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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure

From: cadfile@juno.com

Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:53:29 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Stan Mills <cadfile@juno.com> :



My regimen is CoQ10, Hawthorn to stabilize the blood pressure and

strengthen the heart, Butchers Broom to increase the blood flow in the

extremities, Cayenne to promote general circulation, Blueberry to rebuild

the blood vessels, and Gugual lipid to lower cholesterol and

triglyceride. 

You would also need to lower your weight a bunch.

Hope this helps.



Stan

"Cadfile"

cadfile@juno.com



On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 17:57:34 EDT Melesana@aol.com writes:

I'd like to stay in control of my congestive heart failure  without

involvement of the medical industry.  What herbs etc are you  aware of 

that will help?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure

From: "Linda Shipley" <clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 23:12:04 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Linda Shipley <clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com> :



I am really interested in the line of heart herbs. Thank you for posting 

this. I am curious. Did you think up these herbs yourself or did you visit 

an ND or herbalist? I was trying to figure out something for my father in 

law who recently had 4 bypass surgery and 2 stints. There are no herbalists 

or ND's in this town. I am studying for ND but not much experience with 

this. Thanks.

Linda S.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure

From: "Linda Shipley" <clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 23:12:54 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Linda Shipley <clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com> :



I think you mean bilberry instead of blueberry?

Linda



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 01:11:37 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by Meg <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 5/1/01 9:29:09 PM Mountain Daylight Time, cadfile@juno.com 

writes:



> Hope this helps.



It helps tremendously, Stan!  Many thanks.  You've got me thinking again <g> 

- I was leaning toward dropping bilberry in favor of gingko, and now here you 

are using blueberry....  I'm going to write to you backchannel to compare 

notes on details that I think may go beyond general interest here, but others 

may be interested also in whether you're also doing pharmaceuticals.  I'd 

prefer not to, but so far natural diuretics haven't helped as much as I 

thought.



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure

From: "LJS Doody" <ldoody@internetcds.com>

Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:37:00 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by LJS Doody <ldoody@internetcds.com> :



convallaria majalis [lily of the valley] is the favourite of european herbal

medicine for congestive heart failure, ten times stronger than digoxin

apparently...



Lizzie



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:06:51 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by marcia v grossbard <ngbard@juno.com> :



> Sent to the herblist by Linda Shipley <clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com> > 

> I think you mean bilberry instead of blueberry?

> Linda



They are both related plants with similar properties, but bilberry might

be more supportive.

Marcia



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net>

Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:44:48 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net> :



Garlic- will help relax the blood vessels as well,it has to do with 

nitric oxide  amoung other things. Go for a diet full of anti-oxidant 

food not just hawthorn but all those dark fruits/berries like dark 

cherries, blue berries, raspberries, blackberries, figs.Put the onion 

and garlic peels in your soups.These things are not just anti-oxidant 

but also contain a good many things that help connective tissue 

grow/be flexible/maintain integrity.You will also need stuff that is 

high in folate and b vitamis. Which means leafy greens, help your 

liver out a bit I have a preference for dandelion both root and leaf 

this is also a bit diuretic but high in potassium can be up to 25% 

its weight in potassium and a bit of choline, manitol.... Another 

reason to eat dark greens are the minerals like calcium and 

magnesium. If you are going for the split amino acids then although 

not herbal you might consider taking high doses of B vitamins like up 

to 5 mg of folate a day if you are having a hyperhomocystinemia 

problem.

As far as diet try to eat cold water ocean fish atleast 2x/week, 

Clean oils no more hydrogenated, or rancid oil( this is probably the 

ultimate challange because everything is made with it now) Flax seed 

oil or better yet flax seeds added to your diet, or evening primrose 

oil,if you live in the right area you can eat evening primrose as a 

green. get in the habit of eating breakfast, but not sweet cereal or 

a doughnut, go for the protein in the AM. Seaweed get it on to your 

table as a condiment instead of sodium chloride, seems that quite a 

few folks are having trouble with the chloride but can handle /use 

the sodium. Celery is good, a bit diuretic.celery oil is very stong 

and only takes a few drops to bring down blood pressure. There are 

several herbs that can bring down blood pressure specifically 

motherwort, viburnum op and prunifolium, chamomile, passion flower, 

black cohosh, valerian, yarrow (for diastolic), linden flower,garlic. 

there are a few stronger herbs some of which I have never used like 

foxglove, and lily of the valley or mistletoe which I have used but 

is very strong and needs to be used sparingly. Learn medical 

meditation,   Identify plants in your neighborhood, by taking 

non-stress walks. Hopefully you do not smoke, if you do quit. Say 

good-by to caffeine and chocolate yep even the green tea- get your 

anti-oxidants elsewhere.

Sharon in Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:00:28 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by Meg <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 5/2/01 8:35:58 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 

ldoody@internetcds.com writes:



> convallaria majalis [lily of the valley] is the favourite of european herbal

>  medicine for congestive heart failure, ten times stronger than digoxin

>  apparently...

>  



Thank you, Lizzie.  I haven't seen this herb mentioned much, but what I have 

seen is strongly favorable.  Do you know what part(s) of the plant is 

commonly used?  My informations says roots.



Apparently lily of the valley is similar in effect to terminalia arjuna.  Uh, 

and digoxin <g> - they slow and strengthen heartbeat.



Do you (anyone) know where I might get hold of it in therapeutic amounts?  



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:23:23 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by Meg <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 5/2/01 9:01:50 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 

mwherbs@dshome.net writes:



>  Say 

>  good-by to caffeine and chocolate yep even the green tea- get your 

>  anti-oxidants elsewhere.



This part is going to be as difficult as getting clean oils!  Many thanks, 

Sharon, your recommendations are printed out for reference.  Glad to know 

that celery is diuretic.



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:37:19 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by marcia v grossbard <ngbard@juno.com> :



> Sent to the herblist by LJS Doody <ldoody@internetcds.com> :

> 

> convallaria majalis [lily of the valley] is the favourite of 

> european herbal > medicine for congestive heart failure, ten times

stronger than digoxin apparently...> Lizzie



Is it herbal or homeopathic?  

IMHO, preparation of this  should be done by a trained naturopath or

under the supervision of someone with similar knowledge, as this plant is

toxic.

Marcia

--->



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure

From: "LJS Doody" <ldoody@internetcds.com>

Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:57:21 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by LJS Doody <ldoody@internetcds.com> :



yes, i agree Marcia, in the u.k it is restricted [by the 1968 medicines act]

and can only be prescribed by a medical herbalist [or a g.p.], perhaps i was

silly to assume that someone with congestive heart failure would be doing

this through a practitioner... i am a firm believer in the adage that goes:



'the self prescriber has a fool for a patient and an idiot for a

practitioner' :)



in europe it is available in standardised preparations, i dont know about

the u.s.

the good thing about convallaria is it doesnt have an accumulative action.



meg - as far as i have ever been taught the leaves are used and the time to

pick is just prior to flowering when the cardioactive glycoside content is

at its highest. the flowers and leaves are used together too.



yes, it does 'strengthen the heart beat' by increasing the inflow of calcium

ions to the cardiac muscle it allows the heart muscle to contract more

strongly. it also reduces the heart rate while increasing the force of

contraction, this means that for every unit of oxygen used the cardiac

output is more efficient. it does not act upon the conductive system of the

heart.



meg, if you would like to contact me off list i will give you a list of

references to look up, i'm not sure i should clog up the list with it!



this is a great thread !!!



Lizzie



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:41:34 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by Meg <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 5/2/01 12:08:16 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 

ldoody@internetcds.com writes:



> meg, if you would like to contact me off list i will give you a list of

>  references to look up, 



Done, Lizzie, and many thanks for your offer.  Looking forward  to more 

references - I was a librarian in a previous life, like until about 20 years 

ago.  :)



What a wonderful explanation of lily of the valley's action on the heart.  If 

I have to have CHF, this is a terrific list to have it with!



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: R: congestive heart failure

From: "marco valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:14:23 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it> :



------> convallaria majalis [lily of the valley] is the favourite of

european herbal

>  medicine for congestive heart failure, ten times stronger than digoxin

>  apparently...

>

----Thank you, Lizzie.  I haven't seen this herb mentioned much, but what I

have

seen is strongly favorable.  Do you know what part(s) of the plant is

commonly used?  My informations says roots.---



Lily of the valley is no herb to be used lightly, and definetly not by a non

professional.  Althought it is def less toxic than Digitalis it still is

strong enough to cause problems, and patients should be monitored closely.

It is not 10 times stronger than digoxin, if it were it would definetly

cause problems!  The two entities are not easily comparable, digoxin being

an isolated compound and Convallaria being a plant; Convallaria presents

with a better toxicological profile and a better therapeutic index than

Digitalis and related compounds.

Still, why not use Crataegus spp.  It presents no problems of toxicity and

it is a specific for congestive heart failure; perhaps, if a positive

inotropic action is desired (stronger cardiac muscle action) alongside the

Crataegus, a better remedy would be Cactus (but I have less experience with

that plant than with Convallaria)

Cheers



marco



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: R: congestive heart failure

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:36:44 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by Meg <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 5/3/01 12:47:04 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 

marcobabi@libero.it writes:



> Still, why not use Crataegus spp.  It presents no problems of toxicity and

>  it is a specific for congestive heart failure; perhaps, if a positive

>  inotropic action is desired (stronger cardiac muscle action) alongside the

>  Crataegus, a better remedy would be Cactus



Thanks, Marcus.  I wasn't aware that crataegus (hawthorne) was a specific for 

congestive heart failure.  I know of it as "cardio tonic", and I've just 

started using it.  I'm looking for stronger cardiac muscle action also.  I 

know absolutely nothing about cactus for that purpose, so I'm off to do some 

research.  Can you give a brief description?



So far the non-pharma specifics I've become aware of are terminalia arjuna 

(Ayurvedic), convallaria majalis and crataegus.  Looks to me like the least 

potentially dangerous is crataegus, next is t. arjuna, next is convallaria, 

next is stuff I don't want to mess with like foxglove.



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: R: congestive heart failure

From: "Scott Carlton" <carlton@mcn.net>

Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 07:56:34 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Scott Carlton <carlton@mcn.net> :



-Subject: Re: R: congestive heart failure



Sent to the herblist by Meg <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 5/3/01 12:47:04 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

marcobabi@libero.it writes:



> Still, why not use Crataegus spp.  It presents no problems of toxicity

and



Universal assumptions of no toxicity can bite back....



I'd love to use hawthorn, but since it has a digitalis/digoxin like action,

it is  a bad thing for me as it aggravates a congenital cardiac arrythmia

due to increasing the cardiac dynamics and triggering the arrythmia.  My

condition is Wolff-Parkinson-White Syndrome. Other types of arrythmias will

respond differently depending on the underlying problem.

>  it is a specific for congestive heart failure; perhaps, if a positive

>  inotropic action is desired (stronger cardiac muscle action) alongside

the

>  Crataegus, a better remedy would be Cactus



Thanks, Marcus.  I wasn't aware that crataegus (hawthorne) was a specific

for

congestive heart failure.  I know of it as "cardio tonic", and I've just

started using it.  I'm looking for stronger cardiac muscle action also.  I

know absolutely nothing about cactus for that purpose, so I'm off to do some

research.  Can you give a brief description?



So far the non-pharma specifics I've become aware of are terminalia arjuna

(Ayurvedic),



Choice of herbal regimen depends on the underlying cause of the congestive

heart failure.  Usually one looks toward kapha balancing herbs and diet

which reduce excess water (kidney and lung), decreases earth (clogged

vessels and tissues), decreases fat tissue, and increases circulation and

digestive efficiency in all tissues.



convallaria majalis and crataegus.  Looks to me like the least

potentially dangerous is crataegus, next is t. arjuna, next is convallaria,

next is stuff I don't want to mess with like foxglove.



Foxglove is the source of digitalis.  Look toward a combination rather than

a single herb.



Best regards,

Aliceann



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: R: R: congestive heart failure

From: "marco valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:56:42 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it> :



Aliceanne wrote:



<<I'd love to use hawthorn, but since it has a digitalis/digoxin like

action,>>

What exactely do you mean?  The only activity Crataegus and

Digitalis/digoxin/cardiac glycosides have in common is being positive

inotropic (increasing the strength and speed of contraction of cardiac

muscle, thereby increasing overall performance), and even for this they are

of different magnitude and character, Crataegus being less active but more

economical for the heart muscle.  Crataegus does not exert all the other

typical digitalis-like actions.  Let's see them in detail:

1.    Bathmotropic action (excitability of heart muscle): increased by

digitalis and reduced by Crataegus

2.    Refractory period: reduced by digitalis and augmented by Crataegus

3.    Chronotropic action (heart frequency): decreased by digitalis, no

action or slightly decreased by Crataegus

4.    Dromotropic action (intracardiac conduction speed): decreased by

digitalis and increased by Crataegus

5.  Crataegus prolonged the action potential duration



In particular the increase of the refractory period and the action on the

action potential are good indicators for an antiarrhythmic action,

demonstrated in in vivo studies as well.  The main indications for the

remedy are congestive heart failure, cardiac insufficiency (NYHA I and II)

and arrhythmia.

The supposed mechanism of action is phosphodiesterase inhibiton-like,

raising cAMP levels in cardiac muscle cells.



<<it is  a bad thing for me as it aggravates a congenital cardiac arrythmia

due to increasing the cardiac dynamics and triggering the arrythmia.  My

condition is Wolff-Parkinson-White Syndrome. Other types of arrythmias will

respond differently depending on the underlying problem.>>



Obviously this is no easy condition, and in at least one of my patient

surgery was needed as a last resort, but I do not think we can say that

Crataegus IS contraindicated.  Much depends on individual cases, and on the

risk associated to longer or shorter antegrade refractory periods in the

accessory pathway.  In every case a detailed assessment is needed before

choosing the drug of choiche, and none of the orthodox antiarrhythmic drugs

is without risk.



cheers

marco



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: congestive heart failure/celery

From: "c. watson" <clawso@swbell.net>

Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:00:29 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by c. watson <clawso@swbell.net> :



Read something rather hideous about celery a year or so ago and have

eliminated it from my diet.



Can't recall the specifics of the study but a quick search came up with the

following:



Celery: caffeic acid, furan derivatives, psoralens



Any opinions?



By the by, this is turning into one of the better threads of all times.



c.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure/celery

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 13:07:44 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by Meg <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 5/2/01 10:01:54 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 

clawso@swbell.net writes:



> the specifics of the study



I wonder why a study would be done to find something hideous about celery.  

Do you suppose it might be something like the current pharma-sponsored 

studies of St. John's Wort or red yeast rice extract?  Hmm, so what's celery 

so useful for that we'd better be made afraid of it?



If it's actually going to help me control some aspects of my congestive heart 

failure, and since I've been eating it all my life anyway, I'll deal with any 

collateral damage I experience.  I do understand your choice to avoid it, 

though, c.



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure/celery

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:39:22 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by marcia v grossbard <ngbard@juno.com> :



On Wed, 02 May 2001 11:00:29 -0500 "c. watson" <clawso@swbell.net>

writes:

> Sent to the herblist by c. watson <clawso@swbell.net> :

> 

> Read something rather hideous about celery a year or so ago and have

> eliminated it from my diet.

> 

When I had high BP food restrictions and dietary guidelines, celery was

on the no list along with salty snack foods and lunch meats, but there

was no explanation.  If it lowers BP without medication, perhaps it helps

increase potassium or is it because the sodium levels are high?  I never

read anything hideous about it.



> Can't recall the specifics of the study but a quick search came up 

> with the  following:> 

> Celery: caffeic acid, furan derivatives, psoralens



What are these things suspect of, and how much of these suspects are in

that little crunch of celery?

Celery used to be known as a 2% (carbohydrate) vegetable for dieting with

lots of fiber and water.



  Remember parsley, another popular food item, pulls either arsenic or

lead salts up from the soil in which it is present.  Which means, don't

do a daily "pig-out" with parsley, but use it as a garnish, flavoring or

add-on to other foods.  But then very very small percentages of toxins

may be protective of something, like Rasputin's activities, however, no

one would recommend them...

> 

Marcia



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: mental health website

From: rja86@webtv.net (Renee and Jerry)

Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:08:44 -0700 (PDT)

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Sent to the herblist by Renee <rja86@webtv.net> :



http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/default.htm



This website has alternative treatments for depression, schizophrenia,

etc.  It would be nice for people depending on prescription meds. to be

able to cut down doses IF POSSIBLE,  using these treatments.  I hope it

helps someone.



Happy Springtime!!



Love,  

Rene and Jerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: herbs for MRSA???

From: Amber Kelley <amberbarbaraherb@yahoo.com>

Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:38:47 -0700 (PDT)

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Sent to the herblist by Amber Kelley <amberbarbaraherb@yahoo.com> :



Howdy Y'all from TX,



Happy belated Mayday.



I would love to hear any information folks have to

share about treating MRSA with herbs.  I just found

out one of the reasons my mom is not healing from her

radiation induced kidney damage (administered in colon

cancer therapy) is because my 60 year old mom has two

infections that are resistant to antibiotics or

difficult to treat with antibiotics.  



The doctors are saying that MRSA infection and candida

infections are inhibitting my mother's recovery.  I

have already told my mom I would give her Pau D'arco

for the candida if she would let me.  But I do not

know what to do with this MRSA.  My mom says the

doctors told her there are no antibiotics capable of

treating MRSA, and MRSA are the initials of the actual

syndrome, which is new to society.



She has been in the hospital with this for almost 8

months now.  We almost lost her this weekend. Phew! 

The doctors have managed to stabilize my mom again.



Time to do some internet searches!



Thanks,



Barbara



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: herbs for MRSA???

From: "Steve & Christine Wilson" <scwilson@bigpond.net.au>

Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:39:14 +1000

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Sent to the herblist by Christine <scwilson@bigpond.net.au> :



Hi Barbara ,



There was a discussion on the radio here today about a pharmacist who has

actually produces a product made mainly form Eucalypt and from tee tree, I

will try to get more info on this and post it when I know .



Chris



> I would love to hear any information folks have to

> share about treating MRSA with herbs.  I just found

> out one of the reasons my mom is not healing from her

> radiation induced kidney damage (administered in colon

> cancer therapy) is because my 60 year old mom has two

> infections that are resistant to antibiotics or

> difficult to treat with antibiotics.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: herbs for MRSA???

From: "Steve & Christine Wilson" <scwilson@bigpond.net.au>

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:53:40 +1000

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Sent to the herblist by Christine <scwilson@bigpond.net.au> :



This is the transcript from the radio interview re MRSA Tx with Euc and Tee

tree



http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/s293242.htm



Regards chris



>

> There was a discussion on the radio here today about a pharmacist who has

> actually produces a product made mainly form Eucalypt and from tee tree, I

> will try to get more info on this and post it when I know .

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: St. John's wort - drug interactions

From: "Sharon  Herr, RD" <sherr@NYCAP.rr.com>

Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:45:22 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Herr, RD <sherr@NYCAP.rr.com> :



St. John's wort - drug interactions were recently discussed on the list.  I

thought some might be interested in the following I recently posted on my

website.



