche gave Tea Tree ess

oil orally to his patients in high dosages (tens of drops) he could not

eradicate candida albicans, and we are talking of much higher concentration

than those ever reacheable through skin absorption.



Cheers

Marco



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: R: Urinary tract infection

From: "marco valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 14:47:44 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it> :



<<Well, I did consult my anatomy texts and grad school notes, and I'm still

not convinced that the skin isn't permeable to substances.  Until it is

"proven" otherwise, I will continue to believe that components of herbs and

essential oils are absorbed through the skin>>



Just to emphasize the fact that I did not assert that the skin isn't

permeable to substances.  What I meant to convey was the fact that the skin

is a very complex organ, which is no simply permeable nor non-permeable.  It

uses active and passive means of transport and it is not simply a barrier.

Event substances that make it through the stratum corneum (SC) will be at

least partially metabolised IN the skin.  The skin also is not a homogeneous

medium but it is stratified in a non simple way.  The behaviour of

substances trying to pass through it is not simple, some will pass the SC up

to a certain point but then remain in it as a sort of reservour and then

evaporate away , while others, lime methyl salicilate for instance, will

pass very quickly into the blood stream.  There doesn't seem to be a simple

correlation between molecular structure and ease of passage, apart from

size, which is obviously the limiting factor.  What is important though is

not the fact that there is a passage through the skin, but if the amounts of

substances that pass can have a pharmacological action, especially when we

are talking about UTI.  The substance would have to pass through  the skin

in sufficent amounts and then get to the UT in sufficent amounts.  We know

that many metabolic passages can reduce the amount of an active substance in

the blood stream, thence it seems very unlikely that any substance applied

to the feet coul be absorbed in sufficent amount to get to a high enough

concentration in the UT.  There are exceptions of course, like methyl

salicilate, and all the drugs that are give transdermally.  However, as for

the second ones, they usually do not resemble lipophilic compounds.

Nicotin, administered transdermally, is a water soluble alkaloid, and so are

many other pharmaceuticals.  Moreover, there is always, by definition,

occlusion of the skin, an occlusion which lessens the losses in the air and

enhances penetration by moistening the skin.  I do not deny the passage of

some molecules of garlic in the blood stream, but I am sayig that we do not

know whtether the type and amount of substances are correct.  It could be

that the fraction which is normally active against pathogens doesn't really

make it through.

I have the feeling that many actions through the feet are really actions IN

the feet that then are reflected in the rest of the body.  Even withouth

buying to a schema of systemic correspondence between feet and organs, we

know that stimulations of the skin, mechanical and chemical, does induce

variations in organs via the nervous system.  Well, just a thought



cheers



marco



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: R: Urinary tract infection

From: Christa-Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 07:03:10 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by cmaria@triton.net :



<<When Belaiche gave Tea Tree ess

oil orally to his patients in high dosages (tens of drops) he could not

eradicate candida albicans, and we are talking of much higher

concentration

than those ever reacheable through skin absorption.>>



Am curious, were those patients also put on a no sugar, no carbo diet?

To me that is essential whenattacking candida albicans.

For just a simple 'yeastinfections' a douche with teetree works rather

well..

Hope you are doing well, writ emore often, please..your posts are alwas

so informative and I learn from them.

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: R: Urinary tract infection

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:00:11 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :



Christa-Maria wrote:



> For just a simple 'yeastinfections' a douche with teetree works rather

> well..



I'd like to add my testimony to that.  It does indeed work.



May

--

"Seeing the wonder of the universe is as simple as looking through the eyes of

a child. But catching a child and removing their eyes--now *that's* the hard

part."     - Charles Gulledge



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Dr. Christopher question

From: "Renee Amonette" <rja86@webtv.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:50:15 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Renee Amonette <rja86@webtv.net> :



Hi, Can someone tell me if David Christopher is the son of Dr. John Christopher?  I bought the book school of natural healing, and it is by John Christopher.  Is there a better book by David, regarding formulas?

Just wondering if I got the right book, bec. I want the books that everyone is talking about when they say, (Dr. Christopher)

Thanks again,

Renee



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Dr. Christopher question

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@peacock.bigsky.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:00:29 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by 2 <honthaas@email.bigsky.net> :



At 07:50 PM 11/10/00 -0500, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by Renee Amonette <rja86@webtv.net> :

>

>Hi, Can someone tell me if David Christopher is the son of Dr. John

Christopher?  I bought the book school of natural healing, and it is by

John Christopher.  Is there a better book by David, regarding formulas?

>Just wondering if I got the right book, bec. I want the books that

everyone is talking about when they say, (Dr. Christopher)

>Thanks again,

>Renee



That is the correct book. Yes, David is his son.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: R: R: Urinary tract infection

From: "marco valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 07:43:53 +0100

--------

Sent to the herblist by Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it> :



Hi Christa-Maria, nice hearing from you.



No, the women were on no special diet, as the aim of the study was to

ascertain the efficay of teat tree as a systemic anticandida (and a a

systemic urinary antiinfective).  In fact the results were encouraging,

because subjective symptoms did improve, but it did not resolve the

infection.  This was covered in more detail in a post to the idma list but I

cannot find the old message (about difficult bioavailability of essential

oils taken orally)



Cheers



Marco



<<Am curious, were those patients also put on a no sugar, no carbo diet?

To me that is essential whenattacking candida albicans.

For just a simple 'yeastinfections' a douche with teetree works rather

well..

Hope you are doing well, writ emore often, please..your posts are alwas

so informative and I learn from them.

C-M>>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: gastroparesis

From: Elliot Stoller <esherbal@earthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 08:50:42 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Elliot Stoller <esherbal@earthlink.net> :



Has anyone ever treated gastroparesis, a disorder in which the stomach takes

too long to empty its contents, causing pain and nausea?



Elliot Stoller



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: gastroparesis

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:06:53 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



I treat cold stomach impaired digestion under which I suspect

gastroperesis would fall.  For starters, warm soups, pickled ginger with

meals (warms and provides enzymes- get it in the macrobiotic section of

your health food store or in a place where sushi is made.)  Avoid cold

and raw foods.



I'd also mix essential oil of ginger with castor oil and massage it into

your stomach after meals.  The massage, the warming of the ginger oil and

the downward action of the castor oil should increase the speed at which

your stomach empties.



Also make sure that you have sufficient probiotics in your diet so that

emptying of your stomach is not blocked from below.  Unpasteurized blue

cheese in small room-temperature doses, miso soup, pickled vegetables and

supplements can all help.  If you use yogurt, make it plain and whole

fat, and not too much since it is cooling.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

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easier to give up than the bad ones."  W. Somerset Maugham



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Milk Thistle Seed

From: Joan Russell <joanr@mindlink.net>

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:37:43 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by joanr@mindlink.net :



> Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :

> 

> If you use the milk thistle seeds fresh, make sure the seeds are black

> and not grey (too immature but common in commerce.)



I harvested about a pound of my own milk thistle this year

(what a job - vicious thorns - I swear they tried to kill me <g>).  Some

of them aren't mature but most of them are black (they are now dried). 

Does the immature seed have any of the properties like silymarin in them

or would it be best to pick the immature seeds out....sigh....  I will

be making a

tincture from some of them after grinding them first....................Joan



*************************

joanr@mindlink.net

My Country Garden

http://mycountrygarden.net

(NEW URL)



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle Seed

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@peacock.bigsky.net>

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:47:49 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by 2 <honthaas@email.bigsky.net> :



>> 

>> If you use the milk thistle seeds fresh, make sure the seeds are black

>> and not grey (too immature but common in commerce.)

>

>I harvested about a pound of my own milk thistle this year



How did you seperate the seed for the flowerhead



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle Seed

From: Joan Russell <joanr@mindlink.net>

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:09:50 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by joanr@mindlink.net :



Veronica Honthaas wrote:



> How did you seperate the seed from the flowerhead



First I put them in an old 50lb. wheat sack, jumped on them and beat

them with a shovel.  The seeds that didn't come out by that method I

picked out by hand.....took a long time but I am stubborn and I had

something to do while visiting or watching TV.  Would I do it

again.....yes......nothing like raising your own medicine!.................Joan



*************************

joanr@mindlink.net

My Country Garden

http://mycountrygarden.net

(NEW URL)



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle Seed

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 21:53:12 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



If you leave the seeds in the seed heads, cut them off and let them dry

in a protected place, many will continue to mature and turn black.  Then

the seeds will start to pop out on their own from the seed heads (without

reseeding unduly everywhere on your land) and you can winnow them.



The lighter seeds will still germinate.  They may turn black if you let

them age.  It takes more of the lighter seed to get the desired effect.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

"The unfortunate thing about this world is that the good habits are much

easier to give up than the bad ones."  W. Somerset Maugham



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Chamomile

From: Gogi <crusso@wmni.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 07:09:51 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Gogi <crusso@wmni.net> :



Thank you, May, for asking.   The qualifier used was "may" result.

According to

the PDR on Herbal Medicines, 2nd Ed., "the drug possesses a small

potential for

sensitization."   In people with a propensity for ragweed allergies,

prolonged use

of chamomile ***may***produce a sensitization (a condition whereby one

is sensitized

to a particular substance).  Although the possibility is a slight one, I

thought I

would mention it anyway.  I would be remiss if I hadn't.



*Gogi



May Terry wrote:



> > (Do not use

> > chamomile on an ongoing basis, as ragweed allergy may result.)

>

> I've never heard this before.  Do others agree?

>

> May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Chamomile

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:03:20 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :



Gogi wrote:



> Thank you, May, for asking.   The qualifier used was "may" result.

> According to

> the PDR on Herbal Medicines, 2nd Ed., "the drug possesses a small

> potential for

> sensitization."   In people with a propensity for ragweed allergies,

> prolonged use

> of chamomile ***may***produce a sensitization



Thanks for responding to this, Gogi.  I just wanted some perspective on it,

since I think chamomile is generally so valuable and mild enough for everyone,

including children.



May

--

"Seeing the wonder of the universe is as simple as looking through the eyes of

a child. But catching a child and removing their eyes--now *that's* the hard

part."     - Charles Gulledge



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Chamomile

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:02:08 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



May Terry <mterry@snet.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>> Thank you, May, for asking.   The qualifier used was "may" result. According to

>> the PDR on Herbal Medicines, 2nd Ed., "the drug possesses a small potential for

>> sensitization." In people with a propensity for ragweed allergies, prolonged use

>> of chamomile ***may***produce a sensitization

>

>Thanks for responding to this, Gogi.  I just wanted some perspective on it,

>since I think chamomile is generally so valuable and mild enough for everyone,

>including children.



The PDR on herbal medicine is a -theoretical- work. It's not a book to

base too much of your herb use on.



In theory, chamomile contains the same sequiterpenes (IIRC) that make

(some) other plants in the Compositae (Asteraceae, whatever) family

allergic.

In practice, chamomile is a nice plant to help you with your allergies,

among other things.



Also please note that there's different chamomiles. When I say chamomile

I mean Matricaria recutita/matricarioides (or whatever they're called

this week), or German chamomile. 

Some people might mean Roman chamomile (Anthemis nobilis), which is

another animal altogether, though close enough therapeutically. It

doesn't really grow up here so I haven't used it.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Chamomile

From: Gogi <crusso@wmni.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:32:04 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Gogi <crusso@wmni.net> :



Henriette Kress wrote:



> The PDR on herbal medicine is a -theoretical- work. It's not a book to

> base too much of your herb use on.

>



It is merely one tool of many of mine, Henriette.   The authors of the PDR for Herbal

Medicines state the following:



PDR for Herbal Medicines is the product of one of the most thorough and inclusive

examinations of the herbal literature ever undertaken.   Nevertheless, it is important

to remember that it merely summarizes and synthesizes key data from the underlying

research reports, and of necessity includes neither every published report nor every

recorded fact.



As in all scientific investigation, conclusions regarding the effectiveness of the

herbs discussed in this compendium are based on the preponderance of current evidence

and cannot be considered firm or final.  The publisher does not warrant that any herb

will unfailingly and uniformly exhibit the properties ascribed to it by Germany's

Commission E or any other scientific authority.



*****

It is merely another tool that I've added to my practice recently.   It is simply a

guide to include and consult when trying to give the most informative response.   It is

just another tool.



*Gogi



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Chamomile

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:30:49 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Gogi <crusso@wmni.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>It is merely one tool of many of mine, Henriette.   The authors of the PDR for Herbal Medicines state the following:

>PDR for Herbal Medicines is the product of one of the most thorough and inclusive

>examinations of the herbal literature ever undertaken.   Nevertheless, it is 

(snip)



Like I said, theoretical. I don't like the trend towards "scientific

herbalism", especially as there is no such beast, in practice.



