From drkelly.icdc.com Sun Sep 01 18:38:56 2002

To: "Herb List" <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: [Herb] The taste of myrrh.........

From: "Lynn Kelly, DC" <drkelly.icdc.com>

Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:38:56 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)



The taste of myrrh......... 



More on the taste of myrrh.........  My myrrh toothpaste is flavored with licorice root, peppermint oil, spearmint oil, star anise oil, menthol, sage, eucalyptus, geranium, lavender and clove.  Doesn't taste too bad once it's used a few times.       LK



From kchisholm.ca.inter.net Tue Sep 03 01:05:59 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Indian Pipe (Monotropa uniflora

From: Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm.ca.inter.net>

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:05:59 -0300



Dear List



There is a heavy flush of Indian Pipe in teh forest

near where I live, and I was wondering if there is a

good medicinal use for it.



I have done a Google Search, and find reference to use

for treating eye inflamations.



Would anyone have any suggestions on what it can be

used for, which parts are used, how they should be

prepared, and any contraindications.



Thanks!!



Kevin Chisholm



From multiflorum.hotmail.com Tue Sep 03 16:34:52 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Indian Pipe (Monotropa uniflora

From: "jim mcdonald" <multiflorum.hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 09:34:52 -0400



>There is a heavy flush of Indian Pipe in teh forest near where I live, and 

>I was wondering if there is a good medicinal use for it.



I've used Indian Pipe for a few years (3? 4?) as a "hypnotic" sedative

when treating fevers of the achey I-feel-like-I-fell-down-a-flight-of-

stairs variety, as I've read it was used in this manner.  Though I've

read the roots should be used in some sources, I used the above ground

portion, as when I was wildcrafting some other herbs a mountain bike

went whizzing by and somehow severed the stalks from the roots without

smushing them.  I figured it was a sign.



Everybody should, I think, at least tincture Indian Pipe once, because

the extract turns PURPLE.  It is so damn cool.



Anyways, basically, everytime I used it (maybe once or twice a year) it

was part of an "achey-fever" regimine that included Boneset tincture

throughout the day, tea made from Yarrow, Elder & Wild Bergamot to

induce "diaphoresis", and a combination of Blue Vervain & Indian Pipe

tincture, sometimes in Chamomile or Catnip tea, in the evenings to give

some ease to the aching and offer a restfull sleep.  Though I've had

excellent results doing this, I certainly can't say the Indian Pipe is

what did it, cuase the Blue Vervain is also indicated for these types

of ague-y fevers.



I'm unfamiliar with any toxicities or contraindications.  One of the

recipients of this treatment was myself, and I didn't notice anything

that would indicate toxicity, but then I felt like hell, and though I

did get a good nights sleep, I probably wasn't in the shape to make an

endorsement of efficacy.  David Winston includes it in a chart of

obscure herbs in his chapter in "Planting the Future" (edited by

Rosemary Gladstar).  I'm not sure exactly what he wrote, but I don't

think it was much more than I've said.



Again, make just a little batch, just to watch the alcohol turn purple.



From tmueller.bluegrass.net Thu Sep 05 18:57:22 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Indian Pipe (Monotropa uniflora

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller.bluegrass.net>

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:57:22 -0400 (EDT)



> There is a heavy flush of Indian Pipe in teh forest

> near where I live, and I was wondering if there is a

> good medicinal use for it.



> I have done a Google Search, and find reference to use

> for treating eye inflamations.



> Would anyone have any suggestions on what it can be

> used for, which parts are used, how they should be

> prepared, and any contraindications.



> Thanks!!



> Kevin Chisholm



All I know about the medicinal use of Indian pipe is what I see in John Lust's

Herb Book, copyright 1974.  Part used is the root: antispasmodic, nervine,

sedative, tonic, or, mixed with fennel seed, makes a good eyewash and vaginal

douche (according to John Lust).  John Lust suggests an infusion of 1 tsp 

Indian pipe root and 1 tsp fennel seeds, steeped 20 minutes and strained.  I

have no personal experience with Indian pipe or with any herbal eyewash.



From jclarke1.mn.rr.com Tue Sep 03 23:24:57 2002

To: "Herb.Lists. Ibiblio. Org" <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: [Herb] Fresh herbs in oil/salve

From: "Kerry & Jack" <jclarke1.mn.rr.com>

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:24:57 -0500



I'm trying my hand at some wonderful fresh SJW that was sent to me, and this

is the first time I've ever used fresh herbs in an oil. A couple hours after

I added the oil and sealed up the jar, I noticed condensation inside the

mouth of the jar, which kind of distressed me, as I'm envisioning the oil

teeming with bacteria. How much of the water will evaporate out when/if I

heat the oil to make it into a salve? Also, I've heard of people using

grapefruit seed extract as a preservative - does that really work, and does

anyone have an approximation as to what ratio? Are my fears irrational?



Kerry



From sarah.headology.co.uk Tue Sep 03 23:46:18 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: RE: [Herb] Fresh herbs in oil/salve

From: "Sarah Head" <sarah.headology.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:46:18 +0100



Hi Kerry



I wouldn't worry, the plant contains water so it may be some of that that

you have seen as the sun heats the jar (if you put it in the sun). I've made

the oil using the sun method for three years now and the oil has never gone

off.



While I was in Cornwall, I gathered some wild St John's Wort and stuffed the

flowering tops in a glass jar and covered with oil as I do with my plants at

home. After 3 weeks the oil hadn't changed colour at all, so tonight I have

heated it in a double boiler and it still isn't turning red, although it has

a slight tinge and smells fruity after 4 hours. Any ideas what may have

happened?



Sarah



From mterry.snet.net Wed Sep 04 01:41:32 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Fresh herbs in oil/salve

From: May Terry <mterry.snet.net>

Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 18:41:32 -0400



Sarah Head wrote:



> While I was in Cornwall, I gathered some wild St John's Wort and stuffed the

> flowering tops in a glass jar and covered with oil as I do with my plants at

> home. After 3 weeks the oil hadn't changed colour at all, so tonight I have

> heated it in a double boiler and it still isn't turning red, although it has

> a slight tinge and smells fruity after 4 hours. Any ideas what may have

> happened?



It can't be Hypericum perforatum.  Mine gets pretty pink within a day.



If you are ever in doubt about the species, squeeze a flower or bud.  You should

have an inky red fluid on your fingers.



May

--

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil

people doing evil things.  But for good people to do evil things, that takes

religion.  ---Steven Weinberg



From hetta.saunalahti.fi Wed Sep 04 18:56:54 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Fresh herbs in oil/salve

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:56:54 +0300



"Sarah Head" <sarah.headology.co.uk> wrote to <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>:



> While I was in Cornwall, I gathered some wild St John's Wort and stuffed the

> flowering tops in a glass jar and covered with oil as I do with my plants at

> home. After 3 weeks the oil hadn't changed colour at all, so tonight I have

> heated it in a double boiler and it still isn't turning red, although it has

> a slight tinge and smells fruity after 4 hours. Any ideas what may have

> happened?



SJW doesn't turn all that red if it's been drenched; it needs sun. So pick it

after a sunny spot, not after weeks and weeks of rain. And check for redness

before picking large amounts; SJW won't give you red fingers if you pick it late

in autumn, either.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

Henriette Kress                                          Helsinki, Finland

Over 30 MB herbal .html files (FAQs, classic texts, articles, links), plus

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From mwherbs.dshome.net Thu Sep 05 11:03:53 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: RE: [Herb] Fresh herbs in oil/salve

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs.dshome.net>

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:03:53 -0700



>

Sarah,  have you put the jar in full sun and left it for several 

days? While living in the northwest there were summers that did take 

a lot longer for the SJW to turn red because the wasn't a day of full 

sun to be had.  Here in Tucson 2 years ago when it was an unusually 

extra-rainy summer it took forever for the oil to turn red.

    I agree with Henriette that while picking it will stain your 

fingers purple-red if it is potent stuff.

     Also the kind of oil you use makes a difference in what color you 

will see in the end, when I use extra virgin olive oil it can be 

quite green and when mixed with the red of hypercium it is a bit more 

brown than if I were to use some yellow oil which usually turns out 

to make a very blood red oil- also in many of these oils there are so 

many solvents in them already that it will turn color just pouring 

the oil over the herb. ( now this is what I expect to see when using 

alcohol not what I want in an oil)



Sharon in Tucson

PS one other thing I have done is to put the plant material through a 

juicer re-covered it with oil, then put it in the sun and this can do 

the trick.



From carlton.midrivers.com Wed Sep 04 03:02:18 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] Fresh herbs in oil/salve --water

From: "Aliceann or Scott" <carlton.midrivers.com>

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:02:18 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time)



Hi Kerry,



Suggestion...don't seal up the oil.....place it in a warm place with

cheesecloth over it for several days.  You WILL have bacteria and anaerobic

bacteria at that if you seal fresh stuff up tight before it has a chance to

evaporate out moisture and be drawn into the oil.



Blessings,

AA

-------Original Message-------



Subject: [Herb] Fresh herbs in oil/salve



 A couple hours after

I added the oil and sealed up the jar, I noticed condensation inside the

mouth of the jar, which kind of distressed me, as I'm envisioning the oil

teeming with bacteria. How much of the water will evaporate out when/if I

heat the oil to make it into a salve? 



From mterry.snet.net Wed Sep 04 03:16:12 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Fresh herbs in oil/salve --water

From: May Terry <mterry.snet.net>

Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:16:12 -0400



Aliceann or Scott wrote:



> Suggestion...don't seal up the oil.....place it in a warm place with

> cheesecloth over it for several days.  You WILL have bacteria and anaerobic

> bacteria at that if you seal fresh stuff up tight before it has a chance to

> evaporate out moisture and be drawn into the oil.



I learned from Gail Ulrich to run a chopstick or similar thing down the side of

the jar and slowly move the top of the stick over to the other side of the jar

top.  When you do that, you'll move the plant material without agitating it,

and you'll see bubbles come to the top.  She taught our class to do that a

couple of times a day for one to two weeks, until you don't see bubbles anymore

(putting the lid on the jar between times).  Then when the oil is done, she

taught to let the freshly strained oil sit for a day and siphon out any water

in the bottom with a turkey baster, let sit again, and then finally decant the

oil off the top carefully, leaving behind any watery looking fluid in the

bottom.  When I do this, I don't have any molds or similar critters in the oil.



May

--

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil

people doing evil things.  But for good people to do evil things, that takes

religion.  ---Steven Weinberg



From plantpeople.triton.net Thu Sep 05 11:43:53 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re: St Johns oil

From: Joyce Wardwell <plantpeople.triton.net>

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 04:43:53 -0400



>While I was in Cornwall, I gathered some wild St John's Wort and >stuffed the flowering tops in a glass jar and covered with oil as I >do with my plants at home. After 3 weeks the oil hadn't changed >colour at all, so tonight I have heated it in a double boiler and it >still isn't turning red, although it has a slight tinge and smells >fruity after 4 hours. Any ideas what may have happened?

>Sarah



Would be my guess that either:

A.  You gatherd the St J's when it was forming seedpods rather than   flower buds, or

B  It was a very cloudy, cool and damp summer in Cornwall, or

C  The St J's you gathered was growing in a very shady location, or

D  A combination of the above



JoyceW

------------------------

Every great Oak Tree, was once just a nut, that stood its ground



From dblan.netusa1.net Thu Sep 05 17:27:36 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: [Herb] St. Johns wort

From: "GardenThyme Lady" <dblan.netusa1.net>

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:27:36 -0500



I've had two of my new St. John's Wort plants start to develop the "red" on

the leaves, similar to last year when they all got it and died.  I've pulled

these plants...not sure if I can go ahead and use them, maybe for oil?  I

planted a variety that was supposedly resistant to this "rust" stuff, and

put them far away from the area last years were planted.  I thought they

were doing great, and looked forward to flowers next year.  Could it be the

dry weather and the reduced sunshine?

I watered Thorouly yesterday, so hoping they don't all come down with it, if

that's what it is....any advise?  Are others having this problem?

Dee

"The Gardenthyme Lady"



From mikepjohnson7.yahoo.com Thu Sep 05 17:42:00 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Boosting Natural Killer Cell Levels

From: Mike Johnson <mikepjohnson7.yahoo.com>

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:42:00 -0700 (PDT)



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Will echinacea or astragalus or other herbs boost

natural killer cell levels and if so what dosages are

suggested? Thank you! Mike Johnson



From hkobayas.students.uiuc.edu Thu Sep 05 20:12:34 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Rust

From: hkobayas <hkobayas.students.uiuc.edu>

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:12:34 -0500



I may have mentioned this here, but it is not a "rust" disease. I do not hope 

I don't appear to be mean, but I honestly wish plant people use (more or less) 

correct disease name, etc. This is rather confusing because there really is a 

true "rust" disease for Hypericum.



<I've had two of my new St. John's Wort plants start to develop the "red" on

the leaves, similar to last year when they all got it and died.>



Didn't we discuss before? Or is this entirely different? Do you see any fungal 

structure underneath? If not, it is probably not a rust disease.



<I planted a variety that was supposedly resistant to this "rust" stuff>



I am sure it is not really a rust disease. Anthracnose, maybe? Try a Google 

search on anthracnose and and SJW if you haven't.



<and put them far away from the area last years were planted.>



Microorganisms can spread out easily by way of spores, etc.



<Could it be the dry weather and the reduced sunshine?>



Stress can surely affect plant growth. Just like it does to us.



Hideka



From wdsofedn.bellsouth.net Fri Sep 06 11:12:31 2002

To: <Herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: [Herb] SJW: harvest and hypericin?

From: myron <wdsofedn.bellsouth.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:12:31 +0900



> Also the kind of oil you use makes a difference in what color you

> will see in the end, when I use extra virgin olive oil it can be

> quite green and when mixed with the red of hypercium it is a bit more

> brown than if I were to use some yellow oil which usually turns out

> to make a very blood red oil- also in many of these oils there are so

> many solvents in them already that it will turn color just pouring

> the oil over the herb. ( now this is what I expect to see when using

> alcohol not what I want in an oil)

> 

> Sharon in Tucson



Are you suggesting what I believe you are?  Namely: using "some yellow oil"

other than Extra-virgin olive will have some manner of industrial solvents

added (for preservation, color,...solvency?)

rather than merely the solvents endemic to the oil itself?  What makes olive

oil such a preferred solvent? other than its far longer traditional use vs.

the yellow (vegetable) oils, I mean.



I remember harvesting SaintJohn's wort in superabundance around the Lo- Lo

pass.  Non stop hiking with two "saddlebags" on the hips for Miles!

Eventually, we came on a camp whereby the native campers were absolutely

terrified at the sight of "the blood" all over our hands and brow.  We

processed it the next day after the return hike through a meat grinder

strapped on the back of the truck and macerated directly into the olive oil.

And yes, this was in the Full Autumn sun as we laid it out on the hood at

each camp.  We did keep it unsealed in the beginning as well as decanting

off the initial water.  I will also note that neither of us developed any

phyto photodermatitis despite the elevation, massive hypericin exposure

(that's in the red stuff, right?), unrelenting sun, and at least one arm out

the window during drive time!  Oh yeah, and myself of fabled "black Irish"

stock.

That same oil after making some salve successfully got me off my Paxil (try

riding THAT rollercoaster)

after two previous attempts when I was concerned about "drug-herb

interactions"  I owe a great deal to those bags of bloody sun.

-- 

Myron Hardesty



-- 

Myron Hardesty

Clinical Herbalist



Weeds of Eden

1572 Bardstown Road

Louisville, KY  40205

(502) 456-9453 



From dblan.netusa1.net Fri Sep 06 17:48:42 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: [Herb] St. John's wort

From: "GardenThyme Lady" <dblan.netusa1.net>

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:48:42 -0500



okay, I got the mail working again.

I do consider myself a plant person, but I didn't go to Purdue or anywhere

like that, so unfortunately I don't know the correct disease names for all

the problems I see with my plants.  There is no fungus on my plants, just

the red leaves I mentioned before.  You say there really is a true "rust"

disease for Hypericum.  Can you elaborate on this, because I really do want

to be able to grow and use my own St. John's wort. If there is anything I

can do to save these plants I want to do it.

I'm definitely sure it's not Anthracnose after checking pictures of this

disease on the net.  I'll get some batteries in my camera and take a picture

of it.  Maybe it can be more readily identifiable that way.  It's is so

frustrating having my "babies" getting sick and not knowing what to do for

them.  And if this is a natural occurrence, I certainly don't want to pull

them up for nothing.



