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Subject: Re: buffo frogs

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 30 Jun 2001 21:47:39 GMT

--------



>>> There is a type of frog that is native to cuba called a buffo.

>> You have toads.  And in Florida, I don't know how you would get

>> rid of them, except for pouring concrete all over your yard.

> If you can get dried fly-type turtle food, or the sweepings from bug

> zappers, you could make a scant trail of these "findings" to the

> nearest canal and build up the supply at the edge of the canal, and

> when they jumped in, the alligators would take care of some of this

> problem.



The Hawaiian cane toad taking over Australia (which seems to be very

similar to what is being described here) has a chemical in its skin

with basically the same effect as psilocybin.  People boil them up

into hallucinogenic toad soup, which in Australian law is classified

as a scheduled drug.  (Sorry, I don't know the dosage).



A swampful of alligators on acid doesn't sound like a good place to

go near.



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Subject: Re: buffo frogs

From: leeco11@aol.com (LeeCo11)

Date: 01 Jul 2001 00:48:12 GMT

--------

>Marcia:

>Melaleuca is tea tree.  Does Florida have the wherewithall to put up a tea

>tree oil

>factory to produce the tea tree oil and maybe some products containing tea

>tree

>oil, e.g., anti-fungal cremes, shampoos, creme rinse conditioners, lip balms,

>toothpastes, etc?   This would certainly help to control things.  Perhaps use

>is a

>better control than extermination.

>Marcia

>---

>

This is really a great idea.  I never new this about the tree before.  Thank

you.  This would be a great idea for a business.  the state is trying to chop

them all down which they will never do.  They grow faster than they can cut. 

They would probably pay you to cut down the trees for them.  



If I only had some money to start a business.  Darn!  



Thanks again for the info and ideas.  

Lee





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Subject: Re: buffo frogs

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 3 Jul 2001 13:44:33 GMT

--------

(begin quote)



   The Hawaiian cane toad taking over Australia (which seems to be very

   similar to what is being described here) has a chemical in its skin

   with basically the same effect as psilocybin.  People boil them up

   into hallucinogenic toad soup, which in Australian law is classified

   as a scheduled drug.  (Sorry, I don't know the dosage).



   A swampful of alligators on acid doesn't sound like a good place to

   go near.



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(end of quote)



There are differences between human consumption and consumption by alligators.

Alligators would be eating the toads raw, and alligators might not react the way

humans would react to the same substance.







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Subject: now vinegar

From: "Wubba" <wendy@SPAMFOOLERcountrytraditions.com>

Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:38:09 -0400

--------



>

> I've added vinegar to bottled conditioning rinse or "creme rinse" and hair

is

> shiny and very manageable, and there is no odor after rinsing it out.



Marcia

~~~~~~~~~~~~`



I tried white vinegar this week, and the smell is much less strong.

Wubba















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Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil

From: graywolf@texas.net (Michelle L. Orlando)

Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 06:19:33 GMT

--------



Thanks everyone who wrote to me, I just needed to know this is how it

should smell. What is a "carrier oil?



I will dilute as soon as I find out what the "carrier oil is and eo

stands for.



I really appreciate your info. 



I don't mind the smell, just the lungs aren't co-operating when they

get a whiff of the smell  and have to be careful with certain smells

with the asthma kicking in.



Michelle



On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:01:18 GMT, Marcia Grossbard

<catsie@mediaone.net> wrote:



>

>

>Kathy wrote:Hi Michelle,

>Yes, all essential oils are extremely concentrated.  You'll want to dilute it in

>a carrier oil...about 15 drops of eo to 1 oz of carrier.

>Marcia

>Or even two to three ounces of carrier oil.  They are concentrated (e.g. two

>train carloads of rose petals approximately to 16 ounces of attar of roses) and

>sometimes VERY STRONG in relation to what human skin can tolerate.

>AMEN!

>Marcia

>---

>Kathy continues:

>When mixing,be sure to be in a well ventilated room.

>

>>

>> Namaste,

>>

>> Kathy Ohlerking

>> kathy@uniquelyyoublends.com

>> Uniquely You Aromatherapy

>> ~Experience unique

>> aromatherapy products at

>> www.uniquelyyouaromatherapy.com~

>>

>> "Michelle L. Orlando" <graywolf@texas.net> wrote in message

>> news:3b3adc85.122305913@news.texas.net...

>> >

>> > I purchased a small bottle of Tea Tree Oil and opened it to use and as

>> > I have asthma I noticed this bottle emitted a very strong odor that I

>> > quickly capped the bottle again. Is this normal for Tea Tree Oil to

>> > have a very pungent strong smell? I did cough a little upon smelling

>> > it.  If this is the case, I guess I cannot use it.

>> >

>> > Michelle

>







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Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 06:03:16 -0700

--------

graywolf@texas.net (Michelle L. Orlando) wrote:



>

>Thanks everyone who wrote to me, I just needed to know this is how it

>should smell. What is a "carrier oil?



  Any non-smelly oil used to dilute the other ingredients.  You

can use any light vegetable oil, such as sesame, safflower, etc.

or mineral oil.  

  Avoid soy oil (or any vegetable oil where the source is not

named) becvause ti quickly develops a 'fishy" smell. 



  EO = essential oil







Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil

From: "Stephen Woolsey" <mellllllll@email.msn.com>

Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:13:06 -0500

--------



"Paul Sorenson" <pauls@REMOVE.classware.com.au> wrote in message

news:TNz%6.2078$A5.5765@news1.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au...

> Diluting tea tree oil is like mixing coke with good whiskey (at least

IMHO -



I agree, I use it full strength for cuts, scrapes, punctures etc.

I just had surgery on my pinky finger 3 weeks ago, & after

the splint was removed 1 week ago, it looked bad. I have kept the area wet

with full strength Tea Tree Oil since then, & it totally healed & almost no

scar. But I would use caution

on sensitive areas of skin.









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Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil 

From: "Rhyanon" <rhyanon@earthlink.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:26:04 GMT

--------

The pungency is the point of TTO. Sorry.....



"Michelle L. Orlando" <graywolf@texas.net> wrote in message

news:3b3adc85.122305913@news.texas.net...

>

> I purchased a small bottle of Tea Tree Oil and opened it to use and as

> I have asthma I noticed this bottle emitted a very strong odor that I

> quickly capped the bottle again. Is this normal for Tea Tree Oil to

> have a very pungent strong smell? I did cough a little upon smelling

> it.  If this is the case, I guess I cannot use it.

>

> Michelle

>









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Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil

From: "Kathy" <kathy@uniquelyyoublends.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:35:00 GMT

--------

Antibacterial: As a natural antiseptic and germicide, Melaleuca oil kills

disease-causing germs such as E. coli, staph, strep, pseudomonas and other

microorganisms.



Digestive: antiseptic. Used for intestinal infections and diarrhea.



Genito/urinary: antiseptic. Used for thrush, vaginitis, cystitis, fungal

infections.



Immune system: stimulates.



Respiratory: antiseptic, helps to expel mucus, used to treat colds,

sinusitis, sore throat, bronchitis, asthma.



Skin/hair: for oily skin. Antiseptic, anti-inflammatory, assists in the

healing of wounds and scars. Used to treat acne, blisters, burns, sunburn,

cold sores, rashes, warts, fungal infections (including those under finger

and toe nails) and wounds. One of the few oils that can be used directly on

the skin, without diluting. Useful in oral hygiene, relieves gingivitis,

mouth ulcers, periodontal disease and toothaches.



Other: It works as a natural cleanser and disinfectant; it dissolves and

lifts away dirt and stains, making it useful in household cleaning products.



Many Blessings,



Kathy Ohlerking

kathy@uniquelyyoublends.com

Uniquely You Aromatherapy

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"Totara" <down@the.woods> wrote in message

news:3B534572.683DAE17@the.woods...

> Strong antiseptic, use to dress wounds etc

> Good inhalant for colds too.

>

> Lizzie Hart wrote:

>

> > Whay is tree oil used for??  I have some unopened & don't know how to

use

> > it.

> >

> > Liz

> >

> > > From: "Rhyanon" <rhyanon@earthlink.net>

> > > Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net

> > > Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

> > > Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:26:04 GMT

> > > Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil

> > >

> > > The pungency is the point of TTO. Sorry.....

> > >

> > > "Michelle L. Orlando" <graywolf@texas.net> wrote in message

> > > news:3b3adc85.122305913@news.texas.net...

> > >>

> > >> I purchased a small bottle of Tea Tree Oil and opened it to use and

as

> > >> I have asthma I noticed this bottle emitted a very strong odor that I

> > >> quickly capped the bottle again. Is this normal for Tea Tree Oil to

> > >> have a very pungent strong smell? I did cough a little upon smelling

> > >> it.  If this is the case, I guess I cannot use it.

> > >>

> > >> Michelle

> > >>

> > >

> > >

>









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Subject: Tea Tree Oil

From: Jill Colwell <j4colwell@ozemail.com.au>

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 14:12:26 +1000

--------

Hi all



> Kathy wrote:

 

> Skin/hair: for oily skin. Antiseptic, anti-inflammatory, assists in the

> healing of wounds and scars. Used to treat acne, blisters, burns, sunburn,

> cold sores, rashes, warts, fungal infections (including those under finger

> and toe nails) and wounds. One of the few oils that can be used directly on

> the skin, without diluting. 



As an Aussie (where tea tree oil comes from) may I say that I would be

very careful using it straight onto the skin without diluting.  It's

quite a powerful oil, and can burn soft tissue, infant's etc skin.   It

I do use it, then I first wet a piece of cloth, pour the tea tree oil

onto the cloth, then use.   This dilutes the oil.



I still prefer to use eucalyptus oil (also an Australian product).   It

doesn't seem to be as strong, has the same effects, and is cheaper.  

I'm never without a bottle in the house.



Tea tree oil plantations were started up by overseas companies in

Australia in the 1970 / 1980's, and they have done a massive marketing

campaign with it, particularly overseas.  Australians are a bit more

cautious with it.



bye

Jill from Australia (remove the 4 from the address - anti spam).





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Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil

From: luckyhoodoo@aol.com (LuckyHoodoo)

Date: 29 Jul 2001 18:00:11 GMT

--------

>As an Aussie (where tea tree oil comes from) may I say that I would be

>very careful using it straight onto the skin without diluting.  It's

>quite a powerful oil, and can burn soft tissue, infant's etc skin.   It

>I do use it, then I first wet a piece of cloth, pour the tea tree oil

>onto the cloth, then use.   This dilutes the oil.

>

>I still prefer to use eucalyptus oil (also an Australian product).   It

>doesn't seem to be as strong, has the same effects, and is cheaper.  

>I'm never without a bottle in the house.

>

>Tea tree oil plantations were started up by overseas companies in

>Australia in the 1970 / 1980's, and they have done a massive marketing

>campaign with it, particularly overseas.  Australians are a bit more

>cautious with it.

>

>bye

>Jill from Australia (remove the 4 from the address - anti spam).

>

>

>

>

>



That's interesting.  I am not aware of any place to purchase "undiluted" tea

tree oil in the U.S. so this must be only available in Australia.  I have never

had any side effects with it and I love it!  I started using it for Acne and

you know what, it works FASTER than any clearisil or any OTC medicine you can

buy.



LuckyH.





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Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil

From: Jill Colwell <j4colwell@ozemail.com.au>

Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:27:27 +1000

--------

Tea tree oil is obtained by distillation, and so is very powerful (as

are any other oils obtained by distillation).   They're sold in small

bottles, because you need very little.   We certainly don't see any

diluted oil.



An Aussie friend once used it under his armpits to deal with

perspiration - burnt himself severely (ouch).



Good product, but be careful - test before you use full strength.   



bye

Jill from Australia





>That's interesting.  I am not aware of any place to purchase "undiluted" tea

> tree oil in the U.S. so this must be only available in Australia.  I have >never

> had any side effects with it and I love it!  I started using it for Acne >and

> you know what, it works FASTER than any clearisil or any OTC medicine you can buy.

> 

> LuckyH.



Jill wrote> 

> >As an Aussie (where tea tree oil comes from) may I say that I would be

> >very careful using it straight onto the skin without diluting.  It's

> >quite a powerful oil, and can burn soft tissue, infant's etc skin.   It

> >I do use it, then I first wet a piece of cloth, pour the tea tree oil

> >onto the cloth, then use.   This dilutes the oil.

> >

> >I still prefer to use eucalyptus oil (also an Australian product).   It

> >doesn't seem to be as strong, has the same effects, and is cheaper.

> >I'm never without a bottle in the house.

> >

> >Tea tree oil plantations were started up by overseas companies in

> >Australia in the 1970 / 1980's, and they have done a massive marketing

> >campaign with it, particularly overseas.  Australians are a bit more

> >cautious with it.

> >

> >bye

> >Jill from Australia (remove the 4 from the address - anti spam).

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> 

>





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Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil

From: luckyhoodoo@aol.com (LuckyHoodoo)

Date: 31 Jul 2001 15:05:44 GMT

--------

>Tea tree oil is obtained by distillation, and so is very powerful (as

>are any other oils obtained by distillation).   They're sold in small

>bottles, because you need very little.   We certainly don't see any

>diluted oil.

>

>An Aussie friend once used it under his armpits to deal with

>perspiration - burnt himself severely (ouch).

>

>Good product, but be careful - test before you use full strength.   

>

>bye

>Jill from Australia



Well I bought a big O' bottle from Wall Mart two years ago and It is still not

empty.  (8 oz).  You are forgeting about carrier oils.  Most tea tree is not

*pure* tea tree.  If it was you would be paying really high prices.  The back

of my bottle states that it contains 2% of the chemical in tea-tree which

provides the medicinal benefits.  It also states that this is the established

percentage that all tea-tree oils must contain to be called "tea-tree oil" in

the first place (coming from Australia).



LuckyH.





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Subject: Re: An apple a day...

From: "Paul Sorenson" <pauls@REMOVE.classware.com.au>

Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 06:48:18 GMT

--------

I once went to a doctor who was a fan of "Vega" tests (if I recall

correctly).  He told me I was allergic to apples (not to mention oranges and

various other things), he mentioned that he came across this quite

frequently in patients.  Now I am not sure whether Vega testing has any

scientific basis.







"Frank" <Frank102@pclv.com> wrote in message

news:3B3CFE42.BFA6239D@pclv.com...

> An apple a day keeps the HMO away, or something like that. I've heard

> that all my life. I recently bought some apple juice - no additives,

> unfiltered. When I read the lable I was surprised to find almost no

> vitamins or nutrients in apple juice. Question: why are apples

> considered to be healthy? Thanks in advance....Frank









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Subject: Re: An apple a day...

From: Julia Maddocks <julia.maddocks@zoom.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:50:52 +0100

--------

Apple juice is strange stuff - you say unfiltered, but if it's clear and made

from concentrate, then the processing makes it hard to digest and can cause

stomach problems.  My toddler was ill for 3 months until we found out it was

concentrated apple juice making him sick. Vitamins are fragile things, and I'm

not sure how many are left in juice that you buy in cartons.



In my fruit jucing book juicing book, freshly made apple juice is listed as

containing vitamins B1, C and D.



Julia



> "Frank" <Frank102@pclv.com> wrote in message

> news:3B3CFE42.BFA6239D@pclv.com...

> > An apple a day keeps the HMO away, or something like that. I've heard

> > that all my life. I recently bought some apple juice - no additives,

> > unfiltered. When I read the lable I was surprised to find almost no

> > vitamins or nutrients in apple juice. Question: why are apples

> > considered to be healthy? Thanks in advance....Frank







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Subject: Re: An apple a day...

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 2 Jul 2001 12:44:24 GMT

--------



>> An apple a day keeps the HMO away, or something like that. I've heard

>> that all my life. I recently bought some apple juice - no additives,

>> unfiltered. When I read the lable I was surprised to find almost no

>> vitamins or nutrients in apple juice. Question: why are apples

>> considered to be healthy?

> I once went to a doctor who was a fan of "Vega" tests (if I recall

> correctly).  He told me I was allergic to apples (not to mention oranges

> and various other things), he mentioned that he came across this quite

> frequently in patients.  Now I am not sure whether Vega testing has any

> scientific basis.



Vega testing is mumbo-jumbo.



However, apple allergy is fairly common so your doctor was right about

that.



Whether a food is allergenic has nothing to do with its nutrient content.



The only connection is that the heat treatment involved in producing

apple juice destroys both nutrients and allergens, so you'll be less

likely to get either an allergic reaction or any nutritional benefit

from the juice than from a fruit.



Cooking apples eliminates most of their allergenicity but doesn't

destroy the nutrients as much as juice processing does.



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Subject: Re: An apple a day...

From: MrThal@webtv.net (Neander Thal)

Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 02:08:16 -0400 (EDT)

--------





www.applesforhealth.com

Apple A Day Keeps Doctor Away  

 

 Researchers now have scientific proof for the adage: an apple a

day keeps the doctor away. Actually, they found, it's the phytochemicals

in the apple that give such a boost to health. 

 Phytochemicals are plant chemicals, such as flavanoids and

polyphenols. They are present in the flesh of the apple and in the skin. 

 The study by scientists at Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y.,

shows the phytochemicals provide the fruit's anti-oxidant and

anti-cancer benefits. 

 "Although it has long been known that apples provide anti-oxidant

and health benefits, this concept is different," said Rui Hai Liu,

assistant professor of food science and lead study author. It turns out

it's not a single compound but a combination that promote health. 

 The study, funded by the New York Apple Research Development

Program and New York Apple Association, was published in the journal

Nature. 

--







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Subject: Re: An apple a day...

From: "Paul Sorenson" <pauls@REMOVE.classware.com.au>

Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 10:09:48 GMT

--------

Without wanting to sound critical, isn't it kind of redundant to point out

that its the phytochemicals in a plant that affect your health.  Maybe

someone can help me out here, but is there any component of a plant this

isn't a "phytochemical"?



Would a reasonable extension of this be that its the phytofibre content of

my cotton shirt that protects me from the sun's harmful rays? (now if you

see a new range of "Phytofibre" clothing hit the stores then you heard it

first on a.f.h).



"Neander Thal" <MrThal@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:5487-3B416150-416@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net...



Researchers now have scientific proof for the adage: an apple a

day keeps the doctor away. Actually, they found, it's the phytochemicals

in the apple that give such a boost to health.

Phytochemicals are plant chemicals, such as flavanoids and

polyphenols.









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Subject: Re: An apple a day...

From: "geodigest" <geodigest@telocity.com>

Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:59:04 -0700

--------

I agree with Neander Thal, apples are a major source of flavinoids. One

study in the Netherlands found that tea and apples were the primary source

of flavinoids for the Dutch population. Good for many aspects of health,

from allergies to cancer.  Also, the pectins are a good source of soluble

fiber; cider has some pectin, but juice usually does not. Yeah, the term

phytochemical can be vague or redundant, but the benefits are real.



Jonathan



--



"Neander Thal" <MrThal@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:5487-3B416150-416@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net...





www.applesforhealth.com

Apple A Day Keeps Doctor Away



Researchers now have scientific proof for the adage: an apple a

day keeps the doctor away. Actually, they found, it's the phytochemicals

in the apple that give such a boost to health.

Phytochemicals are plant chemicals, such as flavanoids and

polyphenols. They are present in the flesh of the apple and in the skin.

The study by scientists at Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y.,

shows the phytochemicals provide the fruit's anti-oxidant and

anti-cancer benefits.

"Although it has long been known that apples provide anti-oxidant

and health benefits, this concept is different," said Rui Hai Liu,

assistant professor of food science and lead study author. It turns out

it's not a single compound but a combination that promote health.

The study, funded by the New York Apple Research Development

Program and New York Apple Association, was published in the journal

Nature.

--











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Subject: Re: An apple a day...

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 3 Jul 2001 13:44:27 GMT

--------

from "Paul Sorenson" <pauls@REMOVE.classware.com.au>:



   I once went to a doctor who was a fan of "Vega" tests (if I recall

   correctly).  He told me I was allergic to apples (not to mention oranges and

   various other things), he mentioned that he came across this quite

   frequently in patients.  Now I am not sure whether Vega testing has any

   scientific basis.

(end of quote)



I am not familiar with Vega tests, but you might get a more medical opinion if

you ask in newsgroup alt.med.allergy, or in the case of food allergies,

alt.support.food-allergies.







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Subject: Re: An apple a day...

From: garlicgrower@snip.net (Alliums)

Date: Wed, 04 Jul 01 06:05:52 GMT

--------

>, Frank <Frank102@pclv.com> wrote:

>An apple a day keeps the HMO away, or something like that. I've heard

>that all my life. 



Just finished reading "The Botany of Desire" by Michael Pollan. In his chapter 

on apples, he claims that the "apple a day" line comes from apple marketers 

during the Christian Temperence Movement who were trying to get folks to eat 

their apples instead of drinking them as hard cider.



Seems Carrie Nation and her buddies were taking their axes to apple trees as 

well as bars and the orchard folks feared for their trees.





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Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!        <*>



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Subject: Re: L-Carnosine

From: Yez <yezelel@newsguy.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 01:51:01 -0700

--------

Do you think it might be a typo for (Acetyl) L-Carnitine? What does

the blurb on it say it's for?



'rena





LymaBeane wrote:

> 

> I have checked at 2 GNCs and 2 other health food stores and they have never

> heard of it either.  Even a pharmacist at Rite-Aid never heard of it.

> 

> Yet I found it on the internet.  But I don't trust anything that you can buy

> only on the internet and the regular health food stores don't have it or

> know what it is.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: L-Carnosine

From: George.Lagergren@juge.com (George Lagergren)

Date: 02 Jul 2001 06:08:30 GMT

--------

Ref:  Carnosine                                 16  06-30-01  04:11 



> Has anyone ever used it and where do you buy it?



"Baird Stafford"  replied:

BS> It must be a recent discovery, since it is not listed in my copy of

BS> Newstrom's NUTRIENTS CATALOG.



"LymaBeane" <legrow29@yahoo.com>  wrote:

le> I have checked at 2 GNCs and 2 other health food stores and they

le> have never heard of it either.  Even a pharmacist at Rite-Aid never

le> heard of it.  Yet I found it on the internet.  But I don't

le> trust anything that you can buy only on the internet and the

le> regular health food stores don't have it or know what it is.



    Question:  Do the better known national discount vitamin houses 

      like:

      Vitamin Shoppe  (www.vitaminshoppe.com  )  or

      Swanson's Vitamins in Fargo, North Dakota   or

      L&H Vitamins   (www.vitamins.com  )



    carry Carnosine?



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Subject: Re: L-Carnosine

From: deanie@gorge.net (Nadine Foster-Day)

Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 11:41:38 GMT

--------

deanie@gorge.net (Nadine Foster-Day) wrote:



>George.Lagergren@juge.com (George Lagergren) wrote:

>

>>Ref:  Carnosine                                 16  06-30-01  04:11 

>>

>>> Has anyone ever used it and where do you buy it?

>>

>>"Baird Stafford"  replied:

>>BS> It must be a recent discovery, since it is not listed in my copy of

>>BS> Newstrom's NUTRIENTS CATALOG.

>>

>>"LymaBeane" <legrow29@yahoo.com>  wrote:

>

>(snip-snip)

>

>I found an article about Carnisone on the LEF web-site.  (Life Extension

>Foundation)  darn...I left it at work...I'll find the URL and send it later.

>

>

>Nadine

>In the beautiful Columbia Gorge

>

>"No Matter Where You Go....There You Are!"



I found it...http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2001/jan2001_report_carnosine_1.html



Could it be carnosine...not carnisone?

Nadine

In the beautiful Columbia Gorge



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Subject: Re: L-Carnosine

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 00:25:12 GMT

--------

> it...http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2001/jan2001_report_carnosine_1.html

> Could it be carnosine...not carnisone?

> Nadine

>



It apparently is carnosine, and it is very NEWand much of the research was done in

Russia according to the bibliography.



My feeling is that if a Naturopathic doctor wants to look into it, the nearest

healthfood store (probably an independent owner) might make it available, or any one

of them could order a minimum quantity.  It might be very useful, but it is VERY

NEW.

Marcia

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Subject: Re: L-Carnosine

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 13:16:00 GMT

--------





Yez wrote:



> Do you think it might be a typo for (Acetyl) L-Carnitine? What does

> the blurb on it say it's for?'rena

>  Marcia:



Somebody corrected me on the same assumption.  Apparently L-carnosine is new.  My

feeling is that you should go through the yellow pages and find a healthfood store

that is not a national brand, independently owned and phone the owner, even a toll

call ( like 45 miles away) and inquire if he has it and if he has any printed

matter on the subject, and then you can make a judgment.

Marcia

---



> LymaBeane wrote:

> >

> > I have checked at 2 GNCs and 2 other health food stores and they have never >

> heard of it either.  Even a pharmacist at Rite-Aid never heard of it.



(Marcia:  why would a pharmacist, overloaded with allopathic demand have any info

on this when they are inundated with the latest on allopathic "stuff" some of

which gets into misleading commercials like "Allegra" for instance?)>



> > Yet I found it on the internet.  But I don't trust anything that you can buy

> > only on the internet and the regular health food stores don't have it or

> > know what it is.



(Marcia: find a smaller independent healthfood store.  Those people are not

limited by their distributor's computer inventory system)









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Subject: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: "Gypsy_Witch" <gypsy_witch@optusnet.com.au>

Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:34:43 +1000

--------

Greetings all

I'm Looking for a herbal treatment for ear ache.  My 10yo daughter is

sufferring at the moment. Im hoping someone will have some advice.



BB

Gypsy









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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: Liz Hanson <liz@zylanid.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:04:14 +0100

--------

In article <3b3efd0d$0$25504$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>, Gypsy_Witch

<gypsy_witch@optusnet.com.au> writes

>Greetings all

>I'm Looking for a herbal treatment for ear 

>ache.  My 10yo daughter is

>sufferring at the moment. Im hoping someone 

>will have some advice.

>

>BB

>Gypsy

>

>



Not specific for ear-ache, Gypsy, but you probably need to see it in two parts -

the pain and the infection (usually when my kids had ear-ache it was caused by

infection).  Infusion of meadow-sweet for pain - acts a bit like (and is related

to) aspirin, but some say it is safer than aspirin pills.  Meadow-sweet is

flowering right now, so you might find it by the river if you have no dried.



For the infection - you could try echinacea - tincture available from health-

food shops etc.  



If your daughter is in serious pain, or the problem persists, you need to check

with someone qualified (I'm not).  Meanwhile, lying with the ear on a warm pad

might bring some relief?  And lots of watery drinks to help the body flush out

nasties.  hth

-- 

Liz Hanson





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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: Liz Hanson <liz@zylanid.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 07:57:55 +0100

--------

In article <3b3fc73b$0$25484$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>, Gypsy_Witch

<gypsy_witch@optusnet.com.au> writes

>Thankyou liz....

>I live in Australia and wonder if meadow 

>sweet is flowering at this time of

>year (winter)  I will check it out

>



My mistake!  Sorry, Gipsy, I didn't spot the "au" in your addy.  I was talking

about UK climate, where meadow-sweet is flowering right now.  I guess you would

have to rely on dried after all!

-- 

Liz Hanson





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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 06:04:15 -0700

--------

"Gypsy_Witch" <gypsy_witch@optusnet.com.au> wrote:



>Greetings all

>I'm Looking for a herbal treatment for ear ache.  My 10yo daughter is

>sufferring at the moment. Im hoping someone will have some advice.



  Warm some vegetable oil to slightly above body temperature and

drop it in her ear.  Follow up with some warm compresses, and

some tylenol. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: "Wubba" <wendy@SPAMFOOLERcountrytraditions.com>

Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:52:08 -0400

--------



  Warm some vegetable oil to slightly above body temperature and

drop it in her ear.  Follow up with some warm compresses, and

some tylenol.



Tsu Dho Nimh





~~~~~~~~~~~`

Hey Tsu,



What about mullein?



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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 14:25:31 -0700

--------

"Wubba" <wendy@SPAMFOOLERcountrytraditions.com> wrote:



>Hey Tsu,

>

>What about mullein?



  the closest mullein plant is about a 90-mile drive from here.

Vegetable oil is usually in the kitchen cabinet  :) 







Tsu Dho Nimh



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gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: "Gypsy_Witch" <gypsy_witch@optusnet.com.au>

Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:03:35 +1000

--------

Mullein?  hmmm!   It would probably be a lot more than 90mile from me.  I

tried the vegetable oil last night and it did give some relief.   Does the

warm oil break down  any ear wax that is present  (yuckie topic  sorry)  It

did appear to "disolve" some.

Thanks

Gypsy

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> "Wubba" <wendy@SPAMFOOLERcountrytraditions.com> wrote:

>

> >Hey Tsu,

> >

> >What about mullein?

>

>   the closest mullein plant is about a 90-mile drive from here.

> Vegetable oil is usually in the kitchen cabinet  :)

>

>

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

> gets to do it.









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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 19:02:39 -0700

--------

"Gypsy_Witch" <gypsy_witch@optusnet.com.au> wrote:



>Mullein?  hmmm!   It would probably be a lot more than 90mile from me.  I

>tried the vegetable oil last night and it did give some relief.   Does the

>warm oil break down  any ear wax that is present 



It can.   The warm compresses are what does most of it.  





Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: Simon O'Keeffe <simon@gjames.com.au>

Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 07:50:08 +1000

--------

Hi Gypsy,

    I live in Aus as well. Last year I grew a mullein plant in my garden.

It got very large. They are considered a dangerous weed here.

Mullein grows very fast.

JFYI

Simon.

Gypsy_Witch wrote:



> Mullein?  hmmm!   It would probably be a lot more than 90mile from me.  I

> tried the vegetable oil last night and it did give some relief.   Does the

> warm oil break down  any ear wax that is present  (yuckie topic  sorry)  It

> did appear to "disolve" some.

> Thanks

> Gypsy

> Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:u85vjtcs88rgsv4j489ggq8fhkn3f78hlu@4ax.com...

> > "Wubba" <wendy@SPAMFOOLERcountrytraditions.com> wrote:

> >

> > >Hey Tsu,

> > >

> > >What about mullein?

> >

> >   the closest mullein plant is about a 90-mile drive from here.

> > Vegetable oil is usually in the kitchen cabinet  :)

> >

> >

> >

> > Tsu Dho Nimh

> >

> > The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

> > gets to do it.







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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 03:37:57 GMT

--------





Simon O'Keeffe wrote:



> Hi Gypsy,

>     I live in Aus as well. Last year I grew a mullein plant in my garden.

> It got very large. They are considered a dangerous weed here.

> Mullein grows very fast.

> JFYI

> Simon.

> Gypsy_Witch wrote:

>

> > Mullein?  hmmm!   It would probably be a lot more than 90mile from me.  I

> > tried the vegetable oil last night and it did give some relief.   Does the

> > warm oil break down  any ear wax that is present  (yuckie topic  sorry)  It

> > did appear to "disolve" some.

> > Thanks

> > Gypsy



Marcia:

That and keeping the tympannic membrane "patent" so that it does its normal

vibration thing, and the warming and melting is also supportive to some drainage

within the normal range.  If the eustachian tube is blocked, decongestion may be

needed ( saline nasal sprays, facial steaming, taking in lots of fluids,

including chicken soup)

Take care,

Marcia

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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: "Wubba" <wendy@skywardinternet.com>

Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:37:53 -0400

--------



"Simon O'Keeffe" <simon@gjames.com.au> wrote in message

news:3B423E10.612F8F@gjames.com.au...

> Hi Gypsy,

>     I live in Aus as well. Last year I grew a mullein plant in my garden.

> It got very large. They are considered a dangerous weed here.

> Mullein grows very fast.

> JFYI

> Simon.

~~~~~~~~~~`

Simon,



Why in the world would the plant be considered "dangerous".  Unless it is

due to it growing out of control.  It does like dry sandy/rocky soil,

hmmm....interesting.  It grows everywhere on the banks and rocky soil, where

I live but doesn't seem to be a nusaince plant like kudzu, multiflora rose

etc.



Mullien is chewwed (very fuzzy leaf'd though :o{ ), smoked to inhale the

benefits of the plant directly into the lungs, mashed into poultices, and

made into healing ear oils,etc.  It is wonderful as a tea for bronchial/

mucus membrane trouble...



Wubba

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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:02:09 +0300

--------

"Wubba" <wendy@skywardinternet.com> wrote:



>"Simon O'Keeffe" <simon@gjames.com.au> wrote

>>     I live in Aus as well. Last year I grew a mullein plant in my garden.

>> It got very large. They are considered a dangerous weed here.

>> Mullein grows very fast.

>

>Why in the world would the plant be considered "dangerous".  Unless it is

>due to it growing out of control.  It does like dry sandy/rocky soil,

>hmmm....interesting.  It grows everywhere on the banks and rocky soil, where

>I live but doesn't seem to be a nusaince plant like kudzu, multiflora rose

>etc.



You know of rabbits? Not a nuisance, by any stretch of the imagination, right?

So let's let it go wild, in Straya. We'll have something to hunt, besides

kangaroos. Whoa! Stand back, they're BREEDING!



You know about cats? Not a nuisance, by any stretch of the imagination, right?

We can't leave our pet here in Europe, let's take it with us. Ooops, it looks

like Fluffy had kittens. Well, nevermind, feral cats will take care of the

rabbits. Whoa! Where did all the flightless birds go?



I expect a lot of non-invasive (over here, that is) plants would be considered

dangerous weeds, in straya. As dangerous as, say, rabbits and cats. And for the

same reasons, too: they have no natural enemies.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 04:43:57 -0700

--------

Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:



>"Wubba" <wendy@skywardinternet.com> wrote:

>

>>"Simon O'Keeffe" <simon@gjames.com.au> wrote

>>>     I live in Aus as well. Last year I grew a mullein plant in my garden.

>>> It got very large. They are considered a dangerous weed here.

>>> Mullein grows very fast.

>>

>>Why in the world would the plant be considered "dangerous".  Unless it is

>>due to it growing out of control.  It does like dry sandy/rocky soil,

>>hmmm....interesting.  It grows everywhere on the banks and rocky soil, where

>>I live but doesn't seem to be a nusaince plant like kudzu, multiflora rose

>>etc.



  And much of Australia is dry, rocky soil.  Think Florida and

Meleleuca trees, the west coast and Pampas Grass, Georgia and

kudzu,  most of the west and Russian Thistle  .... better to

import the mullein as dried powdered herbs. 









Tsu Dho Nimh



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gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: "Wubba" <wendy@skywardinternet.com>

Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:35:19 -0400

--------

 I didn't understand that it wasn't a native plant, just that it was

considered "dangerous".  Which is why I asked:



..."Why in the world would the plant be considered "dangerous".  Unless it

is

due to it growing out of control.  It does like dry sandy/rocky soil,

hmmm....interesting"...



I understand about invasive plants and animals completely!!!! We deal with

multifora rose, starlings English sparrows, asian ladybrid beetles (big

ggrrrr!)



I read you loud and clear now  :o)

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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: "Paul Sorenson" <pauls@REMOVE.classware.com.au>

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 23:56:51 GMT

--------

If you make mullein angry by say cutting its leaves off or boiling its

flowers it can get quite agressive but I can usually outrun it.



"Wubba" <wendy@skywardinternet.com> wrote in message

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> I didn't understand that it wasn't a native plant, just that it was

> considered "dangerous".









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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: whome2222@aol.comnospam (Whome 2222)

Date: 03 Jul 2001 18:38:11 GMT

--------

when i was in the er with my son a nurse suggested a hair dryer on low for a

couple min to help and it really helped him a lot with the pain and it seamed

to dry up the infection quicker too 

open your mind you never know where it will take you





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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: "Gypsy_Witch" <gypsy_witch@optusnet.com.au>

Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:54:35 +1000

--------

I have trouble getting her to dry her hair in the dead of winter! :-/   but

I can see how it would work

Whome 2222 <whome2222@aol.comnospam> wrote in message

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> when i was in the er with my son a nurse suggested a hair dryer on low for

a

> couple min to help and it really helped him a lot with the pain and it

seamed

> to dry up the infection quicker too

> open your mind you never know where it will take you









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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 13:28:23 GMT

--------





Gypsy_Witch wrote:



> Greetings all

> I'm Looking for a herbal treatment for ear ache.  My 10yo daughter is

> sufferring at the moment. Im hoping someone will have some advice.

>

> BB

> Gypsy



Marcia:

Some people use mullein oil drops in ears ( or mullein and garlic oil)

and hot/warm packs.  It keeps the tympanic membrane "patent" allowing

normal drainage and it softens wax so that will drain, also.   If the

problem is allergy/viral congestion, drinking lots of good fluids: water,

mild herbal teas or supermarket mixed herbal teas, chicken soup, will

help, especially after facial steaming.   If there is any vertigo, ginger

capsules is my favorite, however, if sugar is not an issue for teeth,

weight or other things, nice chewy crystallized ginger is also helpful.

( Ginger tea is somewhat helpful, but more for flatulence)



Good luck and good health,

Marcia

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Subject: Re: Ear Ache Treatment?

From: "Maria Kluga" <goonies@alphalink.com.au>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:11:39 +1000

--------

Onion oil is beneficial for ear problems, as long as there is no

perforations through the eardrum.  It is made by taking a whole onion, skin

on, wrapping in foil and then suspending the onion over boiling water by

putting a skewer into each end to support it over the pot.  Cook for approx

20 minutes.  Carefully unwrap onion while still hot and squeeze out the

juice from it into a clean container.  Place half teaspoon, approx. into ear

and place a little cotton wool in earhole to stop the oil coming out again.

The onion juice/oil should last for about 3 days if refrigerated.  Repeat

every 3-4 hours.

Hope this helps.









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Subject: Re: Fennel

From: "yew" <nsyew@premier1.net>

Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 04:19:20 -0700

--------

"Marcia Grossbard" wrote

>Fennel, also, as I understand it is anise, and is

>used to make "anice" a syrup for flavoring and a liquer

>called anisette.



Anise (Pimpinella anisum) and fennel (Foeniculum vulgare) are two different

plants with similar flavors.  I find anise to have a warmer, milder taste

and aroma than fennel.  I enjoy them both, though, and just finished making

a batch of anisette with anise, fennel and coriander in a brandy base.

Tasty *and* medicinal.  ;)



Brina









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Subject: Re: Fennel

From: "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net>

Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:46:53 -0500

--------

Fennel is also good for detoxifying the system and treating cellulite and

aging skin.  I use the essential oil in some of my homemade lotions.

"FireWoman" <klhill@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message

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> Can anyone give me some information on Fennel and the benefits of drinking

> Fennel tea?

>

> Thanks!

> FireWoman

>

>









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Subject: Re: Fennel

From: herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle)

Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 17:08:36 GMT

--------

On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:46:53 -0500, "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net> wrote:



>Fennel is also good for detoxifying the system and treating cellulite and

>aging skin.  I use the essential oil in some of my homemade lotions.



>"FireWoman" <klhill@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message

>news:3b3d0a25$0$25501$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...

>> Can anyone give me some information on Fennel and the benefits of drinking

>> Fennel tea?

>>

>> Thanks!

>> FireWoman



Firewoman asked about drinking the tea and the internal benefits.  I was

wondering, P Bishop, what medical/research lab results you can cite to back up

the external use of the EO for the ailments -- detoxification, cellulite and

aging skin -- that you refer to ? I don't accept much anecdotal references,

BTW.



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Subject: Re: Fennel

From: "Don Fort" <dfort@nospam.awod.com>

Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:27:16 -0400

--------

Chewing fennel seeds have been good for nausea, so my bride tells me.

Topical applications, however I leave to the rest of the NG.















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Subject: Re: Fennel

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 8 Jul 2001 17:35:25 GMT

--------

Don Fort <dfort@nospam.awod.com> wrote:

> Chewing fennel seeds have been good for nausea, so my bride tells me.

> Topical applications, however I leave to the rest of the NG.



A chilled tea of fennel herb or fennel seeds with vinegar added is reputed

to be a good "toner" for sensitive acne-prone skin after washing the face.

Eight parts fennel tea to 1 part vinegar, store in the refrigerator.

The vinegar helps remove soap residue and restores the skin's natural

acidity, and the fennel is supposed to be antiseptic and calming to

the skin.



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Subject: Re: Fennel

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:12:08 -0400

--------

   I'm glad someone responded with the correct info. I spotted the error,

but was just TOO tired to fix it.

   Adding to the class of plants with that general flavour are licorice

(Glycirrhiza glabra I think), and sweet cicely (Myrrhis odorata). How

interesting that the same approximate flavor is repeated so often!



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refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

"yew" <nsyew@premier1.net> wrote in message

news:tju1vp5l4k1h36@corp.supernews.com...

> "Marcia Grossbard" wrote

> >Fennel, also, as I understand it is anise, and is

> >used to make "anice" a syrup for flavoring and a liquer

> >called anisette.

>

> Anise (Pimpinella anisum) and fennel (Foeniculum vulgare) are two

different

> plants with similar flavors.  I find anise to have a warmer, milder taste

> and aroma than fennel.  I enjoy them both, though, and just finished

making

> a batch of anisette with anise, fennel and coriander in a brandy base.

> Tasty *and* medicinal.  ;)

>

> Brina

>

>









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Subject: Re: Fennel

From: kathykw@aol.com (KathyKW)

Date: 02 Jul 2001 23:33:09 GMT

--------

>

>Can anyone give me some information on Fennel and the benefits of drinking

>Fennel tea?

>

>Thanks!

>FireWoman

>

>

>

>I   MADE A TEAA   FROM  FENNEL,   FOR MY  COLICY  BABY



WONDERFUL     KATHY

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fennel

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 3 Jul 2001 13:44:45 GMT

--------

Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net> wrote:



>Fennel, also, as I understand it is anise, and is used to make "anice" a syrup

>for flavoring and a liquer called anisette.  Wonderful plant.



Anise and fennel are not properly the same, belonging to two different genera

in the same family (Apiaceae aka Umbelliferae), but in the produce business in

the USA, fennel, the variety grown as a vegetable, is often called anise.

Confusing, no doubt.







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Subject: Re: Witchhaven Herbs

From: baird@newstaff.com (Baird Stafford)

Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:06:34 -0400

--------

Taliesin2 <shane.saylor@verizon.net> wrote:



<snip>



> 5. No lurking. Lurking is considered rude by some. I ask that you post at

> least once a week. Thank you.



I guess I'm just too used to usenet.  I will *not* join a list that

requires me to pipe up even when I have nothing to say - especially when

it's in a field in which I'm conscious of utter ignorance and have

joined to list to cure that condition.  I listen better with my mouth

shut (or my fingers off the keyboard).



<snip>



Blessed be,

Baird





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: buffo frogsd-melaleuca

From: "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com>

Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:15:20 -0400

--------



"LeeCo11" <leeco11@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20010630204812.29917.00002149@ng-fx1.aol.com...

> >Marcia:

> >Melaleuca is tea tree.  Does Florida have the wherewithall to put up a

tea

-------------------------------------

I really should research this before I post (if I get time, I will do it and

re post) but I'm pretty sure it is *not* the same Melaleuca as they use for

tea tree oil.

Carolyn













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: buffo frogs-melaleuca

From: "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com>

Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:54:49 -0400

--------



"Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com> wrote in message

news:9hni7p$hd3$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net...

>

> "LeeCo11" <leeco11@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:20010630204812.29917.00002149@ng-fx1.aol.com...

> > >Marcia:

> > >Melaleuca is tea tree.  Does Florida have the wherewithall to put up a

> tea

> -------------------------------------

> I really should research this before I post (if I get time, I will do it

and

> re post) but I'm pretty sure it is *not* the same Melaleuca as they use

for

> tea tree oil.

> Carolyn



I did some quickie research:   The tea tree is Melaluca alternifolia.  What

we got here in Florida is melaluca quinquernervia.   Some references give

alternate names of cajeput or punk tree.  Yet another reference sez cajeput

is from the Lelaleuca minor or M. Leucadendron.



Jeanne Rose (I know a lot of you don't approve of her, but it's the only

book I have with a reference) says the cajeput oil can be very irritating,

and recommends it be replaced by Tea Tree oil or niaouli oil (melaleuca

viridiflora) or by "melaleuca quinquenervia viridiflora (what we have here

in Florida), or true niaouli,"  she says of the latter :the applications are

similar to tea tree but some find the scent more delicate and sweet than

that of tea tree.



And now back to my life



Carolyn









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Subject: Remedy for water retention?

From: veraaloe@aol.com (VeraAloe)

Date: 01 Jul 2001 19:05:27 GMT

--------

Any suggestions for an herb that helps with  water retention? Thanks.





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Subject: Re: Remedy for water retention?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 13:43:45 -0700

--------

veraaloe@aol.com (VeraAloe) wrote:



>Any suggestions for an herb that helps with  water retention? Thanks.



  First, make sure you are getting ENOUGH water.  It seems wierd,

but the main cause of water retention is chronic low-level

dehydration.  Unless you drink enough water so your body can dump

the excess sodium (enough water so the urine osmolality is lower

than blood osmolality) you retain sodium.  That makes you 'retain

fluid" to keep the sodium diluted



  2-3 quarts a day of PLAIN WATER is what it takes for an adult.

milk, coffee, teas, alcohol, sport drinks and soft drinks don't

copunt as weater, because their osmolality is usually as high or

higher than blood OR they are diuretics.  



  



Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: Remedy for water retention?

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 2 Jul 2001 01:45:13 GMT

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in article

<3l2vjtchti1g2tshbcm5bt7uer4447v9ao@4ax.com>...

> veraaloe@aol.com (VeraAloe) wrote:

> 

> >Any suggestions for an herb that helps with  water retention? Thanks.

> 

>   First, make sure you are getting ENOUGH water.  It seems wierd,

> but the main cause of water retention is chronic low-level

> dehydration.  Unless you drink enough water so your body can dump

> the excess sodium (enough water so the urine osmolality is lower

> than blood osmolality) you retain sodium.  That makes you 'retain

> fluid" to keep the sodium diluted



I second your suggestion...it really does work!  I try to drink 2 liter

bottles of water every day.  Haven't had a problem with retaining water

since I've been doing this...even when I eat a lot of salty food.



Saskia

-- 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

No excuses for not acting...and no mercy for whiners.  









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Subject: Re: Remedy for water retention?

From: "Wubba" <wendy@SPAMFOOLERcountrytraditions.com>

Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:44:02 -0400

--------



VeraAloe <veraaloe@aol.com> wrote in message

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Any suggestions for an herb that helps with  water retention? Thanks.



~~~~~~~~~~~

Dandelion leaves are a diuretic.



If you are concerned with veinus insufficiency, then look into horse

chestnut extract.



Others here can inform you better than I.



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Subject: Re: Remedy for water retention?

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:10:22 +0100

--------

Toya Wilcox recommends carrot and celery juice for fixing water retention

related PMS...







Sue







VeraAloe wrote in message <20010701150527.08445.00001854@ng-fw1.aol.com>...

>Any suggestions for an herb that helps with  water retention? Thanks.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Remedy for water retention?

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 05 Jul 2001 00:59:59 GMT

--------

Chickweed will help rid you of excess water.



Belinda





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Making Jewelweed "Gel"?

From: "K Shelton" <karen@altnature.com>

Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 22:40:51 -0500

--------

Rhuli is clear therefore it cannot possibly contain very much jewelweed.

Jewelweed sap is a definite orange dye as you could tell by my colored

fingertips. I sell a lot of jewelweed products on the net.



Sorry not giving away formula recipes, those are the secrets that keep my

sites running... But...



You can make a strong tea by boiling the chopped up plant in water for 20

mins, then freeze the orange liquid in ice cube trays to use as you need

them. Just rub the cool cubes on affected areas to get fast relief.



Learn more about using wild plants at my web sites.



--

Karen Shelton

Manchester, TN

Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

http://altnature.com

New photo site : www.alternative-herbal-medicine.net



> > > Now that I've figured out what jewelweed is, is there anyway

> > > to make a "gel" out of it, so I can keep it around and have it when I

> need

> > > it?Thanks.Patrick

> >

> > The Rhuligel people(nci) do it.

> > Maybe you can come up with a good combo, or maybe you have to keep

crushed

> > stems in ziploc bags in your freezer.

> > Marcia











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: chili plant

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:53:14 +0100

--------

I have a little chili plant, and it has flowered and produced some green

chilis. Can anyone tell me when is best to pick them. I figured they'd come

off with a gentle tug when ready, but they're hanging on in there still.



Sue











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: chili plant

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 03:43:25 -0700

--------

"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:



>I have a little chili plant, and it has flowered and produced some green

>chilis. Can anyone tell me when is best to pick them. 



  You have to cut them off to use them as 'green chiles'.  When

they ripen, they turn red and are easier to pick. 



  What variety?  



> figured they'd come

>off with a gentle tug when ready, but they're hanging on in there still.







Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: chili plant

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:45:22 +0100

--------

>

>  You have to cut them off to use them as 'green chiles'.  When

>they ripen, they turn red and are easier to pick.





** they've got a while to go then, they're still deep green

>

>  What variety?



>





** I have no idea, my Mum gave it to me. The chilis are pretty small (not

tiny like birds eye tiny ones). Thin, and a little curly - but mostly

straight. Couple of inches long at the most I guess.







Sue













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: chili plant

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 05:01:33 -0700

--------

"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:



>>  You have to cut them off to use them as 'green chiles'.  When

>>they ripen, they turn red and are easier to pick.



>** they've got a while to go then, they're still deep green



  Green is also usable ... just a different flavor along with the

neat.  Pick a couple and try them in salsa.  



>** I have no idea, my Mum gave it to me. The chilis are pretty small (not

>tiny like birds eye tiny ones). Thin, and a little curly - but mostly

>straight. Couple of inches long at the most I guess.



  If they are about the size of your little finger, deep green

and REALLY HOT, with little flavor, just the heat, they are

probably 'chile serrano'.  They ripen into something usually

called 'chile japones" (Japanese chili, for reasons I don't

understand), which is equally hot. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Rooibush tea

From: "Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:21:19 +0100

--------

Hi ya



Seen it around for donkey's yonks but actually got round to buying some

recently.  Nice robust taste, vaguely 'smoky'.  Goes well with milk which I

was a bit surprised about.



No latin name on the box and can't find rooibush (which I'm assuming is

Afrikaans for red bush) in my herb books - anyone know what it is?



cheers,



Nick









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rooibush tea

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 03:48:04 -0700

--------

"Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:



>No latin name on the box and can't find rooibush (which I'm assuming is

>Afrikaans for red bush) in my herb books - anyone know what it is?



Asphalatus linearis  or perhaps Aspalathus linearis



rooibos is the pure Afrikaans name ... and if 1/2 the claims the

vendors make for it are true, it's the cure for half the ills in

the world.  



It does taste good. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rooibush tea

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 2 Jul 2001 12:23:21 GMT

--------



>Seen it around for donkey's yonks but actually got round to buying some

>recently.  Nice robust taste, vaguely 'smoky'.  Goes well with milk which I

>was a bit surprised about.

>

>No latin name on the box and can't find rooibush (which I'm assuming is

>Afrikaans for red bush) in my herb books - anyone know what it is?



Rooibosch.  See the plant-relationships file on my website for its

botanical grouping.



========> Email to "jc" at this site; email to "bogus" will bounce. <========

Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760

http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/purrhome.html  food intolerance data and recipes,

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Subject: Re: Rooibush tea

From: "Jennie  Blechman" <artemis@rmi.net>

Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:13:56 -0600

--------

Hi Nick,

Rooibush is delicious and high in antioxidants if decocted on a low simmer

for 30 minutes. The latin name is Aspalathus linearis. There is a great

article on the tea in the Nov./Dec.2000 issue of Herbs for Health magazine.

I hope this helps.



--

Jennie Blechman,

Clinical Herbalist

http://www.pagosaherbs.com







Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote in message

news:3VX%6.79415$662.342658@news1-hme0...

> Hi ya

>

> Seen it around for donkey's yonks but actually got round to buying some

> recently.  Nice robust taste, vaguely 'smoky'.  Goes well with milk which

I

> was a bit surprised about.

>

> No latin name on the box and can't find rooibush (which I'm assuming is

> Afrikaans for red bush) in my herb books - anyone know what it is?

>

> cheers,

>

> Nick

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: liver cleanse, your opinion?

From: "iam me" <budhaboy@email.com>

Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 17:58:55 GMT

--------

http://www.sensiblehealth.com/

I came across this website the other day and I would like to hear the

opinion of some people who have more experience  with herbs and healing than

I do. There is qutie a bit of info.  Is there any truth in what she is

suggesting?  I generally tend not to trust recommendations from people who

are selling something, but there are always exceptions.  This site seems to

be genuine.... but I'm aware of my own tendency to be naive...



So what do you think?  Quack?  or should I make some new tinctures of

"chinese bitters" ?   Lately I have been getting the feeling that I need to

take better care of my liver...   Other than eating better, is it necessary

to cleanse the liver with specific herbs in order to achieve better health?



Thanks in advance for all of your help, and for contributing to such a

wonderful NG!    -Jeska









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: liver cleanse, your opinion?

From: Julia Maddocks <julia.maddocks@zoom.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 16:40:54 +0100

--------

I tend to be very dubious of treatments that offer to cleanse bits of the body.

Our bodies are brilliantly designed machines, which can cleanse themselves,

given the right environment.  If we eat mostly healthy, unprocessed food, drink

plently of clean water and get regular exercise then I think we can be sure any

ill health is not due to a build up of toxins.  If we eat burgers, drink pop and

watch TV all day, then a cleansing treatment will be tough on a body thats

having a hard time anyway.



Julia



iam me wrote:



> http://www.sensiblehealth.com/

> I came across this website the other day and I would like to hear the

> opinion of some people who have more experience  with herbs and healing than

> I do. There is qutie a bit of info.  Is there any truth in what she is

> suggesting?  I generally tend not to trust recommendations from people who

> are selling something, but there are always exceptions.  This site seems to

> be genuine.... but I'm aware of my own tendency to be naive...

>

> So what do you think?  Quack?  or should I make some new tinctures of

> "chinese bitters" ?   Lately I have been getting the feeling that I need to

> take better care of my liver...   Other than eating better, is it necessary

> to cleanse the liver with specific herbs in order to achieve better health?

>

> Thanks in advance for all of your help, and for contributing to such a

> wonderful NG!    -Jeska



--

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Subject: Re: Yohimbe

From: "Paul Sorenson" <pauls@REMOVE.classware.com.au>

Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 10:16:33 GMT

--------

And here was me thinking that it was the sex that increased the blood

pressure.



"Baird Stafford" <baird@newstaff.com> wrote in message

news:1evrohl.1mfrn4r1cb4z84N%baird@newstaff.com...

> Saskia <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

> > Yohimbe is used as an aphrodisiac.  What it does is to bring blood to

the

> > genito-urinary area which is supposed to enhance sensation during sex.

It

> > stimulates arrousal rather than improves performance.

>

> It also appears to increase overall blood pressure, so individuals with

> cardio-vascular problems might wish to consult their MDs before taking

> it.











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Yohimbe

From: "Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:31:07 +0100

--------



Paul Sorenson <pauls@REMOVE.classware.com.au> wrote in message

news:5Yg07.2643$A5.7593@news1.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au...

> And here was me thinking that it was the sex that increased the blood

> pressure.

>



Tends to be a fairly localized effect though......



Nick









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Newsgroups: alt.support.crohns-colitis,alt.support.ibs,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.health,alt.health.ayurveda

Subject: Great GI doctor in South Florida

From: Rick <rickprvt@mailandnews.com>

Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 08:03:38 -0400

--------

Looking for a good GI doctor that treats Crohns / ileitis.  



I am looking in the Fort Lauderdale Florida area.  That would include

Fort Lauderdale, Boca Raton, and Miami.   



Most important characteristics are:





1. Takes time with each patient

2. Flexible with prescription renewal and treatments.



ANY suggestions would be appreciated.



Since my portable computer doesn"t access newsgroups, please Email me

at rickprvt@mailandnews.com











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Subject: Re: Great GI doctor in South Florida

From: "Pearl L" <pearlee44@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:22:55 GMT

--------

Rick,



I would go to the CCFA site and view the doctors in that area. I would also

go to a CCFA function, preferably a support group. That is where they will

be exchanging information on their doctors no holds barred. I've always

found the best information on how long they take with each patient, how

accessible they are, etc.at a support group.



There are many ways to locate doctors - the American College of

Gastroenterology, the American Gastroenterological Association have sites

and you can locate doctors.



And of course this site. There a individuals on this site, I;m sure who are

located in Florida. I'm sure you will hear from them.



--

Pearl. L

pearlee44@hotmail.com

"Rick" <rickprvt@mailandnews.com> wrote in message

news:kpc3kt0cauk0n5tfeclgkngf0uqbobp4dv@4ax.com...

> Looking for a good GI doctor that treats Crohns / ileitis.

>

> I am looking in the Fort Lauderdale Florida area.  That would include

> Fort Lauderdale, Boca Raton, and Miami.

>

> Most important characteristics are:

>

>

> 1. Takes time with each patient

> 2. Flexible with prescription renewal and treatments.

>

> ANY suggestions would be appreciated.

>

> Since my portable computer doesn"t access newsgroups, please Email me

> at rickprvt@mailandnews.com

>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: To Prevent or Heal Bruises quickly

From: snowshoe@xyz.net (Jan Flora)

Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 05:15:48 -0800

--------

In article <20010619192548.05181.00000057@ng-mb1.aol.com>,

chaosandrebirth@aol.com (Chaosandrebirth) wrote:



>Thanks for your concern for my health.  :)  Actually I just bruise easy...no

>health problems.  :)  i guess some of us just do.