St. John's Wort - Drug Interactions

HTML  http://www.onlinerd.com/herb/page9.html

PDF  ftp.onlinerd.com/updates/SJWdrugs.pdf



St. John's Wort - Drug Interactions References

HTML  http://www.onlinerd.com/herb/page10.html

PDF  ftp.onlinerd.com/updates/SJWreferences.pdf



St. John's Wort - Drug Interactions Research Summary

HTML  http://www.onlinerd.com/herb/page13.html

PDF  ftp.onlinerd.com/updates/SJWresearch.pdf



Sharon



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: St. John's wort - drug interactions

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 01:22:49 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by herbgrow30@aol.com :



In a message dated 5/2/01 9:43:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

sherr@NYCAP.rr.com writes:



<< St. John's wort - drug interactions were recently discussed on the list.  I

 thought some might be interested in the following I recently posted on my

 website.

  >>



Hi Sharon -



This is not directed at you personally...but did you all ever think about it 

being the problem of an allo-med reacting with an herb; rather than the herb 

being the culprit.



So many allo-meds have these terrible reactions and we just don't read them 

about herbs.....



So let's blame the allo-meds and help the herbs gain the respect they need.



Warmly -

Mary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: St. John's wort - drug interactions

From: "Sharon  Herr, RD" <sherr@NYCAP.rr.com>

Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:03:28 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Herr, RD <sherr@NYCAP.rr.com> :



Hi Mary,



I don't feel I can say who the culprit is because it is based on an

individual's belief system.  There are certainly more injuries from drugs.

I feel it is my mission to educate, support and embrace people in healing by

what works for them.  Having faith in choices made is by far the strongest

healer.  My personal philosophy is to take the gentlest route toward healing

first (except in acute cases, such as heart attack).  The first intervention

I would choose is meditation/visualization to stimulate self healing.  The

second would be herbs/supplements.  Instead of blaming I'd prefer to support

choices.  If I were in a car accident and injured my brain I would want the

drug that prevents me from dying.  For arthritis pain I support

meditation/visualization.



I joined the list because I am open to different perspectives.  I honor the

earth and am in awe of it's beautiful creations, which includes herbs.  I

feel that most people have lost their connection with the earth.  Very sad.

I also respect drugs.  I have seen many people who would not be alive

without heroic intervention.  It is very humbling to see a person on the

edge of life/death.



My handbook was written for conventional medicine personnel, so the material

is presented in a way that is understandable for that market.  The aim is to

prevent an occurrence of an interaction.  There is as much misinformation as

there is accurate information about herbs in mainstream literature.



Sharon



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: St. John's wort - drug interactions

From: "Linda Shipley" <clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:22:12 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Linda Shipley <clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com> :



I should've put this on the last message,

but I am wanting to take him off the allopathic meds and find a suitable 

herbal heart medication. I don't know how to taper off and his doctor is not 

for it. Any help? If I don't figure it out he will be on these meds the rest 

of his life. I am not in a panic but would like to learn how to titrate and 

taper off. ???

Linda S.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: celery

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:44:23 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Christa-Maria <cmaria@triton.net> :



I feel a bit like a fool for writing this, because I have nothing

anymore to back this up, however  this has 'stuck' as important in my

memory bank for years..

While in Europe  years ago, I read a friends herbal book and in it

celeriac ( the root) was mentioned as one of the best cancer

preventatives..I thought the book was overall very good and it was one

of those things that made my brain go 'bing'..

Also, about 20 some years ago ,reading a book about a huge incident of

nuclear contamination from an incident in the Urals, that happened in

the 50ties, celery came up again. The book was written by Russian

scientists who had defected and was backed highly by documents. The most

intriguing thing for me at that time, was that the scientist

specifically studied the effects of radiation on the soil, wildlife

mutation and the effects of it on certain plants. Celery was again

mentioned as a good preventative for the uptake of radioactive elements.



That book had a big influence on me at the time, for I lived next to one

of the oldest nuclear plants  in the world and was an intervenor with

the NRC in Washington for 12 years. It showed me clearly that it wasn't

going to be the amount of bombs we would have to do each other in, but

the knowledge of how to deal with radioactive material that would

produce the 'survivor'. Seems the Russians at that time were miles ahead

of any other country to have developed knowledge on this.

Of course if celery is high on Potassium iodine all makes some sense,

but it also has been ingrained to me by my native Odawa teachers that to

just isolate the chemical constituents in a plant for healing , leaves

out the life-force of a plant.

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: celery

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 09:18:36 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :



Christa Maria wrote:



> I feel a bit like a fool for writing this, because I have nothing

> anymore to back this up, however  this has 'stuck' as important in my

> memory bank for years..

> While in Europe  years ago, I read a friends herbal book and in it

> celeriac ( the root) was mentioned as one of the best cancer

> preventatives..



The celery we buy in the store for its stalks is not the same critter as

celeriac--related, but not the same.  I guess you'd have to research whether

they have the same medicinal values.

http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/6188/fceleria.html



May

--

We are gods in the body of god, truth and love our destinies. Go then and make

of the world something beautiful, set up a light in the darkness.

-----Egyptian Book of the Dead



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Cratgaegus

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:29:33 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by elfreem@aol.com :



<<

 > Still, why not use Crataegus spp.  It presents no problems of toxicity and

 >  it is a specific for congestive heart failure; perhaps, if a positive

 >  inotropic action is desired (stronger cardiac muscle action) alongside the

 >  Crataegus, a better remedy would be Cactus

 

 Thanks, Marcus.  I wasn't aware that crataegus (hawthorne) was a specific 

for 

 congestive heart failure.  I know of it as "cardio tonic", and I've just 

 started using it.  I'm looking for stronger cardiac muscle action also.  I 

 know absolutely nothing about cactus for that purpose, so I'm off to do some 

 research.  Can you give a brief description? 

>>



Think of Crataegus as an ACE inhibitor, primarily a vasodilator. ACE

inhibitors have been shown to reduce morbidity and mortality in patients

with heart failure ..and are currently underused and underdosed by many

physicians.



Elliot



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re:  Universal Applications of herbs

From: "Scott Carlton" <carlton@mcn.net>

Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 08:53:08 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Scott Carlton <carlton@mcn.net> :



Thank you for the detailed information Marco....the information is known to

me and is worth sharing among the listmembers.



Please note that my comments was specific to a statement regarding no *toxic

effects*.  Crateagus is an excellent herb. It is not a contraindication in

CHF or other conditions which would benefit from increased dynamics,

efficiency and tone of cadiac function....which I also noted by specifying

my diagnosis, experience, and stating that different arrythmias would have

different responses depending on underlying causes.



While WPW is a rare and pretty idiosyncratic condition, I am not the only

person who has an accessory pathway anomaly.



I restate that my concern is to avoid using a universal statement of "no

toxicity" regarding any herb or therapy as those who assume this...and dose

themselves accordingly (and often with the idea that more is better) may run

into a wreck along the way and then bolt from the very treatments that will

minimize risk, nearly eliminate medical costs and enhance health through

herbal  therapies and support.



Best Regards,

Aliceann



----- Original Message -----

From: marco valussi

To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 8:56 AM

Subject: R: R: congestive heart failure



Aliceanne wrote:



<<I'd love to use hawthorn, but since it has a digitalis/digoxin like

action,>>

What exactly do you mean?  The only activity Crataegus and

Digitalis/digoxin/cardiac glycosides have in common is being positive

inotropic (increasing the strength and speed of contraction of cardiac

muscle, thereby increasing overall performance), and even for this they are

of different magnitude and character, Crataegus being less active but more

economical for the heart muscle.  Crataegus does not exert all the other

typical digitalis-like actions.  Let's see them in detail:

1.    Bathmotropic action (excitability of heart muscle): increased by

digitalis and reduced by Crataegus

2.    Refractory period: reduced by digitalis and augmented by Crataegus

3.    Chronotropic action (heart frequency): decreased by digitalis, no

action or slightly decreased by Crataegus

4.    Dromotropic action (intracardiac conduction speed): decreased by

digitalis and increased by Crataegus

5.  Crataegus prolonged the action potential duration



In particular the increase of the refractory period and the action on the

action potential are good indicators for an antiarrhythmic action,

demonstrated in in vivo studies as well.  The main indications for the

remedy are congestive heart failure, cardiac insufficiency (NYHA I and II)

and arrhythmia.

The supposed mechanism of action is phosphodiesterase inhibiton-like,

raising cAMP levels in cardiac muscle cells.



<<it is  a bad thing for me as it aggravates a congenital cardiac arrythmia

due to increasing the cardiac dynamics and triggering the arrythmia.  My

condition is Wolff-Parkinson-White Syndrome. Other types of arrythmias will

respond differently depending on the underlying problem.>>



Obviously this is no easy condition, and in at least one of my patient

surgery was needed as a last resort, but I do not think we can say that

Crataegus IS contraindicated.  Much depends on individual cases, and on the



risk associated to longer or shorter antegrade refractory periods in the

accessory pathway.  In every case a detailed assessment is needed before

choosing the drug of choiche, and none of the orthodox antiarrhythmic drugs

is without risk.



cheers

marco



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re:  Universal Applications of herbs

From: "cyli@visi.com" <cyli@tiny.net>

Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 13:59:10 -6

--------

Sent to the herblist by Cylise <cyli@tiny.net> :



 



> 

> I restate that my concern is to avoid using a universal statement of "no

> toxicity" regarding any herb or therapy as those who assume this...and dose

> themselves accordingly (and often with the idea that more is better) may run

> into a wreck along the way 



I think you may be confusing the definitions of toxic and harmful.  All things 

that are toxic are harmful, but not all harmful things are toxic.  Arsenic in 

large amounts is toxic and harmful.  Window glass is non toxic, but can be 

harmful if broken and applied edge on to things.



I only answer my mail on an average of every

two or three months.  Do not despair.  Patience helps.



rec.backcountry vixen



http://www.visi.com/~cyli



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: R: Universal Applications of herbs

From: "marco valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 10:00:52 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it> :



Hi Aliceanne,



<<Please note that my comments was specific to a statement regarding no

*toxic

effects*.  <snip for brevity> >>



I totally agree that we shouldn't be making universal statements regarding

herbal remedies.  After all, we shpuld be making individual assessments and

prescriptions.  However, the fact that Crataegus might be contraindicated in

some individuals or in some conditions is not in itself an indicator of

toxicity, only that it is contrandicated in some situations.  But perhaps

this is just sophistic reasoning, and I do not think we are really

disagreeing on something :-)



cheers

marco



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Herbal carrying case

From: keith hubbard <keithhubb@yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 09:21:57 -0700 (PDT)

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Sent to the herblist by keith hubbard <keithhubb@yahoo.com> :



Hi, Folks



Does anyone out there know were I can buy a herbal

portable carrying case? That has small bottles

securied by elastic and opens like a book. I saw one

at the A.H.G. conference , 7song uses one for his

herbal first aid kit. I guess I should of asked back

then but forgot too.



Thanks for any help,

Keith Hubbard C.H.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbal carrying case

From: "JIM CALLAWAY" <twelco12@email.msn.com>

Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 06:45:34 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by JIM CALLAWAY <twelco12@email.msn.com> :



> Sent to the herblist by keith hubbard <keithhubb@yahoo.com> :

>

> Hi, Folks

>

> Does anyone out there know were I can buy a herbal

> portable carrying case?



B Jain of Bombay India carries a variety of such cases and also will custom

make to your specifications. They are a company that specializes in books on

homeopathy and other supplies for homeopathy. I don't know if they have an

internet site.

Good Luck - Peace ! James Callaway / Twelve Corners



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Word Choices and Impact

From: "Scott Carlton" <carlton@mcn.net>

Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 16:48:18 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Scott Carlton <carlton@mcn.net> :



Not, I'm not confused Cylise, but your words are well taken.  If it had been

past 6 a.m. when I had composed my response, I would have probably chosen a

less provocative word such as *adverse* effect instead of toxic.  However,

my brain decided it would select its own word and the association pathways

did not fire as effectively as it would have been prudent for them to.



Best Regards,

Aliceann

----- Original Message -----

From: cyli@visi.com

To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 1:59 PM

Subject: Re: Universal Applications of herbs



Sent to the herblist by Cylise <cyli@tiny.net> :



I think you may be confusing the definitions of toxic and harmful.  All

things

that are toxic are harmful, but not all harmful things are toxic.  Arsenic

in

large amounts is toxic and harmful.  Window glass is non toxic, but can be

harmful if broken and applied edge on to things.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Malignant Melanoma

From: "JILL SIMMS-YINGLING" <jtsy10@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 13:48:25 -0000

--------

Sent to the herblist by jill simms-yingling <jtsy10@hotmail.com> :



Hi Everyone:



My 61 year old (very healthy) mother was diagnosed with melanoma the acral 

lentigous type (bottom of her foot).  This was the same woman I was 

requesting help for last Spring when Shingles suddenly appeared on her out 

of nowhere.



She thought the growth was nothing more than a planter's wart that had been 

on the bottom of her foot her entire life.   It started to grow in the past 

few months, turned out it was a melanoma, 2.3mm on the Breslow Scale a Clark 

Level IV.   She has not been staged yet.   We have been to Roswell Cancer 

Institute where they biopsied two lesions on her leg.  She is scheduled for 

a wide excision sentinel node biopsy on the 17th where they will eventually 

cut an additional 2cm around the original tumour site.



Before they do this they will attempt to identify metastisis by injecting  a 

radioactive solution into her leg to identify where the sentinal (first 

lymphnode draining that site) are, then remove it and then go to the next 

drainage site and remove the first node there.



Beside the fact that the procedure sounds horribly painful and organically 

invasive, she does not want to continue with treatment that are going to 

leave her too sick to live her time here.



Has anyone had any experience or success in working with melanoma survivors 

or know of any herbal protocols or alternative programs you might refer us 

to.



She is 61, about 130 lbs., very active, unusually healthy for her age.  Is 

Hypothyroid on Citomil (sp?) and Synthroid.   (Interestingly enough she 

started the T3 last spring just before the shingles...)   Suffers with 

migrains (all her life).   Struggles with a caffine addiction.   Type A 

personality



Thanks.



j



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Cactus

From: hkobayas <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu>

Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 14:14:50 -0500

--------

Sent to the herblist by Hideka Kobayashi <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu> :



I thought somebody would reply to this inquiry, but nobody hasn't. Anyway, In 

Horizon Herbs' catalogue, there is a species of cactus, Selenecereus 

grandiflorus, and it says, "The tinsture of the plant is a low-dose botanical 

used to tonify the heart muscle..." I am not certain 100%, but this sounds 

like the cactus species mentioned in a previous message.



Hideka Kobayashi

Dept. of Natural Resources 

and Environmental Sciences

1115 Plant Science Laboratory

1201 S. Dorner Dr. 

Urbana, IL 61801



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: R: Cactus

From: "marco valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:06:49 +0200

--------

Sent to the herblist by Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it> :



<<I thought somebody would reply to this inquiry, but nobody hasn't. Anyway,

In

Horizon Herbs' catalogue, there is a species of cactus, Selenecereus

grandiflorus, and it says, "The tinsture of the plant is a low-dose

botanical

used to tonify the heart muscle..." I am not certain 100%, but this sounds

like the cactus species mentioned in a previous message.>>



Yep, that's it.  Selenicereus grandiflorus (bot. syn. Cactus grandiflorus) ,

flowers, stems, shoots.  Cactus or Night-blooming Cereus

There is an extesive description of the remedy available at M. Moore site,

(Lloyd's Bros. pamphlets) and in King's (available at Henriette's), but in

short, this plan has a digitalis-like, cardiostimulant, peripheral and

coronary vessel dilation action, via spinal cord motorneurons stimulation.

Needs to be used with care but has a much wider therapeutic index than

Convallaria or Digitalis.



cheers

marco



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: expectorants and antibiotics

From: "Anna Ingre" <ingrea@rain.com>

Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 07:11:28 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by anna b ingre <ingrea@rain.com> :



Hello



I wonder if someone could help me with the following or suggest some

websites where I might find the appropriate information.



A bout of the flue turned into bronchitis and my MD prescribed the

antibiotic Zithromax Z-Pak and a cough suppressant and expectorant

Guaifenesin and Codeine.  Prior to this, I had used large quantities of

echinacea and goldenseal, and mullein, inula and small amounts of lobelia.



While the codeine formula does suppress coughs, as does Robitussin DM, it

does not do much to loosen the phlegm which largely stays put and sticky.

The mullein, inula and lobelia mix is much more effective in thinning mucus

both in the sinuses and in the chest.



My question:  Can I use these herbs with the antibiotic.  Are there other

herbs which might be more effective in thinning mucus and helping to

expectorate it which are compatible with antibiotics.



Thanks for any help you might be able to give.



Anna



 www.lyricgarden.com  A newsletter/ezine devoted to the passions and

pleasures of gardens and gardening - poetry, art, and of course gardening.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: expectorants and antibiotics

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 12:38:57 EDT

--------

Sent to the herblist by herbmednurse@aol.com :



In a message dated 5/7/01 9:04:03 AM, ingrea@rain.com writes:



<< While the codeine formula does suppress coughs, as does Robitussin DM, it



does not do much to loosen the phlegm which largely stays put and sticky.



The mullein, inula and lobelia mix is much more effective in thinning mucus



both in the sinuses and in the chest.



My question:  Can I use these herbs with the antibiotic.  Are there other



herbs which might be more effective in thinning mucus and helping to



expectorate it which are compatible with antibiotics.



 >>



Hi Anna,

when I had the same bout as you - twice this spring - I took the zithro 

(twice); but also took a combo by Rainbow Light (nci) called Deep Defense 

that contains both shitake and reishi, echinacea.  Then I also had a tincture 

with red root, and osha root.  But the combo that I put together that 

absolutely helped the cough the most was mullein and horehound.  Wild cherry 

bark might be a consideration.  Don't forget your probiotics.

As always, increase your fluids - no dairy, it'll thicken things up.  A drop 

or two of eucalyptus EO on a hankie is nice too.   Eat light - some soups and 

broths can be very nourishing (beef, chicken, miso).  Go easy on gluten 

containing foods.  Some steamed rice and veggies was good for me  too.  And 

rest, rest, rest.

hope you feel better - 

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Alcoholism

From: "rochelle" <rochelle@ntlworld.com>

Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:00:21 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by rochelle <rochelle@ntlworld.com> :



I have a young alcoholic in tomorrow for the first time and although I will

be primarily treating this case as a homeopath I was planning to use herbs

as support if she is ready for withdrawal.  I have Avena Sativa but wondered

also about Quercus and Angelica. Any advice will be gratefully received and

please send to me personally as well as the list as I only receive the

Digest form of the list once a day.

