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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Cordyceps

From: hkobayas <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu>

Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:13:11 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Hideka Kobayashi" <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu> :



I don't claim to be an expert on this. My knowledge on Cordyceps is quite 

limited.



<My question is:  If Cordyceps is a fungus, isn't it still plant material,

even though it grows on an insect?>



I do not know the herbalism interpretation of Cordyceps, but botanically 

speaking, no, fungi are not "plants." The five kingdom system seemed to be the 

most prevalent/accepted despite some "problems (e.g., Oomycetes). Fungi (or 

most fugal species in a traditional sense) belong to its own kingdom, Mycota. 

Plants belong to its own kingdom, Planta. Those are two separate kingdoms.



<I have heard of vegetarian sourced Cordyceps. I am not sure if this 

negatively effcts the value but it is worth consideration for those that are 

vegetarian.>



While I was checking on this, I found some web pages that mentioned that there 

is some strain of the fungus that can be cultured on soybean based medium. And 

supposedly, products out of cultured mycelia have the same effect. So, I would 

say, they can be considered to be "vegetarian sourced." 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Cordyceps

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net>

Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 00:02:33 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Sharon Hodges-Rust" <mwherbs@dshome.net> :



ok I found a few web pages on cordyceps



this one is a monograph it has a picture 

http://www.healthlink.com.au/nat_lib/htm-data/htm-herb/bhp938.htm



here is a web site that has a couple of pictures of different types 

of cordyceps



http://www.wisc.edu/botany/fungi/jan98.html



here is another picture of a different type that grows in Norway, 

they have it sitting on some plantain and also has a clickable 

reference to a "family tree"

http://www.uio.no/conferences/imc7/NFotm99/August99.htm



sharon in tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Cordyceps

From: Jim <waldpond@interbaun.com>

Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:58:33 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Jim" <waldpond@interbaun.com> :



>My question is:  If Cordyceps is a fungus, isn't it still plant material,

>even though it grows on an insect?

 

When you buy it at traditional herb shops you get the fungus and the larva

carcass that the fungus has consumed the interior of, but not the exterior. 

The carcass is usually a yellow brown, the fungus is almost black.  The larva

has legs, etc.



>I have heard of vegetarian sourced Cordyceps. I am not sure if this

>negatively effcts the value but it is worth consideration for those that are

>vegetarian.



I have not heard of this.  I am curious what they grow it on.  Or do they just

make a decoction of the fungus plus larva carcass, dry it, and sell the powder

as "vegetarian"?   The latter is how most good Chinese prepared Cordyceps pills

are made, I think.



Jim 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: circulation problems

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:51:31 -0500 (EST)

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> i've read some old farmer's books recommending sprinkling cayenne in socks or

  shoes.  If you have allergenic problems, I'd be careful....

  how about trying some ginger?

  phebe



Phebe/herbmednurse,



Would that use of ginger be internal or topical?  I use ginger in cooking much

of the time, though not always, but probably not enough.



from "Greg Patch" <patch@berkshire.net> :



> If you haven't yet, you may want to look into Prickly Ash Zanthoxylum sp.

  It addresses peripheal circulation, through nerves, lungs, heart and

  circulation. Effects similar to Cayenne, but not in the nightshades.



> Greg



Do you mean bark or berries?  Prickly ash berries look like Sichuan pepper,

which belongs to the same genus (Zanthoxylum piperitum), though I like prickly

ash berries (Zanthoxylum clava-herculis) better.  Prickly ash, citrus and rue

belong to family Rutaceae.



What about black or white pepper (Piper nigrum) or cubeb (Piper cubeba)?  I

recently bought a bag (7 oz) "Kabab Chine" from a recently opened Indian grocery

store, mainly for the respiratory system, and it looked like cubeb.  Cubeb seems

less likely to irritate the respiratory system than black or white pepper.

Family is Piperaceae.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: circulation problems

From: greg patch <patch@berkshire.net>

Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:09:55 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by "Greg Patch" <patch@berkshire.net> :



>from "Greg Patch" <patch@berkshire.net> :

>

>> If you haven't yet, you may want to look into Prickly Ash Zanthoxylum sp.

>  It addresses peripheal circulation, through nerves, lungs, heart and

>  circulation. Effects similar to Cayenne, but not in the nightshades.



>from "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>



>Do you mean bark or berries?  Prickly ash berries look like Sichuan pepper,

>which belongs to the same genus (Zanthoxylum piperitum), though I like prickly

>ash berries (Zanthoxylum clava-herculis) better.  Prickly ash, citrus and rue

>belong to family Rutaceae.

>

>What about black or white pepper (Piper nigrum) or cubeb (Piper cubeba)?  I

>recently bought a bag (7 oz) "Kabab Chine" from a recently opened Indian

>grocery

>store, mainly for the respiratory system, and it looked like cubeb.  Cubeb

>seems

>less likely to irritate the respiratory system than black or white pepper.

>Family is Piperaceae.

>



Either bark or berry, the bark being mildly astringing,  Zanthoxylum

clava-hercules, internally as tincture, decoction  or capsule. Foot bath

may be appropriate.



Greg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: circulation problems

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 03:35:35 -0500 (EST)

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Sent to the herblist by tmueller@bluegrass.net :



> You could persevere with ginger. Tilia increases circulation to the limbs.

  Horseradish might be worth trying too. Mustard is another one, try mixing

  mustard powder with talc or flour and sprinkling in your shoes- but go easy

  to begin with!



> Namh



Which tilia do you mean?  Tilia europaea (linden)?  I wouldn't have known that

was supposed to increase circulation.  Would horseradish be used externally or

internally, or both?  I think mustard can blister the skin if the user is not

careful.  I use whole mustard seeds in cooking, they seem to have some effect,

but not really enough, though more than cayenne or ginger.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: circulation problems

From: "Niamh" <niamh@nmcginley.fsnet.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:04:00 -0000

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Sent to the herblist by "Niamh" <Niamh@nmcginley.fsnet.co.uk> :



Thomas Yes,



Tilia spp. Linden. It does increase circulation to the limbs, maybe you

could use it for tea instead of the usual for a few months and see?



Horseradish can be used internally and externally although like garlic

mustard et al will blister your skin if you are not careful. you would never

do it neat, for example.



You could experiment with the mustard tho, just start by adding a small bit

to whatever powder you carry it in, sprinkle it by the toes of your shoes,

and wear your socks. Experiment. If you are not getting along with hot

things, maybe gingko is worth looking into?



Hydrotherapy might help too, I don't know wha t techniques stimulate poor

circulation., but there is bound to be some.



Namh



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: circulation problems

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 02:59:12 -0500 (EST)

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Sent to the herblist by tmueller@bluegrass.net :



> Tilia spp. Linden. It does increase circulation to the limbs, maybe you

  could use it for tea instead of the usual for a few months and see?



> Horseradish can be used internally and externally although like garlic

  mustard et al will blister your skin if you are not careful. you would never

  do it neat, for example.



> You could experiment with the mustard tho, just start by adding a small bit

  to whatever powder you carry it in, sprinkle it by the toes of your shoes,

  and wear your socks. Experiment. If you are not getting along with hot

  things, maybe gingko is worth looking into?



> Hydrotherapy might help too, I don't know wha t techniques stimulate poor

  circulation., but there is bound to be some.



> Namh



I remember using Tilia europaea (Linden) blossoms, beginning April 1997, didn't

notice any particular effect on circulation.  I don't really remember how much

I used during the following November and subsequent winter.  Motivation was

seeing linden as an ingredient, along with angelica root, thyme, peppermint and

a few others, in cough drops.  I remember linden in a mixed herbal brew made

other strong flavors, including bitter, less noticeable.  I remember later

seeing Henriette's messages to the effect that dried linden blossoms tended to

be weak, nothing to compare to the fresh version.



Mustard I have is whole seeds, which I use in cooking, am reluctant to grind

into powder.  Is mustard what gives prepared mustard its flavor, or is it

turmeric or other spice?  I always hated prepared mustard, the yellow condiment

that comes in jars.



Should horseradish be taken cooked or raw?  Naturally it would be mixed with

other food, not taken straight.  I would never attempt to eat raw garlic or raw

onion straight.  So I guess rubbing the cut surface of raw horseradish on the

skin can cause blisters?



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: circulation problems

From: "Bill Jacobson" <williamj@nac.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:01:10 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "William Jacobson" <williamj@nac.net> :



There are two kinds of mustard seeds, yellow and brown.  THe inside of both

is bright yellow. THe mustards with the half cracked brown seeds are

brownish-beige, whereas yellow mustard seed powdered makes a yellow mustard.

But not the brilliant yellow of some prepared mustards made with tumeric.



if you live near a chinese grocery store you can buy powdered mustard very

cheaply.  Most  American stores only carry the expensive English stuff in

tins.



Whatever, all you do is mix the powder with water, as you need it.  It is

extremely hot at first, but if left in a pot, like a mustard pot, it mellows

down with age, depending upon your taste.  Also you can dampen the heat a

little by using white wine instead of water.  Some people add horseradish

also.  I like both, but separately.  As a condiment, I usually mix mine up

in one of those ceramic jars that Djon mustard comes in, with a lid and

spoon.  Was a  gift once, but since then I have just refilled it with my

own.  A pot lasts about a month, just sitting on my table.



Bill



>Mustard I have is whole seeds, which I use in cooking, am reluctant to

grind

>into powder.  Is mustard what gives prepared mustard its flavor, or is it

>turmeric or other spice?  I always hated prepared mustard, the yellow

condiment

>that comes in jars.

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: circulation problems

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:28:58 -0500 (EST)

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from "Niamh" <Niamh@nmcginley.fsnet.co.uk> :



> tilia was probably included in your cough mix by virtue of its traditional

  use as a diaphoretic in colds and bronchitis etc rather than any action

  directly related to the cough. The reason it breaks temperatures and fevers

  is because it is a relaxant, opening up the blood vessels and thereby

  promoting perspiration at the skin. This is related to its use in

  hypertension too. The action seems to be out (to the periphery) rather than

  up (to the head). If you want to use it, make hot infusions and make it part

  of your everyday life, not a short cut. Are you taking hawthorn, sorry I

  can'tremember.



I used Tilia europaea (linden) flowers for a time, was directed toward asthma,

never thought of any opening up of peripheral blood vessels.  Interest faded

away, I wasn't really convinced, now what I have left is no doubt pass.



There are two species or varieties of hawthorn that grow on this apartment

complex.  One has smaller red fruits with small seeds, easily chewable, I've

been eating those (maybe not enough?).  Other species or variety has somewhat

larger red fruits with bigger, harder, unchewable seeds, like the one you get

when you buy dried hawthorn berries.  I guess I could use those in a mixed

herbal brew as I've done a few times.



When I cook beans and brown rice, I might include mustard seeds whole, not

powdered.  Maybe powdered mustard seeds would ruin it?  Cooking that way, when

I use black or white pepper or allspice, I use the whole berries.  But I like

cubeb (Piper cubeba) better than white or black pepper (Piper nigrum).



I've never seen yellow mustard powder.  That yellow prepared mustard found in

jars is a semiliquid spread.



If I buy horseradish, the preferred form would be fresh root.



I've used rosemary, the last time being maybe in 1998.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: circulation problems

From: "Scott and Aliceann" <carlton@midrivers.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:51:28 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Aliceann and Scott Carlton" <carlton@midrivers.com> :



Coleman's Mustard powder has been on grocery shelves in IGAs and in bigger

stores for all the years (ummm over 50) I can remember.  We used to mix a

little of the powder in an egg cup for my dad whenever we had steak...he

loved the stuff.  I didn't even know about it as a plaster until many years

later as a small taste would lift the hair off the scalp...but it was really

nice on meat or in a cream sauce with haddock or pollack.



It is available here in Eastern Montana in the prairie towns and I've found

it in corner store groceries across the country...



Best Regards,

Aliceann

----- Original Message -----

From: "Thomas Mueller"



> I've never seen yellow mustard powder.  That yellow prepared mustard found

in

> jars is a semiliquid spread.

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] eyes

From: "GardenThyme~Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:59:20 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "GardenThyme~Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net> :



Would this formula help with "floaters"  They have been a problem for a

couple of years and are getting worse.  The eye Dr. said there is nothing

that can be done for them.

Dee

The GardenThyme Lady



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: eyes

From: polo@ccp.com

Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 12:11:12 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Doug Ahart" <polo@ccp.com> :



         Yes, absolutely, that was specifically mentioned in the Dr. 

Schulze interview and manuals put together by Sam Biser. This formula 

should aid in the removal of floaters. If interested in the precise 

formulation of the eyewash give me a private email. Also, the commercial 

product formulated under Dr. Christopher's standards can be bought directly 

from various stores, I understand.



doug



At 12:59 PM 11/1/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by "GardenThyme~Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net> :

>

>Would this formula help with "floaters"  They have been a problem for a

>couple of years and are getting worse.  The eye Dr. said there is nothing

>that can be done for them.

>Dee

>The GardenThyme Lady



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: eyes

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 14:47:17 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "May Terry" <mterry@snet.net> :



polo@ccp.com wrote:



>          Yes, absolutely, that was specifically mentioned in the Dr.

> Schulze interview and manuals put together by Sam Biser. This formula

> should aid in the removal of floaters.

>

> At 12:59 PM 11/1/01 -0500, you wrote:

> >Sent to the herblist by "GardenThyme~Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net> :

> >

> >Would this formula help with "floaters"  They have been a problem for a

> >couple of years and are getting worse.  The eye Dr. said there is nothing

> >that can be done for them.



I thought floaters were inside the eyeball?



May

--

Natural and supernatural with the self-same ring are wed.  --Yeats



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: eyes

From: polo@ccp.com

Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:34:55 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Doug Ahart" <polo@ccp.com> :



Dear May,

         I am not sure the physiology of floaters, but the eye formula of 

Christopher and Schulze is designed to treat the entire eye and not just 

the outer parts. This formula is supposedly successful with cataract, 

glaucoma, cloudy vision, and other visual degenerations.  Christopher has 

even gone so far to say his formula can aid in the regeneration of the 

optic nerve and retina. I find this a bit of a "stretch" from a 

conventional perspective, but supposedly cases do exist involving 

successful sight restoration using his formula and his total programs of 

healing, i.e. diet, oral herbal therapy, bowel cleansing, etc.



doug



At 02:47 PM 11/1/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by "May Terry" <mterry@snet.net> :

>

>I thought floaters were inside the eyeball?

>

>May



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Collecting wild plants in the UK?

From: "Matt" <matt.brewster@ukgateway.net>

Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:44:53 -0000

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Sent to the herblist by "Matt" <matt.brewster@ukgateway.net> :



Hello,



I have been lurking on this list for some months now and always find the

discussion very knowledgable and informative. So much so that I have never

quite had the courage to ask a question. However, here goes.



I live in a farming area of the UK, mostly arable, though with some

livestock. The area is crisscrossed by a large network of footpaths.

Recently I collected a large amount of Rose hips, some for syrup, some to

dry and some for a gallon of wine from the local hedgerows and wood margins.

I have also collected Yarrow, Mugwort, Ground Ivy, Dandelions, Nettles,

Burdock, all grow abundantly. I always keep on or quite close to the

designated routes.



I would be interested to know where I stand legally if I were to be

confronted by an irate farmer or landowner? Are  these plants owned by

someone if they grow on their land? Short of offering them a bottle of wine

when its ready I wouldn't know what to say in my defence. I am also worried

about jeopardising my chance to collect plants and nuts and mushrooms from

the countryside in the future, access to the land became more of an issue

following the foot-and-mouth crisis. Saying that, access to the land has

always been a contentious issue in the history of this country.



I hope this is not too stupid a question.



Thank you.



Matt Brewster

matt.brewster@ukgateway.net



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Collecting wild plants in the UK?

From: Art Sackett <asackett@artsackett.com>

Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:05:10 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Art Sackett" <medherb@artsackett.com> :



On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 06:44:53PM -0000, Matt wrote:



8<



> I am also worried

> about jeopardising my chance to collect plants and nuts and mushrooms from

> the countryside in the future, access to the land became more of an issue

> following the foot-and-mouth crisis. 



I've always had good luck with asking for permission. I also hunt, and 

in hunting circles, when a guy gives you access to his farm or ranch

without asking for a trespass fee, it's customary (here) to offer either

a portion of the harvest, or future labor, or both, in exchange for that 

access. Perhaps a similar thing would be welcomed in your neighborhood?