>

>~M



You might try taking more Vitamin C to see if it makes any difference.



   Jan





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: snails and slugs

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 3 Jul 2001 13:44:39 GMT

--------

>>But then wouldn't hedgehogs be likely to eat the garden?



>They are insectivores, not herbivores.



>Tsu Dho Nimh



I guess I was confusing hedgehogs with groundhogs aka woodchucks.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lobelia?

From: "Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:35:52 +0100

--------



Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:kj03jtk46f0084bu03cgjak0tuahm3bv8a@4ax.com...

> Dave <dcampano@neo.rr.com> wrote:

>

> >I've read that Lobelia helps stop cravings for nicotine. Has anyone

> >quit smoking using lobelia? Which would be better, capsules or

> >tincture, what brand?

>

> I've found that Avena (milky seed tincture) works nicely, provided you

REALLY

> want to stop. Just take it whenever you feel the urge for a smoke. I've

combined

> it with Glycyrrhiza tincture (separate bottle), just because.

>



Funnily enough...  licorice is a very common flavouring ingredient in

cigarette tobacco.  Might be some kind of associative thing there with the

licorice taste helping the replacement effect.



Nick









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lobelia?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 00:08:59 +0300

--------

"Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:



>Funnily enough...  licorice is a very common flavouring ingredient in

>cigarette tobacco.  Might be some kind of associative thing there with the

>licorice taste helping the replacement effect.



More likely, it's licorice helping the _lungs_, the digestion, and the adrenals.

It also helps with addictions, but it's not as effective as Avena. But anyway, a

lot of people start to smoke because it helps their digestion ... so strengthen

that and you're rid of the cause for your need to smoke. Then you can get rid of

the addiction.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Lobelia?

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 6 Jul 2001 15:02:25 GMT

--------

"Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote, and Henriette responded:



>Funnily enough...  licorice is a very common flavouring ingredient in

>cigarette tobacco.  Might be some kind of associative thing there with the

>licorice taste helping the replacement effect.



)More likely, it's licorice helping the _lungs_, the digestion, and the adrenals.

)It also helps with addictions, but it's not as effective as Avena. But anyway, a

)lot of people start to smoke because it helps their digestion ... so strengthen

)that and you're rid of the cause for your need to smoke. Then you can get rid of

)the addiction.



)Cheers

)Henriette



I never heard of people starting to smoke because it helps their digestion.

More frequent reasons are peer pressure and "it's cool".  Maybe Marlboro country

looked attractive in the commercials to some viewers.



What part or form of Avena helps with addictions?  Is it oat straw, oat groats,

oats in milky stage, or other?









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Subject: Re: Lobelia?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 18:17:39 +0300

--------

"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net> wrote:

>I never heard of people starting to smoke because it helps their digestion.



Ah, but they don't consciously know that. Tobacco gets heat to your guts (and

lungs). If you have a "cold" digestion (or "cold" lungs) you feel better if you

smoke ... for a while. Then you're hooked on the nicotine (and, in commercial

tobacco, other addictives) and can't stop.



>What part or form of Avena helps with addictions?  Is it oat straw, oat groats,

>oats in milky stage, or other?



Fresh Avena seed tincture. I said that in my first post in this thread.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Lobelia?

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:16:00 -0400

--------

   Let me jump on this one, Henriette. I have often wondered if my deceased

mom was an undiagnosed asthmatic, and whether perchance cigarettes allowed

her to have an effective cough to loosen up thickened secretions. Is it such

a condition as this- asthma or the thick secretions characteristic of it- to

which you refer by the term 'cold'? I take it that that terminology is from

some other sort of nomenclature- like ginger is supposed to be 'warm' and

camphor (I think) 'cold'.

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

"Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

news:kclbktg1f215fe4tpq4sn1i90p0pvflh52@4ax.com...

> "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net> wrote:

> >I never heard of people starting to smoke because it helps their

digestion.

>

> Ah, but they don't consciously know that. Tobacco gets heat to your guts

(and

> lungs). If you have a "cold" digestion (or "cold" lungs) you feel better

if you

> smoke ... for a while. Then you're hooked on the nicotine (and, in

commercial

> tobacco, other addictives) and can't stop.

>

> >What part or form of Avena helps with addictions?  Is it oat straw, oat

groats,

> >oats in milky stage, or other?

>

> Fresh Avena seed tincture. I said that in my first post in this thread.

>

> Henriette

>

> --

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Subject: Mouth ulcer ?

From: "Steve Payne" <s-payne@physics.tamu.edu>

Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:57:34 -0500

--------

Is there an Herb to help heal a mouth ulcer?





Thanks

Steve



--











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Subject: Re: Mouth ulcer ?

From: "Graham" <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:54:52 +0100

--------





> Is there an Herb to help heal a mouth ulcer?

>

>

> Thanks

> Steve



Hi Steve.



The thing that has worked for me, and many others have agreed with it,

is to use the Essential Oil of Myrrh, On drop in a paper cup of about

2 or 3 ounces of water. use as a mouth wash, DO NOT SWOLLOW. Spit it

out.



from my website



Myrrh



     Commiphora Myrrha, C. Molmol, Balsamodendrom myrra (Family,

Burseraceae)





Perfume Note=Base



     The sap or resin from a tree rather than a true essential oil. A

smokey, mysterious oil, centering, visualizing and

     meditative. One of the oldest-known perfume materials. Myrrh has

a long history of use as incense, especially with

     frankincense. Add to cream for protecting against cracking and

chapping in the cold. Add to gargle and

     mouthwash. Used as a fixitive in perfumery Warning During

pregnancy use Myrrh only in moderation.

     Source: resin, Somalia

     production method: steam distillation

     aromatherapy class: toning, stimulating, soothing

     aroma type: balsamic

     skin type: dry, aging/mature

     traditional use: insect repellent, antiseptic, anti-inflammatory

agent, emollient

     blends well with: clove, olibanum, galbanum, lanender, patchouli,

sandalwood

     Safety Information: use  recommended dilution or less

     Main constituents:- Heerabolene, limone, dipentene, pinene,

eugenol.







--

Graham Sorenson

A reciprocal link would be appreciated but is not obligatory.

The Guide to Aromatherapy  http://TheGuideToAromatherapy.com

AKA http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk

Hundreds of links to alternative health sites Hundreds of UK, USA,

Australian aromatherapy suppliers  and practitioners listed.











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Subject: Re: Mouth ulcer ?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:47:00 -0700

--------

"Steve Payne" <s-payne@physics.tamu.edu> wrote:



>Is there an Herb to help heal a mouth ulcer?

>



What is the cause of the ulcer?  Oral cancer often stasrts out as

a sore that won't heal.  And some vitamin deficiencies have mouth

ulcers as one symptom.  







Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: Mouth ulcer ?

From: Julia Maddocks <julia.maddocks@zoom.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 09:19:06 +0100

--------

eating too much sugar can give you mouth ulcers too



Julia



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:



> "Steve Payne" <s-payne@physics.tamu.edu> wrote:

>

> >Is there an Herb to help heal a mouth ulcer?

> >

>

> What is the cause of the ulcer?  Oral cancer often stasrts out as

> a sore that won't heal.  And some vitamin deficiencies have mouth

> ulcers as one symptom.

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

> gets to do it.











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Subject: Re: Mouth ulcer ?

From: Marcia White <moonphoenix@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 23:06:22 -0500

--------

Greetings,



I'm new to the list and have enjoyed and found useful the postings so

far.  Please forgive any faux pas as I generally listen in rather than

participate actively.



I've had problems with mouth ulcers most of my life.  I've noticed

that eating too many sweets would usually cause an infestation of

mouth ulcers, as well as biting my tongue or inside of my mouth while

eating.  It was really bad when I had braces as a teenager, as any cut

on the inside of my mouth would bring a mouth ulcer.



Recently someone suggested Tea Tree Oil to help heal them.  It works,

but because it is poisoness if swallowed, I suggest caution when using

it.  I tried undiluted and found the taste and strength of it very

unpleasant.  Since then I found a mouthwash with Tea Tree Oil in it at

a health food store, and found it helped. 



Marcia White



 

On Wed, 04 Jul 2001 09:19:06 +0100, Julia Maddocks

<julia.maddocks@zoom.co.uk> wrote:



>eating too much sugar can give you mouth ulcers too

>

>Julia

>

>Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

>

>> "Steve Payne" <s-payne@physics.tamu.edu> wrote:

>>

>> >Is there an Herb to help heal a mouth ulcer?

>> >

>>

>> What is the cause of the ulcer?  Oral cancer often stasrts out as

>> a sore that won't heal.  And some vitamin deficiencies have mouth

>> ulcers as one symptom.

>>

>> Tsu Dho Nimh

>>

>> The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

>> gets to do it.

>

>







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Subject: Re: Mouth ulcer ?

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:43:21 GMT

--------





Marcia White wrote:



> Greetings,

>

> I'm new to the list and have enjoyed and found useful the postings so

> far.  Please forgive any faux pas as I generally listen in rather than

> participate actively.

>

> I've had problems with mouth ulcers most of my life.  I've noticed

> that eating too many sweets would usually cause an infestation of

> mouth ulcers, as well as biting my tongue or inside of my mouth while

> eating.  It was really bad when I had braces as a teenager, as any cut

> on the inside of my mouth would bring a mouth ulcer.

>

> Recently someone suggested Tea Tree Oil to help heal them.  It works,

> but because it is poisoness if swallowed, I suggest caution when using

> it.  I tried undiluted and found the taste and strength of it very

> unpleasant.  Since then I found a mouthwash with Tea Tree Oil in it at

> a health food store, and found it helped.Marcia White



I like Biotene (nci) mouthwash with a squirt of chapparal tincture, a few

droplets of GSE and sometimes 1 or 2 drops of oil of oregano to the whole

bottle.  I also include aloevera 99% gel from the tube on my toothbrush, and my

mouth and gums are doing better.

Marcia (G.)

---





>

>

>







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Subject: Re: Mouth ulcer ?

From: "Graham" <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:40:13 +0100

--------

>

> Marcia White wrote:

>

> > Greetings,

> >

> > I'm new to the list and have enjoyed and found useful the postings

so

> > far.  Please forgive any faux pas as I generally listen in rather

than

> > participate actively.

> >

> > I've had problems with mouth ulcers most of my life.  I've noticed

> > that eating too many sweets would usually cause an infestation of

> > mouth ulcers, as well as biting my tongue or inside of my mouth

while

> > eating.  It was really bad when I had braces as a teenager, as any

cut

> > on the inside of my mouth would bring a mouth ulcer.

> >

> > Recently someone suggested Tea Tree Oil to help heal them.  It

works,

> > but because it is poisoness if swallowed, I suggest caution when

using

> > it.  I tried undiluted and found the taste and strength of it very

> > unpleasant.  Since then I found a mouthwash with Tea Tree Oil in

it at

> > a health food store, and found it helped.Marcia White

>

> I like Biotene (nci) mouthwash with a squirt of chapparal tincture,

a few

> droplets of GSE and sometimes 1 or 2 drops of oil of oregano to the

whole

> bottle.  I also include aloevera 99% gel from the tube on my

toothbrush, and my

> mouth and gums are doing better.

> Marcia (G.)





Good but don't use "Essential Oil of Oregano". The "oil of oregano" is

highly diluted (Dr Cass's stuff) it is about 10% oregano essential oil

and 90% olive oil.











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Subject: Re: Mouth ulcer ?

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:50:53 GMT

--------





Graham wrote:



> >

> > Marcia White wrote:

> >

> > > Greetings,

> > >

> > > I'm new to the list and have enjoyed and found useful the postings

> so

> > > far.  Please forgive any faux pas as I generally listen in rather

> than

> > > participate actively.

> > >

> > > I've had problems with mouth ulcers most of my life.  I've noticed

> > > that eating too many sweets would usually cause an infestation of

> > > mouth ulcers, as well as biting my tongue or inside of my mouth

> while

> > > eating.  It was really bad when I had braces as a teenager, as any

> cut

> > > on the inside of my mouth would bring a mouth ulcer.

> > >

> > > Recently someone suggested Tea Tree Oil to help heal them.  It

> works,

> > > but because it is poisoness if swallowed, I suggest caution when

> using

> > > it.  I tried undiluted and found the taste and strength of it very

> > > unpleasant.  Since then I found a mouthwash with Tea Tree Oil in

> it at

> > > a health food store, and found it helped.Marcia White

> >

> > I like Biotene (nci) mouthwash with a squirt of chapparal tincture,

> a few

> > droplets of GSE and sometimes 1 or 2 drops of oil of oregano to the

> whole

> > bottle.  I also include aloevera 99% gel from the tube on my

> toothbrush, and my

> > mouth and gums are doing better.

> > Marcia (G.)

>

> Good but don't use "Essential Oil of Oregano". The "oil of oregano" is

> highly diluted (Dr Cass's stuff) it is about 10% oregano essential oil

> and 90% olive oil.



Thanks. However, I get a very strong Essential oil of oregano, and two

drops can go a long way.

Marcia (G)

---









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Subject: Re: The Psychopharmacology of Herbal Medicine

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:45:32 -0700

--------

bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address) wrote:



>This is at least the third time this has been posted here; the first time

>included a vast graphic file.



  Do what I did ... forward the spam back to the addresses at the

press and MIT, askling them to stop spamming. 



>

>MIT Press seems to make a specialty of this.  They abuse the mathematics

>groups just as badly.

>

>========> Email to "jc" at this site; email to "bogus" will bounce. <========

>Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760

>http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/purrhome.html  food intolerance data and recipes,

>freeware logic fonts for the Macintosh, and Scots traditional music resources





Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Looking for a good medical doctor and diagnostician 

From: Scout <scout2001@mailandnews.com>

Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 00:00:44 -0400

--------

I am looking for a good medical diagnostician and detective.  

My main symptom is all the exhaustion and brain fog that causes me to

be bedridden. 



The MOST significant problems in my body are: Ileitis, Malabsortpion,

LeakyGut, and Candida.

Also, too many Too many T suppressors given # of helpers. There are an

adequate number of T helper cells, though.    

	

In my body, the following things are TOO HI:  Cholesterol, T

suppressor cells, Stomach Acidity

 

In my body, the following things are TOO LOW:  : Glucose is usually

65, , UnderArm Temperature usually 96.4,

Chromium,Magnesium,Manganese,Thyroid, Globulin, Blood Pressure, 



In my body, holistic doctors say I have

IMBALANCED:Kidney-Spleen-Pancreas-Thyroid-Thymus .



What types of tests should be done?   What are possible causes of this

exhaustion and brain fog?  When I get all the exhaustion and brain

fog, is there some test that will show what chemicals are being

released into my brain?  I think that melatonin or something is

putting me right to sleep.



Any help or web sites or books would be appreciated.   It would be

great if you could recommend a great medical diagnostician that can

take the time with a patient like me.  



Since my PDA can not access the newsgroups, please Email me at

scout2001@mailandnews.com



Thank you in advance.











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Subject: Re: Looking for a good medical doctor and diagnostician

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 4 Jul 2001 12:18:42 GMT

--------

Scout <scout2001@mailandnews.com> wrote in article

<p455ktgbj9b6njb6m6gj5r7old8q0slmm3@4ax.com>...

> I am looking for a good medical diagnostician and detective.  

> My main symptom is all the exhaustion and brain fog that causes me to

> be bedridden. 

> 

> The MOST significant problems in my body are: Ileitis, Malabsortpion,

> LeakyGut, and Candida.

> Also, too many Too many T suppressors given # of helpers. There are an

> adequate number of T helper cells, though.    



My disclaimer:  I'm not an MD or health professional.  But I do have

experience with a systemic yeast infection.  I had one for quite a while.



First, as Russ said, get checked for HIV.  Free clinics will usually do the

anonymous testing.  They give you a number rather than take your name.  If

you come up negative, then try an experiment with the yeast.



A systemic yeast infection can cause quite a few of the things you

mentioned.  The foggy feeling comes from the fact that they give off

something that is the equivalent of alcohol.



As an experiment, get yourself a bottle of Kyolic brand garlic capsules...I

used the ones with the green label.  They're the best ones I've used for

the yeast because they are standardized in their active ingredient dosage. 

And if it's not yeast, the worst side effect is that you'll smell like and

burp garlic for a day or two.



Start by taking 2 capsules every 4 hours.  If you have a yeast infection,

you'll start feeling pretty bad from the die-off...stomach upset and a lot

of intestinal churning.  Your bowel movements on the second or third day

may have a lot of white in them - again from the die-off.  Eventually, they

will return to their normal color.  Depending on the intensity of your

infection, you can feel pretty awful for about a week.  Yeast die-off

releases a lot of toxins, so make sure you drink a lot of water to flush

your system.  



At the end of the week, or once you start feeling better, start easing up

on the dosage...to maybe 1 capsule every 6 hours for a while, then down to

1 in the morning and one before bed.



There are mainstream medical medications like Diflucan, which knock out

yeast, but seem to work only on the weaker varieties...and they are pretty

rough on your body.  They are rarely used long-term.  



What got rid of my yeast infection was using the garlic to clean out what I

could, and then grapefruit seed extract daily for quite a while.  It tastes

nasty, but worked quite well.



If you have a problem with yeast, stay away from sweets, fruit,

breads...anything that contains large amounts of sugar or starch or

anything with yeast.



Good luck.



Saskia



PS.  I can't find the URL right now, but there's a woman who has a great

site on Candida and systemic yeast infections.  I think her name is Anne. 

You can probably find it by using "systemic yeast" as a search criteria on

Yahoo.

-- 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

No excuses for not acting...and no mercy for whiners.  









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Subject: Re: Looking for a good medical doctor and diagnostician

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 5 Jul 2001 00:28:00 GMT

--------



> My main symptom is all the exhaustion and brain fog that causes me to

> be bedridden.

> The MOST significant problems in my body are: Ileitis, Malabsortpion,

> LeakyGut, and Candida.

> Also, too many Too many T suppressors given # of helpers. There are an

> adequate number of T helper cells, though.



That would appear to rule out HIV, though it won't hurt to get a test

for it.



Maybe a test for HTLV-1 as well?  That causes T-cell lymphoma, which

usually affects the skin (mycosis fungoides) but can affect the gut

too.  Very unpredictable in effects and severity, usually treatable.



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Subject: Re: Looking for a good medical doctor and diagnostician

From: Russ <russdude@-potroast-usa.net>

Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:36:09 GMT

--------

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Actually there is a RANGE in which CD4 (helper cells) are considered normal.  One

could be within  that normal range and still have a CD-8 (suppresser cell) count

that is too high, particularly with HIV.  While many simply focus on viral load,

CD-4 count and percentage, the actual ratio of CD4s to CD8s can be important

also.  I'm not saying that this indicates they are positive, simply that it would

be a good thing to check due to some of the other symptoms and the suppresser

cell count.



bogus address wrote:



> > My main symptom is all the exhaustion and brain fog that causes me to

> > be bedridden.

> > The MOST significant problems in my body are: Ileitis, Malabsortpion,

> > LeakyGut, and Candida.

> > Also, too many Too many T suppressors given # of helpers. There are an

> > adequate number of T helper cells, though.

>

> That would appear to rule out HIV, though it won't hurt to get a test

> for it.

>

> Maybe a test for HTLV-1 as well?  That causes T-cell lymphoma, which

> usually affects the skin (mycosis fungoides) but can affect the gut

> too.  Very unpredictable in effects and severity, usually treatable.

>

> ========> Email to "jc" at this site; email to "bogus" will bounce. <========

> Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760

> http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/purrhome.html  food intolerance data and recipes,

> freeware logic fonts for the Macintosh, and Scots traditional music resources



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Subject: Re: Looking for a good medical doctor and diagnostician

From: Foxfire <foxfire@piglet.ASARian.org>

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:37:25 -0400 (EDT)

--------

(long)  

I've tried to summarize years of library/net research here. 

There's a lot of bio tech info, but I think that is what you want. 



Low body temp is the principle red flag in your list. Nothing else will

work quite the way it should without an adequate body temp. This may be

partly due to an inefficiency of protein enzyme production at lower temps. 

It also signals a supply or usage deficiency of thyroid, adrenal, (maybe

growth hormone, melatonin, endorphin), and/or other hormones. These

stimulate the production of cellular heat and protein replication,

probably in the mitochondria (an organelle inside most cells). 



Low temp plus the rest of your symptoms list sounds a lot like chronic

fatigue syndrome (CFS). CFS seems closely related to fibromyalgia (FMS),

but you don't mention prominent FMS tender points. 



CFS is diagnosed mostly by an exclusion of everything else. I agree with

the previous posters about getting an anon HIV test. You might consider a

syphilis test too, since syph is known as a mimic of other diseases. Also,

I suggest a TB patch test.  TB patch tests are usually available free or

for a few dollars from county health departments in the U.S.  According to

the late Broda Barnes, M.D., anyone with low body temperature is at

greater risk for TB (ref.books listed at www.brodabarnes.org ). If you

have gotten several routine serum master chemistries done in the past, you

could collect copies of them and make a line graph of the results of each

sub-test over time (serum potassium, calcium, etc.); you may or may not

eventually notice something interesting. 



Why CFS-FMS should have become a minor epidemic in the last 20 years is

hotly debated by physicians. There are now so many web sites on the

subjects of CFS and FMS that I can't read them all. Some of them contain

lists of local physicians who were recommended by their CFS-FMS patients. 



Of several famous docs on the web, I'm most interested in what Jacob

Teitelbaum, MD writes, because he thinks that there is currently no magic

CFS bullet. He thinks that one's best chance for functional improvement

lies in dozens of little fixes and improvements. He has a long, long list

of things to try (probably on his site at www.endfatigue.com which is down

at the current time). He also has a well-known book "From Fatigued to

Fantastic". There's also short sample of his advice at

fibrocloud.homestead.com/transcript.html



Dr. Devin Starlanyl, M.D. has a very useful "Devin's Diagnostic" at

http://www.sover.net/~devstar/phsympt.htm 

This is Devin's lengthy collection of symptoms most often reported. It is

for FMS mostly, but strike out the symptoms which you don't have, (and add

things not mentioned) to help your physicians get a more complete picture

of your CFS profile.



Dr. R. Paul St. Amand, M.D., has a specific treatment for FMS, guaifenesin

with a low salicylate diet at http://www.guaidoc.com 

The take he has is that when "natural" herbs and cosmetics contain

salicylates, they could make a patient worse. This very well could be

true. People who lack adequate adrenal function tolerate the natural world

not so well. 



I suppose that your serum thyroid must be only slightly low or you would

already have been offered thyroid hormone supplements by your previous

doctor. Dr. Teitelbaum frequently recommends it. Natural thyroid extract

is superior to synthetic thyroxine/T4 (Synthroid). Natural thyroid extract

doesn't have quite enough thyronine/T3, so a small amount of added

synthetic thyronine (Cytomel) is ideal. 



You may also need some forms of adrenal supplements as well. DHEA is

available over the counter (I like Nature's Plus DHEA Spray for precise

dosing). Prescription hydrocortisone is adrenal serum cortisol in a pill. 

Semisynthetic prednisone is also useful for people who retain too much

water from hydrocortisone. But this is a tricky problem since continuous

adrenal steroid supplements tend to suppress other hormones. Intermittent

dosing is an approach to try, particularly if you have flares (periods

where you get worse). Flare dosing with wrong amount and bad timing could

also make you worse by rebound. The idea is to raise your metabolic

baseline without causing heavy cycling (like ocean waves and beach

breakers).



Worth trying is licorice root tea, a simple alternative to adrenal steroid

supplements. Licorice makes the adrenal that you have last longer by

breaking down the enzyme that breaks down the adrenal. People used to the

convenience of pills, tend to find herbal teas to be an inconvenient

adjustment. Making a two day supply in a microwave oven is a bit easier. 

If an adequate licorice dose hasn't worked in two weeks time, it probably

isn't going to work.



"IMBALANCED:Kidney-Spleen-Pancreas-Thyroid-Thymus": I assume this is a TCM

diagnosis, and IIRC, Kidney rules the other organs. In Western bio-med,

adrenal more or less equals TCM Kidney. There are TCM herbal formulas

which are specific for Kidney (including plain licorice). Decocted and

dried tea granules look like the most convenient modern form. But good

luck finding and paying for them. 



If you have hyperacidity, it may immediately respond to about 2 grams per

day of calcium-magnesium (or the Ca-Mg with zinc is probably ok, too). 

Other nutrients to try daily are a large B-100mg-complex multiple with a

long list of trace minerals, 1500mg of Vitamin C (more during illness), at

least 400 IUs of oil vitamin E (if you can afford dry E, slowly add

another 1000 IUs or so. 3000 IUs is the useable limit). If you don't eat

daily olive oil or flax oil, omega-3 & 6 fatty acids supplements may also

be prudent. 



For the high (bad LDL) cholesterol, try 500mg daily of no-flush niacin. If

you can adjust to it, a gradual switch to flush niacin might be a health

improver due to the vasodilation. Since most people adapt to the flushing

effect, it may not matter. 



Enough ginseng tea may well raise your blood pressure to normal. IIRC

about 10% of the population is very sensitive to this effect, so keep

track of your BP numbers. Thyroid extract should increase the systolic

pressure, at least.



All of your gut troubles may be adrenal related. The apparent reason for

this is that intestinal cells are among the most frequently replaced. 

Adrenal (and thyroid) are needed to replicate proteins for new cells. A

high percentage of all the daily serum adrenal cortisol has been traced to

receptors in the intestines. Low adrenal means a thin gut wall, and of

course, it leaks (meaning that the foreign protein blocking function is

poor).



If you have minor but annoying gut pains (from ileitis), you may find that

fresh ginger root tea may give you some relief: Add 4 slices of 1" root to

a cup of boiling water; let steep until it cools to drinking temperature. 

Or 20 slices to a 3 qt. bowl; microwave 15 min on high; 45 min on low; add

back the lost water. I prefer a heaping tablespoon of raw sugar per cup,

but your gut may not digest that ingredient well. (For non-gut heating

reasons, I also add cinnamon sticks to boil and 8-10 drops of cassia

(Chinese cinnamon) oil to the final decanted bottle of tea; the cassia oil

must be thoroughly shaken in, or little drops of it will burn one's lips.)



The brain fog (aka, "fibro fog") seems to be the result of low organic

energy generally, and low neurotransmitters specifically. Dr. Teitelbaum

recommends dexedrine, but thanks to the WOSD, you are unlikely to obtain

any. I use 100mg doses of caffeine (the yellow caplets broken in half). 

Docs will offer you SSRI's, but it has been quietly reported that long

term use of SSRI's could result in tardive dyskinesia. See "Prozac

Backlash" By Joseph Glenmullen

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/g/glenmullen-prozac.html



The root causes of CFS are not formally known, but the theories seem to

divide into six main camps:



1) Lack of adequate stage 4 delta-wave sleep, particularly in the brain

hypothalamus (due to alpha-wave intrusion, sleep apnea, or many kinds of

drugs). Classic hormones are chain-released by pre-homones which are

secreted by hypothalamic tissues during delta sleep.



2) CFS patients have low adrenal, period. Dr. Gerald E. Poesnecker

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/Chap%202%202000.html claims that low adrenal

has caused CFS under other names since first recognized a hundred years

ago. The real problem is how to supplement the 40 to 50 members of the

adrenal hormone family without causing classic adrenal-pituitary

suppression.



3) CFS patients have a malfunctioning immune system, parts of which are

overactive. The immune system thinks you have a permanent cold virus and

diverts energy into fighting it, but it's just a phantom. 



4) CFS patients are infected with a stubborn virus, which amounts to

something less than a permanent cold. Members of the herpes or polio

family are frequently mentioned.



5) CFS patients have post-polio syndrome, either because they had a silent

case of polio 30 years ago, or speculatively, the Sabin live polio vaccine

was not as weakened for some people as for others. Post-polio symptoms

seem identical to CFS in the first analysis. They are thought to result

from too few neurons trying to operate too many muscle cells, in

combination with 30 years of normal aging. 



6) Debris clogged mitochondria fail to produce enough heat and enzymes

because the adenosine-tri-phosphate (ATP) energy cycle has been stalled by

some alien chemical. (Phosphoric acid in colas? Salycilates in meds and

food?)



Of course, some or all of the six theories might be true, and more than

one might be true in the same patient. That could explain part of the

confusion which has prevented a solid differential diagnosis of CFS-FMS

for so many decades. 



Sean

(Not A Doc, And I May Be Wrong  :)

---





Scout <scout2001@mailandnews.com> wrote in message

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> I am looking for a good medical diagnostician and detective.  

> My main symptom is all the exhaustion and brain fog that causes me to

> be bedridden. 

> 

> The MOST significant problems in my body are: Ileitis, Malabsortpion,

> LeakyGut, and Candida.

> Also, too many Too many T suppressors given # of helpers. There are an

> adequate number of T helper cells, though.    

>  

> In my body, the following things are TOO HI:  Cholesterol, T

> suppressor cells, Stomach Acidity

>  

> In my body, the following things are TOO LOW:  : Glucose is usually

> 65, , UnderArm Temperature usually 96.4,

> Chromium,Magnesium,Manganese,Thyroid, Globulin, Blood Pressure, 

> 

> In my body, holistic doctors say I have

> IMBALANCED:Kidney-Spleen-Pancreas-Thyroid-Thymus .

> 

> What types of tests should be done?   What are possible causes of this

> exhaustion and brain fog?  When I get all the exhaustion and brain

> fog, is there some test that will show what chemicals are being

> released into my brain?  I think that melatonin or something is

> putting me right to sleep.

> 

> Any help or web sites or books would be appreciated.   It would be

> great if you could recommend a great medical diagnostician that can

> take the time with a patient like me.  

> 

> Since my PDA can not access the newsgroups, please Email me at

> scout2001@mailandnews.com

> 

> Thank you in advance.











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Subject: White Accacia and Nettle herbal essences'  uses?

From: "Adriana Kamenetsky" <adrianakusa@home.com>

Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 06:51:30 GMT

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Hello,



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Subject: Re: White Accacia and Nettle herbal essences'  uses?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 12:19:52 +0300

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"Adriana Kamenetsky" <adrianakusa@home.com> wrote:



>Could anyone tell me the uses for White Accacia and Nettle herbal essences, please. Thank you, AK



We might, if you could tell us what herbal essences are.



 Flower remedies?

 Essential oils?

 Syrups?

 Tinctures?

 Teas?

 Other?



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: White Accacia and Nettle herbal essences'  uses?

From: "Adriana Kamenetsky" <adrianakusa@home.com>

Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 17:35:08 GMT

--------

Sorry, the flower essences of White Accacia  and Nettle in alcohol. Thanks.

AK

"Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

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> "Adriana Kamenetsky" <adrianakusa@home.com> wrote:

>

> >Could anyone tell me the uses for White Accacia and Nettle herbal

essences, please. Thank you, AK

>

> We might, if you could tell us what herbal essences are.

>

>  Flower remedies?

>  Essential oils?

>  Syrups?

>  Tinctures?

>  Teas?

>  Other?

>

> Cheers

> Henriette

>

> --

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Subject: Re: White Accacia and Nettle herbal essences'  uses?

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 00:38:19 GMT

--------





Adriana Kamenetsky wrote:



> Sorry, the flower essences of White Accacia  and Nettle in alcohol. Thanks.

> AK

>



Flower essences are similar to homeopathic dilutions and the display in your

healthfood and/or "yuppy" supermarket should have a brief description or a

hanging booklet with the information you want. Rescue Remedy is for fear, etc.,

Star of Bethlem is for grief, and that is all I know.  Well the grief essence

did help me be sympathic at wakes when I was grieving for my own loss, and so

did homeopathic ignatia, and there may have been something herbal equivalent or

better.

Marcia

---







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Subject: Regional Herb-finding Guide?

From: Jason Dax Hays <jasondh@ipa.spamless.net>

Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 15:54:49 GMT

--------

Hello all,



I was wondering if anyone knows about a book or website that might help me 

to find herbs in the wild and give the herbs most likely to be found in 

certain regional areas as well.  I live in Arkansas, with lots of woods, 

and I'd love to be able to go out and find fresh herbs in the wild.  On a 

side note, I am most interested in the ones that have psychotropic effects, 

i.e. dream-enhancing, etc.  Any general advice about such things, however, 

would be most welcome.



-- 

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you might encounter upon attempting to contact me.



Thanks





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Subject: Re: Regional Herb-finding Guide?

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 00:33:34 GMT

--------





Jason Dax Hays wrote:



> Hello all,

>

> I was wondering if anyone knows about a book or website that might help me

> to find herbs in the wild and give the herbs most likely to be found in

> certain regional areas as well.  I live in Arkansas, with lots of woods,

> and I'd love to be able to go out and find fresh herbs in the wild.  On a

> side note, I am most interested in the ones that have psychotropic effects,

> i.e. dream-enhancing, etc.  Any general advice about such things, however,

> would be most welcome.

>

> --

> Remove "spamless" in my email address to dispense with any unpleasantness

> you might encounter upon attempting to contact me.

>

> Thanks



USDA has a website on either weeds or wildflowers with reasonable pictures, and

enature dot com has wildflower pictures, also ( with lots of computer "cookies"

when you use that site, but the pictures are worth a look.

Marcia

---









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Subject: herbs for varicose & spider veins??

From: "Linda" <ljinmt@wans.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 01:52:32 GMT

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Hi Does anyone  know of any specific herbs tthat might be good for spider &

varicose veins/?????

I had read about horse chestnut maybe being good for this....can anyone help

here with info?? I would greatly appreciate it!

thanks









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Subject: Re: herbs for varicose & spider veins??

From: "iam me" <budhaboy@email.com>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:47:25 GMT

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Hi Linda,

In "Herbal healing for women" Rosemary Gladstar recommends starting with

your diet for prevention and treatment of  varicose veins.



Vitamin C and related bioflavinoids strengthen the capillaries & are

beneficial for healing them if they are injured.  Foods high in

bioflavinoids and C include buckwheat, nettles, rose hips, oranges, lemons,

grapefruit, peppers, whole grains, & hibiscus flowers.



The allium family, which includes garlic, onion, chives, and leeks helps

maintain elasticity in the veins and capillaries.



this astringent liniment is recommended:

1 pt yarrow

1pt shepard's purse

1pt calendula

1/4pt cayenne



cover herbs with either vinegar or witch hazel  and let sit for 2 or 3

weeks.  Strain and rebottle.  Rub liniment up the legs toward the heart 2-3

times a day using a soft cotton cloth.



for more info on making tinctures go to the faq for this ng

http://ibiblio.org/herbmed/faqs/medi-4-2-tinctures.html



hope this helps!  -Jeska



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> Hi Does anyone  know of any specific herbs tthat might be good for spider

&

> varicose veins/?????

> I had read about horse chestnut maybe being good for this....can anyone

help

> here with info?? I would greatly appreciate it!

> thanks

>

>









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Subject: INFO: Red Clover (Trifolium pratense)

From: Tracy <nospam@myserver.tnx>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 03:32:25 GMT

--------

Hi,

    First of all I'd like to say I'm new to herbs as such, but was

informed Red Clover is very good for bronchial infections. What I

would like to know is where I could go about collecting such flowers.

I live in the UK and as far as I'm aware they do grow here. Then, one

I've got the Red Clover can anyone suggest how I use it?

 I would purchase capsules that are available but to be honest If I

can do it myself I'd rather... 



Regards

Tracy





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Subject: Re: INFO: Red Clover (Trifolium pratense)

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 5 Jul 2001 04:17:35 GMT

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Tracy <nospam@myserver.tnx> wrote in article

<bon7ktkefuru9u9f4h4q2d1n4hvpf11jsh@4ax.com>...

> Hi,

>     First of all I'd like to say I'm new to herbs as such, but was

> informed Red Clover is very good for bronchial infections. What I

> would like to know is where I could go about collecting such flowers.

> I live in the UK and as far as I'm aware they do grow here. Then, one

> I've got the Red Clover can anyone suggest how I use it?

>  I would purchase capsules that are available but to be honest If I

> can do it myself I'd rather... 



I haven't heard of using it for bronchial infections, but I do know it's a

very good general system cleanser...and it tastes pretty good, too.



The flowers are the part I use.  Gather when they're in full bloom and dry

them.  They're in bloom this time of year in the Great Lakes area of the

US.   You can make a tea or tincture out of them.



As for the capsules, the problem with that is that you never know how long

the things have been on the shelf.  If you do it yourself, you know that

you're getting the herb fresh.



Saskia

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Subject: Re: INFO: Red Clover (Trifolium pratense)

From: Julia Maddocks <julia.maddocks@zoom.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:05:53 +0100

--------

Take care where you gather them too - you don't want them to be

contaminated with exhaust fumes (by the road) or cat pee.



Alternatively you can buy the dried herb from Culpeppers or Neals Yard

Remedies (both in England)



Julia







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Subject: Aloe Vera

From: "Zam" <inter-network-solutions@australiamail.com>

Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 23:04:34 +1000

--------

Hi, I want to use aloe vera (fresh) as a healthy drink, can any tell me how

I can do this and what doses to use?

thanks,

Zam.









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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:28:08 GMT

--------





Zam wrote:



> Hi, I want to use aloe vera (fresh) as a healthy drink, can any tell me how

> I can do this and what doses to use?

> thanks,

> Zam.



The gel juice is usually the center of the leaf which is a different shade from

the material close to the leaf skin, and that is used.  You could put some of

that on the blender, probably with fruit juice or juice and water, because of

the "flavor"

Marcia

---









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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 08:42:18 -0700

--------

"Zam" <inter-network-solutions@australiamail.com> wrote:



>Hi, I want to use aloe vera (fresh) as a healthy drink, can any tell me how

>I can do this and what doses to use?



Why do you think drinking it would be "healthy"?  







Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 5 Jul 2001 17:34:53 GMT

--------

Zam <inter-network-solutions@australiamail.com> wrote:

> Hi, I want to use aloe vera (fresh) as a healthy drink, can any tell me how

> I can do this and what doses to use?



Just because some moronic companies want to sell you jugs of flavored

sugar-water with a trace of aloe in them doesn't mean you ought to

drink them.   They're just trying to jump on the trend of adding aloe

to various cosmetic products.



Aloe's use internally is mainly as a strong purgative.



-- 

  jamie  (mjwm@austin.rr.com)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."







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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:09:13 +0300

--------

jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie) wrote:



>Aloe's use internally is mainly as a strong purgative.



Ah, Jamie, you're missing one detail here: 



The aloe gel found in drinks is a clear liquid that helps your mucous membranes.

Most any other mucilaginous plant would do. Take, for instance, linseed (with

water), psyllium seed (with water), tea of mallows, Plantago, or that seaweed

(was it agar agar? One of them is slimy as h*ll.)



The brown gunk that's used as a laxative is _dried_ Aloe juice. That's a very

strong concentration of whatever you find in the gel. Also, the mucous-membrane

-soothing effect of said gel is lost in drying.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera

From: leeco11@aol.com (LeeCo11)

Date: 06 Jul 2001 11:04:06 GMT

--------

The Aloe gel is also great on treating burns.  Glop it on right a way and it

takes away the pain and eliminates blistering.



Lee





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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera

From: "Akasha" <akasha01@home.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 16:39:16 GMT

--------

Aloe juice is suppost to be good for things like crohns. I just have tried

it in a mixture with other things.

I guess im a little hesitant to drink the stuff because i accidently put my

finger in my mouth after applying aloe on a burn.

Talk about a cure for biting your nails. yuck.

k bye

akasha









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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera

From: oakwelherb@aol.com (Oakwelherb)

Date: 08 Jul 2001 19:09:26 GMT

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Hanna Kroeger suggested it for MS.  I have cut large leaves up and covered them

with water.  Simmered this until softened ( 10-15 min) then I mash it a little,

simmer

a few min. longer and strain.  Return juice to kettle and add honey.  Stir

until honey has been dissolved.  



Now we have a tonic for MS.  I made it for my sister who said it sure took the

pain away.



Oakwell





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Subject: Re: aphrodisiacs

From: "James Gilbert" <jamesgilbert01@home.com>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:34:59 GMT

--------

Yes - natural progesterone cream.  You can find it in your local health

food store.



Her drop in sex drive is a symptom of her falling levels of progesterone, as

she

approaches menopause.



My wife had similar problems associated with pre-menopause and then

menopause.  She picked up a couple of books, "What Your Doctor May

Not Tell You About Pre-Menopause" and "What Your Doctor May Not

Tell You About Menopause" by a Dr. John Lee. (Also, check out his

web site at http://www.johnleemd.com)



She found them really helpful.  Not only had my wife noticed a drop in her

sex drive, but the results of a breast biopsy came back saying that she had

a "non-atypical hyperplasia."  We were told that was a marker for breast

cancer. She bought these books, and began following his approach. Her

non-atypical hyperplasia went away (and so did her fibrocystic breast

problem she had for years.)



Anyway, an attempt to quickly summarise those 2 books would look like:



1) As many women approach menopause, their ovaries' production of

progesterone begins to drop off. (In my wife's case, it fell to almost

zero.)

Once in menopause, her estrogen levels fall to 40% to 50% of

pre-menopausal levels.



2) It's the drop in levels of progesterone that cause a fall in sex drive

(as well as hot flashes, night sweats, etc.)



3) Since (in my wife's case) her estrogen levels were still up there, it was

the imbalance between the estrogen and progesterone that caused her

problem. Supposedly, this is pretty common.



So, all she did was go to the local health food store, and pick up some

natural progesterone cream (made from diosgenin in the mexican wild yam)

and apply 1/4 teapsoon of that 25 days every month.  And that did the trick!

(Note: Make sure if you buy some of this natural progesterone cream,

the label says something like USP Progesterone, 480 mg. / oz.  There are

some brands on the market that actually contain no progesterone at all)



Because of the ordeal she went through, and how close she came to getting

breast cancer, and how it scared us both...we find ourselves on kind of a

crusade to get the word out.  Because, you won't hear this from your

doctor.  He/she still thinks that as you approach menopause, you need

more estrogen.  According to Dr. John Lee (and his studies) this is

rarely the case.  What a woman needs to supplement is her progesterone.

(By the way, this fall in progesterone has also been documented as the major

cause of osteoporosis. The osteoblasts - the cells which build new bone -

get

their signal from progesterone.  In its absence, they basically stop

building new bone, and the osteoclasts - the cells which resorb old bone -

keep

working.  Thus, old bone is being resorbed, but no new bone is being

built.  Thus, osteoporosis.)



Sorry to be long-winded.  Hope that helps.



James



P.S. I forgot to mention that my wife went on HRT (hormone replacement

therapy) and she blames that as well for causing the non-atypical

hyperplasia.





<schatz1@ptdprolog.net> wrote in message

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> Hi all, My sister is going through pre menunpause, and her sex drive has

> decreased, any

> thing that will help increase her sex drive.?

>









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Subject: Re: Red Clover (Trifolium pratense)

From: "Adriana Kamenetsky" <adrianakusa@home.com>

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 16:09:33 GMT

--------

Make sure that field was not treated with pesticides or herbacides, some

public areas are. It is useful to know if fertilizer was used as well and

what kind. AK

"Tracy" <nospam@myserver.tnx> wrote in message

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> Hi,

>     First of all I'd like to say I'm new to herbs as such, but was

> informed Red Clover is very good for bronchial infections. What I

> would like to know is where I could go about collecting such flowers.

> I live in the UK and as far as I'm aware they do grow here. Then, one

> I've got the Red Clover can anyone suggest how I use it?

>  I would purchase capsules that are available but to be honest If I

> can do it myself I'd rather...

>

> Regards

> Tracy









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Subject: Re: Pain Away

From: "tc" <tc.martin@home.com>

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:39:24 GMT

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Try

http://www.DoctorsSecondOpinion.tv



Interesting Info.



Tom



"cherylj" <cherylj@odsy.net> wrote in message

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> Request information.

>

>

>









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Subject: FAQ

From: "James Gilbert" <jamesgilbert01@home.com>

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 03:45:14 GMT

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Where can I find a FAQ for this newsgroup?



James









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Subject: Re: FAQ

From: Q Tip <321nospam@nelson.tds.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:52:43 -0400

--------

On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 03:45:14 GMT, "James Gilbert" > wrote:



>Where can I find a FAQ for this newsgroup?



ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/alt/folklore/herbs/

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Subject: Re: FAQ

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:12:50 +0300

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Q Tip <321nospam@nelson.tds.net> wrote:



>On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 03:45:14 GMT, "James Gilbert" > wrote:

>

>>Where can I find a FAQ for this newsgroup?

>

>ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/alt/folklore/herbs/



Better yet, here: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/faqs/herbfaqs.html



That's the same FAQs, but in small chunks. And only the last one, not a

progression of files... (sigh. I've asked them, half a year ago now, to clear

out the olde versions. The RTFM moderators must be very very very very very

busy.)



Cheers

Henriette, FAQ keeper.



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland     http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

  The HerbFAQs are   |  http://ibiblio.org/herbmed/faqs/medi-cont.html

     in new spots:   |  http://ibiblio.org/herbmed/faqs/culi-cont.html

Herb FAQs, pictures, classic texts, articles, archives, plant names  ...





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Subject: Re: FAQ

From: Q Tip <321nospam@nelson.tds.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:02:51 -0400

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On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:12:50 +0300, Henriette Kress > wrote:



>Better yet, here: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/faqs/herbfaqs.html



Book marked. 



>That's the same FAQs, but in small chunks. And only the last one, not a

>progression of files... (sigh. I've asked them, half a year ago now, to clear

>out the olde versions. The RTFM moderators must be very very very very very

>busy.)



They were down to only one (with health problems) last year.  Two

retired moderators are now training a total of five new and backup

moderators.  Your request was most likely lost in the backlog...

-- 

Q Tip





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs etc...

From: gloriag384@aol.com (Gloriag384)

Date: 06 Jul 2001 22:28:59 GMT

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Many many years ago the Feingold diet was published urging the eradication of

most artificial colorings.  It was supposed to be an alternative treatment for

ADD and similiar imbalances.





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Subject: Exporting Supplements

From: Xina <xina@netins.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 20:55:45 -0500

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   Hi All!



I have a very dear friend of mine who is going to Haiti, and is going to

be doing some work over there in a women's and children's clinic, mainly

for those with HIV/AIDS. Where would I be able to go to look to find

what both the US, and in Haiti as to what can be exported/imported in

the way of bulk herbs or capsules?  Im thinking something such as the

vacuum sealed packages that Frontier Herb uses, for example.



Is this something that absolutely cannot be done, is it something that

might possibly be done depending on the herb or supplement? I am trying

to wade through the FDA site on the issue.



Thank you for any and all help on the subject.













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Subject: Banana's and mosquitos don't mix

From: Parkin Family <parkinplace@telus.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 07:09:35 GMT

--------

Hi everyone. I'm new to this group. I did this little experiment last

summer. I found that eating a banana actually attracts mosquitos to your

skin.  I did it for about 2 weeks while we were camping and the days I

didn't eat a banana I was left alone mostly, but the day's I ate a

banana I had to bring out the calamine lotion....:o)



Let me know if anyone else has seen this...



Michelle







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Subject: Re: Banana's and mosquitos don't mix

From: Julia Maddocks <julia.maddocks@zoom.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 21:11:14 +0100

--------

I've heard that yeast extract does the opposite



Julia



Parkin Family wrote:



> Hi everyone. I'm new to this group. I did this little experiment last

> summer. I found that eating a banana actually attracts mosquitos to your

> skin.  I did it for about 2 weeks while we were camping and the days I

> didn't eat a banana I was left alone mostly, but the day's I ate a

> banana I had to bring out the calamine lotion....:o)

>

> Let me know if anyone else has seen this...

>

> Michelle



--

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Subject: Re: Banana's and mosquitos don't mix

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:01:29 +0100

--------

Ive just been reading in the paper that scientists say they found a gene

that makes you more/less prone to mosquitos having a nibble...



In St Lucia my Mum got bit bad (even using sprays etc) and my Dad who used

no sprays, didnt get touched by anything. He casually mentioned its the

quinanine in the drink he was having, but like I say he was very casual and

would never be held to it..



The locals told mum its cos she has sweet blood, bless her, she seemed to

like that explanation..;0)



Sue











Julia Maddocks wrote in message <3B476CE2.502B54C3@zoom.co.uk>...

>I've heard that yeast extract does the opposite

>

>Julia

>

>Parkin Family wrote:

>

>> Hi everyone. I'm new to this group. I did this little experiment last

>> summer. I found that eating a banana actually attracts mosquitos to your

>> skin.  I did it for about 2 weeks while we were camping and the days I

>> didn't eat a banana I was left alone mostly, but the day's I ate a

>> banana I had to bring out the calamine lotion....:o)

>>

>> Let me know if anyone else has seen this...

>>

>> Michelle

>

>--

>Julia Maddocks

> O    O    O    O    O    O    O

>\|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/

>/ \  / \  / \  / \  / \  / \  / \

>

>Playwork and Childcare Consultant

>

>phone:  01865 247499

>mobile: 07803 044986

>

>









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Subject: Re: Banana's and mosquitos don't mix

From: "maison.mousse" <maison.mousse@wanadoo.fr>

Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:58:31 +0200

--------

Citronella Oil  (from lemons) will repell mosquitos.  Amyl acetate (banana

oil) may.  I have not see that written anywhere but one of you might give it

a try and see what happens.

James

>

>>Parkin Family wrote:

>>

>>> Hi everyone. I'm new to this group. I did this little experiment last

>>> summer. I found that eating a banana actually attracts mosquitos to your

>>> skin.  I did it for about 2 weeks while we were camping and the days I

>>> didn't eat a banana I was left alone mostly, but the day's I ate a

>>> banana I had to bring out the calamine lotion....:o)

>>>

>>> Let me know if anyone else has seen this...

>>>

>>> Michelle











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Banana's and mosquitos don't mix

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 9 Jul 2001 16:45:24 GMT

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> Citronella Oil  (from lemons) will repell mosquitos.



In my experience the mossies regard it as a yummy condiment that goes

just great with a blood meal.



It's from a lemon-scented grass, not from lemons.





> Amyl acetate (banana oil) may.  I have not see that written anywhere

> but one of you might give it a try and see what happens.



Amyl acetate is so volatile you'd have to reapply it every five minutes.



========> Email to "jc" at this site; email to "bogus" will bounce. <========

Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760

http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/purrhome.html  food intolerance data and recipes,

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Subject: Re: Banana's and mosquitos don't mix

From: "maison.mousse" <maison.mousse@wanadoo.fr>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:23:07 +0200

--------

I stand corrected  citronella oil is from Cymbopogon Nardus or

 Andropogon Nardus



James



bogus address a crit dans le message <7899@purr.demon.co.uk>...

>

>> Citronella Oil  (from lemons) will repell mosquitos.

>

>In my experience the mossies regard it as a yummy condiment that goes

>just great with a blood meal.

>

>It's from a lemon-scented grass, not from lemons.

>

>

>> Amyl acetate (banana oil) may.  I have not see that written anywhere

>> but one of you might give it a try and see what happens.

>

>Amyl acetate is so volatile you'd have to reapply it every five minutes.

>

>========> Email to "jc" at this site; email to "bogus" will bounce.

<========

>Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131

6604760

>http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/purrhome.html  food intolerance data and

recipes,

>freeware logic fonts for the Macintosh, and Scots traditional music

resources

>









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Subject: Re: Banana's and mosquitos don't mix

From: "David Bowie" <rabbilooley@yahoo.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:34:20 -0500

--------

Actually it is a widespread misconception that citronella oil will repel

mosquitos.  The intended method of use is to place the citronella candle (or

whatever) about 10 feet from where you are sitting so that the mosquitos

will be attracted to that, and not to you.



-C









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Jeanne Rose Herbology/Aromatheorpy classes question

From: Laurie Brandt <brandtfamily@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 12:13:37 GMT

--------

I Just started Ms roses classes has anyone here taken her classes in

the past or is now taking them? andy tips or suggestions?

Laurie Wood Brandt Austin TX





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: tinnitus

From: "Robert Linde" <SmallShipCruises@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 21:28:42 GMT

--------

Hi all,

I'm looking for some options for a friend with tinnitus, going on 6 years now.

states that it is aggravated by loud noises and is somewhat high pitched. He is

slightly overweight, has chronic low back pain and works way to hard. Looking for

any suggested herb combos or even better some useful dietary thoughts to assist

the ears. Needless to say I am thinking kidney def in TCM

thanks for all your thoughts,

Bob Linde









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tinnitus

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 19:48:38 GMT

--------





Robert Linde wrote:



> Hi all,

> I'm looking for some options for a friend with tinnitus, going on 6 years now.

> states that it is aggravated by loud noises and is somewhat high pitched. He is

> slightly overweight, has chronic low back pain and works way to hard. Looking for

> any suggested herb combos or even better some useful dietary thoughts to assist

> the ears. Needless to say I am thinking kidney def in TCM

> thanks for all your thoughts,

> Bob Linde



Someone on another list mentioned using gingko biloba for tinnitus, but the blood

thinner caution should be mentioned.   A snailmail healthletter mentioned homeopathic

pulsatilla, which someone I knew used, and that was helpful.



Good luck and good health to you and yours,

Marcia

---









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tinnitus

From: "SGilbertson" <slg@chorus.net>

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:38:06 -0500

--------



> Someone on another list mentioned using gingko biloba for tinnitus, but

the blood

> thinner caution should be mentioned.   A snailmail healthletter mentioned

homeopathic

> pulsatilla, which someone I knew used, and that was helpful.



Does anyone know or would anyone venture to guess if these remedies might

work for pulsatile tinnitus (where you hear/feel a pulsing sensation in the

ear, like blood flow)?  Does gingko work because of its action on the blood

veins or for some other reason?



Zoe









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tinnitus

From: "SGilbertson" <slg@chorus.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:05:32 -0500

--------



"Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com> wrote in message

news:9ic7dk$pqh$1@nntpsp2-ld.pvd.loa.net...

>    1st thing I'd do with that 'pulsatile tinnitus' would be to check the

> blood pressure. Sounds like it might be a bit high.





Actually, the blood pressure tends to be somewhat low, so I don't think high

blood pressure is the problem.  The tinnitus first appeared close to 10

years ago, and while it's somewhat worse than before, it hasn't changed too

significantly over time.  I have never found any herbal remedies for

pulsatile tinnitus, and a lot of sources I've found just tell you to learn

to ive with it.  Still, it can be really annoying when you are trying to

sleep.



Zoe









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tinnitus

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:49:33 GMT

--------





SGilbertson wrote:



> "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com> wrote in message

> news:9ic7dk$pqh$1@nntpsp2-ld.pvd.loa.net...

> >    1st thing I'd do with that 'pulsatile tinnitus' would be to check the

> > blood pressure. Sounds like it might be a bit high.

>

> Actually, the blood pressure tends to be somewhat low, so I don't think high

> blood pressure is the problem.  The tinnitus first appeared close to 10

> years ago, and while it's somewhat worse than before, it hasn't changed too

> significantly over time.  I have never found any herbal remedies for

> pulsatile tinnitus, and a lot of sources I've found just tell you to learn

> to ive with it.  Still, it can be really annoying when you are trying to

> sleep.Zoe



Perhaps you want to look at the browse books at the healthfood/yuppy stores on

homeopathic pulsatilla pullules(derived many succussations ago from, I think

anemone pulsatilla.).   It saved me from running out in the middle of the night

to chase after those non-existent noisy birds, after someone I loved started

taking it. Others have mentioned gingko biloba as being helpful.

Marcia

---









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Subject: Re: tinnitus

From: "Sara Sjoberg" <sarasjoberg@home.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:58:38 GMT

--------

I saw an ear-nose-throat specialist for my tinnitus.  He ran glucose

tolerance tests and said I had a problem with insulin resistance which was

causing the problem.  According to him, tinnitus can be a symptom of low

blood sugar.  He recommended a carb-controlled diet, especially with

restrictions on simple carbs (pure sugars) and caffeine (caffeine apparently

impacts blood sugar, too).  The purpose of the diet was to try to stabilize

my blood sugar levels so that I wouldn't get the severe swings (too high

then too low).



The dietary changes have done the trick for me; also, caused me to shed 35

pounds almost without realizing it.  Now, I only get the ringing if I

overdose on carbs.





"Robert Linde" <SmallShipCruises@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

news:eaL17.27441$C81.2145484@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

> Hi all,

> I'm looking for some options for a friend with tinnitus, going on 6 years

now.

> states that it is aggravated by loud noises and is somewhat high pitched.

He is

> slightly overweight, has chronic low back pain and works way to hard.

Looking for

> any suggested herb combos or even better some useful dietary thoughts to

assist

> the ears. Needless to say I am thinking kidney def in TCM

> thanks for all your thoughts,

> Bob Linde

>

>













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Head Lice?

From: "Gypsy_Witch" <gypsy_witch@optusnet.com.au>

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:23:01 +1000

--------

Greetings All.



I've been trying to get a recipe for head lice treatment but the closest

I've come is  Identifying some oils that can be used.

Tea Tree

Eucalyptus

Lavender

Rosemary

Geranium



Can anybody suggest the quantities / ratio for an effective mix, and what

carrier oil is best if any.

I would also like to make a mix that can be "sprayed" into the hair daily

(water based preferably if this is appropriate)



Thankyou all for the advice on "ear ache treatment"  My daughter is feeling

back to her usual self.



Blessing

Gypsy









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Subject: Re: Head Lice?

