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Does anyone have experience in the relative merits of Brahmi [Bacopa] versus

Gotu Kola in treating mental complaints such as memory loss or emotional

complaints such as depression, anxiety etc?



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I'm a little late in reading this list, but have a few comments re puncture 

wounds.



Though the myrhh, in the formula mentioned in one post, is surely strongly 

antimicrobial, the echinaceae, according to the eclectics is also primo 

medicine against deep infection. Right now I'm using a mild leaf tea against 

avian flu for my pet chickens, seems to be helping!



As far as comfrey causing tissue to heal over an infected puncture wound, I 

think it depends some on how applied.

Certainly a chew-and-spit comfrey poultice creates a dense, black scab over 

the wound, which could seal in infection. For cleaned surface lacerations, 

it's excellent, though ugly, for sealing OUTinvading bacteria, and speeding 

tissue regeneration (yes, personal experience on kitchen knife wounds to the 

fingers).

For puncture  or surgical wounding, I'd be inclined to take it internally, 

tea or tincture,  (liver toxicity notwithstanding) for a week or two, to 

rebuild tissue from the inside out.

Ann G.

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Henriette,



<Don't take E. Ernst seriously. While he styles himself "professor of 

complementary healthcare" (or something such) his opinions are party-line

allopathic.>



I didn't know that. I still think it was a nice summary, though.



My question is on allopathy (or allopathic for the matter). Is it "a referent 

to harsh medical practices of" an  "era which included bleeding, purging, 

vomiting and the administration of highly toxic drugs." ?



I was looking at an online reference, and the same article I quoted above 

(http://www.ncahf.org/articles/a-b/allopathy.html) also mentions this: The 

terms "allopath" and "allopathy" are often used in reference to Medical 

Doctors and standard medicine by medical writers. Such use generally reflects 

an alternate definition of allopathy: "a system of medical practice making use 

of all measures proved of value (emphasis added) in treatment of disease."



Which one were you referring to? I noticed the bitter/harsh tone of the 

article, and I don't believe everything on the net. I am just curious.



Hideka



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hkobayas <hkobayas@students.uiuc.edu> wrote to herb@lists.ibiblio.org:



> My question is on allopathy (or allopathic for the matter).



<rant>



Allopathy, to me, is MDs practising in a purely MD fashion - eradicating

symptoms rather than doing something about causes. They do it because 



1) they're bound by tight schedules; it's about fifteen minutes a patient,

   including paperwork, for your general MD, at least over here

2) they're not taught anything at all about nutrition

3) they have no idea what to do about early troubles, warning signs of oncoming

   worse troubles - they've thrown out their mildest drugs decades ago, because

   pharmaceutical companies always push their strongest and latest ones

4) if they were to embrace more wholistic views they run the risk of getting

   kicked out of their profession



but they still do it.



The latest example of this mindset could be found in the Finnish newspapers this

week: "Finnish Pharmaceutical company to start manufacturing pills to enhance

women's libido". 

Right. Pop a pill, forget about getting enough sleep, less stress, better food

etc. etc. etc., eh? Symptoms. And that headline is a symptom of exactly what is

wrong with school medicine as it currently stands.



</rant>



Henriette



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    If I may add a bit more on the definition of allopathy.  It is always

best to delve into historical beginnings to see where we all came from and

how words/labels of that time were handed down to modern usage. In the 19th

century, we have the beginnings of several schools of medical thought which

were the seeds of what we have today. Of course, back then most of the

materia medica were botanical in nature but, nevertheless, the seeds of

emphasis were being sowed on various philosophies.  Basically, you have the

homeopaths, the Thomsonians, the eclectics, and the allopaths.

    What you have in the early part of the 19th century was the mainstream

medical professionals becoming amoured with what was termed "heroic"

medicine: bloodletting, purging, blistering, and very harsh mineral drugs,

drugs like mercury, etc.  In many cases, the treatments that this mainstream

profession followed seemed worse than the disease itself--presuming the

patient survived. In counter-response to these harsh Allopathic medical

practices: a kinder, gentler practice of medicine sprouted which become

known as Eclectic Medicine.  Samuel Thomson was a predecessor to the

Eclectics and influenced them to some extent. Thomson was what was known as

a white Indian doctor. He was not formally trained, but utilized the herbal

traditions of the native Americans in treating the white population. From

this Thomsonian reliance on American plants, plus the opposition to "modern"

heroic measures--the Eclectics sprouted and thrived.



    Dr. Wooster Beach (1794-1868) is considered the father of the Eclectic

movement. He was opposed to the bloodletting/mineral drug advocating

physician regulars of that time and soon fell under the influence of an old

German Herb Doctor in New Jersey. He studied under him for six years. He

then decided to become "legal",  to avoid the hassles with the regular

(allopaths) doctors, by going to regular Medical  school in New York. From

him the Eclectic school of Medicine developed. He felt Thomson was arrogant

in that he refused to continually improve on his theories. Beech felt

science could augment and improve the "roots and herbs" of Thomsonian

medicine and bring creditability to the

practice of the  "white Indian doctors".  He soon raised the wrath of the

regulars and, accordingly, founded a new college of Eclectics. He later

transferred the Medical College to Cincinnati, Ohio. The Eclectics developed

a Materia Medica based on indigenous plants. They published journals full of

monographs on herbs and how their practitioners used them. In the early

history of the Eclectic movement, practitioners would dig up their own roots

and herbs to make remedies. Individual medicine making soon gave way to the

chemical houses preparing various eclectic herbal formulas for ease of

prescribing. In comes, John King (1813-1993), a young eclectic physician

that accidentally found that plant tinctures could be concentrated into

strong medicines by removing the inert properties of a plant. This brought

about a brief rage in the Eclectic movement of potent plant extracts, of

which King felt was going too far beyond his initial concentrating efforts;

and he did not approve.  He found it very disturbing. By the way, this is

the King of the "King's Dispensatory".  Next into this picture is Dr. John

Scudder, who like King, disliked the concentrated herbal extracts of that

time period. Scudder went back to preparing his own herbal tinctures and

medications feeling that the Chemical Houses of that day were producing

poisons.  Scudder is a very interesting man. I have a book of his, called

"Specific Medications".  King and Scudder completely overhauled the Eclectic

Materia Medica.  They removed all of the old compounds and proposed the

study of individual herbs and the effect of a single plant on the

body--revolutionary thinking for that time.  This requires very careful

diagnosis and a strong knowledge of how individual plants react with the

body.  The violent

cathartics, emetics and blisters were removed.  What resulted was "A mild

and kindly practice: specific medication with small doses of single drugs;

ultra careful diagnosis."  In 1870, Scudder and King approached a young

chemist called John Uri Lloyd to help formulate a new type of plant

medicines.  What they wanted was the best plant medicines possible. This

would involve careful study of a specific plant and the extraction of the

useful parts--".tailored chemically to produce an elegant balance of the

active principles and the most important constituents, although this

tailoring was to be minimal."  They did not want to follow the allopathic

method of extracting a single potent principle, but wanted to extract the

entire useful chemistry of a plant.



    There was constant "warfare" during the late 19th/20th centuries between

the Eclectics and the Allopaths--much professional jealousy. To sum up the

Eclectic philosophy as stated in an 1890 editorial by Scudder:  "The

rejection of all remedies and means which endanger life, which impair life,

or which leave an impaired health; and the selection of such remedies and

means as conserve life, shorten the duration of disease, and give a sound

recovery. We believe in small doses of pleasant medicines, for their direct

action--a medication which relieves suffering, shortens the duration of

disease, and saves life. "

    The allopaths and the eclectics each in their own way tended to affect

each other's practice as they matured. You will find the allopaths adapting

certain eclectic medication specifics and the Eclectics employing allopathic

non-botanic remedies. As with all systems, young minds tend to pick and

choose and blur the precepts of the elders.  Today, the allopathic

profession has long since given up what was considered "heroic", 100+ years

ago. No more blood letting, purging, blistering, yet the name allopath,

continue to exist. I think other criteria has replaced the heroic therapies

of old, i.e. the reliance on very pure, potent chemical drugs, reliance on

mechanical instruments and procedures, the mercury/arsenic of old is

replaced by the chemotherapy in current use, on and on. You get the idea.

The name remains, what is considered "heroic" has changed.



doug











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>     If I may add a bit more on the definition of allopathy.  It is always

> best to delve into historical beginnings to see where we all came from and

> how words/labels of that time were handed down to modern usage. 



Not quite all that simple.



Here's some perspective on the eclectics:

http://www.eclecticherb.com/periscop.htm



The full text of Scudder's Specific Medication, first edition, 1871 (it's really

not a very good book in that first edition; I guess I should try to find one

from the 1890s, which should be an enormous improvement):

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/spec-med/main.html



Eclectic alkaloids by John Uri Lloyd (details the history of King's resinoids,

among others):

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/ephemera/lloyd-alkaloids.html (as .html)

http://www.swsbm.com/ManualsOther/Eclectic_Alkaloids-Lloyd.pdf (as .pdf)



On this page http://www.swsbm.com/ManualsOther/ManOther.html are also found, all

by John Uri Lloyd:

  Plant Pharmacy

  The Life and Times of Samuel Thomson

  Quantity vs. quality

  Elixirs and flavoring extracts



A few issues of Ellingwood's Therapeutics (an important Eclectic Journal),

including one issue wholly devoted to Lobelia (and therefore, Thomson):

http://www.swsbm.com/Journals/Ellingwood.html



As you are interested in history, those would make a good beginning.



These and other texts are found on or linked from my classic texts page, here:

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/main.html - including all plant-related

entries in King's dispensatory, 1898.



Cheers

Henriette



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Dear Henriette,

    History and life is never very simple, I simplified to reduce space. You

can see that my "simplified" account post was very long at that. I simply

wanted to give an idea where the word "allopathy" came from and the general

heritage of that label. I also took it for granted that I was writing to USA

people, because it was USA history, I was discussing. I am sure each country

has its own history of how the "regulars" came to prominence.



doug





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> "d.a." <polo@ccp.com> wrote to <herb@lists.ibiblio.org>:

>

> >     If I may add a bit more on the definition of allopathy.  It is

always

> > best to delve into historical beginnings to see where we all came from

and

> > how words/labels of that time were handed down to modern usage.

>

> Not quite all that simple.







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> Allopathy, to me, is MDs practising in a purely MD fashion - eradicating

> symptoms rather than doing something about causes. They do it because 



> 1) they're bound by tight schedules; it's about fifteen minutes a patient,

>    including paperwork, for your general MD, at least over here

> 2) they're not taught anything at all about nutrition

> 3) they have no idea what to do about early troubles, warning signs of oncoming

>    worse troubles - they've thrown out their mildest drugs decades ago, because

>    pharmaceutical companies always push their strongest and latest ones

> 4) if they were to embrace more wholistic views they run the risk of getting

>    kicked out of their profession



> but they still do it.



> The latest example of this mindset could be found in the Finnish newspapers this

> week: "Finnish Pharmaceutical company to start manufacturing pills to enhance

> women's libido". 

> Right. Pop a pill, forget about getting enough sleep, less stress, better food

> etc. etc. etc., eh? Symptoms. And that headline is a symptom of exactly what is

> wrong with school medicine as it currently stands.



It's not simply what's wrong with allopathy in the narrow sense of the

definition, but what goes with it: assembly-line medicine.  All those animal

experiments and double-blind placebo-controlled clinical trials lead to a

mindset of matching symptoms and illnesses with pharmaceuticals.