Around here, permission is more likely to be granted if the exchange of 

labor takes place before the access -- there are lots of folks with more

good intentions than motivation.



-- 

----   Art Sackett   ----



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] RE: Collecting wild plants in the UK?

From: "Sarah Head" <sarah@headology.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:08:37 -0000

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Sent to the herblist by "Sarah J Head" <sarah@headology.co.uk> :



Hi Matt



Speaking as a UK farmer's daughter, I wouldn't have thought there would be

any problem with the things that you've collected so far, BUT, the safest

thing to do is to ask permission first. Rosehips are a bit like

blackberries, you expect to see people picking them, but if they're not

diectly by the footpath then it could be considered trespassing.



The thing I would be really worried about is when the farmer last sprayed

the patch you're picking from and what with. I don't really fancy ingesting

roundup and when I'm wildcrafting from our farm I always pick from the 2

fields that are set aside and not from the other fields which my cousin

rents and sprays regularly.



What do you use ground alder for?



Best wishes



Sarah



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Cordyceps-vegetarian?

From: "Sabra's Hotmail" <sabraway@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:11:27 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by "Sabra Way" <sabraway@hotmail.com> :



I believe they grow the mushroom(Cordyceps) on a grain or wood mulch. Check

out fungiperfecti.com



Sabra



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] More Cordyceps

From: hkobayas <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu>

Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:26:02 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Hideka Kobayashi" <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu> :



<There is a web site that has a couple of pictures of different types of 

cordyceps..... here is another picture of a different type that grows in 

Norway,>



Getting back to my original response, host specificity of pathogen varies. 

Some are generalists. Some are very picky. I need to check the host range of 

Cordyceps sinensis, but this species is rather specific from what I read. If 

not, ones parasitizing hosts other than some kind of moth larva are not used 

medicinally by Chinese.There are many related species, but I really don't 

recall them being used. There is one kind parasitizes cicadas in Japan 

(semi-take), and is used in fold medicine, but not like the way Cordyceps 

sinesis is used. Despite Japanese and Chinese names indicate, they are neither 

mushrooms nor grass/herb.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Cordyceps (cont)

From: hkobayas <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu>

Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 00:50:16 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Hideka Kobayashi" <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu> :



<I believe they grow the mushroom(Cordyceps) on a grain or wood mulch. Check

out fungiperfecti.com>



I disagree. If they grow on regular substrates such as grain and mulch in 

nature, I don't see a reason why their mode of parasitism is so specialized. 

Besides, many mushrooms or fungi have symbiotic relationships with hosts, and 

cannot be cultivated that easily. Sorry to be picky, but the fruting body of 

Cordyceps (Ascomycetes) is not really a mushroom.



I did check fungiperfecti.com. I have been there before, and they only had 

products. No info. on cultivation of the fungi. I found two sites that may be 

helpful for those are interested.



http://www.samma-farm.co.kr/emain1-3-1.html



Pictures and methods of artifical cultivation



http://www.mycoculture.org/archiveindex/S00000051.html



A thread on artificial cultivation of Cordyceps



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Improving eyesight

From: Kathy Kommit <kkommit@earthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 19:17:20 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by "Kathy" <kkommit@earthlink.net> :



I wonder what was responsible for improving your eyesight Ravenna. I 

have been wondering if herbs can be useful in improving my sight which 

is definitely worsening as I age. Any

successes ???????



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Improving eyesight

From: polo@ccp.com

Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:47:04 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Doug Ahart" <polo@ccp.com> :



Dear Kathy,

         Really the only herbalists that seem to have had success with eye 

problems have been Dr. Christopher and his student Dr. Schulze.  They use a 

eye formula of bayberry bark, eyebright herb, red raspberry leaves, 

goldenseal root and cayenne pepper. They have claimed some stunning success 

stories of recovering and improving eye sight from using this formula as an 

eyewash 3-6 times a day. They have claimed to have removed cataract with 

this formula. This group had a discussion a few months ago when I suggested 

cayenne as a possible equine cataract cure. This brought a very heated 

discussion. At any rate, you may want to look into this further.  I am 

currently doing the eyewash and find it to be a viable option in improving 

eye sight. The cayenne makes the eyewash rather uncomfortable, but it most 

certainly stimulates circulation and aids the assimilation of the other herbs.



doug



         At 07:17 PM 11/3/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by "Kathy" <kkommit@earthlink.net> :

>

>I wonder what was responsible for improving your eyesight Ravenna. I have 

>been wondering if herbs can be useful in improving my sight which is 

>definitely worsening as I age. Any

>successes ???????

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Improving eyesight

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:43:48 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by "Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



polo@ccp.com wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



>          Really the only herbalists that seem to have had success with eye 

> problems have been Dr. Christopher and his student Dr. Schulze.  They use a 

> eye formula of bayberry bark, eyebright herb, red raspberry leaves, 

> goldenseal root and cayenne pepper. They have claimed some stunning success 



Don't do goldenseal unless you are sure it's organically grown, or

unless YOU know of a good-sized stand that you've been picking from for

years.



Do Berberis instead. In above eye formula it should work just as nicely.



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] prickly pear juice

From: "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 11:20:10 -0700

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We are at this moment, straining mooshed prickly pears

into a bucket.

I intend to research them, but does anyone know, off the top of their memory

if prickly pears can be tinctured? I know I can make a syrup, am thinking of

maybe making wine, but would prefer any medicinal qualities to tincture if

possible.



Thank you,



Janine Phariss

need tupperware? http://my.tupperware.com/arizonatupper



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] official name

From: "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 11:48:57 -0700

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Official name is Opuntia vulgaris for the prickly pear cactus.



Janine



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: prickly pear juice

From: "Kevin Chisholm" <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 17:48:09 -0400

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Dear Janine

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com>

To: <herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu>

Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 2:20 PM

Subject: [herb] prickly pear juice



> We are at this moment, straining mooshed prickly pears

> into a bucket.



May I suggest a more proper word instead of "mooshed?"



"Smished" is a cross between "mashed" and "squished."



Regards,



Kevin Chisholm :-)



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: prickly pear juice

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net>

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:16:08 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Sharon Hodges-Rust" <mwherbs@dshome.net> :



>Sent to the herblist by "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com> :

>

>We are at this moment, straining mooshed prickly pears

>into a bucket.

>I intend to research them, but does anyone know, off the top of their memory

>if prickly pears can be tinctured? I know I can make a syrup, am thinking of

>maybe making wine, but would prefer any medicinal qualities to tincture if

>possible.

>

>Thank you,

>

>Janine Phariss

>need tupperware? http://my.tupperware.com/arizonatupper

>



Janine,  what do you plan on using prickly pears for? if you were 

going to use them for the anti-diabetes effects juice or an 

unsweetened syrup, this works for green pads as well as the fruit, 

although I prefer to deal with the fruit. And I don't really think 

that a wine or tincture would convey the same effect. To use them for 

burns just leave them growing until you need to use it. so I can't 

really think of a reason to use tincture of it.

sharon in tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: prickly pear juice

From: "Bill Jacobson" <williamj@nac.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:46:17 -0500

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----->>

>

>Janine,  what do you plan on using prickly pears for? if you were

>going to use them for the anti-diabetes effects juice or an

>unsweetened syrup, this works for green pads as well as the fruit,

>although I prefer to deal with the fruit. And I don't really think

>that a wine or tincture would convey the same effect. To use them for

>burns just leave them growing until you need to use it. so I can't

>really think of a reason to use tincture of it.

>sharon in tucson



Sharon,

I'd like to hear more about the effects of the green pads you mentioned.

When I go to Mexico every winter the young pads are used commonly as a

vegetable and for salad.



Janine,

I do recommend prickly pear wine.  Once when our super put a dozen out for

quick sale at ten cents a piece I bought the lot and made some of the best

wine ever.



Bill



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: prickly pear juice

From: "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com>

Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:48:57 -0700

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Hi Bill,



I * am* making prickly pear wine. I make wine out of anything almost. lol

Good to hear that it's good. sure smells good.

Where in Mexico do you go Bill?



Janine



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Herbs for Iron Control.

From: "Kevin Chisholm" <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 17:55:38 -0400

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Dear List



A friend of mine, a 60+ yr old male, has a high iron condition, as indicated

by a hair analysis. Would anyone know of any herbal supplements which would

tend to bind up dietary iron, so that it would be "bio-unavailable?"



One thing I do know is that tannin tends to react with water soluble iron,

to give a blackish-purple coloration. Wouold anyone know if the "iron/tannin

compound" ties up dietary iron intake, so that it is "bio-unavailable?"



Thanks.



Kevin Chisholm



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Herbs for Iron Control.

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 00:30:09 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by "Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Kevin Chisholm" <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca> wrote:



> A friend of mine, a 60+ yr old male, has a high iron condition, as indicated

> by a hair analysis. Would anyone know of any herbal supplements which would

> tend to bind up dietary iron, so that it would be "bio-unavailable?"

> 

> One thing I do know is that tannin tends to react with water soluble iron,

> to give a blackish-purple coloration. Wouold anyone know if the "iron/tannin

> compound" ties up dietary iron intake, so that it is "bio-unavailable?"



Yep, there is such an herb as the one you're looking for.



It's called giving blood. Regularly, every two weeks.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Herbs for Iron Control.

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 18:51:38 -0500

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Kevin Chisholm wrote:



> A friend of mine, a 60+ yr old male, has a high iron condition, as indicated

> by a hair analysis. Would anyone know of any herbal supplements which would

> tend to bind up dietary iron, so that it would be "bio-unavailable?"

>

> One thing I do know is that tannin tends to react with water soluble iron,

> to give a blackish-purple coloration. Wouold anyone know if the "iron/tannin

> compound" ties up dietary iron intake, so that it is "bio-unavailable?"



Yes, it does.  A friend of mine has hemachromatosis, and her doctor told her to

drink tea with meals to help prevent iron absorption.



May

--

Natural and supernatural with the self-same ring are wed.  --Yeats



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Herbs for Iron Control.

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 18:54:56 -0500

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Henriette Kress wrote:



> "Kevin Chisholm" <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca> wrote:

>

> Would anyone know of any herbal supplements which would

> > tend to bind up dietary iron, so that it would be "bio-unavailable?"

> >

> Yep, there is such an herb as the one you're looking for.

>

> It's called giving blood. Regularly, every two weeks.



My friend with the hemachromatosis has to 'give blood' regularly also.  However,

it can't be used.  Not sure if your friend's could.



May

--

Natural and supernatural with the self-same ring are wed.  --Yeats



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Herbs for Iron Control.

From: polo@ccp.com

Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 11:41:58 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Doug Ahart" <polo@ccp.com> :



Dear Kevin,

         I have been doing some casual reading on the subject and find that 

diabetes can cause high iron levels. This happens when the body 

cannibalizes its own cells as a source of nutrients. You have iron 

accumulating from this breaking down of tissue, not being excreted and is 

sent to the liver, then to the pancreas.

         Just be aware there may be other underlying causes of high iron 

levels.



doug



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: hyssop/anise hyssop

From: hecuba <kriemhld@arctic.net>

Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 17:39:07 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "hecuba" <kriemhld@arctic.net> :



At 08:46 PM 11/4/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by herbmednurse@aol.com :



<snipped physical description of hyssop and anise hyssop>



>are both considered hyssop?

>can both be used medicinally?

>phebe



Hi Phebe,



I grow both.  If they are the same plants I have, "hyssop" is Hyssopus 

officinalis and "anise hyssop" is an Agastache; mine is A. foeniculum.  I 

think they're both vaguely related, but I'm not a botanist either.



Myself, I use hyssop in cough syrup to help cough stuff up and have a big 

batch drying now.  I use the anise hyssop for tea when I have a cold, 

although I've read that it may be good for coughs and congestion.  The 

hyssop is fairly bitter, while I think the anise hyssop has a pleasant taste.



I'd also be interested in the uses of the two hyssops from people who are 

more experienced. I get a lot of respiratory infections and am allergic to 

the flu vaccine.  I also got (mildly) interested in hyssop when I was doing 

some research on herbs that were used for purification/fumigation against 

contagion in the middle ages.



Gudrun



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] hyssop/anise hyssop

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:46:17 EST

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ok...i'm not a botanist, and so this may sound off base here.

I have an anise hyssop plant - grows about 4-5 ft. tall with purple 'cone' 

shaped flowers at top that leaves off teeny black seeds when dried that are 

pungent with anise.  then i have a plant that was labeled hyssop, grows about 

1 ft. tall, leaves are much different than the anise hyssop, and little 

purple flowers grown up and down the whole stem.  now that it's late fall, i 

really can't remember, but i believe that the hyssop (not anise hyssop) the 

leaves and flowers were in a whorled pattern.

are both considered hyssop?

can both be used medicinally?

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] ordering herbs

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:58:10 EST

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I've just recv'd a catalog from trinity herbs, and wondered if anyone else 

has ordered from them???  any thoughts?

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] trinity herbs

From: "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 19:46:55 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com> :



I have ordered from them once. I had to make a minimum buy and since all I

needed at the time was calendula flowers, I bought 25 lbs. It came with a

mouse, the 4 footed kind,

and several bugs that were infested in the flowers. Which I didn't know

until they had infested everything I had. Because I grew and wildcrafted

everything I used to that point, I knew I didn't have those beetle type bugs

before.

Eventually they did give me a $20 credit, but I havne't used it yet, because

I am so leery. Of course, THEY couldn't understand how 'those bugs got in

there', and denied the mouse. But hey, I didn't have either before.



I also had to throw away, ALL my herbs, because those damn bugs got in

e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g.



so, that's my thoughts.



Janine Phariss

maker of smishy smooshy prickly pear wine, syrup and honeyed drink.



> I've just recv'd a catalog from trinity herbs, and wondered if anyone else

> has ordered from them???  any thoughts?

> phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: trinity herbs

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:50:07 EST

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In a message dated 11/4/01 8:48:44 PM, Janine@HerbaTherapy.com writes:



<< I also had to throw away, ALL my herbs, because those damn bugs got in



e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g.



so, that's my thoughts.



 >>



so.... where have you had good results from?  



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: trinity herbs

From: "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 19:55:05 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com> :



I must admit, I have NEVER seen an email go and get answered that quickly!

lol



Honestly, I don't buy. That one really soured me. If I can't trade for it,

or grow it, I will use/grow something else.



I grew a ton of comfrey and dried it before I moved to phoenix. now that I'm

here nothing will grow.

So I'm doing other things. Growing neem trees, rosemary, Greek oregano.



Janine



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: trinity herbs

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 22:04:46 EST

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In a message dated 11/4/01 9:02:47 PM, jclarke1@mn.rr.com writes:



<< I've had consistently good results from Frontier.  >>



there are some things i haven't been able to grow, and would like to order. 

i've heard rave about trinity (but not now...), frontier, and blessed herbs.

how about blessed herbs?

phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: trinity herbs

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 22:25:03 -0500

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The most beautiful herbs I've ever received were from Jean's Greens.  I hear

good things about Peter, on this list, too %^)



May

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Natural and supernatural with the self-same ring are wed.  --Yeats



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: trinity herbs

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:11:11 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



> so.... where have you had good results from?

>



I've had consistently good results from Frontier. Yeah, yeah, I know...big

commercial company. But at this point in my business, cost is important, and

I know I will get consistently good quality herbs at a good cost, and their

customer service is good, too. I used to go with another smaller company

that had herbs very cheap, and I was amazed at the difference in my

tinctures when I switched to Frontier. The herbs were brighter and stronger

smelling, and the tinctures turned out much darker in color.



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: trinity herbs

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:22:36 EST

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Sent to the herblist by "Meg" <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 11/4/01 7:50:41 PM Mountain Standard Time, 

Herbmednurse@aol.com writes:



> where have you had good results from?  

>  



Mountain Rose Herbs.



www.mountainroseherbs.com



I've always ordered from them, and they've always been prompt and careful, 

given full measure, packaged well ... everything I could want.  NCI.



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: trinity herbs

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:27:40 EST

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Sent to the herblist by "Meg" <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 11/4/01 7:56:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, 

Janine@HerbaTherapy.com writes:



> I grew a ton of comfrey and dried it before I moved to phoenix. now that I'm

>  here nothing will grow.