From: "Mae Loat" <maeloat@netspace.net.au>

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:09:06 +1000

--------

Sorry. My remedy does not use herbs but is deadly effective, kind to

children and costs very little.



May I direct you to the pages which contain my method of dealing with these

pests. I have made a gift of my method to Mum's and Dad's everywhere.Using

no pesticide or oil, many people will find this method not only highly

effective and acceptable to the children, but safe, economical and labour

saving.

Additionally, If you have a requirement, you can start this treatment today.



http://www.netspace.net.au/~anthonyk/



A small FAQ page is included which covers all questions to date. I will

swiftly update the FAQ if there are some areas not already covered and

within my ability to answer.

I know that many will find this method useful, and I ask that you pass on

the method, and/or the web URL to others.

Thank you.



Mae Loat

Melbourne  Australia



Pro Bono Publico





"Gypsy_Witch" <gypsy_witch@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message

news:3b47b635$0$20933$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...

> Greetings All.

>

> I've been trying to get a recipe for head lice treatment but the closest

> I've come is  Identifying some oils that can be used.

> Tea Tree

> Eucalyptus

> Lavender

> Rosemary

> Geranium

>

> Can anybody suggest the quantities / ratio for an effective mix, and what

> carrier oil is best if any.

> I would also like to make a mix that can be "sprayed" into the hair daily

> (water based preferably if this is appropriate)

>

> Thankyou all for the advice on "ear ache treatment"  My daughter is

feeling

> back to her usual self.

>

> Blessing

> Gypsy

>

>









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Subject: Re: Head Lice?

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 9 Jul 2001 11:57:09 GMT

--------

Gypsy_Witch <gypsy_witch@optusnet.com.au> wrote in article

<3b47b635$0$20933$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>...

> Greetings All.

> 

> I've been trying to get a recipe for head lice treatment but the closest

> I've come is  Identifying some oils that can be used.

> Tea Tree

> Eucalyptus

> Lavender

> Rosemary

> Geranium

> 

> Can anybody suggest the quantities / ratio for an effective mix, and 

> what carrier oil is best if any.  I would also like to make a mix that 

> can be "sprayed" into the hair daily (water based preferably if this is 

> appropriate)



I have used rosemary oil on its own in the past.  I used it full strength

for the first treatment, then put a few drops on my kids' hairbrushes every

day when I brushed their hair.  They smelled a bit like an Italian salad,

but it worked.  ;  )



I have also used Avon's original formula Skin-So-Soft, with very good

results.



Saskia

-- 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

No excuses for not acting...and no mercy for whiners.  









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Subject: Re: Head Lice?

From: "Steven Grace" <steven@grace74.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:54:52 +0100

--------



"Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message

news:01c1086e$d7c63340$41cc79a5@nirvana...

> Gypsy_Witch <gypsy_witch@optusnet.com.au> wrote in article

> <3b47b635$0$20933$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>...

> > Greetings All.

> >

> > I've been trying to get a recipe for head lice treatment but the closest

> > I've come is  Identifying some oils that can be used.

> > Tea Tree

> > Eucalyptus

> > Lavender

> > Rosemary

> > Geranium

> >

> > Can anybody suggest the quantities / ratio for an effective mix, and

> > what carrier oil is best if any.  I would also like to make a mix that

> > can be "sprayed" into the hair daily (water based preferably if this is

> > appropriate)

>

> I have used rosemary oil on its own in the past.  I used it full strength

> for the first treatment, then put a few drops on my kids' hairbrushes

every

> day when I brushed their hair.  They smelled a bit like an Italian salad,

> but it worked.  ;  )

>

> I have also used Avon's original formula Skin-So-Soft, with very good

> results.

>

> Saskia

> --



My wife used a "recipe" found in the Fragrant Pharmacy which called for 25

drops each of  Rosemary, Lavender, Geranium and Tee Tree mixed in 50g of

beeswax, melted in a baine marie, then added to a small bottle of castor

oil. Apply at night, rinse off the following morning. repeat weekly if

required. This worked a treat on our two long haired daughters.

Regards



Steve









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Subject: Re: Head Lice?

From: gcwhite@ntlworld.com (Graham White)

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:09:08 GMT

--------

On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:23:01 +1000, "Gypsy_Witch"

<gypsy_witch@optusnet.com.au> wrote:



>Greetings All.

>

>I've been trying to get a recipe for head lice treatment but the closest

>I've come is  Identifying some oils that can be used.

>Tea Tree

>Eucalyptus

>Lavender

>Rosemary

>Geranium

>

>Can anybody suggest the quantities / ratio for an effective mix, and what

>carrier oil is best if any.

>I would also like to make a mix that can be "sprayed" into the hair daily

>(water based preferably if this is appropriate)

>

>Thankyou all for the advice on "ear ache treatment"  My daughter is feeling

>back to her usual self.

>

>Blessing

>Gypsy

>



I successfully use quassia chips (Picrasma excelsa) - much cheaper

than essential oils.



Quassia chips (Picrasma excelsa)



Preparation:  Take one tablespoon to one large mug of water (or one

ounce to one pint water) and place in a stainless steel pan.  Bring to

the boil, cover, then gently simmer for 20 minutes.  [This is known as

a decoction.]  Allow to cool, then strain (a paper coffee filter is

ideal) and keep in the refrigerator when not in use.



Directions for use:  Shampoo as normal, rinse, then rub into the hair

a handful of the quassia preparation and leave for 5 minutes.  Rinse,

then repeat.  Finally apply conditioner and comb hair thoroughly.

Repeat every other day for one week, then apply weekly until all signs

of infestation are gone.

Regular use of a shampoo containing tea-tree essential oil (or apply

two to three drops directly to the hair) will help prevent

re-infestation.



Cautions:  If your child has a history of allergic reactions, asthma

or skin conditions, always test any new substances you may be applying

to the skin by patch testing and waiting for any sign of a reaction.







Graham White B.Sc. (Herb. Med.), MNIMH

Medical Herbalist

Bishops Stortford & Buntingford

--------------------------------





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Subject: Lavendar Tea Blends

From: "Dave Creech" <dtcreech@advnet.net>

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:56:51 -0700

--------

I have ALOT of lavendar growing right now.  I would love to make some tea

(as well as the usual dream pillows/bath satchets...etc...).  I would like

to make it somewhat sweet, something my friends might enjoy.



Does anyone have a recipie for such?



Thank you!!!



~Tammy









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Subject: breast size

From: schatz1@ptdprolog.net

Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:43:39 GMT

--------

Hi all, I've been taking some of the herbs listed on the label

bloussant, which is  a bust

enhancer that has all natural herbs in it, I've been taking it for three

weeks now, and am

not sure if I notice a difference or not since I'm also losing weight,

how long before I

see a difference or is this just a waste of time? How can they advertise

stuff like that if

it doesn't work. thanks.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: breast size

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 04:43:50 -0700

--------

schatz1@ptdprolog.net wrote:



>Hi all, I've been taking some of the herbs listed on the label

>bloussant, which is  a bust

>enhancer that has all natural herbs in it, 



 Saw Palmetto, Dong Quai, Fennel Seed, Black Cohosh  (according

to their web page, and their competition) 

  

>I've been taking it for three weeks now, and am

>not sure if I notice a difference or not since I'm also losing weight,

>how long before I see a difference or is this just a waste of time? 



  What does the label say?  I think it';s a waste of time -

consider spending the money on art lessons, or soemthing that

will really make you feel good. 



>How can they advertise stuff like that if

>it doesn't work. 

  They LIE!  





Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: breast size

From: "James Gilbert" <jamesgilbert01@home.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 18:02:08 GMT

--------

> how long before I see a difference or is this just a waste of time?



Well, if I may chip in my 2 cents worth...I've read that

some women didn't see any real results for 9 months.

And then, between 9 months and a year...things started

to happen.



Others only took a few weeks.  So, it depends entirely

on an individual's own body chemistry, etc.



Who am I to think I know anything about this?



Well, after my wife had made numerous comments over the

years about not being able to wear certain outfits because

she didn't fill them out...we saw a TV commercial while on

vacation a month ago.  It was on Bloussant.



Since then, I've spent hours researching the web...and believe

me...there's entirely too many testimonials (and plenty of

before and after pictures as well) of this working for it to be

a hoax.



We finally ended up purchasing some herbs from Greenbush.

It's too soon to tell if it's going to work for my wife (i.e.,

only a week.)



If you want to get an idea of how this kind of thing has

worked for other women, take a look at the testimonial

pages on greenbush.net.



> How can they advertise stuff like that if  it doesn't work?



Oh, it works alright.  It may not work for every one that

tries it (and the percentages I've seen vary from 75% to 98%

depending on whose product - and whose stats - your're

talking about.)



By the way, just the other day, on this newsgroup, someone

posted a reply to a question like yours...saying she had gone

from barely a B cup to a full C...since March or April (I believe)

after using fenugreek, fennel, wild yam, and saw palmetto.



Hope that helps,



James











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Subject: Re: breast size

From: leeco11@aol.com (LeeCo11)

Date: 09 Jul 2001 03:15:19 GMT

--------

>I've been taking it for three

>weeks now, and am

>not sure if I notice a difference or not since I'm also losing weight,

>how long before I

>see a difference or is this just a waste of time? How can they advertise

>stuff like that if

>it doesn't work. thanks.



As far as the advertising goes.  They can say anything they want.  Since this

is an herbal supplement it doesn't fall to the same laws that govern drugs.  So

it doesn't have to pass any tests or prove anything in order to be able to sell

it.  As to before and after pictures and testimonials, anyone can create a

testimonial and pictures can be fixed.  There is no truth in advertizing.  For

example a certain shampoo does not make women reach orgasm - even when used on

an airplane.



If it actually works or not I have no idea.  But I would say that if it did

work we would be hearing all about it incessantly on the news as well as from

every comedian in the country, the same as viagra.  Or do you think the plastic

surgeons would hush it up for fear it would ruin a billion dollar industry.



Just MHO,

Lee 









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Subject: Re: breast size

From: "James Gilbert" <jamesgilbert01@home.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:22:44 GMT

--------

> <snip>

> If it actually works or not I have no idea.  But I would say that if it

did

> work we would be hearing all about it incessantly on the news <snip>



Here's a link I came across while researching this topic. These are

testimonials of women who - sponsored by a news organization - agreed

to give this a try.  Apparently, over in the UK, various media have

been covering it.



http://www.erdic.co.uk/Testimonials.htm

http://www.erdic.co.uk/mediauk.htm



My wife can't have any wheat...so she didn't actually purchase the Erdic

program...but the info on their site is interesting. Also, we found the

program offered by greenbush.net much more economical.



Regards,



James











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Subject: Re: breast size

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 9 Jul 2001 11:50:21 GMT

--------

schatz1@ptdprolog.net wrote in article <3B483702.CE93B4F7@ptdprolog.net>...

> Hi all, I've been taking some of the herbs listed on the label

> bloussant, which is  a bust

> enhancer that has all natural herbs in it, I've been taking it for three

> weeks now, and am

> not sure if I notice a difference or not since I'm also losing weight,

> how long before I

> see a difference or is this just a waste of time? 



Bottom line is that you are taking a medication that is the herbal

equivalent of an estrogen supplement.  The saw palmetto supresses

testosterone - which is normally present in a woman's body, but in lower

amounts than a man's.  The other herbs - dong quai, fennel and black cohosh

- are plant estrogens.  Black coshosh can also cause mild uterine

contractions.



> How can they advertise stuff like that if

> it doesn't work. thanks.



It probably does work to some extent.  You are unbalancing your hormonal

system, giving yourself a glut of estrogen-like hormones, which will cause

your breasts to enlarge - like they normally do during the estrogen-rich

phase of your menstrual cycle.



I would be careful.  Extended use would basically boost estrogen production

but would throw your system out of balance.  It may change your periods.



Saskia

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Subject: Re: breast size

From: "James Gilbert" <jamesgilbert01@home.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:39:23 GMT

--------

> Bottom line is that you are taking a medication that is the herbal

> equivalent of an estrogen supplement.



Actually, most of these herbs are phyoestrogenic in nature, and thus,

are able to bind to a woman's estrogen receptor sites.  However,

since they're much weaker (i.e., anywhere from 1/300 to 1/5,000

as strong as a woman's estrogen) they have an overall

"calming" effect on a woman's hormones."



Many women who have begun taking these herbs to enhance their

breast size...have actually continued taking them in lower doses

once their goal was reached...because they liked the overall effect

they had on their system.



> The saw palmetto supresses testosterone - which is normally

> present in a woman's body, but in lower amounts than a man's.



Well...almost.  Saw Palmetto doesn't suppress testosterone,

it inhibits the breakdown of testosterone into the more harmful

dihydrotestosterone (DHT).  The following is from

Life Enhancement Magazine:



"New studies confirm that 5-alpha reductase, the enzyme that

converts testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), may contribute

to the production of unwanted facial and body hair growth (hirsutism)

and in thinning hair (alopecia) in women. The most recent research

shows that the prescription drug finasteride (Proscar) blocks the

actions of 5-alpha reductase. This is exciting news, because saw

palmetto extract can achieve similar results at lower cost, without a

prescription, and without the undesirable side effects associated with

Proscar."



"In the study, Proscar was given to 11 women of various ages with

different degrees of hirsutism and different levels of testosterone.

Despite the fact that the women's hirsutism was attributed to various

causes, all but one of the women experienced a decrease in the

amount, thickness, and degree of hair growth over the six month

period of this study."



"Inhibition of 5-alpha reductase may also prevent acne caused by high

concentrations of 5-alpha reductase in skin, which leads to the local

conversion of testosterone to DHT.  When samples from 23 male

and 21 female young-to-elderly subjects were analyzed, a particular

isozyme (a structurally related enzyme) of 5-alpha reductase,

predominated in the skin of older patients with acne. While Proscar

could not inhibit this isoenzyme, Saw Palmetto could. Anecdotal

reports do indeed support the possible value of Saw Palmetto in this

regard."



"It is important to stress that it is DHT- not testosterone - that is

responsible for secondary male sex characteristics when they occur

in women."



> The other herbs - dong quai, fennel and black cohosh

> are plant estrogens.



True, but they're much weaker, and thus don't "supplement"

a woman's estrogen.  They compete for the same receptor

sites.



>  Black coshosh can also cause mild uterine contractions.



In Germany, Black Cohosh is fairly well studied, where it is used

to treat hot flashes.  Their version of the FDA is much more strict

than ours.  They audit and control the quality of their herbs much

more closesly than we do here. A very popular product for hot flashes

(here in the U.S. as well) is Remifenin. My wife has used this for

a while, and is quite pleased with it.



Pre-menopausal women have reported that Black Cohosh

actually reduces their menstrual cramps....possibly because it

inhibits the production of prostaglandins.



> I would be careful.



I would agree.  Every woman's body chemistry, and tolerances

vary.  "Your mileage may vary."  My comments are solely

intended to offer some thought (and a different opinion) on this

topic, and this should not be construed as medical advice. Bottom

line, don't take my word for it (or anyone elses) but do your own

research.



James











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Subject: Re: breast size

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 11 Jul 2001 00:03:15 GMT

--------

James Gilbert <jamesgilbert01@home.com> wrote in article

<fui27.469145$oc7.75527113@news2.rdc2.tx.home.com>...

> > Bottom line is that you are taking a medication that is the herbal

> > equivalent of an estrogen supplement.

> 

> Actually, most of these herbs are phyoestrogenic in nature, and thus,

> are able to bind to a woman's estrogen receptor sites.  However,

> since they're much weaker (i.e., anywhere from 1/300 to 1/5,000

> as strong as a woman's estrogen) they have an overall

> "calming" effect on a woman's hormones."

[snip]



Lots of good info here...thanks.



2 things I would like to say, though.



1st is that the uterine contractions caused by the black cohosh are not the

same as cramps.  It makes the uterus contract gently in a cleansing and

toning manner.  If your wife wants to try an experiment, have her take a

dose of black cohosh on the first day of her period.  Within 15-20 minutes

she will probably notice an increase in the flow.  



2nd is that because something is "phyto", and the amounts seem small, they

can still be powerful as far as a woman's hormonal system is concerned. 

Sometimes the balance is so delicate that it doesn't take much of a

substance to cause a drastic change.  



Saskia

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Subject: Re: breast size

From: "James Gilbert" <jamesgilbert01@home.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:21:56 GMT

--------

> [snip]

> 1st is that the uterine contractions caused by the black cohosh are not

the

> same as cramps.  It makes the uterus contract gently in a cleansing and

> toning manner.  If your wife wants to try an experiment, have her take a

> dose of black cohosh on the first day of her period.  Within 15-20 minutes

> she will probably notice an increase in the flow.



Wow.  You know...my wife and I have, together, learned so much about

women's hormones...once she began going through the change of life.  But,

I'm constantly being reminded that...we've just scratched the surface.  It's

been 9 months since she had a period.  Some things, like this, I wish we

could

have known - just to try out and see, and learn - back before she began

going through menopause.  Interesting.  Thanks.



>

> 2nd is that because something is "phyto", and the amounts seem small, they

> can still be powerful as far as a woman's hormonal system is concerned.

> Sometimes the balance is so delicate that it doesn't take much of a

> substance to cause a drastic change.



I totally agree with you.  I was so, so clueless before I made my wife's

issues mine...and began trying to learn how a woman's cycle works...and

how everything is related.  It's really remarkable how delicate the balance

is.

I only wish it didn't take a crisis...to get men (i.e., myself) motivated to

learn about their wive's hormones, and how they all work.



So, we're brand new to the wonderful world of...natural herbs...and

the whole study of - even the art of - knowing how all these things

work together.



Thanks,



James









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: breast size

From: "James Gilbert" <jamesgilbert01@home.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:30:40 GMT

--------

> Yeah well, you know the gloomy truth is- breast size is such a trophy

> characteristic and quality indicator for some people, that they would

value

> this over their cycles.  [snip]



Hmmm.....



I suppose so, for some women.  Not for my wife, however.  I've come to

realize that it's really a cosmetic thing.  I mean, us guys really can't

relate.

We have no clue what it's like to grow up in a society where there's all

these "norms" and subtle expectations are present (referring to a woman's

breast size, I mean.)



For my wife...she simply wants to be able to wear certain outfits,

particular styles of clothes, which are "taylor made" for a very specific

physique.  No ego, or pride involved!  She loves clothes, and would

really get a kick out of the luxury of being able to add certain

outfits to her wardrobe - and that's her motivation.



Us guys?  Well, we just wear our jeans.  Or, maybe a shirt and tie.

Our choices are so much simpler, and so much more limited. Life's

easier!



That's why I get a kick out of discovering there's natural ways to assist.





James













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: breast size

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:18:19 -0700

--------

"James Gilbert" <jamesgilbert01@home.com> wrote:





>For my wife...she simply wants to be able to wear certain outfits,

>particular styles of clothes, which are "taylor made" for a very specific

>physique.  No ego, or pride involved!  She loves clothes, and would

>really get a kick out of the luxury of being able to add certain

>outfits to her wardrobe - and that's her motivation.



Take her to Victoria's Secret ... the "wonderbra" can make anyone

bustier.  And it's instantaneously effective, 100% reversible,

and comes in a whole lot of colors. 





Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: breast size

From: "James Gilbert" <jamesgilbert01@home.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:02:08 GMT

--------

> Take her to Victoria's Secret ... the "wonderbra" can make anyone

> bustier.  And it's instantaneously effective, 100% reversible,

> and comes in a whole lot of colors.



I hear ya.  However, the impression I get...is that it would kind of

make her feel the same way I'd feel...if I found some play money

(or borrowed some bills from someone else) and stuffed it in my

wallet, along with a few bills of my own...



...it would inflate my wallet...so it would appear to those who saw it

as I brought it out...that I had more money; but, I'd know that only

some of it was mine.  Or, I'd know that only some of it was real.

Bottom line - I'd know that I didn't really have as much money as

it appeared.  Deep down, that is.



(Kind of a corny analogy, but it's an attempt to convey a feeling...)



James









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Plantar Warts

From: "Bob Sisson" <Bob@sissonfamily.com>

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:40:05 -0400

--------

I have a cluster of Plantar warts that I would like to get rid of.  The acid

routine doesn't appeal to me, and since it is a cluster rather than a single

wart, the Freezing bit only gets rid of part of it.



What oils/treatment will get rid of this pea sized pain-in-the-foot??





--



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Keeper of the Dragon and other things at Redwall

mailto:bob@sissonfamily.com

http://www.sissonfamily.com













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Subject: Re: Plantar Warts

From: "Graham" <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 17:24:28 +0100

--------





"Bob Sisson" <Bob@sissonfamily.com> wrote in message

news:9i9vtc$epb$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

> I have a cluster of Plantar warts that I would like to get rid of.

The acid

> routine doesn't appeal to me, and since it is a cluster rather than

a single

> wart, the Freezing bit only gets rid of part of it.

>

> What oils/treatment will get rid of this pea sized

pain-in-the-foot??

>

>

a single drop of lemon essential oil applied 3 times a day to the top

of the warts...





--

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Australian

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Subject: Re: Plantar Warts

From: "joe" <joewaag@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:53:30 -0400

--------

Cod liver oil...



"Bob Sisson" <Bob@sissonfamily.com> wrote in message

news:9i9vtc$epb$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

> I have a cluster of Plantar warts that I would like to get rid of.  The

acid

> routine doesn't appeal to me, and since it is a cluster rather than a

single

> wart, the Freezing bit only gets rid of part of it.

>

> What oils/treatment will get rid of this pea sized pain-in-the-foot??

>

>

> --

>

> Bob Sisson

> Keeper of the Dragon and other things at Redwall

> mailto:bob@sissonfamily.com

> http://www.sissonfamily.com

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Plantar Warts

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 9 Jul 2001 11:38:45 GMT

--------

Bob Sisson <Bob@sissonfamily.com> wrote in article

<9i9vtc$epb$1@bob.news.rcn.net>...

> I have a cluster of Plantar warts that I would like to get rid of.  The 

> acid routine doesn't appeal to me, and since it is a cluster rather 

> than a single wart, the Freezing bit only gets rid of part of it.

> 

> What oils/treatment will get rid of this pea sized pain-in-the-foot??



Thuja oil is *very* good for that.  It's anti-fungal, and takes about a

week to work...at least on one of them.  Thuja is also called cedar leaf

oil, and smells pretty good.



Saskia

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Subject: Re: Plantar Warts

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 9 Jul 2001 16:40:35 GMT

--------



>> I have a cluster of Plantar warts that I would like to get rid of.  The 

>> acid routine doesn't appeal to me, and since it is a cluster rather 

>> than a single wart, the Freezing bit only gets rid of part of it.

>> What oils/treatment will get rid of this pea sized pain-in-the-foot??

> Thuja oil is *very* good for that.  It's anti-fungal, and takes about a

> week to work...at least on one of them.  Thuja is also called cedar leaf

> oil, and smells pretty good.



Warts are viral, not fungal.



Is podophyllin any good for this?



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Subject: Re: Plantar Warts

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 9 Jul 2001 17:24:07 GMT

--------

bogus address <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote in article

<7898@purr.demon.co.uk>...

> 

> >> I have a cluster of Plantar warts that I would like to get rid of. 

The 

> >> acid routine doesn't appeal to me, and since it is a cluster rather 

> >> than a single wart, the Freezing bit only gets rid of part of it.

> >> What oils/treatment will get rid of this pea sized pain-in-the-foot??

> > Thuja oil is *very* good for that.  It's anti-fungal, and takes about a

> > week to work...at least on one of them.  Thuja is also called cedar

leaf

> > oil, and smells pretty good.

> 

> Warts are viral, not fungal.



Yup...you're right...they are.  But I mentioned it because thuja also works

on things like athletes foot and fungus toenails.  I should have

elaborated.  Sorry.



The thuja works great on the plantar's warts.  Mine was gone in less than a

week.  There was no burning and the process was painless.



> Is podophyllin any good for this?



I'm not familiar with it.  What is it?



Saskia

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Subject: Re: Plantar Warts

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 10 Jul 2001 16:48:37 GMT

--------



> The thuja works great on the plantar's warts.  Mine was gone in less

> than a week.  There was no burning and the process was painless.



"Plantar", not "plantar's" - the word is an adjective, meaning "to do

with the sole of the foot"; related to the word "plantigrade", which

describes the gait of humans and bears, which uses the sole of the foot,

unlike most mammals.  (A word I have known for around 40 years and never

had an occasion to use, not even in Scrabble.  You too can have a neuron

devoted to recording this utterly useless information).





>> Is podophyllin any good for this?

> I'm not familiar with it.  What is it?



An extract from a plant in the _Podophyllum_ genus.  Very effective

on genital warts; also used internally as a purgative.  Fairly toxic,

but probably no more so than thuja oil.



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Subject: Re: Plantar Warts

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:27:06 -0400

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   Podophyllum (peltatun I think is the species name)- mayapple. There is a

preparation- a tincture I believe- I think you make it from the root- which

is a dark brown very irritating liquid. It is a topical treatment

specifically for venereal warts. I am not sure that it is effective against

any other kind. Most warts have the advantage of protection from the

epidermis. Venereal warts, being in the veicinity of mucous membranes, are

more easily susceptible to topical agents.

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"Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message

news:01c1089c$677dc2a0$b3cf79a5@nirvana...

> bogus address <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote in article

> <7898@purr.demon.co.uk>...

> >

> > >> I have a cluster of Plantar warts that I would like to get rid of.

> The

> > >> acid routine doesn't appeal to me, and since it is a cluster rather

> > >> than a single wart, the Freezing bit only gets rid of part of it.

> > >> What oils/treatment will get rid of this pea sized pain-in-the-foot??

> > > Thuja oil is *very* good for that.  It's anti-fungal, and takes about

a

> > > week to work...at least on one of them.  Thuja is also called cedar

> leaf

> > > oil, and smells pretty good.

> >

> > Warts are viral, not fungal.

>

> Yup...you're right...they are.  But I mentioned it because thuja also

works

> on things like athletes foot and fungus toenails.  I should have

> elaborated.  Sorry.

>

> The thuja works great on the plantar's warts.  Mine was gone in less than

a

> week.  There was no burning and the process was painless.

>

> > Is podophyllin any good for this?

>

> I'm not familiar with it.  What is it?

>

> Saskia

> --

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>

>









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Subject: Re: Plantar Warts

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:16:17 GMT

--------





bogus address wrote:



> >> I have a cluster of Plantar warts that I would like to get rid of.  The

> >> acid routine doesn't appeal to me, and since it is a cluster rather

> >> than a single wart, the Freezing bit only gets rid of part of it.

> >> What oils/treatment will get rid of this pea sized pain-in-the-foot??

> > Thuja oil is *very* good for that.  It's anti-fungal, and takes about a

> > week to work...at least on one of them.  Thuja is also called cedar leaf

> > oil, and smells pretty good.

>

> Warts are viral, not fungal.

>

> Is podophyllin any good for this?

>

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Melissa tincture is somewhat antiviral, and might be useful by the drop.

Grapefruit seed extract, GSE, is another thought, or barring that Grapefruit peel

essential oil might also be helpful.

Marcia

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Subject: clary sage

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:03:01 +0100

--------

I finally got my clary sage plant established and have picked some really

healthy looking leaves. I hope to infuse to make a tea (I heard that clary

sage is particularly good for monthly cramps). ANyway, if anyone has an

experience, thoughts, suggestions or comments please shout - Id appreciate

any input into whats needed, how long to dry for and etc etc etc



Sue

x









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Subject: Re: clary sage

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 9 Jul 2001 16:37:46 GMT

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> I finally got my clary sage plant established and have picked some

> really healthy looking leaves. I hope to infuse to make a tea (I heard

> that clary sage is particularly good for monthly cramps). ANyway, if

> anyone has an experience, thoughts, suggestions or comments please shout



Is this the variety you've got?...



From Anne-Marie Powell's gardening column in last week's (Glasgow) Sunday

Herald:



   And there is a plant I'm ashamed to say I have planted in many

   a garden, charmed by its good looks, but unaware of its evil-

   smelling nature.  Salvia sclarea var turkestanica, commonly known

   as Russian sage, stands proud in the herbaceous border.  Soaring

   to heights of about a metre, its cream and lilac flowers proved

   unbearably seductive.  So I planted it, only to be told by at

   least one client the following summer that it made her garden

   smell like a gent's public lavatory.  I had to see for myself, so

   took a deep, lingering sniff.  Still reeling, I have to agree

   that if you like your plants to smell of dog wee, this is the one

   for you.



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Subject: Re: clary sage

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:43:39 +0100

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Well it doesnt smell like ordinary sage... The leaves are furry....It hasnt

flowered yet so I dont know what colour they would be. I dont have a label

for it to say what its proper name is, I just remember its clary sage. I

dont expect it to taste yummy, just be good for me.



Valerian is the same, the roots smell whiffy, but it does a good job... Even

the cat loves the smell of the valerian plant. Usualy a sign theres

something pretty clever in it..



Sue









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>

>Is this the variety you've got?...

>

>From Anne-Marie Powell's gardening column in last week's (Glasgow) Sunday

>Herald:

>

>   And there is a plant I'm ashamed to say I have planted in many

>   a garden, charmed by its good looks, but unaware of its evil-

>   smelling nature.  Salvia sclarea var turkestanica, commonly known

>   as Russian sage, stands proud in the herbaceous border.  Soaring

>   to heights of about a metre, its cream and lilac flowers proved

>   unbearably seductive.  So I planted it, only to be told by at

>   least one client the following summer that it made her garden

>   smell like a gent's public lavatory.  I had to see for myself, so

>   took a deep, lingering sniff.  Still reeling, I have to agree

>   that if you like your plants to smell of dog wee, this is the one

>   for you.

>

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Subject: Re: clary sage

From: "Steven Grace" <steven@grace74.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:47:36 +0100

--------



"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message

news:Rf227.12538$B56.2162809@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...

> I finally got my clary sage plant established and have picked some really

> healthy looking leaves. I hope to infuse to make a tea (I heard that clary

> sage is particularly good for monthly cramps). ANyway, if anyone has an

> experience, thoughts, suggestions or comments please shout - Id appreciate

> any input into whats needed, how long to dry for and etc etc etc

>

> Sue

> x





I don't know if this is a problem with infusions but I read in a book on

essential oils that you shouldn't use Clary Sage oil in a bath or on a

pillow if you have had alcohol on the same night. Apparently it causes

horrendous nightmares.



Steve









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Subject: Re: clary sage

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:50:41 +0100

--------

fair warning, thanks. Mind you a lack of alcohol for the last years means Im

kinda safe....



Sue

x





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>

>

>I don't know if this is a problem with infusions but I read in a book on

>essential oils that you shouldn't use Clary Sage oil in a bath or on a

>pillow if you have had alcohol on the same night. Apparently it causes

>horrendous nightmares.

>

>Steve

>

>









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Subject: kava kava and fat loss

From: alex77782@cs.com (Alex77782)

Date: 08 Jul 2001 23:29:41 GMT

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I was wondering if anyone knows what effect kava has on metabolism and fat

burning since it is used for relaxation.  Would this cause your body to slow

calorie burning and prevent muscle growth and fat loss?  I know it's related to

black pepper but not cayenne, which has been shown to actually increase the

amount of fat calories burned.  Thanks for any info.





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Subject: chamomile

From: "Ange" <angea@rconnect.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 06:35:54 -0500

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Is the only part of chamomile that can be used the buds?  Are the leaves bad

or something?

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Subject: Re: chamomile

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:17:53 -0700

--------

"Ange" <angea@rconnect.com> wrote:



>

>Is the only part of chamomile that can be used the buds?  Are the leaves bad

>or something?



The flowers have the highest concentration of the active

ingredient (and taste better).









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Subject: Re: chamomile

From: Michelle Carlson <carls197@pilot.msu.edu>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:17:29 -0400

--------

Is it the flower petals themselves? Just curious 'cause a lot of the petals on my

chamomile have fallen off and I'm left with the yellow bud/center of the flower.

That work too?



Is that the part you'd use as a hair rinse for light hair?



Thanks for your help!



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:



> "Ange" <angea@rconnect.com> wrote:

>

> >

> >Is the only part of chamomile that can be used the buds?  Are the leaves bad

> >or something?

>

> The flowers have the highest concentration of the active

> ingredient (and taste better).

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

> gets to do it.







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Subject: Re: chamomile

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:58:06 -0700

--------

Michelle Carlson <carls197@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:



>Is it the flower petals themselves? Just curious 'cause a lot of the petals on my

>chamomile have fallen off and I'm left with the yellow bud/center of the flower.

>That work too?



The strongest chamomile is the buds ... unopened flowers.  The

old ones will work.  



You can shear it, just crop off all the old flowers, and it will

bloom again.  



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Subject: how to make mullein oil

From: "Paul Sorenson" <pauls@REMOVE.classware.com.au>

Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:07:27 GMT

--------

I have seen some references to mullein oil in treating earache.  Can someone

give me some tips on making mullein oil?



I have some dried leaves, should I just soak these in vegetable oil for a

few weeks then strain it?



Cheers









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Subject: Re: how to make mullein oil

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 09 Jul 2001 17:14:45 GMT

--------

>I have seen some references to mullein oil in treating earache.  Can someone

>give me some tips on making mullein oil?

>

>I have some dried leaves, should I just soak these in vegetable oil for a

>few weeks then strain it?

>

>Cheers



Grab a real small jar. Pick mullein FLOWERS and put into the jar until you have

a spongy mattressy full jar. Pour on olive (not vegetable) oil and let it sit

for about 6-8 weeks in a cool dark place. Strain the oil into another jar let

it sit and pour oil off. This last step is in case there was some moisture on

the flowers, the oil will rise to the top and you can leave the water behind.



Belinda







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Subject: Re: how to make mullein oil

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:12:20 +0300

--------

bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs) wrote:



>>I have seen some references to mullein oil in treating earache.  Can someone

>>give me some tips on making mullein oil?

>>

>>I have some dried leaves, should I just soak these in vegetable oil for a

>>few weeks then strain it?

>

>Grab a real small jar. Pick mullein FLOWERS and put into the jar until you have

>a spongy mattressy full jar. Pour on olive (not vegetable) oil and let it sit

>for about 6-8 weeks in a cool dark place. Strain the oil into another jar let

>it sit and pour oil off. This last step is in case there was some moisture on

>the flowers, the oil will rise to the top and you can leave the water behind.



Far less work: slice off mullein flower STALKS and hang them up to dry (upside

down). When bone dry (they snap, don't bend), remove all buds, flowers, and

seedpods (collectively called "flowers", at least by me) from the stalks, put

that into a jar, cover with oil, and let sit for 4-6 weeks. Strain through a

coffee filter -- all parts of mullein have itchy hairs. Pour into bottles,

label, store in a dark cupboard.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Herbs to help drug-users' withdrawal system

From: "James" <jamesjc@pd.jaring.my>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:59:57 +0800

--------

Hello,



Are there any herbs that can help cocaine and heroine users' withdrawal

system when they come off these drugs? Can herbs help people of such? Thanks

in advance for any help.





Sincerely,

James





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Subject: Re: Herbs to help drug-users' withdrawal system

From: "Robert Linde" <SmallShipCruises@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:48:17 GMT

--------

I believe Kudzu has been helpful for alcohol withdrawal but love to hear about any

other herbs for other drug withdrawals as well.

Bob



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system when they come off these drugs? Can herbs help people of such? Thanks

in advance for any help.





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Subject: Re: Herbs to help drug-users' withdrawal system

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 11 Jul 2001 07:51:01 GMT

--------

>I believe Kudzu has been helpful for alcohol withdrawal but love to hear about any

>other herbs for other drug withdrawals as well.

>Bob



(John) Heinerman's Encyclopedia of Healing Herbs & Spices has a subsection

titled "A Good Drug Withdrawal Program" in the goldenseal section.  First step

is cleansing. and two of the herbs used are goldenseal and chaparral.  Whole

subsection is too long to hand-copy; besides, there is the copyright issue.









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Subject: Re: Herbs to help drug-users' withdrawal system

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 10 Jul 2001 02:45:19 GMT

--------



> Are there any herbs that can help cocaine and heroine users' withdrawal

> system when they come off these drugs? Can herbs help people of such?



Ibogaine, a psychedelic drug derived from the African vine _Tabernanthe

iboga_, has been used in the Netherlands to treat heroin addiction.  It

often fixes the addiction permanently in one dose.  It's presumably both

illegal and hard to obtain in the US.  I doubt if there's much difference

between the whole plant and the isolated alkaloid in effect.



HOWEVER, it has also been associated with a few sudden deaths in addicts

taking it; the mechanism and predisposing factors being unknown (cardiac

arrhythmia? apnoea?).  It does not appear to be dangerous for non-addicts;

it was used experimentally as a chemical adjunct to psychotherapy on

hundreds or thousands of patients in the Seventies, without untoward

incidents.  I haven't tried it myself.



My guess is the cost/benefit ratio would still be strongly positive, but

I don't know if the Dutch are still using it.



Cocaine: no idea.  I tried it once, which was enough for a lifetime.

What do people see in that shit?  I could just as easily get addicted

to putting lighted matches up my nose while shoving my fingers into

an electric socket.



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Subject: Re: Herbs to help drug-users' withdrawal system

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:57:02 -0700

--------

bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address) wrote:



>Ibogaine, a psychedelic drug derived from the African vine _Tabernanthe

>iboga_, has been used in the Netherlands to treat heroin addiction.  It

>often fixes the addiction permanently in one dose.  



  That's one dose of ibogaine AND serious counseling AND a change

of friends or lifestyle.  From what I read of the method, the

ibogaine gets rid of the cravings for long enough that the addict

can start working on whatever problem it was that they are using

drugs to cover up.  You get a drug-free "window of opportunity",

it's not a miracle cure.  





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Subject: Re: Herbs to help drug-users' withdrawal system

From: "Andrew T. Austin." <aausti13@NOSPAMford.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:33:51 +0100

--------

A book was published a couple of years ago about the story/discovery of

ibogaine, called something like "The Long Island Experiment" (well, it was

"The `something` Island Experiment."   According to The Fortean Times,

ibogaine induces a bit of a psychedelic style trip that lasts several days

and allows for considerable insight/imprinting to occur.  I would imagine

with a Leary/Lilly style setting, this might prove successful.



Anyone know of it's legal status in the UK?



Regards,



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Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address) wrote:

>

> >Ibogaine, a psychedelic drug derived from the African vine _Tabernanthe

> >iboga_, has been used in the Netherlands to treat heroin addiction.  It

> >often fixes the addiction permanently in one dose.

>

>   That's one dose of ibogaine AND serious counseling AND a change

> of friends or lifestyle.  From what I read of the method, the

> ibogaine gets rid of the cravings for long enough that the addict

> can start working on whatever problem it was that they are using

> drugs to cover up.  You get a drug-free "window of opportunity",

> it's not a miracle cure.

>

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

> The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

> gets to do it.









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Subject: Re: Herbs to help drug-users' withdrawal system

From: "Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:12:52 +0100

--------



Andrew T. Austin. <aausti13@NOSPAMford.com> wrote in message

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> A book was published a couple of years ago about the story/discovery of

> ibogaine, called something like "The Long Island Experiment" (well, it was

> "The `something` Island Experiment."   According to The Fortean Times,

> ibogaine induces a bit of a psychedelic style trip that lasts several days

> and allows for considerable insight/imprinting to occur.  I would imagine

> with a Leary/Lilly style setting, this might prove successful.

>

> Anyone know of it's legal status in the UK?

>

> Regards,

>

> Andrew Austin.

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I was working on an enquiry a week or two back from the UK for Ibogaine hcl.



Didn't go anywhere because I was not happy with the only sources I could

find, which were dodgy looking web based Dutch dudes.  I couldn't identify a

prime manufacturer (I was looking for the synthetic hcl, not the T. iboga

extract.  This is also available on web searches out of Holland and maybe

Denmark I think).



As far as I could work out there seems to be no MCA interest in ibogaine so

apparently 'legal' to trade.  Not sure what the situation would be if you

want to actually prescribe it though.  There are a couple of countries

including the US where it is definitely illegal.



If you search on ibogaine you can find various rehab programmes in countries

like Pakistan, some Caribean islands etc that are based on ibogaine

treatment.



regs



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Subject: Re: Herbs to help drug-users' withdrawal system

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:12:51 +0300

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:



>bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address) wrote:

>

>>Ibogaine, a psychedelic drug derived from the African vine _Tabernanthe

>>iboga_, has been used in the Netherlands to treat heroin addiction.  It

>>often fixes the addiction permanently in one dose.  

>

>  That's one dose of ibogaine AND serious counseling AND a change

>of friends or lifestyle.  From what I read of the method, the

>ibogaine gets rid of the cravings for long enough that the addict

>can start working on whatever problem it was that they are using

>drugs to cover up.  You get a drug-free "window of opportunity",

>it's not a miracle cure.  



If that's the case, other herbs that stop cravings:

- Avena sativa, oats, in milky seed - take regularly, 2-3 times a day, over 6+

  months, _and_ take as needed to curb cravings.

- Vitex agnus-castus - take when needed to curb cravings; no need for regular

  use with this one.



In addition, use these:

- vitamins B and C, megadoses of both

- minerals etc. (ie. large doses of a good multivitamin thingy)

- LIVER HERBS (including milk thistle, in addition to whatever liver herb helps

  the constitution of your client)



For opiates, also use:

- Eschscholtzia californica, tincture or tea; its alkaloids are close to those

  of opium poppy, but they're not addictive, nor can Eschscholtzia be used as

  a recreational drug, unless you appreciate being calm and having no trouble

  sleeping.



There's a couple of really good articles on opiate addiction and on valium etc.

addiction in the herbal journals. Try the European Journal of Herbal Medicine

(EJHM), in 1995 or so (see the medicinal herbfaq for subscription etc. info).

I think I've also seen them in The Modern Phytotherapist (see the medicinal

herbfaq, etc.)



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Herbs to help drug-users' withdrawal system

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 10 Jul 2001 23:53:02 GMT

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bogus address <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote in article

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[snip] 

> Cocaine: no idea.  I tried it once, which was enough for a lifetime.

> What do people see in that shit?  I could just as easily get addicted

> to putting lighted matches up my nose while shoving my fingers into

> an electric socket.



LOL !  Good description of the experience.  ;  )



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Subject: Re: Herbs to help drug-users' withdrawal system

From: a_SinghDELETETHIS@bigfoot.com (A Singh)

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:55:35 GMT

--------

On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:59:57 +0800, "James" <jamesjc@pd.jaring.my>

wrote:



>Hello,

>

>Are there any herbs that can help cocaine and heroine users' withdrawal

>system when they come off these drugs? Can herbs help people of such? Thanks

>in advance for any help.

>



Apparently, in Sumatra they use the herb mugwort to help with opium

withdrawal symptoms. I don't know if it works or not, not being an

opium user myself.

FWIW, I think you need more than just herbs to get you off drugs. Try

to find a suitable rehab programme.



Best of luck,



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Subject: Re: Herbs to help drug-users' withdrawal system

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:00:29 -0700

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"Rhyanon" <rhyanon@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> Marijuana.......... Seriously!



That's right, replace an illegal drug with another illegal drug.  This is a

really stupid idea.....seriously.



Katherine











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Subject: Re: Herbs to help drug-users' withdrawal system

From: "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:57:24 -0400

--------

> > Marijuana.......... Seriously!

>

> That's right, replace an illegal drug with another illegal drug.  This is

a

> really stupid idea.....seriously.

>

> Katherine



The illegality of the substance has nothing to do with the question of what

would help with withdrawal.

1.  Alcohol, by the way is legal.  I do not know the # of deaths a year on

that but I do know it is highly addictive and withdrawal is difficult and

dangerous.

2.  Tobacco is legal  (is it still about 400,000 deaths a year?) and even

more difficult to stop.

3.  prescribed drugs are legal and according to Harper's Magazine this

month, last year 218,000 people died from reactions to PRESCRIBED drugs.



I have known a number people who managed to quit alcohol and cocaine with

the help of marijuana.  No deaths and only minor addictive tendencies with

marijuana so wouldn't that be the much better choice?



I still wonder about my Aunt Mary who spent her last years blind from

Glaucoma.   Marijuana could have helped but she chose to go blind rather

than break the law.   Isn't there something a little weird about that?



And I still put Marijuana into the "Herb" category as opposed to a "drug" .

I have observed that young people thought they were safe trying Heroin

precisely because they had been lead to believe that it was "just another

drug like marijuana" and marijuana in their experience (or mine) is not a

problem.



The problem with using marijuana as a withdrawal aid is that, because it is

illegal, you often have to get it from people who also sell coke.   It is

the law that put these two substances in the same category, not nature.



If you see error in my arguments, let me know.   I am always open to

reconsideration.

Carolyn





















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Subject: Re: Herbs to help drug-users' withdrawal system

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 17 Jul 2001 14:12:44 GMT

--------



>> Marijuana.......... Seriously!

> That's right, replace an illegal drug with another illegal drug.

> This is a really stupid idea.....seriously.



The illegality would be a minor problem if it actually worked.

(There are many other conditions for which MJ is effective,

and where the person using it might not be expected to have a

pre-established connection supplies of illegal substances; the

fact that it's illegal *is* an issue for an old middle-class

woman with MS, for example).



But a major effect of MJ is to heighten perception of internal

bodily sensations.  When those sensations are as painful as heroin

withdrawal, this does not seem like a good idea.



Also, if this really worked, it would have been well established

in folklore decades if not centuries ago and every opiate addict

would know about it.  Since almost all opiate addicts have access

to marijuana and it doesn't seem in practice to make any difference

to their addiction, the conclusion seems pretty obvious.



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Subject: Re: Herbs to help drug-users' withdrawal system

From: a_SinghDELETETHIS@bigfoot.com (A Singh)

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:08:41 GMT

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On 17 Jul 2001 14:12:44 GMT, bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

wrote:



>

>>> Marijuana.......... Seriously!

>> That's right, replace an illegal drug with another illegal drug.

>> This is a really stupid idea.....seriously.

>

>The illegality would be a minor problem if it actually worked.

>(There are many other conditions for which MJ is effective,

>and where the person using it might not be expected to have a

>pre-established connection supplies of illegal substances; the

>fact that it's illegal *is* an issue for an old middle-class

>woman with MS, for example).

>

>But a major effect of MJ is to heighten perception of internal

>bodily sensations.  When those sensations are as painful as heroin

>withdrawal, this does not seem like a good idea.

>

You're right. Taking cannabis in any form will worsen the withdrawal

symptoms resulting from opiate addiction.

It's been medically proven, but I'm not a doctor, so I could'nt give

you a reference for it. I've seen a documentary about a recovering

heroin-addicted novelist who smoked a spliff three days into a cold

turkey. He reported the painfulness as much worse as a result.

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Subject: Calendula

From: chaosandrebirth@aol.com (Chaosandrebirth)

Date: 10 Jul 2001 13:32:44 GMT

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Greetings!





This may be a silly question, but I am a novice herbalist.



I have been growing Calendula (a wild marigold).  I understand that the flowers

of this plant can be dried and used for a tea or can be make into a ointment or

salve. Do I only use the flower petals or do I use all the parts of the flower

for this?



Thank you in advance!



~M





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Calendula

From: "Ange" <angea@rconnect.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:15:20 -0500

--------





I use calendula in soap and although I think you can use all parts of the

flower, I tend to use only the petals otherwise the soap tends to turn

brown.

Ange



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>

> I have been growing Calendula (a wild marigold).  I understand that the

flowers

> of this plant can be dried and used for a tea or can be make into a

ointment or

> salve. Do I only use the flower petals or do I use all the parts of the

flower

> for this?

>

> Thank you in advance!

>

> ~M









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Subject: Herbs for Energy While TTC?

From: "GoldenPoppy" <eshann@pacbell.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:42:15 -0700

--------

Hi,



Can someone recommend any herbs to boost my energy level that are safe to

take while trying to conceive and during the first weeks of pregnancy?  I'm

tired *all the time.*  Even though I get a full night's rest and I still

need to sleep 1-2 hrs. during the afternoon.  :-P



I've just started taking Chaste Tree Berry  to correct  my irregular

ovulation/luteal phase defect (IOW, I don't ovulate regularly, and when I

do, I don't produce enough progesterone afterward to sustain a pregnancy).



I want to make sure that whatever herb I choose won't harm a potential

pregnancy, or interfere with the chaste tree berry.



Any ideas? Thanks in advance!  (PS... I'm also open to any book or web site

recommendations you might have!)









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Energy While TTC?

From: "Robyn" <herbalist@DELETETHISBITcableinet.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:38:38 GMT

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"GoldenPoppy" <eshann@pacbell.net> wrote in message

news:zxE27.4648$qr3.457851@news.pacbell.net...

| Hi,

|

| Can someone recommend any herbs to boost my energy level that are safe to

| take while trying to conceive and during the first weeks of pregnancy?

I'm

| tired *all the time.*  Even though I get a full night's rest and I still

| need to sleep 1-2 hrs. during the afternoon.  :-P

|

| I've just started taking Chaste Tree Berry  to correct  my irregular

| ovulation/luteal phase defect (IOW, I don't ovulate regularly, and when I

| do, I don't produce enough progesterone afterward to sustain a pregnancy).

|

| I want to make sure that whatever herb I choose won't harm a potential

| pregnancy, or interfere with the chaste tree berry.

|

| Any ideas? Thanks in advance!  (PS... I'm also open to any book or web

site

| recommendations you might have!)



Is it possible for you to see a professional herbalist? This really sounds

like a case for specialist knowledge. Failing that, I would look at your

diet and nutrition in the first case, herbs only when you have exhausted

that. Good luck.



Robyn









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Subject: Re: Herbs for Energy While TTC?

From: "GoldenPoppy" <eshann@pacbell.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:25:15 -0700

--------

I wish!  The closest thing to an herbalist I've found in my small town is

the lady who works at the herb/vitamin store who told me that all herbs are

safe, because they're herbs not medicine.



Yikes!!





"Robyn" <herbalist@DELETETHISBITcableinet.co.uk> wrote in message

news:iJJ27.31115$aE6.2638083@news1.cableinet.net...

> "GoldenPoppy" <eshann@pacbell.net> wrote in message

> news:zxE27.4648$qr3.457851@news.pacbell.net...

> | Hi,

> |

> | Can someone recommend any herbs to boost my energy level that are safe

to

> | take while trying to conceive and during the first weeks of pregnancy?

> I'm

> | tired *all the time.*  Even though I get a full night's rest and I still

> | need to sleep 1-2 hrs. during the afternoon.  :-P

> |

> | I've just started taking Chaste Tree Berry  to correct  my irregular

> | ovulation/luteal phase defect (IOW, I don't ovulate regularly, and when

I

> | do, I don't produce enough progesterone afterward to sustain a

pregnancy).

> |

> | I want to make sure that whatever herb I choose won't harm a potential

> | pregnancy, or interfere with the chaste tree berry.

> |

> | Any ideas? Thanks in advance!  (PS... I'm also open to any book or web

> site

> | recommendations you might have!)

>

> Is it possible for you to see a professional herbalist? This really sounds

> like a case for specialist knowledge. Failing that, I would look at your

> diet and nutrition in the first case, herbs only when you have exhausted

> that. Good luck.

>

> Robyn

>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Energy While TTC?

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 10 Jul 2001 23:48:15 GMT

--------

GoldenPoppy <eshann@pacbell.net> wrote in article

<zxE27.4648$qr3.457851@news.pacbell.net>...

[snip]

> I want to make sure that whatever herb I choose won't harm a potential

> pregnancy, or interfere with the chaste tree berry.



As Robyn said in the previous post, you might want to consult an herbalist.

 



You might want to try a good multi-vitamin, particularly one that has all

the B-vitamins, which are good energy boosters.  As an aside,  B-6 can

prevent/lessen morning sickness and folic acid is necessary for good fetal

development.  



I wouldn't suggest a mega dose.  I usually use Schiff's Children's Chewable

multi-vitamins.  2 of them has 100% of the MDR, and you can adjust the

dosage up or down as your body needs.



> Any ideas? Thanks in advance!  (PS... I'm also open to any book or web

site

> recommendations you might have!)



My favorite books for women's health and herbs are:



Rosemary Gladstar's HERBAL HEALING FOR WOMEN

Susun Weed's HERBAL FOR THE CHILDBEARING YEAR

Jeanine Parvati's HYGIEIA: A WOMAN'S HERBAL



All of them have pretty good sections on fertility.



But do you want to know what worked for me?  I had tried for almost 10

years to conceive.  I tried all sorts of herbs, kept temperature charts and

got into that timing thing, and tried a few of the mainstream fertility

drugs with no success.  



So one day I said "OK, I'll live my life without kids"...and BOOM!...3

months later I came down with what I thought was a lingering case of the

flu...and found I was pregnant with my son.  I figured it was a fluke that

I got pregnant, so I didn't worry about birth control.  After all, I had

tried for so long to get pregnant, what were the odds of me getting

pregnant again?  BOOM!...2 years later I delivered a beautiful daughter.  



The moral of this little tale...relax and don't try too hard.  ;  )



Good luck and blessings!



Saskia

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Energy While TTC?

From: <jgilbert@attglobal.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:12:20 -0600

--------

> Can someone recommend any herbs to boost my energy

> level that are safe to take while trying to conceive and

> during the first weeks of pregnancy?  I'm tired *all the time.*

>  Even though I get a full night's rest and I still need to sleep

> 1-2 hrs. during the afternoon.  :-P



> I've just started taking Chaste Tree Berry  to correct  my

> irregular ovulation/luteal phase defect (IOW, I don't ovulate

> regularly, and when I do, I don't produce enough progesterone

> afterward to sustain a pregnancy).



> I want to make sure that whatever herb I choose won't

> harm a potential pregnancy, or interfere with the chaste tree berry.



> Any ideas? Thanks in advance!  (PS... I'm also open to any book or web

site

> recommendations you might have!)



I've heard Dr. John Lee refer to this as "Luteal Phase Failure."



I've heard him say that he's successfully diagnosed women

as having Luteal Phase Failure...and he's merely suggested

they go down to their local health food store...and purchase

some natural progesterone cream.  They've applied it daily,

in normal, physiological doses...so as to simulate what her

ovaries and her placenta would normally do...and they've been

able to carry a baby successfully to term.  The trick would

be...to find out just how to step up the dosage...so you can

mimic what your body would normally do.



To verify the validity of this theory, you could have a saliva

assay done.  The world health organization has been using

saliva assays for years as a way to measure a woman's hormones.



My wife had this done...to prove or disprove the theory that

her problems were due to low levels of the progesterone molecule.

(In her case, this was the problem.  She's been supplementing

her levels of progesterone, with a natural progesterone

cream from the health food store...and all her hormonal problems

went away! )



One of the best labs in the country (and recommended by

Dr. John Lee) is ZRT labs in Oregon.  Check them out

at http://www.salivatest.com/.



Anyway, they send you a tube, and you simply spit into it, and

fill it up...and then seal it and send it off.  Your saliva's

analyzed for levels of hormones...and you get a report back.



Also,  Dr. John Lee describes symptoms like this in his 2 books,

"What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause,"

and "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Pre-Menopause."



Also, we bought a 2 tape audio cassette series from a lecture he did at

the University of Texas (as well as other video tapes on Women's

Hormones, etc.)  All very informative and helpful



In fact, my wife and I have listened to hours and hours of his

material.  Not to mention reading, and reading, and reading.



I should qualify all I'm saying, by pointing out that I'm not a

medical doctor, so please don't take this as medical

advice...but I've studied so much of his material that I would

bet he would tell you that...as you said...you simply aren't

generating enough progesterone.  I mean, it's the

"pro-gestation hormone" we're talking about here.  That's where

the molecule gets its name.  It's absolutely essential in order

for you to carry a baby to term. If for some reason your body

is not generating enough of it (what I've heard him call

"Luteal Phase Failure") then all you have to do

is supplement your progesterone.  The important thing, from

what I've heard him talk about...is to get the right dosage.



If you're new to this idea of supplementing your progesterone

with natural progesterone (and this is very, very important - it

must have the same exact molecular structure as your own

progesterone) you would really enjoy, and benefit from hearing

a lecture done by Dr. John Lee.  It's extremly informative.



We got one of these tapes free, from a company called Life-Flo.

Check them out at http://www.life-flo.com

Call them and ask for a free cassette tape on Natural Progesterone.

They've been wonderful to my wife and me.  They sent us many,

many free cassette tapes....so we could pass them out to our

friends and colleagues (after my wife used their cream, and

in my opinion...avoided breast cancer...we haven't been able

to keep our mouths shut about it.)  They also are one of the

many firms who are on the "endorsed" list of vendors...who

make a  natural progesterone cream that actually has enough

progesterone in it...to make a difference.



This talk I'm referring to is titled something like,

"The Many Roles of a Remarkable Hormone" or something

like that.  It's how my wife and I started getting educated on

her hormone out-of-balance problem - by listening to this

talk given by Dr. John Lee.



Also, check out Dr. John Lee's web site,

at http://www.johnleemd.com



I didn't know this until my wife had these health problems I

keep referring to, and we spent hours and hours researching

women's hormones.  But, did you know that in the third

trimester of a woman's pregnancy, a woman's placenta

is pumping out between 400 and 500 milligrams a day of

progesterone?  This is contrasted with the 15 to 20 milligrams

a day that a pre-menopausal woman's ovaries normally

generate, day 12 or 14 through the end of her cycle.



