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Dear Doug



It may be that what you are doing is noiling away the alcohol at reduced

pressure. Is there a drop in the liquid level arter the initial air bubbles

have been removed?



Kindest regards,

Kevin Chisholm

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> Sent to the herblist by "Doug Ahart" <polo@ccp.com> :

>

> I just purchased a "factory serviced" Tilia vacuum food system ($61.00US),

..del...

Days later, I

> can look at it and little bubbles are still streaming to the top of the

menstruum. I think the vacuum causes the air to be removed from the herb

> mixture which is, naturally, replaced by the menstruum in turn.





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Dear Kevin,

         Very interesting thought, I will look into it and try to determine 

menstruum levels. Though, if it is in an enclosed environment, shouldn't 

the menstruum levels be the same even if the menstruum actually did 

"boil"?  Afterall, it cannot evaporate and go anywhere.  I, also, use DMSO 

as a menstruum with the same results and it has a boiling point of 372F 

compared to alcohol's approximate 93F.

         According to Junius in his "Practical Handbook of Plant Alchemy": 

"If we use a big enough container for the extraction of the plants, good 

circulation will develop during maceration.  The circulation becomes 

especially intensive if a partial vacuum has been created in the container. 

To do this, we need a thick walled flask that can be closed by a rubber 

stopper with a glass stopcock. We produce the vacuum with a proper pump. 

Vacuum maceration is gentle but intensive, especially in the sun."

         I do know that when marinating meats, that a vacuum will increase 

the process in minutes as opposed to hours without a vacuum. Would not the 

same principle apply to plant material?

         At any rate, I am not familiar with he physics of vacuum and 

maceration. I was taking a wild guess when I saw the bubbles stream to the 

surface.



thanks,



doug











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>Sent to the herblist by kchishol@fox.nstn.ca :

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>Dear Doug

>

>It may be that what you are doing is noiling away the alcohol at reduced

>pressure. Is there a drop in the liquid level arter the initial air bubbles

>have been removed?

>

>Kindest regards,

>Kevin Chisholm

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Dear Doug



Subject: [herb] Re: vacuum & herbs





>          Very interesting thought, I will look into it and try to

determine menstruum levels. Though, if it is in an enclosed environment,

shouldn't  the menstruum levels be the same even if the menstruum actually

did  "boil"?  Afterall, it cannot evaporate and go anywhere.



WHat could be happening is that the "boiled of alcohol" is being drawn off

by the vacuum pump.



I, also, use DMSO

> as a menstruum with the same results and it has a boiling point of 372F

> compared to alcohol's approximate 93F.



I think ethanol boils at about 173 F. I don't know the boiling point of

DMSO, but the boiling point is defined as the temperature under which the

liquid boils at a given ambient pressure. Water can boil at about 60F when

the ambient pressure is about 3 mm Hg.

>          According to Junius in his "Practical Handbook of Plant Alchemy":

> "If we use a big enough container for the extraction of the plants, good

> circulation will develop during maceration.  The circulation becomes

> especially intensive if a partial vacuum has been created in the

container.

> To do this, we need a thick walled flask that can be closed by a rubber

> stopper with a glass stopcock. We produce the vacuum with a proper pump.

> Vacuum maceration is gentle but intensive, especially in the sun."



Under a vacuum, as the fluid boils, it tends to cool. It will cool to the

point where the boiling point at the reduced temperature is reached. Setting

the jug in the sun will provide the energy ncessary for the fluid to

continue boiling at the available vacuum.



>          I do know that when marinating meats, that a vacuum will increase

> the process in minutes as opposed to hours without a vacuum. Would not the

> same principle apply to plant material?



I would think so.... I would imagine that when the meat is cut, air bubbles

are drawn into the capillaries, and when the vacuum is drawn, the air is

removed, and it can be replaced with the marinade.  This is also the reason

why one should cut rose stems under water for longevity of ythe flower... no

air bubbles to create embolisms in the rose stem.



>          At any rate, I am not familiar with he physics of vacuum and

> maceration. I was taking a wild guess when I saw the bubbles stream to the

> surface.



OK.... to do a vivid experiment.... put alcohol alone in the tincturing jar,

and draw a vacuum.... note whether bubbles form or not. If they do, then you

have a low temperature alcohol boiler. This wil detrimentally effect the

quality of your tinctures, in that the alcohol would be preferentially

removed, and, depending on the solubility properties of the constituents you

are wishing to extract, the residual alcohol content may be insufficient to

dissiolve them.

>

Please let us know what you find.



Kindest regards,



Kevin Chisholm





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> Sent to the herblist by "rochelle" <rochelle@ntlworld.com> :



> Does anyone know where I might obtain Rauwolfia in a herbal tincture in

UK.?

> I want to try it for HBP.

> Thanks,



Nowhere, because under the Medicines Act 1968 Rauwolfia is only available on

the prescription of a registered medical practitioner ie. not at all!



> Rochelle

>

> www.rochellemarsden.co.uk



Cheers



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What is rauwolfia?

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Called the Insanity Herb



Rauvolfia or rauwolfia (Rauwolfia serpentina)



APOCYNACEAE, Dogbane Family



Rauvolfia (Rauwolfia serpentina) is a small woody perennial from Indian and

the East Indies. Roots of this plant yield the alkaloid reserpine. This was

the first major tranquilizer, especially for the treatment of paranoia and

schizophrenia, as well as a substance that lowers blood pressure and

controls hypertension. Interestingly, rauvolfia was long used in India for

treating mental illness and snake bites, known to medicine men and peasants

as the "insanity herb," snakeroot, and chandra (= moon; moon disease or

lunacy). The alkaloid is effective for snake bites and scorpion stings.







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Although this plant was well known in India, westerners paid no attention to

it until an Indian physician wrote an article on rauvolfia in 1943. Because

of the drug's noted sedative effects, it was used to treat over a million

Indians in the 1940s for high blood pressure. After a U.S. physician named

Wilkins demonstrated the positive effects of reserpine (1952), the plant

made front page news. This drug rapidly replaced electric shock and lobotomy

as treatments for certain types of mental illness. Moreover, knowledge about

the chemistry of this natural plant stimulated the synthesis of other

similar alkaloids that are now used as major tranquilizers.



Many current prescriptions include reserpine or reserpine derivatives, the

source of which is India, where more than 90% of the natural rauvolfia is

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A close relative of mine has a prolactin-secreting pituitary tumor and has

kept it in check the past several years with drugs, but I would like to

know if anyone has had success in treating something like this...



He has had headaches for most of his life and has eaten the typical

American diet as well as living off painkillers for the headache and

coffee, salt, and sugar.  In the book by Henry Bieler M.D., Food is Your

Best Medicine, he explains how the pituitary gland can swell if the

endocrine system is trying to deal with the toxemia in the person's system

due to liver impairment.  He recommends cleansing the liver with short

fasts of diluted vegetable broth (zucchini, string beans, celery being the

main ones) and only protein, fats, or starches if they can be tolerated. 

The natural organic sodium in the vegetables helps the liver to heal.



My question is whether this would be a suitable remedy to bring the body

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astragalus....Or what other dietary regime?



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In a message dated 11/30/01 4:24:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 

Melesana@aol.com writes:



<<  I was taught to use only 

 glass, so I do ... but I was taught to store in plastic, so I do that.  It 

 would be more convenient to make and store tinctures in glass or plastic, 

 whatever was handiest.  Is this heresy and/or inefficient and/or unhealthful?

 

 Meg >>



Hi Meg ~



In my studies we did a lot of research on this...plastic tends to offgas for 

years.  If you can smell it on the shelves in the store don't even bring it 

home.  I always use glass.  For storage I use celophane bags of glass jars in 

the pharmacy.  



Ref:  



Robbins, John.  Diet for a New America.  NH:  Stillpoint Publ., 1987.



Dadd, Debra Lynn.  Nontoxic, Natural & Earthwise.NY: Pitnam Books, 1990.