Dee

"The Gardenthyme Lady"

Kind words can be short and easy to speak, but their echoes are truly

endless."   ~  Mother Teresa



From mwherbs.dshome.net Fri Sep 06 22:29:40 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] St. John's wort

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs.dshome.net>

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:29:40 -0700



how many of the leaves are red? I have seen many wild plants that 

will have the lower leaves  on the main stalk that have changed color 

like some are red some are yellow and some are shriveled up and dead. 

just figured that these leaves were aged or that the stalk was 

getting woody so there wasn't the circulation to them, the rest of 

the plant usually looks very healthy.

sharon in tucson



From hkobayas.students.uiuc.edu Fri Sep 06 20:23:13 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Hypericum disease

From: hkobayas <hkobayas.students.uiuc.edu>

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:23:13 -0500



Dee,



I suggest you to consult somebody from extension or plant disease clinic. If 

plants are under stress (disease, too much light, etc), foliage may become 

reddish.



<I do consider myself a plant person, but I didn't go to Purdue or anywhere

like that, so unfortunately I don't know the correct disease names for all

the problems I see with my plants.>



If you consider yourself a "plant" person, I suggest you to get a good book on 

plant disease if you currently don't own one. It will not solve all the 

problems you encounter, but it should help you to better understand plant 

diseases.



I am interested in herbalism, but didn't go to a shcool for this. If I make a 

mistake, well, that's my mistake. I am just learning. It's same with you. In 

fact, you have had a plenty time to learn about plant diseases as a "plant 

person."



<There is no fungus on my plants, just the red leaves I mentioned before.>



See above. How can you be so sure there is no fungus? Fungi are everywhere!



<You say there really is a true "rust" disease for Hypericum.  Can you 

elaborate on this, because I really do want to be able to grow and use my own 

St. John's wort.>



Did you Google it? I think it was more of a problem for H. calycinum if I 

remember correctly. If you don't find one for Hypericum, look for Cedar-Apple 

Rust or something just to see how rust dieases look like. Then make your own 

conclusion if it really is a rust disease.



<I'm definitely sure it's not Anthracnose after checking pictures of this

disease on the net.>



Even a trained diagnostician may not be able to correctly identify diseases 

occasionally. How can you be so sure? From "Colletotrichum gloeosporioides 

(Penz.) Penz. & Sacc. f. sp. hypericum. fungal disease" 

(http://res2.agr.ca/lethbridge/weedbio/agents/acolglo.htm): "Reddish-colored 

St. John's wort seedlings indicate infection with C. g.-hypericum and the 

beginning of an epidemic." Besides, symptoms may look different because of 

different isolates of fungi, different cultivars, etc. Nothing is absolute.



<I'll get some batteries in my camera and take a picture of it.  Maybe it can 

be more readily identifiable that way.>



It is helpful, but not definate. I won't surely diagnose although I may give 

an opinion or two.



<It's is so frustrating having my "babies" getting sick and not knowing what 

to do for them.>



Then ask a plant disease diagnostician even if it may cost you some. Somebody 

at Purdue should be able to help you on this.



Hideka



From lakshmi.kingcon.com Sat Sep 07 01:58:50 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] SJW: oil types

From: "Michelle Morton-niyama" <lakshmi.kingcon.com>

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:58:50 -0400



 Are you suggesting what I believe you are?  Namely: using "some yellow oil"

> other than Extra-virgin olive will have some manner of industrial solvents

> added (for preservation, color,...solvency?)

> rather than merely the solvents endemic to the oil itself?  What makes

olive

> oil such a preferred solvent? other than its far longer traditional use

vs.

> the yellow (vegetable) oils, I mean.



Well- your commercial cooking oils in the grocery store in the US are mainly

solvent extracted with hexane, most likely, and yes some does remain in the

oil...even some olive oil is solvent extracted unless you use extra virgin

cold pressed. I use this for all my infused oils. It has a great shelf

life(years, really) and my SJW does look reddish brown, not blood red- even

though I double infuse, do water bath and sun!



Michelle



From hetta.saunalahti.fi Sat Sep 07 08:55:31 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] SJW: oil types

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 08:55:31 +0300



"Michelle Morton-niyama" <lakshmi.kingcon.com> wrote to

<herb.lists.ibiblio.org>:



> Well- your commercial cooking oils in the grocery store in the US are mainly

> solvent extracted with hexane, most likely, and yes some does remain in the

> oil...even some olive oil is solvent extracted unless you use extra virgin



Cold pressed, by definition, does not include solvents. 



I only use cold-pressed oils. I don't like olive, but sesame, safflower,

sunflower, and rapeseed are quite fine.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

Henriette Kress                                          Helsinki, Finland

Over 30 MB herbal .html files (FAQs, classic texts, articles, links), plus

pictures, zipped archives, the works, at:   http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed



From mwherbs.dshome.net Sat Sep 07 09:27:43 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re: SJW: harvest and hypericin?

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs.dshome.net>

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:27:43 -0700



Use to live in Orofino and have gathered stuff near Lolo. I am 

suggesting that solvents are used unless you buy virgin/cold pressed. 

Now unless I want to haul around the other oils the only one 

available at most groceries even in the back woods is EV olive oil. I 

also think that the "sun reaction" is an interesting but not true 

theory.

    sharon in tucson



From lakshmi.kingcon.com Sat Sep 07 16:50:12 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb]  oil types

From: "Michelle Morton-niyama" <lakshmi.kingcon.com>

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:50:12 -0400



> > Well- your commercial cooking oils in the grocery store in the US are

mainly

> > solvent extracted with hexane, most likely, and yes some does remain in

the

> > oil...even some olive oil is solvent extracted unless you use extra

virgin

>

> Cold pressed, by definition, does not include solvents.

>

Oh yes these oils are available cold pressed and in fine quality it is true!



But in the US- you probably have to go to a natural foods store to get them.



Last time i was in a big "grocery" store i saw all the usual solvent

extracted veg oils- not fit fir food use!



How do you find the shelf life of the c.p. oils , Henriette?

I do like sesame, too- and do use it sometimes.

I have been wary of safflower and sunflower thinking the shelf life was

shorter than olive...esp if you add a bit of jojoba to it.



thanks!

Michelle



btw- i am not seeing my own posts...?



From hetta.saunalahti.fi Sat Sep 07 17:06:31 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb]  oil types

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 17:06:31 +0300



"Michelle Morton-niyama" <lakshmi.kingcon.com> wrote:



> Oh yes these oils are available cold pressed and in fine quality it is true!

> 

> But in the US- you probably have to go to a natural foods store to get them.

> 

> Last time i was in a big "grocery" store i saw all the usual solvent

> extracted veg oils- not fit fir food use!



... and then there's the specialty shelf, the one with health foods. There I

find all kinds of things; among them, cold-pressed rapeseed oil, widely

available over here. 



Cold-pressed sesame, safflower, and sunflower I pick up in 5 liter cans from a

health food wholesaler. Some I have to special order, in which case I have to

buy 4 x 5 liters.



> How do you find the shelf life of the c.p. oils , Henriette?

> I do like sesame, too- and do use it sometimes.

> I have been wary of safflower and sunflower thinking the shelf life was

> shorter than olive...esp if you add a bit of jojoba to it.



Good shelf life - at least two years. That is, they haven't gone rancid on me

yet, nor have the salves I have made from them.



> btw- i am not seeing my own posts...?



http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/herb ; enter the email address you've

subscribed at the bottom of the form, press "edit options"

enter your list password, check 

  Receive posts you send to the list? 

  [X] Yes [ ] No. 

press "submit my changes".



"Yes" is on by default. Dunno what happened if you haven't changed it yourself.



Cheers

Henriette



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From cmaria.triton.net Sat Sep 07 20:45:11 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re: SJW/color

From: Christa-Maria <cmaria.triton.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:45:11 -0500



The brownish/red color might come from having used olive oil that is

more green in color and/or when it's picked too late..

The best SJW is made when one picks it early on, when most plants have

more buds than open flowers and during a nice hot dry spell.

C-M



From hetta.saunalahti.fi Sat Sep 07 20:12:11 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Re: SJW/color

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 20:12:11 +0300



Christa-Maria <cmaria.triton.net> wrote to herb.lists.ibiblio.org:



> The brownish/red color might come from having used olive oil that is

> more green in color and/or when it's picked too late..

> The best SJW is made when one picks it early on, when most plants have

> more buds than open flowers and during a nice hot dry spell.



With SJW, it's the darker the oil the better. And you'll find your dark brown

oil is quite red, if you look at it against a light (the sun is best, of course,

but any strong light will do). Really delightful.



Henriette



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From soapdoc.squeaky-clean.com Sun Sep 08 09:33:38 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Ferula Asafetida -- Source?

From: "Squeaky Clean...Naturally(tm)!" <soapdoc.squeaky-clean.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 02:33:38 -0400



Hi!



Can anyone tell me if this is available commercially anywhere? I would like 

to reproduce a hair balm that contains this plant, but I can't seem to find 

it anywhere.



Thank very much in advance!



Darlene



From carlton.midrivers.com Sun Sep 08 21:32:35 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] Ferula Asafetida -- Source?

From: "Aliceann or Scott" <carlton.midrivers.com>

Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:32:35 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time)



-------Original Message-------



From: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Date: Sunday, September 08, 2002 12:39:44 AM

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Ferula Asafetida -- Source?



Hi!



Can anyone tell me if this is available commercially anywhere? I would like 

to reproduce a hair balm that contains this plant, but I can't seem to find 

it anywhere.



Thank very much in advance!



Darlene



Hi Darlene...



You may make a hair balm out of this...it is pretty available through places

such as Bazaar of India (nci) and other natural food/asian food supply

outlets online.  I buy it here in eastern Montana through our local natural

food store.  Great stuff for cooking and digestive correction.  My question

is:  who would even want it clinging to hair or external body parts as the

smell would drive away those using it as well as anyone within 100 feet?!  I

keep mine double bagged and then in a sealed container to keep the odor from

permeating the house.  It sure is a good way to cut the gas effect of beans

(dried) when they are being cooked.  It's great for making papadum and many

other dishes...a small pinch goes a long way.



Please let us know if it is masked when used in a hair balm formula...and if

so...how?



Best Regards,

Aliceann



From aivelira.mail.ukans.edu Sun Sep 08 18:24:57 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Ferula assa-foetida  Syn.  Ferula foetida

From: aivelira <aivelira.mail.ukans.edu>

Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 10:24:57 -0500



Hello,



Although this plant is native to high plains of Iran and Afghanistan, it is 

alo found in Turkestan, Afghanistan, and Iran. It also grows wild in central 

United States. Not sure if you looking to purchase it or grow it yourself both 

are possible.



See this web site, and there are mant others. 

http://www.chatlink.com/~herbseed/Asafetida.html

"Herbaceous perennial.  Native to the high plains of Iran and Afghanistan.  

This is a giant, umbelliferous plant steeped in history and tradition.  To 

make the drug asafetida, the fleshy roots of mature plants are partially 

uncovered and then scored, yielding from the scarifications over time an 

oleo-fun-resin exudate which dries slowly on the root and is scraped off and 

collected.  Asafetida is a most pungent substance: once smelled, never 

forgotten.  Small quantities are used in the preparation of certain Indian and 

Persian dishes.  Medicinally, the resin is used in combination with laxatives, 

due to its remarkable antispasmodic and carminative effects.  The history of 

Asafetida in world trade is a story of adulteration.  The pure material rarely 

reaches the consumer without the addition clay, sand and stones to increase 

the weight (and cost).  Exudates from other plants of the Ferula genus (of 

which there are over 100 species found world-wide) have often erroneously 

supplied the drug of commerce.  We have been looking for a verified source for 

over a decade, and are quite pleased to have finally obtained this seed of the 

true plant which provides the "Food of the Gods."  Cultivation: Extra care.  

Erratic and multi-cycle germinator.  Sow in fall for germination in spring, or 

give 3 months cold, moist conditioning in the refrigerator before sowing in 

warm soil.  Outdoor nursery bed technique is highly recommended, as 

oscillating temperatures will enhance germination.  Following these 

instructions, we found the germination to be excellent and vigorous.  Thin or 

transplant seedlings to 3 feet apart.  Poor to regular garden soil.  Full sun.

 Flowers yellow, to 7 feet tall."



From waldpond.interbaun.com Mon Sep 09 22:00:47 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Ferula assa-foetida

From: Jim <waldpond.interbaun.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:00:47 -0600



>Can anyone tell me if this is available commercially anywhere? 



A resin type extract is used in East Indian cooking (don't know if it's from

this same species though?) - available in most East Indian groceries with a

reasonable spice selection.  But it is often mixed with other things like gum

arabic and/or a flour, so check the label carefully.



Jim 



From mt_turtle.email.com Tue Sep 10 02:00:40 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re:cervical dyplasia -  natural treatments?

From: "K B" <mt_turtle.email.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:00:40 +0900



Sorry to take so long to respond.  I have been busy and got waaaaaaay behind in my mail.



I usually use pretty much equal parts by weight of powdered herbs.  You can powder small amounts in an "Osterizer" type blender, but the barks & roots are a pain so get then ground if you can.   



Melt the cocoa butter and stir the powdered herbs in until it is the consistancy of soft mashed potatoes.  Roll into suppository shapes about the thickness of a pencil and about an inch and a half long.  



Use one nightly for three days (maintenance)to up to two weeks (hit-it-hard- before a retest therapy) at a time as needed.

I believe most abnormal tests are caused by viruses (and that they trigger most cancerous changes).  

HTH

KB



From multiflorum.hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 16:47:17 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Nasal Spray Bottles?

From: "jim mcdonald" <multiflorum.hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:47:17 -0400



I'm curious if anybody knows a source for nasal spray bottles.  I make

a wonderful Yerba Mansa spray for allergies & chronic sinusitis, but I

hate having to buy saline sprays from the drug store and clean out &

refill the bottles (not to mention getting those damn labels off).



Any leads?



From thosmer.dejazzd.com Wed Sep 11 01:55:50 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: RE: [Herb] Nasal Spray Bottles?

From: "Thomas F. Hosmer, Sr." <thosmer.dejazzd.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:55:50 -0400



Hope the following link helps:

http://www.pccarx.com/devicecat.asp

This should take you to the "Professional Compounding Centers of

America, Inc. (PCCA)" device index.  Look under "N" "Nasal Spray

bottles"

Hope this helps.

Question:

I have heard Native Americans have used this to treat urinary tract

infections any experience with this use?  My daughter has reoccurring

problems with this type of infection and would be interested in any

information.  Also just curious do you mix the herb in a saline solution

for the nasal spray?



P.S. New to the group but looking forward to learning and participating.

BTW if the link didn't work let me know I'll check around some more.

Tom

thosmer.dejazzd.com

-----Original Message-----

From: herb-admin.lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:herb-admin.lists.ibiblio.org]

On Behalf Of jim mcdonald

Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:47 AM

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Nasal Spray Bottles?



I'm curious if anybody knows a source for nasal spray bottles.  I make

a wonderful Yerba Mansa spray for allergies & chronic sinusitis, but I

hate having to buy saline sprays from the drug store and clean out &

refill the bottles (not to mention getting those damn labels off).



Any leads?



From multiflorum.hotmail.com Wed Sep 11 16:32:51 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: RE: [Herb] Nasal Spray Bottles?

From: "jim mcdonald" <multiflorum.hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:32:51 -0400



>I have heard Native Americans have used this to treat urinary tract 

>infections any experience with this use? My daughter has reoccurring 

>problems with this type of infection and would be interested in any 

>information. Also just curious do you mix the herb in a saline solution for 

>the nasal spray?



I got the recipe from an old volume of Ellingwood's Therapeutist,

which extolls its effects for "nasal catarrh": 5-30 drops Yerba Mansa

Tincture (I use 5) & 1 drahm Glycerine in a two ounce nasal atomizer,

the rest filled with distilled water; there's no salt in the recipe at

all.  You can check out the article at Michael Moore's site:

www.swsbm.com/Journals/Ellingwood3-4.pdf.  The spray works wonders, and

with only 5 drops in a bottle, really streches your tincture.  I

usually have people taking 7-15 drops as needed internally as well.

This herb has pretty much cured my wife's chronic sinusitis, though of

course nothing works for everybody.



I've never used Yerba Mansa for anything but sinus troubles, for which

it works great.  I have to have other people dig it for me (I live in

Michigan), and if I used it for everything it was good for, I probably

wouldn't have enough for any one person.



From walt.g0tuj.karoo.co.uk Tue Sep 10 19:47:58 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: [Herb] Re: Hawthorne Berry Grinders

From: "Walter Spencer" <walt.g0tuj.karoo.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:47:58 +0100



Hi! Anyone know of a farly cheap grinder capable of grinding Hawthorne

Berries? I have already wrecked a couple of Coffee Grinders as they are too

flimsy.  Any info on this subject would be most welcome. Thanks for reading.

All replies to my e-mail address will be answered. Best wishes Walt.

walt.g0tuj.karoo.co.uk



From honthaas.bigsky.net Tue Sep 10 22:23:49 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Re: Hawthorne Berry Grinders

From: Veronica Honthaas <honthaas.bigsky.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:23:49 -0600



>

>Hi! Anyone know of a farly cheap grinder capable of grinding Hawthorne

>Berries? I



I have had very good luck using an old blender......makes a nice, fine 

powder.