(By the way, please check out a couple of posts I've made

recently (i.e., one REALLY long one today, and several

within the past 3 weeks) on natural progesterone.  I

can get kind of long-winded...but all the info is from these

books and tapes I referred to.)



I wish you the best.



Regards,



James









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Energy While TTC?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:15:12 -0700

--------

"GoldenPoppy" <eshann@pacbell.net> wrote:



>Can someone recommend any herbs to boost my energy level that are safe to

>take while trying to conceive and during the first weeks of pregnancy?  I'm

>tired *all the time.*  Even though I get a full night's rest and I still

>need to sleep 1-2 hrs. during the afternoon.  :-P



That "energy" herbs give you is a false energy ... like borrowing

on your VISA to pay your Mastercard bill.  It's pulled out of

reserves, and then you crash.  Not a good thing to do except in

an emergency.



Make sure the diet is adequate, and get moderate evening exercise

- exercise is one way to boost your energy level - and LISTEN TO

YOUR BODY!  People need 8-10 hours sleep a night, and an

afternoon nap is not a bad thing.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Energy While TTC?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:11:17 +0300

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:



>"GoldenPoppy" <eshann@pacbell.net> wrote:

>

>>Can someone recommend any herbs to boost my energy level that are safe to

>>take while trying to conceive and during the first weeks of pregnancy?  I'm

>>tired *all the time.*  Even though I get a full night's rest and I still

>>need to sleep 1-2 hrs. during the afternoon.  :-P

>

>That "energy" herbs give you is a false energy ... like borrowing

>on your VISA to pay your Mastercard bill.  



What, you mean that this isn't a good strategy? ... NOW you tell me.





Drat.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Herbs for Energy While TTC?

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:00:23 -0700

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"Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

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> Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:



> >That "energy" herbs give you is a false energy ... like borrowing

> >on your VISA to pay your Mastercard bill.

>

> What, you mean that this isn't a good strategy? ... NOW you tell me.



Depends on which one has the lower interest rate :-)



Katherine











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: bloussant

From: schatz1@ptdprolog.net

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:15:32 GMT

--------

Hi all, my girlfriend has been taking bloussant for about 5 weeks and at

first she thought

it was working - since then she has stopped taking it as being a waste

of money - I've

been taking the herbs, fennel saw palmetto, fenugreek and wild yam which

are some

of the ingrediants in bloussant - it's been three weeks for me and I

think there's a difference but not sure as I'm losing weight also but

according to  the info I've been

reading you should give it at least 6 months.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: bloussant

From: "James Gilbert" <jamesgilbert01@home.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:12:53 GMT

--------

> [snip]

> I've been taking the herbs, fennel saw palmetto, fenugreek and wild yam

which

> are some of the ingrediants in bloussant - it's been three weeks for me

and I

> think there's a difference but not sure as I'm losing weight also but

according

> to  the info I've been reading you should give it at least 6 months.



That agrees with what I've read too.



After my wife expressed an interest in this, I spent hours and hours

researching

this (a previous breast cancer scare made this a serious endeavor, and we

wanted to be really careful, and understand exactly how all this is supposed

to work.)



I've probably hit over 100 web sites while researching this for her. One

thing

I learned is that fenugreek is not fenugreek is not fenugreek.  What I mean

to

say is...the way it is grown affects the quality (i.e., did they use

pesticides?

or was it irradiated?)  One firm says they actually grind their herbs at

something like -50 degrees farenheit...to keep the heat (generated by

grinding)

down to a minimum to preserve quality.  That really impressed me.



I've read testimonials where women have reported that their progress was

much faster when they used strictly 100% organic herbs.  Even more

specifically, one woman said that when she used http://www.greenbush.net

as her source her results were more rapid.  So, after researching all

options

that's where my wife is getting her herbs (i.e., fenugreek, fennel, and wild

yam.)  She's taking capsules of those 3, making tea with fenugreek, and

mixing up a massage lotion which she applies nightly.



James









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: bloussant

From: schatz1@ptdprolog.net

Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:09:09 GMT

--------

Hi all,  Where is the best place you can buy standardized herbs?  I'm

taking fennel,

fenugreek, saw palmetto and black cohosh, what amount should I take each

day?







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: progesterone

From: schatz1@ptdprolog.net

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:17:19 GMT

--------

Hi, went to gnc and got progesterone creame, then I was at another

health food store and

noticed another cream - the one at gnc doesn't let you know how much

progesterone

there is in it but the other one does -  poor packaging -      must read

labels in order to

get what you want., was very surprised.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: progesterone

From: <jgilbert@attglobal.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:18:29 -0600

--------

> Hi, went to gnc and got progesterone creame, then I

> was at another health food store and noticed another

> cream - the one at gnc doesn't let you know how much

> progesterone there is in it but the other one does -  poor

> packaging -  must read labels in order to get what you

> want., was very surprised.



Yep.  My wife had the same experience.  The first cream

she tried had absolutely no effect on her system.  Later,

she discovered that a Dr. John Lee had an independent

lab test a bunch of different brands.  He found that some

manufacturers just process the raw wild yams themselves.

They don't even take the yams through the

"Marker Degradation" process.  So, you end up with a

cream that "appears to be from the Mexican Wild Yam"

but actually has no progesterone in it at all.



In fact, the results from this independent lab's tests...were

that, some creams didn't even have a trace of natural

progesterone in them...others had only a tiny bit, and

around 15 or 20 brands had the dosage he was looking

for.  Remember that, all you're trying to do is simulate

what normal, healthy ovaries would do during

ovulation: release about 15 to 20 milligrams of

progesterone a day.  Because of all the estrogenic

substances we're bombarded with every day in our

industrialized society...these steps are becoming more

and more necessary to combat this.



So...you're absolutely right.  You're really got to be a

savy shopper...and read the labels.  You really want

the label to say USP Progesterone (USP stands for

United States Pharmacopeial; check 'em out at

http://www.usp.org.)  Furthermore, you'd like it to have

anywhere from 400 milligrams/oz to 500 milligrams/oz.



If, for example, a woman is in menopause...and she uses

one ounce of this cream every 25 days...then she's using

from 400 to 500 milligrams every 25 days;  that equals

15 to 20 milligrams a day.



Personally speaking, my wife's had good success even

trying some creams that aren't in Dr. John Lee's books,

"What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause"

or his later book, "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You

About Pre-Menopause".....by really watching for those 2

things: 1) USP Progesterone, and 2) From 400 to 500

milligrams per ounce.



By the way, since some creams don't have very good

instructions...be sure to follow Dr. John Lee's advice:



1) If you're pre-menopausal, and still having periods...you

only want to apply the cream in the luteal phase of

your cycle (i.e., beginning around day 12 or 14 of

your cycle, through the end of your cycle.) This timing

is important...because this is when you would normally

be ovulating.  (What I mean is, many pre-menopausal

women have anovulatory cycles - they have a period,

but they don't ovulate. Since no egg is released, no

progesterone is generated.)  Research has shown

that many women have already started Osteoporosis,

long before they enter menopause.



2) If you're into menopause (i.e., you're up around the

age where you expect to stop having your monthly

cycle...and it's been several months since you've had

a period) you want to apply the cream for 25 days,

and then lay off for 5.  By laying off for 5 days,

you allow your receptor sites to stay sensitive to

the progesterone molecule.  If you just applied it every

single day, according to Dr. John Lee, your receptor

sites would eventually "get tired of it" and it would

begin to have less and less effect...until after about 6

months, it would have no effect at all.



Sorry to go on so...but my wife almost got breast

cancer from taking HRT (Hormone Replacement

Therapy)...and her stumbling onto this Dr. John Lee's

research (and the simple idea of using this progesterone

cream, which you can buy at the health food store)

made her problems go away.  The progesterone

molecule is really quite remarkable.



Note:  The above is not intended be medical

advice.  All of the above information is drawn from

Dr. John Lee's books and tapes.  He has helped

thousands of women free themselves from the

HRT/estrogen prison they were in...and in the

process...he assisted them in learning how to

employ totally natural techniques on the road to

better health.  Women who previously had

Osteoporosis, not only reversed it, but began to

grow new bone...thus turning around their Bone

Mineral Density (BMD) scores.  (Know someone

who has Osteoporsis?  Get them one of this books.

Direct them to his site: johnleemd.com.  Amazing

stuff.)



Also, women who had fibrocystic breasts, or

calcifications...who began using natural progesterone

cream...witnessed their mammograms clear up for

the first time in their life.



Many women who had uterine fibroids who began using

the cream, discovered months later that their fibroids

had drastically reduced in size...or even disappeared.



Women who were told by their M.D. that they needed

a total hysterectomy...who stumbled onto this idea

of buying something totally natural, and simply applying

1/4 teaspoon of this cream - twice a day - to their hands,

or neck, or chest, or breasts, etc., discovered to their

total delight and amazement that all their "women's

hormone problems" just went away...once they got

their hormones back into balance.



My sister-in-law was told by her ob-gyn that she should

have a total hysterectomy.  My wife introduced her to

Dr. John Lee's books, she bought some of the cream,

began using it...and months later called and practically

screamed into the phone, "I feel so much better...I just

can't believe it!!!"  She didn't need to get a hysterectomy

after all.  She slept better.  She had more energy.



And, I could go on...



James











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: progesterone

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:12:52 +0300

--------

<jgilbert@attglobal.net> wrote:



>Women who were told by their M.D. that they needed

>a total hysterectomy...who stumbled onto this idea

>of buying something totally natural, and simply applying

>1/4 teaspoon of this cream - twice a day - to their hands,

>or neck, or chest, or breasts, etc., discovered to their

>total delight and amazement that all their "women's

>hormone problems" just went away...once they got

>their hormones back into balance.



NOT the breasts.



Female fat tissues, OK, that's where we store our normal cycle estrogen and

progesterone to be spit out as estrogen. But put progesterone cream on your

breasts and watch them ache. And perhaps get a growth or two. Which, in the long

run, will make you ache even worse ...



The usual spot for these creams is the hips and thighs. The breasts are _far_

too delicate to support largish amounts of hormones.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: progesterone

From: tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001)

Date: 15 Jul 2001 12:57:15 GMT

--------

>Henriette Kress hetta@saunalahti.fi 

wrote:

><jgilbert@attglobal.net> wrote:

>

>>Women who were told by their M.D. that they needed

>>a total hysterectomy...who stumbled onto this idea

>>of buying something totally natural, and simply applying

>>1/4 teaspoon of this cream - twice a day - to their hands,

>>or neck, or chest, or breasts, etc., discovered to their

>>total delight and amazement that all their "women's

>>hormone problems" just went away...once they got

>>their hormones back into balance.

>

>NOT the breasts.

>

>Female fat tissues, OK, that's where we store our normal cycle estrogen and

>progesterone to be spit out as estrogen. But put progesterone cream on your

>breasts and watch them ache. And perhaps get a growth or two. Which, in the

>long

>run, will make you ache even worse ...

>

>The usual spot for these creams is the hips and thighs. The breasts are _far_

>too delicate to support largish amounts of hormones.

>

>Henriette



So you are in direct disagreement to Dr. Lee on this?



Tony









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Subject: Re: progesterone

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:52:34 +0300

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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:



>>The usual spot for these creams is the hips and thighs. The breasts are _far_

>>too delicate to support largish amounts of hormones.

>

>So you are in direct disagreement to Dr. Lee on this?



If he says to put progesterone cream on the breasts, yes.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: progesterone

From: jgilbert@bwn.net (James Gilbert)

Date: 15 Jul 2001 20:25:16 -0700

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Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message news:<7083ltcv7009a40ocm4obnbvbnqifnodai@4ax.com>...

> tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:

> 

> >> The usual spot for these creams is the hips and thighs.

> >> The breasts are _far_

> >> too delicate to support largish amounts of hormones.

> >

> > So you are in direct disagreement to Dr. Lee on this?

> 

> If he says to put progesterone cream on the breasts, yes.

> 

> Henriette



There was actually an interesting study done on this

very subject.  There were 40 women, who were

scheduled to go into the hospital in 10 days for minor

breast surgery.  (For example, to have some benign

tissue removed.)



The people conducting the study wanted to know the

effect of applying progesterone cream on the breasts.

While they were at it, they also wanted to know what

the effect of estrogen cream would be.



So, they divided the 40 women up into 4 groups of 10.

Each of the women were given a container of cream,

and told to apply it to their breasts every day,

until they went in for surgery in 10 days.



Ten of the women were given containers of progesterone

cream.  Another ten were given estrogen cream.

Ten more were given a combination of the two. And

finally, the last 10 were given a placebo cream.



None of the 40 women were told which cream they

were given.



So, they all did as instructed...and after 10 days,

they went in for their surgery...and their benign

tissue was removed.



Each of the 40 women had some of their tissue

examined under a microscope.  What the researchers

were looking for...was the mitosis rate of the

cells.  That is, the rate at which the cells

were dividing...so they could multiply.



According to Dr. John Lee, the normal rate at

which our cells divide...is about 1/2 cell per

thousand.  I translate that to mean...that for

every 2 thousand cells you look at...you're probably

going to find one of them going through mitosis.



The group of women who had been given progesterone

cream - their mitosis rate had slowed down a bit.

It wasn't even quite the 1/2 cell per thousand.

Or, put another way..."The cells were just happy

being who they were.  They were in no hurry to

multiply."



The group of women who had been given the estrogen

cream...their mitosis rate was about twice the

normal rate (if I remember right.)  This didn't

surprise the researchers...because estrogen had

been labeled as a known carcinogen.  I'm no doctor,

but that's exactly what cancer is, right?  When the

mitosis rate of the cells picks up to an abnormally

high rate.



The group of women who had been given the 

combination cream...their mitosis rate (of their

breast tissue which had been examined) was higher

than normal...but it wasn't doubled.



And, finally...the women who had been given the

placebo cream (i.e., there wasn't anything in it)

had a normal 1/2 cell per thousand rate of mitosis.



The conclusion of the researchers, was that their

study showed very definitely...that progesterone

helps protect the breast tissue from cancer...and

estrogen helps promote cancerous growth.



This was a double-blind, in vivo, placebo controlled,

fully randomized study (what they call the gold

standard, or something like that.)



Don't forget how beneficial to your body the

progesterone hormone is.  During pregnancy, for

example the 3rd trimester, a woman's placenta is

generating between 400 and 500 milligrams of

progesterone a day.  This stuff has been proven

to have remarkable benefits and properties.



Did you know that they've discovered that brain

cells contain 20 times the levels of progesterone

as the rest of the body?  One particular study

showed that people who have high levels of

progesterone in their brain cells when they

sustain trauma to the head (and thus the brain)

that their chances of recovery are much greater.



Another benefit that researchers have discovered,

of progesterone, is that it can actually improve

your resistance to a heart attack.



Sorry to go on, and on...but my wife avoided

breast cancer (in my opinion) because she stopped

using Hormone Replacement Therapy...and began

applying natural progesterone cream (to her hips

one day, her neck the next day, her forearms the

next, her abdomen the next, and her breasts the

next day, etc.)  After 9 months, when she went

back for a mammogram...not only had her non-atypical

hyperplasia "disappeared" but also, for the

first time since she was 19...her fibrocystic

breasts had cleared up.



Also, I should probably clarify something, if I

previously implied that she was applying

progesterone cream to her breasts every day,

because that was a misstatement.  If there's one

thing Dr. John Lee is clear about, it's that you

NOT apply it in the same place every day.



Regards,



James





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Subject: Re: progesterone

From: Linda N <linda_n@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:28:55 GMT

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On 15 Jul 2001 20:25:16 -0700, jgilbert@bwn.net (James Gilbert) wrote:



>Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message news:<7083ltcv7009a40ocm4obnbvbnqifnodai@4ax.com>...

>> tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:

>> 

>> >> The usual spot for these creams is the hips and thighs.

>> >> The breasts are _far_

>> >> too delicate to support largish amounts of hormones.

>> >

>> > So you are in direct disagreement to Dr. Lee on this?

>> 

>> If he says to put progesterone cream on the breasts, yes.

>> 

>> Henriette

>

>There was actually an interesting study done on this

>very subject.  There were 40 women, who were

>scheduled to go into the hospital in 10 days for minor

>breast surgery.  (For example, to have some benign

>tissue removed.)



(snip)



I only wish Dr. Lee understood the herb Chastberry. 



In his book, "What Your Doctor May Not Tell you about Menopause"  Dr.

Lee claims that: Estrogen dominance increases mucus glucose, thereby

facilitating candida growth." (pg. 255)



Whether or not that is true, Dr Lee is missing another important piece

of the estrogen dominance puzzle, and that is candida albicans

overgrowth, (caused by over use of antibiotics in medicine and in

agriculture...they permiate our food supply...and the over use of

corticosteriods in medicine as well), also contributes to estrogen

dominance by virture of the fact that candida eats progesterone for

breakfast!



I quote "The Yeast Syndrome" by John Parks Trowbridge, M.D. and Morton

Walker, D.P.M pg. 61, "From his studies, Dr. Feldman found that

corticosterone and progesterone were the yeast's two most favored

steriods.  He found that the Candida receptor is even better at

absorbing steriods and seeking steriod substance than were the animal

receptors studied."



Many a candida patient has found that rubbing in natural progesterone

creams made their candida kick up big time, and they were thus undoing

any of the positive effects of the progesterone cream.  I am a candida

patient and I found that even taking chasteberry herb (which signals

the pituitary to reduce the estrogen to progesterone ratio) initially

kicked up my candida somewhat as well.   I couldn't take it at first

but kept on trying.  I had to make concerted efforts to keep my

candida very under control at first while doing this.



Then, slowly, finally, over time, as the chasteberrry (along with

black cohosh) started straightening out my hormones, my fibrocystic

breast disease is diminishing.  I haven't been checked out yet to see

if my small uterine fibroid is fading, but I expect postive results in

that area as well.



When it comes to natural methods of dealing with disease, for me at

least, I will choose herbs and supplements first, before I even try

something like natural hormones.



My 2 cents,

LindaN







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Subject: Re: progesterone

From: tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001)

Date: 15 Jul 2001 12:55:07 GMT

--------

>jgilbert@attglobal.net 

wrote:

> Because of all the estrogenic

>substances we're bombarded with every day in our

>industrialized society...these steps are becoming more

>and more necessary to combat this.



So then Progesterone would be equally important for men as all of these

estrogenic substances are leading to supressed Testosterone levels, right?



Tony









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Subject: Re: progesterone

From: jgilbert@bwn.net (James Gilbert)

Date: 15 Jul 2001 20:43:31 -0700

--------

tonyz2001@aol.com wrote...

<snip> 

> So then Progesterone would be equally important for men as all of these

> estrogenic substances are leading to supressed Testosterone levels, right?

> 

> Tony



I'm not as informed on this topic...



But, what I have heard Dr. John Lee say regarding

men and progesterone is...



He says that men generate a certain amount of estrogen

too (estradiol, I believe.) I never knew this until

I heard it on one of his tapes.



Everything's fine, he says, until 45 or 50...when the

strength of a man's testosterone starts to wane, or

decrease. 



That's when, he says, a man's estrogen (now being

somewhat unopposed) is somehow able to break down

the testerone, to the more harmful dihydrotestosterone (DHT)



Apparently, it's this DHT that can lead to (or contribute

to) prostate cancer.



So, Dr. John Lee has said that he's actually using

the progesterone cream himself...to prevent this

from happening.



I guess, the progesterone has the same ability, in men,

to oppose estrogen...just as it does in women.



Sorry for the long answer...but that's what I've heard

on the subject.



Regards,



James





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Subject: Re: Herbs to boost Adrenal function?

From: herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle)

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:47:35 GMT

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On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:33:44 +0200, Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

wrote:



>I've been meaning to redo the comfrey controversy entry of the medicinal

>herbfaq for for some time now. Perhaps I'll get around to it one of

>these days.



Hope you get this done soon, Henriette. The PA-poo is hitting the fan here in

the U.S. in the past few weeks. I have seen 'scare-tactics' about comfrey in

two major publications in the past week alone. I believe the FDA is getting

ready to yank it.



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Subject: Re: Herbs to boost Adrenal function?

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 12 Jul 2001 09:59:38 GMT

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On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:33:44 +0200, Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

wrote, and Anya more recently responded:



>I've been meaning to redo the comfrey controversy entry of the medicinal

>herbfaq for for some time now. Perhaps I'll get around to it one of

>these days.



)Hope you get this done soon, Henriette. The PA-poo is hitting the fan here in

)the U.S. in the past few weeks. I have seen 'scare-tactics' about comfrey in

)two major publications in the past week alone. I believe the FDA is getting

)ready to yank it.



)         Anya  {{{*_*}}}



I read a news item to that effect.  URL was posted to herb emailing list, and

I HTML-tagged and added it to my bookmarks file:



<a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/597162.asp?0si=-&cp1=1#BODY">FDA on comfrey</a>



It looked scary.  If the FDA really wanted to protect people from harmful

plants, they could ban tobacco.  I think Symphytum officinale was supposed to be

much safer than Symphytum x uplandicum.



Comfrey can be used externally as needed with very little danger to the liver.

FDA has no qualms about rubbing alcohol, which has some external uses but is not

to be used internally.  So would the FDA ban comfrey for external as well as

internal use?









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Subject: Re: Herbs to boost Adrenal function?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:12:53 +0300

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"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net> wrote:



>It looked scary.  If the FDA really wanted to protect people from harmful

>plants, they could ban tobacco.  I think Symphytum officinale was supposed to be

>much safer than Symphytum x uplandicum.



It is.



Henriette



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Subject: re:liver cleanse...

From: "razor505" <ask@4it.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:20:25 +0000 (UTC)

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the gallbladder liver and ductwork can be cleansed by a combonation of 2oz

extra v olive oil and 4oz of an acid juice ok pinapple etc. be ready for

slight pain through the night as you drink one glass 1hr before bed the

other just before bed.  you may try some gold coin grass to help brake up

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Subject: Herbal supplements & surgery ..FYI

From: "Brhyer" <Bryher_m@excite.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:05:58 +0100

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HERBAL PILL RISK DURING SURGERY

Up to one in three patients undergoing surgery could be risking their

health by taking herbal supplements, according to a new study.

Scientists at the University of Chicago found that taking so-called

'natural' remedies can have potentially serious consequences. They

found that garlic, gingko and ginseng increase the risk of

haemorrhage, echinacea can interfere with wound healing, ephedra can

adversely affect the heartbeat, ginseng lowers blood sugar, kava and

valerian potentiate the effects of anaesthetics, and St John's wort

can reduce the effect of traditional drugs by increasing the rate at

which the body eliminates them.

Writing in the Journal of the American Medical Association, the team

suggests that little information is available to patients about the

dangers of herbal medication, yet the eight remedies they studied

accounted for more than half of all single herb preparations sold in

the US. Doctors should also take an interest - report author Dr

Jonathan Moss said: 'Physicians should be familiar with all

medications - conventional or herbal - their patients are taking.'

(The Daily Telegraph, The Times, The Independent)

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/news/index.asp?y=2001&m=7&d=11#id56197











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Subject: Re: Herbal supplements & surgery ..FYI

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:12:55 +0300

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"Brhyer" <Bryher_m@excite.co.uk> wrote:



>HERBAL PILL RISK DURING SURGERY

>Up to one in three patients undergoing surgery could be risking their

>health by taking herbal supplements, according to a new study.

>Scientists at the University of Chicago found that taking so-called

>'natural' remedies can have potentially serious consequences. They

>found that garlic, gingko and ginseng increase the risk of

>haemorrhage, echinacea can interfere with wound healing, ephedra can

>adversely affect the heartbeat, ginseng lowers blood sugar, kava and

>valerian potentiate the effects of anaesthetics, and St John's wort

>can reduce the effect of traditional drugs by increasing the rate at

>which the body eliminates them.

>Writing in the Journal of the American Medical Association, the team



The science behind this is _really_ shaky. Several groups of professional

herbalists are looking into the backgrounds, methods and assumptions, and will

have comments up soonish.



So check the NIMH (UK) site in a week or two: http://www.btinternet.com/~nimh/

Try Medical Herbalism, also in a week or two: http://www.medherb.com

and perhaps the AHG site will have something up by then, too:

http://www.americanherbalistsguild.com/





Herbs are too popular and need curbing, so let's just compromise our honesty a

teensy, leetle bit; it's sure to get us into the papers, too, so we'll get more

research moneys for our next project... 



Perhaps I'm too cynical. Perhaps the researchers _really_ think that herbs are

dangerous, and don't even see how skewed their results are.



Whichever it is, ignore it, it's just JAMA doing inaccurate hatchet jobs again. 



Serious scientific peer-reviewed articles on _herbal_ articles? In JAMA? Pull

the other one, it's got bells on it.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Herbal supplements & surgery ..FYI

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 14 Jul 2001 12:24:03 GMT

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> Up to one in three patients undergoing surgery could be risking their

> health by taking herbal supplements, according to a new study.

> Scientists at the University of Chicago found that taking so-called

> 'natural' remedies can have potentially serious consequences. They

> found that garlic, gingko and ginseng increase the risk of

> haemorrhage, echinacea can interfere with wound healing, ephedra can

> adversely affect the heartbeat, ginseng lowers blood sugar, kava and

> valerian potentiate the effects of anaesthetics, and St John's wort

> can reduce the effect of traditional drugs by increasing the rate at

> which the body eliminates them.



Most of which appears to be saying that it's the drugs used in surgery

which are the main cause of the problem.



It's quite routine for surgeons/anaesthetists to adjust the dosage of

these drugs when their patient is on other medication.  Funny how they

can't get their heads round the concept when that other medication is

herbal.



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Subject: Re: Herbal supplements & surgery ..FYI

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:59:32 -0700

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"bogus address" <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote in message

news:7926@purr.demon.co.uk...



> Most of which appears to be saying that it's the drugs used in surgery

> which are the main cause of the problem.

>

> It's quite routine for surgeons/anaesthetists to adjust the dosage of

> these drugs when their patient is on other medication.  Funny how they

> can't get their heads round the concept when that other medication is

> herbal.



In defense of the anethetists, it's not as easy to adjust to herbal

supplements, because the active ingredients in many cases aren't

standardized.  Also, people tend to leave the herbs they take off the list

of medications, because they don't think of them as a medication.



On the other hand, there's a lot of scare tactics used to make people

fearful of taking vitamins and herbs, and I think saying "you could endanger

your health by taking herbs before surgery" is one of them.  It's no big

deal - if you're going to be having surgery, don't take them.  But a lot of

people will see "herbs" and "endanger your health" in the same sentence and

not take in much else.



Katherine











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Subject: thread worms 

From: "Zam" <inter-network-solutions@australiamail.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:24:17 +1000

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Thanks for your replies on aloe vera.

Has anyone got any herbal remedies on killing thread worms .

thanks ,

Zam









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Subject: Re: thread worms

From: "Shirley Hess" <shirley.hess@lexis-nexis.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:13:40 -0400

--------

Do a search on google.com.  They have several articles on thread worms.

"Zam" <inter-network-solutions@australiamail.com> wrote in message

news:3b4c44bb$0$20902$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...

> Thanks for your replies on aloe vera.

> Has anyone got any herbal remedies on killing thread worms .

> thanks ,

> Zam

>

>









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Subject: Herbals to treat dog ear yeast infection

From: tesaje@mybizrate.com (Mary)

Date: 11 Jul 2001 05:33:24 -0700

--------

Does anybody know of herbal preparations to treat a persistent yeast

infection in a dog's ear?  I have tried years of the Vet antifungals,

went to the yeast infection aisle of the drug store for more medicines

to try but the infection at best recedes only to come back soon after.

 The vet doesn't know of any other drugs to try and the last one she

switched me to did nothing at all.  I've regularly cleaned the dog's

ears to ensure the medicine gets to the infection, all to no avail.



The herbs I've tried were tea tree oil, calendula, and St. John's Wort

tinctures applied topically.  I have changed the dog's food and that

makes no difference either.  I've treated her with acidolpholus

cultures and nothing.  This dog also has a chronic, impossible to cure

infection around the outside of her vulva too.  Any ideas for more

effective treatment?  I have run out of any more ideas and can't find

any references to try anything more.  The vet is of no help anymore.



Mary





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Subject: Re: Herbals to treat dog ear yeast infection

From: "small voice" <carryfar@prodigy.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:48:10 -0700

--------

Mary  says:



"I have changed the dog's food and that

makes no difference either".



What kind of food do you feed her?   My  dog had a persistant skin infection

for years! and changing him to a wheat/corn free diet fixed it.  He had been

having an allergic reaction and I didn't have a clue.  He also was prone to

ear infections which also went away.  I'd try a different diet again for a

least 3 months.

sv









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Subject: Re: Herbals to treat dog ear yeast infection

From: leeco11@aol.com (LeeCo11)

Date: 12 Jul 2001 16:52:22 GMT

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>Does anybody know of herbal preparations to treat a persistent yeast

>infection in a dog's ear?



I would use caprilic acid, [ mashed or in liquid form.] INTERNALLY. depending

on the size of the dog, i would start with about 5 tablets, all mashed together

& give 2x a day.  As the dog adjusts, INCREASE the dosage by 1 or 2 tablets

daily. Dog may appear lethargic, might have upset tummy, nausea, etc. 

DO NOTHING TO ALLEVIATE THESES SYMPTOMS, [other than extra love &

attention,] as this is the "yeast" dying off & leaving the system. 

continue this until all signs of the infection abates. 

it would be very good to change her diet as well. Cooked BROWN rice,

with steamed carrots, broccoli, chicken, whatever she will eat, & you

might be surprised at what she will eat. [if for the 1st few days on

the caprillic, she doesn't want to eat, do not force her. she knows what

is best for her system.]



Caprilic acid is from the coconut. It is available in most pharmacies as

well as health food stores. I may have misspelled "caprillic" - -if so, 

this is the phoenitic -- " ka prill ick "

this is also excellent for yeast in the human system as well. 



Not being in the medical field, I am not "prescribing". I only SHARE

what I would do if in your position. 





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Subject: Re: Herbals to treat dog ear yeast infection

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:37:10 -0700

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"LeeCo11" <leeco11@aol.com> wrote in message

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> I may have misspelled "caprillic"



Caprylic.



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Subject: Re: Herbals to treat dog ear yeast infection

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:51:20 -0700

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"N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote in message

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> Katherine, aka The Spelling Fairy, crusing through.....



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Subject: Re: Herbals to treat dog ear yeast infection

From: tesaje@mybizrate.com (Mary)

Date: 17 Jul 2001 07:58:24 -0700

--------

Thanks for the ideas.  I did a search on Caprilic acid and found

nothing indicating it would be harmful, so it is worth a try.  If this

dog fails to eat, she will be very, very sick.  She's a real pig and

will eat almost anything.  I have to restrict her food to keep her

from getting fat.  The Vet also thinks she's got allergies, but so

far, allergy treatments have failed to do anything for her. 

Fortunately, her infections are restricted to just her vulva and ear.

Some dogs have them all over their skin.  I found a study using a 2%

boric acid and 2% acetic acid solution once per day in the infected

ear for 7 days that seemed more effective than the Otomax was in the

clinical trials (only about 80% effective).  I also found out the

canine yeast infections are not Candidia spp., but are Malassezia spp.

 I don't know if the Caprilic acid is effective against the Malassezia

spp.  I could find nothing on it except against Candidia.



I've used the boric acid/acetic acid solution for 5 days.  I can't

tell how effective it is.  The dog's ear canal is so irritated, it's

difficult to tell whether the yeast are dying or not.  The clinical

trial for the boric acid/acetic acid solution was for 7 days, then 7

days of nothing.  I was going to go for 14 days, but I think I will

try the nothing to see if her tissues will get less irritated the

second week.  There's still the vulva irritation to address, so

something internal might help.  Thanks again.



Mary



leeco11@aol.com (LeeCo11) wrote in message news:<20010712125222.25162.00001485@ng-mp1.aol.com>...

> >Does anybody know of herbal preparations to treat a persistent yeast

> >infection in a dog's ear?

> 

> I would use caprilic acid, [ mashed or in liquid form.] INTERNALLY. depending

> on the size of the dog, i would start with about 5 tablets, all mashed together

> & give 2x a day.  As the dog adjusts, INCREASE the dosage by 1 or 2 tablets

> daily. Dog may appear lethargic, might have upset tummy, nausea, etc. 

> DO NOTHING TO ALLEVIATE THESES SYMPTOMS, [other than extra love &

> attention,] as this is the "yeast" dying off & leaving the system. 

> continue this until all signs of the infection abates. 

> it would be very good to change her diet as well. Cooked BROWN rice,

> with steamed carrots, broccoli, chicken, whatever she will eat, & you

> might be surprised at what she will eat. [if for the 1st few days on

> the caprillic, she doesn't want to eat, do not force her. she knows what

> is best for her system.]

> 

> Caprilic acid is from the coconut. It is available in most pharmacies as

> well as health food stores. I may have misspelled "caprillic" - -if so, 

> this is the phoenitic -- " ka prill ick "

> this is also excellent for yeast in the human system as well. 

> 

> Not being in the medical field, I am not "prescribing". I only SHARE

> what I would do if in your position.





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Subject: Re: Herbals to treat dog ear yeast infection

From: "Dawson" <abccd@>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:52:13 -0500

--------

Found this website while looking for a natural cure for mange (haven't found

one yet, any suggestions?).  I don't know how trustworthy it is, but it

makes sense.  http://www.patmckay.com/YeastInfection.html









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Subject: Re: Herbals to treat dog ear yeast infection

From: leeco11@aol.com (LeeCo11)

Date: 12 Jul 2001 16:54:14 GMT

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continued from first post



ps

after the 1st week on the caprilic acid, i would add acidophelious [sp]

as that will help put back & balance the "good" fauna within the system.







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Subject: herbs for hard work

From: Julia Maddocks <julia.maddocks@zoom.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:25:26 +0100

--------

My bf has a job which is very physically demanding, and he is often

tired and achy at the end of the day



any ideas for herbs which will help?



Julia







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Subject: Re: herbs for hard work

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 11 Jul 2001 16:36:22 GMT

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St John's Wort tincture internally and you can rub his aching bones with the

oil.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: herbs for hard work

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 12 Jul 2001 00:48:02 GMT

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Bilherbs <bilherbs@aol.com> wrote in article

<20010711123622.11491.00007031@ng-fc1.aol.com>...

> St John's Wort tincture internally and you can rub his aching bones with

the

> oil.



Arnica gel is great for achey muscles...it gets the blood moving in the

tissues and clears away the toxins.  Doesn't smell all that great, but a

layer of lotion over it usually takes care of that problem.



And of course, there's always the old standby...TLC.  ;  )



Saskia

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Subject: Re: herbs for hard work

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:47:01 -0700

--------



"Julia Maddocks" <julia.maddocks@zoom.co.uk> wrote in message

news:3B4C53C6.E0316CC6@zoom.co.uk...

> My bf has a job which is very physically demanding, and he is often

> tired and achy at the end of the day

>

> any ideas for herbs which will help?



Arnica gel, traumeel, massage with badger oil, or a hot bath with epsom

salts....



Katherine











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Subject: Re: herbs for hard work

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:42:16 -0700

--------

"N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote:





>

>Arnica gel, traumeel, massage with badger oil, 



  Badger oil?  How do you extract oil from a badger?  



Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: herbs for hard work

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:02:52 -0700

--------



"Tsu Dho Nimh" <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:763rktk6c5u9fomnh4jqu8d64e1jtaghnu@4ax.com...

> "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote:

> >

> >Arnica gel, traumeel, massage with badger oil,

>

>   Badger oil?  How do you extract oil from a badger?



First, catch a badger.....



Seriously, though, it's a massage oil made with cayenne, rosemary, ginger,

and other oils, that works wonders on sore muscles and smells *wonderful*.

It's available at the Wild Oats store, should be available at other natural

markets too.



Katherine











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Subject: Re: herbs for hard work

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:58:37 -0700

--------

"N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote:



>

>"Tsu Dho Nimh" <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>news:763rktk6c5u9fomnh4jqu8d64e1jtaghnu@4ax.com...

>> "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com> wrote:

>> >

>> >Arnica gel, traumeel, massage with badger oil,

>>

>>   Badger oil?  How do you extract oil from a badger?

>

>First, catch a badger.....

>

>Seriously, though, it's a massage oil made with cayenne, rosemary, ginger,

>and other oils, that works wonders on sore muscles and smells *wonderful*.



OK.  I'll cancel the "Save the Badgers" campaign :)   I think we

have a Wild Oats chain around here.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: herbs for hard work

From: "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:07:27 -0400

--------



"Julia Maddocks" <julia.maddocks@zoom.co.uk> wrote in message

news:3B4C53C6.E0316CC6@zoom.co.uk...

> My bf has a job which is very physically demanding, and he is often

> tired and achy at the end of the day

>

> any ideas for herbs which will help?

>

> Julia

--------------------------------------

I jumped into heavy construction work in my mid-40's which was rather a

strain on my system.  I was doing iron work in the sun 8 to 10 hours a day

and this is Florida.   However I took herbs to help cope:   Ginseng (panax &

siberian), spirulina, bee pollen, ginkgo, gotu kola, sarsaparilla, foti.   I

stayed away from anything with ephedra or caffine (as there is plenty of

caffine in the soft drinks on those horrible break trucks.)  ("but the roast

beef is green!"  response:  "well, of course.  It's roast beef.")



Granted I couldn't carry quite the weight the guys could, but I could last

just as long and still have plenty of energy to shoot pool later.   (They

wore out quicker, really, but I think that's probably because they actually

ate the "food"  from those trucks.)



Anyway, I got a lot of teasing about all my pills, but I also got some

respect.  It's like playing with really big toys.



Carolyn















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Subject: Re: herbs for hard work

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:09:58 -0700

--------



"Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com> wrote in message

news:9ikect$vv1$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net...

>



> (They

> wore out quicker, really, but I think that's probably because they

actually

> ate the "food"  from those trucks.)



Carolyn brings up a good point, and that is that you can't hold up under the

load if you don't eat well.  So along with all the herbal remedies people

are suggesting, I think it will help if your bf eats really well - lots of

complex carbs, veggies, and protein, and no junk food for the time being.



Katherine











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Subject: Re: herbs for hard work

From: Julia Maddocks <julia.maddocks@zoom.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:10:22 +0100

--------

Thank you for all your suggestions.



I think I'll try and make some Badger Oil and maybe put some Hypericum

in it too



He's delighted that you're all being so kind



Julia



Julia Maddocks wrote:



> My bf has a job which is very physically demanding, and he is often

> tired and achy at the end of the day

>

> any ideas for herbs which will help?

>

> Julia







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Subject: Re: Herbs to block Estrogen?

From: "Axel Grease" <Axel@NoSpam.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:17:45 -0400

--------

>Dr. John Lee would probably tell you to try some natural

>progesterone (i.e., available at your local health food store.)

><snips> He actually mentions how he himself

>uses natural progesterone to prevent the breakdown of testosterone into

>DHT (a more harmful form of testosterone.)





What does Dr, Lee say about Saw Palmetto berries for 5 alpha reductase

supression?

(... as a simple tea ... or as a concentrate in pills or other media)



Axel









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Subject: Re: Herbs to block Estrogen?

From: "James Gilbert" <jamesgilbert01@home.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:55:06 GMT

--------

> What does Dr, Lee say about Saw Palmetto berries for 5 alpha reductase

> supression? (... as a simple tea ... or as a concentrate in pills or other

media)

>



I've not actually heard him talk on this subject.  However, funny you should

mention this; I came across this article (and sent it to someone) just the

other day:



It was copied from Life Enhancement Magazine:



"New studies confirm that 5-alpha reductase, the enzyme that

converts testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), may contribute

to the production of unwanted facial and body hair growth (hirsutism)

and in thinning hair (alopecia) in women. The most recent research

shows that the prescription drug finasteride (Proscar) blocks the

actions of 5-alpha reductase. This is exciting news, because saw

palmetto extract can achieve similar results at lower cost, without a

prescription, and without the undesirable side effects associated with

Proscar."



"In the study, Proscar was given to 11 women of various ages with

different degrees of hirsutism and different levels of testosterone.

Despite the fact that the women's hirsutism was attributed to various

causes, all but one of the women experienced a decrease in the

amount, thickness, and degree of hair growth over the six month

period of this study."



"Inhibition of 5-alpha reductase may also prevent acne caused by high

concentrations of 5-alpha reductase in skin, which leads to the local

conversion of testosterone to DHT.  When samples from 23 male

and 21 female young-to-elderly subjects were analyzed, a particular

isozyme (a structurally related enzyme) of 5-alpha reductase,

predominated in the skin of older patients with acne. While Proscar

could not inhibit this isoenzyme, Saw Palmetto could. Anecdotal

reports do indeed support the possible value of Saw Palmetto in this

regard."



"It is important to stress that it is DHT- not testosterone - that is

responsible for secondary male sex characteristics when they occur

in women."



As you can tell...I sent this particular article to a woman, but I thought

it might still be of interest.



James









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Subject: Re: Herbs to block Estrogen?

From: "Axel Grease" <Axel@NoSpam.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:13:23 -0400

--------

James Gilbert wrote in message

<_xs37.496045oc7.83442094@news2.rdc2.tx.home.com>...

>> about Saw Palmetto berries for 5 alpha reductase

>> supression

>I've not actually heard him talk on this subject.  However, funny you

should

>mention this;

>I came across this article (and sent it to someone) just the

>other day:

>It was copied from Life Enhancement Magazine:



James ..

Do you still have the original magazine?

Can you determine the year and month it was published?

If so, please, post it here.

Saw Palmetto berry is one of the few herbals that has had any good effect on

my endocrine system.. particularly Testosterone and DHT as relates to Benign

Prostatic Hyperplasia (BHP).  BHP and Prostatic cancer run in my family.



I want to find the articles to try to learn more about their testing

techniques and possibly even contact the researchers involved for more

information, if I can.



Axel









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Subject: Re: Herbs to block Estrogen?

From: <jgilbert@attglobal.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:48:07 -0600

--------



"Axel Grease" <Axel@NoSpam.com> wrote...

> <snip>

>

> James ..

> Do you still have the original magazine?



Here's the url: www.life-enhancement.com/displayart.asp?ID=16



I found this by going to http://www.google.com and doing a search

on saw palmetto.



Hope that helps,



James









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Subject: Re: Hulda Clarke's clinic closing

From: Foxfire <foxfire@piglet.ASARian.org>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:57:30 -0400 (EDT)

--------

I was a one visit client of Ms. Clarke, and for what it's worth, I liked

her. 



I think "fraud" is way too strong of a word. She was clearly a true

believer in her own theories, though I could not fit them into my view of

reality. At my request, and without hesitation, she showed me the

schematic of one of her unusual electronic machines.  Furthermore, she was

very interested in what I could tell her about its internal operation. I

think someone intentionally perpetrating fraud, in the legal sense, would

not do this.



Even if she is wrong about a lot of things, I certainly have no wish to

see her die in prison the way Wilhelm Reich did. 



And, um, I assume that most of the herbalists on A.F.H. are not real

doctors, very few herbal treatments that are mentioned here have been

proven in the courtroom sense, and everyone knows that many pharma cures

are so unreasonably expensive that they take advantage of the families of

the sick.  :) 



Sean

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> 

> BC Health and Immigration departments have decided to take a

> REALLY close look at the credentials and immigration status of

> the clinic staff, and treatments offered by the clinics.  Anyone

> acting like a doctor and offernig treatments will have to go

> through the same credentials exam and have the same immigration

> status as any other MD.  And anyone acting like a doctor without

> the proper credentials may get deported or jailed or whatever the

> penalty is.

> 

> If you want to protest the spam, this message loosely says "I was

> happy you closed her clinic, and please do not authorize or

> facilitate its reopening. She's a fraud, not a real doctor, the

> treatments have not been proven, and her expensive treatments

> take advantage of the families of the sick.

> 

> ****************









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Subject: phytoestrogens and their effect on breast development

From: "James Gilbert" <jamesgilbert01@home.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:01:59 GMT

--------

We've had several threads lately dealing with naturally

enhancing a woman's breast size by the use of herbs.



Here's an informative site I came across while researching

this topic for my wife:



http://www.allnaturalcurves.com/naturalcurves_science.html





James









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Subject: Re: THE WORLD TREE: Yggdrasil

From: Laurie Brandt <brandtfamily@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:42:30 GMT

--------

The Nores world tree falls under the catagory of "the tree of life,"

you might want to check Thompsen, _Motif index_ for a starting place.

Laurie Wood Brandt



In article <aj9ajtc2akrp8tb7c9lehs5dq4ekr1gqlr@4ax.com>, Taliesin2

<shane.saylor@verizon.net> wrote:



> Looking for detailed info on Yggdrasil. I know the Norse God Odin

> hanged from the tree divining the runes. And I know a little about it,

> but not very much. Any info appreciated TIA

> --

> Justice does exist in the world, whether people choose to practice it or

> not. The men of ability are being avenged. The avenger is reality. Its

> weapon is slow, silent, invisible, and men perceive it only by its

> consequences - by the gutted ruins and the moans of agony it leaves in

> its wake. The name of the weapon is: inflation.

> -- Ayn Rand, "Egalitarianism And Inflation," Philosophy: Who Needs It





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Subject: SUBLINGUAL VINCOPETINE

From: "justin mason" <jam127@csufresno.edu>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:14:47 -0700

--------

where can I purchase an ORAL SUBLINGUAL SPRAY that contains the nutrients,

vincopetine, bilberry, gingko ?

if you know please respond



                   THANKS









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Subject: Re: SUBLINGUAL VINCOPETINE

From: "nijusan" <nijusan@canada.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:13:18 GMT

--------

Sublingual vinpo is quite easy to get/use.  At BAC and maybe other suppliers

(may they be safe from the recent krystalnacht a' la Libsol, Cellcare) one

buys pure xtal vinpo.  Just spoon out a wee amount and let it dissolve under

yr tongue.   Nothing to it.



The shear volume of effective doses of Gingko, Billberry, etc. mitigates

against convienient sublingual use, AFAIK







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Subject: Endometriosis

From: endo <nospam@newsranger.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:39:58 GMT

--------

My wife suffers from Endometriosis.

She has been operated once. 

She is now taking "Evening Primrose Oil" &

"ChasteBerry capsules" (vitex agnus castea)

for 1 year



She feels better now.

Whats the right dosage of these herbal medicines.

Also any other stuff which can help her ?









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Subject: Re: Endometriosis

From: Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:20:30 -0400

--------

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:39:58 GMT, endo <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:



>My wife suffers from Endometriosis.



>Also any other stuff which can help her ?



Maybe a diet change? Here's an article on gluten and endometriosis:



http://www.gluten-free.org/hoggan/endo.txt



And a mailing list thread on dairy and endo:



http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?A1=ind9711&L=no-milk#37



Don <donwiss at panix.com>.





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Subject: Re: Endometriosis

From: "Brhyer" <Bryher_m@excite.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:09:11 +0100

--------

Traditional Chinese medicine has had a lot of success with endometriosis -

might be worth exploring.









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Subject: gum disease...........

From: "Richard A. McCormick" <rich1338@mindspring.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:46:55 -0700

--------

Hi,



I haven't been in here for awhile, but I am back and need some advice. While

I know a bit about herbs I want some other opinions. By the way, I just got

back from Seattle WA and got to meet and took a tour of Paul Beyerl's

gardens and bought his newest book call  the A Compendium of Herbal Magic,

what a wonderful, energetic, insightful, and generous man he is. I hugged

him twice and he signed my book, the Master Book of Herbalism!!! Really

KOOOL!!



Any way, I have met a very special man, I myself am HIV/HCV positive, he is

negative, but suffers from a receding gum thing, and they bleed quite a bit.

I was concerned for him as well as for myself. He is a smoker and that IS

NOT OK with me, so he is working on that, now reveals to me that he has this

gum thing, and of course I e-mailed him back that the 2 are connected, the

smoking may not be the sole cause of the condition, but it is certainly

aggravating it ALLOT!!!! So I told him I would ask around and see what the

herbal community could pass on to us as to what to do about it.



A mouth wash of some sort that would help. an herbal supplement that would

help the situation. Any suggestions would be helpful. I am still waiting to

hear from him if it's been properly diagnosed yet, so I am not sure if it is

bacterial, viral, or life style type of condition, or worse, a mixture

(shudder)



Please help



Thank you so much



Richard : )~

rich1338@furballsmindspring.com

(remove 'furballs' to send message)



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Subject: Re: gum disease...........

From: Dr Corinne B Leek <cleek@ns.sympatico.ca>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:05:34 GMT

--------

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:46:55 -0700, "Richard A. McCormick"

<rich1338@mindspring.com> wrote:



with snips:



>Any way, I have met a very special man, I myself am HIV/HCV positive, he is

>negative, but suffers from a receding gum thing, and they bleed quite a bit.

>I was concerned for him as well as for myself. He is a smoker and that IS

>NOT OK with me, so he is working on that, now reveals to me that he has this

>gum thing, and of course I e-mailed him back that the 2 are connected, the

>smoking may not be the sole cause of the condition, but it is certainly

>aggravating it ALLOT!!!! So I told him I would ask around and see what the

>herbal community could pass on to us as to what to do about it.

Quitting smoking is definitely a Good Thing.  It will assist any

healing that may occur.



>A mouth wash of some sort that would help. an herbal supplement that would

>help the situation. Any suggestions would be helpful. I am still waiting to

>hear from him if it's been properly diagnosed yet, so I am not sure if it is

>bacterial, viral, or life style type of condition, or worse, a mixture

>(shudder)

The very **first** thing to do in an HIV/HCV -ve person (and even in a

+ve) would be to do a thorough review of the person's oral hygiene,

targeting techniques.  

Floss.  It works.

"Get every surface of every tooth clean."  

Brushes can't do it.  Nope.  No way.  

Floss.

And floss gets just under the gum line to get things clean down there,

too.

Physical cleanliness often obviates the need to do any chemical (and

herbal *is* chemical) intervention.



If oral hygiene is perfect, *then* look further.  Any dentist should

tell you that.



--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@ns.sympatico.ca





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Subject: Re: gum disease...........

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:34:35 -0700

--------



"Dr Corinne B Leek" <cleek@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:g36vktsghq7q2m26a99noo3edium0nl1pi@4ax.com...



> If oral hygiene is perfect, *then* look further.  Any dentist should

> tell you that.



A good cleaning by a dental hygenist can help beat back gum disease -  if

your sweetie hasn't had a cleaning in a while he might consider making an

appointment for one.  Getting a water pick can also help, as it can get into

places that floss can be hard to reach.  It has also been found that a lot

of people with gum disease have low folic acid levels, and supplementation

with folic acid can help those people.  Choosing foods without lots of sugar

can also help by reducing plaque formation.  If all else fails a

periodontist can help treat gum disease by cleaning out pockets under the

gum line after numbing the area.



What Corinne said, though, is spot on.  Aggressive dental hygiene is the

best first line treatment of  gum disease.  It's inexpensive, often

completely effective all on its own, and is an essential complement to any

other course of treatment.



Katherine











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Subject: Pennyroyal tea?

From: Jane Weeks <norchestra@sympatico.ca>

Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:40:02 -0400

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I have lots of pennyroyal which I'm using to keep mosquitos and fleas out of

the house, but it smells so wonderful I wonder if a tea can be made from it.

Does anybody know if it's safe to take internally?



Jane







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Subject: Re: Pennyroyal tea?

From: Julia Maddocks <julia.maddocks@zoom.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:07:33 +0100

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It's safe, but avoid completely during pregnancy.



I find that it eases my period pain if I take it for a cpouple of days before

then during my period



Julia



Jane Weeks wrote:



> I have lots of pennyroyal which I'm using to keep mosquitos and fleas out of

> the house, but it smells so wonderful I wonder if a tea can be made from it.

> Does anybody know if it's safe to take internally?

>

> Jane







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Subject: Re: Pennyroyal tea?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:00:51 -0700

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Jane Weeks <norchestra@sympatico.ca> wrote:



>I have lots of pennyroyal which I'm using to keep mosquitos and fleas out of

>the house, but it smells so wonderful I wonder if a tea can be made from it.

>Does anybody know if it's safe to take internally?



As a flavored teas, for ADULTS, it's ok in small doses (but mint

is better).  It was used, chopped, as a salad ingredient in

medieval times. (may have kept the fleas off the nobility). 



It KILLED an infant in California whose parents mistook it for

mint, and were giving the kid the tea for  colic.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: Pennyroyal tea?

From: Jane Weeks <norchestra@sympatico.ca>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:35:52 -0400

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in article s3ltkt8c9235vr4vpfkur3rtd2eh9gtkhl@4ax.com, Tsu Dho Nimh at

abacaxi@hotmail.com wrote on 7/13/01 7:00 AM:



> Jane Weeks <norchestra@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> 

>> I have lots of pennyroyal which I'm using to keep mosquitos and fleas out of

>> the house, but it smells so wonderful I wonder if a tea can be made from it.

>> Does anybody know if it's safe to take internally?

> 

> As a flavored teas, for ADULTS, it's ok in small doses (but mint

> is better).  It was used, chopped, as a salad ingredient in

> medieval times. (may have kept the fleas off the nobility).

> 

> It KILLED an infant in California whose parents mistook it for

> mint, and were giving the kid the tea for  colic.

> 

> Tsu Dho Nimh

> 

> The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

> gets to do it. 



Thank you all. I'll give it a try...no chance of me becoming pregnant as I'm

through with all that! And I won't give it to kids. It'll be interesting to

see how it compares with the other mints I have in the garden.



Jane







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Subject: Re: Pennyroyal tea?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:26:14 -0700

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Jane Weeks <norchestra@sympatico.ca> wrote:





>Thank you all. I'll give it a try...no chance of me becoming pregnant as I'm

>through with all that! And I won't give it to kids. It'll be interesting to

>see how it compares with the other mints I have in the garden.



  It's quite strong, with a bit of a menthol overtone :(  







Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: slow metabolism needs a boost

From: "mbrown" <mbrown@kih.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:05:42 GMT

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is there anything herbal to help speed up metabolism that doesn't use

ephidrene or mahuang?



mine is sooooooo sloooowwww, and i can't take the other stuff 'cause my

blood pressure's too high... i'm walking every day and watching my intake,

but it seems i'm at a stand still... at least i'm not gaining anymore...



but i need to lose several pounds...



thanks...









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Subject: Re: slow metabolism needs a boost

From: Alan Pollock <nexus@king.cts.com>

Date: 13 Jul 2001 06:56:40 GMT

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mbrown <mbrown@kih.net> wrote:

> is there anything herbal to help speed up metabolism that doesn't use

> ephidrene or mahuang?



> mine is sooooooo sloooowwww, and i can't take the other stuff 'cause my

> blood pressure's too high... i'm walking every day and watching my intake,

> but it seems i'm at a stand still... at least i'm not gaining anymore...



> but i need to lose several pounds...



> thanks...





Try some Ginseng. Either of the two basic types, Asian or American

(Quinquefolium) could help you. If you're a hot type and tend to sweat easily,

American Ginseng, if you're not, perhaps Asian will suit you best. It might

take several weeks to get the full effects, but you could notice an

improvement in energy within days, or even the first day depending on your

sensitivity.



Gotu Kola might also help. It's not an upper (no Kola nut in it), but it might

help you feel better mentally - gain an attitude that will help overall. In

me, Gotu Kola tends to slightly lower blood pressure by the way. 



Eat right. Watch the glycemic index of the foods you eat. Try for foods on the

lower part of the scale, like natural foods with lots of fibre. Find out if

you're more tired at certain times than others, and their relationship with

the times you eat either meals or snacks.



Get an HbA1C blood test done to check for average blood glucose levels over

the past 2-3 months. Simple Blood Glucose level tests are great for diabetics

guaging which foods to avoid, but are virtually useless for first-time

detection, since timing after meals or snacks is crucial. Even when fasting BG

tests don't show anything terribly meaningful in many cases, so HbA1c is the

way to go. Nex





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Subject: Re: slow metabolism needs a boost

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:53:09 -0700

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"Alan Pollock" <nexus@king.cts.com> wrote in message

news:3b4e9ba8$0$281$e2e8da3@nntp.cts.com...

> mbrown <mbrown@kih.net> wrote:



> Get an HbA1C blood test done to check for average blood glucose levels

over

> the past 2-3 months.



And get a full thyroid panel.  I had low thyroid that wasn't picked up by

the usual screening test, and my doctor needed some real persuading to do a

full panel, since my blood pressure was high, and people with hypothyroid

usually have *low* blood pressure.  Sure enough though, when they tested

more thoroughly, they picked up the low thyroid level.



Katherine







Simple Blood Glucose level tests are great for diabetics

> guaging which foods to avoid, but are virtually useless for first-time

> detection, since timing after meals or snacks is crucial. Even when

fasting BG

> tests don't show anything terribly meaningful in many cases, so HbA1c is

the

> way to go. Nex









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Subject: Re: slow metabolism needs a boost

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:02:39 -0700

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"mbrown" <mbrown@kih.net> wrote:



>is there anything herbal to help speed up metabolism that doesn't use

>ephidrene or mahuang?



  Nope.  



>mine is sooooooo sloooowwww, and i can't take the other stuff 'cause my

>blood pressure's too high... i'm walking every day and watching my intake,

>but it seems i'm at a stand still... at least i'm not gaining anymore...



  Keep walking!  It takes 30-60 days for the first metabolic

boosts of exercise to show up.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: slow metabolism needs a boost

From: grifty121@aol.com (Grifty121)

Date: 18 Jul 2001 00:34:21 GMT

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Lose the walking and start running or get on a lifecycle. Your long walk

probably only burns about 200 calories, the same amount in 1 candy bar.