Mary L. Conley, MNH, ND

Conley Farm Herbs, Professional Consultations 

Introducing new concepts in online learning

Online classes; 

  ~Mystical Forest Children's Herbs ~



Email contributions are for instructional value only and should not take the 

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Does anyone know of a wholesale supplier of jam sized ball jars.  I am in the 

Chicago area

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In a recent newsletter put out by Trinity Herbs, they have an interview with 

Brigitte Mars; and I don't know if they meant it as part of the interview - 

but several herbs are listed with uses that I've never heard of before.  I'd 

sure appreciate insight into these.  Maybe I just don't know - otherwise - 

uses.....



yarrow - claimed to have helped someone with anaphylatic shock after being 

stung by many bees.   will it?



osha - dramatically reduces swellings - both internally and externally.  will 

keep the mouth numb after seeing the dentist.  will it?  and the article 

claims it will stop allergenic responses when taken as a tincture.



slippery elm - used to heal wounds in a paste.  will it?



burdock root - "if you're feeling spaced out or freaked out, take a teaspoon 

of burdock tincture and you'll find ground - good for hysterical people."  I 

don't know about this one, seems kinda incredulous - I've used it for skin 

problems.



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> Sent to the herblist by herbmednurse@aol.com :



> yarrow - claimed to have helped someone with anaphylatic shock after being

> stung by many bees.   will it?



i know that from personal experience, after a bee sting, it will reduce

swelling.

 

> osha - dramatically reduces swellings



i have used osha for infection internally - really helps with swollen

glands. tastes terrible - almost astringent - but works well.

 

> slippery elm - used to heal wounds in a paste.  will it?



definitely! a pretty classic recipe includes slippery elm, goldenseal and

cayenne. i have used this many times for major cuts - knife or chainsaw to

fingertips, animal wounds etc.. with rapid and wonderful success. One friend

suggested taking before and after shots. When i put the paste on her pups

nose after being severely bitten, he healed in 2 days.

 

> burdock root - "if you're feeling spaced out or freaked out, take a teaspoon

> of burdock tincture and you'll find ground - good for hysterical people."  I

> don't know about this one, seems kinda incredulous - I've used it for skin

> problems.



This i'm not sure about. i use it internally for supporting the liver, and

therefore good for skin probs etc...

 



Anyway, here's my experience with these.



:)  bek





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> osha - dramatically reduces swellings



i have used osha for infection internally - really helps with swollen

glands. tastes terrible - almost astringent - but works well.

 

When I have chewed the fresh root , it did seem to have a numbing effect.

This is one of those plants that is getting scarce in its habitat.

Lovely plant, and I think it tastes good!



Michelle





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Phebe,



for what it is worth---



>Osha...swellings - both internally and externally.  will

>keep the mouth numb after seeing the dentist.  will it?  and the article

>claims it will stop allergenic responses when taken as a tincture.

>



Sounds right.  Used by Native Americans during painful ceremonys. as in

Sundancing, to help bear the pain..a pain killer.

>slippery elm - used to heal wounds in a paste.  will it?



>burdock root - "if you're feeling spaced out or freaked out, take a

teaspoon

>of burdock tincture and you'll find ground - good for hysterical people."

I

>don't know about this one, seems kinda incredulous - I've used it for skin

>problems.





burdock root is a favorite macrobiotic food veggie.  it is very YANg, and it

would correct an ecess of foods that are very YIN (fruits for example and

lots of vetetables) that have the effect of making one feel very spacy.



BILL





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I just read both these articles from Richter's Herbal Newsletter.  I use

Kava Kava  both as a tea and in tincture form for relaxation and sleep, but

I sure don't want liver damage!  Does anyone have anything more to confirm

or supplement  this report?  Here is the link http://www.richters.com





Germany May Ban Kava-Kava Herbal Supplement

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FRANKFURT, Germany, Nov. 19, Reuters Health -- Germany is considering a ban

on the sale of products containing more than tiny amounts of the herb

kava-kava after 24 cases of liver damage linked to the herb have been

reported in Germany.



Knut Janssen, a spokesman for the German Federal Institute for Drugs and

Medical Devices (BfArM) in Bonn, told Reuters Health on Monday that of the

24 cases, 1 person died and 3 had to have liver transplants. Diagnoses

included liver failure, hepatitis and cirrhosis.



Kava-kava, an extract from the root of the shrub Piper methysticum, can be

sold in Germany without a prescription. It has been used for over 3000 years

as a sedative, muscle relaxant and diuretic. It has become increasingly used

in recent years in Europe and the US. The shrub, a member of the pepper

family, is native to the South Pacific.



Janssen said that the BfArM had sent letters to producers and dealers

informing them of the potential action. They have until about December 10th

to respond.



However, he said evidence is strong that kava-kava can cause liver damage,

and chances are high that the BfArM will forbid its sale in Germany, except

in preparations with only minute amounts.

Merck Recalls Kava Products over Safety Concerns

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By Josephine Cumbo



LONDON, Nov. 28, Financial Times -- Merck, the German pharmaceuticals group,

has permanently removed from sale its products containing the herbal extract

kava after the organic preparation was linked to adverse side effects in

consumers.



Merck said it was "induced by the current discussion of risks" to withdraw

its two products containing kava, kavadura 120mg and Kytta-Kava, from its

sole German market from November 29.



Merck said there were no indications that its products had been causing the

side effects, but it had made voluntarily recall as a precaution.



It said that it had not been pressured by authorities to make the

withdrawal, but said the products would not be returning to market.



24 cases of suspected liver damage have already been reported to German

authorities by people who have used kava products.



Kava is obtained from the root of a shrub grown largely in Polynesia and was

traditionally used for ceremonial, social and medicinal purposes. However,

it has gained wider commercial popularity as a herbal alternative to

sedatives such as valium.



Merck said that annual sales of the two products amounted to less than E250m

($220.9m) and the withdrawal would not hurt the company.



"These kind of products based on plants, with no standardisation, are not

part of our core activity," said Hartmut Vennen, Merck spokesman."There is

no potential for us in the area."



Merck inherited the kava product line through its acquisition of Kytta, a

German company specialising in herbal products.Merck's shares rose 2.2 per

cent to close at E41.80 in the lower German market on Wednesday.



Dee

"The Gardenthyme Lady"





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I have pain in my neck, shoulder and arm (left side) and am unable to sleep

because of it.  The pain has been there for 8 months.  I have had xrays, a

MRI, treatments from allopathic, chirpractic, and several acupuncutre

treatments.  The acupunture has helped the most.   It was discovered along

the way that I have swollen lymph glands on the left side of my body which

appears to be contributing to the problem.  I am massaging them nightly.

Are there any recommmendations for either the pain or reducing the swollen

nodes?  Thank youfor any help!





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Hello everyone,



I was wondering if any of you have any advice for me. I'm going in the hospital next week for some diagnostic testing to determine whether or not I have interstitiall cystitis. The testing will involve anesthesia, cystoscopy, and biopsy.



I know there are certain recommendations in terms of food choices, herbs, and vitamins for people to consider pre-op, however I can't remember what they are. Can anyone help?



Thanks in advance,

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Dear Elaine,

         When it comes to the lymph system, I champion poke root as did the 

Botanic-Medical Eclectics of old. It is superb, but a little bit will do 

you, so don't overdose. Though the worse that can happen is usually an 

emetic action--so no biggie. The only problem is that because it has a name 

out there in the general public as a "poison", no commercial firm will 

handle it. So you are left to harvesting it yourself in the wild 

(unfortunately it is limited to the eastern half of the USA. The fresh root 

is always the best as the Eclectics are quick to point up and don't 

consider anything else. I have personally used it and have had absolutely 

no problems and only benefits. It is also superb when used as poultices.



good luck,



doug



At 09:11 AM 12/5/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by "emizzi" <emizzi@earthlink.net> :

>

>

>I have pain in my neck, shoulder and arm (left side) and am unable to sleep

>because of it.  The pain has been there for 8 months.  I have had xrays, a

>MRI, treatments from allopathic, chirpractic, and several acupuncutre

>treatments.  The acupunture has helped the most.   It was discovered along

>the way that I have swollen lymph glands on the left side of my body which

>appears to be contributing to the problem.  I am massaging them nightly.

>Are there any recommmendations for either the pain or reducing the swollen

>nodes?  Thank youfor any help!





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When it comes to the lymph system, I

> champion poke root as did the 

> Botanic-Medical Eclectics of old. It is superb, but

> a little bit will do 

> you, so don't overdose. Though the worse that can

> happen is usually an 

> emetic action--so no biggie. The only problem is

> that because it has a name 

> out there in the general public as a "poison", no

> commercial firm will 

> handle it.





Doug,



I live in SC.  We have a plant we call "poke salad". 