Thanks,

Rochelle

www.rochellemarsden.co.uk



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Diabetes/High BP/ Heart/Drinker

From: "Gail Freeman" <gfreeman@hit.net>

Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 00:43:42 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Gail Freeman <gfreeman@hit.net> :



I am looking for help for a friend who, as you can see from the subject

line, has multiple health problems.  He was a fairly heavy drinker most of

his life but has quit drinking in the last few months.  He has Type II

diabetes, for which he takes a pill once a day.  He also takes blood

pressure medicine once a day.  A couple of years ago he had a heart

catheterization, but he says the doctor says now that his heart is in good

shape.  In addition, he had polio as a child and is paralyzed in one leg -

I'm concerned about the circulation in this leg because of the diabetes.  I

know that exercise is important for diabetics, but as he is in a wheelchair

most of the time he doesn't get much exercise.  I am a true novice at this,

and the only recommendation I have been able to make for sure is milk

thistle.  Can some of you more knowledgeable people on here offer some

advice?  TIA-



Gail



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Diabetes/High BP/ Heart/Drinker

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:03:50 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by Meg <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 5/9/01 3:58:48 AM Mountain Daylight Time, gfreeman@hit.net 

writes:



> I'm concerned about the circulation in this leg 



Horse chestnut can help with circulation in the legs.  I use it as a 

tincture.  Gingko can help the same way, by helping to prevent blood vessels 

from leaking.



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Diabetes/High BP/ Heart/Drinker

From: Deborah <breatheahora@qwest.net>

Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:10:32 -0600

--------

Sent to the herblist by Deborah <breatheahora@qwest.net> :



At 12:43 AM 5/8/01 -0500, you wrote:

>I'm concerned about the circulation in this leg because of the diabetes.  I

>know that exercise is important for diabetics, but as he is in a wheelchair

>most of the time he doesn't get much exercise.



I had polio myself and have been in a wheelchair ever since the initial 

viral attack. One of the best things for anyone with limited mobility is 

supported movement. Getting in water and exercising is an excellent method 

for the whole cardiovascular system. In the case of people who had polio 

and may be experiencing Post-Polio Syndrome it's very important to keep 

moving but not to overdo. Pushing muscles beyond their limits can cause 

damage and further weakness.



You can volumes of information on the late effects of polio at 

www.skally.net/ppsc



Deborah



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Short and to the point

From: JoOhio1@aol.com

Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 09:22:25 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by joohio1@aol.com :



To All who make it so.........



   This is by far, the BEST email topic list on the web (in my humble 

opinion)!!!  It never fails to deliver concise and detailed information.  It 

stands as the pinnacle of what we hope for when signing up for a specific 

topic, but rarely find.  



   The Medicinal Herbalist is a treasure!



Thank you!

Jo Schaefer



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: eczema

From: Linda G Goggans <linda@uta.edu>

Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 09:11:38 -0500 

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Sent to the herblist by linda@uta.edu :



Hello,



Does anyone have experience with Florasone Cardiospermum Cream for eczema?

Any suggestions?



I have tried everything imaginable that I can find in my limited supply of

herbal related books.



My Med Doctor has recommended Cortisone, but I have been told this only

drives the problem inwards.



Linda 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: eczema

From: Elizabeth Scotten <timelesstree@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 06:55:20 -0400

--------

Sent to the herblist by Elizabeth Scotten <timelesstree@earthlink.net> :



on 5/8/01 10:11 AM, Linda G Goggans at linda@uta.edu wrote:

> Does anyone have experience with Florasone Cardiospermum Cream for eczema?

> Any suggestions?



I have had really good luck with a cream containing callendula, comfrey,

chickweed, plantain, st. johnswort, and balm of gilead. sometimes i toss in

a little chamomile and lavender essential oils and have had very good

feedback from folks on this cream for eczema.



Good Luck! bek



-- 

bek@timelessremedies.com

http://www.timelessremedies.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: eczema

From: KR1989@aol.com

Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:58:13 EDT

--------

Sent to the herblist by kr1989@aol.com :



HI,

I make a lotion with emu oil that my customers with eczema say is all that they've found to work for them. I would suggest you use an all natural lotion( no fragerance, colorants, or preservatives, and all vegetable based). Then use a lotion that is also all natural, Make sure it contains emu oil, and essential oils of lavender (make sure it's lavender, and not lavandin) or Rosewood ( both great for exzema) I just read an article on flax seed oil and exzema also. It helps to take flax seed oil, because the essential fatty acids in flax oil keep the skin moisturized from the inside, and help prevent eczema.

Watch your diet and find a good "natural" exfoliant (oatmeal works great) to help with out breaks.

Hope that helps!

Kathy Haag

Pure Pleasures

www.ppleasures.com

100% natural skin care



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: eczema

From: "Kerry's Herbals" <jclarke2@uswest.net>

Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:10:36 -0500

--------

Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :



I'd suggest trying to treat the cause, rather than the symptoms. Eczema is

almost always an indication of some sort of allergy. Most common would be a

dairy allergy. I'd suggest eliminating all dairy (including "hidden" dairy

like whey and casein) from your diet for 2-4 weeks. I'd be willing to bet

the eczema would clear up significantly.



You might also look into sensitivities to dyes, perfumes, detergents,

anything that would routinely be next to your skin.



Kerry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.KerrysHerbals.com

Miracle Salve, herbal tinctures, essential oils and more!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: eczema

From: "gcwhite" <gcwhite@ntlworld.com>

Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:35:52 +0100

--------

Sent to the herblist by Graham White <gcwhite@ntlworld.com> :



Hi Linda



> Hello,



> Does anyone have experience with Florasone Cardiospermum Cream for eczema?

> Any suggestions?



My miracle cure (almost) for eczema is Hemp Seed Oil Cream.  I have found it

to be much more effective than things like chickweed cream and other herbal

creams.  It also helps if you take hemp seed oil internally.  High dosages

are required - for an acute episode of eczema I would recommend at least 2

tablespoons of oil daily,



> I have tried everything imaginable that I can find in my limited supply of

> herbal related books.



Of course, in the 'Land of the Free' hemp seed products are probably illegal

:-))



> My Med Doctor has recommended Cortisone, but I have been told this only

> drives the problem inwards.



Reduces the inflammation, but has long term negative effects both on the

skin and the endocrine system.



> Linda



PS. For those on this side of the Atlantic, I get both the oil and the cream

from Advanced Herbals (www.advancedherbals.com) - n.c.i., although I ought

to get at least a discount for the number of times I mention this company (a

one man herbalist band).



Cheers



Graham White  B.Sc. (Herb. Med.), MNIMH.

Medical Herbalist

Bishop's Stortford & Buntingford

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: eczema

From: "Sarah Head" <sarah@headology.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:53:30 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by Sarah J Head <sarah@headology.co.uk> :



Hi Graham



What dosage would you recommend for a 6 and 3 year old? I have a piano pupil

with chronic eczema and her little sister is almost as bad..her skin is

constantly dry, cracked and doesn't look like a child's skin ought to at

all. I have tried giving her chickweed cream to rub on and oil to put in the

bath, but it didn't seem to have any great effect.



Their Mum is open to suggestions, so I could offer this to her.



Many thanks



Sarah





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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: eczema

From: Miriam Kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>

Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:42:27 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by miriam_k@netvision.net.il :



I'm not Graham, but I have seen very good results from a cream made of 

fresh violet leaves and flowers; infuse the herb both in the water phase 

and in the oil phase.



Graham, now that I've read your praise of hemp seed oil for eczema, I guess 

I would infuse the violet leaves into that. I haven't had much satisfaction 

from chickweed for eczema either, although I prize it for other purposes.

Miriam



At 22:53 09/05/01 +0100, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by Sarah J Head <sarah@headology.co.uk> :

>

>Hi Graham

>

>What dosage would you recommend for a 6 and 3 year old? I have a piano pupil

>with chronic eczema and her little sister is almost as bad..her skin is

>constantly dry, cracked and doesn't look like a child's skin ought to at

>all. I have tried giving her chickweed cream to rub on and oil to put in the

>bath, but it didn't seem to have any great effect.

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: eczema

From: "gcwhite" <gcwhite@ntlworld.com>

Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:45:38 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by Graham White <gcwhite@ntlworld.com> :



Hi Sarah



> Sent to the herblist by Sarah J Head <sarah@headology.co.uk> :



> Hi Graham



> What dosage would you recommend for a 6 and 3 year old? I have a piano

pupil

> with chronic eczema and her little sister is almost as bad..her skin is

> constantly dry, cracked and doesn't look like a child's skin ought to at

> all. I have tried giving her chickweed cream to rub on and oil to put in

the

> bath, but it didn't seem to have any great effect.



At least 2 dessertspoons per day (20 mls.) if they will take it.

As an alternative to the hemp seed oil cream for eczema, I use a

chickweed/chamomile mix but I find the hemp seed oil cream to be more

effective.



> Their Mum is open to suggestions, so I could offer this to her.



> Many thanks

>

> Sarah



Cheers



Graham White  B.Sc. (Herb. Med.), MNIMH.

Medical Herbalist

Bishop's Stortford & Buntingford

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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: eczema

From: KR1989@aol.com

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:28:53 EDT

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I think there are a lot of things that may help witht eczema, but the real problem is what is causing it! You can treat it all you want, but as long as the allergin that is causing it is still being used, you will still have problems with it. Look into skin care products that are all natural ( no more synthetics..which have been proven to cause problems like this in sensitve people) and check out your diet!

Kathy Haag

Pure PLeasures

www.ppleasures.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: parasites/worms and castor

From: Astrid9787@aol.com

Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:16:07 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by erica <astrid9787@aol.com> :



has anyone had any success using castor oil internally to kill parasites and/or intestinal worms? if so, what brand of the oil is recommended? a woman at my local health food store did not know whether the home health brand castor oil could be used internally as it's label advises topical usages.

the reason for my interest is i recently read that acne and cysts can be a sign of parasites/worms, and with my candida, i wouldn't be surprised if little mean bugs are floating around my gut.



thanks for your help.



erica



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: parasites/worms and castor

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 12:36:50 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by Meg <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 5/8/01 10:16:46 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 

Astrid9787@aol.com writes:



> has anyone had any success using castor oil internally to kill parasites 

and/

> or intestinal worms?



Hi Erica -



I use castor oil only externally, and for parasites I use black 

walnut/wormwood extract.



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: parasites/worms and castor

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 12:47:30 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by herbmednurse@aol.com :



In a message dated 5/8/01 11:17:01 AM, Astrid9787@aol.com writes:



<< has anyone had any success using castor oil internally to kill parasites 

and/or intestinal worms? if so, what brand of the oil is recommended? a woman 

at my local health food store did not know whether the home health brand 

castor oil could be used internally as it's label advises topical usages.



the reason for my interest is i recently read that acne and cysts can be a 

sign of parasites/worms, and with my candida, i wouldn't be surprised if 

little mean bugs are floating around my gut. >>



Erica;

be very careful with taking castor oil internally.  It'll deplete your 

vitamin A and D right quick!  And the cathartic effects ..... oooh.

Acne and cysts are more signs of other things.  Try some herbs that'll help 

your liver - burdock works wonders for me.  Burdock, dandelion, yellow dock; 

the list is rather endless. No processed foods, try laying off wheat and 

dairy for a while.  Change your diet to just some lean meats, lotsa veggies, 

brown rice, lotsa water, some whole fruits - that kind of thing. Give it a 

couple of weeks.

If you really believe that parasites are a problem, there are better things 

to use than castor oil.  What you describe can be the result of so many 

things - hormones, etc.. What I've listed is by no means complete....

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: parasites/worms and castor

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net>

Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:37:38 -0700

--------

Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net> :



>Sent to the herblist by erica <astrid9787@aol.com> :

>

>has anyone had any success using castor oil internally to kill 

>parasites and/or intestinal worms? if so, what brand of the oil is 

>recommended? a woman at my local health food store did not know 

>whether the home health brand castor oil could be used internally as 

>it's label advises topical usages.

>the reason for my interest is i recently read that acne and cysts 

>can be a sign of parasites/worms, and with my candida, i wouldn't be 

>surprised if little mean bugs are floating around my gut.

>

>thanks for your help.

>

>erica



OK Erica, How have you come up with the dx of candida? This alone is 

a parasite if it is overgrown, but it is also normal flora and when 

in balance will co-exist with several other critters to make a 

healthy environment in your intestines and vagina. So the ideal is to 

create balance and hopefully maintain it. I would recommend what 

Phebe has already to treat the liver, work with diet I would add that 

you need to be getting essential fatty acids -cook with olive oil, 

take evening primrose oil or borage oil or black currant oil or flax 

seed oil as a supplement.there are many ways to go with this but 

these are places to start. If you are have a persistant diagnosed 

candida problem you should be checked for other systemic illness that 

can cause immune compromise- like diabetes,lupus, HIV, history or 

prolonged use of antibiotics, steroids...

Sharon in Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: More on bp

From: Emily Brunson <janissa@odsy.net>

Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:16:23 -0500

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I will second Gail's question on high blood pressure.  I have landed in the 

ER two times in the past six months, for very high bp -- 

220-230/140-150.  I've had every test known to man, and I don't have any 

problem that would explain my numbers, such as Cushing's or renal artery 

stenosis.  My bp is so intransigent that no medication has been able to get 

it lower than around 155/115.  I eat well, lost 35 pounds, try to live 

right -- and this bp really haunts me.  I'm on the way to another doctor 

today to see about yet another medication.



Along with the lifestyle changes I've been implementing for the past six 

months (losing weight, eating right, all that), are there any herbal 

remedies I could try?  I know that celery is supposed to be good for bp, so 

I eat that regularly.  Because I am on beta blockers, my heart rate is very 

low (44-45 bpm), so I don't feel as if *relaxing* is the point here -- in 

fact I am perpetually sleepy and tired from that medication.  But stress 

has been a serious problem for me in the past, and I currently work in a 

busy hospital ER.  I take Prozac and Klonopin for anxiety.  One day I'd 

love to be pill-free.



Anyone with any pointers would be so very appreciated.



BTW, I'm 37, and I don't feel as if these numbers are something a person my 

age SHOULD have. (Well, no one should have them, frankly.  Oy.)



Thanks in advance,

Em



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: drug interactions

From: "Linda Shipley" <clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:19:55 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Linda Shipley <clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com> :



Speaking of interactions, I have a question I would like to direct to Mary 

Conley or anyone else. Would you give a Hawthorne blend to someone who is on 

allopathic heart meds--Daserone, Diovaiv, Furosemide, Zocor??Thanks so much.

Linda Shipley



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: drug interactions

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:14:27 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by herbmednurse@aol.com :



In a message dated 5/9/01 11:20:41 AM, clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com writes:



<< Speaking of interactions, I have a question I would like to direct to Mary 

Conley or anyone else. Would you give a Hawthorne blend to someone who is on 

allopathic heart meds--Daserone, Diovaiv, Furosemide, Zocor??Thanks so much.

Linda Shipley >>



Hi Linda; 

I don't have everything in front of me, but I do know that hawthorne is 

considered a heart tonic - and it directly affects the cells of the heart 

muscle, enhancing both activity and nutrition of the heart.  It dilates the 

coronary blood vessels, so it improves both oxygen and blood supply to the 

heart.  It can give a gentle but sustained long-lasting effect on most 

degenerative age-change related diseases.  It also has some mildly 

hypotensive and diuretic effects.  It will also help to lower cholesterol 

levels.

As far as being on this and dig, or other cardiac meds - puleeze - do not go 

ahead and change dosages yourself.  If you have a dr. who doesn't want to 

wean you appropriately, then find one who does.  I remember reading somewhere 

that most people who were on hawthorn could halve their dig dosages....but 

again, over time and with supervision.  if you are one any diuretics or 

cholesterol meds, you may be able to reduce or chuck those in the long term.

Diet - goes without saying; as does appropriate exercise for your condition.

These are just all - educational suggestions - not protocol, not a diagnoses 

- and none of us would disparage your physician.  But you do need to find 

someone who will work with you and for you. Cardiac meds and the conditions 

they treat are not to be thought of lightly.

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: drug interactions

From: "Linda Shipley" <clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:30:26 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Linda Shipley <clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com> :



Well, this is alot over my widdle head (decreasing the allopathic meds in 

favor of Hawthorne). I don't believe the cardiologist will work with him on 

this. He is about the only cardio. in town. Thanks.

Linda



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: drug interactions

From: "LJS Doody" <ldoody@internetcds.com>

Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:55:14 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by LJS Doody <ldoody@internetcds.com> :



hawthorn is thought to potentate some allopathic 'heart medicines' such as

digoxin, but i dont think any evidence to show this exists.

it is considered extremely safe and does not contain any cardiac glycosides



Lizzie



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: drug interactions

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 05:27:38 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"LJS Doody" <ldoody@internetcds.com> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>hawthorn is thought to potentate some allopathic 'heart medicines' such as

>digoxin, but i dont think any evidence to show this exists.



The heart glycoside (Digitalis etc.) -based allopathic meds are given in very

closely shaved dosages - just a hint more and oops, you're dead. Only a little

less and they don't work.



If Crataegus (hawthorn) strengthens the effect of those meds, that's equivalent

with a higher dosage. Oops, you're dead. That is quite a grave consequence of a

theoretical assessment. So do you want to bet somebody's life on it? I sure

don't.



>it is considered extremely safe and does not contain any cardiac glycosides



Sure it's safe. Just don't use it together with those heart glycoside meds. 

You could also lower the dosage accordingly, but for that you need the

supervision of an MD.



There's another contraindication with hawthorn: it lengthens the time between

heartbeats. That means that the few people who have very slow heartbeats should

leave hawthorn alone.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: drug interactions

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 03:33:51 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Sent to the herblist by tmueller@bluegrass.net :



from Henriette Kress:



<<

The heart glycoside (Digitalis etc.) -based allopathic meds are given in very

closely shaved dosages - just a hint more and oops, you're dead. Only a little

less and they don't work.



If Crataegus (hawthorn) strengthens the effect of those meds, that's equivalent

with a higher dosage. Oops, you're dead. That is quite a grave consequence of a

theoretical assessment. So do you want to bet somebody's life on it? I sure

don't

>>



This raises the question, can Digitalis (herb) be used with reasonable safety by

a herbal expert, given the variability of nature regarding concentration of

active components?  One is not advised to use this herb except under

supervision by a skilled practitioner!



from Emily Brunson <janissa@odsy.net> :



<<

I will second Gail's question on high blood pressure.  I have landed in the

ER two times in the past six months, for very high bp --

220-230/140-150.  I've had every test known to man, and I don't have any

problem that would explain my numbers, such as Cushing's or renal artery

stenosis.  My bp is so intransigent that no medication has been able to get

it lower than around 155/115.  I eat well, lost 35 pounds, try to live

right -- and this bp really haunts me.  I'm on the way to another doctor

today to see about yet another medication.

>>



How do you know when you have high blood pressure that requires emergency

medical treatment?  Are there clear symptoms, or is high blood pressure "the

silent killer", where you don't know until you suffer heart attack, stroke or

aneurysm?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: drug interactions

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net>

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 02:58:10 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net> :



>

>  >>

>

>How do you know when you have high blood pressure that requires emergency

>medical treatment?  Are there clear symptoms, or is high blood pressure "the

>silent killer", where you don't know until you suffer heart attack, stroke or

>aneurysm?

>

well I think that the BP's you mention are high enough to worry me. 