I haven't had any luck with conventional doctors in about 20 years.  It is

especially annoying when they ignore patient input in favor of more X-rays and

other lab tests (meaning more money).  I get the impression that in a case of

apparent-to-obvious asthma, they will go through a bundle of tests, including

biopsies, to rule out everything else first (big money).  I am still in a

twilight zone of not "officially" having asthma. 



Regarding the Finnish newspaper headlines, I get spams promoting Viagra,

weight-loss drugs and other prescription drugs, always in HTML and often

quoted-printable.  I don't browse these spams because that would indicate to

the spammers that their messages are getting response, thereby encouraging

more spam, so I never read these messages in detail. 

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> Allopathy, to me, is MDs practising in a purely MD fashion - 

> eradicating  symptoms rather than doing something about causes. They do

it 

> because 

> 

> 1) they're bound by tight schedules; it's about fifteen minutes a 

> patient,  including paperwork, for your general MD, at least over here

> 2) they're not taught anything at all about nutrition

> 3) they have no idea what to do about early troubles, warning signs 

> of oncoming worse troubles - they've thrown out their mildest drugs

decades 

> ago, because pharmaceutical companies always push their strongest and

latest 

> ones

> 4) if they were to embrace more wholistic views they run the risk of 

> getting kicked out of their profession

> 

> but they still do it.

>



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Henriette,



Thank you for your clarification. I was wondering if there are some people who

are still "bleeding, purging, vomiting and the administration of highly toxic

drugs" for patients, hence my confusion.



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My understanding of allopathy is the use of substances or drugs that produce

effects in opposition to the symptoms the patient is suffering.  This is in

contrast to homeopathy, which uses minute quantities of substances which, in

larger amount, would produce in a healthy person symptoms similar to what the

patient is suffering, the "law of similars", "like cures like".  The word

"allopathy" is often used loosely as a synonym for conventional western

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Hi all !



I have a question in regards to Eshscholzia

californica

(Californa poppy). Has anyone had a client come up

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I've heard conflicting opinions on weather this herb

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Hi all !



I have a question in regards to Eshscholzia

californica

(Californa poppy). Has anyone had a client come up

positive on a random drug test while using this herb?

I've heard conflicting opinions on weather this herb

will cause a positive test result.



Thanks for any info,

Keith Hubbard C.H.





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<FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>Susan Marynowski wrote:



>Will Verbascum virgatum work like V.



>thapsus? Does anyone know the original range of this plant? 



It is found at least in SW-England (Devon, Cornwall) and W-

France, where it is more or less rare. Trough internet I found it 

also on plant lists from some US-states, Canary Islands, 

Australia  and New-Zealand. 





>I  keep hearing that it is native here in Florida/Southeastern 

>US, but I mostly only see it along roadsides, so am skeptical.<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>



<FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>I might be wrong, but I have the idea that all mulleins 

(Verbascums) come either from Mediterranean or Middle-East 

and that way are either from Europe, Asia or northern Africa. 

Like Balkan and Greece area have 70 different Verbascums, 

altogether about 400 Verbascum species around Mediterranean.





<FontFamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>></color><FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>and with a flower stalk and seeds very similar to V. thapsus. 



But the flowers are larger (almost 2 inches in diameter), are they 

not?





Then I have a question for all of you who own mullein 

(Verbascun thapsus) plants: I noticed weevils/snout beetles 

(Curculionidae), with mosaic like silver grey colouring, eating 

(holes into) my few mullein plants. Do you know are the plants in 

real danger to be totally eaten and should I destroy the weevils 

or will the plants survey?



I have not before seen any insects eating mulleins. It has been 2 

months almost without rain, which might make all plants 

vulnerable for insects.





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<<<My understanding of allopathy is the use of substances or drugs that 

produceeffects in opposition to the symptoms the patient is suffering.  This 

is in contrast to homeopathy, which uses minute quantities of substances 

which, in larger amount, would produce in a healthy person symptoms 

similar to what the patient is suffering, the "law of similars", "like cures 

like".  The word "allopathy" is often used loosely as a synonym for 

conventional western medicine.>>>



Allopathy was a therapeutic system in which disease is treated by 

producing a "morbid" reaction of another kind or in another part. For 

example, use of silver nitrate for gonorrhea in order to cause nonspecific

inflammation would be allopathic. This system was employed during the 

eclectic era, but the term is erroneously used for conventional medicine 

today as opposed to homeopathic or other alternative modalities.



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This was not a bad (albeit very brief) account of the eclectic movement;

however, I'm not sure anything was to be further understood as to the

definition of allopathy ..which was your intent as stated. 



Elilot



If I may add a bit more on the definition of allopathy.  It is always

best to delve into historical beginnings to see where we all came from and

how words/labels of that time were handed down to modern usage. In the 19th

century, we have the beginnings of several schools of medical thought which

were the seeds of what we have today. Of course, back then most of the

materia medica were botanical in nature but, nevertheless, the seeds of

emphasis were being sowed on various philosophies.  Basically, you have the

homeopaths, the Thomsonians, the eclectics, and the allopaths.

<snip>





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Dear Elilot,

    Well, I did not mean to really enlighten you are Henriette or many

others on this list to the Eclectic Movement. Far be it from be to teach the

teachers! I admire and consider Henriette (along with M. Moore), "my heroes"

for doing so much work to transcribe the Eclectic texts on her and his

sites. I was mainly trying to help Hideka, in his original post to

understand where allopathy came from and how "allopathy" has taken on new

meanings in today's world. This new meaning is individualistic, as can be

seen by the many replies in response to Hideka's post and probably can not

really be defined in any sense of the word.

    Personally, I need to know where a label came from to really understand

how it may pertain to today's world. No one  even slightly mentioned the

historic perspective in their response to Hideka. Accordingly, I thought I

would bring that flavor into the discussion. My reply was never intended to

be a concise treatise on the Eclectic movement. I was only trying to give

someone who was not even sure of what "allopathy" might mean a base

understanding from where it came--nothing more.



innocently,



doug





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> This was not a bad (albeit very brief) account of the eclectic movement;

> however, I'm not sure anything was to be further understood as to the

> definition of allopathy ..which was your intent as stated.

>

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I will be traveling to New Mexico in July for a week.  Does anyone have

any suggestions I can do now as a preventive for altitude sickness? 

Where I'm going is higher than Denver, CO where I went several years ago.

 After experiencing altitude sickness there, I would like to do

everything I can before hand to try and prevent it.  Any suggestions for

now before I go or while I'm there? 



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I will be traveling to New Mexico in July for a week.  Does anyone have

any suggestions I can do now as a preventive for altitude sickness? 

Where I'm going is higher than Denver, CO where I went several years ago.

 After experiencing altitude sickness there, I would like to do

everything I can before hand to try and prevent it.  Any suggestions for

now before I go or while I'm there? 



Mountain climbers and hikers recommend two things that may help.  

Acclimate for a day at a lesser altitude.  When you get to your chosen 

altitude, just lay around for the first 24 hours.  If you must sightsee or visit 

with people, don't do a lot of walking.  Sleep is your friend.



As far as herbs, I don't know of any, other than the leaves of the plant 

cocaine comes from, which wouldn't please the DEA.

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According to Chinese medicine Fenugreek is helpful in altitude sickness. As

herbs go this is one that doesn't taste to bad or have frightening side

effects.

Bob

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On 4 Jun 2002 at 10:38, lmersdorf@juno.com wrote:





I will be traveling to New Mexico in July for a week.  Does anyone have

any suggestions I can do now as a preventive for altitude sickness?

Where I'm going is higher than Denver, CO where I went several years ago.

 After experiencing altitude sickness there, I would like to do

everything I can before hand to try and prevent it.  Any suggestions for

now before I go or while I'm there?



Mountain climbers and hikers recommend two things that may help.

Acclimate for a day at a lesser altitude.  When you get to your chosen

altitude, just lay around for the first 24 hours.  If you must sightsee or

visit

with people, don't do a lot of walking.  Sleep is your friend.



As far as herbs, I don't know of any, other than the leaves of the plant

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I'm interested in this, we are going to the Grand Canyon  and it's a very

high altitude.  I've never heard of altitude sickness and would be

interested in knowing what it is, what  to expect, and what herbs to help

it.  Also, are herbs allowed on check in baggage with the airlines in the

USA?  I want to bring some sweet grass and sage, along with some of my

herbal blends, but I certainly don't want to be detained for it in any way.

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On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 05:59:47PM -0500, GardenThyme Lady wrote:

> I'm interested in this, we are going to the Grand Canyon  and it's a very

> high altitude.  I've never heard of altitude sickness and would be

> interested in knowing what it is, what  to expect, and what herbs to help

> it.



"Altitude sickness" (or mountain sickness) symptoms include headache, 

nausea, visual effects (blurred vision and/or hallucinations in the 

peripheral field), and general weakness. Victims frequently complain of

unquenchable thirst, and may cough up blood. In extreme cases, pulmonary

and/or cerebral edema occur, both of which are life-threatening. The best,

fastest, safest remedy is to remove the victim to lower elevation, and 

then (if edema is suspected or known to exist) get them into medical care

where they may be placed in a hyperbaric chamber if warranted, and 

"advanced medications" may be administered.



Headache is the most common early sign, but in and of itself is no 

cause for alarm. Just treat it like a headache, and if the usually 

effective pain medication works, it's a mild case and nothing more than 

a sign that you've gone high enough for today. The rule is "Don't go up 

until the symptoms go down." Visual effects are also relatively normal in

the unacclimated at elevations above 10000' (3000m) anyway, and are not 

in and of themselves cause for alarm -- most folks see shadowy figures 

darting from just inside to just outside of their peripheral vision. The 

hard part about detecting mild mountain sickness (in others) is that most

people accept the symptoms as normal, so you don't know anything's wrong

until it advances. 



The moderate stage is unpleasant enough that most rational people don't 

remain silent about it. They may appear to be intoxicated, are 

obviously weakened, usually vomit, and the headache is not alleviated 

by their normal pain medication. The victim at this stage will fail a 

common "field sobriety test", cannot walk a straight line, etc. At this 

stage, the victim must be evacuated to a lower elevation -- not only 

will acclimation not occur, the condition may advance to life 

threatening rapidly.



During acclimation, we don't sleep well, which is convenient because 

mountain sickness tends to worsen, if it's going to, at night. That's 

one reason for the advice "climb high, sleep low". While we're waking 

frequently anyway, we can listen to our companion's breathing for signs 

of rattling or wheezing.



Those who've experienced it are more likely to experience it on 

subsequent visits to high altitude, and to experience it at lower 

elevations. Mountain sickness is rare at elevations below about 6000'

(1800m or so), increases in frequency as elevation increases, and is 

fairly common above 10000' (3000m).



There are two books I highly recommend, and have just noticed that 

they're absent from their usual spots on my shelf... now I wonder to 

whom I last loaned them. Anyway, they are both by Dr. Charles S. 

Houston: _Going Higher, The Story of Man and Altitude_, and _High 

Altitude, The History and Prevention of a Killer_.



The North Rim of the Grand Canyon is at about 8000' (2450m) if memory 

serves -- fortunately, on the flight over, you'll be at the equivalent 

of about 6000' in the airliner cabin, so your acclimation can begin 

then. If you're in good health and fitness, you should notice nothing 

more than general weakness and some minor difficulty during exertion. 

You'll want to keep in mind that the air is very dry there, and there's 

a lot less of it between you and the sun; you'll suffer sunburn and 

dehydration much more quickly than you're accustomed to.