The stems are a deep purple color with green leaves

and if I remember correctly, it has some sort of berry

in a mature plant.  They can grow 4 or 5 feet tall. 

It is said that it is poisonous, but that you can eat

it if cooked properly.  Is that the herb you are

talking about?  If so, do know any other uses for it? 

We have quite a bit of it growing here in the spring

and summer.



Thanks!



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Dear Rena,

         That sounds exactly like Pokeweed (Phytolacca americana), it was 

commonly used in the spring for salads,,,the young shoots that is. Check 

Henriette's file resources for info on phytolacca, i.e. Kings Dispensatory, 

etc.

         Again, yes, the world out there thinks of it as a poisonous plant. 

Deaths have been linked to little kids eating the berries, though the 

berries have been used medicinally in arthritis.  It is famous for certain 

cancer tumor busting qualities. I could go on and on. I say to you, study 

it, know it, it is a very valuable plant resource. Again, the fresh root is 

considered most desirable by the Eclectics and I agree. The dried stuff is 

inferior.



doug





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>Sent to the herblist by "rena" <rena1695@yahoo.com> :

>

>Doug,

>

>I live in SC.  We have a plant we call "poke salad".

>The stems are a deep purple color with green leaves

>and if I remember correctly, it has some sort of berry

>in a mature plant.  They can grow 4 or 5 feet tall.

>It is said that it is poisonous, but that you can eat

>it if cooked properly.  Is that the herb you are

>talking about?  If so, do know any other uses for it?

>We have quite a bit of it growing here in the spring

>and summer.

>

>Thanks!





Rena









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I have used Phytolacca many times for swollen glands in homeoapthic

potency which is not a problem to buy . Have used in the 6th of the 30th

potency many times for sore throuts etc .works well.



Christine 



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Steve and Christine Wilson <scwilson@bigpond.net.au> wrote:



> I have used Phytolacca many times for swollen glands in homeoapthic

> potency which is not a problem to buy . Have used in the 6th of the 30th

> potency many times for sore throuts etc .works well.



This is a list for the medicinal use of herbs.



Somebody with no knowledge of homeopathy could take your sentence and just blank

out the bits that are gibberish to him/her; then it'd read something like 

"I've had no trouble with poke".



Homeopathy uses lots of things that are toxic in full doses. If you say things

like above please add a line or two that says "but this, of course, is not the

same as the full herb" or something.



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Ooops, I 'm sorry Henriette ,your absolutely right .



Using homeopathic dilutions of any herb is quite different although

often they may have the same indications . It is definately not the same

as taking the full tincture or extract of the herb.



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>Sent to the herblist by "emizzi" <emizzi@earthlink.net> :

>

>

>I have pain in my neck, shoulder and arm (left side) and am unable to sleep

>because of it.  The pain has been there for 8 months.  I have had xrays, a

>MRI, treatments from allopathic, chirpractic, and several acupuncutre

>treatments.  The acupunture has helped the most.   It was discovered along

>the way that I have swollen lymph glands on the left side of my body which

>appears to be contributing to the problem.  I am massaging them nightly.

>Are there any recommmendations for either the pain or reducing the swollen

>nodes?  Thank youfor any help!

>

what is your age and health history?

how are your teeth? any other possible sources of infection? what do 

you do for a living and what do you do with  the left side of your 

body on a daily basis?  lifting, work out , deliver papers or the 

mail?

my first reactions given very little  info would be get rid of 

caffeine and chocolate, increase your fluids, lymphatics on the upper 

body phytolacca , you can use the oil topically , drink verbena tea 

as well.

Sharon in tucson



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>Sent to the herblist by "emizzi" <emizzi@earthlink.net> :

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>

.  The acupunture has helped the most.   It was discovered along

>the way that I have swollen lymph glands on the left side of my body which

>appears to be contributing to the problem.  I am massaging them nightly.

>Are there any recommmendations for either the pain or reducing the swollen

>nodes?  Thank youfor any help!







try Schizandra Berry (Wu Wei Tzu) Schisandra chinesis..used primary to

balance and maintain the health of the lymphatic system.



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I tried to send the article from my files, but it wouldn't go through, so 

here's the link.  I hope that this helps.

Susanne



http://www.altnature.com/gallery/Pokeweed.htm



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Does anyone out there want to add more info and personal knowledge of using 

poke. We do not have it here in Montana. Veronica





At 04:46 AM 12/11/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by "Susanne Mills" <mewsmuse@aol.com> :

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>I tried to send the article from my files, but it wouldn't go through, so

>here's the link.  I hope that this helps.

>Susanne

>

>http://www.altnature.com/gallery/Pokeweed.htm







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on 12/14/01 1:52 PM, Veronica Honthaas at honthaas@bigsky.net wrote:



> Does anyone out there want to add more info and personal knowledge of using

> poke. We do not have it here in Montana. Veronica



I don't remember if i said anything before, but i've found poke to be

exceptional for swollen lymph glands. It seems to fight infection when

nothing else will work. A few years ago a woman came to me after trying

every route she could think of in the conventional medicine route. She had a

infection in her throat and glands that wouldn't quit. She had this

infection for months. Poke was the first thing that came to my mind for her.

We sat and talked for about an hour about her health and her life. I gave

her all of the warnings about the plant and had her read about it. I then

instructed her on how to make the infusion (we used the dried root) and

asked her to call me if she noticed any changes. She called me 2 days later

claiming that a miracle had happened. The infection drained quickly and made

her slightly nauseous initially, but she quickly felt much better than she

had in months. A year later i ran into her in a farm stand and she was still

singing the praises of "the miracle cure".



I was taught to be respectful of the plant but to also trust it, and i do.



I've also used it as a poultice to draw out skin infection. There again,

i've found it to work very quickly.



That's been my experience with it. It grows everywhere here in New England.



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>I don't remember if i said anything before, but i've found poke to be

>exceptional for swollen lymph glands.



some references talk about the importance of using the fresh herb. It seems 

you have found the dry root very effective.





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What's the medical/Latin name for 'poke' ?



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This is very interesting, I have poke growing wild in my herb bed, didn't

realize that was what it was until I followed the link and saw those

berries!  I knew the berries were poison, but didn't know it was a poke

plant and that it was a good medicinal if used carefully.  I plan to dig

some roots and make a tincture to have on hand.



What dosage did she take of the tincture?



Dee

"The Gardenthyme Lady"







I don't remember if i said anything before, but i've found poke to be

exceptional for swollen lymph glands.

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on 12/15/01 8:48 AM, Gardenthyme Lady at dblan@netusa1.net wrote:



> What dosage did she take of the tincture?



She didn't use the tincture. She made a strong infusion and took a shot

glass full, every 4 hours.



-bek





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I can pick a peck of poke in my backyard in Maryland.  I would be glad to 

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Hi all,



I have poke growing in my yard and have made tinctures as well.  I was

taught not to use more than three drops as it would make you sick if you

took more.  I forgot what I was taking once and used 10 drops for a sinus

infection.  I felt queasy but didn't get sick.  Everyone uses Echinacea and

goldenseal but I was advised by an herbalist to use a drop of poke in with

the echinacea.  Echinacea would nourish the immune system and the poke would

make it work harder.  Also the berries can be dried and eaten as a help with

rheumatism.  The book, Herbal Medicine past and present vol. II by John

Crellin and Jan Phipot has a lot to say about poke.  It does spread around a

lot so be prepared to pull it out if it finds it's way to your yard.  Robin





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>Sent to the herblist by "Veronica Honthaas" <honthaas@bigsky.net> :

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>Does anyone out there want to add more info and personal knowledge of using

>poke. We do not have it here in Montana. Veronica







Veronica,



Though poke is not native where you live, I am sure it would grow.  Once

established it is hard to eradicate.  All you need is a piece of fresh root

sent by one of us in the spring when we are pulling up some of the

volunteers in are flower gardens.  Also there are the seeds.  It is a little

late now to gather them, for we have had frost, but if in my daily walks I

run into any berries, I;ll dry them and mail them to you.  I'll get back to

you one this.  It is an attractive garden shrub that dies down to the ground

each fall.    I've always wanted to make wine of the berries, but don't know

if cooking drives off the poison...southern folklore uses poke berries but I

don't have any information and so have always avoided them.  They are

beautiful though and are my candidate for an illustration of "Death and

Transfiguration"



Bill



Bill





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Here's some more info on Pokeweed.  



http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/



Click Ethnobotanical Uses, then type in Phytolacca americana.  All kinds of 

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Have fun!!