I'm in Phoenix, Janine.  Growing things takes some getting used to, and you 

will get used to it, and more things will grow for you.  For me, it took a 

few years to feel a connection with the dirt in my yard.  Sounds like you're 

gaining on it!



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: trinity herbs

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 03:38:30 EST

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Sent to the herblist by herbgrow30@aol.com :



In a message dated 11/4/01 10:02:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, 

jclarke1@mn.rr.com writes:



<< I've had consistently good results from Frontier. Yeah, yeah, I know...big

 commercial company. But at this point in my business, cost is important, and

 I know I will get consistently good quality herbs at a good cost, and their

 customer service is good, too. I used to go with another smaller company

 that had herbs very cheap, and I was amazed at the difference in my

 tinctures when I switched to Frontier. The herbs were brighter and stronger

 smelling, and the tinctures turned out much darker in color.

 

 Kerry



Hi Kerry ~



Yes I've liked Frontier for years and am very pleased with their quality.  I 

also have used San Feancisco Herbs in the past to good results on the herbs I 

choose not to grow here in Maryland.



Warmly ~

Mary



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: trinity herbs

From: Elizabeth Scotten <bek@timelessremedies.com>

Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 06:29:54 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "Elizabeth Scotten" <timelesstree@earthlink.net> :



I've always had very good luck ordering from Trinity Herbs. I have liked the

quality of the herbs, and they have good prices on base oils as well. That,

and decent customer service goes a long way with me.



The other company whose quality i think is superior is Blessed Herbs.



Just had to put my two cents in.  ;)



-bek

-- 

bek@timelessremedies.com

http://www.timelessremedies.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: trinity herbs

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 03:40:50 EST

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In a message dated 11/4/01 10:31:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, mterry@snet.net 

writes:



<< The most beautiful herbs I've ever received were from Jean's Greens.  I 

hear

 good things about Peter, on this list, too %^)

  >>



Yes. he wildcrafts locally and Connecticut has some lovely herbs.  Plus he 

has a whole backroom of wonderfully dried herbs.  His email is:  

NEHrbSup@aol.com.



Warmly ~

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH, ND

Conley Farm Herbs, Professional Consultations 

Introducing new concepts in online learning

Online classes; Intensive Courses in specific illnesses; 

email for catalogue of classes starting in September

  ~Mystical Forest Childrens's Herbs ~



Email contributions are for instructional value only and should not take the 

place of seeing your health care professional.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: trinity herbs

From: "Leppihalme, Miikkali" <leppihalme@quartal.com>

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:22:03 +0200 

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Sent to the herblist by "Miikkali Leppihalme" <leppihalme@quartal.com> :



Phebe:

> i've heard rave about trinity (but not now...), frontier,

> and blessed herbs.

> how about blessed herbs?



I've ordered from Blessed Herbs. Quality was very good, price was reasonable

and they shipped my order the same day they received it.



I can recommend Peter Byram's company (NE Herbal Supply) too.



-

M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: trinity herbs

From: HerbalSW@aol.com

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:47:55 EST

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Sent to the herblist by "Catherine M. Wood" <HerbalSW@aol.com> :



I recommend Pacific Botanicals although they are slow in filling orders, and 

Frontier Herbs.  Wild Weeds may have gone out of business but she was good, 

as well.



Catherine M. Wood, LCSW, CADC, ADS

Eagle Spirit Healing Center

Where Your Spirit Learns To Soar

www.eaglespirithealingcenter.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: trinity herbs

From: GerstenbergerA@aol.com

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:29:03 EST

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Sent to the herblist by GerstenbergerA@aol.com :



Souther Virginia Herbals has gorgeous, happy calendula, red clover, nettles 

.... sells in bulk only. Also offers herb growers internships by special 

arrangement if you want to get your hands in the dirt! Not sure if list rules 

allow me to put contact info here, but feel free to ask me off line.

Ann G.



snip



Sent to the herblist by "Meg" <melesana@aol.com> :

In a message dated 11/4/01 7:50:41 PM Mountain Standard Time, 

Herbmednurse@aol.com writes:



> where have you had good results from?  

> 

Mountain Rose Herbs.



www.mountainroseherbs.com



>In a message dated 11/5/01 4:24:45 AM, leppihalme@quartal.com writes:

>

>I've ordered from Blessed Herbs. Quality was very good, price was reasonable

and they shipped my order the same day they received it.

>

>I can recommend Peter Byram's company (NE Herbal Supply) too.

>

>M



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Blessed Herbs

From: "GardenThyme~Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:24:07 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "GardenThyme~Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net> :



I ordered lavender, hops, and kava kava from Blessed Herbs, I was very

pleased with the order I received.  The herbs were fresh, well packaged,

and very potent.  I received the order with in a week and they are very

reasonably priced.  I will definately recommend them to anyone, and plan

to order from them again myself.

Dee 

The GardenThyme Lady



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Blessed Herbs

From: "michelle morton- niyama" <lakshmi@kingcon.com>

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:35:10 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "michelle c morton" <lakshmi@kingcon.com> :



Hello All



I can put in a good word for pacific botanicals- I was thinking of trying

blessed herbs because I now live closer to them- But I have had good luck

w/PB.

Ryan Drum has good herbs, but a limited supply.(which is a good sign IMO)



Good Luck with your Phoenix garden-



Michelle



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] herb companies

From: "plantpeople" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:03:14 -0500

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> > so.... where have you had good results from?



The best quality product I have purchased is from a small company called

Naturespirit Herbs and SeaVegetables (nci) out in Oregon.  Hand  gathered

and garbed herbs and sea weeds- will do custom gathering also.  Another

company I like to use is Montana arnica (nci) - agian hand gathered and

garbed.  To be frank, I have not ordered a lot (more than 5lbs of a single

herb) from either company, mostly herbs/seaweeds that do not grow in my

bioregion.   Frontier simply does not compare in quality to either of these

two - but they offer reliability in its place - personally, I'd rather the

herb

JoyceW



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: herbs for iron control

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:26:11 EST

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In a message dated 11/4/01 11:00:35 PM Central Standard Time, 

herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu writes:



<< A friend of mine, a 60+ yr old male, has a high iron condition, as 

indicated

 by a hair analysis. Would anyone know of any herbal supplements which would

 tend to bind up dietary iron, so that it would be "bio-unavailable?"

 

 One thing I do know is that tannin tends to react with water soluble iron,

 to give a blackish-purple coloration. Wouold anyone know if the "iron/tannin

 compound" ties up dietary iron intake, so that it is "bio-unavailable?"

  >>



In a study conducted several years ago in a leading European journal

(Gut 1998;43:699-702) iron absorption was reduced by 70% by ingestion

of black tea in patients with hemochromatosis. Blood removal (the best

way to eliminate excess iron) was still required but the freqency was 

reduced. It was suggested that it was the tannins in the tea that bound 

the iron and prevented absorption and that the higher the tannin content, 

the greater the inhibition.



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: suppliers

From: "Bill Jacobson" <williamj@nac.net>

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:04:17 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "William Jacobson" <williamj@nac.net> :



I've always used Herbal Advantage .  Never had any problems there and they

are helpful and send your lot quickly.  They are the only supplier I have

ever used, and the quality is at least as good as the Frontier Bulk supplies

we get through our coop.



www.HerbalAdvantage.com



Bill



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: herb companies

From: greg patch <patch@berkshire.net>

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:00:10 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by "Greg Patch" <patch@berkshire.net> :



Hi list,



I get most of my herbs wholesale from either Trinity, Pacific Botanical,

they sell some fresh/undried for quality tincture making, Blessed Herbs and

small growers (takes planning ahead) locally here in the northeast. It is

important for quality/efficacy to make many tinctures from undried herb. A

good source to check on individual herbs online is to check with Michael

Moore's site. Some good herbal books go into these distinctions. Some of

the  higher water content herbs are best left to dry for 5-12 hrs before

tincturing or oil making to help prevent spoilage and to lessen water

content in the tincture. I stopped wildgathering for production here in

western MA 4-5 years ago because of development and lessening plant

populations. Many herbs of leaf and flower, ie: Dandelion lf Tarraxacum

off., Calendula Calendula off. lose much of their vital components after

3-4 mos of shelflife. The company has record of when the plant was

harvested that they are sending you, if it is not up to date, don't buy it.

When I was selling more quanity of herb and less counseling I would compost

all leaf and flower after one year of storage. If any source of herbs is

dusty, poor color/odor quality or you see the same batch of herb on the

shelf for more than one year/season, question it. Roots, berries, nuts,

etc. have longer shelf life and varies from herbs to herb. Buying

organically grown and from local or reputable companies lessens depletion

harvesting of large resources of herb growth, ie Echinacea, Goldenseal,

Osha rt, American Ginseng etc. Harvesting under 25% of any plant culture a

year guarantees more next year as this protects and stimulates the plants

survival.

I also refer people, if I am out or they are interested in buying large

quantities retail, to Healing Spirits,  NE Herb Supply and Jean's Greens

for retail purchasing here in the northeast US. I also find Ryan Drum a

good source.

It is as important to know the source of the herb as it is to know the herb.



Greg

Berkshire Mountains Herb Company

http://www.berkshire.net/~patch



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Research on Elderberries

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@bigsky.net>

Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:22:48 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Veronica Honthaas" <honthaas@bigsky.net> :



Has anyone gotten their hands on a copy of The Anatomie of the Elder by C.

de Irynio (circa 1644) translated by Blockwich? Veronica



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Buying herbs

From: "Eleanor K. Sommer" <eksommer@gator.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:28:30 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "Eleanor K. Sommer" <eksommer@gator.net> :



I have purchased good quality herbs from Mountain Rose. A friend uses

Pacific Botanicals. And I have also had very good herbs from Blessed Herbs.

(No 4-leggeds, 6-leggeds, or 8-leggeds!))  I, too, use a Frontier Co-op we

set up for larger bulk orders.

-Ellie in Florida (where it is quite a challenge to keep herbs dry and

fresh over the summer without AC!)



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: circulation problems- long, sorry

From: "Niamh" <niamh@nmcginley.fsnet.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:22:26 -0000

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Sent to the herblist by "Niamh" <Niamh@nmcginley.fsnet.co.uk> :



From: Thomas Mueller



> Sent to the herblist by tmueller@bluegrass.net :

>



> I remember using Tilia europaea (Linden) blossoms, beginning April 1997,

didn't

> notice any particular effect on circulation.  I don't really remember how

much

> I used during the following November and subsequent winter.  Motivation

was

> seeing linden as an ingredient, along with angelica root, thyme,

peppermint and

> a few others, in cough drops



Thomas,



tilia was probably included in your cough mix by virtue of its traditional

use as a diaphoretic in colds and bronchitis etc rather than any action

directly related to the cough. The reason it breaks temperatures and fevers

is because it is a relaxant, opening up the blood vessels and thereby

promoting perspiration at the skin. This is related to its use in

hypertension too. The action seems to be out (to the periphery) rather than

up (to the head). If you want to use it, make hot infusions and make it part

of your everyday life, not a short cut. Are you taking hawthorn, sorry I

can'tremember.



Are you tensy in general? For example, constipation, congestion, headaches?

Is it that there is poor blood supply to your fingers and toes, (white

colour or poor blood return to your nails when you press them)? Have you

blood pressure problems, a strong heart? What's your pulse and BP? In short,

what's going on with your circulation? Then think about treatments. You

don't seem to get along with hot things, that's why I am asking.



> Mustard I have is whole seeds, which I use in cooking, am reluctant to

grind

> into powder.



Why?



Is mustard what gives prepared mustard its flavor, or is it

> turmeric or other spice?  I always hated prepared mustard, the yellow

condiment

> that comes in jars.



Mustard is mustard, a plant in the cabbage family. I don't know where the

yellow powder comes from (maybe white mustard), but the black things you

have are the seed of Brassica nigra. If you want to try it, you could do a

bath, but be very careful. 2 tablespoons to a whole bath would be loads to

start with. Max 15 mins. A rash may develop, that's too much mustard.

>

> Should horseradish be taken cooked or raw?  Naturally it would be mixed

with

> other food, not taken straight.  I would never attempt to eat raw garlic

or raw

> onion straight.  So I guess rubbing the cut surface of raw horseradish on

the

> skin can cause blisters?



Yes. You could take it as a horseradish sauce with food, but little and

regularly is best as it will irritate the GI tract if too much is taken. If

you can get a fresh root, you could make a syrup just by grating and

covering with sugar. Trust your instinct, don't force yourself to eat

something you dont want to. It's just cos you said you liked mustard I

mentioned these 2: horseradish has mustard oils in as well. A tincture of

this would be ok.



Have you tried Rosemary btw?



Namh



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Wood Betony

From: "Bernert Mark" <mbernert@columbia-center.org>

Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:21:42 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by "Melinda" <mbernert@columbia-center.org> :



Hi all,



I have a question for all you sage (pun intended) herbalists and botanists.

I'm researching wood betony and have come across two different latin

binomials for it. Rosemary Gladstar and Maude Grieve list it as Betonica

officinalis.

Yet David Hoffman - a recommended author by R. Gladstar - lists it as

Stachys officinalis.



Is this the same plant?



Thanks for your help,



Melinda in Oregon



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wood Betony

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 22:30:42 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by "Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Bernert Mark" <mbernert@columbia-center.org> wrote to

herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



> I have a question for all you sage (pun intended) herbalists and botanists.

> I'm researching wood betony and have come across two different latin

> binomials for it. Rosemary Gladstar and Maude Grieve list it as Betonica

> officinalis.

> Yet David Hoffman - a recommended author by R. Gladstar - lists it as

> Stachys officinalis.

> 

> Is this the same plant?



Betonica officinalis is the same plant as Stachys officinalis, yes. 



You can use most any Stachys the same way, ie. they're all mint-family

anti-inflammatories. (Over here it's betony, btw., not wood betony. Wood betony

would be Stachys sylvatica, pretty pretty.) (pics of several Stachys species

online on my site). (Edible tubers, too, for those of you who fight to get rid

of Stachys palustris in your garden).



However, Pedicularis species are _also_ called betony, and that's another plant

altogether. A half parasite, which flowers if it's got a host... and the host

can impart lots of ... interesting constituents. Like, for instance, hepatotoxic

pyrrolizidine alkaloids, if it's a Senecio, or diverse essential oils and

resins, if it's a pine.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland     http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Herb FAQs, pictures, classic texts, articles, archives, plant names  ...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] chronic fatigue syndrom

From: "Britta B." <laurenceandbritta@launchnet.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 03:43:54 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "Britta B." <laurenceandbritta@launchnet.com> :



Hello,

I am looking for information on "chronic fatigue syndrom" in botanical

medicine, botanical therapeutics and therapeutic approaches chosen by

other clinical herbalists.

If any of you practicing herbalists, clinical, medical or other

knowledgable folks know of some good resources on the topic, I would

appreciate the leads. Any personal experience in client-work is also

appreciated. Just doing a Google search wasn't that helpful...

Thanks a lot, Britta B.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: Art Sackett <asackett@artsackett.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:06:38 -0700

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Art Sackett" <medherb@artsackett.com> :



> Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :

> 

> For those of you who use Vitamin E in your various formulations, or for

> those of you who would simply know the answer, how many IUs in an ounce, or

> teaspoon, or whatever? If something required 20,000 IUs, what would that

> equal in more practical terms?



You'll hate the answer, but it's at:



http://www.medterms.com/script/main/Art.asp?li=MNI&ArticleKey=9650



-- 

----   Art Sackett   ----



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:18:52 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



> 

> You'll hate the answer, but it's at:

> 

> http://www.medterms.com/script/main/Art.asp?li=MNI&ArticleKey=9650

> 



Well that was totally unhelpful. LOL



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:19:49 EST

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Meg" <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 11/9/01 1:07:01 PM Mountain Standard Time, 

asackett@artsackett.com writes:



> If something required 20,000 IUs, what would that

>  > equal in more practical terms?

>  

>  You'll hate the answer, but it's at:

>  



<giggle>  There's an easier way.  Look on your bottle of Vitamin E softgels 

to see how many IU are in each one.  Poke a pin in enough softgels to get a 

total of 20,000 IU.  Overshoot if you can't get it exact, because you 

probably won't be able to squeeze it all out anyway.



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:43:11 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



If I had been a little more observant, I would have been able to answer my

own question.