Oh, yeah: If you want to research the subject, you might look for 

"Acute Mountain Sickness" or "AMS", High Altitude Pulmonary Edema, and 

High Altitude Cerebral Edema.



Enjoy your trip to the Grand Canyon! Everybody should see it at least 

once in a lifetime.



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Is Ledum - Wild Rosemary or Marsh tea any relation to Rosemary Off. in my

garden that I use to flavour lamb with!!!



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> Is Ledum - Wild Rosemary or Marsh tea any relation to Rosemary Off. in my

> garden that I use to flavour lamb with!!!



> Regards, Rochelle



I'm surprised to see no response to this in my last mail download, though there

could have been a subsequent response.  Rosemary is Rosmarinus officinalis,

family Lamiaceae, no relation to Ledum.  It seems difficult or impossible to

find herb dealers that carry Ledum, though rosemary is easy to find.



What does rosemary do for lamb?  Does it enhance digestibility?

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Dear all,

from the first of July I will be in Chicago for a week, on my way to

Nicaragua, and I need to buy some tinctures; anyone can suggest a good

retailer, shop, herbalist with a good range and of good quality?  

Perhaps

selling medium quantity?

Thanks



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I am in Chicago and make a lot of my own tinctures.  What do you need?

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>Dear all,

>from the first of July I will be in Chicago for a week, on my way to

>Nicaragua, and I need to buy some tinctures; anyone can suggest a good

>retailer, shop, herbalist with a good range and of good quality? 

>Perhaps

>selling medium quantity?

>Thanks

>

>marco

>--

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>Medical Herbalist

>Vicolo Santa Cecilia 7

>37121 Verona

>Ital





what are you going to need?

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Sharon Hodges-Rust wrote:



> what are you going to need?



Echinacea, Baptisia, Thuja, Arnica, Capsicum, Artemisia abs or vulg, 

Berberis

v, in different quantities.



Marco





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Hi to you all --



If I am growing some echinacea for eventual root harvesting, but not this year, I can pick

the flowers for vases, right?



Also, can anybody give me a good reference for the differences between first-thing-in-spring

and after-frost root harvesting?



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Hi Susie





1.Echinacea



I've been trying to grow echinacea for the past four years and so far the

plants have disappeared on me so that I haven't been able to harvest any

roots yet. I'm hopefull that next year I shall have some three year old

roots that I may be able to use. What I have been doing is harvesting the

flowers, leaves and stems when they are at their most beautiful and

tincturing them to provide a tonic to use with my family for winter colds

etc. Henrietta has said with all plants that although the roots are the

strongest part, there is still moderate value in the aerial parts.



Someone told me recently that one of the herb text books (can't remember

whether it was Susun Weed or Rosemary Gladstar or someone else) said that

the only way to take echinacea was as a tea since alcohol destroyed the

active ingredients. I'd not heard this about echinacea before. Any views

anyone?



2. Spring or autumn root harvesting



The plant which show possibly the most difference between the two seasons is

dandelions. In spring the roots are small, thin and incredibly bitter

because the plant has been surviving on them throughout the winter.

Lifestock won't touch them at this time. In autumn, the roots are plump, fat

and taste sweet (chewing them raw is not unpleasant) because they have built

up a store of carbohydrates over the summer. Sometimes the plant will

determine when you harvest. I have just prepared an angelica root for drying

because the plant was obviously on its last legs. The root was incredibly

fragrant, so much so that chewing it was like having a mouthful of scent!



Hope that helps



Sarah





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"Sarah Head" <sarah@headology.co.uk> wrote to <herb@lists.ibiblio.org>:



> Someone told me recently that one of the herb text books (can't remember

> whether it was Susun Weed or Rosemary Gladstar or someone else) said that

> the only way to take echinacea was as a tea since alcohol destroyed the

> active ingredients. I'd not heard this about echinacea before. Any views

> anyone?



That's the polysaccharide myth. 



There's no evidence that the polysaccharides (which are destroyed in high-%

alcohol), if taken orally, do anything at all to the immune system. Injected

preparations, sure. Do you use those? No.



So do your usual alcohol tinctures; they've been reliable, in practice, for over

a century.



Cheers

Henriette



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>But the flowers are larger (almost 2 inches in diameter), are they 

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No, the flowers of V. virgatum are small, just like the flowers of V.

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I've never seen the weevils you mention on my plants. Verbascum seems to be

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I have a friend who just had his gal bladder out.  he developed severe

jaundice and very high levels of bilureubin (sp?), level of 9+. this was

about 4-5 days go, now down to about 5 or so.



the surgery is healing up ok, but he has severe itching and asked me if

there was any herbal remedies for dealing with this type of proble. his

doctor said there was nothing he could give to help with the itching.



thank you for your help.



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Bob and Rusty Taylor wrote:



> I have a friend who just had his gal bladder out.  he developed severe

> jaundice and very high levels of bilureubin (sp?), level of 9+. this was

> about 4-5 days go, now down to about 5 or so.

>

> the surgery is healing up ok, but he has severe itching and asked me if

> there was any herbal remedies for dealing with this type of proble. his

> doctor said there was nothing he could give to help with the itching.



"Internal" itching is indeed associated with liver malfunction.  If I were

him I'd drink lots of water and be patient; it will probably go away.



Henriette, should he (drum roll) help his liver?



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May Terry <mterry@snet.net> wrote to herb@lists.ibiblio.org:



> "Internal" itching is indeed associated with liver malfunction.  If I were

> him I'd drink lots of water and be patient; it will probably go away.

> 

> Henriette, should he (drum roll) help his liver?



Yup.



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Hello all,



my question is not herbal related, but nevertheless...



Since I do have a pretty good sense of wholesale herb

suppliers, wildcrafters etc. to work with for both my

practice and personal use if I can't supply all my own

medicine in times, I haven't yet figured out where to

order Vitamin supplements.

Do any of you know of good (!!) quality vitamin

suppliers where one can order without a

wholesale/retail license?  

I am not getting fancy, just looking for some cheaper

sources for quality glucosamine, vitamin c, vitamin e,

chondroitin, vitamin b, etc. than storebougt.



Let me know if you want to share your experience and

resources, and if it's not appropriate to do so on

this list, please e-mail me privately!



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  I just ad my cat spay and the vet was shocked to see her belly fat a

bright yellow.  She, the vet argees, that we should put the cat on milk

thistle and nettle.

  I have fresh nettle that I can juice and I don't think there would be

a problem mixing the ground milk thistle with wet food.

  Can anyone help me calculate dosages?

And should I be giving her dandelion as well?

  Any thoughts or comments are appreciated.

Roxanne



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Hi Roxanne,



Milk thistle would be a consideration if there is a liver problem...at least

peoplewise.  FWIW, belly fat is frequently yellow or brown so if there's no

indication of liver trouble, then I'm not sure what would be gained.  if the

animal's diet is high in corn or if it eats lots of greens (and some felines

do) then that also can cause some yellowing.  Are her eyes yellowed (the

whites I mean?).  Was/Is  her appetite decreased or missing?  Are/were her

stools yellow?This is animal based so should be better adressed either

through personal e-mail or through Herb 2...to which I must re-subscribe as

my settings are one computer and two servers down the road. What does she

eat?

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AA



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  I just ad my cat spay and the vet was shocked to see her belly fat a

bright yellow.  She, the vet argees, that we should put the cat on milk

thistle and nettle.





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I recently heard this:

The Nord-american white deer don't eat 'teasel' (Dipsacus fullonum) when

their antlers grow.  The reason for this seems to be that those deer live in

a kind of symbiosis with the Borellia burgdorferi that causes Lyme's

disease.  This bacteria has a stimulating effect on the growth of the

antlers, but by eating teasels, the deer lose this advantage, because

teasels seem to destroy the Borellia burgdorferi.

Recently, American herbalist are using Dipsacus fullonum in the treatment of

Lyme's disease.



I whould like to read the original research, but can't find it.  Does

someone know the original source?



Groeten,

Anne



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Matthew Wood refers to Dipsacus as an herb useful for treating Lyme Disease in

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AnneTanne wrote:



> I recently heard this:

> The Nord-american white deer don't eat 'teasel' (Dipsacus fullonum) when

> their antlers grow.  The reason for this seems to be that those deer live in

> a kind of symbiosis with the Borellia burgdorferi that causes Lyme's

> disease.  This bacteria has a stimulating effect on the growth of the

> antlers, but by eating teasels, the deer lose this advantage, because

> teasels seem to destroy the Borellia burgdorferi.

> Recently, American herbalist are using Dipsacus fullonum in the treatment of

> Lyme's disease.

>

> I whould like to read the original research, but can't find it.  Does

> someone know the original source?

>

> Groeten,

> Anne

>

> (Snuffel eens in mijn kruidenmand op http://users.pandora.be/annetanne !)

>

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<<<

"Internal" itching is indeed associated with liver malfunction.  If I were

him I'd drink lots of water and be patient; it will probably go away.

>>>





Speaking of itching, I developed an awful itch after picking up some firewood

and tucking it under my arm ...I was scratching for days. Then I applied

Pau d'arco tincture and the itching went away within minutes, but the

itching came back in a few hours. Frequent applications resolved the

itching for good. The wood came from an old tree that appeared to have

a fungus and I figured Pau d'arco might be helpful. Has anyone ever heard 

of Pau d'arco for itching in general?



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Henriette, a few months ago, you mentioned a scale that costs around $20.

For the life of me, I can't find the information in the archives.  I believe

you said it measured both grams and ounces and told us where it was sold.



Would you please reiterate???



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<<Someone told me recently that one of the herb text books (can't remember 

whether it was Susun Weed or Rosemary Gladstar or someone else) said that the 

only way to take echinacea was as a tea since alcohol destroyed the active 

ingredients. I'd not heard this about echinacea before. Any views anyone?>>



<That's the polysaccharide myth.



here's no evidence that the polysaccharides (which are destroyed in high-%

alcohol), if taken orally, do anything at all to the immune system. Injected

preparations, sure. Do you use those? No.>



Nobody knows for "sure" if polysaccarides in Echinacea are "the" 

immunostimulatory compounds. Yes, Echinacea tea should contain 

polysaccharides, but how about polyacetylenes? Probably not. I don't think 

caffeic acid derivatives are that water soluble, either. 



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Can someone please give me some MM on Rhodiola Rosea which is in none of my

herbal books.



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Rochelle,

  If you do a search with Google or another search engine and put

"botanical rhodiola rosea" in the search you will find several sites

with information.

  There is also some information on Henriette's web site.

  From what I have found there have been quite a few Finnish studies on

this herb.

  (By the way, would the person living n Alaska that responded to my

query about this in an earlier post please contact me privately?)

Roxanne



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Coming up positive on an opiate sensitive drug test seems very possible 

with the plant.  It definitely contains opoide constituents, as to 

whether it contains codine/morphine/etc. in small amounts - Got me.  I 

usually steer folks elsewhere botanically if drug tests are even a 

remote possibility.



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>Hi all !

>

>I have a question in regards to Eshscholzia

>californica

>(Californa poppy). Has anyone had a client come up

>positive on a random drug test while using this herb?

>I've heard conflicting opinions on weather this herb

>will cause a positive test result.

>

>Thanks for any info,

>Keith Hubbard C.H.