While there might be MDs who want to know about herbs on this list that

doesn't make their paradigm (as practised in their 10 minute or less per

patient) valid. It's not about naming diseases and ameliorating

symptoms, it's getting to the root of the problem and changing

lifestyle, with a little nudge from herbs.



In the PDR you'll find the MD paradigm, prominently. That view is not

compatible with my views of this list.



Henriette, listowner.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Chamomile

From: Gogi <crusso@wmni.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:57:33 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Gogi <crusso@wmni.net> :



You are correct.   This is your list.   My thinking and premise to my posts is that a practicing herbalist or ND should

have a broad base of knowledge to support and underpin their experiential practice and subsequent empirical data.  The

body is a System comprised of systems interacting with one another.  Many people take allopathic medications, for

example, and an herbalist or ND must have a working knowledge of these things for contraindications, if for no other

reason.  I have a plethora of traditionally based herbal knowledge and subsequent years of practice, but I like to keep

uptodate on treatises so that I may make the most informative decision I can.   Since my posts, which include, but are by

no means limited to, information from the "MD paradigm," are not welcome additions to your list, I will go.  I wish to

thank you and the others for the time shared.



Tohidv!

(It means "Good Peace")



Gogi



Henriette Kress wrote:



> While there might be MDs who want to know about herbs on this list that

> doesn't make their paradigm (as practised in their 10 minute or less per

> patient) valid. It's not about naming diseases and ameliorating

> symptoms, it's getting to the root of the problem and changing

> lifestyle, with a little nudge from herbs.

>

> In the PDR you'll find the MD paradigm, prominently. That view is not

> compatible with my views of this list.

>

> Henriette, listowner.

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Chamomile

From: "D.L." <danlowe@ciudad.com.ar>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:38:23 -0300

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Sent to the herblist by daniela lowe <danlowe@ciudad.com.ar> :



Hi, again, how are you all?



I just wanted to add my 2 cts. 

Here, in my area, Anthemis Cotula grows everywhere, and mostly 

it is used as a sustitue for German Chamomile, even by different 

tea companies, which use, label and sell commercially this kind of 

"chamomile" 

I enjoy it very much, and use it on a daily basis, since four years 

ago.  I know it is not usually recommended to do so, but I changed 

my brown ordinary tea for chamomile tea, or sometime other herbal 

teas. 

 

My stomach really appreciated the change! And though  this 

variety of Anthemis is not nice in smell, it is tasty . (Or I got very 

used to it :-)))



Cheers!

And enjoy the weekend



Danielita.



> they're called this week), or German chamomile. Some people might mean

> Roman chamomile (Anthemis nobilis), which is another animal

> altogether, though close enough therapeutically. It doesn't really

> grow up here so I haven't used it.

> 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Chamomile

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:32:36 EST

--------

Sent to the herblist by herbmednurse@aol.com :



In a message dated 11/12/00 12:04:07 PM, hetta@saunalahti.fi writes:



<< The PDR on herbal medicine is a -theoretical- work. It's not a book to

base too much of your herb use on.

 >>



Henriette,

if you could pick three books on herbs that you could not do without - what 

would they be?

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Black tongue

From: Carrie9557@aol.com

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:11:41 EST

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Sent to the herblist by carrie9557@aol.com :



Any suggestions on what this might be from......are there any herbal remedies 

available?



My sisters tongue is  turning black.  So far its only the very "back" of the 

tongue but it looks as though it could be spreading.  She was on prednisone a 

couple of weeks ago as a boost to help recover from pneumonia.......(it was 

only for 5 days).  Could this have caused it?  She does take Effexor but 

accoding to the info. I've read.....this is  not one of the side effects.  

Any help at all would greatly appreciated.  Her husband refuses to kiss her 

until this is treated and cured.....I "know" she's anxious to fnd a remedy.

Thanks in advance for your help

Carrie



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Black tongue

From: Gogi <crusso@wmni.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:28:20 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Gogi <crusso@wmni.net> :



Does your sister smoke?   Just curious.   My first husband did (he's dead

now...not from that), and he had a black tongue way in the back region.



*Gogi



Carrie9557@aol.com wrote:



> My sisters tongue is  turning black.  So far its only the very "back" of the

> tongue but it looks as though it could be spreading.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Black tongue

From: Gogi <crusso@wmni.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:35:42 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Gogi <crusso@wmni.net> :



I forgot to say that his black tongue was due to coughing up phlegm and tar from

his lungs.



*Gogi



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Black tongue

From: "Vicki Shelton" <liberty@citynet.net>

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:41:03 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Vicki Shelton <liberty@citynet.net> :



There's something called "black hairy tongue".  My cousin had it once. 

According to this medical book, it can be caused by "antibiotic therapy,

excessive use of certain mouthwashes, decreased saliva flow, or lack of

adequate oral hygiene".  It also says it's not serious and should clear up

when the cause is removed.  I don't know that answer to what to do (if

anything) herbally, but, if that's what it is, maybe that information will

help figure it out.



HTH,



Vicki

liberty@citynet.net



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Black tongue

From: Carrie9557@aol.com

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:51:28 EST

--------

Sent to the herblist by carrie9557@aol.com :



In a message dated 11/12/2000 11:29:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, 

crusso@wmni.net writes:



<< Does your sister smoke?   Just curious.   My first husband did (he's dead

 now...not from that), and he had a black tongue way in the back region. >>

YES, AS A MATTER OF FACT SHE DOES.  



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Black tongue

From: "Aliceann Carlton" <walkaboo47@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 06:48:54 GMT

--------

Sent to the herblist by Aliceann Carlton <walkaboo47@hotmail.com> :



>From: Carrie9557@aol.com

>Reply-To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

>To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

>Subject: Black tongue

>Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:11:41 EST

>

>Sent to the herblist by carrie9557@aol.com :



>

>My sisters tongue is  turning black.  So far its only the very "back" of 

>the

>tongue but it looks as though it could be spreading.  She was on prednisone 

>a

>couple of weeks ago as a boost to help recover from pneumonia.......(it was

>only for 5 days).  Could this have caused it?



A tongue coating that is black is a primary sign of vata aggravation.  This 

makes sense if your sister is weakened from the pneumonia, was further 

immune suppressed by the steroids, and has a depression ( mental 

disturbances are also vata in nature).  In Ayurveda vata disturbances begin 

in the colon (the seat of the vata dosha), so are often manifested by a 

black coating on the back of the tongue, dryness, constipation, gas, 

coldness, weakness, poor immune function, anxious depression, poor 

concentration, increased sensitivity to loud noises, too much stimulation, 

too much cold or too much of anything.  Sesame oil massage every day will 

help.....if not possible full body then at least the soles of the feet and 

the head should be massaged with warm sesame oil.



Herbs that would help could include shatavari (asparagus racemosis), 

ashwagandha (withania somnifera), black sesame seed, trikatu formula, 

cardamom, marshmallow root, gotu kola, lotus root, sitopaladi formula (which 

will help with the pneumonia recovery as well as it is specific for lung 

problems in clearing and restoring function)....mix the powder with a little 

honey for the sitopaladi.  Ghee is specific for restoring colon function, 

nerve function, and overall health. Basmati rice and ghee will help rebuild 

digestive function especially with well cooked mung beans added.



It is important to rebuild body strength with warmth, rest, minimal stress 

and peaceful surroundings.  Vata imbalances spill over to other areas at a 

deep level and can be difficult to treat if the root problem is not treated.



Best wishes,

Aliceann



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Good books, was re: Chamomile

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:30:43 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Herbmednurse@aol.com wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>In a message dated 11/12/00 12:04:07 PM, hetta@saunalahti.fi writes:

><< The PDR on herbal medicine is a -theoretical- work. It's not a book to

>base too much of your herb use on. >>



>if you could pick three books on herbs that you could not do without - what 

>would they be?



- Michael Moore "Medicinal Plants of the Pacific West"

- Janice Schofield "Discovering Wild Plants" (because she's as far 

  north as I am and thus talks about plants found here, too)

The last one could be anything from

- Michael Moore: Herbal energetics (online on his site 

  ( http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE ) (and his other online

  manuals)

- Simon Mills: Out of the earth (= The essential book of Herbal

  Medicine)

- Rosemary Gladstar: Herbal healing for women

- Anne McIntyre: The complete women's herbal

- David Hoffman (any of his therapeutics clones, which includes his

  CD-ROM and his information on http://healthy.net )

- Paul Bergner's books (Healing power of ...)

- Matthew Wood: The book of Herbal Wisdom

- a nice little book that's probably out of print: The Hamlyn Guide to

  Edible and Medicinal Plants of Britain and Northern Europe (field

  guides are always good to have, and this one gives a nice summary of

  herb use)

- Henriette Kress: Mintusta voikukkaan - kytnnn lkekasvit (heh)

- the Readers' Digest book; Magic of plants? perhaps. Different names 

  in different countries. I know that the Swedish and Finnish versions

  are adequate, and they're excellent for beginners.

- King's American Dispensatory (almost all of the plants and a lot of 

  the preparations online on my site)



I've heard only good things about this one, but I don't have it yet:

- Andrew Chevallier's Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants (new edition 

  due out in December)



You'll find most of those, and some others, in the medicinal herbfaq,

part 7, with short commentaries.



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Good books, was re: Chamomile

From: "gcwhite" <gcwhite@ntlworld.com>

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:47:00 -0000

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Sent to the herblist by Graham White <gcwhite@ntlworld.com> :



Well, if we are playing this game again:



> >if you could pick three books on herbs that you could not do without -

what

> >would they be?



Essential-



Bartram T. 'Encyclopedia of Herbal Medicine'. Christchurch, Dorset: Grace,

1995



Mills SY, Bone K. 'Principles and Practice of Phytotherapy: Modern Herbal

Medicine'. Edinburgh: Churchill Livingstone, 2000



Trickey R. 'Women, Hormones & The Menstrual Cycle'. St. Leonards, Australia:

Allen & Unwin, 1998



Useful to have -



Bone K. 'Clinical Applications of Ayurvedic and Chinese Herbs'. Warwick,

Queensland: Phytotherapy Press, 1997



Brostoff J, Gamelin L. 'The Complete Guide to Food Allergy and Intolerance'.

London: Bloomsbury, 1992 [not specifically herbal]



Gascoigne S. 'The Manual of Conventional Medicine for Alternative

Practitioners'. Dorking: Jigme Press, 1995 [ditto]



Hobbs C. 'Medicinal Mushrooms'. Santa Cruz, CA: Botanica Press, 1995



Hobbs C. 'Foundations of Health: The Liver and Digestive Herbal'. Capitola,

CA: Botanica Press, 1992



Mills SY. 'The Essential Book of Herbal Medicine'. London: Arkana (Penguin),

1993



Priest AW, Priest LR. 'Herbal Medication: A Clinical and Dispensary

Handbook'. Saffron Waldon, Essex: C.W. Daniel, 2000 [recently reprinted -

available from the NIMH]



Wren RC. 'Potter's New Cyclopaedia of Botanical Drugs & Preparations'.

Saffron Walden: C. W. Daniel, 1988



One that always features on lists but which I don't personally have -



Weiss RF. 'Herbal Medicine'. Gothenburg, Sweden: AB Arcanum, 1988.



Cheers



Graham White  B.Sc. (Herb. Med.), MNIMH.

Medical Herbalist

Bishop's Stortford & Buntingford

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Good books, was re: Chamomile

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:29:45 +0200

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"gcwhite" <gcwhite@ntlworld.com> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



(snip interesting list)



>Weiss RF. 'Herbal Medicine'. Gothenburg, Sweden: AB Arcanum, 1988.



I have it, but it's really not that useful. Not for the price, at any

rate.

And whatever you do, don't buy the "updated" version, which is as

expensive, with most of the personal experience edited out and

"scientific research"  la Comm. E monographs edited in.



The editor (or publisher, or both) is moving with the times and making a

fast buck. If they had only reprinted the original instead ...



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Good books, was re: Chamomile

From: "amanda dean" <adeanjaz@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:27:34 GMT

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>

> >Weiss RF. 'Herbal Medicine'. Gothenburg, Sweden: AB Arcanum, 1988.

>

>I have it, but it's really not that useful. Not for the price, at any

>rate.

>

>Henriette

>>

>---

>Yes, I agree. It was a recommended book on the course that I did, but I 

>have to admit I never use it.

Amanda



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: diverticulitis, To Dee

From: "NIAMH MCGINLEY" <niamh@nmcginley.fsnet.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:26:50 -0000

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Dee,



I may  be speaking out of turn here, but someone close to me was very ill

with diverticulitis, and I appreciate how horrible it is.