We have had a great crop of Hawthorn berries this year . I am gathering as 

much as time will allow.

How do you use yours? Veronica



From moon-daughters.juno.com Wed Sep 11 15:37:17 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] ticks and lyme question

From: nell & haley <moon-daughters.juno.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:37:17 -0400



My daughter got in to a nest of 'seed ticks'.  Before I realized they

were on her, she had well over 100 bites.  We have been able to control

the itch, and she is on the mend...  She has been taking a stong

echinachea with 1/4 goldenseal 3 or 4 times a day, just because that was

what occurred to me to do.

My research leads me to believe that at the stage the ticks were, disease

is not a high concern.  I am naturally still concerned. 

My question is about (natural) Lyme disease treatment.  I had a folder

once with Karan Vaughans protocol, among other advice.  That was a few

computer crashes ago.  

Feel free to e mail me off list with links or information;  although I

haven't seen this topic for a while, it could be of benifit to others.

Blessings, Nell



From hetta.saunalahti.fi Wed Sep 11 15:51:01 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] ticks and lyme question

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:51:01 +0300



nell & haley <moon-daughters.juno.com> wrote to herb.lists.ibiblio.org:



> My daughter got in to a nest of 'seed ticks'.  Before I realized they

> were on her, she had well over 100 bites.  We have been able to control

> the itch, and she is on the mend...  She has been taking a stong

> echinachea with 1/4 goldenseal 3 or 4 times a day, just because that was

> what occurred to me to do.

> My research leads me to believe that at the stage the ticks were, disease

> is not a high concern.  I am naturally still concerned. 



Ticks transmit lyme (if they carry it) only after a lengthy stay in the skin.

Less than 24 hours (12 hours?) should not be a problem.



At least, that's what I got told when I got bitten, a year or so ago. As I found

said tick the morning after a day-long hike in the woods, I took antibiotics.



Had I found it before going to bed the previous night I wouldn't have bothered

with meds.



However, as it was very difficult to get it out without good tools, I nowadays

carry tick pincers, whenever I'm in the woods. Less messy, less painful.



Cheers

Henriette



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From mterry.snet.net Wed Sep 11 16:14:06 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] ticks and lyme question

From: May Terry <mterry.snet.net>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:14:06 -0400



nell & haley wrote:



> My daughter got in to a nest of 'seed ticks'.  Before I realized they

> were on her, she had well over 100 bites.

> My research leads me to believe that at the stage the ticks were, disease

> is not a high concern.  I am naturally still concerned.

> My question is about (natural) Lyme disease treatment.  I had a folder

> once with Karan Vaughans protocol, among other advice.  That was a few

> computer crashes ago.



I hope all works out well with your daughter.  However, I live in East LYME,

Connecticut (that's right) and I've seen too many very serious and chronic

problems with Lyme not to say, *please* give your daughter the antibiotic if

she gets this disease.  Herbal and other adjuncts would I'm sure help.



May

--

Our separation from each other is an optical illusion of consciousness.

---Albert Einstein



From carlton.midrivers.com Wed Sep 11 16:19:40 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] ticks and lyme question

From: "Aliceann or Scott" <carlton.midrivers.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:19:40 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time)



Hi Nelle,



I grew up in tick country and still live in tick country.  I am unfamiliar

with "nests" of ticks.  Also, any ticks that ever climbed on me clung there

with their little mouthparts....so where a bite was a tick was.  Are you

saying you had to remove over 100 ticks from your daughter?  Please describe

the "seed ticks".  They come in many forms, and I have heard this term, but

never heard of bites without a tenaciously clinging tick no matter what the

lifestage. They move very slowly so you would have seen them on her.  Also,

itching is not a usual response to tick bites, at least not until they have

clung for a few days and started to swell up.  Could these biters have been

chiggers ( which burrow, or ants?  If they were ticks, then watching for

signs of Lyme disease and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever is warranted. I

wouldn't jump into antibiotics unless there is an indicator to take them,

but I am aware some docs think the prophylaxis is safer...if the exposure is

documented accurately.



Best Regards,

Aliceann



-------Original Message-------



Subject: [Herb] ticks and lyme question



My daughter got in to a nest of 'seed ticks'. Before I realized they

were on her, she had well over 100 bites.





From teragram.silcom.com Thu Sep 12 17:50:51 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: RE: [Herb] ticks and lyme question

From: "TeraGram" <teragram.silcom.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:50:51 -0700



> They come in many forms, and I have heard this term, 

> but never heard of bites without a tenaciously clinging 

> tick no matter what the lifestage.



Neither have I.



I suspect what the child had run into was chiggers.



- T.	



From multiflorum.hotmail.com Wed Sep 11 16:44:04 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] ticks and lyme question

From: "jim mcdonald" <multiflorum.hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:44:04 -0400



Matthew Wood's Book of Herbal Wisdom covers Lyme Disease under his

entry on Teasel... he uses really small doses: 1-3 drops, 1-3 times a

day.  May sound too unusually small to be effective (he prescribes

everything that way), but I know a guy in Ann Arbor who followed this

regimine and is pretty much all better after being really quite bad.

He used a few other things as he needed them, but felt the Teasel was

what did it for him.



I have yet to see a tick in here SE Michigan, even having spent so much

time bushwhacking through the woods.  We have our fair share of

Mosquitos here, but at least they don't want to live on you.  I feel

for all of you living in "Tick Country".



From macphee.net1plus.com Wed Sep 11 20:04:23 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] ticks and lyme question

From: "Joanie" <macphee.net1plus.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:04:23 -0400



Hi Nell...

I think I have Karen's and other writings on this.

Seed ticks are the 6 legged larvae, right? Tiny things. good images on this

Massachusetts site

http://www.lymehelp.org/Tick%20Photos.htm



As Henriette pointed out, current knowledge (and I get it from the county

forester) says that they need to be on you..actively biting you, for 24

hours before they are of high concern.  But when *I* get them they walk

around for hours before they bite (they walk *UP* so we arrange clothes at

night so that ticks on clothes get caught in the top as in the head of a

ghost Halloween costume hung on a chairpost)...but I only get bitten by the

more grown, 8 legged nymph and full grown sized ones...so..are you saying

that these bite right away?  That is strange..or are you saying that you did

not notice them for a long time?  The time thing is important.



Ticks in the northeast are hard enough to distinguish between as adults, I

suspect virtually impossible at this stage...so you probably cannot tell the

species.  I do not know if ticks are testable for presence of Lyme's at that

stage.



I am often bitten by ticks of one sort or another...and I believe I notice

them almost right away..they are never bloated from sucking my blood yet,

which is why I never take antibiotics.  My last bite was very painful, on a

sensitive area..sharp pains pulling on shirt.  I cannot imagine that any of

these could last on me 24 hours without me noticing.  I use propolis, in any

case, topically, whenever I get bit, but that is instinctual, I am not

recommending anyone else take it, as I have no rhyme or reason for it, other

than instinct.



Anyway, email me offline macphee.net1plus.com and I will send you Karen's

and other stuff from my old files.



I thought I had lyme once, because of the diagnostic bullseye around an old

bite, but never convinced because of lack of flu symptoms.  The infected

bite was cleaned out well with peroxide and other things, so it was likely

just a good old bacterial infection,,,not Lyme in any case.  If I thought a

tick could have lived on my body for 24 hours, I would have been nervous,

but I just could not believe it.  Joanie



From multiflorum.hotmail.com Thu Sep 12 21:20:15 2002

To: Herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] ticks and lyme question

From: "jim mcdonald" <multiflorum.hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:20:15 -0400



Nell, after thinking about it a bit I'm afraid there is a grave possibility 

that those were not ticks at all, rather, something much

more serious...



You might have COOTIES!



From GerstenbergerA.aol.com Thu Sep 19 07:10:07 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] ticks and lyme question

From: GerstenbergerA.aol.com

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:10:07 EDT



I also studied with Matthew, have made Teasel tincture, used it when I had a 

deer tick bite, and never got the "bull's eye" rash. Of course, I don't know 

if the tick carried Lyme's.  Gave away the rest of the tincture, though, and 

wish I had some to help with a long term case I just heard about. Does anyone 

know of a reliable source?

A note on tick removal. Put a generous drop of oil (olive, motor, or 

whatever's handy) on the tick. It will suffocate in 15 minutes or so. The 

dead tick is (only a little) easier to remove.

Ann G.



In a message dated 9/11/02 9:47:52 AM, multiflorum.hotmail.com writes:



>Matthew Wood's Book of Herbal Wisdom covers Lyme Disease under his

>entry on Teasel... he uses really small doses: 1-3 drops, 1-3 times a

>day.  May sound too unusually small to be effective (he prescribes

>everything that way), but I know a guy in Ann Arbor who followed this

>regimine and is pretty much all better after being really quite bad.

>He used a few other things as he needed them, but felt the Teasel was

>what did it for him.

>

>I have yet to see a tick in here SE Michigan, even having spent so much

>time bushwhacking through the woods.  We have our fair share of

>Mosquitos here, but at least they don't want to live on you.  I feel

>for all of you living in "Tick Country".



From multiflorum.hotmail.com Thu Sep 19 16:53:01 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] ticks and lyme question

From: "jim mcdonald" <multiflorum.hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:53:01 -0400



>Does anyone know of a reliable source for teasel extract?



The only place I know that carries Teasel tincture is Jean's Greens.

I know they use the fresh root, but am not sure if its a 1:2 or

"simpler's" tincture.



Their address is jeansgreens.com.



From paf.gbronline.com Wed Sep 11 19:29:53 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Lyme disease & Hawthorn berry grinders

From: paf <paf.gbronline.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:29:53 -0500



The current popular advice (that ticks can only transmit Lyme disease after

several hours' duration on the skin) didn't prove true for me or some

others.  However, one single dose of Doxycycline taken with 72 hrs of a

tickbite has proven to be effective in preventing Lyme disease.  Herbal

support is helpful duringb prolonged treatment, but one timely dose of

antibiotic will ward the whole serious disease  off.   As to the reference

to "seed ticks", don't take a chance.  An ounce of prevention......



Re: grinders  for hawthorn berries, I, too, have ruined 2 grinders on them

and would like  to know what other grinders have withstood these little

toughies.



Thanks, gang.

Anita



From multiflorum.hotmail.com Wed Sep 11 21:52:27 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Asters

From: "jim mcdonald" <multiflorum.hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:52:27 -0400



As Fall is beginning the Asters are coming into bloom, and I'm going to

be following up on some of the research I've done on various Aster

species.



Jim Duke's "Northeast Indian Medicinal Plants" and Kelly

Kindscher's "Medicinal Wild Plants of the Prairie" both cover the uses

of several species of Aster. The original account of the plant's use as

a nervine (roots) referenced by Cook & King's Dispensatories is from

Constantine Rafinesque's "Medical Flora", which is supposed to be

reissued Sept 2002 (check Amazon). Its sedative properties are

especially intriguing considering Cook's comment that "experience has

confirmed the brief account he (Rafinesque) gave of it". Both King's

and Cook's Dispensatories note that the plant deserves more attention.



There seems to be a universal reliance by Native American tribes on

burning the flowers and leaves that is interesting, the smoke being

used in Inipi Ceremonies, to revive the unconscious, to treat mental

illness, nosebleeds, headaches, congestion, for smudging and as an

additive to Kinnick kinnick smoking mixtures.



I went out today and picked several blossoms from a few varieties.  The

New England Aster far surpasses the others in scent and stickiness, and

seems the most promising.  I figure I'll try burning the flowers on hot

coals and see whether that offers anything of merit (maybe I'll hit

myself in the head later on to facilitate a headache before trying

this).  In the fall I'll gather the roots to check on the reputed

sedative properties (Heart Leaved Aster is cited, but I haven't seen

any to collect).



If anybody else is interested in learning more about and/or using this

plant, I'd love to be able to share notes and compare impressions.



From hetta.saunalahti.fi Thu Sep 12 16:06:27 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Current events

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:06:27 +0300



Very important happenings here lately:



The sunflowers are ripe, and attract swarms of sparrows and other small birds.

And larger birds; I was quite amused one morning, watching a black'n'white

magpie perch on one of the larger flowers. Unfortunately it flew off before I

could get a good picture.



We're still in a drought; this summer it has rained properly only twice; once

for a week or two around midsummer, and then we've had a good solid thunderstorm

at the end of July. 



So everything is going yellow (or even brown) far too soon, especially if it

grows on bedrock, with no possibilities for deep taproots. I weep for the trees,

seeing them all browned up (or gone pale pale yellow, for the aspens).



Glechoma hederacea for noice-induced tinnitus, okay, but it's all been a brown

crisp since July, so where would I get enough for a cuppa or two for a month or

two for each noise-induced tinnitus client? Students to the rescue; one will

hand me a largish paperbag filled with fresh Glechoma on Sunday. Hers has been

growing in a damp spot, so it's still quite green. Yay!



That reminds me, have to check what else I need, and order that. Berberis (or

Mahonia) and licorice, at least, I'm all out. 



Oh, on licorice: I got a plant! I've been searching for a few years, because

it's next to impossible to get to grow from seeds. Heh, said the herb farming

researchers up at the research station in Mikkeli, no trouble, you put it in

dirt, it sprouts, you plant it where you want it, what-do-you-mean _difficult_?

OTOH, there's seeds and there's seeds, they acceded. Some do diddly squat.

Anyway, they're not all that big on giving away live plants (they want to dry

them and weigh them, first, for their statistics), so that was no go. But a lady

who runs a herb garden on the shores of this distant land had managed to get a

few seeds to sprout, and had also managed to nurse the seedlings through their

first months. Now I have one of her plants. Yay her, yay me. Let's hope it

survives the winter; if it does, it'll spread far worse and far faster than any

mint. Yay, I go through _kilograms_ of dried licorice roots every year. And I

put it in the middle of the mints, of course.



We've had a lovely summer, really, and it's sad to see it end, but the nights

are rather cold, now, so I'll take in my lemongrass, and the lemon verbena, and

the scented geraniums, and perhaps even the Tagetes lucida, this week. And pick

the last of the Pycnanthemum, the Tanacetum balsamita, and whatever else is

still pickable.



Cheers

Henriette



-- 

Henriette Kress                                          Helsinki, Finland

Over 30 MB herbal .html files (FAQs, classic texts, articles, links), plus

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From moon-daughters.juno.com Thu Sep 12 20:39:51 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] : ticks and lyme question

From: nell & haley <moon-daughters.juno.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:39:51 -0400



Many have wondered if the bites were indeed chiggers... and I wish they

were!   But from the close ups that I found on line of chiggers, the

shape is not chigger, it is tick.  And they were attached in the same way

as a mature (or more visible) tick.  They were clinging, but not to all

of the bite sites.  

I mentioned to Aliceann (off list) that if I had not pulled the vermin

off myself and looked at them with a magnifier, I would have ID'd the

itchy spots as Chicken Pox.



Joanie asked~ ..so..are you saying

that these bite right away?  That is strange..or are you saying that you

did

not notice them for a long time?  The time thing is important.



It was the next day that I noticed the bites.  I am still kicking myself

for not bathing her before bed....it was just such a long day.  So from

the afternoon (4ish) to the next am (8ish) was when most all of this all

happened.  Well, and continued to happen.  I pulled what I presume was

the last off 2 days ago.  Even though they are small, they did not seem

to have the bloat that 'normal' ticks do when attached as long as they

like.



Anyway, I have been given lots of terrific information, thoughts and

leads, and yes Joanie, I will still like Karen's and any other protocol,

please.



Thank you everyone!!

Nell



From joanr.shaw.ca Thu Sep 12 21:04:27 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] re: Current Events

From: Joan <joanr.shaw.ca>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:04:27 -0700



> On Thursday, September 12, 2002, at 06:06 AM, Henriette Kress wrote:



> But a lady who runs a herb garden on the shores of this distant land 

> had managed to get a

> few seeds to sprout, and had also managed to nurse the seedlings 

> through their

> first months. Now I have one of her plants. Yay her, yay me. Let's hope 

> it

> survives the winter; if it does, it'll spread far worse and far faster 

> than any

> mint. Yay, I go through _kilograms_ of dried licorice roots every year. 

> And I

> put it in the middle of the mints, of course.



Hi, Henriette.  I managed to get about 6 seeds to sprout a few years ago 

and they are growing well - the true licorice and the chinese licorice.  

I haven't harvested any of the roots yet but the stems are huge.  I have 

left them to themsleves with no extra water (except once this summer) or 

fertilizer so figure the roots will be strong.  This year for the first 

year I have found seeds on these plants.  They look like small red  pea 

pods.  I am planning on trying to germinate some of these seeds now and 

in the spring.  Wish me luck!  Interesting plant and one that my garden 

tour visitors usually haven't seen before.



Joan

My Country Garden

http://www.mycountrygarden.net



From hetta.saunalahti.fi Fri Sep 13 06:47:04 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] ADMIN: list reply-to fixed

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:47:04 +0300



The reply-to for this list was set to herb.ibiblio.org for a short while.