>





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I didn't know the result was published in JAMA last April. Their conclusion 

was: SJW ineffective for "Major Depressive Disorder" (yawn). But the real 

funny thing is, they also found Zoloft was as effective as placebo. I also 

read the Editorial by David J. Kupfer, MD and Ellen Frank, Ph.D. They 

emphasized the importance of using a placebo in clinical experiments. I mean, 

who wouldn't know? And some rearschers do have stocks of major pharmaceutical 

companies (Pfizer, Eli Lilly, etc). That's interesting.



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    Does anyone know of some topical herbal preparation I could easily

purchase to apply on a round, thick, scab approximately two inches in size.

    I tried calendula in olive oil on the surrounding skin but it didn't

"feel" good and my skin did not like it.

TIA

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How about a comfrey salve?



-----Original Message-----

    Does anyone know of some topical herbal preparation I could easily

purchase to apply on a round, thick, scab approximately two inches in size.

    I tried calendula in olive oil on the surrounding skin but it didn't

"feel" good and my skin did not like it.





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Denise O'Connor wrote:



>     Does anyone know of some topical herbal preparation I could easily

> purchase to apply on a round, thick, scab approximately two inches in size.

>     I tried calendula in olive oil on the surrounding skin but it didn't

> "feel" good and my skin did not like it.



It depends, I suppose, on what you want the preparation to do...heal an

infection?  Reduce scarring?  Eliminate pain?  I really like plantain oil (or

salve) for skin stuff.  If I am dealing with, or worried about, infection, I

add some tea tree oil.  Lavender EO is nice for your skin and makes it smell

good.  I'm not a practitioner, though, so take this with a grain of salt

(though you probably don't want to put that in your wound).



May

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What is the scab protecting?  How long has it been there?  How deep is the

underlying wound?  If it needs to be there then it will stay tight to the

underlying wound untile some tissue has been regrown beneath it.  If it is

loosening, a massage of sesame oil a couple of times a day may encourage it

to loosen by supporting growth of underlying tissue.



AA

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    Does anyone know of some topical herbal preparation I could easily

purchase to apply on a round, thick, scab approximately two inches in size.

    I tried calendula in olive oil on the surrounding skin but it didn't

"feel" good and my skin did not like it.

TIA

Denise







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> What is the scab protecting?

        An opening in the skin

 How long has it been there?

        Several months but the thick scab a few weeks

 How deep is the

> underlying wound?

        I don't know

 If it needs to be there then it will stay tight to the

> underlying wound untile some tissue has been regrown beneath it.  If it is

> loosening, a massage of sesame oil a couple of times a day may encourage

it

> to loosen by supporting growth of underlying tissue.

>

> AA

Denise



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Denise, it sounds like you're looking for an already-prepared cream or

ointment-type thing. I can reccomend Herb Pharm's Herbal Ed's Salve. It

does have calendula, but it also has comfrey, plantain, chickweed

mullein and St. John's wort. It's working well on a still-healing knife

wound I had in my arm.



Good luck--



Julia



On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Denise O'Connor wrote:



>     Does anyone know of some topical herbal preparation I could easily

> purchase to apply on a round, thick, scab approximately two inches in size.

>     I tried calendula in olive oil on the surrounding skin but it didn't

> "feel" good and my skin did not like it.

> TIA

> Denise

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    Exactly.  Thank you, Julia.

Denise







> Denise, it sounds like you're looking for an already-prepared cream or

> ointment-type thing. I can reccomend Herb Pharm's Herbal Ed's Salve. It

> does have calendula, but it also has comfrey, plantain, chickweed

> mullein and St. John's wort. It's working well on a still-healing knife

> wound I had in my arm.

> 

> Good luck--

> 

> Julia





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Much of the research of Echinacea spp. polysaccharide fraction was done with

the purpose to produce pharmaceutical products. The experiments and their

conclusions are flawed in that the product was injected instead of

ingested.Some polysaccharides are digested and some protein bound

polysaccharides make it through the digestive track but not into the blood

where the measurement is taken. The immune response is probably due to

activation of Peyers Patches in the intestines. These fractions are not

alcohol soluble or only in small percentage of alcohol<30%. On the other

hand the isobutylamide fraction is strongly alcohol soluble and produces

significant immune response. If the product is made correctly both fractions

are present i.e. a full spectrum of the plant and the effects of the whole

plant is local antisepsis and systemic or humoural immunity.





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I seem to recall a post requesting information on the possibility of

Eschscholzia californica (California Poppy) to cause a false positive on 

a urine test.



A friend looked this up for me in a pharmacognosy text (Pharmacognosy: 

Phytochemistry of Medicinal Plants by Jean Bruneton) which indicates

that although there is no morphine/codeine in the plant there are 

alkaloids common to the opium poppy which do not have narcotic

activity but have similar structures ...therefore Escscholtzia could 

lead to a false positive. My thanks to Burt Norgorden (Albuquerque, NM).



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Hello



I would be interested to know if the purple flowered variety of Toadflax,

Linaria purpurea,  works in the same way as Linaria vulgaris. It has a similar

habit to the wild yellow flowered variety but with slightly smaller flowers and

is a

common garden plant in these parts of Southern England.



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"Matt Brewster" <matt.brewster@ukgateway.net> wrote to <herb@lists.ibiblio.org>:



> I would be interested to know if the purple flowered variety of Toadflax,

> Linaria purpurea,  works in the same way as Linaria vulgaris. It has a similar

> habit to the wild yellow flowered variety but with slightly smaller flowers and

> is a common garden plant in these parts of Southern England.



Sorry, can't help with Linaria purpurea, but tell me how you use Linaria

vulgaris? As a liver herb? Specifics, doses, etc?



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Found this while searching for something else.  Posting to full list as I thought it might give all a direction for research.  Do you suppose there are any implications for humans??  What about flax seed oil since it becomes rancid so easily?  In my experience, it is so hard to separate nutrition from herbs as they are often co-dependent. 

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EXPANDED ABSTRACT Over the last 50 y there have been numerous reports       of vitamin E deficiency in cats with the main cause of these deficiencies being attributed to ingestion of diets high in polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs(4) ). Steatitis ("yellow fat disease") is attributed to vitamin E deficiency and has been experimentally induced in kittens after feeding a commercial cat food with a high fish content (1 ) and after feeding vitamin E-deficient purified diet containing tuna oil and stripped safflower seed oil (2,3). Fish oil is a rich source of PUFAs, which are highly susceptible to oxidation, and an increased intake of fish oil has been associated with increased vitamin E requirements. Currently the minimum dietary vitamin E requirement of cats has been set at 30 IU/kg dry matter with dietary levels expected to increase 3-4 times with a diet high in PUFAs (4 ). 



To prevent vitamin E deficiency in cats fed commercially sold diets, the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) recommends that fish oil-containing diets for cats should be supplemented with 10 IU of vitamin E for every g of fish oil per kg diet (5 ). However, there is no direct evidence to substantiate the latter value or the increases recommended (4,5 ) in adult cats. The main objective of this study was to determine the vitamin E requirements of adult cats fed high dietary levels of PUFAs from fish oil.



AD  - Institute of Food, Nutrition and Human Heath, Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand. Menu Foods Limited, Streetsville, Ontario, Canada. Cargill, Minneapolis, MN and. Roche Vitamins Inc., Parsippany, NJ.





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since flax seed oil was never eaten traditionally, why use it?

get the omega-3s [EPA and DHA] from fish liver oils, where they are

protected from oxidation by vitamin A.



andrew



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> Found this while searching for something else.  Posting to full list as I

thought it might give all a direction for research.  Do you suppose there

are any implications for humans??  What about flax seed oil since it becomes

rancid so easily?  In my experience, it is so hard to separate nutrition

from herbs as they are often co-dependent.

> KB

> -------

>

> EXPANDED ABSTRACT Over the last 50 y there have been numerous reports

of vitamin E deficiency in cats with the main cause of these deficiencies

being attributed to ingestion of diets high in polyunsaturated fatty acids

(PUFAs(4) ). Steatitis ("yellow fat disease") is attributed to vitamin E

deficiency and has been experimentally induced in kittens after feeding a

commercial cat food with a high fish content (1 ) and after feeding vitamin

E-deficient purified diet containing tuna oil and stripped safflower seed

oil (2,3). Fish oil is a rich source of PUFAs, which are highly susceptible

to oxidation, and an increased intake of fish oil has been associated with

increased vitamin E requirements. Currently the minimum dietary vitamin E

requirement of cats has been set at 30 IU/kg dry matter with dietary levels

expected to increase 3-4 times with a diet high in PUFAs (4 ).

>

> To prevent vitamin E deficiency in cats fed commercially sold diets, the

Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) recommends that fish

oil-containing diets for cats should be supplemented with 10 IU of vitamin E

for every g of fish oil per kg diet (5 ). However, there is no direct

evidence to substantiate the latter value or the increases recommended

(4,5 ) in adult cats. The main objective of this study was to determine the

vitamin E requirements of adult cats fed high dietary levels of PUFAs from

fish oil.

>

> AD  - Institute of Food, Nutrition and Human Heath, Massey University,

Palmerston North, New Zealand. Menu Foods Limited, Streetsville, Ontario,

Canada. Cargill, Minneapolis, MN and. Roche Vitamins Inc., Parsippany, NJ.

>

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>since flax seed oil was never eaten traditionally, why use it?

>get the omega-3s [EPA and DHA] from fish liver oils, where they are

>protected from oxidation by vitamin A.

>

>andrew



Sorry if this strays OT, but this post is so wrong I couldn't let it stand.



First, flax seed has been used for food for at least about 3,000 years,

probably more like 5,000 years.  Check a source like "Sturtevant's Edible

Plants of the World".  Some quotes:  "Flax has been in cultivation since the

earliest times...   Among the Greeks, Alcman.. in 700 BC ... and among the

Romans, Pliny, mention the seed as emplyed for human food, and the .... seed is

still eaten by... Abysinnians.  In the environs of Bombay... "  etc.



So unless you're referring to the expressed oil, as opposed to the whole seed? 

But that doesn't follow from the last part, since extracting fish oil instead

of eating the fish is quite recent.   (Any references to an aincient use of

fish oil would be appreciated!)



Secondly,  have you ever tasted your fish oils?  Try biting the capsules before

you swallow them... virtually the definition of rancid!    Now compare this

taste to a good cold pressed flax seed oil that's been protected from oxygen

and light.   If anyone knows of a source of fish oil that tastes as fresh as

such flax seed oil, let me know.  (Off list if OT, and please provide their

methodology for preventing such rancidity.)



Any commercial interest in fish oils?



Jim 

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> First, flax seed has been used for food for at least about 3,000 years,

> probably more like 5,000 years.



Flax has been cultivated this long, but as a source of linen. Indeed it has

been used as a medicine, like many other plants which are essentially

non-food items. Peach seeds are edible in the strict sense too, but would

you sit down to a bowl of them?

Can you provide a reference [ie a scientific one, not a 'Reader's Digest'

kind of reference] to it being eaten voluntarily [and not as a emergency

food item]?



Fish oils are protected from oxidation by vitamin A. Flax has no such

protection. since we are after DHA and EPA, it makes more sense to get these

from a source which actually has them, not from a source which provides

proxies which must be converted at a considerable degree of inefficiency.



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>> First, flax seed has been used for food for at least about 3,000 years,

>> probably more like 5,000 years.

>

>Flax has been cultivated this long, but as a source of linen. Indeed it has

>been used as a medicine, like many other plants which are essentially

>non-food items. Peach seeds are edible in the strict sense too, but would

>you sit down to a bowl of them?