My feeling about diverticulitis(and indeed many bowel disorders) is that

they are inextricably linked with emotional issues; anger, fear,loss of

control of life direction and the very will to live. Did a major life change

or event precede onset? As you know, a disease like this demands a change of

life. I think the soul has to communicate to the mind through the body when

it isn't being heard. It's the whole base chakra thing.



Thinking about these issues may help your mother in law to get a handle on

her disease and take control of her life. A stagnant bowel really is a

powerful metaphor for a stagnant life.



I pray she finds wholeness again.



Best wishes,

Niamh



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Defense against Gastroenteritis and Giardia at Camps

From: "Annie O'Brien" <annieo@dircon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:02:48 +0200

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Dear All,

  I am a member of a group which runs Native American Medicine Camps.The

water source is often from a borehole etc.  From time to time there are

epidemics of gastroenteritis,giardia etc.

  Aside from the obvious precautions in washing up(citricidal and hot

water) and handwashing facilities at toilets with bactericidal soap, one of

our members has suggested all of us taking Echinacea in our orange juice at

the camps and a "dose of citricidal" for the first two ceremony

days.(Obviously this would be irrelevant for giardia).

  I would like some feedback. Would Echinacea work this immediately in this

way?  I didn't know citricidal could be taken internally.(can it?) Any

suggestions on what preventative measures we could take would be very much

appreciated, and make being involved in these camps much more pleasurable

for all concerned.  With Thanks!



P.S.Does anyone know of a nuturally-based bactericidal hand soap?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Defense against Gastroenteritis and Giardia at Camps

From: Roses9652@aol.com

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:18:24 EST

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In the past, I thought someone suggested adding grafefruit seed extract to 

the water prior to drinking or using...Can someone clarify, or discuss that?  

Rosemary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Defense against Gastroenteritis and Giardia at Camps

From: "Ken" <drkcs@direct.ca>

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:10:07 -0800

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Rosemary,

    True enough that you can add grapefruit seed extract to water or take it

in pill form to prevent giardia and many other "parasites" that live in the

water, or to take after or before drinking to prevent or get rid of them.

It is a fairly strong herb as it is, but may not be the best thing for some

strains of bacteria and viruses that live, or breed in waterways. A safer

way to go would be to boil the water first and add the G.S.E. after just to

be sure.

Good Luck!

Ken



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Defense against Gastroenteritis and Giardia at Camps

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:26:50 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Ken" <drkcs@direct.ca> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>    True enough that you can add grapefruit seed extract to water or take it

>in pill form to prevent giardia and many other "parasites" that live in the

>water, or to take after or before drinking to prevent or get rid of them.

>It is a fairly strong herb as it is, but may not be the best thing for some



Grapefruit seed extract is -not- an herb. No more than, say, aspirin.



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: absorption through the skin (was urinary tract infection)

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:07:10 EST

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>  Well, I did consult my anatomy texts and grad school notes, and I'm still

>  not convinced that the skin isn't permeable to substances.  Until it is

>  "proven" otherwise, I will continue to believe that components of herbs and

>  essential oils are absorbed through the skin.



Amy, science may indicate some general rules about absorption of substances

through the skin, but I know that when I apply lotions, salves, etc they

vanish after a few minutes and that means "absorption" ...not evaporation.

Simple logic by what we can observe ourselves leads me to believe it is 

correct to view the skin as a means to gain systemic access. 



Elliot



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: absorption through the skin (was urinary tract infection)

From: "JILL SIMMS-YINGLING" <jtsy10@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:33:06 GMT

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FYI...this test impressed upon me the potential impact of contaminates in 

our environment more than anything.



FIRST BE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER HAS NO SENSITIVITY TO 

GARLIC.



l.  Someday when you don't have anything else to do (yeah right) squish (A 

SMALL AMOUNT)of fresh garlic.



2.  Put (A SMALL AMOUNT) of the garlic onto a bandaid.



3.  Put the bandaid anywhere on the bottom of one of your significant 

other's feet...(great for athletes feet by the way) just be sure the garlic 

and the skin have good contact.



5.  How long before you are able to ascertain garlic on your "SO's" breath?



(You have to be careful messing with the garlic (gloves are best) as any 

garlic odor on your hands will confuse your findings as a little garlic goes 

a LONG WAY))



Doing this test at bedtime is a possibility, but doing it during the day 

best allows you and your SO to monitor and discontinue the test, if any 

sensitivity problems arise.  :-)



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: absorption through the skin (was urinary tract infection)

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:38:37 +0200

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"JILL SIMMS-YINGLING" <jtsy10@hotmail.com> wrote to

herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>2.  Put (A SMALL AMOUNT) of the garlic onto a bandaid.

>

>3.  Put the bandaid anywhere on the bottom of one of your significant 

>other's feet...(great for athletes feet by the way) just be sure the garlic 

>and the skin have good contact.



And don't leave the garlic on your skin for longer than, say 15-20

minutes. Otherwise you'll have blisters.

The same goes for raw onions.



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: absorption through the skin (was urinary tract infection)

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:10:52 EST

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In a message dated 11/14/00 10:39:33 AM Mountain Standard Time, 

hetta@saunalahti.fi writes:



> 

>  And don't leave the garlic on your skin for longer than, say 15-20

>  minutes. Otherwise you'll have blisters.



Maybe.  I've left it on overnight without blisters or any changes except that 

my soles looked a bit pinker.



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: absorption through the skin (was urinary tract infection)

From: "Ken" <drkcs@direct.ca>

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:45:43 -0800

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Hi there,

    I have but only a few short sentences about diffusion through the body's

main organ, better known as the skin.  Ponder on this for a moment and think

of the consequences of such a drastic example.  Lets say that for

"absorbability" that your skin could not get anything through it. Ok. Lets

now take a research scientist and tell him he will be dealing with lethal

viruses or chemical that are easily taken in through the skin.  I would be

the first to don my rubber suit and gloves due to the nature of the beast.

If you don't think that anything can be passed through the skin to the

internal organs try putting your arms in formaldehyde up to your elbows and

tell me that you don't feel like the end is nearing very soon.  I have a

friend in the hospital that works in a dermatology lab, you would be

surprised at how easy things can have uptake within a cellular level in our

"skin".  It is also extremely well scientifically documented that the skin

passes both ways; garbage out, nutrients in. Pretty harsh examples yes, but

the point is on a nuclear level our body has very little resistance to the

external environment, leathery or not.



Ken



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: absorption through the skin

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:19:57 EST

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>  And don't leave the garlic on your skin for longer than, say 15-20

>  minutes. Otherwise you'll have blisters.

>  The same goes for raw onions.



That sounds like why the bottom of the feet is the best site for topical 

garlic 

application ...and other potential vesicants.



Elliot



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: absorption through the skin

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:57:06 +0200

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Elfreem@aol.com wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>>  And don't leave the garlic on your skin for longer than, say 15-20

>>  minutes. Otherwise you'll have blisters.

>>  The same goes for raw onions.

>

>That sounds like why the bottom of the feet is the best site for topical 

>garlic 

>application ...and other potential vesicants.



To lower a fever you take a clove of garlic, slice it in two, and wipe

the slice over the soles of your feet. _That_ won't blister. If you

leave it on, it'll blister.



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Broken bone in foot

From: "Miikkali Leppihalme" <leppihalme@quartal.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:53:48 +0200

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A close one of mine had a bit of an accident. He hit his foot

hard on an iron bar. The injury is on the left ankle. There's no

swelling, only sharp pain. Walking is very difficult. I think

it's a bone fracture. The pain comes from a bone that goes

diagonally from fibula towards the little toe. (Darn it, I'm not

too familiar with the bone structure of the foot. I hope you get

the picture.)

   He's ~23 years old, ~185cm tall, of normal weight and in a

very good physical condition (other than the ankle).

   I have a strong comfrey-calendula salve and I gave it to him.

I'd like to give him comfrey internally but I have used all my

comfrey making that salve and I can't buy it anywhere. (It's

illegal in Finland, you know the Legend of Pyrrolizidine

Alkaloids. *yawn*) So, comfrey internally is out of the question.

   He's taking ginseng as a general tonic to strengthen the body

and speed up recovery. I think he's taking calcium supplements,

too.

   He hasn't showed the foot to an MD and he won't if he can help

it. In the local healthcare center he has seen only indifference

towards the medical profession and hostility towards the

patients.



It's three days now from the injury. At first walking was

impossible, but yesterday night he was able to "walk" a few

metres to go to sauna. So, it's slowly getting better.



Any suggestions on how to help him would be welcome.



Thank you for your attention.



-

M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Broken bone in foot

From: Christa-Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:19:00 -0600

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Boneset ( Eupatorium perfoliatum) is what the Natives ( Odawa, great

Lakes Indians) use here internally as a tea.

No idea about the availability in Finland.

Another thing the natives did was to take several whole eggs in the

shell to dissolve them in vinegar and have a person sip daily a bit of

it while the break heals.

Comfrey was used externally by soaking the dried whole leaves,

reconstituting them and using them as a kind of 'bandage'. They used

baer grease underneath, suppose lard would be just as well, for

comfreyleaves  can be irratating ot some, especially elder people with

thin skin.

I have used comfrey poultices for a sprained ankle with much success.

Boneset has worked for a friend of mine , who broke both arms when

skating with great success.

good luck,

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Broken bone in foot

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:18:35 EST

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In a message dated 11/16/00 5:57:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, 

leppihalme@quartal.com writes:



<< He hasn't showed the foot to an MD and he won't if he can help

 it. In the local healthcare center he has seen only indifference

 towards the medical profession and hostility towards the

 patients.

  >>



I ADD:  Often we do "use" the medical community for a good diagnosis, so he 

may want to re-evaluate having someone look at his foot.



I have used Boneset (Eupatorium perfoliatum)here for lots of broken bones and 

it has helped them to knit back very nicely.



In health -

Mary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Broken bone in foot

From: "NIAMH MCGINLEY" <niamh@nmcginley.fsnet.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:41:22 -0000

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Christa's advice is excellant.



He can always go and have his foot set properly, then drill a hole above the

the injury (slow moving hand tool!) and pour some good Q comfrey oil in and

do a Ca/Si tea.



Pluralism, yes?



Niamh



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Broken bone in foot

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 08:02:52 +0200

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"NIAMH MCGINLEY" <niamh@nmcginley.fsnet.co.uk> wrote to

herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>Christa's advice is excellant.

>

>He can always go and have his foot set properly, then drill a hole above the

>the injury (slow moving hand tool!) and pour some good Q comfrey oil in and

>do a Ca/Si tea.



You forgot to mention that you'd drill the -cast-.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: Broken bone in foot

From: "Gardenthyme Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:06:47 -0500

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Thanks for that clarification, I was winching!



Dee

"The Gardenthyme Lady"



>Christa's advice is excellant.

>

>He can always go and have his foot set properly, then drill a hole above

the

>the injury (slow moving hand tool!) and pour some good Q comfrey oil in and

>do a Ca/Si tea.



You forgot to mention that you'd drill the -cast-.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Broken bone in foot

From: cadfile@juno.com

Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 21:34:34 +0000

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> do a Ca/Si tea.

> 

> Niamh

>How do you make Calcium/Silicon tea??



Stan

"Cadfile"

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Broken bone in foot

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:54:25 -0500 (EST)

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>How do you make Calcium/Silicon tea??



Presumably with horsetail, maybe alfalfa, and other calcium and silicon herbs.

I would add Hibiscus sabdariffa for acidity, or other acid herb or fruit.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: more about hops

From: thimbleberry@juno.com

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:24:12 -0600

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A question about what to do with hops was posed

here a while ago.



In my experiments with it a few years ago I had

found that hops tincture was very good at

calming an agitated state.



Its smoke is too harsh to be useful, and an

infusion doesn't capture all those oily

constituents that are where the "action" is.



So, I tried eating some, and found that even

a few teaspoons have a significant effect.

Also, it is actually simpler to take than the

infusion.  (Keep it away from the tongue, though,

or else it gets some of that hops dermatitis.)



(The relaxed state it gives is a bit dreamy,

though, as opposed to the stimulant/relaxant

effect of catnip, which I prefer.)



Thimbleberry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: broken bone

From: "plantpeople" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:26:11 -0500

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>    He hasn't showed the foot to an MD and he won't if he can help

> it. In the local healthcare center he has seen only indifference

> towards the medical profession and hostility towards the

> patients.