Therefore, replies to this list bounced (but not always. Strange.).



Anyway, reply-to is now back to its normal self, at herb.lists.ibiblio.org.



Thanks to Kevin Chisholm for letting me know there's a problem!



Cheers

Henriette, listowner.



-- 

Henriette Kress                                          Helsinki, Finland

Over 30 MB herbal .html files (FAQs, classic texts, articles, links), plus

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From jclarke1.mn.rr.com Fri Sep 13 08:07:30 2002

To: "Herb.Lists. Ibiblio. Org" <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: [Herb] Smoking Hypericum?

From: "Kerry & Jack" <jclarke1.mn.rr.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:07:30 -0500



I'm wondering if anyone knows if inhaling the smoke of hypericum would help

prevent or decrease scar tissue of the lungs? Would the systemic use of

hypericum (via tincture) be beneficial in something like this? I'm trying to

offer suggestions to someone who was just diagnosed with pulmonary fibrosis

and is looking for some herbal alternatives to allopathic meds.



Kerry



From herbgatherer.hotmail.com Fri Sep 13 17:36:33 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: [Herb] Re:  Current evemts

From: "Pamela Quayle" <herbgatherer.hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:36:33 -0400



Here's one that bounced yesterday -



> Very important happenings here lately:



Your description of the things happening in the garden and the year's

weather in Finland could have been written about us here in Connecticut.

Last night a very strong wind was whipping the tops of those dry trees - the

oaks particularly giving off tips of their branches from drought.  It's so

hard to watch.  I understand in northern New York state, where they didn't

get the lovely soaking rain we had about a week ago that some of the tall

trees are just falling over.



The gold finches are the main entertainment in my garden, flying from the

silphium where they not only get seeds, but water caught in the cups formed

by the leaves.  Then they hop over the the Agastache for the second course.

So pretty.



Do you use the Pycanthemum?  Which species do you grow and use?  I have it

in the garden and admire the strong mint scent as well as the flowers, but

haven't used it.  Does it keep well dried?



Pamela



From hetta.saunalahti.fi Sat Sep 14 22:02:05 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Re:  Current evemts

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:02:05 +0300



"Pamela Quayle" <herbgatherer.hotmail.com> wrote to <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>:



> Do you use the Pycanthemum?  Which species do you grow and use?  I have it

> in the garden and admire the strong mint scent as well as the flowers, but

> haven't used it.  Does it keep well dried?



I have Pycnanthemum pilosum, a tallish white-flowered late bloomer with a

delightful scent to leaf and flower (and later on, dried seedhead - even into

spring!), and Pycnanthemum tenuifolium, a smaller white-flowered late summer

flowerer. Both end up, dried, in the same glass jar. If I had more species

they'd go in that same jar. Yes, they keep well. Very easy to grow; either put

in some seeds, or plant a bit of root with some greens attached. P. pilosum is a

strikingly abundant flowerer, it gathers bees and such long after the mints are

all done for the summer.



I like their taste in teas - the scent gives the taste. They're your

run-of-the-mill mint-family anti-inflammatories; King's mentions them as "basil"

or "wild basil", but I call them "mountain mints".

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/pycnanthemum.html



Other interesting plants this year; I have a Physostegia virginiana, an autumn

bloomer, but it's all over the hill already, while the Pycnanthemum is still

going strong. Just googled for the English name - "Obedient plant"?? Weird.

"Pink false dragonhead", yes, that I'll agree with. It's a tea plant, even if

mine isn't big enough yet.



Another first year plant in my garden is the balmony or turtlehead, (Chelone

obliqua), pretty pretty. It's a scroph (= Scrophulariaceae).



Cheers

Henriette (I've asked ibiblio about the reply-to; let's hope they fix it soon.

Until then, please put herb.lists.ibiblio.org into the "to" field. Thanks.)



-- 

Henriette Kress                                          Helsinki, Finland

Over 30 MB herbal .html files (FAQs, classic texts, articles, links), plus

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From keithhubb.yahoo.com Fri Sep 13 20:42:36 2002

To: Herb email list <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: [Herb] Nail Fungus

From: keith hubbard <keithhubb.yahoo.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:42:36 -0700 (PDT)



Hi Folks,



Has anyone out there had success treating nail fungus?

I have tried Dmso and tea tree along with Thyme,

Usena, Black walnut (kitchen sink) added for months

with little success.



Thanks for any help,

Keith Hubbard C.H.



From Cha123chi.aol.com Sat Sep 14 10:30:34 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Nail Fungus

From: Cha123chi.aol.com

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:30:34 EDT



Hello, Keith



Tea tree oil neat has for a long time been my saving grace, ...



BUT ... turns out that VICK'S VAPO RUB does the same great stuff !!



Either way you've got a strong lingering aroma, but Vicks is more easily 

available.



Much luck!  Susi



From granwell.surferz.net Sat Sep 14 15:55:04 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] Nail Fungus

From: "Anne Granwell" <granwell.surferz.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:55:04 -0400



how do you vick's vaporub to combat nail fungus?



(c)(c) from the desk of Anne Granwell

----- Original Message -----

From: <Cha123chi.aol.com>

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 3:30 AM

Subject: Re: [Herb] Nail Fungus



From HerbalSW.aol.com Sat Sep 14 14:32:44 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Nail Fungus

From: HerbalSW.aol.com

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 07:32:44 EDT



neem tincture or oil may help with the nail fungus



Catherine M. Wood, LCSW, CADC, ADS

Eagle Spirit Healing Center

Where Your Spirit Learns To Soar

www.eaglespirithealingcenter.com



From Cha123chi.aol.com Sun Sep 15 11:19:11 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Nail Fungus

From: Cha123chi.aol.com

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 04:19:11 EDT



<< how do you vick's vaporub to combat nail fungus? >>



Simply rub it onto your nail(s).  You can use your fingers or a swab.  Just 

rub it on & around the immediate area of the affected nail.



Once a day seems to do it, but there's bound to be the unique case that 

warrants more than a single application a day.



BTW, this "remedy" came to light through the syndicated "Dr. Gott" column in 

the U.S. newspapers.  He basically said that this stuff WORKS even though 

"they" can't really figure out why.  [pseudo quote]  "Maybe the camphor, 

maybe a combination of ingrediants ???"



All I know is that, independently, both the Tea Tree Oil or the Vick's Vapo 

Rub work on my particular situation.



All the best to you,

Susi



From leppihalme.quartal.com Mon Sep 16 08:53:59 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: RE: [Herb] Nail Fungus

From: "Leppihalme, Miikkali" <leppihalme.quartal.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:53:59 +0300



Anne Granwell:

> how do you vick's vaporub to combat nail fungus?



Yeah! And what's the Latin name for that herb? I've never heard about an herb called "vick's vaporub". Must be one of those exotic jungle things that they import.



Miikkali



From ilhamdolilah.yahoo.fr Mon Sep 16 17:39:46 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: RE: [Herb] Nail Fungus

From: "Nadia B." <ilhamdolilah.yahoo.fr>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:39:46 +0300



Camphor



At 08:53  16/09/2002, you wrote:



>Anne Granwell:

> > how do you vick's vaporub to combat nail fungus?

>

>Yeah! And what's the Latin name for that herb? I've never heard about an 

>herb called "vick's vaporub". Must be one of those exotic jungle things 

>that they import.



From SmallShipCruises.worldnet.att.net Mon Sep 16 16:24:58 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] Nail Fungus

From: "Robert Linde" <SmallShipCruises.worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:24:58 -0300



or I have a "vicks plant" some strange hybrid i'm sure but smells just like

vicks. I think it is some how related to horehound, at least the plant looks

similar....

bob

----- Original Message -----

From: "Nadia B." <ilhamdolilah.yahoo.fr>

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:39 AM

Subject: RE: [Herb] Nail Fungus



Camphor



At 08:53  16/09/2002, you wrote:



>Anne Granwell:

> > how do you vick's vaporub to combat nail fungus?

>

>Yeah! And what's the Latin name for that herb? I've never heard about an

>herb called "vick's vaporub". Must be one of those exotic jungle things

>that they import.

>

>Miikkali



From Cha123chi.aol.com Tue Sep 17 08:31:59 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Nail Fungus

From: Cha123chi.aol.com

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:31:59 EDT



[Sorry Henriette!  Let's try this again hopefully withOUT "html" kicking in 

... had a friend over this weekend that used my computer & must have made AOL 

reset to allow the bugger through.  Sorry, again!  Here's hoping we're back 

to "normal".]



<< how do you vick's vaporub to combat nail fungus? >>



Simply rub it onto your nail(s).  You can use your fingers or a swab.  Just 

rub it on & around the immediate area of the affected nail.



Once a day seems to do it, but there's bound to be the unique case that 

warrants more than a single application a day.



BTW, this "remedy" came to light through the syndicated "Dr. Gott" column in 

the U.S. newspapers.  He basically said that this stuff WORKS even though 

"they" can't really figure out why.  [pseudo quote]  "Maybe the camphor, 

maybe a combination of ingrediants ???"



All I know is that, independently, both the Tea Tree Oil or the Vick's Vapo 

Rub work on my particular situation.



All the best to you,

Susi



From herbgatherer.hotmail.com Sun Sep 15 03:17:34 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: [Herb] Re: Current evemts

From: "Pamela Quayle" <herbgatherer.hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 20:17:34 -0400



> I have Pycnanthemum pilosum, a tallish white-flowered late bloomer with a

> delightful scent to leaf and flower (and later on, dried seedhead - even

into

> spring!), and Pycnanthemum tenuifolium, a smaller white-flowered late

summer

> flowerer. Both end up, dried, in the same glass jar.



I grow P. tenuifolium and P. muticum.  After looking at your picture of P

pilosum I'll be looking to add it to the garden.  I highly recommend P.

muticum which seems to have similar habit to your description and the

picture of P. pilosum.  It attracts so many different types of bees and

wasps - many I've never seen before.  I'll be picking some tomorrow to dry

for tea.  They were planted originally for the insects - and because they

are eastern US natives.



> Other interesting plants this year; I have a Physostegia virginiana, an

autumn

> bloomer, but it's all over the hill already, while the Pycnanthemum is

still

> going strong. Just googled for the English name - "Obedient plant"??

Weird.



I think the blossom looks like it was designed by an engineer rather than

Mother Nature - maybe that's the 'obedient'?  I do remember reading

something about them retaining shape when twisted for arranging - or

something like that.

>

> Another first year plant in my garden is the balmony or turtlehead,

(Chelone

> obliqua), pretty pretty. It's a scroph (= Scrophulariaceae).



This year the Lobelia syphilitica has reseeded itself thickly around my

clump of Chelone lyonii.  Not only are they blooming together and gorgeous,

but the Lobelia protects the Chelone from the deer which have ravaged it

other years.  It continues to amaze me how nature provides.  We have 25 deer

per square mile, maybe more since that count.  Pycanthemums also help

protect my sunflowers and mallows from the deer.



All of the above are native for us.  Do any of these genera originate over

there?



Pamela



From cmaria.triton.net Sun Sep 15 06:21:00 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re: Toefungus

From: Christa-Maria <cmaria.triton.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:21:00 -0500



If you do not treat or ditch your shoes and socks, you will reinfect

your self...

C-M



From Cha123chi.aol.com Sun Sep 15 11:29:03 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Re: Toefungus

From: Cha123chi.aol.com

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 04:29:03 EDT



<< If you do not treat or ditch your shoes and socks, you will reinfect

your self...

C-M >>



AMEN !!!   Seriously listen to this one ... no kidding!



Susi



From nh-adapt.juno.com Mon Sep 16 15:56:44 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Aroma therapy and pregnancy

From: Thomas Cagle <nh-adapt.juno.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:56:44 -0400



Good morning list,



I never ever try to doctor. I am a gardener by nature. I have had a

grandmother-to-be ask for an "oil" made of sweet grass, 

Hierochloe odorata for aroma-therapy to use not on the new mom but to be

warmed for its scent. I am utterly out of my depth. When you mix

pregnancy and herbs (a condition I am never to experience

directly-pregnancy that is) all I could do is encourage them to seek the

advice of her doctor. 



If this sounds reasonably safe to you all, how should I go about making

this sort of oil from dried sweet grass?



I have dried Echinacea purpurea, purple cone flower and given it way to

others (I don't take it myself), is this something a new mom should take?

Does anyone have portioning advice?



Thanks for any help you can give

Tom Cagle



From jclarke1.mn.rr.com Mon Sep 16 16:22:02 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: RE: [Herb] Aroma therapy and pregnancy

From: "Kerry & Jack" <jclarke1.mn.rr.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:22:02 -0500



Do you actually have the equipment to make essential oils? Unless you do,

all you make is an infused oil (which I imagine should be safe for external

use since it's not so dilute and concentrated). But that's not the same

thing as an essential oil used for aromatherapy.



Kerry



-----Original Message-----

I have had a

grandmother-to-be ask for an "oil" made of sweet grass,

Hierochloe odorata for aroma-therapy to use not on the new mom but to be

warmed for its scent.

If this sounds reasonably safe to you all, how should I go about making

this sort of oil from dried sweet grass?



I have dried Echinacea purpurea, purple cone flower and given it way to

others (I don't take it myself), is this something a new mom should take?

Does anyone have portioning advice?



From ilhamdolilah.yahoo.fr Mon Sep 16 18:36:12 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] camphor and other things

From: Nadia B <ilhamdolilah.yahoo.fr>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:36:12 +0200 (CEST)



I'm still willing to put my money on the fact that it

is likely camphor. There is no such thing as a "vicks

plant" and Vicks gets it's pungeant odor from camphor.



Here is a little extra info-camphor is an

ANaphrodisiac..which can be a good or bad

thing-depending on how you look at it.



Nadia



 --- Robert Linde <SmallShipCruises.worldnet.att.net>

a crit : > or I have a "vicks plant" some strange

hybrid i'm

> sure but smells just like

> vicks. I think it is some how related to horehound,

> at least the plant looks

> similar....



From elementalclay.webtv.net Mon Sep 16 19:15:22 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] camphor and other things

From: elementalclay.webtv.net (Roxanne Brown)

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:15:22 -0500 (CDT)



Plectranthes tomentosa is known as the vicks plant.

Roxanne



Roxanne J. Brown

Elemental Clay

http://www.cloudnet.com/~elemclay/

"One does not learn by speaking"



From elementalclay.webtv.net Mon Sep 16 19:34:20 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] camphor and other things

From: elementalclay.webtv.net (Roxanne Brown)

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:34:20 -0500 (CDT)



Sorry, can't spell today.  Plectranthus tomentosa is known as the vicks

plant.

Roxanne



Roxanne J. Brown

Elemental Clay

http://www.cloudnet.com/~elemclay/

"One does not learn by speaking"



From leppihalme.quartal.com Tue Sep 17 09:03:37 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: RE: [Herb] camphor and other things

From: "Leppihalme, Miikkali" <leppihalme.quartal.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:03:37 +0300



Nadia:

> Vicks gets it's pungeant odor from camphor.



So has anyone tried Tiger Balm for nail fungus? Both the white and red varieties have lots of camphor in them.



Miikkali



From kchisholm.ca.inter.net Tue Sep 17 15:00:27 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] camphor and other things

From: Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm.ca.inter.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:00:27 -0300



Dear Miikkali



"Leppihalme, Miikkali" wrote:

 

..del...

 

> So has anyone tried Tiger Balm for nail fungus? Both the white and red varieties have lots of camphor in them.

 

> Miikkali



It may be that teh camphor is killing the fungus OR it

may simply be that the Vaseline base of the Vicks

Vaporub is simply suffocating the fungus. Note also

that there is something else in addition to camphor and

Vaseline in Vicks.... I can remember as a kid that teh

Vicks on a bowl of hot water would "skin over" after

the water had cooled.



Is there a way to apply Tiger Balm, without introducing

a smothering mechanism?



Kindest regards,



Kevin Chisholm



From ngbard.juno.com Tue Sep 17 20:57:19 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] camphor and other things

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard.juno.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:57:19 -0400



On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:03:37 +0300 "Leppihalme, Miikkali"

<leppihalme.quartal.com> writes:

> Nadia:

> > Vicks gets it's pungeant odor from camphor.

Marcia:Menthol also helps the Vicks odor.

> 

> So has anyone tried Tiger Balm for nail fungus? Both the white and 

> red varieties have lots of camphor in them.

> 

> Miikkali



Marcia: probably couldn't hurt .  You might mix a tiny batch in a bottle

cap with teensies of essential oils of thyme or thuja or oil of oregano

and maybe cream into it a tiny amount of salt and use a cotton swab or a

glove protected finger to pack it under the nail and rub it into the

cuticle.



Good luck,

Marcia



From hkobayas.students.uiuc.edu Mon Sep 16 20:38:30 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Vicks Plants/camphor

From: hkobayas <hkobayas.students.uiuc.edu>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:38:30 -0500



<There is no such thing as a "vicks plant" and Vicks gets it's pungeant odor

from camphor.>



I think I have seen plants marketed as smelling like Vicks in catalogue

(either Richter or Horizon). So there is a such thing as a "vicks lant" in a

way.