Written on the container:



D-Alpha TocopherylAcetate 550 IU per mL



Kerry (who has to go dig out that metric conversion chart now)



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:43:35 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com> :



Kerry, what I think you are asking is how much Vit E does one need to

preserve a product, right? Off the top of my head, I don't remember, but

find out how much you need to preserve a product, in IU's, and then how much

you need to use. Is that what you are asking?

If so, it's a minimal amount. I believe I use 1 oz, 28K IU's E in one

gallon of product.

If that's not what you are asking...<g> I bow out.



Janine

www.HerbaTherapy.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:32:34 -0600

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



> Sent to the herblist by "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com> :

>

> Kerry, what I think you are asking is how much Vit E does one need to

> preserve a product, right?



No, not exactly. :-) I don't use Vitamin E normally, I figure the essential

oils will preserve them well enough. But I'm making a "pregnant belly salve"

as a special request, and thought Vitamin E would be a nice thing to add,

due to its skin moisturizing factor.



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "michelle morton- niyama" <lakshmi@kingcon.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 08:12:21 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "michelle c morton" <lakshmi@kingcon.com> :



Kerry



I would suggest olive oil and jojoba...almond oil goes rancid so quickly,

and many are allergic/have reactions to it...

your mix sounds good...do you have any shea butter? that would be a nice

addition to a belly balm.



Michelle



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:36:43 -0600

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



> Kerry

>

> I would suggest olive oil and jojoba...almond oil goes rancid so quickly,

> and many are allergic/have reactions to it...

>



Yes, but adding 20,000 IU of Vitamin E per 8 oz. of almond oil would pretty

much preclude that, don't you think? (the rancidity, that is)



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Gardenthyme Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:58:03 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "GardenThyme~Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net> :



I made some salve in a crock pot several months ago with dried herbs, no

mold as yet.  What kind of "bugs" do they get? Or is it bacteria and not

really 'bugs'?

I love my salve, it heals it all! Plantain, comfrey, chamomile, rosemary,

tea tree oil, & lavender in SJW oil, olive oil and almond oil I think, with

bees wax to solidify it.  I think that was all I put in it, I should write

these down!  I simmered it in the crock pot for hours before adding the bees

wax.  It's holding up nicely.  Thanks for all the information regarding

making salve, couldn't have done it without you!

Dee

The GardenThyme~Lady



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: Rena Henson <rena1695@yahoo.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:45:17 -0800 (PST)

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Sent to the herblist by "rena" <rena1695@yahoo.com> :



What is SJW oil? Thanks!



Rena



> I love my salve, it heals it all! Plantain, comfrey,

> chamomile, rosemary,

> tea tree oil, & lavender in SJW oil, olive oil and

> almond oil I think, with

> bees wax to solidify it.  I think that was all I put

> in it, I should write

> these down!  I simmered it in the crock pot for

> hours before adding the bees

> wax.  It's holding up nicely.  Thanks for all the

> information regarding

> making salve, couldn't have done it without you!

> Dee

> The GardenThyme~Lady

> 

> 



Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals

http://personals.yahoo.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:03:18 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



>

> What is SJW oil? Thanks!

>



St. John's Wort. That *does* sound like a lovely salve! Which were essential

oils and which were the actual herbs?



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Gardenthyme Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:14:04 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "GardenThyme~Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net> :



I used all dried herbs except the tree tea oil.

Last year my St. Johns Wort was so prolific I made a big jar of oil using

olive oil as the base.   It's beautiful, deep ruby red!



Dee

The GardenThyme~Lady



-?



Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



>

> What is SJW oil? Thanks!

>



St. John's Wort. That *does* sound like a lovely salve! Which were essential

oils and which were the actual herbs?



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Sarah Head" <sarah@headology.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:04:05 -0000

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Sent to the herblist by "Sarah J Head" <sarah@headology.co.uk> :



Rena,



SJW oil is an oil, usually a fairly light one, which has been infused (using

the cold method)with the growing tips and flowers of St John's Wort for up

to 6 months. It is usally a deep red colour.



Best wishes



Sarah



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Scott and Aliceann" <carlton@midrivers.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 09:08:06 -0700

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Aliceann and Scott Carlton" <carlton@midrivers.com> :



Just out of curiosity, why would a 20,000 IU amount of vitamin E be used

except with a HUGE batch of formula or a big bag of dog food needing

preservation?



Best regards,

Aliceann



----- Original Message -----



Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:11 PM

Subject: [herb] Vitamin E - IU equals?



> Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L."

<

Snip>

If something required 20,000 IUs, what would that

> equal in more practical terms?

>

> Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:34:04 -0600

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



> Sent to the herblist by "Aliceann and Scott Carlton"

<carlton@midrivers.com> :

>

> Just out of curiosity, why would a 20,000 IU amount of vitamin E be used

> except with a HUGE batch of formula or a big bag of dog food needing

> preservation?

>



Formula - ewwww.

A customer requested a "pregnant belly salve" and I thought Vitamin E would

be a nice addition. FTR, I did the math, and 20,000 IU equals approximately

1.3 fl oz.



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Scott and Aliceann" <carlton@midrivers.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:57:00 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Aliceann and Scott Carlton" <carlton@midrivers.com> :



It is soothing in formulas, and healing.  I find that sesame oil is also

quick to soothe and provide nourishment and elasticity to skin...might help

prevent stretch marks.  What else do you plan to include in the formula

Kerry?



Best Regards,

Aliceann



> Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L."

> Formula - ewwww.

> A customer requested a "pregnant belly salve" and I thought Vitamin E

would

> be a nice addition. FTR, I did the math, and 20,000 IU equals

approximately

> 1.3 fl oz.

>

> Kerry



>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:45:24 -0600

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



> Sent to the herblist by "Aliceann and Scott Carlton"

<carlton@midrivers.com> :

>

> It is soothing in formulas, and healing.  I find that sesame oil is also

> quick to soothe and provide nourishment and elasticity to skin...might

help

> prevent stretch marks.  What else do you plan to include in the formula

> Kerry?



Calendula, St. John's Wort, lavender EO. I was thinking an almond oil base.

Any suggestions?



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: Elizabeth Scotten <bek@timelessremedies.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 07:55:52 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "Elizabeth Scotten" <timelesstree@earthlink.net> :



on 11/11/01 3:45 AM, Kerry and Jack at jclarke1@mn.rr.com wrote:



> Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :

> 

> 

>> Sent to the herblist by "Aliceann and Scott Carlton"

> <carlton@midrivers.com> :

>> 

>> It is soothing in formulas, and healing.  I find that sesame oil is also

>> quick to soothe and provide nourishment and elasticity to skin...might

> help

>> prevent stretch marks.  What else do you plan to include in the formula

>> Kerry?

> 

> Calendula, St. John's Wort, lavender EO. I was thinking an almond oil base.

> Any suggestions?



A bit of wheat germ oil (contains the vit. e) and carrot seed oil would be

nice to add to the almond oil base. (all sounds quite yummy!)



-bek

-- 

bek@timelessremedies.com

http://www.timelessremedies.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "michelle morton- niyama" <lakshmi@kingcon.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 08:35:43 -0500

--------

Sent to the herblist by "michelle c morton" <lakshmi@kingcon.com> :



> A bit of wheat germ oil (contains the vit. e) and carrot seed oil would be

> nice to add to the almond oil base. (all sounds quite yummy!)

>

> -bek

> --



Some sources say to avoid carrot seed eo in pregnancy...neroli would be nice

if you have it, the chamomiles,rose (low dilution for all)....all the

expensive ones!!



Michelle



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: psilver@cix.compulink.co.uk (Pat Silver)

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:20 +0000 (GMT)

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Sent to the herblist by "Pat S" <psilver@cix.compulink.co.uk> :



Hi Kerry,



> No, not exactly. :-) I don't use Vitamin E normally, I figure the 

> essential

> oils will preserve them well enough. But I'm making a "pregnant belly 

> salve"

> as a special request, and thought Vitamin E would be a nice thing to 

> add,

> due to its skin moisturizing factor.



Ref. various queries about using Vit.E in cosmetic products, Vitamin E is 

an anti-oxidant, it is not a preservative.  It may also have beneficial 

effects on the skin and it's often recommended for stretch marks and other 

scarring.



You have 2 potential problems with cosmetics, one is the oxidation of the 

oils which makes the oil smell rancid, and the other is the growth of bugs 

and moulds.  For most products it's the growth of bugs that is the 

potential problem.  If you are going to use the product quickly (within a 

few weeks) and you are prepared to keep it in the fridge you can do 

without a preservative, but if you want to keep it longer than that you 

will need a cosmetic-approved preservative.  Some of the things that can 

grow in cosmetic products are very nasty, for instance there have been 

cases of serious eye damage caused by bugs growing in eye creams and 

mascara.



Although many essential oils will kill or inactivate some bugs and moulds 

they are not sufficient in themselves in most cosmetic products - I've 

seen a lovely growth of mould in a cream containing tea-tree and thyme 

oils, both of which have anti-fungal and anti-bacterial properties.  GSE 

(grapefruit Seed Extract) is often sold as a preservative, but when it was 

tested scientifically the only samples that worked were found to contain 

artificial preservatives that were not declared on the label.  In other 

words, it was the added preservatives having the effect, not the GSE.



Rancidity is usually less of a problem because it takes several months for 

it to develop.  Unsaturated oils will oxidise faster than saturated fats.  

You often see recommendations to infuse herbs in oil by standing the jar 

in a sunny window, however this is a bad idea as the ultraviolet in the 

sunlight will accelerate the oxidation considerably. All you are really 

needing the sunshine for is for warmth, so wrap the jar in black paper to 

keep out the light and you will avoid the problem.



PatS



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:41:09 -0600

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



> Sent to the herblist by "Pat S" <psilver@cix.compulink.co.uk> :

>

> You have 2 potential problems with cosmetics, one is the oxidation of the

> oils which makes the oil smell rancid, and the other is the growth of bugs

> and moulds.  For most products it's the growth of bugs that is the

> potential problem.



Thank you, that was very interesting and informative. So if EOs don't work,

and Vitamin E doesn't work, and GSE doesn't work, what does? What about the

herbs themselves? How about a squirt of goldenseal or OGR tincture? Just out

of curiosity, because I generally don't put any preservatives in my salves,

natural or otherwise.



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Phosphor" <phosphor@hotkey.net.au>

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:39:46 +0300

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Phosphor" <phosphor@hotkey.net.au> :



> Thank you, that was very interesting and informative. So if EOs don't

work,

> and Vitamin E doesn't work, and GSE doesn't work, what does? What about

the

> herbs themselves? How about a squirt of goldenseal or OGR tincture? Just

out

> of curiosity, because I generally don't put any preservatives in my

salves,

> natural or otherwise.



tea tree oil will do it.



Andrew

Aust.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "gcwhite" <gcwhite@ntlworld.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:43:01 -0000

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Graham White" <gcwhite@ntlworld.com> :



> Sent to the herblist by "Phosphor" <phosphor@hotkey.net.au> :

>

> > Thank you, that was very interesting and informative. So if EOs don't

> work,

> > and Vitamin E doesn't work, and GSE doesn't work, what does? What about

> the

> > herbs themselves? How about a squirt of goldenseal or OGR tincture? Just

> out

> > of curiosity, because I generally don't put any preservatives in my

> salves,

> > natural or otherwise.



> tea tree oil will do it.



No it won't.



> Andrew

> Aust.



Graham White  B.Sc. (Herb. Med.), MNIMH.

Medical Herbalist

Bishop's Stortford & Buntingford

--------------------------------------------------------------------



gcwhite@ntlworld.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "gcwhite" <gcwhite@ntlworld.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:50:44 -0000

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Graham White" <gcwhite@ntlworld.com> :



Hi All



<snip>



> You have 2 potential problems with cosmetics, one is the oxidation of the

> oils which makes the oil smell rancid, and the other is the growth of bugs

> and moulds.  For most products it's the growth of bugs that is the

> potential problem.



It is all dependent on the nature of the product.  Something that consists

purely of oils, fats or waxes (ie. contains no water) will not grow bacteria

or moulds.  When a product has an aqueous component then you either need to

reduce osmolality ie. jam, reduce bacterial growth ie. refridgerate, or add

a preservative, and for that I'm afraid that a chemical is the only real

option. Here in the UK it is a legal requirement that if you sell a

cream/ointment product containing water then you have to add a chemical

preservative.



Cheers



Graham White  B.Sc. (Herb. Med.), MNIMH.

Medical Herbalist

Bishop's Stortford & Buntingford

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gcwhite@ntlworld.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:16:59 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



> It is all dependent on the nature of the product.  Something that consists

> purely of oils, fats or waxes (ie. contains no water) will not grow

bacteria

> or moulds.



Oh yeah. I forgot that's why I never got into making creams. That's also why

I prefer to use dried herbs for salves, rather than fresh.



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: GerstenbergerA@aol.com

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:14:07 EST

--------

Sent to the herblist by GerstenbergerA@aol.com :



Well, this was not a well-controlled experiment, but in an herb class I was 

doing with 8-year olds, we found ground clove to be the most effective 

preservative for raw ground meat left in a sealed container on a sunny 

windowsill for 2 months (! 'cause we forgot about it). Compared with ground 

oregano, thyme, and garlic (all effective antimicrobials), which all reeked 

and had complex colonies of creatures living on them, the one with cloves was 

not at all putrid and showed no sign of anything growing on it. It amazed me, 

and shot clove oil to the top of my list for preserving salves. I use only 

3-5 drops per quart of salve.

Ann G.



Sent to the herblist by "Phosphor" <phosphor@hotkey.net.au> :



> Thank you, that was very interesting and informative. So if EOs don't



work,



> and Vitamin E doesn't work, and GSE doesn't work, what does? What about



the



> herbs themselves? How about a squirt of goldenseal or OGR tincture? Just



out



> of curiosity, because I generally don't put any preservatives in my



salves,



> natural or otherwise.



tea tree oil will do it.



Andrew



Aust.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: psilver@cix.compulink.co.uk (Pat Silver)

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:49 +0000 (GMT)

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Pat S" <psilver@cix.compulink.co.uk> :



Hi Kerry,



> Thank you, that was very interesting and informative. So if EOs don't 

> work,

> and Vitamin E doesn't work, and GSE doesn't work, what does? What about 

> the

> herbs themselves? How about a squirt of goldenseal or OGR tincture? 

> Just out

> of curiosity, because I generally don't put any preservatives in my 

> salves,

> natural or otherwise.



Sadly there isn't a truly effective natural preservative, if there was the 

cosmetic companies would be falling over themselves to use it so that they 

could advertise their products as 100% natural.   Some EOs such as 

tea-tree and thyme have some effect, but in an oily base they don't work 

very well.



For my own use, most of the time I do without the preservative and accept 

that my salves have a short shelf life.   You can prolong the life by 

making sure that everything you use is absolutely clean, that any water is 

boiled first to sterilise it, don't use fresh herbs (dried herbs and 

tinctures are fine), keep it in a cool, dark place, and don't put your 

fingers into the pot as that introduces large numbers of bacteria (use a 

spatula to remove a little).  Throw it away after 3 weeks or so even if it 

still looks good because there is an increasing risk that there are bugs 

growing in it.



If you are giving or selling your products to other people then you really 

should be using a preservative.  You can't control the way they are 

storing and using the product, and if they acquire an infection as a 

result you may end up on the wrong end of a very expensive law suit, not 

to mention being morally responsible.



If I really need something to keep for months rather than weeks I use a 

commercial cosmetic preservative called Germaben2 which is available from 

many on-line sources aimed at small-scale soapmakers.



Pat



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Vitamin E - IU equals?

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:11:39 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



For those of you who use Vitamin E in your various formulations, or for

those of you who would simply know the answer, how many IUs in an ounce, or

teaspoon, or whatever? If something required 20,000 IUs, what would that

equal in more practical terms?



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Thanks for names of suppliers

From: Carol Mora <carollm@rockbridge.net>

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:28:50 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "Carol Mora" <carollm@rockbridge.net> :



A big thank you to all who contributed names of herbal

suppliers - it couldn't have come at a better time for me. 

Several of us have been trying to get a Frontier order

together but it's hard for any of us to use a pound of herb

and all of us seem to have different needs/wants.  I was

simply delighted to find suppliers selling herbs by the

ounce instead of the pound and promptly placed an order with

Herbal Advantage.  They emailed me right back with news that

my order was being shipped that same day.