I broke my finger about 6 years ago, and couldn't afford to get it looked

at.  It was broken, and was never set right.  Can't close the finger shut

anymore, aches when it rains, and my dream of being a concert pianist has

gone right out the window :-)



Who cares if they are indifferent?  They are usually good at setting a bone.

Put up with the hostility for a few hours as opposed to a possible lifetime

of limping.  I would get it checked out and reset if needed.



Meanwhile, I have used both boneset and comfrey for healing bones.  They are

effective, but a combination of equal parts alfalfa, horsetail and nettles

would be more effective for rapid bone healing - also flavor is better than

boneset....( no small consideration if you have ever tasted boneset.)  In

this blend you are getting abundant Ca, Mg, trace minerals and most

importantly silica, which is essential for rapid bone healing.

If you do not have access to the horsetail, can substitute 2 parts oatstraw.

Is best to soften a rounded tsp of powdered blend in a Tb or two of water

and take QID... or take four 00 capsules QID with water.  Tea will not do as

is the mineral content you seek, neither will tincture.

Good luck



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Herb for Bone Fracture

From: "Nadeem A. Chandna" <chandna@digicom.net.pk>

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 01:18:13 +0500

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Hi,



Any one know about SILAJEET for fractured bone ?



Or any other herb to augment bone calcification ?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herb for Bone Fracture

From: Roses9652@aol.com

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:03:21 EST

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Karen, from New York?:  Can you repeat your post on use of oatstraw made into 

a tea for bone fractures/osteoporosis?  You had also suggested infusing a 

bone in vinegar or another liquid...to take by teaspoon to make the bones 

stronger.  Rosemary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herb for Bone Fracture

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:32:38 -0500

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Overnight Infusion of Oatstraw:



Boil one quart water.  Add 1 ounce oatstraw with heads in the milky stage

which you can mix with up to 20% with horsetail.  You can decoct them for

additional minerals (in which case add a little more water to replace the

steam).  Cover and infuse overnight.  Strain in the morning.  Alfalfa,

nettles or red clover may be combined.



Vinegar infused with oatstraw, nettles, bone from organic sources or

other herbs can be made like tinctures at 1 part herb to 5 parts vinegar.

 They tend to be a bit cloudy after macerating because of the minerals

suspended in the vinegar.  Shake up before using.



Karen Vaughan

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herb for Bone Fracture

From: Roses9652@aol.com

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:49:50 EST

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Karen:  At Frontier, they have oatstraw, green tops, cut, and sifted.  Will 

that work, as well, or not?  Rosemary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herb for Bone Fracture

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:36:01 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



The Frontier oatstraw works fine.  There is better quality available from

small growers though.  If I have to reserve the better stuff, I use it

for nervines and use the Frontier for the more nutritional uses.

 

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herb for Bone Fracture

From: "J Clarke & K Luskey" <jclarke2@uswest.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:55:26 -0600

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What about comfrey leaf?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: hops replacement in formula

From: "Renee Amonette" <rja86@webtv.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:20:53 -0500

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Hi, I want to make a tincture I found the recipe for. It has Valerian, Passionflower, hops, chamomile and catnip.  I found that hops give me a diuretic effect, and need to find a replacement for them in this recipe of equal parts.  Any suggestions for something strong that might goe in it?

Thanks,

Renee



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: hops replacement in formula

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:37:41 +0200

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"Renee Amonette" <rja86@webtv.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>Sent to the herblist by Renee Amonette <rja86@webtv.net> :

>

>Hi, I want to make a tincture I found the recipe for. It has Valerian, Passionflower, hops, chamomile and catnip.  I found that hops give me a diuretic effect, and need to find a replacement for them in this recipe of equal parts.  Any suggestions for something strong that might goe in it?



Why not just leave it out?



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: hops replacement in formula

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:48:41 EST

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In a message dated 11/18/00 2:22:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, rja86@webtv.net 

writes:



<< Hi, I want to make a tincture I found the recipe for. It has Valerian, 

Passionflower, hops, chamomile and catnip.  I found that hops give me a 

diuretic effect, and need to find a replacement for them in this recipe of 

equal parts.  Any suggestions for something strong that might goe in it?

 Thanks,

 Renee >>



Hi Renee -



The first thing I do when reading someone else's formula is to look at each 

herb and try to discern why it's in there.  In this formula, with these 

herbs, it appears hops is added in for relaxing and sedation.  Your valerian 

and passionflower can do that very well, so I'd leave it out.  Also I see too 

many formulas nowadays which I consider to be over-done in the interest of 

sales.  My feeling is the simpler the better.  



In health -

Mary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: looking for neosporin clone

From: "Renee Amonette" <rja86@webtv.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:23:03 -0500

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I am looking for an antibiotic ointment for scrapes, cuts, abrasions, etc.  Any suggestions?

Thank you and happy holidays to you all.

Renee



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: looking for neosporin clone

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:40:00 +0200

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"Renee Amonette" <rja86@webtv.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>I am looking for an antibiotic ointment for scrapes, cuts, abrasions, etc.  Any suggestions?

>Thank you and happy holidays to you all.



I make a salve with calendula (helps heal), meadowsweet (for pain) (use

poplar buds if you can't get meadowsweet) and St. John's wort (reduces

swelling). It's gone through several namechanges, and the Finns on the

list will appreciate them: "The Gardener's salve", "Hupsquncadun", and

"Mukkelis makkelis".



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: looking for neosporin clone

From: Christa-Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:34:47 -0600

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Renee,

 I make a salve out of comfrey, plantain, infused calendula  and Saint

John's Wort oil. to which I add beeswax and some tee treeoil. Works good

for us.

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: looking for neosporin clone

From: "J Clarke & K Luskey" <jclarke2@uswest.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:13:03 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :



I also make a salve, made out of calendula, comfrey leaf, chickweed,

chamomile, plaintain and lavender, in an olive oil and beeswax base. Works

GREAT for cuts, scrapes and minor topical infections, and the lavender makes

it smell really well, too.



Kerry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.KerrysHerbals.com

Miracle Salve, herbal tinctures, essential oils and more!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: looking for neosporin clone

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:56:55 -0500

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Renee Amonette wrote:



> I am looking for an antibiotic ointment for scrapes, cuts, abrasions, etc.  Any suggestions?



I use plain tea tree oil for anything I used to use antibiotic ointments for.  It works at least

as well.  I've had cat scratches that were starting to get infected (and believe me, you don't

want cat scratch disease; when my son had it, the glands under his jaw were literally the size

of lemons) and the tea tree oil took care of them in a day or so.  It's wonderful stuff.



May

--

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catching a child and removing their eyes--now *that's* the hard part."     - Charles Gulledge



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: looking for neosporin clone

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:12:44 EST

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In a message dated 11/18/00 1:24:28 PM, rja86@webtv.net writes:



<< I am looking for an antibiotic ointment for scrapes, cuts, abrasions, etc. 

 Any suggestions?

Thank you and happy holidays to you all.

Renee >>



try Tee Tree Therapy Antiseptic Cream (18009904221) nci.

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: creams

From: "LJS Doody" <ldoody@internetcds.com>

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:32:44 -0800

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would anyone like to share their sucessful cream making hints?

i have made sucessful salves, but never a satisfactory cream, i suspect that

it is because i am not prepared to use any 'nasties' to get that fine fluffy

texture...

i have just bought some liquid lecethin to try out, as suggested to me by

another unhappy cream maker.

my 6 year old has just made her first tincture [aesculus] and wants to put

it in a cream when it is ready, so i need a good sucess story! :)

thanks



Lizzie Doody

ldoody@internetcds.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: creams

From: "Elizabeth Scotten" <bek@islanderis.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:27:05 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Elizabeth Scotten <bek@islanderis.net> :



> Sent to the herblist by LJS Doody <ldoody@internetcds.com> :

> 

> would anyone like to share their sucessful cream making hints?



I always think of the process as being similar to making a mayonais or

hollandaise.  Try melting down your salve, put in a bowl and slowly drizzle

in your tea or hydrosol of choice and beat furiously while drizzling. I have

great luck with 2 parts oil/wax mixture to 1 part 'waters'. i also use an

electric hand mixer. the cream always turns out soft and fluffy without any

nasty artificial ingredients.



Good Luck!



Elizabeth Scotten

Timeless Remedies for Earthly Existence

bek@islanderis.net



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: creams

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:08:14 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Elizabeth Scotten" <bek@islanderis.net> wrote to

herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>> Sent to the herblist by LJS Doody <ldoody@internetcds.com> :

>> would anyone like to share their sucessful cream making hints?

>

>I always think of the process as being similar to making a mayonais or

>hollandaise.  Try melting down your salve, put in a bowl and slowly drizzle

>in your tea or hydrosol of choice and beat furiously while drizzling. I have

>great luck with 2 parts oil/wax mixture to 1 part 'waters'. i also use an

>electric hand mixer. the cream always turns out soft and fluffy without any

>nasty artificial ingredients.



Sure, it's easy to -make- creams. You need chemicals to get them to

-keep- though. And if you freeze them they're likely to separate.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: creams

From: mango <j.kolling@chello.nl>

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 01:18:08 +0100

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> Sure, it's easy to -make- creams. You need chemicals to get them to

> -keep- though. And if you freeze them they're likely to separate.



Ascorbic acid? (a.k.a Vitamin C)



Chrs,

 Mango (just handing out possible solutions...)



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: creams

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:21:06 +0200

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mango <j.kolling@chello.nl> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>> Sure, it's easy to -make- creams. You need chemicals to get them to

>> -keep- though. And if you freeze them they're likely to separate.

>

>Ascorbic acid? (a.k.a Vitamin C)



Can't use watersoluble vitamins in fats. That's why people use vit. E, that

one's fat soluble.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: creams

From: "Elizabeth Scotten" <bek@islanderis.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:20:44 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Elizabeth Scotten <bek@islanderis.net> :



> 

> Sure, it's easy to -make- creams. You need chemicals to get them to

> -keep- though. And if you freeze them they're likely to separate.



I've never had that problem. Maybe i'm lucky? Most of my creams get used

quickly but i still have a few jars that are just fine a year later. Maybe

it's the Balm of Gilead that i always add for analgesic, anti-microbial and

anti bacterial properties?



Elizabeth Scotten

bek@islanderis.net



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: creams

From: Christa-Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:24:34 -0600

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Balm of Gilead is a fine thing to use...C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: creams

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:01:14 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Elizabeth Scotten" <bek@islanderis.net> wrote to

herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>> Sure, it's easy to -make- creams. You need chemicals to get them to

>> -keep- though. And if you freeze them they're likely to separate.

>

>I've never had that problem. Maybe i'm lucky? Most of my creams get used

>quickly but i still have a few jars that are just fine a year later. Maybe

>it's the Balm of Gilead that i always add for analgesic, anti-microbial and

>anti bacterial properties?



Right. Which balm of gilead (poplar buds, or the resin?), in what form,

and how much? Ie., I'd appreciate a full recipe.



And sent to the herblist by herbgrow30@aol.com :

>Just drizzle in some liquid vitamin E and it'll do the trick.  I also add 

>some liquid aloe to a lot of my creams

>-Mary



Ditto.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: creams

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:12:50 EST

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In a message dated 11/19/00 8:39:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, 

j.kolling@chello.nl writes:



<<  Sure, it's easy to -make- creams. You need chemicals to get them to

 > -keep- though. And if you freeze them they're likely to separate.

 

 Ascorbic acid? (a.k.a Vitamin C)

 

 Chrs,

  Mango (just handing out possible solutions...)

  >>



Just drizzle in some liquid vitamin E and it'll do the trick.  I also add 

some liquid aloe to a lot of my creams

-Mary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: creams

From: "Elizabeth Scotten" <bek@islanderis.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:04:15 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Elizabeth Scotten <bek@islanderis.net> :



> Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



>>I've never had that problem. Maybe i'm lucky? Most of my creams get used

>>quickly but i still have a few jars that are just fine a year later. Maybe

>>it's the Balm of Gilead that i always add for analgesic, anti-microbial and

>>anti bacterial properties?

>

> Right. Which balm of gilead (poplar buds, or the resin?), in what form,

> and how much? Ie., I'd appreciate a full recipe.



Poplar buds. When i am infusing my oils i usually add some of the buds to

most of my recipes. The amount depends on what i am making, but in my usual

cream base oil i start with about 2 handfuls of the buds, then approximately

2 oz. callendula blossoms, 2 oz. comfrey, 2 oz. plantain and 2 oz. arnica

flowers (all dried). Then i put everything in a crock pot and cover with

olive oil and let simmer for several days in my oven with the pilot light

heat (i have a really warm, really old gas oven) I usually get a little more

than 1/2 a gallon of oil out of this when i'm done. I then add about 2 cups

St. Johnswort infused (fresh bud infusion) oil and 1 cup wheatgerm oil with

vitamin e.