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On Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 05:24:40PM -0500, Mewsmuse@aol.com wrote:



8< snip



> http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/

> 

> Click Ethnobotanical Uses, then type in Phytolacca americana.



The form on that page is technically broken, but may work just fine in 

Internet Exploder... for the rest of us, whose browsers behave in more 

specification-conformant ways, a URL that works is:



http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/ethnobot.pl?ethnobot.taxon=Phytolacca+americana



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Erica,

I had those procedures done, and was positive for IC.  I don't think I

didn anything before hand.  Maybe no aspirin? I would take all your

vitamins as usual tho.  You should get some info from your dr. as what

to do and not do.  Good luck, and I hope you don't have IC.  Let us

know. ;)



 



Merry Christmas!!!



Love,  

Rene and Jerry









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Dried elderberries I have bought recently have a white residue or coating

on them; some more, and some have less.  Is this yeast, and should the

berries be used or discarded?   I also  wondered if they should normally be

stored in a sealed jar or left open to the air, considering possible

tendency to mold or yeastiness.



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<I just read both these articles from Richter's Herbal Newsletter.  I use

Kava Kava both as a tea and in tincture form for relaxation and sleep, but

I sure don't want liver damage!  Does anyone have anything more to confirm

or supplement  this report?>



As long as your consumption is moderate and for a limited duration, you don't 

have to worry about this much. But this is from my readings, and I am not a 

herbalist.



<Diagnoses included liver failure, hepatitis and cirrhosis.>



This has been reported previously among resindents of South Pacific. I may dig 

out some lit. Since the information is given here is pretty limited, it's 

diffuclt to draw a conclusion. Yes, you should be careful, but there's no 

reason to be frantic. And some herbs should not be taken for a over of period 

anyway.



I do not hope to sound irresponsible. A food Scientist came to my class the 

other day, and he told us, "Just eat whatever it is. If you know the complete 

analysis of food out there, you don't want to eat anything." He also pointed 

out that about  1/3 of cancer is caused by oxidation, and another 1/3 by food 

/ diet. I don't necessary agree with him, but he has a point: you cannot worry 

about everything you consume. You need to know what you are taking, and need 

to have some control, but not everything. It's just not possible. You need to 

be smart.



<Kava-kava, an extract from the root of the shrub Piper methysticum, can be

sold in Germany without a prescription.>



This is new to me. I heard purchasing SJW products requires a prescription in 

Germany, but I could be very wrong.



<"These kind of products based on plants, with no standardisation>



I would argue this. I am not exavtly sure what "no standardisation" means 

here. It does sound to me they did not care much about the quality control!





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paf <paf@gbronline.com> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



> Sent to the herblist by paf@gbronline.com :

> 

> Dried elderberries I have bought recently have a white residue or coating

> on them; some more, and some have less.  Is this yeast, and should the

> berries be used or discarded?   I also  wondered if they should normally be

> stored in a sealed jar or left open to the air, considering possible

> tendency to mold or yeastiness.



Taste it. It's either sugar, a wax (naturally occurring on some berries; I don't

think elderberries usually have that, though), or mold.



My bets are on sugar.



Cheers

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>Sent to the herblist by paf@gbronline.com :

>

>Dried elderberries I have bought recently have a white residue or coating

>on them; some more, and some have less.  Is this yeast, and should the

>berries be used or discarded?   I also  wondered if they should normally be

>stored in a sealed jar or left open to the air, considering possible

>tendency to mold or yeastiness.

>

>Thanks for any info,

>Anita

>



the elderberries that I have collected over the years have almost 

always had a dull powdery coating on them and you can wash quite a 

bit of it off  the berries are shiny underneath, I was always told it 

is a type of wild yeast, just like the coating on grapes and berberis 

(oregon grapes) . this is why you take care while drying  very easy 

to get them to ferment. but once dried I have never had a problem 

with them spoiling, even with the dusty coating.

sharon in tucson



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>

> Kava-kava (Piper methysticum) contains the so-called kavapyrones as active

> substances; these have been pharmacologically investigated in detail and

are

> comparable with the benzodiazepine tranquilizers with regard to their mode

> and strength of action. This is very well studied now. Ansiolitic effects

of

> Kava are not to be dismissed. Agoraphobia, specific phobia, generalized

> anxiety disorder, and adjustment disorder with anxiety) have all respond

> very well to Kava administration in double bind studies performed lately.

> Adverse effects of Kava, are not as well known. We have two things to take

> into account here:

> 1) The range of time of the plant ingestion. It is suggested to don't go

> farther than three uninterrumpted months, and then perform a general blood

> profile (with some liver function test -TGP,TGO,etc.-though I dont find

> enough information in the available medical literatureabout Kava being

> damaging to the liver whatsoever) .

> 2) Find a good standardized form of administering the Kava. This may be

more

> difficult, but I think the extra effort is worthwhile. So one knows how

much

> is ingesting each time.

> One must add that there is a very well document adverse effect, in

some -not

> all- cases. A form of dermopathy completely reversible in sensitive

> subjects.

> We must not forget that the medical stablisment with the drugs company

> behind is doing a lot of effort to:

> 1) boicot every natural health product and,

> 2) if the fail, to take themselves the natural market ,which is what is

> slowly happening.

> The problem with this is that concrete, framgmentary approach of modern

> science likes to use which they think to be the more active substances in

a

> given natural compoun-plant. But we know that plnats act as synergistic

> compounds, and to take out of the formula an apparently inactive substance

> works against the wholistic effect of the planta-tota ingestion

> Hope this helps.

> Manuel Monasterio

> M.D.  PH.D.







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Manuel:

Well, it's a bit over my head, but I think I get the point. Thanks.   I use

a tincture I made from ground root purchased from Blessed Herbs, it really

helps a lot.  I also add some of the herb to my anti stress tea.  I thought

when they said that about a standardized type, that it could be  a pill form

they were talking about, and the "real" Kava Kava was okay. It's not an

everyday herb, just as needed.   I would think after 3,000 years of use, if

it was a bad herb, it would have been known before now.



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Yes, Dee, if one takes Kava on need-only-basis there is no known side

effect. I have seen lately a lot of FDA studies on the side effects (some of

them awful) of many herbs. I cannot take them as seriously as they pretend.

Not that herbs are all good, that is not the case, many herbs are quite

toxic. But just take a look at the side effects of most pharmaceutical drugs

and just tell me!

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Manuel Monasterio wrote:



> Agoraphobia, specific phobia, generalized

> > anxiety disorder, and adjustment disorder with anxiety) have all respond

> > very well to Kava administration in double bind studies performed lately.



Couldn't help responding to this (I worked for several years as a proofreader).

Were these double bind studies administered by schizophrenogenic mothers?  Just

teasing.



Seriously, does anyone have any thoughts on use of kava for people attempting to

recover from addiction to narcotics?



Thanks,

May

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May Terry <mterry@snet.net> wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



> Seriously, does anyone have any thoughts on use of kava for people attempting to

> recover from addiction to narcotics?



Yes. It helps. It helps more if you use quality kava tincture, ie. the kind

where you import fresh organically grown kava root from Hawaii and tincture it

fresh, in 95 % EtOH (at the usual 1:2). Dosage, 1-3 drops, as needed. (If you

have quality tincture a drop or two is enough. If you don't, you can do ounces

of it without any noticeable effect.)



It won't keep them from slipping back a few times, but it really does help.



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Here are some records on liver damage and kava.I found a little more, but 

decided not to post since they are long.



TI: Kava.

SO: Lancet-British-edition. 1988, ii: 8605, 258-259; 10 ref.

LA: English

AB: Problems caused by the unlimited intake of kava, prepared from an 

Australasian shrubby pepper (Piper methysticum), by Aboriginal communities in 

Arnhem Land, Northern Territory, Australia, are discussed. Kava is taken in 

Pacific island communities such as Tonga, Fiji and Vanuatu in small regulated 

quantities accompanied by feasting and produces no obvious adverse effects. 

Although there is a clear preference for kava over alcohol in some Aboriginal 

communities because it does not cause the same violent behaviour, it has been 

shown that Aboriginal users of kava are more likely to have general ill 

health, malnutrition with 20% loss of body weight and 50% loss of body fat, 

liver damage and changes in erythrocytes, leukocytes and platelets.