<Here is a little extra info-camphor is an ANaphrodisiac..which can be a good

or bad thing-depending on how you look at it.>



I know camphor essential oil is used in many commercial products, but I have

seen comments that it is not recommended for aromatherapy. Maybe it is not

safe for aromatherapy, but ok otherwise?



Hideka



From ilhamdolilah.yahoo.fr Mon Sep 16 21:37:15 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re: [RPLIST] Bilberry-glaucoma

From: "Nadia B." <ilhamdolilah.yahoo.fr>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:37:15 +0300



Retinal degeneration discussion list

At 05:43  16/09/2002, you wrote:



>Hello girish and others:

>

>Atropine is used to dilate the pupils (the natural form, made from the

>digitalis plant is also called Belladonna, because Italian women 500

>years ago used it to make their eyeslook more seductive --

>apparently Italian men back then needed that type of

>encouragement).

>

>Anyway, if a person with mild (sub-clinical) high pressure inside the

>eye uses atropine, the widening of the pupil can block the outflow of

>fluid from the eye through the little channels near the edge of the

>cornea, and this can lead to much higher eye pressure and damage

>to the nerve fibers in the back of the eye:  glaucoma.

>

>BTW, I have never heard that bilberry contains atropine, and have

>found no links between bilberry and glaucoma, or bilberry and

>atropine, in Medline.  So I doubt that this problem is of any

>significance.

>

>Hope this helps,

>

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From hetta.saunalahti.fi Tue Sep 17 07:15:13 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Re: [RPLIST] Bilberry-glaucoma

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:15:13 +0300



"Nadia B." <ilhamdolilah.yahoo.fr> wrote to herb.lists.ibiblio.org:



> Retinal degeneration discussion list



> >Atropine is used to dilate the pupils (the natural form, made from the

> >digitalis plant is also called Belladonna, because Italian women 500

> >years ago used it to make their eyeslook more seductive --

> >apparently Italian men back then needed that type of

> >encouragement).



Atropine comes from Atropa belladonna, the belladonna plant. 

Some heart glycosides used by doctors come from Digitalis purpurea, foxglove.

Foxglove contains _no_ atropine.



Both belladonna and foxglove are deadly, as are their single constituents as

used by doctors.



> >BTW, I have never heard that bilberry contains atropine, and have

> >found no links between bilberry and glaucoma, or bilberry and

> >atropine, in Medline.  So I doubt that this problem is of any

> >significance.



Bilberry is completely nontoxic; it does not contain atropine. It's simply

loaded with flavonoids, which is why it's good for your eyes.



Henriette



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From nh-adapt.juno.com Tue Sep 17 03:47:31 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re: sweet grass as an infused oil

From: Thomas Cagle <nh-adapt.juno.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:47:31 -0400



Kerry or Jack,



Presume I am just as dumb as an oak plank, and have no specialized tools.

I do make my own tinctures and have canned for many years. Plus, I only

have dried sweet grass to use at this time. What should I do with it?



Thank you for being patient with someone out of his depth

Tom C



> Message: 3

> From: "Kerry & Jack" <jclarke1.mn.rr.com>

> To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

> Subject: RE: [Herb] Aroma therapy and pregnancy



> 

> Do you actually have the equipment to make essential oils? Unless 

> you do, all you make is an infused oil (which I imagine should be

> safe for external use since it's not so dilute and concentrated). But

> that's not the same thing as an essential oil used for aromatherapy.

> 

> Kerry

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> I've had a

> grandmother-to-be ask for an "oil" made of sweet grass,

> Hierochloe odorata for aroma-therapy to use not on the new mom but 

> (the oil) to be warmed for its scent.



From mterry.snet.net Tue Sep 17 05:14:43 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Re: sweet grass as an infused oil

From: May Terry <mterry.snet.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:14:43 -0400



Thomas Cagle wrote:



> Presume I am just as dumb as an oak plank, and have no specialized tools.

> I do make my own tinctures and have canned for many years. Plus, I only

> have dried sweet grass to use at this time. What should I do with it?



Burn it to call down good spirits %>)  I doubt that you can get much of a

scented oil by infusing it.  A company that has a table at the Mashantucket

Pequots 'Schemitzun' (Festival of Corn, really more like a huge, expensive,

high-class flea market for patrons of their Foxwoods Casino) sells what they

say is sweetgrass EO.  Their name is Escentials (NCO).  They have a website

under construction, and otherwise I don't know how to get a hold of them, but

a Google search turned up a number of companies selling the essential oil, as

well as fragrance oil.



Whenever I go to a powwow and get a nice green sweetgrass braid, I walk

around for the rest of the day sniffing it.  People probably think I'm nuts,

but it's the most wonderful smell on earth.



By the way, Tom, my computer had crashed and so I lost your email address.

Next spring, I'd be happy to send you some shepherd's purse seeds.  They were

long gone when you asked about them.



May

--

Our separation from each other is an optical illusion of consciousness.

---Albert Einstein



From jclarke1.mn.rr.com Tue Sep 17 05:26:23 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: RE: [Herb] Re: sweet grass as an infused oil

From: "Kerry & Jack" <jclarke1.mn.rr.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:26:23 -0500



Maybe someone else can chime in here, because I'm afraid I'm not going to be

much help. I've never heard of Hierochloe odorata and have no idea what it's

used for; thus, cannot give you any suggestions on what to do with it.



Kerry



-----Original Message-----

Kerry or Jack,



Presume I am just as dumb as an oak plank, and have no specialized tools.

I do make my own tinctures and have canned for many years. Plus, I only

have dried sweet grass to use at this time. What should I do with it?



> Message: 3

> From: "Kerry & Jack" <jclarke1.mn.rr.com>

>

> Do you actually have the equipment to make essential oils? Unless

> you do, all you make is an infused oil (which I imagine should be

> safe for external use since it's not so dilute and concentrated). But

> that's not the same thing as an essential oil used for aromatherapy.

>

> Kerry

>

> -----Original Message-----

> I've had a

> grandmother-to-be ask for an "oil" made of sweet grass,

> Hierochloe odorata for aroma-therapy to use not on the new mom but

> (the oil) to be warmed for its scent.



From under-the-bridge.juno.com Tue Sep 17 09:41:28 2002

To: nh-adapt.juno.com

Subject: [Herb] Re: sweet grass as an infused oil

From: under-the-bridge.juno.com

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:41:28 -0700



Hi everyone, Im the granmother-to-be. Tom has been including me on the

emails.



Here is where I stand. I know how to make tinctures, infusions etc.

Having the blessing of an old native grandmother. However, since she is

passed and none of my new books make reference to Sweet grass. 

The question actually is, sweet grass safe for pregnancy.

The question came about when my daughter and I attended pow-wow in

sanborton recently. Everywhere she walked she kept smelling it and wanted

to know if I could make something she could use while she is in labor and

delivery in March. Ahh, just like having a spring lamb! Anyhow, we

brought a braid home and it is hanging in her room. The we visit Tom who

also has some and made me again go back to the question. Does anyone know

if it is safe to use during pregnancy as aromatherapy?



Thanks for all your efforts Tom and group.



On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:47:31 -0400 Thomas Cagle <nh-adapt.juno.com>

writes:

> Kerry or Jack,

> 

> Presume I am just as dumb as an oak plank, and have no specialized 

> tools. I do make my own tinctures and have canned for many years. 

> Plus, I only have dried sweet grass to use at this time. What should 

> I do with it?

> 

> Thank you for being patient with someone out of his depth

> Tom C

> 

> 

> 

> > Message: 3

> > From: "Kerry & Jack" <jclarke1.mn.rr.com>

> > To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

> > Subject: RE: [Herb] Aroma therapy and pregnancy

> 

> > 

> > Do you actually have the equipment to make essential oils? Unless 

> 

> > you do, all you make is an infused oil (which I imagine should be

> > safe for external use since it's not so dilute and concentrated). 

> But

> > that's not the same thing as an essential oil used for 

> aromatherapy.

> > 

> > Kerry

> > 

> > -----Original Message-----

> > I've had a

> > grandmother-to-be ask for an "oil" made of sweet grass,

> > Hierochloe odorata for aroma-therapy to use not on the new mom but 

> 

> > (the oil) to be warmed for its scent.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 



From mwherbs.dshome.net Tue Sep 17 19:07:51 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re: sweet grass as an infused oil

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs.dshome.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:07:51 -0700



  I attend homebirths and  we have seen this used by several laboring 

women as a smudge, of course we have portable oxygen and it is not on 

while this is being burnt. In a hospital it would not be advisable to 

use sweet grass as a smudge because of the risk of explosion.

to make an infuse oil would be interesting to try, but I think you 

could just wear it or hold it up to your nose to smell it in labor or 

for that matter strew it around the room.  There has been a long 

tradition in many cultures of strewing herbs. I have though for quite 

awhile that lavender and sweet meliot were similar to sweet grass as 

far as smell goes to change the energy in a room, a sort of lifting 

of the spirits or heart. When ever I have come upon meliot growing 

during the rainy seasons I am always lightened by its smell.

   also to mention we had one woman who went to sundances regularly 

and when she was in labor one of the only relieving things for her 

was to have the sage held up to her face so she could breath it in 

with every breath. It cleared her mind and gave her strength and if 

we moved it away she insisted we put it back up to her face. Quite an 

interesting position to be in while she was laboring, if we had 

anticipated her using it in labor we probably would have made 

bracelets or a necklace or even a band that could be tied around her 

head so she could smell it all the time without someone holding it up 

the entire time.

   As for the sweet grass I don't think that it would be 

counter-indicated to be around in pregnancy unless you were making 

cigarettes out of it and smoking it all the time.

Sharon in Tucson



From sumar.mail.ifas.ufl.edu Tue Sep 17 04:29:24 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re: Seed ticks and lyme disease

From: Susan Marynowski <sumar.mail.ifas.ufl.edu>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:29:24 -0400



This got bounced a few days ago, so trying again.



I'll have to weigh in on the subject ticks from North Florida. I'm not sure

where Nell lives, but we commonly encounter "nests" of seed ticks in these

parts. They seem to hatch in March-April and again in September-October. If

you spend any time in the woods in Florida at all, you will run into these

little buggers soon enough. They do bite and stay in one place, and they

ITCH LIKE CRAZY. When you get about 100 of them (which you usually do),

your feet will be itching like you can't believe. You will rush home to get

your socks off. (Yes, they crawl in through socks!) But children may not

notice the itching so much at first.



The best way I have found to remove them, aside from picking them off

tediously with a magnifying glass, is to use duct tape. You get some nice

pieces of tape and lay them on the skin and then pull them off, and most of

the ticks come with it. Repeat as necessary until you get them all off.

After a good shower, I would suggest a lukewarm-cool foot bath with a few

drops a lavender EO or something similar to help take away the itching. The

bites will turn into little pustules overnight and they will itch kind of

like chiggers. The difference here is that you can SEE the little brown

seed ticks and the chiggers are invisible to the unaided eye (and the

chigger's itchy bite doesn't show up until a few hours or days after the bite).



From a bit of research on this, my understanding is that "seed ticks" are

nymphs of the larger dog tick variety, and thus are not carriers of lyme

disease, which is only carried by the smaller species of deer tick. I would

not recommend taking prophylactic antibiotics for tick bites like these. On

the other hand, if lyme disease is contracted and confirmed, I would

strongly recommend going ahead with antibiotic therapy. I have seen too

many cases here of folks who tried to treat it with natural/herbal

therapies and they only got sicker and sicker. Have also seen several

undetected cases here of lyme in youngsters that has predisposed them to 

Crohn's disease and other autoimmune problems. Cross-reactivity in the

immune system is a spooky thing. If lyme is confirmed, please get the

treatment.



--Susan in the tick-infested swamps of North Florida :~)



From carlton.midrivers.com Tue Sep 17 06:01:35 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] Re: Seed ticks and lyme disease

From: "Aliceann or Scott" <carlton.midrivers.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:01:35 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time)



I'll have to weigh in on the subject ticks from North Florida. I'm not sure

where Nell lives, but we commonly encounter "nests" of seed ticks in these

parts. They seem to hatch in March-April and again in September-October. If

you spend any time in the woods in Florida at all, you will run into these

little buggers soon enough. They do bite and stay in one place, and they

ITCH LIKE CRAZY. When you get about 100 of them (which you usually do),

your feet will be itching like you can't believe. You will rush home to get

your socks off. (Yes, they crawl in through socks!) But children may not

notice the itching so much at first.



The best way I have found to remove them, aside from picking them off

tediously with a magnifying glass, is to use duct tape....



Hi Susan,



Thanks for the information.  The duct tape idea is great!  I am assuming the

mouthparts are not as well developed in the seed ticks so that the heads

come out with the body which might not happen with more mature ticks.  Neem

oil might also help with reducing the itch and skin reaction.



I never have had a longing to live in Florida.  I'll take the rattlesnakes

over the creepy crawlies, 'gators and cottonmouths thanks.



Best Regards,

Aliceann



From tmueller.bluegrass.net Sat Sep 21 01:27:10 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re: Seed ticks and lyme disease

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller.bluegrass.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:27:10 -0400 (EDT)



> From a bit of research on this, my understanding is that "seed ticks" are

> nymphs of the larger dog tick variety, and thus are not carriers of lyme

> disease, which is only carried by the smaller species of deer tick. I would

> not recommend taking prophylactic antibiotics for tick bites like these. On

> the other hand, if lyme disease is contracted and confirmed, I would

> strongly recommend going ahead with antibiotic therapy. I have seen too

> many cases here of folks who tried to treat it with natural/herbal

> therapies and they only got sicker and sicker. Have also seen several

> undetected cases here of lyme in youngsters that has predisposed them to 

> Crohn's disease and other autoimmune problems. Cross-reactivity in the

> immune system is a spooky thing. If lyme is confirmed, please get the

> treatment.



> --Susan in the tick-infested swamps of North Florida :~)



I agree on not taking antibiotics for tick bites unlikely to carry Lyme disease.

But how do you know those undetected cases were Lyme if they were undetected?



How reliable now is diagnosis/detection of Lyme?



From sumar.mail.ifas.ufl.edu Tue Sep 17 04:34:11 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re: Stubborn dermatitis

From: Susan Marynowski <sumar.mail.ifas.ufl.edu>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:34:11 -0400



Dear herblisters -- I would very much appreciate any comments or

suggestions on this skin problem case. This friend has had skin problems

for many years. She is 65+. Her M.D. diagnosed the problem many years ago

as "dermatitis herpetiformis" (literally "reptile skin"), which is a skin

eruption caused by celiac disease (=gluten sensitivity). The eruptions are

small red bumps that form itchy erupting pustules. For all these years she

has treated the condition by minimizing wheat intake. One or less serving a

day has seemed to help control it, but it has never totally gone away. 



Recently she has made several major changes. She has been taking Lipitor

for elevated cholesterol (and before that, another statin drug for 2

years). She also recently stopped taking hormone replacement therapy, which

she had been on for 25 years since surgical menopause by full hysterectomy

circa 1975.



The dermatitis has gotten much worse lately. She finally went to a

dermatologist and a biopsy showed that the problem was NOT dematitis

herpetiformis, but was a non-specific "contact dermatitis." Neither M.D.

has any suggestions for treatment except to suggest that it is "nerves."

Her general M.D., however, did take her off the Lipitor for several weeks

"to see if that would help" (which suggests to me that he might recognize

some liver-skin connection).



I know Henriette will say *Help the liver,* so I want to recommend to her

things to cool/sedate the liver and help the skin as well. So I am thinking

Mahonia and Calendula perhaps, because of their affinity for the skin? She

has been taking milk thistle (on my 

recommendation when she started the Lipitor). I have also asked her to

drink nettles infusion daily and a dandelion-roasted chicory-burdock root

infusion daily, which she is willing to do. I've also recommended cooling

baths with colloidal oatmeal or similar soothing mixture. 