To make the cream, i use 4 cups of the base oil and melt 4 oz beeswax into

it, then drizzle about 1 and 1/2 cups hydrosol (i have been using lavender)

into it, while beating with an electric hand mixer. This turns out nice and

fluffy for me, and the blend gets rave reviews for rashes, scrapes, scars,

burns and rough chapped hands. One farming friend of mine uses it for her

goats' teats and says "it's better than Bag Balm" - a happy endorsement if i

ever heard one!



Hope this is what your looking for. I do a lot of 'playing' and have finally

forced myself to write things down while i experiment.



Blessings! bek



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: creams

From: "LJS Doody" <ldoody@internetcds.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:41:59 -0800

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i read about benzoin in powdered form for creams, but cant find the

information now, can anyone enlighten me?



what proportion of cold infused symphytum rad. would you put in a cream?



thanks everyone for all the cream tips, i made my first batch today with

calendula and hypericum tincture in it, and it is nice and creamy too. it

smells good enough to eat!



... the colour is not very attractive, so thats why they use dark glass

<smile>



Lizzie Doody

ldoody@internetcds.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: blackberries

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:18:48 EST

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the current readings on elderberries for influenza is very convincing....and 

they taste good too!  But if we are not able to get elderberries, I've read 

that blackberries are just as good.  Any thoughts on this?  

Can anyone give a good recipe for blackberry brandy - for medicinal purposes 

- of course!

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blackberries

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:44:38 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Herbmednurse@aol.com wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>Sent to the herblist by herbmednurse@aol.com :

>

>the current readings on elderberries for influenza is very convincing....and 

>they taste good too!  But if we are not able to get elderberries, I've read 

>that blackberries are just as good.  Any thoughts on this?  



Sure, it works. As does black currant (which is what we use here).



>Can anyone give a good recipe for blackberry brandy - for medicinal purposes 



If you do it the Lapland way you wave a blackberry at your bottle,

label, and serve. (Just kidding.)



A generic recipe: fill a jar with berries, add some sugar, cover with

brandy, close lid, let sit for a month or three, strain, bottle.



Do a websearch for "blackberry brandy recipe" or "blackberry cordial",

that'll give you lots of recipes, too. As will a search for just

"cordial recipe". (I like google.com). Just like checking an

encyclopedia, there's fascinating facts everywhere. 



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: blackberries

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:22:49 EST

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In a message dated 11/19/00 3:45:13 AM, hetta@saunalahti.fi writes:



<< Do a websearch for "blackberry brandy recipe" or "blackberry cordial",

that'll give you lots of recipes, too. As will a search for just

"cordial recipe". (I like google.com). Just like checking an

encyclopedia, there's fascinating facts everywhere. 

 >>



thanks, Henriette.....I'd like to try some right about now for my back muscle 

spasms....purely medicinal, of course!

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Skin Problems

From: "Connie Anderson" <cmdrkonstanze@turbonet.com>

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:04:42 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Connie Anderson <cmdrkonstanze@turbonet.com> :



Couple questions, both dealing with the skin.



I burned my wrist today (small blister), and am looking for

suggestions both for pain relief and fast healing.  Also, I'm having

problems with acne; not bad acne, but fairly persistent, and worse

during my period. I'd like suggestions on how to clear up what I have

and hopefully lessen the frequency of outbreaks.



I'm open to either internal or external remedies.



Thanks,



Connie



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: Skin Problems

From: "Miikkali Leppihalme" <leppihalme@quartal.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:22:26 +0200

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Connie Anderson wrote:

>

> I burned my wrist today (small blister), and am

> looking for suggestions both for pain relief and

> fast healing.



I've used calendula (C. officinalis) for small burns and wounds.

Works beautifully. I use a salve I've made myself, but you should

find some kind of a calendula salve in any health food store.

Plantain (Plantago sp.) is my choice for blisters. Pain relief?

Meadowsweet (Filipendula ulmaria) should do it, thinksme. If you

can get your hands on a salve with all these three herbs, all the

better.



> Also, I'm having problems with acne; not bad acne,

> but fairly persistent, and worse during my period.



While you search for the reason what's causing the acne, try tea

tree oil topically.



-

M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Skin Problems

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:03:05 -0500

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 Couple questions, both dealing with the skin. 

> I burned my wrist today (small blister), and am looking for

> suggestions both for pain relief and fast healing.  



If it is second degree or worse, a trip to the hospital for silvadene

would be the best, imho. ( They will also take your temperature at the ER

to make sure you don't have an infection underneath)

However, Paul <piannone@mediaone.net> before he was unsubbed for email

rudeness used to suggest homeopathic hypericum pullules ( like pills) by

mouth and hypericum ointment, also homeopathic, for burns. Aloe Vera gel

and vitamin E oil are also helpful topicals.  Icepacks tied into a fabric

tubing of some sort, so that you can get away from leaning against the

sink, while you soak your wrist in cold water, is another possibility. 

You might get your topicals under a dressing first.

Marcia



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Skin Problems

From: "Sweet Prairie Soap Co." <jans@rnet.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:24:13 -0600

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Connie,

 IN our house we use Lavender EO straight from the bottle for burns. Works

very quickly to reduce heat of a burn and the pain. Also promotes fast

healing. Salves and ointments should not be put on until the heat has left

the site, heavy dressing hold the heat in.

 Plantain is fantastic for burns, as well as calendula and yarrow promotes

fast wound healing.

HTH,

Jan S

www.sweetprairiesoap.com

Herb Garden Delights,

Soaps & Sundries made Right!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Skin Problems

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:13:21 -0500

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<While you search for the reason what's causing the acne, try tea

tree oil topically>.



Or make a thick masque of clay mixed with echinacea tincture (preferably

low alcohol for topical use).  Let dry and pull out impurities.  I'd also

look at alteratives and something for the liver orally.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

"The unfortunate thing about this world is that the good habits are much

easier to give up than the bad ones."  W. Somerset Maugham



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Cholesterol, was Herbal Isoflavones, now red yeast

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:19:51 -0500 (EST)

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from Karen Vaughan:



>Red rice containing red yeast, Monascus purpureus Went, is available in

>Chinese grocery stores.



Do you or anybody else know how this red yeast, which looks like red rice, is

prepared, how it is used in cooking?  Chinese-speaking people in Chinese grocery

store couldn't speak English well enough to answer me understandably, and I

don't know Chinese at all.



Under what circumstances should one use or not use red rice/yeast?  



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Cholesterol, was Herbal Isoflavones, now red yeast

From: "Cylise Anderson" <cylise@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:05:54 CST

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Sent to the herblist by cylise@hotmail.com :



>from Karen Vaughan:

>

> >Red rice containing red yeast, Monascus purpureus Went, is available in

> >Chinese grocery stores.

>

>Do you or anybody else know how this red yeast, which looks like red rice, 

>is

>prepared, how it is used in cooking?  Chinese-speaking people in Chinese 

>grocery

>store couldn't speak English well enough to answer me understandably, and I

>don't know Chinese at all.

>

>Under what circumstances should one use or not use red rice/yeast?



Supposedly you should not use if if you have liver problems (the pure 

extract that's used in allopathic meds raises liver enzymnes) or if you're 

on blood thinners, which probably has to do with the way it increases blood 

circulation (my ears are nice and warm now and, mostly, my feet are, too.).  

I use it for cholesterol.  I was at 246 and my doctor was talking about 

'treating' it.  So in my research, I fell over red rice yeast.  Tried it for 

a couple of weeks and really like that warm all over feeling.  In addtition 

to enjoying seeing my cholesterol plummet to 189 with 48 of that being HDL.  

I doubt it'd work that well for everyone, but it's great for me.  I think I 

might be losing a bit of weight, too, but I'm an optomist about that, as 

many years of slightly too small swim suits proves.



Unfortunately I cannot give you URLs to any of what I found, as I wandered 

around a lot and stopped saving information when paper after paper said 

almost exactly the same thing.



One fun thing I found was when the pharmecutical manufacturers of the 

allopathic prescription med and the FDA got together and shot themselves in 

the foot over this one.  Tried to have it banned from the country on the 

grounds that it was a medicine and* that it interferred with the 

manufacturers profits.

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Cholesterol, was Herbal Isoflavones, now red yeast

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:10:09 -0500

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I know that red rice is used to make the ducks red (the ones you see

hanging in the Chinese butcher's windows.)  But I don't have recipies. 

Try cooking some like rice and see if you need to do more to make it

palatable.  Probably is contraindicated for someone with candida.



Karen Vaughan

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Oatstraw

From: sustras@attglobal.net

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:16:15 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Susan Strasser <sustras@attglobal.net> :



Karen (or somebody else) -- Can you recommend a small grower for oatstraw?  I just got some from

Frontier and thought the quality was *awful* -- not very green at all, not many seeds, very many

stems.



Thanks, Susie Strasser



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Oatstraw

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@peacock.bigsky.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:28:01 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by 2 <honthaas@email.bigsky.net> :



I have not found a good quality oat straw from a commercial grower.

Soluion: Grow your own. It is so easy you will never want to buy it again.



- Can you recommend a small grower for oatstraw?  I



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Oatstraw

From: october moon <oct-moon@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:50:52 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by october moon <oct-moon@juno.com> :



On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:28:01 -0700 Veronica Honthaas

<honthaas@email.bigsky.net> writes:



> 

> I have not found a good quality oat straw from a commercial grower.

> Soluion: Grow your own. It is so easy you will never want to buy it 

> again.



I buy my oat _tops_ from JeansGreens.com  (NCI) but they are 2 dollars an

ounce or more...

are you telling me I can plant these??



It is not what we do, but also what we do not do, for which we are

accountable. -Moliere, actor and playwright (1622-1673)



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Oatstraw

From: Joan Russell <joanr@mindlink.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:31:09 -0800

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october moon wrote:

> I buy my oat _tops_ from JeansGreens.com  (NCI) but they are 2 dollars an

> ounce or more...

> are you telling me I can plant these??



Absolutely!  I use ordinary oats - Avena sativa - grows like a weed

here.   I just broadcast the seed thickly over the area ...you don't

really need more than approx.3 ft x 3 ft. for more than enough for your

own personal use.  Then you can harvest and dry it just at the optimum

time...I found it hard to cut it as it is 1-2ft. tall including the

seeds so I use a paper cutter and cut it into 2 inch pieces.  Then I use

a blender just before I infuse the oatstraw along with other herbs (red

clover, alfalfa, etc).  Oatstraw has to be my favorite herb these days.........................Joan

  

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Oatstraw

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@peacock.bigsky.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:26:08 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by 2 <honthaas@email.bigsky.net> :



Yes:  you can go to the health food store and buy organic oats (I just go

to the barn and get a bucket of hoarse oats) and throw them out in the

garden in  a spot you have tilled up.  You can also grow them in a large

planter. I harvest mine when they are still green and the oats upripe

(milky stage). I know a number of hebals recommend just the dry straw left

over after harvesting the fields, but I like the nice green oat straw.  iI

have a neighbors (they are on this list) who mulch the isles of their

garden with oat straw and then don't have to plant anything, they just

havest oat straw from inbetween the rows!

Just be sure to dry very well before storing.



>

>I buy my oat _tops_ from JeansGreens.com  (NCI) but they are 2 dollars an

>ounce or more...

>are you telling me I can plant these??

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Oatstraw

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:26:58 -0500

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I suggest Matthias Reissen from Healing Arts(?)  - maybe someone has his

number.  I've bottled all of my stock from him.  All heads, picked at the

peak milky state.



Don't throw out the Frontier stuff if you aren't returning it.  I

wouldn't use it as a nervine, but if you boil it  longer and use somewhat

more you can get mineral content out for osteoporosis, etc.  Alvita's

oatstraw is nothing but the straw- no heads at all.



You can't plant the heads from Matthias or Jeans' Greens.  They are

harvested in the milky stage which is too early to germinate.  Just get

oat seed from Johnny's Selected Seeds or a local feed store.  (They're

selling Thanksgiving wreaths made with oats here- which could be planted

after the holidays.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Oatstraw

From: "LJS Doody" <ldoody@internetcds.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:53:45 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by LJS Doody <ldoody@internetcds.com> :



are the schoenberger plant juices available in the U.S. ?? that is a great

oaty source!



Lizzie Doody

ldoody@internetcds.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Oatstraw

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:10:10 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



sustras@attglobal.net wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>Karen (or somebody else) -- Can you recommend a small grower for oatstraw?  I just got some from

>Frontier and thought the quality was *awful* -- not very green at all, not many seeds, very many

>stems.