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Subject: Re: slow metabolism needs a boost

From: Alan Pollock <nexus@king.cts.com>

Date: 18 Jul 2001 02:20:47 GMT

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Grifty121 <grifty121@aol.com> wrote:

> Lose the walking and start running or get on a lifecycle. Your long walk

> probably only burns about 200 calories, the same amount in 1 candy bar.



Depends if it's uphill or not. Walking is actually a very good exercise.

Moreover, there are knee and joint issues to think about when deciding to run

or not. Running isn't everything it's cracked-up to be. Nor is walking. 

Problem is, folks tend to get 'religious' when pushing either to the detriment 

of the other. Nex





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Subject: Re: slow metabolism needs a boost

From: grifty121@aol.com (Grifty121)

Date: 18 Jul 2001 03:21:10 GMT

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If you want to lose weight you deal with the 

issues. If being thin were easy then you wouldn't see so many fat people.





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Subject: wild bergamot

From: "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:57:39 -0500

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I have tons of wild bergamot growing on my farm.  Does anyone know if wild

bergamot can be used as a tea the same as the other bergamot varieties?









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Subject: Re: wild bergamot

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:57:21 -0700

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"P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net> wrote in message

news:tkvdeoggpv14ef@corp.supernews.com...

> I have tons of wild bergamot growing on my farm.  Does anyone know if wild

> bergamot can be used as a tea the same as the other bergamot varieties?



The bergamot they use in Earl Grey tea is the oil from the rind of a citrus

fruit that grows in a small section of Italy and in North Africa.  It's not

the same thing as the bergamot you have, just the same name.



Katherine











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Subject: Re: wild bergamot

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:16:38 +0300

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"P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net> wrote:



>I have tons of wild bergamot growing on my farm.  Does anyone know if wild

>bergamot can be used as a tea the same as the other bergamot varieties?



If it's a species of Monarda, you can use it in teas. The effects are much the

same as those of thyme, but boyo, the monardas are _hot_. Try it by chewing on a

bit of the topmost leaves, or on the flowering crown. (The flowers themselves

aren't hot, and can be quite tasty. Few herbs are as mouth-watering as the red

red flowers plucked off the flowerheads of Monarda didyma - which reminds me,

it's in full flower outside, I'll go get some. Yum!)



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "Nuclear" <westdori@iprimus.com.au>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:58:18 +1000

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I wish to make an ethyl alcoholic extract of anti-inflammatory herbs so that

I can apply it topically to my skin. Can someone please tell me the names of

the herbs that posses anti-inflammatory properties? It would be good if you

could tell me the strongest ones first.

Thanks.









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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 14 Jul 2001 15:08:58 GMT

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> I wish to make an ethyl alcoholic extract of anti-inflammatory herbs

> so that I can apply it topically to my skin. Can someone please tell

> me the names of the herbs that posses anti-inflammatory properties?



Ethanol tends to irritate inflamed skin, so a water extract would be

better if you can make one.



Maybe somebody can update me on the following.  A year or two ago

I saw a veterinary magazine that described an experimental treatment

for dermatitis in dogs; it involved a xanthine alkaloid similar to

theophylline which inhibited prostaglandin synthesis.  They were

using the stuff orally and found it more effective than steroids;

they speculated that it would work topically as well.  (Theophylline

itself is toxic to dogs, so presumably the chemical modification was

either to eliminate its effects on the nervous system or to make it

easier for dogs to metabolize).



So does topical application of strong tea have useful anti-inflammatory

effects?  I have pompholyx eczema on the soles of my feet; I'd be quite

happy to put up with staining them dark brown if it stopped the itching

and scaling.



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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: nickycee1 <nickycee1@netscapeonline.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:22:47 +0100

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bogus address wrote:



> > I wish to make an ethyl alcoholic extract of anti-inflammatory herbs

> > so that I can apply it topically to my skin. Can someone please tell

> > me the names of the herbs that posses anti-inflammatory properties?

>

> Ethanol tends to irritate inflamed skin, so a water extract would be

> better if you can make one.

>

> Maybe somebody can update me on the following.  A year or two ago

> I saw a veterinary magazine that described an experimental treatment

> for dermatitis in dogs; it involved a xanthine alkaloid similar to

> theophylline which inhibited prostaglandin synthesis.  They were

> using the stuff orally and found it more effective than steroids;

> they speculated that it would work topically as well.  (Theophylline

> itself is toxic to dogs, so presumably the chemical modification was

> either to eliminate its effects on the nervous system or to make it

> easier for dogs to metabolize).

>

> So does topical application of strong tea have useful anti-inflammatory

> effects?  I have pompholyx eczema on the soles of my feet; I'd be quite

> happy to put up with staining them dark brown if it stopped the itching

> and scaling.

>

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I get that too Jack - stress related for me, without a shadow of a doubt.



I can't imagine applying even strong tea doing anything - those vesicules get

really deep if I don't whap them with a hydrocortisone cream quickly.



Best not to let them get established.  If I control the stress, I don't get them.



regs



Nick







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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "Brhyer" <Bryher_m@excite.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:46:17 +0100

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Isn't that the kind of eczema which comes up in little watery blisters which

itch like  crazy until they burst?

I have a problem with that in the summer & was told by a dermatologist that

it was aggravated by a fungus which can thrive in that area ...(Apologies to

anyone snacking whilst reading this).    Anyway she recommended anti-fungal

treatment to stop it. When it starts to get  really bad that's what I use

and it actually does stop it coming up, though has no effect on anything

already there.





> So does topical application of strong tea have useful anti-inflammatory

> effects?  I have pompholyx eczema on the soles of my feet; I'd be quite

> happy to put up with staining them dark brown if it stopped the itching

> and scaling.

>





.









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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:34:18 +0100

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Brhyer <Bryher_m@excite.co.uk> wrote in message

news:nmj47.32901$WS4.5242378@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...

> Isn't that the kind of eczema which comes up in little watery blisters

which

> itch like  crazy until they burst?

> I have a problem with that in the summer & was told by a dermatologist

that

> it was aggravated by a fungus which can thrive in that area ...(Apologies

to

> anyone snacking whilst reading this).    Anyway she recommended

anti-fungal

> treatment to stop it. When it starts to get  really bad that's what I use

> and it actually does stop it coming up, though has no effect on anything

> already there.

>

>

> > So does topical application of strong tea have useful anti-inflammatory

> > effects?  I have pompholyx eczema on the soles of my feet; I'd be quite

> > happy to put up with staining them dark brown if it stopped the itching

> > and scaling.

> >



Hi



Don't know we have the same thing - pompholyx is big blisters that do itch

like buggery but just seem to get deeper and bigger FAST if I leave them.



There is one kind of cream (canestan something) that has antifungal and a

steroid in there too for the itching - sounds like it would work well for

your thing.



Yuck eh?   and not very herby.



regs



Nick









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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 17 Jul 2001 15:49:58 GMT

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[pompholyx]

>> Isn't that the kind of eczema which comes up in little watery blisters

>> which itch like  crazy until they burst?



It varies in symptoms a bit.  I've had it do that, but now it just itches

and scales with no visible blisters.  Seems to be gradually reducing in

severity with the years; my guess is that the mast cell population in the

affected skin is falling.





>> I have a problem with that in the summer & was told by a dermatologist

>> that it was aggravated by a fungus which can thrive in that area 



Mine's clearly not fungal, I've tried antifungals and they do nothing.

One possibility is nickel allergy; this can affect parts of the body a

long way from the site of exposure, and I have a partial denture that

may contain nickel (can't replace it for months yet).





> There is one kind of cream (canestan something) that has antifungal

> and a steroid in there too for the itching - sounds like it would

> work well for your thing.

> Yuck eh?   and not very herby.



Too right.  Powerful steroid creams are the only thing I've found that

works, combined with Whitfield's ointment to stop the itching and dissolve

the dead skin so the steroid can get down into the dermis.  Somebody here

mentioned borage, I might give that a whirl next year when I can grow

some.



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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:20:36 -0700

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bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address) wrote:



>

>[pompholyx]

>>> Isn't that the kind of eczema which comes up in little watery blisters

>>> which itch like  crazy until they burst?

>

>It varies in symptoms a bit.  I've had it do that, but now it just itches

>and scales with no visible blisters.  Seems to be gradually reducing in

>severity with the years; my guess is that the mast cell population in the

>affected skin is falling.



>Too right.  Powerful steroid creams are the only thing I've found that

>works, combined with Whitfield's ointment to stop the itching and dissolve

>the dead skin so the steroid can get down into the dermis.  Somebody here

>mentioned borage, I might give that a whirl next year when I can grow

>some.



I have found that echinacea, taken in small constant doses,

minimizes mast cell hyperactivity.  I use it to keep upper

respiratory allergies under control.  There is some German

research on it: enhances polymorphonuclear WBC phagocytosis, and

decreases histamine production by mast cells.  



It takes a couple of weeks to show an effect, which may mean its

suppressant effect is only on young mast cells (they live for a

month or so), but it's worth trying.  Take any old brand of

powdered herb, 6 capsules a day for a week, then 2 a day for a

couple of months.  If you see improvement, keep taking them at

the low dose to keep the mast cells calmed down.  Now, after

several years of low doses, I can stop for a couple of weeks

without an increase in allergy symptoms ... when I first started,

I could only skip a couple of days. 







Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:14:13 -0400

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> I have found that echinacea, taken in small constant doses,   <snip>

Take any old brand of

> powdered herb, 6 capsules a day for a week, then 2 a day for a

> couple of months.  > Tsu Dho Nimh



"any old brand?"  I've noticed huge differences in echinacea quality between

brands.



By the way, I check the quality by tasting the powder for that "tingle" --

is this a valid way of testing?    (I get very little of that tingle from

the herb, only from the root.)



Anybody want to correct me on that?



Carolyn











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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:37:50 +0300

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"Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com> wrote:



>By the way, I check the quality by tasting the powder for that "tingle" --

>is this a valid way of testing?    (I get very little of that tingle from

>the herb, only from the root.)



The tingle of Echinacea is not really a quality marker. You'll find lots of it

in the roots of E. pallida and E. angustifolia, less in the root of E. purpurea,

some in the seeds of E. purpurea, some in the rest of the flowerheads of E.

purpurea, not much in the greens ... however, ALL parts of these three species

at least work.



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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: bilherbs@aol.com (Bilherbs)

Date: 18 Jul 2001 22:34:15 GMT

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>By the way, I check the quality by tasting the powder for that "tingle" --

>is this a valid way of testing?    (I get very little of that tingle from

>the herb, only from the root.)

>

>Anybody want to correct me on that?

>

>Carolyn



Keep looking for that tingle! :-)



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:40:36 -0700

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"Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com> wrote:



>

>> I have found that echinacea, taken in small constant doses,   <snip>

>Take any old brand of

>> powdered herb, 6 capsules a day for a week, then 2 a day for a

>> couple of months.  > Tsu Dho Nimh

>

>"any old brand?"  I've noticed huge differences in echinacea quality between

>brands.



  And what sort of analytical chemistry do you use?  



>By the way, I check the quality by tasting the powder for that "tingle" --

>is this a valid way of testing?    (I get very little of that tingle from

>the herb, only from the root.)



  What causes the "tingle" and has it been correlated with

anti-mast cell effects?  



  For my purposes, it appears that something in all parts of the

Echinacea (of any of the various species) works well enough to be

usable.  The most readily available brands use the leaves, so I

don't bother looking for 5+ year old roots, gathered by Tibetan

monks in the dark of the moon and dried over yak dung, to grind

my own roots and fill my own capsules ... this is just an herbal

remedy. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 19 Jul 2001 01:06:03 GMT

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> I have found that echinacea, taken in small constant doses,

> minimizes mast cell hyperactivity.  I use it to keep upper

> respiratory allergies under control.  There is some German

> research on it: enhances polymorphonuclear WBC phagocytosis,

> and decreases histamine production by mast cells.  



I'm sure echinacea is great stuff for a lot of people.  Unfortunately

I have a violent allergic reaction to it and break out in itchy little

blisters all over within hours of taking it...





> Tsu Dho Nimh



I've been reading your posts for months and only got the joke yesterday.

Gaaah!  (Comes of having known enough Vietnamese people to know what

their names *can* look like but not having enough familiarity with the

language and culture to know what they *can't*).



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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:44:17 -0700

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bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address) wrote:



>> I have found that echinacea, taken in small constant doses,

>> minimizes mast cell hyperactivity.  I use it to keep upper

>> respiratory allergies under control.  There is some German

>> research on it: enhances polymorphonuclear WBC phagocytosis,

>> and decreases histamine production by mast cells.  

>

>I'm sure echinacea is great stuff for a lot of people.  Unfortunately

>I have a violent allergic reaction to it and break out in itchy little

>blisters all over within hours of taking it...



  So don't take it!  Unless you REALLY like your dermatologist

and like being swabbed with hydrocortisone ointment.  There are

probably other herbs with the same effect - I haven't bothered

looking for any, but if one plant family does it, there are

usually others.



>I've been reading your posts for months and only got the joke yesterday.

>Gaaah!  (Comes of having known enough Vietnamese people to know what

>their names *can* look like but not having enough familiarity with the

>language and culture to know what they *can't*).

   

  :)   Would you believe I have a sister Hsin Nho Nimh? 



Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:08:44 +0100

--------

>

> >I've been reading your posts for months and only got the joke yesterday.

> >Gaaah!  (Comes of having known enough Vietnamese people to know what

> >their names *can* look like but not having enough familiarity with the

> >language and culture to know what they *can't*).

>

>   :)   Would you believe I have a sister Hsin Nho Nimh?

>

> Tsu Dho Nimh





Hey Tsu



So I guess she'd have almost the opposite personality to my Irish mate, Ant

O'Nim.



arf arf



Nick













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:14:26 -0700

--------

"Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>   :)   Would you believe I have a sister Hsin Nho Nimh?

>>

>> Tsu Dho Nimh

>

>

>Hey Tsu

>

>So I guess she'd have almost the opposite personality to my Irish mate, Ant

>O'Nim.



Nick - 

  Is it you with the gay uncle ... Hom O'Nim ?  



and can we pull this thread any farther off topic and into bad

taste territory? 







Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:42:10 -0500

--------

Borage, Butcher's Broom, Chamomile, Comfrey, Fennel, Frankincense, Geranium,

Gotu Kola, Hybiscus, Malva, Marshamallow, Myrrh, Patchouli, Peppermint,

Rose, Yarrow.



Here are some that I have researched that show they have anti-inflammatory

properties.  However, I don't know the specifics on which ones are the

strongest.  I did put them in alphabetical order though. :) I would suggest

trying Chamomile, Comfrey or Yarrow first and then go from there.



"Nuclear" <westdori@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message

news:3b4fe099$1@news.iprimus.com.au...

> I wish to make an ethyl alcoholic extract of anti-inflammatory herbs so

that

> I can apply it topically to my skin. Can someone please tell me the names

of

> the herbs that posses anti-inflammatory properties? It would be good if

you

> could tell me the strongest ones first.

> Thanks.

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 07:54:56 +0300

--------

"P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net> wrote:

>"Nuclear" <westdori@iprimus.com.au> wrote:

>> I wish to make an ethyl alcoholic extract of anti-inflammatory herbs so that

>> I can apply it topically to my skin. Can someone please tell me the names of

>> the herbs that posses anti-inflammatory properties? It would be good if you

>> could tell me the strongest ones first.

>

>Borage, Butcher's Broom, Chamomile, Comfrey, Fennel, Frankincense, Geranium,

>Gotu Kola, Hybiscus, Malva, Marshamallow, Myrrh, Patchouli, Peppermint,

>Rose, Yarrow.

>

>Here are some that I have researched that show they have anti-inflammatory

>properties.  However, I don't know the specifics on which ones are the

>strongest.  I did put them in alphabetical order though. :) I would suggest

>trying Chamomile, Comfrey or Yarrow first and then go from there.



Let me just say: ARGH.





Henriette



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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:09:02 -0500

--------

Why do you say Argh?  If you know some that are stronger or better suited

for anti-inflammatory then let us in on it.    I was just listing the herbs

that my notes had showed to be anti-inflammatory.  However, I am still

learning and the more I research the more I find conflicting reports and

different herbs.  If you have some input into some of the herbs I mentioned

I would be grateful to hear it.

Thanks



"Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message

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> "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net> wrote:

> >"Nuclear" <westdori@iprimus.com.au> wrote:

> >> I wish to make an ethyl alcoholic extract of anti-inflammatory herbs so

that

> >> I can apply it topically to my skin. Can someone please tell me the

names of

> >> the herbs that posses anti-inflammatory properties? It would be good if

you

> >> could tell me the strongest ones first.

> >

> >Borage, Butcher's Broom, Chamomile, Comfrey, Fennel, Frankincense,

Geranium,

> >Gotu Kola, Hybiscus, Malva, Marshamallow, Myrrh, Patchouli, Peppermint,

> >Rose, Yarrow.

> >

> >Here are some that I have researched that show they have

anti-inflammatory

> >properties.  However, I don't know the specifics on which ones are the

> >strongest.  I did put them in alphabetical order though. :) I would

suggest

> >trying Chamomile, Comfrey or Yarrow first and then go from there.

>

> Let me just say: ARGH.

>

>

> Henriette

>

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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:44:29 +0300

--------

"P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net> wrote:

>"Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:

>> "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net> wrote:

>> >"Nuclear" <westdori@iprimus.com.au> wrote:

>> >> I wish to make an ethyl alcoholic extract of anti-inflammatory herbs so that

>> >> I can apply it topically to my skin. Can someone please tell me the names of

>> >> the herbs that posses anti-inflammatory properties? It would be good if you

>> >> could tell me the strongest ones first.

>> >

>> >Borage, Butcher's Broom, Chamomile, Comfrey, Fennel, Frankincense, Geranium,

>> >Gotu Kola, Hybiscus, Malva, Marshamallow, Myrrh, Patchouli, Peppermint,

>> >Rose, Yarrow.

>> >

>> >Here are some that I have researched that show they have anti-inflammatory

>> >properties.  However, I don't know the specifics on which ones are the

>> >strongest.  I did put them in alphabetical order though. :) I would suggest

>> >trying Chamomile, Comfrey or Yarrow first and then go from there.

>>

>> Let me just say: ARGH.

>

>Why do you say Argh?



First, asking for a list of anti-inflammatory herbs.



Second, giving a list of anti-inflammatory herbs.



Anybody who's worked with herbs, even a little, knows that lists are hindering

far more than they help. It's like asking for a list of spices that can be used

in soup.



Would you, after receiving such a list, try them out in alphabetical order? By

strength? By color? By what's available to you, in the grocery store? By what's

available in your garden?



Or would you be smart and _taste_ each, adding only those that fit your soup?





A smart person uses medicinal herbs that _fit_ their constitution, their

problem. They don't just choose willy-nilly from a list of herb names bundled by

_effect_. 



They don't _ask_ for a list of herbs that are red. They ask for a list of herbs

that fit gazpacho, or clear chicken broth, or plum soup. They ask what's good

for eczema, or skin fungus, or sunburn. They tell us they're thick, or thin, or

weak, or strong. They help us help them.





It's not your fault, somebody asked to get that list, but let me just repeat:

ARGH.





Anyway, you don't apply a tincture (ethyl alcohol extract) to your skin. Alcohol

is pretty harsh. Oils are far better, and then you need to know far more before

you can even start to begin to contemplate what herbs would be appropriate. (And

no, essential oils are not the same things as herbal oils.)





I tend to ignore anybody asking for a list of herb names, because they a) don't

give enough information, and b) simplify too much. Putting that right would take

lots of time; helping one will only help, well, _one_, and another will appear

the minute these posts are gone from the server.





Also, please reply at the bottom of a post, snipping as you go. That's usenet

etiquette, and helps readability enormously. Thanks.



Henriette 



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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:36:09 -0500

--------

So after posting the same way for the last 5 years I am glad to know that

cyberspace cops are out and about and ready to give me a ticket for illegal

posting.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 06:34:57 +0300

--------

"P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net> wrote:



>So after posting the same way for the last 5 years I am glad to know that

>cyberspace cops are out and about and ready to give me a ticket for illegal

>posting.



Yep. It's called netiquette. It doesn't matter how many years you've been

driving on the wrong side of the road, it's still wrong.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:43:28 -0400

--------



"Bryher" <Bryher_m@excite.co.uk> wrote in message

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> O No - not again...

>

>

> "Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in message



> > Yep. It's called netiquette. It doesn't matter how many years you've

been

> > driving on the wrong side of the road, it's still wrong.

> >



yes, again.

I realize this got discussed awhile ago but I don't remember the reason for

that rule.   I personally prefer not to have to scroll down through the

stuff I already know - or wrote - to get what is often just a single

sentence response.



So what IS the reason for posting at the bottom?



Carolyn















==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:22:11 +0300

--------

"Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com> wrote:



>I realize this got discussed awhile ago but I don't remember the reason for

>that rule.   I personally prefer not to have to scroll down through the

>stuff I already know - or wrote - to get what is often just a single

>sentence response.

>

>So what IS the reason for posting at the bottom?



Netiquette. This also requires you to delete olde text while you're scrolling

down. So the "scrolling down to see a single sentence response" is invalidated

-- provided you use netiquette. 



Links etc. in the medicinal herbfaq, here:

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/faqs/medi-8-4-netiquette.html



Cheers

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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:43:44 -0500

--------

 I realize this got discussed awhile ago but I don't remember the reason for

> that rule.   I personally prefer not to have to scroll down through the

> stuff I already know - or wrote - to get what is often just a single

> sentence response.

>

> So what IS the reason for posting at the bottom?

>

> Carolyn

>

> Here, here! The reason is because people in this world have to much time

on their hands and not enough to gripe about already.  Therefore, they find

things that annoy them, figure out how "they" think it should be done and

declare that everyone else should abide by their ruling.

>

Pamela

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle)

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:00:34 GMT

--------

On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:43:44 -0500, "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net> wrote:



> I realize this got discussed awhile ago but I don't remember the reason for

>> that rule.   I personally prefer not to have to scroll down through the

>> stuff I already know - or wrote - to get what is often just a single

>> sentence response.>

>> So what IS the reason for posting at the bottom?

>>

>> Carolyn



Because you're answering a question or stating some facts in response to what

has been asked. Otherwise, it's like giving the answer before someone has asked

the question.

>>

>> Here, here! The reason is because people in this world have to much time

>on their hands and not enough to gripe about already.  Therefore, they find

>things that annoy them, figure out how "they" think it should be done and

>declare that everyone else should abide by their ruling.

>>

>Pamela



Funny, Pamela, I find I don't have time to follow the illogical format of

getting the 'answer' before the question, and I don't have a lot of time on my

hands, so rather than gripe, I skip topposted stuff.



Proper writing style, whether on the 'Net, or in an interview, letter, etc.

would indicate that logic and common sense (and precedent) are inherent in

responding to the statement after it is made, not 'topposting'. 



A little history: there was *no* topposting on the Net until OE somehow, in the

Microsoft weirdness, defaulted to topposting. Then, all the newbies on the 'Net

just let the stuff post that way, instead of correcting the OE settings, or

somehow realizing they should stick to the proper format for responding.



As Henriette pointed out, the fact that some people post a reply without having

the sense to edit out the unnecessary parts of the post is wrong, too. Good

writing and editing skills will never go out of style.  I like logic and I'm a

writer, so,  well, logically, I have replied to this thread by the usual means,

so that folks will have a chance to see what I am replying to, without having

to read something at the top of the post. 



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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:23:48 -0400

--------





> >> So what IS the reason for posting at the bottom?

> >>

> >> Carolyn

>



logically, I have replied to this thread by the usual means,

> so that folks will have a chance to see what I am replying to, without

having

> to read something at the top of the post.

>

>          Anya  {{{*_*}}}



Yess!  an answer!    I was not objecting, just trying to figure out the

reasoning.  And there it is.  Just don't tell me "because I said so."



 however, I still personally prefer to see the answer first, since I already

read the question from the previous post.   I mean, I already KNOW what you

are replying to.  It's the NEW words I want to read, not the old ones again.

It's not like I just get some e-mail out of the blue to be figured out from

scratch.



All personal objection aside, I will forever hereafter post at the bottom on

this newsgroup.   I have no wish to offend.  (And snip out all extraneous

words, too!)



I'm just too impatient to read something twice, or thrice, I guess.



Carolyn











==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:15:32 -0500

--------



>

> Yess!  an answer!    I was not objecting, just trying to figure out the

> reasoning.  And there it is.  Just don't tell me "because I said so."

>

>  however, I still personally prefer to see the answer first, since I

already

> read the question from the previous post.   I mean, I already KNOW what

you

> are replying to.  It's the NEW words I want to read, not the old ones

again.

> It's not like I just get some e-mail out of the blue to be figured out

from

> scratch.

>

> All personal objection aside, I will forever hereafter post at the bottom

on

> this newsgroup.   I have no wish to offend.  (And snip out all extraneous

> words, too!)

>

> I'm just too impatient to read something twice, or thrice, I guess.

>

> Carolyn

>

>

> My sentiments exactly.  9 times out of 10 you are reading the first post

which asks the question, it makes more since to open up the next post and

see the answer instead of rereading the question.



I guess it just a matter of opinion and I don't think Anya or Henrietta are

wrong for having their opinions.  I just don't see where anyone has a right

to say this is how it should be done.  If someone doesn't post the way you

like then don't read their post.  I mean its not like someone is committing

a murder.  We're supposed to be having fun and discussing herbs.  Not

instructing or chastising each other on the proper procedure for for

posting.



I suppose next time I turn on the news I will hear about someone getting

shot because they posted a response at the top instead of scrolling down to

the bottom.  I think we should all just get along!  :)













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "Bitter and Twisted" <me@deepspace2000.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:20:57 +0100

--------



Wakefield <heretik@loa.com> wrote in message

news:9j0ag7$pb0$1@nntpsp2-ld.pvd.loa.net...

>    FWIW, I, too, set my newsreader so I see read posts as well as unread.

If



<snip lots of stuff about the merits of top/bottom posting>



There is another factor.  Some news servers are very quick to delete posts

based on time.  If you top post then sometimes the original post is deleted

and you just get the RE: as a new post. Then you have to go to the bottom,

read the original post and then scroll back up again.  The same thing would

apply if you're getting stuff from Google or something.  You might do a

search and the results are returned in date order.  You either have to find

the oldest one and work back, or scroll up and down/down and up.  If the

post(s) go from top to bottom then you can pick the latest one, get a

synopsis of the thread from that, probably get the original question and

answer and then choose whether to look further.



I'm not a great fan of "netiquette" per se where it just gives others the

chance to wave their superior knowledge in the faces of others or have a go

at someone they have never met when they would never have the balls to do it

face to face.  With top/bottom posting it *does* make sense though.



Me













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "Sharon" <bereskos@home.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:51:55 GMT

--------





Yess!  an answer!    I was not objecting, just trying to figure out the

reasoning.  And there it is.  Just don't tell me "because I said so."



 however, I still personally prefer to see the answer first, since I already

read the question from the previous post.   I mean, I already KNOW what you

are replying to.  It's the NEW words I want to read, not the old ones again.

It's not like I just get some e-mail out of the blue to be figured out from

scratch.



All personal objection aside, I will forever hereafter post at the bottom on

this newsgroup.   I have no wish to offend.  (And snip out all extraneous

words, too!)



I'm just too impatient to read something twice, or thrice, I guess.



Carolyn



I prefer top posting also- scrolling down is an extra step- I have chronic

wrist/arm /neck problem- excess scrolling irritates it .

I skip the post if it ends up to long unless I am extremely interested in

the particular topic or if I do forget the topic for the thread I will

glance through but ususally I find it much faster and convenient to read the

top few lines.



Every other news group I am interested in top posts so I guess it depends on

what you have become used to



Sharon

















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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Yez <yezelel@newsguy.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:29:58 -0700

--------

You are so full of baloney!! I hate reading through long quoted messages.

I prefer people top reply, and cut the quotting to a minimum. I was using

the net before Windoze was born, don't use OE and prefer top replies

'cause it saves me time. (different strokes)



I would use aloe vera and lavendar for external inflamations, comfrey, plantain,

chamomile. Not sure for internal ones, it would depend on what caused them.



'rena



Rastapoodle said:



> A little history: there was *no* topposting on the Net until OE somehow, in the

> Microsoft weirdness, defaulted to topposting. Then, all the newbies on the 'Net

> just let the stuff post that way, instead of correcting the OE settings, or

> somehow realizing they should stick to the proper format for responding.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Q Tip <321nospam@nelson.tds.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 01:44:44 -0400

--------

On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:29:58 -0700, Yez <yezelel@newsguy.com> wrote:



> and cut the quotting to a minimum.



Unfortunately _most_ top posters don't!

-- 

Q Tip





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle)

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:21:16 GMT

--------

On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 01:44:44 -0400, Q Tip <321nospam@nelson.tds.net> wrote:



>On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:29:58 -0700, Yez <yezelel@newsguy.com> wrote:

>

>> and cut the quotting to a minimum.

>

>Unfortunately _most_ top posters don't!

>-- 

>Q Tip



LOL, good one, Q Tip! If you notice, the two who have their shorts in a knot in

the most recent replies (boy, they could use some meds) left the long, long

posts underneath their argumentative, rather abrasive posts. Plonk to both of

them, I don't like gruff people, and I don't like clueless folks who waste

bandwidth, so I make my life easier by ignoring them. 



PS along the lines of the topposter who originally escalated this thread into

the realm of insulting, and who posted a list of every 'antiinflammatory' herb

she could copy from a book, perhaps its time for a repost of my 1997 classic

"Beware of half-baked herbalists."  It's funny, it's succinct, and it skewers

those who plagerize and post nonsensical 'lists', with no foundation in fact.



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 18 Jul 2001 11:43:38 GMT

--------

On the general topic of anti-inflammatory herbs, I found a link in

About Herbs for Health newsletter:



------------------------------ SPOTLIGHT -------------------------------



Pain Management

Millions suffer from one form of pain or another, find out what herbs

and essential oils may help yours.

http://herbsforhealth.about.com/library/weekly/aa070801.htm



----



This may not necessarily be relevant to the person who started this thread.



from Anya regarding top-posting:



>A little history: there was *no* topposting on the Net until OE somehow, in the

>Microsoft weirdness, defaulted to topposting. Then, all the newbies on the 'Net

>just let the stuff post that way, instead of correcting the OE settings, or

>somehow realizing they should stick to the proper format for responding.



On default behaviors in MS Outlook Express, worse than this top-posting is

opening all attachments and running those that are executable: not only the

obvious .exe files, but others including embedded macro viruses in MS-Word .doc

files, etc.  This default behavior is responsible for the virus epidemic of

recent years.



Quoting entire long messages defeats its purpose.  When there is a short

response to a long message, I read the response, but fishing through a quoted

message of many hundreds of lines for the part relevant to the response is far

too much trouble.  I just zoom through with the Page-Down key, and imagine

others do likewise.  It is annoying to have to download the same long message

multiple times.







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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:15:48 GMT

--------







> >

> > So what IS the reason for posting at the bottom?> Carolyn>

> > Here, here! The reason is because people in this world have to much time

> on their hands and not enough to gripe about already.  Pamela



And when someone puts out effort to respond to you and sends me your email by

mistake, and time has elapsed and I can't find your email address or your name

or your newsgroup subject, then what?

Marcia

---



>

> >

> >







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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "Nuclear" <westdori@iprimus.com.au>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:36:49 +1000

--------

> First, asking for a list of anti-inflammatory herbs.

>

> Second, giving a list of anti-inflammatory herbs.

>

> Anybody who's worked with herbs, even a little, knows that lists are

hindering

> far more than they help. It's like asking for a list of spices that can be

used

> in soup.

>

> Would you, after receiving such a list, try them out in alphabetical

order? By

> strength? By color? By what's available to you, in the grocery store? By

what's

> available in your garden?

>

> Or would you be smart and _taste_ each, adding only those that fit your

soup?

>

>

> A smart person uses medicinal herbs that _fit_ their constitution, their

> problem. They don't just choose willy-nilly from a list of herb names

bundled by

> _effect_.

>

> They don't _ask_ for a list of herbs that are red. They ask for a list of

herbs

> that fit gazpacho, or clear chicken broth, or plum soup. They ask what's

good

> for eczema, or skin fungus, or sunburn. They tell us they're thick, or

thin, or

> weak, or strong. They help us help them.

>

>

> It's not your fault, somebody asked to get that list, but let me just

repeat:

> ARGH.

>

>

> Anyway, you don't apply a tincture (ethyl alcohol extract) to your skin.

Alcohol

> is pretty harsh. Oils are far better, and then you need to know far more

before

> you can even start to begin to contemplate what herbs would be

appropriate. (And

> no, essential oils are not the same things as herbal oils.)

>

>

> I tend to ignore anybody asking for a list of herb names, because they a)

don't

> give enough information, and b) simplify too much. Putting that right

would take

> lots of time; helping one will only help, well, _one_, and another will

appear

> the minute these posts are gone from the server.

>

>

> Also, please reply at the bottom of a post, snipping as you go. That's

usenet

> etiquette, and helps readability enormously. Thanks.

>

> Henriette

>

> --

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Thanks for your response Henriette,



The reason I want anti-inflammatory herb extracts is so that I can put them

on my scalp which is showing signs of male pattern baldness. Associated with

this is the inflammation, which sometimes drives me crazy, associated with

the immune system's attack on the follicles. If you could direct me to the

most appropriate herbs and the method of their extraction and utilisation, I

would be extremely grateful.



Thanks,

Nuclear (as in fallout).











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:57:03 +0300

--------

"Nuclear" <westdori@iprimus.com.au> wrote:



>The reason I want anti-inflammatory herb extracts is so that I can put them

>on my scalp which is showing signs of male pattern baldness. Associated with

>this is the inflammation, which sometimes drives me crazy, associated with

>the immune system's attack on the follicles. If you could direct me to the

>most appropriate herbs and the method of their extraction and utilisation, I

>would be extremely grateful.



So tell us, why do you have an inflammation associated with male pattern

baldness? And are you in fact a guy or a gal? Why does your immune system attack

the follicles? What is your real problem?



Soothing salves, sure, there's oodles and doodles, but all that is only for

symptoms. Wouldn't you want to do something about the cause of whatever it is

that ails you?



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "Nuclear" <westdori@iprimus.com.au>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:45:46 +1000

--------

> So tell us, why do you have an inflammation associated with male pattern

> baldness? And are you in fact a guy or a gal? Why does your immune system

attack

> the follicles? What is your real problem?

>

> Soothing salves, sure, there's oodles and doodles, but all that is only

for

> symptoms. Wouldn't you want to do something about the cause of whatever it

is

> that ails you?

>

> Henriette

>

Sorry, I assumed you knew. Male (I am a male) pattern baldness is

characterised by an immune attack on the hair follicle, hence the

inflammation. Current theory suggests dihydrotestosterone initiates this

attack. I don't agree totally, but one thing is certain anti-inflammatory

agents help and so I am looking for natural herbs with anti-inflammatory

properties. When you ask "What is your real problem?", I'm afraid I and

great researchers and scientists don't really know. All we can agree on is

the low grade chronic inflammation that causes the hair follicle to produce

smaller and smaller hairs.



Thanks.











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:25:59 +0300

--------

"Nuclear" <westdori@iprimus.com.au> wrote:



>Sorry, I assumed you knew. Male (I am a male) pattern baldness is

>characterised by an immune attack on the hair follicle, hence the

>inflammation. 



No, that's not normal. There's no inflammation with normal male pattern

baldness. 



You have seen a dermatologist?



To curb inflammations anywhere in the body:

- nettles, internally (as tea)

- mint family anti-inflammatories (eg. hyssop, thyme, sage... as tea)

- Echinacea, tincture or tea, or chew on the roots - use regularly, and don't

  use aboveground parts if you're allergic to them 

- help your _liver_. If you're a "cool" liver person, use Berberis, Mahonia 

  and/or Rumex roots, if you're a "hot" liver person, use dandelion, burdock

  and/or couch grass roots (there are others, but those are the ones I use.)



To soothe inflamed skin:

- make a salve of chickweed, or Impatiens spp.

- add Calendula or Plantago

- make a poultice of any of the mallows (avoid those with itchy hairs, though), 

  or of chickweed, or Impatiens spp.



And go see another dermatologist to see what's _really_ wrong with you.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 04:41:41 -0700

--------

"Nuclear" <westdori@iprimus.com.au> wrote:



>The reason I want anti-inflammatory herb extracts is so that I can put them

>on my scalp which is showing signs of male pattern baldness. Associated with

>this is the inflammation, which sometimes drives me crazy, associated with

>the immune system's attack on the follicles. 



  Get to a dermatologist.  In normal male pattern baldness, there

is no inflammation ... the follicles are not attacked by the

immune system, they just stop making hair.   You have something

else going on.







Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: "Nuclear" <westdori@iprimus.com.au>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:16:16 +1000

--------



"Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com> wrote in message

news:9j1h0n$blq$1@nntpsp2-ld.pvd.loa.net...

>    Yes- it reminds me of the old math teacher I had. Now HE had NO hair

> anywhere on his head (buddy, I was in Jr High and neither asked nor

checked

> about OTHER areas..)- but his skin was red everywhere on his head, and DID

> look inflamed. It is not your normal appearance of a baldy with the shiny

> white dome. I knew there was something the original post reminded me of.

> I'll hunt around the med books and see if I can find anything. It took

> eyebrows too, and I think eyelashes.

> --

>

> -- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

> refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

> "Tsu Dho Nimh" <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:f098lt0pkapk5p3kt24oupcripete9of9e@4ax.com...

> > "Nuclear" <westdori@iprimus.com.au> wrote:

> >

> > >The reason I want anti-inflammatory herb extracts is so that I can put

> them

> > >on my scalp which is showing signs of male pattern baldness. Associated

> with

> > >this is the inflammation, which sometimes drives me crazy, associated

> with

> > >the immune system's attack on the follicles.

> >

> >   Get to a dermatologist.  In normal male pattern baldness, there

> > is no inflammation ... the follicles are not attacked by the

> > immune system, they just stop making hair.   You have something

> > else going on.

> >

> >

> >

> > Tsu Dho Nimh

> >

> > The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

> > gets to do it.

>

I do believe, after talking to many doctors and individuals that male

pattern baldness has an inflammatory component, as well as a circulatory,

fungal/bacterial, hormonal and other unknown components. Microscopically it

looks like tissue rejection and the follicle is impaired (in the area of the

galea membrane) and produces progressively smaller hairs.



So if someone could give the names of good anti-inflammatory herbs, I would

be most grateful.



Thanks.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 17 Jul 2001 14:19:37 GMT

--------



[ENTIRE article quoted, including this...]

>> Herb FAQs, pictures, classic texts, articles, archives, plant names  ...

> The reason I want anti-inflammatory herb extracts is so that I can put

> them on my scalp which is showing signs of male pattern baldness.

> Associated with this is the inflammation, which sometimes drives me

> crazy, associated with the immune system's attack on the follicles.



Male pattern baldness isn't auto-immune.  Alopecia areata is, and is

often associated with the intense itching you describe.  Which have

you really got?  (I fail to see the point in treating male pattern

baldness, it's a process as natural as having your toenails grow).



And what comment were you making on that last line of Henriette's post?

If you weren't responding to it you shouldn't have quoted it.  Learn to

edit.



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory herbs.

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:39:56 GMT

--------





Nuclear wrote:



> > First, asking for a list of anti-inflammatory herbs.

> >

> > Second, giving a list of anti-inflammatory herbs.



Lists are in several books in libraries and in browse books in healthfood and

yuppy stores.  Lists are for looking in terms of " what do I have already in the

house that would go with food to help me with_______?"  amd " what is there that

jibes with prior knowledge that I can check on further and come up with better

questions.



Perhaps stating the problem and your intuitions/feelings about what you have

done and what you think is next would get better responses.

Marcia

---









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dr. Richard Schulze question

From: Foxfire <foxfire@piglet.ASARian.org>

Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 07:35:51 -0400 (EDT)

--------

I have seen some of Dr. Schulze (herbalist, not M.D.) "Incurables/Save

Your Life" tapes. Because of that viewing I had the opportunity, if that

is the word, to experiment with a variation of Schulze's astonishing home

heart attack treatment. 



Schulze claims to have known at least a hundred clients survive heart

attacks by taking extract or tincture of cayenne when an heart attack

begins. Reflex stimulation of the heart's portion of the vagus nerve, via

the mouth, esophagus, and stomach vagus enervation, apparently dilates the

coronary (and other) arteries somewhat like nitroglycerine. 



Earlier this year when I had a very sudden, very severe stabbing attack of

pain at my diaphragm level, not clearly either chest or abdomen. There was

no illness or discomfort leading up to the attack. I had no history of

anything like it. But, emotionally it had been an unusually difficult day. 



The pain showed no sign of abating. I wasn't sure what was happening, but

in Tradition Chinese Medicine theory, pain is caused by a blockage. 



Since persisting loss of blood flow to any organ (ischemia) can cause

severe tissue damage, I went for a Fig's cayenne extract bottle I had

stored for a heart emergency (no alcohol had been added to that bottle). I

used used four or five droppersfull. That's maybe half the amount Shulze

recommends for heart attack (a dose which I hadn't seen at the time - see

the URL below).  After ingestion, the severe pain began to subside and was

gone in about five minutes.



When in severe pain I found that the normally hard-to-swallow red pepper

sauce went down much easier. I experienced strong hiccupping which ceased

sometime after the pain was gone. I did not notice any bad effects later.



With hindsight, this was probably an unusually severe ischemic "cramp" of

a section of my upper transverse colon, and not a heart attack.  Ischemic

colitis is a physical condition known to be emotionally mediated. I remain

impressed by the effect of cayenne in my likely ischemic emergency or

urgency. I'm not alone in this impression. Herbal books contain many

accounts of remarkable cayenne cures. 



Schulze claims that every herbalist (and heart patient?) should carry

extract of cayenne around with them. I found "Fig's One Drop" cayenne

sauce, to be handy for this purpose. (Figueroa Bros., Metaire, LA,

800-886-6354 for local distribution inquiries.) It comes in a brown glass

dropper bottle and will store for a long time in desk, toolbox, or even in

a car, if 5-10% grain alcohol (e.g., Everclear) is added to the bottle

when new. (I assume Figueroa Bros. would not want to hear that their food

product was being used like this.  :)



See the site where Schulze is interviewed by publisher Sam Biser. 

http://www.prostate90.com/healers_products/cayenne.html



IMHO, Dr. Schulze is a radical herbalist, and occasionally is wrong (e.g.,

he denied the existence of allergy to herbs), but he's not ignorant or a

charlatan. His tales of herbal treatments are like no other living

person's accounts that I've read.  I have clearly benefited from Shulze's

teachings, based on those of his late mentor, Dr. Christopher. 



However, I should warn persons with Ayurvedic-defined body types of "vata" 

(tall, short, skinny) or "pitta" (florid, overheated, overstimulated) to

not use Dr. Schulze's extreme treatments such cayenne hot tubbing, as

shown in the "Incurables". Dr. Schulze himself has a "kapha" (large,

muscular, fat) body type, and he just seems to be blind to the

exacerbating effect that his extreme treatments could have on the

progression of disease in non-kaphas.  Even kaphas are likely to blanch

if they see this tape. Some might consider it a treatment that's worse

than terminal cancer. Really. 

 



Sean 

----------------------------------------------------------------------- 

 When G.M. Chishti described a Western-type fatal heart attack to Hakim

(healer) Sherif of Kabul, Afghanistan, the Hakim scoffed saying "People

don't die like that." --The Traditional Healer's Handbook; Chishti,1991

----------------------------------------------------------------------- 





Eddies262 <eddies262@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20010629233349.16881.00003329@ng-fo1.aol.com...

> Has anyone had any experience with his work? I read a few things about

> him and

> find it fascinating and at the same time hard to believe. I did start

> eating

> cayenne pepper and find I like. I thought they would cause me terrible

> stomach

> distress but it did'nt happen. I need several paper towels during a meal

> due

> to the sweating they cause me and wonder if this is normal.

> Any true believers have anything to share? Or any knowledgable skeptics?

> Thanx











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Free herbs and more

From: "fool" <fools@lifeawakening.com>

Date: 14 Jul 2001 23:10:56 GMT

--------







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: health food stores

From: schatz1@ptdprolog.net

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:15:53 GMT

--------

Does anyone know of any new jersey stores that sell standarized herbs?







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Remove freckles

From: "Acacia" <kaul@attglobal.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:15:15 -0400

--------

I have over the past 2 years started to develop a few freckles. Is there

anything that will get rid of them?

I also have developed dark circles around the eyes. I never used to have

these problems before :(

If you have any soultions for these problems, I would really be grateful.











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Remove freckles

From: "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:22:32 -0500

--------

"Acacia" <kaul@attglobal.net> wrote in message

news:3b51ee27_2@news1.prserv.net...

> I have over the past 2 years started to develop a few freckles. Is there

> anything that will get rid of them?

> I also have developed dark circles around the eyes. I never used to have

> these problems before :(

> If you have any soultions for these problems, I would really be grateful.

>

>

Lemon for the freckles, but don't take my word for it.  The last two times I

tried to suggest something for someone else's posts I got my colon cleansed

for it, so maybe you should wait for one of our local "experts" to reply.

Best of luck!









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Remove freckles

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:58:30 +0100

--------

ahh, you cant get rid of them. they're kisses from the angels...  :0)

(it was no comfort for me either when I was 10 and covered in them, and

still have plenty now)





Sue

x







Acacia wrote in message <3b51ee27_2@news1.prserv.net>...

>I have over the past 2 years started to develop a few freckles. Is there

>anything that will get rid of them?

>I also have developed dark circles around the eyes. I never used to have

>these problems before :(

>If you have any soultions for these problems, I would really be grateful.

>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Remove freckles

From: mypcos@hotmail.com (Wuzzy)

Date: 24 Jul 2001 12:23:01 -0700

--------

green tea was shown in the lab to inhibit melanogenesis in skin, not

sure if this would affect freckles but at least in theory it should

lighten skin...ech thats just specualtion from an article i read -

anyone heard this from an actual person?

> ahh, you cant get rid of them. they're kisses from the angels...  :0)

> (it was no comfort for me either when I was 10 and covered in them, and

> still have plenty now)

> 

> 

> Sue

> x

> 

> 

> 

> Acacia wrote in message <3b51ee27_2@news1.prserv.net>...

> >I have over the past 2 years started to develop a few freckles. Is there

> >anything that will get rid of them?

> >I also have developed dark circles around the eyes. I never used to have

> >these problems before :(

> >If you have any soultions for these problems, I would really be grateful.

> >

> >

> >





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Remove freckles

From: fang27@excite.com (fang)

Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:29:10 GMT

--------

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:58:30 +0100, "Sue Green"

<sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:



>ahh, you cant get rid of them. they're kisses from the angels...  :0)

>(it was no comfort for me either when I was 10 and covered in them, and

>still have plenty now)

>

>

>Sue



A woman without freckles is like a night without stars..........

:-)



-Mike



P.S.  Guys with freckles; sorry, got nothing for ya.





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Subject: Re: Remove freckles

From: luckyhoodoo@aol.com (LuckyHoodoo)

Date: 31 Jul 2001 14:57:43 GMT

--------

>A woman without freckles is like a night without stars..........

>:-)

>

>-Mike

>

>P.S.  Guys with freckles; sorry, got nothing for ya.

>

>



*LOL*



LuckyH.



P.S.  I prefer the term "Angel Kisses" to freckles.  Please adjust your vocab.









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Subject: Herbs to reduce swelling after surgery

From: "FireWoman" <klhill@optusnet.com.au>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:46:14 +1000

--------

Hi all.  I've recently had a knee reconstruction and before I can get stuck

into physio we need to get the swelling down.  My knee currently looks a bit

like a soccer ball and my ankle and foot have been swelling too.  I am not

using my leg at all - in a brace and on crutches for 6 weeks (ugh!).  Any

ideas as to teas I can drink or something to apply topically to help get it

all down.  I'm really keen to get it working again and be back on my feet as

soon as possible.



Thanks all.

FireWoman.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to reduce swelling after surgery

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:39:47 -0700

--------

"FireWoman" <klhill@optusnet.com.au> wrote:



>Hi all.  I've recently had a knee reconstruction and before I can get stuck

>into physio we need to get the swelling down.  My knee currently looks a bit

>like a soccer ball and my ankle and foot have been swelling too.  I am not

>using my leg at all - in a brace and on crutches for 6 weeks (ugh!).  Any

>ideas as to teas I can drink or something to apply topically to help get it

>all down.  I'm really keen to get it working again and be back on my feet as

>soon as possible.



Keep it elevated- as in with the whole leg above your torso - and

let your body do its own thing.  







Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to reduce swelling after surgery

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:33:14 +0300

--------

"FireWoman" <klhill@optusnet.com.au> wrote:



>Hi all.  I've recently had a knee reconstruction and before I can get stuck

>into physio we need to get the swelling down.  My knee currently looks a bit

>like a soccer ball and my ankle and foot have been swelling too.  I am not

>using my leg at all - in a brace and on crutches for 6 weeks (ugh!).  Any

>ideas as to teas I can drink or something to apply topically to help get it

>all down.  I'm really keen to get it working again and be back on my feet as

>soon as possible.



St. John's wort oil works really well on this kind of swelling. Not the

essential oil but the herbal oil. Up here in the far north it's in flower right

now. I guess down there you either have to buy dried herb (which doesn't keep,

as dried herb, for very long) or an oil you made during summer. Or perhaps you

can even buy the oil - but if it isn't red it's not worth very much.



Another herb to try is arnica, but there I'd really go for the homeopathic

arnica salves, not the herbal ones.



And do some rescue remedy, too.



Cheers

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to reduce swelling after surgery

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:56:45 -0700

--------



"FireWoman" <klhill@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message

news:3b523920$0$20951$7f31c96c@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...

> Hi all.  I've recently had a knee reconstruction and before I can get

stuck

> into physio we need to get the swelling down.



Hiya FireWoman -



A few things I've used that have worked on inflammation have been:



Tumeric and Ginger capsules - you can also sprinkle this on food , or drink

ginger tea

Vitamin C

Glucosamine and Chondroitin.

QBC-Plex

Solaray Devil's Claw Plus Formula

Pure Encapsulations AI Formula

Wobenzyme N



FWIW, the Chinese think that "heat-producing" foods like red meat, chicken,

papayas, and coffee increase inflammation, while "cold" foods like silken

tofu, rice, fish, and water reduce it.



Ice the knee 10 minutes on, 10 minutes off, with a gel ice pack wrapped in a

towel.  And, like Tsu said, keep it elevated.



Hope you feel better soon,



Katherine











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to reduce swelling after surgery

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:52:52 GMT

--------





>  knee reconstruction and before I can get stuck > into physio we need to get

> the swelling down.

> Catherine's suggestions:

> A few things I've used that have worked on inflammation have been:

> Tumeric and Ginger capsules - you can also sprinkle this on food , or drink

> ginger tea...Ice the knee 10 minutes on, 10 minutes off, with a gel ice pack

> wrapped in atowel.  And, like Tsu said, keep it elevated.



Marcia:  All the above, excellent!   Additionally, if you can get this cotton 8

inch stockinette ( undershirt material knitted in a tube) which comes in 25 ft

rolls, ( some people call it cast cover) you can cut about 4 ft of this, enclose

frozen gel pack and tie that gel pack on and maybe start some very gentle

movement ( swing lower leg 2 inches forward and 2 inches back) and facilitate

readiness for PT.



Good luck and good health to you and yours,

Marcia

---





>







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to reduce swelling after surgery

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 16 Jul 2001 20:10:46 GMT

--------

FireWoman <klhill@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Hi all.  I've recently had a knee reconstruction and before I can get stuck

> into physio we need to get the swelling down.  My knee currently looks a bit

> like a soccer ball and my ankle and foot have been swelling too.  I am not

> using my leg at all - in a brace and on crutches for 6 weeks (ugh!).  Any

> ideas as to teas I can drink or something to apply topically to help get it

> all down.  I'm really keen to get it working again and be back on my feet as

> soon as possible.



I think the best thing for that kind of swelling is peas.  

Bags of frozen peas.  

Applied as icepacks for 10 to 15 minutes each hour.



I got the idea of frozen peas as icepacks from the net many years ago.

Bags of frozen peas mold well to the shape of any body part where you

need ice.  They don't melt all over you and sag off the area you're

trying to ice, and they hold the cold plenty long.  They're cheap, and

by rotating 2 or 3 bags, they'll be good for several days worth of use

and refreezing before they start breaking down into frozen block-o-mush.



(Just don't eat them after using for icepacks, but I hate peas anyway,

so would never mistake them for food.)



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to reduce swelling after surgery

From: "FireWoman" <klhill@optusnet.com.au>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:01:37 +1000

--------

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.  My recovery is coming along well.

Whilst I'm unable to try everything everyone has suggested, I have taken

many of your tips and I'm sure it has helped.  I'm restricted as to movement

(no swinging allowed - big fat brace from top of my thigh to ankle), some

gentle exercises have been prescribed and also static exercises like flexing

the muscles.  More than anything else I think I am developing the physique

of a Korean/Chinese Olympic swimmer from just using the crutches!!!

Thanks again

Kim.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chasteberry - When to harvest?

From: "geodigest" <geodigest@telocity.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:53:48 -0700

--------

I have three chasteberry plants (Vitex agnus-catus).  They are two years

old, and have lots of berries formed. How do I know when to harvest?  There

were a few berried last year, and I waited too long, and they turned black

and moldy. When are they ripe enough... are there any tests or signs?



Thanks, JB











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to reduce swelling

From: George.Lagergren@juge.com (George Lagergren)

Date: 16 Jul 2001 05:20:10 GMT

--------

"FireWoman" <klhill@optusnet.com.au>  wrote:      206  07-15-01  22:50 

Kl> Hi all.  I've recently had a knee reconstruction and before I can get

Kl> stuck into physio we need to get the swelling down.  My knee currently

Kl> looks a bit like a soccer ball and my ankle and foot have been swelling

Kl> too.  I am not using my leg at all - in a brace and on crutches for 6

Kl> weeks (ugh!).  Any ideas as to teas I can drink or something to apply

Kl> topically to help get it all down.  I'm really keen to get it working

Kl> again and be back on my feet as soon as possible.



    Would the herb aloe vera and grape seed extract be helpful?????



... End  of  message                                   15 Jul 01  22:54

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Is the herb in echine. worth anything?

From: "Liam" <wefwe@frgn.cuf>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:00:39 -0400

--------

Hello there ,

I see many products containing the herb only of echinecea, extracts, etc.

Are these worth buying or should I focus only on products with roots?

Thanks kindly      Liam









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Is the herb in echine. worth anything?

From: mouser <gmouser@mcttelecom.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:00:44 -0400

--------

Liam wrote:



> Hello there ,

> I see many products containing the herb only of echinecea, extracts, etc.

> Are these worth buying or should I focus only on products with roots?

> Thanks kindly      Liam



Why not just grow some and be done with it?



mouser







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: What Kinda Herbs Could Be In This?

From: sarahden2456@aol.com (Sarah DeNoise)

Date: 16 Jul 2001 15:54:24 GMT

--------

I saw this last week on a wire site...





SWEDISH SOFT DRINK CLAIMS TO ENLARGE BREASTS

Friday, July 6, 2001 06:23 PDT

LIVINGSTON, N.J. (Wireless Flash) -- A new Swedish soft drink

that claims it can increase the size of a woman's breast will

soon hit American stores.

     The gold-colored soft drink is being imported by a New

Jersey firm and is called "Wunder Titte" -- German for

"Wonderful Breasts."

     A spokesman for importer Nordic Drinks says women who

drink the titillating tonic for at least four months can

expect to increase their busts by at least one full cup size.

     The boob beverage contains special herbs that supposedly

stimulate female hormones and will sell for about $3 per 8-

ounce can -- mostly in health food stores, bars and night

clubs.



(c) 2001 Wireless Flash News Inc. http://www.flashnews.com

The World's Pop Culture Wire





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What Kinda Herbs Could Be In This?

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:50:19 -0700

--------



"John H. Immink" <ecologicals1@home.com> wrote in message

news:aqI47.158199$q51.1323432@news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com...



> Forgive me my male based ignorance but why the inane need to boost what

> Nature has provided?



FWIW, I get about 5 pieces of spam a month for products that are supposed to

"boost what Nature provided" - all of them for penile enlargement!  I think

in 3 years I've gotten one breast enlargement ad.



My guess is that a lot of people, of both genders, feel insecure and think

that making themselves look more masculine, or more feminine, will help

that.  I don't think the need to feel good about yourself is inane, btw, but

the method in these two cases could use a little work.



Katherine













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What Kinda Herbs Could Be In This?

From: "N. Katherine Wolfe" <nkwolfe@wolfinthemoon.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:26:30 -0700

--------



"John H. Immink" <ecologicals1@home.com> wrote in message

news:EGK47.158224$q51.1324909@news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com...



> (5 pieces of penile spam per month? Wow! :>)



Yep, just got one today.  It's advertising a "FOR MEN ONLY" program - guys,

I hate to tell you this, but nobody else has got one! :-)



Katherine











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What Kinda Herbs Could Be In This?