Thanks again!



Carol - in Virginia



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] level 2 skin cancer

From: HerbalSW@aol.com

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:53:43 EST

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Sent to the herblist by "Catherine M. Wood" <HerbalSW@aol.com> :



I have a client who was just diagnosed with level 2 skin cancer on his for 

arm which is approximately . 4 deep.

What recommendations for herbs are out there?

Thanks in advance

Catherine

BTW he adamantly refuses teas, MAY take a tincture but will take capsules.



Catherine M. Wood, LCSW, CADC, ADS

Eagle Spirit Healing Center

Where Your Spirit Learns To Soar

www.eaglespirithealingcenter.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Belladonna

From: Michael Acord <mpacord@earthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:45:13 -0800

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Sent to the herblist by "Michael Acord" <mpacord@earthlink.net> :



Thanx for the site.  I will give it a visit.  Mike Acord



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] skin cancer

From: Charlie Kane <charkane@earthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:59:21 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "charles kane" <charkane@earthlink.net> :



Level 2 meaning - basal cell?

Start with surgery.  Support with herbs that stimulate innate immunity/tissue

healing/and detox.



Charlie Kane



------------------------------------------------------------------

For the Tucson Clinic of Botanical Medicine, The Collection Newsletter,

Herb Walks, Herb and Environmental Issues, and more,  check out....

http://tcbmed.com/



> I have a client who was just diagnosed with level 2 skin cancer on his for

> arm which is approximately . 4 deep.

> What recommendations for herbs are out there?

> Thanks in advance

> Catherine

> BTW he adamantly refuses teas, MAY take a tincture but will take capsules.



> Catherine M. Wood, LCSW, CADC, ADS

> Eagle Spirit Healing Center

> Where Your Spirit Learns To Soar

> www.eaglespirithealingcenter.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: level 2 skin cancer

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 01:47:05 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Sharon Hodges-Rust" <mwherbs@dshome.net> :



>Sent to the herblist by "Catherine M. Wood" <HerbalSW@aol.com> :

>

>I have a client who was just diagnosed with level 2 skin cancer on his for

>arm which is approximately . 4 deep.

>What recommendations for herbs are out there?

>Thanks in advance

>Catherine

>BTW he adamantly refuses teas, MAY take a tincture but will take capsules.



well there is always the infamous black salve. I have used 2 

different kinds of it and they both work great. basically an 

escarotic process. I don't know the formula for either one but one 

way to find it is on the internet. also people who have white horses 

often use it for the horse's skin cancers which they are prone to 

getting if they are out doors much.   why I would recommend it would 

be because it is metabolized by the cancer cells and then kills them 

so it goes to the extent of where the cancer is not just wide margin 

the docs cut because cancer is irregular in shape a bit can be missed 

and then re-form but with the black slave it isn't missed.   I have 

read that  some formulas contain blood root ( sangunaria) and others 

have creosote(larrea) as well as zinc chloride, and other herbs.  I 

have not delved too far into it because i realized early on what a 

tremendous responsibility and  a life times work to make something 

that will treat cancer. what ever way he chooses he should work on it 

ASAP if the salve is too hard to find he can always apply it later to 

the surgery scar and make sure everything is gone.

sharon in tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: naturopath?

From: "michelle morton- niyama" <lakshmi@kingcon.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 08:25:05 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "michelle c morton" <lakshmi@kingcon.com> :



I have been corresponding with someone who is graduating from the Herbal

Healer Academy with an "ND"....and is going to be licensed by the "ANMCAB"

see www.anmcab.org they also license graduates of the clayton college as

Naturopaths...how can someone graduate from one of these schools and call

themselves a naturopath?!? Anyone know anything about the HHA or the ANMCAB?

I thought the CNME was the only "real " accreditor of Naturopathic colleges,

and the AANP was the "real" association of Naturopaths(in north america at

least) I can see graduates of these programs calling themselves

herbalists(maybe) or "Holistic Practitioners"- but using ND? BAaaa!



Thanks

Michelle- who thinks graduates of the "real" naturopath schools should have

their titles protected!!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: chronic fatigue syndrom

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:13:27 -0500 (EST)

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Sent to the herblist by tmueller@bluegrass.net :



> I am looking for information on "chronic fatigue syndrom" in botanical

  medicine, botanical therapeutics and therapeutic approaches chosen by

  other clinical herbalists.

  If any of you practicing herbalists, clinical, medical or other

  knowledgable folks know of some good resources on the topic, I would

  appreciate the leads. Any personal experience in client-work is also

  appreciated. Just doing a Google search wasn't that helpful...

  Thanks a lot, Britta B.



I have little experience searching, especially for items of more than one word,

often get garbage.  I think "syndrom" is supposed to be spelled "syndrome", and

search engines would not report a match if even one letter is off.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: chronic fatigue syndrom

From: Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:14:07 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by "Marco Valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it> :



Med Sites on the net



www.aacsf.org

Good starting point



mcgoodwin.net/pages/medrefs.html#cfsfmna

lots of refs



www.niaid.nih.gov/publications/cfs.htm

faculty.washington.edu/dedra/uwtwinsr.htm

faculty.washington.edu/dedra/uwindex

www.umdnj.edu/cfsweb/CFS/cfshome

Other good resources



As for therapeutics, it is not an easy one to put down as a protocol, in this

case more than others individual variability dictates choices (IMO).  I'll try

to write down something later on (battling with a bad tracheitis right now),

but you should try to contact Johnathan Treasure MNIMH who is very

knowledgeable in this topic.



best Wishes

Marco

-- 

Marco Valussi BSc (Hons.) Herbal Medicine

Medical Herbalist

Vicolo Santa Cecilia 7

37121 Verona

Italy



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: chronic fatigue syndrom

From: Art Sackett <asackett@artsackett.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 12:21:06 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Art Sackett" <medherb@artsackett.com> :



On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 09:13:27AM -0500, Thomas Mueller wrote:

> 

> I have little experience searching, especially for items of more than one word,

> often get garbage.  I think "syndrom" is supposed to be spelled "syndrome", and

> search engines would not report a match if even one letter is off.



A handful of the results on this results page look interesting:



http://www.google.com/search?q=chronic+fatigue+herbal+therapy



-- 

----   Art Sackett   ----



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Vitamin E

From: "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:09:21 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com> :



Vit e is an antioxidant. Oils will oxidize, that's what causes rancidity.

So, adding vit e to an annhydrous product will help.



Janine

www.HerbaTherapy.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Stachys spp.

From: "Eleanor K. Sommer" <eksommer@gator.net>

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:14:07 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "Eleanor K. Sommer" <eksommer@gator.net> :



>Betonica officinalis is the same plant as Stachys officinalis, yes.



>You can use most any Stachys the same way, ie. they're all mint-family

>anti-inflammatories.



Do you know if the same properties exist in Stachys floridana (sometines

called Florida betony or hedge nettle)? This betony grows abundantly here

in Florida and in April-May produces crisp tubers that unfortunately look

like white grubs, but taste delicious in salads. I have always wondered if

I could use the herb in the same manner as S. officinalis.  -Ellie



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] was vitamin E - IU equals - now cream preservation

From: "plantpeople" <plantpeople@triton.net>

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:15:01 -0500

--------

Sent to the herblist by plantpeople@triton.net :



>It is all dependent on the nature of the product.  Something that consists

>purely of oils, fats or waxes (ie. contains no water) will not grow

bacteria

>or moulds.  When a product has an aqueous component then you either need to

>reduce osmolality ie. jam, reduce bacterial growth ie. refridgerate, or add

>a preservative, and for that I'm afraid that a chemical is the only real

>option.



Instead of refrigerating to reduce bacterial growth, have the aqueous

solution be of a sufficient concentration of alcohol, vinegar, glycerin,

salt, sugar, etc.  to inhibit mold and/or bacteria growth - in place of the

chemical preservative..... but then, those are still chemical preservatives,

just not quite so synthetic

JoyceW



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: skin cancer

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:37:11 EST

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Sent to the herblist by Elfreem@aol.com :



Sent to the herblist by "Catherine M. Wood" <HerbalSW@aol.com> :

>

>I have a client who was just diagnosed with level 2 skin cancer on his for

>arm which is approximately . 4 deep.

>What recommendations for herbs are out there?

>Thanks in advance

>Catherine

>BTW he adamantly refuses teas, MAY take a tincture but will take capsules.



You might want to read "Cancer Salves: A Botanical Approach to Treatment"

by Ingrid Naiman. The methods described in her book were traditionally 

used mainly for breast tumors and skin cancers.  Also, there's loads of

information on her website (www.cancersalves.com).



Elliot Freeman RPh



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: skin cancer

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs@dshome.net>

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:01:03 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Sharon Hodges-Rust" <mwherbs@dshome.net> :



>

>Elliot  sent this web address (www.cancersalves.com)



this looks like a good website anyone going to the site be sure to 

look at the forum. The pictures are pretty much what my experience 

has been with the salves. and I see that she mentions pain and what I 

would say is that the part that is central and cancerous is not what 

is painful it is the surrounding tissue after a while is irritated by 

the salve. Now I have talked to some people who have had no pain 

probably because of the location of the cancer and that there was 

little contact with the salve to the surrounding healthy tissue. 

another resource if you can find it is Volume 2 number 3 of The 

Protocol Journal of Botanical Medicine.  sharon in tucson



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: chronic fatigue syndrome

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:04:32 EST

--------

Sent to the herblist by Elfreem@aol.com :



>  A handful of the results on this results page look interesting:

>  

>  http://www.google.com/search?q=chronic+fatigue+herbal+therapy



I logged onto the first site from the search above and it was useless 

info ...then I lost patience. If anyone finds a site with good information on

herbal treatment for chronic fatigue syndrome, would you post the URL 

to the list.  



Elliot Freeman



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: chronic fatigue syndrome

From: "Pamela Quayle" <herbgatherer@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:19:43 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "Pamela Quayle" <herbgatherer@hotmail.com> :



> I logged onto the first site from the search above and it was useless

> info ...then I lost patience. If anyone finds a site with good information

on

> herbal treatment for chronic fatigue syndrome, would you post the URL

> to the list.



It's not a website, but there is a small book in the Keats Good Herb Guide

Series called Herbs for Chronic Fatigue that I found packed with wholistic

herbal treatment.  It's by Kathy Keville, who I believe said in the book she

had CFS herself .  She is a practicing herbalist and aromatherapist.



Pamela



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re:chronic fatigue syndrome

From: "M. Lazar" <jedihands@alltel.net>

Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:04:06 -0600

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Marianne Lazar" <jedihands@alltel.net> :



I am finding that the clients who have chronic fatigue also have Candida, I

suggest the candida diet and supplements with great results.  I suffer from

Fibromyalgia have had 100% improvement with the diet and supplements.

Marianne

 Subject: Re: chronic fatigue syndrom

> From: Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it>

> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:14:07 +0100

> X-Message-Number: 1

>

> Med Sites on the net

>

> www.aacsf.org

> Good starting point

>

> mcgoodwin.net/pages/medrefs.html#cfsfmna

> lots of refs

>



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: cancer salves

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:14:17 EST

--------

Sent to the herblist by Elfreem@aol.com :



Sharon, sounds like you've got personal experience that you might be

able to share with the rest of us. What were you treating (if you don't mind 

me asking), what specifically did you use for treatment, and what were 

the results?



Elliot



>  >

>  >Elliot  sent this web address (www.cancersalves.com)

>  

>  this looks like a good website anyone going to the site be sure to 

>  look at the forum. The pictures are pretty much what my experience 

>  has been with the salves. and I see that she mentions pain and what I 

>  would say is that the part that is central and cancerous is not what 

>  is painful it is the surrounding tissue after a while is irritated by 

>  the salve. Now I have talked to some people who have had no pain 

>  probably because of the location of the cancer and that there was 

>  little contact with the salve to the surrounding healthy tissue. 

>  another resource if you can find it is Volume 2 number 3 of The 

>  Protocol Journal of Botanical Medicine.  sharon in tucson

>  



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: kava/smoking

From: thimbleberry@juno.com

Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:08:39 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "t b" <thimbleberry@juno.com> :



On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com> 

wrote" 



> Has anyone ever smoked kava? Or added it to their smoking

> blend? 

> If so, was the effect calming, as it's supposed to be when

> ingested? 



[...]



> I currently smoke yerba santa [Eriodictyon Californicum] 

> with mullein [Verbascum Thapsus] for asthma.

> It's *very* calming! lol



Something I detailed here quite a while ago was how I found 

smoking catnip to be both relaxing and energizing at the 

same time.  I had initially found that a blend of mugwort 

and catnip worked, and later found that catnip, not the 

mugwort, was the key constituent.



The effect is *very* dependent on the *quality* of the 

catnip, and therefore not easy to replicate, so the odds are 

that 99% of those trying it will have *no* effect.



I'm also aware of the controversy in the literature, and 

have spent some time at the university library researching 

the matter, but have found little interest in the actual 

results.



Thimbleberry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Vegan salve

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:23:25 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



A few months ago I asked for suggestions for alternatives to beeswax in a

salve, as I had a customer who is vegan. At someone's suggestion, I decided

to try carnauba wax. I just made the salve and it turned out quite lovely!

It's got an interesting grainy texture, but still melts into the skin quite

nicely. It's very shiny (I'm trying to resist the urge to buff my car with

it :-)).



Anyway, thanks for the suggestions and I wanted to let you all know how it

turned out.



Kerry

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.KerrysHerbals.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Wild yam/progesterone?

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:42:34 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



Okay, I know from reading various information that wild yam, used as a

"progesterone cream" or to otherwise affect hormone levels, is pretty much

useless. This is due to the fact that diosgenin, the component of wild yam,

must undergo a chemical conversion before it can be utilized as a synthetic

progesterone substitute, and that this conversion is NOT done naturally by

the body, but must be done in a lab.



However, I came across this website that sells "natural wild yam cream" that

is purported to help hormonal imbalances and cure all sorts of conditions

caused by estrogen/progesterone imbalances. This woman claims that this

brand of cream is different from all the others, due to the way it's

created. Can someone please read this over and tell me if she's full of

beans or if there really is something to it?



http://www.balancedwoman.com/whyresolve.htm



In her email to me, she states that what "makes Resolve different from the

others it does not have progesterone in it, instead It gives your body the

building blocks it needs to create its own progesterone within the body!"



I just want to know if what she's saying is possible and I'm not fully

understanding the ins and outs of wild yam. I've been telling people that

it's useless as far as increasing progesterone levels, and if women want to

do that, they should instead use vitex. If I'm mistaken and *some* wild yam

creams do indeed work, then I would like to know about it.



I've already read the information on Henriette's herbFAQ.



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam/progesterone?

From: "Kevin Chisholm" <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:01:17 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by kchishol@fox.nstn.ca :



Dear Kerry



While I don't have a direct answer to your question, I would like to sugest

an approach that would enable you to get such an answer:



1: White her back and ask: "What are the Building Blocks your creme

contains, and what is the mechanism whereby the body can utilize them to

synthesize hormones?



(Having stated that "...the building nlocks are there...", she should have

no problem with a reply, if she is for real.  If you don't hear back from

her, she is a quack.)



2: If she replies, post her reply tomthe list. There are lots of List

Members who can commnt specifically on the workability and efficacy of her

proposed mechanism.



Kindest regards,

Kevin CHisholm

...del...

. This woman claims that this

> brand of cream is different from all the others, due to the way it is

created. Can someone please read this over and tell me if she's full o beans

or if there really is something to it?



 http://www.balancedwoman.com/whyresolve.htm



> In her email to me, she states that what "makes Resolve different from the

others it does not have progesterone in it, instead It gives your body the

building blocks it needs to create its own progesterone within the body!"



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam/progesterone?

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:19:16 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



> 2: If she replies, post her reply tomthe list. There are lots of List

> Members who can commnt specifically on the workability and efficacy of her

> proposed mechanism.

>



Here was my email inquiry, and her response:



Thank you for your prompt response! Could you clarify something for me?

Other than not containing progesterone, how does your wild yam cream differ

from all the other wild yam creams out there? What I mean is, if the other

wild yam creams don't actually do anything to affect hormone levels, how is

yours different? What exactly are the "building blocks" it contains that you

mentioned? By what mechanisms does the cream actually create progesterone in

the body?