TI: Hepatitis associated with Kava, a herbal remedy for anxiety.

AU: Escher-M; Desmeules-J; Giostra-E; Mentha-G

SO: British-Medical-Journal-Clinical-Research-edition. 2001, 322: 7279, 139; 5 

ref.

LA: English

AB: The case of a 50-year-old man, who consulted a doctor because of a one 

month history of fatigue, jaundice and dark urine, was reported to the Swiss 

Pharmacovigilance Center in Berne, Switzerland [date not given]. The patient 

had been taking kava (the rhizome of the pepper plant Piper methysticum) 

extracts daily for 2 months for anxiety. Liver function tests revealed a 60- 

and 70-fold increase in aspartate aminotransferase and alanine 

aminotransferase levels, respectively. Alkaline phosphatase, 

gamma-glutamyltransferase, lactate dehydrogenase, total bilitrubin and 

conjugated bilirubin levels were 430IU/litre, 691 IU/litre, 1132 IU/litre, 

279.2 mol/litre, and 212.3 mol/litre, respectively. Prothrombin time was 

25%. The patient's condition deteriorated within 48 h. The patient received a 

liver transplant 2 days later, with note of improvement in his condition. On 

examination, the liver was atrophic, extensive hepatocellular necrosis.

PT: Journal-article

AN: 20013012278



TI: Necrotizing hepatitis after taking herbal medication (extracts of kava or 

of common or lesser celandine).

AU: Strahl-S {a}; Ehret-V {a}; Dahm-H-H; Maier-K-P {a}

SO: DMW-Deutsche-Medizinische-Wochenschrift. Nov., 1998; 123 (47): 1410-1414.

PY: 1998

LA: German; Non-English

AB: History and clinical findings: Two unrelated women, aged 39 and 42 years, 

had been admitted (at different times) to hospital because of "recurrence of 

an aetiologically uncertain acute hepatitis". Both patients had a history of 

acute hepatitis with GPT had experienced recurrences of hepatitis, each of 

them preceded by taking herbal remedies as alternative medication, containing 

kava or common (or lesser) celandine, respectively. In each patient physical 

examination had been unremarkable. Investigations: Maximal values of GPT in 

the two patients were 422 and 350 U/I, respectively. Viral, autoimmune and 

metabolic causes of the hepatitis were excluded. In each of them liver biopsy 

revealed the picture of acute necrotizing hepatitis. Diagnosis, treatment and 

course: As it was suspected that the hepatitis was medication-induced, the 

intake of the mentioned herbal preparations was stopped. The liver function 

tests quickly became normal. Conclusion: In view of the rapid response to 

their withdrawal, a causal connection between intake of the herbal 

preparations and the recurrences of acute hepatitis is the most likely 

explanation in both cases.





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I feel compell to write again in regard to Kava toxicity.

First, I must point out that I have never used this plant, so I  cannot talk

from personal experience. In anxiety disorders I do have a very long and

succesful experience with Passiflora, Melissa and Valerian, between others,

(of which the last indeed must be handled with care)

The first thing that must be clearly pointed out is that no sustance or

compound , natural or synthetic, capable of chemical and therapeutical

action could be innocuous or completely without side effects. Such a thing

does not exist, be it at "natural" nature or at man-manipulated nature.

Having stated this, it is not clear at all of what they are talking about

hen they cite this "hepatotoxicity", they are talking of necrotizing, which

means a severe destructive action over the hepatocyte -the cell of the

liver-. This is a very gross statement indeed which needs to be very clear

substantiated.



1) What compound do the ladies have been taking, precisely?

     Health store are selling everything and anything today. Was it kava

alone? in what quantities?

     What else where the ladies taking besides that? What source of Kava?

  2) About the aborigines cited:

      Why was precisley   kava blamed of their poor general health? In what

hygiene and general nutrional conditions are they living? Etc.Etc.



I will be fully convinced, from an epistemological scientific point of view,

when I see the classic mice experiments with  exhaustive tests on liver

transaminases and posmortem liver biopsies (sorry mice!)



Having said these, It is clear, anyway,  that any herb -and anything

else-must be taken with an Self-observation  touch, with intelligence. One

has to take into account personal idyosincracies, and many other things.

But, to be fair, on the light of the exposed material,Kava must be see with

a critical eye also before more exahustive tests are conducted. The

implications of supposed hepatotoxicity are too dangerous to be laid aside

without suspicion. We have many other herbs for anxiety till we figured out

that!



Manuel Monasterio

MD PHD





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Manuel,



I understand, but I simply supplied the info. available. In my orgiginal post, 

I excatly pointed out the points you made. I think whether you choose to use 

this herb or not is up to an individual, assuming there's no regulation.



<First, I must point out that I have never used this plant, so I  cannot talk

from personal experience.>



Since I study tissue culture of this plant, I have experimented. I have tried 

"drinks," "candies" and "pills." They did relax me, but nothing more. I 

learned taking kava before a big exam wasn't a good idea (I don't sleep well 

before a big exam).



<The first thing that must be clearly pointed out is that no sustance or

compound , natural or synthetic, capable of chemical and therapeutical

action could be innocuous or completely without side effects.>



That's what I pointed out. We consume oxygen, and there's no argument that it 

is absolutely necessary for our survival. But if you think about all the 

damage caused by oxygen in biological system, "the side effects" of 

consumption of oxygen molecules are quite evident.



<it is not clear at all of what they are talking about hen they cite this 

"hepatotoxicity", they are talking of necrotizing, which

means a severe destructive action over the hepatocyte>



I totally agree. They really did not "prove" anything. And there's a danger in 

reading abstracts as well. It was their "conclusion" based on available 

information. Getting back to one of my points (prolonged consumption of 

substance), we all know the liver damage caused by alchol consumption. If I 

use the same logic, it can be concluded that alchol also should be banned. 

It's a rather minor point, but it just came across.



<1) What compound do the ladies have been taking, precisely? Health store are 

selling everything and anything today. Was it kava alone? in what quantities? 

What else where the ladies taking besides that? What source of Kava?

2) About the aborigines cited: Why was precisley kava blamed of their poor 

general health? In what hygiene and general nutrional conditions are they 

living? Etc.Etc.>



I agree. I assume people on this list excersize this practice before believing 

everything. I do it anyway.



<Having said these, It is clear, anyway,  that any herb -and anything 

else-must be taken with an Self-observation  touch, with intelligence.>



I think I pointed this out.



<But, to be fair, on the light of the exposed material,Kava must be see with

a critical eye also before more exahustive tests are conducted. The 

implications of supposed hepatotoxicity are too dangerous to be laid aside

without suspicion.>



That's one reason I posted the abstracts. You have to (should?) know both 

sides before making your own decision. 





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Hideka 



Thank you for your posting. I agree with you on every presented point.



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> Does anyone know of a reputable source for wholesale essential oils? I am 

> from Chicago.



The Essential Oil Company, in Oregon.



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Hi all listees, I was wondering whether anyone has heard of the American

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> Hi all listees, I was wondering whether anyone has heard of the American

> Institute for Aromatherapy and Herbal Studies in New York?

> Thanx

> Marco





Marco



This is Mynou de Mey's school. I know she is knowledgeable in the way of

aromatherapy, but I do not know about herbs(she may very well be). She has

been on the NAHA board(national inst. of holistic aromatherapy).

http://www.aromatherapyinst.com/ is the url for the school.

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I have used fresh plantain on bee stings with success and was hoping to

find something else for stings that would be just as effective as

plantain.  Something that I could always have on hand and also to have in 

a first aid kit.  Would plantain tincture work as well as fresh plantain? 

It's not always easy to find the fresh plantain when I need it, so another

remedy would be appreciated....



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on 12/14/01 11:59 AM, Becky Mauldin at beckymauldin@hotmail.com wrote:



> I have used fresh plantain on bee stings with success and was hoping to

> find something else for stings that would be just as effective as

> plantain. 



It couldn't hurt to have the tincture on hand. (so to speak) The other thing

i usually keep with me is a small bottle of homeopathic 'apis' . That helps

me in times when i know i will start swelling and getting 'tingly' - almost

a pre-anaphylactic reaction.



hope this is helpful.



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RE: I have used fresh plantain on bee stings with success and was hoping to

> find something else for stings that would be just as effective as

> plantain.  Something that I could always have on hand and also to have in

> a first aid kit.  Would plantain tincture work as well as fresh plantain?