From: "K Shelton" <karen@altnature.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:17:50 -0500

--------

I get five a week and don't even have a penis!! Five a day for weight loss

products I don't need either....



--

Karen Shelton

Manchester, TN

Alternative Nature Online Herbal and Wild Plant Photo Gallery

http://altnature.com

New photo site : www.alternative-herbal-medicine.net





"> John

> (5 pieces of penile spam per month? Wow! :>)

>











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What Kinda Herbs Could Be In This?

From: "John H. Immink" <ecologicals1@home.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:32:53 GMT

--------



"K Shelton" <karen@altnature.com> wrote in message

news:tlgf10sblkljbc@corp.supernews.com...

> I get five a week and don't even have a penis!! > --

: www.alternative-herbal-medicine.net

>



Oh, I *cannot* resist a bit of levity here....Friday crackbacks that may

apply:



<Disclaimer: Waste of bandwidth with comments in questionable taste mode on>



1: I do but I only seem to get a few....

2: I do but perhaps even the spammers have given up hope...

3: I do and believe me, you ain't missing much....

4: You don't?

5: Does one detect an undertone of resentment here? (Yo, Sigmund!)

6:  2 standard sizes bricks and a bungy cord would be cheaper?



<Disclaimer: Waste of bandwidth with comments in questionable taste mode

off>



:)))))

John











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What Kinda Herbs Could Be In This?

From: <macgilleoin@bluefrognet.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:22:35 -0700

--------



> 5: Does one detect an undertone of resentment here? (Yo, Sigmund!)

> 6:  2 standard sizes bricks and a bungy cord would be cheaper?

>

> :)))))

> John



5: I think everyone would like to know how it feels to have the oopposite of

what we have <curiosity,

not talking of those who want to BECOME one of the opposite sex;)>



6: OOOOOOoooooooooooowwwwwWWWWWWW!!!!!!!! I don't even have one and I'm

wincing ......





MacGillEoin













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What Kinda Herbs Could Be In This?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 04:44:00 -0700

--------

sarahden2456@aol.com (Sarah DeNoise) wrote:



>I saw this last week on a wire site...

>SWEDISH SOFT DRINK CLAIMS TO ENLARGE BREASTS

>Friday, July 6, 2001 06:23 PDT

>LIVINGSTON, N.J. (Wireless Flash) -- A new Swedish soft drink

>that claims it can increase the size of a woman's breast will

>soon hit American stores.



>     The boob beverage contains special herbs that supposedly

>stimulate female hormones 



Probably the same ones as used for PMS and men opause.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What Kinda Herbs Could Be In This?

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 18 Jul 2001 11:43:36 GMT

--------

Quoted by Sarah DeNoise:



> SWEDISH SOFT DRINK CLAIMS TO ENLARGE BREASTS

> Friday, July 6, 2001 06:23 PDT

> LIVINGSTON, N.J. (Wireless Flash) -- A new Swedish soft drink

> that claims it can increase the size of a woman's breast will

> soon hit American stores.

>      The gold-colored soft drink is being imported by a New

> Jersey firm and is called "Wunder Titte" -- German for

> "Wonderful Breasts."

>      A spokesman for importer Nordic Drinks says women who

> drink the titillating tonic for at least four months can

> expect to increase their busts by at least one full cup size.

>      The boob beverage contains special herbs that supposedly

> stimulate female hormones and will sell for about $3 per 8-

> ounce can -- mostly in health food stores, bars and night

> clubs.

>

> (c) 2001 Wireless Flash News Inc. http://www.flashnews.com

> The World's Pop Culture Wire



I suppose one is supposed to drink one 8-ounce can Wunder Titte daily, or maybe

two?  Figure how much this will cost for four months at $3 per can?  Save your

money!



I received one breast-enlargement and one penis-enlargement spam recently, have

received several weight-reduction spams, and several chinese or Korean spams

that I wouldn't be able to read even if I could render the messages as intended.

But the biggest spam topic is those chain-letter pyramid schemes inviting me to

send $5 cash to each of five postal addresses to order a report on sending bulk

email legally (?) and making money via the Internet, etc, then I just watch the

money roll in (if I find enough suckers and my ISP doesn't terminate me first

for sending all that spam).







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What Kinda Herbs Could Be In This?

From: "yklaw" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:38:07 +0800

--------

"Sarah DeNoise" <sarahden2456@aol.com> gl

news:90E05AFFBsarahden2456aolcom@209.68.248.162...

> I saw this last week on a wire site...

>

>

> SWEDISH SOFT DRINK CLAIMS TO ENLARGE BREASTS

> Friday, July 6, 2001 06:23 PDT

> LIVINGSTON, N.J. (Wireless Flash) -- A new Swedish soft drink

> that claims it can increase the size of a woman's breast will

> soon hit American stores.

>      The gold-colored soft drink is being imported by a New

> Jersey firm and is called "Wunder Titte" -- German for

> "Wonderful Breasts."

>      A spokesman for importer Nordic Drinks says women who

> drink the titillating tonic for at least four months can

> expect to increase their busts by at least one full cup size.

>      The boob beverage contains special herbs that supposedly

> stimulate female hormones and will sell for about $3 per 8-

> ounce can -- mostly in health food stores, bars and night

> clubs.

>

> (c) 2001 Wireless Flash News Inc. http://www.flashnews.com

> The World's Pop Culture Wire



Probably something which will promote blood circulation or strengthen liver.

Just an opinion.











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pyrrolizidine alkaloid review (1995) online

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:17:33 +0300

--------

here: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/PAs/PAs.html



Cheers

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pyrrolizidine alkaloid review (1995) online

From: Dr Corinne B Leek <cleek@ns.sympatico.ca>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:54:08 GMT

--------

On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:17:33 +0300, Henriette Kress

<hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:



>here: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/PAs/PAs.html



Did you also do the translation?  Heroic work.  

Interesting read.

Thank you.



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pyrrolizidine alkaloid review (1995) online

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:57:39 +0300

--------

Dr Corinne B Leek <cleek@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:



>Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:

>>here: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/PAs/PAs.html

>

>Did you also do the translation?  Heroic work.  



No, the original was in English. I'm more fluent than that... 



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Pyrrolizidine alkaloid review (1995) online

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:45:36 -0700

--------

Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:



>Dr Corinne B Leek <cleek@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

>

>>Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:

>>>here: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/PAs/PAs.html

>>

>>Did you also do the translation?  Heroic work.  

>

>No, the original was in English. I'm more fluent than that... 



  Just adding the links is a lot of work!  





Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pyrrolizidine alkaloid review (1995) online

From: Dr Corinne B Leek <cleek@ns.sympatico.ca>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:02:05 GMT

--------

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:45:36 -0700, Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

wrote:



>Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:

>

>>Dr Corinne B Leek <cleek@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>

>>>Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:

>>>>here: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/PAs/PAs.html

>>>

>>>Did you also do the translation?  Heroic work.  

>>

>>No, the original was in English. I'm more fluent than that... 

I had thought so, having been reading you for, lo, these many years.



>  Just adding the links is a lot of work!  

And cleaning up the scanning!!  

And the diagrams.  <shuddering at memories of BioChem>



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pyrrolizidine alkaloid review (1995) online

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:39:43 GMT

--------







>

>

>

> >>>Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:

> >>>>here: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/PAs/PAs.html

> >

> >>  Just adding the links is a lot of work!

> And cleaning up the scanning!!



My compliments!   It is very interesting,

Marcia

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: GI bleeds

From: "Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:25:52 +0100

--------

Hi ya



Thought I had posted a post on the weekend about gi bleeds but don't see it

today...



quick repeat as I'm still interested:





My mum is in her 20th year of various NSAID medicines for her RA.  Currently

on Naproxen - 500-1000mg per day (plus a list of other shit as long as your

arm, inc. methotrexate, the full monty)



I just learned that 2000 people in the UK die each year from sudden onset GI

bleeds associated with NSAID use, and the risk factors rise with length of

use - all of which puts my mum into a risk category I'm not happy with.



I don't understand the process of GI bleeds setting in - something to do

with catastrophic rupture of the stomach/intestinal wall?



Does anyone have any idea if there are any herbs which may support healthy

gut mucosa (if that is, in fact, a help?) - I was wondering about the

mucilagenous herbs.



And yes, this is prevention of symptoms - we know the cause but can't change

that*.  Too much daily grinding hideous pain.



tks gang.



Nick



*ps - she's tried Cox 2 inhibitors but got worse gastric irritation with

them than her normal regimen.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GI bleeds

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:48:28 +0300

--------

"Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:



>I don't understand the process of GI bleeds setting in - something to do

>with catastrophic rupture of the stomach/intestinal wall?

>

>Does anyone have any idea if there are any herbs which may support healthy

>gut mucosa (if that is, in fact, a help?) - I was wondering about the

>mucilagenous herbs.



There's the mallows (any plant in the Malvaceae family, actually), and Plantago,

and calendula (petals only for internal use - I do whole flowers for external

use). They won't hurt, but I'm not sure how much they help, if as you say the

problem is a risk for catastrophic rupture.



Do the mallows (leaf, flowering tops, root if you like) as tea (add things like

mint, thyme, lemon balm, or similar to taste)(don't add, say, regular tea, as

its tannins will kill the mucilage dead dead dead). Plantago (leaf), too, as a

tea. Calendula as a tincture if you like, tea if you don't. Note that (in my

experience) bulk herb houses carry _lousy_ calendula; if she's gardening she

might want to grow her own. 



Quality test for calendula: does it have a vibrant color? Good, it's been dried

away from the sun, and it's not too old. Does it smell horribly strong? Bad,

it's been dried in too high a temperature. Does your kilo dried flowers contain

chickenshit and feathers? Wooo boy, don't buy from that outfit again... they

wouldn't know quality control if it jumped on their nose and bit them.



When you buy calendula flowers you get whole flowers. Rub it between your hands

- that's the easiest way to get petals only.



Good luck!

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GI bleeds

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:33:01 GMT

--------





Nick wrote:My mum is in her 20th year of various NSAID medicines for her RA.

Currently on Naproxen - 500-1000mg per day (plus a list of other shit as long as

your arm, inc. methotrexate, the full monty)



Marcia:  When I use Aleve (nci) an NSAID, very similar to Naproxen, for two days

in a row to relieve sinus headache, etc,my ulcer kicks up.   Ulcers with a

perpetuating irritation tend to bleed.  So I get off the NSAID's .   I comfort

my innards in various ways using some or all of the following: pantothenic

capsules or tablets, acidophilus capsules, sometimes fenugreek capsules,

sometimes my mixed panacea tincture about 1/2 dropper in a cup of tea with milk,

sometimes a branded lipotropic supplement, sometimes a mixed tab with oxbile

(because I have an iffy gallbladder).  If I think there is a virus involvement,

I include GSE tablets and or oregano capsules.





> I just learned that 2000 people in the UK die each year from sudden onset GI

> bleeds associated with NSAID use



Marcia: NSAID is effective for certain kinds of pain.  But can Rheumatic

Arthritis be managed with the Glucosamine/chondroitin type supplements ( Print

by Jane Brody and Jean Carper should be in recent books. I sorta remember

something like Miracle Cures)?   If it can, prescription meds should be held off

or elminated.

Discussion with professional care people should take place before moving in this

direction.



> I don't understand the process of GI bleeds setting in - something to do

> with catastrophic rupture of the stomach/intestinal wall?



Marcia: IMHO, too much NSAID's.  And Methatrexate is usually sickmaking.



> Does anyone have any idea if there are any herbs which may support healthy

> gut mucosa (if that is, in fact, a help?) - I was wondering about the

> mucilagenous herbs.



Marcia: Why not?  Marshmallow?  Slippery elm?  Fenugreek?

Incorporate into food?  Take as supplement?  Teas, etc.?

Maybe worth a try.

Good luck and good health to you and yours,

Marcia

---



>

>

>

>

>







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GI bleeds

From: cyli@tiny.net

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:13:46 -0500

--------

On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:25:52 +0100, "Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:



>I just learned that 2000 people in the UK die each year from sudden onset GI

>bleeds associated with NSAID use, and the risk factors rise with length of

>use - all of which puts my mum into a risk category I'm not happy with.

>

>I don't understand the process of GI bleeds setting in - something to do

>with catastrophic rupture of the stomach/intestinal wall?



I don't know about any herbs for it, but I do know that taking the

NSAIDs with food or milk is generally recommended.  They're known to

be irritating to the digestive tract.  Unfortunately, they are the

best that allopathic medicine has to offer in the way of safe

(comparatively) pain reduction, so they're used a lot.   The death

rate from suicide because of pain would doubtless be many more than

2000 a year.  Trade offs.  And most other pain killers have nasty side

effects and/or are quite addictive.



The advice I've seen in other answers looks good.  Try some of it, if

your mother's willing.  Glucosimine certainly shouldn't do her any

harm.  If she tries the mallows, you'll want to check that their

coating action isn't stopping the pain-killing effect of the NSAID.

But your mom will notice that right away if it happens.



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Subject: growing coriander

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 17 Jul 2001 14:26:35 GMT

--------



We have quite a lot of coriander ("cilantro" in American) in the garden.

It's growing extremely tall and flowering well, but most of the leaves

are not much more than spindly fronds.  The idea was to grow it for leaf.

Is this just the way it behaves in a cool climate, do we have the wrong

variety, or is there some intervention that will make it produce larger

leaves?



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Subject: Re: growing coriander

From: "Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:42:38 +0100

--------



bogus address <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote in message

news:7935@purr.demon.co.uk...

>

> We have quite a lot of coriander ("cilantro" in American) in the garden.

> It's growing extremely tall and flowering well, but most of the leaves

> are not much more than spindly fronds.  The idea was to grow it for leaf.

> Is this just the way it behaves in a cool climate, do we have the wrong

> variety, or is there some intervention that will make it produce larger

> leaves?

>

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I've had exactly the same experience Jack...  hardly any 'real' leaves on

the plants.



You'll get masses of seeds btw.  If you pick them still green they have a

really intense taste - wonderful.



You'll have a tortilla press no doubt - kind of a Midlothian tradition :o)

Smash the green seeds just a bit in the mortar and put them into your

tortilla flour together with a good lot of smashed garlic and a sprinkle of

chilpotle chili (the smoked jalapenos).  Press em out, dry fry them - the

best coriander/garlic/chili tortillas you've ever tasted.



Nick

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Subject: Re: growing coriander

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:54:21 -0700

--------

bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address) wrote:



>

>We have quite a lot of coriander ("cilantro" in American) in the garden.

>It's growing extremely tall and flowering well, but most of the leaves

>are not much more than spindly fronds.  The idea was to grow it for leaf.



  There are different varieties, and it does best in full sun,

hot climate areas.  



>Is this just the way it behaves in a cool climate, do we have the wrong

>variety, or is there some intervention that will make it produce larger

>leaves?

  More light?  The stems have just as much flavor as the leaves -

strip the leaves for garnish and dump the stems into the pot for

flavor, then strain them out before serving. 



Tsu Dho Nimh



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gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: growing coriander

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:48:29 +0100

--------

We have noticed the leaves are getting weaker and paler... The plant isnt

growing new baby stems/leaves. Is it a one year cycle only thing or

something. Ours is just about to flower, so perhaps it will recover after it

has flowered..



An Indian friend of mine suggested coriander seeds with urad daal (white

lentils) and chili all roasted separately and then crushed together ...



I love coriander leaves though, fresh on a tortilla smothered in ghee and

grilled. MMmmm



The othing tip with coriander is to dump it in your ice trays with water and

freeze blocks of it, then pop a cube or two in stocks (anything which can

take a dollop of water)



regards



Sue









bogus address wrote in message <7935@purr.demon.co.uk>...

>

>We have quite a lot of coriander ("cilantro" in American) in the garden.

>It's growing extremely tall and flowering well, but most of the leaves

>are not much more than spindly fronds.  The idea was to grow it for leaf.

>Is this just the way it behaves in a cool climate, do we have the wrong

>variety, or is there some intervention that will make it produce larger

>leaves?

>

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Subject: Re: growing coriander

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:19:42 +0300

--------

"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:



>We have noticed the leaves are getting weaker and paler... The plant isnt

>growing new baby stems/leaves. Is it a one year cycle only thing or

>something. Ours is just about to flower, so perhaps it will recover after it

>has flowered..



Umm. No. Coriander (Coriandrum sativum) is an annual. It dies after it has made

seeds.



If you have seen different behaviour in your coriander you probably have another

plant altogether. There's lots that are called something-something coriander,

eg. Puerto rican coriander, Vietnamese coriander, etc. - but these are not

coriander.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: growing coriander

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:36:30 +0100

--------

ahhh now that just saved me digging out the herbal encyclopedia buried away

somwhere. I was coming to the conclusion is was annual only.. We have only

had it a few months..





well that clears that mystery up - thanks..



Sue





Henriette Kress wrote in message

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>"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>

>>We have noticed the leaves are getting weaker and paler... The plant isnt

>>growing new baby stems/leaves. Is it a one year cycle only thing or

>>something. Ours is just about to flower, so perhaps it will recover after

it

>>has flowered..

>

>Umm. No. Coriander (Coriandrum sativum) is an annual. It dies after it has

made

>seeds.

>

>If you have seen different behaviour in your coriander you probably have

another

>plant altogether. There's lots that are called something-something

coriander,

>eg. Puerto rican coriander, Vietnamese coriander, etc. - but these are not

>coriander.

>

>Cheers

>Henriette

>

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Subject: Re: growing coriander

From: "yew" <nsyew@premier1.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:54:50 -0700

--------

"bogus address" wrote:

> Is this just the way it behaves in a cool climate, do we have the wrong

> variety, or is there some intervention that will make it produce larger

> leaves?



I have, over the years, grown allegedly "slow-bolt" varieties of coriander,

but I haven't noticed much difference.  Once the weather warms to 65-70

degrees during the day, coriander goes rapidly to seed.  Clipping off the

seed stalks as they appear helps some, but eventually the plants will bear

virtually no leaves in their attempts to reproduce.



Another helpful measure I've found is to plant the seeds in the fall.  This

gives the plants a long, cool growing season in the early spring to get

established.  Mulch is also useful (for both moisture retention and

nitrogen), especially compost.



Brina









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Subject: Re: was Anti-inflammatory herbs, netiquette

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:02:19 GMT

--------

>

> >> So what IS the reason for posting at the bottom? Carolyn



So requester for help gets help instead of more verbiage.

In my in box is a well-thought out reply to someone on this newsgroup,and I can't

remember who it was, so I can't forward.

 I also made a similar error and received an irrelevant thank you.

Marcia

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Subject: Re:  was Anti-inflammatory herbs, netiquette

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:10:57 GMT

--------

> .   I mean, I already KNOW what

> you  are replying to.



Marcia: I do better with a small phrase of originally posting to refresh my

memory.Then I like to see the answers or phrases indicating previous responses,

if available.



> > It's not like I just get some e-mail out of the blue to be figured out

> from  scratch.



Marcia: Well, I have received some of these which turned out to be replies to

my replies and not answers to requests for help, for which I have courteously

thanked the senders.



I'm just too impatient to read something twice, or thrice, I guess.

Carolyn



Well, if I receive some of your email by mistake....

Marcia

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Subject: Fleas

From: "Eric" <spamhater_egoettl@qwest.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:41:43 -0700

--------

I've got a two year old cat that came home with fleas.  I would hat to

treat her with any harsh chemicals.  Any ideas out there?  Thanks





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Subject: Re: Fleas

From: "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:31:46 -0500

--------

"Eric" <spamhater_egoettl@qwest.net> wrote in message

news:zN_47.703$U25.194186@news.uswest.net...

> I've got a two year old cat that came home with fleas.  I would hat to

> treat her with any harsh chemicals.  Any ideas out there?  Thanks

>

>

> --

> Eric

>

>I  had the same problem with one of my dogs.  I made a infusion of

lavender and peppermint.  Then mixed equal amounts of infusion and liquid

soap(unscented) and bathed him in that.  I put the rest of the infusion in a

spray bottle and sprayed it on him for a few days after that.  It worked

great.

Pamela









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Subject: Re: Fleas

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:23:02 -0700

--------

"Eric" <spamhater_egoettl@qwest.net> wrote:



>I've got a two year old cat that came home with fleas.  I would hat to

>treat her with any harsh chemicals.  Any ideas out there?  Thanks



Flea comb!  And the fleas spend most of their life off the cat,

hiding in the upholstered furniture and the cat's bedding, so you

can place flea powder UNDER her bedding, and between the cushions

of the couch and kill them there.  



Vacuum thoroughly, because the larva stage lives on house dirt,

not on the cat.  





Tsu Dho Nimh



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Subject: Re: Fleas

From: "KateyKat" <kate@REMOVEwispsal.fsnet.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:08:10 +0100

--------

And don't forget Pennyroyal for yer garden - or nematods

the pesky crits live out there as well.



Kath



> "Eric" <spamhater_egoettl@qwest.net> wrote:

> >

> Flea comb!  And the fleas spend most of their life off the cat,



> Vacuum thoroughly, because the larva stage lives on house dirt,

> not on the cat.











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Subject: Re: Fleas

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:32:28 -0700

--------

midnight@cableone.net (midnight) wrote:



>On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:23:02 -0700, Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

>wrote:



>>Vacuum thoroughly, because the larva stage lives on house dirt,

>>not on the cat.  

>>

>Actually the larva live on what is normally known as "flea dirt". The

>adult flea sucks blood, and that is what it excretes. It dries into

>little sand-sized "blood balls". That's what the larva eat. 



My parasitology book says they live on "organic matter" ...

dander, pollen, plant fragments, hair.  (whatever they can find).

Tsu Dho Nimh



"If it were not for their intestinal bacteria, some people 

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Subject: Re: Fleas

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 19 Jul 2001 01:18:45 GMT

--------



> I've got a two year old cat that came home with fleas.  I would hate

> to treat her with any harsh chemicals.  Any ideas out there?  Thanks



One of the rec.pets.cats.* newsgroups has a gigantic FAQ on flea,

louse and tick control.  (I haven't read it since there was just

one rec.pets.cats group).



All methods have drawbacks of some kind, be it toxicity, painfulness

or ineffectiveness.  What we use is Frontline (fipronil), a chemical

insecticide applied to the fur of the cat's neck at intervals few weeks

apart during the flea season.  We have six cats; three shorthairs that

don't seem to have a flea problem and three fluffies who get them bad.

Hoovering where they sit with a good vacuum cleaner helps too.



In theory pyrethroid insecticides shouldn't be toxic to cats; in practice

one of ours went into a near-coma for a few hours after his first dose

with one.



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Subject: Re: Fleas

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark)

Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:49:23 -0500 (CDT)

--------

l just used Advantage on my 2 cats. One of them (a 15 year old female)

acted very strangely afterwards. She hid in a closet & wouldn't come out

for days. lt was too toxic for her but it sure took care of the fleas.

l'm very hesitant about giving it to her again.

Mark













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Subject: Re: Fleas

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 25 Jul 2001 14:33:04 GMT

--------



> l just used Advantage on my 2 cats. One of them (a 15 year old female)

> acted very strangely afterwards. She hid in a closet & wouldn't come out

> for days. lt was too toxic for her but it sure took care of the fleas.

> l'm very hesitant about giving it to her again.



What's the active ingredient?  (That product is not sold in the UK as

far as I know, but it's a good bet that something chemically similar

to it is).



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Subject: Appetite suppressants - any ideas?

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 18 Jul 2001 01:36:33 GMT

--------

Over the past few months I've put on a bit of weight, and would like to

take it off...about 15 pounds.  



Problem is that I'm in that "I need a little energy boost, so if I eat a

little bit I'll get some energy...but all the eating does is makes me more

tired" thing...know what I mean?  I used to be able to eat my big meal at

lunch time and have a small snack-like meal of healthy food in the evening.

 This eating pattern got me from 165 lbs to 125 lbs...which I maintained

for over 5 years until last March.  Lately I feel like I need a full meal

in the evening, too...which, as I said, makes me tired, so all I do is sit

around and don't work off the calories.  I am very food conscious, but

lately, something seems to be overriding that, and I eat whatever is

around.



I tried some supposed all-natural, herbal, appetite supressors, and just

about ended up hanging from the ceiling by my fingernails.  It had ginseng

and ephedra...in what I thought were small amounts...but 1/2 tablet had me

so hyper that I cleaned up my desk at work...and everything around it...  ;

 )  Good thing I didn't take a whole tablet!



Any ideas on herbs, vitamins or foods that will kill my appetite without

making me hyper?  



Saskia



PS  I noticed that a lot of people around me have been gaining weight, too.

 There was  a theory I read one time about how our bodies "know" when a

famine cycle is coming up, and prepare for it by "bulking up".  It's one of

those throwbacks to when we were a more agrarian society...our "collective

unconscious" just hasn't quite caught up to the modern age.  Wonder if

we're headed into one of those cycles.

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Subject: Re: Appetite suppressants - any ideas?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:22:50 +0300

--------

"Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:



>Over the past few months I've put on a bit of weight, and would like to

>take it off...about 15 pounds.  

>

>Problem is that I'm in that "I need a little energy boost, so if I eat a

>little bit I'll get some energy...but all the eating does is makes me more

>tired" thing...know what I mean?  



Yep. Help your liver and your blood sugar yoyo goes away. 



From what you're saying you're probably a "cool" liver person (these people are

"hot" in the whole, having energy which either is the envy of everyone around

them or drives them crazy).



So liver-helping herbs for you would be things like Berberis, Mahonia and Rumex

- stay away from dandelion and burdock until you get the blood sugar yoyo out of

the way, and, if you do take them later on, use them _with_ Berberis, Mahonia

and Rumex. Your liver needs heating, not cooling (in western herbal terms; more

info on "hot" and "cold" liver in western herbalism can be found here:

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE - go for the manuals, go for the herbal

energetics booklet. This _works_ in practice, which is why I use it.)



When you eat, eat low glycemic index foods - beans are good, as are other

proteins. And exercise, that helps take out excess blood sugar (the spike) and

moves your liver from making sugar sugar sugar to some building materials, too,

slowly but surely.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Appetite suppressants - any ideas?

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 18 Jul 2001 22:34:20 GMT

--------

Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote in article

<7aealtkhhe541shc30qfqi6mf2so2pg9qd@4ax.com>...

> 

> Yep. Help your liver and your blood sugar yoyo goes away. 

> 

> From what you're saying you're probably a "cool" liver person (these

people are

> "hot" in the whole, having energy which either is the envy of everyone

around

> them or drives them crazy).

> 

> So liver-helping herbs for you would be things like Berberis, Mahonia and

Rumex

> - stay away from dandelion and burdock until you get the blood sugar yoyo

out of

> the way, and, if you do take them later on, use them _with_ Berberis,

Mahonia

> and Rumex. Your liver needs heating, not cooling (in western herbal

terms; more

> info on "hot" and "cold" liver in western herbalism can be found here:

> http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE - go for the manuals, go for the

herbal

> energetics booklet. This _works_ in practice, which is why I use it.)

> 

> When you eat, eat low glycemic index foods - beans are good, as are other

> proteins. And exercise, that helps take out excess blood sugar (the

spike) and

> moves your liver from making sugar sugar sugar to some building

materials, too,

> slowly but surely.



Thanks, Henriette.  It makes a lot of sense.  I'll check out the web site

this weekend.



I noticed when I eat protein lately that I eat less and feel more

"grounded".  When I eat carbs, I get very spacey and want to sleep.



Saskia

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Subject: Re: Appetite suppressants - any ideas?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:27:19 -0700

--------

"Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:



>Over the past few months I've put on a bit of weight, and would like to

>take it off...about 15 pounds.  



  Exercise!  Moderate exercise will take off a surprising amount

of weight.  I once moved 1/4 mile farther from work (I walked to

work) and in the next two weeks dropped 5 pounds because of the

added energy burning of 1/2 mile per day.  



>Problem is that I'm in that "I need a little energy boost, so if I eat a

>little bit I'll get some energy...but all the eating does is makes me more

>tired" thing...know what I mean?  



  What are you snacking on?  If it's a sweet snack, you get a

rush of blood sugar, then you crash.  Small, higher protein and

higher fiber snacks 



>I used to be able to eat my big meal at

>lunch time and have a small snack-like meal of healthy food in the evening.



  BREAKFAST?  Breakfast is important.  



> This eating pattern got me from 165 lbs to 125 lbs...which I maintained

>for over 5 years until last March.  Lately I feel like I need a full meal

>in the evening, too...which, as I said, makes me tired, so all I do is sit

>around and don't work off the calories.  I am very food conscious, but

>lately, something seems to be overriding that, and I eat whatever is

>around.



  Depression?  







Tsu Dho Nimh



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gets to do it. 





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Subject: Re: Appetite suppressants - any ideas?

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 18 Jul 2001 22:50:12 GMT

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in article

<ouvaltosllsulb4ok8bmafbj3o3hviq4v3@4ax.com>...

>   Exercise!  Moderate exercise will take off a surprising amount

> of weight.  I once moved 1/4 mile farther from work (I walked to

> work) and in the next two weeks dropped 5 pounds because of the

> added energy burning of 1/2 mile per day.  



I agree.  I dropped a few pounds already by getting off the bus a few stops

early on my way to work, and taking a different bus home at night - gives

me a 5+ block walk each way.  I got spoiled during the winter...the bus

line out here does "courtesy stops", and I live about 2 houses from the

corner of my street...L A Z Y....



[snip]

>   What are you snacking on?  If it's a sweet snack, you get a

> rush of blood sugar, then you crash.  Small, higher protein and

> higher fiber snacks 



I've been leaning toward protein lately...I've noticed I feel better when I

stick with it.  I've been craving meat a lot...and sesame seeds...and nuts

in general.  I usually listen to my cravings...means my body needs

something it's not getting.  



I used to eat a lot of brown rice with different spices, beans and/or

veggies and/or chicken.  I always felt pretty good after eating this way. 

It's just since March that this meat craving hit and the rice kind of food

started making me spacey.  



I do need to get more fiber in my diet, though...something to take the

place of the bulk I was getting from the rice.



[snip]

>   BREAKFAST?  Breakfast is important.  



I *always* eat breakfast...get goofy without it.  Here, too, I've been

moving toward proteins...a scrambled egg sandwich with bacon, mushrooms and

green onions on wheat bread is what I get in the cafeteria at work.  When

I'm home, it's usually whatever is around...whole grain cereals or

omlettes.



[snip]

>   Depression?  



Maybe a touch.  Lots of stress going on now.  You'd think it would kill my

appetite.  

;  )





> The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

> gets to do it. 



Great sig line.  ;  )



Saskia

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No excuses for not acting...and no mercy for whiners.  









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Appetite suppressants - any ideas?

From: "Sharon" <bereskos@home.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:42:14 GMT

--------







Saskia



PS  I noticed that a lot of people around me have been gaining weight, too.

 There was  a theory I read one time about how our bodies "know" when a

famine cycle is coming up, and prepare for it by "bulking up".  It's one of

those throwbacks to when we were a more agrarian society...our "collective

unconscious" just hasn't quite caught up to the modern age.  Wonder if

we're headed into one of those cycles.

--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

No excuses for not acting...and no mercy for whiners.



I have been going through the same thing- exactly- interesting-

I lost the same amount of weight,same way, kept it off and now need to take

off 15- just gained it since Christmas. Usually I can in the summer but not

this year.

 I sure would like to know how to break the cycle.

Sharon











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Appetite suppressants - any ideas?

From: "Saskia" <saskia49@nospamyahoo.com>

Date: 18 Jul 2001 22:52:12 GMT

--------

Sharon <bereskos@home.com> wrote in article

<afh57.160570$q51.1352127@news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com>...

> 

> I have been going through the same thing- exactly- interesting-

> I lost the same amount of weight,same way, kept it off and now need to

take

> off 15- just gained it since Christmas. Usually I can in the summer but

not

> this year.



Glad to hear I'm not the only one this is happening to.



>  I sure would like to know how to break the cycle.



Ditto.  It will probably take a few centuries of industrial civilization

before our biologies get used to it and lose the famine cycle thing.



Saskia

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No excuses for not acting...and no mercy for whiners.  









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Appetite suppressants - any ideas?

From: "Sharon" <bereskos@home.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:24:23 GMT

--------







Glad to hear I'm not the only one this is happening to.



>  I sure would like to know how to break the cycle.



Ditto.  It will probably take a few centuries of industrial civilization

before our biologies get used to it and lose the famine cycle thing.



Saskia

--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

No excuses for not acting...and no mercy for whiners.



Maybe- I find the more I make up my mind to "not" eat- the more I eat- I am

just not doing a good job of it right now and it is really starting to pull

me down. I am looking at your tagline

hmmmmmmmmmmmm



Sharon













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Is this good echinecea?

From: "Liam" <not@today.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:28:36 -0400

--------

This message posted with trial version of Express News Poster

_____________________________________________________________



I found some echinecea tincture. Its made only from the herb in glycerine. apparently each ml holds 200mg of the herb.(purpurea) Is this good stuff? Or should I find a product only with the roots?  Thanks in advance for the replies   Liam 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: liquid herbs

From: schatz1@ptdprolog.net

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:35:53 GMT

--------

Are the liquid herbs more standardized then the capsules?  Are they

about the same

potentcy. thanks







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Any Herbal anaphrodisics?

From: rspada@webtv.net (Raymond Spada)

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:15:37 -0400 (EDT)

--------

I'm looking for any herbs that would SUPPRESS libido(Sexual drive)

without interfearing in cogintive functions. Anybody, Anything?



rspada@web tv.net







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any Herbal anaphrodisics?

From: c3in1st@aol.com (C3IN1ST)

Date: 19 Jul 2001 06:08:16 GMT

--------

Cut your balls off. I think that would work.



>Subject: Any Herbal anaphrodisics?

>From: rspada@webtv.net  (Raymond Spada)

>Date: 7/18/2001 6:15 PM Central Daylight Time

>Message-id: <18987-3B561899-61@storefull-237.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

>

>I'm looking for any herbs that would SUPPRESS libido(Sexual drive)

>without interfearing in cogintive functions. Anybody, Anything?

>

>rspada@web tv.net

>

>

>

>

>

>

>











The Durango 95 purred away real horrorshow. A nice warm vibratey feeling all

through your guttiwuts.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any Herbal anaphrodisics?

From: "Kenneth Cooke" <kencooke@optushome.com.au>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:01:10 GMT

--------



"C3IN1ST" <c3in1st@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20010719020816.17964.00000310@ng-md1.aol.com...

> Cut your balls off. I think that would work.

>

> >Subject: Any Herbal anaphrodisics?

> >From: rspada@webtv.net  (Raymond Spada)

> >Date: 7/18/2001 6:15 PM Central Daylight Time

> >Message-id: <18987-3B561899-61@storefull-237.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

> >

> >I'm looking for any herbs that would SUPPRESS libido(Sexual drive)

> >without interfearing in cogintive functions. Anybody, Anything?

> >

> >rspada@web tv.net

> >



Apparently lettuce is a particularly good de-luster. I don't know why

though. Also camphor, if smelt, will decrease arousal, I don't wonder.



To Wakefield, if you read this, I just love your signature message.



Regards

Kath









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any Herbal anaphrodisics?

From: tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001)

Date: 20 Jul 2001 10:35:45 GMT

--------

> rspada@webtv.net  (Raymond Spada)

wrote:

>I'm looking for any herbs that would SUPPRESS libido(Sexual drive)

>without interfearing in cogintive functions. Anybody, Anything?

>

>rspada@web tv.net



I'm curious, why would you want to do this?



Tony







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any Herbal anaphrodisics?

From: "Scott" <CMayhem@ns.sympatico.ca>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:11:52 -0300

--------

probably wants it for his wife because she is having an affair



TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20010720063545.15097.00000433@ng-bj1.aol.com...

> > rspada@webtv.net  (Raymond Spada)

> wrote:

> >I'm looking for any herbs that would SUPPRESS libido(Sexual drive)

> >without interfearing in cogintive functions. Anybody, Anything?

> >

> >rspada@web tv.net

>

> I'm curious, why would you want to do this?

>

> Tony

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any Herbal anaphrodisics?

From: "KOland" <koland@staffingtech.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:28:45 -0400

--------

Or suspects his wife/girlfriend is slipping into his food - wants to check

the spice drawer.





"Scott" <CMayhem@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:9j9l86$milod$1@ID-75675.news.dfncis.de...

> probably wants it for his wife because she is having an affair

>

> TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:20010720063545.15097.00000433@ng-bj1.aol.com...

> > > rspada@webtv.net  (Raymond Spada)

> > wrote:

> > >I'm looking for any herbs that would SUPPRESS libido(Sexual drive)

> > >without interfearing in cogintive functions. Anybody, Anything?

> > >

> > >rspada@web tv.net

> >

> > I'm curious, why would you want to do this?

> >

> > Tony

> >

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any Herbal anaphrodisics?

From: Peter K <pk406@mailandnews.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:37:16 -0400

--------

Scott wrote:

> 

> probably wants it for his wife because she is having an affair

> 

> TonyZ2001 <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:20010720063545.15097.00000433@ng-bj1.aol.com...

> > > rspada@webtv.net  (Raymond Spada)

> > wrote:

> > >I'm looking for any herbs that would SUPPRESS libido(Sexual drive)

> > >without interfearing in cogintive functions. Anybody, Anything?

> > >



You may want to try chaste-tree. (Vitex agnus-castus), or maybe camphor.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Garlic for prostate infection

From: "rajinder.nijjhar" <rajinder.nijjhar@ntlworld.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:14:49 +0100

--------

Hi,



I had a prostate infection last year and developed fever and lost appetite.

PSA sored to 69.9 and my Doctor got worried that I am having Cancer.



Saw a specialist who assured me there is no signs of Cancer but an

infection.  I was put on antibiotics first on low dose of 500mg a day and

then to twice a day.  I forgot the pencillin based antibiotic name.  That

reduced my fever and appetite returned.  Felt active again.  I play Tennis

and am 68.



My PSA was reduced to 14.4 in three months and then this infection keeps on

coming up.  I have used Cipro for a month and other antibiotics till a

fortnight ago.  This pain during watering starts creeping up soon after I

stop the antibiotics.



Someone suggested Garlic 4 to 5 cloves with milk before lunch and I started

to use it a week ago and felt much better.  No, I want to carry on using it

for a month or more so that this infection disappears for ever.



Could someone tell me the maximum amount of Garlic that you can eat without

causing any harm to stomach as the Garlic is hot in nature?



I would also be glad to hear of similar experiences from other people and

any suggestions.



Rajinder Nijjhar

Indian









==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic for prostate infection

From: Alan Pollock <nexus@king.cts.com>

Date: 19 Jul 2001 15:35:19 GMT

--------

There's a newsgroup devoted to prostatitis. Can't remember its name, but you 

could easily search for it. Nex





rajinder.nijjhar <rajinder.nijjhar@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Hi,



> I had a prostate infection last year and developed fever and lost appetite.

> PSA sored to 69.9 and my Doctor got worried that I am having Cancer.



> Saw a specialist who assured me there is no signs of Cancer but an

> infection.  I was put on antibiotics first on low dose of 500mg a day and

> then to twice a day.  I forgot the pencillin based antibiotic name.  That

> reduced my fever and appetite returned.  Felt active again.  I play Tennis

> and am 68.



> My PSA was reduced to 14.4 in three months and then this infection keeps on

> coming up.  I have used Cipro for a month and other antibiotics till a

> fortnight ago.  This pain during watering starts creeping up soon after I

> stop the antibiotics.



> Someone suggested Garlic 4 to 5 cloves with milk before lunch and I started

> to use it a week ago and felt much better.  No, I want to carry on using it

> for a month or more so that this infection disappears for ever.



> Could someone tell me the maximum amount of Garlic that you can eat without

> causing any harm to stomach as the Garlic is hot in nature?



> I would also be glad to hear of similar experiences from other people and

> any suggestions.



> Rajinder Nijjhar

> Indian







-- 





==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic for prostate infection

From: grifty121@aol.com (Grifty121)

Date: 20 Jul 2001 00:20:15 GMT

--------

There's a Chinese herb called Kai Kit Wan that's works wonders for prostrate

problems. Do an internet search and you'll find it pretty easy. It's less than

$10 a bottle and it  works.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic for prostate infection

From: "Joe" <jlcw88@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:38:17 GMT

--------

My PSA is 4.1.  I have had prostate cancer very slow growth one for two

years now.  My specialist suggested that I should be on the "wait and see"

list.  It seems to me your psa is a little high.  Shouldn't it be around 5

or 5.5??

I have been taken 1000 mg of vitamin C, 400 iu of vitamin E and 200 mg of

slenium, every day.  It seems to keep my psa from 3.8 to 4.1 for the last 2

years.  Oh yes I do take a garlic pill at dinner.  I had an infection after

the biopsy and I know what you are going through.  Go see your doctor.  Good

luck.

"Grifty121" <grifty121@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20010719202015.16566.00000246@ng-cc1.aol.com...

> There's a Chinese herb called Kai Kit Wan that's works wonders for

prostrate

> problems. Do an internet search and you'll find it pretty easy. It's less

than

> $10 a bottle and it  works.









==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GI bleeds / tks

From: "Nick" <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:58:36 +0100

--------

Hi



thanks for those responses - will give the various mallows etc a try.



Just fyi glucosamine is mainly effective against Osteo Arthritis.  There

seem to be osteo elements in RA so I've got her on this too but it doesn't

really do much for RA per se - hideous disease that it is - especially when

there's no lining left in the joints and you've got bone grinding on bone.



all the best



Nick











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GI bleeds / tks

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:36:53 GMT

--------





Nick wrote:



> Hi

>

> thanks for those responses - will give the various mallows etc a try.

>

> Just fyi glucosamine is mainly effective against Osteo Arthritis.  There

> seem to be osteo elements in RA so I've got her on this too but it doesn't

> really do much for RA per se - hideous disease that it is - especially when

> there's no lining left in the joints and you've got bone grinding on bone.all

> the best Nick



Glucosamine/chondroitin supplements are for repairing the cartilage that shows

up as spaces on an X-Ray, rheumatoid.   If there is osteo damage, there are

possibly calcium deposits, and with the NSAID's a combination of calcium with

vitamin C to mitigate the increase of calcium deposits or move small parts of

it into solution might add a complication that would make things worse.  But,

you could run it by the professionals who are monitoring...

Good luck and good health to you and yours,

Marcia

---









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Japanese Medicinal Plants

From: "jesse glass" <ahadada@gol.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:21:49 GMT

--------

I'm looking for information on medicinal plants in Japan.  If anyone could

offer information or refer me to articles or books, it would be appreciated.

Thanks! Jesse









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Japanese Medicinal Plants

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:01:42 +0300

--------

"jesse glass" <ahadada@gol.com> wrote:



>I'm looking for information on medicinal plants in Japan.  If anyone could

>offer information or refer me to articles or books, it would be appreciated.



The Japanese brand of TCM is kampo. Do a few searches for that. But know that

you'd need to know Japanese in order to get their quality texts - not very much

has been translated.



I'm looking at "Color Encyclopedia of Medicinal Herbs garblegarblegarblegarble

826 garblegarble" right now. It's a nice enough book, with color photos for

every single plant listed, but unfortunately it's in Japanese. 900 pages, 826

plants, 5800 yen, Kazuo Izawa 1998. No, I don't know Japanese, it was a gift

from people who were simply _delighted_ at my pleased-sour expression when I

opened their package. 

Faugh! Trying to get me to learn Japanese! Well, okay, they did promise me a

"Nelson" (_The_ English-Japanese dictionary) if I wanted one ...



Cheers

Henriette (Currently, I've got about a quarter of my Japanese plant pics online.

It'll be close to half by the end of next week. The rest will follow soonish.)



-- 

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: feverfew and ants and bugs

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:07:43 +0100

--------

I have some great feverfew growing well. Thing is it has some black bugs and

billions of ants. My partner tells me the ants are possibly harvesting the

bugs. Allowing them to survive and then doing their ant thing with them...

The plants lookhealthy apart from the black bugs sitting in them and ants

crawling all over them..



Whats the best way to treat this, Garlic in water???



Sue











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: feverfew and ants and bugs

From: "KateyKat" <kate@REMOVEwispsal.fsnet.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:48:40 +0100

--------

What's with the garlic?  We grew it last year yet green/black flies

were unconcerned.



I've read that sprinkling cinamon with get the ants to move house :-)

Ladybirds for the blackfly .. after the ants have left.



Kath



Sue Green <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

> I have some great feverfew growing well. Thing is it has some black bugs

and

> billions of ants. My partner tells me the ants are possibly harvesting the

> bugs. Allowing them to survive and then doing their ant thing with them...

> The plants lookhealthy apart from the black bugs sitting in them and ants

> crawling all over them..

>

> Whats the best way to treat this, Garlic in water???











==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: feverfew and ants and bugs

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:47:13 +0100

--------

I heard a good treatments for bugs is garlic (and nettles)



Right, I have cinnamon, but how the heck do I get ladybirds? What do they

like? I cant go buying em fancy like off the net as Im outta cash now..



thanks



Sue









KateyKat wrote in message <9j82a8$1j3$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>...

>What's with the garlic?  We grew it last year yet green/black flies

>were unconcerned.

>

>I've read that sprinkling cinamon with get the ants to move house :-)

>Ladybirds for the blackfly .. after the ants have left.

>

>Kath

>

>Sue Green <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

>> I have some great feverfew growing well. Thing is it has some black bugs

>and

>> billions of ants. My partner tells me the ants are possibly harvesting

the

>> bugs. Allowing them to survive and then doing their ant thing with

them...

>> The plants lookhealthy apart from the black bugs sitting in them and ants

>> crawling all over them..

>>

>> Whats the best way to treat this, Garlic in water???

>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: feverfew and ants and bugs

From: garlicgrower@snip.net (Alliums)

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 01 12:24:19 GMT

--------

"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:



>Right, I have cinnamon, but how the heck do I get ladybirds? What do they

>like?



Any flower with lots of pollen will keep ladybugs in your garden.  Cosmos is 

one of their favorite flowers -- I plant it in the middle and/or ends of my 

veggie beds.  Zinnia, marigolds, roses, golden margaurite will also work.  

Letting some of your herbs flower also keeps the beneficals happy -- oregano, 

apple mint (all mints work, but apple mint flowers seem to be a favorite), 

valerian -- plant some for you to harvest and let some flower for the "good 

bugs"





Dinara, the Garlic QUEEN*

Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!        <*>



*Philadelphia Harvest Show 2000 results:



Horticultural Excellence Award: Garlic, Single Variety

Horticultural Excellence Award & Best of Show Runner-Up: Garlic Basket, 10 Varieties

Community Garden Sweepstakes Award: Most Blue Ribbons Won by a Community Garden





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: feverfew and ants and bugs

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:29:34 -0700

--------

garlicgrower@snip.net (Alliums) wrote:



>"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>

>>Right, I have cinnamon, but how the heck do I get ladybirds? What do they

>>like?

>

>Any flower with lots of pollen will keep ladybugs in your garden.  



Ladybirds eat other bugs, particularly aphids.  If you have a lot

of aphids, they willstay and lay thir eggs.  If they don't see

enough aphids to sustain their children, they will fly away

looking for a better nursery.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



"If it were not for their intestinal bacteria, some people 

would have no culture at all."  Koch 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: feverfew and ants and bugs

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:54:18 +0100

--------

Yipppeee... first of all I have flowering Thyme, and mint (although I think

its ginger mint and spearmint).  Also I dumped some old soil in the back

garden last year and this year sprung forth a mighty valerian plant. Them

roots just dont give up.



Okay, Ill keep an eye out, Im now currently battling an indoor crop of

caterpillers which have taken a liking to my clary sage and the chili

plant.. Little munchers. Certainly looks like Ive cultivated the beginning

of an ecosystem here but something is still unbalanced...



Time will tell..





thanks for the hints everyone...





Sue















Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message ...

>garlicgrower@snip.net (Alliums) wrote:

>

>>"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>>

>>>Right, I have cinnamon, but how the heck do I get ladybirds? What do they

>>>like?

>>

>>Any flower with lots of pollen will keep ladybugs in your garden.

>

>Ladybirds eat other bugs, particularly aphids.  If you have a lot

>of aphids, they willstay and lay thir eggs.  If they don't see

>enough aphids to sustain their children, they will fly away

>looking for a better nursery.

>

>Tsu Dho Nimh

>

>"If it were not for their intestinal bacteria, some people

>would have no culture at all."  Koch









==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: feverfew and ants and bugs

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:32:54 -0700

--------

"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:



>Okay, Ill keep an eye out, Im now currently battling an indoor crop of

>caterpillers which have taken a liking to my clary sage and the chili

>plant.. Little munchers. Certainly looks like Ive cultivated the beginning

>of an ecosystem here but something is still unbalanced...



You need a toad!  Or a gecko, for indoors. 

Tsu Dho Nimh



"If it were not for their intestinal bacteria, some people 

would have no culture at all."  Koch 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: feverfew and ants and bugs

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:33:06 -0700

--------

"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:



>I have some great feverfew growing well. Thing is it has some black bugs and

>billions of ants. My partner tells me the ants are possibly harvesting the

>bugs. Allowing them to survive and then doing their ant thing with them...

>The plants lookhealthy apart from the black bugs sitting in them and ants

>crawling all over them..

>

>Whats the best way to treat this, Garlic in water???





Just wash the sprigs thoroughly after you harvest them.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: feverfew and ants and bugs

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:48:13 +0100

--------

sounds fair enough to me... poor beggars gonna get drowned in the sink.. Oh

boy am I full of conflicts/ Dont want em on my plants but dont wanna kill

em... deary me ..



:0)



Sue







Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message ...

>"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>



>

>Just wash the sprigs thoroughly after you harvest them.

>

>Tsu Dho Nimh

>

>The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

>gets to do it.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: feverfew and ants and bugs

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:30:11 -0700

--------

"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:



>sounds fair enough to me... poor beggars gonna get drowned in the sink.. Oh

>boy am I full of conflicts/ Dont want em on my plants but dont wanna kill

>em... deary me ..





  Well, you could gently pick them off and place them on another

plant.  Sure you could.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: feverfew and ants and bugs

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:38:47 +0100

--------

yeah sure I can...I can do that, and it would certainly entertain the

neighbours if they dared to enquire....But it might take a while. And

perhaps that much concentration might blow my head off - or lead to some

kinda spiritual enlightement... what a gamble!!



;0)



Sue





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>"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>

>

>

>  Well, you could gently pick them off and place them on another

>plant.  Sure you could.

>

>Tsu Dho Nimh

>

>The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

>gets to do it.









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Subject: Re: feverfew and ants and bugs

From: Leslie Smith <msmith2@nc.rr.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:40:03 GMT

--------

Sue, Ladybirds can easily be bought by the case (Usually several

thousand in a case.) from your local gardening supply shop or they can

order them for you. The box will look like cardboard container of ice

cream if they were raised locally. The prices range from as little as

$10US to $30US. (Some of the larger gardening shops will try to tell

you about their "designer" bugs. :) They almost describe them like

thoroughbred horses.)



Deployment- Take them out on a relatively sunny day and sprinkle the

entire box all over your garden area. Be warned though, they will

migrate so if your home is close to the garden you'll be gettiing

visitors. Plus there's a good possibility that your neighbor's garden

could get some too.





Leslie







On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:38:47 +0100, "Sue Green"

<sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:



>yeah sure I can...I can do that, and it would certainly entertain the

>neighbours if they dared to enquire....But it might take a while. And

>perhaps that much concentration might blow my head off - or lead to some

>kinda spiritual enlightement... what a gamble!!

>

>;0)

>

>Sue

>

>

>Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message

><0h5glt0ftfc07g45dsf9cmh0fj31oev673@4ax.com>...

>>"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>  Well, you could gently pick them off and place them on another

>>plant.  Sure you could.

>>

>>Tsu Dho Nimh

>>

>>The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

>>gets to do it.

>







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Subject: Re: feverfew and ants and bugs

From: "Dawson" <abccd@>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:14:11 -0500

--------

I would suggest simmering a strong combination of cayenne pepper and water,

letting it sit overnight, and then spraying it on the plant.  Make sure to

get the underside of the leaves.  If this doesn't work, try mixing a bit of

dish soap (Dawn and the like) with water and spraying it on the plant.  Be

careful with this one, if you use too much soap, you risk clogging the

"pores" on the plant and killing it.









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Subject: Bay leaves

From: "James Rapier" <jrapier@dcr.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:48:40 -0400

--------

I just finished using the last of my bay leaves cooking a swiss steak. It

was a large container and lasted a few years. The stuff still had a strong

aroma. My question to anyone is where this comes from and is there any

medicinal value in it. Seems I had read at one time that it came from a tree

grown in N California. Would that be some kind of Laurel?









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bay leaves

From: "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:29:12 -0500

--------



"> I just finished using the last of my bay leaves cooking a swiss steak. It

> was a large container and lasted a few years. The stuff still had a strong

> aroma. My question to anyone is where this comes from and is there any

> medicinal value in it. Seems I had read at one time that it came from a

tree

> grown in N California. Would that be some kind of Laurel?

>

>

I use the essential oil sometimes in my cold remedies.  It inhibits

bacterial growth.  It is also supposed to help stimulate hair growth.

However, I have never tried it for that purpose.  It is a Laurel and grows

in warm climates (that is why I don't have one, I was afraid it wouldn't

survive our lovely winters.)









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Subject: Re: Bay leaves

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 21 Jul 2001 10:17:48 GMT

--------



> [bay] is a Laurel and grows in warm climates (that is why I don't

> have one, I was afraid it wouldn't survive our lovely winters.)



They grow, albeit slowly, in Edinburgh - nowhere near as cold in winter

as the northeastern US but still gets a few weeks of frost each year.



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Subject: Re: Bay leaves

From: "geodigest" <geodigest@telocity.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:19:18 -0700

--------

The bay leaves of cooking are from the bay laurel tree (Lauris nobilis),

native to the the Mediterranean.  Used in ancient Greece for many purposes,

including crowning emperors and victors in sporting events with a wreath of

laurel.  The essential oils have anti-bacterial properties, and the leaves

are rich in flavanoids.  There are many species of trees called 'bay' - not

sure about Northern California, but in the Southeast US, there are clumps of

native trees called Carolina Bays - not related to the water feature or the

bay laurel.



Here's one herbalists listing of Bay's Properties:

(http://dwp.bigplanet.com/essential1/laurusnobilis/)



Properties: Antiseptic, antimicrobial, expectorant, mucolytic,

anti-infectious, antibacterial, candida, and anticoagulant.



Indications: Nerve regeneration, arthritis (rheumatoid) and oral infections.

May help with loss of appetite, asthmatic conditions, chronic bronchitis,

and viral infections.



Historical/traditional use: Leaves and berries were used to alleviate

indigestion, and loss of appetite. During the Middle Ages it was used for

angina pectoris, asthma, gout, migraine, palpitations, and liver and spleen

complaints.



Safety data: Moderate use is recommended.



Here's more info on the essential oil:

(http://www.aromaweb.com/essentialoilsaf/baylaurel.asp)



Constituents: a-pinene, B-pinene, myrcene, limonene, linalool, methyl

chavicol, neral, a-terpineol, geranyl acetate, eugenol, cavicol. [B.

Lawrence, "Bay Oil," Perfumer & Flavorist, April/May 1980, 33, cited in

Salvatore Battaglia, The Complete Guide to Aromatherapy (Australia: The

Perfect Potion, 1997), 144.]



Safety Information: Lawless says that it can be narcotic, can cause

dermatitis and also should not be used in pregnancy. [Julia Lawless, The

Illustrated Encyclopedia of Essential Oils (Rockport, MA: Element Books,

1995), 161.]



Important Note: The information provided in the Oil Profiles area is for

educational purposes only. This data is not considered complete and is not

guaranteed to be accurate.











--



"James Rapier" <jrapier@dcr.net> wrote in message

news:BSG57.5930$V9.487672@news.direcpc.com...

> I just finished using the last of my bay leaves cooking a swiss steak. It

> was a large container and lasted a few years. The stuff still had a strong

> aroma. My question to anyone is where this comes from and is there any

> medicinal value in it. Seems I had read at one time that it came from a

tree

> grown in N California. Would that be some kind of Laurel?

>

>









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Subject: Re: Bay leaves

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:52:47 +0300

--------

"geodigest" <geodigest@telocity.com> wrote:



<snip good botanical info, but:>



>Here's one herbalists listing of Bay's Properties:

>(http://dwp.bigplanet.com/essential1/laurusnobilis/)



That's the essential oil of Laurus nobilis. 



Herbs are quite different from essential oils. I wouldn't draw too many

conclusions from the use of the oil to the use of the whole plant.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Bay leaves

From: "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net>

Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:32:00 -0500

--------



"> Herbs are quite different from essential oils. I wouldn't draw too many

> conclusions from the use of the oil to the use of the whole plant.

>

> Cheers

> Henriette

>

> --

Henriett is right.  However, I have heard of people that use bay leaves in

their tea for colds.  But, I have never tried that.  Sorry I should have

been more clear, but I had two little ones hanging on each arm begging for

snacks while I was writing my last e-mail so I kind of hurried through it.

Thanks for the correction.

Pamela









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Subject: Re: Bay leaves

From: hherbalone@aol.com (HHerbalOne)

Date: 21 Jul 2001 18:03:38 GMT

--------

>From: "P4X4QT" pbishop@iland.net 



>  (Snipped) I have heard of people that use bay leaves in their tea for colds.