*****



Hi Kerry, sure I would be happy to explain and give you more information!

First let me clarify that other hormone creams do have some effect, I am

sure they do or else they couldn't make a business out of selling it, but it

is not good for the body!  Resolve is different because it does not use

synthetic progesterone, "Resolve" actually supplies the nutrients that are a

precursor to progesterone production and that is just what the body needs to

maintain balance.  So it dosn't actually create progesterone in the body but

gives the body what it needs to produce its own progesterone!



This is a part of the information from the pages "Why Resolve" & "Wild yam

V's Progesterone you will notice that this information is in harmony with

what you stated earlier but also explains the difference the extraction

process makes and much more!



Dioscorea (wild yam) has become widely used as a natural hormonal

supplement. Its value lies in the close resemblance of the phyto-hormones to

those in human physiology, and with the ability of the human body to

synthesize its essential hormonal chemistry from the building blocks

provided by Dioscorea supplements. In order to be maximally effective there

are a number of factors to consider. These are: 1) The extraction process of

the dioscorea and components from its plant source; 2) processing of the

plant extract; 3) the effectiveness of the transport method into the cells.



Wild yam is a most common source for diosgenin and its related plant

saponins. In order to make a product based on diosgenin, the phytohormonal

chemistry must be extracted from the plant source. This process is crucial.

There are several common processes used to produce the plant extract, most

of which use too much heat or involve chemicals which reduce the active

components of the plant sterols. The most common extraction processes are

cold press, hot press, steam distillation, glycerin, and ethanol. Most of

these are very rapid processes and the quality of the extract is often

questionable. Because Diosgenin extract is not a pharmaceutical product,

there are no guidelines nor standards upon which to base an objective

analysis.

A particular product may claim to have a 12% Diosgenin content, but in fact

be totally devoid of the useful chemistry it is meant to provide.



When properly functioning, the endocrine system utilizes a myriad of

different protein complexes in the form of enzymes, co-factors, hormones,

and hormonal building blocks. Each of these is essential in the steps

producing the correct homeostatic balance. If any one factor is missing, the

body may fail to incorporate a path of hormonal stimulation, feedback,

and/or control. It is for these reasons that one should avoid using

Dioscorea products which have been reduced to only Diosgenin. The other

plant sterols, enzymes and protein factors may be just as critical, or even

more so for a given individual.



The same is true for products based on USP progesterone. USP, or 'natural',

progesterone is synthesized from diosgenin. This extra step produces a

product which has none of the other essential plant sterols and sapogenins.

To make matters worse, natural progesterone products are actually a drug.

Giving a woman progesterone will in many cases relieve symptoms associated

with progesterone deficiencies, but at the same time, available progesterone

in the blood stream signals the endocrine system to shut down its production

of the steroid hormones. This includes the important precursor hormone

pregnenolone, an essential step in the production of DHEA, cortisol,

aldosterone, estrogen and progesterone. By supplementing a woman directly

with progesterone, or any other hormone in this chain, the delicate balance

of stimulation and feedback is disturbed. While the symptoms of progesterone

deficiency may be alleviated, there will be side-effects resulting from the

disturbance of the entire reproductive hormone system



You see, there are only three main types of progesterone. True natural

progesterone is that which is produced by the body itself,

phyto-progesterones are those made in plants which provide the body with

progesterone like benefits when enough of it is available in our diets, and

synthetic progesterone's are those that are made by man in the laboratory.

The confusion comes, when men start referring to what they have made in the

laboratory to mimic "true progesterone" as "natural progesterone". It is not

natural, and the FDA guidelines indicate that any cream containing more than

5mg of the U.S.P. grade progesterone per ounce should be considered a drug.

So, when Homer, decided to come out of retirement to help women, he wanted

to find a way to give the body back the real phyto-progesterones that so

many women were lacking in their diets. Homer, knew that the body would know

how to use the phyto-progesterones to restore balance if it just had

adequate amounts of them.

It is important to note that diosgenin alone is not the only component

extracted from the yam. The purpose of wild yam supplementation is to

provide the body with the complex building blocks it requires to

manufacturing its own hormonal chemistry. One should not consider a wild yam

cream to be just a progesterone supplement. While products exist that are

just that, they are inferior!  Products that supply nutrients that are

precursor to progesterone production are what the body needs to regain and

maintain hormonal balance.



With the foregoing as a basic understanding, we can now look specifically at

our product, Resolve. Resolve is made from the highest quality extract

available in the United States. The plant is grown in an organically

certified herbal plantation. The extraction process takes six weeks and is

done most carefully and under constant observation to insure that, the

integrity of the extract is preserved. For this process, a premium cost is

paid, but it is the only known extraction process, which does not compromise

to any degree the value of the wild yam extract.



The cream was developed especially to promote rapid cell division. This

cream is absorbed rapidly, providing cell hydration and carrying nutrients

to, and transporting through cellular membranes. This cream was a natural

selection for the base of this wild yam product, and has been key to

Resolve's success as the most effective wild yam cream available.



Kerry I hope this information has answered your questions!  This is only

part of the information if you would like to read or learn more about it you

can see these links:



http://balancedwoman.com/wildyamVsprogesterone.htm



http://www.balancedwoman.com/womanswellbeing.htm



If you have any further questions please feel free to contact me anytime!



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam/progesterone?

From: "Kevin Chisholm" <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:24:55 -0400

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Sent to the herblist by kchishol@fox.nstn.ca :



Dear Kerry



Basically, she is saying "We have a better extraction process, and thats

what differentiates our product. It is a better process, and thats why we

charge more."



She doesn't answer the key question, in terms of the mechanism by which her

product can be effective.



> Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



> > 2: If she replies, post her reply tomthe list. There are lots of List

 Members who can commnt specifically on the workability and efficacy of her

 proposed mechanism.



> Here was my email inquiry, and her response:



...del....

>What exactly are the "building blocks" it contains that you

 mentioned? By what mechanisms does the cream actually create progesterone

in

 the body?



These are trhe key questions she does not answer.



> *****



> Hi Kerry, sure I would be happy to explain and give you more information!

First let me clarify that other hormone creams do have some effect, I am

 sure they do or else they couldn't make a business out of selling it, but

it

 is not good for the body!



Her logic is flawed: she assumes that other cremes do have an effect, and

stated that the effect is bad. How does this enable the others to stay in

business???



> Resolve is different because it does not use

 synthetic progesterone, "Resolve" actually supplies the nutrients that are

a

 precursor to progesterone production and that is just what the body needs

to

 maintain balance.  So it dosn't actually create progesterone in the body

but

 gives the body what it needs to produce its own progesterone!



Thats what she says, but she doesn't give any evidence to suport this claim.



> This is a part of the information from the pages "Why Resolve" & "Wild yam

 V's Progesterone you will notice that this information is in harmony with

 what you stated earlier but also explains the difference the extraction

 process makes and much more!



> Dioscorea (wild yam) has become widely used as a natural hormonal

 supplement. Its value lies in the close resemblance of the phyto-hormones

to

 those in human physiology, and with the ability of the human body to

 synthesize its essential hormonal chemistry from the building blocks

 provided by Dioscorea supplements.



This is the closest she gets to providing a mechanism. The experts on the

List may know if this is possible.

 In order to be maximally effective there

...del.....



> When properly functioning, the endocrine system utilizes a myriad of

 different protein complexes in the form of enzymes, co-factors, hormones,

 and hormonal building blocks. Each of these is essential in the steps

 producing the correct homeostatic balance. If any one factor is missing,

the

 body may fail to incorporate a path of hormonal stimulation, feedback,

 and/or control. It is for these reasons that one should avoid using

 Dioscorea products which have been reduced to only Diosgenin. The other

 plant sterols, enzymes and protein factors may be just as critical, or even

 more so for a given individual.



Basically, she is expanding on the question you asked.



...del....

>For this process, a premium cost is

paid, but it is the only known extraction process, which does not compromise

to any degree the value of the wild yam extract.



Her presumption is htat her wild yam extract works. She does not provide a

sufficiently detailed mechanism, and listing of the "building blocks" that

her product contains.



> The cream was developed especially to promote rapid cell division.



Oh? Is it carcinogenic? Whats the conection between rapid cell division, and

progesterone building blocks?



This

> cream is absorbed rapidly, providing cell hydration and carrying nutrients

 to, and transporting through cellular membranes. This cream was a natural

 selection for the base of this wild yam product, and has been key to

 Resolve's success as the most effective wild yam cream available.



By "success", does she mean "business success" or product functionality?

Theres a big difference.

>

And finally, there is the question: If all they do is avoid destruction of

the key components in Wild Yam in their extraction process, why not simply

take wild yam?



Kindest regards,



Kevin Chisholm



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam/progesterone?

From: Art Sackett <asackett@artsackett.com>

Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:12:56 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Art Sackett" <medherb@artsackett.com> :



On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 09:19:16PM -0600, Kerry and Jack wrote:



Perhaps I am simply, er, well, just simple, but when I read this, I 

find a few questions that were put to the wild yam cream person:



> Other than not containing progesterone, how does your wild yam cream differ

> from all the other wild yam creams out there? What I mean is, if the other

> wild yam creams don't actually do anything to affect hormone levels, how is

> yours different? What exactly are the "building blocks" it contains that you

> mentioned? By what mechanisms does the cream actually create progesterone in

> the body?



Then, in the response, there are about a bajillion words, give or take 

a few. But not a one of those words seems to be an answer to any one of 

the questions above. 



I am reminded of an old saying, something about how to proceed "if you 

cannot dazzle them with brilliance." 



-- 

----   Art Sackett   ----



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam/progesterone?

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com>

Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:21:33 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "marcia v grossbard" <ngbard@juno.com> :



> A particular product may claim to have a 12% Diosgenin content, but 

> in fact  be totally devoid of the useful chemistry it is meant to

provide.



Does this mean that wild yam pills are useless in encouraging

progesterone activity in the body?

 

Marcia



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam/progesterone?

From: "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com>

Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:20:47 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com> :



And if this is true of claims, it could also be true of her claim.



Janine

www.HerbaTherapy.com



> > A particular product may claim to have a 12% Diosgenin content, but in

fact  be totally devoid of the useful chemistry it is meant to provide.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam/progesterone?

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:37:45 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by "Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard@juno.com> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



> > A particular product may claim to have a 12% Diosgenin content, but 

> > in fact  be totally devoid of the useful chemistry it is meant to

> provide.

> 

> Does this mean that wild yam pills are useless in encouraging

> progesterone activity in the body?



Yes. 



Wild yam, the herb, is a very good one at reducing cramps, but that's about it.



ANY saponin-containing plant will work just as much like progesterone as does

wild yam ... horse chestnut, bouncing bet, the works. Ie, _none_ of them do.



Saponin is a raw material for the _laboratory_, to make hormone look-alikes.



People use _cholesterols_ to make hormones.



If you have a shortage of cholesterols you have worse troubles than an upset

hormone system. You have, for instance, the watery big belly of famine.



Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland     http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Herb FAQs, pictures, classic texts, articles, archives, plant names  ...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Wild yam (mostly nitpicking)

From: hkobayas <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu>

Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:08:33 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Hideka Kobayashi" <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu> :



Kerry,



It is good for us to know about this, but did you get permission to post her 

message? This is NOT nitpicking, but I would be a little uncomfortable doing 

this myself.



Anyway, the woman's reply is a little (very?) confusing.



First of all, a small nitpicking.



<Its value lies in the close resemblance of the phyto-hormones to

those in human physiology,>



Coming from a plant science, a phytohormone means a compound (e.g., auxin, 

cytokinin, etc) produced by plants that have effect on their growth, 

development, and metabolism. Depending on who you talk to, this varies, but 

neither Diosgenin nor progesterone is considered to be a "phytohormone." This 

use of the term must be fairly new, or possibliy her creation?



<the phytohormonalchemistry must be extracted from the plant source.>



Another nitpicking: How do you extract chemistry?



<there are no guidelines nor standards upon which to base an objective

analysis. A particular product may claim to have a 12% Diosgenin content, but 

in fact be totally devoid of the useful chemistry it is meant to provide.>



This does not sound right to me. Yes, wild yam is not a drug in US, but 

Dietary Supplement, so there is no "official" guide line set up by US 

govenment. However, as is with any phytochemical products marketed, there must 

be a protocol, and "standars," meaning chemical compound(s) used to adjust 

final content of Diosgenin in the products. I am not making a point about how 

accurate it is, but there must be one. I will dig into this.



But basically, her response was directly from the webpage. I am not sure if 

she understands what she really is saying.



<Each of these is essential in the steps producing the correct homeostatic 

balance.>



Then my response would be one should not really mess up with her/his body by 

using this product. Lack of compounds surely have effect, but so does excess.



<To make matters worse, natural progesterone products are actually a drug.>



This sentence was found on the original web page, and it does not make sense 

to me at all. Isn't diosgenin a drug?



<The confusion comes, when men start referring to what they have made in the

laboratory to mimic "true progesterone" as "natural progesterone". It is not

natural>



The whole part defies what she wrote. According to her, the chemical balance 

and the process of making progesterone are important, not just the compounds. 

So it really does not matter if it is natural or synthetic. Since plant 

progesterone is not "true" one, how is it good for you if I follow her logic?



<Homer, knew that the body would know how to use the phyto-progesterones to 

restore balance if it just had adequate amounts of them.>



Any data to perfect the formulation?



<This cream was a natural selection for the base of this wild yam product>



Natural selection!



<Kerry I hope this information has answered your questions!>



Very confusing. I know what she is trying to say, but the more I read, the 

more I became suspicious.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam (mostly nitpicking)

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:44:34 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by "Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



hkobayas <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



> <To make matters worse, natural progesterone products are actually a drug.>

> 

> This sentence was found on the original web page, and it does not make sense 

> to me at all. Isn't diosgenin a drug?



Diosgenin is a single isolated constituent of the plant, Dioscorea.



Natural progesterone is the end result of hormone manufacturing, coming out of a

lab.



> <The confusion comes, when men start referring to what they have made in the

> laboratory to mimic "true progesterone" as "natural progesterone". It is not

> natural>

> 

> The whole part defies what she wrote. According to her, the chemical balance 

> and the process of making progesterone are important, not just the compounds. 

> So it really does not matter if it is natural or synthetic. Since plant 

> progesterone is not "true" one, how is it good for you if I follow her logic?



Nah, she just doesn't understand the terminology. 



The only way a natural progesterone would be a true progesterone would be if it

came from _your_ corpus luteum. Or possibly from your confused other hormonal

glands.



> <This cream was a natural selection for the base of this wild yam product>

> 

> Natural selection!



Think of it as evolution in action ...



> <Kerry I hope this information has answered your questions!>

> 

> Very confusing. I know what she is trying to say, but the more I read, the 

> more I became suspicious.



She sounds like total bogus. Drop her.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland     http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Herb FAQs, pictures, classic texts, articles, archives, plant names  ...



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam (mostly nitpicking)

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:35:36 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



From: "hkobayas" <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu>

To: <herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu>

Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 12:08 AM

Subject: [herb] Wild yam (mostly nitpicking)



> Sent to the herblist by "Hideka Kobayashi" <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu> :

>

> Kerry,

>

> It is good for us to know about this, but did you get permission to post

her

> message? This is NOT nitpicking, but I would be a little uncomfortable

doing

> this myself.



Normally I would NOT post personal emails, at least without securing

permission, but I felt as though this is different. This is a sales pitch,

and she's explaining to me why her product is better than the other products

out there. If she's on the level, then she should have NO problem standing

behind her words, and having other people hear what she has to say. If

anything, she should be appreciative (if she's on the level) because I just

shared with several dozen other people about what a great product she has

<tic>.



Thank you, everyone, for your responses. I also felt that she seemed to be

using obfuscation and big words to deflect my questions, and I'm secure in

the belief that she really is full of beans, as I originally thought, and

her wild yam cream is like all the other wild yam creams out there (or even

less so, since hers doesn't even contain progesterone) - might be good for

cramps, but that's about it.



I'm not going to respond to her, as I know there's going to be no changing

her mind, but I'll continue with my "wild yam debunking" campaign, secure in

my superior knowledge. ;-)



BTW, interestingly enough, Susun Weed also apparently believes the wild

yam/progesterone myth. I emailed her about an article of hers I read where

she recommends wild yam for regulating progesterone, and in her response to

me, she sort of back-pedeled and said "oh, well, maybe it's not PROGESTERONE

it produces, but taking it does produce SOME hormone - which one would be up

to your body."