Get a BP cuff and check yourself through the day and keep a record, 

you could also keep a record of foods , fluids and activities see if 

you can find a pattern to your highs and what works to keep your bp 

down.You should be taking your meds all along. And go in for 

emergency help if you aren't able to get it down. perhaps something 

you are eating, drinking or are exposed to is effecting your bp.A few 

thoughts on the subject...

    The info out on caffeine says it only raises bp for a time- that 

length of time is 3 hrs so if you are having a cup of coffee, tea or 

soda about every 4 hrs then you are keeping it up all the time. The 

studies also show that its' effects are worse on folks who already 

have high blood pressure, not just folks who are sensitive to 

caffeine, so in my book everyone with high blood pressure is 

sensitive to caffeine unless they can prove otherwise. It has also 

been shown to raise homocystine levels.

    Now just a bit on hyperhomocystinemia by the time we are in our 

60s-70s most of us will have a hard time keeping up with producing 

the enzymes to keep this away- the results of having a homocystine 

build up is irritated arteries and a reduction of Nitric Oxide which 

would relax the arteries- result elevated BP and artery damage.The 

solution for this are B vitamins specifically b6, folate and b12 and 

choline- they are synergistic to some degree so I think a complex is 

a better choice.This is not just an alternative medicine 

recommendation it is the standard treatment for infants who are found 

to have hyperhomocystinemia thru their heel stick screening. Although 

screening older folks is not such a common practice.

     A family example that is still a puzzle, wish I had a diet & 

activity diary on him   My brother use-to-be a cabinet maker he was 

in the hospital several times and has had a ton of tests because his 

bp and heart were not acting right- strange raising and lowering of 

bp and fluttering and extreme slowing of his heart they could record 

that these things were happening but didn't understand why.About 1 

year later he was injured on the job- broke his neck, so he hasn't 

been able to do that kind of work for 4 years now and he hasn't had 

any of the strange bp/heart symptoms again. Now I could speculate 

that it could be the glues or the work or the stress but I could 

probably x the stress because since then he has had just as much if 

not more stress in his life, maybe it was something else as a source 

we won't know unless it starts happening again-

Sharon in Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: drug interactions

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:42:45 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>This raises the question, can Digitalis (herb) be used with reasonable safety by

>a herbal expert, given the variability of nature regarding concentration of

>active components?



No.

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: drug interactions

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:22:19 EDT

--------

Sent to the herblist by herbmednurse@aol.com :



In a message dated 5/14/01 2:34:33 AM, tmueller@bluegrass.net writes:



<< How do you know when you have high blood pressure that requires emergency



medical treatment?  Are there clear symptoms, or is high blood pressure "the



silent killer", where you don't know until you suffer heart attack, stroke or



aneurysm? >>



there are two forms of htn:  primary and essential.  About 90% of people fall 

into the essential category - they don't know what causes it.  Primary htn is 

secondary to another disease process.  Primary htn is often asymptomatic 

until you have complications that develop.

Sometimes, people feel flushed, have headaches, dizziness, fatigue, tinnutus, 

feeling 'nervous', or even have bloody noses and feel nauseous.  If left 

untreated, you can develop all sorts of ECG changes, with a decreased cardiac 

output, changes in renal function, retinal changes, stroke.  It is not 

something to be taken lightly.

Just a few ideas....

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: drug interactions

From: "cyli@visi.com" <cyli@tiny.net>

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:08:28 -6

--------

Sent to the herblist by Cylise <cyli@tiny.net> :



>      A family example that is still a puzzle, wish I had a diet & 

> activity diary on him   My brother use-to-be a cabinet maker he was 

> in the hospital several times and has had a ton of tests because his 

> bp and heart were not acting right- strange raising and lowering of 

> bp and fluttering and extreme slowing of his heart they could record 

> that these things were happening but didn't understand why.About 1 

> year later he was injured on the job- broke his neck, so he hasn't 

> been able to do that kind of work for 4 years now and he hasn't had 

> any of the strange bp/heart symptoms again. Now I could speculate 

> that it could be the glues or the work or the stress but I could 

> probably x the stress because since then he has had just as much if 

> not more stress in his life, maybe it was something else as a source 

> we won't know unless it starts happening again-

> Sharon in Tucson



I'd take a fast guess at the glues, the lacquers, the stains, and the paints.  

Last August the building being constructed was spraying something in the 

interior that floated all over the neighborhood.  Just coincidentally my 

supervioser and I both had our blood pressure jump by 10 to 20 points on 

each dia and sy stolic.  This left me at high normal and her at normal (we'd 

both been low before, she scarily so).  And this spring, as soon the air filters 

in our building were changed, hers dropped back to her normal and mine 

started to drop.



When I worked in an ER (admitting clerk) we'd have people come in from a 

glue manufacturer with various symptoms, mostly migraines, caused purely 

by exposure to chemicals.



I only answer my mail on an average of every

two or three months.  Do not despair.  Patience helps.



rec.backcountry vixen



http://www.visi.com/~cyli



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: drug interactions

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:57:43 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by marcia v grossbard <ngbard@juno.com> :



On Mon, 14 May 2001 19:08:28 -6 "cyli@visi.com" <cyli@tiny.net> writes:

> Sent to the herblist by Cylise <cyli@tiny.net> :

> 

> 

> >      A family example that is still a puzzle, wish I had a diet & 

> > activity diary on him   My brother use-to-be a cabinet maker he 

> was 

> > in the hospital several times and has had a ton of tests because 

> his 

> > bp and heart were not acting right- strange raising and lowering 

> of 

> > bp and fluttering and extreme slowing of his heart they could 

> record 

> > that these things were happening but didn't understand why...



If you ever have your kitchen floor re-tiled or your wood floors sanded

and polyurethaned, and you can't leave the house, you will note that

inhaled toxins from industrial strength glues, pastes, asphalts, and

polymers appear to be inhaled toxins.  However, when they hit the

moisture of the delicate tissues of the pharynx and oral cavity and

reflex swallowing takes place automatically hundreds of times an hour,

you will have a "eureka" moment in which you realize that ingestion is

also taking place.   In other words, he was eating that complex gunk, and

the adverse reactions are not in the PDR.



At this point in time, if he wants herb teas, tinctures, etc. that

support the liver for purification, and mullein for the lungs, and things

like vitamin E or C, perhaps you can read or discuss these things with

him.



Good luck and good health to you and yours,

Marcia



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: drug interactions

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:06:00 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by marcia v grossbard <ngbard@juno.com> :



On Mon, 14 May 2001 21:39:01 -0500 "Linda Shipley"

<clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com> writes:

> Sent to the herblist by Linda Shipley <clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com> :

> 

> This may be off the subject but I, too, came down ill from chemicals 

> being  sprayed in the yard where I worked.

> Guess kelp would help with that if ya took it right away???> Linda S.



Maybe kelp, but I would like it at home away from the scene in a facial

"steam bucket" ( Large Bowl with about 1 teaspoon of kelp

powder/granules, hot boiling water and beach towel for making a steam

tent)



Then drink lots of water or seltzer or pleasant tasting herbal teas, and

maybe close off the day with a

beverage that included squirts of tinctures of milk thistle and/or

dandelion to be kind to the liver, and mullein for the lungs, and perhaps

some vitamin C  and vitamin E, or read about these things, and consider.



Good luck and good health to you and yours,

Marcia



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: worms/parasites

From: Astrid9787@aol.com

Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:19:10 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by erica <astrid9787@aol.com> :



thanks for your responses....



meg, what if there isn't clear-cut evidence that parasites/worms are the issue? would wormwood still be advised for suspected parasites?



phebe, i think i might have mentioned this to you before, but my diet is near perfect and has been for some time. i never eat any processed/packaged foods. thanks for the heads-up on castor oil depleting the body of vitamins a and d. i had no idea!



erica



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: worms/parasites

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:50:55 EDT

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In a message dated 5/9/01 11:19:42 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 

Astrid9787@aol.com writes:



> meg, what if there isn't clear-cut evidence that parasites/worms are the 

> issue? would wormwood still be advised for suspected parasites?

>  



I'm not in a position to advise you, but I've used it exactly that way.



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Androgenetic Alopecia?

From: rja86@webtv.net (Renee and Jerry)

Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:10:39 -0700 (PDT)

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Hi,

Does anyone have androgenetic alopecia, and if so, have personal

testiments to shampoos or alternative medicine that have helped?   I

have had this since I was about 20 and now 42 and getting worse.  Thank

you.



Happy Springtime!!



Love,  

Rene and Jerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Androgenetic Alopecia?

From: paf@webzone.net

Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:50:23 -0500

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Yes, Renee I deal with the same problem and would appreciate any insights

or advice that would help.  The only thing I've found that helps is a combo

of Derma-Smoothe F/S scalp treatment followed by Nizoral Rx shampoo, every

3 days.  Olive oil infused with rosemary eo is somewhat palliative, as is

EPO and EPA.   And I'm still losing hair.

-Anita



>>Does anyone have androgenetic alopecia, and if so, have personal

>testiments to shampoos or alternative medicine that have helped?   I

>have had this since I was about 20 and now 42 and getting worse.  Thank

>you.



>Love,

>Rene=E9 and Jerry

>



--



paf@webzone.net



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Androgenetic Alopecia?

From: rja86@webtv.net (Renee and Jerry)

Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:35:09 -0700 (PDT)

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Sent to the herblist by Renee <rja86@webtv.net> :



Anita,

Thank you.  I have just heard about Nizoral. You only use that once  a

week though. 

There is a website www.androgeneticalopecia.com you can get info from.

If I hear of anything, I shall post it.  

Take care



Happy Springtime!!



Love,  

Rene and Jerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: congestive heart failure/hawthorne

From: "c. watson" <clawso@swbell.net>

Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:23:49 -0500

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This excellent thread has convinced me to add Hawthorne to my [off-topic]

Co-Q10 regime. For background, I had a few mild tachycardia episodes playing

tennis tournaments and this is now under control with a mild beta blocker.



I generally prefer tinctures. Would tinctures be the best Hawthorne

ingestion method?



I also do tinctures and hawthorns are common. Is this venue worth pursuing?



Many thanks,



c.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure/hawthorne

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:35:37 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by Meg <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 5/10/01 9:25:23 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 

clawso@swbell.net writes:



> I generally prefer tinctures. Would tinctures be the best Hawthorne

>  ingestion method?

>  



Well, tinctures make it easier to control your dose precisely, but hawthorne 

is forgiving enough that I don't think absolute precision is necessary.  I 

take my hawthorne as an extract.  It comes in capsules also.



Fair warning - it regulated my blood pressure faster than I was expecting.  

:)  The results are good, and in the process, I get tired for a while after 

each dose.  



Meg



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure/hawthorne

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net>

Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:49:01 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net> :



>Sent to the herblist by c. watson <clawso@swbell.net> :

>

>This excellent thread has convinced me to add Hawthorne to my [off-topic]

>Co-Q10 regime. For background, I had a few mild tachycardia episodes playing

>tennis tournaments and this is now under control with a mild beta blocker.

>

>I generally prefer tinctures. Would tinctures be the best Hawthorne

>ingestion method?

>

>I also do tinctures and hawthorns are common. Is this venue worth pursuing?

>

>Many thanks,

>

>c.



Tinctures are fine,you can find them with parts you wouldn't normally 

eat like the bark and leaves as well as fruit and flowers. Hawthorn 

the fruit can be had as a jam or jelly also I have some oriental 

candy wafers made from hawthorn. When you consider you may be taking 

this for the rest of your life you may want to integrate it into your 

diet as well as starting with a tincture. Sharon in Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure/hawthorne

From: "LJS Doody" <ldoody@internetcds.com>

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:55:50 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by LJS Doody <ldoody@internetcds.com> :



>>Hawthorn

the fruit can be had as a jam or jelly also I have some oriental

candy wafers made from hawthorn.>>



...but the OPC's are in the leaves & flowers - not the fruits, and the

highest source of flavonoids are also the leaves & flowers. so dont just go

for the haws!



Lizzie



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: congestive heart failure/hawthorne

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 05:27:58 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"LJS Doody" <ldoody@internetcds.com> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>>>Hawthorn

>the fruit can be had as a jam or jelly also I have some oriental

>candy wafers made from hawthorn.>>

>

>...but the OPC's are in the leaves & flowers - not the fruits, and the

>highest source of flavonoids are also the leaves & flowers. so dont just go

>for the haws!



The haws work nicely. The trick is in using them _regularly_. Which is why you

don't need contraindications on hawthorne jellies and the like.



And believe me, the haws are far easier to pick than the elusive flowering tops

(5-6" or 15 cm of flowering branch), which 

1) are gone in a week at most in sunny weather (you don't want to pick them when

they're done flowering), and 

2) for more than half of that time they're covered in aphids, at least over

here, as the aphids arrive just as the hawthorns flower. And _nobody_ can be

expected to use _that_ kind of herb. Gah.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland     http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, pics, database, neat stuff, archives...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: congestive heart failure/hawthorne

From: "Sarah Head" <sarah@headology.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 22:27:31 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by Sarah J Head <sarah@headology.co.uk> :



Hi C



You can make hawthorne tinctures quite simply from leaves, blossom and

berries. Henrietta recommends making them separately and then mixing the

tinctures for maximum effect. The Blossom tincture smells very much like

cherries, which some people love, but which reminds me too much of the

paediatric penicillin I was given as a child!



My favourite thing to make is Hawthorne brandy..wonderful stuff!



Best wishes



Sarah



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: re: parasites/candida

From: Astrid9787@aol.com

Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:42:08 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by erica <astrid9787@aol.com> :



from sharon:

OK Erica, How have you come up with the dx of candida? This alone is 

a parasite if it is overgrown, but it is also normal flora and when 

in balance will co-exist with several other critters to make a 

healthy environment in your intestines and vagina. So the ideal is to 

create balance and hopefully maintain it. I would recommend what 

Phebe has already to treat the liver, work with diet I would add that 

you need to be getting essential fatty acids -cook with olive oil, 

take evening primrose oil or borage oil or black currant oil or flax 

seed oil as a supplement.there are many ways to go with this but 

these are places to start. If you are have a persistant diagnosed 

candida problem you should be checked for other systemic illness that 

can cause immune compromise- like diabetes,lupus, HIV, history or 

prolonged use of antibiotics, steroids...



-hi sharon.....this has been going on with me for years, so it's not some diagnosis i just fell upon. i have been diagnosed by both a nutritionist as well as a naturopath. i no longer visit either of these practitioners as i have moved across the country and also have fairly recently become a student of nutrition/herbology.

while i was a teenager i was put on antiobiotics prophalactically to ward off chronic uti's that generally followed intercourse. i have been on just about every antiobitic under the sun. i was also on birth control pills for years. i have been down every path....is it interstitial cystitis? is it irritable bowel syndrome? is it a hormonal imbalance? is it AIDS? diabetes? i have been tested for all of those on several occasions and have been found to be negative on every count. 

i have attempted to heal myself by re-establishing a more harmonious inner ecology on several occasions, only to fail miserably (began eatings high carbs/sweets, smoking, drinking socially). however, over the past 8 months i have come a long way. my diet consists of ONLY whole foods. i have begun to make my own kefir, eat cultured vegetables daily, and most importantly, learn to use food as my first line of defense. most of my symptoms have cleared up, however, my skin is still a problem area. it breaks out (although not as much as it had been when the candida was at it's worst) sporadically, but when it does the pimples are cystic and typically located around my chin/mouth area, perhaps indicating poor digestion. i am not surprised as my digestion is far from perfect, although the kefir, cultured vegetables, and bitters help. in fact, i recently received colonics (about two months ago) that were unsuccessful to some extent and now i have major gas pains when i lie down to g!

o !

to sleep and when i awaken in th

e morning. my digestion is weak.



i realize that parasites almost always accompany yeast. that is why i'm beginning to question how i can conquer them. i have read that cysts can be a sign that parasites/worms are present in the body and i'm wondering if this is related to my skin problems. i've been dealing with cysts throughout the presence of candida and am beginning to scar. i'd like to eradicate them before it gets any worse.



thanks for your help...

erica 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: re: parasites/candida

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net>

Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:12:59 -0700

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Erica wrote:

snip--

  most of my symptoms have cleared up, however, my skin is still a 

problem area. it breaks out (although not as much as it had been when 

the candida was at it's worst) sporadically, but when it does the 

pimples are cystic and typically located around my chin/mouth area, 

perhaps indicating poor digestion. snip--



Erica, I think that something you are putting in or on your mouth you 

are allergic / sensitive to.

What is the status of your cronic UTI problem?

Sharon in Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: sinuses

From: krw97@juno.com

Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:16:11 -0500

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Are there any herbs out there that will keep my sinuses regular so I

won't get a sinus infection?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re:hawthorne

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net>

Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:32:22 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net> :



>

>...but the OPC's are in the leaves & flowers - not the fruits, and the

>highest source of flavonoids are also the leaves & flowers. so dont just go

>for the haws!

>

>Lizzie

>

Well you are right don't just go for the fruits, whole plant is the 

most effective, and I won't be eating any bark jam yet. I have made 

flower tincture, leaf and twig tincture and bark tincture. To me the 

flowers smell like rotting flesh/garbage- on the plant or as a 

tincture. AN old woman I made the tinctures up for thought it smelled 

great, something delicious I guess she really needed it . Sharon in 

Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: SJW interactions

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:56:04 EDT

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>  This is not directed at you personally...but did you all ever think about 

it 

>  being the problem of an allo-med reacting with an herb; rather than the 

herb 

>  being the culprit.

>  

>  So many allo-meds have these terrible reactions and we just don't read 

them 

>  about herbs.....

>  

>  So let's blame the allo-meds and help the herbs gain the respect they need.



SJW does cause an increase in metabolism of certain substrates in the liver. 

SJW is the active agent and the substrates (cyclosporin, HIV drugs, etc) 

are more or less passive in this particular situation. If you're going to 

pick 

one that is at "fault", therefore, it wouldn't be the allo-med ...but blame 

is 

a useless distinction in cases of interactions and I'm sure that wasn't what 

was meant in the initial statement.



Elliot



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: hawthorn

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:13:32 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by elfreem@aol.com :



> hawthorn is thought to potentate some allopathic 'heart medicines' such as

>  digoxin, but i dont think any evidence to show this exists.

>  it is considered extremely safe and does not contain any cardiac glycosides



FYI, although it does not contain cardiac glycosides hawthorn has been 

shown to increase the force of contractions by the heart. I've heard 

from an herbal pharmacist, Steve Ottariano (Medical Herbal Therapy, 

Nicolin Fields Publishing), that it could reduce the dose of digoxin in 

heart failure patients. In other words, any drug interaction from hawthorn 

with regard to the heart is a good thing!



Elliot



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: hawthorn

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 20:44:25 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Christa-Maria <cmaria@triton.net> :



I am always amazed how much my native Odawa friends know, without the

benefit of much chemistry or botanical jargon...

My heart has an electrical problem and was a bit difficult to first

diagnose when trouble surfaced.All my herb friends said 'hawthorn' to

strengthen the heart..well that was not the problem, I have a strong

heart..Only my native friends where wise enough to warn me to stay away

from it.

As it turned out, I have a slow heart rate, low bloodpressure and

hawthorn would not be good for this heart condition.