I'm confused.  First of all, flax seeds have been eaten this long, with some

uses described as food some as herb.  Who cares?  Flax oil and fish oils are

like herbs... healthy people don't need them on a regular basis if they are

getting a good diet (like eating seeds and fish among other things.)  

You're original post made no mention of the quantity, you categorically said

 "since flax seed oil was never eaten traditionally",  but it has been eaten as

seeds, just as fish oils have been eaten as part of the fish.  As far as I

know, neither oil as pure oil has a traditional use.



You're analogy to peach seeds is meaningless.  Some people nowadays eat

tablespooons a day of flax seeds willingly, and the ones I know who do enjoy

them.  Some people eat only a little every few days, and miss them if they

don't get them for a while.  There is no comparison in toxicity levels with

peach seeds.  In fact, please let me know what the toxic level, or the most

toxic substance in flax seeds is.  (Sturtevant refers to both raw and cooked

use of the seeds - and different people now a days seem to have individual

preferences this way.)



>Can you provide a reference [ie a scientific one, not a 'Reader's Digest'

>kind of reference] to it being eaten voluntarily [and not as a emergency

>food item]?



I'ld like to see your justification for maligning Sturtevant's work.  The work

dates from 1919 - but name me a better overview source compiled since then. 

Grieve and a lot of other older herbals have almost no bibliographic references

- Sturtevant has 10 to 15 per page.  So I guess you regard the information in

Grieve, as much less reliable?  And he gives a reference for the "flax seed as

employed for human food" statement (Fluckiger and Hanbury  in Pharm. 97, 1879).



Lots of other people think Thucydides and Pliny recorded the use of flax as

food.  Just do a search with one of their names and flax.  And I've read of

archealogical digs in Europe that showed flax as being the first cereal crop in

some places.  So show me your reference that says flax seeds were only used as

emergency food and the references to Thucydides, Pliny and the archealogical

digs are all wrong.



>Fish oils are protected from oxidation by vitamin A. Flax has no such

>protection. since we are after DHA and EPA, it makes more sense to get these

>from a source which actually has them, not from a source which provides

>proxies which must be converted at a considerable degree of inefficiency.

 

Academic theorizing.  Show me the study that proves your fish oil capsules

aren't rancid.  Name me a brand that doesn't taste rancid.   No more from me on

this subject unless you start providing references for your view so there's a

basis of discussion.



Jim





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> I'm confused.  First of all, flax seeds have been eaten this long, with some

> uses described as food some as herb.  Who cares?  Flax oil and fish oils are

> like herbs... healthy people don't need them on a regular basis if they are

> getting a good diet (like eating seeds and fish among other things.)  

> You're original post made no mention of the quantity, you categorically said

>  "since flax seed oil was never eaten traditionally",  but it has been eaten as

> seeds, just as fish oils have been eaten as part of the fish.  As far as I

> know, neither oil as pure oil has a traditional use.



Since this thread started with reference to cats, it can certainly be said that

flax seeds or flax seed oil was never eaten traditionally, though cats are

well-known for eating fish.  But cats are known to chew on some plant materials

and to be attracted to some herbs such as catnip and valerian.

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In a message dated 6/12/2002 1:32:52 PM Central Standard Time, rnmsw@bellsouth.net writes:



    <Does anyone know of some topical herbal preparation I could easily

purchase to apply on a round, thick, scab approximately two inches in size.

    <I tried calendula in olive oil on the surrounding skin but it didn't

"feel" good and my skin did not like it.

TIA

Denise>



I think this is a perfect case for Palma Christi (Castor Oil).  Saturate a small piece of white babywool (use a piece of thin white washcloth if you don't have that), and tape in place at night. You can cover with a bit of plastic wrap to keep the oil from getting on everything.  Apply thinly during the day if you can't keep the cloth on.  Applied sooner it would have prevented such a thick scab from forming.



Combined with a bit of peanut oil after the scab comes off, it may reduce scarring.



Henrietta (Traiteusse)

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> 

>     <Does anyone know of some topical herbal preparation I could 

> easily purchase to apply on a round, thick, scab approximately two

inches 

> in size.I tried calendula in olive oil on the surrounding skin but it 

> didn't "feel" good and my skin did not like it.

> TIA

> Denise>

> 

> I think this is a perfect case for Palma Christi (Castor Oil).  

> Saturate a small piece of white babywool (use a piece of thin white 

> washcloth if you don't have that), and tape in place at night. You 

> can cover with a bit of plastic wrap to keep the oil from getting on 

> everything.  Apply thinly during the day if you can't keep the cloth 

> on.  Applied sooner it would have prevented such a thick scab from 

> forming. Combined with a bit of peanut oil after the scab comes off, it

may 

> reduce scarring. Henrietta (Traiteusse)

> _______________________________________________

>This sounds good, imo, and tiny amounts of antiseptic Essential Oils or

Herbal oils, could be added to the castor oil. Thyme,Oregano and Melissa

come to mind, and there are others.

Marcia

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We're going to be making the move to the Phoenix/Central AZ area next year,

and I'm excited that we're planning on having a few acres of land, upon

which I was hoping to get my medicinal herb garden started. Currently we

live in the Midwest US, Zone 4, where just about everything grows, but

living on a city lot prevented me from cultivating anything more than

plantain and chickweed. Now that I'm actually going to have the space to

have my own herbs, I'm a bit disappointed that NONE of my favorite herbs

seem to be indiginous to the desert. I bought Michael Moore's book on the

subject, but very few of the herbs I really want are listed in the book. St.

John's Wort, Motherwort, Valerian, German Chamomile, Yellow dock, etc.



So am I pretty much stuck with the herbs listed in his book, or have people

had success cultivating herbs such as these in this type of climate?



Kerry





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> 

> So am I pretty much stuck with the herbs listed in his book, or have 

> people

> had success cultivating herbs such as these in this type of climate?

> 

> Kerry



My cousin had some minor success in San Diego using containers in a

semi-shaded area.

You might have to figure something out using something like a container

or a plastic lined ditch with stuff like potting soil, lime, maybe some

compost and newspapers in layers, because you might have to conserve

water.  Check with your local dept of Agriculture field station people

for what is allowable, in terms of seeds that might be ordered out of

state, and ask them about nearby garden centers for herb plants, and what

they suggest for planting in your particular area.  You may have a

mini-climate that can be managed. There are desert-type places where

people grow many things in containers on a roof garden...



Good luck and good health with your new herbing adventure,

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"Kerry & Jack" <jclarke1@mn.rr.com> wrote:



> subject, but very few of the herbs I really want are listed in the book. St.

> John's Wort, Motherwort, Valerian, German Chamomile, Yellow dock, etc.



So tell me, do you wince every time you drive past a green golf course in the

desert? 



In Phoenix, for desert medicine, you look in your back yard. Give the desert a

year or two, because it really only gets colorful after the monsoons, and those

have been known to be scant (or even missing altogether) every now and then.



For your old herb friends, you go into the mountains, or you ask a friend to

send them to you.



Oh, I long for a trip to southern AZ... ocotillo, cottonwoods, acacia, white

sage, mesquite, saguaro, apache plume, etc. etc. etc., with a splash of flowers

in season, like verbena, California poppy, chia sage, Oenotheras, and so on,

there's so very much there! 

And the smell of gobernadora after a rain, there's really nothing quite like it.



Cheers

Henriette



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>Henriette wrote,

>So tell me, do you wince every time you drive past a green golf course in the

>desert?

>

>

>

Yes, I live near one and it has 3 illegal wells on it. This year has 

been a very dry one. the Saguaro is fruiting in my front yard, the 

birds got the first ones as always but I will have some this year 

because they are abundant ( maybe because it is so dry)

sharon in tucson

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>We're going to be making the move to the Phoenix/Central AZ area next year,

>and I'm excited that we're planning on having a few acres of land, upon

>which I was hoping to get my medicinal herb garden started. Currently we

>live in the Midwest US, Zone 4, where just about everything grows, but

>living on a city lot prevented me from cultivating anything more than

>plantain and chickweed. Now that I'm actually going to have the space to

>have my own herbs, I'm a bit disappointed that NONE of my favorite herbs

>seem to be indiginous to the desert. I bought Michael Moore's book on the

>subject, but very few of the herbs I really want are listed in the book. St.

>John's Wort, Motherwort, Valerian, German Chamomile, Yellow dock, etc.

>

>So am I pretty much stuck with the herbs listed in his book, or have people

>had success cultivating herbs such as these in this type of climate?

>

>Kerry

>

good luck in growing valerian and SJW here it is way too arid. I have 

seen Motherwort and chamomile in gardens and there is a wild local 

dock if it rains. The price of water is high and that is the main 

drawback in trying to grow things that are more suited to damper 

climates. You would be better off trying to learn the local plants 

and plants that can be naturalized to the area.

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I've recently been diagnosed with elevated thyroid peroxidase antibodies 

(TPO), an indicator of autoimmune hypothyroidism. My TSH is elevated (4.98; 

"normal"=5.0), with low-normal T4.



Does anyone know of any immune modulating herbs that could be helpful for 

this condition? I'm currently on Synthroid (synthetic T4), which has allowed 

me to feel "normal" for the first time in quite a while. However, I'd like 

to not have to take Synthroid for the rest of my life, and would rather cure 

the underlying autoimmune dysfunction. Anyone know of any formulas specific 

for autoimmune thyroiditis?



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Here is some info I have compiled that you might find useful. It comes from

a few different sources. I pulled out what seemed to be repeated most

frequently and made the most sense.

Bob



Treatment of Hypothyroidism



Once a pattern of hypothyroid symptoms is established and the basal body

temperatures are found to be low, the next step is a therapeutic trial of

thyroid hormone. Dr. Barnes, his physician followers and many

patients have found that the most effective thyroid medication is Armour

Desiccated Thyroid Hormone. This medication is derived from the thyroid

gland of the pig. It most closely resembles the human thyroid gland. It is

dried or desiccated and processed into small tablets. In contrast, most

conventional physicians prefer to use the synthetically produced thyroxine

or T4. In my experience and the experience of many other physicians using

Dr. Barnes' protocol, the synthetic T4 is not as effective as the desiccated

thyroid.

How can we monitor the results of treatment if the blood tests are

inadequate to the job? We do this by how the person feels, whether or not

the thyroid symptoms and signs have improved or disappeared, whether or not

symptoms of an overactive thyroid gland have developed, and by monitoring

the basal body temperature.



Generally, the dosage of Armour thyroid is best started at a low dose, with

a gradual increase every week or two, until the optimal therapeutic dosage

is reached. It may take four to six weeks at the optimal dosage to feel the

full therapeutic benefits. In my practice, I generally start the patient on

1/4 grain or 15 milligrams daily. Every week or two, I increase the dosage

by 1/4 grain per day until 1 to 2 grains daily are reached. Usually, the

optimal dosage is in this range, provided that the patient is doing the

other adjunctive necessary things, which I will discuss in a moment.

Occasionally, the dosage may need to be 2 and a half grains daily or more.

Full therapeutic benefits many not be fully realized for months and the

basal temperatures may not come up to normal for a year or more. The dosage

for infants is usually 1/8 to 1/4 grain daily and from one to six years old,

the dosage is usually 1/4 grain. From 7 years to puberty, 1/2 grain is

usually used, but it may need to be increased.

How Long Should Patients Take Thyroid Hormone?