Is there any research out there suggesting that wild yam has ANY effect on a

person's hormones, when taken in its natural form?



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam (mostly nitpicking)

From: Marco Valussi <marcobabi@libero.it>

Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:18:10 +0100

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Sent to the herblist by "Marco Valussi" <marcobabi@libero.it> :



> Hi Kerry, sure I would be happy to explain <snip for decence> most effective wild yam cream available.>



Sure...

If anyone needs this profusion of words in order not to clarify the issue you

already know where they are coming from.



As for the building block theory, the only real building block for progesteron

in a human body is cholesterol, and anyway why would I want to use a cream and

not just eat wild yam?



And if it is a 'true', 'natural' wild yam cream, it shouldn't really contain

diosgenin but dioscin.



Interestingly enough  when diosgenin was tested in animal models (I can't find

the reference right now) it had an oestrogenic effect, not a progestogenic one.



> BTW, interestingly enough, Susun Weed also apparently believes the wild

> yam/progesterone myth. I emailed her about an article of hers I read where

> she recommends wild yam for regulating progesterone, and in her response to

> me, she sort of back-pedeled and said "oh, well, maybe it's not PROGESTERONE

> it produces, but taking it does produce SOME hormone - which one would be up

> to your body."

> 

> Is there any research out there suggesting that wild yam has ANY effect on a

> person's hormones, when taken in its natural form?

 

AFAIK there is no evidence that saponins can act as hormone-like substances;

some saponins do interfere with steroid metabolism to the effect of

increasing/decreasing their metabolism/clearance, hence causing a

reduction/augmentation of steroidal hematic levels, but their are not

mimicking steroids, occupying receptor sites.  Some authors (Mills and Bone)

have put forward the hypothesis that some saponins, like those found in

Dioscorea and Tribulus, might act as weak agonists at hypothalamic oestrogen

receptors, tricking the body into believing that hematic oestrogen levels are

lower than they really are (in premenopausal women), or higher (in post

menopausal women), a bit like isoflavonoids are supposed to work, but this is

unsubstantiated, just an hypothesis - a credible one at least - to explain

certain empirical data.



Cheers

Marco

-- 

Marco Valussi BSc (Hons.) Herbal Medicine

Medical Herbalist

Vicolo Santa Cecilia 7

37121 Verona

Italy



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam (mostly nitpicking)

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:08:04 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "May Terry" <mterry@snet.net> :



Kerry and Jack wrote:



> BTW, interestingly enough, Susun Weed also apparently believes the wild

> yam/progesterone myth. I emailed her about an article of hers I read where

> she recommends wild yam for regulating progesterone, and in her response to

> me, she sort of back-pedeled and said "oh, well, maybe it's not PROGESTERONE

> it produces, but taking it does produce SOME hormone - which one would be up

> to your body."



I vote for endorphins.



So is there another way to do herbally what we wish wild yam would do?



May

--

When I am not creating more today than I did yesterday, or last night, these are

the days I go wild and crazy and do all sorts of wild crimes that I would never

do if I had found a way to reach out and shake hands with creation.  --Woody

Guthrie



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam (mostly nitpicking)

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:55:50 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



>

> So is there another way to do herbally what we wish wild yam would do?

>



Yep, vitex. It stimulates the pituitary to increase luteinizing hormone and

decrease FSH, which in turn steps up production of progesterone.



Of course, vitex is cheap, most people can't make $30 of a little 2 oz.

bottle of it, so it's not as lucrative a business as wild yam creams.



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam (mostly nitpicking)

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:33:43 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "May Terry" <mterry@snet.net> :



Kerry and Jack wrote:



> > So is there another way to do herbally what we wish wild yam would do?

> >

>

> Yep, vitex. It stimulates the pituitary to increase luteinizing hormone and

> decrease FSH, which in turn steps up production of progesterone.

>



Okay, a question...I just turned 50 this month.  My menstrual cycles are still

pretty regular, though I've been having hot flashes for years.  I also have

heavy periods; small fibroids were diagnosed on ultrasound about 4 or 5 years

ago.



I began to take vitex during the luteal phase of my cycle about 7 or 8 months

ago.  It didn't seem to do anything; it certainly didn't make my bleeding any

lighter.  Based on something Marco, I think, said, I added black cohosh to the

beginning half of the cycle, and seemed to do a little better--somewhat lighter

periods and fewer hot flashes.  Then, last month, I flaked out totally and took

black cohosh for the entire cycle, forgetting to add the vitex.  I was *much*

better.  I have continued it this month; if I forget a day, I get many more hot

flashes.  Someone had mentioned that black cohosh can make bleeding heavier;

the opposite happened with me.  Any ideas?



BTW, evening primrose oil makes a big difference in the emotional

perimenopausal symptoms.



May

--

When I am not creating more today than I did yesterday, or last night, these

are the days I go wild and crazy and do all sorts of wild crimes that I would

never do if I had found a way to reach out and shake hands with creation.

--Woody Guthrie



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam (mostly nitpicking)

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:35:20 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by "Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



May Terry <mterry@snet.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



> Kerry and Jack wrote:

> 

> > BTW, interestingly enough, Susun Weed also apparently believes the wild

> > yam/progesterone myth. I emailed her about an article of hers I read where

> > she recommends wild yam for regulating progesterone, and in her response to

> > me, she sort of back-pedeled and said "oh, well, maybe it's not PROGESTERONE

> > it produces, but taking it does produce SOME hormone - which one would be up

> > to your body."

> 

> I vote for endorphins.



Good one.



> So is there another way to do herbally what we wish wild yam would do?



That depends. What do you want wild yam to do?



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam (mostly nitpicking)

From: May Terry <mterry@snet.net>

Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:58:23 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "May Terry" <mterry@snet.net> :



Henriette Kress wrote:



> May Terry <mterry@snet.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:

>

> > So is there another way to do herbally what we wish wild yam would do?

>

> That depends. What do you want wild yam to do?

>

> Henriette



Cure my 'mental pause'?  Just kidding.  Maybe even out the hormone swings?

--

When I am not creating more today than I did yesterday, or last night, these are the

days I go wild and crazy and do all sorts of wild crimes that I would never do if I

had found a way to reach out and shake hands with creation.  --Woody Guthrie



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Wild yam (mostly nitpicking)

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:00:41 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by "Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



May Terry <mterry@snet.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:

> Henriette Kress wrote:

> > May Terry <mterry@snet.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:

> >

> > > So is there another way to do herbally what we wish wild yam would do?

> >

> > That depends. What do you want wild yam to do?

> 

> Cure my 'mental pause'?  Just kidding.  Maybe even out the hormone swings?



Menopausal hormone swings? That's either motherwort (Leonurus) or Gypsywort

(Lycopus). They're pretty good; take a few drops as needed.



What they do is, they slow down an overactive thyroid. The thyroid is overactive

because your cycle this time around (remember this is menopause) was _so_ lousy

that you didn't get a working corpus luteum at all. So your pituitary and

hypothalamus aren't releasing gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GRH) and

luteinizing hormone (LH) in a steady slow trickle, they're _screaming_ those

into the bloodstream. When you have enough hormone-stimulating hormones ohter

glands start to react, among those, the thyroid. Voila, hot flushes.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Tinnitis

From: LadyLavendar <womensherbals@yahoo.com>

Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:25:44 -0800 (PST)

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Sent to the herblist by "asma hanif" <womensherbals@yahoo.com> :



Greetings,



I have been reading responses for a couple of months

now, and I must say that I am impressed at the wisdom

out there among those of us who deal with 'real'

situations.  Therefore, I want to know if there is

anyone who has had any success with treating

'tinnitis' or 'ringing in the ears'.  I know the books

say ginkgo biloba, but thus far nothing has worked.

                   ll 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Virus

From: hkobayas <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu>

Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:35:04 -0600

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Hideka Kobayashi" <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu> :



I think I received a message containing virus as attach. file through this

listserv. It was suspicous and I did not open it of course. I replied to the

addresss, which bounced back, and the e-mail program I am using kept asking me

if I wanted to open "non-secure" item. I am not sure if anyone has gotten

this, but be aware! It was from Australia.







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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Virus

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:01:04 +0200

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



hkobayas <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



> Sent to the herblist by "Hideka Kobayashi" <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu> :

> 

> I think I received a message containing virus as attach. file through this

> listserv. It was suspicous and I did not open it of course. I replied to the

> addresss, which bounced back, and the e-mail program I am using kept asking me

> if I wanted to open "non-secure" item. I am not sure if anyone has gotten

> this, but be aware! It was from Australia.



You can get a virus from some listmember directly, but *not* over the list.

Lyris blocks all and any attach*ents, and also the text attach<cough>ment.

That's so whenever somebody picks up yet another one we don't see hundreds of

listmembers with problematic email programs hit with it; instead, we see recent

posters respond.



That's because some viruses pick up unopened email in the inbox, reply to it,

and delete their reply. Most recent viruses latch onto such weaknesses in MS

Email programs; while Netscape also comes bundled with an email function in the

browser I haven't heard of any viruses that'd be able to exploit that one.



Anyhow, with viruses abounding these days you should set your version of

Windows, if that's what you use, to show you all file extensions. That way you

_know_ to avoid all sexy.gif.pif or lotsafun.jpg.scr or watchme.gif.dll or

goodjoke.txt.exe -files. I think that's the ones that work as programs - .pif,

.scr, .dll and .exe. Oh yes, and .com, too. 



File extensions: you can see them all if you go to Windows Explorer / View /

Options; here, select "Show all files" _and_ unselect "Hide file extensions for

known file types". Sometimes that last one is missing, in which case you need to

tweak your registry. (Sorry, can't seem to find the web page that told me how to

do this; you'll have to do your own google search.)



And get a good firewall. I _really_ like ZoneAlarm, and it's free for the

private user.



Cheers

Henriette, listowner.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] help needed for skin condition

From: R Dresner <saopedro@yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:39:09 -0800 (PST)

--------

Sent to the herblist by "r dresner" <saopedro@yahoo.com> :



Can anybody help me this one.



My wife is currently following a sugar/yeast free diet and taking antifungals (GSE) in a bid to

combat candida overgrowth.

One of the symptoms is what our homeopath describes as "athelete's foot of the hand", i.e. little

bubbles under the skin of one finger. To me it looks similar in appearance to when you have just

been stung by a bunch of stinging nettles.

She has tried using tea tree oil neat on the finger, but to no avail. This has made the skin

condition worse - the skin is very cracked and puffed up and has a clear liquid oozing out of the

cracks. Needless to say the itching is driving her to distraction.



Tea tree oil cream or calendula oitment didn't help either.



Does anyone have experience of dealing this skin condition or have any suggestions?



Thanks a bundle,



Rick.



saopedro@yahoo.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Tinnitis

From: Elizabeth Scotten <bek@timelessremedies.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:33:53 -0500

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Elizabeth Scotten" <timelesstree@earthlink.net> :



on 11/25/01 7:25 PM, LadyLavendar at womensherbals@yahoo.com wrote:



> Therefore, I want to know if there is

> anyone who has had any success with treating

> 'tinnitis' or 'ringing in the ears'.



Strangely enough, mu neighbor and i were talking about this not too long

ago. The only thing that helped her was cutting out salt, coffee, alcohol

and sugar completely from her diet. It took about a month to notice a

difference, but that was the only thing that helped her.



In Health - bek



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Tinnitis

From: Art Sackett <asackett@artsackett.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:44:41 -0700

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Art Sackett" <medherb@artsackett.com> :



On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 04:25:44PM -0800, LadyLavendar wrote:



> Therefore, I want to know if there is

> anyone who has had any success with treating

> 'tinnitis' or 'ringing in the ears'.  I know the books

> say ginkgo biloba, but thus far nothing has worked.



I've been living with tinnitus for over 30 years, haven't found 

anything, yet, that works to reduce the volume of the ringing. I 

haven't given it as much effort as many others have, though, and have 

mostly just relied upon a happy outlook to keep it from driving me to 

distraction. The next thing I'm likely to try, from a company I know

very little about and am not affiliated with, is:



http://www.is2k.net/is2k/A&A%20store/itm00001.htm (manufacturer)

http://www.pennherb.com/cgibin/herbstore.cgi/go?;8317 (more info)



It's called "Bio-Ear Formula", contains Aloe, "Ginseng root, Bitter 

Orange, Dandelion root, Myrrh, Saffron, Senna leaves, Camphor, Rhubarb 

root, Zedoary root, Carline Thistle root, Angelica root" and is applied 

topically, by placing a small amount on a cotton ball and placing it 

into the affected ear(s). I don't know if it works, whether or not any 

or all of those ingredients can be expected to have the desired effect, 

but am eventually going to give it a try.



If anyone on the list has any insight into the matter, I'd sure love to 

hear it. Instead of this darned ringing :-)



-- 

----   Art Sackett   ----



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Tinnitis

From: polo@ccp.com

Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:33:26 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Doug Ahart" <polo@ccp.com> :



         Like eye problems, the only herbalist, I have had a chance to 

study much, and who seems to have proven his formulas and protocol via 

actual clinical experience--would be Dr. Christopher and his pupil, Dr. 

Richard Schulze.

         Christopher has claimed to cured cases of deafness and tinnitis by 

the use of his, "B & B" formula: (parts in volumes only)



1 part Blue Cohosh

1 part Black Cohosh

1 part Lobelia



His protege, Dr. Richard Schulze modified this original formula to:



1 part Black Cohosh

1 part Blue Cohosh

1 part Blue Vervain

1 part Skullcap

1 part Lobelia

1 part Skunk Cabbage



         The protocol is the same for both. Dr Christopher used his B and B 

tincture in the ears at night. He would use a dropper and without placing 

the dropper actually in the ear (for pressure issues), the formula was 

dropped into each ear and ear stoppered with cotton overnight. Use 4-6 

drops into each ear. The ears are washed out once a week with lukewarm 

water mixed half and half with some apple cider vinegar. He cured cases of 

total deafness by doing this. Plug the ears with cotton to keep the 

tincture in at night. Either use the original or updated formula.

         A web page covering the same material:



http://www.herbsfirst.com/NewsLetters/0599hear.html



doug



At 07:44 AM 11/26/01 -0700, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by "Art Sackett" <medherb@artsackett.com> :

>

>On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 04:25:44PM -0800, LadyLavendar wrote:

>

>

>I've been living with tinnitus for over 30 years, haven't found

>anything, yet, that works to reduce the volume of the ringing. I

>haven't given it as much effort as many others have, though, and have

>mostly just relied upon a happy outlook to keep it from driving me to

>distraction.........

>

>If anyone on the list has any insight into the matter, I'd sure love to

>hear it. Instead of this darned ringing :-)

>

>--

>----   Art Sackett   ----



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Tinnitis

From: "Robin Dorey" <rdorey@mtdata.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:34:47 -0400

--------

Sent to the herblist by "robin dorey" <rdorey@mtdata.com> :



Hi,



I have Menieres disease and was getting some tinnitis as is common with the

disease.  I had acupuncture and it reduced it tremendously.  It isn't herbal

but it worked for me.  Robin



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Tinnitis

From: "Demetria" <demetria@demetria.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:33:42 -0500

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Demetria" <demetria@demetria.com> :



Gingko is great for tinnitis. Use in courses though. 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Tinnitis

From: "michelle morton- niyama" <lakshmi@kingcon.com>

Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:24:17 -0500

--------

Sent to the herblist by "michelle c morton" <lakshmi@kingcon.com> :



Hello

Yes- acupuncture should help- tinnitus is a common "diagnostic" in TCM...

can mean kidney deficiency or liver wind- depending on how it came on-



Michelle



> disease.  I had acupuncture and it reduced it tremendously.  It isn't

herbal

> but it worked for me.  Robin



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: help needed for skin condition

From: Elizabeth Scotten <bek@timelessremedies.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:39:18 -0500

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Elizabeth Scotten" <timelesstree@earthlink.net> :



on 11/26/01 3:39 AM, R Dresner at saopedro@yahoo.com wrote:



> She has tried using tea tree oil neat on the finger, but to no avail. This has

> made the skin

> condition worse - the skin is very cracked and puffed up and has a clear

> liquid oozing out of the

> cracks. Needless to say the itching is driving her to distraction.