Oatstraw is -supposed- to be stems. If you pick your own, after using

the seeds for tincture, your dried stems will be light green. Lots of

minerals. Chop them up before you put them into a jar, otherwise they'll

just sit in that jar. (This is the voice of experience...)



The seeds are another remedy, and best picked and tinctured in the milky

seed stage. Fresh is best as the latex that is the "milk" loses lots of

efficacy in drying. Good nervine. I wouldn't buy dried oatseed, at all.

Picture of milky seed stage online on my side; go for "Avena".



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Oatstraw

From: Pamela Quayle <herbgatherer@snet.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:36:32 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by herbgatherer@snet.net :



Henriette Kress wrote:



> The seeds are another remedy, and best picked and tinctured in the milky

> seed stage. Fresh is best as the latex that is the "milk" loses lots of

> efficacy in drying. Good nervine. I wouldn't buy dried oatseed, at all.



Do you think then that the oatstraw is a better remedy after being dried than the dried tops?  I grow

and gather my own and always tincture, vinegar and dry the tops while feeding the straw to the

compost pile or using it as mulch.  Hadn't even throught about it being more efficient after drying

than the tops.  Which do you think has the most minerals for vinegar?



pamela



>

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Oatstraw

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:12:12 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Pamela Quayle <herbgatherer@snet.net> wrote to

herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>Henriette Kress wrote:

>> The seeds are another remedy, and best picked and tinctured in the milky

>> seed stage. Fresh is best as the latex that is the "milk" loses lots of

>> efficacy in drying. Good nervine. I wouldn't buy dried oatseed, at all.

>

>Do you think then that the oatstraw is a better remedy after being dried than the dried tops?  I grow

>and gather my own and always tincture, vinegar and dry the tops while feeding the straw to the

>compost pile or using it as mulch.  Hadn't even throught about it being more efficient after drying

>than the tops.  Which do you think has the most minerals for vinegar?



There isn't much left of oat tops after tincturing the milky seeds.

Nothing to dry, so to speak. It's not as pretty as nice green chopped-up

stalks with leaf, either.



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Maca

From: "Cindy Lee" <texasbluebonnets@home.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:10:11 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Cindy Lee <texasbluebonnets@home.com> :



can you tell me if you have ever heard of a Peruvian herb for sexual

problems called Maca?

I hear it can be used for men and women, and may help with some menopausal

symptoms, but my husband brought it home for himself. Are there any known

sideffects to this herb such as high blood pressure?



thanks so much for any help you can give me.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Maca

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:41:24 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by macphee@net1plus.com :



Cindy...do a search on Google.com or another search engine using the Latin

names,

Lepidium peruvianum or Lepidium meyenii



the local Lepidium species are the peppergrasses, peppercresses..

often hot peppery spicy tasting weeds in the mustard family.



There is talk of this plant becoming endangered in Peru and thereabouts...



random (largely commercial nci)sites to go to and read more...there are more

questions than answers for me to make a judgement...



http://www.rain-tree.com/maca.htm



http://herbsforhealth.about.com/health/herbsforhealth/library/weekly/aa12219

9.htm



http://www.all-about-menopause.com/cerro_de_pasco.htm



http://www.herbmed.org/herbs/Lepidium_meyenii1.htm#cont



http://www.macaman.com/science.html



http://www.all-about-menopause.com/an_overview_of_popular_herbal_me.htm#Maca

from this site - No adverse effects are known. It is recommended that the

herb be used for 4-6 weeks at a time with 2-4 weeks off. This prevents over

stimulation of the adrenals.

Those with hormone related cancers are advised to not use Maca because of

its ability to increase hormone levels. Those with unregulated high blood

pressure should not use Maca.



Joanie



>can you tell me if you have ever heard of a Peruvian herb for sexual

>problems called Maca?

>I hear it can be used for men and women, and may help with some menopausal

>symptoms, but my husband brought it home for himself. Are there any known

>sideffects to this herb such as high blood pressure?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Preservatives for salve

From: "J Clarke & K Luskey" <jclarke2@uswest.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:26:03 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :



Quick intro first - my name is Kerry and I just s*bbed to the list about a

week ago. I make and sell herbal products at home, and I'm thrilled to find

a group of knowledgeable people I can learn from. Most of my learning is

self taught, from books and a lot of trial-and-error.



My question is what you all put in your salves, if anything, to extend shelf

life. I just had a customer complain that her salve has gone rancid. I know

it's good for *about* a year, but climate can definitely affect that.



I've heard of Vitamin E oil, and I'm wondering if anyone knows what ratio of

Vit E to carrier oil would be used. Is it added during the infusion process,

or do you add it at the end, when you're melting the wax? Has anyone used

alcohol (like a tincture)? I've heard of that, but I'm wondering how well

the tincture would blend with an oil? Wouldn't it separate?



Thanks in advance for any ideas or tips you could offer. I use olive oil

(and occasionally, sweet almond oil) as the carrier oil.



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: Preservatives for salve

From: "Miikkali Leppihalme" <leppihalme@quartal.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:16:01 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Miikkali Leppihalme <leppihalme@quartal.com> :



Kerry asked:

> My question is what you all put in your salves,

> if anything, to extend shelf life.



I use cold-pressed oils, usually olive oil. They have

characteristically a high vit E content. I store the oils in room

temperature. Never has my oils or salves gone rancid, but then

again I never make more than one year's supply at a time.



-

M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Preservatives for salve

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:26:35 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Miikkali Leppihalme" <leppihalme@quartal.com> wrote to

herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>Kerry asked:

>> My question is what you all put in your salves,

>> if anything, to extend shelf life.

>

>I use cold-pressed oils, usually olive oil. They have

>characteristically a high vit E content. I store the oils in room

>temperature. Never has my oils or salves gone rancid, but then

>again I never make more than one year's supply at a time.



Ah, Miikkali, we're in Finland. Cold, yes? Not, say, tropically hot,

like for instance, the SW US, Hawaii, or Singapore. Good cold-pressed

oils keep just fine, in room temperature, here. 



Usually, that is.



Salves keep longer if you made them with just -dried- herb, a good oil,

and beeswax. Beeswax stops rancidity for another year or three, but your

salve will mold in no time at all if your herb wasn't dry, or if you

used anything watery in it. If you doubt, add a drop of lavender EO per

ounce of herb, that helps. Or peppermint EO, but don't take any

superstrong EO (like aromatherapists use), take just what you can buy in

your average health food store.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: Preservatives for salve

From: "Miikkali Leppihalme" <leppihalme@quartal.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:36:09 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Miikkali Leppihalme <leppihalme@quartal.com> :



Henriette wrote:

> Salves keep longer if you made them with just -dried-

> herb, a good oil, and beeswax.



Thanks, Henriette, for pointing that out. But I always make my

salves with dried herb, a good oil and beeswax. Don't we all? ;)



> If you doubt, add a drop of lavender EO per

> ounce of herb, that helps.



Actually, I just made a comfrey-calendula salve. I was in quite

of a hurry, so I heated the oil (boiling water bath). I was under

the impression that vit E is destroyed by heat, so I added

lavender EO. It gave the salve a nice aroma, too. Comfrey in

olive oil doesn't smell that pleasing...



-

M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Preservatives for salve

From: "J Clarke & K Luskey" <jclarke2@uswest.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:23:36 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :



but don't take any

> superstrong EO (like aromatherapists use), take just what you can buy in

> your average health food store.

>

> Cheers

> Henriette



EOs are not my milieu, so forgive me if this is a stupid question - but I

thought Pure Essential Oils were Pure Essential Oils. There are different

strengths? How does one know if they have a standard grade or a "super

deluxe" grade?



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Preservatives for salve

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:04:57 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"J Clarke & K Luskey" <jclarke2@uswest.net> wrote to

herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>> but don't take any

>> superstrong EO (like aromatherapists use), take just what you can buy in

>> your average health food store.

>

>EOs are not my milieu, so forgive me if this is a stupid question - but I

>thought Pure Essential Oils were Pure Essential Oils. There are different

>strengths? How does one know if they have a standard grade or a "super

>deluxe" grade?



There are several grades of peppermint EO, depending on origin (Japanese

peppermint oil comes from a Mentha sp. with lots of menthol that isn't a

Mentha x piperita), plant part used, fresh or dry, extraction method,

and the honesty of manufacturer. This is true for a lot of EOs.



Your average health food store is -very- unlikely to stock high quality

EOs, as they are more expensive than "normal" EOs. Of which some aren't

what's on the label, but synthetic compounds or cheaper substitutes ...

the most famous being oil of wintergreen, which is usually either

straight methyl salicylate or oil of birch.



Your average aromatherapist, on the other hand, knows just where to get

the good grades, and the real oils.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: antispasmotic tincture needed please

From: "Renee Amonette" <rja86@webtv.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:00:17 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Renee Amonette <rja86@webtv.net> :



Hi, I have Interstitial Cystitis,(bladder disease) one the the symptoms is a spastic bladder, frequence, urgency.  I get up about 8xs/night, regardless of fluid intake bec. bladder nerves are effected. I took myself off of antianxiety and sleep meds for the most part months ago, but am not sleeping, so I want to know if you have any suggestions on a tinture for antispasmotic to take before bed that is strong, and maybe mixed with sleeping herbs too?

Thank you

Rene



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: antispasmotic tincture needed please

From: "JILL SIMMS-YINGLING" <jtsy10@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:17:03 GMT

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Sent to the herblist by jill simms-yingling <jtsy10@hotmail.com> :



Hi Renee:



Was diagnosed with the same horrendously miserable thing 10 years ago.   I 

feel so bad for you because I know the misery you are in and the frustration 

that you are experiencing with your traditional medical treatment.



I went the (unsuccessful) traditional medicine route for about two years 

until I decided if I was going to get any relief I was going to have to 

figure it out on my own.   I now live relatively symptom free.   I say 

"relatively" because any time I have the twinge of a reoccurrence, it is 

because I have indulged or over-indulged in something that exacerbates my 

sensitivity, or I have inadvertently come in contact with a substance that 

does the same.



I will gladly share the result of my experiences with you in an attempt to 

help you identify the "trigger(s)" of your sensitivity, but will only do so 

if you express a genuine  interest as it was a long and tedious journey and 

of course still is a very personal matter.



Jill



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Mullein o.d.?

From: "c. watson" <clawso@swbell.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:48:00 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by c. watson <clawso@swbell.net> :



Found a friend has been drinking six to eight cups a day of dried mullein

leaf tea a day. Friend says it works well in breaking up mucus and u.r.i.

about gone. Any potential problems with this quantity of

mullein intake? I grew it and know it to be relatively stout.



Thank you,



c.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Mullein o.d.?

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:11:10 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



6-8 cups may be a bit strong, but for short term use where this is

helping resolve the problem, it is probably oksy.  She might want to look

at combining the muellin with other herbs to fit the totality of her

symptoms.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

"It is not the clear-sighted who rule the world.  Great achievements are

accomplished in a blessed, warm fog."--Joseph Conrad



>Found a friend has been drinking six to eight cups a day of dried 

>mullein

>leaf tea a day. Friend says it works well in breaking up mucus and 

>u.r.i. about gone. 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Broken bones

From: "Gardenthyme Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:16:11 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by gardenthyme~lady <dblan@netusa1.net> :



Christa Maria wrote: 

Boneset has worked for a friend of mine , who broke both arms when

skating with great success



I don't know if I would call that success! LOL!



Seriously though, thank for the info.

 {Boneset ( Eupatorium perfoliatum) is what the Natives ( Odawa, great

Lakes Indians) use here internally as a tea.} 

What quantities are used and how often should it be taken?

Dee

"The Gardenthyme Lady"



You give little when you give of your possessions. It is when

you give of yourself that you truly give.

--Kahlil Gibran



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Broken bones

From: Christa-Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:50:26 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by cmaria@triton.net :



Hi Dee,

Too  bad my spell checker does not know how to correct my still

insufficient English and punctuation,.but it made me chuckle, too.

From what I remember she made a strong tea and sipped it thru out the

day, one cup full . Also added some mint and honey, for bonniest does

not have a very palatable taste. She drank the tea daily for about 2

weeks.Started right away , a day after her break and the Doc was amazed

how fast it healed. But she was determined, had 3 children under 5 and a

3 week old she had a hard time nursing with both arms in a cast.