For some reason there are also a lot of legends in regards to hawthorn

to warn of it's use and only very few medicine people will use it, same

with lilly of the valley..

Heartcondition, is such a generic name for so many different situations,

it's wise to know exactly what applies before just using an herb when

some book might say " heart"....

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: charcoal

From: krw97@juno.com

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:28:59 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by K Williams <krw97@juno.com> :



I recently saw a bottle of a supplement/or herb called Charcoal.

Does anyone know what it is good for?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: charcoal

From: "Linda Shipley" <clarinetgirl72@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:21:00 -0500

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Charcoal is good for food poisoning or a terrible cramping stomach.

Linda



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: charcoal

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:13:21 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by marcia v grossbard <ngbard@juno.com> :



On Fri, 11 May 2001 10:28:59 -0500 krw97@juno.com writes:

> Sent to the herblist by K Williams <krw97@juno.com> :

> 

> I recently saw a bottle of a supplement/or herb called Charcoal.

> Does anyone know what it is good for?



Encapsulating ingested toxins and helping them exit.  It can leach out

materials such as B-complex at the same time, so it is not really a

supplement.

Marcia



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: charcoal

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:59:40 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by herbmednurse@aol.com :



In a message dated 5/12/01 5:15:33 PM, ngbard@juno.com writes:



<< It can leach out

materials such as B-complex at the same time, so it is not really a

supplement. >>



Marcia,

do you have a reference to this?  that it leaches out B complex?

much thanks,

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: re: parasites/candida/uti

From: Astrid9787@aol.com

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:51:02 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by erica <astrid9787@aol.com> :



hi sharon,



the uti's have dramatically dissipated. now, if they were actually real uti's is questionable. when i first began getting them about ten years ago i did have cultures taken by urologists. after a few years, doctors began "trusting me" to make my own diagnosis and would just call in prescriptions for antibiotics for me to pick up. my thought is that somewhere down the line, it stopped being e-coli or whatever bacteria, and became yeast and/or parasites. although my symptoms remained very much like your typical uti (painful urination, persistant burning, severe bladder pressure) they began to also mimick typical yeast symtoms. after taking diflucan for months with no end it sight, i decided to do my own research and heal my body naturally.



diet, inner cleansing, and herbs have been my shining stars in healing and strenthening my bladder and urethra. my personal focus is now on prevention.



regards,

erica



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: appetite

From: "chris" <manta@localline.com>

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:57:10 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by manta@localline.com :



Does anyone know if any of these supplements, (or combination of), increase

appetite?   Omega 3 fish oils, Conjugated Linoleic Acid, Evening Primrose

Oil, CoQ10.   Thank you,

Elaine



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: appetite

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:21:44 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by Meg <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 5/11/01 1:56:25 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 

manta@localline.com writes:



> Does anyone know if any of these supplements, (or combination of), increase

>  appetite?   Omega 3 fish oils, Conjugated Linoleic Acid, Evening Primrose

>  Oil, CoQ10.



I doubled my dose of CoQ10 about a week ago, and I've been hungrier since 

then.  A sample size of you and me doesn't mean much, but it makes sense that 

improving heart action would improve digestion.



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Tincture making

From: "Ravenna" <ravenna@netserv.net.au>

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 07:50:41 +0800

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Sent to the herblist by Ravenna Morgan <ravenna@netserv.net.au> :



Greetings,

Does anyone know what test could be done to acertain when a tincture (or any

liquid I suppose) is 'saturated'. For years I have been making what I call a

'3x tincture' by adding more material to the finished tincture and repeating

again so that , in all, the original alcohol receives 3 lots of plant

material.



I do this mainly with calendula officinalis and the resultant tincture is

dark, dark orange, I have used the tincture successfully to treat scabies

and golden staph infections where a single extraction had little effect. I

don't mind the time I spend making a 3x but wonder if it's 'overkill' and

whether 2x would be saturated?

Ravenna

Be gentle with the earth



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Tincture making

From: mango <j.kolling@chello.nl>

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:58:20 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by mango <j.kolling@chello.nl> :



I've never tried it but it sounds very good, i think if you can make herbs like

that stronger with this method it's just the better, i know some chinese

practises that use this kind of method to make things strionger, so at least

it's a technique that actually exists, and to me it sounds like a very good

idea... some herbs might not require this, but with some herbs i think it might

be very very useful.



Joel



P.S. thanks for sharing.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Pressure in my right eye socket.....

From: "gabriel elohim" <gabrielelohim@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 05:31:12 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Gabrielelohim@hotmail.com :



Hello all,

First of all let me say that, I think "this list", is a wonderful thang. 

Secondly, I would like to hear some advice about a particular problem that I 

am having. I am experiencing a "dull pain" in my right eye socket. It feels 

like there is too much "pressure" building from behind the eye itself. There 

is no blurred vision, just a constant "watering" from that particular eye, 

and the "dull pain from the inside", or "behind the eye itself". Is this an 

infection in one of my sinus cavities, or something more serious? It is very 

recent, only in the last three days or so. I am a smoker, does this have 

anything to do with the problem? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Brightest Blessings,



Gabrielelohim



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Pressure in my right eye socket.....

From: rja86@webtv.net (Renee and Jerry)

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:58:47 -0700 (PDT)

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Sent to the herblist by Renee <rja86@webtv.net> :



Sorcy,

Better safe than sorry.  I would go to an opthamologist!!!!



Happy Springtime!!



Love,  

Rene and Jerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Blood Pressure

From: "Cindy Lee" <texasbluebonnets@home.com>

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:40:54 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Cindy Lee <texasbluebonnets@home.com> :



Hi Em,



I am going through a simular problem with  high blood pressure. My doctor

has put me on Diovaan  80mg which is a  retty low dose. But my pressure

doesn't get  quite as    high as   yours. Although it's up again this

weekend, but I also have a high stress job. One I am contimplating leaving.



I also  noticed  you mentioned  your age, and would like to suggest  maybe

checking with a GYn to have your hormone levels checked.



I for one have none due to surgical removal and so have used Estrgen for a

few years, which I stopped taking because it was worsening my migraines, and

also messing with my blood pressure.   I am checking into trying to

progestrone cream because I hear proegestrone lowers blood  pressure and

helps  with blood vesssel tone.  No certain type, I don' know which is

better, but I hear the higher content of the wild yam the better.



anyway, I just thought that your hormones might be factor in your blood

pressure whether or not your interested in  hormone replacement or not.

Women can begin having fluctuating hormones in thier early 30's.



hope some of that helps or at least gives you another avenue to look into.



cindy Lee



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Blood Pressure

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:04:59 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by herbmednurse@aol.com :



In a message dated 5/12/01 11:41:33 PM, texasbluebonnets@home.com writes:



<<  I am checking into trying to



progestrone cream because I hear proegestrone lowers blood  pressure and



helps  with blood vesssel tone.  No certain type, I don' know which is



better, but I hear the higher content of the wild yam the better. >>



Cindy;

I don't think that taking progesterone creme is such a great idea just to 

lower your pressure....there are so many other things to do and try.  the 

wild yam content doesn't have anything to do with the quality or amount of 

progesterone in the tube.  Wild yam cannot change to progesterone in your 

body.

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: just wondering who everybody is

From: Roseb44170@aol.com

Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 18:59:06 EDT

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Sent to the herblist by roseb44170@aol.com :



Hello to Everybody



My screen name is Rose.  I have been interested in herbs now for a while.  

Since I have my own garden in my back yard I have become very interested in 

them.  I love reading about all the things that they can be used for and 

would like to try and grow them for myself.  This isn't a professional 

interest, just a personal one.



I live just outside of Phila., Pa in Montgomery County.  My home page is:



http://members.aol.com/Roseb44170/home.html



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: high blood pressure

From: "Sandra Oliveira Almeida" <sandraalmeida@netvisao.pt>

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:21:56 +0100

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my mother suffers from hb and she smokes.That can be one of the reasons to

have such a raise, but she doesn't want to stop that "thing". Is there any

herb treament to cause body rejection to tobbaco? I bought her hawthorn, and

she just started on this.

Thak you for any information

sandra



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: "chris" <manta@localline.com>

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:22:49 -0500

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<sandraalmeida@netvisao.pt>  wrote:

>

 Is there any

> herb treament to cause body rejection to tobbaco? I bought her hawthorn,

and

> she just started on this.



I used toothpicks soaked in tea tree oil.  Worked great for me.  I have been

off the cigarettes for a year and a half.  I also used Zyban, (Wellbutrin).

The toothpicks gave my mouth and hands  'something to do' and the tea tree

oil has a 'bite' to it like nicotine.  Good luck.  Elaine







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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:52:45 EDT

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In a message dated 5/14/01 4:23:37 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 

sandraalmeida@netvisao.pt writes:



> herb treament to cause body rejection to tobbaco? 



I'm not aware of any , Sandra.  When I stopped smoking, I used lobelia to 

help stop the craving, osha to help clear the gunk out of my lungs, american 

ginseng for energy and licorice to help normalize digestion.  But my blood 

pressure was low then - I'm telling you only what worked for me.  And I was 

ready to stop.



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: "Sandra Oliveira Almeida" <sandraalmeida@netvisao.pt>

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:58:33 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by sandra <sandraalmeida@netvisao.pt> :



"And I was  ready to stop."



Meg:

this the key-problem: she doesn't want to stop!but her pressure is very

high, and I'm always frightened.Everything helps, if it is to help her

letting go of smoking. Thank you for your help.

sandra



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: OT: Smoking (was Re: high blood pressure)

From: Emily Brunson <janissa@odsy.net>

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:17:25 -0500

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At 03:58 PM 05/14/2001 +0100, Sandra Oliveira Almeida wrote:

>this the key-problem: she doesn't want to stop!  but her pressure is very

>high, and I'm always frightened.  Everything helps, if it is to help her

>letting go of smoking.



The thing is, to me, the impulse to stop smoking has to come from inside. 

It just doesn't really work if you quit for someone else, or something 

else.  I mean, I hate to say that, but I've quit twice and yet I went back 

to it.  And I think that's because I didn't become a non-smoker when I quit 

-- I was a smoker who wasn't smoking.  There's a huge difference.



If she doesn't want to stop smoking, then maybe you could encourage her to 

improve her lifestyle in other areas.  A healthy diet full of as many fresh 

veggies and fruits as she can eat; vigorous exercise as much as she is 

capable; that sort of thing.  I realize this will not stop the harmful 

effects of tobacco.  But it will make her the healthiest smoker she can be, 

if you take my meaning.



Whatever you do -- and please bear in mind that I'm a smoker and I can see 

this side of the fence -- don't focus on her smoking to the exclusion of 

all else.  That may have the backlash effect of making her hold onto her 

habit even harder, because it can make her feel defensive and out of 

control.  Focus on positives.  "Would you like to take a walk with 

me?"  "How about I make dinner?"



Above all, if you can, don't let your mother's smoking get in the way of 

enjoying her company.  Smokers are not defined by their smoking 

habits.  There are very few smokers, I think, who don't know that it's a 

very bad habit, and one they probably wish they could stop.  But that 

addiction is the most powerful one I know of, and it's terribly difficult 

to quit, even when you WANT to, much less when you don't.



Just my two cents, from the smoker's end of the room.  :)



Best,

Em



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 3x tincture

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:14:24 EDT

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>  For years I have been making what I call a

>  '3x tincture' by adding more material to the finished tincture and 

repeating

>  again so that , in all, the original alcohol receives 3 lots of plant

>  material.

>  

>  I do this mainly with calendula officinalis and the resultant tincture is

>  dark, dark orange, I have used the tincture successfully to treat scabies

>  and golden staph infections where a single extraction had little effect. 



Could you be more specific about "golden staph" infections. What is

it, how was it treated (topical or by mouth), and how was success was 

determined. thanx



Elliot



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Smoking (was Re: high blood pressure)

From: "Sandra Oliveira Almeida" <sandraalmeida@netvisao.pt>

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:27:14 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by sandra <sandraalmeida@netvisao.pt> :



"Above all, if you can, don't let your mother's smoking get in the way of

 enjoying her company.  > Just my two cents, from the smoker's end of the

room.  :)

Best,

Em"

Dear Em:

Your point is absolutely right! And that is the ideal behavior; our

relationship is great, but I'm always concerned with her health, due to her

craving for junk food and no vegetables. I've noticed her declining (she's

56) and I feel sometimes how little one can do to someone else, besides love

and respect, when that someone has troubled feeding habits and is a smoker.

I remembered a case, in Africa, when someone told me there was an herb that

could cause repulse, when it was chewed before smoke a cigarette, but i was

very young and I don't remember the name.

hugs,

Sandra



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Premature atrial contractions?

From: "Renee" <rja86@webtv.net>

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:24:03 -0400

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My husband just had an EKG and dr. said it was premature atrial

contractions and it involved the upper part of the heart.  He said after

40, (my husband's 48) it is normal to have this irregular heart beat.  He

told him to give up caffeine because it is a stimulant.  That's it. This

sounds so wrong or understated to me.  Any thoughts on this? Thank you,

Renee



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Premature atrial contractions?

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:27:46 EDT

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In a message dated 5/14/01 10:24:05 PM, rja86@webtv.net writes:



<< My husband just had an EKG and dr. said it was premature atrial

contractions and it involved the upper part of the heart.  He said after

40, (my husband's 48) it is normal to have this irregular heart beat.  He

told him to give up caffeine because it is a stimulant.  That's it. This

sounds so wrong or understated to me.  Any thoughts on this? Thank you,

Renee >>



Hi Renee;

PACs are very common in this age group <sigh>.... and are usually in response 

to caffeine and stress - and lack of sleep.  If your doctor thinks this is 

really a problem, he probably would've ordered a 24hr. Holter monitor, or 

something akin to that.  If there was any sign of a pathologic disease, it 

will generally show up on the EKG.  

PACs are usually nothing to worry about - unless he has complaints 

(breathlessness, pallor, etc.) that go along with it.  PVCs.....well, that's 

an entirely different story!!!

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Mary speaking at NIH

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:37:37 EDT

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Hello all -



This goes up with permission from Henriette...thank you.



Mary Conley, ND will be discussing "Alternative Approaches to 

Women's Health Issues," at The National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, 

Maryland.  Her talk will be this Wednesday, May 16th at 7:00 p.m.  The 

evening will be sponsored by The Graduate Women in Science SDE-GWIS Omicron 

Chapter.  For information please contact Paddy Wiesenfeld at NIH at 

301-827-8526, or Mary thru email:  Herbgrow30@aol.com.



.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: OT: Smoking

From: "Daphne Saul" <dtstsz91@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:17:10 

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Suggestion:



If she likes smoking but TRULY wishes to alleviate affects, you could try 

getting Natural Tobacco cigarettes.  It won't ELIMINATE the effects of the 

tar, nicotine, and really, just the smoke itself.



You would be suprised, though, how many 'added ingredients' there are in you 

average (read: MOST!!) commercially manufactured cigarettes...which GREATLY 

exaggerate the side effects and pose much more of a health problem.



Maybe this, in combination with eating better, taking in more fluids--doing 

the occasional 'cleanse' might help.  Here where I live, there are 

cigarettes such as these in the natural food store.



Just a suggestion, anyway...;)



Daphne



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: 3X tinctures

From: "Ravenna" <ravenna@netserv.net.au>

Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:24:25 +0800

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Sent to the herblist by Ravenna Morgan <ravenna@netserv.net.au> :



Elliot wrote: Could you be more specific about "golden staph" infections.



Greetings Elliot,

Staphylococcus aureus is a bacteria made up of cocci aggregated like a bunch

of grapes. It has been referred to as the 'Superbug' and is rampant in

hospitals where it is a common cause of wounds being infected.



My husband suffered with periodic outbreaks of eczema which completely

covered both his legs. The itching was intense and the lesions became

infected with staphylococcus aureus, the legs then became highly inflamed

and oozed pus (all pretty distressing).



He visited several dermatologists who, in the main, were less than helpful.

Not one suggested a dietary regime and the only suggestions for treatment

were ointments and antibiotics. I was most anxious to prevent further damage

to his skin and as herbal books suggested Goldenseal packs which in view of

the extent of the problem would have been terribly expensive I resorted once

again to my number one herb Calendula officinalis.



I made a triple extracted tincture as I reckoned that a 'superbug' needed a

'supertincture' and it worked! I put the tincture into a bottle with a fine

spray nozzle and sprayed the legs every two hours. The effect was noticeable

within 24 hours and since the infection cleared up (about 6 months ago)

there has been no further outbreak.



My husband has been taking a dessertspoonful of hemp oil 3 times daily,

bioflavonoids, Vitamin A, zinc and EPO. His eczema, that he had suffered

from for years, has so far (touch wood) not reappeared. We used hemp oil as

a topical application after curing the infection as the skin was very dry

after the alcohol.



Ravenna



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: 3X tinctures now staph infection????

From: "GardenThyme Lady" <dblan@mail.netusa1.net>

Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:43:42 -0500

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My dad got a small nick from the newspaper machine.  It's turned into a hard

knot and his hand and arm are black and blue and swollen.  He says it's

better than it was!  It really scared me, grabbed some plantain since that

was all I had handy, to rub on the wound, what else can he use? Is this that

golden staph????



Dee

"The Gardenthyme Lady"



Elliot wrote: Could you be more specific about "golden staph" infections.



Greetings Elliot,

Staphylococcus aureus is a bacteria made up of cocci aggregated like a bunch

of grapes. It has been referred to as the 'Superbug' and is rampant in

hospitals where it is a common cause of wounds being infected.



--



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: smoking

From: "rochelle" <rochelle@ntlworld.com>

Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:54:39 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by rochelle <rochelle@ntlworld.com> :



Dear Sandra,

As a homeopath I use Caladium (American Arum) in potency 12x. It makes the

cigarette taste horrible in some people if they suck a pillule before

smoking the cigarette. However I have to warn you that smokers tend to just

not suck the pillules because they don't really want to give up smoking!!

Regards,

Rochelle

www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

<<I remembered a case, in Africa, when someone told me there was an herb

that

could cause repulse, when it was chewed before smoke a cigarette, but i was

very young and I don't remember the name.

hugs,

Sandra>>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Tonsils

From: <cometa@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:33:45 -0400

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My nephew has swollen tonsils.  My sister-in-law has an appointment to have

them removed (sometime in June).  I'm trying to talk her out of it until she

at least tries to cure the problem, she would rather not have them removed,

but doesn't want him to have the problems he has been having, one of them

being not sleeping well.  Does anyone have any suggestions?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Tonsils

From: cadfile@juno.com

Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:43:45 -0500

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A study done in the 50's in Indiana U.S.A.  showed that during the

epidemic of polio that no one with their tonsils still in place

contracted polio. 



Stan

"Cadfile"

cadfile@juno.com



> My nephew has swollen tonsils.  My sister-in-law has an appointment 

> to have

> them removed 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Tonsils

From: "Kerry's Herbals" <jclarke2@uswest.net>

Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:03:50 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :



> Sent to the herblist by Stan Mills <cadfile@juno.com> :

>

> A study done in the 50's in Indiana U.S.A.  showed that during the

> epidemic of polio that no one with their tonsils still in place

> contracted polio.