I have had that type of reaction to poison ivy and sumac. What has helped me

is a combination of witch hazel extract, jewel weed and lavender oil. When

the oozing is intolerable, just simple baking soda can be really soothing as

well.



Hope this helps - bek

-- 

bek@timelessremedies.com

http://www.timelessremedies.com



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: FW: JAN SCHMIDT, YOU HAVE A VIRUS

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:06:21 +0200

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



"Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



> at*ached file was FUN.MP3.pif with stated content type audio/x-wav which could

> have been a fake to lure the user into thinking it really was audio/x-wav.



This is the most recent virus:



  http://www.fsecure.com/v-descs/badtrs_b.shtml



Badtrans.b



It works much like sircam in that it picks up email addresses where it can; (eg.

your address book, your incoming email, and the temp internet folder of IE

exploder); it works on outcook or outcook express; it sends itself in the

background.



Get rid of outcook, is what I'm saying. And as I've gotten about 40 of the

bloody thing so far, I'm also saying to get rid of IE exploder. Becuase it's

from temp int folder things that people get _my_ email address. Sheesh.



Anyhow, it doesn't help too much to reply to these emails; better to check the

headers and email the postmaster, because this virus forges the from: line.

Also, it sends your passwords and keyword logs to some hotmail address (which

hopefully has been closed down), in addition to putting a trojan on you PC (so

use a firewall).



Anyway, people should wake up and smell the roses. Outcook and express will

_never_ be safe. Use things like Eudora or something such. And get that

firewall. ZoneAlarm is very good, some the others report things that aren't a

problem and leave trojans to run free.



Henriette



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re:Virus

From: "Jan Schmidt" <jans@adams.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:41:41 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Jan Schmidt" <jans@adams.net> :



Good Morning Friends,

 When I caught the virus I had zone alarm  and AVG virus guard running. I

still have zone alarm and now Norton's virus guard. I spent and entire day

and evening repairing my computer.

 The virus had just been released hours before I caught it.

My sincere apologies to the entire list.

Please forgive me,

Jan Schmidt

www.sweetprairiesoap.com

soap & sundries wholesale/retail

Collapsible Soap Molds in 2 sizes.

jans@adams.net

www.sweetprairiesoap.com

soap & sundries wholesale/retail

Collapsible Soap Molds in 2 sizes.

jans@adams.net



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: tinitis

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:07:12 EST

--------

Sent to the herblist by Elfreem@aol.com :



Reply with your name and address and I'll send you an ear drop formula 

I've used for my wife for migraine and for my son for dizziness.

The drops completely aborted my wife's migraine within minutes one

time ..another time it only decreased her level of pain. My son was

a diver on his high school swim team and couldn't do anything until

I gave him the ear drops ..the dizziness vanished.



All I ask is that if it helps you describe the nature of the tinitis,

medication you've taken, the effects of the ear drops in detail.



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh

The Shared Newsletter



>  I have been reading responses for a couple of months

>  now, and I must say that I am impressed at the wisdom

>  out there among those of us who deal with 'real'

>  situations.  Therefore, I want to know if there is

>  anyone who has had any success with treating

>  'tinnitis' or 'ringing in the ears'.  I know the books

>  say ginkgo biloba, but thus far nothing has worked.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Risks of cirrhotic person using topical comfrey

From: "Kerry and Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com>

Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:14:18 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



In case "cirrhotic" is a made up word, I mean a person who has cirrhosis. In

your opinions (and I'm not holding you to it, I'd just like other people's

feedback on the issue), is there any risk to a person who has cirrhosis

using a salve which contains S. officinalis leaf to a cat scratch rash.

Apparently the person was scratched 5 years ago, and the rash has continued,

in spite of applications of petroleum jelly (??). Anyway, the person would

like to like to try an antibacterial salve which contains comfrey, but is

wondering about the relative risks vs. benefits.



As always, your thoughts are appreciated.



Kerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Maca

From: emunah@twelvetribes.com

Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:50:57 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by emunah@twelvetribes.com :



Hello all,

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience growing/using 

this herb  (Lepidium meyenii), esp with endocrine disorders....

Thanks

emunah



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] freezing herbs

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com

Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:32:03 EST

--------

Sent to the herblist by herbmednurse@aol.com :



I have a bulk amount of herbs that I wondered if it would be okay to seal up 

and place in a deep freezer?  I may not use the amount for over a year, and 

I'd like to be able to make sure that it retains as much potency as possible. 

 Some of the herb I  like to use for different preparations.  So - does 

freezing change the potency of the herb?

thanks! phebe



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] water retention formula?

From: "Renee" <rja86@webtv.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:27:49 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "Renee" <rja86@webtv.net> :



Hi everyone and Happy Holidays.  I have had alot of water retention for

months now. Fingers swollen, sometimes ankles, bloated around liver/tummy.

 My blood tests regarding kidneys, liver, urnine are all normal. I tried

dandelion, nettle tincture, but it doesn't help.  Even drink a detox tea

in am.  Is there a formula I can put together that is a STONG diuretic. 

If so, can you give me the parts, dose, etc.? Or, something I can get at

health food store that is strong?  I appreciate your help and thank you in

advance.



Take good care,

Renee



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: water retention formula?

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:29:59 EST

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Meg" <melesana@aol.com> :



Renee, Dandelion leaf tinctured 1:1 in 40% alcohol (well, I put in a bit of 

vinegar and a bit of glycerin too) is working fairly well for me, much better 

than dandelion root or whole plant.  



Meg



==========

To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: water retention formula?

From: rja86@webtv.net (Renee and Jerry Amonette)

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:34:14 -0800 (PST)

--------

Sent to the herblist by "Renee" <rja86@webtv.net> :



Thank you to everyone for all thier wonderful advice as always.  Andrew,

I looked up spleen in my medical dictionary, and will do more homework

on it.  Marcia,  my blood pressure is nice and low, cholesterol is  in

the 150's, but I think I'm premenopausal, and I will see about finding

the Buchu too.  Will eat more asparagus!!  Meg, I tried dandelion leaf

and also dandelion rt. tincture, but maybe am not taking enough?

Veronica, I am a vegetarian, so I don't eat animal, chkn, fish.  BUT,

soy products contain alot of salt, so will watch that better.  Gloria

and Joanie, I will buy some dandelion leaf and make tea and see if it

helps better.  I drink alot more water in summer, but I still try to get

about 6 - 8 glasses/day, but more on the 6 in winter.  Will try to

increase.  I have Interstitial Cystitis, so my poor bladder gets a

workout every day and night, lol.

Thank all of you again and Merry Christmas. ;)



 



Merry Christmas!!!



Love,  

Rene and Jerry



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: Risks of cirrhotic person using topical comfrey

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:24:30 -0500 (EST)

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From "Kerry L." <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> :



> In case "cirrhotic" is a made up word, I mean a person who has cirrhosis. In

  your opinions (and I'm not holding you to it, I'd just like other people's

  feedback on the issue), is there any risk to a person who has cirrhosis

  using a salve which contains S. officinalis leaf to a cat scratch rash.

  Apparently the person was scratched 5 years ago, and the rash has continued,

  in spite of applications of petroleum jelly (??). Anyway, the person would

  like to like to try an antibacterial salve which contains comfrey, but is

  wondering about the relative risks vs. benefits.



I'm inclined to think the risk would be extremely low, though there is still the

question whether the antibacterial salve is advantageous (is there any

infection?), or whether comfrey is the best-suited herb.  There is the question

why the rash has persisted 5 years, and is the skin rough, sore or itchy.  There

are people on this list whose herbal expertise far exceeds mine, hopefully one

of them has more insight.



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] water retention formula

From: "globird" <globird@tenmegs.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:40:43 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "gloria scholbe" <globird@tenmegs.com> :



Hi Renee,

Instead of tincutures, try taking dandelion as a tea. How much water are

you driniking? The best thing is to drink at least eight 8 oz glasses of

water a day. The more water you drink, the less water you will retain.



gloria



 > Subject: water retention formula?

> From: "Renee" <rja86@webtv.net>

> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:27:49 -0500

> X-Message-Number: 2

>

> Hi everyone and Happy Holidays.  I have had alot of water retention

for

> months now. Fingers swollen, sometimes ankles, bloated around

liver/tummy.

>  My blood tests regarding kidneys, liver, urnine are all normal. I

tried

> dandelion, nettle tincture, but it doesn't help.  Even drink a detox

tea

> in am.  Is there a formula I can put together that is a STONG

diuretic.

> If so, can you give me the parts, dose, etc.? Or, something I can get

at

> health food store that is strong?  I appreciate your help and thank

you in

> advance.

>

> Take good care,

> Renee



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: water retention formula

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas@bigsky.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:37:23 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Veronica Honthaas" <honthaas@bigsky.net> :



In addition to the herbs you choose to take for water retention make sure

your are not eating things that will exacerbate the problem.  That might

include: deli meats, bacon, ham,etc which have a lot of chemicals in

addition to all the salt. Even commercial beef with all of the stuff they

feed the cows can cause water retention. I would try and stay away from all

preservatives, also.I, personally, can pretty much count on swollen fingers

if I eat non-organic beef. Veronica



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: water retention formula

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:51:47 -0500

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good idea...dandelion is not called *pisenlit* or *piss in bed* for nothing~

and as to the idea of drinking more water to retain less, I find the same

principle applies to eating...I only gain weight when I stop eating a

lot...oh, there are a lot of off-topic retentive principles i can come up

with when I think about it...

Joanie



>Instead of tincutures, try taking dandelion as a tea. How much water are

>you driniking? The best thing is to drink at least eight 8 oz glasses of

>water a day. The more water you drink, the less water you will retain.

>gloria



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] RE: freezing herbs

From: "Gardenthyme Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:24:24 -0500

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Sent to the herblist by "GardenThyme~Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net> :



I wash them if their dirty, pat the water off them, lay them out on a cookie

sheet and freeze them, then I seal them into plastic bags.  I also have put

them in ice cube trays and frozen them that way. (Lemon Balm, Parsley,

chives)  Some herbs just do not dry well, thus the reason for freezing on my

part.  They are just wonderful when you use them, losing little of their

flavor and potency, in my opinion.



Dee

"The Gardenthyme Lady"

The first and greatest commandment is, Don't let them scare you.--Elmer

Davis



-----Original Message-----

From: Herbmednurse@aol.com [mailto:Herbmednurse@aol.com]

Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:32 PM

To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] freezing herbs



Sent to the herblist by herbmednurse@aol.com :



I have a bulk amount of herbs that I wondered if it would be okay to seal up

and place in a deep freezer?  I may not use the amount for over a year, and

I'd like to be able to make sure that it retains as much potency as

possible.

 Some of the herb I  like to use for different preparations.  So - does

freezing change the potency of the herb?

thanks! phebe



--



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: freezing herbs

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:01:10 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by "Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Herbmednurse@aol.com wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



> I have a bulk amount of herbs that I wondered if it would be okay to seal up 

> and place in a deep freezer?  I may not use the amount for over a year, and 

> I'd like to be able to make sure that it retains as much potency as possible. 

>  Some of the herb I  like to use for different preparations.  So - does 

> freezing change the potency of the herb?



If they're dry, not noticeably.

If they're fresh, nah.



Either way, keep them in airtight bags or jars; but that's so self-evident that

it goes without saying, no?



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta@saunalahti.fi     Helsinki, Finland     http://ibiblio.org/herbmed

Herb FAQs, pictures, classic texts, articles, archives, plant names  ...







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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: freezing herbs

From: hecuba <kriemhld@arctic.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:25:12 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "hecuba" <kriemhld@arctic.net> :



<some snippage re freezing fresh herbs>



>Either way, keep them in airtight bags or jars; but that's so self-evident 

>that

>it goes without saying, no?

>

>Cheers

>Henriette



Would it make a difference if they were "vacuum sealed" before being frozen 

or not?  The equipment to do this is reasonable (but still a little pricey) 

up here since so many people use it for fish and you can buy it at the 

discount stores when the salmon are running.  My friends who use the vacuum 

freezing method say it _does_ cut down on "freezer burn" when freezing fish 

or meat for more than a few months or so.



I don't know of anybody who uses it for herbs though.  If it does make a 

difference, is it sufficient to get frozen herbs through the year until 

they are available for harvest again?



Thank you,



Gudrun



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Rauwolfia

From: "rochelle" <rochelle@ntlworld.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:48:45 -0000

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Sent to the herblist by "rochelle" <rochelle@ntlworld.com> :



Does anyone know where I might obtain Rauwolfia in a herbal tincture in UK.?

I want to try it for HBP.

Thanks,



Rochelle



www.rochellemarsden.co.uk



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] vacuum & herbs

From: polo@ccp.com

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:21:31 -0600

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Sent to the herblist by "Doug Ahart" <polo@ccp.com> :



	I just purchased a "factory serviced" Tilia vacuum food system ($61.00US), 

and I love it. It should allow me to keep my dried herbs for a longer 

period of time than the normal non-vacuumed storage way. I mainly plan to 

use the jar sealer acessory from this unit. I take empty mason jars, add 

the dried herb and then remove the air.

	I, also, find this perfect for increasing the efficiency of the maceration 

process. I take a mason jar, add the herb, place in the proper amount of 

menstruum, then suck the air out with the Tilia jar sealer. Days later, I 

can look at it and little bubbles are still streaming to the top of the 

menstruum. I think the vacuum causes the air to be removed from the herb 

mixture which is, naturally, replaced by the menstruum in turn. More 

menstruum comes in contact of the herb via the vacuum process vs the 

traditional non-vacuum maceration process. I got this idea from a little 

book I have read, "The Practical Handbook of Plant Alchemy" by Junius. I 

can also use this Tilia system for vacuuming the air out of plastic bags 

full of herbs, though the bags are expensive and purists may not like 

plastic next to the herb.



doug



At 10:25 PM 11/29/01 -0600, you wrote:

Sent to the herblist by "hecuba" <kriemhld@arctic.net> :

I don't know of anybody who uses it for herbs though. If it does make a 

difference, is it sufficient to get frozen herbs through the year until 

they are available for harvest again?

Thank you,

Gudrun 



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] glass vs plastic

From: Melesana@aol.com

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:23:52 EST

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Sent to the herblist by "Meg" <melesana@aol.com> :



In a message dated 11/30/01 1:22:52 PM Mountain Standard Time, polo@ccp.com 

writes:



> purists may not like 

>  plastic next to the herb.



I'm glad you brought this up, Doug.  I've never seen anyone object to storing 

dried herbs in plastic bags.  What do you-all think about making and/or 

storing tinctures in anything other than glass?  I was taught to use only 

glass, so I do ... but I was taught to store in plastic, so I do that.  It 

would be more convenient to make and store tinctures in glass or plastic, 

whatever was handiest.  Is this heresy and/or inefficient and/or unhealthful?



Meg



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: glass vs plastic

From: Henriette Kress <hetta@saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:48:01 +0200

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Sent to the herblist by "Henriette Kress" <hetta@saunalahti.fi> :



Melesana@aol.com wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



> polo@ccp.com  writes:

> 

> > purists may not like plastic next to the herb.

> 

> I'm glad you brought this up, Doug.  I've never seen anyone object to storing 

> dried herbs in plastic bags.  What do you-all think about making and/or 

> storing tinctures in anything other than glass?  I was taught to use only 

> glass, so I do ... but I was taught to store in plastic, so I do that.  It 

> would be more convenient to make and store tinctures in glass or plastic, 

> whatever was handiest.  Is this heresy and/or inefficient and/or unhealthful?



If you freeze it you can use plastic. If you don't freeze it, use glass. And a

tight lid. And a dark cupboard.



Anything else is a waste of good herb, because anything else makes the herb

deteriorate faster.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

hetta_k@jippii.fi   Helsinki, Finland   http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed



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To: herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu

Subject: [herb] Re: vacuum & herbs

From: "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:56:26 -0700

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Sent to the herblist by "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com> :



For anyone that has one of these stores near them, it's called

Greenback's. I don't know of any in Calif, but here in Az they

are plentiful.

They have jars, blue and clear with the bail top for a $1. I bought

all the blue ones at the store I was in, for herbs and oils and bath

salts. 



Janine

www.HerbaTherapy.com

Salves, Soaps, Salts