>Pamela



Bay leaves are a common remedy here in Cajun territory (Southwest

Louisiana-Acadiana) for colds.  At the *first* sign of the sniffles, you pick

some bay leaves (fresh is best), simmer them into a tea, and drink often during

the day while sniffing a lot of the steam up one's nose.



The berries are simmered and the resulting tea drunk for flu symptoms.



Putting the leaves into flour bin, cupboards, etc.,  is supposed to keep down

insects, but I haven't found that effective.



H.









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Subject: Re: Bay leaves

From: Debbie Huffman <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:11:16 GMT

--------

HHerbalOne wrote:



> >From: "P4X4QT" pbishop@iland.net



> >  (Snipped) I have heard of people that use bay leaves in their tea for colds.



> Bay leaves are a common remedy here in Cajun territory (Southwest

> Louisiana-Acadiana) for colds.  At the *first* sign of the sniffles, you pick

> some bay leaves (fresh is best), simmer them into a tea, and drink often during

> the day while sniffing a lot of the steam up one's nose.

> 

> The berries are simmered and the resulting tea drunk for flu symptoms.

> 

> Putting the leaves into flour bin, cupboards, etc.,  is supposed to keep down

> insects, but I haven't found that effective.



It should be a *tea* [tisane] rather than a decoction.  At the 1-2 cup

dose it's okay, but at higher doses Laurel can have some undesirable

side effects.  As in, you'd be having a wonderful trip if you weren't

busy puking out your guts and thereby going into dehydration.  The

Pythias at Delphi generally had shortened lifespans due to the rigors of

channeling the Oracle....



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: Bay leaves

From: "small voice" <carryfar@prodigy.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:57:57 GMT

--------

It grows here in southern California.  It is wonderful to smell the aroma

after a rain on a cool day.  It stimulates my appetite by reminding me of

yummy soups and stews.



It is known to give some people headaches when they get a good whiff.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: medicinal and culinary herb faqs

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:02:07 GMT

--------

Thank you, Henriette

Marcia

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Processing aloe vera

From: "Pigswill" <pigswill00@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:46:24 GMT

--------

  My father is 77 has no computer and has alsked me to see if I could find

out how to process ones own Aloe vera. I thought this would be an easy task

but have found no where at all that describes it in detail, as he wishes to

prduce his own for his own use.

  If anyone could hook my up with such info I sure would appreciate it



Thanks so much



Ken









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Subject: Re: Processing aloe vera

From: Shawn Legrand <splegrand@yahoo.com>

Date: 20 Jul 2001 19:34:45 -0700

--------

If you want to use it as a topical lotion, you need do nothing but cut

open the cactus 'leaf' and scrape out the aloe (the juicy substance

inside). This is how I use it for sunburn, rashes, etc.



"Pigswill" <pigswill00@hotmail.com> writes:



>   My father is 77 has no computer and has alsked me to see if I could find

> out how to process ones own Aloe vera. I thought this would be an easy task

> but have found no where at all that describes it in detail, as he wishes to

> prduce his own for his own use.

>   If anyone could hook my up with such info I sure would appreciate it

> 

> Thanks so much

> 

> Ken

> 

> 



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Subject: Re: Processing aloe vera

From: "Martin Clarke" <M.R.Clarke@tesco.net>

Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:51:16 +0100

--------

I have a very good book giving details on how to process Aloe Vera. I will

come back with details.



"Shawn Legrand" <splegrand@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:vgknypq2.fsf@yahoo.com...

> If you want to use it as a topical lotion, you need do nothing but cut

> open the cactus 'leaf' and scrape out the aloe (the juicy substance

> inside). This is how I use it for sunburn, rashes, etc.

>

> "Pigswill" <pigswill00@hotmail.com> writes:

>

> >   My father is 77 has no computer and has alsked me to see if I could

find

> > out how to process ones own Aloe vera. I thought this would be an easy

task

> > but have found no where at all that describes it in detail, as he wishes

to

> > prduce his own for his own use.

> >   If anyone could hook my up with such info I sure would appreciate it

> >

> > Thanks so much

> >

> > Ken

> >

> >

>

> --

> Shawn Legrand

> Email:  splegrand@yahoo.com

>

>

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Subject: Re: Processing aloe vera

From: "Pigswill" <pigswill00@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:09:43 GMT

--------

  Thank you I would very much apreciate that info



Thank you so much



Ken





"Pigswill" <pigswill00@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:QE167.1868$GR.32530@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com...

>   My father is 77 has no computer and has alsked me to see if I could find

> out how to process ones own Aloe vera. I thought this would be an easy

task

> but have found no where at all that describes it in detail, as he wishes

to

> prduce his own for his own use.

>   If anyone could hook my up with such info I sure would appreciate it

>

> Thanks so much

>

> Ken

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: fibromyalgia - help

From: "ma pickle" <mapickle@coho.net>

Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:37:52 GMT

--------

Herbs that may help: valerian for sleep, kava for muscle spasms, St John's

Wort for pain (both tincture internally and infused oil on sore muscles)



David Winston talks about a combo of kava, wood betorn, ashwaghanda and

black cohosh.



Some people also like white willow bark and california poppy for pain.



Ingrid









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Camellia Sinensis

From: Shawn Legrand <splegrand@yahoo.com>

Date: 20 Jul 2001 19:49:35 -0700

--------

I was reading an article about a 1999 clinical research report which

stated the possible beneficial heart effects of 'black tea'

(i.e. Dutch black tea). This report stated that the primary ingredient

was camellia sinensis. I believe that camellia sinensis is the primary

ingrediant in 'Chinese Green Tea'. Are these actually the same plant?

I also noticed that a picture on some Japanese 'brown tea' packages

seemed to match the picture of camelli sinensis in the article on

black tea. Yet the picture on 'Chinese Green Tea' looks like

neither. The black tea (and brown tea) picture seemed to be a leaf in

a dried form while the green tea picture seemed to be of a plant in a

natural state. Could they be the same plant prepared in different

manners?  OK, I am completely confused. Hopefully some kind being can

illuminate me with their greater knowledge of camellia sinensis in tea

preparations.



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Subject: Re: Camellia Sinensis

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 04:29:21 -0700

--------

Shawn Legrand <splegrand@yahoo.com> wrote:



>I was reading an article about a 1999 clinical research report which

>stated the possible beneficial heart effects of 'black tea'

>(i.e. Dutch black tea). This report stated that the primary ingredient

>was camellia sinensis. I believe that camellia sinensis is the primary

>ingrediant in 'Chinese Green Tea'. Are these actually the same plant?

  Same plant ... related to the Camellia with the pretty flowers

thaty is grown in the southeast USA.  They might even be the same

plant, just selected for flowers.



  Tea is processed to get the different vatrieties and flavors,

in various combinations it is fermented, dried, smoked (Lapsang

Souchong), etc.  And the part of the plant (new unopened leaf

tips, freshly opened leaves, older leaves) matters.



Look up the history of tea on google.com and give areport to the

class later this week. 







Tsu Dho Nimh



The neat thing about free speech, practiced properly, is that *everyone*

gets to do it. 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Camellia Sinensis

From: "Kevin Davis" <mvrkd@nh.ultranet.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:34:05 -0400

--------



Shawn Legrand wrote in message ...

>I was reading an article about a 1999 clinical research report which

>stated the possible beneficial heart effects of 'black tea'

>(i.e. Dutch black tea). This report stated that the primary ingredient

>was camellia sinensis. I believe that camellia sinensis is the primary

>ingrediant in 'Chinese Green Tea'. Are these actually the same plant?

>I also noticed that a picture on some Japanese 'brown tea' packages

>seemed to match the picture of camelli sinensis in the article on

>black tea. Yet the picture on 'Chinese Green Tea' looks like

>neither. The black tea (and brown tea) picture seemed to be a leaf in

>a dried form while the green tea picture seemed to be of a plant in a

>natural state. Could they be the same plant prepared in different

>manners?  OK, I am completely confused. Hopefully some kind being can

>illuminate me with their greater knowledge of camellia sinensis in tea

>preparations.





    Other than herbal teas, the only difference in the color of teas....

green, oolong,or black..... is the level of fermentation. Green teas aren't

fermented at all , and for that reason, are supposed to be the most

beneficial. Oolong [ brown] teas are mildly fermented and black teas are

fully fermented. The fermentation process releases enzymes that contribute

to the natural sweetness of the tea.



Kevin Davis









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Camellia Sinensis

From: Shawn Legrand <splegrand@yahoo.com>

Date: 21 Jul 2001 21:06:11 -0700

--------

Thanks to Tsu Dho Nimh and Kevin Davis for the explanations. You both

have cleared up my confusion on this matter. 

"Kevin Davis" <mvrkd@nh.ultranet.com> writes:



> Shawn Legrand wrote in message ...

> >I was reading an article about a 1999 clinical research report which

> >stated the possible beneficial heart effects of 'black tea'

> >(i.e. Dutch black tea). This report stated that the primary ingredient

> >was camellia sinensis. I believe that camellia sinensis is the primary

> >ingrediant in 'Chinese Green Tea'. Are these actually the same plant?

> >I also noticed that a picture on some Japanese 'brown tea' packages

> >seemed to match the picture of camelli sinensis in the article on

> >black tea. Yet the picture on 'Chinese Green Tea' looks like

> >neither. The black tea (and brown tea) picture seemed to be a leaf in

> >a dried form while the green tea picture seemed to be of a plant in a

> >natural state. Could they be the same plant prepared in different

> >manners?  OK, I am completely confused. Hopefully some kind being can

> >illuminate me with their greater knowledge of camellia sinensis in tea

> >preparations.

> 

> 

>     Other than herbal teas, the only difference in the color of teas....

> green, oolong,or black..... is the level of fermentation. Green teas aren't

> fermented at all , and for that reason, are supposed to be the most

> beneficial. Oolong [ brown] teas are mildly fermented and black teas are

> fully fermented. The fermentation process releases enzymes that contribute

> to the natural sweetness of the tea.

> 

> Kevin Davis

> 

> 



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Subject: Camellia Sinensis

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 22 Jul 2001 09:31:43 GMT

--------

(begin quote)



   I was reading an article about a 1999 clinical research report which

   stated the possible beneficial heart effects of 'black tea'

   (i.e. Dutch black tea). This report stated that the primary ingredient

   was camellia sinensis. I believe that camellia sinensis is the primary

   ingrediant in 'Chinese Green Tea'. Are these actually the same plant?

   I also noticed that a picture on some Japanese 'brown tea' packages

   seemed to match the picture of camelli sinensis in the article on

   black tea. Yet the picture on 'Chinese Green Tea' looks like

   neither. The black tea (and brown tea) picture seemed to be a leaf in

   a dried form while the green tea picture seemed to be of a plant in a

   natural state. Could they be the same plant prepared in different

   manners?  OK, I am completely confused. Hopefully some kind being can

   illuminate me with their greater knowledge of camellia sinensis in tea

   preparations.



   --

   Shawn Legrand

(end of quote)



From what I read, black tea is made from Camellia sinensis leaves, fermented.

Green tea comes from the same plant species, not fermented.  Oolong tea is

partially fermented.  Maybe Japanese brown tea is the same as black tea, or

maybe somebody else has a better idea.



You can't always judge from the picture, which may in some cases depict the

plant the product came from rather than the packaged product itself.









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Subject: Re: Camellia Sinensis

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:03:09 -0400

--------



"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net> wrote in message

news:9je6hu$niiru$1@ID-49635.news.dfncis.de...



snip

>

> You can't always judge from the picture, which may in some cases depict

the

> plant the product came from rather than the packaged product itself.

>

snip



or-lolol-a picture of the idealized plant and the idealized effect- like the

lady taming the dragon in a field full of flowers for tea made from the

flowers. What should we call this- art-o-therapy? Visualizing intent? Good

sales gimmick? They say laughter helps decrease stress, and I do get a

chuckle from that.

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Subject: Re: Camellia Sinensis

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:58:58 GMT

--------





Thomas Mueller wrote:



> (begin quote)

>

>    I was reading an article about a 1999 clinical research report which

>    stated the possible beneficial heart effects of 'black tea'

>    (i.e. Dutch black tea). This report stated that the primary ingredient

>    was camellia sinensis. I believe that camellia sinensis is the primary

>    ingrediant in 'Chinese Green Tea'. Are these actually the same plant?

>



Green tea, black tea, brown tea are all camellia sinensis.  The tiny leaves at

the very tip are for the orange pekoe component.  Processing makes further

changes in the final beverage components.  the Catechins and catecholamines that

I have read about somewhere as being cancer protective are more abundant in green

tea, but are present in varying amounts and proportions in the other teas.  IMHO,

enjoy your tea, any kind.

Marcia

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Subject: books

From: "mozan8" <mozan8@ntlworld.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 08:33:17 +0100

--------

I am sincere believer of natural cure.I want to study about herbs,I wonder

if could join any club or buy some books to study the subject.please help.

mohan.



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Subject: Re: books

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:04:39 GMT

--------





mozan8 wrote:



> I am sincere believer of natural cure.I want to study about herbs,I wonder

> if could join any club or buy some books to study the subject.please help.

> mohan.

>



Why don't you start with the herb faqs gathered by Henriette, right on this

news group?

Marcia

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Subject: Re: books

From: healingpgs@aol.comic (HealingPgs)

Date: 26 Jul 2001 00:47:28 GMT

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>I am sincere believer of natural cure.I want to study about herbs,I wonder

>if could join any club or buy some books to study the subject.please help.

>mohan.



There's various herbalist groups around the world. You don't necessarily need

to join to study (it's not a secret cabal) but it's fun to  get their magazines

and talk with like-minded people. In the US, one group is the American

Herbalists Guild, which sponsors seminars and conferences, publishes a very

good magazine, and so on.



You can also find out more about various herbalist schools and class at the

following website:

www.naturalhealers.com



Good luck!

Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://www.healingpgs.com/

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Re: books

From: "Jonathan Chatfield" <jonbchat@bellsouth.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 23:24:07 -0500

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Two Words....



JOHN LUST!

 His herb book is the tome of herbals!

HealingPgs <healingpgs@aol.comic> wrote in message

news:20010725204728.29980.00001070@ng-ci1.aol.com...

> >I am sincere believer of natural cure.I want to study about herbs,I

wonder

> >if could join any club or buy some books to study the subject.please

help.

> >mohan.

>

> There's various herbalist groups around the world. You don't necessarily

need

> to join to study (it's not a secret cabal) but it's fun to  get their

magazines

> and talk with like-minded people. In the US, one group is the American

> Herbalists Guild, which sponsors seminars and conferences, publishes a

very

> good magazine, and so on.

>

> You can also find out more about various herbalist schools and class at

the

> following website:

> www.naturalhealers.com

>

> Good luck!

> Regards,

> Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

> http://www.healingpgs.com/

> Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

> http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm











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Subject: Re: books

From: Linda N <linda_n@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:02:30 GMT

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On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 23:24:07 -0500, "Jonathan Chatfield"

<jonbchat@bellsouth.net> wrote:



>Two Words....

>

>JOHN LUST!

> His herb book is the tome of herbals!



Funny, I have John Lust's book (as well as tons of the others) but

except for sometimes (rarely) having some information on an herb that

I can't find elsewhere, I don't find the book all that helpful.  I

find myself wondering why it is touted so much.



I like "The New Holistic Herbal" by David Hoffman, "The Way of Herbs"

by Michael Tierra, and although it does NOT list the actions of herbs

(like alterative, vulnerary, bitter, etc.) one of the best books with

comprehensive but COMPACT information about herbs is "The New Age

Herbalist" by Richard Mabey as consultant Editor.  



This little gem of a book was on the American Herbalists Guild's

recommended reading list, recommended on a list Rosemary Gladstar has

at the end of her book, "Herbal Healing for Women" and listed on

another list she gives out to students taking her herbal course (which

I finally am and so I am therefore officially now an herbal student!

Yes!)



Anyway, I got it used at half.com for 5 bucks and it was one of the

Best 5 bucks I ever spent.



Of course no herbalist should be without "A Modern Herbal" by Margaret

Grieve.  I also like "The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants" by Andrew

Chevallier.



Linda N









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Subject: LOOKING FOR REMEDY FOR PROSTATE INFECTION

From: "rajinder.nijjhar" <rajinder.nijjhar@ntlworld.com>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:49:27 +0100

--------

Hi,



If any body knows or have experience of prostate infection.  Some one

suggests drinking water cleanses the infection off.



Rajinder











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Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR REMEDY FOR PROSTATE INFECTION

From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

Date: 22 Jul 2001 14:07:36 GMT

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   In my non-legal opinion, diet-exercise-stress reduction



   Dr.Stone offers non invasive bodywork method for

   balancing the prostate. Press upwards from the 

   perineum while balancing with a contact to kidney

   as positive pole,  also heel of foot the negative pole

   of the prostate.  Breathing freely and holding gentle

   firm contact for up to 20 minutes. Client in relaxed

   position.   Polarity Therapy books by Dr. Randolph 

   Stone, CRCS publications UK, this method is part of

   "Evolutionary Series" in a hand written volume.

 

Lee  

   













"rajinder.nijjhar" (rajinder.nijjhar@ntlworld.com) writes:

> Hi,

> 

> If any body knows or have experience of prostate infection.  Some one

> suggests drinking water cleanses the infection off.

> 

> Rajinder

> 

> 

> 





--

http://www.ncf.ca/~bh295/                    treesong

http://www.altnature.com/ginseng/             DryaD





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Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR REMEDY FOR PROSTATE INFECTION

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:05:30 GMT

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"rajinder.nijjhar" wrote:



> Hi,

>

> If any body knows or have experience of prostate infection.  Some one

> suggests drinking water cleanses the infection off.

>

> Rajinder



Hydration is good for health in general and even better for ANY

infection.

Verbally or mentally affirming  health  with statements like " this water

is helping me, ( adding perhaps a thank you to your Maker) might add 2 to

20% wellness factor.  Can't hurt, anyway.

Marcia

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bacopin repairs brain neurons?

From: yomousey@aol.com (YoMousey)

Date: 22 Jul 2001 12:10:11 GMT

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I've read a couple of different articles on research that 

indicates that Bacopin can repair damaged brain neurons.



Anyone have experience uses this Herbal extract?



Thanks,

Tony





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bacopin repairs brain neurons?

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:06:39 GMT

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YoMousey wrote:



> I've read a couple of different articles on research that

> indicates that Bacopin can repair damaged brain neurons.

> Anyone have experience uses this Herbal extract?

> Thanks,

> Tony



What is Bacopin?  Are there any botanical names on the label?

Marcia

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bacopin repairs brain neurons?

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:37:32 -0700

--------

Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net> wrote:



>

>

>YoMousey wrote:

>

>> I've read a couple of different articles on research that

>> indicates that Bacopin can repair damaged brain neurons.

>> Anyone have experience uses this Herbal extract?

>> Thanks,

>> Tony

>

>What is Bacopin?  Are there any botanical names on the label?



Bacopa monniera .... seems to be the latest cure-all. I found

more citations from vendors than researchers.  It appears to be

an Ayurvedic remedy that is being or has been checked out by the

pharma-botanical departments.  Another batch or research seems to

be dedicated to getting it to grow and multiply (as a plant

crop?, biotreatment of sewage?)



Looking for 

       Bacopa monniera Wettst gives more of the research

(subspecies?) 



"Singh RH, Singh L. Studies on the anti-anxiety effect of the

medyha rasayana drug, Brahmi (Bacopa monniera Wettst). " showed

up a lot.  





And this:

"Bacopa Monniera, a very nice aquarium plant if it is given a lot

of light and relatively clean water. It is a sub-tropical plant,

grown in Africa, Asia, Australia and America. It is a close

relative to Bacopa Amplexicaulis, which is the species that has

coppery red leaves.  ... "This plant makes a very nice addition

to any terrarium,. It will grow in a dense, tough green carpet

form, which is not brittle at all; therefore making it suitable

to keep animals in your terrarium. It is especially attractive in

the terrarium. "  

Tsu Dho Nimh



"If it were not for their intestinal bacteria, some people 

would have no culture at all."  Koch 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Leg Cramps after running. . .

From: garlicgrower@snip.net (Alliums)

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 01 12:31:10 GMT

--------

Hi, Folks!



A friend of mine who runs marathons has started having leg cramps on weekends 

after he runs 20 miles.  He's limping for a couple of hours after the run, 

then everything resolves (which rules out sore mucles as that lingers for 

days, not hours.)  I suspect something biochemical going on and suggested he 

add more potassium to his diet (as bananas and kiwifruit), but that's just a 

guess on my part.  



Any suggestions from the group or good sites about nutrition for runners?  He 

eats waaaaaaaaaay too much processed food.



Thanks for the help!





Dinara, the Garlic QUEEN*

Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!        <*>



*Philadelphia Harvest Show 2000 results:



Horticultural Excellence Award: Garlic, Single Variety

Horticultural Excellence Award & Best of Show Runner-Up: Garlic Basket, 10 Varieties

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Subject: Re: Leg Cramps after running. . .

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:31:38 -0700

--------

garlicgrower@snip.net (Alliums) wrote:



>Hi, Folks!

>

>A friend of mine who runs marathons has started having leg cramps on weekends 

>after he runs 20 miles.  He's limping for a couple of hours after the run, 

>then everything resolves (which rules out sore mucles as that lingers for 

>days, not hours.)  I suspect something biochemical going on and suggested he 

>add more potassium to his diet (as bananas and kiwifruit), but that's just a 

>guess on my part.  

>

>Any suggestions from the group or good sites about nutrition for runners?  He 

>eats waaaaaaaaaay too much processed food.



My thoughts would be dehydration - is he drinking enough during

the workout?  Then some sort of electrolyte lack, perhaps calcium

or potassium.  





Tsu Dho Nimh



"If it were not for their intestinal bacteria, some people 

would have no culture at all."  Koch 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Leg Cramps after running. . .

From: garlicgrower@snip.net (Alliums)

Date: Mon, 23 Jul 01 17:54:19 GMT

--------

Thanks for the suggestions -- I've passed them on to him.



>My thoughts would be dehydration - is he drinking enough during

>the workout?  



He thought that he was -- the problem only started in the last 2 weeks and 

he's been running most of his life.



Then some sort of electrolyte lack, perhaps calcium

>or potassium.  



This was my thought -- he said eating two bananas before he went out helped on 

Sunday.  He seems to like the kiwifruit (44 years old and had no idea what it 

was! [!!!!!!!]) so he said he'll start taking a couple to work to eat with his 

usual apple at lunch.

>

>Why is he bothering to run when he eats like crap??  ;-)



Ah, that's where I enter the picture -- you're talking about your typical 

computer geek who at least DOES manage to get outside once a day (to run) -- 

asking him to cook is just way too much, so he just buys something on the way 

home.  Yesterday, I suggested we stop at the local farmstand and buy 

fresh-from-the-tree peaches -- something he would never have done on his own, 

but gosh, was he happy after dinner! :-)



Any other suggestions, just post them -- I want him healthy for a 

looooooooooong time! ;-D





Dinara, the Garlic QUEEN*

Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!        <*>



*Philadelphia Harvest Show 2000 results:



Horticultural Excellence Award: Garlic, Single Variety

Horticultural Excellence Award & Best of Show Runner-Up: Garlic Basket, 10 Varieties

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Subject: Re: Leg Cramps after running. . .

From: Nospam Nocall <phhhh@spam.com>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:48:29 GMT

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Drink Tonic Water



On Sun, 22 Jul 01 12:31:10 GMT, garlicgrower@snip.net (Alliums) wrote:



>Hi, Folks!

>

>A friend of mine who runs marathons has started having leg cramps on weekends 

>after he runs 20 miles.  He's limping for a couple of hours after the run, 

>then everything resolves (which rules out sore mucles as that lingers for 

>days, not hours.)  I suspect something biochemical going on and suggested he 

>add more potassium to his diet (as bananas and kiwifruit), but that's just a 

>guess on my part.  

>

>Any suggestions from the group or good sites about nutrition for runners?  He 

>eats waaaaaaaaaay too much processed food.

>

>Thanks for the help!

>

>

>Dinara, the Garlic QUEEN*

>Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!        <*>

>

>*Philadelphia Harvest Show 2000 results:

>

>Horticultural Excellence Award: Garlic, Single Variety

>Horticultural Excellence Award & Best of Show Runner-Up: Garlic Basket, 10 Varieties

>Community Garden Sweepstakes Award: Most Blue Ribbons Won by a Community Garden







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Subject: Re: Leg Cramps after running. . .

From: hherbalone@aol.com (HHerbalOne)

Date: 22 Jul 2001 17:43:57 GMT

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>garlicgrower@snip.net (Alliums) wrote:



> (Snipped) A friend of mine who runs marathons has started having leg cramps

on weekends

>

>after he runs 20 miles.  He's limping for a couple of hours after the run, 

>then everything resolves (which rules out sore mucles as that lingers for 

>days, not hours.)  I suspect something biochemical going on 



The soreness is caused by Lactic Acid that is produced in the muscle.  It's a

result of oxygen depletion that kicks in a different kind of metabolism.  It is

absorbed by the body.

H.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Leg Cramps after running. . .

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:15:26 GMT

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Alliums wrote:

I suspect something biochemical going on and suggested headd more potassium to his diet

(as bananas and kiwifruit), but that's just a guess on my part.Any suggestions from the

group or good sites about nutrition for runners?  He eats waaaaaaaaaay too much

processed food.Thanks for the help!

Dinara, the Garlic QUEEN*



Your potassium in foods can't hurt, except in excess, which would usually come from a

pill rather than food.

 Lactic acid forming in the muscles is one of the usual components of leg cramps.

Perhaps you have an idea about moving these deposits, and considering what he eats

before a marathon and what he drinks during a marathon.   Is there a need for minerals?

Electrolytes?  There are sports drinks for those.

Marcia

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Subject: Re: Leg Cramps after running. . .

From: "Jen in NY" <peace_4_you*remove*@yahoo.com>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:06:26 -0400

--------



"Alliums" <garlicgrower@snip.net>

> A friend of mine who runs marathons has started having leg cramps on

weekends

> after he runs 20 miles.  He's limping for a couple of hours after the run,

> then everything resolves (which rules out sore mucles as that lingers for

> days, not hours.)  I suspect something biochemical going on and suggested

he

> add more potassium to his diet (as bananas and kiwifruit), but that's just

a

> guess on my part.



Dehydration was also my first thought but there could also be a health

problem on the horizon. He should make sure he is feeling well otherwise.



Why is he bothering to run when he eats like crap??  ;-)



Jen









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Leg Cramps after running. . .

From: Foxfire <foxfire@piglet.ASARian.org>

Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:05:06 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Calcium-magnesium (2:1 ratio, 2 grams daily) and vitamin E (preferably

mixed oil tocopherols from 400 IUs daily up to gut cramp tolerance, plus

additional dry E if necessary). These are the classics for female

nocturnal leg cramps, but probably worth a try for other limb cramps.



Adding a balance of other supplemental vitamin-mineral-amino-acid

nutrients makes sense, including a slowly increasing trial of flush niacin

for vasodilation effect. 



But I agree with other posters that a complete nutritional re-evaluation

is wise for anyone running marathons.  



I've heard by rumor that average people just didn't do things like this in

the centuries when herbs were most widely used in Europe? 

	Here's a link to "Herbs Made Easy" in _Runner's World_, which

looks to me to be more trendy than authoritative: 

http://www.runnersworld.com/nutrition/nuherbs.html

and it's parent page: 

http://ww.runnersworld.com/nutrition/



Other sites that may be useful:

http://alexia.lis.uiuc.edu/~trose/run.html#Nutrition



Sean

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Alliums <garlicgrower@snip.net> wrote in message

news:tllhu26fks4c45@corp.supernews.com...

> Hi, Folks!

> 

> A friend of mine who runs marathons has started having leg cramps on

weekends 

> after he runs 20 miles.  He's limping for a couple of hours after the

run, 

> then everything resolves (which rules out sore mucles as that lingers

for 

> days, not hours.)  I suspect something biochemical going on and

suggested he 

> add more potassium to his diet (as bananas and kiwifruit), but that's

just a 

> guess on my part.  

> 

> Any suggestions from the group or good sites about nutrition for

runners?  He 

> eats waaaaaaaaaay too much processed food.

> 

> Thanks for the help!

> 

> 

> Dinara, the Garlic QUEEN*









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Subject: Re: Leg Cramps after running. . .

From: garlicgrower@snip.net (Alliums)

Date: Mon, 30 Jul 01 18:12:09 GMT

--------

 Foxfire <foxfire@piglet.ASARian.org> wrote:

>Calcium-magnesium (2:1 ratio, 2 grams daily) and vitamin E (preferably

>mixed oil tocopherols from 400 IUs daily up to gut cramp tolerance, plus

>additional dry E if necessary). These are the classics for female

>nocturnal leg cramps, but probably worth a try for other limb cramps.



Ah-HA!  I knew there was a calcium/magnesium combo somewhere, but I couldn't 

remember it.  Thanks!





>        Here's a link to "Herbs Made Easy" in _Runner's World_, which

>looks to me to be more trendy than authoritative: 

>http://www.runnersworld.com/nutrition/nuherbs.html



Is it me or has Rodale "dumbed down" their prose in the last few years?  I'm 

starting to keep up with Organic Gardening just to skim through what's current 

rather than "hard info" anymore.



>and it's parent page: 

>http://ww.runnersworld.com/nutrition/

>

>Other sites that may be useful:

>http://alexia.lis.uiuc.edu/~trose/run.html#Nutrition



I forwarded these on -- for those who are new to nutrition, at least it's all 

clear prose. . .



Thanks, Sean! :-)





Dinara, the Garlic QUEEN*

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*Philadelphia Harvest Show 2000 results:



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Subject: Re: Leg Cramps after running. . .

From: Foxfire <foxfire@piglet.ASARian.org>

Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:35:11 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Alliums <garlicgrower@snip.net> wrote in message

news:tmb8tip4oavo4b@corp.supernews.com...

> Is it me or has Rodale "dumbed down" their prose in the last few years?

> I'm starting to keep up with Organic Gardening just to skim through what's

> current rather than "hard info" anymore.



 

Congratulations, you are now better informed than when you began your

studies.   :)





I shudder to think what the FDA might have done to the health food market,

if Rodale Press hadn't helped encourage 100 million average USA folks to

take daily nutritional supplements. By the mid-nineties, Jim Lerher of the

PBS Newshour was startled and amused, when a US Senator told him quite

seriously that they didn't dare mess with Social Security --or vitamins!



I find it hard to fault Rodale for being the free-speech populist press

that they always were.  When Pearson & Shaw's _Life Extension_ was

published around 1983, they complained about an unnamed magazine to which

they attributed "50% incorrect statements". Speculatively, that mag could

have been "Prevention", which seemed to have a policy of allowing authors

without degrees write whatever they liked about food and health.  



Hmm... kinda like alt.folklore.herbs. 



What bothers *me* about Rodale free speech is these TV pharma

advertisements that say "See our ad in Prevention Magazine". 



Sean

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Subject: Re: Leg Cramps after running. . .

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:43:57 +0300

--------

Foxfire <foxfire@piglet.ASARian.org> wrote:



>Alliums <garlicgrower@snip.net> wrote:

>> Is it me or has Rodale "dumbed down" their prose in the last few years?

>> I'm starting to keep up with Organic Gardening just to skim through what's

>> current rather than "hard info" anymore.

> 

>Congratulations, you are now better informed than when you began your

>studies.   :)



That's what I thought, too. Garlic lady, you've educated yourself beyond the

fluffy shiny semi-scientific texts with lots of glossy pictures. Congrats!



>have been "Prevention", which seemed to have a policy of allowing authors

>without degrees write whatever they liked about food and health.  

>

>Hmm... kinda like alt.folklore.herbs. 



HEY!!



I'll have you know that _I_ have a degree!





Henriette, M.Sc.(Econ).



(Actually, I also have a diploma as Certified Clinical Herbalist, but that paper

isn't worth much. What was worth the expense was the solid education I got from

the school, before they gave me the diploma to hang on my wall.)



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Subject: Re: Leg Cramps after running. . .

From: garlicgrower@snip.net (Alliums)

Date: Tue, 31 Jul 01 16:17:59 GMT

--------

, hetta@saunalahti.fi and <foxfire@piglet.ASARian.org> wrote:



>>Congratulations, you are now better informed than when you began your

>>studies.   :)

>

>That's what I thought, too. Garlic lady, you've educated yourself beyond the

>fluffy shiny semi-scientific texts with lots of glossy pictures. Congrats!



I'm getting the impression that you folks think this is a *good* thing! ;-)





>I'll have you know that _I_ have a degree!



Me, too! :-D



Dinara, M.S. (Technical and Scientific Communication; Drexel University, 

Philadelphia, PA)



Tell you the truth, it was the library science courses I took while at Drexel 

that have paid off the most. . .







Dinara, the Garlic QUEEN*

Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support!        <*>



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Horticultural Excellence Award & Best of Show Runner-Up: Garlic Basket, 10 Varieties

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Subject: Lavender oil

From: Dale Duquette <n8wdn@home.com>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:01:15 GMT

--------

Is it ok to ingest Lavender oil? I have read that 4 drops on a sugar

cube is good for

bad headaches.I had carbon monoxide poisoning and have real bad

headaches from it.

Dale







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lavender oil

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:53:53 GMT

--------





Dale Duquette wrote:



> Is it ok to ingest Lavender oil? I have read that 4 drops on a sugar

> cube is good for

> bad headaches.I had carbon monoxide poisoning and have real bad

> headaches from it.

> Dale



I would take a toothpick to dab the lavender oil onto the sugar cube,

because all essential oils are stronger than people think.  And then

hold it in your mouth and try to inhale the fumes as the sugar cube

melts. Then get some kind of an"ice hat"

tied onto your headache and go walking where you can breath nice air,

even for 15 minutes.  If you are nauseated get some ginger into you:

powdered ginger in a tea, ginger capsules, ginger tincture/extract in a

beverage, lovely chewable crystallized ginger-pick one..    If after

your walk, you feel you need a treatment, why not put your 4 drops of

lavender oil into a steam bucket ( I prefer kelp powder), and inhale

under a beach towel.  Then if you need one, your nap will be more

beneficial.

Good luck and good health,

Marcia

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Subject: Re: Lavender oil

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 23 Jul 2001 11:13:44 GMT

--------



> Is it ok to ingest Lavender oil?  I have read that 4 drops on a sugar

> cube is good for bad headaches.  I had carbon monoxide poisoning and

> have real bad headaches from it.



Wouldn't it be better to treat the underlying problem?



What's good for CO poisoning? - ginkgo biloba maybe?



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Subject: Re: Lavender oil

From: Dale Duquette <n8wdn@home.com>

Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:21:40 GMT

--------





bogus address wrote:



> > Is it ok to ingest Lavender oil?  I have read that 4 drops on a sugar

> > cube is good for bad headaches.  I had carbon monoxide poisoning and

> > have real bad headaches from it.

>

> Wouldn't it be better to treat the underlying problem?

>

> What's good for CO poisoning? - ginkgo biloba maybe?

>



> I have had hyperbaric oxygen treatments, but CO causes damage to the inside of

> the blood



vessels in the brain and that causes the headache. It has been over 2 years and

nothing helps

but narcotics and my Dr. doesn't want me on them.I am open to any ideas, (the

Lavender oil

is not helping).









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Subject: Re: Lavender oil

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:51:31 GMT

--------





Dale Duquette wrote:



> bogus address wrote:

>

> > > Is it ok to ingest Lavender oil?  I have read that 4 drops on a sugar

> > > cube is good for bad headaches.  I had carbon monoxide poisoning and

> > > have real bad headaches from it.>

>

> > I have had hyperbaric oxygen treatments, but CO causes damage to the inside of

> the blood vessels in the brain and that causes the headache. It has been over 2

> years and nothing helps but narcotics...



For herbal pain killers, any good herbal has remedies for headache and other pains,

and things that calm.  Yuppy stores and healthfood stores have browse books and

botanical dot com and MotherNature dot com have interactive listings.

However, you may want to have small amounts of red meat, one small amount of

antioxidant supplements like vitamins E and C, capsules of borage and evening

primrose oil, flaxseed oil, wheat germ oil, and lesser but still antioxidant  ginger

and cayenne, and put on your ice hat and do a 15 minute stroll, and if you are up to

it, pick up the pace a little and move in the direction of aerobic movement.



Before I found out about my fibroids, and after my mixed action mild prescription

medication was pulled by the FDA, I sometimes made a strong decoction of oregano

leaves from the supermarket.  It wasn't super, but it was effective as an 85%

anodyne, and a mild soporific.    When I had premenstrual migraines, otc things like

Anacin (nci) with a cup of strong coffee with milk and sugar used to take a large

edge off.   I once had CO poisoning, but I was only sick with dull headaches for a

week or so.  But then I had to be tolerant of passive smoke, and that might have

made a disgusting but significant difference.



Hydration can be helpful, especially when you take supplements.



Now, you may be also hyperventilating.  Do you find yourself doing an involuntary

sigh?  You might get 2% wellness effect and/or better if you keep a small paper

lunch bag handy and hold it over your nose and mouth and breathe into it for (a

little while---start at some kind of baseline in seconds and increase to 10-15

minutes) as often as it feels good.



Good luck and good health,

Marcia

---







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Subject: Re: Lavender oil

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 25 Jul 2001 14:28:22 GMT

--------



> Now, you may be also hyperventilating.  Do you find yourself doing an

> involuntary sigh?  You might get 2% wellness effect and/or better if

> you keep a small paper lunch bag handy and hold it over your nose and

> mouth and breathe into it for (a little while---start at some kind of

> baseline in seconds and increase to 10-15 minutes) as often as it feels

> good.



What does "2% wellness effect" mean?



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Subject: Re: Lavender oil

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 03:03:51 GMT

--------





bogus address wrote:



> > Now, you may be also hyperventilating.  Do you find yourself doing an

> > involuntary sigh?  You might get 2% wellness effect and/or better if

> > you keep a small paper lunch bag handy and hold it over your nose and

> > mouth and breathe into it for (a little while---start at some kind of

> > baseline in seconds and increase to 10-15 minutes) as often as it feels

> > good.

>

> What does "2% wellness effect" mean?



A "smidge" better than before, enough to encourage you to keep it up.

---



>

>







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Subject: Re: Lavender oil

From: Foxfire <foxfire@piglet.ASARian.org>

Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:34:32 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Here are some things you and your doc may wish to consider:



Perhaps you no longer have CO poisoning, as such.  



Perhaps you now have chronic vascular headaches, either migraine or

cluster.  From your slight description, it doesn't sound like you have

cluster or migraine with aura. If so, perhaps you have migraine without

aura?



Is there any history of severe headaches among your blood relatives?

Familial migraine may begin with a life event trigger of some kind, like

injury or illness, and then continue with lesser periodic triggers

(chocolate, alcohol, foods, stress, etc.). Even if your family doesn't

obviously have it, you may eventually wish to get a genetic test of your

serotonin transporter gene (and others to be determined), when the testing

cost comes down. 



If your headaches are familial/genetic, then long term treatment would be

based on standard migraine management using pharma for acute episodes, and

natural, nutritional, and herbal means for general health support. Among

others, see Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ posted regularly to this group.



It is usually a good idea to keep a headache diary, which includes foods

eaten at each meal, and other conditions preceding periodic headache.



I assume that your doc has tried the triptans Imitrex, Zomig, Amerge, and

Maxalt, to treat the headaches (all four?). But despite the pharma

companies hype, triptans frequently do not work as well as ergotamine

tartrate, which is now only available from Lotus Biochemical.  Expensive,

but still half the cost of triptans, and each tab lasts longer. 



If your headaches are not familial/genetic, and CO damage to brain vessel

walls is an acurate evaluation, then acute treatment would still be

pharma, but long term treatment would be aimed at cell tissue rebuilding. 



This might be accomplished with basic megavitamins and minerals, and

arginine-ornithine at bedtime and prior to exercise to stimulate growth

hormone. Good sleep is critical. DHEA and NADH supplements may be useful.

Also, try  panax ginseng tea from red roots, and licorice tea from roots,

since most capsules just don't have enough herb to be useful. This may

require years of experimentation, since some herbs may trigger migraine

due abrupt changes in otherwise usefully increased hormone levels. 



If you have a cool or cold conformation (perhaps 40% of the north American

population does, see http://www.brodabarnes.org), some natural thyroid

extract may be useful, but your doc probably won't cooperate if he doesn't

agree that protein replication theory applies to your condition. Natural

thyroid is particularly useful to reduce the side effects of adrenal

steroid treatments. Adrenal steroids can be intermittently useful during

headache attacks to potentiate other meds, though they may (or not) need

to be tapered off in the next day or two.



Be persistent in seeking and trying various biologically plausible

treatments.  



If necessary, ask for referral to a pain clinic, and if you have to,

accept the need for long term narcotic treatment to manage periodic acute

pain. Despite TV yellow journalism, addiction is not the usual outcome for

people in severe physical pain who are treated with narcotics in a

wholistic support system.



Hope this helps.



Sean

---



Dale Duquette <n8wdn@home.com> wrote in message

news:3B5C4152.F6F175AC@home.com...

> > > Wouldn't it be better to treat the underlying problem?

> >

> > I have had hyperbaric oxygen treatments, but CO causes damage to the

> > inside of the blood vessels in the brain and that causes the headache. 

> > It has been over 2 years and nothing helps but narcotics and my Dr.

> > doesn't want me on them.I am open to any ideas, (the Lavender oil

> > is not helping).











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Subject: seeds

From: "Martin Clarke" <M.R.Clarke@tesco.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:13:49 +0100

--------

Does anyone know a good place to purchase seeds for flowers such as camomile

etc.



I would like to grow some in my garden.



Martin









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Subject: Re: seeds

From: "John H. Immink" <ecologicals1@home.com>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:31:41 GMT

--------

I may well get flamed for this but.....

One of the best quality sources is Richters

www.richters.com

Used their seeds and plants for years. Great catalogue, good website.



John

ecologicalsgardens@home.com



"Martin Clarke" <M.R.Clarke@tesco.net> wrote in message

news:9jfc5d$qre$1@barcode.tesco.net...

> Does anyone know a good place to purchase seeds for flowers such as

camomile

> etc.

>

> I would like to grow some in my garden.

>

> Martin

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: seeds

From: "yew" <nsyew@premier1.net>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:31:07 -0700

--------

"John H. Immink" wrote:

>I may well get flamed for this but.....

>One of the best quality sources is Richters



Hey, I love 'em too, especially for rare and hard to find stuff.  I admit I

buy more "traditional" stuff from Nichols (www.nicholsgardennursery.com),

mostly because Nichols is a little cheaper and (esp. after shipping from

Canada).



Brina









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Subject: Re: seeds

From: "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com>

Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:26:22 -0400

--------

J. L. Hudson Seedsman finally has a web page!  (well, almost.   He's up to

the "G's"  so far.)   Go to

www.jlhudsonseeds.net   HUGE selection, real interesting reading about herb

philosophy etc.



Carolyn











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Subject: Re: seeds

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:56:31 +0300

--------

"Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com> wrote:



>J. L. Hudson Seedsman finally has a web page!  (well, almost.   He's up to

>the "G's"  so far.)   Go to

>www.jlhudsonseeds.net   HUGE selection, real interesting reading about herb

>philosophy etc.





What? The last non-technological bastion? No telephone, no fax, just letters,

and they have a _webpage_?





Sigh. What _is_ the world coming to?







I expect you'll tell me next that Seeds of Change has adopted normal botanical

nomenclature.





Henriette (Hudson's has a great catalog. Go get it, either online or by snail

mail. I bought a few of their ethnobotanical reprints, too, way back when.)



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Subject: Re: seeds

From: "Deb" <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:47:42 -0700

--------



Martin Clarke <M.R.Clarke@tesco.net> wrote in message

news:9jfc5d$qre$1@barcode.tesco.net...

> Does anyone know a good place to purchase seeds for flowers such as

camomile

> etc.

>

> I would like to grow some in my garden.

>

> Martin

>

>



Nichols Garden Nursery in Albany, Oregon.  Herbs and rare seeds.

http://www.gardennursery.com



Horizon Herbs in Williams, Oregon.  http://chatlink.com/~herbseed



Both catalogs are a wealth of information and both companies have been

prompt in shipping and easy to do business with.



Deb

--

(in Oregon, the pacific northWET)









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Subject: Re: seeds

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 05:16:43 -0700

--------

"Martin Clarke" <M.R.Clarke@tesco.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know a good place to purchase seeds for flowers such as camomile

>etc.



Almost any nursery has a rack of herb seeds.

Tsu Dho Nimh



"If it were not for their intestinal bacteria, some people 

would have no culture at all."  Koch 





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Subject: Re: seeds

From: "Marigold" <LynnCaphidsBrown@mediaone.net>

Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:01:45 GMT

--------

You didn't say where you are, but if you're in the southeastern United

States you might try these folks.  They carry many heirloom and other

interesting varieties    http://www.southernexposure.com/

Marigold



"Martin Clarke" <M.R.Clarke@tesco.net> wrote in message

news:9jfc5d$qre$1@barcode.tesco.net...

> Does anyone know a good place to purchase seeds for flowers such as

camomile

> etc.

>

> I would like to grow some in my garden.

>

> Martin

>

>









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Subject: Re: seeds

From: "Adriana Kamenetsky" <adrianakusa@home.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:26:09 GMT

--------

Botanical Interests Co.  High yield, healthy flowers, very informative

instructions inside the envelope, very good drawings.

"Martin Clarke" <M.R.Clarke@tesco.net> wrote in message

news:9jfc5d$qre$1@barcode.tesco.net...

> Does anyone know a good place to purchase seeds for flowers such as

camomile

> etc.

>

> I would like to grow some in my garden.

>

> Martin

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: seeds

From: "Paul Maser" <paul@maser.net>

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 16:40:46 -0700

--------

One of my favorites is Pine Tree Garden Seeds, but I can't find it on the

net anymore. Does anyone have their URL?

Thanks;

Paul

"Martin Clarke" <M.R.Clarke@tesco.net> wrote in message

news:9jfc5d$qre$1@barcode.tesco.net...

> Does anyone know a good place to purchase seeds for flowers such as

camomile

> etc.

>

> I would like to grow some in my garden.

>

> Martin

>

>









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Subject: questions about siberian ginseng

From: "Eric Lauritzen" <ericlauritzen@yahoo.Kom>

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:29:05 GMT

--------

What is ginseng?  What does it do for you?  Just kidding - I read the FAQ,

and must say it's probably the best FAQ from any newsgroup I've seen.



My questions are about what I read in the FAQ.



1.  Caffeine use and eleuthero don't mix?  Does this mean I shouldn't drink

green tea while using eleuthero?  I guess I'm not sure if green tea has

caffeine or not...



2.  Is there anything else I should avoid?



3.  Do I need to take it regularly for a long time to benefit from it?



4.  The siberian ginseng I purchased is in a little 1oz. bottle, and made by

gaia herbs.  The woman at the health food store, who looks very healthy,

recommended this one.  Was it a good recommendation?



Thanks for any answers to any or all of the questions.  I'm new to the idea

of using herbs and want to explore.



-Eric









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Subject: Re: questions about siberian ginseng

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 23 Jul 2001 11:12:14 GMT

--------



> 1. Caffeine use and eleuthero don't mix?  Does this mean I shouldn't

> drink green tea while using eleuthero?  I guess I'm not sure if green

> tea has caffeine or not...



Any stimulant whatever.  Don't expect to be able to sleep if you combine

them.  It also screws up the fatigue-preventing effect of the ginseng.



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Subject: Re: questions about siberian ginseng

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:10:49 +0300

--------

"Eric Lauritzen" <ericlauritzen@yahoo.Kom> wrote:



>What is ginseng?  What does it do for you?  Just kidding - I read the FAQ,

>and must say it's probably the best FAQ from any newsgroup I've seen.



Ah, but then you haven't seen the one for news:rec.humor.oracle.d ...



>My questions are about what I read in the FAQ.

>1.  Caffeine use and eleuthero don't mix?  Does this mean I shouldn't drink

>green tea while using eleuthero?  I guess I'm not sure if green tea has

>caffeine or not...



If you do take both during the same day, keep a few hours between them. Say,

coffee (or tea, or mate, or guarana, or kola, or ...) in the morning, ginseng in

the evening.



>2.  Is there anything else I should avoid?



Anything else which exhausts your adrenals. Ie. which adds adrenalin production.



>3.  Do I need to take it regularly for a long time to benefit from it?



Possibly. You could do the 3 weeks on 2 weeks off routine.



>4.  The siberian ginseng I purchased is in a little 1oz. bottle, and made by

>gaia herbs.  The woman at the health food store, who looks very healthy,

>recommended this one.  Was it a good recommendation?



"I bought yoghurt at the store. I asked the woman who took my money if it was

good. She had very nice skin. Did I buy good yoghurt?"



There's something fishy with Gaia, IIRC. Is it Gaia that only does glycerites? 

If you know even a tiny bit of chemistry you know that glycerites only work for

_very_ few herbs; if you use alcohol, use _ethanol_, not glycerin. Corrections

to my fading impressions are welcome.



If you _really_ want quality ginseng, be that Eleuthero (Siberian ginseng) or

the real ones, go with companies which do quality tinctures. HerbPharm comes to

mind. There's probably lots of other quality suppliers, but they're likely to be

local, not available over all the US. (For European quality tinctures: I like

Bioforce (from Switzerland)).



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: OT:  was Re: seeds

From: cyli@tiny.net

Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:06:35 -0500

--------

On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:31:41 GMT, "John H. Immink"

<ecologicals1@home.com> wrote:



>I may well get flamed for this but.....

>One of the best quality sources is Richters

>www.richters.com

>Used their seeds and plants for years. Great catalogue, good website.





Why the fern would anyone flame you?  It's not as if you're putting an

ad up unasked.  People here frequently recommend Richters for seeds.

They have a good reputation.   Now if you'd answered by saying, "Buy

mine!!!" it'd be a lot iffier, but still not as certainly SPAM as a

direct ad.



>"Martin Clarke" <M.R.Clarke@tesco.net> wrote in message

...

>> Does anyone know a good place to purchase seeds for flowers such as

>camomile

>> etc.

>> I would like to grow some in my garden.





---

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http://www.visi.com/~cyli





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Subject: Re: Herbs for cancer

From: Linda N <linda_n@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:44:53 GMT

--------

On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:33:46 -0700, Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

wrote:

>>If the current treatments were so great, people wouldn't be looking

>>elsewhere.

>

>Well, no wionder! With all the doom-mongers bleating about how

>horrorific chemotherapy is, and never being able to cite any

>positive outcomes.



That's because there aren't that many to cite! Period.  Any treatment

that poisons biochemical pathways destroys more than it helps.



If you want to hear the real truth, read all of Sherry Roger's  M.D.

books. Her research is about as good as it gets and she has the

studies to back her up too.



Sorry Tsu. We will ALWAYS disagree on this point. 

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS! 



Seems to me that a lot of herbalists are just as snowed by the cancer

establishment as most of the rest of society.  They believe in herbs

and natural medicine....except when it comes to cancer.  Then

herbalists are just as willing to poison themselves to death as

everyone else.



Dr. Loraine Day is another cancer survivor who would be dead by now if

she had continued with the standard poison-the-person-in-the-name-of-

killing-the-cancer-approach.  While I do not agree with all of her

approach, in my view, she is on the right track.  As is Dr. Rogers.



We agree to disagee. STRONGLY!!  ;-)



Linda N





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Subject: Re: was Re: seeds

From: "John H. Immink" <ecologicals1@home.com>

Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:36:51 GMT

--------

Point taken. Seems like when ever I point people to a Canadian source, I

tend to get flamed for doing so, at least in the past. Actually, I do have

Richters on the Links Page of my own website, would not do so unless I was

100% happy with their quality.

John in Victoria BC



<cyli@tiny.net> wrote in message

news:ppmmltov4beo4kg6r9oudbh7ubpetm6t4s@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:31:41 GMT, "John H. Immink"

> <ecologicals1@home.com> wrote:

>

> >I may well get flamed for this but.....

> >One of the best quality sources is Richters

> >www.richters.com

> >Used their seeds and plants for years. Great catalogue, good website.

>

>

> Why the fern would anyone flame you?  It's not as if you're putting an

> ad up unasked.  People here frequently recommend Richters for seeds.

> They have a good reputation.   Now if you'd answered by saying, "Buy

> mine!!!" it'd be a lot iffier, but still not as certainly SPAM as a

> direct ad.

>

> >"Martin Clarke" <M.R.Clarke@tesco.net> wrote in message

> ...

> >> Does anyone know a good place to purchase seeds for flowers such as

> >camomile

> >> etc.

> >> I would like to grow some in my garden.

>

>

> ---

> rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless

> http://www.visi.com/~cyli









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Subject: Re: was Re: seeds

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:17:53 -0400

--------

   Yes, I'll put in a good word for Richter's as well.

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

"John H. Immink" <ecologicals1@home.com> wrote in message

news:DoY67.169026$q51.1416806@news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com...

> Point taken. Seems like when ever I point people to a Canadian source, I

> tend to get flamed for doing so, at least in the past. Actually, I do have

> Richters on the Links Page of my own website, would not do so unless I was

> 100% happy with their quality.

> John in Victoria BC

>

> <cyli@tiny.net> wrote in message

> news:ppmmltov4beo4kg6r9oudbh7ubpetm6t4s@4ax.com...

> > On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:31:41 GMT, "John H. Immink"

> > <ecologicals1@home.com> wrote:

> >

> > >I may well get flamed for this but.....

> > >One of the best quality sources is Richters

> > >www.richters.com

> > >Used their seeds and plants for years. Great catalogue, good website.

> >

> >

> > Why the fern would anyone flame you?  It's not as if you're putting an

> > ad up unasked.  People here frequently recommend Richters for seeds.

> > They have a good reputation.   Now if you'd answered by saying, "Buy

> > mine!!!" it'd be a lot iffier, but still not as certainly SPAM as a

> > direct ad.

> >

> > >"Martin Clarke" <M.R.Clarke@tesco.net> wrote in message

> > ...

> > >> Does anyone know a good place to purchase seeds for flowers such as

> > >camomile

> > >> etc.

> > >> I would like to grow some in my garden.

> >

> >

> > ---

> > rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless

> > http://www.visi.com/~cyli

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: was Re: seeds

From: "Sharon" <bereskos@home.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:03:00 GMT

--------

Me three- they are wonderful

Sharon



"Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com> wrote in message

news:9jie4k$4ls$1@nntpsp2-ld.pvd.loa.net...

   Yes, I'll put in a good word for Richter's as well.

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

"John H. Immink" <ecologicals1@home.com> wrote in message

news:DoY67.169026$q51.1416806@news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com...

> Point taken. Seems like when ever I point people to a Canadian source, I

> tend to get flamed for doing so, at least in the past. Actually, I do have

> Richters on the Links Page of my own website, would not do so unless I was

> 100% happy with their quality.

> John in Victoria BC

>

> <cyli@tiny.net> wrote in message

> news:ppmmltov4beo4kg6r9oudbh7ubpetm6t4s@4ax.com...

> > On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:31:41 GMT, "John H. Immink"

> > <ecologicals1@home.com> wrote:

> >

> > >I may well get flamed for this but.....

> > >One of the best quality sources is Richters

> > >www.richters.com

> > >Used their seeds and plants for years. Great catalogue, good website.

> >

> >

> > Why the fern would anyone flame you?  It's not as if you're putting an

> > ad up unasked.  People here frequently recommend Richters for seeds.

> > They have a good reputation.   Now if you'd answered by saying, "Buy

> > mine!!!" it'd be a lot iffier, but still not as certainly SPAM as a

> > direct ad.

> >

> > >"Martin Clarke" <M.R.Clarke@tesco.net> wrote in message

> > ...

> > >> Does anyone know a good place to purchase seeds for flowers such as

> > >camomile

> > >> etc.

> > >> I would like to grow some in my garden.

> >

> >

> > ---

> > rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless

> > http://www.visi.com/~cyli

>

>













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Subject: Kava kava plants/seeds - UK

From: "splink" <xxgn@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:38:41 +0100

--------

Does anyone know where I can get this plant in the UK?



Thanks



Garry









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Subject: Re: Kava kava plants/seeds - UK

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:37:02 +0300

--------

"splink" <xxgn@hotmail.com> wrote:



>Does anyone know where I can get this plant in the UK?



It's tropical, and you can't propagete it from seeds.



A tropical greenhouse supplier might be able to help you. If you don't know of

any you might have to order live roots from overseas. That entails phytosanitary

certificates etc. etc. etc., but if you really want to grow it, good luck. Note,

too, the tropical - you'll have to grow it either indoors (survival is dubious)

or in a greenhouse.



I'd say leave it be and buy either the dried or fresh root as a herb from places

like Hawaii or buy quality tinctures from companies like the New England Herbal

Supply Co. (nci).



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Headaches

From: thechillis@aol.comnomeat (THECHILLIS)

Date: 23 Jul 2001 19:27:13 GMT

--------

Hi,

Can anyone reccomend a herbal remedy for headaches, as an alternative to

paracetomol etc.

Regards,

Doug 





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Subject: Re: Headaches

From: "Chip Orange" <corange@psc.state.fl.us>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:48:46 -0400

--------

I have read that both Feaverphew (sp?) and magnesium supplements are both

something of a preventative for headaches, but neither is a treatment.



In my own experience (I suffer from migraines) I've found the magnesium to

be more helpful than the feaverphew (sp?).