>



LOL! I'm sorry, but I find that humorous! I hope they're not extrapolating

from that that having their tonsils removed is what prevented them from

contracting polio. Was there any other evidence or information from the

study that would corroborate this, or was it more of a "Huh! This is an

interesting coincidence!" type thing?



Regarding tonsillectomies, I'd suggest reading Mendelsohn's _How to Raise a

Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor_ (nci). There's a great chapter on

tonsillectomies, and why they're unnecessary.



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Tonsils

From: "Kerry's Herbals" <jclarke2@uswest.net>

Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:12:31 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :



> > A study done in the 50's in Indiana U.S.A.  showed that during the

> > epidemic of polio that no one with their tonsils still in place

> > contracted polio.

> >

>

> LOL! I'm sorry, but I find that humorous! I hope they're not extrapolating

> from that that having their tonsils removed is what prevented them from

> contracting polio. Was there any other evidence or information from the

> study that would corroborate this, or was it more of a "Huh! This is an

> interesting coincidence!" type thing?

>



Let me clarify, as the tone of my post came off a bit glib. Was there

anything else to the study that would cause them to correlate having tonsils

and being able to fight off polio?



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Tonsils

From: "Amy Cook" <acook@in4web.com>

Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:26:23 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Amy Cook <acook@in4web.com> :



Kerry,



I don't know about this study, but isn't polio contracted through airborne

particles--e.g. via sneezes?  Therefore, if the virus is passed through the

mucous membranes like the throat, would not the tonsils serve a localized

immune purpose?.  If I'm correct, polio  manifests first with cold-like

symptoms.



Amy



> > Let me clarify, as the tone of my post came off a bit glib. Was there

> anything else to the study that would cause them to correlate having

tonsils

> and being able to fight off polio?

>

> Kerry

>

>

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Tonsils

From: Deborah <breatheahora@qwest.net>

Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:13:12 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Deborah <breatheahora@qwest.net> :



At 03:26 PM 5/17/01 -0400, you wrote:

>I don't know about this study, but isn't polio contracted through airborne

>particles--e.g. via sneezes?  Therefore, if the virus is passed through the

>mucous membranes like the throat, would not the tonsils serve a localized

>immune purpose?.  If I'm correct, polio  manifests first with cold-like

>symptoms.



Poliomyelitis is contracted through oral-fecal contact.



If you want to read up on Polio, you can go to www.skally.net/ppsc



It's a huge database with as much as you might want to know about the 

disease. One thing I would like to add to the site is more natural remedies 

for dealing with the symptoms of Post-Polio Syndrome.



Deborah



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Tonsils

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net>

Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:19:50 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net> :



>Sent to the herblist by Amy Cook <acook@in4web.com> :

>

>Kerry,

>

>I don't know about this study, but isn't polio contracted through airborne

>particles--e.g. via sneezes?  Therefore, if the virus is passed through the

>mucous membranes like the throat, would not the tonsils serve a localized

>immune purpose?.  If I'm correct, polio  manifests first with cold-like

>symptoms.

>

>Amy

>

Amy nope it is a GI illness most of the time not resulting in 

anything more than diarrhea and conversley sometimes other GI viruses 

can enter the nervous system and end with simular grave illness .

http://128.59.173.136/PICO/Chapters/History.html there are many more 

sites on the web this is just short on history

-------------



As for treatment for tonsils, the herbs that come to mind are 

verbena, red root(ceanothus ) and phytolacca can be found/bought as 

an oil and applied externally.

Rule out allergies, actually figure out what might be irritating to 

this bit of the kido's immune system, milk, cats, feather pillow, 

mold...

Sharon in Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Tonsils

From: Deborah <breatheahora@qwest.net>

Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:57:01 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Deborah <breatheahora@qwest.net> :



At 12:43 PM 5/17/01 -0500, you wrote:

>A study done in the 50's in Indiana U.S.A.  showed that during the

>epidemic of polio that no one with their tonsils still in place

>contracted polio.



Well, I'm living proof that stated absolutes are, at best, poor research. I 

got Bulbar Polio in 1954 and I still have my tonsils.



This is not to say that tonsils ought to be removed. I believe it's pretty 

well established that they are valuable and I would do everything within my 

capacity to continue to keep mine, in spite of their inability to protect 

me from Polio!!



Deborah



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Tonsils

From: "Rosemari Roast" <walkinthewoods@snet.net>

Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:14:23 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Rosemari Roast <walkinthewoods@5Pillars.com> :



> A study done in the 50's in Indiana U.S.A.  showed that during the

> epidemic of polio that no one with their tonsils still in place

> contracted polio.



Hmmm.  I had polio.  I still have my tonsils.  A questionable study, at

best!



rose



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Tonsils

From: cadfile@juno.com

Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:32:34 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Stan Mills <cadfile@juno.com> :



> > A study done in the 50's in Indiana U.S.A.  showed that during 

> the

> > epidemic of polio that no one with their tonsils still in place

> > contracted polio.

> >

> 

> LOL! I'm sorry, but I find that humorous! I hope they're not 

> extrapolating

> from that that having their tonsils removed is what prevented them 

> from

> contracting polio. 



The laugh is on you. 

You did not read my reply and jumped to an erroneous conclusion.

The study did not make any conclusions. Only point out a fact. 

Possibly a better choice of words would have been a survey instead of

study.



Stan

"Cadfile"

cadfile@juno.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Tonsils

From: "Kerry's Herbals" <jclarke2@uswest.net>

Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:04:41 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :



> Sent to the herblist by Stan Mills <cadfile@juno.com> :

>

>

> > > A study done in the 50's in Indiana U.S.A.  showed that during

> > the

> > > epidemic of polio that no one with their tonsils still in place

> > > contracted polio.

> > >

> >

> > LOL! I'm sorry, but I find that humorous! I hope they're not

> > extrapolating

> > from that that having their tonsils removed is what prevented them

> > from

> > contracting polio.

>

> The laugh is on you.

> You did not read my reply and jumped to an erroneous conclusion.

> The study did not make any conclusions. Only point out a fact.

> Possibly a better choice of words would have been a survey instead of

> study.

>

> Stan

> "Cadfile"



Um...what reply? The only post I received from you was that one-line message

about the study. And I *did* apologize for my response. And yes, survey

would have been a better choice of words. "Study" implies that it was

scientific, with proper protocol.



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Herbs for the horse

From: Jeanette Johnson <rej@cpinternet.com>

Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:28:45 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Jeanette Johnson <rej@cpinternet.com> :



Hi gang,



  I've been using alternative treatments on my horse and pets for sometime now,

but it's the time of year for bugs again.  Any thoughts on how to deter them,

and then help heal the bites incurred by the most stubborn of gnats?



  So far, my regimine includes spraying body with ACV; putting an Avon

citronella oil product around ears and eyes, throat, etc.; trying to sneak ACV

in her water; rubbing a thick coat of petroleum on udder etc.; and I should be

at this point heading for the health food store to get brewyer's yeast as a

supplement.  She hates the taste of garlic, so unless you can cook it with

carrots, eating that is out of the question for at least my horse! (*wishful

sigh*  Would help with worms too)



  I know this is more of a human based board, but just by my reading, you all

have helped me out in my knowledge and use of herbs greatly.  I also can't seem

to find a *good* alternative health/herb based forum for pets.



Thanks in advance!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs for the horse

From: Elizabeth Scotten <timelesstree@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:24:58 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Elizabeth Scotten <timelesstree@earthlink.net> :



Hi Jeanette,



There is a wonderful book out caller'A Modern Horse Herbal'. I'm not sure

who wrote it but a friend of mine swears by it. It seems to have really good

info. 



:) bek

-- 

bek@timelessremedies.com

http://www.timelessremedies.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs for the horse

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@bigsky.net>

Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:57:38 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@bigsky.net> :



>

>Hi Jeanette,

>

>There is a wonderful book out caller'A Modern Horse Herbal'. I'm not sure

>who wrote it but a friend of mine swears by it. It seems to have really good

>info.



Next time you talk to you friend, please try and find out the author of

this book.  let us  know. Veronica



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs for the horse

From: "Heidi Scholes" <hscholes1@earthlink.net>

Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:24:02 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Heidi Scholes <hscholes1@earthlink.net> :



A Modern Horse Herbal by Hilary Page Self



Heidi



> >There is a wonderful book out caller'A Modern Horse Herbal'. I'm not sure

> >who wrote it but a friend of mine swears by it. It seems to have really

good

> >info.

>

> Next time you talk to you friend, please try and find out the author of

> this book.  let us  know. Veronica

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs for the horse

From: <cometa@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:59:00 -0400

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I've been with horses nearly all my life, and have worked on the race track

(Pimlico, Belmont, Aqueduct, Fair Grounds, among others) for over seven

years. One trainer I worked with for many years, (truly a horseman), always

bought Palmolive soap, dishwashing detergent.  The green kind.  He swore by

it, has been using it for many years.  I'm not sure if it is environmental

friendly, or whether or not it is used on animals, but he always said that

it would keep the flys away.



> Sent to the herblist by Jeanette Johnson <rej@cpinternet.com> :

>

> Hi gang,

>

>   I've been using alternative treatments on my horse and pets for sometime

now,

> but it's the time of year for bugs again.  Any thoughts on how to deter

them,

> and then help heal the bites incurred by the most stubborn of gnats?

>

>   So far, my regimine includes spraying body with ACV; putting an Avon

> citronella oil product around ears and eyes, throat, etc.; trying to sneak

ACV

> in her water; rubbing a thick coat of petroleum on udder etc.; and I

should be

> at this point heading for the health food store to get brewyer's yeast as

a

> supplement.  She hates the taste of garlic, so unless you can cook it with

> carrots, eating that is out of the question for at least my horse!

(*wishful

> sigh*  Would help with worms too)

>

>   I know this is more of a human based board, but just by my reading, you

all

> have helped me out in my knowledge and use of herbs greatly.  I also can't

seem

> to find a *good* alternative health/herb based forum for pets.

>

> Thanks in advance!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs for the horse

From: <cometa@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:13:05 -0400

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I didn't mean to say "used on animals" I meant to say "tested on animals" as

I do not use any products that have been tested on animals.



>

>   I've been using alternative treatments on my horse and pets for sometime

now,

> but it's the time of year for bugs again.  Any thoughts on how to deter

them,

> and then help heal the bites incurred by the most stubborn of gnats?

>

>   So far, my regimine includes spraying body with ACV; putting an Avon

> citronella oil product around ears and eyes, throat, etc.; trying to sneak

ACV

> in her water; rubbing a thick coat of petroleum on udder etc.; and I

should be

> at this point heading for the health food store to get brewyer's yeast as

a

> supplement.  She hates the taste of garlic, so unless you can cook it with

> carrots, eating that is out of the question for at least my horse!

(*wishful

> sigh*  Would help with worms too)

>

>   I know this is more of a human based board, but just by my reading, you

all

> have helped me out in my knowledge and use of herbs greatly.  I also can't

seem

> to find a *good* alternative health/herb based forum for pets.

>

> Thanks in advance!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs for the horse

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 13:21:05 -0400

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One trainer I worked with for many years, (truly a horseman), 

> always bought Palmolive soap, dishwashing detergent.  The green kind. 

 

You can blend in smidges of essential oils before you dilute with water

and wash down the horse. You might consider citronella for flies  and

lavender which is somewhat repellent to moths, and smaller amounts of any

of the citrus oils.  ( You might like it for yourself. I asked one of my

"people" dermatologists who said it was gentle) For me, I like tea tree

oil, but I am not a horse dealing with flies, but it is helpful to me.



Marcia



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs for the horse

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 13:28:27 -0400

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On Fri, 18 May 2001 10:13:05 -0400 <cometa@worldnet.att.net> writes:

> Sent to the herblist by cometa@worldnet.att.net :

> > 

> 

> >

> >   I've been using alternative treatments on my horse and pets for 

> sometime now, > > but it's the time of year for bugs again.  Any

thoughts on how to 

> deter > them,...> >   So far, my regimine includes spraying body with

ACV; putting an 

> Avon> > citronella oil product around ears and eyes, throat, etc.; t

> > supplement. 



She hates the taste of garlic, so unless you can cook 

> it with > carrots, eating that is out of the question for at least my

horse!



One of the B-Complex fractions was supposed to be helpful for people

repelling insects.

Was it B-1, maybe?   Pills can be crushed; powdered form from capsules (

or in bulk if you can get it) can be mixed into feed.   Garlic can be

obtained in powdered form also, and the aromatics mightn't overwhelm the

horse.



Good luck,

Marcia



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Herbs for the horse

From: "LJS Doody" <ldoody@internetcds.com>

Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:06:20 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by LJS Doody <ldoody@internetcds.com> :



heres what my very horsey-herbal friend has to say on the matter:



"Well, flys and such are pesky things for livestock. I have always been

intrigued with the tree called, Kentucky Coffee tree (Gymnoclaudius d.)--it

is suppose to have major fly killing properties but the drawback is the tree

is hard to find and is not sold commercially, I know of.  Also, elder leaves

are said to repel insects too.  My experimental natural insecticide would

consist of infusing Kentucky coffee tree & elder leaves in a cheap veg oil

solution (probably cut with isopropyl alcohol) for a few weeks and then

trying it as a topical spray.  In livestock texts both plants are said to be

toxic to livestock, but this is in the context of consumption. I would think

it would be safe as a topical spray.  Hey, any insecticide would be toxic if

consumed, no?"



hope this adds to the debate



Lizzie



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs for the horse

From: "Lory Ann Smith" <GypsyLass@rmi.net>

Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:02:07 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Lory Ann Smith <GypsyLass@rmi.net> :



You might try some lavender & patchouli essential oils mixed with

olive oil to repel the nasty winged things - it works well on people.

For the bites, try making some dandelion salve. I have a recipe if you

need one. This got a lot of use when I taught Vacation Bible School in

VT - very humid & buggy there.

Lory



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs for the horse

From: Jeanette Johnson <rej@cpinternet.com>

Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 06:28:28 -0500

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That recipe would be wodnerful Lory Anne!!!  Thank you thank you!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs for the horse

From: "Lory Ann Smith" <GypsyLass@rmi.net>

Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 06:52:33 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Lory Ann Smith <GypsyLass@rmi.net> :



>> That recipe would be wodnerful Lory Anne!!!  Thank you thank you!<<



This is my basic recipe for salve.

Use dandelion root for the herb - either fresh or dried will do. It

also works on poison ivy & allergic reaction type hives. Every time I

weed my hollyhocks my arms itch like crazy & this stops it

immediately. I have also combined the dandelion with echinacea root &

St. John's Wort oil for bee stings. Hope this helps.  Lory



Basic salve recipe:  1 oz. herb   1 oz. wine   8 oz. olive oil    1

oz. beeswax

   Mix herb and wine in non-metal saucepan (I use glass) and add oil.

Cook till wine is evaporated (Bubbles no longer rising on sides of

pan - this is why I like glass). Strain and cool very slightly, then

add beeswax and stir, using wooden spoon, over med. heat till melted.

Remove from heat and beat with wooden spoon till cool and thick. One

of those thawing trays works great as it cools from the bottom. Also,

we made a wooden skewer wisk that fits in the chuck of an electric

drill to speed up the whipping process - use it on low speed. If using

essential oils instead of herb,melt beeswax in plain olive oil and

whip till cool and thick - then add essential oils - how much depends

on what you are using and what you want it for.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs for the horse

From: "JIM CALLAWAY" <twelco12@email.msn.com>

Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:48:22 -0500

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.  My experimental natural insecticide would

> consist of infusing Kentucky coffee tree & elder leaves in a cheap veg oil

> solution (probably cut with isopropyl alcohol) for a few weeks and then

> trying it as a topical spray



I have a Kentucky Coffee Tree, as well as plenty of elder. Shall we use the

leaves of the coffee tree

or the "beans" ?

It occurs to me to make the preparation with cider vinegar as a menstruum.

What do you think ?



James Callaway / Twelve Corners



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs for the horse

From: Doug <polo@ccp.com>

Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:31:10 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Doug Ahart <polo@ccp.com> :



Veronca,

         The author of the book, "A Modern Horse Herbal" is by Hilary P. Self.

It can be purchased at most any current book store by special order as well 

as online at Amazon, etc.



Doug A.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re:tonsils

From: Christa Maria <cmaria@triton.net>

Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:02:19 -0400

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My daughter would get tonsilitis often.

Used a squirt of swedish bitters on them immediately upon her

complaining about a sore throat and very often that took care of it.

She hated the taste of it in the beginning, but than got used to it.

C-M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: tonsils

From: "rochelle" <rochelle@ntlworld.com>

Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 00:38:01 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by rochelle <rochelle@ntlworld.com> :



I had polio in 1957 and also still have my tonsils!!



For tonsillitis and sore throats I make up a gargle of Echinacea, Calendula

and  Hypericum. Apparently it works a treat!!



Regards, Rochelle

www.rochellemarsden.co.uk



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Source for wild carrot seed?

From: "Kerry's Herbals" <jclarke2@uswest.net>

Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:02:33 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :



Does anyone know of a source in the US to buy wild carrot seed (aka: Queen

Anne's Lace)? I'm trying to locate some for someone who uses it as a

contraceptive.



Thanks!



Kerry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.KerrysHerbals.com

Miracle Salve, herbal tinctures, essential oils and more!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Source for wild carrot seed?

From: "Heidi Scholes" <hscholes1@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:21:33 -0400

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Kerry,

If you don't have any luck locating it, let me know and I will save you some

this fall.



Heidi Scholes



----- Original Message ----- >

> Does anyone know of a source in the US to buy wild carrot seed (aka: Queen

> Anne's Lace)? I'm trying to locate some for someone who uses it as a

> contraceptive.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Source for wild carrot seed?

From: "mjw" <fia@bitterroot.net>

Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:59:16 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by julie <fia@bitterroot.net> :



Kerry,



Horizon Herbs (nci), (www.chatlink.com/~herbseed ,  (541) 846-6233), lists

Daucus carota (wild carrot aka Queen Anne's Lace) in their catolog.



Julie

Root Laughter Herbals

www.rootlaughter.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Source for wild carrot seed?

From: Elizabeth Scotten <timelesstree@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:00:19 -0400

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on 5/18/01 11:02 AM, Kerry's Herbals at jclarke2@uswest.net wrote:



> Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :

> 

> Does anyone know of a source in the US to buy wild carrot seed (aka: Queen

> Anne's Lace)? I'm trying to locate some for someone who uses it as a

> contraceptive.



Ryan Drum sells it. Excellent quality from a wonderful herbalist. I believe

you have to write him via snail mail. he also has amazingly delicious kelp -

several different species. (nci)



ISLAND HERBS - Ryan Drum

P.O. Box 25

Waldron Island, WA 98927-0025



-bek

-- 

bek@timelessremedies.com

http://www.timelessremedies.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE: Source for wild carrot seed?

From: "Demetria" <demetria@demetria.com>

Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:07:10 -0400

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You can also contact him at

www.planeteartheducationcenter.com



Goddess Garden~ Where Herbs are our Heartsong~

http://www.demetria.com

Heart of Herbs

http://www.heartofherbs.com

Herbal Correspondence, Apprenticeships and Workshops

 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Source for wild carrot seed?