> It's not always easy to find the fresh plantain when I need it, so another

> remedy would be appreciated....



A tincture of Plantago is certainly effective. The stronger, the better. If

you make your own, you might want to try multiple macerations. I keep the

tincture on hand - at home and office - as well as infused oil of Plantago,

to help those with dry, itchy, winter skin.



rose





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>.  Would plantain tincture work as well as fresh plantain?

>It's not always easy to find the fresh plantain when I need it, so another

>remedy would be appreciated....

Yes, the tincture of plantain will work.  However, I hate to say this but 

Worcestershire Sauce works as good as fresh plantain! Veronica





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Dear Becky,

         I add datura leave tincture to my bee sting concoctions. It is an 

excellent topical pain killer.



doug



At 11:59 AM 12/14/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Sent to the herblist by "Becky Mauldin" <beckymauldin@hotmail.com> :

>

>I have used fresh plantain on bee stings with success and was hoping to

>find something else for stings that would be just as effective as

>plantain.  Something that I could always have on hand and also to have in

>a first aid kit.  Would plantain tincture work as well as fresh plantain?

>It's not always easy to find the fresh plantain when I need it, so another

>remedy would be appreciated....

>

>Becky





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Doug, have you ever tried it by drying the leaf and using as a poultice?

There is tons of Datura here.



Janine

www.HerbaTherapy.com





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Dear Janine,

         No, never used it as poultice, but I think I have read of it being 

used in such a way.  I see no reason why it would not work as a poultice.



doug



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>Sent to the herblist by "Janine P" <Janine@HerbaTherapy.com> :

>

>Doug, have you ever tried it by drying the leaf and using as a poultice?

>There is tons of Datura here.





Janine





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polo@ccp.com wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



> Dear Janine,

>          No, never used it as poultice, but I think I have read of it being 

> used in such a way.  I see no reason why it would not work as a poultice.



Be careful with external use, too, though. Datura is not a benign herb, no

matter how you look at it.



Henriette



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In a message dated 12/14/01 10:59:01 AM, beckymauldin@hotmail.com writes:



<< I have used fresh plantain on bee stings with success and was hoping to

find something else for stings that would be just as effective as

plantain.  Something that I could always have on hand and also to have in 

a first aid kit.  Would plantain tincture work as well as fresh plantain? 

It's not always easy to find the fresh plantain when I need it, so another

remedy would be appreciated....

 >>



i know this isn't exactly herbal, but  i keep an empty film canister of half 

meat tenderizer and half baking soda in the glove box of the car or in my 

purse in summer.  mixed with a bit of spittle ( sorry) or ice water (best) it 

works immediately.

honey is good too.....

so is the whole violet plant, crushed and applied directly.

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> i know this isn't exactly herbal, but  i keep an empty film canister of half 

> meat tenderizer and half baking soda in the glove box of the car or in my 

> purse in summer.  mixed with a bit of spittle ( sorry) or ice water (best) it 

> works immediately.



It works very well on jellyfish sting, too, in my unfortunate but 

educational experience.



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Dear Veronica,

         I am an avid fan of the poke, too. I have used it with great 

success and think that the warnings out there about it are ill founded. Of 

course, it is a powerful herb, but its deadliness is far exaggerated in my 

opinion. I prefer the freshly dug "green" root as my root of choice. I am 

like the Eclectics and believe the dried root to be inferior to the green 

and much harder to process, too. I have used it in inflammation and/or 

infection conditions with superb results.  I, also, pick the leave in 

summer and infuse it with 20% isopropyl alcohol as a topical 

wash--particularly in cases of hemorrhoids and skin conditions.  The 

berries I have never used.  I consider the poke weed as my most valuable 

herb on my Midwestern farm.  Should I ever have a need for an herb to fight 

cancer, this would be one of my first choices.



doug



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>Does anyone out there want to add more info and personal knowledge of 

>using poke. We do not have it here in Montana. Veronica

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On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:40:08 -0600 hkobayas <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu>

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         Dosages will usually be any where from one drop up to around 15. 

If a person is getting too much, the famous emetic qualities of poke 

(Phytolacca americana or Phytolacca decandra) will soon be observed. 

Personally, I usually give around 10 drops to the adult and this is from a 

very strong home made tincture.



doug





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>

>What dosage did she take of the tincture?

>

>Dee

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>.  Should I ever have a need for an herb to fight cancer, this would be 

>one of my first choices.





How cold do your winters get where you are.?  Even though I have been told 

it will not grow in MT, I still might give it a try. Veronica









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Dear Veronica,

         Yes, I would give it a try. It can get down to a -30F here in 

Missouri, USA--though that is somewhat rare. We always have subzero weather 

every year.  I understand it grows in New England which should be somewhat 

similar to Montana, I should think. Poke is known mostly as a southern plant.



doug



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>How cold do your winters get where you are.?  Even though I have been told 

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At 01:11 PM 12/15/01 -0600, you wrote:

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>Dear Veronica,

>         Yes, I would give it a try. It can get down to a -30F here in 

> Missouri, USA--though that is somewhat rare. We always have subzero 

> weather every year.



There is nothing to loose by giving it a try.  I have heard that it is also 

the dryer humidity and the alkaline soils that might be a challenge. Veronica









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Veronica Honthaas wrote:



> How cold do your winters get where you are.?  Even though I have been told

> it will not grow in MT, I still might give it a try. Veronica



I live in southeastern Connecticut.  Last summer I took a course up at Sage

Mountain, Rosemary Gladstar's place in Vermont.  I was very surprised to hear

that poke wouldn't grow there.  I suspect Montana is at least as cold.



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here in the New Jersey Mountains, zone 5 I think, it gets to -20.  The plant

dies down so it never freezes, and if your ground freezes much lower than

ours, then just a little mulch would protect it.



Bill

----->

>How cold do your winters get where you are.?  Even though I have been told

>it will not grow in MT, I still might give it a try. Veronica

>

>





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What I have noticed here in New England is that no one can grow poke when

they try to...it just comes up where it wants to.  The exacts why's and

wherefore's of that I am not exactly sure of.  But it, along with mullein

and a garter snake, were the first plants and noticeable living things to

jump into and thrive in the mass of  rocks and ashes and burnt wood and

charred and wet rotting books and stuff that once was my dome in the woods.

The mullein root dug deep in and pulled up minerals and just grew huge in

the ash fed rock foundation that had not seen the sun since the dome had

been built, the poke nearby thrived as well where the rock foundation merged

into the banking there just where I had been tossing the burnt books as I

pawed through the mess.



I suspect that  the seed of the mullein may have been in there, dormant for

a

while before the fire...as mullein had been growing in a bare spot nearby,

but the poke, I am not so sure about...there had been some about a hundred

feet away years ago growing in the remains of a burnt brushpile in the most

jungled part of my garden...but this was years ago.   Whether this post

house fire plant was from a dormant seed or root, or from the gut of a

passing bird, or even the snake, I really do not know.   But the location

was not atypical.  Richly mineralized and limed with ash, but not

necessarily rich and fertile,

disturbed area.  My poke always followed a fire of some sort.  I suspect

birds of bringing them in, too.  I see them growing by the roadside nearby,

too, in wetter areas, but usually in amongst junk...poison ivy, old tires,

scarp iron, building materials...that is were I find this plant most

frequently.  Perhaps it would grow if tossed into such an area.  Maybe it

needs to go through some other processes.  I do not know.  I just remember

it as a very great plant to come in so quick to my burnsite to take

advantage and begin the process of reclamation on its own.  The plant does

not always stick around for many years, though.  Whether the -30 degree

winters get it or just the soil gets too tame for its liking...I do not

know.

Joanie

~~

>here in the New Jersey Mountains, zone 5 I think, it gets to -20.  The

plant

>dies down so it never freezes, and if your ground freezes much lower than

>ours, then just a little mulch would protect it.











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This may be out of line, but here poke grows so prolifically that if you

were to try and plant it in an area that it usually is not found, unless you

are able to contain it, wouldn't you worry about it possibly becoming

invasive? Who's place in your ecosystem might it usurp? I live on an island

off of the coast of New England and i think of these things because of all

of the introduced species that end up wreaking havok on waterways etc. If

you'd like the fresh root, i'd be happy to send some. :)



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Would you provide more details on your instuctions as to how the

infusion was to be used ..poltice or to be taken internally or both?  --Elliot



>  I don't remember if i said anything before, but i've found poke to be

>  exceptional for swollen lymph glands. It seems to fight infection when

>  nothing else will work. A few years ago a woman came to me after trying

>  every route she could think of in the conventional medicine route. She had 

a

>  infection in her throat and glands that wouldn't quit. She had this

>  infection for months. Poke was the first thing that came to my mind for 

her.