Does anyone have any other suggestions for this kind of long-standing

dermatitis? Any helpful suggestions would be greatly appreciated.   --Susan

in la florida



From NEHrbSup.aol.com Tue Sep 17 05:08:38 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Re: Stubborn dermatitis

From: NEHrbSup.aol.com

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:08:38 EDT



Susan, 



The milk thistle is good for doing the restoration but for my money, there is 

nothing like a triple decocted (heat - simmer 20 minutes cool 1 hour  - do it 

three times) burdock root tea  to really clean it out - given the limited 

description of your friend's symptoms, even a bit of the mahonia thrown in 

the pot while the balance cooks might be a good idea.  When someone presents 

here with this kind of  problem, the assumption I start with is that there is 

a fungal connection and dealing with that on every level is essential.  Maybe 

some Mahonia tea with a bit of Grapefruit Seed Extract as a skin wash while 

the burdock is cleaning out the liver would help as well.  Going in a 

completely non-herbal direction, given her age, you may want to look at both 

her laundry habits and the condition of the washer as well.   A number of 

years ago I had one such client that had the weirdest stuff pop up all over 

his body - after exhausting all the "conventional" approaches I started to 

look 'outside the box"  - short version was like this - guy gets divorced - 

never dona alick of housework in his life (poor thing) - figures that if he 

can fit something into the washer, its still not full - then just to make 

sure he is really getting things clean - he adds extra detergent.  - oh yea - 

OLD washer on its last legs -  anyway he does his laundry and it looks clean 

and smells fresh just like the soap commercials say it should.  (the above 

took about 3 months to get clear when it happened)  - bottom line was that 

when he rewashed a freshly cleaned and dried load it still had a ton of soap 

- when I asked him to bring the newly laundered stuff over to try in my 

machine it still had a ton of soap in it - new machine -machine functions 

very well - long and short of it was that he got a new machine and continues 

to live happily ever after - rash went away within a week. 

peter



Peter Byram, Herbalist

New England Herbal Supply Co.

299 Jagger Lane

Hebron, Connecticut 06248

860-228-9199  -  Fax 860-228-9399



From asackett.artsackett.com Tue Sep 17 08:13:34 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Re: Stubborn dermatitis

From: Art Sackett <asackett.artsackett.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:13:34 -0600



On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 10:08:38PM -0400, NEHrbSup.aol.com wrote:



> A number of 

> years ago I had one such client that had the weirdest stuff pop up all over 

> his body - after exhausting all the "conventional" approaches I started to 

> look 'outside the box"  - short version was like this - guy gets divorced - 

> never dona alick of housework in his life (poor thing) - figures that if he 

> can fit something into the washer, its still not full - then just to make 

> sure he is really getting things clean - he adds extra detergent.  - oh yea - 

> OLD washer on its last legs -  anyway he does his laundry and it looks clean 

> and smells fresh just like the soap commercials say it should.



Something else to watch out for is folks with sensitive skin or 

compromised immune systems doing their laundry at laundromats or 

communal laundry rooms (as in apartment buildings). 



-- 

----   Art Sackett   ----



From tmueller.bluegrass.net Sat Sep 21 01:27:09 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Re: Stubborn dermatitis

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller.bluegrass.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:27:09 -0400 (EDT)



Excerpt from Peter Byram:



> The milk thistle is good for doing the restoration but for my money, there is 

> nothing like a triple decocted (heat - simmer 20 minutes cool 1 hour  - do it 

> three times) burdock root tea  to really clean it out - given the limited 

> description of your friend's symptoms, even a bit of the mahonia thrown in 

> the pot while the balance cooks might be a good idea.  



Why the triple decoction?  Why not one single, possibly longer, period of

simmering?  Triple decoction could be difficult to fit into some people's

schedules.



From carlton.midrivers.com Tue Sep 17 06:15:08 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] Re: Stubborn dermatitis

From: "Aliceann or Scott" <carlton.midrivers.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:15:08 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time)



-------Original Message-------



Subject: [Herb] Re: Stubborn dermatitis



Dear herblisters -- I would very much appreciate any comments or

suggestions on this skin problem case. This friend has had skin problems

for many years. She is 65+. Her M.D. diagnosed the problem many years ago

as "dermatitis herpetiformis" (literally "reptile skin"), which is a skin

eruption caused by celiac disease (small red bumps that form itchy erupting pustules. For all these years she

has treated the condition by minimizing wheat intake. One or less serving a

day has seemed to help control it, but it has never totally gone away.... 

*****************************************************************************

*****



I agree with Peter about the Burdock decoction....it is excellent for all tissues and can be used as a wash as well.  Burdock also reduces allergic/autoimmune hypersensitivity.  Triphala is another consideration taken at night as a capsule with warm water....nice for detox and decreasing hypersensitivity as well as balancing cholesterol...especially triphala guggul.  Also, neem decoction and neem powder internally are considerations.  obviously overkill would be all of these.  Whatever is most accessible and tolerated is best.  At this woman's age, attention to getting enough oils that are easily digested (in reasonable amounts) would be important.  Many skin eruptions settle down when the good types of oils are increased..and cholesterol (HDL especially) is improved.  My preferences are olive oil and ghee  First though the toxic load needs to be decreased and the gut function improved.  



From ngbard.juno.com Tue Sep 17 21:06:41 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Re: Stubborn dermatitis

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard.juno.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:06:41 -0400



On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:13:34 -0600 Art Sackett <asackett.artsackett.com>

writes:

> On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 10:08:38PM -0400, NEHrbSup.aol.com wrote:



....sure he is really getting things clean - he adds extra detergent.  

> - oh yea - > > OLD washer on its last legs -  anyway he does his

laundry and it 

> looks clean  and smells fresh just like the soap commercials say it

should.

> 

> ----   Art Sackett   ----



When the "dryer cloths" first came out, my first contact was with a thin

knit sweater blouse with long sleeves.  I didn't get a reaction on my

neck, trunk or upper arms.  BUT my forearms were covered with bumps that

had a whitish surface surrounding them, and an itch.  I almost threw out

my clothing, but the gunk washed out, and nobody else in the house minded

using the suspect dryer cloths. 



Marcia



From mwherbs.dshome.net Wed Sep 18 05:40:38 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re: Stubborn dermatitis

From: Sharon Hodges-Rust <mwherbs.dshome.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:40:38 -0700



First of all NO SERVINGS OF WHEAT A DAY!!!!! I too have gluten 

intolerance and it just shouldn't be eaten at all. I think her skin 

condition is a testament to that,it is a symptom of intolerance and 

would clear up given dietary and topical support as soon as she gets 

rid of what is causing the chronic irritation to her intestines. If 

her outer skin looks like this imagine what her intestines look like. 

When I first discover my intolerance was after my youngest son was 

born and he was breast fed but had open sores on his bottom that I 

could get nearly cleared up and they would return, changed his diaper 

stuff and long story short he was sensitive to the gluten I was 

eating, so I stopped eating gluten foods. and 2 months later I eat 

probably about 3 mouths full of something that had wheat in it and 

got very sick, after being sick for a month I went the the 

naturopathic clinic and they did as much of a work up as I would let 

them do, forget the jj biopsy, and we decided I must be gluten 

sensitive that was 14 years ago. Now there are rare occasions that I 

can get by with eating something that might have a touch of gluten in 

it but most of the time I just don't want to take the chance. Long 

term consequences of repeated irritation is cancer so no thank you, 

also you can become allergic/sensitized to other foods while your 

intestines are not healthy. A lot of folks who are gluten sensitive 

cannot eat dairy as well. Once she is free of the constant irritation 

many things will be able to help her heal. Start with marshmallow, I 

also like a blackberries that are brought to a simmer with a little 

cinnamon added this is astringent and soothing to the bowels.After 

being sick I ate a lot of soups, usually mild  vegetable ( no 

tomatoes. I found myself craving cabbage and put it into soups or 

boiled dinners.  just a few thoughts, I hope this isn't going too far 

over the line on a taboo subject

sharon in tucson



From sumar.mail.ifas.ufl.edu Thu Sep 19 04:28:19 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re: Stubborn dermatitis

From: Susan Marynowski <sumar.mail.ifas.ufl.edu>

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:28:19 -0400



Thanks for all the input on this case. It is very helpful!  --Susan in FL



From tmueller.bluegrass.net Sat Sep 21 01:27:12 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re: Stubborn dermatitis

From: "Thomas Mueller" <tmueller.bluegrass.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:27:12 -0400 (EDT)



from Susan Marynowski <sumar.mail.ifas.ufl.edu>:



> Dear herblisters -- I would very much appreciate any comments or

> suggestions on this skin problem case. This friend has had skin problems

> for many years. She is 65+. Her M.D. diagnosed the problem many years ago

> as "dermatitis herpetiformis" (literally "reptile skin"), which is a skin

> eruption caused by celiac disease (=gluten sensitivity). The eruptions are

> small red bumps that form itchy erupting pustules. For all these years she

> has treated the condition by minimizing wheat intake. One or less serving a

> day has seemed to help control it, but it has never totally gone away. 



From what I read in newsgroups alt.med.allergy, alt.support.food-allergies and

other Internet and non-Internet sources, minimizing wheat intake is not good

enough in the case of celiac disease.  A person with celiac disease needs to

avoid wheat completely, and it is often advised to avoid other gluten grains

as well: rye, oats and barley.  Rice, corn, millet and grain sorghum are

gluten-free and safe with celiac disease.



From krw97.juno.com Tue Sep 17 17:21:01 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] topical for burns

From: krw97.juno.com

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:21:01 -0500



Does anyone know of a good topical remedy to heal burns?



Is there anything to take internally?



From jclarke1.mn.rr.com Tue Sep 17 19:53:44 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: RE: [Herb] topical for burns

From: "Kerry & Jack" <jclarke1.mn.rr.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:53:44 -0500



A salve or oil made from comfrey or St. John's Wort would be very helpful.

SJW especially is known for being great for burns.



Kerry



-----Original Message-----



Does anyone know of a good topical remedy to heal burns?



Is there anything to take internally?



From hetta.saunalahti.fi Tue Sep 17 20:41:45 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] topical for burns

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:41:45 +0300



krw97.juno.com wrote to herb.lists.ibiblio.org:



> Does anyone know of a good topical remedy to heal burns?



Aloe leaf, fresh from the plant. Slice it and put the messy side down.

Lavender essential oil is pretty good, too.



> Is there anything to take internally?



Calendula never hurt anybody...



Henriette



-- 

Henriette Kress                                          Helsinki, Finland

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From HerbalSW.aol.com Tue Sep 17 21:18:12 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] topical for burns

From: HerbalSW.aol.com

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:18:12 EDT



There is a phenomenal chines burn medicine that you can buy at a Chinese herb 

place.  I am sorry I can't remember the name of it.  It has a ton of stuff 

including patchouli.

It saved my daughter's arm from scarring from severe 2nd degree burns.

Catherine



Catherine M. Wood, LCSW, CADC, ADS

Eagle Spirit Healing Center

Where Your Spirit Learns To Soar

www.eaglespirithealingcenter.com



From polo.ccp.com Tue Sep 17 21:19:59 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] topical for burns

From: "d.a." <polo.ccp.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:19:59 -0500



    I have had nothing but the best of success with an old formula, I first

read about in Gerard's, then a further derivation in Greive's. First

Jerard's:



"The juice of thorn-apples boiled with hogs grease to the form of an unguent

or salve, cures all inflammations whatsoever, all manner of burnings or

scaldings, as well of fire, water, boiling lead, gunpowder, as that which

comes by lightning, and that in very short tim, as my selfe have found by my

daily practice, to my great credit and profit."



Greive's:



"Take the plant called thornapple, and Elder leaves, 2 good handfuls; pound

both leaves and apples very small in a stone mortar, then take a pound of

Barrow hogs lard watered and putt them altogether in an earthen pan, working

them well together, lett it stand til it begins to hoare (grow musty), and

then set it over a soft fire, not letting it boyle, then strain it, and put

in fresh herbs, order it as before this doe three times, and then keep it

for your use, it will keep seven years."



    Basically, my modification of the above, I first took equal parts of

datura stramonium leave and elder leave, fresh, chopped it up in a food

processor and placed into a crockpot full of hog lard (benzoiated later). I

placed on low heat and avoided boiling for a week and, then, recharged it

again with fresh material for another week, then a final charge for the last

week. Because I am using fresh leave, I crack the lid slightly to allow

moisture to escape. I have been known to let it stand for a number of weeks

in between charges to get the "musty" condition as described above. When

done, I strain and add enough wax to make a salve. I add benzoin (10g/100g

lard) to keep the lard from going rancid. I find this salve a fantastic burn

ointment. It has served me well for many years. It will usually stop the

pain of a serious burn in 10 minutes are less, never to return. Usually the

next day will only reveal slight redness with no blistering, etc.



doug



----- Original Message -----

From: <krw97.juno.com>

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:21 AM

Subject: [Herb] topical for burns



> Does anyone know of a good topical remedy to heal burns?

>

> Is there anything to take internally?



From jclarke1.mn.rr.com Tue Sep 17 22:46:03 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: RE: [Herb] topical for burns

From: "Kerry & Jack" <jclarke1.mn.rr.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:46:03 -0500



Isn't it kind of hard to find datura, unless you grow it yourself?



From polo.ccp.com Wed Sep 18 00:33:27 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] topical for burns

From: "d.a." <polo.ccp.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:33:27 -0500



Not in the Midwest, USA, it grows everywhere. It particularly likes hog and

cattle lots. A very prolific weed, farmers dislike.



doug



----- Original Message -----

From: "Kerry & Jack" <jclarke1.mn.rr.com>

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:46 PM

Subject: RE: [Herb] topical for burns



> Isn't it kind of hard to find datura, unless you grow it yourself?



From multiflorum.hotmail.com Tue Sep 17 21:48:12 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] topical for burns

From: "jim mcdonald" <multiflorum.hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:48:12 -0400



Burn Remedies I have known and loved (especially at the time I needed 

them...):



Aloe

Saint John's Wort - Infused Oil (very good for sunburns, chemo-burns)

Honey

Agrimony

Cinquefoil

Wild Bergamot

Hens & Chicks

Chickweed

Self Heal

Jewelweed



All of the leafy varieties can be made into a spit poultice on the

spot, the sooner the better.  The Hens and chicks can be used just like

aloe.  Just about any mucilaginous root chewed to a pulp will probably

make a burn feel better, as well.  In the feild use what you have

nearby; at home, Aloe, Saint John's Wort oil, and Honey are my

preferences.



From krw97.juno.com Tue Sep 17 22:51:07 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] topical for burns

From: krw97.juno.com

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:51:07 -0500



Honey helps to heal a burn?  Do you apply it like salve?



Can I break open a St John's Wort capsule (if I can find one) & use that

if I can't find the oil?



From hetta.saunalahti.fi Wed Sep 18 09:13:23 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] topical for burns

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:13:23 +0300



krw97.juno.com wrote to herb.lists.ibiblio.org:



> Honey helps to heal a burn?  Do you apply it like salve?



Yes, but not outdoors, where there's wasps, and flies, and honeybees. And bears.



> Can I break open a St John's Wort capsule (if I can find one) & use that

> if I can't find the oil?



No. The capsule contents are dry. SJW oil is not.



Dried SJW doesn't give a red oil, fresh SJW does. You could try a poultice of

the dried herb, but that takes way more that you'd find in a capsule, with no

guarantees that it'd even work... so let us know, if you decide to try it.



Cheers

Henriette (Burns? First you go to the freezer and take out a bag of frozen peas,

or beans or whatever. Apply the bag to the burn; that gives you some painless

time to look for something better.)



-- 

Henriette Kress                                          Helsinki, Finland

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From jans.adams.net Tue Sep 24 20:09:31 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] topical for burns

From: "Jan Schmidt" <jans.adams.net>

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:09:31 -0500



Good Afternoon,

 First cold water to cool.

Then lavender EO neat!

Jan S

www.sweetprairiesoap.com

jans.adams.net

now taking paypal



From multiflorum.hotmail.com Tue Sep 17 18:44:33 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Re: Stubborn dermatitis AND Sweet Grass

From: "jim mcdonald" <multiflorum.hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:44:33 -0400



OK, first the dermatitis...



Making a tea from whatever blend of alteratives are needed is certainly

indicated, and I find Burdock is almost always an ideal part of any

alterative formula.  Rather than simply combining them haphazardly

(books say these herbs are good for "skin complaints"), I like to look

at the person's situation to choose.  Digestive troubles and

constipation usually hint at the addition of Oregon Grape or Yellow

Dock, stress & adrenal exhaustion indicate Nettles and Milky Oats, any

sort of a septic infection in the rash would call for Echinacea or

perhaps Wild Indigo.  You might include Cleavers to help the

lymphatics, especially if there is concentrated or gravelly urine.

Learning about the specific niches that alteratives address will allow

you to use them much more adeptly, and usually with better results.



I've found that whenever you're treating a rash, it is imperitive to

make some sort of soothing external application.  Alteratives take a

while to work, and while there is an indisputable wisdom in working

with herbs on a long term basis to resolve chronic problems, what the

person coming to see you really wants is for the damn rash to go away

NOW.  I made a salve this spring when I received a bunch of requests

from people suffering from weird rashes from a variety of causes, and

it worked incredibly well for them all.  The primary ingredient was

Chickweed, though it also contained Plantain, Violet, Cleavers, a

Burdock leaf, & a Comfrey leaf.  All of these were fresh, and I added a

bit of Saint John's Wort Oil (fresh) and Calendula oil (dried - from

HerbPharm).  I also added some Lanolin (from humanely treated animals,

of course), which I'm convinced significantly improved the quality of

the oil.  Anyways, this salve exceeded all of my expectations, working

amazingly well on rashes caused by exposure to harsh cleaning agents,

severe eczema aggravated by a highly chlorinated swimming pool, and

rashes of a completely unfathomable nature I saw crop up in a diverse

group of people with few similarities in constitution, diet or

activities.  From forever onward, when treating rashes, I will use a

salve containing fresh Chickweed.