When using the desiccated thyroid protocol, patients often remain on the

thyroid for life. However, there may be times when the patient can be weaned

off the thyroid as all other functions improve, as long as the patient is

carefully monitored for the development of low thyroid symptoms and signs

and low basal temperatures. When a person's basal temperatures are low, many

of the enzymes of the body function in a suboptimal way, which leads to all

of the problems we have discussed.



For Info on Armour and Thyrolar

Professional Affairs Department

Forest Pharmaceuticals

13600 Shoreline Drive

St Louis, MO 63045

800-678-1605, x 7037, Fax: 314-493-7457









Complementary and Alternative Therapies



Alternative therapies can help when used along with the medications your

provider prescribes.



Nutrition



Foods that depress thyroid activity are broccoli, cabbage Brussels sprouts,

cauliflower, kale, spinach, turnips, soy beans, tofu and other soy products,

peanuts, linseed, pine nuts, millet, horse radish, pears, radish, peaches,

rutabagas,cassava, and mustard greens. Cooking may cancel out the bad

properties of these veggies but better to avoid them when possible.   Avoid

refined foods, dairy products, wheat, caffeine, and alcohol.

DO EAT: Shellfish, fish, eggs, nuts, whole grains, parsely, yellow and

orange veggies such as squash, carrots, distilled or purified water (avoid

fluoride in water). In general, don't do any of these to excess, no all

carrot diets. A wide variety of foods, eating more of the good foods and

less of the bad foods.





Vitamins and Supplements



? Essential fatty acids are anti-inflammatory and necessary for hormone

production. Take 1000-1500 flaxseed oil mg three times per day.

? Calcium (1 000 mg per day) Calcium should be taken several hours before or

after the thyroid hormone.

? Magnesium (500mg per day) help many metabolic processes function correctly

? Vitamin D and Calcium for prevention of osteoporosis

? Vitamin C for adrenal supplementation. (1,000 mg three to four times per

day),

? Vitamin A  (10,000 to 25,000 IU per day),

? B complex [50 to 100 mg/day, augmented with vitamins B2 (riboflavin, 15

mg), B3 (niacin, 25 to 50mg), and B6 (pyridoxine, 25 to 50 mg)]

? selenium (200 mcg per day),

? iodine (300 mcg per day),

? vitamin E (400 IU per day), and

? zinc (30 mg per day)

? L-tyrosine (500 mg two or three times a day) also supports normal thyroid

function. May make high blood pressure worse.



Herbs



Herbs may be used as dried extracts (capsules powders teas) or tinctures

(alcohol extracts). Unless otherwise indicated teas should be made with 1

tsp. herb per cup of hot water. Steep covered 10 minutes for leaf or flowers

and 10 to 20 minutes

for roots. Drink 2 to 4 cups per day.



This combination can support thyroid function: Combine equal parts of the

following herbs for a tea (3 to 4 cups per day) or tincture (20 to 30 drops

three times per day). Horsetail (Equisetum arvense), oatstraw (Avena

sativa), alfalfa (Medicago sativa), and gotu kola (Centella asiatica).



 Kelp (Alaria esculenta), bladderwrack (Fucus vesiculosis), and Irish moss

(Chondrus crispus) may be taken as foods or in capsule form.



 Coleus foreskohlii (1 to 2 ml three times a day) stimulates thyroid

function with an increase in thyroid hormone production. Also, herbs such as

guggul (Commiphora guggul) (25 mg of guggulsterones

 three times a day), red yeast rice and hawthorne (Crataegus oxyacantha)

(500 mg twice a day) are taken to counteract high cholesterol, which often

accompanies hypothyroidism.



Hashimoto's Autoimmune Thyroiditis (HAIT)

The immune system can attack the thyroid as well as other organs. These

different illnesses can co-exist, all as the result of an overactive or

misdirected immune system. The standard thyroid tests do not diagnose this

problem. Many people, usually women, with symptoms of hypothyroid but normal

standard tests have this form of hypothyroidism. The best current test is to

look for thyroid antibodies. Treatment involves natural thyroid

supplementation with Armour thyroid. Recent evidence also suggests

supplementation with Selenium 100-200 mcg per day. It is possible that

Cortisol and DHEA, two adrenal gland hormones, can reduce the immune system

dysfunction. More studies are needed, but taking these medications and

supplements appropriately carries little if any risk and can markedly

improve the patient's function and overall health.

Usually, however, Hashimoto's involves a slow but steady destruction of the

gland that eventually results in the thyroid's inability to produce

sufficient thyroid hormone --the condition known as hypothyroidism. Along

the way, however, there can be periods where the thyroid sputters back to

life, even causing temporary hyperthyroidism, then a return to

hypothyroidism. This cycling back and forth between hypothyroidism and

hyperthyroidism is characteristic of Hashimoto's disease.





Thyroid Supplementation



The synthetic thyroid hormone, Synthroid (T4) is commonly prescribed by many

physicians if thyroid tests are abnormal, and in many cases doesn't seem to

work effectively. I have observed numerous patients who are taking their

Synthroid as prescribed, with levels in the improvement in their condition.

Some discontinue their medication and feel no significant difference.

Increasing their Synthroid (T4) sometimes helps, but more often the benefit

is dramatically greater when either T3 (Cytomel) is added or the patient is

changed to Armour Thyroid, which has both T3 and T4. A study published in

February 11, 1999 in the New England Journal Of Medicine demonstrated

significant benefit in patients who added T3 to their T4 medicine.

Many physicians are unaware of this study, and remain unaware of the benefit

of adding T3 to the hormone regimen. Thus, patients may encounter resistance

by their primary care physician to the addition of T3 or the change to

Armour Thyroid (dessicated natural thyroid). Many physicians were trained in

an era that emphasized the use of Synthroid as a "pure" hormone. It appears

that the "purity" of T4 is in itself, it's downfall; the T3 and possibly T2

in the dessicated natural thyroid contribute significantly to the effect of

the hormone supplement. Another issue with Synthroid has involved production

and consistency, and it is

under intense scrutiny by the FDA.

If a patient suffers from the signs and symptoms of a slow metabolism and

poor healing, even if laboratory testing suggests normal or low normal

levels, a trial of Thyroid medication is reasonable and safe. Armour Thyroid

carries the least risk and a fair degree of benefit, and is a good place to

start. Depending on the results, the patient may choose to try the more

complicated T3 treatments later.

If a patient is already taking T4 (Synthroid) and doesn't feel noticeably

better, consider either

adding T3 (Cytomel) or changing to Armour Thyroid.



This may explain why some patients have felt better on alternative thyroid

drugs such as the natural Armour Thyroid, Westhroid and Naturethroid, which

contain T4 and T3 naturally, and the synthetic T4/T3 drug Thyrolar.













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I've recently been diagnosed with elevated thyroid peroxidase antibodies

(TPO), an indicator of autoimmune hypothyroidism. My TSH is elevated (4.98;

"normal"=5.0), with low-normal T4.



Does anyone know of any immune modulating herbs that could be helpful for

this condition? I'm currently on Synthroid (synthetic T4), which has allowed

me to feel "normal" for the first time in quite a while. However, I'd like

to not have to take Synthroid for the rest of my life, and would rather cure

the underlying autoimmune dysfunction. Anyone know of any formulas specific

for autoimmune thyroiditis?



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A patient is asking me about Boswellia. She has given me a leaflet about it

and she has Rheumatoid Arthritis but is suffering side effects from the

drugs and has taken herself off them.  She is looking for something to

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I have some Urticaria herbal tincture and I want to make a cream for a

patient who suffers from hives from the sun. How much tincture do I add the

cream? I have used a commercially prepared one for itchy insect bits before

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> I have some Urticaria herbal tincture and I want to make a cream for a

> patient who suffers from hives from the sun. How much tincture do I add the

> cream? I have used a commercially prepared one for itchy insect bits before

> but I think that is made using homeopathic medicating Potency 6x which I

> don't have in  stock.



Urticaria tincture, tincture for itchy rash? What's in it?

Or Urtica tincture, nettle tincture? If so, that's not going to be all that much

of a help for hives. Not in a salve, anyway:

 1. nettles does far more if taken internally, for allergies and such

 2. a tincture is rather too likely to irritate tender skin, and no, even

    letting it sit for 1.5 hours on a waterbath doesn't get rid of all the

    alcohol, but it _will_ get alcohol steam all over your kitchen. So be

    careful with fire while you do this. Don't even think of doing this on a gas

    stove, eh?



What helps for hives is

- externally: herbs: chickweed (fresh), jewelweed (fresh), other Impatiens spp.

  either as diluted juice or as salves

  I make my chickweed salve this way: pour oil into top bowl of waterbath, add

  as much chickweed as will fit, let sit on hot stove for 1.5 hours, strain, let

  liquid sit in a tall container for 2-4 days, don't move it around so the

  bottom muck can settle good and proper; siphon oil off bottom muck, continue

  salvemaking as usual (I use 1 part beeswax to 8 parts oil. That'd be 100 g to

  8 dl)

- internally: herbs: help your _liver_

- internally: others: clean up your diet. Water is also helpful.



Cheers

Henriette



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> Or Urtica tincture, nettle tincture? If so, that's not going to be all

that much

> of a help for hives. Not in a salve, anyway:

>  1. nettles does far more if taken internally, for allergies and such



And while most constituents of Urtica dioica are water-soluble, it's a waste

of alcohol to tincture nettles...



Groeten,

Anne



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Hi folks,

I looking for a workbook by Gilian Painter "

A herbalist's medicine-making workbook Auckland, New

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<Hi folks,

I looking for a workbook by Gilian Painter "

A herbalist's medicine-making workbook Auckland, New

Zealand, 1998" Has anyone out there heard of it or

knows where I might get a copy of it.

Thanks for anyhelp,

Keith Hubbard C.H.>



Here is a location with 7 references to books authored/coauthored by Gilian Painter. They can be ordered from there, or you can make inquiries:



http://sitelevel.whatuseek.com/query.go?crid=6f546ee61e021ce8&query=Painter

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try searching 



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Sorry I did mean Urtica tincture was urticaria!!. I use the tincture as a

antihistamine internally with people who have allergies.



OK so it sounds as if the commercial homeopathic creams must be made with

the potenised 6x Medicating Potency and I have got some 6C so that will have

to do.  I have got some Stellaria (chickweed) commercially made cream by

Neil's Yard but I don't like it as it has other junk in as well.



Thanks for your informative post Henrietta.



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Hi,



I just wanted to add that a couple of years ago, when I got my first eczema

attack, and had no clue what it even was (I'm 50, now, rather late in life for a

first attack I think), I posted a question to this list about the incredible

itching.  I thought it was poison ivy (so did a nurse who happened to notice

it), though I hadn't had that since I was a kid, despite frequent exposure.

Someone suggested a poultice made of violet leaves.  It gave me relief in about

5 minutes--wonderful!



May



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On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:30:12 -0400 May Terry <mterry@snet.net> writes:

> Hi,

> 

> I just wanted to add that a couple of years ago, when I got my first 

> eczema  attack, ... itching.  I thought it was poison ivy...> Someone

suggested a poultice made of violet leaves.  It gave me  relief in about 

5 minutes--wonderful!> 

> May



Violet leaves are WONDERFUL, if you have them, and this means viola

odorata or viola cucullata leaves.