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Broken bones

From: Roses9652@aol.com

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:07:34 EST

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Sent to the herblist by roses9652@aol.com :



Would this boneset tea help with osteo fractures of the vertebrae?  R.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Hulling black walnuts

From: "J Clarke & K Luskey" <jclarke2@uswest.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:13:15 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :



Anyone have any tips on hulling black walnuts? I just got a WONDERFUL

collection from a friend of mine who knew I use them in tinctures, and for

the life of me, I can't figure out how to hull them, they're so hard.



Kerry

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Boswellia

From: Deborah <breathe@rcn.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:02:30 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Deborah <breathe@rcn.com> :



I have a friend who has found tremendous relief from boswellia for 

respiratory distress as a result of the late effects of polio and, 

possibly, spinal stenosis. A specific diagnosis has never been ascertained 

but the results of using it in regular intervals have been close to 

miraculous. I am looking to help the person find an online resource for 

purchasing Boswellia as physical limitations make trips to the health food 

store not always practical or even something that can be accomplished.



Any assistance will be appreciated. Thank you.



Deborah



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Boswellia

From: "gcwhite" <gcwhite@ntlworld.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:53:08 -0000

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Hi Deborah



> I have a friend who has found tremendous relief from boswellia for

> respiratory distress as a result of the late effects of polio and,

> possibly, spinal stenosis. A specific diagnosis has never been ascertained

> but the results of using it in regular intervals have been close to

> miraculous. I am looking to help the person find an online resource for

> purchasing Boswellia as physical limitations make trips to the health food

> store not always practical or even something that can be accomplished.



You don't say where you are or what type of Boswellia your friend has been

using.



As a general point for all listers asking for help, the more detailed the

query, the more likely you are to get useful advice.



> Any assistance will be appreciated. Thank you.



Having said that try



www.advancedherbals.com  (nci)



this is a UK company, run by a medical herbalist.



(I buy my hemp seed oil and Boswellia tablets from him)



Cheers



Graham White  B.Sc. (Herb. Med.), MNIMH.

Medical Herbalist

Bishop's Stortford & Buntingford (in England, Europe)

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: preservatives for creams

From: "plantpeople" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:53:51 -0500

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>> Maybe

> >it's the Balm of Gilead that i always add for analgesic, anti-microbial

and

> >anti bacterial properties?

>

> Right. Which balm of gilead (poplar buds, or the resin?), in what form,

> and how much? Ie., I'd appreciate a full recipe.



When I add resins such as balsam poplar buds, pine pitch or benzoin, my

creams invariably seperate during storage.  Any one else experience this

problem?



I have had no trouble with rancidity in creams since I started making sure

that the liquid I add to the oil is "preserved" by glycerin, vinegar,

alcohol, or aloe proportions as recommended for long term storage of said

liquid.  If, for example. I chose to use alcohol, it would be about 25%

percent final dilution of alcohol to water (remember alcohol is drying to

the skin - not best choice for re-moisturizing lotion - glycerin/water is

better choice for moisture retention).  Adding in EO's to the cream will

also increase storage life.



I also store my creams in a root cellar which stays at a relative 33-45

degrees year round.  They last on average for about one year in storage.

But I try not to make any more than I reasonably expect to sell with-in 3

months.  The herb-infused oils I use to make the creams last in storage

approximately two years on average (depending on the herb).... longer if I

store the oil as a thin beeswax salve... which is also more convenient for

cream making.

Creams that are high in tannin (black walnut for example) have a longer

shelf life.  Also the more anti-microbial the herb or higher aromatic phenol

content, the longer the shelf life.  My creams made with thyme have a longer

shel life than the creams made with violet leaf.



The creams left out at room temperature seem to last about 6- 9  months

depending on the room climate.  When I used to make them primarily with

water and a preservative such as vitamin  E added in, the shelf life was

substantially shorter - often 1 - 2 months.  Made with aloe/water  and

vitamin E, shelf life seemed to be about 3-5 months at room temperature.

JoyceW



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: burns/skin

From: "plantpeople" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:30:55 -0500

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> I burned my wrist today (small blister), and am looking for

> suggestions both for pain relief and fast healing.  Also, I'm having

> problems with acne; not bad acne, but fairly persistent, and worse

> during my period. I'd like suggestions on how to clear up what I have

> and hopefully lessen the frequency of outbreaks.

>

> I'm open to either internal or external remedies.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Connie

for the burn:

I use balsam fir resin mixed with equal amount of vitamin E, applied to

closed blister twice daily, and banaged with fresh dressing at each

application.  I have used this for severe second degree burns fom diameters

of 1/2 inch to 2"inch diameter,  with great success. (severe second burns

much larger than 2" diameter, especially if skin is open. ... I would

personally seek medical attention.  IMO, burn treatment is one area where

modern allopathic medicine excels)  Have used this blend for burns of a

lesser degree over areas larger than 2" diameter as well.

If no balsam fir available try St. Johnswort salve, calendula salve or

straight vitamin E oil.

There were some interesting studies done on topical vitamin E, combined with

internal vitamin C for burn treatment in the 70's and 80's - the treatment



was found it superior to skin grafts in many instances.   Recollect name of

Dr. involved was Dr. Fredericks



Persistant acne can indicate liver or kidney imbalance, a pharmaceutical

side effect, and/or underlying mineral deficiency.  That it is worsened with

menstrual flow points to the liver, but without more information about you

all we can do is treat the acne - not the person.

Seek a holistic practitioner in your area for an overall assessment, so much

is lost when we are not able to "see" the person.....what does the tongue

look like, what is the skin color and tone, body tone and energetics,

etc....

JoyceW



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Black walnuts

From: "J Clarke & K Luskey" <jclarke2@uswest.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:37:11 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :



Does anyone have any experience working with black walnuts? This is the

first time I've used them fresh off the tree (as opposed to buying them in

powdered form) and I'm not sure how to proceed. I figured out how to hull

them - I just stabbed them with a clawhammer and whacked the little buggers.

But I'm at a loss as far as how to go from here. Can I use the hulls

immediately in a tincture, or do I wait until they turn dark brown? I put

the green hulls immediately in alcohol, and so far, the tincture doesn't

seem to be the characteristic chocolatey brown color. Should I have waited

until the hulls turned brown on their own, or does it really matter?



Kerry

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http://www.KerrysHerbals.com

Miracle Salve, herbal tinctures, essential oils and more!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Tinctures - percolation?

From: "J Clarke & K Luskey" <jclarke2@uswest.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:45:27 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :



Another question - on Henriette's FAQ, the percolation method of tincturing

was mentioned a few times, but I've not been able to find any information

about that. Can someone describe what this is, or give me an idea where I

could learn more about this?



Kerry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.KerrysHerbals.com

Miracle Salve, herbal tinctures, essential oils and more!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Tinctures - percolation?

From: "Diana Lapp" <dlapp@bmi.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:15:20 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by Diana Lapp <dlapp@bmi.net> :



Kerry,

 

Check out Michael Moore's website.  It is a good site to become 

familiar with.

 

http://chili.rt66.com

 

Mr. Moore's Materia Medica includes a fairly detailed explanation of

the percolation technique.  It takes some practice, but produces

excellent results.  Here are the specific URL's for that document:

 

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/ManualsMM/MatMed5.txt

 

or

 

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/ManualsMM/MatMed5.pdf

 

He also has a Percolation Worksheet that is helpful:

 

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/ManualsMM/TinctWork.gif

 

Hope this helps.

 

Diana

His Garden Botanicals

 

> > Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :

 

> > Another question - on Henriette's FAQ, the percolation method of

> > tincturing was mentioned a few times, but I've not been able to find

> > any information about that. Can someone describe what this is, or

> > give me an idea where I could learn more about this?

> > 

> > Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re:Using EO's in salves

From: Christa-Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:53:02 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by cmaria@triton.net :



Henriette,

which much respect, I was somewhat bothered by your comment of using

Essential oils for salves that were not of the same quality than the

essential oils Aroma therapists use..

I know there are inferior essential oils out  there, but :

Well........ does it make SENSE to wild craft the most healing herbs you

can

find, or raise them organically...and carefully dry them, and

painstakingly

infuse them (in finest olive oil?)  and throw in some synthetic

godknowswhat's in the bottle??????



seems to me that if the point of the salve is for healing, one would

want

the most healing eo's one could find.



but ?????  what do I know...



a balm or a salve is the PERFECT vehicle for the best quality eo's you

can

find,  long lasting (if made with stable oils)...and designed

to heal...  not just to smell good.



  Obviously,  that discounts the power of the

oils?



And if the balm is meant for soothing irritated skin, I'd never EVER add



peppermint essential oil.

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: red yeast

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:43:20 -0500 (EST)

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>Supposedly you should not use if if you have liver problems (the pure 

>extract that's used in allopathic meds raises liver enzymnes) or if you're 

>on blood thinners, which probably has to do with the way it increases blood 

>circulation (my ears are nice and warm now and, mostly, my feet are, too.).  

>I use it for cholesterol.  I was at 246 and my doctor was talking about 

>'treating' it.  So in my research, I fell over red rice yeast.  Tried it for 

>a couple of weeks and really like that warm all over feeling.  In addtition 

>to enjoying seeing my cholesterol plummet to 189 with 48 of that being HDL.  

>I doubt it'd work that well for everyone, but it's great for me.  I think I 

>might be losing a bit of weight, too, but I'm an optomist about that, as 

>many years of slightly too small swim suits proves.



Cylise,



How, in what form did you take the red yeast?  Just eat the red rice-yeast as

is?  Use in cooking, but how and how much?  Cook with brown rice?



My cholesterol is apparently on the other side of normal (79 as of 

April 8, 1997, no breakdown as to HDL etc), but I get cold feet with sore spots

on the toes in fall and winter.  Now is unseasonably cold here, some days below

freezing all day, but no significant snow, just a few little flurries.  When I 

used fresh or dried hot peppers (Capsicum) in cooking, it had no noticeable

effect on cold toes, and now I can't use peppers (Capsicum) any more because of

delayed asthmatic reaction to potatoes, eggplant, peppers and tomatoes, in

descending order of severity.



Weather forecast is for gradual warming trend (Kentucky) over the next few days

but still below normal temperatures with feet likely to get cold, possibly with

sore spots.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: red yeast

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:29:12 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



Red yeast is not as hard on the liver as are the statin drugs.  It

affects multiple pathways to the liver instead of concentrating into one.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

"Love wholeheartedly, be surprised, give thanks and praise--then you will

discover the fullness of your life." --Brother David Steindl-Rast



GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: red yeast

From: "Cylise Anderson" <cylise@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:54:48 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by cylise@hotmail.com :



> >I use it for cholesterol. I was at 246 and my doctor was talking about 

> >'treating' it. So in my research, I fell over red rice yeast. Tried it 

>for >a couple of weeks and really like that warm all over feeling. In 

>addtition >to enjoying seeing my cholesterol plummet to 189 with 48 of that 

>being HDL.

>

>How, in what form did you take the red yeast? Just eat the red rice-yeast 

>as is? Use in cooking, but how and how much? Cook with brown rice?

>

>My cholesterol is apparently on the other side of normal (79 as of April 8, 

>1997, no breakdown as to HDL etc), but I get cold feet with sore spots on 

>the toes in fall and winter.

I made a typo on the bp reduction.  Should have been down to 159.

I took it in capsules that I got at the good local herb store.   One could 

simply open the capsules and sprinkle it over food, put it in liquid and add 

to the food, or, as I did, just swallow the capsules.  The Chinese use it to 

make rice wine and I think they use it much as we do paprika for accent 

colour and also in general cooking by putting it in sauces and using it as a 

marinade.

But if your cholesterol is already that low, I'd advise talking to a doctor 

about it before taking anything that might lower it farther.  We do need 

cholesterol, you know.  Keeps us alive, which is why our livers make it for 

us.   And checking with him/her on the cold appendages with the sores.  They 

could be an indication of nasty thyroid (either high or low can go like 

that) or diabetes in the early stages or any number of things.  I figure I 

just got the warmth part because red yeast rice has long been used for 

circulation in China and it worked to improve mine.  If your coldness is not 

a result of poor circulation (or if your circulation is somehow blocked), 

you could be doing yourself some harm by taking one good thing it's done for 

me and ignoring other possible aspects of its actions.

BTW, is red yeast rice a proper matter for this list?  I don't think it can 

really be classed as an herb, as yeast is at least partly an animal thing.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: red yeast

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 02:14:05 -0500 (EST)

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Sent to the herblist by tmueller@bluegrass.net :



>But if your cholesterol is already that low, I'd advise talking to a doctor 

>about it before taking anything that might lower it farther.  We do need 

>cholesterol, you know.  Keeps us alive, which is why our livers make it for 

>us.   And checking with him/her on the cold appendages with the sores. 