Chip Orange



"THECHILLIS" <thechillis@aol.comnomeat> wrote in message

news:20010723152713.01152.00000692@ng-mb1.aol.com...

> Hi,

> Can anyone reccomend a herbal remedy for headaches, as an alternative to

> paracetomol etc.

> Regards,

> Doug









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Subject: Re: Headaches

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 24 Jul 2001 22:36:54 GMT

--------

THECHILLIS <thechillis@aol.comnomeat> wrote:

> Hi,

> Can anyone reccomend a herbal remedy for headaches, as an alternative to

> paracetomol etc.

> Regards,

> Doug 



I think you'd be better off trying to determine the source of the

headaches, for example: dehydration, eye strain, stress, bad posture

especially at the desk and computer, sinus problems and allergies,

food allergies, secondary to digestive problems, caffeine withdrawal or

caffeine excess, sleep disorders, dental infection, etc.



There are so many different reasons for headache, that suggesting an

herb just on the basis of head pain probably won't be very effective.



One commonplace suggestion is willow bark as "herbal aspirin," but 

I've heard that it's a lot rougher on the stomach than aspirin.



-- 

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  		"There's a seeker born every minute."







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Subject: Re: Headaches

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 26 Jul 2001 18:40:26 GMT

--------

Dawson <abccd@> wrote:

> Aspirin is derived from white willow bark.



No, it's not, except in a vague connection to salicylates.  Willow bark

contains salicins or salicylate compounds, as do a number of plants,

such as wintergreen.  Aspirin (acetosalicylic acid) was synthesized in

the late 1800s from salicylic acid, which was used, as well as sodium

salicylate, prior to aspirin to reduce fever (which at the time was

considered a cause rather than a symptom of disease) and both of those

were very hard on the stomach.



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Subject: Kava help

From: Daniel Sundqvist <daniel.sundqvist2@telia.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:50:09 GMT

--------

Hi



I recently received 1 pound of kava root i ordered from hawaii. Now i

wonder what the best

method to extract the kavalactones is. I have tried with at most 10

tablespoons of root and simmer it (took it of when i couldnt have my

finger in anymore, is this to long or to short?), and then ran it trough

a strainerbag. (at most i strained it for 1.5h...) I may have been a

litle relaxed, but could be placebo.

So i wonder if the method were you run it in a mixer with oil and

lech...? works much better so i can spend some money buying one. Or

maybe 10 tablespoons is too litle?



Thanks, Daniel







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Subject: scabies

From: "Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:54:01 +0100

--------

eeuuuuuuccccchhhhh...



I just heard that some people who will be visiting at the weekend have just

had an outbreak of scabies - thats what happens when you go skinny dipping

in an old quarry filled with water. Theyve got their treament and should be

cleared up within 24 hours, but, well lets say Im erring on the side of

caution... Any thoughts on what we can do our end to ensure an infestation

doesnt grip us - apart from the standard double dose of garlic for

everyone.. (Oh and hosing the visitors down like cattle before they come

in - strip em off and hose em down is my first choice!!)     ;0)



regards



Sue















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Subject: Re: scabies

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:36:06 -0700

--------

"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote:



>I just heard that some people who will be visiting at the weekend have just

>had an outbreak of scabies - thats what happens when you go skinny dipping

>in an old quarry filled with water. 



  That's NOT scabies ... that's "pond itch" and it is a whole

different parasite. 



>Theyve got their treament and should be

>cleared up within 24 hours, but, well lets say Im erring on the side of

>caution... Any thoughts on what we can do our end to ensure an infestation

>doesnt grip us - 



Pond itch has a whole life cycle,involving water crustaceans,

before it becomes infectious ... it's not a person to person

thing like impetigo.

Tsu Dho Nimh



"If it were not for their intestinal bacteria, some people 

would have no culture at all."  Koch 





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Subject: Re: scabies

From: "Marigold" <LynnCaphidsBrown@mediaone.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 04:39:22 GMT

--------

Infestation of your family and home is a real possibility.  These critters

are really easy to pass around by even the most casual contact like shaking

hands or sleeping in a bed made up by an infected maid at a hotel.  In fact,

these nasty critters are one of the best kept secrets of the hotel industry!

Hosing off your guests won't do you any good at all since scabies are

parasites that burrow under the skin. Now you *could* make them strip down

in the front yard and soak in a tub of hot water heavily dosed with borax.

Or at least make them soak their hands in the borax solution.

Here's a website to check out for more information, and a Google search will

turn up even more.

http://www.safe2use.com/pests/scabies/scabies.htm



When the guests leave be sure to immediately wash all bedding and towels in

hot water.  Wear rubber gloves when stripping the beds.  When I worked in an

emergency shelter we used Arm and Hammer laundry soap and added about a cup

of borax to each load of linens.  Also, sprinkle all upholstered items,

carpets, and mattresses with borax then give the house a good vacuuming.

You might want to give yourself that borax soak when you're done with the

house.



Of course, if you don't want to deal with this, you could ask these folks

not to visit until they are absolutely certain that they are no longer

infected.  Pretty damned rude of them to go visiting so soon after a scabies

diagnosis.  If they don't use the treatment properly or don't follow the

instructions for cleaning their linens and house they could easily be

reinfected rather quickly.

Good luck at avoiding these things,

Marigold



"Sue Green" <sue.green1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message

news:v%a77.14908$Iz3.3800749@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...

> eeuuuuuuccccchhhhh...

>

> I just heard that some people who will be visiting at the weekend have

just

> had an outbreak of scabies - thats what happens when you go skinny dipping

> in an old quarry filled with water. Theyve got their treament and should

be

> cleared up within 24 hours, but, well lets say Im erring on the side of

> caution... Any thoughts on what we can do our end to ensure an infestation

> doesnt grip us - apart from the standard double dose of garlic for

> everyone.. (Oh and hosing the visitors down like cattle before they come

> in - strip em off and hose em down is my first choice!!)     ;0)

>

> regards

>

> Sue

>

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Looking for Peppermint Plants

From: Alice From Hell <alicefromhell@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:22:49 GMT

--------

Greetings group!

I'm looking for an online source to buy peppermint and preferably other

potted herbal plants for my apartment

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!



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Subject: Re: Looking for Peppermint Plants

From: "Painful" <painful@richnet.net>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:24:27 -0700

--------

I just buy the seeds and grow them myself. Available where garden seeds are

sold. Very easy to grow too!









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Subject: Re: Looking for Peppermint Plants

From: "yew" <nsyew@premier1.net>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:23:34 -0700

--------

"Painful" wrote:

>I just buy the seeds and grow them myself.

>Available where garden seeds are

>sold. Very easy to grow too!



True peppermint doesn't grow from seed, as the plants are largely sterile

and don't produce them.



Brina









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Subject: Re: Looking for Peppermint Plants

From: "poohoney" <poohoney@prodigy.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:16:26 GMT

--------



> I'm looking for an online source to buy peppermint and preferably other

> potted herbal plants for my apartment

> Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!



Hi, have you tried Richters.com?  They are out of Canada but they have a

wonderful catalog and they seem to ship to the US if you are here.  Good

luck!









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Subject: Re: Looking for Peppermint Plants

From: "yew" <nsyew@premier1.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:46:31 -0700

--------

"poohoney" wrote:

>Hi, have you tried Richters.com?  They are out

>of Canada but they have a wonderful catalog and

>they seem to ship to the US if you are here.



I adore Richters and order rare seeds from them every year.  I would

hesitate, however, to have plants shipped  from Canada to the U.S.  I have

friends who live just a few miles north of me across the boarder, and it

sometimes takes a couple of weeks to get a simple letter to them.  Honestly,

it'd be faster to walk.  I'm not saying this happens all the time, but it's

happened enough to worry me.  For live plants, I'd stick closer to home.



When I need everyday veggie/herb seeds or plants, I order from Nichols

(www.nicholsgardennursery.com).  I've never been disappointed.  If the

original poster doesn't live in the Pacific Northwest U.S., perhaps someone

else can give her a recommendation.



Brina









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Subject: Re: Looking for Peppermint Plants

From: "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:22:45 -0500

--------

I live in the Midwest and ordered plants from Richter's.  I ordered a flat

of chamomile that is growing strong today and a patchouli plant that they

sent "was" in great shape, but I accidentally killed it (or my dog did the

verdict is still out)  and then I ordered three eucalyptus plants, when they

arrived two were already dead and only one has survived.  Their catalog

doesn't show a return or exchange policy.  Does anyone know if they

guarantee their plants and for how long?









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Subject: Re: Looking for Peppermint Plants

From: garlicgrower@snip.net (Alliums)

Date: Thu, 26 Jul 01 13:58:59 GMT

--------

Good heavens!  Peppermint is practically a WEED in any garden that has it.  

Ask around and dig up a section from someone that has the plant -- they WON'T 

mind.  Save your money to buy seeds of *rare* plants! :-D



(Spearmint has become our plant of choice for landscaping "poor soil" areas -- 

the whole block is starting to plant it in the spot of "soil" between the 

sidewalk and the street -- when you step on it, it smells nice and it bounces 

right back.)







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Subject: Sore Throat

From: "bgirl" <CGRANT2@cfl.rr.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:13:01 GMT

--------

What sort of tea is best used for a sore/scratchy throat???  Licorice?

Peppermint??



Thanks,

b









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Subject: Re: Sore Throat

From: jo <nospam@newsranger.com>

Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:54:58 GMT

--------

In article <1in77.807$Gh1.102359@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, bgirl says...

>

>What sort of tea is best used for a sore/scratchy throat???  Licorice?

>Peppermint??

>

>Thanks,

>b

>

>

Both of those are good as are Slippery Elm,Sage and Lemon Balm.(-_-)



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Subject: Re: Sore Throat

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:12:33 -0400

--------

   Another thing to ask the throat itself (an internal query) is what

temperature is most soothing. For a lot of us, warm is best. But I have seen

the times when warm/hot is irritating and cool to even iced offers more

physical relief. Just another parameter to consider.

--



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"jo" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message

news:SFp77.5971$ar1.18020@www.newsranger.com...

> In article <1in77.807$Gh1.102359@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, bgirl says...

> >

> >What sort of tea is best used for a sore/scratchy throat???  Licorice?

> >Peppermint??

> >

> >Thanks,

> >b

> >

> >

> Both of those are good as are Slippery Elm,Sage and Lemon Balm.(-_-)

>

> http://www.mojomoon.net

> THE MOJOMOON MAGICK SHOPPE

>

> http://www.mojomoon.net/spelarch.html

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Subject: Root only good in echinecea right?

From: "Yes" <trjkfjle@frgj.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:33:02 -0700

--------

The product I wasd gooing to buy is a glycerine tincture that says herb

only, my  understanding is that the root is the better part. Any pointers ?

Thanks

Liam









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Subject: AMBERGRIS

From: michaeldbrown@hotmail.com (Michael)

Date: 25 Jul 2001 17:55:31 -0700

--------

Ambergris is one of the more mysterious substances in the world. If

you want to learn about it, I suggest you access the Whaling Records

from times past. Even the Whalers were mystified by the stuff. The

records show that only about 3% of the Sperm Whales had it, and some

Whalers think only the males. Killing a Whale to obtain only ambergris

is pure folly, and no Whaler would do so. Even at the height of the

Whaling days, finding ambergris was akin to winning the Lottery.  How,

why or where Physeter Catadon produces the stuff is a subject of

speculation. Some Whaling records show that it was found in a sac near

the tail, a sac not visibly connected to anything and with no obvious

purpose.

Ambergris comes in many colors and stages of purification. It can be a

smelly, gelatinous, fly attracting mass on the beach (the newer

stuff), or a black or reddish/brown or milky/chalky white or mottled

or silverish grey cake or ball washed ashore, or caught in your net

(these have been purified by the sea and sun). It's speculated the

colors vary, due to the diet of the Whale. The scents vary too. The

more pleasing scents are that of an old cigar,or musty like an old

attic. It's a pleasant scent, one you will find addicting. I've even

slept with a kilo of ambergris under my pillow. Some barely have a

scent at all.

Uses for Ambergris are multiple. It's used in cigars, as an

aphrodisiac, used as a fixative in perfumes (and it adds it's own

wonderful scent), current studies reveal it's a non-addictive

anesthesia.

Casanova was purported to have made a drink with it. Arabs use it for

cooking.

Latest rumors are it's being replaced by synthetics. HA! BALDERDASH!

In a sense it is, as ambergris is actually quite rare, but the

synthetics will never match the real thing. There is only one thing in

the world like it, and that is itself. The rare, mysterious ambergris.

Truly a fitting tribute to one of the most magnificent creatures on

earth, Physeter Catadon, the Sperm Whale.





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Subject: Re: AMBERGRIS

From: "yew" <nsyew@premier1.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:14:02 -0700

--------

"Michael" wrote:



<Info about whale excretia snipped>



And this has to do with herbs. . .how?



Brina









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Subject: Re: AMBERGRIS

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:19:42 -0400

--------



"Michael" <michaeldbrown@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:fa650e90.0107251655.43a10d3e@posting.google.com...





>I've even

> slept with a kilo of ambergris under my pillow.



mmm, yes, and that pile of gold bullion by the bed I like too. And the heap

of ostrich-egg sized alexandrites, and the doorstop made of aloeswood. Such

a cushy place you do have, my dear!

--



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refuses to stay between the lines when parking --









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Subject: Ephedra in Texas...

From: luckyhoodoo@aol.com (LuckyHoodoo)

Date: 26 Jul 2001 01:00:33 GMT

--------

Hello,



I was wondering if one may still purchase Ephedra (in extracted, purified form

known as "mini-thins") in Texas.  It is quickly becoming banned in most states

including my own.



Thanks,



LuckyH.





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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 26 Jul 2001 18:55:12 GMT

--------

LuckyHoodoo <luckyhoodoo@aol.com> wrote:

> Hello,

> 

> I was wondering if one may still purchase Ephedra (in extracted, purified form

> known as "mini-thins") in Texas.  It is quickly becoming banned in most states

> including my own.



As far as I know, only 5 or 6 states have banned ephedrine or ephedra

from sale in stores, and you can still get them by mail order in those

states.



Mini-thins type tablets were never ephedra.  They are pharmaceutical

ephedrine HCL (with gauifenesin).



An ordinance was passed in TX roughly a year ago, requiring twice as much

gauifenesin per ephedrine content as usually sold.  Consequently, the

Mini-thin type products that were 25mg ephedrine with 200mg guaifenesin

are now only 12.5mg ephedrine with 200mg guaifenesin, and are sold

for the same price in TX truck stops as the old higher dose ones did.



Currently, the 25mg dose can be bought mail order from internet supplement

stores less expensively (even with shipping added) than buying twice as

many 12.5mg in a store in TX.



Ephedra with caffeine (guarana) herbal stack products are still widely

sold in Texas with no apparent alterations in formula.



See Drumlib's site below, he tries to keep up with the best

ephedrine/ephedra prices on the net.



Thermogenic Weight Loss Products: FAQ And Price Guide

  http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000006.htm



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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: luckyhoodoo@aol.com (LuckyHoodoo)

Date: 27 Jul 2001 14:47:37 GMT

--------

>As far as I know, only 5 or 6 states have banned ephedrine or ephedra

>from sale in stores, and you can still get them by mail order in those

>states.



Interesting... I contacted BDI the maker of "Mini-Thins" and they won't ship to

my state but other sites with other manafacturers will.  I wonder why?



LuckyH.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:42:00 GMT

--------





LuckyHoodoo wrote:



> >As far as I know, only 5 or 6 states have banned ephedrine or ephedra

> >from sale in stores, and you can still get them by mail order in those

> >states.

>

> Interesting... I contacted BDI the maker of "Mini-Thins" and they won't ship to

> my state but other sites with other manafacturers will.  I wonder why?

>

> LuckyH.



There was a scare from "phen-fen" (spelling, nci) which probably contained

pseudophed which is not the same thing, and if  a state FDA or equivalent has a new

law restricting sale or shipment, they occasionally have been known to be

HORRIBLE.   The phen/phen (fen/fen) scare was due to heart damage to healthy women

who were desperately trying to lose those last 5 pounds...and me with umpty-nine

pounds to lose (sigh)

Marcia

---







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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 27 Jul 2001 19:45:32 GMT

--------

Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net> wrote:

> There was a scare from "phen-fen" (spelling, nci) which probably contained

> pseudophed which is not the same thing, and if  a state FDA or equivalent has a new

> law restricting sale or shipment, they occasionally have been known to be

> HORRIBLE.   The phen/phen (fen/fen) scare was due to heart damage to healthy women

> who were desperately trying to lose those last 5 pounds...and me with umpty-nine

> pounds to lose (sigh)

> Marcia



Phen-fen had nothing to do with ephedrine, nor pseudoephedrine (Sudafed)

which is a common decongestant, or any other over the counter medicine,

herb, or supplement.



Phen-fen was two prescription drugs, phentermine and fenfluramine, used

in combination.  Neither was banned or restricted.  Fenfluramine was

voluntarily withdrawn by the manufacturer because of suspicion that it

damaged heart valves of some patients.  AFAIK, it was never reasonably

shown that it actually was the cause of damage.  Phentermine is still

commonly prescribed for weight loss.



Phen-fen also was not for women "desperately trying to lose those last

5 pounds."  It was recommended for people 30 percent or more overweight,

and was not intended to be prescribed to anybody less than 30 pounds

overweight.



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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)

Date: 28 Jul 2001 00:28:02 GMT

--------



>> As far as I know, only 5 or 6 states have banned ephedrine or ephedra

>> from sale in stores, and you can still get them by mail order in those

>> states.

> There was a scare from "phen-fen" [..] which probably contained

> pseudophed which is not the same thing [...]   The phen/phen

> (fen/fen) scare was due to heart damage to healthy women who were

> desperately trying to lose those last 5 pounds...



The combo was phentermine and fenfluramine.  Nasty shit marketed by

some thoroughly evil sleazebags.  Neither is much like ephedrine or

herbs that contain it.



Deaths from ephedrine have mainly been from Ma Huang, the extra-strong

Chinese herb (which would probably be safe taken in a sane way, as it

no doubt used to be in China but certainly wouldn't be in a culture

that hadn't learned to handle it).



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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: luckyhoodoo@aol.com (LuckyHoodoo)

Date: 28 Jul 2001 16:56:25 GMT

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>Deaths from ephedrine have mainly been from Ma Huang, the extra-strong

>Chinese herb (which would probably be safe taken in a sane way, as it

>no doubt used to be in China but certainly wouldn't be in a culture

>that hadn't learned to handle it).



No, the deaths reported were from the "purified" or sythetic version of

Ephedrine HCL.  The Deaths were also attributed to more that 250mg at one time.

 These poor gals/fellows simply OD'd.  Standard Mg for Ephedrine HCL are 25mg

per pill and the suggested dosage is 1 pill every 4 hours. Just to let you know

two cases of deaths that happened where I live (Oklahoma) occured when a teen

took 30 pills (750mg) and then went to football practice!!!  Another one

involved a teen as well who took 15 pills (375mg) and went to soccor practice. 

The young man died of cardiac arrest while the teen age girl died of what they

term "sudden death" wich occurs when the blood vessels in the brain suddenly

collapse depriving the brain of oxygen.  Now these deaths are unfortunate but

that's just plain stupidity in the amount that they took.  The highest dose

that I ever took at one time was 5 pills (125mg) and even this much produced to

many side-effects that I never took that much again.



LuckyH.





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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: jamie@sure.spam-me-silly.net (jamie)

Date: 27 Jul 2001 21:14:31 GMT

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LuckyHoodoo <luckyhoodoo@aol.com> wrote:

>>As far as I know, only 5 or 6 states have banned ephedrine or ephedra

>>from sale in stores, and you can still get them by mail order in those

>>states.

> 

> Interesting... I contacted BDI the maker of "Mini-Thins" and they won't ship to

> my state but other sites with other manafacturers will.  I wonder why?



Perhaps they don't want to be bothered with determining whether the

state law applies to selling or to buying, whether it applies to out

of state sales or not.  



I buy mail order from whatever online supplier I can find with the best

price at the time.  I haven't seen Mini-Thins brand online, but I've

gotten several other brands of the same formula since the TX ordinance

was passed.



-- 

  jamie  (mjwm@austin.rr.com)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."







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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 27 Jul 2001 08:01:32 GMT

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>I was wondering if one may still purchase Ephedra (in extracted, purified form

>known as "mini-thins") in Texas.  It is quickly becoming banned in most states

>including my own.



>Thanks,



>LuckyH.



Are these mini-thins actually made from Ephedra?  As far as I know, ephedrine is

also made synthetically, which would not be a herbal product.  Is the Ephedra

herb itself banned?  Does this include U.S. Ephedra as well as Chinese Ephedra

(mahuang)?  I never heard of mini-thins.









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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: luckyhoodoo@aol.com (LuckyHoodoo)

Date: 27 Jul 2001 14:56:30 GMT

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>Are these mini-thins actually made from Ephedra?  As far as I know, ephedrine

>is

>also made synthetically, which would not be a herbal product.  Is the Ephedra

>herb itself banned?  Does this include U.S. Ephedra as well as Chinese

>Ephedra

>(mahuang)?  I never heard of mini-thins.



No, they are synthetic Ephedrine HCL.  The herb itself is not banned but just

taking the herb won't produce the thermogenic results obtained by taking the

Ephedrine Hcl with Caffiene.  "Mini-Thins" were the name of a product of

ephedrine Hcl produced by the company BDI.  Around 95, several states starting

banning Ephedrine Hcl from sale to the public.  Business found to be carrying

such items were treated just as if they were dealing crack cocaine.  It is a

shame.  The reasons givin for such actions include the fact that Ephedrine HCL

is the main ingrediant for crystal meth-amphetamine and several teenage deaths

attributed to overdosing on the drug.  Testomonial wise, I can tell you that

this is one of the few products that actualy "melt" fat away.  My first week of

taking ephedrine Hcl I lost 15 lbs.  The funny thing about it is that the drug

isn't intended for weight-loss.  The drug is marketed to provide asthma relief.



LuckyH.



LuckyH.





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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 02:48:08 GMT

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Wakefield wrote:



>    Myself, I am still looking for a source of the plant (the live plant,

> ephedra sinica) to put in my 'simples' garden. I have asthma which is mostly

> under control, but would like to have a source of the plant for a tea if I

> needed it.

> --

>

> -- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

> refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

> "LuckyHoodoo" <luckyhoodoo@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:20010727105630.14852.00002587@ng-cg1.aol.com...

> > >Are these mini-thins actually made from Ephedra?  As far as I know,

> ephedrine

> > >is

> > >also made synthetically, which would not be a herbal product.  Is the

> Ephedra

> > >herb itself banned?  Does this include U.S. Ephedra as well as Chinese

> > >Ephedra

> > >(mahuang)?  I never heard of mini-thins.

> >

> > No, they are synthetic Ephedrine HCL.  The herb itself is not banned but

> just

> > taking the herb won't produce the thermogenic results obtained by taking

> the

> > Ephedrine Hcl with Caffiene.  "Mini-Thins" were the name of a product of

> > ephedrine Hcl produced by the company BDI.  Around 95, several states

> starting

> > banning Ephedrine Hcl from sale to the public.  Business found to be

> carrying

> > such items were treated just as if they were dealing crack cocaine.



Marcia: Another instance of the FDA being horrible like they were in the 60's

with my prescription menstrual pain medication.   When I discovered the virtues

of a strong decoction of oregano leaves from the supermarket.



Wakefield continues:

It is a > shame.  The reasons givin for such actions include the fact that

Ephedrine HCL > is the main ingrediant for crystal meth-amphetamine and several

teenage deaths  attributed to overdosing on the drug.  Testomonial wise, I can

tell you that> this is one of the few products that actualy "melt" fat away.  My

first week of> taking ephedrine Hcl I lost 15 lbs.  The funny thing about it is

that thedrug> isn't intended for weight-loss.  The drug is marketed to provide

asthma relief. LuckyH.



Marcia:

Too bad they did not keep it for asthma relief.  I have a friend on steroids and

on the standard inhalants, and if weather and traveling virus conditions and

pollen conditions are "right" she ends up in the hospital for asthma, and they

may be worse.













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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 29 Jul 2001 09:11:06 GMT

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>I haven't found anyone who sells the plant, but Redwood City Seed Company

>in California sells ephedra seed  -  www.ecoseeds.com   I haven't started my

>seeds yet and no planting instructions were included, so be prepared to wing

>it.  The catalog said a packet would contain 20 seeds, but mine contained

>120.  Leaves room for losses.

>Ephedra can be very effective for asthma, but be careful as it can increase

>heart rate and raise blood pressure.  Anyone with heart trouble or high BP

>should NOT use ephedra under any circumstances.  It also should not be used

>prior to strenuous exercise or for extended periods of time.  This is a

>medicine and should be used with the same care as any medicine.

>Marigold



"Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com> wrote in message

news:9jt03a$co9$1@nntpsp2-ld.pvd.loa.net...

>    Myself, I am still looking for a source of the plant (the live plant,

> ephedra sinica) to put in my 'simples' garden. I have asthma which is

mostly

> under control, but would like to have a source of the plant for a tea if I

> needed it.

> --

>

> -- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

> refuses to stay between the lines when parking --



Are these ephedra seeds sold by Redwood City Seed Company in California actually

Ephedra sinica (mahuang), or might they be U.S. ephedra (Mormon tea)?

U.S. ephedra is not nearly so strong as a stimulant or anti-asthmatic, and

wouldn't carry the same misuse hazards as Ephedra sinica.



Other question is how ephedra would take winter and, in particular, whether it

would be compatible with the climate of Maine.  Any other anti-asthmatic plants

that would be better suited to the climate?







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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 04:47:58 -0700

--------

"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net> wrote:





>Are these ephedra seeds sold by Redwood City Seed Company in California actually

>Ephedra sinica (mahuang), or might they be U.S. ephedra (Mormon tea)?



  Their ads should specify.  



>U.S. ephedra is not nearly so strong as a stimulant or anti-asthmatic, and

>wouldn't carry the same misuse hazards as Ephedra sinica.



>Other question is how ephedra would take winter and, in particular, whether it

>would be compatible with the climate of Maine. 



Mormon tea grows in the high plains of Utah ... as cold, but less

damp, as a Maine winter.  

Tsu Dho Nimh



When faced with choice between changing one's mind and proving there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof. 

John Kenneth Galbraith





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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 31 Jul 2001 09:02:32 GMT

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"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net> wrote:



>Are these ephedra seeds sold by Redwood City Seed Company in California actually

>Ephedra sinica (mahuang), or might they be U.S. ephedra (Mormon tea)?



and Tsu Dho Nimh responded:



>  Their ads should specify.



I checked the Web site.  It was Ephedra nevadensis, not what L. Wakefield was

looking for.



Local Cooperative Extension in Maine would probably not be able to advise on

growing Ephedra (nevadensis or sinica) in Maine.







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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 30 Jul 2001 08:36:53 GMT

--------

>   Yes, thanks- I had seen that site. I am after ephedra sinica.

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

>refuses to stay between the lines when parking --



How do you take Ephedra sinica, and how much?  How fast-acting is it, and how

long does the effect last?  I'm trying to compare notes with my experience with

Ephedra sinica between June 1996 and March 1997.



Have you ever used Lobelia inflata?  That might take the Maine climate better

than Ephedra sinica.







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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: "Wakefield" <heretik@loa.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:51:38 -0400

--------

   The only way I have tried it to date is in a prefab 'Breathe easy' mix.

Is it a placebo effect? I don't know. It claims to contain '130mg of ephedra

twig', or less than 3.3mg ephedra alkaloids.

   The PDR Herbal mentions a larger amount than this- 'tea 1-4gms 3 times

daily'. One would assume that to be dry weight.

   My particular asthmatic combo is allergic, exertional, and/or

broncitis-associated; manifesting in cough and/or wheeze. When it's totally

bad I'll resort to the inhalers, steroids, and also singulaire as the

ultimate weapon. But when I am negotiating to avoid resorting to the

steroids, I have found the commercial tea product to be a useful adjunct. I

also like hyysop, thyme, and sage as separate gentle teas.

   As I say, I haven't tried the ephedra herb as an isolated product. If I

run across it I will probably try it. Since it is so powerful, my approach

for myself would probably be to start with a tiny quantity (I might even

weigh out 'twigs' and figure out what volume would be equivalent to 130mg)-

and titrate to effect. I dunno whether I'd notice increased heart rate first

or rather the respiratory effect. I know oral albuterol sure gets me racing

before I notice the resp. effect. As an inhalant I also get the stimulant

effect but since it arrives at the lung tissues before it hits the

circulation, it seems to relieve the wheeze before I get the heart pounding.

You gotta respect whoever came up with the idea of applying the med

diorectly to the site. It's equally an excellent idea with the inhaled

steroids.

   Which reminds me- I had intended to look at the albuterol molecule-

history, sources, structure- and see if there are any natural sources. I

know it's reinventing the wheel- but I'm gonna be 50 in September, and I am

rapidly approaching that geriatric class of folks trying to pay for their

Rx. Right now I have a good job and my meds have a $5 co-pay- but what about

later? Whether or not I have stock in pharmaceutical companies

(and-blush-yes, I do have a bit..some months it is the only thing that shows

a tiny positive trend), I nonetheless as a consumer do not want to be taken

to the cleaners for any un-necessary medical or pharmaceutical expenses.

   One of the docs at work is applying for non-profit status in relation to

his missionary type trips to the Caribbean; so that when he takes med stocks

down there for distribution he can get them at wholesale prices. He said it

was quite an eye-opener what the retail markup is. Thats's NOT- repeat NOT-

the oft-cited cost of R&D, safety testing, yata yata yata that

pharmaceutical companies spout to justify the high cost of meds. Granted

there are such concerns, and justified ones. Safety costs money. But this

specifically- retail markup is another issue entirely. The figures I heard

were in some cases equivalent to highway robbery. I'd love to see

documentation, reporting, and an outcome of reform on this. I guess the

people who have stock in the pharmacies themselves- not the drug companies

but the retailers- might not agree with me.

   Well, that's why I like primary production and primary service rather

than piggybacking along in the market.

   So you were asking about ephedra and soon I'm off into economics. Oh

well.

   BTW, just looked albuterol and ephedrine in the Merck Index. Very similar

chemical structue. It seems albuterol is synthetic, but I am not presently

where I can look up patent details, so I can't tell you what the starting

materials are. They figured out how to synthesize ephedrine in 1920. The

patent for albuterol seems to be 1970.

   Later. Damn, where did the morning go?

--



-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net> wrote in message

news:9k36b4$29073$1@ID-49635.news.dfncis.de...

> >   Yes, thanks- I had seen that site. I am after ephedra sinica.

> --

>

> -- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

> >refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

>

> How do you take Ephedra sinica, and how much?  How fast-acting is it, and

how

> long does the effect last?  I'm trying to compare notes with my experience

with

> Ephedra sinica between June 1996 and March 1997.

>

> Have you ever used Lobelia inflata?  That might take the Maine climate

better

> than Ephedra sinica.

>









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Subject: Re: Ephedra in Texas...

From: luckyhoodoo@aol.com (LuckyHoodoo)

Date: 28 Jul 2001 17:02:23 GMT

--------

>  Myself, I am still looking for a source of the plant (the live plant,

>ephedra sinica) to put in my 'simples' garden. I have asthma which is mostly

>under control, but would like to have a source of the plant for a tea if I

>needed it.

>--



The species of ephedra that grows wild in the U.S. is extremely weak and of

almost no medicinal benefit.  The Chinese species is the one harvested and

purified and made into all manner of herbal energy supplements.  BTW, the U.S.

species was brewed into what was called "Mormon Tea" and was believed to cure

gonoreah and other STD's although this is just folklore and has no medicinal

value.  You can purchase both species from most herbal suppliers.  Do keep in

mind that the amount of Ephedrine in herb form is quite diluted.  You might

need to take extremely large quantities of the herb to equal the benefit of the

pills.  This is all based upon personal tolerance however so do test your own

tolerance to the herb slowly at first.



LuckyH.





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Subject: Garlic for prostate infe

From: George.Lagergren@juge.com (George Lagergren)

Date: 27 Jul 2001 02:34:44 GMT

--------

"rajinder.nijjhar"  wrote:                   27  07-19-01  23:20 

Ra> I had a prostate infection last year and developed fever and lost

Ra> appetite. PSA sored to 69.9 and my Doctor got worried that I am having

Ra> Cancer. 



Ra> Saw a specialist who assured me there is no signs of Cancer but an

Ra> infection.  I was put on antibiotics first on low dose of 500mg a day

Ra> and then to twice a day.  I forgot the pencillin based antibiotic name.

Ra> That reduced my fever and appetite returned.  Felt active again.  I

Ra> play Tennis and am 68.



Ra> My PSA was reduced to 14.4 in three months and then this infection

Ra> keeps on coming up.  I have used Cipro for a month and other

Ra> antibiotics till a fortnight ago.  This pain during watering starts

Ra> creeping up soon after I stop the antibiotics.



Ra> Someone suggested Garlic 4 to 5 cloves with milk before lunch and I

Ra> started to use it a week ago and felt much better.  No, I want to carry

Ra> on using it for a month or more so that this infection disappears for

Ra> ever. 



    Why not take garlic with/after meals?  Are you drinking cow's

    milk?  After I gave drinking cow's milk, I quit having strep

    throats.

 

    Also in addition, maybe taking vitamin C and the amino acid

    L-lysine might help clear the infection???????????



... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message."    19 Jul 01  23:27

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Subject: SEARCHING FOR PLANT SOURCES TO MAINTAIN OR INCREASE COLLAGEN

From: Palme <palme@sympatico.ca>

Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:59:17 -0400

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Hallo!



Would anyone know what are the BEST plant sources (vegetable, fruit,

grains, herbs, etc.) to maintain or increase one's collagen for a female

in early 40's?



I have read about Vitamin C and Swedish wild rose hips.  Which

source of Vitamin C , how much to ingest (by weight) daily and in what

form (juice, whole, oil, etc?)?  Also, how much of wild rose hips should

one ingest daily and in what form (tea, oil, etc.?)?  What other sources

and how

much of them should be taken daily?  I would prefer not to take any

processed form such as capsules if it is not necessary.



Anyone who can help with these questions is much appreciated for their

time and effort.



Titania









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Subject: Re: SEARCHING FOR PLANT SOURCES TO MAINTAIN OR INCREASE COLLAGEN

From: Marcia Grossbard <catsie@mediaone.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 02:39:15 GMT

--------





Palme wrote:



> Hallo!

>

> Would anyone know what are the BEST plant sources (vegetable, fruit,

> grains, herbs, etc.) to maintain or increase one's collagen for a female

> in early 40's?

>



Marcia:

What about glucosamine/chondroitin complex supposedly the equivalency of

eating gristle?  Any comments?

 Palme continues:I have read about Vitamin C and Swedish wild rose hips.

Which



> source of Vitamin C , how much to ingest (by weight) daily and in what

> form (juice, whole, oil, etc?)?  Also, how much of wild rose hips should

> one ingest daily and in what form (tea, oil, etc.?)?  What other sources

> and how

> much of them should be taken daily?  I would prefer not to take any

> processed form such as capsules if it is not necessary.



Marcia:

How much borage, black currant oil, oil of evening primrose, wheat germ oil

could you ingest without encapsulating?



Palme continues:



> Anyone who can help with these questions is much appreciated for their

> time and effort.

>

> Titania







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Subject: Interesting -- goldenseal plants FS on ebay

From: herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle)

Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 21:49:44 GMT

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For those of you in the appropriate climate who like goldenseal, but feel

guilty about buying it due to its endangered status.....



http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1256740470



I was wandering around ebay and decided to take a break from my perfume hunt

and type in 'herb plants' -- not many, but interesting.



         Anya  {{{*_*}}}

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Subject: Freezing Dill

From: mike.sed@btinternet.com (Mike Seddon)

Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 08:09:00 GMT

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Hi,



My dill plants have gone wild and I have too many. Candill ber frozen

without loss of taste etc?



Or, Anyone got any good recipes/uses so I can use it up!



Cheers,



Mike





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Subject: Re: Freezing Dill

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 05:47:50 -0700

--------

mike.sed@btinternet.com (Mike Seddon) wrote:



>Hi,

>

>My dill plants have gone wild and I have too many. Candill ber frozen

>without loss of taste etc?

>

>Or, Anyone got any good recipes/uses so I can use it up!



Well, at the rate of one large sprig per jar, a couple thousand

quarts of pickles might do it.  



To freeze herbs, one method is to make a puree of herbs with

water, freeze into cubes and store cubes in an air-tight

comatiner.  Try it, and check the cubes in a coupleof weeks to

make sure they have a suitable taste.



Dill dries well.  Hang it in a dry place with lotsof air

circulating

Tsu Dho Nimh



"If it were not for their intestinal bacteria, some people 

would have no culture at all."  Koch 





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Subject: nose bleeds

From: brenda@wallace.RemoveThis.net.nz (Brenda W)

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 01:00:21 GMT

--------

whenever my husband gets a cold, he also gets nose bleeds, last up to

8 hours some times.

Our local doctor tells us there is nothing he can do.



has anyone got any wisdom to share on the subject? something to

prevent them, or stop them once they start???









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Subject: Re: nose bleeds

From: "Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 22:30:59 -0400

--------



"Brenda W" wrote in message

> whenever my husband gets a cold, he also gets nose bleeds,

--------------

Hi.

I tend to have thin blood & take a capsule of shepherds purse couple times a

day when I'm having problems with it. (nosebleed, menstrual, minor surgery,

bruises)

However,  I have been eating my leafy greens and taking alfalfa & Vitamen C

etc lately and do not seem to be having those issues anymore.   just like

the book said.



Carolyn











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Subject: Re: nose bleeds

From: "Brhyer" <bryher_m@yahoo.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:51:38 +0100

--------

You can have the tiny blood vessels that are causing the problem cauterised.

My husband had this done and is solved the problem, but it took a specialist

to recognise the particular area which was causing the bleeds.   It was a

very quick and easy procedure with local anaesthetic.

A doctor had a go first time, but got the wrong area and it didn't work.



"Leaves & Roots" <leavesandroots@leavesandroots.com> wrote in message

news:9jvsf3$19f$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...

>

> "Brenda W" wrote in message

> > whenever my husband gets a cold, he also gets nose bleeds,

> --------------

> Hi.

> I tend to have thin blood & take a capsule of shepherds purse couple times

a

> day when I'm having problems with it. (nosebleed, menstrual, minor

surgery,

> bruises)

> However,  I have been eating my leafy greens and taking alfalfa & Vitamen

C

> etc lately and do not seem to be having those issues anymore.   just like

> the book said.

>

> Carolyn

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: nose bleeds

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 04:46:36 -0700

--------

brenda@wallace.RemoveThis.net.nz (Brenda W) wrote:



>whenever my husband gets a cold, he also gets nose bleeds, last up to

>8 hours some times.

>Our local doctor tells us there is nothing he can do.



  Ask doc for a Vitamin "K" prescription. 



  Make sure the hubby isn't taking things that slow clotting

times: aspirin, ginko, ginseng.  Make sure hubby is getting an

adequate diet with enough freash fruits and vitamin C (essential

for capillary wall strength). 



  Do NOT use decongestant sprays.  Don't take anti-cold pills

with decongestants in them: they dry out the mucous membranes and

they crack and bleed. 

  Minimize nose-blowing. 

  Apply a thin layer of vaseline, from a cotton swab, to the

inside of the nose to prevent cracking and bleeding.

  If you live in a dry climate, or for winter colds, use a

humidifier. 



  

  If it persists, see an ENT specialist.  YOur husband might have

nasal polyps, or other fixable problem. 

  

Tsu Dho Nimh



When faced with choice between changing one's mind and proving there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof. 

John Kenneth Galbraith





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Subject: Re: nose bleeds

From: "P4X4QT" <pbishop@iland.net>

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 09:08:45 -0500

--------



"Brenda W" <brenda@wallace.RemoveThis.net.nz> wrote in message

news:3b635fa3.18616833@news.paradise.net.nz...

> whenever my husband gets a cold, he also gets nose bleeds, last up to

> 8 hours some times.

> Our local doctor tells us there is nothing he can do.

>

> has anyone got any wisdom to share on the subject? something to

> prevent them, or stop them once they start???

>

> My son suffered from nose bleeds when he was in his early toddler years,

as did I when I was a kid.  He would get nose bleeds for no reason at all.

To get them to stop, I used a could rag dip in a witch hazel infusion

(chilled) and then added a drop of lavender to the rag.  It would get the

nose bleed to stop, but ultimately to get him from getting them in the first

place, I had to have his vessel cauterized by the doctor.

Pamela









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: grassoil perfume?

From: "dan orange" <danielorange@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 23:28:28 -0400

--------

Had a tiny bottle of perfume about 30 years ago that smelled wonderful and

was called Grass Oil.  Don't know who made it or what it was.  Any ideas

what or where?

Thanks folks.

Dan











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: grassoil perfume?

From: Alice From Hell <alicefromhell@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 04:12:36 GMT

--------

You can try

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/perfumebaycom/jovgrassoil30w.html

Hope this is what you're looking for.



dan orange wrote:



> Had a tiny bottle of perfume about 30 years ago that smelled wonderful and

> was called Grass Oil.  Don't know who made it or what it was.  Any ideas

> what or where?

> Thanks folks.

> Dan



--

"When you make love you're using up energy; and afterwards you feel happy and

don't give a damn for anything. They can't bear you to feel like that. They

want you to be bursting with energy all the time."









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.lucky.w

Subject: Re: grassoil perfume?

From: catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:35:14 GMT

--------

dan orange wrote:

> 

> Had a tiny bottle of perfume about 30 years ago that smelled 

> wonderful and was called Grass Oil.  Don't know who made it or what 

> it was.  Any ideas what or where?

> Thanks folks.

> Dan



Grass Oil, a.k.a. Henry's Grass Oil is a variant of Van Van Oil  -- and

all are common names for a dressing (anointing) oil in the

African-Ameriocan hoodoo tradition. Depending on the maker, the active

fragrance will be lemongrass and/or citronella grass and/or palamarosa

grass and/or gingergrass. The recipe for Grass Oil -- and LOTS more

information about it and other hoodoo "condition" oils,  as well as the

story of its relationship to Chinese Wash (a detergent preparation).--

can be found at this Lucky Mojo archive of usenet posts:



   herbal recipes for magical oils:

      http://www.luckymojo.com/spells.recipes.html



When you get there, scroll down to "V" because Grass Oil and the other

variants are listed under the Van Van name.



Cordially, 



cat yronwode 



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Subject: Herbal ratios for making formulas - website URLs needed

From: "James" <jamesjc@pd.jaring.my>

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 21:09:52 +0800

--------

Hi everyone,



I'm looking for a website that will show you the ratio of herbs for making

formulas; i.e. 3 parts of one herb, and 2 parts of another herb etc. Any

help would be much appreciated :)





Sincerely,

James

Hi everyone,



I'm looking for a website that will show you the ratio of herbs for making

formulas; i.e. 3 parts of one herb, and 2 parts of another herb etc. Any

help would be much appreciated :)





Sincerely,

James











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal ratios for making formulas - website URLs needed

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: 31 Jul 2001 09:02:30 GMT

--------

>I'm looking for a website that will show you the ratio of herbs for making

>formulas; i.e. 3 parts of one herb, and 2 parts of another herb etc. Any

>help would be much appreciated :)



>Sincerely,

>James



Ratio of herbs, if measured by volume, is subject to inaccuracy, depending on

how the herb is cut, or pressed with the hand in the measuring spoon or

container.  Ephedra with the stems (U.S. or Chinese) is difficult to measure

accurately by volume.  Most people don't have scales suitable for measuring

small weights like a tablespoon of mint.



Another consideration is that there is no universal standard for herbal

formulas, though individual herbalists may have their recipes.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Anti-fungal mouthwash?

From: "Jen in NY" <peace_4_you*remove*@yahoo.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 17:21:08 -0400

--------

Can anyone recommend an anti-fungal mouthwash or an herb tea perhaps that

would work?



Thanks,

Jen









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-fungal mouthwash?

From: Linda N <linda_n@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 21:44:56 GMT

--------

On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 17:21:08 -0400, "Jen in NY"

<peace_4_you*remove*@yahoo.com> wrote:



>Can anyone recommend an anti-fungal mouthwash or an herb tea perhaps that

>would work?



A solution of Myrrh (I believe that healthfood stores contain

mouthwashes with myrrh extracts in them) or a myrrh tincture or

extract mixed into water, or also just plain 3% Hydrogen peroxide used

as a mouthwash.



A myrrh containing toothpaste might also work as well. Myrrh gum resin

can be made into a infusion but the resin only dissolves in water with

difficulty.



A Pau Darco decoction is anti-fungal but I never found it that

effective as a mouthwash.



Linda N



Linda

Linda

>

>Thanks,

>Jen

>







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Vitex (angus-cactus)

From: "Dave Creech" <dtcreech@advnet.net>

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:46:50 -0700

--------

I have Polycystic Ovarian Syndrom (PCOS) and have been taking Vitex to

regulate my cycles, as well as control some of the other symptoms of this.

My question is this;



I am going to start taking Clomid (a fertility drug) and have heard that the

Vitex will cancel out the clomid, so I should not take them both at the same

time.  How long before taking the Clomid should I stop taking the vitex?



I take 2 500mg capsules 1 in am, 1 in evening.



Does anyone know the answer to this?



Thank you!



~Tammy









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Polymyalgia Rheumatica

From: dmwellsis@home.com (David Wells)

Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:10:26 GMT

--------

Any one know of a good remedy to relieve the soreness.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Marijuana

From: aeglemarmelosaka@aol.com (AegleMarmelosAKA)

Date: 30 Jul 2001 17:26:37 GMT

--------



Marijuana to treat excruciating painful Crohn's disease, Shingles

(post-herpetic-neuralgia) and Glaucoma should be legalized.



Research and experiments should be carried out to treat Crohn's disease,

Shingles and Glaucoma with marijuana.



Please send this news item to as many concerned organizations, medical research

facilities etc.



 Pulp of ripe Aegle Marmelos tropical fruit aka Vilvam or  Bilva grown in India

is good to control chronic diarrhoea and chrons disease but unfortunately not

available in large commercial quantities. Pharmaceutical companies should

analyse the pulp of this fruit and manufacture a synthetic version of it.

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Canada has become the first country in the world to legalise the use of

marijuana by people suffering from terminal illnesses and chronic conditions.

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medical purposes, or appoint someone to grow it for them. Who can use

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Terminally ill patients

Aids sufferers

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The system is the first in the world where the government will be directly

involved in the production and supply of the drug for medical purposes. The

government has awarded a $3.5m (1.6m) contract to a company to farm marjiuana

in a disused copper mine. The first harvest is expected later this year.

Patients' groups have largely welcomed the legislation, which follows a year of

permits being handed out on a case-by-case basis to terminally ill people.

Wider range Under the new terms, those suffering from some chronic conditions -

including epilepsy and degenerative muscle and bone illnesses - will also be

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reported that a national survey of Canadians found that almost half were in

favour of the legalisation of marijuana. Consent Would-be medical users must

have a prognosis of death within one year or symptoms associated with specific

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forms. The Canadian Medical Association opposes the new law, saying that there

has not been enough scientific research for doctors properly prescribe dosage.

They also say the effects of marijuana combined with patients' more traditional

medicines are unknown, and warn that many people may ignore the rules

altogether. The Marijuana Party of Canada - a political party dedicated to

legalising the drug - says that if the country took the path of the Netherlands

and decriminalised marijuana, then there would be no need for the complex

legislation. 'A reasonable system' However, across the border in the United

States, advocates of the use of marijuana for medical purposes have welcomed

the new system. "We're kind of envious of Canadians having the luxury of

complaining about the minutiae of the program," said Chuck Thomas from the

Washington-based Marijuana Policy Project. "It looks like a reasonable system,

" he added. Eight US states have taken steps towards legalising the medical use

of marijuana. However, the Supreme Court in Washington ruled earlier this year

that federal law would not recognise state medical exemptions, leaving people

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and Glaucoma.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Marijuana

From: "Steven Grace" <steven@grace74.freeserve.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:34:12 +0100

--------



"AegleMarmelosAKA" <aeglemarmelosaka@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20010730132637.18765.00000961@mb-mv.aol.com...

>

> Marijuana to treat excruciating painful Crohn's disease, Shingles

> (post-herpetic-neuralgia) and Glaucoma should be legalized.



What makes you believe that Marijuana can help with the pain of Crohns

Disease? As a sufferer since pre-teen days ( I am now 38) I have never heard

of Marijuana being used to alleviate the pain or symptoms of the disease. I

know there is a current campaign to legalise the drug for MS but have never

heard of it being associated with Crohns.



Steve









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: seek remedy wart

From: roseann1120@yahoo.com (roseann)

Date: 30 Jul 2001 11:23:47 -0700

--------

I have small wart on my finger. Seek remedy to banish. Thanks.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: seek remedy wart

From: luckyhoodoo@aol.com (LuckyHoodoo)

Date: 30 Jul 2001 19:30:28 GMT

--------

>I have small wart on my finger. Seek remedy to banish. Thanks.

>



Salacylic Acid under a variety of brand names sold at your local grocery store.



LuckyH.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: seek remedy wart

From: "Brhyer" <bryher_m@yahoo.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:37:46 +0100

--------

Tea tree essential oil (have tried that; it works).  Other essential oils

are also anti-viral.



Also, apparently, dandelion...the juice from a broken leaf stem can be

applied  and allowed to

dry; used for 3 days or so it should dry up the warts.



"LuckyHoodoo" <luckyhoodoo@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20010730153028.28932.00003355@ng-ch1.aol.com...

> >I have small wart on my finger. Seek remedy to banish. Thanks.

> >

>

> Salacylic Acid under a variety of brand names sold at your local grocery

store.

>

> LuckyH.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: seek remedy wart

From: Foxfire <foxfire@piglet.ASARian.org>

Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 06:50:13 -0400 (EDT)

--------

For those into the do-it-yourself spirit that I love about A.F.H. ... :) 



A pharmacist told me that you didn't actually have to buy salicylic acid

creme if you are short of bucks. He was of the opinion that a crushed

aspirin paste would get the job done.  Of course, the powder may flake off

quicker without the creme base.



Sean

---



Brhyer <bryher_m@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

news:IBj97.10796$ip4.3110906@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...

> Tea tree essential oil (have tried that; it works).  Other essential

> oils are also anti-viral.

> 

> Also, apparently, dandelion...the juice from a broken leaf stem can be

> applied  and allowed to

> dry; used for 3 days or so it should dry up the warts.

> 

> "LuckyHoodoo" <luckyhoodoo@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:20010730153028.28932.00003355@ng-ch1.aol.com...

> > >I have small wart on my finger. Seek remedy to banish. Thanks.

> >

> > Salacylic Acid under a variety of brand names sold at your local

> > grocery store.

> >

> > LuckyH.











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: seek remedy wart

From: Julia Maddocks <julia.maddocks@zoom.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:50:59 +0100

--------

Best remedy I know is Thuja tinture (not homeoathic mother tincture

tho), apply 3*a day until the wart goes



Julia



roseann wrote:



> I have small wart on my finger. Seek remedy to banish. Thanks.













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Brahmi

From: "Maria Kluga" <goonies@alphalink.com.au>

Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 04:53:09 +1000

--------

I am looking for some information on Brahmi, a Hindi herb, which is believed

to be useful in the treatment of dyslexia.  Any ideas, experience with this

herb, would like to hear from you.



TIA

Maria









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Echinacea Tinctures?

From: fang27@excite.com (fang)

Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:24:26 GMT

--------



I was recently reading on the net at:



http://www.egregore.com/herbs/echinacea.html#Names



They say that alcohol, even small amounts, destroys some of the

properties of Echinacea (the properties you would want it for).  This

was how I was going to make a tincture - are there any other ideas for

how to make a tincture?  Or is this bad information?



For those not able to get to the web site, here is a quote (after a

long article about echinacea):



"Warning



                   Alcohol tincture may destroy polysaccharides in

Echinacea that stimulate the immune system, although other active

ingredients remain intact and active. Most tinctures are 20% alcohol

in order to preserve the herb, but even 10% ruins the Echinacea. The

freeze-dried form is much preferred. 



                   Some active ingredients in this herb can be

destroyed during processing; freeze drying is the most effective way

to preserve the herb's healing properties. A fully potent product will

create a tingling sensation on the tongue. Important compounds are

missed if this sensation is not present."



Thanks,



-Mike

fang27@excite.com



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea Tinctures?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:32:49 +0300

--------

fang27@excite.com (fang) wrote:



>I was recently reading on the net at:

>

>http://www.egregore.com/herbs/echinacea.html#Names

>

>They say that alcohol, even small amounts, destroys some of the

>properties of Echinacea (the properties you would want it for).  This

>was how I was going to make a tincture - are there any other ideas for

>how to make a tincture?  Or is this bad information?



Ech tinctures have been used for decades, and that they do stimulate the immune

system. That means that the assumptions behind that statement are questionable.



Garbage in, garbage out. Faulty (or incomplete) theories in, faulty conclusions

out.



Cheers

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: atrophied neck muscles, aspiration

From: "The Village Herbalist" <villherb@concentric.net>

Date: 30 Jul 2001 23:01:31 GMT

--------

man presents with atrophied neck muscles, any help would be appreciated.  He

had cancer 6 years ago and did have some surgery on his neck.  He started

choking on foods about 3 years ago and it has gotten some worse over the

years.  However, he had a traumatic accident this January and has had a

feeding tube installed and now is unable to swallow foods for fear of

aspiration.  It seems the neck muscles are unable to move to open and close

the "flap" to the lungs, he wants to be able to swallow to get off the

feeding tube.  Any ideas out there?









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: atrophied neck muscles, aspiration

From: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:35:10 -0700

--------

"The Village Herbalist" <villherb@concentric.net> wrote:



>man presents with atrophied neck muscles, any help would be appreciated.  He

>had cancer 6 years ago and did have some surgery on his neck.  He started

>choking on foods about 3 years ago and it has gotten some worse over the

>years.  However, he had a traumatic accident this January and has had a

>feeding tube installed and now is unable to swallow foods for fear of

>aspiration.  



If the muscles are OK, but it's the fear causing the paralysis,

hypnosis would be the fast way out.  





Tsu Dho Nimh



When faced with choice between changing one's mind and proving there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof. 

John Kenneth Galbraith





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gingko Question

From: phh_jr1@msn.com (Peter H)

Date: 30 Jul 2001 21:14:16 -0700

--------

For those of you who have used Gingko and have gotten positive

results, how long did it take before you really started to notice the

effects? I have been taking Gingko for a few weeks and although it may

be helping me somewhat, I really haven't noticed much of a difference.



Peter





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea Tinctures & alcohol amounts. (was Re: Echinacea Tinctures)

From: fang27@excite.com (fang)

Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:56:00 GMT

--------

On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:32:49 +0300, Henriette Kress

<hetta@saunalahti.fi> wrote:



>fang27@excite.com (fang) wrote:

>

>>I was recently reading on the net at:

>>

>>http://www.egregore.com/herbs/echinacea.html#Names

>>

>>They say that alcohol, even small amounts, destroys some of the

>>properties of Echinacea (the properties you would want it for).  This

>>was how I was going to make a tincture - are there any other ideas for

>>how to make a tincture?  Or is this bad information?

>

>Ech tinctures have been used for decades, and that they do stimulate the immune

>system. That means that the assumptions behind that statement are questionable.

>

>Garbage in, garbage out. Faulty (or incomplete) theories in, faulty conclusions

>out.



I kind of thought so myself, as I have seen many books, magazines, and

other internet sites remark that alcohol was the way to go for the

tinctures.



Interestingly enough, I have a tincture (of Ech) I picked up that has

no alcohol - the first I've ever seen that.  Got it about 6 months ago

in Amish Country  (Lancaster, PA).



Is there an amount of alcohol % that works best?  A previous post said

they used 55%.  Commercial tinctures I've seen usually have 25% - 35%.

I have a bottle of 80 proof vodka to use - should I switch to grain

alcohol and distilled water?



Thanks again! :-)



-Mike





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re: fleas

From: luckyhoodoo@aol.com (LuckyHoodoo)

Date: 31 Jul 2001 15:10:34 GMT

--------

Also I have heard that to get rid of fleas in ones home; take a "horse-apple"

(a big green, "brain" looking fruit which oozes a white frothy, stinky liquid) 

and poke holes in it with a knife, needle or what not.  The liquid will

immediately begin to ooze out.  Place this on top of some newspaper on the

ground.  The smelly fruit is said to contain a chemical that fleas detest and

should drive them from one's house.  (You may have to use several depending on

how bad the infestation.)



LuckyH.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: sleeping and addiction

From: "Keith Blackketter" <houstonwitchy@texquest.net>

Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:06:35 -0500

--------

I have a question I ruptured two discs in my back about 9 months ago while

working since that time I have been taking Vicodin, ( was supposed to be 4

times a day, but I got it to where I was only taking it at night before I

went to bed, ) now then I have had a procedure done on my back to correct

the problem and want to get off the vicodin, I have tried every herb that I

know of; Hyssop, Valerian root, chamomile, Oats, kava kava, All of these

make me drowsy, which is a good thing, but when I lie down I am not able to

get to sleep do to tossing and turning, basically cant get the edge off.



Any help would be appreciated, I just need something that will make me relax

and not be so edgy if that makes sense



Blessed be



--

In Her Service )o(



Keith