I have them ( according to neighbors, etc.) just ruining the lovely green

fur coat type of New England lawn I could have if I weeded or used

chemicals.   If you don't have them, plantain, plantago spp. can also be

crushed and made into a poultice.  Another thought, colloidal oatmeal

baths and products made from same (nci Aveeno or generic)used

commercially for itching, might be a hint for a chilled decoction of

oatstraw with or without flowers and leaves.  If it is filtered and

chilled it might be a nice liquid to sponge on.   With aloe vera gel

thrown in the blender with same, it might be very nice.  The sap from the

crushed stems of jewel weed could be a nice addition.  I have had

"itch-itis" from either a contact allergen or a tiny insect bite  in the

garden and broke a jewelweed stem and rubbed the Juicy end on the itch

and got quick relief.   What you have available is important, and knowing

not to use something with a similar popular name like African Violets, or

the leaves of Hosta Spp. which is also called "plantain lily", ALSO.



Take care,

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Another great itch stopper is bruised burdock leaves--I've used it for

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Marcia V Grossbard wrote:



> I have had

> "itch-itis" from either a contact allergen or a tiny insect bite  in the

> garden and broke a jewelweed stem and rubbed the Juicy end on the itch

> and got quick relief.



Actually, I knew it wasn't poison ivy when I used jewelweed on it and it had

no effect...my 'significant other', who reacts severely to poison ivy

exposure, said, no, it can't be, otherwise the jewelweed would be taking care

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>Do the practitioners on this list find that Plantago lanceolata is as

>effective, topically, as Plantago major?  I have a whole lot more of the

>former in my back yard.

>

>May

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In my experience they have been just as effective. For bee stings and 

yeast infections and wound care. Last time I was up in Idaho about a 

year ago,I gathered what was abundant in the old logging areas and 

that was a rather large sized lance leaf plantain. And having been 

told that the stuff here collected when it grows works as well has 

worked successfully on scorpion stings and wolf spider bites as well.

Sharon in Tucson

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May Terry <mterry@snet.net> wrote to "herb@lists.ibiblio.org":



> Do the practitioners on this list find that Plantago lanceolata is as

> effective, topically, as Plantago major?  I have a whole lot more of the

> former in my back yard.



Actually, it's the other way around. In central Europe "the" plantain to use is

Plantago lanceolata... which is rather rare up here in the North.



Anyway, all Plantago spp. work.



Cheers

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Jim said, re flax:

 > In fact, please let me know what the toxic level, or the most

> toxic substance in flax seeds is



the problematic items are the cyanogenic glycosides. not because of cyanide

poisoning per se but since they are metabolised to thiocyanate this has

goitrogenic consequences long term. much as casava unless prepared properly.

long term consequences of chronic cyanogen intake may apply. would explain

why flax has never been used as a food [apart form the fact that it is

physically inedible] but may has use as a cancer agent [a la Joanna Budwig].

phytostrogens and lignan are another issue possibly.



since the rationale of flax is to rebalance LA/ALA, why not use perilla

which has far less LA? if you are trying to reduce LA intake, why take flax,

which is 20% LA?



since the rationale is also to boost EPA/DHA, why not use cod liver oil,

which actually has EPA and DHA, unlike flax, which has none.



However, Jimbo, i acknowledge flax has a bright yellow colour. It may be

even more brighter than cod liver oil.  if this makes you feel good then

gulp away.



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So remember, I've talked about how early and hot our summer has been?



The plants agree.



Tagetes lucida, which generally doesn't flower at all, here, has not only buds

but flowers. I bought one plant mid-May and put it in my garden... at the same

time, I also bought one Lippia citriodora (they tend to die on me, over winter,

indoors, too). That one, which should never flower at all, here, has buds.



Things that should flower end July or so, have buds. Things like Echinacea

purpurea. Things that should flower end June are completely over the hill - like

for instance maral root, Leuzea rhaponticum. And I don't remember a summer where

strawberries would have been as early as this year... the first ones are ripe

now, both garden-grown and wild ones. 

The evening primroses are also flowering now, and they flopped over, so I had to

bind them up.



The musk mallows are showing their colors now; seems like the pink one spreads

wider than the white one. The mother plants (one white, one pink) are about 5 m

(5 yards) apart, and I like the white one beside the pink-flowering rose mallow

(Malva alcea), so I'm pulling up the pink musk mallows which have turned up in

the wrong spot. Boyo, do they spread... but then, a little mallow never hurt,

and I do add lots to my teas. Other mallows in my garden: marshmallow,

hollyhocks (due to show their colors next week, I think), Lavatera species, and

all kinds of mallows in the spot where I threw my leftover seeds last year.

That's a neat thing to do, but they have no room at all... I think there's some

Queen Anne's lace in there, too, and of course lots of Echinacea purpurea, some

lilies, an American mandrake or five (Podophyllum something), lots of Verbascums

- the Verbascum nigrum, in another spot, is also far too early with its flowers.

Lavenders have bursting buds... it's high summer.



What else? I think the first tomatoes will be ripe next week. I have two plants,

both some yellow dwarf type things, and they're out in the garden, not in a

greenhouse (most tomatoes have to be greenhoused, here) (I don't have a

greenhouse).



The lettuce in the heat flats over thataway (not mine) were flowering end _May_,

which made me laugh. Flowering lettuce is usually something you see in August,

when they bolt.



Those flats have supplied lots of chickweed for early chickweed salves, too;

another week or so and I'll have chickweed (that most exquisite and rare

plant...) from my own garden. I'm happy to say red clover also has made an

appearance there, as has St. John's wort (I planted one, but another turned up

in a completely different spot). Those SJWs will flower very soon, the buds are

pretty big. Usually, up here, its time is mid-July.



Like, wow!



Henriette



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On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:10:09 +0300, you wrote:



Hello all,



>So remember, I've talked about how early and hot our summer has been?



I live on the west coast of Canada. U must be getting our weather as

everything is late & by about 3 weeks. We have "Finally" got our 1st

hot spell as we wildcraft the alpine meadows this was a great concern

to us. 2 weeks ago I was finally able to pick the 1st yarrow as an

example of  how we are lagging behind our normal weather.



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Hi all,



I have a lot of dock-I think it is yellow dock as the root is yellow in my

flower gardens and I want to use it but can't right now.  When I dig it up,

can I just dry it or should I do something else to preserve it before I

tincture it??  My husband just came home from the hospital and I am too busy

taking care of him and working to get to tincture it right now.  Thanks for

any help you can give.  Robin



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"Robin Dorey" <rdorey@mtdata.com> wrote to <herb@lists.ibiblio.org>:



> I have a lot of dock-I think it is yellow dock as the root is yellow in my

> flower gardens and I want to use it but can't right now.  When I dig it up,

> can I just dry it or should I do something else to preserve it before I

> tincture it??  My husband just came home from the hospital and I am too busy

> taking care of him and working to get to tincture it right now.  Thanks for

> any help you can give.  Robin



There's lots of docks with yellow roots; Rumex crispus is the one usually called

yellow dock, but they all work, the yellower the better. Don't water them,

they're yellower (= stronger) when stressed.

If you're going to tincture them you have two choices:

  1. wash, dry off, chop up, put into jar, add 95 % alcohol

  2. wash, dry off, chop up, dry, tincture with 50 % alcohol



I usually do slices or sticks, or just cut them up as small as I can get them,

and dry that. Also, I don't bother to tincture it, it works fine in tea.



They lose all their yellow color if you dry them just spread out on an old sheet

(it'll stain the sheet). A teensy bit of the yellow color is retained if you dry

them in a dryer. Dried either way, the root works, but because you can't tell

quality of the dried herb, don't dry the almost white ones at all.



Cheers

Henriette



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Hi all,



I am having a flare up of bursitis in my hips.  Are there any herbs that are

helpful for this affliction??  It's costing me a few good nights sleep.  I

have tried to think of anything different I might be doing but nothing comes

to mind.  Don't remember anyone asking about this particular problem.  TIA

Robin



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>Hi all,

>

>I am having a flare up of bursitis in my hips.  Are there any herbs that are

>helpful for this affliction??  It's costing me a few good nights sleep.  I

>have tried to think of anything different I might be doing but nothing comes

>to mind.  Don't remember anyone asking about this particular problem.  TIA

>Robin

I like Saint John's wort oil topically or loose herb in a bath. If 

you lived here I would have a few other ideas, of local plants.



sharon in tucson

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tumeric root is an effective anti-inflammatory that doesn't bother your stomach.  My other half has bursitis in a shoulder after years as a framing carpenter.  He takes 2 to 4 00 caps up to 3 times a day depending on how irritated his shoulder is.  works great.

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I just got the latest issue of Medical herbalism, and it's looking good:



First, Donna Odierna delves into the depths of Hep C., what's fact and fiction,

risks, therapies, etiology, and lifestyle. It's a very good article, and one

that I for one will use as a base to tell Hep C -positive clients about their

disease.



Next, Paul Bergner has looked into adverse effects of popular herbs.

Interesting, some people can get hypertension after three months of a cuppa

licorice decoction a day... what he didn't mention is that this hypertension

disappears when you use your common sense and stop taking licorice. He also

delves into cayenne, burdock, peppermint, astragalus, gingko, vitex, and

chamomile.



Then, David Winston takes an ellinwoodesque look at liver herbs. The original

can be found here:

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/ellingwood/liver-chart.html . 

Back when I formatted this for the website I thought these charts looked

extremely useful, but unfortunately Ellingwood used liver herbs I don't usually

use. David Winston added silybum and turmeric to the list, took out podophyllum,

and modernized a bit.

I'd really like to see something similar for mild common liver herbs. Things

like yellow dock, mahonia/berberis, and dandelion/chicory. And again for mild

kidney/adrenal herbs, like licorice, nettle seeds, ginsengs, corn silk,

Solidago, Equisetum, etc. etc. etc.



Lastly, Paul Bergner looks into simples vs. formulas, vs. middle ground. Looks

like physiomedicalists used/use 2-3 herb formulas. (I use something like 5-6,

oh, okay, sometimes it's even 8, herbs in a formula). This mini-combo approach

might be a good way to learn the basics of making formulas, in addition to

shedding light on the manifold uses of herbs. In this issue the light is shed

onto black cohosh. Really very interesting.



And this, kids, is why I like "Medical Herbalism". Down-to-earth articles, of

real use to the practitioner.



Dunno, do you guys want this kind of thing on the list? I'll do the next EJHM,

the AHG journal, and the Modern phytotherapist, too, once they arrive. My

subscription to the AJMH seems to have lapsed (get _Visa_, guys!), and I haven't

decided to subscribe to the BJPhyt yet... (... heey, but perhaps, if I do them

all, I get free subscriptions? There's a thought!)



Cheers

Henriette



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Henriette,



Very much appreciated this post.  Keep 'em coming.  Thanks.



Diana

His Garden Botanicals



> 

> Dunno, do you guys want this kind of thing on the list? I'll do the

> next EJHM, the AHG journal, and the Modern phytotherapist, too, once

> they arrive. My subscription to the AJMH seems to have lapsed (get

> _Visa_, guys!), and I haven't decided to subscribe to the BJPhyt

> yet... (... heey, but perhaps, if I do them all, I get free

> subscriptions? There's a thought!)

> 

> Cheers

> Henriette

> 

> -- 

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Your review and comments are much appreciated!  A lot of folks don't know

what the journals are let alone how much information is in them!

Best regards,

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I just got the latest issue of Medical herbalism, and it's looking good:







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> I am enjoying this very much. I am wondering how one goes about subscribing 

> to these journals?