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:39:58 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by May Terry <mterry@snet.net> :



Kerry's Herbals wrote:



> Does anyone know of a source in the US to buy wild carrot seed (aka: Queen

> Anne's Lace)? I'm trying to locate some for someone who uses it as a

> contraceptive.



Do you mean she uses the seed as a contraceptive, or Queen Anne's Lace itself?

Sure is plentiful around here.



May

--

Every step you take on earth should be a prayer. The power of a pure and good

soul is in every person's heart and will grow as a seed as you walk in a sacred

manner.   -----Charmaine White Face of the Oglala Lakota



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Source for wild carrot seed?

From: Elizabeth Scotten <timelesstree@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:52:17 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Elizabeth Scotten <timelesstree@earthlink.net> :



on 5/18/01 6:39 PM, May Terry at mterry@snet.net wrote:

 

>> Does anyone know of a source in the US to buy wild carrot seed (aka: Queen

>> Anne's Lace)? I'm trying to locate some for someone who uses it as a

>> contraceptive.

> 

> Do you mean she uses the seed as a contraceptive, or Queen Anne's Lace itself?

> Sure is plentiful around here.



The seed is used by some as a contraceptive.



-bek



-- 

bek@timelessremedies.com

http://www.timelessremedies.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: RE:Dandelion salve with wine

From: "Sarah Head" <sarah@headology.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 18:03:55 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by Sarah J Head <sarah@headology.co.uk> :



Thanks for the recipe, Lory Ann - I'll have to give it a try. Just got to

gear myself up to dig the dandelion roots!



What does the wine do to the roots? I've not seen a salve recipe with wine

in before. Does it matter what kind of wine? Could you use cider or wine

vinegar instead?



Best wishes



Sarah



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: RE:Dandelion salve with wine

From: "Lory Ann Smith" <GypsyLass@rmi.net>

Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:33:03 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Lory Ann Smith <GypsyLass@rmi.net> :



>> What does the wine do to the roots? I've not seen a salve recipe

with wine in before. Does it matter what kind of wine? Could you use

cider or wine vinegar instead?<<



The wine seems to help pull the medicinal properties from the herbs

... maybe like making tinctures with alcohol.  For me, it also ensures

that I simmer it long enough. I tend to get impatient, but if I leave

alcohol/water in it, it spoils, so I need to just let it cook. I

usually use the cheapest dry white wine I can find. Never tried

anything else, so I can't say if vinegar would work.

Lory



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Something to ponder

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:27:24 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>More than one person has died in Arizona because of a Hanta virus 

>from deer mouse droppings, and it is very possible that mice in other 

>places could have this or similar viruses. Not an urban ledgend.

>Sharon in Tucson (where we have gotten the public health warnings on 

>handling rodent droppings)



However, completely off-topic to this list. So don't post more in this vein,

please.



Unless some of you know why some catch the virus and others don't? Or want to

specify his/her immune system stimulating herbal protocol.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland     http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, pics, database, neat stuff, archives...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Something to ponder

From: "Scott Carlton" <carlton@mcn.net>

Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 15:05:10 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Scott Carlton <carlton@mcn.net> :



Point taken.  Though I've not tried it, a post-exposure smudge in a small

enclosed area of basil (tulsi) and Artemesia tridentata or related species

might be of benefit for the anti-bacterial, anti-viral effect as well as the

generally spiritual cleansing effect.  In this case the airborne route

suggests using inhalation as a route of administration if immediately

post-exposure from my point of view. I wonder if creosote bush (Larrea

tridentata) might also be of benefit in post-exposure circumstances?



In the before circumstance...do not disturb anything until wearing

protective mask, gloves and clothing....even for "simple" clean-ups of

rat/mouse infested areas.



There are a number of very potent formulations that are used in extreme

circumstances, but only very experienced herbal practitioners should apply

them due to their toxicity.



Aliceann

********************************************



Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



<snip>

Henriette writes:



However, completely off-topic to this list. So don't post more in this vein,

please.



Unless some of you know why some catch the virus and others don't? Or want

to

specify his/her immune system stimulating herbal protocol.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Something to ponder

From: Elizabeth Scotten <timelesstree@earthlink.net>

Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:32:00 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Elizabeth Scotten <timelesstree@earthlink.net> :



> There are a number of very potent formulations that are used in extreme

> circumstances, but only very experienced herbal practitioners should apply

> them due to their toxicity.



Aliceann -



I am curious. can you share? I am living in tulerimia central (don't mind

the spelling please, i'm not awake yet). We had 9 cases on the island last

year - all landscapers and seeing as that's what i'm doing, it would be nice

to get ideas on how to deal with it naturally.



blessings - bek



-- 

bek@timelessremedies.com

http://www.timelessremedies.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Something to ponder

From: "Scott Carlton" <carlton@mcn.net>

Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:46:41 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Scott Carlton <carlton@mcn.net> :



Hello Elizabeth,



The formulations I alluded to are usually called bhasmas and are composed of

metals and minerals such as gold, silver, and copper, pearl etc....each of

which can be very dangerous.  They are turned to ash and treated with other

herbs as many as 40 or more times before being used.  It can take months to

prepare them.  I have not been taught these remedies, but they are used in

India for extreme cases of central pathway (deep) disease.



With Tularemia on your island it sounds like the host

population...particularly ticks and rabbits need to be decreased somehow for

vector control.  You are high risk for exposure which can be through fluids,

airborne and indirect contact from what I understand of the transmission

routes.  Your work is an open door for this in spite of the wonderful type

of work you do.  There are two types of Tularemia as far as I am

aware...both can be pretty harsh.  Of the two the type that is glandular is

more serious as you probably know.  So in terms of protection and healing,

mechanical barriers such as work gloves and avoiding touching your face with

hands that have been in the soil would be important...a mask of some kind

for dusty areas or projects would be a help.



Herbs that clean lymph and improve oxygenation would be my first choice...

Schizandra, hibiscus, manjista ( a type of madder) all are good for this as

is jasmine with mint for lymph cleansing and rasa (lymph) circulation.

Obviously showering and sudsing and rinsing etc are important as well.



I'm sure others have ideas as well along these lines as the herb choices are

numerous.



Peace to you and good health!



Aliceann



----- Original Message -----

From: Elizabeth Scotten

To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:32 AM

Subject: Re: Something to ponder



Sent to the herblist by Elizabeth Scotten <timelesstree@earthlink.net> :



> There are a number of very potent formulations that are used in extreme

> circumstances, but only very experienced herbal practitioners should apply

> them due to their toxicity.



Aliceann -



I am curious. can you share? I am living in tulerimia central (don't mind

the spelling please, i'm not awake yet). We had 9 cases on the island last

year - all landscapers and seeing as that's what i'm doing, it would be nice

to get ideas on how to deal with it naturally.



blessings - bek



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Fw: Herbs for the horse

From: "LJS Doody" <ldoody@internetcds.com>

Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:04:37 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by LJS Doody <ldoody@internetcds.com> :



james, more from my horsey friend:



the idea is that veg. oil is in the mixture so that the spray would not

easily evaporate off of the horse's hide.  You would need alcohol to cut the

oil.  Vinegar would not work for this. If you wanted to try it in vinegar as

a temporary experiment, I see no harm, but usually water based fly sprays

are very fleeting in effect unlike the oil/petro based ones.



Lizzie



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: herbs for the hosre

From: "LJS Doody" <ldoody@internetcds.com>

Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:29:39 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by LJS Doody <ldoody@internetcds.com> :



James - you need the leaves for insecticide purposes



Lizzie 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Menopausal Issues

From: Susan Strasser <strasser@udel.edu>

Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:16:54 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Susan Strasser <sustras@attglobal.net> :



Hi -- I'm a long-time list member who mostly lurks.  In the past few months I have

become noticeably menopausal; I'm 53, so this is hardly unexpected.  Lots of hot

flashes, but I'd been having some of those over the past year or so, and they are

not so alarming to me that I'd go to a doctor.  (Especially the one I have been

using, who wanted to put me on some kind of HRT without my even complaining about

symptoms, though there is much cancer [not breast] in my family.)  But now also

noticeable vaginal dryness and pain with intercourse; the former is at this point

more psychologically disturbing than physically uncomfortable, but the latter is

alarming to both me and my husband, and I hope to do something about it.



My diet includes frequent (if not completely regular) soy and flaxseed.  Since the

hot flashes started, I have put myself on a combination of vitex, black cohosh,

motherwort, sage, St. John'swort, and dandelion, and have been drinking oatstraw tea

and infusion. This seems to be helping with the hot flashes and with mood stuff.

But now more flashes, and with the dryness I suppose I should cut out the sage?



For the dryness and vaginal atrophy, Susun Weed recommends both comfrey and wild

yam, vaginal application of salve or ointment.  A couple of days ago I bought what

seems to be a high-quality wild yam cream and I have been alternating its use with

some home-made comfrey root salve.  This combination quickly made a difference in

the dryness; we haven't had a chance to test the other yet.  But recent warnings on

this list about comfrey, and my sense of inadequate knowledge about messing with my

hormones, make me uncomfortable depending on this regimen as a long-term solution

without some advice from people more knowledgeable than I.  I'm eager to hear what

you all think.



Thanks -

Susan Strasser

strasser@udel.edu



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Brewyers Yeast

From: Jeanette Johnson <rej@cpinternet.com>

Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:56:07 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Jeanette Johnson <rej@cpinternet.com> :



*still trying to find that good herbal horse forum*



Does anyone have any idea how much Brewyer's Yeast a human should have a day?

What would be safe for a horse?



Thanks again for the help!



(P.S.  someone recomended a group, but I couldn't find it)



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Brewyers Yeast

From: Doug <polo@ccp.com>

Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:34:22 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Doug Ahart <polo@ccp.com> :



Jeanette,

         William Tyznik, phd, a noted equine nutritionist recomends 4-5 

pounds of brewer's yeast per ton of feed or 1-2 teaspoons per horse 

daily.  I plan to have an equine herbal site going in the next 30 days; I 

don't know of any other forum at the moment.



Doug





Doug  A.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Brewyers Yeast

From: "chris coughlan" <gherbalistco@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 06:25:59 -0000

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Sent to the herblist by chris coughlan <gherbalistco@hotmail.com> :



>Does anyone have any idea how much Brewyer's Yeast a human should have a 

>day?

>What would be safe for a horse?



>>>The thing to keep in mind about brewyer's yeast is that it is a food not 

>>>a supplyment. Its like trying to figure out how many spinach leaves you 

>>>should eat for amemia. You don't. It is just something that you add into 

>>>the diet. Have you ever tasted brewyer's yeast. Its terrible. Ya I know, 

>>>taste doesnt matter if it good for you right, wrong. Try it, even if it 

>>>is debittered. You'll see.

The biggest thing is why do you want to use it?

For the B vit's right. Well you are not ging to to be curing anything with 

it so add it in slowly. I find depending on the person anywhere around 1/4 

to 2 TBSP of debittered brewyer's a day is good. If you can handle that. 

Remember you may get a mild flush.

For a horse( depending on what your trying to achieve) 1/8 to 2/3 of a cup 

might give them a boost in thier stride.  But it is the whats, whys, and 

hows(it not cheep!For the good stuff) you have to think about



Chris Coughlan



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Brewyers Yeast

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net>

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 08:54:25 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net> :



Call up some big animal vets until you find one with some knowledge. 

What  I have found is that usually vets know more about diet , herbs 

and supplements.  Because there are so many animal studies out there 

to improve condition/ production...so most take this as a mater of 

course that these things work and often have a heads up on the 

counter-indicated things as well. Might even have some good 

references for you to learn from. Sharon in Tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Brewyers Yeast (Brewers yeast?)

From: mango <j.kolling@chello.nl>

Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 01:52:12 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by mango <j.kolling@chello.nl> :



Isn't it "Brewers yeast" ? The 'by-product of beer-brewing' ?

Anyway... of brewers yeast you can take fairly large amounts... 3 times 20 grams

is nothing much... what the maximum would be is very hard to say, but it's not

toxic, so it can be a whole lot.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: bhasmas

From: "Phosphor" <phosphor@hotkey.net.au>

Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:01:17 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Phosphor <phosphor@hotkey.net.au> :



> The formulations I alluded to are usually called bhasmas and are composed

of

> metals and minerals such as gold, silver, and copper, pearl etc....each of

> which can be very dangerous.



are these bhasmas available commerically in the west or do you know a

reliable Indian source?



Andrew



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: bhasmas

From: "Scott Carlton" <carlton@mcn.net>

Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:31:02 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by Scott Carlton <carlton@mcn.net> :



Hello Andrew,



My understanding is that the bhasma formulations cannot be imported to the

US.  I don't know about Australia.  I found several web addresses upon

entering a search word "bhasma" on the Net.  It looked like they might also

be involved in sales but I didn't check them out and don't know anything

about them.  Please let me know if you discover anything.  By the way, I did

include pearl as one of the minerals used in making bhasma formulas....it is

not toxic as you probably know, but I wanted to include it as one of the

example substances used.  It is important to understand they are used with

many herbs and in repeated combinations before being finalized as a

formulation.



In general, I don't think use of bhasma formulations is something to be

taken lightly or without Ayurvedic consultation because they are usually

reserved for very specific and deep seated conditions.



Hope this information is helpful to you.



Best regards, Aliceann



----- Original Message -----

From: Phosphor

To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:01 AM

Subject: Re: bhasmas



Sent to the herblist by Phosphor <phosphor@hotkey.net.au> :



> The formulations I alluded to are usually called bhasmas and are composed

of

> metals and minerals such as gold, silver, and copper, pearl etc....each of

> which can be very dangerous.



are these bhasmas available commerically in the west or do you know a

reliable Indian source?



Andrew



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Barrett's esophagus

From: "chris" <manta@localline.com>

Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:13:13 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by manta@localline.com :



My Husband has just been diagnosed with Barrett's Esophagus.  It is a

pre-cancer change in the lining of the esophagus cells, most often caused by

acid reflux.  So far the cells are not in the displasia stage yet.  The

doctors say the biggest challenge now is to get the acid under control.  Any

suggestions?  Is anyone familiar with this disease?  Elaine



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Barrett's esophagus

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 23:31:52 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by marcia v grossbard <ngbard@juno.com> :



On Fri, 25 May 2001 10:13:13 -0500 "chris" <manta@localline.com> writes:

> Sent to the herblist by manta@localline.com :

... Barrett's Esophagus.  It is  a  pre-cancer change in the lining of

the esophagus cells, most often 

> caused by acid reflux.  So far the cells are not in the displasia stage

yet.  

>... now is to get the acid under  control.  Any suggestions?  Is anyone

familiar with this disease?  

Elaine



Acid can be dissolved with lots of drinking water. Baking soda is

amphoteric, but I do not know how to apply it ( ? small amounts in

drinking water? made into some kind of lozenge with helpful materials?)  



Aloe vera  gel (not whole herb) capsules or juice for drinking or

gargling can be healing.  Slippery elm is comforting to the stomach which

refluxed that acid.   There was a thread on this a year ago or so.



Coffee and cola beverages would be irritating, as well as tobacco smoke. 

Charcoal adsorbs all kinds of toxins, but it shouldn't be used

indiscriminately, because it can leach out nutrients that the body has

just produced from food that were need for resistance.   Potato baked,

boiled, steamed or mashed perhaps with yogurt to adsorb/absorb and have

the acidophilus in the yogurt eat up acid, might be helpful and there may

be other root vegetables that have similar properties.   Marshmallow

decoction dissolved in water as a beverage for hydration may also be

helpful.



Good luck and good health to you and yours,

Marcia



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Medicinal Herbalism and Astrology

From: "Stephen Pointer" <steve.pointer@zoom.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 09:43:56 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by Stephen Pointer <stephen.pointer@zoom.co.uk> :



Hello



After reading Culpepers Herbal and looking at Vedic Herbalism I have begun

to wonder about the use of astrology + the humors and as used by the greeks.

Does anybody have personal experience of this or know of places I can find

more information.



Kind Regards

Steve Pointer

--

"Love the world and the world will be your friend, protect you from harm and

tell you her secrets."



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Medicinal Herbalism and Astrology

From: "Phosphor" <phosphor@hotkey.net.au>

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 18:56:07 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Phosphor <phosphor@hotkey.net.au> :



>

> After reading Culpepers Herbal and looking at Vedic Herbalism I have begun

> to wonder about the use of astrology + the humors and as used by the

greeks.

> Does anybody have personal experience of this or know of places I can find

> more information.

>

culpepper: a good book by Graeme Tobyn 'Culpepper's Medicine.' but the

astrology side makes no sense to me.



Andrew



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Medicinal Herbalism and Astrology

From: polo@ccp.com

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 10:03:09 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Doug Ahart <polo@ccp.com> :



I agree that Culpepper is the major book with the astrology link.  I have a 

University degree in the Agricultural sciences and I am a skeptic at heart. 

But there is some truth in astrological dates as applied to the harvesting 

cycles of agricultural. My grandfather and his fathers before him found it 

to work more than not.  There is something there, even if it doesn't merit 

modern scientific logic.



Doug



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Medicinal Herbalism and Astrology

From: Elizabeth Scotten <timelesstree@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:05:38 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Elizabeth Scotten <timelesstree@earthlink.net> :



>> Does anybody have personal experience of this or know of places I can find

>> more information.



try www.athenasweb.com.  Don doesn't say much about herbalism there but i

know that he's done a bit of research in that department and if you e-mail

him he might be able to send you in the right direction. His wife was Gail

Ulrich (may she rest in peace) of Blazing Star Herbal School. They designed

an astrological herb garden and he's researched the herbal aspects of

astrology as well as astrological and numerological aspects of the bible.



Very knowledgeable and wonderful fellow.



-bek



-- 

bek@timelessremedies.com

http://www.timelessremedies.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: R: Medicinal Herbalism and Astrology

From: "marco valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:26:38 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it> :



<<Hello

After reading Culpepers Herbal and looking at Vedic Herbalism I have begun

to wonder about the use of astrology + the humors and as used by the greeks.

Does anybody have personal experience of this or know of places I can find

more information.

Kind Regards

Steve Pointer>>



Hi Steve,

it is important to remark that Greek 'astrology' is very different from High

Middle Ages astrodinia which in turn is quite different from Culpeper's

Astrology.  The distinction between anstronomy and astrology has been made

only by post-Reinassance and post-Enlightnement philosophers.  There isn't

as such a coherent body of astrology applied to humoral medicine, but many

different understandings of its importance.  Which in itself is quite

intertesting, but makes it difficult for anyone to 'practice' medical

anstrology.  I myself am very interested in it but only for historical

purposes, I am afraid it doesn't make any sense to me now.