Now onto Sweet Grass...



There's no need to make any kind of oil with it, first because an oil

wouldn't turn out very good (in terms of its ability to supply an nice

scent to inhale), second because the plant can simply be hung in the

area you want to smell it and there's no need for any processing or

effort, other than lighting it on fire if that's your thing.  For those

who love the scent of Sweet Grass, but find the price of a braid to be

much, much more than it should be, the abundant/invasive White or

Yellow Sweet Clover (Melilot) can be gathered in its place, and bundled

up to offer a nearly identical delightful scent.  I always gather some

in the summertime to throw up on my dash board... it makes the car

smell good until it turns from green to yellow.  You can burn it as

well, but keeping it lit isn't very easy, and "Smudge Sticks" that are

bumped or jostled will crumble away to nothing but stems... even harder

to keep lit.



PERSONALLY (please note the qualifier, die-hard aromatherapists) I

would almost always rather smell an herb than an essential oil.  While

an essentail oil like Peppermint smells pretty much the same as the

plant, other essential oils, like Chamomile, simply don't have the

gentle charm of the dried plant, and I've met planty of Chamomile-heads

(and their well-meaning partners, looking for an anniversary gift) who

have spent quite a bit of money on a teeny bottle of essential oil,

only to discover it doesn't smell like their beloved herb at all.



Really, I suppose much of this comes down to the fact that I'm somewhat

cheap, and balk at the cost of E.O.s.  Maybe if I make my own still and

distill my oils myself, I'll develope a greater appreciation.  Who

knows.  Regardless, a bundle of herbs left in a sunny window makes an

ideal aromatherpay diffuser and saves planty of money as well.



From MARDI2GRAS.aol.com Tue Sep 17 20:48:16 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] herbs that increase bile

From: MARDI2GRAS.aol.com

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:48:16 EDT



<PRE>please list herbs that increase bile. also has anyone heard of the herbalist 

Joseph Vanseters? thanks so much for your time, Debra



From hetta.saunalahti.fi Wed Sep 18 20:12:37 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] herbs that increase bile

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:12:37 +0300



MARDI2GRAS.aol.com wrote to herb.lists.ibiblio.org:



> please list herbs that increase bile. 



All the bitters, as tasted on your tongue.



Henriette



-- 

Henriette Kress                                          Helsinki, Finland

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From moon-daughters.juno.com Tue Sep 17 21:04:59 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Ticks

From: nell and haley <moon-daughters.juno.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:04:59 GMT



We live in SE Virginia, by the way.

My daughter is terrific, no more itch, and the bites are tiny red scabby spots now.

She seems very well, but I am still keeping a close eye on everything.

Nell



From macphee.net1plus.com Wed Sep 18 05:00:42 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] Ticks

From: "Joanie" <macphee.net1plus.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:00:42 -0400



Nell, did you get them posts I forwarded?

Pay special attention to flu symptoms now and for awhile.



I have attended Lyme disease seminars locally, at hospitals and such...

and my best assessment is that testing for Lyme is still pretty unreliable.

Joanie



> We live in SE Virginia, by the way.

> My daughter is terrific, no more itch, and the bites are tiny red scabby

spots now.

> She seems very well, but I am still keeping a close eye on everything.

> Nell



From cmaria.triton.net Tue Sep 17 21:54:54 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Sweetgrass ( hierochloe oderata)

From: Christa-Maria <cmaria.triton.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:54:54 -0500



Sweetgrass is used by the natives in NorthAmerica to smudge a person.

A braid is made to represent the 'Mother's ' hair.

The wonderful scent comes from coumarin a bloodthinner.

Sweet woodruff and sweet white clover have  a similar scent, also due to

the coumarin.

Oils that are marketed under the sweetgrass name are usually derived

from vanilla or chemical altered to have the scent that we are used to

fromt eh fresh plant.

It is a wonderful plant, looks like many other grasses and getting

extinct in the wild.

But easily grown in the garden.

I make little baskets out of sweetgrass and it keeps it's scent for what

seems forever, especially noticable  when humid weather comes along.

C-M



From j_iris.juno.com Wed Sep 18 03:01:25 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Feline Dermatitis

From: J St Julien <j_iris.juno.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:01:25 GMT



Kitty (Ollie) has some flea bits w/ associated dermatitis, hopefully not yet progreessed to a skin - staph situation.  Does anyone know of a anti-imflammatory active herb safe for cats??



Many thanks,  Jenny Iris



From plantpeople.triton.net Thu Sep 19 11:43:52 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] burns

From: Joyce Wardwell <plantpeople.triton.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:43:52 -0400



>Does anyone know of a good topical remedy to heal burns?

>Is there anything to take internally?



When I was about 10 I accidentally plunged my arm in a pot of boiling chicken soup and received second to sever second degree burns from fingertip to elbow, the palm of the hand being nearly entirely severe second degree.  



My mother treated the burn only with vitamin E oil (natural, not synthetic).  Can't say it did much for the pain, however, the burn healed without a trace of a scar (and this was after the doctor talking surgery and skin grafts, which we did not do).  Over the years and with children I have experimented with many herbs for burns, and have come to the conclusion that the carrier is at least, if not more imprtant than the herb.  A St johnswort oil made with almond oil is significantly less effective in healing a burn than one with vitamin e oil as the base, olive oil even more so. 



I have worked with balsam fir resin in a 70/30% blend (vitamin e oil to balsam fir resin)  It works effectively to toughen blisters to help delay their breaking open, but some people are sensitive to the balsam fir so you must be careful.  



I find the mucilaginous plants (water base) such as aloe and hens and chicks work best on minor burns or burns over small areas.



Burns where the skin is broken or over a large area, I like to use a blend of 80% vitamin e oil and 10% balsam poplar infused oil and 10% st johnwort oil.  Add the infused herb oils to the vitamin e oil. 



Take the vitamin e internally as well.  Also  daily infusions of oatstraw to help nourish the nerve endings.  Papaver somniferum extract to ease intense pain the first day.... or wild lettuce latex extract if you live in the U.S. (P. somniferm is illegal to manufacture in the U.S.)  After that, plenty of sleep - and fluids. 



Would rather have to go through pain of chilbirth 100 times again (not the pregnancy or rearing part, mind you) than be burnt like that again.  

Peace - JoyceW



Every great Oak Tree, was once just a nut, that stood its ground



From mterry.snet.net Thu Sep 19 13:12:42 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] burns

From: May Terry <mterry.snet.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:12:42 -0400



Joyce Wardwell wrote:



> >Does anyone know of a good topical remedy to heal burns?

> >Is there anything to take internally?

>

> When I was about 10 I accidentally plunged my arm in a pot of boiling chicken soup and received second to sever second degree burns from fingertip to elbow, the palm of the hand being nearly entirely severe second degree.



I found your post to be very interesting, Joyce.  I'm curious about wild lettuce; if you mean the same plant I'm thinking of (I don't know the botanical name) it's about 10 feet high now here in New England.



My understanding is that it's rumored to have hallucinogenic--or narcotic--? properties...anyone know?



May

--

We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.  ---Albert Einstein



From macphee.net1plus.com Thu Sep 19 17:02:47 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] burns

From: "Joanie" <macphee.net1plus.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:02:47 -0400



Hi May...

There are perhaps a dozen or so species AND varieties of wild lettuce

(Lactuca species, as the cultivated lettuces are) here in New England, plus

some Prenanthes species and others are also called Wild (or "white" in the

case of one of the Prenanthes=Rattlesnake Roots) Lettuce, rightly or

wrongly.



But, as you mention 10 feet high ones...you are probably referring to

Lactuca canadensis (var. canadensis is the most common variety here...and

*native*) which gets to be that high here, with little yellow dandelionlike

flowers.  The lettuces have a white milky juice,...the Lactucas for sure,

and at least *some* of the Prenanthes ones do (at a young stage, several do

not, but I have not checked these when fully grown yet..but will check at

least one later this morning).



Oh, and this extracted white juice (of Lactuca)  has mild narcotic

properties (*not* hallucinogenic)...some species of Lactuca are stronger,

but even the supermarket lettuces have *some*...I remember stories of people

eating loads of lettuce to see if it would put them to sleep.  Something

did, either it was the Lettuce or the effort of eating it all, or the side

of protein, I cannot say for sure.  I do not know offhand if the white juice

of the Prenanthes wild Lettuces have similar contents/properties or not,

offhand.



Look up "Lactucarium" in Kings or Grieves or on Google or wherever to learn

more abut this white latex.  There may or may not be a more current name or

constituent analyses.  I used to be interested in experimenting with this

but was overwhelmed with bitters back then, and this bitter herb sorta fell

to the wayside.  JOanie



>  I'm curious about wild lettuce; if you mean the same plant I'm thinking

of (I don't know the botanical name) it's about 10 feet high now here in New

England.

>

> My understanding is that it's rumored to have hallucinogenic--or

narcotic--? properties...anyone know?



From ngbard.juno.com Fri Sep 20 04:30:48 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] burns

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard.juno.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:30:48 -0400



On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:12:42 -0400 May Terry <mterry.snet.net> writes:

> Joyce Wardwell wrote:

>

> I found your post to be very interesting, Joyce.  I'm curious about 

> wild lettuce; if you mean the same plant I'm thinking of (I don't 

> know the botanical name) it's about 10 feet high now here in New 

> England.

> 



All lettuce, lactuca sativa, when it starts to bolt can be boiled into a

decoction that is somewhat sedative and anodyne.   Boiled oregano tea,

bitter as any bitter, has similar properties for dulling pain.



Marcia



From mt_turtle.email.com Thu Sep 19 23:26:26 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Re: obedient plant

From: "K B" <mt_turtle.email.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 05:26:26 +0900



<snip>be that's the 'obedient'?  I do remember reading

something about them retaining shape when twisted for arranging - or

something like that.<snip>



Yep, a flower arranger can just tweek the stems the direction she/he wishes them to stay and, without wiring, they will very obediently stay there.

KB



From kchisholm.ca.inter.net Fri Sep 20 06:52:33 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Gold Thread

From: Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm.ca.inter.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:52:33 -0300



Dear List



As mentioned in a previous posting, I have Gold Thread,

Coptis trifolia, growing in profusion.



I was out this evening and in about an hour, I picked

23 grams, less than an ounce.



Has anyone seen it for sale? 

If so, how is it sold? Is it sold "as harvested",

"washed", "washed and dried", or in some other state?



How much does it sell for per gram, or per ounce?



Any comments on Gold Thread Marketing would be greatly

appreciated.



Thanks very much.



Kevin Chisholm



From hetta.saunalahti.fi Fri Sep 20 08:17:24 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Gold Thread

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:17:24 +0300



Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm.ca.inter.net> wrote to herb.lists.ibiblio.org:



> As mentioned in a previous posting, I have Gold Thread,

> Coptis trifolia, growing in profusion.

> 

> I was out this evening and in about an hour, I picked

> 23 grams, less than an ounce.

> 

> Has anyone seen it for sale? 

> If so, how is it sold? Is it sold "as harvested",

> "washed", "washed and dried", or in some other state?

> 

> How much does it sell for per gram, or per ounce?

> 

> Any comments on Gold Thread Marketing would be greatly appreciated.



It's not gold, if that's what you're asking. You can't make money fast by

gethering herbs. Only one of my catalogs even lists Coptis, and then it's the

chinese kind:



Coptis chinensis root    UKP 38.00 per kg, dried and cut



See, Coptis is therapeutically pretty much the same as Berberis; why pay 3x as

much for it? Here's a few other root prices for you, just so you know where

coptis levels out:



Black cohosh root        UKP  9.50 per kg, dried and cut

Codonopsis root (yum!)       15.50

Echinacea ang. root (org.)   35.00

Echinacea pall. root (org.)  30.00

Echinacea purp. root (org.)  20.00

Panax ginseng, red root      40.00

Panax quinquef. root         55.00

Hydrastis root (org.)       150.00

Berberis vulgaris root        9.50

Mahonia aqui. root           11.50



UKP = UK pounds; about 1.5 USD.

1 kg = about 2 lbs. You do the math.



Cheers

Henriette



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From kchisholm.ca.inter.net Fri Sep 20 11:40:47 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] Gold Thread

From: Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm.ca.inter.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 05:40:47 -0300



Dear Henriette



Thanks very much indeed for the perspective on Gold

Thread!! 

Reality is what is.



Kindest regards,



Kevin Chisholm



From NEHrbSup.aol.com Sat Sep 21 04:00:57 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Triple Decoction

From: NEHrbSup.aol.com

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:00:57 EDT



Tom,



Think "stew".  First time you make it even if you bubble the hell out of it, 

it still tastes "first cooking"  - second time you reheat - especially if its 

been refrigerated for a day,  the flavor is much better, - third time - its 

ambrosia -  The mechanics of what happens is that the first time you heat a 

substance l(like veggies in the stew or roots and barks in a decoction) in 

water it absorbs what it can and even though you will get some "action" in 

terms of extracting the constituents into water, you really don't get 

anything near maximum benefit.  As the stuff cools, it absorbs more of the 

fluid and becomes completely saturated with the water.  When heated the 

second time it expels (heat expands) all of the constituents that have been 

extracted from the inside of the chunks of the roots in the pot, Third time 

seems to get most of everything that is left through the same process.   

While I have no "science" - as in an assay of the results-my personal 

observation with all of my root/bark blends is that this is superior to even 

heating, a la TCM method, for 45 minutes or more.  Color and strength (taste 

and effect) are stronger.   For the newbies on the list, this applies to 

root/bark/seed DECOCTIONS only.  Do this to flowers and Ariel parts and you 

will probably kill most of the benefit that could have been obtained.  



Relative to the question of "time" or the lack thereof, it becomes a choice 

that people have to make.  My suggestion to clients is that they start to 

prepare the tea late in the afternoon - which fits most people's schedules - 

and then just before bed - and again in the morning - or when they return 

from work in the afternoon - sitting in the fridge won't hurt the herb and 

might even enhance it to sit there for another 8-10 hours.  If they can't do 

that, then at least part fo their problem is (a) they are really not 

committed to their healing process) (b) they are battling a disorder which is 

caused by the stress that rises from having that full a schedule, (c) they 

are in denial about what is really wrong - probably a combination of the 

three and when you encounter someone like this, seldom will any herb or 

combination do what is needed until the essential element of "spirit is 

addressed.

Hope this clarifies why I suggested what I did,

Regards,

peter



Peter Byram, CNC,  Herbalist

New England Herbal Supply Co.

299 Jagger Lane

Hebron, Connecticut 06248

860-228-9199  -  Fax 860-228-9399





From plantpeople.triton.net Sat Sep 21 22:59:54 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] Wild lettuce

From: Joyce Wardwell <plantpeople.triton.net>

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:59:54 -0400



>I found your post to be very interesting, Joyce. I'm curious about >wild lettuce; if you mean the same plant I'm thinking of (I don't >know the botanical name) it's about 10 feet high now here in New >England.

>My understanding is that it's rumored to have hallucinogenic--or >narcotic--? properties...anyone know?

>May



May, the variety of lettuce I use is Lactuca biennis.  It is more common in my immediate area and there is some tradition in chinese medicine and ottawa medicine that plants/flowers in the blue spectrum have a greater affinity for healing/calming the spirit.  Tincture made from L biennis has a decidely bluer tone than that from the yellow flowered lettuces.  I believe that the wild lettuces are, for all practical purposes, interchangeable. However, I do not use a tincture of L biennis anymore.

I had noticed that when making the tincture an oily like substance would rise to the surface.  Skimming the surface off the tincture and using only that had a stronger sedative action.  Surmising it was the latex rising to the surface, I now simply go for the latex.

Tried to slit the side of the stem, let the latex rise and return in 24-48 hours to collect the little beads of latex that form as some herbalists recommend... but in the end I found this method tedious and impractical.

Now I slit the stem.  Wait 24-48 hours.  Gather the arial portion of the plant.  Puree it in my vitamix with just enough water to make a milk-shake like consistency.  Wait 2-4 days.  A scum will rise to the surface.  Skim the skum.  Dry the skim in a dehrydrator (air drying in a thin layer on a piece of wax paper would work if you live in a drier climate than I do).  Put the dried matter into a water pipe and smoke it (mix with a little rose petal for flavor and to ease the emotional worry and fear that often accompanies trauma).  Have a warm milk and honey chaser.

To figure the dose, look at the person's little pinky nail.  Estimate 1/4 the size.  Repeat in 45 minutes if necessary.  It seldom is.

Those I have worked with who have taken wild lettuce, either as tincture or smoked have not reported any hallucogenic effect.  It has the wonderful effect of helping one relax and allowing the person to sleep. I have used it only with broken bones, burns and wound trauma, so we are talking 1-2 nights in a row at most.  I would imagine the potential is there for it to be abused, but, then what doesn't have that potential?