One could go look up their info in the medicinal herbfaq... here:

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/faqs/medi-6-3-periodicals.html 



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Yes.  Even if I never get to reading them, I'll enjoy hearing about 

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Does anyone know about using the flower of Albizia jubilbrissin (mimosa)

in addition to the bark (used in TCM and called He Huan Pi). I have

heard that the flower also has calming properties, and I assume it would

be strongest as a tincture, but so far I have only made tea from it,

which  has a pleasant taste. I'm just not sure about consuming a lot of

it as I know nothing about its constituents, and I can't seem to find

any information. Any ideas?



-Ellie in Florida where A. jubilbrissin is unfortunately an invasive

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mimosa is frequently used in relaxing recipes for comfort pillows



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>Does anyone know about using the flower of Albizia jubilbrissin



PFAF says:

The flower heads are carminative, digestive, sedative and tonic. They are 

used internally in the treatment of insomnia, irritability, breathlessness 

and poor memory. The flowers are harvested as they open and are dried for 

later use. 



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Hi herb-friends,



I have heard about a herb belonging to the family 



Cistaceae. I dont know the Genus-name.



It has blue flowers and is used for skincare.



I dont know where it growes - U.S. or Europe?



Anybody who have heard of such a herb?





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Oxeye daisy, Leucanthemum vulgare, Chrysanthemum leucanthemum



I use it as one of the herbs for urinary tract infections. The other standard

herbs for that are Bidens, Capsella, Galium, and such. Solidago if I have some

left; and I generally throw in some licorice, and mallows.



Actually, it's somewhere between capsella and bidens in action. Or was it bidens

is somewhere between capsella and leucanthemum in action? I forget, but it

doesn't matter to me, because I always combine them, as long as I have them, and

when I run out of one of the three I just use the other two. 



Part used: flowers, leaves, flowerstalks

Pick when: two first weeks in July, over here. Usually, that is.

Use how: dried herb in tea; 1-2 teaspoons of the tea blend to 2 dl boiling water

   (half a pint), let steep 5-10 minutes, strain, drink 2-3 times a day.

Problem: some kind of beetle seems to live in the stem and/or flower, sometimes.

   Yech... just throw it all out when you see the first hints of a

   spiderweb-like web. 

   Solution: keep dried herb in many many smaller jars, don't keep it in one

   large jar. (I go through perhaps 3 liters of these flowers a year. That's

   easily picked in one afternoon, in season.. season is right now, over here,

   this year. I'll go pick my oxeye daisy bundles day after tomorrow.)

Good things: people go "ooh" and "aah" when I load oxeye daisy flowers into

   their tea blend.



Anybody here use it in other ways? It's pretty abundant, and I might want to

widen its uses. No book reports, only real live ones, please.



-----



Bidens - all species.



Another of the herbs I use to soothe irritated urinary tract. It's good as a

general tonic, and it's good in acute UT infections. In bulk the dried herb has

a nice scent, too.



I still have bidens from last year, and that's good, because that one's the last

of the three to flower. 



Part used: flowering plant, aboveground parts. Note, the seeds are really

   tenacious; don't go out picking bidens in your best woollen sweater.

Pick when: mid to late August, over here. Usually.

Use how: dried herb in tea.



Anybody here use it in other ways? This, too, is abundant; there's three species

within 100 meters of where I live, and it's a weed in my garden, too.



-----



Shepherd's purse, Capsella bursa-pastoris



Good for the urinary tract, and a good lymphatic. It's also _the_ single fastest

bleeding stopper (styptic) that I know about. I use it not only in chronic

urinary tract infections, but also in too heavy menstrual bleeding and such.

With other herbs, of course, as needed, always according to the person in front

of me.



Used parts: green herb in flower/seed, including root, if you feel so inclined.

   Discard brown flowered-out parts.

Pick when: it's one of the early summer plants; mid to end June, usually. Get to

   know the heart-shaped _flat_ form of its seedpods, don't pick the Thlaspi

   that's almost identical, except its seedpods are roundish and have wings. The

   Thlaspi isn't toxic, but I've never heard of a medicinal use for one; they're

   usually just spring salad greens.

Use how: it's a tincture herb, except in urinary tract teas. Unfortunately it

   doesn't keep, not as a dried herb (give it 6 months, throw out), nor as a

   tincture (give it a year, throw out). You can freeze the cut-up dried herb

   for longer storage. I don't know if you could freeze the tincture for longer

   storage, I haven't tried. Don't freeze the fresh uncut herb, you'll never get

   around to using it if it's in that inaccessible a form.

   Tincture at 1:2 95 %, fresh herb, that's best. To stop bleeding, take 5-10

   drops every 10 minutes.

   Urinary tract tea, just put it in with the rest. How much? Well, I do a

   handful of this and a snippet of that, don't ask about amounts, for teas...



Again, anybody use Capsella for other things? I'd love to hear about them.



Cheers

Henriette



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Dear Henriette,

Thanks for another of your informative posts but this one left me in a

muddle!!



This is from my homeopathic MM -Boericke.



REMEDY NAME:THLASPI BURSA PASTORIS-CAPSELLA.

(Shepherd's Purse)

<DESCRIPTION>

Is an anti-haemorrhagic and anti-uric-acid remedy.......



You wrote:-

<<Shepherd's purse, Capsella bursa-pastoris......don't pick the Thlaspi

   that's almost identical, except its seedpods are roundish and have wings.

The

   Thlaspi isn't toxic, but I've never heard of a medicinal use for one;

they're

   usually just spring salad greens.>>



We call Shepherds Purse Thlaspi  and obviously use it for the same reasons

as you do!!! Please can you explain?



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"rochelle" <rochelle@ntlworld.com> wrote to <herb@lists.ibiblio.org>:



> You wrote:-

> <<Shepherd's purse, Capsella bursa-pastoris......don't pick the Thlaspi

>    that's almost identical, except its seedpods are roundish and have wings. The

> 

> We call Shepherds Purse Thlaspi  and obviously use it for the same reasons

> as you do!!! Please can you explain?



The latin names of homeopathics are _very_ old. Shepherd's purse is Capsella

bursa-pastoris, it's not a Thlaspi and hasn't been in since the early 1900s or

so.



There's lots of different Thlaspi species; one of them has smallish, rounded,

heart-formed seedpods, but it's still no shepherd's purse. 

It _is_ excellent for teaching the botanical differences between these two

species: "Okay guys, now bring me some shepherd's purse" - and half the people

bring in this Thlaspi... but by the end of the week they get the right plant.



Cheers

Henriette



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>Oxeye daisy, Leucanthemum vulgare, Chrysanthemum leucanthemum

>Anybody here use it in other ways? It's pretty abundant, and I might want

to

>widen its uses. No book reports, only real live ones, please.



Ox eye makes a great base for mock chicken soup stock.

About 2 parts flowers to one part marshmallow leaves.  Add some seaweed if

you have it - I use iridea or gigartina as their "slimacious" factor lends

the texture of bone simmered stock + many mineral goodies.  Simmer for 15

minutes or so - add some fresh Thymus vulgaris and white or yellow sweet

clover (gives it that slightly sweet taste chicken stock has), fresh ground

black pepper as seasonings, cover and let steep until cool.  Strain.  Use

fresh - freezes well.



More flavor than real chicken stock - with a little rice is excellant as a

"first meal" after stomach flu, food poisoning, or for weak digestion in

general.



I have used marigold flowers in place of the ox-eye.  Not nearly as much

depth or rich flavor, but passable if you miss the daisy harvest.

JoyceW





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mmm, sounds good.

I love the taste of ox-eye.

Do you harvest and dry the flowers?

Or just use them fresh?

Joanie

 

> Ox eye makes a great base for mock chicken soup stock. 

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>I love the taste of ox-eye.

>Do you harvest and dry the flowers?

>Or just use them fresh?

>Joanie



Always used them fresh as I have a large freezer to store the stock - also

have canned it in the past, but MUST use a pressure canner as is low acid.

Have made tea from dried flowers.  Imo, has more of a medicinal taste rather

than food taste

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okay, interesting.  Thanks, Joyce.

So...have you harvested the flowers and spread them out and freezed and then

bagged them?

Or do you make the stock=soup and freeze THAT or process the flowers before

freezing in any other way?



I have a freezer full now of maple sap I never got around to boiling down

and saved for making maple coffee.

I can make space.

I used to can stuff as a teenager...but rarely ate it...bet there is still

an assortment of canned mushroom and grape ketchups in the cellar here from

those times..........



Good stuff to know..your experimentations with this plant.



I have eaten the flowers and leaves (especially) in salads, but had never

used it when not completely fresh like that.

Joanie





> Always used them fresh as I have a large freezer to store the stock - also

> have canned it in the past, but MUST use a pressure canner as is low acid.

> Have made tea from dried flowers.  Imo, has more of a medicinal taste

rather

> than food taste

> JoyceW



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Hi, Folks:

I am researching alternative treatments for a client who was diagnosed with

fibromyalgia about 6 months ago. She also has asthma, which was largely

under control until after her pregnancy (2 yrs ago), and has since escalated

in severity and frequency of episodes. Now, the two problems seem to be

triggering each other. If any of you experienced practitioners have had

successes treating either problem, but hopefully the combination, I would

love to hear from you.



Thanks for any help,



Brenda Wyatt

WomynWyse Herbs & Botanicals

Toledo, OH



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mmm, sounds good.

I love the taste of ox-eye.

Do you harvest and dry the flowers?

Or just use them fresh?

Joanie



> Ox eye makes a great base for mock chicken soup stock.

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Dear Brenda,

    I just finished an exquisitely provocative book called "Healing Back

Pain" by John Sarno, M.D. You ask, why, I am recommending a book on back

pain? It seems that the good doctor has developed a new theory on back pain

which also holds true for fibromalgia and asthma. In fact, he states that

both asthma and fibromalgia may have the same causes. I suggest you buy this

cheap little paperback and read it. It has changed my perception of some

common, mysterious illnesses  of which back pain and fibromalgia are but a

few.



doug





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> Hi, Folks:

> I am researching alternative treatments for a client who was diagnosed

with

> fibromyalgia about 6 months ago. She also has asthma, which was largely

> under control until after her pregnancy (2 yrs ago), and has since

escalated

> in severity and frequency of episodes. Now, the two problems seem to be

> triggering each other. If any of you experienced practitioners have had

> successes treating either problem, but hopefully the combination, I would

> love to hear from you.

>

> Thanks for any help,

>

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>So...have you harvested the flowers and spread them out and freezed and

then

>bagged them?

>Or do you make the stock=soup and freeze THAT or process the flowers before

>freezing in any other way?



Make the soup - freeze that.  All fresh ingredients that way, and one less

step.



Could freeze the flowers.  Might try it.  Maybe blach first.  See how they

hold up as a vegetable.  Come February, anything green looks appetizing

anyway.

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OK Doug....just what is Dr. Sarno's provocative little theory? You can't

just drop these little hints and then leave us hanging.  --Susan in rainy

Florida



>I just finished an exquisitely provocative book called "Healing Back

>Pain" by John Sarno, M.D. You ask, why, I am recommending a book on back

>pain? It seems that the good doctor has developed a new theory on back pain

>which also holds true for fibromalgia and asthma. In fact, he states that

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Dear Susan,

    Well it has nothing to do with herbs and I didn't think it appropriate

to discuss his non-herbal theories on a herbal list. I will contact you off

list.



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Hi Folks,



I am looking for a workbook titled " A herbalist

medicine making workbook by Gilian Painter , Auckland,

New Zealand 1998. 



If anyone knows where I could get this book it would

appreciated a lot.



Thanks,

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