>  We sat and talked for about an hour about her health and her life. I gave

>  her all of the warnings about the plant and had her read about it. I then

>  instructed her on how to make the infusion (we used the dried root) and

>  asked her to call me if she noticed any changes. She called me 2 days later

>  claiming that a miracle had happened. The infection drained quickly and 

made

>  her slightly nauseous initially, but she quickly felt much better than she

>  had in months. A year later i ran into her in a farm stand and she was 

still

>  singing the praises of "the miracle cure".



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Elliot,

         Though you are not asking and referring to anything I posted, may 

I say, that poke root is not generally given as an infusion tea. Most all 

of the therapeutic recommendations of the past seem to be using it as an 

alcoholic tincture with the exception of the root being used as a poultice, 

particularly in cases of breast cancer or mammary inflammation.  An 

infusion seems to me, to be not a good way to administer such a potent herb 

when only small quantities of drops of tincture are recommended.

         May I refer you to Henriette's site of King's which should tell 

you all you need to 

know:  http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/phytolacca.html











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>Would you provide more details on your instuctions as to how the

>infusion was to be used ..poltice or to be taken internally or both?  --Elliot





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on 12/17/01 11:28 AM, Elfreem@aol.com at Elfreem@aol.com wrote:



> Sent to the herblist by Elfreem@aol.com :

> 

> Would you provide more details on your instuctions as to how the

> infusion was to be used ..poltice or to be taken internally or both?  --Elliot

> 



Taken internally. I had her infuse the herb, 1/4 cup dried (because that was

available and it was February in New England) to a quart mason jar - pour

boiling water into the jar and let steep about 2 hours. She then took a shot

glass full, about 1/4 cup (?) every 4 hours for 2 days. Not terribly

scientific, but very effective. She didn't want a tincture because of the

alcohol content. I make my own fresh root tincture. I don't know if you can

buy it commercially. For myself, I would probably use the tincture.



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is anyone familiar with Gregory L. Tilford's book:  From Earth to Herbalist?  

It has great close up's of herbs, along with some of the smells and tastes of 

some herbs.  Most of it tells you to make an instant tincture in the field 

with fresh parts of plants and fresh roots.  That sounds great, however, it 

contradicts everything else that everyone else says:  fresh plant material 

requires 100 percent alcohol.  He advocates a minimum of 40%, but puts down 

ratios with 40-60% alcohol.  For example, for hawthorn - to make a tincture 

out of flowering twigs, cut as fine as possible and place in a 1:2 ratio in 

60% alcohol.  For fresh, crushed berries:  1:2 ratio in 60% alcohol.  Dried 

berries 1:4 ratio in 60% alcohol.

comments from those more learned??

thanks, phebe



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From my understanding, the flesh of the RIPE poke berry does not contain

toxins. It is the seed. In the south there is a tradition of eating

pokeberry pie, using the pulp of the berries, but not the seeds. The juice

is also made into jellies. The trick is to NOT CRUSH the seeds. People have

been known to swallow a few seeds, with the result being a slight

hallucinatory effect, this from some information I learned from Susun Weed.

The tender YOUNG shoots are a spring delicacy in the south, where they are

boiled twice, changing the water between. These shoots can then be served

as is or sliced up, breaded, and fried According to tradition, the poke is

too mature for consumption when any red comes to the stem or leaves. I am

not advocating any of this, just passing on information.

-Ellie in Florida, where poke grows high as an elephant's eye and is a

pesky perennial.







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>

>There is nothing to loose by giving it a try.  I have heard that it 

>is also the dryer humidity and the alkaline soils that might be a 

>challenge. Veronica



Veronica, I have seen in growing in Kennewick Washington which would 

go probably be more your soil type. where in montana are you?sharon 

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> From my understanding, the flesh of the RIPE poke berry does not contain

  toxins. It is the seed. In the south there is a tradition of eating

  pokeberry pie, using the pulp of the berries, but not the seeds. The juice

  is also made into jellies. The trick is to NOT CRUSH the seeds. People have

  been known to swallow a few seeds, with the result being a slight

  hallucinatory effect, this from some information I learned from Susun Weed.

  The tender YOUNG shoots are a spring delicacy in the south, where they are

  boiled twice, changing the water between. These shoots can then be served

  as is or sliced up, breaded, and fried According to tradition, the poke is

  too mature for consumption when any red comes to the stem or leaves. I am

  not advocating any of this, just passing on information.

  -Ellie in Florida, where poke grows high as an elephant's eye and is a

  pesky perennial.



Ellie,



Does poke stay green all year in Florida?  What part of Florida, how far south?



I think red in poke stems is related to sunlight, not simply overmaturity.

Young poke shoots may show red if they are exposed to sunlight.  I thought the

appearance of flowers or flower buds indicated the stage of being too mature for

consumption.



Is it easy to separate out the seeds when cooking the berries?



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Isn't this supposed to be good for colds & coughs?  Is it best used as a

tincture or decoction?

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>Sent to the herblist by "GardenThyme~Lady" <dblan@netusa1.net> :



>Isn't this supposed to be good for colds & coughs?  Is it best used as a

>tincture or decoction?

>Dee Blann



I have experience with pleurisy root, but only as a decoction, never as a

tincture; liked elecampane root better (Inula helenium).  I never noticed any

effect from pleurisy root, but other people might get better results.



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I sent this out over a week ago, and didn't hear anything back yet...would 

really appreciate comments from those who know more!  Henriette...??





is anyone familiar with Gregory L. Tilford's book:  From Earth to Herbalist?  

It has great close up's of herbs, along with some of the smells and tastes of 

some herbs.  Most of it tells you to make an instant tincture in the field 

with fresh parts of plants and fresh roots.  That sounds great, however, it 

contradicts everything else that everyone else says:  fresh plant material 

requires 100 percent alcohol.  He advocates a minimum of 40%, but puts down 

ratios with 40-60% alcohol.  For example, for hawthorn - to make a tincture 

out of flowering twigs, cut as fine as possible and place in a 1:2 ratio in 

60% alcohol.  For fresh, crushed berries:  1:2 ratio in 60% alcohol.  Dried 

berries 1:4 ratio in 60% alcohol.

comments from those more learned??

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Herbmednurse@aol.com wrote to herb@franklin.oit.unc.edu:



> is anyone familiar with Gregory L. Tilford's book:  From Earth to Herbalist?  

> It has great close up's of herbs, along with some of the smells and tastes of 

> some herbs.  Most of it tells you to make an instant tincture in the field 

> with fresh parts of plants and fresh roots.  That sounds great, however, it 

> contradicts everything else that everyone else says:  fresh plant material 

> requires 100 percent alcohol.  He advocates a minimum of 40%, but puts down 

> ratios with 40-60% alcohol.  For example, for hawthorn - to make a tincture 

> out of flowering twigs, cut as fine as possible and place in a 1:2 ratio in 

> 60% alcohol.  For fresh, crushed berries:  1:2 ratio in 60% alcohol.  Dried 

> berries 1:4 ratio in 60% alcohol.



It's like this: 

- American tincturemakers generally use a ratio of 1:2 for fresh herbs, at 95 %

EtOH.

- they generally use 50-60 % for dried herb, at a ratio of 1:5.



- British tincturemakers generally use dried herbs, straight from the

international trade (with all _that_ implies as regards correct herb, quality of

herb, herb age...); they then proceed to tincture that at anything from 1:3 to

1:10 and at anything from 20 to 35 %; the excuse I keep hearing is that stronger

alcohol is prohibited in the UK - not valid, I _know_ that herbalists with an

alcohol license can get and use 95 % EtOH.

- I met a couple BritMed herbalists, and they tinctured fresh herb at something

like 1:3 40 % or so.



What you need to know is that 



    strength affects dosage.



If you use general American tincture strengths you should ALSO use general

American tincture dosages (a drop or five three times a day). If you use general

British tincture strenghts you should ALSO use general British tincture dosages

(a teaspoon or two three times a day). And frankly, if you _can_ get 95 %,

anything less is a waste of good herb, if you tincture fresh.