Cylise,



Thanks for info.  I could possibly try red yeast/rice in cooking.  Most all

U.S. doctors have in all likelihood never heard of red yeast, so they would be

unable to advise on its effect on cholesterol.  Maybe it would be OK, just as

eating hawthorn berries is usually quite OK even if blood pressure is not high.

I am afraid of an expensive time-consuming battery of medical tests followed by

a prescription for pentoxifylline (Trental), nifedipine (Procardia) or something

else, not to mention a few new asthma inhalers to replace those that are 30

months idle.



I don't think yeast is partly an animal thing, but since fungi were put in a 

separate kingdom, maybe yeast is no longer a plant?  But some lichens

(Sticta pulmonaria, Cetraria islandica, Usnea) are used in herbal medicine, some

mushrooms too (shiitake, reishi), and Chinese herbal medicine is augmented to 

include some animal products.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: red yeast

From: "gcwhite" <gcwhite@ntlworld.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 10:27:11 -0000

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Sent to the herblist by Graham White <gcwhite@ntlworld.com> :



Hi



> > >I use it for cholesterol. I was at 246 and my doctor was talking about



What units are you using?  The units used in the UK are mmol/litre where the

normal range is 3.5 - 6.5



> But if your cholesterol is already that low, I'd advise talking to a

doctor

> about it before taking anything that might lower it farther.  We do need

> cholesterol, you know.



The results of the Framlington study showed that where cholesterol levels

were reduced below 4 mmol/litre there was a significant decrease in heart

disease but a concommitant significant increase in cancer (I don't have the

reference handy, anyone?)



> BTW, is red yeast rice a proper matter for this list?  I don't think it

can

> really be classed as an herb, as yeast is at least partly an animal thing.



Yeast is a fungus, an thus part of a separate kingdom, and no more animal

than a plant is.



Cheers



Graham White  B.Sc. (Herb. Med.), MNIMH.

Medical Herbalist

Bishop's Stortford & Buntingford

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: red yeast

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 03:58:16 -0500 (EST)

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>Cold hands and feet can be yang deficiency (failure of the warming

>function), blood deficiency (lack of volume in the blood vessels or

>insufficiency caused by stasis- a blockage- along the way) or qi

>deficiency (impaired movement).  Try beef soup with sage, saffron in soup

>and curries, and keep up your liquid volume.  If your energy level is

>down and you have weakness, try red ginseng (Siberian ginseng or American

>ginseng if you are younger and more vigorous).

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com



I quit eating mammal meat in 1987 because of digestive and other problems and

have no desire to go back.  Anyway, I got cold feet and sore spots in late fall

and winter just the same whether (weather?) or not I ate animal protein foods.  

Sage had no effect on me, though I don't remember specifically combining sage 

with beef.  When I would eat mammal meat between 1979 and 1987, I would need 

papaya leaf or raw pineapple.  Digestive difficulty was related to the lean 

portion rather than the fat.



I am still curious how red yeast is used in cooking or otherwise.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: red yeast

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:58:57 -0500

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Several people made this sound REALLY good, so I bought some, and I

opened the capsule, and I tasted it, and I thought I was eating paprika. 

Is this correct or have I stumbled on some kind of MLM paprika

substitution or augmentation?



Marcia



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: red yeast

From: "Cylise Anderson" <cylise@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:00:43 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by cylise@hotmail.com :



>>

> > > >I use it for cholesterol. I was at 246 and my doctor was talking 

>about

>

>What units are you using?  The units used in the UK are mmol/litre where 

>the

>normal range is 3.5 - 6.5

>



MG/dl  with 'normal' being less than 200.  Anything over 240 generally 

requiring treatment, anything less than about 140 or 120 (I forget which) 

being looked at with suspicion, but, as far as I know, not being treated.  

The 159 I came down to was regarded as wonderful by the nurse who checked it 

out, but I think I was still in process of dropping.  I'm cutting back to 1 

capsule twice a day, as my hunger has gone up to way too high a point and I 

think it's caused by not having enough fat around so it my body was asking 

for more.  We'll see how my next test turns out.  It'll certainly be enough 

lower for my doctor and I to both be happy.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: cold feet, was red yeast

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:45:37 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



Cold hands and feet can be yang deficiency (failure of the warming

function), blood deficiency (lack of volume in the blood vessels or

insufficiency caused by stasis- a blockage- along the way) or qi

deficiency (impaired movement).  Try beef soup with sage, saffron in soup

and curries, and keep up your liquid volume.  If your energy level is

down and you have weakness, try red ginseng (Siberian ginseng or American

ginseng if you are younger and more vigorous).



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

"Love wholeheartedly, be surprised, give thanks and praise--then you will

discover the fullness of your life." --Brother David Steindl-Rast



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: ?? about reducing radiation effects

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:44:22 -0600 (CST)

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Hi Everyone,



I always seem to be involved with cancer patients, ever since I survived

my cancer 4 years ago.



Now my mother is critically ill from the side effects resulting from

radiation therapy administered to treat colon cancer.  She finished her

therapy in October of this year but recently required more *painful

surgery* in her gut.  Apparently she experienced hardening of lower

intestinal tissues from the *low dose* radiation treatments.  In the last

two weeks my mother has had two surgeries opening her gut so the doctors

could remove a blockage created by the hardened tissues.  The doctors now

say my mother may require these blockage removing surgeries every so

often.  I think my mother has virually no small intestine left.  Because I

experienced similar surgeries during ovarian cancer treatment, I know

recovery from these types of surgeries is incredibly painful.



Now my mother is very interested in finding out about the herbal

strategies I used to overcome long-term side effects from cancer

treatments.  I can tell her all about chai tea for the tummy, astralagus,

nettles and thistles, tumeric blends, dandelion, chinese ginseng,

dandelion and burdock and other teas I used, but I know nothing about the

hardening of tissues from radiation.  Does anyone have herbal wisdom to

offer for easing the suffering from hardening of intestinal

tissues after receiving low dose radiation?   



This year (if my mom gets out of the hospital) I am sending my mom

slippery elm/ astralagus tea blend for a Christmas present.



I think milk thistle may be contraindicated in my mother's case because I

have read about the need to increase fiber in the diet to make sure the

toxins filered out the body from using milk thistle don't get get

reabsorbed.  My mom has to use only certain fibers (like psyllium) in her

diet now.  I think she can handle marshmellow root, slippery elm, mullien

and other mucilaginous herbs, but things like lettuce and carrots

would cause her problems. 



Another *if she gets out of the hospital topic* includes a visit to an MD

who is also an herbalist.  I am trying to convince my mother that she

will improve her quality of life much quicker if she will use herbs in

place of western medicines (when possible).



Thanks,



& Happy Thanksgiving to my brothers and sisters here in the US,



Barbara 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Subject: Animal protein/red yeast/herbs after bad accident

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:44:54 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



Patricia-



I don't think the red yeast would be beneficial unless you have

cholesterol problems.



Accident recovery often requires higher amounts of easily assimilable

protein and animal protein is both energetically warm and easier to

assimilate completely.  (Soy and most beans are energetically cold and

miss building blocks which aren't a problem in the short term but can be

long term.)  If you crave animal protein, you probably need it. 

Vegetarianism may be an excellent recovery diet from years of

overindulgence, but I think of it as a kind of long term fast which tends

to run its course.  (Ethical vegetarianism is beyond the scope of this

comment, and I advocate organic meats.)  It is especially difficult to be

a vegetarian in a cold climate, a city or under stress.  One thought,

your gut bacteria may not be set up to receive large amounts, so try a

gradual reintroduction.  



The comfrey and plantain poultices sound excellent.  Generally your

herbal choices sounds good, but it is difficult to tell without knowing

more about your constitution and how your body is handling the stress. 

You might add turmeric if you have inflammation along with your broken

bones.  You can use the regular turmeric if you add about 10% pepper to

aid tissue penetration.  (And you might experiment with kava, Piper

methisticum to see if it will add the piperine while relaxing your

muscles.)  



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

"Love wholeheartedly, be surprised, give thanks and praise--then you will

discover the fullness of your life." --Brother David Steindl-Rast



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Subject: Animal protein/red yeast/herbs after bad accident

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 04:16:16 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :



Karen S Vaughan wrote:



> You can use the regular turmeric if you add about 10% pepper to

> aid tissue penetration.  (And you might experiment with kava, Piper

> methisticum to see if it will add the piperine while relaxing your

> muscles.)



What kinds of turmeric are there, and what are the advantages/disadvantages of

each?



Thanks,

May

--

~~Amo ergo sum~~



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Animal protein/red yeast/herbs after bad accident(was Re: herb  digest: November 24, 2000

From: Slow Lrnr <gudrun@alaska.net>

Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:14:36 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by gudrun@alaska.net :



>Subject: Re: red yeast

>From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

>  Try beef soup with sage, saffron in soup

> >and curries, and keep up your liquid volume.

> >

> >Karen Vaughan

>

>I quit eating mammal meat in 1987 because of digestive and other problems and

>have no desire to go back.  Anyway, I got cold feet and sore spots in late 

>fall

>and winter just the same whether (weather?) or not I ate animal protein 

>foods.

>Sage had no effect on me, though I don't remember specifically combining sage

>with beef.



Thomas and Karen,



(first, I apologize for snipping, hope I didn't change the context)



-- I was recently involved in a bad accident; I was a pedestrian and I was 

hit by a SUV.  now that the casts are starting to come off and I'm getting 

more into physical therapy, would red rice be something that might help me 

heal faster?  I've been a vegetarian for years (although I *loathe* beans, 

lentils, the traditional vegetarian protein sources).  I do eat amaranth, 

almost any cereal, and would eat tofu, seitan if I knew  how to cook 

them.  The beef soup with sage that Karen suggested actually sounds very 

tasty -- where a year ago, my response would have been "blechhh!"



-- I have been craving meat so badly I gave in -- I ate half a pound of 

sliced turkey and almost that much sliced ham in one day.  I'm eating less 

now, but am still eating fish, turkey, and ham. I've just moved back home 

to Alaska to recover, so I don't have access to my books and herbs yet -- 

they should arrive next week if I'm lucky.  I know this is not a 

veg/anti-veg list, but has anybody here seen this kind of a craving after a 

bad accident before?  Is it normal?



-- Would it be possible to get ideas on my program for herbal support?  (I 

acknowledge that anything posted here is not medical advice and that the 

ultimate responsibility for deciding what to put into my body is mine 

alone.)  With that said, I am thinking of ordering comfrey and plantain for 

poultices after physical therapy to regain as much flexibility as possible 

in my joints;  using tinctures of eleuthero , gotu kola, and fo ti as 

general tonics; milk thistle, dandelion, and burdock as support for any 

liver damage all the pain-killers, muscle relaxers, etc. may have caused; 

and valerian, hops, skullcap, and passion flower to help taper off the 

sleeping pills and regain my normal sleep habits.  I am going to place my 

order in a few days'; I would be extremely grateful for any suggestions, 

additions, deletions.  Please feel free to mail me privately, also, but not 

with sales pitches for commercial products.



FWIW,  I do have adequate prescription meds for pain control, I am looking 

for herbs that are good muscle relaxers and strongly sedating to help me 

rest so I can use less of the pain medication.



Thank you,



Patricia

gudrun@alaska.net



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re:Turmeric

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:24:01 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by creationsgarden@juno.com :



There are two principal types of Curcuma used in Chinese medicine. 

Chinese functions, indications and organs listed below:



The rhizome of Curcuma longa, aka turmeric or jiang huang (literally

"yellow ginger"), is anti-infalmatory, warm, bitter, spicy and nontoxic. 

Removes blood stagnation, moves qi, promotes menstruation and relieves

pain.  Enters the Spleen and Liver channels.  For painful lumps in the

abdomen, and heart (or sensations of the same- glomus), pain in the

kidney, concretions and conglomerations (including fatty tumors),

menstrual block due to stasis, postpartum abdominal stasis pain, impact

injuries.  3-5 grams/day.



The tuber of Curcuma aromatica Salish, C domestica Valeton and C.

zeodaria is cold, bitter, spicy and nontoxic.  It is whitish yellow in

appearance, much like ginge.   Enters the Heart, Lung and Liver channels.

 Moves qi and resolves depression, cools the blood and breaks up blood

stagnation.  Can be stir fried, vinegar fried or wine fried to modify

properties..  Contraindicated in pregnancy and in yin deficiency without

stagnation of qi and blood.  Good for pain in the chest abdomen and

lateral costal region, clouding of the spirit in febrile diseases,

spontaneous blood in the urine, blood strangury, and jaundice.  5-10

grams/ day.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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