   



Spread peace like a weed

JoyceW

-------------------

Every great Oak Tree, was once just a nut, that stood its ground



From jmission.indy.net Mon Sep 23 08:14:40 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: [Herb] Re: Wild lettuce

From: "J Mission" <jmission.indy.net>

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 00:14:40 -0500



> May, the variety of lettuce I use is Lactuca biennis.  It is more common

in my immediate area and there is some tradition in chinese medicine and

ottawa medicine that plants/flowers in the blue spectrum have a greater

affinity for healing/calming the spirit.  Tincture made from L biennis has a

decidely bluer tone than that from the yellow flowered lettuces.  I believe

that the wild lettuces are, for all practical purposes, interchangeable.

However, I do not use a tincture of L biennis anymore.

> I had noticed that when making the tincture an oily like substance would

rise to the surface.  Skimming the surface off the tincture and using only

that had a stronger sedative action.  Surmising it was the latex rising to

the surface, I now simply go for the latex.



Do you think that the dried leaves/ariel parts are effective or retain the

latex?  I have seen it offered by a couple of different herb sellers.



j



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From hetta.saunalahti.fi Sun Sep 29 08:13:39 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] So yesterday, I made a flu thingy.

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 08:13:39 +0300



It's:



1 large clove of garlic, sliced thinly

1 tablespoon honey

1 tablespoon lemon juice



mix in the bottom of a cup, add boiling water, drink.



Pretty tasty. With more lemon juice it gets to be pretty sour, so then you add

more honey which makes it pretty thick so then you add more boiling water... but

really, the basic recipe is just great. The basic recipe also specifies that you

should stay in bed after drinking this; it's for the very first signs of flu.



I left the garlic slices at the bottom of the cup; they had too strong a taste.



Today I'll do another flu thingy, which consists solely of raw chopped-up onion

and honey... once the sun shows up, that is, so I can take a photo of my

creation in a nicely lighted setting. (I'm doing a thingy on the flu for a local

glossy).



Cheers

Henriette



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From GerstenbergerA.aol.com Mon Sep 30 07:23:54 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] So yesterday, I made a flu thingy.

From: GerstenbergerA.aol.com

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:23:54 EDT



Henriette,

Sounds alot like my favorite flu thingy,



2 tbsp or so each of

mashed garlic

honey

lemon

cayenne pepper (or as much as you can manage)



put in a little jar, shake it up, and take by the teaspoon full every hour or 

so.

If I start when I first realize that sore throat isn't from talking too much, 

then usually the thing runs its whole course from throat to head to lungs and 

out in 3 days. I make small batches so the garlic doesn't age.

Resting at home helps, if you do go out, your "aura" keeps others at a 

distance (so they don't get what you have).



AG



In a message dated 9/29/02 1:15:43 AM, hetta.saunalahti.fi writes:



>It's:

>

>1 large clove of garlic, sliced thinly

>1 tablespoon honey

>1 tablespoon lemon juice

>

>mix in the bottom of a cup, add boiling water, drink.

>

>Pretty tasty. With more lemon juice it gets to be pretty sour, so then

>you add

>more honey which makes it pretty thick so then you add more boiling water...

>but

>really, the basic recipe is just great. The basic recipe also specifies

>that you

>should stay in bed after drinking this; it's for the very first signs of

>flu.

>

>I left the garlic slices at the bottom of the cup; they had too strong

>a taste.

>

>Today I'll do another flu thingy, which consists solely of raw chopped-up

>onion

>and honey... once the sun shows up, that is, so I can take a photo of my

>creation in a nicely lighted setting. (I'm doing a thingy on the flu for

>a local

>glossy).

>

>Cheers

>Henriette

>



From ngbard.juno.com Mon Sep 30 14:34:38 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] So yesterday, I made a flu thingy.

From: Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard.juno.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:34:38 -0400



On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 08:13:39 +0300 Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

writes:

> It's:

> 

> 1 large clove of garlic, sliced thinly

> 1 tablespoon honey

> 1 tablespoon lemon juice

> 

> mix in the bottom of a cup, add boiling water, drink.



How about some crushed and smushed garlic spread w/wo olive oil or butter

on tasty bread or crackers and served with hot water and lemon juice?  Is

that good enough, or would a chicken soup loaded with garlic be better.

( Honey and other sugar sources are off my diabetic list)



Marcia

---



From lakshmi.kingcon.com Mon Sep 30 15:37:34 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] So yesterday, I made a flu thingy.

From: "Michelle Morton-niyama" <lakshmi.kingcon.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:37:34 -0400



Yep, Its the season, I guess



My son and I made some garlic olive oil with delicious fresh garlic- zowie!



I made a syrup with rosehips, elderberries, osha, echinacea, licorice,

marshmallow cinnnamon and ginger(honey based)  I have been making"pink

lemonade "with it as the sweet part- YUM.



The osha I bought at the herb store in Flagstaff AZ last time I was there-

good stuff.



Is the marshmallow totally ineffective since I decocted it? I know it should

be a cold infusion.



Michelle



From hetta.saunalahti.fi Mon Sep 30 16:58:06 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] So yesterday, I made a flu thingy.

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:58:06 +0300



"Michelle Morton-niyama" <lakshmi.kingcon.com> wrote:



> My son and I made some garlic olive oil with delicious fresh garlic- zowie!



Strong, eh?



> Is the marshmallow totally ineffective since I decocted it? I know it should

> be a cold infusion.



Mallows work as long as you make them into watery things. That is, no alcohol,

no vinegar, etc. Decocted root is fine. Even an infusion of the root works, if

the root is small enough, or if you let it sit for long enough. 



Of course, I usually use the flowering tops of my mallows, that's easier, and I

get to pick them throughout the summer. And I have pretty flowers in my garden,

too.



Cheers

Henriette



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From hetta.saunalahti.fi Mon Sep 30 17:02:04 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] So yesterday, I made a flu thingy.

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:02:04 +0300



Marcia V Grossbard <ngbard.juno.com> wrote to herb.lists.ibiblio.org:



> How about some crushed and smushed garlic spread w/wo olive oil or butter

> on tasty bread or crackers and served with hot water and lemon juice?  Is

> that good enough, or would a chicken soup loaded with garlic be better.

> ( Honey and other sugar sources are off my diabetic list)



There are lots of flu herbs, most of which you can make into a tea. 



I think raw garlic has too rabid a taste on its own, which is why the honey and

lemon juice. 

Cooked garlic, yum! Honeypickled garlic, yowza! Raw garlic, no thanks.



But if you like raw garlic, go ahead.



Cheers

Henriette



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From hetta.saunalahti.fi Sun Sep 29 09:22:13 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: [Herb] ADMIN: AOL 6, 7, plain text

From: Henriette Kress <hetta.saunalahti.fi>

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:22:13 +0300



Hi guys,



there _is_ a way to post plain text messages using AOL 6 or 7.



Here's how: http://members.aol.com/adamkb/aol/mailfaq/#aol6html



Excerpt:



AOL 6.0 

When communicating with Internet recipients who are not using an email program

capable of selecting which MIME section to view (and mailing lists which can't

strip out the html automatically, like this one), an AOL 6.0 user can turn off

the HTML by taking the following steps exactly as described:



   1.Change your global email preferences (only needs to be done once): 

        a.Go to Keyword: Preferences (or choose Preferences from the Settings

          menu on the AOL 6.0 toolbar).

        b.Click on Font, Text, & Graphics Preferences. 

        c.Click on the Reset button at the bottom of the resulting window. Do

          not make any changes in the Font Preferences area of the window. 

        d.Click on the Save button. 

   2. Do for every email:

        a.Compose and address the email as desired. 

        b.Choose Select All from the Edit menu to highlight the entire message. 

        c.With the mouse arrow somewhere over the highlighted text, click the

          Right mouse button, revealing a contextual menu (AKA Right-Click). 

        d.Choose Normal from the Text menu. 

        e.Taking care not to make any further changes to the message, send it. 



/end of excerpt.



AOL 7.0:

Do 1. like above, and:



2. Do for every email:

    a.When you highlight a passage for reply, use the "Edit" "Copy", then be

      sure to click somewhere in the original email to UNdefine the text block.

    b.Then click on the "Reply" button, giving you a blank message screen.  Here

      is where you use "Edit" "Paste" to put the copied info in place.

    c.Then you write/edit your mail info as you wish.

    d.IMPORTANT -- do NOT simply highlight the text in an email & then try to 

      reply!  THAT's what turns the html back on!

    Confusing?  Ubetcha!



Thanks to Susi for the URL and for the AOL7 way of doing (2). 



So post away, folks. Note that if you reset (1) or forget to do (2) your post(s)

won't make it to the list; instead they'll get caught in the .html filters of

this list (.html posts break the digest).



Cheers

Henriette, listowner.



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From ingreab.attbi.com Sun Sep 29 11:28:30 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: [Herb] converting tincture mixes to teas or dry herbs

From: AI <ingreab.attbi.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:28:30 -0700



I hope this question is allowable even though it has to do with herbal 

treatment of a cat rather than a human.



The following mix was developed by a wonderful veterinarian/naturopath to 

treat respiratory inflammation in felines (and possibly others).  He no 

longer works in my part of the country, and my present veterinarian who 

suggested it for my cat is away until Wednesday.



My cat has dyspnea and from e-xrays has been diagnosed with airway 

inflammatory disease.  He also has mild hypertrophic 

cardiomyopathy.  Although the formula seems to help his breathing, he seems 

uncomfortable and nauseated.  I cannot tell if its from the lobelia or the 

alcohol.  I have obtained the formula minus the lobelia and will try that 

for a couple of days, but I would prefer not to give him the alcohol.



I wondered if anyone on the list could tell me whether I could mix the dry 

herbs in the same proportions and put the mix in capsules or make a tea 

from them, and if so, how I would figure out the  equivalences  to a half 

dropper-full of the tincture.



This is the formula:  The licorice is a glycerine extract, the others are 

alcohol extracts.



9 parts skullcap

6 parts comfrey

3 parts lobelia

3 parts Yerba Santa

6 parts licorice

3 parts grindelia



Thank you for any help you give me.



Anna Ingre



From fia.montana.com Sun Sep 29 16:48:04 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] converting tincture mixes to teas or dry herbs

From: "mjw" <fia.montana.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:48:04 -0600



Greetings,

It is my understanding that cats do not tolerate alcohol well. So this is

what I do for my cats.

Evaporate the alcohol off (until I can't smell it) and then add back

distilled water and just a touch of glycerin to bring the volume back to

were it was before I evaporated.  I store the "product" in the fridge and

keep a wary eye out for any "mold".....haven't had any yet.  I'm sure this

cuts the shelf life down and I wouldn't suggest this method for "resale"

but it certainly works well for my cats.



Best of luck

Julie



----- Original Message -----

From: "AI" <ingreab.attbi.com>

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 2:28 AM

Subject: [Herb] converting tincture mixes to teas or dry herbs



> I wondered if anyone on the list could tell me whether I could mix the dry

> herbs in the same proportions and put the mix in capsules or make a tea

> from them, and if so, how I would figure out the  equivalences  to a half

> dropper-full of the tincture.

>

> This is the formula:  The licorice is a glycerine extract, the others are

> alcohol extracts.

>

> 9 parts skullcap

> 6 parts comfrey

> 3 parts lobelia

> 3 parts Yerba Santa

> 6 parts licorice

> 3 parts grindelia

>

> Thank you for any help you give me.

>

> Anna Ingre



From jclarke1.mn.rr.com Sun Sep 29 17:20:55 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: RE: [Herb] converting tincture mixes to teas or dry herbs

From: "Kerry & Jack" <jclarke1.mn.rr.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:20:55 -0500



Wouldn't the glycerin preserve it almost as well as the alcohol? I'd think

that if you added glycerin to it, there shouldn't be any problem with mold

or bacteria.



Kerry



-----Original Message-----



Evaporate the alcohol off (until I can't smell it) and then add back

distilled water and just a touch of glycerin to bring the volume back to

were it was before I evaporated.  I store the "product" in the fridge and

keep a wary eye out for any "mold".....haven't had any yet.  I'm sure this

cuts the shelf life down and I wouldn't suggest this method for "resale"

but it certainly works well for my cats.



From under-the-bridge.juno.com Sun Sep 29 20:30:25 2002

To: herb.lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Re: [Herb] converting tincture mixes to teas or dry herbs

From: under-the-bridge.juno.com

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:30:25 -0700



Hi, 

I just wanted to let you know that I also give the cat herbs. Olmo all 40

lbs and 15 years of him has asthma. I all had a great vet at one time who

gave me some recipes. I beleive there is a book out, though I dont own

it. Suggest the bookstores. Olmo gets Burdock root in his food once a day

every day.

and he's still kicking.

also suggest diet changes

cindy



On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:28:30 -0700 AI <ingreab.attbi.com> writes:

> I hope this question is allowable even though it has to do with 

> herbal 

> treatment of a cat rather than a human.

> 

> The following mix was developed by a wonderful 

> veterinarian/naturopath to 

> treat respiratory inflammation in felines (and possibly others).  He 

> no 

> longer works in my part of the country, and my present veterinarian 

> who 

> suggested it for my cat is away until Wednesday.

> 

> My cat has dyspnea and from e-xrays has been diagnosed with airway 

> inflammatory disease.  He also has mild hypertrophic 

> cardiomyopathy.  Although the formula seems to help his breathing, 

> he seems 

> uncomfortable and nauseated.  I cannot tell if its from the lobelia 

> or the 

> alcohol.  I have obtained the formula minus the lobelia and will try 

> that 

> for a couple of days, but I would prefer not to give him the 

> alcohol.

> 

> I wondered if anyone on the list could tell me whether I could mix 

> the dry 

> herbs in the same proportions and put the mix in capsules or make a 

> tea 

> from them, and if so, how I would figure out the  equivalences  to a 

> half 

> dropper-full of the tincture.

> 

> This is the formula:  The licorice is a glycerine extract, the 

> others are 

> alcohol extracts.

> 

> 9 parts skullcap

> 6 parts comfrey

> 3 parts lobelia

> 3 parts Yerba Santa

> 6 parts licorice

> 3 parts grindelia

> 

> Thank you for any help you give me.

> 

> Anna Ingre



From fia.montana.com Mon Sep 30 17:42:58 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] converting tincture mixes to teas or dry herbs

From: "mjw" <fia.montana.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:42:58 -0600



Kerry,

In this instance I use the glycerin more as a "binder" rather than a

preservative.

Cats systems are so "finely balanced" that I don't like to introduce much of

the "sweetness" that glycerin contributes.

So, with cats, I use very little glycerin, refrigerate and watch the shelf

life closely.



BTW..don't know if this is the book that Cindy was referring to, but I find

Herbs For Pets (Bowtie Press) by Mary Wulff-Tilford to be an excellent

source.



Julie



> Wouldn't the glycerin preserve it almost as well as the alcohol? I'd think

> that if you added glycerin to it, there shouldn't be any problem with mold

> or bacteria.

>

> Kerry



From macphee.net1plus.com Mon Sep 30 01:18:12 2002

To: <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [Herb] So yesterday, I made a flu thingy./garlic works

From: "Joanie" <macphee.net1plus.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:18:12 -0400



sounds good, Henriette...

and sounds like what I used to do when I was prone to flues.



and last weekend, my 15 yo son.....who was pretty wiped out with his annual

chest cold with cough, lassitude and malaise from being back in the public

schools and all that they carry......entered and won (well actually, 3 guys

tied in first place when they ran out of cloves of garlic) after he chewed

up and swallowed 40 cloves of garlic at the Orange Garlic and Arts festival

here in the town of that name in Massachusetts.



It did knock out that cold though he took perhaps 24 hours to show no

symptoms.  He described the experience of eating all that garlic (while I,

blissfully unaware, was running the nature club tables activities) as being

one of being somewhat out of body.  His face was flushed, his belly felt a

bit queasy, but a half hour later he was feeling fine again.

As prize, he chose the T-shirt..the Broadway and Exposition tix went to the

other guys.  The Massachusetts Green Party candidate for governor and her

staff got him talking at that point and got him to sign up as local

co-ordinator.  I assume he was back in his body and mind by then, but am not

sure.



Joanie



> It's:

> 1 large clove of garlic, sliced thinly

> 1 tablespoon honey

> 1 tablespoon lemon juice

> mix in the bottom of a cup, add boiling water, drink.



From keithhubb.yahoo.com Mon Sep 30 19:05:40 2002

To: Herb email list <herb.lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: [Herb] Kava Kava- Piper methysticum

From: keith hubbard <keithhubb.yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:05:40 -0700 (PDT)



Hi Folks,

Has anyone out there heard any more fussing about Kava

Kava (Piper methysticum) (liver damage). Maybe you

could please direct me to a good source of information

about the subject.



Thanks,

Keith Hubbard C.H.