If the Tilfords, who do know herbs, have tinctured fresh herb at 1:2 and 60 %,

why, _their_ dosages are FAR higher than dosages of other 'mercan

tincturemakers. So use their dosages if you make it their way.



One reason they've put that into their book might be that they can't get 95 %

EtOH in their state.





Anyway, my take on that would be: if it's not legally available within the

state, perhaps it's legally available outside of the state? Perhaps you can get

it from a friendly researcher, MD, or veterinary doctor? Perhaps there's still a

tradition of making quality moonshine in your neck of the woods? And if you have

any length of shoreline at all there's no problem whatsoever to get strong

alcohol. If you're a lady and don't know how to get a pint just ask the local

gents.





Cheers

Henriette



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Henriette,

  I live near a small town but the liquor store will and does stock a

75% just for the herbalists and perfumers in the area.

  75% is the strongest allowed here.  However, asking a favor is a good

idea as the same manager visits family in a state that has 95% alcohol

legal.

Roxanne



Roxanne J. Brown

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In a message dated 12/26/01 3:01:49 PM, hetta@saunalahti.fi writes:



<< What you need to know is that 



    strength affects dosage.

 >>



Henriette,

that's the - best - post on tincturing yet!  A heap 'o thanks.....

what you said, above, pretty  much says it all....

appreciatively,

phebe



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hello,



does anyone know the best place to purchase herbs (and such...) ONline?



it is primarily for my 2 year old twin boys - who have asthma/respitory

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Caroline,

  I like www.frontiercoop.com and friends of mine like www.sfherb.com

  I have been meaning to order elderberries from sfherb because the

price is so good.

Roxanne



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Frontier herbs is good, so is pacific botanicals.  They are a bit slower and 

less expensive and they are a small company instead of a coop or big business.



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>Sent to the herblist by "Catherine M. Wood" <HerbalSW@aol.com> :

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>Frontier herbs is good, so is pacific botanicals.  They are a bit slower

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>Catherine





I've always had good service and quality from Herbal Advantage at

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Good point, Henriette

Strength effects dosage

Absolutely logical and correct and it certainly is THE thing to look at

when one sees different dosages for certain tinctures in books that

might seem a bit off to us.

In the US, every State is different about selling 100 proof alcohol, the

brand name for it is Everclear. I live in Michigan and we can not

legally buy it here. But my son get's it for me when he travels south to

Indiana or Missouri and it's my standard birthday or Christmas present

from him.

He just has too much fun going into the liquor store and telling them

that he has to pick up the hard stuff for his Mom...he gets pitiful

looks and there must be a few States that believe I am somewhat of a

lush...

But the present is much appreciated..:)

Wishing you all a healthy and prosperous New Year, may the plants grow

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I grow all I can, but if I have to buy, I like to buy from blessed herbs,

they have good herbs at a reasonable price as well as fast delivery.

www.blessedherbs.com



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hello,



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Speaking of which, does anyone know if any of those companies mentioned sell those *sock* thingermajigs for making brews (infusions)? 



Thanks!

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Frontier sells the sockie dealies for brewing tea.

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I am looking for a reputable, quality source for wholesale coffee mugs.  I am 

making gift baskets which include my dreams pillows and my famous herbal 

teas.  The next holiday for which I will need mugs is Valentine's days so 

something on the romantic side, if you know what I mean, is what I need.  Any 

thoughts?  If possible I would like them made in America.

Thanks in advance for your help and sorry for any inconvenience this may 

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Catherine



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Dear Catherine



...del...

> Sent to the herblist by "Catherine M. Wood" <HerbalSW@aol.com> :

>

> I am looking for a reputable, quality source for wholesale coffee mugs.  I

am

> making gift baskets which include my dreams pillows and my famous herbal

> teas.  The next holiday for which I will need mugs is Valentine's days so

> something on the romantic side, if you know what I mean, is what I need.

Any

> thoughts?  If possible I would like them made in America.



I did a search on Google, and got 98,800 hits. You should find at least one

reputable supplier there!! :-)



You may b lucky enough to find one with a suitable Stock Item that you could

get prior to Valentines Day. Otherwise, you will have to come up with your

own design, and that will take longer to get produced.



I think you have a neat idea. You could obviously expand it to other

Occasions.



AS an alternative, you might locally to a Craft Association.... they may be

able to suggest a small potter in your area who would just love to undertake

this work for you.



Kindest regards, and Best Wishes with your venture.



Kevin Chisholm





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At 06:21 PM 12/29/01 -0500, you wrote:

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>I am looking for a reputable, quality source for wholesale coffee mugs.





I suggest you check out your local potters. You are more likely to get a 

quality product, you can have some imput into the design if you order early 

enough and you will be supporting your local artist and economy.Remember 

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I agree wholeheartedly about supporting local artisans.  However, I live in 

an area where artistic items tend to be much moire expensive (the North Shore 

of Chicago) and so it's frustrating for me...

Thanks for the input anyway

Catherine



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Catherine,

  If you go a bit further north of you, there are tons of potters in mid

Wisconsin that do functional ware.

  One of my friends here (Mn) does large orders of mugs with a decal on

them that is specialized to the customer.

  You could call a clay company for references.

Roxanne



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On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:38:16 EST HerbalSW@aol.com writes:

> Sent to the herblist by "Catherine M. Wood" <HerbalSW@aol.com> :

> 

> I agree wholeheartedly about supporting local artisans.  However, I 

> live in 

> an area where artistic items tend to be much moire expensive (the 

> North Shore 

> of Chicago) and so it's frustrating for me...

> Thanks for the input anyway

> Catherine



Some large supermarkets have a section with glassware, etc., and a

tempered glass coffee mug with a folded paper insert that you printed up

with interesting info and/or clip art, and a plastic bag with herbs

(single or mixed into a special tea) in with it might be pleasant, along

with maybe a stainless tea ball for infusion.   ( I am beginning to want

to send you an order).

Happy New Year!  Good luck and Good health to you and yours,

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> I am looking for a reputable, quality source for wholesale coffee mugs.  



Thomas Register.  It may be online, but it'll be in any decent library in the 

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> Thomas Register.  It may be online, but it'll be in any decent library 

> in the reference section. List of manufacturers.



http://www.thomasregister.com



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In rerspnse to your inquiry to find a supplier of custom printed coffee mugs, 

I would suggest that you look for a company in your area that is an 

advertising promotional company.  I have had experience with a local company. 

 They were able to supply me with an article custom printed to my 

specifications and at what I considered a reasonable price.



The initial order necessitated the design of a screen or printing plate which 

was used fur subsequent orders.  So the initial order cost was higher because 

of the initial art work but by ordering double the quantity that I needed I 

reduced the individual item cost.  You could probable order enough cups for 

use in subsequent years if you wanted to spread the initial art work cost 

out.  



All subsequent orders were there for at a lower price becuase the supplying 

compant kept the art work on file for future orders.



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I know this doesn't support the local economy as much as some other

suggestions, but hey, we're all global now right????

I have found many, many unique and inexpensive mugs right down at the local

dollar store.

For a buck.  And you don't have all the same mug  that way, I've found

variety very necessary.

Makes for a bit more profit, since I've found people tend to  buy for the

herbal teas , so when I am able to sell the mug & tea combinations, I

benefit from MY hard work and herbal expertise, and not just the cost of the

mug.



Dee

"The Gardenthyme Lady"

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In rerspnse to your inquiry to find a supplier of custom printed coffee

mugs,

I would suggest that you look for a company in your area that is an

advertising promotional company.  I have had experience with a local

company.

 They were able to supply me with an article custom printed to my

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>Sent to the herblist by "Catherine M. Wood" <HerbalSW@aol.com> :

>

>I agree wholeheartedly about supporting local artisans.  However, I live in

>an area where artistic items tend to be much moire expensive (the North

Shore

>of Chicago) and so it's frustrating for me...

>Thanks for the input anyway

>Catherine

>

Don't look for potters next-door.

Potters typically live out in the country where land, clay, barns, are

cheap, along roads on the way to tourist locations.  I suggest you get in

touch with your local arts council for a list of local potters in Illinois,

or surrounding states, and go visit some.  I agree fully with the previous

persons suggestion.  you need to make personal conduct with the potter and

hopefully this will lead to further joint ventures for both of you.



Bill





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