Anyhow, if you are looking for secondary texts, you could try Tester, J

(1987) 'A History of western astrology'

Woodbridge, Suffolk, and Thorhdike, L (1923) A history of magic and

experimental science, vol. II.



cheers



marco



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Medicinal Herbalism and Astrology

From: Susan Marynowski <sumar@mail.ifas.ufl.edu>

Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 18:03:11 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Susan Marynowski <sumar@mail.ifas.ufl.edu> :



Steve: You mentioned an interest in the Greek use of humours. If you want

more information about this, please read Peter Holmes' excellent books on

the "Energetics of Western Herbs" (a two-volume set, see his website at

snowlotus.org) (nci), wherein he compares and contrasts Traditional Chinese

Medicine (TCM) energetic approaches with what he calls Traditional Greek

Medicine (TGM) approaches. Very interesting book which also includes a very

complete materia medica wherein herbs are evaluated from both eastern and

western energetic perspectives. Peter recently offered a workshop here in

my town and he is a bit of a curmudgeon, but I think very highly of his

work. His books have been praised by many leading herbalists, and he has

been dismissed by others for reasons I can not discern (jealousy??).

Western energetics have been much lost to us, esp. in the US where the AMA

systematically dismantled our herbal educational and clinical system in the

late 1800s and early 1900s, so I think this is VERY important work. 



As for the astrological aspects, I recommend the "Stella Natura" annual

calendar (published by the Anthroposophic Press, search for website) (nci),

which is the biodynamic agricultural planting and harvesting guide of

choice. This calendar details the daily movements of the moon, sun, and

planets, and sets out the days to work specifically with leaves, flowers,

fruits, and roots. It also sets out some days when you should not work with

any plants, according to the biodynamic tradition. I often coordinate my

herbal wildcrafting and gardening activities with the calendar....or, I

should say, I often look at the calendar to decide where to begin! It helps

to guide me to the appropriate sector of nature's bounty on days when I am

overwhelmed with how many green things are available to me. It also

includes text about various aspects of the biodynamic/astrological approach

to planting and harvesting and the benefits to be derived. Happy reading!

--Susan



>After reading Culpepers Herbal and looking at Vedic Herbalism I have begun

>to wonder about the use of astrology + the humors and as used by the greeks.

>Does anybody have personal experience of this or know of places I can find

>more information.

>

>Kind Regards

>Steve Pointer



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: R: Medicinal Herbalism and Astrology

From: "marco valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:51:04 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it> :



 <<Steve: You mentioned an interest in the Greek use of humours. If you want

more information about this, please read Peter Holmes' excellent books on

the "Energetics of Western Herbs" (a two-volume set, see his website at

snowlotus.org) (nci), wherein he compares and contrasts Traditional Chinese

Medicine (TCM) energetic approaches with what he calls Traditional Greek

Medicine (TGM) approaches. Very interesting book which also includes a very

complete materia medica wherein herbs are evaluated from both eastern and

western energetic perspectives. Peter recently offered a workshop here in

my town and he is a bit of a curmudgeon, but I think very highly of his

work. His books have been praised by many leading herbalists, and he has

been dismissed by others for reasons I can not discern (jealousy??).>>



This suggestion is at least unfair on those that criticised P. Holmes'

recent works, I think with very strong arguments which I share.  If you

think there are vested interests or jealousy behind their criticisn you

should present their position and criticise it yourself.  If you cannot

discern the reasons perhaps some critical reading would help?  P. Holmes

works are impressive pieces of work, surely costed ther author much energy,

but all this doesn't change by one jota my opinion that their are not good

historical works.  And I am not going into this now. :-)



<<Western energetics have been much lost to us, esp. in the US where the AMA

systematically dismantled our herbal educational and clinical system in the

late 1800s and early 1900s, so I think this is VERY important work. >>



The fact that we might feel the need for some historical and philosophical

foundations, the fact that we might feel orphaned, without a traditional

system, whatever desperate need for a 'past' that justifies our practices,

all this does not justifies the historical sleight-of-hand that P. Holmes

makes throughout his works.  Just because we 'need' a link between our past

and TCM, it does not mean there is such a link.



For a serious work done on this subject (comparative history of chinese and

greek scientific thought) , look at Nathan Sivin (Historian of Chinese

Science and Technology) and GER Lloyd (one of the most eminent historian of

Greek thought, based at Cambridge UK) series of monografies.  A most

important work.



Cheers



Marco Valussi



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Buying comfrey

From: Emily Brunson <janissa@odsy.net>

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:47:17 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Emily Brunson <janissa@odsy.net> :



Hi there --



Does anyone know of an online or mailorder business where I could buy 

comfrey plants or seeds?  My local nurseries don't carry it, and I'm having 

a very hard time finding it.



TIA,

Em



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Buying comfrey

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:44:17 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by macphee@net1plus.com :



whereabouts in the world are you?

I sell comfrey roots here in Mass., but do not ship...

I will post this to herb2, as this subject probably best disc'd there.

Joanie



>Does anyone know of an online or mailorder business where I could buy

>comfrey plants or seeds?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Buying comfrey

From: "Bill Wedge" <bwedge@advantagecall.com>

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 17:50:38 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by Bill Wedge <bwedge@advantagecall.com> :



Hi,

If you're in North America,  you could try Richters Herbs,  they have a good

selection.  Their website is www.richters.com

Im pretty sure they ship overseas as well. ;-)

Bill



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Buying comfrey

From: "Rosemari Roast" <walkinthewoods@5Pillars.com>

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 18:37:54 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Rosemari Roast <walkinthewoods@5Pillars.com> :



Response to Emily Brunson <janissa@odsy.net> :



Re: "Does anyone know of an online or mailorder business where I could buy

comfrey plants or seeds?  My local nurseries don't carry it, and I'm having

a very hard time finding it."



Park Seed carries Symphytum Uplandicum.  That is where I got my seed oh so

many years ago!  wedsite: www.parkseed.com



I am sure there are other sources as well.



Good luck!



rose



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Brewers Yeast

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 05:06:59 -0400 (EDT)

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Sent to the herblist by tmueller@bluegrass.net :



from Chris Coughlan:



The biggest thing is why do you want to use it?

For the B vit's right. Well you are not ging to to be curing anything with

it so add it in slowly. I find depending on the person anywhere around 1/4

to 2 TBSP of debittered brewyer's a day is good. If you can handle that.

Remember you may get a mild flush.

(snip)



Nowadays health food stores seem to carry mostly primary nutritional yeast

rather than brewer's yeast.  I remember Vita Food brewer's yeast, always chose

green label (not debittered) over red label (debittered), green-label was only

slightly bitter, would be considered sweet compared to cramp bark, devil's claw,

or wormwood (Artemisia absinthium).



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Herbal Energetics

From: emunah@twelvetribes.com

Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:42:20 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by emunah@twelvetribes.com :



Hi all-

Is anyone here currently using the great little herbal energetics 

chart off of Henrietta's web site? (Sorry if this was already 

discussed, I just got on the list a couple days ago). I've been 

utilizing it some for the folks I've been helping, but had some 

questions about it.....



emunah



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbal Energetics

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:40:20 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



emunah@twelvetribes.com wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>Is anyone here currently using the great little herbal energetics 

>chart off of Henrietta's web site? (Sorry if this was already 

>discussed, I just got on the list a couple days ago). I've been 

>utilizing it some for the folks I've been helping, but had some 

>questions about it.....



Off Michael Moore's site you mean? Yes, I use it.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland     http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, pics, database, neat stuff, archives...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbal Energetics

From: emunah@twelvetribes.com

Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:01:36 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by emunah@twelvetribes.com :



Whoops- I thought I saw your name on the bottom of it-so I was 

thinking I got it off of there...

I really like the chart- but there were some herbs I am using with 

some folks and even as comprehensive as it is, they weren't on it- 

how would I find the energetics for those? 



Also, How does one determine whether a person is in need of 

suppression or stimulation for the parasympathetic and 

sympathetic systems? .....and anabolic stress?



Thanks,

emunah

 



> Off Michael Moore's site you mean? Yes, I use it.

> 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbal Energetics

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:18:10 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



emunah@twelvetribes.com wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>I really like the chart- but there were some herbs I am using with 

>some folks and even as comprehensive as it is, they weren't on it- 

>how would I find the energetics for those? 



Use similar plants as a guideline. Or use the seat of your pants; that's fairly

easy once you've given enough of any given herb to enough people.



>Also, How does one determine whether a person is in need of 

>suppression or stimulation for the parasympathetic and 

>sympathetic systems? .....and anabolic stress?



Have you read Michael's herbal energetics booklet? Available online on his site.

Base your recommendations on that rather than on the energetics charts. 



The charts are (to me) just an addendum to the main work.



... anabolic and catabolic stress can be read off body type, with a little help

from the intake forms' liver responses.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland     http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Herb FAQs, pictures, classic texts, articles, archives, plant names  ...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbal Energetics

From: emunah@twelvetribes.com

Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:21:49 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by emunah@twelvetribes.com :



Well, how did I miss that?  : )  Thanks so much.

So is this the main method of health assessment/evaluation that 

you are using for your folks?



emunah



> Have you read Michael's herbal energetics booklet? Available online on his site.

> Base your recommendations on that rather than on the energetics charts. 



 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbal Energetics

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:04:53 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



emunah@twelvetribes.com wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>Well, how did I miss that?  : )  Thanks so much.

>So is this the main method of health assessment/evaluation that 

>you are using for your folks?



Yes, but that's because I understand it, in detail and in full.



If I didn't, I wouldn't use it as my main input/evaluation.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland     http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Herb FAQs, pictures, classic texts, articles, archives, plant names  ...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: Herbal Energetics

From: Susan Marynowski <sumar@mail.ifas.ufl.edu>

Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:06:58 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by Susan Marynowski <sumar@mail.ifas.ufl.edu> :



Marco: Whoa, I didn't mean to open this can of worms....but I am actually

very glad that SOMEONE (you!) will talk to me about P. Holmes' work! I have

asked a number of well-known herbalists in various public and private

settings about P. Holmes' books and they have all brushed me off or refused

to comment. Critics have been unwilling or unable to tell me exactly what

is their criticism. Because I have asked so many times and been rebuffed so

often without hard and fast information, I have begun to assume that there

is some underlying political or personal reason for the feelings (such as

jealousy might be). 



I am interested in your critique because I would like to better understand

the criticisms of P.H.'s work. As I read it, P.H. is not trying to find

some ancient link between TCM and "TGM," rather he is trying to bring

forward the western energetic tradition and to compare/contrast it with the

highly developed TCM approach. I would agree that his summary of "TGM" may

be somewhat contrived, perhaps even inconsistent, but since this tradition

has been "lost," someone has to start recreating it somewhere.



Thanks so much for the recommended reading -- I will definitely check it

out. And I would appreciate any other knowledge you can share about this --

what can you add about the history of "western" herbal practice? I would

really appreciate your comments! I find this area of exploration very

interesting, as the TCM system does not seem to "fit" my practice and I

think a recreated or historically based "western" energetic system would

work better. I'm not desparately seeking a "past" as much as I am searching

for a better framework for present use.  --Susan



Marco said:

>The fact that we might feel the need for some historical and philosophical

>foundations, the fact that we might feel orphaned, without a traditional

>system, whatever desperate need for a 'past' that justifies our practices,

>all this does not justifies the historical sleight-of-hand that P. Holmes

>makes throughout his works.  Just because we 'need' a link between our past

>and TCM, it does not mean there is such a link.

>

>For a serious work done on this subject (comparative history of chinese and

>greek scientific thought) , look at Nathan Sivin (Historian of Chinese

>Science and Technology) and GER Lloyd (one of the most eminent historian of

>Greek thought, based at Cambridge UK) series of monografies.  A most

>important work.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: herbal energetics chart

From: "Ravenna" <ravenna@netserv.net.au>

Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:38:04 +0800

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Sent to the herblist by Ravenna Morgan <ravenna@netserv.net.au> :



Subject: Re: Herbal Energetics Chart



Greetings,



I've been to Henriette's Michael Moore's site and couldn't find this

interesting sounding chart.



Can someone provide a map please? Do I need a cut lunch?



Blessings,



Ravenna

God/dess grant me the serenity

to accept the things I cannot change.

Courage to change the things I can

and the Wisdom to know the difference.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: herbal energetics chart

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:27:15 +0300

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Sent to the herblist by Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Ravenna" <ravenna@netserv.net.au> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>I've been to Henriette's Michael Moore's site and couldn't find this

>interesting sounding chart.



Let's get this straight.



My site is Henriette's herbal homepage, at http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed .



Michael Moore runs the SWSBM and a website at

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE .



That's two people, keeping two different websites, in two different places.

Sure, he links to me, and sure, I link to him, but I would have thought that the

differing layouts of our respective sites would be some sort of hint to the

fact.



I'm not Michael Moore, and he's not me. We're NOT affiliated. NOT related. NOT

the same.



So. Go to Michael Moore's site, go for his Herb Manuals page, go for the herbal

energetics booklet. That .pdf -file includes the charts.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland     http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Herb FAQs, pictures, classic texts, articles, archives, plant names  ...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: potency testing for echinacea

From: Jennifer Kausch <jan13@sisqtel.net>

Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:13:51 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by jan13@sisqtel.net :



Hello, I have appreciated very much the info I have received from everyone 

the few times I have asked questions the last few years. Here are a couple 

more!  My echinacea angustifolia is ready to harvest this fall and I want 

to get it tested for potency before I try to market it. Does anyone know 

where would be the best place to send it for this purpose? I am on the 

CA/OR border. Also, I might tincture and sell some but have heard that I am 

not allowed to without a liquor license? Is there a separate type of 

license for selling alcoholic tinctures? Thanks for any information. Jennifer



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: potency testing for echinacea

From: "Kerry's Herbals" <jclarke2@uswest.net>

Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:57:32 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :



> Sent to the herblist by jan13@sisqtel.net :

>

> CA/OR border. Also, I might tincture and sell some but have heard that I

am

> not allowed to without a liquor license? Is there a separate type of

> license for selling alcoholic tinctures? Thanks for any information.

Jennifer

>



I imagine this might vary from state to state, but I've never heard of this

where I am (MN). I recently bought a five-gallon container of ethanol, and I

would think that if this is true, there would have been some kind of

restriction on selling it to me in that quantity. Also, since tinctures are

classified as "dietary supplements", I don't see how they could require you

to have a liquor license, which would then imply that the tinctures are

actually beverages. Considering how many small, cottage businesses make and

sell their own tinctures, I'd have to say that what you've heard is false,

or I guess we're all just operating illegally. :-)



Kerry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.KerrysHerbals.com

Miracle Salve, herbal tinctures, essential oils and more!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: potency testing for echinacea

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:04:56 EDT

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In a message dated 5/31/01 12:15:29 AM, jan13@sisqtel.net writes:



<< Hello, I have appreciated very much the info I have received from everyone 

the few times I have asked questions the last few years. Here are a couple 

more!  My echinacea angustifolia is ready to harvest this fall and I want 

to get it tested for potency before I try to market it. Does anyone know 

where would be the best place to send it for this purpose? I am on the 

CA/OR border. Also, I might tincture and sell some but have heard that I am 

not allowed to without a liquor license? Is there a separate type of 

license for selling alcoholic tinctures? Thanks for any information. Jennifer

 >>



I don't have the answer, but have a similar question.  No matter which 

'government' agency I go to I get conflicting answers.  I'd like to make and 

sell my own tinctures, but cannot find out which 'department' it would come 

under, or if or what kind of government oversight I would have to lawfully 

have.  Does anyone have any insight into this?  I am in Wisconsin.  

phebe

ps - I have checked with the local health board, and all of that but as many 

as I ask I get that many different answers.   <groan>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: alcohol & herbs

From: polo@ccp.com

Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:59:32 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Doug Ahart <polo@ccp.com> :



Jennifer,

         I received an email on the subject of late and I am enclosing the 

pertinent part of letter. You may find of interest:



>"There is another method which is designed for manufacturers who are making a

>product that requires consumable non-denatured alcohol, but they aren't

>making an alcohol product. Items like cough syrup or mouthwash which use

>alcohol that could be consumed are covered. In this case, you file your

>formula and apply to qualify as a "Manufacturer of Non-Beverage Product"

>(MNBP). If approved, you purchase consumable alcohol in bulk, paying the

>tax of $13.50 per 100 proof gallon and then get a rebate of $12.50 per 100

>proof gallon back from the ATF. You must keep very accurate records as they

>want to make sure that absolutely not one drop of the alcohol is diverted or

>consumed. In addition to the qualifications with the ATF, you also must meet

>the state regulations as you would be dealing with consumable alcohol. I

>checked into it for Oregon and found that it was cost prohibitive, and the

>regulations, records and inspections were very detailed."



D.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: alcohol & herbs

From: "Kerry's Herbals" <jclarke2@uswest.net>

Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:38:45 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by Kerry L. <jclarke2@uswest.net> :



There's more information about that here:



http://www.atf.treas.gov/alcohol/info/faq/spirits.htm#s5



> Sent to the herblist by Doug Ahart <polo@ccp.com> :

>

> Jennifer,

>          I received an email on the subject of late and I am enclosing the

> pertinent part of letter. You may find of interest:

>

>

>

>

> >"There is another method which is designed for manufacturers who are

making a

> >product that requires consumable non-denatured alcohol, but they aren't

> >making an alcohol product. Items like cough syrup or mouthwash which use

> >alcohol that could be consumed are covered. In this case, you file your

> >formula and apply to qualify as a "Manufacturer of Non-Beverage Product"

> >(MNBP). If approved, you purchase consumable alcohol in bulk, paying the

> >tax of $13.50 per 100 proof gallon and then get a rebate of $12.50 per

100

> >proof gallon back from the ATF. You must keep very accurate records as

they

> >want to make sure that absolutely not one drop of the alcohol is diverted

or

> >consumed. In addition to the qualifications with the ATF, you also must

meet

> >the state regulations as you would be dealing with consumable alcohol. I

> >checked into it for Oregon and found that it was cost prohibitive, and

the

> >regulations, records and inspections were very detailed."

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: plant ID

From: "NIAMH MCGINLEY" <niamh@nmcginley.fsnet.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:31:51 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by Niamh <Niamh@nmcginley.fsnet.co.uk> :



Hello all,



I saw the most gorgeous plant the other day, and my flower keys and I are at

a loss to identify it. Excuse the shoddy description.....if you have seen it

I'm sure you will know it.



The flower was a delicate pink, it reminded me of swans all in a huddle with

their beaks together. Abbout 8 or so little "tubes" that came together into

peaks. I don't think it is a monocot (ruling out orchids) as the leaves were

large and 3 lobed with each lobe having mini lobes like semi circles.



The area was very wild so I don't think it could have been planted or even

seeded to there, and it was growing in semi shade.



There were a few flowers close together on Ithink separate plants, so it

could have a modified stem or root of some sort.



Any ideas? By the way, I'm in England.



Thanks,

Niamh



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: Re: plant ID

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:57:28 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by macphee@net1plus.com :



Niamh,



try *columbine* in a search engine or Aquilegia (Latin genus name)

buttercup family, Ranunculaceae



In *New* England, the wild species is red and yellow, but they do come in

many colors, and I have seen cultivated species in pink naturalized even

here.  Joanie



>The flower was a delicate pink, it reminded me of swans all in a huddle

with

>their beaks together. Abbout 8 or so little "tubes" that came together into

>peaks. I don't think it is a monocot (ruling out orchids) as the leaves

were

>large and 3 lobed with each lobe having mini lobes like semi circles.

>The area was very wild <>and it was growing in semi shade.<>

>Any ideas? By the way, I'm in England.





